Roderick on the Line

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00:00:26 ◼   ► hello a John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► is it early it's a little early i mean [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► it's only know it's not early its normal [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► normals this isn't this is right in the [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► thick of normal time right now I'm I've [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► never been comfortable with this time of [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► day [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► yeah it's very super duper duper duper [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► normal [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► yeah I as i was driving into town I am [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► past a lot of trucks that are busy [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► little bit busy facilitating commerce [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► and just people walking around waving at [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► each other it's a it feels really super [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► real out there [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► yeah but what if you had to identify if [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► you can [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► what is your power time of day like when [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► do you really feel like you're most on [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► your game is there a consistent time a [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► day when you're like it's john time [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► let's do this i'm guessing like ten [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► o'clock ten pm-10 p.m. and i don't know [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► i'm just guessing you seem like we we [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► visited we should mention a little bit [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► later maybe we had a little visit [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► recently and you you're you're ready to [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► go you're drinking coffee at eight [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► o'clock you ready to go [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► that's bad policy but yeah I you know I [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► think that at between 8-11 p.m. i can [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► handle whatever whatever you throw at me [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► i start to taper off now [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► nowadays i start to taper off around two [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► am I used to taper off around four a.m. [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► and you know I can't say that I I can't [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► say that ten o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► isn't an optimal time it's not but i but [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► i feel i feel like i can't say it [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► no I understand i don't have you here we [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► we we were recording a little later than [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► usual because i had a call at eight [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► thirty and I really i would say blocked [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► or faked but like I I'm sink recently [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► not i don't know i got these stages and [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► there was absolutely time when I could [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► get up at four or five and be ready to [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► go but I don't know something's [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► happening i'm trying to sleep more and 8 [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► 30 is like not powerstroke time for me [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► I realized this morning that you know I [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► like to sleep for sure but more than [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► anything I like to snuggle back in the [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► covers [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► after I should already be awake uh-huh [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► that is the greatest feeling in the [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► world and I and I will just burrow back [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► down in there not even really trying to [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► go back to sleep but just trying to [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► avoid the you know the shit wave of the [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► day even if the day is going to be [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► filled with great thing i I'm so right [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► there with you [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► I just go right back just great snuggle [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► back County doge coverage and wondering [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► if I have some kind of depressive thing [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► because i really like my bed more than [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► ever and i think that's the kind of [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► thing that depressed people say i really [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► like my bed I mean it's I'm very very [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► comfortable supine yeah well and and uh [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► i think that you know they're all those [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► people that feel like [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► sleep is this you know mal adaptation [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► because you know you do you lose a [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► 30-year day to it every single day of [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► your life and if you look at your life [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► is a like a limited amount of time here [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► i could see where it would be [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► frustrating will be frustrating feel [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► like one third of it was just burned [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► right on some Bologna but for those of [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► us who feel like you're a either gonna [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► live forever or B are going to be [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► bio-engineered by by UFOs to live [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► forever feels like that third of your [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► life that you're spending just sort of [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► powering down is absolutely a necessity [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► and and not just a necessity but like [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► some of the best times of some of the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► greatest times I I agree and I don't [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► know I've been interested in watching uh [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► I think especially in the last Lisa and [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► I've been aware of in the last like 10 [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► years there's been a lot of interest in [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► all these the sleep packing right all [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► these different ways that you could take [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► these little naps trying to split up [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► into two or three sleeps a day there's [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► the people saying now that you know [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► until very recently like the eighteen [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► hundreds or second sleep [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► yeah you know about [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► asleep I'm all over second sleep you [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► tell people what that means i think it's [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► an interesting idea [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► well then that in a time before [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► electricity right you would go to bed [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► wooden when the when the Sun went down i [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► go to bed at like 730 or eight ya go to [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► sleep you sleep in and then sometime in [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the middle of the night you wake up [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► refreshed and you have this interregnum [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► in the middle of the night between 11 [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► and 3 or something or made 12 12 12 and [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► it's like you know people used to be [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► awake and I've read people saying that [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► like from like 12 2 people just wake up [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► they would they would talk to people [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► getting everybody all the adults would [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► wake up and you can have your sexual [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► intercourse then hmm you don't know [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► visit with your neighbors it with your [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► neighbors exactly [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► yeah it's kind of a kind of a hot time [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► kind of a kind of a kind of like I i [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► imagine if I were truly living in a [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► second sleep dominated culture that I [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► would rule the selection second sleep [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► era hours i would be one that's right i [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► would really be on fire during that time [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► that's when he starts to be that's when [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► you start scheduling your calls [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that's exactly right and the thing is [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► you know that's it's not when you're [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► gonna you're probably not during your [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► your your midnight hour probably not [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► gonna be roaming around the town you're [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► probably gonna be confined to your [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► neighborhood but that's when you really [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► get to know your your core people [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► yeah that's what Gary I wouldn't be [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► visiting with Gary I would be out i'll [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► be going to matchmake would be out fire [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► hosing Gary but you know it's a like I i [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► routinely throughout my whole life have [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► spent those precisely those hours 12-2 [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► 12 to 23 those were my roaming times [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► that was when i was out screwing around [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► and like you know peering over fences [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► and and learning about the world [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► you know as crazy as you think about I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► think about when I was in college and [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► those college and just right after [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► college which was my peak doing stuff [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► years ago I was always doing something I [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► was going somewhere i'll go to places in [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► a day [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► likely because you got you a lot to do a [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► lot to do [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► oh I was the dread pirate roberts had [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► that thanks to accomplish but you know I [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► remember first hearing that phrase disco [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► nap for somebody to say oh we're going [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► out tonight I gotta catch a disco now [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► you know and in my apartment that meant [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► you would lay down at six or seven [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► o'clock sleep 4 1230 hours hopefully [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► awake refreshed and then go out and tear [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the house down [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► well you know that's the Spanish model [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► right to sleep today they really [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► everything kind of just everything [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► really shut down in the afternoon is [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► that like a thing that really it used to [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► be a fan I think spain now feels a lot [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► of pressure from the rest of the [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► european community to to standardize [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► their practices that people are still [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► blogging during those hours [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► well yeah I'm i imagine that there's [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► still quite a bit of blogging but when i [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► first went to Spain in the eighties it [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► completely shut down in the afternoon [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► but that was because everybody partied [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► until four o'clock in the morning right [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► and then also got up it and open their [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► shops and in the morning so then yeah [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► the afternoon they just call everybody [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► else do you feel like these you feel [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► like these hacks thusly packs are good [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► ok you know it's not a man I i have i've [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► got i got real mixed feelings about it [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► because i am very I don't know here's [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► think maybe we've evolved maybe it is as [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► you say a male adaptation because you [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► know but they're even going on the sleep [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► stuff there are so many people trying to [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► find out the truth about how we should [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► be living rice so on the one hand you've [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► got to get you actually read the paleo [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► book no okay well you're good i'm not [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► interested [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► I i counted ten chapters before they [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► talked about what you should buy at the [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► grocery store because it was so [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► jam-packed full been misremembering this [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► but I remember it being like okay you [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► sold me i bought the book tell me what [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► to buy everybody know they had to walk [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► you through all of this science about k [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► and fire and light and like they really [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► felt like that got to set this up not [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► unlike in some ways like the Atkins diet [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► to diets in that case that really to [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► lifestyles especially paleo spend a [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► lifestyle it's it's all of the enemy [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► gets into your sleep it gets into [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► exercise it gets into beyond what you [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► eat but like the variety of what you eat [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► and why because that's the way our [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► Paleolithic ancestors supposedly lived [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► setting aside whether or not that's [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► necessarily a good model for somebody in [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► the 21st century [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► haha alright i think people are very [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► interested in that and here's the thing [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► with sleep is is what I was just gonna [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► say minute ago I feel like you know it's [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► like if you have never been without a [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► certain kind of malady you might not see [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► it as a malady you see it as a condition [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► of life right now so if you if you've [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► never had great vision you go OK vision [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► is good enough right but then my glasses [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► and you're like holy shit like this is a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I can see things now like I got any [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► lines and things this isn't it amazing [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► bitten by a radioactive spider and you [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► can see infrared that's right you're [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► like a daughter uses all right by [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► climbing up a building and and I guess [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► what I'm getting at is the i often [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► wonder there are so many people I've met [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► who could pay lip service to sleep and [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► i'm asleep obsessive but there are so [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► many people who pay lip-service sleeps [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► we're going to good sleep they never do [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► and I wonder how many of those people [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► have never actually gotten the benefits [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► of getting a decent amount of sleep and [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► they're just big grown accustomed to [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► being constantly shagged out so I think [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► having the conversation about whether [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► there are things we can do better is [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► good i tend to start scooping toward the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► door when too much science or science [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► gets introduced don't know [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► now listen there is nobody in the world [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► who loves constructing a theory based on [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► two books he read and an intro to [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► anthropology class that he took in the [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► eighties hey more than me right I i love [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► that shit I like to walk in the forest [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► and see a rock and say you know [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► that rock probably insert bullshit [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► theory here [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► igneous and so so on the one hand like [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► the all these movements the paleo [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► movement the like pad heritage chicken [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► crowd the simple chickens in the yard [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► yeah but we got here not shit not just [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► chickens you don't want to just go out [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► and get some dumb chicken from Purdue [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► you want to have a chicken that's got [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► like fur write some chicken some some [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► chicken that has bet as only a few small [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► pockets still exists on the shetland [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► islands and you can buy one for seven [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► hundred dollars like a punk rock chicken [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► now it's kind of it's kind of fucked up [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► looking like a smile his chicken where [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► they can't walk and it's wet its its its [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► eggs or orange little bit list but uh [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► but it's a fantastic you know that you [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► see though there are places in portland [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► where you walk into the yard and you're [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► like someone has has a has used sorcery [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► to animate mop heads and they're running [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► around this yard and then you realize oh [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► shit those are chickens the chickens [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► that look like a that you know that look [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► like sheep dogs anyway heritage chickens [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► all these movements beard oil i feel [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► like i had feel like in a way i support [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► the the premise which is which is you [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► know this that the idea that humans have [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► been around only so long we spent 99% of [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► that time adapting to a certain kind of [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► world and then in recent memory [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► we just completely invented a whole new [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► way of living and now we expect [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► ourselves to be able to live in this new [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► way I support that [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► yeah I'm going down i am actually down [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► with certain aspects of that big time [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► yeah but the but the problem for me is [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► when somebody starts being prescriptive [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► and prescriptive [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► about like actual what time to wake up [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► in the morning and what combination of [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► foods to eat because that does as you [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► say that veers into pseudoscience or [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► like we used a a spectrograph to [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► identify the contents of the of that [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► Austrian mummy that they found in a [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► glacier whose name is spayed soul or [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► something i forgot what they called him [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► but urien oh ah ah ah be special [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► anyway this guy you know they have he [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► realized that he had that his stomach [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► contained you know five different kinds [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► of millet and some shoe leather and then [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► yeah we should be eating shoe leather [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► yeah they are just much trained monkeys [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► none by the electric system I you so i [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► don't know i don't know where the line [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► is Merlin between you and me [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► advising people to you know to think [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► outside the box right and and you know [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► and the point at which somebody offers [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► us a book deal to put all of our ideas [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► into into like a life system i know [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► everyone box issues that should give us [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► a you to contract at which point we [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► would be obligated to start talking [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► about this stuff like we really new and [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► really a plan yeah exactly right and the [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► inside here's here's one like I guess [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► met a point that is if you think about [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► it like everybody's got their reasons [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► for everything and it's funny how few [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► things important this could be partly [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► because of our kind of argumentative [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► culture it could be about identity [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► politics but it's kind of funny how how [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► few people are content to just shrug and [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► go yeah you know it's a thing i do I [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► like it and I don't know if i'll always [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► liked it i'm not really worried about it [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► like it's just the thing i'm doing i [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► know that if i get more sleep and I try [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► to get 10,000 steps a day and I avoid [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► eating massive amounts of bread and [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► drinking huge beers you know I don't [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► need a scientist to tell me that makes [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► me feel a little better and I don't need [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► a persuasive theory or paper to prove it [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► like wrong wrong you have got them here [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► yeah i got the data right here yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► but you know there are some things like [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► you know one thing we've that other [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► program that that you've been on we [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► talked about is that I in this is not [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► directed toward you because I know you [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► like to look at ebay in bed but i do [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► think for example the way we expose [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► ourselves to light can actually have a [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► big impact personally like I like the [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► room to be really dark i try to minimize [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► the amount this doesn't work very well [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► because the TV but i try to minimize the [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► amount of bright blue light i get before [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► bedtime because I think that's telling [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► my brain to be awake [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► that's what I I you know there's [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► probably tons of science on that I just [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► feel like anecdotally for me you know [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► like so much stuff in life i can go if I [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► do this rather than that [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► this tends to work out better I don't [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► have a paper