Roderick on the Line

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00:00:20 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► yep are my packets he your packets are [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► our handsome so far [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► good good i like to have my packets [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► arrive 100-percent packed with no loss [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► no loss of any kind of the content [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► yeah way back in 2014 [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► that was one of my resolutions means [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► really I would keep my package tight [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► it's so hard because i don't know uh you [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► know it's like it's like they say don't [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► let somebody else pack your parachute [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► that's what they say now but I feel like [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► every time I go on the internet somebody [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► else's back in my parish I hear that [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► sister you know i'm saying i know and [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► you know and I don't like it [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► whatever people say things like that [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► though i can't help but have this lot [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► going through my mind which is what if [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► they're way better at packing it in your [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► oh good point [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► not you your parachute not all [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► parachutes if you had a professional [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► parachute Packer uh-huh and then you [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► yourself was just some kind of like one [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► time Charlie which one would you want to [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► have pack your parachute that's a great [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► point I think maybe is it's definitely [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► less catchy but maybe what we should say [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► is don't let one time Charlie pack a [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► parachute that's right well and you know [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► what I'd have jumped out of an airplane [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► you're kidding and let me tell you who [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► packed my parachute a professional [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► parachute Packer not me [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► yeah because a they didn't even offer me [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► the option let me go and just take care [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► of that for you know what we would do [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► this a long time yeah yeah and and I was [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► glad for it opened just fine so you did [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► skydiving one time when I was a what 22 [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► years old I was going to the University [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► and there was a and I was trying to [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► figure out the kind of woman I wanted to [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► spend the rest of my life well to [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► understand this is a conundrum [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► yeah it goes up it comes up from time to [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► time you think I'm gonna you know I feel [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► like I feel like I've gone through [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► several experimental phases that [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► like I am now a comfortable saying that [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► I'm heterosexual and i'm going to bed [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► i'm interested in women now that you're [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► finally willing to admit that [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► yeah and and like so what is my what is [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► my what who is my my other who is my my [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► my woman partner and I went through [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► several iterations of like well let's [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► see you know I feel like I wanted to be [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► confident and strong and and capable in [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► her own person and all that you know [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► there were also many so many examples in [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► college of people that I didn't want to [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► be that kind of man I didn't want to be [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► around that kind of man I didn't want to [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► be with that kind of woman etc and out [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► there was a there was a gallon one of my [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► classes who had a blonde hair braided in [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► this braid that was as thick as a baby's [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► arm and it went down past her hand tool [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► the turquoise accented leather belt you [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► paint a picture and she sometimes she [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► always had like dusty rough out cowboy [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► boots on and sometimes she wore a kind [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► of let's say blow blowjo hat [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► mmm machinist who she is and she really [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► did and she this is you know what 1991 [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► 91 or 92 and so I was suicidal up to her [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► and she would also like always was [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► really engaged with the professor always [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► you know sitting in the few always sat [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► in the front row so i could see her [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► braids because i was sitting in the back [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► of course so because i like to survey [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► the class [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► yeah I asked her out [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► we went out on a few dates they were [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► sort of it was sort of middling you know [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► what I mean [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► uh-huh because it turned out later that [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► I did not really want like a Santa Fe [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► artist type [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► yeah you know like that's not where I [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► was headed in life but at one point she [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► was like let's go skydiving and I felt [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► like this is the kind of adventurous [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► date that I always dreamt of right she [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► she she proposes that we go skydiving of [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► course I'll go skydiving we went up we [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► spent the whole day skydiving and you [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► know you have the option of going where [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► you're basically wearing an actual [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► skydivers a backpack right or going by [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► yourself and I was like I don't want [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► anybody humping me on the way down like [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► I'm work we're gonna go we're gonna go [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► are essentially essentially she didn't [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► want that option if you're probably [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► feeling a little and dignified if you're [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► like me can I have two people yeah can [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► we all go to backup person too and it [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► was pretty amazing you know i I've spent [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► a lot of time in small planes so I [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► wasn't uncomfortable I wasn't anxious [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► being in the plane and we get up there [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► and they're like okay who wants to go [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► first and kind of look around there's [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► like five of us in the plane not even [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► not even it was a small plane was like [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► there are three of us let's say I don't [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► remember so long but I remember the part [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► where they would have to be four of you [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► if you had a grabby guy down so you but [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► you're saying you like it not to have a [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► great guy [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► neither of us had grabbed again I and [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► and she in the in the moment she looked [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► at me she was like you go first and I [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► was like I'll go first and I'm and I was [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► not feeling any like anxiety at all this [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► was all very familiar sights and smells [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► and so I stepped out on the like every [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► other plane ship you've ever taken [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► except you jump out in the sky [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► yeah except i'm wearing a parachute on [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► this one yeah [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► and there are there aren't really seats [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► in the plan right you're just kind of [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► sitting in its empty plane so I like [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► they're like put your feet on the wheel [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and I'm like a very comfortable doing [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► this I'd put my feet on the wheel a [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► million times not in the air but that [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► not feeling weird at all [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► put my feet on the wheel and they're [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► like reach out and grab onto the strut [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► with your feet on the wheel strap the [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► thing that holds the wing up [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► that's right because we're in a 185 or [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► something that's it [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► the highway in airplane so I reached out [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► and I grabbed onto the strut I'm feeling [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► very confident and then the guy says now [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► just slip your feet off the wheel and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► hold onto the strut and it seems like [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► this it was the like uh obviously that's [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► the next move right and my vision was [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► that i was going to slip my feet off the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► wheel and my feet were gonna like fly [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► back behind me and then I would be [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► hanging onto the strut like Superman [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► with my body you know straight behind me [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► and then I would have the opportunity to [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► decide whether I was gonna jump or not [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► and of course you slip your feet off the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► wheel and you don't your feet don't hang [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► behind you and you're not like flying [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► like superman deciding whether to jump [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► Harold Lloyd hang on the face of a clock [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► that's exactly right you slip your feet [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► up the wheel and all of a sudden your [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► whole body weight plus the weight of the [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► air the friction is pulling at you [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► grandma hungry for you you're holding on [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► it is strut with your cat claws and I [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► was like what [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► no wait and then there's no there's no [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► deciding to jump you cling to this plane [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► until you are swept off of it and it's a [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► genius move it sounds like skydiving [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► hack they don't really tell you that [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► that's that's the trick [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► yeah there's no like they've been [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► through this many times you don't stand [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► in the doorway and the guys like okay [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► whenever you're [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► ready inhale or or the light turns green [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► and you jump because they've been doing [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► this for years and i'm sure people just [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► stand there in the doorway paralyzed [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► like yes no yes no [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► so he walks you through this like stand [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► on the wheel [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► ok grab the strut right now just slip [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► your feet off and