0:00:00this episode of Roderick on the line is
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0:00:04month they ask Seth boyer to help me say
0:00:07hi to john john do
0:00:17[Music]
0:00:22hello hi John how's it going good how
0:00:26are you going I'm going great
0:00:29I'm always checking my audio levels and
0:00:31delivering packets we're good man
0:00:34delivering packets power GTI Woody's app
0:00:39you sound like you're really awake
0:00:41well you know Merlin what I've been
0:00:42doing I been looking at my facebook know
0:00:46how's that going it's pretty mixed bag i
0:00:51gotta say anything lot of kids uh you
0:00:55know that's funny because I I understand
0:00:57the appeal right I I every time i go on
0:00:59facebook which is to say once a week I
0:01:03see lots of fascinating links to very
0:01:07interesting articles some of them
0:01:09genuinely interesting and I and I go
0:01:13down the facebook hole and I get in
0:01:15there and see things and and I answer
0:01:20all the facebook messages that I get
0:01:23from people that probably could have
0:01:26just emailed me
0:01:27yeah and I accept the 15 friend requests
0:01:31that have piled up since I was there
0:01:33last and then I go ahead and shut it all
0:01:37down to the light south and and I get it
0:01:42I get why it's there i get i get a lot
0:01:45of I get it I get it but I i'm not i'm
0:01:47not a hater
0:01:48hmm but uh but it's against or not it's
0:01:52not it's not where I live
0:01:54you don't see people just be happy with
0:01:55their stuff yeah that's right I'm a guy
0:01:58who likes other people to just be happy
0:02:00with their stuff
0:02:01Hakuna Matata never guess the namaste
0:02:04joke around
0:02:05mm-hmm
0:02:08did you ever seen yourself 20 years ago
0:02:10not only having something in your life
0:02:13called friend request but that's
0:02:15something that you just have to deal
0:02:16with on a regular basis i think i did I
0:02:19think haha i think i knew that was
0:02:22coming it either thing that I periods me
0:02:27is people who don't put pictures of
0:02:29themselves in their stuff em you know
0:02:33like like me I guess I was like a
0:02:35profile picture
0:02:36no i think i think it I think what it is
0:02:38is that an Instagram is like this and
0:02:41facebook to like there are people who
0:02:44are who are genuinely working as
0:02:49photographers who use those things to
0:02:51showcase some of their photography and i
0:02:55don't know i don't mean just
0:02:56professionally but like there this is
0:02:58their their sandbox where they're at the
0:03:00platform is that where they play around
0:03:02there taking pictures of other things
0:03:04but then there are just a lot of people
0:03:07who are on there and i don't mean taking
0:03:09pictures of their food but like doing
0:03:11our part see pictures of their plants
0:03:13and pictures of their dog and empty park
0:03:16benches
0:03:17yeah this type of thing and after a
0:03:20while a ana and I approve all that but
0:03:24every you know every 15 to 20 pictures
0:03:27the other post one of yourself
0:03:29mmm got to take a selfie and put it on
0:03:32there baby maybe you should have to
0:03:33maybe it should be in the terms and
0:03:36conditions like network we got to know
0:03:38that you're here you know
0:03:40yeah well i also like all of these
0:03:42things are meant are ultimately meant as
0:03:45as personal profiles right know who is
0:03:51going to go on because because I mean if
0:03:53you if all you think of if the only
0:03:56people following your Instagram account
0:03:58are your friends and they are you know
0:04:02looking at pictures of of plants that
0:04:05you took
0:04:07I don't I don't understand why you're
0:04:09there right the whole premise is that a
0:04:12stranger is going to be interested in a
0:04:15post that you posted that got forwarded
0:04:17somewhere else and follow it back to
0:04:19there and then start following you
0:04:21somebody that you don't know that's why
0:04:23any of us have more than 15 followers
0:04:25and so when that person then follows you
0:04:29and is interested in your views and
0:04:31interested in your the look of what you
0:04:34interested in your aesthetic then that
0:04:36person legitimately and understandably
0:04:39becomes interested in you and then they
0:04:42want to see a freaking picture of you
0:04:43huh
0:04:45and so right that that's there are there
0:04:47are relatively few there are pictures
0:04:49who take not but photos of oneself and
0:04:52then there are people who very rarely
0:04:55photographed themselves and i have to
0:04:57say it there seems to be a concomitant
0:05:01with getting older like maybe you don't
0:05:03want your meat out there five times a
0:05:04day
0:05:05yeah but that's the thing of just like
0:05:06get you know get over your meat beard
0:05:08it's you gotta gotta put it there even a
0:05:11good shape face level because we're
0:05:13looking at each other
0:05:14its the hole i mean its social
0:05:16networking we are looking at each other
0:05:18and all the time i'll i'll see some
0:05:20interesting thread i'll go there I'll be
0:05:22like oh I like these pictures
0:05:24oh that's cool that's cool and then when
0:05:26i get to like picture 50 and I've seen
0:05:30no-selfie I'm like oh wait a minute do
0:05:36you really think that your pictures
0:05:37fucking matter I mean do you really
0:05:39think that were scared to see pictures
0:05:41of flowers and whatever else telling me
0:05:42it's a kind of performance and part of
0:05:45that performance has got to be even if
0:05:47it's just like a picture of you
0:05:48reflected in the in the window of a shop
0:05:52that you're taking a picture of like a
0:05:54little something a little sign that you
0:05:55are that you are here with us here with
0:05:59the residence
0:06:00let's see what i notice I'm not on
0:06:04instagram i'm not on facebook but I do
0:06:06take pictures and when I look over
0:06:09well first of all obviously because of
0:06:11having a phone with a camera I do a lot
0:06:14of take pictures of funny signs just
0:06:16because I thought it was funny i don't
0:06:17always post you do that you do that yes
0:06:19we about
0:06:20you know I there's a lot of don't post
0:06:21on the curator Tara very editorial as
0:06:24they say you but you know what you know
0:06:26what I wish we had more of like I i
0:06:28think we have and I've taken a fair
0:06:31number of pictures of my kid at first
0:06:35I'll just say it we do not have that
0:06:37many pictures of our family together we
0:06:40take pictures of the kid we take
0:06:43pictures of the kid and one of us but we
0:06:45don't also my wife's not a big fan of
0:06:47being photographed nor my daughter but
0:06:49it's but it's funny because like I look
0:06:52at family photos from my childhood and
0:06:55there's a lot of photos of the family
0:06:56posed pictures where we all took a photo
0:06:58together and we don't I don't flick this
0:07:01maybe it's just me but I think there's
0:07:02not as much of that as there used to be
0:07:04especially given the raw tonnage of
0:07:06photos that are being taken
0:07:08yeah you have many of those of the
0:07:09family unit well we make it we make a
0:07:12point you know to a every once in awhile
0:07:17and I mean we did it we did it just
0:07:19yesterday we were all together on a
0:07:21ferry boat and we were taking pictures
0:07:23of the waves and taking pictures of the
0:07:26birds and taking pictures of the baby
0:07:27looking at the waves and the birds take
0:07:29pictures of the misspelling tell you
0:07:31that's right taking pictures of the
0:07:33hilarious sign on the men's room door up
0:07:35an appetite and then it was like oh wait
0:07:37a minute let's stop and take a picture
0:07:39of ourselves together and we did it
0:07:41selfie style but here we all are and and
0:07:45and the reason that we do it is because
0:07:47when you look back at the pictures from
0:07:49three years ago all those like men's
0:07:53room door and bird pictures are made a
0:07:58hundred times more interesting if
0:08:00there's a picture of you in there to
0:08:03locate the time and place and show the
0:08:07show the gray and your beard and show
0:08:09how much the baby's grown and etc etc
0:08:11right like like if you if you if you're
0:08:14not if you're not marking time with the
0:08:17one thing that we actually care about
0:08:19which is our ourselves our lives right
0:08:23and here it is buried in his very is
0:08:26very different cause like I again east
0:08:28cost money to take pictures right you
0:08:30gotta buy the film you got to get
0:08:31processed you couldn't just take
0:08:32pictures of everything
0:08:33unless your kid got the camera went
0:08:34crazy or something but yeah there's such
0:08:37a huge shift
0:08:39I mean think about now I mean like on
0:08:41the one hand the stuff people post is
0:08:43more about like what I'm seeing you
0:08:45think about you know I mean like for the
0:08:47guns people on tumblr is the closest
0:08:49thing I have to Instagram and it's a lot
0:08:50of you know stuff like funny signs or
0:08:52here's my food or whatever but you know
0:08:54it's it's a way of saying is a the shot
0:08:57that you chose the thing that's in it
0:08:59how you shot it its kind of made to be
0:09:01posted and it's made to be uh this is
0:09:05what it's like to be me in some ways yes
0:09:07exactly that's exactly right and and the
0:09:10idea the idea that that a selfie is like
0:09:14egotistical is so hilarious to me
0:09:18because really it's the idea that
0:09:20anybody gives a fuck about your pictures
0:09:21at all thats egotistical like your
0:09:24picture of a bird or flower manhole
0:09:26cover is something that we should
0:09:27celebrate because because you framed it
0:09:30in in your phone like no we the only
0:09:35thing that's interesting about us is
0:09:36that we are alive and alive for a short
0:09:38time right and if we were if we all live
0:09:41forever
0:09:42none of this would be interesting no one
0:09:44would take a picture of a single fucking
0:09:46thing because it would be like yeah
0:09:48right yeah right like I saw it right
0:09:51trees grow trees live and die and we are
0:09:55still here so uh I don't need to see a
0:09:58picture of the past they think yeah yeah
0:10:02I think that's interesting about the