for it but that's just the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► thing i do and for the most part most of [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► my I mean if it were not for this [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► program where you and I have discussed [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► some some large quantity of the ins and [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► outs of both of our lives in such a way [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► that it cannot it can no longer be [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► claimed that i that i am a secret from [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the world but there are still a lot of [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► things that I just keep quiet about [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► because to even say them out loud is to [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► be is to suggest that you are advancing [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► a theory when in fact you're just you [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► know I like to just say things out loud [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► i like to just say ideas out loud and [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► see see what happens and for me I [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► honestly discovered seven years ago that [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► I just can't have a TV [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► I can't have one that isn't it's not a [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► moral problem i odd that i have with [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► other people adore I mean it kind of [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► ends up being one because the TV versus [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► non TV people are at such great odds [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► with each other and the TV people are [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► the majority and they really are [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► defensive like any somebody it like it's [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► like religion or anything we're like [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► just the fact that you quietly are doing [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► something differently from somebody else [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► for whatever reason is tacitly something [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► to be attacked and fixed by the outright [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► and whatever that it does that's the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► thing is the people i think what you're [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► saying if I get it is like it doesn't [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► matter what that thing is it could be [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► anything no matter what you do you [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► should never fucking do John Roderick [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► never post a screenshot [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► of the homepage on your iPhone because [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► you are gonna hear from every single [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► person in the world about like what an [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► idiot you are [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► for every decision that you've made why [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► don't you put their what you have that [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► happen when you have two apps [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► why would you put in a footer why would [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► you put that in a folder i like to keep [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► around open at the bottom there under [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► derp I feel like people who follow me [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► enough to look at a picture that I [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► posted on my home screen wouldn't [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► realize that I was completely [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► unreceptive tonight kind of talk that [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► way to me would try it so it is with [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► something like that is it's so innocent [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► and like I just at the risk of repeating [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► here it feels like you know I mean I i [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► had this realization a few years ago [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► that when it comes to stuff like social [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► media that it's like to think it's about [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► you know what you have to say but the [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► thing that makes it social rather than [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► just media is that it's really about [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► what other people have to say about you [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► know anything any utterance becomes [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► grist for any kind of a weird ax to [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► grind and it immediately becomes this [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► toxic game of telephone we're like all [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► the sudden now like your account of [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► revolutionary because you have Calendar [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► apps people who haven't read the thing [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► that you wrote only but but only read [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► the comments that other people had on it [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► are making assessments about what you [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► said and what you mean if you are [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► yeah that I get that a lot actually [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► people you know people on Twitter that [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► don't follow me and have obviously not [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► read the thing that other people are [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► yelling at me about and they just pile [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► on yelling at me you know they and those [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► people are always the amplifiers right [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► the ones yeah well my friend down [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► Stephen Frank is a developer and he he [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► had a pretty popular blog and he turned [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► on comments and got frustrating so he [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► wrote a little thing that said okay come [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► in and you hit post comment and you go [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► to this you go to a page and it says [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► okay here's something like this is [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► something like here's five sentences [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► which two of these sentences appeared in [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► my article haha oh good you have [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► correctly answered that it yet that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► correctly answer that question in order [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► to be able to post a comment oh that's [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► so good it's so good i feel like that [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► should be a test that should be at a [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► blanket test on the Internet [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► but I I I get in I i get in a lot of hot [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► water [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► uh about our contemporary culture [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► because obviously i love it obviously [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► i'm participating in it I really but but [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► I have I have I have threshold so i have [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► i have bomb like I'm I'm only willing to [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► go so far and and it does feel sometimes [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► like I am secretly practicing a Quaker [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► religion or some other you know or a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► sect us a sect of Quakerism and to say [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► even the most mundane thing about how i [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► actually live is to be a is to be [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► judging and criticizing the way everyone [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► else agrees is the proper large one is [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► I'm saying a declarative statement here [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► so part one of that is therefore [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► everyone who isn't doing this the way [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► that I'm doing it is doing it wrong and [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► PE please feel free at this point to [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► jump in and tell me what I'm doing wrong [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► in life write that article i wrote a [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► couple of whatever that was about not [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► being a fan [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► yeah the number of replies I got to that [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► that where the where the gist of the [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► reply was you are an unfun person you [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► don't know how to have fun and I feel [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► sorry for you for not being able to have [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► fun [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► I mean that that was a that was maybe [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► one of the top five [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► like most favorite or something or no no [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► not me know a top-five a team at akali [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► came on with once came up came up a lot [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► of times I mean it's just I wrote an [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► article one time about like people think [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► that rock musicians are like you know [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► they get laid all the time and are like [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► sex teens but in fact here's what an [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► actual day looks like for a rock [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► musician and there's not actually [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► there's not really a lot of time to do [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► drugs and and uh you know and have [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► intercourse no more than any other [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► brilliant business person [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► yeah right here you are the account as [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► accounts get more pussy than Sinatra [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► certain accounts but you know at [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► at two o'clock in the morning you are [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► schlepping your gear out to a cold van [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and thinking about where the motel is [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► you're gonna stay and so I wrote this [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► article and I got a lot of great replies [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► from other rock musicians saying thank [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► you my god thank you for saying what we [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► all know but no one believes right but [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► then I got a ton of a that this was this [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► is back to your your seduction community [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► lot of replies from people they're just [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► like well you just obviously don't know [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► how to close the deal you don't know how [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► to knit chicks like I don't [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► apparently that's what all the way thank [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► you for your text but also uh yeah i [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► don't i don't know how to have fun [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► either because i'm not a fan of but that [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► you know you're our unity you know it's [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I can see why people disagree with you i [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► guess i can see why people get mad but [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► like it's like I I at one point I i just [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► i would get so frustrated with this a [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► certain kind of attitude and I know it's [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► not intentional but when you say that [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► hey here's a here's my 10 favorite songs [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► of the year [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► I'm full of joy and down and like most [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► your comments will begin with you forgot [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► no I don't forget it i didn't put on [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► there it's my list [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► it's just these are 10 things i like is [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► that problematic [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► yeah yeah you forgot this thing that's [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► the opposite of all those things that [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► you listed and then somebody goes to [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► Selena guys let's go find saying [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► somebody said something like you know [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► why why didn't you use this particular [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► Mac application or like you know why [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► didn't you become a video blogger and my [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► understanding responses I don't know why [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► am I not a potted fern like how how do [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► you