the decision is made [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► my god and so there's there's this [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► picture of me holding onto the strut [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► with my tongue completely out of my [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► mouth like a like a golden retriever [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► sticking his head out the window of a [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► car huh [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► because I open my mouth at to stick my [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► tongue out in like a in a sort of in the [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► style of the times like a Shaka bra like [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► and the wind grabbed my tongue and [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► stretched it to my ear and it's just it [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► i was only hanging therefore it could [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► have only been a couple of seconds [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► before I was swept off the plane [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► oh my god and man is it open in that [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► kind of I mean something you haven't had [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► any kind of training for this is where [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► it opens automatically when you jump off [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► the plane right yeah it's like it's like [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► what it like parachuting onto a DJ beach [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► it's connected to the plane with a cord [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► and you as soon as you fall away Richard [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► a horrible horrible way to do that is it [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► only works on the first guy right [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► because you can check the other folks do [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► here put your feet on the wheel well you [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► know I for the people for the people [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► that are in the plane it probably looked [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► like I got out there did the whole thing [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► that was like I'm ready [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► can you go to hit your head or something [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► well no because because they have you [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► away from the plane because they have [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► you reach out and grab the strut kind of [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► far as far out as you can as far as that [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► out as you can reach so you're I [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► wouldn't jump into a pool that way let [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► alone the sky haha and what was [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► incredible was they during the training [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► which is a couple of hours of like [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► here's what's gonna happen you're gonna [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► fall [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► it's going on walk and talk as you go [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► through the gift shop [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► yeah and incidentally they have anything [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► in your heels great we got professional [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► pressure package here don't worry about [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► it one [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► Charlie I they talk about the fact that [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► a lot of people blackout [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► yeah that that the experience of falling [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► from an airplane is so unfamiliar that [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► your body just selected several your [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► body just reboots just what i was [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► thinking i mean ii to do like actual [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► real parachute skydiving where you pull [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► your cord [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► I mean don't you go through like weeks [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► and weeks of training yeah you have to [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► do this where the things that i love [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► lucy i'm pretty sure you have to [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► actually have lots of training and jump [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► off a little block and stuff and look at [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► all all of that and then you have to do [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► multiple skydives where the case where [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► the court is pulled for you right [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► because what as I was going through the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► training I was like there's no way I'm [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► gonna black out like coming what's the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► pool though it seems a little bit but [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► let's see a little bit like having [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► somebody take swimming class for eight [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► weeks without ever actually getting into [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► the water and then and say here's how [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► you doing here is a youtube restroom [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► ready like the head right go right [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► sploosh well so so I'm like there's no [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► way i'm in a blackout but as soon as I [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► let go of the strut soon as I was swept [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► off the wing of the plane to be honest I [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► have very clear memory of the because [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► you i'm falling backwards right i mean [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► i'm like i fall away and what I'm [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► looking I'm not looking down i'm looking [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► up because just the nature of the way of [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► cold and icy the plane getting rapidly [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► smaller as it goes away from me and I [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► get total tunnel vision like everything [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► collapses [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► yeah and i am on the absolute verge of [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► blacking out all I can see in the very [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► center of my perception is this little [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► like kind of like the end of a looney [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► tunes marrano know [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► that and it just goes limp and I can see [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the airplane in the center of this [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► little hole of light as it falls away [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► from me and i managed to fight off [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► completely passing out but just barely [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► and then the parachute and then all of a [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► sudden you're hanging about your hanging [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► under a canopy and only then do you [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► realize that you're hiding under a [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► canopy like 6,000 feet above the ground [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► certain and that is a completely [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► outrageous feeling because you're [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► because you know your beer see your feet [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► and your but keep trying to find the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► chair you're just like where everything [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► every impulse I mean you know you want [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► people to the movies they look cool and [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► stuff in the every impulse your body [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► would have at that point would be [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► asinine to turn into a spectator because [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► first of all I would shoot myself pretty [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► sure I would shoot myself in the plane i [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► would reshape myself on the strut and [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► then i would probably just periodically [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► continue to shit as I felt through the [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► sky 6,000 feet [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► I it was it ended up being totally [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► fantastic when you do definitely at [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► first feel like I mean to be completely [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► I mean I'm just thinking it must be you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► think about like waterboarding and what [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► makes waterboarding so awful is that [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► it's it's forcing you into this [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► situation that your body there the they [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► are capitalizing on something that your [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► body does like autonomic Lee which is [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► like to try and stop you from from [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► choking and they can emulate the feeling [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► of drowning in a very controlled way [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► which is horrifying and it seems like [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► every instinct you've never experienced [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► anything like a freefall that ended with [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► anything but horrible injuries seems [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► like every second of the way at least [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► first you your body would just be your [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► body and your mind will just be reeling [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► with like what to do [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► yes that was fall I guess and then when [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► you're under the parachute you keep your [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► instinct is like i said to like get back [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► on Kelly bicycling you're like I'm now [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► i'm hanging and i would now like I'm [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► hanging by a by a harness and i would [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► like to get back on this chair that I [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► fell off of i would like to get back up [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► on the thing that I left [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► behind and then you know you look up and [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► you see this little insect of a plane [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► which is now miles away and you're like [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► oh right there's no getting back on so [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► now here I am what I'm on is this [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► parachute but and it was great they [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► didn't do they didn't give you any [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► training for the parachute but it was [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► one of those parachutes that had that [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► was maneuverable right it had handles on [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► both you know ropes on either side that [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► you could pull and and make the thing [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► turn so we can actually works it's in [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► them it's amazing it's like a little [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► plain [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the problem being that the more [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► maneuvering you do the faster you [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► descend so I was really enjoying being [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► up in the sky because you're slightly [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► compromising the canopy nosov it in [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► order to steer right let me drop when [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► you drop you dropped to give yourself [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► you know to carve turns or whatever but [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► but it's a faster descent so I didn't so [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► you have to balance the amount of [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► goofing around you want to do with the [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► amount of time that you want to spend in [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► this extraordinary state which is like [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► you're flying that's as close as I've [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► come to it's a flight right an extended [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► flight because there's no sound [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► wow just you just up there flatfoot [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► gonna be here some flapping fabric how [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► long it you know how long it took to get [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► from the plane to the ground [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► no but it was a but it was a five [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► well let's see it probably wasn't 6,000 [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► feet either it was probably 4,000 feet [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► and I mean it lasted a couple of minutes [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► but it was they were peak minutes 35 [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► minutes maybe I mean I don't who knows [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► i'm behind how do you land i mean isn't [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► rolling thing [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► well so then as you come in for a [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► landing you you pull down on both sides [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► of