0:10:03past is that is that we are that we are
0:10:06finite but but you know the other thing
0:10:08is think about like how different that
0:10:09is even the photos that i would take
0:10:11with my old crummy camera like our show
0:10:12art with the old crome camera on my old
0:10:15crummy phone like you think about like
0:10:17what's changed and now like it doesn't
0:10:20cost anything except for the space on
0:10:22your phone to take a photo so it's it's
0:10:25it's economical to the point of almost
0:10:27being free other big difference we get
0:10:31to see how it turned out and maybe take
0:10:3515 photos of the same thing but also
0:10:37kind of long lines of our last episode
0:10:40where we talked about you know what what
0:10:42you post what people say about it
0:10:43I'm kind of meticulous about what I
0:10:45leave out of photos now way more than I
0:10:47to be where I'm much less likely just
0:10:49because I even if i'm not planning to
0:10:50post there's still some part of me
0:10:51that's like oh I don't want that mess in
0:10:53the photo right there or I don't know
0:10:55what I mean there's dirt on this table
0:10:57I never would have thought of that when
0:10:58I was a kid I still not great so my
0:11:00favorite photos a photo of my parents my
0:11:02dad smoking a cigarette of course my mom
0:11:05smoking a cigarette of course and she's
0:11:07just walked up to him at the table and
0:11:08they've done something playful and now
0:11:10she's giving him a hug and that's
0:11:13awesome i will treasure that photo but
0:11:14also it's just all the shit in the
0:11:17background that's awesome
0:11:18yes like it's a kitchen in a house where
0:11:21people live there is an old-school coke
0:11:23can from the nineteen seventies that
0:11:25just looks awesome
0:11:26yes in you know it's got that all that
0:11:28kind of ugly shit that every family had
0:11:30in their house dumb dishes you know
0:11:32unclean kitchen and it's it's delightful
0:11:35and I i would be i have to say a little
0:11:38bit reluctant to take that photo today i
0:11:41am only partly conference about why that
0:11:43is
0:11:44do you feel such things do you do you
0:11:46think about a lot about something you're
0:11:48more freewheeling about what your
0:11:49photograph
0:11:50no I mean I I'm very I'm very aware of
0:11:55the frame but i always try to include
0:11:57something in the frame that that adds
0:12:03that context that you're saying you know
0:12:05a like a car or a all the stuff that you
0:12:10think of as as like garbage extraneous
0:12:13beverage ephemera but that is really the
0:12:17thing that 15 years from now you're
0:12:19gonna look back and go oh my god I
0:12:20remember that car
0:12:22yeah I'm grandparents house there's a
0:12:24picture of their they're ugly AMC in in
0:12:28the in the driveway which is fun to see
0:12:31that you have the old AMC by my
0:12:32grandfather had an AMC dealership and
0:12:34national AMC dealership with end
0:12:36yeah are you kidding me no no I'm pretty
0:12:39sure your grandfather had a national or
0:12:42punitive worked at it but we were we
0:12:43were automobile people at one point I
0:12:45did not know that after all this time to
0:12:47discover something that interesting
0:12:50well there you go this is 1am cement
0:12:52something move yeah but what's great
0:12:54about the photo is the stuff that was
0:12:56not meant to be in the photo which is I
0:12:58go oh look at that
0:12:59I see grandma's rose garden you can see
0:13:02it must be well i think most CEOs
0:13:04holidays holidays my grandfather would
0:13:06always put the flag out and seeing their
0:13:09front porch and how it was arranged at
0:13:10that time that's like that all that
0:13:12stuff is all like that's the best part
0:13:14of it that's what makes the photo so
0:13:15great you know well and yeah so I so I
0:13:20feel I feel like I mean I have a lot of
0:13:22I have a lot of friends that post a lot
0:13:24of pictures that fall into the you know
0:13:27think the coffee table book category
0:13:29right where we're like 20 years ago they
0:13:33went into a Barnes & Noble and found at
0:13:35ashen published book on on fire hydrants
0:13:41in America someday i will take photos of
0:13:43birds on wires yeah and then they
0:13:46they're out with their camera and
0:13:48they're like I want to do this I want to
0:13:49do something like this and they develop
0:13:50a theme like I'm the person that takes
0:13:52pictures of a you know manhole covers or
0:13:56whatever and and I have a friend who has
0:13:58a boo-boo as a blog called Street seats
0:14:02and all she does is take pictures of
0:14:05chairs that people have left on the side
0:14:07of the road and it's wonderful because
0:14:11the chairs are very evocative and it's a
0:14:13variance of you know the limitations i
0:14:16contribute to one there's nothing but
0:14:17mattresses mattresses history inspired
0:14:21by my friend John Gruber who every time
0:14:23he sees when he says this kid will take
0:14:24a nap when I get a but but ultimately
0:14:29like uh ultimately you know you want
0:14:33some of the character of the curator in
0:14:36there that's that's and I think more and
0:14:39more now the idea of like that
0:14:45journalists are invisible and that
0:14:48though that they're writing in in the
0:14:51omniscient and if and dispassionate
0:14:53voice and that curators are invisible
0:14:56and the work speaks for itself and all
0:14:59this i feel that is less and less
0:15:01convincing now and that there never was
0:15:04a 0 there ever was a journalistic voice
0:15:07that was you know that was completely
0:15:09objective
0:15:10and to continue to pretend is a and
0:15:16maybe doing a disservice that there is a
0:15:18way to be to strive for objectivity but
0:15:22have a subjective voice at the same time
0:15:24and that is you know that is that that
0:15:29the voice can be personal but the
0:15:33thoughts are still owe still striving to
0:15:37be a as objective as possible and you
0:15:41can have because there are tons of it
0:15:42tons of examples of people where the
0:15:44voice is very objective but the thoughts
0:15:48are incredibly subjective anytime you
0:15:51read The Wall Street Journal you see
0:15:53like the the objective voice masks what
0:15:58is ultimately a very pointed worldview
0:16:01right and that's the that's the failure
0:16:04of the of the objective journalist I
0:16:08mean that the most basic level the most
0:16:10rain bring that obvious thing that's
0:16:12always worth mentioning is that what you
0:16:14choose to cover is a voice exactly like
0:16:17what you pick as the top story how you
0:16:19write the lead or the headline or
0:16:21what-have-you like all those all of
0:16:23those things are a kind of voice but
0:16:25doesn't you know even with that there's
0:16:27no way you can disappear from that right
0:16:29and so let's let's stop pretending and
0:16:32make the make the personal voice just
0:16:36acknowledge it and say like hi I'm I'm
0:16:39the reporter i am writing this article
0:16:40and here's why this interest me and then
0:16:43strive for some objectivity in your
0:16:46thoughts and that what that involves is
0:16:48like openly visibly questioning your own
0:16:51assumptions in the thing that you write
0:16:53and I feel like that's true in
0:16:55photojournalism to and in just the fun
0:16:58sort of a pseudo photojournalism that
0:17:01were all practicing now it's like wire
0:17:04you know like who are you why are not
0:17:07only where are you taking these pictures
0:17:08but like who are you
0:17:10well this is where i put a little on
0:17:12buck at how I think it's I love that hat
0:17:15that's a great hat loves pro-wrestling
0:17:17your bark at the bar that um and
0:17:21I invoice really douchey but I'm you
0:17:24know I think it depends on who you think
0:17:26about as your audience because it's
0:17:28almost like the way you do a certain
0:17:30kind of line reading of exactly the same
0:17:32same line you know you can think about a
0:17:35word like that a word that I love a word
0:17:36like Hello like how you say hello could
0:17:39be very funny or very serious or very
0:17:41grave or invoke something so when I go I
0:17:44know my family knows i'm making a joke
0:17:46about Project Runway that Project Runway
0:17:49joke you know what I say
0:17:51haha that's a different kind of hello
0:17:53hello hello
0:17:54that's a different kind of hello right
0:17:56it's all the same number no I don't want
0:17:58any of these fellows from you
0:17:59hello no thank you and then all the
0:18:02other contestants respond so I that but
0:18:06I guess what I think of like yes way I
0:18:08think most people are doing its thing I
0:18:10like what I see and it's not my opinion
0:18:13it's my sensibility I think people like
0:18:16showing other people with their
0:18:17sensibility is some people like a you
0:18:19know CSC this is a number so great for
0:18:21summer so terrible for lots of things I
0:18:24think it's great that is following
0:18:25obsessives so or finding people who
0:18:27curate strange kind of obsessions like
0:18:29four jet for example you ever seen a
0:18:31rich kids on instagram i get forwarded
0:18:34that all the time it's really it's
0:18:37really funny
0:18:38it's super funny and I get forwarded it
0:18:41at in reply to my contention that no one
0:18:45has it easy because I make that
0:18:48contention periodically but no idea
0:18:49exactly proves that person doesn't have
0:18:51it easy and as they have a helicopter
0:18:53and 17 watches and they're still unhappy
0:18:56and have to show it to you before they
0:18:58feel anything
0:18:59yeah I that is that's it's self-evident
0:19:01that's my reply to when people are like
0:19:03no one has it easy what about this and
0:19:05they send me some pictures of a kid in a
0:19:06in a Learjet with the what
0:19:0820 watchers and I'm like do you not see
0:19:10that this is a very unhappy person you
0:19:13know so many people refuse to accept the
0:19:15even assholes are unhappy so unhappy
0:19:17that's why they're assholes I mean that
0:19:20it doesn't hurt
0:19:21present company excepted of course
0:19:23but-but-but alive buddy in the cat Casey
0:19:26I'm not going with this but like you
0:19:28know here's the thing
0:19:29there are topics and there's a reason
0:19:30i'm not on Instagram there's a variety