say why you didn't do something and [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► then you have a conversation about that [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► like why didn't you put your this [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► application in this place on the phone [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► yeah that's like it because I'm a bad [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► person why didn't I go to the Air Force [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► Academy and then become a lieutenant [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► colonel [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► I can totally grasp tell you now I feel [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► like I feel like what one of the prob [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► not problems but I opportunity stakes [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► opportunity stakes [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► Oh a big part of the enthusiasm i have [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► for interacting with the culture comes [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► out of out of like deep memory of [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► feeling outside and wrong for years and [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► years and years just feeling out of step [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► with my peers just like there's never [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► anywhere where you go oh I have found my [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► place for me know that's what i'm saying [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► i like that no matter even in the most [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► hospitable environment I've still always [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► felt like an outsider and I think that [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► that is not typical of people I feel [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► like most people do feel like they find [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► their place and are in their place or or [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► or due to a greater degree than I am [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► because they play team sports and they [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► are made go on the internet and talk [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► about their favorite TV shows with each [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► other I mean I I go on I when I bought [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► my suburban I was like on the chevy [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► truck blogs trying to figure out above [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► about what kind of differential oil i [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► wanted to use it seems so simple and the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► guys the guys that are on there I'm you [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► know posting 40 times a day just about [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► like what kind of torque wrench you want [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► to use you realize like oh these people [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► have found their duck they are here and [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► and what they have a tremendous [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► knowledge about how to rebuild the [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► undercarriage of a of a vintage truck [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► and they're here all day like they can [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► they got all the time in the world right [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► to talk about this stuff and that so [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► when I when i'm interacting with the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► culture i feel i feel like my success [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► let's call it success at navigating at [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► navigating the handicaps that I had as a [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► as a young person there were a lot of [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► times in the course of my life where I [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► was at a crossroads and it was very [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► clear to me that I could I could go the [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► wrong way and be [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► permanent drug addict a dead person a up [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► am a worse than that like a bitter guy [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► who had compromised just a few small [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► compromises but that resulted in me [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► doing something that I didn't want to do [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► the rest of my life and then not being [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► able to turn left right let alone u-turn [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► yeah i mean that part of part of it is [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► like to have to have realized in [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► retrospect that you have rung the bell [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► they can't be on wrong right that you [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► are that you are now bound by [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► commitments and chains that prohibit you [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► from from or or or you feel prohibit you [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► from doing anything to change your life [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► except make an incredibly dramatic [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► gesture right like my grandfather made [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► multiple correct incredibly dramatic [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► gestures to the effect of like going out [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► for a pack of cigarettes are not coming [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► back [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► and every time I open the newspaper and [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► there's a story about somebody that's [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► like well it was a murder-suicide they [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► killed themselves their four kids and [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► their wife and it's just like well they [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► obviously didn't see that there was some [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► other thing they could have done and [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► that's you know that's tragic and [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► obviously in my case I wouldn't have [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► resorted to something like that but [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► there were so many times along the way [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► where I was out of step with the world [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► and the choice eventually was to either [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► say well the world is right and so I [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► have to die a little and be part of the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► world or to say every time as exhausting [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► as this is as as much at as much as this [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► feels like punishment i have to get up [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► and do that and follow my instinct [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► against the world and ideally I don't [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► like it kind of had you one over the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► it had to you know because too because [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► to do the thing to to make even the [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► initial compromise of like well isn't [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► there a way that I can be myself and be [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► in the world who is just is to just go [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► with the world you know that is to two [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► step is to decide that the world is [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► and that somewhere within the world I [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► can carve out some little cubby for [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► myself and you can't I mean it if you're [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► if you made a certain way right you have [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► to just say no in this situation I am [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► going to not presume that I'm right in [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► the world is wrong but just presume that [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► the world is on a separate on a on a [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► parallel track and I have to honor I [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► have to honor my instincts because [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► because i do I did work hard to to train [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► myself I did I did educate myself and [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► now it's telling me to go this way and I [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► have to honor them so I do consider that [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► a success because I'm here now and all [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► of the all of the frustration and the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► bitterness i have it I still I still can [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► reflect and imagine what it would've [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► been like if at 32 years old I'd said [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► well i have to give up playing rock [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► music it's not working out or well you [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► know I should I should marry this girl [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► or well you know this is I you know [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► really i'm giving being given an [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► opportunity to train to be a stockbroker [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► and that's an opportunity that I would [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► be a fool to turn down who and so I'm [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► going to go into the stockbroker [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► training programs almost like the world [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► is maybe not the world is [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► unintentionally casting you to say like [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► okay well we think you're ready for this [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► 2 testily set aside childish things or [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► however you want to think of it but to [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► if you can let go of this part of you [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► then now you get to belong and you get [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► to be part of this system [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► yeah are you ready for that right and [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► and over and over like that what the [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► opportunity to join the military when I [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► was young [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► it's it's really cut and dried at that [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► age it's like do you have money for [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► college [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► do you have do you want to be a success [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► in life where you want to be some some [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► flop [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► and thanks to everyone you want [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► insurance a college education and become [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► a homeowner or do you want to just hope [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► this gas station attendant job really [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► picks up [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► yeah I'm for a lot of people that's very [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► seductive my stockbroker trainer [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► training program i was working as a [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► clerk in a stock brokerage a brokerage [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► firm rather called Piper Jaffray and I [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► was the place where they kept all the [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► documents on the best floor [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► yeah that's right and I was you know and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► I was the clerk and it and they kept [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► giving me more and more responsibility [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► and pretty soon I was taking 14 million [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► dollars worth of bearer bonds down to [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► the bank and you know and I had [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► relationships with all these people that [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► I had relationships with the people at [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► the at the financial desk at the bank [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► and I had a new some of our clients i [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► was starting to make my way up in this [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► firm and I was drinking it on drugs and [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► and and very very very much like living [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► in that world as a kind of you know in [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► that in that way we're like I'm just [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► working on my novel man you know i'm [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► here i'm doing this work but i'm just [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► watching you people who actually work [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► here because i'm working on my i'm [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► working on on on another level [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► yeah almost like they have kind of given [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► up or something well or just you know I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► wit or committed [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► yeah i was 25 years old and I had all [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► the had all the arrogance of a 25 year [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► old who felt like yeah you guys you know [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► you work in an office I come to an [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► office to get to gather material you [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► work