Roderick on the Line

Ep. 135: "Fire Was Always the Star"


00:00:00   this episode of Roderick on the line is [TS]

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00:00:04   asked us not to read an ad [TS]

00:00:06   hey just enjoy the show [TS]

00:00:07   [Music] [TS]

00:00:13   hello hi John hi Merlin was going there [TS]

00:00:19   you gotta get a little vocal fry at this [TS]

00:00:21   at the top there fri little fried [TS]

00:00:26   voiceover artist lady voiceover artist [TS]

00:00:31   yeah that you Chad you know I witness [TS]

00:00:33   haha idea i was i was never aware of [TS]

00:00:38   vocal fry except as the subtle feeling [TS]

00:00:43   of uncomfortableness us until one time I [TS]

00:00:48   was standing out in front of a bar in [TS]

00:00:49   Brooklyn and this young woman woman was [TS]

00:00:53   talking to me and I was like I I'd known [TS]

00:00:55   her for a while I was like what is the [TS]

00:00:57   what is the matter with her [TS]

00:00:59   I'm thinking to myself you know she's [TS]

00:01:00   talking to me and I'm like what if [TS]

00:01:01   something's changed living in Brooklyn [TS]

00:01:04   is no good for this person and then [TS]

00:01:07   another friend walked up as she as she [TS]

00:01:09   moved on in conversation to someone else [TS]

00:01:12   another friend walked up and said in my [TS]

00:01:14   ear got a vocal fry huh [TS]

00:01:17   because an adaptation like a little [TS]

00:01:18   strapon she had adopted this vocal fry [TS]

00:01:21   as a as an affectation trying to try to [TS]

00:01:24   make it in the big city and i had had an [TS]

00:01:26   untucked an unconscious not an [TS]

00:01:29   unconscious but I had an identity and [TS]

00:01:32   visceral reaction to it but I didn't [TS]

00:01:34   know what I was reacting to and as soon [TS]

00:01:37   as he said vocal fry i did i'd never [TS]

00:01:39   heard the term before but I understood [TS]

00:01:41   immediately what it was and I was like [TS]

00:01:43   oh that's right she was speaking like [TS]

00:01:45   her voice was a little frying pan [TS]

00:01:48   she was just sitting there free you know [TS]

00:01:50   like frying some bacon and like [TS]

00:01:55   vocal fried that is a that it's a new [TS]

00:01:57   concept and then all of a sudden I heard [TS]

00:01:58   it everywhere and i was like i'm doing [TS]

00:02:00   it's everywhere [TS]

00:02:02   yeah well I'm but hey I this may be on [TS]

00:02:04   the netflix on like Bell made a movie [TS]

00:02:07   called in a world in a world in a world [TS]

00:02:10   that's about voiceover people into I've [TS]

00:02:13   been meaning to have been meaning to to [TS]

00:02:16   watch this movie I heard many good [TS]

00:02:17   things about it it's great it's about a [TS]

00:02:19   young woman trying to break into the to [TS]

00:02:22   the overwhelmingly male voiceover world [TS]

00:02:25   who her dad is like the OS the guys [TS]

00:02:29   named Don what's-his-name she hit anyway [TS]

00:02:32   her father in the movie is like the king [TS]

00:02:34   of voice overs and she's really good she [TS]

00:02:37   I think she might teach accents to [TS]

00:02:40   people or something she wants to get it [TS]

00:02:41   exactly as you described it though and [TS]

00:02:43   will arnett is in it which of course [TS]

00:02:44   makes the triple funny [TS]

00:02:45   yes it was great she was on on the fresh [TS]

00:02:48   air [TS]

00:02:49   she and the actor who plays her father [TS]

00:02:51   were both interviewed on fresh air and [TS]

00:02:53   she went through the great thing about [TS]

00:02:55   voice person as they can you illustrate [TS]

00:02:56   everything that they want to describe to [TS]

00:02:59   you and she said she talked through all [TS]

00:03:01   of the annoying things that female voice [TS]

00:03:04   artists are you going to be able to [TS]

00:03:05   including the frak [TS]

00:03:06   fry baby voice and all the baby voice [TS]

00:03:11   the baby's voice I hear it a lot you [TS]

00:03:14   know because i like it really only when [TS]

00:03:16   you turn on the radio you know you here [TS]

00:03:18   in commercials especially I think I feel [TS]

00:03:20   like I hear a lot of time so we're [TS]

00:03:21   listening to radio you hear all of this [TS]

00:03:24   horrible affectations what's funny [TS]

00:03:26   because you and I on this program and [TS]

00:03:29   again i know that some of our listeners [TS]

00:03:31   are are are opposed to me breaking the [TS]

00:03:36   fourth wall or even the third wall [TS]

00:03:39   listeners talking about the anonymous [TS]

00:03:44   letter but you and I are voice artists [TS]

00:03:47   right okay well maybe not [TS]

00:03:49   yes we paint and obscenities Hitler and [TS]

00:03:52   snot although fortunately fortunately [TS]

00:03:55   for us [TS]

00:03:56   hmm we have never had to we've never had [TS]

00:03:58   to describe our art as ever [TS]

00:04:00   exploring the intersections between [TS]

00:04:02   anything [TS]

00:04:04   that's not that's one of the things that [TS]

00:04:05   I'm really immediately allanon you like [TS]

00:04:08   it when people explore intersections [TS]

00:04:09   John I just I feel like whenever i see [TS]

00:04:11   an artist say that their work explores [TS]

00:04:13   the intersections between I'm just like [TS]

00:04:16   I put the brochure down i turn away from [TS]

00:04:19   the gallery wall and i say i do not want [TS]

00:04:22   to i did not want to explore [TS]

00:04:24   intersections with you [TS]

00:04:25   artist and I as an artist have been [TS]

00:04:29   fortunate never tapped to explore an [TS]

00:04:31   intersection hand that I don't and I [TS]

00:04:34   don't want us to do it on this program [TS]

00:04:35   it's it's funny if you think about like [TS]

00:04:37   you know reading interviews with [TS]

00:04:39   musicians you like or filmmakers you [TS]

00:04:41   like you know they'll sometimes talk a [TS]

00:04:43   little bit about technique [TS]

00:04:45   certainly but I mean let's talk about [TS]

00:04:46   him really practical terms but it seems [TS]

00:04:48   like today especially in the internet [TS]

00:04:50   related trades it's not uncommon at all [TS]

00:04:53   to talk a whole lot about your [TS]

00:04:54   philosophy before you've ever actually [TS]

00:04:56   yeah I'm talking about like what you're [TS]

00:04:59   what you think you will eventually [TS]

00:05:01   produce is going to be the intersection [TS]

00:05:03   of these two things that's right that's [TS]

00:05:05   right well i hope i hope that we put [TS]

00:05:07   into some small role in that in [TS]

00:05:10   encouraging young people to to really [TS]

00:05:13   put forth a philosophy before they've [TS]

00:05:15   ever really made anything [TS]

00:05:16   yeah every we lot of work lots of [TS]

00:05:18   persuasive theory as well as some would [TS]

00:05:22   say you know your work is interesting [TS]

00:05:24   but lacks a persuasive theory but it's [TS]

00:05:28   so early it's really early [TS]

00:05:31   oh you know I i received my first spam [TS]

00:05:33   text this morning how welcome you did [TS]

00:05:38   you get on your phony phone or I got [TS]

00:05:39   Michael I get them well I get on google [TS]

00:05:41   voice forwarded to my phone a lot but [TS]

00:05:44   was it wait where you placed in a carry [TS]

00:05:47   cast in the movie [TS]

00:05:48   no no no I this was this was even [TS]

00:05:51   grosser I so I'm embarrassed to say I'm [TS]

00:05:56   so embarrassed [TS]

00:05:57   the intersection of embarrassment and [TS]

00:05:58   texts but lately i have I don't know [TS]

00:06:01   what has happened to me [TS]

00:06:03   ice I i tried to put a little bit of a [TS]

00:06:07   of a moratorium on thrifting just [TS]

00:06:14   because it just seems like it just need [TS]

00:06:16   to just chill it out for a little while [TS]

00:06:18   if you want to lose weight [TS]

00:06:20   stop buying potato chips if you want [TS]

00:06:22   less stuff that requires classification [TS]

00:06:24   that's right because our store i'm going [TS]

00:06:26   to the thrift store right about the time [TS]

00:06:30   that i found a whole series of tiles [TS]

00:06:33   that had that all had their then they [TS]

00:06:38   were old and each one of them had a [TS]

00:06:40   different crest of a different province [TS]

00:06:44   in the check in Czechoslovakia i was [TS]

00:06:48   like i have asked that I have to own [TS]

00:06:51   these things like look at that you know [TS]

00:06:53   it's the it's the dough that the [TS]

00:06:55   checkerboard Griffin of moravia and then [TS]

00:07:00   I got them home and I was just like what [TS]

00:07:01   is going on you mean you-you-you [TS]

00:07:04   decorated your house like a bier stube [TS]

00:07:07   and uh you don't even drink beer so I [TS]

00:07:11   was like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go [TS]

00:07:13   through stores anymore and then all the [TS]

00:07:14   sudden three o'clock in the morning I'm [TS]

00:07:16   lying in bed and I'm scanning ebay on my [TS]

00:07:21   fucking phone and I'm I'm like on ebay [TS]

00:07:25   and I'm them searching searching [TS]

00:07:27   searching and I can you know what I [TS]

00:07:28   don't have hits any I don't have any [TS]

00:07:32   Italian climbing boots you know what [TS]

00:07:35   else I don't have I don't have silk [TS]

00:07:40   pajamas and unless that seems like an [TS]

00:07:42   obvious one [TS]

00:07:42   alright so pajamas I have a lot of [TS]

00:07:44   cotton pajamas I don't wear pajamas but [TS]

00:07:46   i have cotton pajamas because I feel [TS]

00:07:47   like they may be archived something a [TS]

00:07:49   gentleman needs and anyway at some point [TS]

00:07:53   so that i'm on ebay and then i'm getting [TS]

00:07:54   at that i get i could i get all uh I get [TS]

00:07:57   all excited about like Oh what you know [TS]

00:07:59   you know what I the problem the problem [TS]

00:08:01   is that i don't have any Italian [TS]

00:08:03   climbing boots [TS]

00:08:04   it's that I don't know enough about [TS]

00:08:06   Italian climbing boots [TS]

00:08:08   so that i'm researching Italian climbing [TS]

00:08:11   boots on the internet which leads me to [TS]

00:08:15   all of those sites where men are talking [TS]

00:08:20   to one another about their clothes and [TS]

00:08:23   their fashion and there's a whole world [TS]

00:08:26   and i know you don't know anything about [TS]

00:08:28   this [TS]

00:08:29   how would you know that because you tuck [TS]

00:08:31   your dad jeans into your socks [TS]

00:08:33   well because it keeps like easy to keep [TS]

00:08:37   to yourself write it keeps the skeeters [TS]

00:08:39   out but but i'm on and so then I'm [TS]

00:08:43   father i'm reading message boards where [TS]

00:08:44   guys are like I bought a pair of Italian [TS]

00:08:49   climbing boots and i found that an 11.5 [TS]

00:08:52   is actually closer to 12 or whatever it [TS]

00:08:56   is I mean that people just talk [TS]

00:08:58   I don't have to tell you people [TS]

00:09:00   everything is it whatever it is whether [TS]

00:09:02   it's the seduction community or the [TS]

00:09:03   Italian boot community you you get [TS]

