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0:00:13hello hi John hi Merlin was going there
0:00:19you gotta get a little vocal fry at this
0:00:21at the top there fri little fried
0:00:26voiceover artist lady voiceover artist
0:00:31yeah that you Chad you know I witness
0:00:33haha idea i was i was never aware of
0:00:38vocal fry except as the subtle feeling
0:00:43of uncomfortableness us until one time I
0:00:48was standing out in front of a bar in
0:00:49Brooklyn and this young woman woman was
0:00:53talking to me and I was like I I'd known
0:00:55her for a while I was like what is the
0:00:57what is the matter with her
0:00:59I'm thinking to myself you know she's
0:01:00talking to me and I'm like what if
0:01:01something's changed living in Brooklyn
0:01:04is no good for this person and then
0:01:07another friend walked up as she as she
0:01:09moved on in conversation to someone else
0:01:12another friend walked up and said in my
0:01:14ear got a vocal fry huh
0:01:17because an adaptation like a little
0:01:18strapon she had adopted this vocal fry
0:01:21as a as an affectation trying to try to
0:01:24make it in the big city and i had had an
0:01:26untucked an unconscious not an
0:01:29unconscious but I had an identity and
0:01:32visceral reaction to it but I didn't
0:01:34know what I was reacting to and as soon
0:01:37as he said vocal fry i did i'd never
0:01:39heard the term before but I understood
0:01:41immediately what it was and I was like
0:01:43oh that's right she was speaking like
0:01:45her voice was a little frying pan
0:01:48she was just sitting there free you know
0:01:50like frying some bacon and like
0:01:55vocal fried that is a that it's a new
0:01:57concept and then all of a sudden I heard
0:01:58it everywhere and i was like i'm doing
0:02:00it's everywhere
0:02:02yeah well I'm but hey I this may be on
0:02:04the netflix on like Bell made a movie
0:02:07called in a world in a world in a world
0:02:10that's about voiceover people into I've
0:02:13been meaning to have been meaning to to
0:02:16watch this movie I heard many good
0:02:17things about it it's great it's about a
0:02:19young woman trying to break into the to
0:02:22the overwhelmingly male voiceover world
0:02:25who her dad is like the OS the guys
0:02:29named Don what's-his-name she hit anyway
0:02:32her father in the movie is like the king
0:02:34of voice overs and she's really good she
0:02:37I think she might teach accents to
0:02:40people or something she wants to get it
0:02:41exactly as you described it though and
0:02:43will arnett is in it which of course
0:02:44makes the triple funny
0:02:45yes it was great she was on on the fresh
0:02:48air
0:02:49she and the actor who plays her father
0:02:51were both interviewed on fresh air and
0:02:53she went through the great thing about
0:02:55voice person as they can you illustrate
0:02:56everything that they want to describe to
0:02:59you and she said she talked through all
0:03:01of the annoying things that female voice
0:03:04artists are you going to be able to
0:03:05including the frak
0:03:06fry baby voice and all the baby voice
0:03:11the baby's voice I hear it a lot you
0:03:14know because i like it really only when
0:03:16you turn on the radio you know you here
0:03:18in commercials especially I think I feel
0:03:20like I hear a lot of time so we're
0:03:21listening to radio you hear all of this
0:03:24horrible affectations what's funny
0:03:26because you and I on this program and
0:03:29again i know that some of our listeners
0:03:31are are are opposed to me breaking the
0:03:36fourth wall or even the third wall
0:03:39listeners talking about the anonymous
0:03:44letter but you and I are voice artists
0:03:47right okay well maybe not
0:03:49yes we paint and obscenities Hitler and
0:03:52snot although fortunately fortunately
0:03:55for us
0:03:56hmm we have never had to we've never had
0:03:58to describe our art as ever
0:04:00exploring the intersections between
0:04:02anything
0:04:04that's not that's one of the things that
0:04:05I'm really immediately allanon you like
0:04:08it when people explore intersections
0:04:09John I just I feel like whenever i see
0:04:11an artist say that their work explores
0:04:13the intersections between I'm just like
0:04:16I put the brochure down i turn away from
0:04:19the gallery wall and i say i do not want
0:04:22to i did not want to explore
0:04:24intersections with you
0:04:25artist and I as an artist have been
0:04:29fortunate never tapped to explore an
0:04:31intersection hand that I don't and I
0:04:34don't want us to do it on this program
0:04:35it's it's funny if you think about like
0:04:37you know reading interviews with
0:04:39musicians you like or filmmakers you
0:04:41like you know they'll sometimes talk a
0:04:43little bit about technique
0:04:45certainly but I mean let's talk about
0:04:46him really practical terms but it seems
0:04:48like today especially in the internet