in an office and I'm a person but [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► then they started doing the thing where [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► like you you're great at this he would [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► make a great broker have you ever [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► considered being a broker [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► Wow and I was like well i think probably [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► yes i had i think it because i have [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► considered doing every job and I imagine [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► because i'm gonna live forever that of [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► course i would be a stockbroker at some [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► point and they were like well let you [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► know that we do have a broker training [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► program and you kind of have a leg up [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► you would be able to kind of walk right [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► into this [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► Wow and I was like [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► this seems pretty dynamic like this is [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► an exciting turn of events and so as [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► part of the as part of the like [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► enticement they said well there's gonna [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► be a little party on al algae ott this [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► weekend [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► al being one of the older established [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► brokers how do you want to come to the [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► party [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► I mean you're you'll be the youngest guy [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► there young guy but but but you know you [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► make it to meet everybody [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► I'll see you in a different light I was [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► like I'll come to a party on algae on [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► fuck yes I well and I went down and I [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► had my you know and I dressed dressed [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► for success and I went down there to a [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► yacht and walked out you know to walk [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► down the pier and saw the yacht and I [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► was like this is the yacht it's you know [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► it's not really a yacht it's more of its [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► a big boat but like I was kind of like [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► an eyeball that though this lady is this [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► is this or is this not a yeah that's a [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► nice boat but it's a nice boat it's a [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► big boat but but I mean I feel like [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► calling it a yacht is a little bit [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► shouldn't get to wear one of this person [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► how it's probably you don't get to tell [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► you don't get to say whether your boat [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► is a yacht or not I feel it's like [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► poetry other people had call it that [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► that's right if somebody else calls a [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► yacht that's fine but if you're like [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► come on and visit my yacht it's like you [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► should have said boat but I get on there [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► and I'm talking to these guys and [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► there's just a lot of there's a lot of [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► gel in their hair even the older ones [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► and I realized that what being a broker [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► is it's a job in sales [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► it involves a lot of cold calling and it [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► involves telling people that they really [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► really need this financial instrument [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► otherwise they're not going to be [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► they're not going to provide for their [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► kids and you need to say that whether [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► you believe it or not and I was like [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► this is not the place for me and I [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► immediately went over to the bar and [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► drink 14 gin and tonics and then fell [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► asleep on the deck boat in my suit and [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► fell asleep inside I was sitting in a [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► chair and then I just sport fell out of [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► the chair didn't fall i feel like i just [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► was more comfortable lying [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► on the deck knowledge on but I was lying [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► there on the deck and such a weakling [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► this I mean where you are you really i [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► was pretty out of it and and I was lying [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► on the deck in such a way that everyone [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► who was walking around touring the boat [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► had to step over me [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► mind the intern and I feel like I pretty [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► much intentionally torpedo my broker [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► training but it was it was obviously not [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► for me but but in that moment I felt a [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► lot of pressure at on my way to the boat [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► and in the first hour I was on the boat [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► a lot of pressure to not make the wrong [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► decision because this is a thing that [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► could you know that could make make your [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► life you could be a very different guy [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and you can have all you get a lot of [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► money and you could be a member of the [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► right clubs and all these things and I [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► you very seldom although not in this [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► life so many times that feels like you [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► are in a situation where like this it is [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► doing are these the things i want to [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► spend especially back then because I [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► mean we're really I feel like you speak [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► for myself I feel like I was really [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► brought up to like wait for those [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► moments that would constitute the last [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► 10 minutes of the TV movie about me like [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► when is that they gonna come along when [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► I arrived yeah right where you do where [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► suddenly you go what [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► and then the credits roll because he [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► you're in the decision-making portion of [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► your life is over and now you are now [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► you just are doing the thing like you [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► met the girl you got married you got the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► good job at her father's company and [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► then the credits literally roll because [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► nobody cares about the next 50 years of [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► your lobbyist everything's going to be [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► fine its happily ever after [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► that's right everything's going to be [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► fine let's turn our attention to the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► next young person who is in the [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► decision-making mode but that that that [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► choosing and that those choices i feel [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► like i can continue to have to make all [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► the time and um and I mean I'm in a [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► place right now where I'm being asked by [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► people do you want to do this thing this [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► interesting thing where where money [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► might rain down from the sky [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► all involves is that you change [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► everything that you're doing and really [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► we direct all your energy in this other [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► direction but if you if you're ready to [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► do that i can promise you on the other [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► side here that there are machines their [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► machines in our office that have [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► skittles and he would have you have you [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► would have one of the top four or five [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► biggest desks are you kidding no I don't [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► know anything about this sounds the [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► terrifying [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► I mean you know exciting but like wow [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► that is at your age to have that come [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► along is really wild it is why I and [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► particularly wild given that when i look [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► at my head of your statements every year [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► I'm like well just eat by again just by [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► the hair of my chinny-chin-chin [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► but but when I'm when I'm out writing [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► articles are talking on this podcast or [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► like or or prescribing to the world [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► I feel like what the people I'm talking [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► to I am I am NOT writing to dedicated [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► television watchers telling them that [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► they are bad for watching television [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► I don't have any interest in doing that [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► I'm not interested in them at all really [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► I mean I feel like they are doing their [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► thing and we are on a parallel track and [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► we are happy friends like everything I [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► say and everything i right [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► I'm I'm trying to reach those people [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that were or are like me and I'm trying [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► to say to them like there is you know [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► there is someone else out here who is [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► doing it would you know there is [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► somebody who is not a fan of stuff so [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► don't feel like not being a fan of stuff [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► makes you an ale and there is somebody [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► who who doesn't like punk rock so don't [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► think i'm not even that doesn't like [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► punk rock music just doesn't like punk [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► rockers and don't feel like you're a [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► dummy for not liking them because you [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► can still you know it's not a question [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► of if you don't like Punk's then you [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► might as well just be a Christian [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► Republican living in Oklahoma their [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► horses tacitly judging [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► the people who identify with that yeah [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► right who sucks on his part of the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► problem like it is possible to be to be [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► cool as I am cool and rock and roll as [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► I'm rock'n'roll and also call bullshit [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► on things on some of the received wisdom [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► of those cultures right like you you can [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► you can be even an active enthusiastic [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► participant in the thing and still be [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► like but I'd but some of the fundamental [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► premises of this i just don't but they [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► don't reflect my views [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► I don't like I don't like it or or I [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► don't feel it right that's the thing i [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► don't feel it I can I intellectually get [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► it but I don't feel it some so many of [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► the things that are better that we as a [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► as like American culture talked about as [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► being the things that feel the best they [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► don't they don't always feel natural to [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► mhm so I'm just I'm I'm reaching out [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► over and over and over again to those [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► people because they're the ones that [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► matter to me the people bet that are [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► trying to make their way in this world [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► feeling outside but not so outside that [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► they go join the church of satan just [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► enough outside that every day it feels [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► like to I compromised today and like [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► just go with the flow or do I you know [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► do I dig my heels and a little bit on [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► this and say no you know I this little [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► thing know and and to feel like I i want [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► to support those people because I feel [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► like those may be the ones that have the [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► to have something extra special that [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► we've been what we would benefit from [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► them being a little bolder and and I [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► never felt when I was coming up that I [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► had very many role models because the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► pictures the role models are always like [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► you know like John Doe right here's a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► role model for you John Doe he's a smart [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► guy is a handsome guy he's a good guy [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► everybody agrees a good guy and the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► thurston moore or somebody here [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► and I'd be like oh yeah I do I think [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► Thurston Moore said Gavin john doe or [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► good guys and and those would be [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► they're doing it differently they're [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► making their own way in the world and [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► then I would open up the magazine and [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► read the interview with them and they [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► talk about their record collections and [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► be like but that's not it for me like I [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► don't want to look at the world through [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► my record collection and so you know [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► what I mean like that's the app that's [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the responsibility i feel on the problem [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► is i want i want to write an article or [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► when I make a statement in the world I [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► have to hear back from the eighty [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► percent of the people who are listening [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► who think I'm yelling at them but I'm [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► not I'm just like I'm whispering to to [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► the people that are then I feel like my [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► kin [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► uh-huh and I feel like you you know you [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► you have an element of that too but [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► you're much beer much better at helping [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► helping people that you don't feel are [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► like you right you're trying to help [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► people who are like you but also trying [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► to make it you know like be helpful to [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► people that you can pursue that you see [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► but that don't resemble you uh huh me [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► maybe so I mean that particular [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► statement remind you something my [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► girlfriend used to say to me pretty [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► often which was you know I really want [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► to help you but I'm not sure you can be [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► helped and dad that always give me pause [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► and sometimes made me angry [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► yeah um can see where that would make [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► you angry well but you know she was [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► right i mean i guess the the what what [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► I've realized is that [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► yeah I'm i made that crack a few weeks [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► ago about how you know if you haven't [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► found anything complicated you're not [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► near the truth you know and that's and [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► the the truth I feel as i try to evolve [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► with that stuff is realizing that you [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► know i mean the one on one hand were all [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► so much like we're so very very very [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► much alike but you know there's also a [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► part of all of us [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that's broken in a different way and [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► that were ashamed of things in different [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► ways and the so to your point though I [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► feel like it was a real it was a kind of [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► a cart not crisis but a real frustration [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► and it took me a while to get over that [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► I I felt like I wasn't helping people [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► where I was and eventually that led me [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► to not be my website anymore because I [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► realized that I was you know hey you [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► know basically a paddling out to the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► life raft and giving people saltwater [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► you know drink drink up you know where I [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► felt like the stuff that was making its [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► not so different from from alcoholism I [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► guess where or where you're giving [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► somebody something that feels like a [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► palliative that's actually making it [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► worse and over time there's a you know [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► pattern that you can see so anyway I [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► arrived at today that's not very [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► lucrative is that I there are things i [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► will have to say that can help somebody [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► think about something differently and I [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► think for most smart people that's a lot [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► when we realize how much of our problems [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► come from a destructive or not very [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► useful forms of thinking just learning [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► how to reframe something and looking at [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► it from a different angle can be [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► life-changing [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► but it's not anything that you could [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► have a TV show about without being [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► stupid and being at odds with the basic [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► idea and the basic idea is that you know [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you Yuri you're looking at this one part [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► of this kind of wrong when he left about [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► this thing you reframe it with Merlin [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► Mann on the Discovery Channel I also you [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► know I love to I love to be disagreeable [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► now goals are great now they're not [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► gonna suck goes well gonna be good [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► you know I I like taking this point of [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► view because like it depends depends it [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► depends it depends right all right I [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► don't um but you know but it and so then [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► so then where does that put me in that [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► instance you know it's not so different [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► from where you are where it's like you [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► know so I I there was a time when I [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► would fit most handily into what you [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► might call self-help or productivity and [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► the thing is that's a party i do not [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► want to go to i do not want to hang out [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► with the self-help people i do not want [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► to hang out with the productivity people [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► because they're there in the existential [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► porn business like they're in the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► business of vending you something you're [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► always going to need more of Rights [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► takes you further away from the stuff [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► that you actually need to fucking do [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► which is sit down into your thing [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► whatever that is and that that that that [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► is that is that general but you know in [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► that instance i'm with you i mean III [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► feel I have felt very much like you know [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► people want to have that one bit idea of [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► what you do and if it takes too much [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► explaining you must be a charlatan you [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► know yeah so so i don't know i don't [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► know but you know the other foot just [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► your point about the fan thing I mean I [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► can't get away from this thing which is [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► that will part 1 [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► no matter what you see on the internet [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► really anything you say in public but [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► particularly on internet pretty much [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► everybody will find a way to make it [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► about them and to think that you are [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► talking to them and kind of maybe even [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► attacking them so if you say something [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► really nice about the world the kind of [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► thing your sister says on twitter you [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► know quotes from Cleo gibran or whatever [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► like everybody's gonna go [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► that's nice that's nice but you say [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► something like I really wish people [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► would keep moving get out of the way you [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► that they think you're at like attacking [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► them down particularly in that case we [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► are this episode of Roderick on the line [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► is sponsored by Squarespace you know [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► Squarespace as the only one platform [TS]

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00:47:36 ◼   ► with Jeff dot-com that album again Jeff [TS]