0:19:32of there are thousands of reasons I'm
0:19:34not
0:19:34instagram I mean least of which is I
0:19:36don't want to feel compelled to have to
0:19:38have my sensibility on instagram i think
0:19:40the app is weird i think the whole
0:19:41environment is strange but you know a
0:19:42big part of it is voices hopefully the
0:19:44ugliest thing i'll say this month now I
0:19:46don't need to see anymore latte art I'm
0:19:48good like a desert with one bite out of
0:19:51it I get it
0:19:53that's really really cool when I hope
0:19:55that is the ugliest thing you say this
0:19:56month i really do for you and we're
0:19:59thinking about the black eye
0:20:03I agree and I don't you know I i went
0:20:05onto Instagram instead of going on to
0:20:06something else and now I you know I'm
0:20:09here trapped there and like I said the
0:20:11other day like there really are only
0:20:12five places I go on the internet and
0:20:15embarrasses me every time I pick up my
0:20:17phone every time I pick up jonathan
0:20:18coulton phone and scroll through four
0:20:21hundred apps
0:20:24I'm like there and 13 pages on my iphone
0:20:26I'm like what am I doing with my life I
0:20:28don't have any of these amazing apps
0:20:30yeah and I think I when I stare at the
0:20:33internet and I think like I should go
0:20:35I should go on the internet more and
0:20:38have more places where I go and do
0:20:40activities but i think i do see the
0:20:44internet quite a bit I think I follow
0:20:46I'm a link follower I you know I hyper a
0:20:49hyperlink em from one link to another at
0:20:53hyper speed is the ax HTML for that IQs
0:20:57XHTML hello which is valid and I go I
0:21:02link around and I zip and zap and I see
0:21:04like 15 celebrities who married a cousin
0:21:07and I see you know you don't give you
0:21:10followed us because you might be
0:21:12interested in ones that take you to zerg
0:21:14net minder to blur get paid dot out
0:21:17brave dot uh are you deserve that's my
0:21:20favorite because you click i don't know
0:21:22talking something about this the other
0:21:23day we both like I don't know why
0:21:25fucking click on this it was I don't
0:21:28usually do this hardly ever but is it
0:21:31was like something like 17 gay
0:21:34celebrities who played straight people
0:21:36it's like Nathan Lane but what I
0:21:38literally Nathan Lane is gay
0:21:40holy shit i can't believe it i'm so glad
0:21:43i click on this when you go to this
0:21:45internet page get on the landing page
0:21:46and you don't even see the article you
0:21:48see a page of list of articles where
0:21:50yours is the the top-left pic but i
0:21:52think it's it's yeah it's it's it's
0:21:55listicles all the way down
0:21:56well I you know I got bullied not
0:21:59bullied that's that's sorry trigger
0:22:02alerts I got uh I was encouraged by my
0:22:07social network in real life my for my
0:22:10words i'm so fucking sick of war might
0:22:13be meatspace social network of actual
0:22:17meat meat people maybe meet singles that
0:22:20unit up in circles that I know that were
0:22:22like listen they said to me the
0:22:24beginning of the this this football
0:22:26season they were like listen we want you
0:22:27to come and watch football with us every
0:22:29Sunday but you can't just come and sit
0:22:33in the back and eat the food and
0:22:35everyone so I'll yell sports and spill
0:22:37your non-alcoholic beer right we want
0:22:40you to sit in the cassette on the couch
0:22:41get engaged in the game be part of the
0:22:43be part of the action
0:22:45obviously it was a kind of a second
0:22:47chance or last chance like okay you
0:22:48really want you here but that we get you
0:22:50gotta play by the rules
0:22:51I mean I go I go to lots of sports
0:22:53events and I have a very good time at
0:22:55the move and I'll and I enjoy my friends
0:22:57that like sports and so this was like
0:23:00hey we are friends and this is what we
0:23:02like to do and we're inviting you into
0:23:04our that but it's their world it's
0:23:06that's right there like this is our
0:23:08Colts were inviting you to church on
0:23:10Sunday you don't sit-in up in the pew at
0:23:13the back of the church and make fart
0:23:15sounds people come to church with us not
0:23:18pirates
0:23:19you don't have to you don't have to take
0:23:21communion you don't have to go up and
0:23:23and and and do a confession but if
0:23:27you're gonna come to church with us you
0:23:28know coming like sing the hymns and be a
0:23:30part of the scene so I was like okay I
0:23:33do want to do that and I went and I got
0:23:34in and we got involved watching the
0:23:36seahawks and and mostly watching my
0:23:39friends get very emotional emotional
0:23:41about it about a sports event
0:23:44and I was you know I've been watching
0:23:47that my whole life because my dad would
0:23:48get very emotional about sports events
0:23:50and I don't have a comment about it one
0:23:53way or the other I'm not critiquing at
0:23:55all I'm just observing it and saying
0:23:56like here we are and we are very upset
0:23:59right now I am upset on behalf of
0:24:01everyone about the way that that last
0:24:04play was that play was handled and I
0:24:06feel like that running back should have
0:24:09done a different thing
0:24:10uh-huh and gotten I'm upset about it not
0:24:13mad and so watching the seahawks I'm I'm
0:24:18invested in them and I like them and I
0:24:20think Richard Sherman is smart and
0:24:22interesting and I think Marshawn Lynch
0:24:24is very interesting i'm gonna be like
0:24:27just got out got a lot of hard ison feel
0:24:29like he's a very interesting person I
0:24:31think he does have quite a bit of heart
0:24:33and the coach pete carroll what a kook
0:24:38he's really enough and I do feel like
0:24:40he's had a big effect on the team and so
0:24:42forth and so on and then I watched that
0:24:44last game the NFC playoff game that
0:24:48everybody's yelling about
0:24:50ok and it was so extraordinary to be
0:24:53behind the entire game and to be
0:24:55demonstrable e the lesser of the two
0:24:58teams on the field the other team uh the
0:25:02team from Wisconsin which is named after
0:25:05a meat packing job butchers basically
0:25:09they should have been called the
0:25:09butcher's we're they were doing a
0:25:12fantastic job of playing the football
0:25:14game and the Seahawks were doing a
0:25:17terrible job except for Marshawn Lynch a
0:25:20person i find very fascinating and then
0:25:24in the 11th hour literally the last two
0:25:26minutes of the game they somehow through
0:25:29a combination of moxie and hubris and
0:25:32sports acumen why can't you do this
0:25:36rather get it
0:25:39Rose rose to victory and shocking the
0:25:44nation and shocking anyone who seemed
0:25:46legitimately like old-school fucking
0:25:50blown away by what happened it was
0:25:52astonishing and to watch it in real time
0:25:54particularly to watch it in a room full
0:25:56of die hard for
0:25:58people who for the two hours prior had
0:26:00been pacing around the room throwing
0:26:02their uh you know there are seven layer
0:26:05dip on the floor and saying this game is
0:26:08over we should just turn it off this you
0:26:10know this team had a good run and good
0:26:12for them and well you know what
0:26:14that's just how the cookie crumbles and
0:26:16you know they were they were actually
0:26:18speaking that way about it to each other
0:26:20and and hilariously I was the one
0:26:24sitting calmly on the couch saying you
0:26:27know the seahawks always rally you like
0:26:29the designated optimist I was like this
0:26:31is what did they do this all the time
0:26:33they they're they're behind at the half
0:26:35and then they they have some miracle and
0:26:38people were like not listening to me
0:26:39because I'm not a sports guy they were
0:26:41they were ignoring me they were talking
0:26:43over the top of me and I was like listen
0:26:45you know marshawn's having a hell of a
0:26:46game and I feel like I feel like there's
0:26:49still a lot of game left to play
0:26:50still two minutes on the clock I mean
0:26:52and they were they were ready to turn
0:26:54the game off right and then watching the
0:26:57team come back and seeing the
0:26:59transformation seeing new life
0:27:02breathes into these people not just in
0:27:05the moment but like they're year looks
0:27:09different there wherever they are right
0:27:11now these friends of mine they are
0:27:12walking around feeling differently than
0:27:15they would have felt have they lost that
0:27:17football game like how are you are you
0:27:20kind of have you sort of arrived now and
0:27:23their eyes today dig a little more
0:27:24credit you think the only as good as
0:27:26your last game but that's pretty good
0:27:27one
0:27:27they don't care at one point at one
0:27:29point that we were we were completely
0:27:31behind we had no points and I said you
0:27:36know what
0:27:37because where there's a big buffet cover
0:27:39with food and I said you know what no
0:27:42one's even one of those blue cupcakes
0:27:43yet and even though I'm ostensibly
0:27:47gluten-free I'm gonna go eat one of
0:27:49those blue cupcakes to rally this team
0:27:51because it's this is the kind of sports
0:27:53thinking that happens right like yeah
0:27:56it's like rally cap
0:27:57yeah exactly you're not wearing the
0:27:59shoes that you were the last game what
0:28:00are you are you trying to jinx us and I
0:28:02was like I'm gonna go eat a blue cupcake
0:28:03and I when I grabbed a blue cupcake i
0:28:05sat down took a bite out of it
0:28:07it was a terrible blue cupcake and
0:28:10immediately the seahawks scored their
0:28:12first touchdown on a completely nutty a
0:28:15like fake outplay and everybody in the
0:28:19room turned at me and stared at me like
0:28:20I had just conjured as a wizard like I
0:28:23had just conjured a fox
0:28:25haha we were suddenly there was a live
0:28:30fox it looking for a nexus and i'm just
0:28:34sitting there with the smug blue
0:28:36frosting smile on like what did I tell
0:28:38you
0:28:38and so for the for the next 45 minutes
0:28:40every time anything good happened on the
0:28:42team
0:28:43I you know half the people in the room
0:28:45with turning-point me and go
0:28:46it's the cupcake and so I can play I can
0:28:50play this I can play the cupcake but in
0:28:52fact we're at the end when the Seahawks