0:04:50related trades it's not uncommon at all
0:04:53to talk a whole lot about your
0:04:54philosophy before you've ever actually
0:04:56yeah I'm talking about like what you're
0:04:59what you think you will eventually
0:05:01produce is going to be the intersection
0:05:03of these two things that's right that's
0:05:05right well i hope i hope that we put
0:05:07into some small role in that in
0:05:10encouraging young people to to really
0:05:13put forth a philosophy before they've
0:05:15ever really made anything
0:05:16yeah every we lot of work lots of
0:05:18persuasive theory as well as some would
0:05:22say you know your work is interesting
0:05:24but lacks a persuasive theory but it's
0:05:28so early it's really early
0:05:31oh you know I i received my first spam
0:05:33text this morning how welcome you did
0:05:38you get on your phony phone or I got
0:05:39Michael I get them well I get on google
0:05:41voice forwarded to my phone a lot but
0:05:44was it wait where you placed in a carry
0:05:47cast in the movie
0:05:48no no no I this was this was even
0:05:51grosser I so I'm embarrassed to say I'm
0:05:56so embarrassed
0:05:57the intersection of embarrassment and
0:05:58texts but lately i have I don't know
0:06:01what has happened to me
0:06:03ice I i tried to put a little bit of a
0:06:07of a moratorium on thrifting just
0:06:14because it just seems like it just need
0:06:16to just chill it out for a little while
0:06:18if you want to lose weight
0:06:20stop buying potato chips if you want
0:06:22less stuff that requires classification
0:06:24that's right because our store i'm going
0:06:26to the thrift store right about the time
0:06:30that i found a whole series of tiles
0:06:33that had that all had their then they
0:06:38were old and each one of them had a
0:06:40different crest of a different province
0:06:44in the check in Czechoslovakia i was
0:06:48like i have asked that I have to own
0:06:51these things like look at that you know
0:06:53it's the it's the dough that the
0:06:55checkerboard Griffin of moravia and then
0:07:00I got them home and I was just like what
0:07:01is going on you mean you-you-you
0:07:04decorated your house like a bier stube
0:07:07and uh you don't even drink beer so I
0:07:11was like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go
0:07:13through stores anymore and then all the
0:07:14sudden three o'clock in the morning I'm
0:07:16lying in bed and I'm scanning ebay on my
0:07:21fucking phone and I'm I'm like on ebay
0:07:25and I'm them searching searching
0:07:27searching and I can you know what I
0:07:28don't have hits any I don't have any
0:07:32Italian climbing boots you know what
0:07:35else I don't have I don't have silk
0:07:40pajamas and unless that seems like an
0:07:42obvious one
0:07:42alright so pajamas I have a lot of
0:07:44cotton pajamas I don't wear pajamas but
0:07:46i have cotton pajamas because I feel
0:07:47like they may be archived something a
0:07:49gentleman needs and anyway at some point
0:07:53so that i'm on ebay and then i'm getting
0:07:54at that i get i could i get all uh I get
0:07:57all excited about like Oh what you know
0:07:59you know what I the problem the problem
0:08:01is that i don't have any Italian
0:08:03climbing boots
0:08:04it's that I don't know enough about
0:08:06Italian climbing boots
0:08:08so that i'm researching Italian climbing
0:08:11boots on the internet which leads me to
0:08:15all of those sites where men are talking
0:08:20to one another about their clothes and
0:08:23their fashion and there's a whole world
0:08:26and i know you don't know anything about
0:08:28this
0:08:29how would you know that because you tuck
0:08:31your dad jeans into your socks
0:08:33well because it keeps like easy to keep
0:08:37to yourself write it keeps the skeeters
0:08:39out but but i'm on and so then I'm
0:08:43father i'm reading message boards where
0:08:44guys are like I bought a pair of Italian
0:08:49climbing boots and i found that an 11.5
0:08:52is actually closer to 12 or whatever it
0:08:56is I mean that people just talk
0:08:58I don't have to tell you people
0:09:00everything is it whatever it is whether
0:09:02it's the seduction community or the
0:09:03Italian boot community you you get
0:09:05deeply into jargon technology insider
0:09:09information you know who knows more
0:09:11who's more legit right Agnes that's I
0:09:13think that's common to pretty much every
0:09:15community eventually especially if it
0:09:16involves men
0:09:17that's right that's absolutely right
0:09:18about their boots planners and I'm then
0:09:21I'm getting boots plane to buy a
0:09:23thousand guys and I have no way of
0:09:25telling whether these guys are 65 year
0:09:27old former mountain climbers whether
0:09:30they are 22 year-old a people who was on
0:09:33interest it and eventually then that and
0:09:39the things my judgment my judgment is
0:09:41impaired at four o'clock in the morning