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00:47:57 ◼   ► support for Roderick on the line we [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► thank Squarespace very much for the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► support of Roderick on the line and [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► forgiving this great album to the world [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► Squarespace start here go anyway but [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► yeah I mean that was the that was the [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► the the the first shock of that of that [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► punk rock article for me was I was [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► writing it for my seattle for the people [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► that wrote the red the seattle weekly [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► people within within a 10-mile radius of [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► where I was standing and I was stunned [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► and how angry it made people in Florida [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► where you like respect and admire came [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► out publicly against you [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► yeah people we both like I like that man [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► that guy's manage on robberies mad but [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► you know the so you and I just did a [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► show a live show a live Roderick on the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► line show ya in California and it was [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► very fun and we had a very good time but [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► when i took the stage we walked out [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► onstage with you and I were standing [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► backstage from you were like how will we [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► know when to go on let me get the music [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► was playing and then the music went down [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► and the man from the the sketch fest [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► introduced us and we walked out on stage [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► here we are here and enter the last [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► thing you said was like are you gonna go [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► on that side or this side and I was [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► going I memory on that side and then we [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► walk out and there's the there's the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► room full of people and they're plotting [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► and we are saying hello and as a rock [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► musician i adjusted I got used to a long [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► time ago the idea that i was going to [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► walk out on a stage and about and the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► most I can hope for is that half the [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► audience's on my side he might help that [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► people stop talking a little bit right [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► yeah and there are there are musicians [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► and and I know a lot of them and [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► jonathan coulton is one for instance [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► where he walks out on stage and has four [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► years walked out onstage and and doesn't [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► even think it's this it's this thing you [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► were talking about a second ago he [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► doesn't even think about the possibility [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► that there's someone in the audience [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► that doesn't like him because it's a [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► quick they're all on a cruise that's [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► named after him right stop there that [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► was like about governance so he doesn't [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► know that thing i'm going to write a [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► check with his name it's that you don't [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► have a you don't know how bad your [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► vision is because because the all you [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► can see is how you see ya [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► um and and the guys in death cab for [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► cutie like this the guys in keene or [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► like this like if you are used to [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► playing sold-out shows everywhere you go [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► the presumption is that every person [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► there had to make it a special effort to [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► get into your show it costs a lot of [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► money they're all massive fans but for [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► me even during the heyday of my band [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► there was a there was a palpable sense [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► that our band was one of those bands [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► that hipsters would go to see and stand [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► in the back and be like okay [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► long winters I've heard of you show me [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► something and you know that was the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► level of indie rock we were at where we [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► weren't selling a thousand tickets in [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► every town we were selling 500 tickets [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► or 350 tickets and a certain percentage [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► of that audience was there was [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► absolutely capable of coming away from [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► that show going [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► why didn't I don't see what people like [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► them so much I mean you know that that [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► was that's part of that you know how to [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► send some percentage of the audience was [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► there out of curiosity [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► yeah maybe whereas with keen there's a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► pretty good chance they have hurricane [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► song if you have heard a keen song and [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► they're there because they want they [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► want to hear the song and and the people [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► better like you know I've heard about [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► this band and I go to see five shows a [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► week and I'm gonna go check them out [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► they typically don't go to see keen or [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► death cab for cutie but they do go to [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► see bands like the long winters [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► well then after the long winter stop [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► playing and i started doing shows where [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► i was going out as a solo acoustic [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► artists opening for other people then [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► that dropped that percentage i guess the [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► percentage of people who are like who's [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► this guy went way up and my performance [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► style evolved in the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► last seven years i remember you flipping [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► the bird quite as much in the long [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► winters in the because of the language I [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► wasn't fucking I wasn't flipping [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► everybody off because I was like hi [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► friends you know at least a percentage [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► of you but I evolve this performance [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► style [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► whoa where I'm walking out onstage and [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► it's like oh here there's an opener at [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► the show and I'm like hi I'm John [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► Roderick i am a massive person and to [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► you right now i am a nobody [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► I'm not I'm like a weird a bearded guy [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► with an acoustic guitar and I haven't [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► played in moment of music yet but i [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► cannot walk out here and just be like [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► how you guys and start playing my songs [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► i'm gonna have to get I'm gonna have to [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► get this room right [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► first it's time for some framing and [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► that involves telling you not only who I [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► am but who you are and how this is gonna [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► yeah and how this is gonna go how this [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► is gonna go for you if you do like it [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► and how it's going to go for you if you [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► don't like it's like a CIA interrogator [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► what's up man this is only going to get [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► worse harder easy buddy [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► have you seen the box you want to go in [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► the box you don't wanna go into you [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► don't want to go in the box but when I [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► walked out onstage with you in San [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► Francisco it was a it was a very nice [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► theater and a nice full room of people [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► and I and I had I had that feeling and [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► that wasn't prepared for and I hadn't [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► thought of it in advance but I walked [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► out I realized by the applause and by [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► where we were and who we were and where [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► we were standing I was like oh [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► everybody wants to be here right now I [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► don't have to i don't have I I don't [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► have to prepare this room [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and it was a very comfortable feeling [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► and then I look down at the foot of the [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► stage and there was a stack of [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► three-by-five cards that someone some [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► fan had written some inside jokes on [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► written some written some rock on the [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► line based memes on these three-by-five [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► cards and then had put them on the stage [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► and so I walked out and I and I'm I'm [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► kind of basking in this moment like [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► here's our people and then I look down [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► and I see these three-by-five cards and [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► I realized that someone in the audience [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► has a dunce has gone to some work and [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► then put them on the stage in [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► expectation of something and that [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► expectation presumably was that we would [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► pick up the three-by-five cards and read [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► them on the stage and go through them [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► and have them are i'm not sure what the [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► expectation was I honestly have no idea [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► but I look down at the three-by-five [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► cards and I said to myself in an instant [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► you know someone has placed an [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► expectation on the stage and that is not [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► in that is not in within the within the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► bounds of how I'm gonna like this is my [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► stage right and Merlin stage and the [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► hand I reject your expectations so i [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► picked up the stack of three-by-five [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► cards and i know you noted someone's put [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► some cards on the stage and then you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► flung them at the application i hurled [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► into the crowd and which was created by [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► a lot of laughter well and the thing is [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► that everyone in the room and that was [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► the last I thought about it right that [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► everybody in the room understood what [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► that transaction just was right that [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► someone had in their enthusiasm for the [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► show had made a thing they had put it on [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► the stage and had had crossed hubris [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► order and I push them [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► back over the hubris border and [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► everybody agreed that that was the that [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► that is in fact the introduction to the [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► program that we're doing and that is [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► that was in that was in character of the [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► of product on the line and that was just [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► exactly what what that is the message in [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► a way of the program right but at the [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► end of the night so I didn't think about [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► those cards again and at the end of the [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► night