Roderick on the Line

Ep. 140: "Nadir for Now"


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00:00:24   hello hi John hi Merlin as it going [TS]

00:00:31   Oh super super good tired [TS]

00:00:38   yeah I'm sorry I'm a little late it's [TS]

00:00:39   it's the tired season [TS]

00:00:42   yeah it is it is so you had a well we [TS]

00:00:45   shouldn't say what you had trouble [TS]

00:00:47   getting your kid somewhere today I you [TS]

00:00:49   know just normal stuff just normal human [TS]

00:00:51   adulthood stuff takes longer and longer [TS]

00:00:56   all the time [TS]

00:00:57   yeah you wake up in the morning and [TS]

00:00:59   you're like here it is [TS]

00:01:00   Here I am This Is It this is it the [TS]

00:01:03   nadir really well yeah because you know [TS]

00:01:09   when you're young you're like arts one [TS]

00:01:12   of these days it's all gonna make sense [TS]

00:01:16   it's all gonna come together [TS]

00:01:18   yeah and then when you're old you're [TS]

00:01:20   like I don't remember what that over its [TS]

00:01:23   the nadir for now I feel I feel amazing [TS]

00:01:26   i'm on medication i remember anything [TS]

00:01:28   before two days but you go but now right [TS]

00:01:32   here it's like oh this is it man right [TS]

00:01:37   idea and it I am Here I am in my forties [TS]

00:01:40   just right in the middle of it and it's [TS]

00:01:42   not gonna there's you know I'm not gonna [TS]

00:01:46   get any different [TS]

00:01:49   no I don't know I've been having fun [TS]

00:01:51   lately i'm enjoying kid stuff a lot [TS]

00:01:53   lately [TS]

00:01:54   mhm I mean you know it's a the work not [TS]

00:01:59   working is it a lot of its a lot of [TS]

00:02:01   grind but you don't want to grind [TS]

00:02:04   yeah Grist crist starting to think that [TS]

00:02:07   the basis for most midlife male mid life [TS]

00:02:11   crises na might come out of a lack of [TS]

00:02:14   gratitude or perceived lack of gratitude [TS]

00:02:17   from other people for all the hard work [TS]

00:02:19   that we do [TS]

00:02:20   yeah I mean it's not like I actually [TS]

00:02:21   deserve that but when i noticed myself [TS]

00:02:23   in my lower moments I'm like would do to [TS]

00:02:25   all these things you know you can see [TS]

00:02:29   the core [TS]

00:02:30   but you know I might never know I had a [TS]

00:02:34   lot of it has to do with getting sick [TS]

00:02:36   all the time may still sick or Yuri SiC [TS]

00:02:38   em again it I got a sick on top of a [TS]

00:02:43   sick i gotta sell getting sick and I got [TS]

00:02:46   better and then it was like a it was [TS]

00:02:48   like a it was like some kind of adjunct [TS]

00:02:51   to sick it was the same sickness but [TS]

00:02:55   it-it recalibrated itself and was like [TS]

00:03:01   you know what I want a second shot at [TS]

00:03:03   this and so a weekend i just got super [TS]

00:03:09   sick the same exact way that that's not [TS]

00:03:15   reasonable John that was that she was [TS]

00:03:17   completely unacceptable what the wood [TS]

00:03:20   it's like double jeopardy or something [TS]

00:03:21   exactly like twice for the same illness [TS]

00:03:24   yeah that's right now I met and so I [TS]

00:03:26   feel a little bit let me talk about [TS]

00:03:29   gratitude [TS]

00:03:30   yeah yeah I really think that the thing [TS]

00:03:31   i really ride you you know a lot of [TS]

00:03:34   gratitude for any God counts i'm blessed [TS]

00:03:37   you know what I mean any God who would [TS]

00:03:39   make the Holocaust sick twice in a row [TS]

00:03:43   oh i just read that Hitler book again [TS]

00:03:46   which one is that the meaning of Hitler [TS]

00:03:49   00 i heard that fella on the public [TS]

00:03:55   radio and the thing it turns out it's [TS]

00:03:57   not actually about the meaning of Hitler [TS]

00:03:59   it's about people trying to find meaning [TS]

00:04:00   and Hitler as a widely misunderstood [TS]

00:04:01   book and Hitler's a baby on the cover [TS]

00:04:03   right at the book [TS]

00:04:05   oh no different book how even Hitler was [TS]

00:04:07   his x is it it was sent to me by a [TS]

00:04:10   German listener of our program and look [TS]

00:04:14   this up and it is a it's a book that was [TS]

00:04:16   originally published in German by a [TS]

00:04:18   German man it's a small book a thin book [TS]

00:04:23   but it is and it was a huge bestseller [TS]

00:04:26   when it came out in 1979 in Germany but [TS]

00:04:31   it is just so full of insight written in [TS]

00:04:36   a very chatty casual style so full of [TS]

00:04:40   inside and you you read it in the first [TS]

00:04:42   you know the first half of the book is [TS]

00:04:43   you just like oh my god this book is [TS]

00:04:46   explaining so much about the psychology [TS]

00:04:50   of Germany at the time and Hitler and [TS]

00:04:55   his appeal and you know you just you [TS]

00:04:57   just like inside inside inside and then [TS]

00:05:00   the second half of the book it's just [TS]

00:05:02   like oh my god this is so much worse [TS]

00:05:04   than I thought [TS]

00:05:05   even so much after a lifetime of [TS]

00:05:08   studying this guy this little thin book [TS]

00:05:12   is really instructing me on how much [TS]

00:05:15   worse it is than I ever imagined really [TS]

00:05:18   gonna cover my ass for a minute [TS]

00:05:20   the book i was thinking of the time we [TS]

00:05:22   mentioned on the public radio is called [TS]

00:05:23   explaining Hitler explaining Hitler i [TS]

00:05:26   colon the search for the origins of his [TS]

00:05:28   evil and this is a 1998 book by [TS]

00:05:31   journalists wrong rosenbaum it's got a [TS]

00:05:33   picture of Hitler's a baby on the cover [TS]

00:05:34   and book is kind of i'm giving believe [TS]

00:05:36   widely misunderstood because he's not [TS]

00:05:38   trying to actually explain Hitler he's [TS]

00:05:40   trying to understand the people who try [TS]

00:05:41   to explain this might be a nice young [TS]

00:05:45   complainers yeah if you've wrapped [TS]

00:05:46   around to reading that one twice you [TS]

00:05:48   might want to move back to the states [TS]

00:05:49   and have a look at explaining Hitler [TS]

00:05:50   explaining Hitler yeah i i'm not sure i [TS]

00:05:54   want to have to have the explainers of [TS]

00:05:56   excessive Hitler explained to me but [TS]

00:05:59   maybe you know maybe hey Hitler [TS]

00:06:01   explaining and explaining the book i'm [TS]

00:06:06   not you don't like it John you sound [TS]

00:06:08   terrible but you know what that's the [TS]

00:06:09   northwest I can have I'm on the mend the [TS]

00:06:12   book something that was by sebastian [TS]

00:06:14   Hafner that's a great and yes Sebastian [TS]

00:06:16   after and he's just he's so smart [TS]

00:06:19   anyway so that so I've been you know [TS]

00:06:20   think about Hitler and then and then and [TS]

00:06:24   then bombed like really bummed like that [TS]

00:06:27   the tail end of this book is I mean not [TS]

00:06:28   that I want to look about Hitler you're [TS]

00:06:30   in for the second I wouldn't believe [TS]

00:06:31   more you know what I mean look at us [TS]

00:06:33   like you would think you would think if [TS]

00:06:35   i walk out of the house with the spring [TS]

00:06:36   in my step [TS]

00:06:38   having experienced nearly you step you [TS]

00:06:40   know really jumped you losing your step [TS]

00:06:43   jump into this book a second time but [TS]

00:06:46   it's really it's the type of book I [TS]

00:06:47   don't usually read book multiple times [TS]

00:06:49   but this is one of those books you could [TS]

00:06:51   read every few years and a lot of books [TS]

00:06:53   and somehow you came back to that one [TS]

00:06:55   like I say like I say it's a it stands [TS]

00:07:01   just added and just as a as a book [TS]

00:07:04   because because how many books are there [TS]

00:07:07   and I'm and maybe with one of the [TS]

00:07:09   appeals of it is that i would like to [TS]

00:07:11   write books about things that everybody [TS]

00:07:13   thinks they already know everything [TS]

00:07:14   about you want to read it turns out book [TS]

00:07:16   right because it turns out as it turns [TS]

00:07:20   out dot you thought that toilet water in [TS]

00:07:23   the in the southern hemisphere went down [TS]

00:07:25   counterclockwise my parents out turns [TS]

00:07:28   out [TS]

00:07:29   yeah and and so this is one of those [TS]

00:07:32   books where it's like everybody thinks [TS]

00:07:34   they already know about everything there [TS]

00:07:36   is to know about this story and and it's [TS]

00:07:39   not really he doesn't really frame it [TS]

00:07:41   and it turns out way he's just like well [TS]

00:07:43   you know let me let me let me show let [TS]

00:07:45   me show you ever let me show you how we [TS]

00:07:48   got there let me show you why this [TS]

00:07:49   mattered [TS]

00:07:50   why this thing which we all just sort of [TS]

00:07:53   gloss over Hitler's evil for instance [TS]

00:07:55   you know we just sort of say that [TS]

00:07:57   Hitler's evil and matt and move on as [TS]

00:08:01   though we all agree but let's talk about [TS]

00:08:03   what that means right and i love that [TS]

00:08:05   stuff you know i would like to i would [TS]

00:08:07   like to have that that kind of a thought [TS]

00:08:10   proficiency is all but that's kinda want [TS]

00:08:12   to get from that other book is that same [TS]

00:08:14   idea is that like if you just try to [TS]

00:08:16   look this over here and this big easy [TS]

00:08:18   relatively easy to understand pile [TS]

00:08:20   called evil you miss out a lot on unlike [TS]

00:08:23   how profoundly bad news it was right i [TS]

00:08:26   think that thing with you write [TS]

00:08:27   something off as evil I mean what what [TS]

00:08:29   the fuck does that mean what does that [TS]

00:08:31   mean people i'm sorry i wanted to curse [TS]

00:08:33   on Hitler conversation but you know [TS]

00:08:36   it'sit's it does it does seem like you [TS]

00:08:39   know there's a good we should talk about [TS]

00:08:41   illness [TS]

00:08:42   yeah evil I mean evil is not a not a [TS]

00:08:45   thing that you want to [TS]

00:08:46   are off your your-your-your bright [TS]

00:08:49   sunshiny middle-aged guys podcast yeah [TS]

00:08:54   let's start talking about evil right [TS]

00:08:56   away first 10 minutes i've said this [TS]

00:08:58   before i'm gonna say it again i am you [TS]

00:09:00   know that job I had in nineties was [TS]

00:09:03   working on a lot of stuff with [TS]

00:09:04   litigation and environmental assessments [TS]

00:09:09   involving lots of stuff involving like [TS]

00:09:10   chemicals so basically here's a nut [TS]

00:09:13   here's the job that i had 45 years was [TS]

00:09:15   working at a place where if a giant [TS]

00:09:17   giant giant company got sued by somebody [TS]

00:09:20   if there's any chance in the world that [TS]

00:09:22   person had actually been injured like [TS]

00:09:24   really honestly if there was a chance it [TS]

00:09:25   would just write a check right that's [TS]

00:09:27   the thing that people used to do like GE [TS]

00:09:29   used to just write if you said hey [TS]

00:09:30   there's PCBs in my cereal [TS]

00:09:33   however implausible that was if they [TS]

00:09:35   thought there was some chance that that [TS]

00:09:36   could go to court and like they had a [TS]

00:09:38   chance when they would just write a [TS]

00:09:39   check and eventually the companies like [TS]

00:09:41   hey we can't afford to do this forever [TS]

00:09:42   so we got the most cynical ass annoying [TS]

00:09:46   ambulance-chasing cases and had to let [TS]

00:09:49   go and like do a pics and bunnies puppet [TS]

00:09:51   show of science to show how look at it [TS]

00:09:54   the you this guy would have to eat do [TS]

00:09:56   nothing but eat cereal full of chlordane [TS]

00:09:59   40 years and it's still much more likely [TS]

00:10:01   his lung cancer came from his three [TS]