0:09:44and I'm you know and right next to me on
0:09:47the bed stand i have an ipad but i'm not
0:09:50doing it on the ipad i'm looking i'm
0:09:52using my phone and I'm you know I'm
0:09:55scanning these little message boards
0:09:57researching some esoterica and then
0:10:01invariably somebody says well you know j
0:10:05crew has a really good set of reissue
0:10:09dammit Italian
0:10:11mountain climbing boots and even even
0:10:15though it's against everything that I
0:10:17stand for
0:10:18I went and was trying to look at
0:10:21something on the j.crew website and they
0:10:25wanted me to login and I I was uh I was
0:10:31alone I was vulnerable i heerd I was a
0:10:36little impaired i was little sad I was
0:10:39longing for these was longing for
0:10:41information and i entered my information
0:10:47into the j.crew website then i was
0:10:52logged in now I had an account was
0:10:55logged in i realized that that the the
0:11:00website was a there was that it was just
0:11:03a it's just an elaborate shell game
0:11:06no you weren't on the jquery site no I
0:11:08was oh but but all Internet commerce is
0:11:12a is some kind of a shell game right I
0:11:14got there I found the thing that I was
0:11:16trying to find and then I clicked all
0:11:18the way through to the to the end game
0:11:21and they were like oh I'm so sorry sold
0:11:22out would you like to see another thing
0:11:25that doesn't it isn't anything like it
0:11:27she could also i think it's one of those
0:11:28companies were a lot of times you get to
0:11:29a page and they say when it be easier if
0:11:31you called us doing that with my
0:11:33daughter yeah which I'm trying to order
0:11:35backpack for my daughter like the real
0:11:36specific and like well to get these
0:11:38certain features what'd you just call us
0:11:40that yeah certainly have to call they
0:11:42really i think what you call
0:11:44well anyway I'd like you're stuck in a
0:11:47shell game you're vulnerable vulnerable
0:11:49in the shell game and I'm like God why
0:11:51did I do this get you know this is
0:11:53garbage get me out of here and I log off
0:11:54and I try and I go and I wash my hands
0:11:57some scrubbing really hard and just like
0:11:59that was a bad experience and I wake up
0:12:01the next day and their spam in my email
0:12:05from some clothing company and I'm like
0:12:11fucking j.crew that fast
0:12:13you sold my stuff you sold me down the
0:12:15river that fast and then now it's two
0:12:19days later I got a freaking text from
0:12:21somebody that's like are you and you
0:12:23know Mike
0:12:24Korres is having a huge set you think I
0:12:27sold your information long Underpants I
0:12:29didn't even put my I didn't put my phone
0:12:32number in mr. Hagel think thats related
0:12:34how could it not be have never received
0:12:37this only weighs disturbing sad ways
0:12:40that things cannot be related
0:12:42michael kors tell you this update or
0:12:44saturday i said by my daughter every
0:12:46every year at the game school year we
0:12:48get our daughter a new backpack and we
0:12:50ordered the special special backpack
0:12:52with the purple backpack with the owls
0:12:53and her going to put our initials on it
0:12:55so we call them sets that sets of that
0:12:57sets up a really weird really weird
0:13:00president for her was gonna show me 42
0:13:04years old she's me like it's fucking
0:13:06September I need a new backpack on mid
0:13:08to late august i still want to do a tank
0:13:09folders i have no need for them that's
0:13:11what I create my class regularly name in
0:13:15my room number in subject the top of
0:13:16everyone so okay here's what i will tell
0:13:20you and nothing against j.crew and I'm
0:13:22pretty positive it was j.crew that we
0:13:24got this from systemic a nice backpack
0:13:25and it was funny because I remember like
0:13:28I guess I I feel like they probably
0:13:29maybe sign up for a new account because
0:13:31my like didn't my old password or
0:13:33something
0:13:33long story short i think i got at least
0:13:35eight emails from them having bought
0:13:37what exactly one item some of them with
0:13:39things saying we received your order
0:13:40other things that you're others on the
0:13:42way but then I started getting like
0:13:43daily emails from them and that and it's
0:13:46like you know I the thing is there are
0:13:48their argument just say there are good
0:13:50mailing lists in the world that are
0:13:52worth signing up for and people will
0:13:53send you something informative every day
0:13:55and that that's a good thing i have
0:13:56never to my knowledge at least in the in
0:13:59the in the contemporary Internet age
0:14:02like in the last 10 years I have never
0:14:04intentionally asked a vendor to email me
0:14:07about anything everything back in fact
0:14:09kind of stuff about computers i scan the
0:14:12page for the place where i can click the
