Roderick on the Line

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00:00:23 ◼   ► hello hi John Admiral mmm yeah I'm [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► we got to put that on a shirt i wonder [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► how you spell it lots of peas and bees [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► things are things are good things are [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► it's a i have not been sleeping enough [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► oh dear I stay up late and then I wake [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► up early and that's the that's a bad [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► combo [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► uh-huh that leads to some five hours of [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► sleep pneus uh-huh five hours of sleep [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► and then several days in a row and then [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► pretty soon you're like huh I wonder why [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► I feel like killing people [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► mm because i have been sleeping enough [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► homicidal of sleep deprivation [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► yeah now it's just the worst i mean you [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► know you can you can do one of those you [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► do a couple of those and you know and [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► also the thing is if your ice [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► I don't know if it's because you're busy [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► you're not busy or you're super busy but [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► like if you're really busy [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► yeah deadline and you do that you get [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► some kind of like an adrenaline thing we [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► get mad at the right thing [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► hmm you don't mean you're like that I [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► work well under those circumstances [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► yeah but last night I was lying in bed [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► and by the way happy happy new year John [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► who is it [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► oh yeah thank you as a few i had a [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► pretty good new year [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► yeah so I picture a pretty good new your [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► time the guy across the street that's [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► living in the van that I realized it is [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► name isn't vani it's gary and of course [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► if you're living in a van behind a hedge [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► question is Gary get married why is that [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► such a perfect name [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► I don't know Gary and he and I have had [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► several encounters lately and gary has a [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► has that thing where you see him and you [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► talked to him for 45 minutes and they [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► see in the next day and and he's never [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► met you before but I so i ended up [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► I've tried to call my across-the-street [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► neighbor several times and it's what [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► it's a thing where the the anonymous [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► voicemail [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► voice answers the phone and says the [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► mailbox is full and then just hangs up [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► on you and it's and it's a weird voice [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► it's not the voice that you normally [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► hear it's like a voice that you might [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► hear if you bought your phone at a gas [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► station [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► yeah i got verizon voice or something [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► some kind of weird voice where it's like [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► up the moist message bell box you're [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► trying to reach is full [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► click and so I was like uh you know [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► Gary's out there is the ellen is yelling [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► into the phone he's yelling at his [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► ex-wife just one o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► I don't wanna die I you know I don't [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► want him with the fire hose but [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► something's got you know like when i [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► started that he won't remember the next [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► day likely i started to ask myself the [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► question [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► hey what's the long game here is Gary [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► gonna live in the van in the front yard [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► of my neighbors house for another year [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► or two years or five years like there's [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► a little bit starting to he's a very [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► angry guy and I have a little kid right [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► so I so I called the neighbor went to [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► straight to voicemail but then [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► miraculously she called me back [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► associations she's just for folks who [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► haven't been following this you're [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► pretty worried about her for awhile you [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► haven't seen her in a while there are [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► people moving in and out there appeared [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► to be some parties a lot of corners [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► looking good is coming in and out of the [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► house it was a bad scene for a while and [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► then it calm down and you know and there [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► was a kind of a new normal which was at [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► least it's quiet on the set and the the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► regular characters are there but I [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► hadn't seen her in a long time but I [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► figured you know I figured if they had [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► if they buried her in a shallow grave [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► they wouldn't just be coming and going [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► with with the like 7-11 bags and stuff [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► you know they'd be hightailing it or [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► they be stripping the copper pipes or [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► something right [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► anyway I called her she called me back [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► as one o'clock in the morning she's like [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► hey I saw that you called and I was like [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► hi haven't talked in a long time [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► she's like hi nice to hear from you it's [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► 1am and in between our two houses there [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► are two things there's a a laurel hedge [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that's 25 feet tall and there is a 1968 [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► ford van slowly rusting into the ground [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► with four flat tires emulated by gary [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► and in the middle of the van is Gary and [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► gary is and there's an extension cord [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► running from the van to the to the [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► outlet on the front of her house and [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► gary is audible to me quite audible in [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► the van going got tough to get it [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► fuck you to you know just like having a [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► an explosion of Rage 470 Sam that's been [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► lasting for like you know long enough [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► it's been lasting long enough that I did [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► I decided I was gonna like call my [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► neighbor and she's like what's going on [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► i'm like i'm calling about Gary and she [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► was like yeah I mean yeah I couldn't you [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► know I can make it easy for me okay Gary [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► time and even suck air she didn't go [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► yeah Gary no no nothing just like yeah [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► and I think what it is is that there is [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► a place in her house she can go where [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► she doesn't hear Carrie and there and I [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► mean there are places in my house where [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► I can go but what those places are not [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► my living room or bedroom and I'm like [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► Carrie is it Gary I have to be honest [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► with you Gary starting to be a problem [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► for me and she's like yeah and then she [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► does kind of soften and she's like yeah [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► Gary Gary needs to go and I'm like I [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► don't want to be the one to say it but [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► you know Gary I think I really think [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► Gary's got to go and she was like yeah [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► he's really going to be a problem he [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► started to he's cussing me out now and [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► I'm like I know you want to help Gary [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► but I started out is to do you remember [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► right that it started out as her kind of [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► helping rehab him [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► yeah she's talked for a while she was [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► gonna run a little rehab house there and [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► then she got engaged to one of the guys [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► and then the other guy sucking covered [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► in his van for a year at least [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► and so we had a very nice conversation [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► about how Gary needed to hustle up but [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► you know shuffle off to Buffalo and on [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► the one hand i'm thinking you know it's [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► the holidays right around the new year [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► it's a vulnerable time for everybody [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► maybe maybe I should take a softer line [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► on Gary right now and then the other [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► voice in my head was like what [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► well fuck Gary [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► uh everybody hits the bottom and [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► sometimes your bottom is that uh the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► next door neighbor finally calls and [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► says that you that there that he's going [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► to send a tow truck for your van [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► are you there still no yeah no no I'm [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► listen I'm thinking so is its diff it's [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► so difficult because it's difficult when [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► I have those conversations I'm braced [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► for it to go poorly and you know and I I [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► don't want to be comforted hate being [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► confrontational with people about stuff [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that is right on the bubble of their [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► business and not my business yeah you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► have so uncomfortable about I really you [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► know it's whether it's a teenager having [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► a party or somebody parking in the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► driveway or whatever I just think like [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► how much of this is in my head [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► personally how much this is in my head [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► and I could just be a fucking gentleman [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► and let it go and when you have a nice [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► conversation [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► I don't feel that much better because [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► now I really do feel like a party pooper [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► want to have that conversation one also [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► now we broach the topic so if Gary's [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► still there in a week which he [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► absolutely is going to be then there's a [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► new uncomfortableness which is we talked [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► about Gary getting the Gary getting gone [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► and now there's the there's the there's [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► the implication of a timeline because [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► we've had a conversation about it and [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► she's implicitly agreed that it should [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► yeah implicitly that it will happen yeah [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that it will happen and so then it's [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► like every time I see her now it's like [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► so how's it going with Gary are we where [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► we add on that and that is like not [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► that's not a relationship i want to have [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► with her you know I she she definitely [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► has an uphill climb and I mean for a [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► year [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► I've I haven't said a word about it [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► because it because it does it falls into [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► that category like well it's on her [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► property and it is her business and if [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► gary was her boyfriend and he was in [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► drunkenly screaming into the phone every [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► night and be like well that's just what [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► happens when you live in a neighborhood [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► right right but gary is it fair to the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► crucial distinction which is gary is [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► living in the front yard and the front [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► yard is enough of a puppet that it's not [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► it's still on her property but it [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► it is public space in the center and [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► John it is a van [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► it's a van and it's that mean that year [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► is a long time for someone to live in a [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► van it softens front yard and you know [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► that's getting the driveway that's [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► Gary's life choice or whatever but the [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► thing is the van is tucked behind this [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► Laurel head in a way that the cops are [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► not aware it's there nobody's aware it's [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► there I thought about it the other day [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► if the hedge wasn't there and it was [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► just this rusting ass piece of shit man [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► with an extension cord going in one of [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► the windows and a guy in there yelling [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► into his phone [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► like other people would have taken [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► notice but and you know and like health [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► and human services or whatever would [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► have said are you bigger you pissing in [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► a bucket like where how much access does [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► Gary have to the house and have and like [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► that's a crucial especially if your if [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► your chronic alcoholic like sometimes [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► you gotta go to the bathroom [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► I just always think about fires I don't [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► know why as i get older i think about [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► like you know maybe Gary nods off the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► marlboro red going mmm not so you know [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► next thing you know it's a piece like [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► it's the keys a can of beans and his [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► quarters are just single because my next [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► book my other next-door neighbor Patrick [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► Patrick everybody's feelings Justin [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► Patrick will drop a little science on me [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► every once awhile about Gary's like to [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► hear that guy here that guy out there [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► slamming his van door and stuff in the [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► middle of night and I'm like oh I hear [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► him Patrick go Patrick is is definitely [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► on he he airs on the other side of like [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► what happens on your property is your [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► business [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► Patrick's also the guy that that fired a [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► gun in the air when some teenage kid [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► climbed on the roof to Patrick right [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► talk to the talk to his teenage daughter [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and so I mean I know Patrick when the [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► chips are down Patrick's capable of like [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► handling a situation if you needed to do [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► of for Gary extraction capture him in [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► his underwear with a gun in the street [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► something something again back and I [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► think I think Patrick's actually you [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► know off the sauce to do so the whole [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► neighborhood's cleaning up but the like [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► carries the last [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► he's the last of the mohicans and uh and [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► I just who i mean i'm going on and that [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► we finally have the conversation but now [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► it's getting now I don't know what to do [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► I don't you know there have been times [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► when I thought that I would just run a [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► hose from Gary's tailpipe right into the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► back window and then we solve the [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► problem completely but Gary never turns [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► the motor on because the band doesn't [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► run anymore so anyway that's at that and [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► that's not why I'm not sleeping the [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► reason I'm not sleeping is that I set up [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► until five o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► looking at ebay on my phone but right [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► but Gary screaming at his ex-wife isn't [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► helping me right and I wonder what the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► hell she's doing at one o'clock in the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► morning taking these hour-long phone [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► calls you know what I mean like if if I [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► were her I would have had to hang up the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► phone after a certain after look like [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► the 40th raged fuck you I'd be like okay [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► Carrie that's the thing about a about [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► eight what I was going to say toxic [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► personality but i'll say let's say an [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► incendiary personality whether that is [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► in real life or on the internet or [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► whatever and I'll speak for myself my [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► reaction is to just not poke at it and i [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► would i would just as soon find some way [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► to just kind of avoid it and that's [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► probably that's kind of what everybody [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► wants to do unless you're somebody who [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► is you know very convert confrontation [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► like if there's if I'm on the train with [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► my kid and somebody's having a meltdown [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► yep which happened I mean you we've [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► we've been on the train where they had [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► to stop it and have the cops pull up [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► because the driver had to call the cops [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► were basically the entire part of the [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► car has emptied out except for you know [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► what one homeless guy like melting down [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► and screaming obscenities and swing [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► things around and so in that case like [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► there's the short certainly there's a [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► part of me that goes like that's a human [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► being is suffering that somebody who [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► like with a little bit of medication and [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► a hot meal might do a little better [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► my inclination is to just get my kid [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► movie other side of the of the training [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► right it's so much easier and i have to [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► say in general I mean you're going to [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► live in a city that is that is a healthy [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► way to be because you can't fix [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► everything right when you [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► take care of yourself you gotta go check [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► your six as you say [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► yep but but you know I don't but there's [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► one guys one guy in our neighborhood not [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► the not the chicken eating rice throwing [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► guy but there's one guy in our [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► neighborhood who like I all I had maybe [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► three years ago I almost came to blows [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► with um I think he's deeply [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► schizophrenic he sleeps in doorways and [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► I and he would just randomly yell things [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► at people and in one particular occasion [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► I have a pretty thick skin for city [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► stuff but he got close enough and loud [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► enough when i was with my kid one time [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► that I kind of stepped him a little bit [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► which as you can imagine this unusual [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► for me [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► yeah I felt like it was a situation [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► where I had to stick out my chest a [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► little bit and get past the fog with [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► this guy because it felt like it was [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► kind of like an imminent thing [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► yeah and after that happened I got [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► really i would avoid him i would I did [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► not like the guy [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► yeah because he had you know I felt [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► menaced by the guy you know of course [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► there's a small part of me that felt bad [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► for him if anything happened like with a [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► year or so later something happened [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► maybe he got picked up and put somewhere [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► for a while but he got what I'm guessing [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► is medicated right and got healthy and [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► he was he would still be sitting in [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► front of the walgreens with his hand out [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► and I mean this guy Demi that we're [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► talking like like just like you know [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► same clothes for four months covered in [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► front of stuff and just filthy and and [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► the thing was though and suddenly I [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► don't say his name but but eventually he [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► started saying like hey any chance you [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► could help me out today and I was like [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► whoa hello [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► he's and I was like oh sorry man not [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► today which is of course what you say [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► but I real and i would hear him having [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► conversations with people and he sounded [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► like a little bit of a crank but he [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► wasn't dangerous anymore and yeah I [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► don't know I felt like shit about it I [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► felt terrible about it because i can't [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► really do that much to help this guy but [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► he