00:10:03   packs of cigarettes a day right to do [TS]

00:10:04   that because you've got a really like a [TS]

00:10:06   pig's and bunnies you got to really [TS]

00:10:07   bring it down and I was the era of a lot [TS]

00:10:10   of like rats in your coke can and then [TS]

00:10:13   people were people were were drumming up [TS]

00:10:15   some some species lawsuits I i remember [TS]

00:10:19   hearing around the same time starting [TS]

00:10:20   maybe in the eighties I remember he [TS]

00:10:21   never did this but I think this is kind [TS]

00:10:23   of a coupon guy thing to do that like [TS]

00:10:25   you right if you write a letter to the [TS]

00:10:27   winn-dixie and you say there was a rat [TS]

00:10:29   in my coke to give you free stuff right [TS]

00:10:31   there that's a guy freak oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:10:33   and then that became kind of an industry [TS]

00:10:34   thing is though like a lot of people [TS]

00:10:36   came in with like sick building syndrome [TS]

00:10:38   you're supposedly the black mold or not [TS]

00:10:42   even black hole just the fact that you [TS]

00:10:44   know with you have these really crazy [TS]

00:10:45   consultant people come in so you've got [TS]

00:10:48   to go live in this mobile home that [TS]

00:10:50   doesn't have any quote unquote chemicals [TS]

00:10:51   in it and I became very suspicious [TS]

00:10:54   no homes no no chemicals are used in the [TS]

00:10:57   construction of mobile homes [TS]

00:10:58   no not at all but I became very cynical [TS]

00:11:00   about all that stuff you know one hit [TS]

00:11:01   theory in cancer and all these ideas [TS]

00:11:03   that have been you know they're pretty [TS]

00:11:04   pretty bananas [TS]

00:11:05   what about radon how do you feel about [TS]

00:11:07   radon I think that's the thing isn't a [TS]

00:11:09   big new jersey thing get right on right [TS]

00:11:10   on your basement Yeah right on your [TS]

00:11:12   basement is probably think they write a [TS]

00:11:13   check for that you know what I mean [TS]

00:11:15   we're not right on comes out it comes [TS]

00:11:17   into your basement because it's because [TS]

00:11:18   nature because because of nature [TS]

00:11:21   yeah because God put it there mm that's [TS]

00:11:23   what he would he wants is great about [TS]

00:11:25   being second hour back to God Hitler [TS]

00:11:27   sorry no not at all [TS]

00:11:29   nobody sense how poor John my gosh you [TS]

00:11:32   should sue somebody have you been [TS]

00:11:33   exposed to anything recently have i ever [TS]

00:11:36   you might have missed me with [TS]

00:11:38   mesothelioma thinking about on daytime [TS]

00:11:40   TV I've been exposed to so many bad [TS]

00:11:43   ideas that I feel like they are having [TS]

00:11:46   their taking a toll they're making me [TS]

00:11:47   sick [TS]

00:11:48   yeah the it just makes me wonder though [TS]

00:11:50   I live in an old house and there are [TS]

00:11:52   times when I think my family keeps [TS]

00:11:54   getting sick i wonder if there's [TS]

00:11:56   something that's killing us in our house [TS]

00:11:57   and that's about 20 years ago that's the [TS]

00:11:59   last thing the world everyone thought [TS]

00:12:00   about do you have two cows syndrome [TS]

00:12:02   I don't think so but I'm you know what I [TS]

00:12:04   think I think it's really purely [TS]

00:12:06   behavioral and cognitive which is like [TS]

00:12:08   if i get out of the house and walk [TS]

00:12:09   around like a fucking gentleman like get [TS]

00:12:11   out of the house of I don't lay there [TS]

00:12:12   and listen to podcast for literally [TS]

00:12:13   eight hours i have a slightly better [TS]

00:12:14   mood and I breathe better [TS]

00:12:16   I think it's just sitting on my ass but [TS]

00:12:18   but you know but it's nice to know [TS]

00:12:19   you're a syndrome that's right there's [TS]

00:12:22   nobody can sue for that radon is one of [TS]

00:12:24   the densest substances that remains a [TS]

00:12:27   gas under normal condition no kidding [TS]

00:12:30   yes it is the operator mercury to very [TS]

00:12:32   dense gas rain on our apartment yeah [TS]

00:12:35   well I think we should all learn more [TS]

00:12:36   about radon it would be if we do nothing [TS]

00:12:38   else today we should learn more about [TS]

00:12:40   right on [TS]

00:12:41   I you don't real active colorless and [TS]

00:12:43   odorless and tasteless noble gas see [TS]

00:12:47   that round-out that's how the the KGB [TS]

00:12:50   kills their their expatriates is that [TS]

00:12:53   right [TS]

00:12:53   something Germany kind of thing to do it [TS]

00:12:55   but radon gas in their basements in new [TS]

00:12:56   jersey new jersey kids get sick as I was [TS]

00:13:00   I was coming here I wanted to add an [TS]

00:13:02   addenda to keep moving and get out of [TS]

00:13:06   the way [TS]

00:13:07   Oh fantastic [TS]

00:13:09   because I realized that is you know in [TS]

00:13:12   its basic form it is complete and holy [TS]

00:13:15   especially if you say it correctly i [TS]

00:13:17   don't think i would never want to I [TS]

00:13:20   would never want to accuse our listeners [TS]

00:13:23   not saying correctly but you got me it's [TS]

00:13:25   not keeping my hands are always not more [TS]

00:13:28   it's not keeping or get out of the way [TS]

00:13:29   it's keep moving and getting tired of [TS]

00:13:31   constantly to both degree [TS]

00:13:33   yeah absolutely absolutely and it's it's [TS]

00:13:35   it's a it's a holy edict and it ended it [TS]

00:13:37   belongs it belongs carved into a [TS]

00:13:40   Lincoln's nose on 11 Mount Rushmore but [TS]

00:13:43   actually it should be translated into [TS]

00:13:44   every language and carved onto the to [TS]

00:13:47   the Lincoln of your country on the Mount [TS]

00:13:49   Rushmore of what your country [TS]

00:13:51   let's go forward in fourth grade every [TS]

00:13:53   year you always get like this day in [TS]

00:13:55   history [TS]

00:13:56   he's like back in Ohio we make paper [TS]

00:13:58   mache Indian mounds and stuff like that [TS]

00:13:59   like I state the Buckeye State absolute [TS]

00:14:01   hundred percent go buckeyes I think [TS]

00:14:03   there should be a module regarding keep [TS]

00:14:06   moving and get out of the way at every [TS]

00:14:08   level in primary education [TS]

00:14:10   absolutely they should teach it they [TS]

00:14:12   should want to make sure you continue to [TS]

00:14:13   teach you should have to recite it at [TS]

00:14:16   the DMV if you get a citation for you [TS]

00:14:18   should have to go to some kind of keep [TS]

00:14:19   moving gallery school but I realized [TS]

00:14:22   that there that there are that there [TS]

00:14:25   need to be sort of a bill of rights of [TS]

00:14:27   keep moving it out of the way there [TS]

00:14:28   needs to be a a some articles that go [TS]

00:14:32   along with these are like your [TS]

00:14:33   amendments these are like you're not [TS]

00:14:35   allowed to drink no more slavery that [TS]

00:14:37   that's right that's right that's right [TS]

00:14:38   a universe without the First Amendment [TS]

00:14:40   first amendment to the junkie million [TS]

00:14:44   other way see it seems to me to be that [TS]

00:14:46   we need to introduce an additional [TS]

00:14:48   concept which is the concept of of [TS]

00:14:53   positional relativity or inertial [TS]

00:14:58   relativity insertion Paul International [TS]

00:15:01   relativity which is to say that when i [TS]

00:15:06   am in a crowd of people moving or [TS]

00:15:09   certainly on the highway moving any [TS]

00:15:12   situation where you are in a group of [TS]

00:15:14   people and you're all moving the same [TS]

00:15:16   direction more or less [TS]

00:15:17   uh-huh so you could be in this crowd of [TS]

00:15:20   people and you could be thinking to [TS]

00:15:22   yourself I am keeping moving and I'm not [TS]

00:15:26   in anybody's way because we're all [TS]

00:15:28   moving together in the same direction [TS]

00:15:31   more or less and so I am fulfilling the [TS]

00:15:35   tenants of keep moving you know the way [TS]

00:15:36   so I'm fine and I'm going to go back to [TS]

00:15:39   sleep i'm going to start looking at my [TS]

00:15:40   phone i'm gonna go back back into the [TS]

00:15:42   sort of you know a text trance [TS]

00:15:45   uh-huh but the reality is i find that [TS]

00:15:51   you need to keep moving also relative to [TS]

00:15:55   the other people who are moving around [TS]

00:15:58   you it's not enough to just do some [TS]

00:16:01   motion [TS]

00:16:02   yeah yeah that's right you need to the [TS]

00:16:03   International relativity you should [TS]

00:16:05   always because of international [TS]

00:16:07   relativity you should always also be [TS]

00:16:09   either passing or being passed [TS]

00:16:13   oh that's good you know what I mean [TS]

00:16:15   right he's not busy being born is busy [TS]

00:16:18   dying like that is exactly right because [TS]

00:16:20   your own claws if you are not being [TS]

00:16:23   passed by other people then you should [TS]

00:16:27   be passing other people you should not [TS]

00:16:30   be do not ever allow yourself to become [TS]

00:16:33   part of a of a block movement where [TS]

00:16:38   everyone is moving at the same pace [TS]

00:16:40   because that is the death of innovation [TS]

00:16:45   and you're also you're not leaving a [TS]

00:16:46   space for somebody who needs to go super [TS]

00:16:48   fast [TS]

00:16:49   thank you ok exactly i had to fly on [TS]

00:16:53   United last week and I i I'd it [TS]

00:16:58   oh man and still mad at them and and all [TS]

00:17:02   this being mad at them [TS]

00:17:03   yeah has really paid off for me how's [TS]

00:17:06   that I just it just kills you [TS]

00:17:08   I just feels good I keep being mad at [TS]

00:17:10   united and make it being over there and [TS]

00:17:12   I keep going over here and and uh yes is [TS]

00:17:15   what they wore winter [TS]

00:17:17   this is what they pay for asking for [TS]

00:17:18   first class for some reason they want to [TS]

00:17:19   use United [TS]

00:17:20   I was in the nice part of the bus and [TS]

00:17:24   but here's the thing and I think this is [TS]

00:17:26   not know where is this clear this yes [TS]

00:17:28   America's highways sure but on the [TS]

00:17:30   moving sidewalk [TS]

00:17:32   I don't want to get all Seinfeld here [TS]

00:17:33   but honestly the moving sidewalk it [TS]

00:17:36   betray so much about how little [TS]

00:17:37   understood the American understands [TS]

00:17:39   about getting anywhere [TS]

00:17:40   well and it's a very simple moving [TS]

00:17:42   sidewalk is a very small petri dish is a [TS]

00:17:45   controlled environment shares narrow it [TS]

00:17:48   is limited and narrow there's only so [TS]

00:17:50   much you can do and so therefore it is a [TS]

00:17:53   heightened state where you must practice [TS]

00:17:55   the ninja levels of keep moving and get [TS]

00:17:59   out of the way and what did you discover [TS]

00:18:00   on let me just let me just tell you [TS]

00:18:02   there's all you need is you know here's [TS]

00:18:04   the thing [TS]

00:18:05   there are people who don't travel a lot [TS]

00:18:06   who don't know about moving to the right [TS]

00:18:09   either on an escalator I mean that's the [TS]

00:18:11   thing I'm imagine something in in [TS]

00:18:13   seattle it's definitely a thing in San [TS]

00:18:14   Francisco [TS]

00:18:15   I mean we were downtown yesterday and [TS]

00:18:17   you can tell the people who are from out [TS]

00:18:18   of town because they don't know to move [TS]

00:18:19   to the right of the escalator let people [TS]

00:18:20   get by right because they are from [TS]

00:18:22   stockton and and there is no right or [TS]

00:18:25   left in stock and comfortable it's all [TS]

00:18:28   just a flat so jesus said this is the [TS]

00:18:30   thing that I don't let me just add yes [TS]

00:18:32   but i think people who are from a wide [TS]

00:18:35   open spaces central California I was [TS]

00:18:38   talking to a woman from the Czech [TS]

00:18:39   Republic last night and she said as we [TS]