0:14:13dingus to say i don't want to get the
0:14:15ensure you have to go if the dig down
0:14:17through several layers to find the place
0:14:19where you say please don't ever email me
0:14:21right but even still like if you buy
0:14:23stuff from third parties on amazon they
0:14:25sent him your information so something
0:14:27that i bought like three years ago i
0:14:28still get stuff about that and so
0:14:30finally I had to just you know mash on
0:14:32the the spam button a bunch of times to
0:14:34get you know the decreased us know
0:14:36anyway
0:14:37I think so what was the nature what was
0:14:39the nature of your texts
0:14:42well I deleted it but it first of all it
0:14:44had a lot of a it had a lot of emojis
0:14:47emojis
0:14:49uh-huh little star emojis and happy face
0:14:52emojis and snowflake emojis it was a a
0:14:55very long text and it was telling me
0:14:58that there were special offers for me
0:15:00about michael kors products and i'm
0:15:05assuming a question about the Great the
0:15:07the great American designer met course
0:15:09i'm assuming that he is a clothes
0:15:11designer fashion design a project runway
0:15:13yeah he has stores he designs things and
0:15:16he looks like an oompa loompa
0:15:17I i'm not familiar with him with his
0:15:19work and and it is not the type of thing
0:15:23I mean generally when I see things like
0:15:25that that I don't want to see a name of
0:15:27a fashion designer
0:15:29yeah i-i-i a large it somewhere in the
0:15:32back of my head as a as a thing to you
0:15:34can make a joke about sometimes has it
0:15:36that well as the thing i mean i-i not
0:15:38sure
0:15:38karl lagerfeld I put about half of it in
0:15:40in a play in a place in my brain where I
0:15:42where I catalog names of things to hate
0:15:44and then half of it in the other part of
0:15:47my brain which is like what if i'm at a
0:15:49cocktail party and I meet this guy I'd
0:15:52better you know I'd better like have
0:15:55some connection i bet the familiarity of
0:15:58like this guy is a fashion designer so I
0:16:01don't walk up to her and say I loved
0:16:03your show all the great haha
0:16:06Oh what shall i ah you know what you
0:16:11what you can watch for the one that down
0:16:13everybody gets at some point arm
0:16:16watch out for a text involving
0:16:18discounted prices on premium brand
0:16:21sunglasses
0:16:22yo that's what everybody's been getting
0:16:24for like the last year come I i have
0:16:28noticed I've noticed that the thrift
0:16:29stores now almost universally recognized
0:16:34the value of their vintage sunglasses
0:16:37all interesting used to be i would find
0:16:41I would find ray bans by the bucketload
0:16:45for ninety-nine cents at Goodwill's and
0:16:48they didn't they were oblivious to them
0:16:49and I
0:16:49what walked into a good will the other
0:16:51day and they had a pair of raybans up
0:16:54under the glass which was a bad sign and
0:16:57then I was like how much do you want for
0:16:59those because you know I've converted to
0:17:01a new the new way of thinking I'm going
0:17:03to pay a little bit of money i see i
0:17:04understand tough for you to accept it
0:17:07but it's like I guess it's ok it's very
0:17:09hard for me to accept these things are
0:17:10worth money I knew it before you seem to
0:17:13know what they're outrageous and John
0:17:15you've been to the goodwill by our house
0:17:16that with the family now fancy goodwill
0:17:18with no shirts and there's no way that
0:17:21that ten-year-old shirt cost that much
0:17:22when they put it out
0:17:24well that's ridiculous that's exactly
0:17:26right and i said to the woman like how
0:17:27much is the how much you want for those
0:17:29and she said $99 and eyes at $99 that
0:17:37seems like a lot of knowledge for you
0:17:38son
0:17:39they're not that much more new with a
0:17:43case and she's like she shrugged was
0:17:46like I know what can i say like oh man
0:17:49$99 not respond to some of this text
0:17:53here in some that I've gotten about
0:17:55every week or two I get a similar text
0:17:59message the most here's one recently
0:18:00Merlin to the name you have been matched
0:18:02with TV show starring Denis Leary
0:18:04auditions approaching soon
0:18:06what ya pays 842 dollars a day it's a
0:18:09very specific number
0:18:10Merlin you have been matched the TV show
0:18:12directed by mark wahlberg auditions this
0:18:14week and they're all las vegas telephone
0:18:17numbers they're all from 702 phone
0:18:18numbers are Robert De Niro I could work
0:18:20with Robert De Niro I could work on the
0:18:22hit TV series sirens I could be a fall
0:18:25modeling shoot for something called on
0:18:27tight blue now now how does this mean
0:18:30this seems very specific on the the in
0:18:35the sense that they have to know that
0:18:37you are somebody who like this feels
0:18:40like it's coming from inside your brain