is my official adoptive look homeless [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► guy wherever I live this is my this is [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► my policy on giving money that homeless [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► people i pick exactly one person every [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► time I see them I give them five dollars [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► and you show you chose this going to be [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► your have adopted for for like maybe a [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► year and a half now [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► mhm and if I got a little cash or I feel [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► like you know something to say I'm done [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► in awhile just say hey Larry unit and [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► take it easy man [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► and you know but like I I the whole in [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► every part of that makes me feel like [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► shit i feel like shit that I got [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► emotional with him I feel terrible that [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► he is a schizophrenic man living on the [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► streets and you know where I live [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► wearing them [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► we're really in them in the outside [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► lands as they say it's nothing like what [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► you get if you live in the castro or [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► something but I don't know the whole [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► thing makes me feel terrible and of [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► course then it just makes me more filled [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► with self-doubt in the same way that I [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► would be reluctant to call out Jerry you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► know what I mean it's like there's a [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► part of me that's like me and [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► everybody's fucked up and there hasn't [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► been a fire so I don't wanna be a dick [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► yeah right and and this is the you know [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► the the famous old adage and I don't [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► know whether it was Churchill or Mark [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► Twain or dingus khan or Descartes who [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► said hard heart of the conservative and [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► liberal yeah right yeah right here [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► tonight is not a liberal by the time [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► he's a young man [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► yeah hard-hearted anyone is not a [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► conservative by the time their forties [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► soft-headed yeah was that Benjamin [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► Disraeli who was that I've heard [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► attributed to Churchill yeah it's really [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► more talking [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► it's I think it's probably it's probably [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► Mark Twain talking the Churchill for [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► Remy um but it's one of those it's one [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► of those problems of like when you're a [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► young person it is it's a your [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► sympathies abound and you and you want [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► to live in a world where none of those [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► things you know it's it's not possible [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► for people to fall through the cracks [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► like that you feel it very invested in [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► the social compact why what you know [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► they're there [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► why is this man left to what you know [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► why can't he be helped and then as you [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► get older and older like get the hell [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► off my lawn [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► Rand and you start to feel even mean [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► certainly I have started to feel as [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► someone who has a young person actually [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► slept on park benches quite a bit [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► increasingly as time goes on I feel like [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► some of these problems are intractable [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► mental health problems social the the [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► social compact is not airtight and a lot [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► of these problems you know do not have [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► simple solutions i mean my mom spent [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► years walking around town adopting [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► homeless people to the to the point that [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► she would bring them home with her and [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► reestablish contact with their families [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► and and you know go through these [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► elaborate processes get them on their [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► medication find them work all these [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► things and then six months and the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► transformation was incredible and you [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► have these you have these moments with [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► her we're just like you are [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► irri absolute angel and look what's [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► happened that this guy used to be a [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► sitting in front of the supermarket like [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► with drool down his face and now he's [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► like wearing a tie he's going to work [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► he's lucid and ended up and and turns [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► out an amazing guy and then nine months [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► later he decided on his own volition to [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► stop taking his medication and and then [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► he lose his job and then a few months [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► later he's living under the freeway [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► again and you get that other sense of [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► frustration of like wow that was a that [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► was a year it was not just a year's work [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► sort of up to end up right back where we [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► started but also the emotional journey [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► of like yeah [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► wow I don't anybody know my mom would [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► come out of those experiences feeling [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► like I don't anymore feel like I can i I [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► don't know how to help [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► it's not that I don't feel like I can [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► help but like giving the guy five [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► dollars for a bottle of wine is one form [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► of it trying to get him in touch with [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► his family back in Ohio is another form [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► of it and and ultimately the thing that [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► most people do which is sorry man [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► or worse is another form of it and and I [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► don't know the solution isn't easy and [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► in particular with my neighbors you know [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► my neighborhood is what we would have in [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► the past referred to as a respectable [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► lower mid [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► class neighborhood everybody there is [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► itself there's a working-class diverse [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► working-class neighborhood the first [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► working-class neighborhood where where [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► people are you know they don't have a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► disposable income to really care for [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► their yards or houses in a in a in a way [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► that he would drive through and say like [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► wow these this neighborhoods got curb [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► appeal but people are minding their own [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► business and they're making their [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► payments and they are you know they are [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► solid and fair number of people who own [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► their house [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► I think everybody in the neighborhood [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► does with the you know with the with the [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► exception of those houses where there [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► are a lot of people living sexy so [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► unusual today [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► well and that's one of the differences [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► of a of of Seattle and Portland compared [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► to a lot of American cities which is [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► that there aren't really there are there [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► aren't really ghettos here and there [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► single-family homes and there are [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► neighborhoods that are rich in [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► neighborhoods that are poor and there [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► are some housing projects but even those [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► housing projects are built to look and [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► emulate a single-family home [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► neighborhoods winding streets and [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► basketball hoops at that at the [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► cul-de-sac and San Francisco the only [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► way you can tell sometimes is very large [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► signs and very bright lights [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► that's right the the arc lights used to [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► be the way you could tell now in seattle [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► has done away with that like a [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► concentration camp lighting and even the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► even the poorest neighborhoods in the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► city kind of just have have have a [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► neighborhood five but but you know the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► conflict between me and Gary for [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► instance or you know or my interest in [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► the house across the street is also tied [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► up in a lot of class issues where I [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► totally super concerned about being the [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► you know about being someone who's moved [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► into the neighborhood of things I've [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► lived in that house longer than they've [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► lived in that house right i mean it's [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► not like I moved into their neighborhood [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► but but the question of like a ok [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► like here there's gotta be something [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► there's got to be some level of decorum [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► here that doesn't include for instance [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► that party where people were just [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► ransacking the house but at the same [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► time it's like I don't know maybe I've [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► been to a lot of parties where would [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► have looked to an outsider like like we [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► were just stripping the house and it [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► wasn't that at all and you know and and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► I I no longer have the another thing you [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► another mistake you can make in in youth [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► is thinking that because you slept on [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► some park benches for for a few nights [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► that you have real insight into what it [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► is to be poor and um and I no longer [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► make that mistake of of assuming that [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► like I map you know that with it i'm [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► inside their heads and that we all share [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► like a common life experience right but [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► I'm you know I mean what I'm a homeowner [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► and and and i also feel a little bit of [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► that hit that creeping republicanism of [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► like I'm a homeowner I mean just to say [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► those words in respect to what your [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► neighbors are doing across the