00:18:43   were sitting and chatting and she was [TS]

00:18:44   like American to the Ukraine and I was [TS]

00:18:45   like never been to the Ukraine slovakia [TS]

00:18:48   all mountains in Slovakia and she was [TS]

00:18:50   like how you create beautiful [TS]

00:18:52   well she said this is the thing about [TS]

00:18:54   the Ukraine that people don't fully [TS]

00:18:55   understand and Russia to which is that [TS]

00:18:58   you get over you get out of the [TS]

00:19:00   mountains of the slovak ear or whatever [TS]

00:19:03   you have you know halfway through Poland [TS]

00:19:04   it starts happening and then it's just a [TS]

00:19:07   flat pan [TS]

00:19:08   it's a flat pan all the way to the Ural [TS]

00:19:11   Mountains there's not a there is not [TS]

00:19:13   another bump all the Ukraine is [TS]

00:19:17   completely flat and she said all of [TS]

00:19:18   Russia is flat until you get to the year [TS]

00:19:21   olds but the you know the populated part [TS]

00:19:22   of Russia just flat as a pancake and [TS]

00:19:25   that and she said these but the people [TS]

00:19:27   in those places they don't have any [TS]

00:19:30   geographical features and so they do not [TS]

00:19:34   feel hemmed in by geography they don't [TS]

00:19:37   because there's no ocean there too to be [TS]

00:19:41   and then you spent 30 years it's like [TS]

00:19:43   the Old West or something like walk [TS]

00:19:44   around the planes there's there's no [TS]

00:19:46   left and right like stars no left and [TS]

00:19:48   right it's just like it's just like [TS]

00:19:49   Stockton California it is eternity in [TS]

00:19:52   every direction so why would you move to [TS]

00:19:53   the left or right for any reason just [TS]

00:19:56   more it's more and more stockton yeah [TS]

00:19:58   it's just it's basically like the sky [TS]

00:20:01   except it's under your feet and it's [TS]

00:20:03   brown right and what's that thing called [TS]

00:20:04   we can fly anywhere in the sky the open [TS]

00:20:07   skies theory what's it called [TS]

00:20:09   so open skies theory though it's called [TS]

00:20:11   uh we were like planes what we will [TS]

00:20:14   hardly ever had each other if they're [TS]

00:20:15   just lying around what you you always [TS]

00:20:17   remember what that's called Oh [TS]

00:20:18   positional national/international [TS]

00:20:23   relativity international relative she [TS]

00:20:25   doesn't have a sense of she she met will [TS]

00:20:27   be from stockton well the thing is she's [TS]

00:20:29   from the czech republic which is very [TS]

00:20:31   hilly it's like if it's not a hill [TS]

00:20:33   it's a Dale you know what I mean like [TS]

00:20:35   the czech republic is all hills and a [TS]

00:20:37   lot so she's really she was born she was [TS]

00:20:39   literally raised international [TS]

00:20:40   relativity she has she had a tongue that [TS]

00:20:42   she got into fucking check bones [TS]

00:20:44   yeah and so she was commenting on her [TS]

00:20:46   fellow Eastern Bloc Slavic peoples but [TS]

00:20:51   it was a one of these like you choose [TS]

00:20:53   that she can do that she can and the [TS]

00:20:54   thing is I think the czech republic is [TS]

00:20:56   the California of Central Europe stay [TS]

00:21:00   clear that they feel like because and I [TS]

00:21:03   think especially if you were if you were [TS]

00:21:05   raised in the Czech Republic when the [TS]

00:21:07   wall was there right the wall was [TS]

00:21:10   essentially the late let gene something [TS]

00:21:12   haha it left that means wallow left [TS]

00:21:15   means wall but uh but but she's [TS]

00:21:18   commenting on the Ukrainians and and the [TS]

00:21:20   Russians she's trying to explain their [TS]

00:21:22   mentality and the and it sounded exactly [TS]

00:21:24   like how i would explain the mentality [TS]

00:21:27   of someone from Nebraska or Montana or [TS]

00:21:29   North Dakota there's no left or right [TS]

00:21:32   it's just all [TS]

00:21:34   all it's just all open big sky country [TS]

00:21:37   mhm [TS]

00:21:37   so anyway so you're on the beer on the [TS]

00:21:39   moving sidewalk and you are encountering [TS]

00:21:41   some people from stockton we just think [TS]

00:21:43   there's more thing is like it's one [TS]

00:21:45   thing to be a tourist who feels like [TS]

00:21:48   someone was just brusk and asking you to [TS]

00:21:50   move aside [TS]

00:21:51   but the thing is if you're here for a [TS]

00:21:52   week you'll eventually go I get it [TS]

00:21:54   I'm supposed to move over to the right [TS]

00:21:56   like it says on the fucking sign right i [TS]

00:21:58   learned something yesterday and if you [TS]

00:22:00   get to be a local and like people will [TS]

00:22:02   get that an airport that doesn't happen [TS]

00:22:03   it's the same reason the TSA line is so [TS]

00:22:04   unbearable [TS]

00:22:05   it's just it's it's literally like hell [TS]

00:22:07   because it's the same thing over and [TS]

00:22:09   over people always like you know what I [TS]

00:22:11   tried to put water through the other day [TS]

00:22:12   i'm a pro and i actually tried to put [TS]

00:22:13   water throw up right now on the worst [TS]

00:22:15   and that they got a guy that stands [TS]

00:22:18   right there and shouts at you [TS]

00:22:19   ya to take your water our know and I was [TS]

00:22:21   I was like I was so so what's the word [TS]

00:22:23   like supplications like I'm so sorry I i [TS]

00:22:26   had to get up at 3am my time to be here [TS]

00:22:29   and I'm i can't believe i have a smart [TS]

00:22:31   water in my bag I'm really really sorry [TS]

00:22:33   yeah that's not me no here's the [TS]

00:22:36   dangerous one the dangerous dangerous [TS]

00:22:37   one is the pair of to me big beefy guys [TS]

00:22:41   yeah who are walking fast ish down the [TS]

00:22:45   middle like two big heavy guys no [TS]

00:22:47   offense walking down the middle at like [TS]

00:22:50   a slightly above average pace that right [TS]

00:22:52   that's the worst because they think if [TS]

00:22:54   they think they've nailed it [TS]

00:22:56   they think they are both keeping moving [TS]

00:22:58   and getting out with you think it with [TS]

00:23:01   me at all if they're thinking at all and [TS]

00:23:03   I think they're probably not they're [TS]

00:23:04   feeling like cock of the walk like they [TS]

00:23:06   have really they understand that this is [TS]

00:23:08   not something you just stand on [TS]

00:23:09   you-know-what with a big wide stance [TS]

00:23:12   make it came all the way here from [TS]

00:23:14   central California they're coming to the [TS]

00:23:17   the beef herders to convention downtown [TS]

00:23:20   in the top 10 in the castro had they are [TS]

00:23:24   having a good old time getting where [TS]

00:23:26   they're going but then he had a roller [TS]

00:23:27   bag got the roller bag here comes Merlin [TS]

00:23:30   mongoose [TS]

00:23:31   yeah and I'm like I'm like a little [TS]

00:23:33   squirrelly guy right yeah that thing on [TS]

00:23:34   your way to somewhere [TS]

00:23:35   yeah but I need to get somewhere but i [TS]

00:23:37   also want to teach oh yes i want to [TS]

00:23:40   teach I want to be a dick about it but [TS]

00:23:42   the thing is no matter how fast you're [TS]

00:23:43   going there's always somebody else that [TS]

00:23:45   needs to go faster and that's why it's [TS]

00:23:47   international relativity you have to [TS]

00:23:48   understand you always gotta make room [TS]

00:23:50   for somebody who's like a bullet going [TS]

00:23:52   through that and that's what makes room [TS]

00:23:54   for the next bullet make room for the [TS]

00:23:56   bullet Nick room for the bullet and and [TS]

00:23:58   they they looked at me like I said [TS]

00:24:01   excuse me and not a mean way but i can [TS]

00:24:03   use me like as in like you're literally [TS]

00:24:05   walking down the center of the moving [TS]

00:24:08   sidewalk and taking the entire birth and [TS]

00:24:10   just because you're moving doesn't mean [TS]

00:24:12   you're getting out of the way em anyway [TS]

00:24:15   I i have god I just if we could all get [TS]

00:24:17   that there's so many things that would [TS]

00:24:18   be so much easier to deal with if these [TS]

00:24:21   if international relativity were [TS]

00:24:22   introduced [TS]

00:24:23   well I'm this is a concept that they [TS]

00:24:25   understand in Europe much better because [TS]

00:24:30   in poison ivy lesson rights in Europe [TS]

00:24:32   John there everybody in your nose right [TS]

00:24:36   where the left on the right arm because [TS]

00:24:37   if they make them if they step to the [TS]

00:24:40   left and then they get to the ride and [TS]

00:24:45   put the hands on their hips and then all [TS]

00:24:47   of a sudden there in the duty of [TS]

00:24:48   luxembourg and somebody else you know [TS]

00:24:52   when somebody else's their King and that [TS]

00:24:54   you're doing the last time warp right [TS]

00:24:56   site work so so but the thing is like [TS]

00:24:59   however many years ago it was and i [TS]

00:25:02   think it was like carter administration [TS]

00:25:03   when they put up all those signs that [TS]

00:25:05   said a slower slower traffic move right [TS]

00:25:08   like they were trying to do that in [TS]

00:25:10   America they were trying to teach us and [TS]

00:25:13   one when i was when i got my driver's [TS]

00:25:15   license it was one of the questions in [TS]

00:25:18   the driver's license exam and and they [TS]

00:25:21   really hammered on it like slower [TS]

00:25:24   traffic keep right the left lane is for [TS]

00:25:26   passing oh maybe John do you remember is [TS]

00:25:28   it just me or wasn't there a time in [TS]

00:25:30   america where that leftmost lane was [TS]

00:25:32   literally called the passing lane but [TS]

00:25:34   what has lain it was the passing lane [TS]

00:25:36   the passing lane an entire Lane for [TS]

00:25:39   passing because everybody's got to go [TS]

00:25:41   faster or slower you use the passing [TS]

00:25:43   lane to pass and then you move over no [TS]

00:25:45   matter how fast you're going [TS]

00:25:46   that's right and we'll just go over [TS]

00:25:47   there cuz you're going 65 go in there [TS]

00:25:48   and like live there [TS]

00:25:49   yeah i'm i'm going the speed limit is 65 [TS]

00:25:51   I'm going 65 and no one should be [TS]

00:25:54   allowed to go fast and a plan traffic [TS]

00:25:56   cop see this is and this is that this is [TS]

00:25:58   the i-5 problem if you get out there [TS]

00:26:00   around Sacramento you encounter these [TS]

00:26:03   people who not only don't know left from [TS]

00:26:06   right but they've got some you know they [TS]

00:26:08   just came from a church in a mobile home [TS]

00:26:11   and there and they believe that they're [TS]

00:26:14   doing God's work by keeping keeping the [TS]

00:26:17   traffic tempo down you know like 65 [TS]

00:26:20   miles an hour is the speed limit and i'm [TS]

00:26:22   here to enforce it but in in in Europe [TS]

00:26:25   they never they never decided that we [TS]

00:26:29   decided somewhere at some point in [TS]

00:26:31   America that all that was we were that [TS]

00:26:34   was just a suggestion [TS]

00:26:36   we were just suggesting that you keep [TS]

00:26:38   right but then we're not really [TS]

00:26:40   enforcing that and that's not really [TS]

00:26:42   anything there are some states where it [TS]

00:26:44   actually isn't the law and you know and [TS]

00:26:47   it became like oh let's just you know [TS]

00:26:49   can we all just agree on cheese [TS]

00:26:52   yeah but in Europe it's amazing and so [TS]

00:26:54   you see it not only on the highways but [TS]

00:26:56   you see it like in public spaces to [TS]

00:26:59   people understand to get out of the way [TS]

00:27:02   the bullet [TS]

00:27:03   yeah and you know the problem is the [TS]

00:27:05   bullet this is the other thing the [TS]

00:27:07   bullet could be Hitler at any time [TS]

00:27:08   yeah and so you do want to get out of [TS]

00:27:10   the way of the bullet [TS]

00:27:13   uh-huh no wait a little wheels you know [TS]

00:27:16   it's basically this is really i hate to [TS]