0:28:54won i was given no credit for my sorcery
0:28:56because it was clear that it was that
0:28:59they had appeal to a higher level which
0:29:00is to say Jesus who cared about the game
0:29:04to say there's no cupcaking team but
0:29:07what's happened to me is that that
0:29:10transformation on the field was so
0:29:12extraordinary that I actually two days
0:29:16later was sitting uh you know in my room
0:29:21staring at the wall as I normally do and
0:29:24a voice in my head said I'd kind of like
0:29:28to read something about the seahawks
0:29:32right now and i went and i read an
0:29:36account of the game
0:29:37written by a sports writer and I found
0:29:39it very pleasurable because i saw that
0:29:41game and i wasn't i was involved in it
0:29:43now i'm reading his thoughts on it which
0:29:45comport with mine and then i read a lot
0:29:48of people in the comments and the people
0:29:52who are against the seahawks said bad
0:29:54things and the people who are in favor
0:29:56of the seahawks said haha
0:29:58suck it to the to the angry people and
0:30:02and that comported with my feelings and
0:30:04so now having had that experience where
0:30:08I got a gratification from reading a
0:30:11sports article then I was like what the
0:30:14next day I said
0:30:16well let's try that again and I when I
0:30:19read another sports article i also
0:30:23enjoyed it and then the third day I read
0:30:26a Sports article prognosticating about
0:30:28the future of the upcoming game and that
0:30:31go well it's you know it's harder to
0:30:36know because it hasn't happened yet
0:30:37that's true so this guy's talking about
0:30:39sports events that haven't happened and
0:30:42I had a harder time
0:30:43um you know feeling confident I'm with
0:30:48that one now more than ever now you've
0:30:51your third gateway here now you have to
0:30:53start forming an opinion of your own
0:30:55yeah right now are apart from what you
0:30:57came into it with I have to because I
0:30:59can sit there and read this article and
0:31:00say like well Marshawn Lynch sure does
0:31:02make a lot of plays and that's true
0:31:06Richard Sherman is injured so that
0:31:08affects things but the Patriots a Tom
0:31:15Brady he's a real he makes some
0:31:17completions mhm and now I don't know now
0:31:22I don't know what to think
0:31:23I also now all i can do is say well I'm
0:31:26rooting for them to do anything now
0:31:28they're going to the Super Bowl right
0:31:30we're going to the Super Bowl now are
0:31:31you invited to that
0:31:32am I invited to this code your time out
0:31:35to the superbowl party 171 I would be
0:31:38except that i will be in on a little
0:31:41thing called the joke cruise on now I'm
0:31:43sorry gonna miss that that man that this
0:31:46could be your this is like your
0:31:48quinceañera of football you know it's
0:31:50not a shame but here's the thing about
0:31:52about footballs is that i'm pretty sure
0:31:57that on the day of the superbowl we will
0:32:02be able to watch it anywhere in the
0:32:05Western Hemisphere yeah pollen stormy
0:32:08man all the usual suspects all sitting
0:32:10in the sitting in the cabinet spot a man
0:32:12sad TT should watch with me but I do
0:32:15that in a heartbeat
0:32:15yeah it's a man is a hard person to know
0:32:17whether she is like we're whatever she
0:32:20decides that football is our secret
0:32:22passion or she's deeply passionate about
0:32:24it or whether she would blow it off
0:32:26because amy has that has strange passion
0:32:28right like some things that you would
0:32:31owe you know what she's very into boxing
0:32:33know any man is sweet science and heavy
0:32:37man follows boxing religiously and is
0:32:40very passionate about it I i would not
0:32:43have guessed that so and in fact wrote
0:32:45an album about boxing
0:32:48it's called the boxing no it's not it's
0:32:52called something else the heavyweight
0:32:54champion
0:32:55it's called sugar ray leonard I'm just
0:32:57saying what
0:32:59um so and this is the other thing about
0:33:01sports you don't realize like who the
0:33:03secret that there are all kinds of
0:33:05people walking around in hard hats
0:33:07painted in their team colors with two
0:33:09beers attached to the Hat
0:33:11uh-huh straws that you know like that
0:33:13guy's a sports fan
0:33:15ok but then there are all these people
0:33:16like George will or a crazy with the
0:33:20baseball right I crazy about baseball or
0:33:22milk george bundy or Bundy mcgeorge
0:33:25driver that's right sergeant pepper and
0:33:29that turns out they're all into sports
0:33:31and you know well sports right okay this
0:33:35is a thing that you can this is you know
0:33:37and i'm now reading these sports
0:33:38articles which are actually pretty well
0:33:40written
0:33:41they're not just guys are typing in all
0:33:43caps
0:33:44yell yell yell they're talking about
0:33:47sports as though it's in a way
0:33:50Merlin it's like um it's like people
0:33:53that write history about war i know
0:33:55there's that they I've heard this said
0:33:57for many years that well now I'm
0:34:00thinking that Kurt Vonnegut quote where
0:34:01he says all the best writers at Cornell
0:34:03era in the science program but I think
0:34:05it's pretty well understood that some of
0:34:06the most lively American writing of the
0:34:0820th century was writing about sports
0:34:09people i really admire writing an
0:34:11accident it's not just not just honest
0:34:13Thompson but lots of people uh you know
0:34:16actually legitimately writing about
0:34:18sports
0:34:19good writing legitimate writing about
0:34:21sports legitimate writing i'm rarely
0:34:23surprised to find out somebody like
0:34:25sports
0:34:26just because that's to me that's you
0:34:29know it's like are probably says not
0:34:31like the Beatles that's like not like an
0:34:32air you know it's like I'm just so used
0:34:35to everybody being into some kind of a
0:34:37sport in some league at some level right
0:34:40we even if thats mean they're alive a
0:34:42lot
0:34:42and who are really into soccer or like a
0:34:45premier league soccer or even if that's
0:34:47what I just don't understand it
0:34:48I don't know like I could see that but i
0:34:51know a lot of people i admire our into
0:34:53soccer but I've been watching soccer
0:34:55games my entire life and I just feel
0:34:56like it's not this is not a bisque the
0:34:59pace of this game is not one you know I
0:35:01was raised different you know different
0:35:03things like we watched the technology to
0:35:05local sports ball team here was in the
0:35:07the the baseball series this year we
0:35:09watch that it was pretty fun it was
0:35:11pretty fun I mean it was you know some
0:35:13good games and stuff and it's not it's
0:35:14fun you know I got a kid you know I hate
0:35:17basketball and that makes me very
0:35:20unpopular with is it about basketball
0:35:23well it's that it's that it just goes
0:35:26back and forth back and forth back and
0:35:27forth and you just you know both teams
0:35:29score honored points and then the whole
0:35:30game is decided in the last three
0:35:32minutes by like who scored the last two
0:35:34points is gonna quit it quit it is a
0:35:37very frustrating game
0:35:38it feels like basketball game should be
0:35:39three minutes long and they should just
0:35:41you know like first-team 24 points wins
0:35:43can't hear that understand about college
0:35:45is you can make you can make points by
0:35:48throwing the ball through the hoop
0:35:49things you got all these guys running
0:35:51around but then there's two interesting
0:35:53things to know but don't you have to be
0:35:54on a broom
0:35:55that's right and as i understand it now
0:35:58see I've been very I'm only gonna say
0:35:59this to you because i don't actually
0:36:00want to have this argument with somebody
0:36:01in the harry potter community
0:36:02ok but here's the thing as I understand
0:36:04quidditch there's two interesting rules
0:36:06about quidditch to make every other rule
0:36:08pointless
0:36:09ok first rule of Quidditch is that there
0:36:11isn't there are quit yeah you do not
0:36:14talk quits clock okay right now one down
0:36:18and is that you got the role that the
0:36:21harry has Al which is your the things
0:36:23called the seeker and the secret goes
0:36:25after this magical thing called the the
0:36:27Golden Snitch ok and if you get get the
0:36:31Golden Snitch you know how many points
0:36:32to get how many a hundred and fifty a
0:36:36hundred and fifty points to get the
0:36:37golden snake ok that's well that's
0:36:38that's really important rule number one
0:36:40you're ready for important rule number
0:36:41two the game is not over until somebody
0:36:43catches the Golden Snitch
0:36:45alright what are the other ways to score
0:36:47just 10 20 a fucking ball through a hoop
0:36:50like I'm like a MOOC also think about
0:36:52that the games are over to be
0:36:54excited when you get the snitch nothing
0:36:56else matters right so it's just a game
0:36:57of getting the snitch why bother scoring
0:36:59all that the other point here comes the
0:37:02Owls that's the that's the wizard
0:37:04version of email so you're going to get
0:37:07me to get you so into harry potter oh
0:37:08you're gonna get emails from people who
0:37:10are like the whole point of this is the
0:37:12other parts to get the blood but really
0:37:15yes it's a it's like a winner take all
0:37:17situation especially more of a test of
0:37:19character
0:37:20no man i am the worst i'm the worst gets
0:37:23funny you should say this though because
0:37:24we talked about like you no surprise
0:37:26that who likes sports like I was not
0:37:28into comics for 30-some years not
0:37:32against it i made fun of it a little bit
0:37:33but you know haha nerds reading comics
0:37:35and then as you know I got kind of
0:37:37comics couple years ago less SuperDuper
0:37:40into it right now but now I mean you
0:37:42can't swing a dead cat without running
0:37:44into somebody who's a giant comics fan
0:37:46and like so many people that so the
0:37:48island clearly states to contrast this
0:37:50to other people today given that
0:37:52Marvel's going to have you know between
0:37:53Marvel DC I read something an amazing
0:37:57article on Grantland how did we get to
0:37:59talking about marvel vs DC over the next