the of the rope and it kind of [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► stalled you like I stalls you and I made [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► a pinpoint landing right on the circle [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► and you can stay on my feet didn't you [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► kidding no it's not like it's not like [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► world war two where you land and maybe [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► break your leg like that with the fall [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► fast right isn't it yeah and when you're [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► dropping troops into Normandy like you [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► need to get them out of the sky as fast [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► as possible get them out of the sky and [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► also those parachutes were not [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► maneuverable [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► so you were falling at a steady rate and [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► you had no control over how fast or how [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► you know you or how to steer you just [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► were those parachutes were just going to [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► drop you where they were going to drop [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► you and that's why all those guys ended [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► up in trees are hanging from from [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► travelocity scotch the whole program [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► they ended up going to and landed in a [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► whole different town and then having to [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► catch back up right had to catch back up [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► and that was that easy whistles and half [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► of them didn't have their guns and their [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► clickers cookie clickers that's in that [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► was this clicker you so but these pop [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► modern parachutes and I'm sure that [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► modern parachutists right special [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► infantry guys I'm sure they have some [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► control over their parachutes are more [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► yeah although i'm not sure if every one [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► of the if you dropped four hundred guys [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► out of the back of an airplane and every [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► one of them could steer his parachute [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► uh-huh i think that would be a [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► clusterfuck right because every every [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► single guy be like I want to go over [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► here and then they don't give details [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► the kids what they want to go to dinner [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► exactly it would be it would be like am [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► it would be like a petri dish of sperm [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► or something so you made it and has she [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► did she jump she jumps she did great she [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► was very much like you know she she [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► maintained total confidence throughout [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the whole thing and then at the end of [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► the day on the drive back we had some [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► kind of fight some kind of argument in [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► the car [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► I don't remember what it was about but [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► it was clear that that was our last date [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► jumping out of the airplane was our last [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► date because because it is one going to [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► work out [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► it felt like it felt like you know in a [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► way it's better that we went parachuting [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► to try and save our relationship then [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► having a baby but it was one of those [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► like all right well let's you know maybe [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► seems easier [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► let's go let's go jump out of an [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► airplane and see if that like bonds us [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► and in fact what it did was it just it's [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► just it's it broke apart [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► oh and then later that summer I was down [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► in Seattle's like ritzy neighborhood [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► walking past a kind of a ritzy French [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► restaurant with a nap with outdoor [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► seating and she jumped up and she was [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► like John hey I want you to meet my [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► fiance and he was some really preppy [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► rich feeling rich smelling guy and that [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► was during a that summer was kind of the [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► phase I was going through a phase they [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► were i was like what am I am I am I like [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► a grunge loser or mi like a straight guy [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► who should get a a banking job like you [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► know cause I like you finally settled [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► that self-doubt yeah thank you who you [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► are what you see this boy was worth it [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► to get through that it was that was a [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► tough time I'm glad to talk about [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► summers mean x [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► yeah well anything was I didn't you know [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► I was just like oh I'm good luck to both [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► of you like hooray for you and I just I [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► felt like right Yes I am NOT at least [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► that whole part of college where you're [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► in college you're kind of looking for [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► your mate and then you're going to go [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► off on your life's path together i'm not [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► sure whether I this is one of those big [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► questions did I decide to trial and [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► error and trial and error decided you [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► exactly what i learned that that was not [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► who I was or did that it ended up that I [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► was that wasn't who I was I never worked [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► and the worst part is when you think you [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► know and you're probably wrong I my arm [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► my wife and I met we're both on the [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► rebound from along each of us had been a [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► long serious relationship and so of [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► course you know you and your kind of [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► bonding quickly in this new relationship [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► you talk a lot about the other person I [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► don't I think we've been together maybe [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► a week a week or so when we're walking [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► past a coffee shop and she goes out [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► there's empty him [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► whoa one week yeah yeah and what was [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► funny was that I felt like I felt like [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► Woody Allen in Annie Hall like when he [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► meets while Sean clique [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► and you know where a nice talk so much [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► about this this ex of hers maybe [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► Manhattan anything with it was expecting [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► this little homunculus of a man she met [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► this guy sounds so so like he's a really [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► nice guy but you know it's it's so [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► uncomfortable hate that feeling well and [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► then you decided to get married you guys [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► yeah eventually yeah yeah see I never I [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► never decided that [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► yeah I I wonder what that would be like [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► what I have to make you probably have to [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► change the house a little bit yeah you [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► know I would have said that for having a [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► kid too and you probably do some basic [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► baby-proofing or maybe not but uh put [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► the poisons on a higher shelf [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► she's still free to go look at the [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► Braille playboys absolutely how she's [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► gonna get an education otherwise you're [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► gonna learn Braille find out which is [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► your stereo system to buy yeah I don't I [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► I all of that College experimentation [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► I feel like a lot of a lot of people [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► take they can look back at their college [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► experimentation and feel like it was [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► part of a project that delivered them [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► somewhere i get the ultimate they can [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► they can impose a structure or a plan on [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► in retrospect oh yeah but then that's [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► when you're still that's when you still [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► young enough to think things happen for [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► a reason [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► yeah and now the problem is that none of [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► that it for me ever seem to add up to a [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► path there's those all this College [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► experimentation and it was just like [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► different it was different but um [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► different little little knob Yul's [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► inside of a lung [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► I was just building like along [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► architecture everything along i was [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► building a long experience an [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► existential lucky [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► yeah it was certain long shaped just the [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► one along a long shift experience but [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► what it turned out was that I didn't [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► even need alarm i was [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► building a long sigh i was having long [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► shaped experiences and what I needed was [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► a different kind of organ I needed a [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► liver or maybe I wasn't even [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► bioengineering they deliver us together [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► the other thing is that you know [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► sometimes just because the pattern looks [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► like a long that mean it's a look [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► well so okay that's true too now that's [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► what that's what I'm saying I'm saying [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► like that's to be to finally get to our [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► age where you are really broken by life [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► and you stopped seeing those patterns [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► you know you don't you don't realize at [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► the time how chaotic and misshapen your [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► life is and how much like at least for [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► me like how much I was always reacting [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► to something that had happened in the [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► past I don't make stop how about some [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► level I always felt like I'm fixing this [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► thing about life and then of course I [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► was you know kind of fun fixing 50,000 [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► other things at the same time and [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► there's no there's not really any [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► pattern to it except that you stayed [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► alive and isn't that weird if you're [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► kind of where i'll end up look at you [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► didn't die that's you if you try to take [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► to me lessons out of life you turn into [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► a crazy person didn't I didn't I mean [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► and ultimately I guess what a long [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► architecture is is is fractals [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► hmm