00:27:18   say this I I nothing against our [TS]

00:27:20   wonderful provincial American friends [TS]

00:27:23   but there is something kind of big city [TS]

00:27:26   about it and that's why I think one [TS]

00:27:27   reason Manhattan feels so Brask to [TS]

00:27:30   people but you know here's here's the [TS]

00:27:32   part that's really going to bum you and [TS]

00:27:34   keep you up at night is that the people [TS]

00:27:35   who want you to get the hell out of [TS]

00:27:37   their way on the sidewalk don't actually [TS]

00:27:38   care about you [TS]

00:27:40   no don't it's about society if your [TS]

00:27:43   house is about keeping moving it's about [TS]

00:27:45   getting out of the way it's about what's [TS]

00:27:47   the phrase inner a an inertial [TS]

00:27:50   internationally international relatively [TS]

00:27:52   yeah and so but yeah you're actually [TS]

00:27:54   right but it's very self-involved it's [TS]

00:27:55   very provincial to say like the speed [TS]

00:27:57   limit is 65 ergo yeah i can i can charge [TS]

00:28:00   out here [TS]

00:28:01   ergo I could be at any lane because no [TS]

00:28:03   one should be going faster than anything [TS]

00:28:05   that's why I love driving in Manhattan [TS]

00:28:07   because the rules of driving in [TS]

00:28:09   Manhattan are if the nose of your car is [TS]

00:28:13   one micrometer in front of the nose of [TS]

00:28:18   the car next to you then you have [TS]

00:28:21   positional Authority and you can do [TS]

00:28:24   whatever you want and that guy has to [TS]

00:28:26   watch out right like if you get in front [TS]

00:28:29   of another car even half a car length in [TS]

00:28:32   front of another car then you can more [TS]

00:28:35   or less change lanes at will [TS]

00:28:39   because the presumption is that you are [TS]

00:28:41   ahead of that guy so it's his [TS]

00:28:42   responsibility to look out for you and [TS]

00:28:44   you are looking forward and making [TS]

00:28:47   decisions about what's coming at you [TS]

00:28:49   like all of Manhattan traffic is looking [TS]

00:28:52   forward very different from somebody [TS]

00:28:54   who's used to the on ramp off ramp by [TS]

00:28:57   the walmart where we always politely to [TS]

00:29:00   do a zipper thing there is no merge [TS]

00:29:02   concept in New York you never know [TS]

00:29:05   whenever like puts their arm over the [TS]

00:29:07   passenger seat and cranes their neck [TS]

00:29:10   around to see if there's a spot and puts [TS]

00:29:13   their blinker on and slows down and [TS]

00:29:16   waits for a spot because there's never a [TS]

00:29:17   spot right you know no one will ever [TS]

00:29:19   make a spot for you [TS]

00:29:21   so the only way that you can get around [TS]

00:29:22   and that's not because they're mean [TS]

00:29:24   that's just because that's how driving [TS]

00:29:25   works that's just how driving works [TS]

00:29:26   right and so you just drive and you're [TS]

00:29:29   looking forward and you assume that the [TS]

00:29:31   people who are not in your peripheral [TS]

00:29:34   vision are watching you because you're [TS]

00:29:37   in front of them and if you use if you [TS]

00:29:39   turn right then they get out of your way [TS]

00:29:41   and it's it's genius you drive in New [TS]

00:29:44   York and no one [TS]

00:29:46   the thing is no one ever hits the brakes [TS]

00:29:47   you just are all moving in a symbiosis [TS]

00:29:50   because you're you have this awareness [TS]

00:29:53   and you recognize that because you don't [TS]

00:29:56   really have to look behind you then all [TS]

00:30:00   then all of a sudden like what you need [TS]

00:30:02   to do is really understood and taken [TS]

00:30:04   care of which is like I've got three [TS]

00:30:05   guys in front of me and I'm watching [TS]

00:30:07   them and okay this guy's moving so I'm [TS]

00:30:11   moving into that space you know I'm [TS]

00:30:13   moving into that space inside it's [TS]

00:30:14   almost like a beautiful dangerous dance [TS]

00:30:16   it's it's the it's the best [TS]

00:30:18   everybody's going out how in the world [TS]

00:30:20   could traffic on Third Avenue go 65 [TS]

00:30:24   miles an hour but it happens all the [TS]

00:30:27   time and it's because nobody's looking [TS]

00:30:31   back they could just break the rearview [TS]

00:30:33   mirrors off they're just looking forward [TS]

00:30:36   and dealing with the 325 things in front [TS]

00:30:40   of that right [TS]

00:30:41   ok there's a bike messenger on the left [TS]

00:30:43   this taxicab looks like he's looking for [TS]

00:30:45   a fair there's a delivery truck up there [TS]

00:30:48   I see him two blocks as fast as reactive [TS]

00:30:50   as opposed to wondering how soon you get [TS]

00:30:53   to go 65 on a highway again and being [TS]

00:30:56   frustrated because the because the brake [TS]

00:30:57   lights when do I get to go 65 is I'm [TS]

00:30:59   gonna go 65 yeah yeah it's so it's so [TS]

00:31:02   secretary Hasse passive that that that [TS]

00:31:06   version of it is [TS]

00:31:06   yeah that the the country ass highway [TS]

00:31:09   version of driving you know is is the [TS]

00:31:12   worst and when you when you get into an [TS]

00:31:14   environment and the thing is all all [TS]

00:31:16   like center central cities have their [TS]

00:31:19   own tempo I mean Detroit is very you [TS]

00:31:25   would think Detroit kind of midwest de [TS]

00:31:27   but because the car culture is so strong [TS]

00:31:30   going into detroit and it feels it [TS]

00:31:34   really feels like lineup lineup to make [TS]

00:31:38   a run at the death star you know like [TS]

00:31:40   you just strap in and you just here we [TS]

00:31:43   go we're going in like that in Boston [TS]

00:31:46   oh yeah Miami Boston the Boston has the [TS]

00:31:49   additional advantage of like there are [TS]

00:31:51   no street signs given up trying to [TS]

00:31:55   explain i'm offering LOL streets [TS]

00:31:57   yeah yeah anyway so i love i love that [TS]

00:32:01   experience of driving in a place where [TS]

00:32:05   and and that's the thing about driving [TS]

00:32:08   on the on the autobahns in Europe like [TS]

00:32:12   if you doze for a second if you get over [TS]

00:32:15   into that passing lane and you are going [TS]

00:32:17   a hundred and ninety kilometers an hour [TS]

00:32:20   and you think to yourself I'm pretty hot [TS]

00:32:23   shit you know I'm going 290 kilometers [TS]

00:32:26   an hour i'm over here in the path of [TS]

00:32:28   passing lane there's a bunch of [TS]

00:32:30   there's a bunch of of trucks and I'm [TS]

00:32:35   just gonna I'm just gonna I'm pretty [TS]

00:32:36   happy with myself I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

00:32:38   relax for once you start down to like a [TS]

00:32:40   sense of like there's nobody who could [TS]

00:32:42   ever object to what I'm doing [TS]

00:32:44   yeah you know it's against the classic [TS]

00:32:46   kind of like annoying America thing of [TS]

00:32:47   like I've covered my bases here I know [TS]

00:32:51   I'm not actively doing anything to [TS]

00:32:53   harass anyone so therefore nobody could [TS]

00:32:55   ever have any objection to what I'm [TS]

00:32:56   doing [TS]

00:32:57   yeah right i mean i'm going hundred and [TS]

00:33:00   ninety kilometers an hour i'm fucking I [TS]

00:33:02   you who could who could have a problem [TS]

00:33:04   with this and you doze for one second it [TS]

00:33:08   comes the bullet you look down at the [TS]

00:33:10   fucking stereo for one second and you [TS]

00:33:13   look up in your rear-view mirror and [TS]

00:33:15   there is a 500 class mercedes that was [TS]

00:33:19   going 220 kilometers an hour and he is [TS]

00:33:22   Nell like metallurgically grafted to [TS]

00:33:26   your rear bumper [TS]

00:33:28   he's well you're observing a clap punked [TS]

00:33:30   he is flashing his brights in a way that [TS]

00:33:33   is so angry like there's something about [TS]

00:33:36   the like the flash the brights flash on [TS]

00:33:39   a German car that is just like Octomom [TS]

00:33:43   shalimar she'll like it just looks [TS]

00:33:46   different [TS]

00:33:47   so they it's designed to communicate [TS]

00:33:49   anger you know in a way that we can't [TS]

00:33:53   relate to hear and you feel like such a [TS]

00:33:55   boob and then invariably that happens [TS]

00:33:58   right at a place where there were on the [TS]

00:34:00   right-hand lane [TS]

00:34:01   there's a stack of trucks and there's no [TS]

00:34:03   way for me nowhere for you to get out as [TS]

00:34:05   you hadn't used on what why would I ever [TS]

00:34:06   need to move over why would have to [TS]

00:34:08   start thinking about that right look at [TS]

00:34:09   me i'm mr. guy I'm i'll wait for [TS]

00:34:11   somebody to come up behind me and I'll [TS]

00:34:14   notice them [TS]

00:34:15   yeah and maybe they flash their lights [TS]

00:34:16   or something which is a very mean thing [TS]

00:34:18   to do and then I'll move over when it's [TS]

00:34:19   convenient for me but i'll move over [TS]

00:34:21   one's coming for me but invariably what [TS]

00:34:23   happens is you become the problem and [TS]

00:34:27   and he never felt like the problem so [TS]

00:34:29   much you [TS]

00:34:30   nobody's nobody's more of the problem [TS]

00:34:32   then somebody's pretty convinced that [TS]

00:34:33   could never be part of the problem if [TS]

00:34:35   you're like you should [TS]

00:34:37   me you you're like one of those Gunny a [TS]

00:34:42   bouncy balls in a particular again Rock [TS]

00:34:47   run equipment right exactly everything [TS]

00:34:49   is just to get and then fucking [TS]

00:34:52   gummibär ok guys the ball or your [TS]

00:34:55   brother or glory blog wrong huh [TS]

00:34:59   you've heard of so-called pass out yeah [TS]

00:35:02   I dated a gal I who is in the United [TS]

00:35:06   States you never tell stories like this [TS]

00:35:09   yeah well I'm a very private guy no you [TS]

00:35:11   stay over here in my lane [TS]

00:35:12   tell us more well it's just interesting [TS]

00:35:14   because I'm this was in 1999 here in [TS]

00:35:19   girl very young yes expect [TS]

00:35:22   unconscionably young girl that I was [TS]

00:35:24   saying we have to pass out not to not to [TS]

00:35:26   tote not to say too much but past i was [TS]

00:35:28   down in that area down around the Czech [TS]

00:35:31   border where this is this is why bring [TS]

00:35:32   it up hills and dales yes well and [TS]

00:35:35   really it was more checked in German in [TS]

00:35:37   a lot of ways [TS]

00:35:38   hmm talk more Noelle she had am she had [TS]

00:35:42   a real super East German kind of [TS]

00:35:46   childhood you know like her father was a [TS]

00:35:48   surgeon as they say like he was a doctor [TS]

00:35:51   and he got whatever the East German [TS]

00:35:54   government felt like paying him for [TS]

00:35:55   stuff constant you know weird like [TS]

00:35:58   mystery meat privations you know it was [TS]

00:36:01   interesting she was right on the line i [TS]

00:36:03   mean i think this is that pass out might [TS]

00:36:05   have been in stripes for all I know it [TS]

00:36:08   might as well in oh I see I see what [TS]

00:36:10   you're supposed to go look at the map [TS]

00:36:11   it's right there [TS]

00:36:12   oh I know where it is that's not cool [TS]

00:36:14   ask coat-of-arms Carla Callaghan Griffin [TS]

00:36:16   like a dragon's together yeah really you [TS]

00:36:18   know what we don't have enough Griffin's [TS]

00:36:20   in America that's another problem with [TS]

00:36:21   this place [TS]

00:36:22   I mean you know pass out as a is like um [TS]

00:36:25   yeah it's one of those old towns it's [TS]

00:36:28   like a town where you start scratching [TS]

00:36:30   the surface near like Oh was [TS]

00:36:32   incorporated in 1100 except it was [TS]

00:36:35   already a bit already been a Roman town [TS]

00:36:37   4,000 sure you know like one of those [TS]

00:36:41   generally anymore the story than that [TS]