00:09:05   deeply into jargon technology insider [TS]

00:09:09   information you know who knows more [TS]

00:09:11   who's more legit right Agnes that's I [TS]

00:09:13   think that's common to pretty much every [TS]

00:09:15   community eventually especially if it [TS]

00:09:16   involves men [TS]

00:09:17   that's right that's absolutely right [TS]

00:09:18   about their boots planners and I'm then [TS]

00:09:21   I'm getting boots plane to buy a [TS]

00:09:23   thousand guys and I have no way of [TS]

00:09:25   telling whether these guys are 65 year [TS]

00:09:27   old former mountain climbers whether [TS]

00:09:30   they are 22 year-old a people who was on [TS]

00:09:33   interest it and eventually then that and [TS]

00:09:39   the things my judgment my judgment is [TS]

00:09:41   impaired at four o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:09:44   and I'm you know and right next to me on [TS]

00:09:47   the bed stand i have an ipad but i'm not [TS]

00:09:50   doing it on the ipad i'm looking i'm [TS]

00:09:52   using my phone and I'm you know I'm [TS]

00:09:55   scanning these little message boards [TS]

00:09:57   researching some esoterica and then [TS]

00:10:01   invariably somebody says well you know j [TS]

00:10:05   crew has a really good set of reissue [TS]

00:10:09   dammit Italian [TS]

00:10:11   mountain climbing boots and even even [TS]

00:10:15   though it's against everything that I [TS]

00:10:17   stand for [TS]

00:10:18   I went and was trying to look at [TS]

00:10:21   something on the j.crew website and they [TS]

00:10:25   wanted me to login and I I was uh I was [TS]

00:10:31   alone I was vulnerable i heerd I was a [TS]

00:10:36   little impaired i was little sad I was [TS]

00:10:39   longing for these was longing for [TS]

00:10:41   information and i entered my information [TS]

00:10:47   into the j.crew website then i was [TS]

00:10:52   logged in now I had an account was [TS]

00:10:55   logged in i realized that that the the [TS]

00:11:00   website was a there was that it was just [TS]

00:11:03   a it's just an elaborate shell game [TS]

00:11:06   no you weren't on the jquery site no I [TS]

00:11:08   was oh but but all Internet commerce is [TS]

00:11:12   a is some kind of a shell game right I [TS]

00:11:14   got there I found the thing that I was [TS]

00:11:16   trying to find and then I clicked all [TS]

00:11:18   the way through to the to the end game [TS]

00:11:21   and they were like oh I'm so sorry sold [TS]

00:11:22   out would you like to see another thing [TS]

00:11:25   that doesn't it isn't anything like it [TS]

00:11:27   she could also i think it's one of those [TS]

00:11:28   companies were a lot of times you get to [TS]

00:11:29   a page and they say when it be easier if [TS]

00:11:31   you called us doing that with my [TS]

00:11:33   daughter yeah which I'm trying to order [TS]

00:11:35   backpack for my daughter like the real [TS]

00:11:36   specific and like well to get these [TS]

00:11:38   certain features what'd you just call us [TS]

00:11:40   that yeah certainly have to call they [TS]

00:11:42   really i think what you call [TS]

00:11:44   well anyway I'd like you're stuck in a [TS]

00:11:47   shell game you're vulnerable vulnerable [TS]

00:11:49   in the shell game and I'm like God why [TS]

00:11:51   did I do this get you know this is [TS]

00:11:53   garbage get me out of here and I log off [TS]

00:11:54   and I try and I go and I wash my hands [TS]

00:11:57   some scrubbing really hard and just like [TS]

00:11:59   that was a bad experience and I wake up [TS]

00:12:01   the next day and their spam in my email [TS]

00:12:05   from some clothing company and I'm like [TS]

00:12:11   fucking j.crew that fast [TS]

00:12:13   you sold my stuff you sold me down the [TS]

00:12:15   river that fast and then now it's two [TS]

00:12:19   days later I got a freaking text from [TS]

00:12:21   somebody that's like are you and you [TS]

00:12:23   know Mike [TS]

00:12:24   Korres is having a huge set you think I [TS]

00:12:27   sold your information long Underpants I [TS]

00:12:29   didn't even put my I didn't put my phone [TS]

00:12:32   number in mr. Hagel think thats related [TS]

00:12:34   how could it not be have never received [TS]

00:12:37   this only weighs disturbing sad ways [TS]

00:12:40   that things cannot be related [TS]

00:12:42   michael kors tell you this update or [TS]

00:12:44   saturday i said by my daughter every [TS]

00:12:46   every year at the game school year we [TS]

00:12:48   get our daughter a new backpack and we [TS]

00:12:50   ordered the special special backpack [TS]

00:12:52   with the purple backpack with the owls [TS]

00:12:53   and her going to put our initials on it [TS]

00:12:55   so we call them sets that sets of that [TS]

00:12:57   sets up a really weird really weird [TS]

00:13:00   president for her was gonna show me 42 [TS]

00:13:04   years old she's me like it's fucking [TS]

00:13:06   September I need a new backpack on mid [TS]

00:13:08   to late august i still want to do a tank [TS]

00:13:09   folders i have no need for them that's [TS]

00:13:11   what I create my class regularly name in [TS]

00:13:15   my room number in subject the top of [TS]

00:13:16   everyone so okay here's what i will tell [TS]

00:13:20   you and nothing against j.crew and I'm [TS]

00:13:22   pretty positive it was j.crew that we [TS]

00:13:24   got this from systemic a nice backpack [TS]

00:13:25   and it was funny because I remember like [TS]

00:13:28   I guess I I feel like they probably [TS]

00:13:29   maybe sign up for a new account because [TS]

00:13:31   my like didn't my old password or [TS]

00:13:33   something [TS]

00:13:33   long story short i think i got at least [TS]

00:13:35   eight emails from them having bought [TS]

00:13:37   what exactly one item some of them with [TS]

00:13:39   things saying we received your order [TS]

00:13:40   other things that you're others on the [TS]

00:13:42   way but then I started getting like [TS]

00:13:43   daily emails from them and that and it's [TS]

00:13:46   like you know I the thing is there are [TS]

00:13:48   their argument just say there are good [TS]

00:13:50   mailing lists in the world that are [TS]

00:13:52   worth signing up for and people will [TS]

00:13:53   send you something informative every day [TS]

00:13:55   and that that's a good thing i have [TS]

00:13:56   never to my knowledge at least in the in [TS]

00:13:59   the in the contemporary Internet age [TS]

00:14:02   like in the last 10 years I have never [TS]

00:14:04   intentionally asked a vendor to email me [TS]

00:14:07   about anything everything back in fact [TS]

00:14:09   kind of stuff about computers i scan the [TS]

00:14:12   page for the place where i can click the [TS]

00:14:13   dingus to say i don't want to get the [TS]

00:14:15   ensure you have to go if the dig down [TS]

00:14:17   through several layers to find the place [TS]

00:14:19   where you say please don't ever email me [TS]

00:14:21   right but even still like if you buy [TS]

00:14:23   stuff from third parties on amazon they [TS]

00:14:25   sent him your information so something [TS]

00:14:27   that i bought like three years ago i [TS]

00:14:28   still get stuff about that and so [TS]

00:14:30   finally I had to just you know mash on [TS]

00:14:32   the the spam button a bunch of times to [TS]

00:14:34   get you know the decreased us know [TS]

00:14:36   anyway [TS]

00:14:37   I think so what was the nature what was [TS]

00:14:39   the nature of your texts [TS]

00:14:42   well I deleted it but it first of all it [TS]

00:14:44   had a lot of a it had a lot of emojis [TS]

00:14:47   emojis [TS]

00:14:49   uh-huh little star emojis and happy face [TS]

00:14:52   emojis and snowflake emojis it was a a [TS]

00:14:55   very long text and it was telling me [TS]

00:14:58   that there were special offers for me [TS]

00:15:00   about michael kors products and i'm [TS]

00:15:05   assuming a question about the Great the [TS]

00:15:07   the great American designer met course [TS]

00:15:09   i'm assuming that he is a clothes [TS]

00:15:11   designer fashion design a project runway [TS]

00:15:13   yeah he has stores he designs things and [TS]

00:15:16   he looks like an oompa loompa [TS]

00:15:17   I i'm not familiar with him with his [TS]

00:15:19   work and and it is not the type of thing [TS]

00:15:23   I mean generally when I see things like [TS]

00:15:25   that that I don't want to see a name of [TS]

00:15:27   a fashion designer [TS]

00:15:29   yeah i-i-i a large it somewhere in the [TS]

00:15:32   back of my head as a as a thing to you [TS]

00:15:34   can make a joke about sometimes has it [TS]

00:15:36   that well as the thing i mean i-i not [TS]

00:15:38   sure [TS]

00:15:38   karl lagerfeld I put about half of it in [TS]

00:15:40   in a play in a place in my brain where I [TS]

00:15:42   where I catalog names of things to hate [TS]

00:15:44   and then half of it in the other part of [TS]

00:15:47   my brain which is like what if i'm at a [TS]

00:15:49   cocktail party and I meet this guy I'd [TS]

00:15:52   better you know I'd better like have [TS]

00:15:55   some connection i bet the familiarity of [TS]

00:15:58   like this guy is a fashion designer so I [TS]

00:16:01   don't walk up to her and say I loved [TS]

00:16:03   your show all the great haha [TS]

00:16:06   Oh what shall i ah you know what you [TS]

00:16:11   what you can watch for the one that down [TS]

00:16:13   everybody gets at some point arm [TS]

00:16:16   watch out for a text involving [TS]

00:16:18   discounted prices on premium brand [TS]

00:16:21   sunglasses [TS]

00:16:22   yo that's what everybody's been getting [TS]

00:16:24   for like the last year come I i have [TS]

00:16:28   noticed I've noticed that the thrift [TS]

00:16:29   stores now almost universally recognized [TS]

00:16:34   the value of their vintage sunglasses [TS]

00:16:37   all interesting used to be i would find [TS]

00:16:41   I would find ray bans by the bucketload [TS]

00:16:45   for ninety-nine cents at Goodwill's and [TS]

00:16:48   they didn't they were oblivious to them [TS]

00:16:49   and I [TS]

00:16:49   what walked into a good will the other [TS]

00:16:51   day and they had a pair of raybans up [TS]

00:16:54   under the glass which was a bad sign and [TS]

00:16:57   then I was like how much do you want for [TS]

00:16:59   those because you know I've converted to [TS]

00:17:01   a new the new way of thinking I'm going [TS]

00:17:03   to pay a little bit of money i see i [TS]

00:17:04   understand tough for you to accept it [TS]

00:17:07   but it's like I guess it's ok it's very [TS]

00:17:09   hard for me to accept these things are [TS]

00:17:10   worth money I knew it before you seem to [TS]

00:17:13   know what they're outrageous and John [TS]

00:17:15   you've been to the goodwill by our house [TS]

00:17:16   that with the family now fancy goodwill [TS]

00:17:18   with no shirts and there's no way that [TS]

00:17:21   that ten-year-old shirt cost that much [TS]

00:17:22   when they put it out [TS]

00:17:24   well that's ridiculous that's exactly [TS]

00:17:26   right and i said to the woman like how [TS]

00:17:27   much is the how much you want for those [TS]

00:17:29   and she said $99 and eyes at $99 that [TS]

00:17:37   seems like a lot of knowledge for you [TS]

00:17:38   son [TS]