street [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► bike as a homeowner I feel like we need [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► to we need to start up having like a [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► homeowner meanings where we we go around [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► go around the room and say like okay [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► who's got a guy living in a van in his [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► front yard anybody right how many people [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► let's see a show of hands but you know [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► there is that the phrase that went [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► around a lot and then one of the many [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► many malcolm gladwell isms that has been [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► kind of or partly or mostly disproven [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► broken windows syndrome [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► yeah you know well i mean the thing is i [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► understand that the part that was [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► disproven about broken windows syndrome [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► was not the part that if there's a few [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► broken windows you get more broken [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► windows the part that seems a little [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► disproven is that fixing those windows [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► does make a substantial difference right [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► but I i mean i'll just say this is [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► totally anecdotal but i think the first [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► part is still very true [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► yeah just like what you put up with [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► becomes ok [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► and then once that's ok then more stuff [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► that's not so great because ok as well [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► yes it is new and look no further than [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the place where you walk in and put your [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► mail down you come in you put your mail [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► down that used to be a working surface [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► and now it's covered with male like that [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► takes a week and i think it's i think [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► it's true i mean like you know do you [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► want to be in the neighborhood where [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► it's ok for somebody just have a van in [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► the yard and somebody's a little [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► unstable living in it for a year [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► yeah yeah my dad called that that table [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► the magic table because if you put [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► something down on the top of it within a [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► couple of weeks it would be at the [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► bottom of the pile and that seemed to [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► magic to him and then his solution was [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► at a certain point when it because when [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► it was teetering the pile was teetering [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► he would sweep it all into a cardboard [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► box put the cardboard box at the bottom [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► of a closet and then wait and if that's [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► the way you got it yeah then wait 30 [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► years and died haha that's hot i still [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► do that idea that with our microwave we [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► open the door the microwave and a [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► leather man and a bill fall off and it's [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► like that's it and I guess I sweep [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► everything into a box and put it in the [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► closet [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► this is my legacy that the stuff with [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► internet this is not good for our Happy [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► New Year episode but you know the stuff [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► about dealing with folks who have like [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► serious you know mental and chemical [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► stuff you know you hear these stories [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► about we need to talk about the family [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► and getting in touch with the family and [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► there are a lot of families who quietly [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► have somebody in their family who is [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► kind of in and out of the system on and [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► off of the streets for decades [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► I mean you don't you don't have to poke [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► around very far to find somebody who has [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► a brother or maybe has a mother for that [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► matter who is just kind of there are [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► definitely part of the family tree but [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► there's no amount of quote-unquote [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► helping them that anybody can can do [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► that will actually fix the problem and [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► they're just in and out of the system [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► all the time and those people are happy [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► people but they there's a certain kind [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► of resolution [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► it's like when the wire I know when [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► bubbles goes to his sister's house is [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► like I cleaned up like here's a key and [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► go in the basement I don't ever want to [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► see you like that's right you fuck me [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► enough times exactly i'm never going to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► believe you get eventually eventually [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► the time comes off and your back under [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► the bridge it's like it [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► just it's so much more complicated than [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► anybody if you're not around it all the [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► IES certainly i'm not an expert on it [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► but I do know that something like [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► homelessness is way more it is at some [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► level very much an economic issue but [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► there's a lot more to it than that it [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► might be economics but you know you've [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► been to the haight there's no there's a [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► lot of people living on the street in [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► the hate or like the Panhandle along [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► pretty sure we'll probably be in college [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► in the next five years they've been [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► chosen to be like a skate rat they've [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► joined the proletariat and they who [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► knows they might come out of it a lot of [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► people if it is purely economical they [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► do not want to go to a shelter that's [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► where you get stabbed [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► yeah it's you know anyway i mean the the [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► confusing thing about it is that a on a [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► one-on-one level we've all had [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► experiences where you where you say like [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► oh this and it isn't just mental illness [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► homelessness drug abuse but situations [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► where you go [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► this is an interactive well intractable [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► track to political intractable Thank You [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► intractable problem i've tried you know [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► like my kid is a drug addict I've tried [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► this have tried that I've tried I've [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► tried tough love I've tried love love [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► I've tried help i've tried external [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► training a certain tried ignoring it [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► yeah I've tried all the fins and each of [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► us has had experiences and all families [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► and all individual people have had [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► experiences and and even just with [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► people where like I've been trying to [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► explain to them for five years that [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► living paycheck to paycheck is is like a [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► risky proposition and that they should [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► put 50 bucks in the bank every time they [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► get a paycheck and if they did that for [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► a year then they have a little bit of [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► money and they wouldn't feel so insecure [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► and he try and explain that to somebody [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► for 3 years 5 years and you realize like [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► oh nothing i'm doing here can help this [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► person does not want to know this they [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► don't want to hear it and they keep [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► spending every paycheck they get and [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► then they keep having financial crises [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► and they keep acting like it's a big [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► mystery and that and that there's [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► something unfair about [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► you know that like why does everybody [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► else get to like go on vacation it's [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► like well as some people save their [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► money and you don't and but the the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► problem is we understand those on [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► personal on a personal level but [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► whenever we start talking as a society [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► in a culture about those problems taken [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► to a larger scale than all of a sudden [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► it becomes much harder to say some [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► problems are unsolvable because we have [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► such faith in ourselves and in [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► technology and in our and in our thought [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► technologies we have such faith [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► particularly in the nineteenth and [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► twentieth centuries that we can solve [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► all problems and it's just a matter of [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► applying the Right theory and the right [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► engine and and things become politicized [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► so then it its it's not just that that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► these people that there's a problem with [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► drug abuse but it's a problem of with [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► drug abuse and the other political party [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► has the wrong attitude about it and then [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it's a battle and the implication is if [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► the other if the other side of the coin [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► here wasn't resisting the reforms that [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► we have in mind right we would have [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► solved this problem a long time ago and [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► it's like well every time some a new [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► Congress gets elected we apply all the [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► the new reforms of that the last party [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► was standing in the in the way of and [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► and the problem never get solved [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► it's very difficult as a society to say [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► well all we can do is manage this [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► problem and we're never not and not [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► everyone is always and not everyone can [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► be healthy and not everyone can be not [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► every problem can get solved and so what [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► what's the best management of it and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► Seattle just started doing a thing a [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► couple of years ago where they built a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► they built the sort of a hotel for [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► chronic alcoholics where they gave him [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► an allotment of booze every day I've [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► heard about this [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► I've heard about these different [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► programs of like it actually costs less [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► money in the long run to set somebody up [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► somewhere to put them into this [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► system yeah right i mean they're they're [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► just like these are the people bet that [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► the three times a month are getting lift [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► at you know transported to the emergency [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► room in an ambulance and every one of [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► those times across eight thousand [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► dollars and they spend the night in the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► hospital and that cost eight thousand [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► dollars and we could put him in a hotel [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► and give them a a leader of alcohol a [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► day and that would just cost us two [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► thousand dollars a month and they would [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► be happy and that company cold and [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► started Hamsterdam but that's exactly [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► that's right and there you know and the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► problem is like the activists classes [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► don't know what to do with that [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► information because on the one hand it's [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► much more humane but on the other hand [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► it seems again like its management [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► no one is suggesting that these people [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► are going to get better right [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► it's just like here's your leader of [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► booze and the key to your room and try [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► not to like try not to bleed on the [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► toilet seat in the morning and it's [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► there's nothing pretty about it but but [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► human beings are our I don't know this [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► is that this is one of the major themes [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► above my life is like yeah how far from [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► animals are we really yeah i mean i-i [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► just have a similar maybe slightly [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► different my if there's anything that I [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► feel like has been both super useful and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► extremely vexing in my journey to try to [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► figure out whatever you wanna call it [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► productivity creativity just problem [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► solving and there's a lot of things I [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► think we mentioned i mention this to a [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► few weeks going in an episode but you [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► know it's I feel like any solution [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► that's uncomplicated is probably not [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► true and probably not real it's like if [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► you haven't found something complicated [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► yet you are near the truth if you if it [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► seems if it seems simple you're not done [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► looking you have already on happily ever [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► after and so you're or you are or you [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► are meticulously avoiding looking at the [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► things you don't want to look at a [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► hundred percent and that's why I mean [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► now this might be a little bit too neat [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► i might be guilty of my own thing here [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► but you know it'sit's you have to [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► understand [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► and that everything in life is an [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► engineering problem there's probably at [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► least three different vectors to [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► everything and anytime you try to solve [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► one problem one way the one of the first [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► questions to ask yourself especially if [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► you're a lawmaker oars or you know a [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► public person is how much am i doing [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► about this just change the way that it [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► looks [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► yeah because if you want to just change [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► the way something looks there's a [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► thousand different angles you can take [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► you can cook the books you can put [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► people in and moving over to Hamsterdam [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► likes all kinds of ways that you can [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► change the appearance of something it's [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► just that once you try to actually [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► change anything you realize you're [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► actually changing or another way to put [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► it rather than changing is your uh [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► pending you are chaotic sizing probably [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► five or six different things unintended [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► consequences and like these [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► what is it you really want to change so [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► the phrase i always use in this [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► productivity stuff is ask yourself if [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► you're solving the right problem at the [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► right level for the right reasons as if [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► you don't like those up all you're gonna [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► do is it's all optics it's all just [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► changing how it looks and so the thing [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► is if you're mostly sad because you see [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► homeless people on the street your [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► solution one solution might be to give [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► him five dollars for wine another [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► solution might be to put them all into [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► some kind of a camp you know but like [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► are you really trying to solve and you [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► can't ever solve the total problem of [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► class status and economics in America so [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► at what level will you try to solve that [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► yeah and then you have to if you scope [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► that correctly you can have successes [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► but they won't be permanent successes [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► they won't be easy successes and they [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► won't be complete successes and that's [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► what everybody thinks they want they [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► think if we can't do this completely [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► perfectly it's not worth doing and so [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► anyway that's a little bit better and [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► that is computed that that that's what [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► that is absolutely another another angle [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► to it which is that no one wants no one [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► no one is satisfied with that with a [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► half victory right because because so [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► much of the so much of these questions [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► is what energizes the whole political [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► machine in America like if if if a [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► problem if we call a problem solved [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► uh then the the fundraising engine dries [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► up and the and the the outrage engine [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► drives up [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► and so so they're the these these ideas [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► these big ideas and people's lives [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► really ultimately our are pitted against [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► one another in order to keep this big [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► machine of the of the chattering classes [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► and the legislative classes it employed [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► and it what amazes me about the Congress [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► is that they find a way to every year up [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► make a bunch of new laws and hits like [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► there are a lot of laws already [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► the question is so infrequently that we [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► need a new law and that standard [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► applying the standard of like it making [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► a new law should be a last resort and so [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► there's a lot of work that the Congress [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► can do the the big glamorous work that [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► they do is make a new law right and we [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► just keep making new laws and our the [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► old laws are like all these skin flakes [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► carpeting the bed where the Congress [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► lays where they don't they don't work [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► anymore we don't look at the fact that [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► it's that this this legacy of crafty [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► laws go whether remember there were [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► people 100 or 50 or 25 years ago had the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► same right idea let's go make a law [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► that's right exactly and and and we [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► don't as a we're not very reflective as [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► a people we don't look back at our at [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► our legacy at our recent history even [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► and say were these attempts like let me [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► use the power of metaphor for these [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► attempts that we made 25 years ago 50 [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► years ago were they successful and in [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► what ways were they successful but also [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► in what ways where they were they [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► failures utter failures and why would we [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► go down that road again a hundred times [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► a thousand times and it's that we are [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► boy we are imperfect and and unlikable [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► little fucking pig bugs [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► god dammit season games i'm looking out [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► the window right now at the at the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► freeway on-ramp but I'm just like [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► goddamn you pigs and you know the other [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► part of this that man it's just it's so [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► beyond obvious but man that's the stuff [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► we always miss is like you know what [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► vast percentage of the time do we think [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► laws need to be made because other [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► people need to be stopped from doing [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► something there's nobody there are very [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► very few people out there who are saying [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► that they need a lot past about them [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► there are very few people who say you [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► know what I'm pretty irresponsible in [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► this one area so I should have some kind [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► of threat of criminal or civil law [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► introduced so that I'll become a better [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► person I'd always gets me [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► yeah but we're always were always [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► looking for all these other people who [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► have caused our problems and then we [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► want to live past about them and then [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► there's this entire inefficient arm [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► inefficient arms inefficient limbs of [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► government are expected to sweep out and [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► do that in a way that's going to be fair [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► yeah fucking people oh my god there they [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► are they're all out there they're [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► wandering around