00:36:42   except that i was at a twenty-year-old [TS]

00:36:44   the nineties and she was kind of east [TS]

00:36:47   germany to play basketball she was [TS]

00:36:49   almost six feet tall [TS]

00:36:50   Wow astonishing is real outlier for me [TS]

00:36:53   see like i like that you know i always I [TS]

00:36:56   always imagined I've got your number [TS]

00:36:57   yeah but then you throw a curveball like [TS]

00:37:00   this every pound hard i'm not hard once [TS]

00:37:02   dated a nice german basketball player [TS]

00:37:05   you know she really large hands [TS]

00:37:09   um yeah yeah I'm worried about the house [TS]

00:37:14   I worry about the highway so that's your [TS]

00:37:16   denim it really is but the thing is the [TS]

00:37:17   beautiful part is and keep moving and [TS]

00:37:19   get out of the way it just it's it's [TS]

00:37:22   it's a bit is a base it's the best of [TS]

00:37:25   America and the best of Europe again in [TS]

00:37:27   a social psychology uh it's a it's a [TS]

00:37:31   method of understanding the world that [TS]

00:37:33   will help improve everything now you're [TS]

00:37:35   adding science with the inertial [TS]

00:37:36   relativity [TS]

00:37:37   yeah yeah you got a bullet you have to [TS]

00:37:40   you have to always I mean all these all [TS]

00:37:43   these edicts I'm realizing you know part [TS]

00:37:47   of what makes them lasting is that the [TS]

00:37:50   that they are flexible they can have [TS]

00:37:53   sort of you know amendments to them [TS]

00:37:55   right do they do grow with the time's [TS]

00:37:58   right not I do not believe that there [TS]

00:38:01   should be Roderick on the line original [TS]

00:38:03   lists who are trying to imagine what the [TS]

00:38:06   founders maybe just don't want things [TS]

00:38:08   judges out there you don't want a lot of [TS]

00:38:10   activism it's true you don't want you [TS]

00:38:12   don't want people who are trying to try [TS]

00:38:15   to legislate from the bench if you know [TS]

00:38:16   what I'm so but you do want to allow [TS]

00:38:19   these edicts to be improved upon by [TS]

00:38:22   future generations because they're going [TS]

00:38:26   to have to adapt to a future time when [TS]

00:38:28   everybody's going to be on hoverboards [TS]

00:38:30   or or in pneumatic tubes and some of [TS]

00:38:35   these things are going to be some of [TS]

00:38:37   these things are going to think have [TS]

00:38:38   been solved [TS]

00:38:39   it's not really a true isn't it won't [TS]

00:38:41   work in a pneumatic tube well and i know [TS]

00:38:44   i'm not sure how you would pass somebody [TS]

00:38:46   in a pneumatic tube well i think if you [TS]

00:38:48   had any sense you'd engineering [TS]

00:38:49   pneumatic tube that takes that into [TS]

00:38:50   account [TS]

00:38:51   right right exactly there's gonna be [TS]

00:38:53   there's gonna be five tubes and you're [TS]

00:38:55   going to be able to choose the two [TS]

00:38:57   right that best expresses the the speed [TS]

00:39:01   with which you would like to be [TS]

00:39:02   automatically transmits be important [TS]

00:39:04   that you continually reach use the [TS]

00:39:06   appropriate amount is nice right well [TS]

00:39:09   yeah I mean I think somebody from [TS]

00:39:11   stockton or from a you know from Kiev is [TS]

00:39:16   going to look at walk up to these tubes [TS]

00:39:17   and he's gonna be like how am I supposed [TS]

00:39:19   to choose this like I'm not getting in a [TS]

00:39:21   tube the last tube that last thing that [TS]

00:39:24   they saw that resemble the pneumatic [TS]

00:39:25   tube transporter was some kind of cow [TS]

00:39:28   shoot like a slide into McDonald's [TS]

00:39:30   playground right so they're going to [TS]

00:39:32   choose the one all the way to the right [TS]

00:39:34   it's a nice big tube slow moving to the [TS]

00:39:39   minivan of tubes [TS]

00:39:40   yeah you just get in there and sort of [TS]

00:39:43   like was Shannon just sort of oh just [TS]

00:39:46   captain seats we just get real [TS]

00:39:49   comfortable [TS]

00:39:50   yeah it's just a gentle wish that wishes [TS]

00:39:53   you off to your destination all the way [TS]

00:39:55   on the left on the other hand [TS]

00:39:56   yeah you're gonna see a line of people [TS]

00:39:57   there in downhill ski costumes some of [TS]

00:40:02   your people in the app class somebody is [TS]

00:40:04   covering them with the you-know-what [TS]

00:40:07   like motor oil they have goggles on and [TS]

00:40:11   they're lining up to get into that left [TS]

00:40:13   hand to because that is a that that the [TS]

00:40:16   pneumatic pressure is a lot higher than [TS]

00:40:18   them [TS]

00:40:18   yes by tighter fit it's a future [TS]

00:40:21   attitudes of extremity yeah you are [TS]

00:40:24   right about pass out first paragraph 2 [TS]

00:40:26   in the 2nd century BC many of the Bowie [TS]

00:40:28   tribe which north across the Alps out of [TS]

00:40:32   northern Italy by the Romans in 70 new [TS]

00:40:34   capital code blue durham by the Romans [TS]

00:40:37   now within the inch dot district PESA [TS]

00:40:40   2nd century pc turns out [TS]

00:40:42   really yeah yeah around Europe is old [TS]

00:40:45   John Europe is old [TS]

00:40:47   the thing about past hours it is in it [TS]

00:40:51   is a Bavarian town and Bavaria was never [TS]

00:40:54   in the East no portion of Bavaria was [TS]

00:40:57   part of Eastern Europe so our [TS]

00:40:59   resemblance to a [TS]

00:41:02   to a check or Eastern person was much I [TS]

00:41:06   think you were interpreting a kind of [TS]

00:41:08   universal Germanic severe severity that [TS]

00:41:12   you know what that's on me she had very [TS]

00:41:14   very blonde hair the varying severity if [TS]

00:41:16   you will but very severe phobia for the [TS]

00:41:20   verity as we call it [TS]

00:41:21   yeah okay and that but you know it's [TS]

00:41:25   sometimes it's tricky over there you [TS]

00:41:28   know there are a lot of Germans yes true [TS]

00:41:31   and they're different from each other [TS]

00:41:32   which is the which is the confusing part [TS]

00:41:34   you know Germany's you know Germany's [TS]

00:41:37   not that big it's not much bigger than I [TS]

00:41:40   don't know rotonda in stockton right [TS]

00:41:43   somewhere you can put all of Germany in [TS]

00:41:44   California because Germany compared to [TS]

00:41:46   like what state would it be [TS]

00:41:47   it's probably the biggest texas right [TS]

00:41:49   well that's a good question how big is [TS]

00:41:52   Germany big is Germany relative to a [TS]

00:41:55   Texas say uh huh and says i don't think [TS]

00:42:01   there are 80 million people in Germany [TS]

00:42:02   now is that right 60 million 80 million [TS]

00:42:05   people at 80 point six million day after [TS]

00:42:11   the United States Germany is the second [TS]

00:42:12   most popular migration destination in [TS]

00:42:15   the world I think that's true [TS]

00:42:17   a lot of people want to move to germany [TS]

00:42:18   who they got they got a mythical [TS]

00:42:20   creature on the coat-of-arms pretty [TS]

00:42:22   handsome how they do they do they've had [TS]

00:42:24   I don't and I think a lot of them don't [TS]

00:42:25   think its mythical haha this episode of [TS]

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00:43:35   woman on the the woman from the czech [TS]

00:43:37   republic i was talking to she was like [TS]

00:43:40   so I mean because we were talking about [TS]

00:43:42   a lot of different things and at one [TS]

00:43:44   point she was like well you know for a [TS]

00:43:46   while there in the nineties all the [TS]

00:43:49   people all the young people in the Czech [TS]

00:43:51   Republic we're learning English because [TS]

00:43:52   it was very fashionable and it seems [TS]

00:43:54   like that's the way we were going but [TS]

00:43:56   now everyone is learning German again [TS]

00:43:59   because just it's just for practical [TS]

00:44:03   purposes at the Germans are I mean [TS]

00:44:06   basically they have um they have on [TS]

00:44:09   solution suggested and land again but [TS]

00:44:12   this time this time just with like [TS]

00:44:15   tourists caravans and there's no that [TS]

00:44:19   and that was a little bit depressing to [TS]

00:44:21   me because I do remember being in Prague [TS]

00:44:23   at a time when it felt like an American [TS]

00:44:26   colony a little bit really i thought was [TS]

00:44:29   uniquely European all for sure but I [TS]

00:44:32   mean in the sense of like the young [TS]

00:44:34   people and the energy that they had for [TS]

00:44:38   the future very cosmopolitan oh i mean [TS]

00:44:41   if if it hadn't been for the wall [TS]

00:44:44   I think prague prague would have evolved [TS]

00:44:48   to be the capital of Europe and I think [TS]

00:44:50   it may one day you know like Prague have [TS]

00:44:54   the disadvantage of always I mean for [TS]

00:44:56   her a long time being kind of a a colony [TS]

00:44:59   right it was an Austrian colony a second [TS]

00:45:04   city in an empire and so Vienna was the [TS]

00:45:08   capital and prague could only ever be a [TS]

00:45:12   you know up a spoke the the checks could [TS]

00:45:18   only be a spoke of this Empire and then [TS]

00:45:20   they had a like a brief period there [TS]

00:45:23   between the wars where they seem that [TS]

00:45:25   there seemed like possibility for them [TS]

00:45:27   and then they were you know they were [TS]

00:45:30   absorbed by the Nazis and then maybe [TS]

00:45:32   then became part of the Warsaw Pact and [TS]

00:45:34   they never had their moment in modern [TS]

00:45:37   times but project itself and the Czech [TS]

00:45:40   people and that I mean I think they are [TS]

00:45:43   the best of Central Europe and it's it [TS]

00:45:46   should be the and the problem is it's [TS]

00:45:49   gonna get [TS]

00:45:50   it's going to turn into a tourist shit [TS]

00:45:52   hole it already has but like there's [TS]

00:45:56   something about it should be the center [TS]

00:45:58   of central europe it's a very feminine [TS]

00:46:01   city it's a very like and feminine in [TS]

00:46:05   both ways like it's it's um it's also [TS]

00:46:08   dangerous like feminine it's and it has [TS]

00:46:13   claws claws out right at your link to [TS]

00:46:17   the the the Buddhist whoppin Buddhist [TS]

00:46:20   weapon and i'm saying that right the [TS]

00:46:22   federal coat of arms and it's the volume [TS]

00:46:24   our Eagle which they adopted the federal [TS]

00:46:27   republic of germany uh adopted as its [TS]

00:46:29   symbol in the 450 what's interesting is [TS]

00:46:31   the evolution of this thing over time [TS]

00:46:33   fucking become less terrifying and by [TS]

00:46:35   the time you get to the standard of the [TS]

00:46:37   federal president it's really more like [TS]

00:46:38   an angry bird like five video game yeah [TS]

00:46:41   oh look that's too bad you look at that [TS]

00:46:43   it did it i mean i remember you get more [TS]

00:46:47   of a death from above thing and now [TS]

00:46:49   looks like you're going to try and knock [TS]

00:46:50   some pics / I remember the you know the [TS]

00:46:54   be so the the East German coat-of-arms [TS]

00:46:58   always had like a hammer and a compass [TS]

00:47:02   because they were building as workers [TS]

00:47:05   utopia [TS]

00:47:07   um and it compared to like the the [TS]

00:47:12   federal republic or whatever the the [TS]

00:47:18   West is the last night's like so the GDR [TS]

00:47:22   was the German Democratic Republic and [TS]

00:47:24   the other one was the federal republic [TS]

00:47:26   of germany is that how it went that [TS]

00:47:29   right whatever the further the FRG in [TS]

00:47:32   the GDR but I'm but yeah that like the [TS]

00:47:35   Eagle seemed pretty badass [TS]

00:47:38   but then you you don't have to go back [TS]

00:47:40   too far to see the Nazi eagle which was [TS]

00:47:42   not that but that doesn't make you feel [TS]

00:47:45   warm and fuzzy but then you go all the [TS]

00:47:49   way back and it doesn't look like an [TS]