and also the novel is our fractal [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► they're like miniature lungs inside the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► lungs reiterating I think that's true i [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► think if you get down inside of a long [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► and you get really microscopic on it's [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► just a it's a four losses call quick to [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► all the way down and what I was building [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► was it was a fractal was like fractal [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► long and and and what I needed was a [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► different or maybe I didn't [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► maybe the need is the wrong word [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► anything you take away from the show [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► today please just let it be this make [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► sure that you're actually building an [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► organ you may not be building Morgan you [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► may not even need to build an organ but [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► if you're going to build an organ [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► understand the organ that's being built [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► and we might need two of them so you're [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► already probably never gonna get that [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► project finished [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► that's right if you get down inside of a [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► heart I don't think it's hard to all the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► way down oh no no no hearts are made of [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► ugly things right not novels no hearts [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► are made of Valve's em an out-and-out [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► parts are made of valves [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► so our car motors is that right yeah but [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► the engine doesn't beat up those things [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► in its way because it's got the [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► cylinders to throw up the cylinders move [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► kinda like the way to get you get the [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► arteries in the ventricles that was [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► called nobody calls ventricles you know [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► four chambers right that's right baby [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► orders [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► is that right am I saying the right [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► words I honestly don't remember any of [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► I there are a lot of scientists [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► listening to the program [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► yes have the answer readily at hand you [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► think I feel like I feel like a orders [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► an aorta is the main vein here's the [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► difference between us and bring you here [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► in vain visit us in you listener is that [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► we're just saying words and you're [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► listening to this while you're looking [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► at Wikipedia that's the difference [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► that's how much smarter you are is that [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► you're looking wikipedia and we're no [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► more puzzles no I know isn't that what [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► makes bruises when you papa what papa [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► valve when you pop out what is the best [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► present of Papa corpuscle huh [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► no I think that cover your puzzle is [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► what sticks on the outside of a boat [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► yeah you have to capture your heart this [TS]

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00:27:45 ◼   ► the subject line all the great clothes [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► and you'll receive a free bag of freshly [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► roasted coffee unless you're some kind [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► of an animal who doesn't like coffee and [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► I'll send your magazine but hey you also [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► get twenty-five percent off your next [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► order with need so please friends visit [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► need edition calm and need edition calm [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► / essentials are thanks to need for [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► civilizing the modern man and for [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► supporting Roderick on the line [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► um do you think of yourself as a member [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► of the tech community I used to very [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► much so now it's I would consider myself [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► a secondary or tertiary member by other [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► people maybe I don't use the things [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► twice and i usually consider myself as [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► you know a season technologists and now [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► i don't think that at all i'm confused [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► because there's no al just answer the [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► question quickly like it's this kind of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► there's many kinds of people but one way [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► one way to break down how much of a tech [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► person you are i think is how much you [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► are into the technology we kind of for [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► its own sake vs 250 million other [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► reasons and like I am increasingly [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► perfect perplexed by the people who are [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► genuinely interested in things like chip [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► speeds because I I'm not trying to be [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► disparaging but there's a time I used to [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► think I was a tech person but they've [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► always been a little of a content person [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► oh IC content content hate that word oh [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► when I look at pictures of you when you [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► were in college with your with your that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► I don't like a pan and then for sure [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► with your dread pirate roberts mustache [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► you know there's three people I used to [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► be compared to in terms of looks this is [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► so implausible now Bakary Elway's mom [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► Michael Michael Palin and who is the [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► other one but that people use to take a [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► look like Carrie always carry always [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► like on my best day I looked a little [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► like Harry always I I feel like it i [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► feel like you're so you back sorry I [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► just spoiled princess bride look back [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► when you were when you were a smile [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► Taylor back when you were young guy and [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► you were in the New York City subways do [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► get in your army jacket with your big [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► shit-eating grin on I got it figured out [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► your little blond mustache you were very [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► scary always mhm on that hair at that [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► point in your life did you feel like you [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► were a member of a community [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► yes what was the community [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► I feel like at that time I was a member [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► of a few i mean the thing is is I can't [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► help but think of it this one way which [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► is like [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► when you asked this question so it's a [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► really interesting question the [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► technology 12 is like my first thought [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► is do I consider myself a member of that [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► community but conversely does that [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► community consider me part of that [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► community right which i think is a [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► pretty different kind of thing but no at [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► that time I was really I felt I'm want [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► to it's very small school and I had a [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► lot of friends so I you know I was in I [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► felt very connected to several music [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► type communities that you remember of [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► the Dead Milkmen fan club [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► that's right and they considered you as [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► a member in good standing [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► I saw them live in tampa hi Dean back in [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► the day is I dread zeppelin same venue [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► what so i used to love going to see [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► dread zeppelin all there around all the [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► fun time that we had some times didn't [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► we [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► but done and the other ones were like [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► just the this not stony because i think [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► i like I don't think of myself as like a [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► stoner dummy but I was very interested [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► in things like churches of genius know [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► just what would become the super [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► annoying like research magazine culture [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► like I did consider myself like part i [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► was very interested i was interested in [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► extremity i was interested in Walter [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► Hudson the the heaviest man in the world [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► because I could still take 28 408 for [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► lunch every day for Big Macs four double [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► cheeseburgers eight large orders of [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► fries and a quart of coke while with [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► 1400 pounds and so these kinds of things [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► attracted me and partly it was stony [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► stuff but like I was very interested in [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► extreme and of course I was a cheerful [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► paranoiac up being a half-assed Marxist [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► post Marxist i was very interested in in [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► all things paranoiac not strictly [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► conspiratorial but very much like Howard [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► germany was you know sometimes [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► deliberately being used to manipulate us [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► right now see that right there that was [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► a huge part of college for me so yeah I [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► thought was part of all those [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► communities you know you never consider [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► yourself too much of a community guy at [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► well you know I was members of i was a [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► member of a lot of different communities [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► that didn't interact with each other and [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► I felt I felt a kinship with that [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► community that you're describing [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► and you know and I thought and then [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► before there was a term for it before [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► that was called alternative culture it [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► just seemed like all of those different [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► things were sort of swirling around in [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► on the punk rock side of culture right [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► that was like no it wasn't going to say [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► it but basically the big Venn diagram [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► there's many many circles but almost all [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► of them have at least seventy percent of [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► their circle inside of punk rock from [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► inside a punk right and when they might [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► be giants first arrived on the scene [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► they were clearly coming out of that [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► culture right they kind of embodied a [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► sort of that it like you never knew what [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► punk rock was going to produce next and [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► it was like oh now it's now it's [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► producing