0:18:43as a house now right well yeah i mean
0:18:45what you don't know how much your stuff
0:18:47is already out there but it's it's now
0:18:49they know my you know my name and they
0:18:51know my google voice number and they
0:18:52text it so yeah you would
0:18:54but that you might that you might like
0:18:56seriously be considering i mean for me
0:18:59write a text like that I would
0:19:01how would I be like you when it's
0:19:05healthy more that's finally dinero has
0:19:07finally asked for me by name
0:19:10yeah yeah you know the thing about a
0:19:13scam is it's been years now incense a
0:19:16scam look like the scam you thought it
0:19:18was
0:19:19and the problem is to date the scams are
0:19:21so complex that i mean i think it's i
0:19:25think sometimes when with things like
0:19:26this i wonder if some of these are just
0:19:28a way of verifying the most important
0:19:31thing in a scam which is that you will
0:19:32respond right so there's something on
0:19:35the end of the on the other end of the
0:19:36line
0:19:37oh yeah here's the thing and he's always
0:19:38have a pattern to these are basically
0:19:39just spit out by some kind of an
0:19:41algorithm so it's got it says Merlin you
0:19:43have been matched with something and
0:19:45then it'll say where it's accepting
0:19:46submissions for something the name of a
0:19:48celebrity something about editions a
0:19:49phone number and it always ends with
0:19:51reply stop to stop because you know in
0:19:54SMS you're supposed to be able to i
0:19:56think maybe legally you're supposed to
0:19:58be able to type the four letters sto p
0:20:00and never contact you again
0:20:01of course it doesn't work it's the same
0:20:03way people used to reply to spammable
0:20:05please could you I could you please put
0:20:07me on your do not mail list because i
0:20:09don't like to receive unsolicited email
0:20:11and all that does is prove the treatment
0:20:13works when you respond to spam it just
0:20:15shows that your email account works and
0:20:17be you respond to things and here's what
0:20:19every salesperson nose is there are
0:20:21people out there who think they don't
0:20:23respond to salespeople but as long as
0:20:25you're talking they're still closing
0:20:26when you're talking to a spammer but why
0:20:29are you talking to them like where you
0:20:30usually yell at a wall but know that now
0:20:33they know that your account works so
0:20:35many years without one that get you
0:20:36something else
0:20:37ten years ago my wife replied to some
0:20:40send in some card from a magazine and I
0:20:43print plant Bayou salespeople ever since
0:20:45oh let me see let me say grace grace up
0:20:49any ten thousand dollars in cash and the
0:20:51american express card but grace
0:20:55oh I really I really want to get into
0:20:58that old could've gotten last time I'll
0:21:00Gil really love this one
0:21:02you know I I know you don't find my work
0:21:05but did you know how much i adore that
0:21:06movie
0:21:07it's a very good it's a very good movie
0:21:09and the guy in that scene is we're
0:21:11talking about
0:21:12glengarry glen ross and the course
0:21:14Jaclyn is purely can there be can there
0:21:16be anybody who listens to this program
0:21:17who isn't who hasn't watched glengarry
0:21:20glen ross a hundred times there's always
0:21:24something to surprise us jon was always
0:21:26something that is a private eye I think
0:21:28it's safe to say probably have not watch
0:21:30it as many times as I have watched it
0:21:31for example right now and film addition
0:21:34to film you can watch in 90 minutes
0:21:35there are young people out there are
0:21:38your classic 22 year olds you know who
0:21:41it's very hard to know what they've seen
0:21:43and what they haven't seen that makes to
0:21:47what the Fox said but they've never seen
0:21:48Hitchcock film murder my god i suddenly
0:21:55hate myself so much its back
0:21:58I saw the juicy the rhubarb rhubarb
0:22:02everybody you know entirely unacceptable
0:22:05did you see this road warrior reboot
0:22:10hell no I saw all this talk on the
0:22:14internet about a road warrior trailer
0:22:16right firstly easy joke and I said what
0:22:19oh that's right easy joke that just that
0:22:22just set off a bot in you all right you
0:22:25joke is I'm just I'm just sitting there
0:22:26in the peanut gallery watching other
0:22:27people who hate their life way to make
0:22:29the easy joke about anything anybody
0:22:30says
0:22:31wow black pressure high priority from
0:22:33prepare all paper ready or more likely
0:22:37bubble bobble it seems like you and like
0:22:40guys just got a glimpse behind the
0:22:41current might have been hacked the that
0:22:46Ronald Reagan more like huh 450,000
0:22:49different scripts that are running you
0:22:51all the time
0:22:52am i right he jumped so people are
0:22:57talking about the blade runner gernot
0:22:59blade runner the growth of the road