00:47:50   eagle at all it looks like a freaking [TS]

00:47:52   Buzzard it looks like it it looks like a [TS]

00:47:53   Griffin like a death Buzzard yeah kind [TS]

00:47:56   of [TS]

00:47:57   and it looks like it's kind of like a [TS]

00:47:58   little kid going i have strong muscles [TS]

00:47:59   like yeah I'm strike certain flexing oh [TS]

00:48:03   my god it's got so many and funny [TS]

00:48:05   chicken feet [TS]

00:48:07   thank you for sending me that the bundle [TS]

00:48:08   swapan isn't it nice and then there's no [TS]

00:48:11   way then there's the the two-headed [TS]

00:48:14   Buddhist whoppin what if you go even [TS]

00:48:17   further back the original german [TS]

00:48:19   confederation will be as wide hided [TS]

00:48:21   think it was invited to drop my goodness [TS]

00:48:25   there's so many Eagles there's naked [TS]

00:48:27   guys dressed up like a green goddess [TS]

00:48:29   said salad dressing outfit [TS]

00:48:31   yeah well let's see that I think I think [TS]

00:48:32   that's the best German ever i've talked [TS]

00:48:35   about that before right the the like [TS]

00:48:36   nascent yeah the drawings right a druid [TS]

00:48:40   worship the right tree worship that goes [TS]

00:48:42   on in that country and is generally lady [TS]

00:48:44   on in all of Central Europe yes they [TS]

00:48:46   really are only Christian on the surface [TS]

00:48:50   and surface especially surface [TS]

00:48:52   Christians and beneath that they are [TS]

00:48:54   still sacrificing lambs to the nature [TS]

00:48:59   God's camp Germans love to camp in short [TS]

00:49:03   pants like hiking biking up to the [TS]

00:49:06   parking lot and hiking down to the [TS]

00:49:08   parking lot of the other side for food [TS]

00:49:09   that's not to give away too much not to [TS]

00:49:12   reveal too much about my book of hiking [TS]

00:49:15   understand yes they do they really like [TS]

00:49:18   donkeys like West if they have to [TS]

00:49:20   yeah but they're you know they're really [TS]

00:49:23   corner they really want some labels [TS]

00:49:24   around anyway I don't know why I keep [TS]

00:49:29   getting cold [TS]

00:49:30   you know I think it might be that you [TS]

00:49:33   live in us in a in a sick house i might [TS]

00:49:36   be a sick house i'm pretty sure we've [TS]

00:49:38   got the asbestos in our tubes [TS]

00:49:40   yeah you have you everybody's got [TS]

00:49:41   asbestos in their tubes yeah [TS]

00:49:43   but i feel you know like ever since my [TS]

00:49:46   experiment and let now I'm not this is [TS]

00:49:49   on casting at my experiment in going [TS]

00:49:52   sugar-free oh wow so we can get really [TS]

00:49:56   backing off that a year ago [TS]

00:49:58   oh I get some get some late-night dining [TS]

00:50:01   at state there's there's just been [TS]

00:50:04   sterile backsliding and I don't know and [TS]

00:50:07   the thing the thing was when i first had [TS]

00:50:11   sugar after i had been sugar free for [TS]

00:50:14   for a long time like whenever I would [TS]

00:50:17   have even a little bit of sugar i would [TS]

00:50:20   i would immediately recognized that it [TS]

00:50:21   was poison like it felt like poison I [TS]

00:50:24   like your body almost 12 reject it [TS]

00:50:26   well yeah because you would you just get [TS]

00:50:28   eat at a rather I would get crazy [TS]

00:50:32   immediately like your mind would just be [TS]

00:50:34   like wow dude I feel incredible but also [TS]

00:50:36   i just a taste weird if you haven't had [TS]

00:50:39   a candy bar really long time ago to be [TS]

00:50:41   the candy bars like this is who eats [TS]

00:50:44   this this is your easy [TS]

00:50:45   yeah and you're and just wondering this [TS]

00:50:47   should be a one-bite operation no way [TS]

00:50:49   should there be a super size Snickers [TS]

00:50:50   that's disgusting [TS]

00:50:51   yeah exactly i mats and that's a perfect [TS]

00:50:54   as that's perfectly true like one bite [TS]

00:50:56   of confection you get the whole [TS]

00:50:59   everything that's good is in that first [TS]

00:51:02   bite and everything that follows is just [TS]

00:51:05   like garbage at the perfect way to put [TS]

00:51:08   it [TS]

00:51:08   it's a camp train of followers and what [TS]

00:51:12   at Camp to camp train right you know [TS]

00:51:16   when an Army moves through oh yeah that [TS]

00:51:18   you're talking about the German [TS]

00:51:21   backpacking well in a sense we went to [TS]

00:51:24   last night watch acting i watch Henry [TS]

00:51:26   the fifth and I ate a point-of-sale bean [TS]

00:51:30   ice cream [TS]

00:51:30   yeah thank you and that you didn't come [TS]

00:51:32   in the fifth that's what's happening to [TS]

00:51:34   me too and you know what what my gateway [TS]

00:51:36   drug was I found some gluten-free um [TS]

00:51:40   granola know what gluten-free granola [TS]

00:51:44   and then it seemed possible [TS]

00:51:47   well I know and then someone else [TS]

00:51:48   introduced me to nonfat Greek yogurt [TS]

00:51:53   and so I was like listen I got all the [TS]

00:51:55   ingredients here i got nonfat Greek [TS]

00:51:57   yogurt i got gluten-free granola I got [TS]

00:51:59   those bags with a near beer and alcohol [TS]

00:52:03   those bags that you get now at the [TS]

00:52:06   supermarkets where you get a 15-pound [TS]

00:52:08   bag of blackberries raspberries [TS]

00:52:10   blueberries and strawberries all mixed [TS]

00:52:12   together and frozen which is it that is [TS]

00:52:15   a technology that like if all of [TS]

00:52:18   California if everyone in California has [TS]

00:52:20   to die in order to keep the fruit [TS]

00:52:22   factories producing cheap berries I feel [TS]

00:52:28   like it's a trade-off that I'm willing [TS]

00:52:29   to consider [TS]

00:52:31   I agree I agree a terrible state and and [TS]

00:52:33   the truth is that the berries are one of [TS]

00:52:35   the few things that have not gotten [TS]

00:52:37   awfully yet it's not awful like tomatoes [TS]

00:52:39   have gotten off or peaches have gotten [TS]

00:52:41   awful you can still have a good [TS]

00:52:42   blueberry or blueberry a good strawberry [TS]

00:52:44   bad strawberry but they're not [TS]

00:52:46   categorically shit like PS yeah they [TS]

00:52:48   have they haven't they haven't read them [TS]

00:52:50   to the point that there's no flavor [TS]

00:52:52   texture of the next relation we got one [TS]

00:52:54   banana now that's right that's right [TS]

00:52:56   there is only one kind of banana the [TS]

00:52:58   other day I look down at my little [TS]

00:52:59   daughter and she was she had a half a [TS]

00:53:01   banana and she was applying it to her [TS]

00:53:04   lips like lipstick all and I was like [TS]

00:53:07   what are you doing and she said just [TS]

00:53:08   putting on some banana lipstick adorable [TS]

00:53:13   and I felt and she you know and she said [TS]

00:53:16   it and looked at me as though it was it [TS]

00:53:18   couldn't be more obvious what she was [TS]

00:53:20   doing but I did feel a little bit like [TS]

00:53:22   the banana nose a banana that's that has [TS]

00:53:26   a that's mostly starch does feel a [TS]

00:53:30   little bit like lip balm and and less [TS]

00:53:34   like food you know this little gritty [TS]

00:53:37   yeah these starchy tasteless modern [TS]

00:53:41   bananas but anyway if we have to die [TS]

00:53:43   verte the whole uh the ball every River [TS]

00:53:47   that comes out of the southwest right [TS]

00:53:49   well you know having a drought you're [TS]

00:53:51   saying you're saying plenty of water [TS]

00:53:52   plenty of cheap workers just keep the [TS]

00:53:55   frozen berries coming just pour that [TS]

00:53:56   shit on to the berry farms and if I mean [TS]

00:53:59   la is going to end up devolved into [TS]

00:54:01   water riots and you know and [TS]

00:54:04   mass sort of like terrible immigration [TS]

00:54:09   and at by which i mean like armies of [TS]

00:54:12   thirsty people marching north in [TS]

00:54:16   tattered clothes yet his la needs a [TS]

00:54:19   reason to be more like either do nor mad [TS]

00:54:21   max that's what we need right now [TS]

00:54:24   resource riots on top of it all yeah [TS]

00:54:26   that's gonna happen no matter what and I [TS]

00:54:28   just say fence off those berry fields [TS]

00:54:30   pop some corn let preference but guard [TS]

00:54:34   towers around the berry fields and just [TS]

00:54:37   let those la people you know march to [TS]

00:54:39   the sea or whatever but keep those [TS]

00:54:41   berries coming but I so i started making [TS]

00:54:43   gluten-free granola with with them with [TS]

00:54:47   nonfat Greek yogurt and frozen berries [TS]

00:54:50   and I felt very virtuous because i had i [TS]

00:54:54   was doing all the right things here but [TS]

00:54:57   what I was really doing was making a [TS]

00:54:58   giant parfait sunday still technically a [TS]

00:55:02   lot of sugar [TS]

00:55:04   well and a lot of just just a massive I [TS]

00:55:07   mean because I because because once i [TS]

00:55:09   felt like i had given myself a pass [TS]

00:55:12   I be nice to eat a large mixing bowl of [TS]

00:55:15   it [TS]

00:55:16   yeah i did not impose any size [TS]

00:55:18   restrictions on it southend and i was i [TS]

00:55:20   was basically making popcorn bowl of [TS]

00:55:24   this stuff and and I was like this is [TS]

00:55:26   incredible you know it's a it's like [TS]

00:55:28   that the the secretary at the place i [TS]

00:55:30   used to the stock brokerage where I [TS]

00:55:32   worked back when I was still drinking [TS]

00:55:33   who I overheard one day talking to her [TS]

00:55:36   the her desk partner and she said have [TS]

00:55:40   you ever have you ever tried these [TS]

00:55:41   fat-free brownies and the co-worker was [TS]

00:55:45   like no this was when fat-free yeah [TS]

00:55:47   brownies were knew she was like they're [TS]

00:55:51   incredible i mean i ate a whole pan of [TS]

00:55:53   them they're fat-free and like four cups [TS]

00:55:56   of sugar fat free and i was like Lady [TS]

00:55:58   yeah four cups of sugar exactly right so [TS]

00:56:01   anyway so that was my gateway these [TS]

00:56:04   parfaits i'm jon is very pretty soon I [TS]

00:56:07   was just like what I'm gonna be eating [TS]

00:56:09   4,000 calories of non-fat yogurt i might [TS]

00:56:12   as well be on [TS]

00:56:14   a magical just eat ben & jerry's and [TS]

00:56:17   butt but I feel like to get back to [TS]

00:56:19   where the jumping-off point was here [TS]

00:56:21   that is why I'm sick because i still [TS]

00:56:24   have this sense memory i saw this this [TS]

00:56:27   this distant memory of knowing how [TS]

00:56:32   poison sugar is and now it's in my body [TS]

00:56:35   again to the to the to the degree that I [TS]

00:56:38   can't sense it when i put in [TS]

00:56:41   oh no you're back on your back your back [TS]

00:56:43   on sugar basically well it's in there [TS]

00:56:45   you've got you've got a baseline amount [TS]

00:56:47   of sugar and which is going to make you [TS]

00:56:48   want more sugar we even if you're not [TS]

00:56:49   conscious of it that's exactly right and [TS]

00:56:51   i think that's how it is [TS]

00:56:53   yeah that's exactly how it i didn't [TS]

00:56:55   begin my night saying well i'm gonna [TS]

00:56:57   have a all of this ice cream [TS]

00:56:59   no but then it was gone you know yeah [TS]

00:57:02   I'm Agincourt that's that's enough [TS]

00:57:05   collagen up the gentle my condition [TS]

00:57:09   yeah as in core wow that's a real thing [TS]

00:57:14   it's a real thing it really happened [TS]

00:57:16   yeah that's thirty years war i keep you [TS]

00:57:19   know there was a time when I felt like [TS]

00:57:20   the thirty years war was the key to [TS]

00:57:22   understanding everything was that [TS]