0:38:03three to four years i believe there's
0:38:04going to be 70 superhero movies coming
0:38:08out so it should be no it's I mean
0:38:10that's too many and literature is
0:38:13surprised to know one that people like
0:38:14comics now and yet when i hear something
0:38:16like oh nothing such person really likes
0:38:18comments more like wow that's kinda cool
0:38:20i wouldn't guess that right but it is
0:38:23kind of the literature of nerdy as
0:38:25another one like it's it's surprising
0:38:27how many people were not just playing
0:38:30D&D but we're super into some aspect of
0:38:33dnd but you know there's not that many
0:38:35shirts for adults about what and I feel
0:38:38like I i saw this i mean i-i can't speak
0:38:41to the comics experience
0:38:44ok I'll bring it back Harry Potter but I
0:38:47i remember and I'm sure you do too but I
0:38:49I it was profoundly true here in Seattle
0:38:53that in 1991-92 and i don't mean to
0:38:56always talk about punk rock
0:38:59but in 1991-92 everybody in seattle was
0:39:03scrambling to reconstruct their personal
0:39:06history in such a way that they had
0:39:08always been punk and that they were they
0:39:11they were the one kid in their high
0:39:13school that got a ton of shit for being
0:39:15talked about curation yeah right i mean
0:39:17but seriously I mean that the kind of
0:39:19manicure history and the and the kind of
0:39:21Stalinist photo editing that might look
0:39:25like that time you were a garbage bag on
0:39:26punk rock day shows that you are punk
0:39:28since you got a working your punk the
0:39:29whole time that's right and and and it
0:39:33involved not it wasn't I don't think all
0:39:36dishonest because there are a lot of
0:39:39people that had had a very you know
0:39:42interesting childhood in the eighties
0:39:44but the selective remembering of events
0:39:48and like you say the one time on
0:39:50Halloween that they put they made a
0:39:51mohawk out of out of shaving cream in
0:39:54their hair that picture became the
0:39:56picture that was that was on their
0:39:58refrigerator and was like yeah man you
0:40:02know back in back in Central Valley
0:40:04California I was one pumpkin my whole
0:40:06school and it was very important to
0:40:09everybody that there that they have
0:40:10their bona fides for their bona fides
0:40:13depending on who you want to ask all in
0:40:18a row because nobody wanted to be
0:40:20because there was one of the things
0:40:21about punk rock is that there was
0:40:23nothing uncool ER than being new to the
0:40:26scene right because that was what up
0:40:28that was what a poser was you didn't
0:40:31want to say like actually I was just a
0:40:33total like normal like preppy nobody and
0:40:36then I decided the punk-rock really
0:40:37meant something to me when it became
0:40:40popular
0:40:41mhm and so it was it was ridiculous and
0:40:44I remember I remember saying at the time
0:40:48like I've been to a lot of places in
0:40:51America I remember exact remember
0:40:53exactly how many punk rockers there were
0:40:55in the united states in 1985 and that it
0:40:58was just to say not that many
0:41:00he's seen probably seen most of the time
0:41:02I saw a lot of them because you know i
0:41:04was i was a young person i was traveling
0:41:07and I those were small scenes
0:41:10and they were you know little readouts
0:41:13against the culture and it is not
0:41:14possible that every single person who in
0:41:172019 92 claimed to have been punk it's
0:41:20not possible that they all were popping
0:41:21sound like our generations version of
0:41:23claiming to be a good stuff right or
0:41:24yeah right there claiming to have been
0:41:26on a tear at d-day or whatever and I
0:41:28feel the same way about Dungeons and
0:41:29Dragons because i did play Dungeons and
0:41:32Dragons but not very much or very well I
0:41:36was very into D&D culture and the
0:41:40concise right there with you i spent
0:41:42much more time drawing Maps anything oh
0:41:44I drew maps and I made dungeons and I
0:41:46and I SAT and dreamt of like how many
0:41:49platinum pieces i could put in the hold
0:41:51of the ship i was building and i will
0:41:54you indeed encumbrance I'm what does
0:41:57encumbrances where you can only carry so
0:41:59much stuff it like it affects your
0:42:00fighting and movement speed if you're
0:42:03carrying when so many pounds of stuff
0:42:05no i did not do that i did not really
0:42:08follow the rules of Dungeons and Dragons
0:42:10at all right but i but I poured over the
0:42:14Lord the Lord in the books and the dice
0:42:16and the figures in the hex paper it's
0:42:18like it was it's so fun loved it i still
0:42:20have my dice I still you know I have the
0:42:24matter in a special place on my mantle I
0:42:27still think about those days and I you
0:42:30know I was profoundly invested in the
0:42:33idea of that magic was real and that you
0:42:36know and that this interesting a sort of
0:42:40cool osh of like medieval culture but
0:42:45they are in an alternate universe and
0:42:48also its kind of futuristic her that
0:42:51that that that is the you know that is
0:42:54the dilithium crystal boot powers all of
0:42:58nerd culture this like troika of
0:43:02influences fantasy are alternate
0:43:04universe possibilities medieval
0:43:07technology but somehow also inexplicably
0:43:12in the future or using futuristic
0:43:14technology to loved it I loved it ate it
0:43:17with a spoon but I can
0:43:19not honestly say to you that I in any
0:43:22real way played D&D you know because I
0:43:27probably played the actual game of D&D
0:43:30with a dungeon master and a campaign
0:43:32probably played it five times
0:43:36I just wasn't interested in another
0:43:38thirteen-year-old kid governing my
0:43:42journey to middle-earth i-i-i handle all
0:43:49of that in my imaginarium but but when I
0:43:52hear about in needham antium with minor
0:43:55bantam but now I'd like I was just at
0:43:57Woodstock right and how long do you
0:43:59think before dungeons and dragons came
0:44:01up with in the you know in the
0:44:03meet-and-greet like within two 2 r2
0:44:07middle parsecs 24 seconds and four
0:44:12section seven so I'm standing back there
0:44:15and now we're all talking about Dungeons
0:44:16and Dragons and I can I because of my
0:44:19own personal integrity i cannot jump in
0:44:21and say I play D&D but I feel people do
0:44:26that and I and I look at them and I go
0:44:28did you really play
0:44:29I mean are you a fake geek girl is that
0:44:31what I'm saying oh boy i did you really
0:44:33play dnd or did you just did you redo
0:44:37noon brush up against DNT and you know
0:44:41enjoy some facet of it but i think it
0:44:44now i don't know i disagree because i
0:44:46think it still counts so that because
0:44:47for me I mean I just cuz i play D&D by
0:44:49that by my definition
0:44:51yeah i mean like but I I mean you were
0:44:53we say play D&D I think the thing there
0:44:55is like how much did you connect with
0:44:58the culture and in that case connecting
0:45:00with culture for me was will big-time to
0:45:02the point where like I practically had
0:45:03scoliosis from carrying these five
0:45:04hardcover books around school with me
0:45:06all the time haha for heavy they are
0:45:09heavy and there's a lot to there's a lot
0:45:13to know
0:45:14yeah I mean you know how many hit points
0:45:16a bugbear has
0:45:1940 i don't know i don't either
0:45:22I'll find out did you send me a link you
0:45:25sent you a link to a photo from my high
0:45:27school yearbook 1983 it's a photo from
0:45:29punk-rock day punk rock day
0:45:32Merlin Mann some-some heavily heavily
0:45:35connected popular girls dressed up in
0:45:37garbage bags
0:45:38oh I have this fantastic picture from my
0:45:42sophomore year halloween of the two like
0:45:46cutest preppy girls wearing black
0:45:49lipstick and um yeah like no man i get
0:45:54that laminated garbage bags hurts a home
0:45:57and you can rock me to sleep tonight I
0:45:59would have been looking at it
0:46:01I've been looking at it for 35 years
0:46:03garbage bag mini skirt but it doesn't
0:46:06make so hot it didn't make those girls
0:46:08punk
0:46:08I don't care yeah oh my god garbage bag
0:46:12mini skirt
0:46:12oh whoa oh my goodness
0:46:16so now this is requiring that I sign in
0:46:18to flickr nevermind important it's just
0:46:20personal side ponytails wearing garbage
0:46:22bags you know well now it's gonna be my
0:46:24time on how come on yahoo now look here
0:46:27on your mother's you're not a fan that
0:46:31says sorry there was an error please
0:46:32sign in again and i will add just like
0:46:35with you to anybody who has access to
0:46:37pictures of girls wearing garbage bags
0:46:39in a cute way I think that would make a
0:46:41great tumblr I'm just gonna toss it out
0:46:42there pictures of like you
0:46:44cucumber fresh from minerals not dead
0:46:48girls that's super-important guys have
0:46:50to be cute perky girls you would not
0:46:51normally expect to our garbage bag
0:46:53wearing a garbage bag in a sweet and
0:46:55winsome way
0:46:56Oh that'd be nice I would watch that
0:46:59play some other ones i like a lot for
0:47:01get back to harry potter how this Yahoo
0:47:04what is yahoo why is it still there
0:47:07I want to see the baby all right i want
0:47:08to say but flicker like 15 years ago I
0:47:10don't want to interact with the I don't
0:47:12started to put it away put it away
0:47:14alright alright uh craigslist mirrors
0:47:18it's a taller nothing but photos of
0:47:21mirrors that people have posted on
0:47:23craigslist and they are endlessly
0:47:25fascinating have you ever been fooled by
0:47:28have you ever gone and looked at an ad
0:47:30in craigslist on you don't know the bay
0:47:33and it's it turns out that it's a guy
0:47:36taking a picture of his uh his Don goal
0:47:38in the reflection of my eye I saw the
0:47:41name is photo of the man in the teapot
0:47:44or whatever it was called the famous one
0:47:46from a very very very long one of the
0:47:47first means i remember was a picture of
0:47:49a sort of a stout man taking a picture
0:47:53of a teapot for ebay and you can clearly
0:47:55see his dingus that I remember you
0:47:58saying this is the thing is just like a
0:47:59sexy thing it isn't thing i have i've
0:48:01actually looked at an ad for a thing and