00:17:39   they're not that much more new with a [TS]

00:17:43   case and she's like she shrugged was [TS]

00:17:46   like I know what can i say like oh man [TS]

00:17:49   $99 not respond to some of this text [TS]

00:17:53   here in some that I've gotten about [TS]

00:17:55   every week or two I get a similar text [TS]

00:17:59   message the most here's one recently [TS]

00:18:00   Merlin to the name you have been matched [TS]

00:18:02   with TV show starring Denis Leary [TS]

00:18:04   auditions approaching soon [TS]

00:18:06   what ya pays 842 dollars a day it's a [TS]

00:18:09   very specific number [TS]

00:18:10   Merlin you have been matched the TV show [TS]

00:18:12   directed by mark wahlberg auditions this [TS]

00:18:14   week and they're all las vegas telephone [TS]

00:18:17   numbers they're all from 702 phone [TS]

00:18:18   numbers are Robert De Niro I could work [TS]

00:18:20   with Robert De Niro I could work on the [TS]

00:18:22   hit TV series sirens I could be a fall [TS]

00:18:25   modeling shoot for something called on [TS]

00:18:27   tight blue now now how does this mean [TS]

00:18:30   this seems very specific on the the in [TS]

00:18:35   the sense that they have to know that [TS]

00:18:37   you are somebody who like this feels [TS]

00:18:40   like it's coming from inside your brain [TS]

00:18:43   as a house now right well yeah i mean [TS]

00:18:45   what you don't know how much your stuff [TS]

00:18:47   is already out there but it's it's now [TS]

00:18:49   they know my you know my name and they [TS]

00:18:51   know my google voice number and they [TS]

00:18:52   text it so yeah you would [TS]

00:18:54   but that you might that you might like [TS]

00:18:56   seriously be considering i mean for me [TS]

00:18:59   write a text like that I would [TS]

00:19:01   how would I be like you when it's [TS]

00:19:05   healthy more that's finally dinero has [TS]

00:19:07   finally asked for me by name [TS]

00:19:10   yeah yeah you know the thing about a [TS]

00:19:13   scam is it's been years now incense a [TS]

00:19:16   scam look like the scam you thought it [TS]

00:19:18   was [TS]

00:19:19   and the problem is to date the scams are [TS]

00:19:21   so complex that i mean i think it's i [TS]

00:19:25   think sometimes when with things like [TS]

00:19:26   this i wonder if some of these are just [TS]

00:19:28   a way of verifying the most important [TS]

00:19:31   thing in a scam which is that you will [TS]

00:19:32   respond right so there's something on [TS]

00:19:35   the end of the on the other end of the [TS]

00:19:36   line [TS]

00:19:37   oh yeah here's the thing and he's always [TS]

00:19:38   have a pattern to these are basically [TS]

00:19:39   just spit out by some kind of an [TS]

00:19:41   algorithm so it's got it says Merlin you [TS]

00:19:43   have been matched with something and [TS]

00:19:45   then it'll say where it's accepting [TS]

00:19:46   submissions for something the name of a [TS]

00:19:48   celebrity something about editions a [TS]

00:19:49   phone number and it always ends with [TS]

00:19:51   reply stop to stop because you know in [TS]

00:19:54   SMS you're supposed to be able to i [TS]

00:19:56   think maybe legally you're supposed to [TS]

00:19:58   be able to type the four letters sto p [TS]

00:20:00   and never contact you again [TS]

00:20:01   of course it doesn't work it's the same [TS]

00:20:03   way people used to reply to spammable [TS]

00:20:05   please could you I could you please put [TS]

00:20:07   me on your do not mail list because i [TS]

00:20:09   don't like to receive unsolicited email [TS]

00:20:11   and all that does is prove the treatment [TS]

00:20:13   works when you respond to spam it just [TS]

00:20:15   shows that your email account works and [TS]

00:20:17   be you respond to things and here's what [TS]

00:20:19   every salesperson nose is there are [TS]

00:20:21   people out there who think they don't [TS]

00:20:23   respond to salespeople but as long as [TS]

00:20:25   you're talking they're still closing [TS]

00:20:26   when you're talking to a spammer but why [TS]

00:20:29   are you talking to them like where you [TS]

00:20:30   usually yell at a wall but know that now [TS]

00:20:33   they know that your account works so [TS]

00:20:35   many years without one that get you [TS]

00:20:36   something else [TS]

00:20:37   ten years ago my wife replied to some [TS]

00:20:40   send in some card from a magazine and I [TS]

00:20:43   print plant Bayou salespeople ever since [TS]

00:20:45   oh let me see let me say grace grace up [TS]

00:20:49   any ten thousand dollars in cash and the [TS]

00:20:51   american express card but grace [TS]

00:20:55   oh I really I really want to get into [TS]

00:20:58   that old could've gotten last time I'll [TS]

00:21:00   Gil really love this one [TS]

00:21:02   you know I I know you don't find my work [TS]

00:21:05   but did you know how much i adore that [TS]

00:21:06   movie [TS]

00:21:07   it's a very good it's a very good movie [TS]

00:21:09   and the guy in that scene is we're [TS]

00:21:11   talking about [TS]

00:21:12   glengarry glen ross and the course [TS]

00:21:14   Jaclyn is purely can there be can there [TS]

00:21:16   be anybody who listens to this program [TS]

00:21:17   who isn't who hasn't watched glengarry [TS]

00:21:20   glen ross a hundred times there's always [TS]

00:21:24   something to surprise us jon was always [TS]

00:21:26   something that is a private eye I think [TS]

00:21:28   it's safe to say probably have not watch [TS]

00:21:30   it as many times as I have watched it [TS]

00:21:31   for example right now and film addition [TS]

00:21:34   to film you can watch in 90 minutes [TS]

00:21:35   there are young people out there are [TS]

00:21:38   your classic 22 year olds you know who [TS]

00:21:41   it's very hard to know what they've seen [TS]

00:21:43   and what they haven't seen that makes to [TS]

00:21:47   what the Fox said but they've never seen [TS]

00:21:48   Hitchcock film murder my god i suddenly [TS]

00:21:55   hate myself so much its back [TS]

00:21:58   I saw the juicy the rhubarb rhubarb [TS]

00:22:02   everybody you know entirely unacceptable [TS]

00:22:05   did you see this road warrior reboot [TS]

00:22:10   hell no I saw all this talk on the [TS]

00:22:14   internet about a road warrior trailer [TS]

00:22:16   right firstly easy joke and I said what [TS]

00:22:19   oh that's right easy joke that just that [TS]

00:22:22   just set off a bot in you all right you [TS]

00:22:25   joke is I'm just I'm just sitting there [TS]

00:22:26   in the peanut gallery watching other [TS]

00:22:27   people who hate their life way to make [TS]

00:22:29   the easy joke about anything anybody [TS]

00:22:30   says [TS]

00:22:31   wow black pressure high priority from [TS]

00:22:33   prepare all paper ready or more likely [TS]

00:22:37   bubble bobble it seems like you and like [TS]

00:22:40   guys just got a glimpse behind the [TS]

00:22:41   current might have been hacked the that [TS]

00:22:46   Ronald Reagan more like huh 450,000 [TS]

00:22:49   different scripts that are running you [TS]

00:22:51   all the time [TS]

00:22:52   am i right he jumped so people are [TS]

00:22:57   talking about the blade runner gernot [TS]

00:22:59   blade runner the growth of the road [TS]

00:23:01   warrior trailer on Twitter and I'm like [TS]

00:23:03   why why suddenly are half a dozen people [TS]

00:23:07   i follow going back and watching a movie [TS]

00:23:09   trailer from 1981 [TS]

00:23:10   and then I was sitting around the house [TS]

00:23:15   and I was made aware of the fact that [TS]

00:23:18   they have are making a new road warrior [TS]

00:23:20   movie and you know road warrior uh was [TS]

00:23:26   it was very important to me i would say [TS]

00:23:30   one of the real foundational artworks [TS]

00:23:34   everything my camera you know you can't [TS]

00:23:37   be serious [TS]

00:23:38   you can't be serious twenty-two-year-old [TS]

00:23:40   you hate like the app class [TS]

00:23:42   what were you doing in 1981 that the [TS]

00:23:45   road warrior did not appeal to you [TS]

00:23:46   masturbating and throwing saving throws [TS]

00:23:49   at separate times some gentleman and you [TS]

00:23:54   know my dad took me to see it he was [TS]

00:23:57   like I was so I was so into it of course [TS]

00:24:00   i couldn't he isn t it was rated R and I [TS]

00:24:03   was well was an identity one where you [TS]

00:24:06   were yesterday / 13 so well yeah is that [TS]

00:24:12   right yeah I guess that's right are 68 [TS]

00:24:15   right yeah okay and I know I think I was [TS]

00:24:19   probably 12 because mm my birthday's in [TS]

00:24:22   September I think the movie came out [TS]

00:24:23   matter in the summer but anyway I went [TS]

00:24:25   with the one of my dad and the movie was [TS]

00:24:28   you know obviously graphically violent [TS]

00:24:31   and there's all every kind of violence [TS]

00:24:35   but as a pyromaniac there were there's a [TS]

00:24:41   lot of fire in that movie that was very [TS]

00:24:44   exciting to me and at you know that was [TS]

00:24:46   at an age when any appearance of fire on [TS]

00:24:49   the screen fire was always the star of [TS]

00:24:51   any film but it had all the ingredients [TS]

00:24:56   it had all that it had all the Red Dawn [TS]

00:25:00   a post-apocalyptic lawlessness cool [TS]

00:25:04   outfits big guns you are people with [TS]

00:25:07   need hair [TS]

00:25:08   yeah people with need here people are [TS]

00:25:10   lots of quotable lines foreign accents [TS]

00:25:14   it just seemed that and federal like [TS]

00:25:19   yeah like fast driving and dangerous [TS]

00:25:22   behavior [TS]

00:25:23   number one dangerous behavior movie so [TS]

00:25:28   anyway this thing this this movie [TS]

00:25:30   resonated with me [TS]

00:25:31   I've seen it 1,000 times did you seek [TS]

00:25:34   out the CGC count the new version of the [TS]

00:25:36   trailer for the new one [TS]

00:25:38   well so this was the thing so I heard I [TS]

00:25:40   heard about it I was like oh god I have [TS]

00:25:41   to go now and watch this thing I don't [TS]

00:25:43   want to and I and I think it decide what [TS]

00:25:49   part of this is gonna make me make that [TS]

00:25:50   I've justice i'm so mad already [TS]

00:25:52   and-and-and-and interestingly when I [TS]

00:25:56   found out that charlize theron was in [TS]

00:26:00   the film e that did not turn me against [TS]

00:26:04   it right away [TS]

00:26:05   oh I was that turn you against it [TS]

00:26:08   well this is the thing it there were [TS]

00:26:10   there were 400 actresses that could have [TS]

00:26:12   been cast in that movie and 390 of them [TS]

00:26:15   would have turned me against it [TS]

00:26:16   immediately [TS]

00:26:17   oh ok right you're thinking you're [TS]

00:26:19   thinking no guarantee but she could pull [TS]

00:26:22   it off but I but of all the actresses [TS]

00:26:24   charlize theron is has been a very small [TS]

00:26:27   group of people where I'm like me okay I [TS]

00:26:30   believe it's still like it could even be [TS]

00:26:33   good with her disaster on the face of it [TS]

00:26:35   because she is an actress who's willing [TS]

00:26:38   to make herself ugly in order to yes [TS]