0:23:01warrior trailer on Twitter and I'm like
0:23:03why why suddenly are half a dozen people
0:23:07i follow going back and watching a movie
0:23:09trailer from 1981
0:23:10and then I was sitting around the house
0:23:15and I was made aware of the fact that
0:23:18they have are making a new road warrior
0:23:20movie and you know road warrior uh was
0:23:26it was very important to me i would say
0:23:30one of the real foundational artworks
0:23:34everything my camera you know you can't
0:23:37be serious
0:23:38you can't be serious twenty-two-year-old
0:23:40you hate like the app class
0:23:42what were you doing in 1981 that the
0:23:45road warrior did not appeal to you
0:23:46masturbating and throwing saving throws
0:23:49at separate times some gentleman and you
0:23:54know my dad took me to see it he was
0:23:57like I was so I was so into it of course
0:24:00i couldn't he isn t it was rated R and I
0:24:03was well was an identity one where you
0:24:06were yesterday / 13 so well yeah is that
0:24:12right yeah I guess that's right are 68
0:24:15right yeah okay and I know I think I was
0:24:19probably 12 because mm my birthday's in
0:24:22September I think the movie came out
0:24:23matter in the summer but anyway I went
0:24:25with the one of my dad and the movie was
0:24:28you know obviously graphically violent
0:24:31and there's all every kind of violence
0:24:35but as a pyromaniac there were there's a
0:24:41lot of fire in that movie that was very
0:24:44exciting to me and at you know that was
0:24:46at an age when any appearance of fire on
0:24:49the screen fire was always the star of
0:24:51any film but it had all the ingredients
0:24:56it had all that it had all the Red Dawn
0:25:00a post-apocalyptic lawlessness cool
0:25:04outfits big guns you are people with
0:25:07need hair
0:25:08yeah people with need here people are
0:25:10lots of quotable lines foreign accents
0:25:14it just seemed that and federal like
0:25:19yeah like fast driving and dangerous
0:25:22behavior
0:25:23number one dangerous behavior movie so
0:25:28anyway this thing this this movie
0:25:30resonated with me
0:25:31I've seen it 1,000 times did you seek
0:25:34out the CGC count the new version of the
0:25:36trailer for the new one
0:25:38well so this was the thing so I heard I
0:25:40heard about it I was like oh god I have
0:25:41to go now and watch this thing I don't
0:25:43want to and I and I think it decide what
0:25:49part of this is gonna make me make that
0:25:50I've justice i'm so mad already
0:25:52and-and-and-and interestingly when I
0:25:56found out that charlize theron was in
0:26:00the film e that did not turn me against
0:26:04it right away
0:26:05oh I was that turn you against it
0:26:08well this is the thing it there were
0:26:10there were 400 actresses that could have
0:26:12been cast in that movie and 390 of them
0:26:15would have turned me against it
0:26:16immediately
0:26:17oh ok right you're thinking you're
0:26:19thinking no guarantee but she could pull
0:26:22it off but I but of all the actresses
0:26:24charlize theron is has been a very small
0:26:27group of people where I'm like me okay I
0:26:30believe it's still like it could even be
0:26:33good with her disaster on the face of it
0:26:35because she is an actress who's willing
0:26:38to make herself ugly in order to yes
0:26:42she's teaching me that she's also she's
0:26:44got a hilarious sense of humor very much
0:26:47already self-effacing percerin that
0:26:50between two ferns no no that that shows
0:26:53a little close to home for me but a 28
0:26:58people in your in your basic she has she
0:27:01has a real physicality you know she has
0:27:03there's a lot of there's a lot of things
0:27:05in which I could see her sort of like be
0:27:08of the proto humongous and and take over
0:27:11the film so I'm like okay I'm into it
0:27:13you know and i go and i click and i
0:27:15watch this trailer and it's one of these
0:27:18movies where a car gets into an accident
0:27:20and then the tire comes off the car and
0:27:23instead of bouncing across the desert it
0:27:27comes straight at the camera boy and
0:27:30then you see the tire treads on it as it
0:27:32goes by and bad cut
0:27:35it it right and there's you know all
0:27:37super slo-mo and people things blowing
0:27:40up the implausible car wrecks very high
0:27:43flames
0:27:44yeah where cars are are tumbling upset
0:27:47you know like there's the that they're
0:27:49in a recommendation and they roll 40
0:27:52times and in the space of that somebody
0:27:54slides out the window manages to me and
0:27:57walk across the ground pick up the car
0:27:59keys and get back in the rolling car in
0:28:02time solution behind without turning
0:28:04around
0:28:04yeah right and they open the glove box
0:28:06and the car is still rolling it's just
0:28:08like fuck you a thousand million times
0:28:10yeah so a people are really excited
0:28:14about they're really excited about Star