0:48:04then realized I felt weird i'll come on
0:48:08you think happens like it happens you'll
0:48:10see it saw then saw up in the reflection
0:48:14of a hubcap or something a guy in a in a
0:48:18proposing Jack an appeal i can have been
0:48:22opposing a banana hammock that would
0:48:27that would put me off my beer whoo what
0:48:30they've been out there again you just
0:48:31nailed another one which is it's very
0:48:33difficult to take pictures of some
0:48:34things without having yourself in it and
0:48:36I know that no matter how hard I try
0:48:38what people are gonna notice most is
0:48:40going to examine me in the picture of
0:48:42the thing that I would you know what I
0:48:43mean yeah like I get in realizing that i
0:48:46posted the other night when I posted a
0:48:47picture of the bell getting ready to do
0:48:49our show that my course my reflection is
0:48:52in it and haha o sea ice closed
0:48:55you know I was BSB shirted I where I
0:48:58work clothes all the time so it's not a
0:49:00problem i do I wonder about this because
0:49:02I enjoyed this enjoy selfies but I also
0:49:05and and I think that I am vain but i
0:49:10also have no way I'm the Hanuman I think
0:49:13he just broke my programming
0:49:14I try and unpacked the statement I think
0:49:17I'm vain i think i may my real involved
0:49:20three sets up football i am but about up
0:49:23but i also have a very clear-eyed
0:49:25picture in of like what I actually look
0:49:28like and what we're that where that
0:49:31falls you know like I don't think that I
0:49:34am beautiful
0:49:37I don't know i'm not done you know just
0:49:39selfies like it just before they have
0:49:41named it was just always a picture of a
0:49:44girl taking a picture of herself in the
0:49:47bathroom mirror and like I would you
0:49:49just became like a thing and like the
0:49:51cute girl taking a picture yourself in
0:49:53the bathroom mirror
0:49:53the only thing that made me like those
0:49:55photos much more than today's modern
0:49:57selfies are that yes they were less sort
0:50:00of contrived but also they look at the
0:50:03lens the thing I can't say that thing
0:50:05that drives me nuts i stand somebody's
0:50:07gonna have to explain this to me someday
0:50:08I don't understand why all selfies
0:50:10including celebrity selfies are prayin
0:50:12primarily of somebody chimp and thrown
0:50:14camera while they take a picture
0:50:16what does that mean champion I like when
0:50:18you're looking at the preview of the of
0:50:20the thing when you're looks like instead
0:50:22of taking a picture of yourself looking
0:50:23into the lens
0:50:24oh you're looking at yourself looking at
0:50:25yourself looking at your camera taking a
0:50:28picture of you i can't I don't
0:50:30understand that either but i think the
0:50:31doctor today I think that's maybe that's
0:50:33part of the lure is that they're looking
0:50:35at themselves and can see now we're back
0:50:37to rowland park now whatchu think we're
0:50:38down to sure at this point happy looking
0:50:41at a picture of yourself in a mirror
0:50:43looking at a picture of yourself on your
0:50:45own and you know set up
0:50:47oh yes I think I i think i agree with
0:50:50you i find that hotter summers in the
0:50:56sense in the sense that pearl really
0:50:58looking at me looking at me look at me
0:51:00for the for a long time
0:51:02the only thing i found a erotic about
0:51:05porn movies was that moment in every
0:51:08porn movie where the actress can't help
0:51:11but look at the camera was like yeah
0:51:14there's this there's there's always
0:51:15there's always a moment where she is
0:51:17either saying like are you getting this
0:51:19or just like she just can't she just
0:51:23breaks the fourth wall and that was
0:51:26always the moment that made the kind of
0:51:29that that brought the whole because the
0:51:33fantasy of like I'm just the guy
0:51:35delivering pizzas and whoa
0:51:38yes the load ladies like it could never
0:51:40I was never invested in any of those
0:51:42fancy i'm talking attempted to our young
0:51:45listeners who do not understand what i
0:51:48am talking about
0:51:49talking about an actual actual for a
0:51:52time before contemporary porn when it
0:51:55was actual feature-length movies that
0:51:58purported to have a plot where people
0:52:02had unlikely sex will get a lot of
0:52:05business negotiations gone wrong
0:52:06yeah misunderstandings about money
0:52:08people come in and then you know like
0:52:10the someone comes in to take dictation
0:52:12education you got problems with Dinah
0:52:16Kabul you might want to get the cable
0:52:18fixed
0:52:18yeah the guys sitting at a bar and the
0:52:21bartender and he are there alone and
0:52:24things get a little out of hands a lot
0:52:28of a lot of it seems to involve women
0:52:30needing a favor
0:52:31oh right right it all kind of work it
0:52:33out because they like intercourse
0:52:35strangers and I feel like there was that
0:52:37moment in the eighties when all of a
0:52:39sudden it was not the lady going to the
0:52:41boy doctor but it was the boy going to
0:52:43the lady doctor will switcheroo little
0:52:45feminist like like inversion of your
0:52:48expectations
0:52:49yes but all of those plots were not very
0:52:52interesting and and and what was
0:52:55interesting where those moments where
0:52:56the boom mike came into the shot or or
0:53:00one of the one of the people just for a
0:53:04second glance to right into the camera
0:53:06and it was like right this is being made
0:53:09this movie is being made in a motel room
0:53:13in you know like probably four blocks
0:53:17from where the tonight show is being
0:53:19filmed and I uh and dad is interesting
0:53:25to me or you know that was interesting
0:53:26to my young libido in a way my young
0:53:30sentence is not just a little on POV
0:53:32cumshot it does all of you the you the
0:53:36reader a little bit of insight right she
0:53:38just kind of looked she she didn't she
0:53:40done it wasn't aware of looking at me
0:53:41she was almost looking at her own
0:53:43reflection in the lens of the of 35
0:53:46millimeter film camera that is recording
0:53:48this for posterity but i do feel like
0:53:50that you're right that looking into the
0:53:52phone pointing it into the mirror that
0:53:55there's something erotic being
0:53:57communicated their yeah
0:53:59yeah 70 semiotic semi semi on a titanium
0:54:04now how does that relate back to
0:54:09Quidditch that's not important
0:54:11i mean i-i got into an argument with
0:54:13somebody on the internet the other day
0:54:14where she said something to the effect
0:54:16of she was trying to make common cause
0:54:18with me and said something like blah
0:54:21blah blah blah blah something from Harry
0:54:23Potter universe am i right
0:54:25mm and I was like eating get the
0:54:27reference i didn't get the reference and
0:54:29I didn't get why she thought I would and
0:54:30I was like I don't you know Harry Potter
0:54:32doesn't I'm not even doing see that i'm
0:54:35such a crappy nerd
0:54:36I mean I have friends that are so much
0:54:38more successful nerds good nerd now i'm
0:54:41not i do it wrong
0:54:43I mean I don't do it I don't do the
0:54:45nerdy stuff in the right nerdy way I'm
0:54:46late to a lot of it and i've done as a
0:54:49as an observer of the harry potter
0:54:51community I i I'm living the unthinkable
0:54:54court which is what you think about Liz
0:54:57I have not read the words in a hole
0:55:01harry potter book ever
0:55:03what's really good I have I love the
0:55:06movies and i love the audio books but I
0:55:10did not read any of the books when they
0:55:14were out when i got into it because my
0:55:16daughter and I said my daughter hey
0:55:17let's try this harry potter thing she
0:55:19was really scared at first came back a
0:55:20few months later she ate it with a spoon
0:55:22and like this past summer we watched
0:55:24harry potter movie every day so I didn't
0:55:26all whatever seven or eight of them
0:55:27multiple I've seen the third one
0:55:30many many times I've seen this the final
0:55:33one many many times since I've seen all
0:55:35of them except a couple at least four
0:55:37times probably seen no I have never seen
0:55:39a harry potter movie delightful but I
0:55:42did read all the books one time
0:55:44what because I was locked in the brig of
0:55:47a transatlantic ship and that was all
0:55:51that was there big this the captain had
0:55:58a secret work you are doing the captain
0:56:00a pro I i would say pretty inflexible a
0:56:03idea of what constituted a mutiny and so
0:56:06I ended up in the brig and there were
0:56:09Harry Potter books in there and I was
0:56:10like well I'm here for my head
0:56:12for the first time in months I'm on the
0:56:14side of the listener right now
0:56:16what the fuck you talking about up i
0:56:20love the idea of you being in a brig
0:56:21three books about wizard haha i was it I
0:56:26was it effectively in a break
0:56:28I was just you know you haven't we
0:56:29haven't a timeout I was having a timeout
0:56:32and there was nothing to do except for
0:56:35that inexplicably all the Harry Potter
0:56:39books were in this place
0:56:41they're really long there were well the
0:56:44other long but they are quick read how
0:56:46they did that there i think they're very
0:56:48well I mean I've read a lot of the first
0:56:50one and we listened to the audiobook
0:56:52usually from number 20
0:56:56pretty much every day we pick a section
0:56:58you know chapter six killed a ride
0:57:00Lockhart after seven my blogs and yes
0:57:02but we-we've I've heard I've heard them
0:57:05and and I've read some of the books and
0:57:07they are a real page-turner I get why
0:57:10they were a phenomena you have to mark
0:57:12the things that what i will say is that
0:57:13the books are I think a good deal darker
0:57:16than the movies by and large I you know
0:57:18but I but there's still like kids books
0:57:21or but the kids should have a dark stuff
0:57:23it's like my Frank I english said i was
0:57:24i was like talking about how I felt
0:57:25really bad that I've been as far as i
0:57:28know i've been pretty good about not
0:57:31horribly scoring my kid with media she
0:57:34seen a lot of shit you shouldn't see
0:57:35she's seen tons of pg-13 movies all
0:57:37kinds definitely for things that I've