00:26:42   she's teaching me that she's also she's [TS]

00:26:44   got a hilarious sense of humor very much [TS]

00:26:47   already self-effacing percerin that [TS]

00:26:50   between two ferns no no that that shows [TS]

00:26:53   a little close to home for me but a 28 [TS]

00:26:58   people in your in your basic she has she [TS]

00:27:01   has a real physicality you know she has [TS]

00:27:03   there's a lot of there's a lot of things [TS]

00:27:05   in which I could see her sort of like be [TS]

00:27:08   of the proto humongous and and take over [TS]

00:27:11   the film so I'm like okay I'm into it [TS]

00:27:13   you know and i go and i click and i [TS]

00:27:15   watch this trailer and it's one of these [TS]

00:27:18   movies where a car gets into an accident [TS]

00:27:20   and then the tire comes off the car and [TS]

00:27:23   instead of bouncing across the desert it [TS]

00:27:27   comes straight at the camera boy and [TS]

00:27:30   then you see the tire treads on it as it [TS]

00:27:32   goes by and bad cut [TS]

00:27:35   it it right and there's you know all [TS]

00:27:37   super slo-mo and people things blowing [TS]

00:27:40   up the implausible car wrecks very high [TS]

00:27:43   flames [TS]

00:27:44   yeah where cars are are tumbling upset [TS]

00:27:47   you know like there's the that they're [TS]

00:27:49   in a recommendation and they roll 40 [TS]

00:27:52   times and in the space of that somebody [TS]

00:27:54   slides out the window manages to me and [TS]

00:27:57   walk across the ground pick up the car [TS]

00:27:59   keys and get back in the rolling car in [TS]

00:28:02   time solution behind without turning [TS]

00:28:04   around [TS]

00:28:04   yeah right and they open the glove box [TS]

00:28:06   and the car is still rolling it's just [TS]

00:28:08   like fuck you a thousand million times [TS]

00:28:10   yeah so a people are really excited [TS]

00:28:14   about they're really excited about Star [TS]

00:28:15   Wars i don't i don't care i just think [TS]

00:28:24   you may have just turns I'm kind of [TS]

00:28:26   important public corner in old man [TS]

00:28:28   that's so I but i watch that watch the [TS]

00:28:31   watch the online advertisement for the [TS]

00:28:35   film and was an alternately [TS]

00:28:40   disappointing possible that some people [TS]

00:28:45   like Star Wars I didn't get the boots [TS]

00:28:49   that it if you picture me in a giant [TS]

00:28:53   shawl collar cardigan sweater angrily [TS]

00:28:57   slamming a book it's basically the for [TS]

00:29:01   the the the French father in Munich and [TS]

00:29:04   you know chopping chopping up some [TS]

00:29:07   shallots like you could have been my son [TS]

00:29:10   onp our dad um snow boots for you know [TS]

00:29:17   our mmm i did I actually did get some [TS]

00:29:23   boots [TS]

00:29:23   ok good baby it will work they weren't [TS]

00:29:26   talking climbing boots you know there's [TS]

00:29:28   no no because we're kind of on the [TS]

00:29:30   record publicly the UI I think you are [TS]

00:29:32   it sounded like you were really heavily [TS]

00:29:34   weighing toward soon as you hit the [TS]

00:29:37   skype button you're going to walk [TS]

00:29:38   outside and by a wooden fork and spoon [TS]

00:29:41   well so here's what happened someone on [TS]

00:29:43   Twitter yes I saw ya right info then I [TS]

00:29:45   made us aware of a talk about technology [TS]

00:29:47   that we've been missed [TS]

00:29:48   they did they were like what the what [TS]

00:29:50   are you doing giggling why don't you get [TS]

00:29:52   chopsticks and I was like oh boy haha [TS]

00:29:55   what the hell have I been doing [TS]

00:29:58   why am i not carrying chopsticks all the [TS]

00:30:00   time because chopsticks you can use for [TS]

00:30:01   about the thousand applications you know [TS]

00:30:05   points points the clever Twitter guy who [TS]

00:30:07   shall take yeah great [TS]

00:30:11   uh-huh next time you are around a fire [TS]

00:30:14   where people are eating stew pull out [TS]

00:30:17   some chopsticks and so kind of response [TS]

00:30:19   you get [TS]

00:30:19   good point good point wait a minute you [TS]

00:30:22   bring a fork now but I have these [TS]

00:30:23   chopsticks turn into a pen [TS]

00:30:27   good point okay but you're repping right [TS]

00:30:31   partner yeah whatever wish and you [TS]

00:30:33   wanted to be like an audible wish that [TS]

00:30:35   you're pulling out your Claymore and you [TS]

00:30:37   go here and you got a fork classic scene [TS]

00:30:40   in the road warrior also where where [TS]

00:30:44   where the road warrior himself Mad Max [TS]

00:30:47   particular red wire that's right opens a [TS]

00:30:50   can of dog food [TS]

00:30:51   he has a dog yeah right he's got like an [TS]

00:30:54   Australian Shepherd candidates right a [TS]

00:30:55   little australian shepherd dog he opens [TS]

00:30:57   a can of dog food and you as the viewer [TS]

00:30:59   in 1981 as a thirteen-year-old boy 1981 [TS]

00:31:02   you're like oh he's gonna feed his dog [TS]

00:31:04   and then he pulls out a fork from inside [TS]

00:31:10   his leather costume and starts eating [TS]

00:31:13   the dog food which was maybe as shocking [TS]

00:31:19   thing as any of the death or [TS]

00:31:23   dismemberment that you see in the film [TS]

00:31:24   on first viewing like to see the dog [TS]

00:31:27   food and then we've seen so much growth [TS]

00:31:29   stuff in the 30 years since then that [TS]

00:31:31   you forget that there was a time with [TS]

00:31:32   something like that would really got cut [TS]

00:31:34   off your lunch just like whoa but then I [TS]

00:31:36   think Kevin Costner drinking is P very [TS]

00:31:38   heavily influenced i'm not sure i saw [TS]

00:31:40   that movie that would be the water felt [TS]

00:31:41   waterworld no didn't see that movie [TS]

00:31:44   didn't see water world because I because [TS]

00:31:49   I follow the adage of a whichever [TS]

00:31:52   director it was who said don't never [TS]

00:31:54   make it never direct a film on water [TS]

00:31:56   forgetting that was that's a quote [TS]

00:31:59   that's a wikiquote that's sounds like [TS]

00:32:01   Wallace Shawn in princess bride i think [TS]

00:32:03   it was before final and land war in Asia [TS]

00:32:05   never direct a film never direct a film [TS]

00:32:08   on open water never go up against a [TS]

00:32:10   sicilian when death is on the line cut [TS]

00:32:14   some in Saturday's it is still so funny [TS]

00:32:18   the way said that kind of second sanity [TS]

00:32:24   any man under the giant but wait the [TS]

00:32:30   other there's more sorry for a civilian [TS]

00:32:33   fork is more to this dog food story ok [TS]

00:32:36   so he's getting the dog food but of [TS]

00:32:37   course there that's the moment when the [TS]

00:32:38   film blows up in your mind's mascot [TS]

00:32:41   because because you're like it's not [TS]

00:32:42   just that they're driving around in the [TS]

00:32:45   desert and the than that [TS]

00:32:46   there don't appear to be any police it [TS]

00:32:49   truly is the end times it's a great [TS]

00:32:53   example show don't tell a cannibal today [TS]

00:32:56   you would get a crawl like four [TS]

00:32:58   paragraph crawl with a voiceover and [TS]

00:33:01   some sprite news bits [TS]

00:33:03   that's what they do today they do that [TS]

00:33:05   Planet of the Apes movie they doing all [TS]

00:33:06   these movies now swimming these people [TS]

00:33:10   leaving dog 30 Mike yet but in that you [TS]

00:33:12   just all you do you show that you show [TS]

00:33:13   that seem like oh shit got real right [TS]

00:33:15   now I understand the entire you the [TS]

00:33:17   entire world of the film [TS]

00:33:19   yeah but as he's eating the can of dog [TS]

00:33:21   food the dog is watching him licking his [TS]

00:33:23   lips but also the gyro captain is [TS]

00:33:28   watching him and he was a Greek rest [TS]

00:33:32   that not the euro captain the gyro cabin [TS]

00:33:39   I gotta look this up i'm sorry i'm doing [TS]

00:33:41   out in this match the road where you're [TS]

00:33:43   talking this is the road warrior the [TS]

00:33:44   gyro captain's watching him and the gyro [TS]

00:33:47   captain reaches into his gyro captain [TS]

00:33:50   costume and pulls out a wooden mixing [TS]

00:33:54   spoon that is like heavily used [TS]

00:34:00   and then they then again show don't tell [TS]

00:34:03   the world [TS]

00:34:04   double triple explodes because you [TS]

00:34:07   realize every single person in this [TS]

00:34:09   world is carrying an eating utensil in [TS]

00:34:12   his coat and the gyro captain has chosen [TS]

00:34:16   a wooden make wooden mixing spoon not [TS]

00:34:18   because that's the best tool but it's [TS]

00:34:21   because the it's the tool that he found [TS]

00:34:22   who [TS]

00:34:24   and you're just like get this film is [TS]

00:34:27   owning me owning me as a [TS]

00:34:29   thirteen-year-old and I think that was [TS]

00:34:32   that is the beginning [TS]

00:34:33   uh-huh that's the beginning of this [TS]

00:34:35   feeling that I should always have an [TS]

00:34:37   eating utensil and then the question is [TS]

00:34:39   are you a road warrior who has a fucking [TS]

00:34:41   fork or are you a gyro captain is [TS]

00:34:43   carrying around a mixing spoon a [TS]

00:34:45   smartass and Twitter that is chocolate [TS]

00:34:46   is me [TS]

00:34:49   actually you don't have a lot of the [TS]

00:34:50   similar factors by having chopsticks [TS]

00:34:52   which is an ancient tool that you can [TS]

00:34:53   use its not feel like you don't want to [TS]

00:34:56   show especially by having your house [TS]

00:34:57   right now and it should have a you have [TS]

00:35:00   a little leather toolkit that i unroll [TS]

00:35:02   it has a spring for jobs [TS]

00:35:05   that's all you got your daily carry what [TS]

00:35:07   they call it the sushi sites where [TS]

00:35:09   people show what they put their pockets [TS]

00:35:11   oh I have seen those it really carry [TS]

00:35:15   it's a thing it's a whole genre it's [TS]

00:35:18   like let me take you on an excruciating [TS]

00:35:21   tour of the various kinds of costly [TS]

00:35:22   knives i keeping this letter back [TS]

00:35:24   oh my daily carry as you gotta you gotta [TS]

00:35:27   show for costly wristwatch expensive pen [TS]

00:35:29   some kind of of a fancy knife and then [TS]

00:35:33   there's gotta be usually some kind of a [TS]

00:35:35   dingus that's extra super 22 clever [TS]

00:35:38   oh it's like some time dependent a [TS]

00:35:39   lighter or something appendix a lighter [TS]

00:35:43   yeah mine a did the music for metals to [TS]

00:35:46   all right don't have to tell me [TS]

00:35:48   wow I love that guy and the music is [TS]

00:35:50   very evocative [TS]

00:35:52   there's a lot of that I have yeah I had [TS]

00:35:56   my Clarice inside the Highlands for him [TS]

00:35:58   oh there had his hot licks I are you [TS]

00:36:01   talking about the the how to you by the [TS]