over there stopping at [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► stop lights when the light turns green [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► and they go they take the whole width of [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► the walkway just so and you know in a [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► pole at the at the level of being a [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► parent and watching watching a child [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► kind of navigate the the very first sort [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► of human first real human interaction [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► when they're little babies right there [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► just sort of like how there they are [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► look at him go like throw some food in [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► their crate and put a blanket over it [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► and and then we'll see him in the [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► morning but you know when when uh when [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► my daughter has she started now to have [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► interactions at school that I recognized [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► as human interactions and ones that like [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► oh this is her first encounter with this [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► and assigned a certain kind of [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► interaction that she'll have thousands [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► of times that are literally thousands of [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► times and this is essentially it's the [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► first one and she looks mean she goes [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► what's going on here and I think I wish [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► I could tell you because everybody i [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► know myself included once to kneel down [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► and say listen here's what's going on [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► and here's how you deal with it [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► but the reality is i am still in this [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► situation that you're in and I still [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► don't know how to deal with it [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► alright yeah and there's no there's no [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► easy way for me to say this and there's [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► certainly no way for me to say this that [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► it will not be just a dumb cliché but [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► like there's just so much stuff in life [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► that is simply not fair [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► yeah probably every little kid has an [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► innate sense of justice [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► that's what that's what they call the [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► goat nature's president haha every child [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► every child every child has an innate [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► sense that of fairness that mostly leans [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► toward them so it's one of the most [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► powerful instincts that they have is [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► itself a reservation instinct and it's a [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► fairness to them instinct [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► there's there's there's not there's they [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► haven't evolved enough and very few of [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► us have evolved enough to go well let's [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► make sure everybody got something here [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► it was definitely a sense of like that [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► person that they got a balloon they got [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► a balloon they got a balloon [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► I better have a balloon coming yeah you [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► know what we got ice cream like I should [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► get ice cream or just that the yeah i [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► mean one of the things that were [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► experiencing is like well other kids [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► throw tantrums in front of their parents [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► and say no and and push their hand in [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► their parents face and why shouldn't I [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► don't have cancer [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► a hundred percent and I've I've I've got [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► a drumbeat that is such fucking weak [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► sauce but it's the only thing I can [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► always say which is you know like for [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► example we're still standing at the [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► crosswalk and as happens people start [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► walking before the signal has changed me [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► and she starts walking I say no we we [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► walk when it's safe for us to walk do [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► not rely on what other people do or [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► don't do to help you decide what's right [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► and safe so you know we're going to do [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► this in our own way because that's [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► that's who we are [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► there are people that we are is that we [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► do the right thing we don't do this [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► thing because there's a lot we don't do [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► this thing because we know that [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► certainly could be part of it but we do [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► this because this is who we are and I [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► don't and I feel like such a such an [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► idiot like such a such a 00 limp-wristed [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► liberal when I say that but I i hope [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► that that becomes true in the same way [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► that I hope it's true when I say it to [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► my face [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► self to get my I say to myself for that [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► we could cross you can't cross 50 times [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► and we would go against the light and we [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► probably be fine but that's not who we [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► are going to be it's the core of [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► civilization it i mean that internal [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► governing is the basis of the idea that [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► we should we should all be philosopher [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► Kings that we should live in no I mean [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► the whole premise plus writings fake it [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► till you make it with the whole premise [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► of a civil society is that we each are [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► internally governed and so don't need I [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► don't need restrictive laws i mean both [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► there are versions of that on both sides [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► of the political spectrum which which [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► presumes the best about people and it [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► used to be that there was a lot more [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► energy devoted to that idea in our [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► culture where we where we said to [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► ourselves and to one another like this [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► is not what we do it's not we're not [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► we're not not committing a crime because [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► we're afraid of getting caught or [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► because there's a video camera watching [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► us we're not committing a crime because [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► we do we do not commit crimes right and [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► this is the problem with the the whole [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► of the the whole torture thing the whole [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► bush-cheney doctrine in American [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► politics is that we squandered we [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► squandered that it on a global political [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► level the title of our good deeds and a [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► measure of moral authority just was just [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► 50 years that just went out the 60 just [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► mount the window just smoked it [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► everytime everytime we we built a well [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► or rebuild something we blew up like [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► that all went away when people saw how [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► foolish it we were yeah and and that is [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► that's true on a micro level 2 and all [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► around us every day you know this is why [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► this is why we're always harping on this [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► stuff of like the little the little shit [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► like don't take your shoes off on a [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► airplane don't wear your fedora into a [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► restaurant don't stand there with your [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► earphones in and it you know and and [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► piss on my shoes or whatever and it's [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► not because [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► there but it's not because it's illegal [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► right i mean all the people that are [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► like why shouldn't i wear my pajamas on [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► an airplane it's like I mean it's not [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► illegal is true and like that and that's [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► basically like they're starting point [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► like it's not illegal it's a free [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► country and it's like right but like if [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► you don't maintain standards and i would [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► suggest high standards personally then [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► you can key then you're living in a [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► world where if it's not illegal it's [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► going to get done and how would you like [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► it if your neighbors felt that way to [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► you know how would you like it if the [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► people that you're encountering were [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► also just making decisions based on what [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► was legal or not I mean it's your living [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► in your living in chaos and we are [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► descending culturally we really are [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► there there is there is an a we have [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► lost a lot and we've gained a lot up in [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► the last lesson we're losing a lot of I [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► feel this personally as I have to go and [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► be around other people less as a matter [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► of course I noticed in myself as I have [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► to remember to try and do the right [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► thing but you know what level do you [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► want to do you want to attack it out but [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► I think I feel like as a culture just [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► observing people are either becoming [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► less mindful about how to act and how [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► did how to be jostled by other people [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► and be okay how to like just deal with [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► even that whether it's like getting on [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► and off at the train knowing how to wait [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► in line at the store like everybody's so [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► fucking mad all the time [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► yeah and I'm so this is the self [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► contradictory because we are the authors [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► of keep moving and get out of the way to [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► keep moving it out of the way is at the [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► heart of it like that's the most basic [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► like what what greater kindness in the [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► world could there be [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► that's absolutely right that then to get [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► keep moving and get out of the way we [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► really know 100 off don't make huff and [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► puff noises in line don't do that [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► slower traffic moves right not because [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► there's a sign but because not customer [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► mean not because we're mean but because [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► what that what that suggests what that [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► implies is that you are looking in your [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► mirrors conscious that there are other [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► people on the road [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► and you are trying to get out of the way [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► of somebody who's got a different who's [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► got a different tempo and that is [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► courtesy right that's I mean this is the [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► thing about tipping your hat right of [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► what when we talked about that several [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► episodes ago i was reminded about the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► power of tipping your hat that I had [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► kind of it in the in the the daily grind [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► of the city had had neglected to tip my [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► hat all the time right I had I had [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► resorted to tipping my hat just when I [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► was opening opening the door for [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► somebody in a hotel but for the most [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► part walking around with my hat on my [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► passing people in the street even [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► looking at them in nodding I was leaving [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► aside that little gesture the fingers to [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► the brim of the Hat and a little like [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► right tada [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► and so we talked about it on the show [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► and I went out into the world and [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► started tipping my hat to people and [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► it's amazing how much better it makes me [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► feel and I say it's nice for everybody [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► and you get the smiles from people you [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► get like the the ipass the guy was like [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► two o'clock in the morning i'm walking [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► on a on a deserted Street and it's one [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► of those streets that's like you're [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► walking along you're in the neighborhood [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden there's trees [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► all around and then all of a sudden the [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► trees have kind of grown over the street [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► and you are and you can't see any lights [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► and you're like where the hell what [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► neighborhood my end I would thought I [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► was in the city and now I'm like I'm in [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► a like a scary book and here comes a guy [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► down the sidewalk with his hoodie all [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► the way over shrouding his eyes and he [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► and I are going to meet we're gonna [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► cross paths at the most brambly spooky [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► little part of this spooky little a 200 [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► yards and he's got his hands jammed into [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► his pockets and you can see from his [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► body language that like she is these [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► toughening up for this encounter he's [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► taller than I am and he's a black guy [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► and he's like I can see him getting [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► ready for this [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► pass that we're gonna have to make and i [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► feel myself getting ready like how's [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► this gonna go what are we going to do as [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► we pass in this shadowy little spot and [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► as we get closer so that was somewhere [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► within i contacted each other he makes [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► the choice to look at me and he could [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► have made the choice to not look at me [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► and that would have set a certain tone [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► but he makes the choice to experiment [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► you know he just sends his eye beams out [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► from under from under his hood like [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► looks at me and I tip my hat to him and [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► we both like he stands up a little [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► straighter big smile across his face I [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► stand up a little straighter big smile [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► across my face and he goes hello and i [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► say good evening and we're mirror and [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► I'm for like Adam renfaire you know all [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► of a sudden you're both the monopoly man [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► yeah well they were both balls are like [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► hello good evening good sir [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► and I'm like and and he you know he goes [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► on with his day I go on with my day and [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► both of us had what could have been [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► there there were two or twenty different [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► levels that that could have gone and 18 [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► of them were that we just pass in the [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► night and have and carry away from that [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► encounter some it would have reinforced [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► some pre belief about how things are [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► right now you both prepped [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► yeah we want the rapacity rather side oh [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► okay that guy right i mean good thing [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► did you know like I'm thinking a good [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► thing in the UH mug me and he's thinking [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► like a good thing you didn't call the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► cops and make shot me and all those [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► narratives pre-existing sort of bullshit [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► narratives we could have reinforced in [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► that moment and instead we both work [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► clowns like goofy dorks which is what we [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► all want to be right [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► hello and there's the thing is nobody is [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► watching right so we can be a little [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► dorky there wasn't a third party across [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► the street smoke a cigarette who was [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► gonna shout out like how you guys are [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► dorks right and so we got it we got a [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► moment and it's all in that like I mean [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► I honestly him look [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► at me was was brave and then that little [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► tip of the cap was waiting it was a [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► gesture i had in my arsenal of [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► civilization which is like I receive [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► your eye that you're you know you're [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► brave gesture of looking and I and I i [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► honored sir with a little bit of [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► steampunk airship and he thought to [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► himself John Roderick seems so much [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► nicer than I would have expected haha [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► he's like women if it isn't that the guy [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► on the music council this episode of [TS]

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00:52:15 ◼   ► counselor counselor not so good to see [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► it I see it but the thing about being in [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► school that I with little kids that I [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► realizes is it's it's a it's a it [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► reinforces the other thing which is that [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► we cannot perfectly understand ourselves [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► and the whole premise that's been in [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► place ever since I was a kid in our [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► culture that the banner is still flown [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► by so many people that we are completely [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► makeable by culture [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► and that weekend that all of these [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► things about our house it's like a [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► recipe if you get the ingredients right [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► and bake it just the right amount of [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► time you become a good cultured person [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► yeah.well or or in particular just like [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► the differences between the genders it's [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► a it's a it's another one of these kind [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► of issues where it's like oh all these [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► things all these character [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► characteristics that people exhibit are [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► in culture ated in us right male [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► violence and a and infamous helplessness [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► female helplessness and all these things [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► that just seemed like if we could [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► perfectly engineer our culture and if we [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► could eradicate these ideas that we [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► could eradicate these systems from our [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► culture that we would be able to achieve [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► again like the end goal of like perfect [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► equality and then you watch little kids [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► and you're like oh my god there's [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► nothing engineered about it like they [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► they're just there are so many of our [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► human traits that are in a tin us and [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► not even I mean a lot of them we [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► attribute to gender and they aren't even [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► there just human traits across a wide [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► spectrum and impossible to to codify [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► impossible to engineer either in or out [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► and all you can do is just create like [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► reciprocating cultures of shame and [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► unhappiness and and dissatisfaction by [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► truck by getting in there and monkeying [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► and trying to intervene him and this is [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► the thing about like little kids hit [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► each other and you can't let him do it [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► you say hey we can't hit each other in [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► here and they look at you like you're an [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► idiot because of course you can hit each [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► other like they just did it they just [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► showed you how to hit somebody did you [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► ever try it it works great [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► that person was trying to get my doll [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► and I him and now that I stopped what [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► are you why are you telling me I can't [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► it's the most effective strategy I've [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► ever devised says 33 year old brain you [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► know you're like well we can't we can't [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► hit each other because we don't allow it [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► because if we allowed it then we would [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► be in a state of perpetual violence with [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► each other because we all feel that way [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► we walked down the street were just like [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► I just wish I could hit all these people [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► and then it's like except I don't want [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► to get hit myself and I it's really like [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► it does come back to a little bit of the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► fair play on some level I well it in the [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► sense that only in the sense that you [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► don't want to get hit yourself that the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► idea of fair play being that the smaller [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► smaller kid gets it worse than the [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► bigger kid if everybody's allowed to hit [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► each other [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► I