00:57:24   educates not that's not the hundred [TS]

00:57:25   years or 30 years or no no 30 years I [TS]

00:57:28   mean a sort of sort of unrelated uh-huh [TS]

00:57:33   but sort of not everything in Europe is [TS]

00:57:35   revived third thirty years war came [TS]

00:57:37   later but but but thirty years war is [TS]

00:57:42   like three years and years or a hundred [TS]

00:57:44   years war that's right for the roses [TS]

00:57:46   okay well yeah we're just saying words [TS]

00:57:49   for of the world via century of World [TS]

00:57:53   War when you're in the thirty years war [TS]

00:57:56   is the one that happened in a sort of a [TS]

00:57:59   post Martin Luther and it really felt [TS]

00:58:04   like that was the first for a long time [TS]

00:58:06   it felt like that was the key for me to [TS]

00:58:09   understand everything that happened [TS]

00:58:10   subsequently in Europe and that but the [TS]

00:58:13   problem with the thirty years war is [TS]

00:58:15   there's nothing there's no way to keep [TS]

00:58:16   it in your mind there's no central [TS]

00:58:19   there's really no central figure there's [TS]

00:58:22   no central battle there's no central [TS]

00:58:25   event really it's it's just like all [TS]

00:58:29   against all chaos war that lasted for 30 [TS]

00:58:35   years and and the end result was mostly [TS]

00:58:41   that everyone everyone was tired and all [TS]

00:58:45   of the good things were had been burned [TS]

00:58:48   you know it was that it was the first [TS]

00:58:50   sort of total war where everything just [TS]

00:58:52   the armies would come into a town and [TS]

00:58:55   they would go out the other side and [TS]

00:58:56   there would just be nothing left on card [TS]

00:58:58   and and then everybody just got [TS]

00:59:02   exhausted and and just sort of petered [TS]

00:59:04   out sort of thing and so it's very hard [TS]

00:59:06   to keep like I read several books about [TS]

00:59:08   it and I have this very clear picture of [TS]

00:59:10   all that you know Charles the fifth and [TS]

00:59:12   all these people that were that were the [TS]

00:59:14   source material for all the stuff that [TS]

00:59:17   came after right you couldn't look at [TS]

00:59:19   the american revolution or or Napoleon [TS]

00:59:21   or or the French Revolution or anything [TS]

00:59:23   that came later without understanding [TS]

00:59:25   this cauldron of the thirty years war [TS]

00:59:30   but now it's been you know half a dozen [TS]

00:59:33   years since i read a book about it and I [TS]

00:59:35   couldn't really tell you anything about [TS]

00:59:39   it because it is because it just it's [TS]

00:59:41   not just them i'm old and my brain is a [TS]

00:59:43   sieve [TS]

00:59:43   but but there's no even as i was reading [TS]

00:59:47   books about it I was like the person [TS]

00:59:48   writing this book does not understand [TS]

00:59:51   the scope of what they're talking about [TS]

00:59:52   because there's too much [TS]

00:59:55   there are too many factors going in and [TS]

00:59:58   coming out the other side there were too [TS]

00:59:59   many [TS]

00:59:59   many [TS]

01:00:00   actors and it's just like Oh King Gustav [TS]

01:00:03   of sweden now isn't how he's riding into [TS]

01:00:06   what now his army is involved like where [TS]

01:00:09   did they come from one of those [TS]

01:00:10   different time were like today you if [TS]

01:00:13   anything happened between any two [TS]

01:00:14   countries we would know about it [TS]

01:00:17   the second that happened and everybody [TS]

01:00:18   would have a theory everybody in the [TS]

01:00:20   entire on the entire planet would have a [TS]

01:00:22   theory because they they have a record [TS]

01:00:23   about it and then what it might be weeks [TS]

01:00:26   before you heard about something right [TS]

01:00:28   right you're saying I mean it was it [TS]

01:00:30   wasn't like it wasn't even like the 43 [TS]

01:00:32   can show a newsreel and go like this is [TS]

01:00:34   what it means is pearl harbor right this [TS]

01:00:36   is this is what this is what we're [TS]

01:00:37   fighting for [TS]

01:00:38   it must have been much more local and [TS]

01:00:40   localized and I think there were there [TS]

01:00:43   were you know whole swaths of events in [TS]

01:00:45   the thirty years war where there were no [TS]

01:00:47   witnesses who survived from the other [TS]

01:00:50   side of the story right you got one side [TS]

01:00:53   of the story because everybody on the [TS]

01:00:54   other side of the story died [TS]

01:00:57   yeah and and you know I like I often i [TS]

01:01:02   often weep for the lost human the the [TS]

01:01:08   you know that we make so much progress [TS]

01:01:09   and then we have these sweeping wars and [TS]

01:01:11   kind of like everything is ruined right [TS]

01:01:14   like it in a way like bullets same way [TS]

01:01:16   that you weep for the library at [TS]

01:01:19   Alexandria right like oh if only we had [TS]

01:01:23   if only we had all those books and had [TS]

01:01:27   always had them there wouldn't have been [TS]

01:01:30   dark ages or something but in fact you [TS]

01:01:33   know the more you study the more you [TS]

01:01:34   realize like ads to stall stall [TS]

01:01:37   construction paper and glue that's all [TS]

01:01:40   we're all just silent green light up all [TS]

01:01:43   line up off go into the grinders that [TS]

01:01:46   are under every taco bell you know every [TS]

01:01:51   third person that goes into a taco bell [TS]

01:01:53   doesn't come out this reason all those [TS]

01:01:55   birds hang out outside you know and [TS]

01:01:58   we'll walk by yesterday morning on the [TS]

01:01:59   way for daddy daughter morning we went [TS]

01:02:01   out to get some dim sum as you walk by [TS]

01:02:03   the guy the bird guy the guy gets the [TS]

01:02:05   free chicken KFC 1030am he's in there in [TS]

01:02:08   chicken and there's no because I respect [TS]

01:02:11   his dignity but I just gonna let you [TS]

01:02:12   know it's a real thing [TS]

01:02:13   was there yesterday morning 10-30 [TS]

01:02:14   getting chicken butt but interesting [TS]

01:02:16   that remains and you and your young [TS]

01:02:19   daughter have now made them some part of [TS]

01:02:21   your 5 daddy-daughter routine that she [TS]

01:02:24   could put it away I mean she's no John [TS]

01:02:25   Roderick but she could put a hurtin on [TS]

01:02:27   some dim sum just talking as much as i [TS]

01:02:30   do just talking about it makes me sad [TS]

01:02:32   but I'm not sitting at your kitchen [TS]

01:02:34   table right now eating for people's [TS]

01:02:36   questions about I get you off that sugar [TS]

01:02:40   for people for portions up for big [TS]

01:02:44   hungry man portions of dim sum and I'm [TS]

01:02:46   like I'm I'm slapping people's hands as [TS]

01:02:50   they are reaching you know anything is [TS]

01:02:53   over so it's irresponsible because we [TS]

01:02:55   went in there and at first he really he [TS]

01:02:57   loves my daughter he's always asking [TS]

01:02:59   about her and whenever I bring her and I [TS]

01:03:00   got to do this more he like slashes the [TS]

01:03:02   price in half [TS]

01:03:03   oh hello so we got like 16 pieces of dim [TS]

01:03:06   sum for six dollars uh-huh and then we [TS]

01:03:09   ate it and then we went downtown and [TS]

01:03:13   have people's literally stand in front [TS]

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01:04:12   Harriet King hitter or can tell but [TS]

01:04:15   Salisbury and Gloucester so i have to [TS]

01:04:18   say yeah I had a little bit of a reality [TS]

01:04:21   check a couple of days ago because i [TS]

01:04:25   went to see Judas Priest [TS]

01:04:27   in concert and you know I feel about [TS]

01:04:31   Judas Priest strongly to feel strongly [TS]

01:04:34   about Judas Priest I've seen it was rob [TS]

01:04:35   halford st. robs the only one that's not [TS]

01:04:38   in the band is KK downing that's pretty [TS]

01:04:41   good [TS]

01:04:42   take it down and took a pass well except [TS]

01:04:43   the drummer I think you know that having [TS]

01:04:45   so much fun year old kid spinal tap [TS]

01:04:47   drummers over the years right although [TS]

01:04:49   the original drummer's gone 20 years but [TS]

01:04:51   you know you've got you've got glenn [TS]

01:04:53   tipton on guitar and you've got Rob [TS]

01:04:55   Halford and that that's like I don't [TS]

01:04:57   they were the two stars right we've got [TS]

01:04:59   a young guy plan in kk downing position [TS]

01:05:02   and he's a great guitar player and a lot [TS]

01:05:03   of fun to watch and I i accepted him as [TS]

01:05:06   a member of judas priest but uh you know [TS]

01:05:10   when I was a big fan of Judas Priest all [TS]

01:05:12   the way back to my youth but I only ever [TS]

01:05:15   got to see them twice and both times in [TS]

01:05:18   the last five or six years if you [TS]

01:05:20   movement issues [TS]

01:05:22   yeah i mean the first time I saw me [TS]

01:05:24   actually was walking around the stage [TS]

01:05:25   with a with a cane like that a skull on [TS]

01:05:29   the head or whatever but it was [TS]

01:05:30   definitely was using it as a cane and [TS]

01:05:32   now he's you know he moved slowly and [TS]

01:05:33   after at the end of every song he [TS]

01:05:35   disappears behind a curtain and maybe [TS]

01:05:38   get some vitamin b12 shot and some some [TS]

01:05:41   cortisone in the knees or something and [TS]

01:05:42   then comes back out at the poor guy [TS]

01:05:44   because the thing is I've seen videos of [TS]

01:05:46   all Judas Priest when he had hair [TS]

01:05:48   yeah and I mean he was in his twenties I [TS]

01:05:50   mean he's he's gotta be look at us I [TS]

01:05:52   mean Jesus Christ I'll be 48 this week [TS]

01:05:54   he's got to be 60 right here i think [TS]

01:05:56   they're I think glenn tipton a 67 [TS]

01:05:59   oh my lord and i don't know how old Rob [TS]

01:06:02   is but anyway it was it was speaking as [TS]

01:06:10   so Rob Halford was born in 51 right so [TS]

01:06:12   many 363 um even as a massive fan and [TS]

01:06:23   even even allowing for the fact that it [TS]

01:06:25   was it was great it was actually [TS]

01:06:28   terrible because it was mechanical [TS]

01:06:32   well no it was just like metal is not a [TS]

01:06:37   thing that [TS]

01:06:38   that you can in habitat 67 or rather [TS]

01:06:43   like if you go see pink floyd right now [TS]

01:06:46   and those guys are 70 right [TS]

01:06:50   oh yes um I don't you been to the store [TS]

01:06:52   but just Dave Gilmour is still very [TS]

01:06:54   entertaining life [TS]

01:06:55   well little I think the way to put that [TS]

01:06:58   is that Dave Gilmour is still exactly as [TS]

01:07:00   entertaining as he ever was [TS]

01:07:02   which is to say that he stands there and [TS]

01:07:05   stares at his shoes while he plays [TS]

01:07:07   fantastically right but you never pink [TS]

01:07:11   floyd never ran over and like climbed up [TS]

01:07:13   on the speaker stacks and and said right [TS]

01:07:17   do you wanna watch like there's not you [TS]

01:07:21   know they were just like all standing [TS]

01:07:23   and there was the light show that was [TS]

01:07:25   doing the work so pink floyd you know [TS]

01:07:28   the pink floyd completed the 95 I think [TS]

01:07:30   and and it will still probably be an [TS]

01:07:33   amazing live show but but metal like [TS]

01:07:37   when you when your guitar part goes to [TS]

01:07:39   bouncer to did bound like every one of [TS]

01:07:42   those bounds you wanna have you want to [TS]

01:07:45   see some movement from the guitar player [TS]

01:07:47   because each one of those to chikar each [TS]

01:07:51   one of those is a an ax chopped right [TS]

01:07:54   you are those are the musical equivalent [TS]

01:07:56   of you swinging your battle axe at a [TS]

01:08:00   dwarf and I don't and I don't and I mean [TS]

01:08:03   am i oh you mean like for middle-earth I [TS]

01:08:05   mean a mythical not a little nervous not [TS]

01:08:07   a little but like so you you are using [TS]

01:08:10   your guitar in metal as a weapon it is [TS]