00:36:04   hot lets you forget that it's a it's a [TS]

00:36:06   VHS tape right mines Cosette the king [TS]

00:36:09   was a little booklet [TS]

00:36:10   oh and it was amazing because it's only [TS]

00:36:12   was all just recorded in one take [TS]

00:36:14   everything is broken away from Queen you [TS]

00:36:17   know how your mother down and they play [TS]

00:36:19   the original and then he slowly plays it [TS]

00:36:21   for you and you learn that I learn to [TS]

00:36:22   play bohemian rhapsody was really [TS]

00:36:24   fantastic i was fantastic [TS]

00:36:26   no I never the one time I was watching [TS]

00:36:30   MTV and for some reason [TS]

00:36:34   oh yeah this is office is even more [TS]

00:36:36   embarrassing i was going to tell you [TS]

00:36:37   what my daily carriers but now i'm not [TS]

00:36:39   going to hear both I want to circle back [TS]

00:36:40   around to it up switching gears and [TS]

00:36:42   carry can't forget it i'm watching MTV [TS]

00:36:45   early days has to be about nineteen [TS]

00:36:48   eighty one two and they're interviewing [TS]

00:36:52   eric clapton and this was before I had [TS]

00:36:57   the before I had the realization that [TS]

00:37:01   that there was something dead inside of [TS]

00:37:03   eric clapton and it was nothing before [TS]

00:37:08   his like second big comeback [TS]

00:37:11   it was before they went after midnight [TS]

00:37:13   no no that nose for what's the one it's [TS]

00:37:15   just no way that you use it was brother [TS]

00:37:18   that one right and and and and there was [TS]

00:37:21   a there was a good song on that record [TS]

00:37:23   like a man who's better too bad but i [TS]

00:37:26   forget what i look like i went but there [TS]

00:37:28   were there were there was some good some [TS]

00:37:32   friends of mine actually want to see him [TS]

00:37:33   on that to her i didn't i didn't go you [TS]

00:37:36   know that was the arrow that was the era [TS]

00:37:38   when sixties rock stars were appearing [TS]

00:37:39   onstage and like dusters [TS]

00:37:43   oh absolutely there has been a long [TS]

00:37:45   coming back out of it [TS]

00:37:46   yeah they're all coming out of the [TS]

00:37:47   woodwork there in their forties coming [TS]

00:37:48   out of the woodwork with something you [TS]

00:37:50   know more palatable version of something [TS]

00:37:52   that they did kind of done in the [TS]

00:37:53   sixties and seventies yeah but they but [TS]

00:37:55   they had a mullet [TS]

00:37:56   I think he did have a leather duster I [TS]

00:37:58   think you're right leather duster and a [TS]

00:38:00   moment and and and you know and it's I'm [TS]

00:38:03   sad to say because now I'm in my forties [TS]

00:38:06   like like oh it could it be that these [TS]

00:38:11   guys were still feeling pretty relevant [TS]

00:38:13   oh I've been more successful when I was [TS]

00:38:15   young like it's like they did it exactly [TS]

00:38:17   forever man [TS]

00:38:19   already my own she's waiting she was [TS]

00:38:28   things you wanna you wanna have a [TS]

00:38:30   forever woman because that's a nice [TS]

00:38:32   pairing with the forever man [TS]

00:38:33   registered earlier bergere anyway this [TS]

00:38:36   is always the amount of time it said to [TS]

00:38:38   say those words to write them was before [TS]

00:38:41   I understood there was something [TS]

00:38:43   permanently dead inside and he was on [TS]

00:38:47   MTV and you know and I was like oh [TS]

00:38:50   Clapton Clapton yeah and he's talking [TS]

00:38:53   about his guitar playing and he's got a [TS]

00:38:55   guitar in his hand and so like I reach [TS]

00:38:58   over and I push record on the Betamax [TS]

00:39:01   player that we had that I kept that I [TS]

00:39:05   kept in there to record all the UH the [TS]

00:39:09   bikini running scenes at the end of [TS]

00:39:11   Benny Hill House so like if i ZZ Top it [TS]

00:39:14   came on you just run over hit record and [TS]

00:39:16   you're good i can catch it right get a [TS]

00:39:19   burner in there and so he so clapping [TS]

00:39:21   journeys like you know Margot teleport [TS]

00:39:24   so you know the really simple man I mean [TS]

00:39:26   it's not like that's not a very good [TS]

00:39:28   Clapton accent but and he said putting [TS]

00:39:32   students you know one of the things I do [TS]

00:39:33   that I'm kind of doing George Harrison [TS]

00:39:35   ringo starr accent right i don't think [TS]

00:39:37   it's a little bit Liverpool he says you [TS]

00:39:41   know I play a other one of these licks [TS]

00:39:43   and he goes for about that battle power [TS]

00:39:47   and i was like he just showed me how to [TS]

00:39:50   play guitar lick and I I rewound the [TS]

00:39:57   tape a hundred times and I learned [TS]

00:40:02   this guitar lick that's a pretty good [TS]

00:40:09   lick and I was like wow [TS]

00:40:15   let me do that again and basically that [TS]

00:40:20   one quitarle Suzie that's the only [TS]

00:40:23   guitar like I ever learned and it's the [TS]

00:40:27   foundation of every single guitar solo [TS]

00:40:29   I've ever played wow and I don't like [TS]

00:40:34   like when I was staying at your house [TS]

00:40:36   one of the first times we ever met [TS]

00:40:38   no not one of the first time and we've [TS]

00:40:40   been friends for a while but you sort of [TS]

00:40:42   our first probably one of our first [TS]

00:40:43   high-level meetings [TS]

00:40:44   yeah you showed me that's a pretty good [TS]

00:40:49   one that's that is super hand and I was [TS]

00:40:54   like that's a killer guitar riff that [TS]

00:40:55   was the 2nd r if I'd ever ever notice [TS]

00:40:57   season 206 you ever need a reasonably [TS]

00:41:00   everything in G that's it /a do you know [TS]

00:41:05   the you know also know the the rocks off [TS]

00:41:09   one right which one is rocks our l just [TS]

00:41:14   want to go like I I my guitars all [TS]

00:41:16   fucked up the can get some Chinese right [TS]

00:41:19   now but you know what to write all you [TS]

00:41:21   need to know a way that i know i know [TS]

00:41:24   one more [TS]

00:41:24   [Music] [TS]

00:41:27   that's good little walk down there so [TS]

00:41:32   those are those of the guitar licks that [TS]

00:41:33   I know and that one that I learned from [TS]

00:41:36   Clapton from my from my beta tape of him [TS]

00:41:39   sitting at in an mtv studio telling [TS]

00:41:41   Martha Quinn that he'd that all of his [TS]

00:41:43   guitar parts were actually really simple [TS]

00:41:45   and and I felt like after I learned that [TS]

00:41:50   one guitar part i was good i was covered [TS]

00:41:54   right i have you can extrapolate a lot [TS]

00:41:56   from this simple things [TS]

00:41:57   yeah right and so then you know so that [TS]

00:41:59   i did that every day every time i got a [TS]

00:42:01   chance and a little by little I think [TS]

00:42:04   maybe then off of a cassette tape I [TS]

00:42:07   learned the solo for bad moon rising [TS]

00:42:11   that's a good one this one this is what [TS]

00:42:13   I was talking about with this one you [TS]

00:42:14   can find always find a good place for [TS]

00:42:16   this i'm not sure i'm not sure i do this [TS]

00:42:20   kind of a little Keith Richards see for [TS]

00:42:22   the bear [TS]

00:42:23   yeah that's a nice one I should be [TS]

00:42:26   working with you when we're in a little [TS]

00:42:27   box somebody shows you the little box em [TS]

00:42:30   right you know talking about probably [TS]

00:42:32   the little box somebody drew me the [TS]

00:42:34   little box on a piece of on a piece of [TS]

00:42:36   it or permanently it's it's one of those [TS]

00:42:37   things it's like cab and who's the who's [TS]

00:42:41   the guy who's the psychologist that low [TS]

00:42:43   yet no oh yes I care of it [TS]

00:42:46   doctor doctor doctor here for cereals [TS]

00:42:49   you know who I'm gonna be the guy that's [TS]

00:42:51   not fried the other guy but can't take [TS]

00:42:56   art can I do anymore right now haha it's [TS]

00:43:02   like a union thing for me o.o you I I [TS]

00:43:06   see little bomb was nothing but you're [TS]

00:43:10   bombarded by the pentatonic I could see [TS]

00:43:13   that on our fretboard like in my brain [TS]

00:43:15   all the time i see it to either the [TS]

00:43:20   funniest thing whatever I tune the [TS]

00:43:22   guitar tech cart [TS]

00:43:24   whatever I'd tune the guitar and [TS]

00:43:29   recognizing that you bend the fifth I [TS]

00:43:33   think about the intersection [TS]

00:43:35   of northern lights are you doing [TS]

00:43:39   intersection and been some i am a victim [TS]

00:43:42   of the intersection of but i'm actually [TS]

00:43:44   thinking of B intersection of two [TS]

00:43:45   streets in Anchorage way and for [TS]

00:43:48   whatever reason it's imprinted in a day [TS]

00:43:51   cartoon fashion the Cartesian fashion [TS]

00:43:53   occasion pyramid it takes to love that [TS]

00:43:56   show like the Cartesian water that makes [TS]

00:43:58   our beer so delicious haha the mail and [TS]

00:44:04   cheese for whatever reason this and i'm [TS]

00:44:08   sure i well I hope other people have [TS]

00:44:10   this experience where certain like a [TS]

00:44:14   certain completely unrelated memories [TS]

00:44:17   get attached 20 actions that you have [TS]

00:44:22   that you do frequently that you've been [TS]

00:44:23   doing for forever and and you know every [TS]

00:44:26   time you brush your teeth you think [TS]

00:44:27   about the march of dimes or yeah it's [TS]

00:44:32   time I everytime i tune my guitar I [TS]

00:44:35   think about this particular intersection [TS]

00:44:36   in Anchorage I'm just marched and [TS]

00:44:40   marched dogs you know when you think [TS]

00:44:45   about that that's kind of a funny and [TS]

00:44:47   something every dollars made a dog [TS]

00:44:48   that's what ones and cheese and now from [TS]

00:44:50   now on I will think of the march of [TS]

00:44:52   dimes every time I brush my teeth and I [TS]

00:44:53   don't know why one of those one of the [TS]

00:44:56   low after i graduated from high school I [TS]

00:44:58   was at the mall with a good friend of [TS]

00:45:00   mine and he was moving away and we were [TS]

00:45:03   walking around the mall and we stopped [TS]

00:45:05   at a drinking fountain and he said you [TS]

00:45:09   know he took a drink and then i'm taking [TS]

00:45:10   a drink and as i'm taking a drink he [TS]

00:45:12   said I want you every time you see the [TS]

00:45:16   little drain at the bottom of a drinking [TS]

00:45:19   fountain [TS]

00:45:20   I want you to think of me oh whoa [TS]

00:45:25   and I was like I said whoa he was trying [TS]

00:45:30   to colonize my brain [TS]

00:45:32   he was trying to put himself he was he [TS]

00:45:33   just didn't know I've never met him and [TS]

00:45:35   now i'm gonna do that [TS]

00:45:37   yeah he did not that he did not want to [TS]

00:45:38   be forgotten and she was walking around [TS]

00:45:41   the mall and he was like how do i make [TS]

00:45:42   sure that I'm not forgotten [TS]