this or I mean it you know it [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► was there was that there was a there was [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► a an excitement about weirdness an [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► excitement about extremity it was really [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► a really good DIY for sure right [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► right on and what she could you can say [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► that into something like independence [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► but if not strictly anti-authoritarian [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► very skeptical of people with the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► answers in a method for implementing it [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► i saw i was driving here today and I saw [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► a poster for a band on a phone pole and [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► it was using sort of Soviet typeface [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► Soviet font like fake fake Soviet I like [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► that car accident maybe like that pushed [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► for the interview like that style right [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► except not not so not so watered down [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► like like in the style that we used to [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► do where it was like we didn't actually [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► have access to those typefaces so we're [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► kind of making them ourselves or [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► whatever and that that referencing [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► referencing the soviet union in a way [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► that was like four or referencing sort [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► of communist totalitarianism in a way [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► that was maybe a little admiring but not [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► completely not completely so no but I [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► totally know what you mean it's like [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► weirdly tongue-in-cheek like one thing [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► my wife and I bonded on early as we both [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► really like Maoist propaganda art I mean [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► it sends Gordon nursing [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► it's it's unbelievably gorgeous [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► especially given that it's about the [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► cultural revolution or the Great Leap [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► Forward and so looking at these [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► especially even a 70 so it can't work [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► out much more almost like Norman [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► Rockwell like almost photo-real but [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► what's funny is like it you know it [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► isn't so much you're saying oh raw [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► communism what you're saying [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► dude is that oh how different is stolen [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► from reagan right absolutely absolutely [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► it was a response to Reaganism yeah and [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► remember some of that Maoist art makes [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► for some of the best to rule 34 porn if [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► you're interested in searching for that [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► I had no idea because it's gonna take to [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► working on that letter of luggage strap [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► if you take that hyper realistic but [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► cartoony Chinese a like revolution art [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► and you and you make it into porn [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► Oh top shelf huh topshop if you're if [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► you're into light and China as a nexus 4 [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► porn I don't get a lot of japanese porn [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► John I don't think that that's the [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► Chinese that are making the porn out of [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► it i think it I think that's because [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► George offshore a little bit yeah [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► they're outsourcing yeah anyway I always [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► felt a kinship with that culture but I [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► never thought of myself as a member of [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► it because then I would leave that party [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► and I would go across town to the party [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► where everybody was wearing that first [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► generation of patagonia fleece jacket [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► yeah and they were all talking about [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► waxing their boards and I felt also know [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► that this is before it became the NPR [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► look this is this is back when people [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► actually wearing it to stay warm outside [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► well when that was like when I was [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► technical gear yeah or you know that [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► that that that first generation or [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► second generation of Patagonia north [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► face was all meant to just be it will it [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► hadn't become college kid close it was [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► meant to be worn when you're getting [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► some fucking bodacious there was a time [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► when you can't count on this gear you're [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► hanging hanging by a thread [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► you're hanging by a thread sorry um and [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► so I you know also I was a member of [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► that community [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► it just as much that the people that [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► were you know that were like living on [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► their longboards but i wasn't i also [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► wasn't a member of that community [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► anymore than i was a member of the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► research but you're welcome to visit [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► unsane community I mean I was welcome i [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► hope i thought of myself as well from [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► everywhere and I still do and that's a [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► part of you know what I hope is [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► considered my charm you write that down [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► but no one knows but it seems like a [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► certain point in your life and I've [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► certainly been this been this person [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► where you arrive somewhere and you're [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► pretty sure that at the very least the [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► party has now officially started now [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► that you're right but negeri it's [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► everything but a name like a tribute to [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► you right it's not quite a birthday [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► party or a roast but like you are always [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► the guest of honor where everything I [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► feel like I'd be like that I feel like I [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► absolutely for a long time would maybe [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► even walk in the door and say it is it [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► is started [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► who wants coffee it is fucking started [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► where is the canned ravioli [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► let's get out until I saw until I met my [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► match with a guy used to know who i'm [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► out i was standing in the kitchen with [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► him at a party and he was like this [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► fucking party's boring and I was like [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► yeah sorta and he reached over into the [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► cupboard and pulled out a like an [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► industrial-sized like gallon of honey [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► and i was like no this is not gonna end [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► well I was like what's gonna happen now [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► he just grabbed the honey and he opened [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► the honey up and poured it on his own [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► oh dear a gallon funny in the center of [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► the kitchen and it was like well the [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► party just got really interesting and [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► I'm glad I'm not the guy covered in [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► honey like this guy this guy took one [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► for the team he made he made the party [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► because that gonna be good for including [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► him it wasn't good for anybody can [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► discover with honey at a party [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► yeah it wasn't good for the for the the [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► homeowners know honey but that the 15 of [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► us who were standing around and watched [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► it happen it was unforgettable it really [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► I'm how to go and get on the York to [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► that would have been memorably it was [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► basically it was a sheet he basically [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► took a sweet shit on the floor and it [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► took it took the party to another level [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► and I'm still talking about 25 years [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► later but uh but you know I also was a [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► member of the like i was doing an improv [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► then a like theater sports and all the [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► animal thing I knew that all of those [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► people in my theater sports troop were [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► completely off the off of whatever your [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► normal reservation would be right i mean [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► a lot of them were religious lot of [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► people at that time that I knew in [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► theater and profit that kind of stuff [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► that negatives just anecdotal but number [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► of people I knew who are into that were [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► into it like you know there's the people [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► who read the key johnstone book and skip [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► the section on masks and then there's [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► people who really really read the [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► section on masks like I'm more like the [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► I want to make want to be the dell close [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► guy I want to go be the upright citizens [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► brigade guy and they're more into like [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► no like this goes deeply into something [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► about my mind and my psyche and find the [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► people I knew in theater in in the late [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► eighties were very also very into things [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► like psychoanalysis and like having [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► uncomfortable because they're kind of [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► improv was more like to come in your [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► house and ask you the most uncomfortable [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► thing in the world which is like kind of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► your deal to I that is not really good [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► at that a little bit of that a little [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► bit about introduce you to be able to [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► this is this is John be careful because [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► in the next couple minutes he's going to [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► try and find the thing you don't want [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► him to know about its most gonna make [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► you cry [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► it's just so you know you can prevent it [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► it's gonna happen I don't you know [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► what's coming up the key was that I [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► don't try it just is there [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► the thing that they are the things that [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► they least one other people to know [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► about is just there on their face [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► it's written on their face TI and and I [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► wish that I did not have that that that [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► that ability to see I wish I did not [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► have that site i wish i could blind that [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► I because it its it often is not a [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► friend that's interesting though that is [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► all very interesting overlap [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► yeah right and and my theater sports [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► troops especially given that it was at a [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► Jesuit college had a lot of those people [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► and all of that psycho analysis and all [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► of that like hyper kinkiness was tied up [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► in their 20-year old wrestling with [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► their religion you know they were have [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► they were they were a lot of them deeply [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► Catholic and really really engaging [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► their Catholicism through these you know [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► like going into going into a [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► psychoanalysis with solecism as your [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► guide [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► it's a guy's trip that's a lot of doors [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► I wouldn't want to open its a heavy trip [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► in the thing about the Jesuits and [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► Jesuit schools is that that happened [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► obviously have we've talked about this [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► before half of the population are just [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► jocks who are going to own pontiac [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► dealerships and they're headed you know [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► that's just where they go right for its [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► for rich kids but half of the people are [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► true intellectuals and Catholicism with [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► that intellectual tradition got it gets [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► suckled tangled up in people and they uh [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► the conversations that we would have in [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► the and the journeys we would go on [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► because you know its theater sports or [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► or improve so we would go on retreats [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► together we were how do you rehearse [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► improv right you just do it over and [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► over and you just get inside one [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► another's mind let's it's more like [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► rehearsing tennis [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► Yeah right right right and we would we [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► would you know I would leave my like [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► stoner metal party idea and the thing [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► was i I never revealed any one of my [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► groups i never revealed my membership in [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► these groups to one another right I [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► never tried to bring friends from one [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► place and take him to another place so [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► I'd be I'd be like stoner metal land and [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► then be like all right you guys see [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► later out just like you've got to get it [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► going bros and then i would like shake [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► it off get outside in the cold air take [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► a deep breath check it off walk across [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► town and then you know into some [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► brightly lit lunch room where all these [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► like super earnest intellectual Catholic [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► kids were doing theater sports and be [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► like hey guys [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► now get given ok give me an animal [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► alright great you give me a give me a [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► u.s. forte was like those of the various [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► genres all the different kungfu schools [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► of improv I feel like theater sports was [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► really was more serious i mean i like to [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► think they're serious and like they'll [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► close you know famously said you know [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► you want to go for like what's real in [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► this in the in the moment not don't go [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► for the funny and I memory serves [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► theater sports takes up the kind of an [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► extreme it really does you're not [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► supposed to be funny [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► don't do bits know and the people that [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► the people that would come into the to [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► come try out for our group who are like [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► wacky wacky it was like nope complete [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► order we were all like really trying to [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► get every time and cost though they're [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► like my arm my niece is a does UCP in [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► New York and like you come in and like [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► you he paid to take classes that they're [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► great you see these great let me know [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► question please don't hurt my family but [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► like you come in and you pay fees to [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► take classes and pretty soon you're [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► teaching classes and it's kind of like [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► Arthur Murray is this pyramid scheme but [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► it's an inverted comedy pyramid or [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► triangle and this is what happened to me [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► like after the first year our theater [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► sports group was really really popular [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► in spokane because there wasn't a lot [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► going on in Spokane and people were mean [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► we were selling out sort of the big [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► theater at the college and selling [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► tickets to the to the town not just to [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► the college and the guy who came into [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► town who was 24 and started this theater [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► sports group was a coffee gots when you [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► were there it was called guts look at [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► gonzaga university theater sports [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► that's right wow um he started we send [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► out so i was in that first year of guts [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► and then he this 24 year old guy and I [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► think he was from Canada we had a [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► meeting at the end of the year and we [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► were all just so thrilled with ourselves [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► and he was like I have to tell you [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► but now that cuts is going now that now [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► that my brother this project is often [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► and is flying on its own [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► I'm leaving you and going on to the next [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► place and starting another theater [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► sports somewhere else and i'm leaving [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► you here to to grow kind of Johnny [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► Appleseed Lone Ranger character that's [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► right and we were all like what's no [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► don't me because we were terrified of of [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► changing any one element other sure [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► because it was working and it will and [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► we were all getting somewhere [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► you know and and so he said so he he [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► appointed me his successor as like [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► leader of guts first first the second [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► season and right away I became a monster [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► like immediately I I he had like a [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► despot in a way in a way i became a [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► desperate because he had that he had [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► this sort of that the beautiful thing [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► which I which I am always trying to [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► which I'm very attracted to and other [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► people in which i'm always trying to [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► discover the secret of which is this [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► this open friendly attitude and a [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► feeling where people are doing that [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► either doing hard work but they but they [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► don't resent the work because every time [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► they look over at you you are smiling [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► specifically at them and it takes a [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► certain kind of personality very few [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► people can't do that authentically yeah [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► it really does take a certain [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► personality and it is a kind of magic [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► and we he somehow managed to keep that [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► initial group of people that started [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► this theater sports group [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► he kept out he kept people out of it as [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► much as he kept us together like part of [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► keeping us together was but he curated [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► it on [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► that's interesting but like I'm having a [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► small company right if you got to spend [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► all that time with these people that [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► chemistry and ability to not necessarily [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► get along but field work together [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► yeah is important to maintain yeah this [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► message was a little culture there was a [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► lot of love between us and there were [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► people there were intercom petitions [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► there are definitely people that were [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► that had rivalries but whatever they [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► also had a real family vibe and in that [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► second year it seemed that the mandate [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► that had been handed me was now open it [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► up and make it bigger and invite [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► everyone in and and turn it into [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► something you know to spread the love [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► you steve jobs in your john skelly right [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► i think that a technical reference and I [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► did the John I did the John Sculley [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► thing which was i I ran it into the [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► ground or try to and and and and I I [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► didn't you know we we started having [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► auditions for 422 just to bring new [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► people in and because it was successful [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► it attracted all be attention-starved [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► SEO is michael douglas in a chorus line [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► on a sitting there just the shadowy [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► figure with curls smoke around his head [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► and everybody's just gotta hope I get it [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► don't forget it got Napoli that's who i [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► thought of myself downs but the problem [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► was that have choppers well we had [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► because we were such an egalitarian [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► group before that that our leader had [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► been this outsider this guy with the [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► mustache who came from canada and and he [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► was he was one of these people with a [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► big smile who just sort of made you feel [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► like it was your idea but kept the thing [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► on the rails and all of a sudden I was [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► sitting in the back of the room with the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► beret shrouded in cigarette smoke going [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► next next and these people can handle x3 [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► i want to i want to be in theater sports [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► I [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► I was meant for the stage and it's like [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► next