0:28:15Wars i don't i don't care i just think
0:28:24you may have just turns I'm kind of
0:28:26important public corner in old man
0:28:28that's so I but i watch that watch the
0:28:31watch the online advertisement for the
0:28:35film and was an alternately
0:28:40disappointing possible that some people
0:28:45like Star Wars I didn't get the boots
0:28:49that it if you picture me in a giant
0:28:53shawl collar cardigan sweater angrily
0:28:57slamming a book it's basically the for
0:29:01the the the French father in Munich and
0:29:04you know chopping chopping up some
0:29:07shallots like you could have been my son
0:29:10onp our dad um snow boots for you know
0:29:17our mmm i did I actually did get some
0:29:23boots
0:29:23ok good baby it will work they weren't
0:29:26talking climbing boots you know there's
0:29:28no no because we're kind of on the
0:29:30record publicly the UI I think you are
0:29:32it sounded like you were really heavily
0:29:34weighing toward soon as you hit the
0:29:37skype button you're going to walk
0:29:38outside and by a wooden fork and spoon
0:29:41well so here's what happened someone on
0:29:43Twitter yes I saw ya right info then I
0:29:45made us aware of a talk about technology
0:29:47that we've been missed
0:29:48they did they were like what the what
0:29:50are you doing giggling why don't you get
0:29:52chopsticks and I was like oh boy haha
0:29:55what the hell have I been doing
0:29:58why am i not carrying chopsticks all the
0:30:00time because chopsticks you can use for
0:30:01about the thousand applications you know
0:30:05points points the clever Twitter guy who
0:30:07shall take yeah great
0:30:11uh-huh next time you are around a fire
0:30:14where people are eating stew pull out
0:30:17some chopsticks and so kind of response
0:30:19you get
0:30:19good point good point wait a minute you
0:30:22bring a fork now but I have these
0:30:23chopsticks turn into a pen
0:30:27good point okay but you're repping right
0:30:31partner yeah whatever wish and you
0:30:33wanted to be like an audible wish that
0:30:35you're pulling out your Claymore and you
0:30:37go here and you got a fork classic scene
0:30:40in the road warrior also where where
0:30:44where the road warrior himself Mad Max
0:30:47particular red wire that's right opens a
0:30:50can of dog food
0:30:51he has a dog yeah right he's got like an
0:30:54Australian Shepherd candidates right a
0:30:55little australian shepherd dog he opens
0:30:57a can of dog food and you as the viewer
0:30:59in 1981 as a thirteen-year-old boy 1981
0:31:02you're like oh he's gonna feed his dog
0:31:04and then he pulls out a fork from inside
0:31:10his leather costume and starts eating
0:31:13the dog food which was maybe as shocking
0:31:19thing as any of the death or
0:31:23dismemberment that you see in the film
0:31:24on first viewing like to see the dog
0:31:27food and then we've seen so much growth
0:31:29stuff in the 30 years since then that
0:31:31you forget that there was a time with
0:31:32something like that would really got cut
0:31:34off your lunch just like whoa but then I
0:31:36think Kevin Costner drinking is P very
0:31:38heavily influenced i'm not sure i saw
0:31:40that movie that would be the water felt
0:31:41waterworld no didn't see that movie
0:31:44didn't see water world because I because
0:31:49I follow the adage of a whichever
0:31:52director it was who said don't never
0:31:54make it never direct a film on water
0:31:56forgetting that was that's a quote
0:31:59that's a wikiquote that's sounds like
0:32:01Wallace Shawn in princess bride i think
0:32:03it was before final and land war in Asia
0:32:05never direct a film never direct a film
0:32:08on open water never go up against a
0:32:10sicilian when death is on the line cut
0:32:14some in Saturday's it is still so funny
0:32:18the way said that kind of second sanity
0:32:24any man under the giant but wait the
0:32:30other there's more sorry for a civilian
0:32:33fork is more to this dog food story ok
0:32:36so he's getting the dog food but of
0:32:37course there that's the moment when the
0:32:38film blows up in your mind's mascot
0:32:41because because you're like it's not
0:32:42just that they're driving around in the
0:32:45desert and the than that
0:32:46there don't appear to be any police it
0:32:49truly is the end times it's a great
0:32:53example show don't tell a cannibal today
0:32:56you would get a crawl like four
0:32:58paragraph crawl with a voiceover and
0:33:01some sprite news bits
0:33:03that's what they do today they do that
0:33:05Planet of the Apes movie they doing all
0:33:06these movies now swimming these people
0:33:10leaving dog 30 Mike yet but in that you
0:33:12just all you do you show that you show
0:33:13that seem like oh shit got real right
0:33:15now I understand the entire you the
0:33:17entire world of the film
0:33:19yeah but as he's eating the can of dog