00:45:44   it's like everytime you every time you [TS]

00:45:46   bend over to take a drink of water [TS]

00:45:48   the drinking fountain I want you and you [TS]

00:45:50   see that little that little drained i [TS]

00:45:52   want you to think of me pretty [TS]

00:45:56   and did it work well no because nobody's [TS]

00:46:02   drinking fountains that much [TS]

00:46:03   well above or it was it's just a thing [TS]

00:46:06   of like I'm not gonna be I'm not so [TS]

00:46:08   easily colonized but i do remember that [TS]

00:46:12   moment and I thought about it many times [TS]

00:46:15   as a kind of example of human frailty [TS]

00:46:19   man I'm cool I'm from the opposite that [TS]

00:46:22   but I'm the opposite of that I i can [TS]

00:46:26   still tell you specifically i remember i [TS]

00:46:27   mean there's so much dumb shit where you [TS]

00:46:29   could get into my brain so easily it's [TS]

00:46:31   appalling it so now I got some for tooth [TS]

00:46:34   brushing and then i won't remember this [TS]

00:46:35   conversation and now on the podcast six [TS]

00:46:37   months from now that you know what's [TS]

00:46:38   funny is everything which particular [TS]

00:46:40   markedly I don't remember what I've ever [TS]

00:46:41   told you the story that's pretty crazy [TS]

00:46:43   but I am but I remember one time my mom [TS]

00:46:46   stopped at at a like fate manifested [TS]

00:46:50   like a 7-eleven type places they've got [TS]

00:46:52   it can get film for the camera and I [TS]

00:46:54   said okay she's good just going to get [TS]

00:46:56   this you gotta get the Kodak film kodak [TS]

00:46:58   1 1020 exposure [TS]

00:47:00   okay what is it kodak 1 1020 exposure [TS]

00:47:04   2110 exposure one-tenth exposure 1 1020 [TS]

00:47:08   exposure that's when I was like ten and [TS]

00:47:10   i still have 1 1020 exposure how my [TS]

00:47:12   brain and I don't have to come up with [TS]

00:47:14   an antidote [TS]

00:47:15   oh yeah 30 38 years ago my mom said 120 [TS]

00:47:18   closer to me and i still can think of it [TS]

00:47:21   very very easily i'll never forget one [TS]

00:47:22   tenth exposure look for bread quarter [TS]

00:47:25   milk stick of butter and a loaf of bread [TS]

00:47:29   quart of milk stick of butter much and [TS]

00:47:31   I've I have to think that my brain is [TS]

00:47:35   full of those things too and they come [TS]

00:47:39   out they come out all the time and you [TS]

00:47:41   wonder when you get one of those flash [TS]

00:47:44   memories where it just seems like you're [TS]

00:47:47   here you're filling up your brain with [TS]

00:47:49   something else and all of a sudden it's [TS]

00:47:50   like well we gotta get we gotta push [TS]

00:47:52   this thing out and you're just [TS]

00:47:54   transported to to some memory that you [TS]

00:47:58   have never had access to its like [TS]

00:47:59   teleportation for me and [TS]

00:48:01   and I think for me probably the music [TS]

00:48:03   the musicality of like the way the way [TS]

00:48:06   somebody said something there's a [TS]

00:48:07   certain musicality that really made it [TS]

00:48:10   stick in my head maybe it made me laugh [TS]

00:48:11   and made an emotional impact as well but [TS]

00:48:14   there are there's probably dozens of [TS]

00:48:15   things like that [TS]

00:48:16   the doorman outside of a bar as far as [TS]

00:48:18   I'm concerned all you knew waivers are [TS]

00:48:20   in purgatory [TS]

00:48:21   I'll never forget that line haha [TS]

00:48:24   outside outside of but it was New Wave [TS]

00:48:26   night at a gay bar leg as well as far as [TS]

00:48:27   I'm concerned all you new waiver in [TS]

00:48:29   purgatory and that line it's just a tune [TS]

00:48:31   in my head forever [TS]

00:48:32   sure murmurs good record if you like [TS]

00:48:33   keyboard oriented music the phrase [TS]

00:48:35   keyboard oriented music it's just stuck [TS]

00:48:38   in my head [TS]

00:48:39   why would you say that while i was like [TS]

00:48:40   50 different ways why would you ever [TS]

00:48:42   seen murrs a good record if you like [TS]

00:48:43   keyboard oriented music keyboard [TS]

00:48:45   oriented music and I don't think about [TS]

00:48:47   your keyboards on my camera yet camera [TS]

00:48:49   got some piano on it and that's pretty [TS]

00:48:51   much it [TS]

00:48:52   keyboard oriented new keyboard oriented [TS]

00:48:54   music said the guy at vinyl fever in [TS]

00:48:56   tampa florida in 1983 my god Shawn [TS]

00:49:01   Nelson is full of great quotes like that [TS]

00:49:03   the most famous bacon it it's not a [TS]

00:49:08   friend [TS]

00:49:09   no not another jumper the most famous [TS]

00:49:11   one is oh well god I can't I can't I [TS]

00:49:16   can't lose it now [TS]

00:49:18   oh no I never seen anyone so God all [TS]

00:49:23   stupid as you put oil on the radiator is [TS]

00:49:28   that a quote that's a quote the [TS]

00:49:30   Shondells put oil in his car ready [TS]

00:49:32   his car was overheating or something was [TS]

00:49:33   like oh shit me when you screw the cap [TS]

00:49:36   was like uh I guess you put oil in here [TS]

00:49:38   and put fucking corn oil and Israelis [TS]

00:49:40   are you kidding [TS]

00:49:42   take it to a mechanic somewhere in [TS]

00:49:43   Virginia the never seen it oh no I'm [TS]

00:49:46   sorry never seen anyone as shit all [TS]

00:49:48   stupid [TS]

00:49:49   that's it better as shit all stupid as [TS]

00:49:52   you put oil in the radiator one-tenth [TS]

00:49:54   exposure women but the the the memories [TS]

00:49:58   that poor out of my head and the problem [TS]

00:50:00   is one night when that happens I seized [TS]

00:50:03   on them and I say please don't let this [TS]

00:50:06   be the last time I remember this please [TS]

00:50:09   brain do not be discouraging this memory [TS]

00:50:11   and now i'm experiencing at this last [TS]

00:50:14   time [TS]

00:50:14   I'm i think about that too and then it's [TS]

00:50:16   long and never know if that was the last [TS]

00:50:18   time you wouldn't know right you're not [TS]

00:50:20   going to recall it and so I grab these [TS]

00:50:22   memories by the ankle and I'm like [TS]

00:50:25   please don't go don't go and i and i [TS]

00:50:27   reinforce them desperately trying to [TS]

00:50:30   hold on to this feeling of like that [TS]

00:50:32   just met just degrades it I I think of [TS]

00:50:34   like knowing your little kit and like [TS]

00:50:35   use number 44 silly putty was you can [TS]

00:50:38   make it flat put it on the sunday [TS]

00:50:40   funnies and then peel it off and you get [TS]

00:50:42   a reverse image of the sunday funnies on [TS]

00:50:44   there [TS]

00:50:44   why would you want why you wanna do that [TS]

00:50:45   I don't know but of course you do that [TS]

00:50:47   you get really bloody you make a little [TS]

00:50:49   pancake you put it on your dagwon [TS]

00:50:51   blondie and you pull it off [TS]

00:50:53   exactly how to do its dagwon body is [TS]

00:50:55   where you put it to it's not like I'm [TS]

00:50:56   going to get certificates blondie but [TS]

00:50:58   you are you look at it then and so [TS]

00:51:00   here's you got two things now on the one [TS]

00:51:01   hand you kind of fucked up your silly [TS]

00:51:03   putty a little bit with this wasn't a [TS]

00:51:05   trauma know about you know what happened [TS]

00:51:06   you removed a lot of the image from the [TS]

00:51:10   page and the paper i do it again takes a [TS]

00:51:13   little bit more the image off and to me [TS]

00:51:15   that's how memories are I worry that [TS]

00:51:16   each time at first I'm just removing a [TS]

00:51:19   little bit of the clarity then I'm [TS]

00:51:21   removing some of the color and [TS]

00:51:22   eventually i'm actually destroying the [TS]

00:51:24   linework m120 exposure attack ships [TS]

00:51:29   burning off the shoulder of Orion here's [TS]

00:51:31   in rain [TS]

00:51:32   ah LTI I don't want you know if the [TS]

00:51:39   things I've seen Merlin doll yeah sure [TS]

00:51:41   you get the sea beams think the thing [TS]

00:51:44   that that's it that's right CBS [TS]

00:51:45   glittering off the 10 how's our gate [TS]

00:51:47   every that that's going to go there [TS]

00:51:50   uh-uh-uh-uh thing is that the seventies [TS]

00:51:55   live so so vividly in my memory haha I [TS]

00:52:02   indelible energy shiny secret huh i miss [TS]

00:52:06   them every intonation of every [TS]

00:52:09   commercial on the sole survivor [TS]

00:52:11   I still have every note of that music in [TS]

00:52:13   my head by bologna has a first date but [TS]

00:52:16   listen this isn't working so it'll hurt [TS]

00:52:18   i'm not just talking about the Museum of [TS]

00:52:20   television industry are like dear [TS]

00:52:24   remember when you pull into a gas [TS]

00:52:25   station and there was a man up there was [TS]

00:52:27   a person that came over and not wiped [TS]

00:52:29   his hands on a rag and said I'll take [TS]

00:52:31   you 1 further than the other up i'll [TS]

00:52:33   take you 1 further than that I heard a [TS]

00:52:35   sound last week and I i flipped out and [TS]

00:52:40   my daughter my daughter obviously [TS]

00:52:41   already thinks I'm not so I was like [TS]

00:52:43   that sounds that sounds I was like [TS]

00:52:44   that's the sound you used to hear when [TS]

00:52:46   you pull into a gas station you know the [TS]

00:52:47   same way [TS]

00:52:48   ding ding because you drive over the [TS]

00:52:50   thing and it goes to drive over the [TS]

00:52:52   thing that goes ding ding when was the [TS]

00:52:54   last time you drove everything with 20 [TS]

00:52:56   years it's got to be honest 20 years and [TS]

00:52:58   it used to be used rover thing that went [TS]

00:53:00   ding ding every freaking day all the [TS]

00:53:02   time and remember your web but the thing [TS]

00:53:04   is I don't know where it was my bencao a [TS]

00:53:06   ringtone or something something on the [TS]

00:53:07   radio but I heard something that sounded [TS]

00:53:08   enough like the ding ding it's that tone [TS]

00:53:11   ding ding and I heard that and I was [TS]

00:53:13   instantly transported back to like the [TS]

00:53:15   early oh now now I want one of those [TS]

00:53:18   that would be so handy if you had one [TS]

00:53:21   just like got bored here [TS]

00:53:23   well just the problem is as you remember [TS]

00:53:26   from the seventies [TS]

00:53:27   yeah just could not you could not make [TS]

00:53:29   the ding with your shoes [TS]

00:53:31   nope i should try stand out there and [TS]

00:53:33   jump on that hose and couldn't make it [TS]

00:53:36   go ding so yeah it's not useful [TS]

00:53:40   I want it unless you unless you own a [TS]

00:53:42   garage or unless you are a car rental [TS]

00:53:44   agency or some other thing where you [TS]

00:53:46   want to be signaled that customers [TS]

00:53:48   arriving by car [TS]