01:08:13   an axe literally and you should be you [TS]

01:08:17   should be wielding it's writing two [TS]

01:08:19   together oh you did you are you're just [TS]

01:08:21   chopping at these middle earth creatures [TS]

01:08:24   with your accent tank and if these these [TS]

01:08:27   guys are in their sixties and they've [TS]

01:08:28   been playing this music for 40 years and [TS]

01:08:30   you just didn't get the sense anymore [TS]

01:08:32   that they that they were connecting the [TS]

01:08:36   they were they were they were connecting [TS]

01:08:39   the dots and II they were playing their [TS]

01:08:42   music but you kind of felt like they [TS]

01:08:44   were thinking about their house in Ibiza [TS]

01:08:46   and how expensive it was to keep the [TS]

01:08:48   swimming pool heated or whatever [TS]

01:08:50   but I was watching just priest at the [TS]

01:08:54   tacoma dome and the be sort of comedy [TS]

01:08:58   metal band steel panther opened but look [TS]

01:09:03   around there were 9,000 10,000 people [TS]

01:09:06   there and not a single one of them was [TS]

01:09:10   concerned with ethics in gaming German [TS]

01:09:13   journalism right there was not a single [TS]

01:09:16   person there who cared about really any [TS]

01:09:23   of the evolution the social evolution [TS]

01:09:27   that seems to be really gaining a lot of [TS]

01:09:30   momentum am applying these are older [TS]

01:09:34   people [TS]

01:09:34   well I mean average age of the place was [TS]

01:09:36   probably 40 but there were young people [TS]

01:09:38   to that who had just adopted whole cloth [TS]

01:09:41   see attitude and look of the eighties [TS]

01:09:46   it's still a culture it's still an [TS]

01:09:48   active culture right i'm drawing from [TS]

01:09:52   the rural counties and it was really [TS]

01:09:55   astonishing that you know like the [TS]

01:09:58   unabashedly pneus of like girls getting [TS]

01:10:00   up onstage and flashing the audience and [TS]

01:10:03   feeling like this was the the best day [TS]

01:10:06   of their life you could just see like [TS]

01:10:08   i'm han stage with steel panther and [TS]

01:10:11   they want me to show my boobs and this [TS]

01:10:13   is my fucking moment and I was like wow [TS]

01:10:18   right like this i used to be a thing and [TS]

01:10:22   you know and it used to feel like the [TS]

01:10:24   dominant culture although it wasn't [TS]

01:10:25   right the dominant culture in pop music [TS]

01:10:28   was always country-and-western we just [TS]

01:10:30   didn't know it because we because it was [TS]

01:10:33   we were on one side of the Berlin Wall [TS]

01:10:36   and anybody felt like the dominant [TS]

01:10:40   culture but now it is still it's still a [TS]

01:10:42   viable culture and i was i was [TS]

01:10:46   astonished by it and an astonished [TS]

01:10:48   because it made me realize that I am now [TS]

01:10:50   living in her i'm living in a culture [TS]

01:10:53   that seems like because i'm on the [TS]

01:10:55   internet because i'm a member of uh of [TS]

01:10:59   of Twitter and of the of the world of [TS]

01:11:03   people who are getting their list of [TS]

01:11:05   concerns and their their social cues [TS]

01:11:09   coming from people who engage with one [TS]

01:11:12   another on the internet i have started [TS]

01:11:14   to feel like that is reality and it is [TS]

01:11:18   the dominant culture but in fact I it's [TS]

01:11:21   just a culture it's one of 20,000 right [TS]

01:11:26   simultaneous cultures and um and it was [TS]

01:11:30   it was like a it would I was surprised [TS]

01:11:32   at what an eye opener was I was like wow [TS]

01:11:35   right no one like half the people in [TS]

01:11:37   here you read that thing and i know i [TS]

01:11:41   know we're over an hour and i know you [TS]

01:11:43   are starting to that know you're worried [TS]

01:11:44   that I'm gonna start talking about [TS]

01:11:46   social justice and derail this podcast [TS]

01:11:48   now that way and put this podcast into [TS]

01:11:51   the into the deep 65 surely fine [TS]

01:11:53   I know you're worried worried i'm sure [TS]

01:11:55   it'll be fine I know you're worried that [TS]

01:11:57   I'm gonna start advancing a theory out [TS]

01:11:59   every maneuver but you know there was [TS]

01:12:07   all that astonishment when a when Bill [TS]

01:12:10   Cosby played in Florida [TS]

01:12:14   I'm listening [TS]

01:12:17   five days after all this stuff came out [TS]

01:12:19   mhm and he was treated created to [TS]

01:12:22   rapturous applause from a sold-out crowd [TS]

01:12:24   right and everybody on the internet was [TS]

01:12:28   like how is this even possible [TS]

01:12:31   we've been talking about this business [TS]

01:12:33   of the culture that I look this isn't [TS]

01:12:34   the culture that I look at for 16 hours [TS]

01:12:36   a day [TS]

01:12:37   yeah right for 16 hours a day I have [TS]

01:12:39   been agreeing with every single other [TS]

01:12:41   person in the universe that bill cosby [TS]

01:12:45   needs to be sent to jail and now i'm [TS]

01:12:48   getting a report on buzzfeed that a [TS]

01:12:51   thousand people in like a retirement [TS]

01:12:55   community went to his show and applauded [TS]

01:12:58   and right and said we love you Bill [TS]

01:13:00   Cosby and and he made no reference to [TS]

01:13:02   the controversy and no [TS]

01:13:04   and stood up in the audience and uh [TS]

01:13:07   Andrew soy bomb' on their chests and [TS]

01:13:10   handsets stop this madness or whatever [TS]

01:13:13   and and I would you know I remember [TS]

01:13:17   reading the reading the the astonishment [TS]

01:13:19   on the on the web and kind of sharing [TS]

01:13:21   their astonishment like whoa I did not [TS]

01:13:24   see that coming [TS]

01:13:25   I did not see that he was going to could [TS]

01:13:28   like you imagine the balls and it takes [TS]

01:13:31   to go out and do that to just be like [TS]

01:13:33   well you don't look at now I'm just [TS]

01:13:35   gonna go out and I'm just like that will [TS]

01:13:37   come up and Ellen it actually worked [TS]

01:13:39   it actually one person one person had a [TS]

01:13:41   sign that said rape is not a joke and [TS]

01:13:43   apart from everybody else is pretty into [TS]

01:13:45   it they were unequivocal that's sitting [TS]

01:13:47   here like me struggling and going like [TS]

01:13:49   oh my god this is so awful and I still [TS]

01:13:53   can't stop thinking about how much i [TS]

01:13:54   love Bill Cosby is a kid i'm still I'm [TS]

01:13:56   so struggling to try and square this [TS]

01:13:58   information they're fine no problem [TS]

01:14:01   hey it's dr. Huxtable beautiful ones [TS]

01:14:04   that work that we're trying to square [TS]

01:14:05   like you [TS]

01:14:06   well you know there's two sides to every [TS]

01:14:08   story or what that's right it is pretty [TS]

01:14:09   funny is pretty funny i bought a t-shirt [TS]

01:14:11   but I don't know if I'm gonna wear to [TS]

01:14:13   work [TS]

01:14:14   yeah it's just like and go into this [TS]

01:14:16   Judas Priest constant was the same thing [TS]

01:14:17   like wow I spend i spent 16 hours a day [TS]

01:14:21   living in a world where we are talking [TS]

01:14:24   about Tom we are talking about gender [TS]

01:14:28   politics and second and and and social [TS]

01:14:31   politics as such a fait accompli or as [TS]

01:14:34   such a we're like we wait and it's the [TS]

01:14:37   astonishment that not everybody like it [TS]

01:14:39   is even having the same argument we may [TS]

01:14:41   not agree with each other everything [TS]

01:14:43   about everything but we had kind of [TS]

01:14:44   agree on the basic rules of the game and [TS]

01:14:46   then there's a lady who deliberately [TS]

01:14:48   wants to take your top off and show your [TS]

01:14:49   boobs while being called steel panther [TS]

01:14:51   place not all lady 25 you know who are [TS]

01:14:56   just like I get to go up onstage and [TS]

01:14:58   take my top off this is fucking amazing [TS]

01:15:00   and and it felt a little bit like going [TS]

01:15:03   to Thanksgiving dinner with your family [TS]

01:15:06   and everybody wants to talk about Mitt [TS]

01:15:09   Romney or something you know what I mean [TS]

01:15:11   like it just right yeah [TS]

01:15:12   oh whoa [TS]

01:15:13   I'm there's a whole other universe [TS]

01:15:15   happening except unlike me if I went to [TS]

01:15:19   Thanksgiving dinner and everybody wanted [TS]

01:15:20   to talk about Mitt Romney I would like [TS]

01:15:22   my fellow internet people I would feel [TS]

01:15:25   the smug certainty that they were like [TS]

01:15:27   you know dinosaurs and fuck them and I [TS]

01:15:32   just need you know i'm gonna post like [TS]

01:15:34   ironic uh Instagram photos of my hold [TS]

01:15:37   relatives until I can get out of here [TS]

01:15:38   but to go with Judas Priest concert and [TS]

01:15:40   feel like these people believe that they [TS]

01:15:43   are like the hardest core I mean they're [TS]

01:15:47   older but this is a hardcore this is [TS]

01:15:50   like that this is the bleeding edge [TS]

01:15:52   right that we are in league with Satan [TS]

01:15:55   here and my kids are b12 shots [TS]

01:16:00   yeah right you know yeah same you know [TS]

01:16:02   Satan with a little with a little help [TS]

01:16:05   same with a little nudge to get back out [TS]

01:16:07   on stage and and sing the Ripper one [TS]

01:16:10   more time this range shot sucks because [TS]

01:16:15   range shot and there's a little bit i [TS]

01:16:19   mean there's quite a bit of sound guy [TS]

01:16:22   helped along the way [TS]

01:16:25   yeah you can I mean you can do a lot it [TS]

01:16:28   was still training your voice at that [TS]

01:16:30   age to spoof it and then you just hit [TS]

01:16:33   just the right amount of reverb forge a [TS]

01:16:35   little bit at the right time and you can [TS]

01:16:36   get away with a lot a reverb and then [TS]

01:16:38   the long delay so he'll be like that you [TS]

01:16:41   know how to order everyone do and you [TS]

01:16:44   just didn't and then when you kill the [TS]

01:16:46   you know you just yell on the long delay [TS]

01:16:49   and that o-rings out but there were [TS]

01:16:52   there were like five moments in the in [TS]

01:16:54   the concert where he had a signature one [TS]

01:17:01   of those signature piercing like and I [TS]

01:17:05   really felt like I was hearing some not [TS]

01:17:09   just read additional river but like some [TS]

01:17:12   maybe something actually helping out or [TS]

01:17:16   some tracks or something something [TS]

01:17:18   somebody was pushing a button on the [TS]

01:17:19   doctor sample [TS]

01:17:23   adding in some pre-recorded Halford took [TS]

01:17:27   to make those moments really blow [TS]

01:17:29   because because there were lots of other [TS]

01:17:32   moments in the songs where they decided [TS]

01:17:36   that it wasn't worth doing that and rob [TS]

01:17:39   was not he was not like making those [TS]

01:17:42   other moments happen the same way God [TS]

01:17:45   and the thing is like you know [TS]

01:17:47   say what you will about the guy was like [TS]

01:17:48   he's always been a hell of a showman [TS]

01:17:50   I mean really almost like old old [TS]

01:17:54   Hollywood old radio like he really lazy [TS]

01:17:56   link up there like with your Bruce [TS]

01:17:58   Dickinson's and your class minus like [TS]

01:18:00   he's working the crowd [TS]

01:18:02   mm-hmm he genuinely wants to know if [TS]

01:18:04   you're ready to rock and roll he does [TS]

01:18:05   and he believes uh he believes united [TS]

01:18:09   united united we stand united we stand [TS]

01:18:12   up on all my kingly the grinders looking [TS]

01:18:14   for me too he believes that metal is a [TS]

01:18:18   community and that it's saved you know [TS]

01:18:20   like the punk rockers he believes that [TS]

01:18:22   metal saving his life and well it's [TS]

01:18:24   gonna be about an hour and 15 minutes [TS]

01:18:25   now let me tell you figure to you about [TS]

01:18:29   punk rock [TS]