0:57:39ever really scared her
0:57:40yeah and one of them for a while was the
0:57:43Daleks in Doctor Who my friend guys from
0:57:46Canada is like that there is a rich
0:57:48tradition like every little kid every
0:57:50adult in England is still scared of
0:57:52dollars because they were scared them
0:57:53when they're little
0:57:53don't feel bad alright think about the
0:57:56brothers grimm think about what we mean
0:57:58literally tore something we've always
0:58:01given kids the grossest and scariest
0:58:05stories but you know I think about it
0:58:07having a child the first time she first
0:58:11time my daughter asked me about death
0:58:14was not very long after she started
0:58:18talking I mean she said she's an early
0:58:21and lively talker right yeah
0:58:24early and lively talker but but after
0:58:26she started properly talking and asking
0:58:29questions
0:58:30it was very early on like you know where
0:58:34do you go when you die what is death
0:58:36why what are these you know she she she
0:58:39she's very interested in graveyards and
0:58:43when you think about it driving around
0:58:45it's like well yeah it's very
0:58:46interesting what the fuck is that all
0:58:49you have to do is look out the window
0:58:50and say like well this area of town is
0:58:53very different from everywhere else or
0:58:55just sex is the famous one of like you
0:58:57wonder what it's like and speculate
0:58:59about all the different levels of how
0:59:01whatever that thing is works but I think
0:59:03death the death and burial process can't
0:59:05be too far behind
0:59:06there's a lot of levels to go on
0:59:07equipment so there's a body in the
0:59:09ground how did the body get in the
0:59:10ground like it's just sitting there will
0:59:11note in a box a box yes a really
0:59:13expensive box by the grass on hang on
0:59:15wait a minute
0:59:16well no you get to see him right before
0:59:17they die they have this little love to
0:59:19put in a box with Dutch doors and you
0:59:20get to look at the morning lots of
0:59:21makeup and then they put them in the
0:59:23ground right shoulder levels or you run
0:59:26the box into the fireplace and then burn
0:59:28them up and turns them into ash in there
0:59:29any other this bucket here this one here
0:59:32this one on the mantle here is this girl
0:59:35is I mean at least in my experience a my
0:59:38daughter doesn't have any she is not
0:59:40curious about any aspect of sex that all
0:59:43seems to make perfect sense
0:59:44daddy put a baby inside a mommy next but
0:59:49the question of like where is your daddy
0:59:52well my daddy is dead how did your daddy
0:59:55get dead
0:59:56well everybody gets dead eventually
0:59:56well everybody gets dead eventually
1:00:00ok.how and and that is like I mean what
1:00:05do we have to talk about really as human
1:00:08beings
1:00:08other than that it's still fascinating
1:00:11absolutely i still wonder where my daddy
1:00:13goes when he's it gets dead and how you
1:00:16get dead and end with every passing day
1:00:18I am more and more interested and also
1:00:20less and less interested in how you get
1:00:22dead and so she and and the idea that
1:00:25because I think my instinct when she
1:00:28first asked like like I did the
1:00:32Terminator scroll on my heads up display
1:00:34like that answer think of an answer what
1:00:36are you going to say what you say and
1:00:39then it was immediately clear to me like
1:00:41what do you mean what do you say there's
1:00:42no you're not faking her out
1:00:44you're not trying to camouflage
1:00:45something from her because you know
1:00:48about as much about it as she does
1:00:49that's right where did you go when you
1:00:51get dead you look what I mean like what
1:00:53real consolation can you give that isn't
1:00:56a blatant line
1:00:56yeah right and what is and why would why
1:00:59would I even introduced the idea that
1:01:00there was some consolation for it like I
1:01:03mean I mean not to be obvious but don't
1:01:05you don't want her to become overly
1:01:07morose or scared right but i mean i
1:01:10don't i don't know i think the word the
1:01:12way that you get overly morose scared is
1:01:14that you that you asked a simple
1:01:16question which is how to where you go
1:01:17when you get dead and then you watch
1:01:19everybody around you freaked out and
1:01:21something I work so hard at that and I I
1:01:24get it right maybe ten percent of the
1:01:26time is trying to like go wait a minute
1:01:28stop don't editorialize dont preach and
1:01:31don't feel like you have to try and
1:01:33teach a lesson you can just say what it
1:01:35is that smell is pot and our neighbors
1:01:38are smoking it
1:01:39yeah and that's what that is it's it's
1:01:41just like it's like alcohol you know
1:01:43it's a drug and when you smell that
1:01:45that's what that is that spot any other
1:01:46questions around probably 25 years ago I
1:01:49if I were the same age you know and so
1:01:51forth
1:01:51I would've done it really differently I
1:01:53would have a lot more like admonishments
1:01:54and like you know really open up by
1:01:57saying oh well they're breaking the law
1:01:58or they're hurting their bodies or
1:02:01something like that yeah we had one the
1:02:03other day she ran away in a store and it
1:02:05was a situation where she was standing
1:02:08right next to me and i was looking at a
1:02:10thing on a shelf
1:02:12and then I looked down and she was gone
1:02:13oh god it was like whoa this is the
1:02:16first time this has happened and I when
1:02:18I found her mom was also in the store
1:02:21and that she hadn't gone to her mom she
1:02:23was completely AWOL officially out of
1:02:26sight right so I run to the front first
1:02:29thing that happens man is nothing like
1:02:31it
1:02:31yeah I was no good I ran to the front
1:02:32door of the store and stood facing into
1:02:35the store from the front door
1:02:37basically in like Robocop mode full-on
1:02:42code Adam mood
1:02:43yeah and a her mom you know made the
1:02:47rounds and found her in the shoe
1:02:49department wearing a pair of giant furry
1:02:53pink fuzzy slippers with another with
1:02:56like three more pairs of shoes in her
1:02:58arms
1:02:58not-not-not trying to buy them or bring
1:03:01them to show it come to us but just like
1:03:03it just basically having like a shoe
1:03:05just the earliest stages of like a shoe
1:03:09fetish and in talking to her about it I
1:03:12was like you can't go you can't do that
1:03:16you can never leave daddy without saying
1:03:19where you're going you can't just run
1:03:21away and I remember being given the same
1:03:24talk in the seventies and then and at
1:03:28the time people struggling to explain
1:03:31why because they're bad men and there
1:03:34are you know and and then the concept of
1:03:37bad men got introduced into my head and
1:03:39I was like well what happens with bad
1:03:40men
1:03:41I was like well Batman sometimes
1:03:43sometimes drive Volkswagens with a
1:03:47missing passenger seat and ask you for
1:03:49help putting their canoe on the roof
1:03:51right and then they end up having sex
1:03:53with your dead body in the forest for
1:03:55two weeks I was like okay that was not
1:03:58what I needed to hear when I was seven
1:04:00years old and as i was looking at my
1:04:03daughter I was like you know who needs
1:04:05to know why not you
1:04:07the answer is don't ever do it that's
1:04:10the end you don't be there there is no I
1:04:12understand why you're asking why and the
1:04:14answer is you don't need to know right
1:04:16now all you need to know is don't ever
1:04:19do that again and you know it's amazing
1:04:21how how much they accept that because
1:04:24that is ax
1:04:25only true right that isn't just that's
1:04:28not some planned parent jiu-jitsu and
1:04:30playing it actually is true you do not
1:04:33need to know why you just need to not do
1:04:36that and there are so many things that
1:04:37fall into that category my instinct as
1:04:40an over explainer is like why
1:04:43well let me explain when humans first
1:04:45came for off the Savannah they tamed
1:04:49dogs to help them hunt
1:04:51it's just like the hell yeah I'm with
1:04:53you it's me it's a it's a very revealing
1:04:56exercise it's like any kind of you know
1:04:58sort of exercise like that where you
1:05:00have to do something within constraints
1:05:01you know like for example remember being
1:05:03a little kid and when you are taught how
1:05:07when you define a word you can't use the
1:05:10word and the definition and that
1:05:11suddenly seems impossible you know when
1:05:13you first try to do that but right we're
1:05:15like well how could I was great because
1:05:18i read if you use the word in it that
1:05:20it's not really a definition it's like
1:05:22wow you just blew my mind and for me
1:05:24that's like at all
1:05:25every level you're talking about and
1:05:26probably even more for me where it's
1:05:28like how do I keep how I just factually
1:05:30say what this is to answer the question
1:05:32without having to like / engineer why
1:05:36it's the way it is how it's the way it
1:05:38is or very importantly hear what culture
1:05:40you should what kind of like feeling you
1:05:41should have about it I tried really hard
1:05:42to explain things without overly putting
1:05:45my opinion on it which is something left
1:05:47to my own devices i'll have a clever
1:05:48remark that might stick with her forever
1:05:50about how this is a dumb thing that you
1:05:51don't need to ever think about it like
1:05:53now I don't want to do that like I want
1:05:54to just describe it as a thing and then
1:05:57try to keep all that stuff and she has
1:05:58questions to ask
1:05:59yeah and I think it's really hard the
1:06:01the hardest thing for any of us is to
1:06:03say the the really big questions who
1:06:08were none of us have any answers for and
1:06:10all answers are pretend you know that we
1:06:14don't know anything about why right
1:06:19there is no answer and the and the
1:06:23biggest question is why do we ask why it
1:06:26is is that it's so clear that there is
1:06:29an answer and yet we crave an answer to
1:06:31their question and that is a fascinating
1:06:33thing and that says everything there is
1:06:35to say about humans but to say like I
1:06:39do not know why none of us know why