00:53:49   I didn't mean to derail you but that had [TS]

00:53:51   to mention that just because it was like [TS]

00:53:52   less than a week ago that that sound had [TS]

00:53:55   hurting years and was instantly like it [TS]

00:53:57   was a sound that I heard every day still [TS]

00:53:59   got instantly transported me back I feel [TS]

00:54:02   like our young listeners right now are [TS]

00:54:04   rolling their eyes so hard in their [TS]

00:54:06   heads that they're going to have to go [TS]

00:54:08   see a doctor because we are having an [TS]

00:54:11   old man podcast now we're talking about [TS]

00:54:13   things which Hiram I remember the oil [TS]

00:54:16   embargo [TS]

00:54:18   it's not it's not i said that to it [TS]

00:54:22   there was a time when you couldn't buy [TS]

00:54:23   ice cream everywhere people don't know [TS]

00:54:25   yet now instead of america by cigarettes [TS]

00:54:27   in a pharmacy like a gentleman [TS]

00:54:29   what we doing we were waiting in line i [TS]

00:54:32   was waiting in line with the guy that I [TS]

00:54:33   could tell was 30 probably and I said to [TS]

00:54:37   him by way of trying to like break the [TS]

00:54:40   conversational ice better too young to [TS]

00:54:42   remember the oil embargo and he looked [TS]

00:54:48   at me he looked at me like i said uh you [TS]

00:54:52   know like I had said something to the [TS]

00:54:54   effect of work with it [TS]

00:54:57   did you ever visit Prussia like your [TS]

00:55:01   women that junior you're too young to [TS]

00:55:04   remember the oil embargo I said by way [TS]

00:55:07   of trying to commiserate with this guy [TS]

00:55:08   that we were waiting in line at a coffee [TS]

00:55:10   shop sounds like an awesome terrible [TS]

00:55:12   pick-up line is going i was going to [TS]

00:55:14   cancel out here that you too young to [TS]

00:55:16   remember the oil embargo say how much do [TS]

00:55:20   you know about the carter administration [TS]

00:55:21   because I know a lot of members in ski [TS]

00:55:24   every goal is to turn our thermostats [TS]

00:55:26   number that is crazy man that helicopter [TS]

00:55:29   and desert only a few years too old for [TS]

00:55:33   sure you're altering the only got my god [TS]

00:55:36   the first never voted for President was [TS]

00:55:38   Ida caucus me too [TS]

00:55:41   oh yeah really yeah but you were your [TS]

00:55:44   age then to caucus and Benson my house a [TS]

00:55:48   killer lineup [TS]

00:55:49   it sure was sure was boy and and we lost [TS]

00:55:53   we lost big time because you run around [TS]

00:55:54   in that tank with that will fill fitting [TS]

00:55:56   helmet all that's it turns out story i [TS]

00:55:57   think i think that was a jamup you know [TS]

00:56:00   he came to Spokane and I this was one of [TS]

00:56:03   my first moments of sure like pure crowd [TS]

00:56:11   work at the Dukakis was coming to speak [TS]

00:56:16   at the at the big student sports [TS]

00:56:21   pavilion at Gonzaga and they have down [TS]

00:56:26   here we have yeah right it's called it's [TS]

00:56:28   called father sitter dome [TS]

00:56:30   and the sports arena SATs what let's say [TS]

00:56:36   eight thousand people and twenty [TS]

00:56:40   thousand people showed up to see Dukakis [TS]

00:56:44   in spokane in 1988 and then no one was [TS]

00:56:46   prepared for it and he was supposed to [TS]

00:56:49   be there at eight pm and he and the [TS]

00:56:53   sports stadium was full of people and [TS]

00:56:55   then there was another in other words [TS]

00:56:57   each just thousands of people outside [TS]

00:56:59   who couldn't get in but didn't want to [TS]

00:57:02   leave without getting a glimpse of the [TS]

00:57:06   caucus and the police were there and [TS]

00:57:09   they strung up ropes but they were [TS]

00:57:11   completely outmatched and so the young [TS]

00:57:13   democrats were trying to do crowd [TS]

00:57:18   control and the audience was kind of [TS]

00:57:21   that this huge crowd outside the stadium [TS]

00:57:23   is kind of surging against this this [TS]

00:57:26   rope line that they had and Dukakis [TS]

00:57:29   didn't come it wasn't that it was 90 are [TS]

00:57:31   you kidding that it was 930 and and [TS]

00:57:34   people kept walking the line you know [TS]

00:57:37   like with that the the a guy from the [TS]

00:57:40   National Democratic Party would walk the [TS]

00:57:42   line and say he's on his way everyone [TS]

00:57:44   wear sarees just he's on his way it'll [TS]

00:57:46   be a little bit longer and the crowd is [TS]

00:57:49   is really a lot of people and pushing [TS]

00:57:54   against this this rope line that's just [TS]

00:57:56   being held by some undergraduates and [TS]

00:58:00   they have this look of like total fear [TS]

00:58:02   in their eyes and I'm in the crowd not [TS]

00:58:07   involved with the young democrats not a [TS]

00:58:08   part of the scene at all just came to [TS]

00:58:10   see the caucus and once i got into the [TS]

00:58:13   mob scene that I was just there to see [TS]

00:58:15   the mob and it's kind of cold out the [TS]

00:58:20   crowd is getting really Restless this [TS]

00:58:23   guy's been by five or six times saying [TS]

00:58:26   hey nobody knows it the will be here in [TS]

00:58:28   a little while and people are starting [TS]

00:58:30   to not believe them and they're starting [TS]

00:58:31   to shout back at him and the crowd is [TS]

00:58:34   pressing forward so that the the the [TS]

00:58:38   young democrats in their little blue [TS]

00:58:40   suits and their little blues like skirt [TS]

00:58:42   then jacket combos are starting to get [TS]

00:58:46   afraid like they're trying to get [TS]

00:58:48   panicky they're getting pushed against [TS]

00:58:50   this wall and there's not there's no [TS]

00:58:53   room for them to to maneuver and there [TS]

00:58:57   you know there's something so horrible [TS]

00:58:58   way to die right because rushed atom.d [TS]

00:59:01   caucus Dukakis rally that he didn't show [TS]

00:59:04   up for and there squeaking at the crowd [TS]

00:59:07   like can you please can't please [TS]

00:59:08   everybody just take one step back [TS]

00:59:10   everybody just take my step back and [TS]

00:59:13   nobody hears them and nobody cares and [TS]

00:59:17   you know the crowd is starting robble [TS]

00:59:20   robble robble robble robble and a [TS]

00:59:22   certain point this this gal that's right [TS]

00:59:26   in front of me and she's exactly exactly [TS]

00:59:27   my age she's probably 20 years old and [TS]

00:59:30   she's just like please please everyone [TS]

00:59:32   please David she starts to get that the [TS]

00:59:36   sound of her voice and i'm watching this [TS]

00:59:39   all go down and I was you know I was [TS]

00:59:42   just thrilled to be in a in a crowd [TS]

00:59:44   right but I I see it and I start to and [TS]

00:59:48   I just have this like flash of of like [TS]

00:59:52   oh no this this is actually a bad scene [TS]

00:59:54   it hasn't gotten to be a bad scene yet [TS]

00:59:57   but it is we are we're at the threat [TS]

00:59:57   but it is we are we're at the threat [TS]

01:00:00   old wear it once we cross it it's just a [TS]

01:00:02   bad team like there's a point where it [TS]

01:00:05   goes from old boy I hope this doesn't [TS]

01:00:06   get worse too [TS]

01:00:07   it's a matter of time until something [TS]

01:00:09   terrible happens yeah and and kind of [TS]

01:00:11   can you really can't pull back from that [TS]

01:00:13   once it starts what had happened was no [TS]

01:00:15   one was respecting anybody anymore and [TS]

01:00:18   it was just a question of if to caucus [TS]

01:00:20   that showed up at that moment it would [TS]

01:00:21   have been you know would have just been [TS]

01:00:23   chaos and so for whatever reason I [TS]

01:00:28   ducked my head under the rope and this [TS]

01:00:31   girl looked at me with like total panic [TS]

01:00:35   like here it comes [TS]

01:00:36   I ducked my head under the Rope I turned [TS]

01:00:38   around face the crowd and I was like [TS]

01:00:40   hello everybody can you can I get your [TS]

01:00:44   attention please [TS]

01:00:46   and I went into David Lee Roth mode and [TS]

01:00:50   all of a sudden you know the 400 people [TS]

01:00:54   that were closest to me had something to [TS]

01:00:57   look at right all of a sudden there's a [TS]

01:00:58   guy big guy who's talking in a voice [TS]

01:01:01   that is audible right everyone all these [TS]

01:01:03   all these the these undergraduates [TS]

01:01:05   really pleased everybody's to pack and [TS]

01:01:07   then all of a sudden there's like hello [TS]

01:01:09   people and so everybody looks at me and [TS]

01:01:12   I'm like I want i wanna i want to try [TS]

01:01:15   something right now can I get everybody [TS]

01:01:18   to just dosey doe back two steps and [TS]

01:01:23   everybody steps back takes two steps and [TS]

01:01:25   I was like very good all right now let's [TS]

01:01:28   take it you know this is you know this [TS]

01:01:30   secret wish to just do it like you're [TS]

01:01:31   David Lee ro yeah I'm gonna get up and [TS]

01:01:35   everybody takes another two steps back [TS]

01:01:36   and then I was like tonight is going to [TS]

01:01:39   be one of the greatest nights of our [TS]

01:01:40   lives because we are gonna see mike [TS]

01:01:44   dukakis and everybody kind of cheers but [TS]

01:01:46   they also know that I'm that I'm mocking [TS]

01:01:49   so that so they're like laughing and [TS]

01:01:51   cheering and I just you know the the the [TS]

01:01:56   top of my head's caught on fire and I [TS]

01:01:59   was just like so all of a sudden now [TS]

01:02:01   there's 1,500 people listening to me and [TS]

01:02:06   laughing [TS]

01:02:07   and I did 45 minutes 0 top of my voice [TS]

01:02:13   stand-up comedy based on mike dukakis [TS]

01:02:17   not having arrived yet and it was that I [TS]

01:02:22   mean one of the first times that that [TS]

01:02:24   that I never had that experience where [TS]

01:02:28   it was just like oh I know what I'm put [TS]

01:02:30   here on earth to do I am put here on [TS]

01:02:33   earth to do this whatever this is and [TS]

01:02:36   you know the young democrats were like [TS]

01:02:38   all rallying behind me like they I I was [TS]

01:02:42   their hero and they were like you know [TS]

01:02:44   oh my god you've got you know please [TS]

01:02:45   join the young democrats and always kind [TS]

01:02:48   of crazy stuff and with my and then I [TS]

01:02:49   had a team i had 10 people who were [TS]

01:02:52   willing to work with me and for me to [TS]

01:02:55   move this crowd and to get them to do [TS]

01:02:57   things and I was like I want everybody [TS]

01:02:59   to say on the count of three I want [TS]

01:03:00   everybody say hey whoa you really found [TS]

01:03:03   your instrument he found my instrument i [TS]

01:03:06   did it was when you had the the monk [TS]

01:03:09   down put a high was I was I was just [TS]

01:03:11   sheepherder I was made to do this you [TS]

01:03:14   know i had my i have my crook [TS]

01:03:16   I had my I had my robe [TS]

01:03:19   I am i canna dog food and my wooden [TS]

01:03:22   spoon and I was like I will go I will [TS]