and the other the other people in [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► my original group were they didn't they [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► they felt like what I was doing was not [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► in the spirit of of the magic and I was [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► like I'm trying to preserve the magic by [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► keeping all these dorks out of our out [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► of our special place and they were like [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► no we need to have we need to invite [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► everyone in and so I was like all right [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► well fine then we'll how about these six [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► guys they seem like you know they could [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► join the group or whatever and they were [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► like yeah and then those six people just [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► like came in and and we're doing jazz [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► hands all over the place and I was like [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► no jazz hands know and have eventually [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► let us just cut to the chase eventually [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► I was deposed there was a was a coup [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► there was a coup i arrived at a meeting [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► that was that had obviously already know [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► you're really good at knowing when [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► you're walking into an intervention [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► I've been two years you've gotten really [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► good at that yeah but I'm I know what's [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► gonna happen now [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► at the time I had not had not had so [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► many interventions yet and i walked into [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► the room and I was like huh [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► everybody's here already soon and it [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► seems like everybody's all now you know [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► I walked in and of course conversation [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► stopped and everybody turned and looked [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► at me and I was like oh this is going to [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► be sitting in your chair and so you know [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► it was i was given that i was given that [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► choice we would like you to just be just [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► be a member of the troupe again [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► oh boy and not be our fearless leader [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► are annually the american apparel guy [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► but luckily I've you go buddy time for [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► you to go but the end so the leadership [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► is going to switch over into a [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► democratic form where they're going to [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► be four leaders how what could possibly [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► go wrong and i was like i would rather [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► burn [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► I would rather burn i would rather burn [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► this theater with all of us in it [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► wouldn't be a member of this garbage [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► this garbage arrangement and so I [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► stormed I ran out into the snow and some [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► and one of the girls chased me for chase [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► me out into the field chain shame and I [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► think it's not one I need a job what's [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► the occupation ok pizza at one point I [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► might have even tripped in the snow [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► no John and I fell in the snow and yet [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► the end and she she came and and try to [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► console me it was all very dramatic but [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► we were we were artists we as we were [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► theater artists and then then I stayed [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► away and then the final show of the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► season of guts year too [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► i watch the show from high up in the [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► rafters above the victim if you like a [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► family over exactly like that happen and [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► at one point during during a scene [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► the girl who had chased me out into the [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► snow my love interest on guts was doing [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► was doing a scene and somebody said you [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► know like give me an animal and it was [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► like Amy goal and she looked up and you [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► know pointed up in the middle of her of [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► a scene like there goes the eagle and [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► she pointed at me and then she saw me [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► oh no she saw me hanging up in the ropes [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► and and she looked and she made eye [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► contact with me and big smile and i [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► smiled down to her from five feet five [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► stories up and it was just like my life [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► really is a movie you slugged back to [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► her organ room and it's my role the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► suite j and the rafter and i was like [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► i'm i'm a member of no group everybody [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► this dog and at me [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► there's own don't know I'm just thinking [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► of this now but and I something a few [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► weeks ago turns out this story about [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► where clicks are more likely to form and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► whether or not likely to form and it [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► turns out part being that there aren't [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► nearly as many clicks in like high [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► schools as people would have you believe [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► in the changes on this based on the size [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► of the high school but you don't have to [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► say there's this part of me that feels [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► like so much of my idea [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► this is so obvious and so don't but it's [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► so much of what I think something like [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► high school was supposed to look like I [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► think was kind of largely based on John [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► Hughes movies or things you know the [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► things that movies that became that [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► would be preceded it [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► you know that they're real or even you [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► know she treating the outsiders or [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► whatever but I really got this idea of [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► the different groups and things when you [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► look back in retrospect there's a lot [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► more subtle subtlety to it then you [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► realize that the time you know that's [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► why is that again i can show like freaks [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► and geeks really captures that really [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► captures the idea that now you may be [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► striving to have these cooler friends [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► but you still got your left school [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► friends and and that I even that can [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► change like suddenly your friend gets a [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► growth spurt and becomes a sports star [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► or something there's always ways with [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► it's much more fluid than I remember it [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► seeming at the time it all felt very [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► carved in stone and we're retrospect I [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► realize what a clusterfuck the whole [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► thing was for everybody [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► well and tribulations you know I'm [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► saying that makes absolutely absolutely [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► and in in high school at my high school [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► experience was was was very John qz my [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► college experience was where i got can [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► make up very confused and I and I and I [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► really didn't understand where I [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► belonged in fact the college friends [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► that I have still the the people I knew [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► in college that are still friends of [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► mine were the guys that I [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► but I wasn't friends with in college [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► really or or was it was it was a it was [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► very fraught that you know because it [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► because i was in school in spokane there [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► was a whole component of the people that [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► came to that school who were from [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► Montana and North Dakota and Idaho who [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► were mostly Catholics all Catholics um [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► and by Alaskan standards they were they [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► were clearly wild kids right they were [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► from these towns these tiny Western [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► towns where you would drive for seven [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► hours to get to buildings like oh we [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► gotta get you know we need a new part [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► for the tractor well we got everybody in [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► the truck and throw a couple of hay [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► bales in the back for the kids and then [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► we're going to drive for seven hours to [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► get to buildings [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► I mean that will do a job on you as a [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► kid for sure and you know its water [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► these 11 horse towns right like a-a-a-a [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► western town with a main street makes um [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► you have such different expectations and [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► such different [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► what's the word I'm looking for but it's [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► like if you you know i remember the [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► first in the first several times I went [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► to Manhattan immediately experiencing [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► experiencing having that feeling of hate [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► that work contributes experienced [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► something i had killers fire stop saying [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► uh-huh um anyway I was heavily impacted [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► / that feeling of options iety like we [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► over the village voice and you know [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► where as in back in Florida you plan [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► ahead you know but what band you would [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► see three weeks from now and you open up [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► a paper and like just in the village [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► voice like just within walking distance [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► of where you are there's like 10 of your [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► favorite bands playing right and any the [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► result of that is if you're like me is [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► just going to just sit here and if you [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► watch golden girls or whatever right [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► your brain turns to mush [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► yeah yeah and I mean I wonder if is like [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► people did that really nice really feel [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► like the big city for somebody who's [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► used to drive into Billings so I went [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► back with so anyway these guys I thought [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► of them as the Montana boys and they all [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► had grey cowboy boots they all sort of [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► dip snuff at is at a distance you would [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► think that they were just pics just [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► ignorant dummies but then you would meet [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► them and you realize like oh shit this [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► is this kid is the smartest kid from his [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► town he is the kid from whatever town [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► that got to spokane to go to college and [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► that they can he achieve not to be [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► unkind but he achieved escape velocity [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► in a way that must seem impossible to a [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► lot of other people [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► yeah astonishing and so these guys were [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► wise and they were they were sharp only [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► have like somewhat grateful [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► uh yeah well and also but also like [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► again coming from a pretty religious [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► background and from a very small [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► initially very small world in which [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► spokane was like big big world and um [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► and so there was a lot of culture clash [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► between us initially because even coming [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► from Alaska I was much more worldly and [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► honestly their initial take on me was [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► that I was a fag right i mean you know I [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► showed up in school and I was like [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► everybody come on let's go away and I [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► was wearing a bowtie whatever they were [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► just like no thank you [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► this guy is a queer and it was only [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► through you know is only through my [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► willingness to throw myself through a [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► plate-glass window over time but they [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► were like huh [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► she's a pretty rowdy queer [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► she's a pretty rowdy queer [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► like that's right rowdy clear that is [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► pretty much you got that right cowboy I [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► second that's my drag name rally bowtie [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► spin and so it ends up now that we're [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► really good i'm still really good [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► buddies with those guys because what [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► because our relationship evolved over [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► time in a way that they had a lot of [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► suspicions about me and I had a ton of I [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► thought I knew I thought I knew them to [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► it that they were just hick Republican [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► right you know nobody's and now I I like [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► they're the ones that i still am close [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► well and i have to i had that weird time [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► at one point during college we went I [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► went on a road trip with these guys to [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► Sun Valley a car full of the Montana [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► boys and they were bringing me along [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► kind of like like a Nazca ya like hey [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► we're gonna guess what we're all going [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► to Sun Valley and we're taking the [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► career [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► what's that what could happen anything [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► could happen [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► we got to Sun Valley one of these guys [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► had an uncle who lived in sun valley who [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► took us into his house he's one of these [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► guys walking around the house smoking a [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► cigar tricks into the house and he had a [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► walk-in safe full of machine guns [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► it was like you guys want to see my guns [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► and I was like yes and he what we walked [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► through the bedroom and there's a vault [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► like above a fucking volt and the door [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► opens and you can walk in and is not [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► just a heavy locked door it's like a [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► solid of room an impenetrable room it's [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► basically a I felt a bank vault or or [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► what a panic room [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► yeah but it's for that there's an [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► arsenal in there and that was just the [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► one that was just the one that was just [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► the aspect of his house that he was [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► willing to show his nephews college [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► friends like she didn't see but as part [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► of this road trip we went to we went to [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► Butte Montana which um which you could [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► charitably described as the asshole of [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► the universe right i mean it's pretty [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► bad there Richard he's elected [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► hey i'm gerry did I think you did [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► that's a Richard Hugo a reference my [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► second finger at at at one minute [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► exactly one hour exactly a rigid you [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► know and what I want to let you know [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► it's about an hour so don't start [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► talking about politics i'll mention mr. [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► Hugh ok alright that'll be our comes [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► anyway you got that you got the gun safe [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► you'll see it as guys will go we go to [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► butte and we go to visit one of these [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► guys is housed in butte and a lot of [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► them were from Butte which you know it's [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► not know I wouldn't call it a big town [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► but it's a big town in an apartment [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► government anyway this kid was from one [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► of the best families in butte and their [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► home was a beautiful home like with [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► columns columns like stone columns as I [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► felt like old money old money right [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► gracious living room and a ver and the [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► family very elegant family and likes [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► that maybe there was silver money there [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► and yet this gracious home which in San [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► Francisco would be a 40 million dollar [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► home is two blocks from the Berkeley pit [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► in downtown butte downtown Butte which I [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► still believe an enterprising software [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► person could buy the entire town like [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► the whole place just has a feeling of [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► like a bomb went off in the center of [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► the town which it did in the form of [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► that silver mine and and the this [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► contrast of like oh this this guy that I [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► thought was just kind of like a western [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► town dingaling [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► is is from this incredible place this [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► like beautiful this elegant gracious [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► family in a gracious home in a town of a [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► few thousand people really perched on [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► the lip of the world and i have no way [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► of understanding where he's from [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► right you know like I think there's [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► there was no way for me to really get my [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► head around like just the contrasts just [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► the study in contrasts of that one kids [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► experience let alone that his uncle had [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► a safe full of machine guns but you know [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► it's fine yesterday I heard just a [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► little bit of Jesse thorn interviewing a [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► what's-his-name Offerman you know Ron [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► Swanson oh yeah Keith Keith Keith [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► nothing is it Keith Offerman now keep [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► the read the sports guy i don't know i [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► mean Ron Swanson from the curse curse [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► his name is a million Ron Swanson and [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► here down Nick Offerman Gary Gary Nick [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► Gary he seems interviewing McGary this [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► kind of famous he talked about how he's [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► going out like there's this rep for [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► being you know there's this manly man [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► guy and yeah she got a mustache right [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► he's the one exactly looks like an angry [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► cat and he said he was raised and like [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► rural ish i guess Illinois and long [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► story short looks like you know [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► everybody's talking like it's pretty [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► funny to him because you know he yes he [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► does own and have employees to do [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► woodworking like he actually does you [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► know make furniture and stuff [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► many is like a manly man but also like [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► he's the only one in his family that [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► went to school for theater and took two [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► semesters of ballet so you know it's the [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► kind of thing where like I guess you're [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► trying to say is that alright we're not [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► he's a rowdy where g is probably jump [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► through share plate-glass windows but i [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► think part of it like getting in this [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► just shows you how how productive i am I [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► guess but sometimes it seems like except [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► for the most tolerable people in your [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► life you will have like a 1-bit [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► description for almost everybody will be [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► this 11 bit flips and you go oh he's a [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► football jock [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► or you know she's a theater nerd or you [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► know he's he's a nerdy programmer or [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► whatever and so must i think that's in [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► order to survive you know with many many [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► people around us like the older we get [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► the more were instantly making one big [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► decisions about people going oh you fit [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► in this box you fit in that box you put [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► in that box and there may be people [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► where you get one bit plus a little bit [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► of an axis where you go like oh like you [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► know he's he's a and I get it he's a [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► manly man actor but he also has taken [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► ballet haha isn't that interesting but I [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► think what happens is when you get too [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► much past that one bit thing especially [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► with strangers you quickly go from I get [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► you because you're in this box to you [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► are weird and weird is when you don't [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► understand what feels like a conflict [TS]

01:06:59 ◼   ► about to into your apprehension of [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► somebody if you look at John Roderick [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► and go like wow he sure he you eat he [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► drinks a lot he dresses like a preppy he [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► does theater sports and he was really [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► trying to like make it with this girl in [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► a turquoise belt like you know that just [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► makes you weird because there's not one [TS]