1:06:41every single institution you see on the
1:06:43face of the earth is in some small
1:06:45portion built to try and give a
1:06:49convincing answer as to why and they are
1:06:53all piss up a rope so there are so many
1:06:58industries businesses philosophy schools
1:07:03that like there's an entire like giant
1:07:05part of our actual and in intellectual
1:07:08economy that is wound up in trying to
1:07:11find some satisfactory answer 28 and
1:07:13essentially unanswerable question right
1:07:15and i think what most of us do is we put
1:07:18together us a long string of causal wise
1:07:22right this is why that and this is why
1:07:25that and this is why that it's the you
1:07:27know it's a version of the the
1:07:29mechanistic view of the universe all
1:07:32looking for the uncaused cause all
1:07:34looking for the thing that is at the end
1:07:36of this chain of demonstrable wise and
1:07:41it's just it's just turtles all the way
1:07:44down right it's just but you can stack
1:07:46as many wise that you can answer in a
1:07:49row as you want but it ultimately
1:07:50arrives at there's no why
1:07:53and I mean that we had a lot of
1:07:55fascinating talks on our honor trip to
1:07:58Africa because David Rees kept bringing
1:08:00up the question of a manned flight to
1:08:03Mars and he asked everybody that we met
1:08:08if you were given a chance to be on a
1:08:11one-way trip to Mars like a settlers
1:08:14voyage to Mars would you take it
1:08:17and I thought it was an interesting
1:08:20question and i was astonished at the
1:08:22number of people and I'm it shouldn't
1:08:25have been astonishing because we were
1:08:26talking to people in the military but
1:08:28the number of people that just instantly
1:08:30said absolutely
1:08:31Wow absolutely I would go on a one-way
1:08:34manned mission to Mars and and David
1:08:39just like day after day was just blown
1:08:42away until he until he had to stop being
1:08:45blown away because it was happening so
1:08:47often among enlisted man among officers
1:08:50men and women would you go on an
1:08:53unmanned are on a on a one-way trip to
1:08:56Mars
1:08:57yes i would really be the big game for
1:08:59somebody in the military and I get the
1:09:00big leagues
1:09:01ya know for sure but all but ultimately
1:09:04it was a personal question and it was
1:09:07down to the fact that most of the most
1:09:10of the people that we met shared in some
1:09:13way
1:09:14a utopian spirit of humanity and that
1:09:23exploration and and expansion and
1:09:29colonization of space seemed to all of
1:09:34them to be as close to a why as they
1:09:38could come up with right there is no in
1:09:41in absence of the answer an absence of
1:09:44an answer to the question why all you
1:09:46can do is explore and then go out and
1:09:50David was like but that makes no sense
1:09:52like why why why would you go out and do
1:09:55that like that's a all this money and
1:09:57resources to go do what nothing like we
1:09:59could be using that that money in to
1:10:02make a garden planet and everybody just
1:10:06started and blankly myself included
1:10:08because i am a person that believes in
1:10:12spaceflight and believes in exploration
1:10:15and see and feel like we will not in our
1:10:18lifetimes have an answer to any of this
1:10:19we will not know for 10,000 years but
1:10:22but I can't think of another I can't
1:10:25think of a better purpose i even if you
1:10:27don't like increasing numbers of in
1:10:30testing people seem to say that we're
1:10:32gonna have to look beyond our planet you
1:10:35know potentially for survival or four
1:10:37thriving but you know even if you don't
1:10:39necessarily believe that yet it's just
1:10:41it's just still that basic idea that
1:10:43like this is what we do like in some
1:10:44ways there's anything back to this hard
1:10:46impossible question why are we here
1:10:48well we're here to find out something we
1:10:50don't know yet yeah and coated it's
1:10:53encoded in US and and if they're if
1:10:56there's any proof of anything the fact
1:10:58that we keep asking why about everything
1:11:01is like is why we're here to keep asking
1:11:07why and to go out and ask why and
1:11:09further and further places and in larger
1:11:11and larger scales at least it seems to
1:11:14me and so when you know what I'm talking
1:11:16to my kid and she's like well why I'm
1:11:20like yes exactly and and I you know and
1:11:27what i'll do what i can do is the more
1:11:29that you're capable of understanding i
1:11:31can break down that the 55 prevailing
1:11:34theories and give you that to chew on
1:11:38because I because my whole life and the
1:11:41and the great pleasure I get out of life
1:11:42is in asking why and trying to answer
1:11:45why and sitting up at night and you know
1:11:49like and chewing on ideas and going like
1:11:52but-but-but mm ah you know and what is
1:11:56that gave me it doesn't gain me anything
1:11:59but it's but it's irreversible in me and
1:12:04I hope it is in her i wish it I wish
1:12:06that upon her because it's been the
1:12:08great joy of my life to to to look at
1:12:11everything and asked why and and not ask
1:12:13why with any expectation of an answer
1:12:16but just the thrill of the next question
1:12:19of the next question and now and the
1:12:20manned mission to Mars that's a that's
1:12:23interesting that's an interesting
1:12:24distinction I would want to make too
1:12:26fine distinction but like it seems like
1:12:29there are people who are asking
1:12:31questions because they want to know the
1:12:33answer
1:12:34some people are no an answer and some
1:12:36people just want to know what the next
1:12:37interesting question is what the next
1:12:38question is that ultimately i think it's
1:12:40a question of scale like as you asked
1:12:42questions you
1:12:43invariably go either up or down in scale
1:12:46he's following a threat of questions are
1:12:49like well now i need to know more detail
1:12:50well now i need to get to the you know
1:12:52get to the underlying question or you're
1:12:55like now I have the context now I'm
1:12:56scaling up and I'm asking how this how
1:12:59that that answer that seems pretty
1:13:03satisfactory how that works across so a
1:13:06big scale and this was the thing that
1:13:08happened with Einstein and it happened
1:13:10with physics in the 20th century it's
1:13:12like okay this is a great theory and it
1:13:14works great here now how does it apply
1:13:16to gravitation and if it doesn't apply
1:13:20to gravitation then it isn't a complete
1:13:22theory of physics and that you know
1:13:26imagine being Einstein and being like oh
1:13:28fuck you know like it works but it isn't
1:13:32the it isn't the big why it'sit's you
1:13:36know if you had to boil down of all the
1:13:38many reasons why it's kind of sad that
1:13:40we're not doing the space program one of
1:13:42them is that it clearly seems to show
1:13:44that you know when we have our reasons
1:13:47and expensive it doesn't have a clear
1:13:50goal in mind
1:13:51you know it velcros great but like we
1:13:53don't know what the next thing is gonna
1:13:54be time like you'll be so nice to find a
1:13:56slush fund just for saying like well
1:13:58this is just a thing we need to do it's
1:14:00like I said my daughter you know we
1:14:01don't we don't have a lot of money will
1:14:03always try and find money for books and
1:14:04art supplies like those are two things
1:14:06where we'll try and find something to
1:14:08always get meeting at books and art
1:14:10supplies because those you can do
1:14:11anything with those you know and with
1:14:13the space program it's like who knows
1:14:15what we're missing out on you know and
1:14:17it doesn't even need to be like you know
1:14:19Tang or or velcro but like we don't even
1:14:22we have no way to even know we have
1:14:24glimpses of what we are as we learn more
1:14:25we can see a little bit of what we might
1:14:27be missing out on but like it's just
1:14:29it's a bummer to know that in our
1:14:30lifetime we're probably not going to see
1:14:32much progress on that
1:14:34well it is a bummer accept that our
1:14:37friend Elon Musk is if there's anything
1:14:43that it excites me
1:14:45a2c privatized any big state operation
1:14:48excited to see privatized it is space
1:14:50exploration because
1:14:53like every other every other thing that
1:14:55used to be the the purview of like a
1:15:01state structure like a government large
1:15:03government structure that has been
1:15:05privatized it's invariably a resource
1:15:08extraction or an administration issue
1:15:12right that we decided that we're going
1:15:14to privatize and let the free market
1:15:17handle and invariably it just leads to
1:15:19what leads to the world we're living in
1:15:22now we're fifty percent of the the the
1:15:24the wealth of the world is owned by one
1:15:26percent of the people but something like
1:15:28space travel where these guys are
1:15:31privatizing it on their own out of first
1:15:35of all just the fact that they're geeks
1:15:37and have a boner for space for her and
1:15:40like if Ilan must goes up with his his
1:15:43dumb bubble plane and discovers that
1:15:47there are asteroids made out of solid
1:15:48gold
1:15:49god bless him but I don't think that's
1:15:52why he's doing it and I think that maybe
1:15:56we will see tremendous progress in a
1:15:59space exploration just because a peak
1:16:02was Jeff Bezos is sitting there going
1:16:05I'm a bankrupt person and i have no
1:16:08there is no reason for me i am i am like
1:16:13snail slime we don't like that gap
1:16:17compiling worth billions of dollars and
1:16:20i'm a nerd
1:16:22what should i do build rockets if it's
1:16:24the ultimate penis bigger than a
1:16:26spaceship
1:16:27I'm sorry bigger than a skyscraper you
1:16:29can build a flying penis you can build a
1:16:31boner to the Stars a boner to the stars
1:16:34you can literally fuck the sky if you
1:16:37have enough billions of dollars and
1:16:39that's what these guys want they are
1:16:40they I mean that's what skyscrapers are
1:16:42right there like rich guys trying to
1:16:43fuck the sky but you can you can build
1:16:46up a penis that flies and that i'm going
1:16:51to talk about answering the question why
1:16:52the answer is flying penis
1:16:56it's right there and that's good