01:03:24   follow this crowd now the crowd and I [TS]

01:03:26   are together and we are one and then [TS]

01:03:28   Dukakis arrived and i have I was [TS]

01:03:32   whipping this crowd into a frenzy just [TS]

01:03:35   like he's here [TS]

01:03:36   the man himself mon Dieu God does the [TS]

01:03:39   crowds like haha and Dukakis arrives his [TS]

01:03:43   car drives over in through a in through [TS]

01:03:46   like a garage door [TS]

01:03:48   we never see him what he gives a gives a [TS]

01:03:52   45-minute speech in the stadium to the [TS]

01:03:57   8,000 people that are in there and then [TS]

01:03:59   that the whole time I'm out there like [TS]

01:04:01   he's gonna come out you know making [TS]

01:04:03   promises on behalf of mike dukakis no [TS]

01:04:05   one has authorized me to do this but I'm [TS]

01:04:07   like he's going to he's going to stand [TS]

01:04:09   on that stare and he is going to tell us [TS]

01:04:12   his plan for America [TS]

01:04:15   I'm i turned into al pacino [TS]

01:04:18   and and then at the end of the thing at [TS]

01:04:24   the end of the rally and this is where [TS]

01:04:25   this is where i lost my faith in the [TS]

01:04:27   Democratic Party because they were [TS]

01:04:29   national Democrats who were there and [TS]

01:04:32   who were very happy about what I was [TS]

01:04:35   doing very proud of me and and I was [TS]

01:04:38   like he's gonna come and stand on that [TS]

01:04:40   stare right there thousands of people [TS]

01:04:43   out here we've been waiting for hours [TS]

01:04:44   and they were like oh yeah they're [TS]

01:04:46   talking into their little headset [TS]

01:04:47   microphones and when mike dukakis was [TS]

01:04:49   done he got in his car and he drove away [TS]

01:04:52   and never appeared before this massive [TS]

01:04:57   crowd that had that had that was [TS]

01:04:59   standing at the basically the foot of [TS]

01:05:01   the staircase that he could have walked [TS]

01:05:02   out the door been like wave blow a kiss [TS]

01:05:06   we all would have voted for him instead [TS]

01:05:09   his his handlers probably didn't even [TS]

01:05:11   tell him that crowd was out there or [TS]

01:05:13   whatever but it wasn't it was a moment [TS]

01:05:16   where when that crowd dispersed in [TS]

01:05:20   feeling of disappointment like I stood [TS]

01:05:22   there and shake hands with people I was [TS]

01:05:26   like you know we went through this [TS]

01:05:28   together this was this was us you and me [TS]

01:05:29   and and i felt i was i was i was born [TS]

01:05:34   again born again in the light and put [TS]

01:05:39   like that could that could have been if [TS]

01:05:41   you know if he had five or ten more [TS]

01:05:43   moments like that around the country [TS]

01:05:45   could maybe a little bit different [TS]

01:05:47   although the I feel like I feel like it [TS]

01:05:50   was I saw a glimpse behind the curtain [TS]

01:05:51   of how not to run a political campaign [TS]

01:05:54   it just because it really really seem to [TS]

01:05:56   find buy that kind of a lack of energy [TS]

01:05:58   and enthusiasm [TS]

01:05:59   yeah and it was i I have to imagine I [TS]

01:06:02   mean if some guy if some like balding [TS]

01:06:04   guy in a in a in a light blue suit [TS]

01:06:07   walked up to him after his speech and [TS]

01:06:10   whispered in his ear a governor they're [TS]

01:06:13   like 8,000 people out side here and [TS]

01:06:16   there's we can just walk you up and like [TS]

01:06:18   walk out the door and wave to them just [TS]

01:06:19   making parents yeah okay [TS]

01:06:21   i I don't I don't believe that he that [TS]

01:06:27   he never received that information [TS]

01:06:28   because no politician of any kind even a [TS]

01:06:31   lackadaisical one would say now I kinda [TS]

01:06:35   want to get to the hotel gonna catch [TS]

01:06:37   Carson you know so what it was was a [TS]

01:06:39   failure of the guy the balding guy in [TS]

01:06:42   the blue suit [TS]

01:06:42   whoo-hoo was concerned with timetables [TS]

01:06:46   Oh governor we're already late [TS]

01:06:49   we need to get back to the you know this [TS]

01:06:50   is the thing that never would have [TS]

01:06:51   happened with Bill Clinton right bill [TS]

01:06:54   clinton always stood he went he would go [TS]

01:06:56   out and shake that those people's hands [TS]

01:06:58   until two o'clock in the morning but [TS]

01:07:00   somebody you know the person whose job [TS]

01:07:03   it was and that was that was what was so [TS]

01:07:05   interesting about it because what stood [TS]

01:07:07   out to me was there is somebody whose [TS]

01:07:09   job this is but that person doesn't [TS]

01:07:12   recognize that this is their job they've [TS]

01:07:15   been given a job description they are [TS]

01:07:18   they are following that job description [TS]

01:07:21   that they are missing the fact that this [TS]

01:07:23   is their job actually [TS]

01:07:25   and so there is a there is this concept [TS]

01:07:29   of a job description which is um which [TS]

01:07:34   is solve problems as they arise or you [TS]

01:07:37   know in other ways just to think that [TS]

01:07:38   your your job you know I have this [TS]

01:07:40   feeling sometimes that I don't mean to [TS]

01:07:42   sound like mean or something but like [TS]

01:07:44   that you know once you get any kind of [TS]

01:07:46   to do anything good or big you [TS]

01:07:49   eventually need to have some structure [TS]

01:07:50   eventually like infrastructure and [TS]

01:07:52   bureaucracy to run anything the promise [TS]

01:07:54   once you introduce infrastructure and [TS]

01:07:55   bureaucracy to anything the [TS]

01:07:56   infrastructure and bureaucracy becomes [TS]

01:07:58   the most important part of the product [TS]

01:07:59   of the whole entire process in my [TS]

01:08:01   opinion the bureaucracy will always win [TS]

01:08:03   and I'll again unite we will not [TS]

01:08:06   clapping song from the eighties that [TS]

01:08:08   lyrics are always win with a [TS]

01:08:13   and so in this instance though you have [TS]

01:08:15   to understand like yes you're you're in [TS]

01:08:17   your job is certainly to do your [TS]

01:08:18   administrative stuff and make sure that [TS]

01:08:20   he doesn't get you know sniped or [TS]

01:08:21   anything like that but the motorway job [TS]

01:08:23   is in that campaign no matter who you [TS]

01:08:25   are is to notice an unrecognized [TS]

01:08:27   opportunity and capitalize on it because [TS]

01:08:29   that's a change in election [TS]

01:08:31   yeah it's looking like oh shit man [TS]

01:08:33   there's gotta be at least a couple [TS]

01:08:34   people in this one over 7,000 people [TS]

01:08:36   that could have a huge impact we don't [TS]

01:08:37   even know it it's not going to damage [TS]

01:08:39   more energy they're already here right [TS]

01:08:41   when no brainer to go out there as a [TS]

01:08:42   photo op and go oh he could've just [TS]

01:08:44   going to watch Carson but he came out [TS]

01:08:45   because it meant a lot to him to get in [TS]

01:08:47   touch with the people who believed him [TS]

01:08:48   in that program and it's the weird thing [TS]

01:08:50   about unity finders everybody's job on [TS]

01:08:53   that campaign is ultimately to get him [TS]

01:08:55   elected and so and i'm sure there was [TS]

01:08:58   sure the guy in the blue suit was like [TS]

01:09:00   well you know he probably he needs his [TS]

01:09:04   rest he's been going all day when this [TS]

01:09:07   is a this is Spokane Washington like [TS]

01:09:10   unimportant crowd an umbilical it's [TS]

01:09:12   better to conserve his energy you know [TS]

01:09:15   people making that kind of decision and [TS]

01:09:18   and making them making them incorrectly [TS]

01:09:20   because ultimately like everybody's job [TS]

01:09:26   is the same on that campaign and it is [TS]

01:09:28   to do whatever it takes to get him [TS]

01:09:30   elected and I mean not whatever it takes [TS]

01:09:33   whatever it takes within the law right [TS]

01:09:35   whatever ethic whatever it takes within [TS]

01:09:37   fxm the law but there's so much dynamism [TS]

01:09:40   in every campaign like in retrospect you [TS]

01:09:42   can see these big patterns and go well [TS]

01:09:44   really everything after this date it was [TS]

01:09:45   a foregone conclusion but you don't [TS]

01:09:47   really ever know because you never know [TS]

01:09:48   what's gonna come up you don't know it [TS]

01:09:50   was like a gary hart kind of thing is [TS]

01:09:51   going to happen you don't know when this [TS]

01:09:53   game is going to completely change and [TS]

01:09:54   you've got a scanning that in scanning [TS]

01:09:56   the horizon being ready for any kind of [TS]

01:09:58   an opportunity [TS]

01:09:59   do you remember it wasn't that long ago [TS]

01:10:01   maryland yeah do you remember when Mitt [TS]

01:10:04   Romney was running for the American [TS]

01:10:08   presidency Mitt Romney was a republican [TS]

01:10:11   candidate for the presidency [TS]

01:10:14   that's right i remember the name in [TS]

01:10:16   recent recent memory [TS]

01:10:17   well and feels his people who comprise [TS]

01:10:22   some of the best-connected political [TS]

01:10:24   minds in our country [TS]

01:10:26   believed that he was going to be the [TS]

01:10:29   victor until uh until after the polls [TS]

01:10:35   close [TS]

01:10:35   I think they thought he was gonna walk [TS]

01:10:36   away with it but you they were gloating [TS]

01:10:39   about it that is how little anybody [TS]

01:10:43   knows what is the part of that is ok get [TS]

01:10:46   ready John you get to be here for the [TS]

01:10:48   premiere of one of my most despised [TS]

01:10:50   douche catchphrases cool don't you think [TS]

01:10:53   that's mostly optics just mostly we need [TS]

01:10:57   to make it look like that's the case [TS]

01:10:59   whether we believe it or not [TS]

01:11:01   no no I i I've seen of a lot of those [TS]

01:11:04   optics moments as you described [TS]

01:11:07   I it is a much optics moment is that [TS]

01:11:10   objects with AK opt IKS I'm not [TS]

01:11:14   obviously the sea and it's it's another [TS]

01:11:16   one of those words we could use [TS]

01:11:17   something that's perfectly fine instead [TS]

01:11:18   how it looks on the optics yeah optics [TS]

01:11:22   no I believe honestly that a whole lot [TS]

01:11:25   of those people of the the lion's share [TS]

01:11:27   of them really honestly believe that [TS]

01:11:31   there was no way he could lose a to [TS]

01:11:35   Barack Obama and that it was in the bag [TS]

01:11:40   that's why they were so that's why they [TS]

01:11:43   were so devastated but it was so [TS]

01:11:45   devastatingly not in the bag like I [TS]

01:11:48   don't think Dukakis thought that he was [TS]

01:11:50   going to win a certain point it showed [TS]

01:11:54   pitch it really did show he really [TS]

01:11:56   linked to the finish line and I mean [TS]

01:11:58   imagine losing an election to george [TS]

01:12:00   herbert walker bush it's like losing an [TS]

01:12:03   election to and at an animated cardboard [TS]

01:12:06   halloween skeleton [TS]

01:12:10   1 1020 exposure 1 1020 exposure intent [TS]

01:12:18   exposure [TS]