I think some people were were [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► picking up those cards as souvenirs yes [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► I somebody photographed him but then i [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► was standing talking to people and [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► shaking hands with people and a young [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► woman comes by and she's picking up the [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► cards and I'm conscious of she's picking [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► up the cards with a particular energy [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► it's not an exaggerated one but there is [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► an energy to the way she's picking up [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► the cards where I realized that she is [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► not an employee of the venue [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► she's not picking up the cards to clean [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► the space for the next show [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► she's picking up the cards because it [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► because she made the cards and I stopped [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► and was like oh did you make these [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► and she said yes and with a look on her [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► face that were revealed to me that maybe [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► everybody in the room thought that was [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► hilarious except for one person on know [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► and i'm not sure what she again i have [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► no idea what was intended but I had you [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► know I'd run with it and then here was [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► this person who had actually either [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► facilitated this because it seems like a [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► lot of them were in different [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► handwriting maybe she'd gone around and [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► asked everybody in the room beforehand [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► to write something on a three-by-five [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► brown or maybe she done it herself in [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► different handwriting [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► I don't know because i also had a lot of [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► people to talk to but I said hey no I [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► would actually like to read those cards [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► if it if that is important [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► I'm sorry that I threw them over the [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► room but that was just a theatrical [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► moment is a bit and she you know didn't [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► say anything she just kind of you know [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► nodded and smiled and gave me the cards [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► and I did read the cards on the cards [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► were you know I kind of exhaustive [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► collection of of memes and themes that [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► you and I have talked about over the [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► years I saw his planning on their Hitler [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► splaining and 380 like three by five [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► card crossed out and you know a lot of [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► the top was I think I'm Merlin specific [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► joke where I did once have a photo where [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► i had written index card on an index [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► card haha oh uh what was what was your [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► great one here you're great there with [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► you did something like I wrote the words [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► jeff goldblum on a page and i found that [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► later and I had absolutely no idea where [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► the couplet my favorite was that picture [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► of you in front of a white board where [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► you had it written some like a ski show [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► ya the brake the brake tag [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► yeah break tag yeah the way 10 plus one [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► point compress that's right in my garage [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► and I was the only attended and that [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► might be that might be a little early [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► for some of our listeners it early in [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► the middle back when i was writing [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► computer mass for the early internet [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► early early culture but I did feel in [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► that moment that even in our even in our [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► inner circle of people that are a [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► hundred percent like on board and and [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► part of our culture and I see this all [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► the time in the replies we get to the [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► there is a lot of variation in the [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► expectation and in the you know and like [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► what people are taking away from what we [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► do and in that in that moment because [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► Ivy even on your own show that we [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► created you can still feel like an [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► outsider ya head it away like I felt [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► terrible [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► terrible [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► all I I felt terrible to have because [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► because on the on one level somebody [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► worked off the sweetness i'm going to [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► say that it's a sweet gesture [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► yeah and now and on another level it is [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► you know it is a completely in character [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► of the show and of me you don't put [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► something on my stage [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► particularly not something we're the [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► only thing up the only thing it's doing [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► there is saying interact with me like [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► right I want you to I want your show to [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► incorporate something I made how did he [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► end up well she you know she kind of [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► smiled and bowed a little bit and gave [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► me the cards and then Roderick and [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► thence then disappeared and if you know [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► she threw down and smoke bomb and we [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► don't get a Batman exit and I had to go [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► I have to go to immediately to another [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► show so I wasn't able to chase her i had [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► to you know to greet the people who had [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► good state to say hello but you know but [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► it was a it was a thing that that I went [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► through those cars out there i did not [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► think about it again until I saw the [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► maker of the cars and then was like all [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► right then and and and I do respect and [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► honor people making things and some of [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► the fan art that we've generated makes [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► me as happy as strong if you walking a [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► large cat dressed as a pimp the small [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► Cal so amazing Jesus amazing so amazing [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► but but that had that feeling right that [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► that and I think that is a feeling that [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► everybody has right then that no one [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► totally gets them and even your closest [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► people don't they're never going to [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► totally get you and knowing how to know [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► how to know like where your where the [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► borderlands are where you actually dig a [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► trench and make a stand and where you [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► just say like oh this is where there's [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► this isn't a battleground it's just a [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► village it takes a village I'm just a [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► villager i feel like i'm writing lyrics [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► to my new record right now I'm just [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► going to go into the village [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► k takes a village no reply attention [TS]

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01:03:04 ◼   ► time available to you John and I thank [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► you in advance for having a torso and [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► excellent taste takes a village makes [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► village shaken bake village [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► oh fun show though I had a blast and I [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► enjoyed it a lot i mean it's you know [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► it's like any of these things network [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► we're really up our own ass now that [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► it's done it's really different [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► I mean it's funny because like there's a [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► switch tradition of writing and [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► recording music that you put out and [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► then people listen to and it rich [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► tradition of playing live shows and they [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► have a distinctly different energy [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► unless you're like I remember Joe [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► Jackson put that record like 1986 we're [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► gonna have to be really quiet while I [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► was recording because it was recorded [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► live but he didn't want any audience [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► participation on it all really weird [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► tonight will did we just hear something [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► about Stephen merit we're after the [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► first song had his rock concert he said [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► I would I don't hear applause hurts my [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► ears [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► I'm really glad I don't room with that [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► guy right here applause hurts my ears [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► man [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► ok that but he smells like cigarettes [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► Milwaukee's go [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► it's true what you say the the energy I [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► mean you and I have a very different [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► when we're on honor did that's not yeah [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► exactly you're getting it you're getting [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► what i'm saying here which is like a [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► record with somebody else long enough to [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► do something like this you know [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► sure obviously it's a matter of taste [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► whether you are into it or not but it is [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► what it is and it's what we understand [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► what this is but like I've never done [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► anything podcast II that was easy to do [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► live and have it have the same flavor [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► and brio as the what we're doing right [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► now not that's not necessarily an [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► interesting thing but you know and i [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► have to tell you that with other things [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► i've done like that the best thing we [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► ever did was to stop having it try to [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► have this is precise energy as the [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► record show right in the same way that a [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► live show with sock [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► I mean barring what Joe Jackson and [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► crafts for kraftwerk like don't try and [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► make it sound like the record that's not [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► what people are therefore if they are [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► therefore that the initials on the [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► record right price [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► you know and we talked about that like [TS]