mean that's the beginning of sort of [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► fairness rather than just sort of we [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► don't we don't hit each other because we [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► don't like to be hit but also this other [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► idea of like we can't let the big kid [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► get his way over the little kid just [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► because he's big and you know that's a [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► very human-like I think I think animals [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► don't I mean you know like orangutang [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► four lions understand the concept of [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► don't just bite your friend because he's [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► gonna bite you like that's a pretty [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► simple idea but the human idea of like [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► don't we're not gonna we're all going to [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► agree that it's not fair for the big kid [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► to get his way more often than the [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► little kid that's a thing that the [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► animals don't share with us [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► that's a that's the beginning of human [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► that's the beginning of society and [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► that's so you know so much stuff follows [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► from that that we're going to school [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► were going to intervene and and one of [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► the things is that the little kid little [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► kid do it as traditionally develop [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► strategies to deal with being being [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► swatted by the big kid right the little [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► kid develops other skills and those [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► other skills are part of the part of how [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► culture is built culture is kind of [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► built by little kids who developed other [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► skills to avoid being swatted by big [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► kids and when we intervene [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► I mean this is it's just it's a it's [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► like you're saying it's all an [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► engineering problem [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► and if you intervene to correct correct [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► one thing that you you know one little [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► leaky pipe you see that it's all part of [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► a system and who knows who knows [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► yeah I i guess so i i'm kinda I'm kind [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► of glad it's it's not okay for big kids [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► to hit little kids but personally but [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► I'm what worries me and what I've [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► worried about is the just the necessary [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► hypocrisy of showing a kid [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► hey look here's something i can show you [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► some things we're doing this kind of [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► behavior instead of that kind of [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► behavior is something you'll instantly [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► understand anything right we say to [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► someone there's there's a natural order [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► of things where if you say please and [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► you will make people happy and you will [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► get away with stuff this is a good thing [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► learn to say please and thank you it's [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► just it's a really nice thing and in [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► time you'll learn that that's a nice [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► idea you could say things like it's [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► better to be fair rather than not fair [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► but then we also have to do these things [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► that seem completely unfair [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► last night I had with my daughter got up [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► after she got into bed and my wife and I [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► were watching TV and she came in she was [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► mad because she couldn't watch TV [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► so what what do I say when I say when I [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► say which is like it well it's your [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► bedtime now our bedtimes later we're [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► watching TV like you know should I [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► apologize for that no but that is [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► inherently unfair to a little kid and I [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► don't know but just from their point of [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► view that's absolutely unfair like you [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► guys get to go have fun and I have to go [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► to bed you get to use your iPad whenever [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► you want and I don't like that's really [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► hypocritical on the face of it and it's [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► but you know so I guess what I'm saying [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► is I think what's complicated is we're [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► asking kids on the one hand to see [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► certain kinds of things as being natural [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► law and like is not just a good idea to [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► do it that way isn't it just a good idea [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► to close the refrigerator door so we [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► don't waste energy and stuff like that [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► and then other times we have to say well [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► except there are times when the thing [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► that seems really natural is actually [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► the opposite of that and you just need [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► to learn that right that some of the [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► right i try to you know I don't have an [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► answer to that I think some of those [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► things confusing some of those things we [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► need you to just learn like as in just [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► memorize this rule and and one day it'll [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► make sense and some things it's like we [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► want you to learn the concept that [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► governs this as a thank you but don't [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► get in a white van that i still find [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► that very complicated thing [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► right right well and the thing is that I [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► don't you know I watching watching this [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► experience with kids [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► uh my instinct is to extrapolate it to [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► adults because I feel like ninety-nine [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► percent of adults interactions are kid [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► interactions that are just extrapolated [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► to like interactions plus iphones yeah [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► kid interactions plus the the arrogance [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► of feeling like because you've been [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► alive for 25 more years your spew [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► understand things any better [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► and the thing is that I to believe that [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► the big kids shouldn't be able to hit [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► the little kid like I believe that is an [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► evolution and I don't think that that I [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► think that that rule is true in America [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► and inns in debt [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► and inns in debt [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► mark and in in in germany and in you [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► know like in certain places in the world [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► but i don't think that that rule is [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► necessarily true in Russia or the [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► Ukraine or Serbia right now let alone in [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► a bit places that I haven't been but [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► have suspicions about right and and but [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► but what I don't what I mission using [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► it's unrealistic in some cultures to say [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► that that's a natural law [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► oh I don't think is a natural law and [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► this is the point I'm making the big kid [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► should not hit the little kid is not a [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► natural law it is that it is a thought [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► technology and the problem with us in [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► America is that a hundred years ago we [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► still recognize that that was the [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► thought technology and we were proud of [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► having invented this idea and it was [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► part of you know it was part of our [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► legacy of Western Europe that we had off [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► you know honor and you didn't hurt the [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► little guy and you you know women and [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► children first off the boat like these [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► were concepts that we were justifiably [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► proud of because they were inventions [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► there's nothing natural about that ok [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► and in and if you let human beings go [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► even a little bit that though that you [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► see even in modern cultures that those [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► rules are not that that that's like [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► pretty far down the road you know the [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► big man still is in charge in most of [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► the world still here and we're all [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► sharing the same internet but it doesn't [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► change the fact that he walk into a [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► village somewhere and you see that the [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► big guys in charge and the little guy [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► comes up to me and says hey but I any [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► kind of wax him and everybody goes oh [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► shit you know right thats that is that's [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► the that's the that's the law the normal [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► law so the fact that we have the fact [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► that we've made these advances these [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► cultural advances we have the idea we [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► have in we've expanded the idea of [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► fairness [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► what is it has also happened to us in [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► the last hundred years is that we've [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► stopped [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► recognizing that those are and not even [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► the last hundred years we've stopped [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► recognizing that those are thought [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► technologies and started to talk about [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► them as though their natural rights and [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► if you if you if you start making policy [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► if you start living your own life [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► according to this expanded idea of [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► natural rights that's what causes causes [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► a tremendous amount of confusion a lot [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► of figure you're gonna have a lot of [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► cognitive dissonance have a lot of [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► talking two incidents and a lot of a lot [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► of out it's a lot of outrage because [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► you're standing there saying how dare [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► you [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► and you're saying that because you [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► believe that that somehow the the the [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► intrinsic level of Justice is a lot [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► higher than it is and what you're what [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► you're not doing is giving credit to all [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► the work that went into establishing [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► that bulwark against all against all [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► against a Hobbesian world and all that [TS]