0:33:21food the dog is watching him licking his
0:33:23lips but also the gyro captain is
0:33:28watching him and he was a Greek rest
0:33:32that not the euro captain the gyro cabin
0:33:39I gotta look this up i'm sorry i'm doing
0:33:41out in this match the road where you're
0:33:43talking this is the road warrior the
0:33:44gyro captain's watching him and the gyro
0:33:47captain reaches into his gyro captain
0:33:50costume and pulls out a wooden mixing
0:33:54spoon that is like heavily used
0:34:00and then they then again show don't tell
0:34:03the world
0:34:04double triple explodes because you
0:34:07realize every single person in this
0:34:09world is carrying an eating utensil in
0:34:12his coat and the gyro captain has chosen
0:34:16a wooden make wooden mixing spoon not
0:34:18because that's the best tool but it's
0:34:21because the it's the tool that he found
0:34:22who
0:34:24and you're just like get this film is
0:34:27owning me owning me as a
0:34:29thirteen-year-old and I think that was
0:34:32that is the beginning
0:34:33uh-huh that's the beginning of this
0:34:35feeling that I should always have an
0:34:37eating utensil and then the question is
0:34:39are you a road warrior who has a fucking
0:34:41fork or are you a gyro captain is
0:34:43carrying around a mixing spoon a
0:34:45smartass and Twitter that is chocolate
0:34:46is me
0:34:49actually you don't have a lot of the
0:34:50similar factors by having chopsticks
0:34:52which is an ancient tool that you can
0:34:53use its not feel like you don't want to
0:34:56show especially by having your house
0:34:57right now and it should have a you have
0:35:00a little leather toolkit that i unroll
0:35:02it has a spring for jobs
0:35:05that's all you got your daily carry what
0:35:07they call it the sushi sites where
0:35:09people show what they put their pockets
0:35:11oh I have seen those it really carry
0:35:15it's a thing it's a whole genre it's
0:35:18like let me take you on an excruciating
0:35:21tour of the various kinds of costly
0:35:22knives i keeping this letter back
0:35:24oh my daily carry as you gotta you gotta
0:35:27show for costly wristwatch expensive pen
0:35:29some kind of of a fancy knife and then
0:35:33there's gotta be usually some kind of a
0:35:35dingus that's extra super 22 clever
0:35:38oh it's like some time dependent a
0:35:39lighter or something appendix a lighter
0:35:43yeah mine a did the music for metals to
0:35:46all right don't have to tell me
0:35:48wow I love that guy and the music is
0:35:50very evocative
0:35:52there's a lot of that I have yeah I had
0:35:56my Clarice inside the Highlands for him
0:35:58oh there had his hot licks I are you
0:36:01talking about the the how to you by the
0:36:04hot lets you forget that it's a it's a
0:36:06VHS tape right mines Cosette the king
0:36:09was a little booklet
0:36:10oh and it was amazing because it's only
0:36:12was all just recorded in one take
0:36:14everything is broken away from Queen you
0:36:17know how your mother down and they play
0:36:19the original and then he slowly plays it
0:36:21for you and you learn that I learn to
0:36:22play bohemian rhapsody was really
0:36:24fantastic i was fantastic
0:36:26no I never the one time I was watching
0:36:30MTV and for some reason
0:36:34oh yeah this is office is even more
0:36:36embarrassing i was going to tell you
0:36:37what my daily carriers but now i'm not
0:36:39going to hear both I want to circle back
0:36:40around to it up switching gears and
0:36:42carry can't forget it i'm watching MTV
0:36:45early days has to be about nineteen
0:36:48eighty one two and they're interviewing
0:36:52eric clapton and this was before I had
0:36:57the before I had the realization that
0:37:01that there was something dead inside of
0:37:03eric clapton and it was nothing before
0:37:08his like second big comeback
0:37:11it was before they went after midnight
0:37:13no no that nose for what's the one it's
0:37:15just no way that you use it was brother
0:37:18that one right and and and and there was
0:37:21a there was a good song on that record
0:37:23like a man who's better too bad but i
0:37:26forget what i look like i went but there
0:37:28were there were there was some good some
0:37:32friends of mine actually want to see him
0:37:33on that to her i didn't i didn't go you
0:37:36know that was the arrow that was the era
0:37:38when sixties rock stars were appearing
0:37:39onstage and like dusters
0:37:43oh absolutely there has been a long
0:37:45coming back out of it
0:37:46yeah they're all coming out of the
0:37:47woodwork there in their forties coming
0:37:48out of the woodwork with something you
0:37:50know more palatable version of something
0:37:52that they did kind of done in the
0:37:53sixties and seventies yeah but they but
0:37:55they had a mullet
0:37:56I think he did have a leather duster I
0:37:58think you're right leather duster and a
0:38:00moment and and and you know and it's I'm
0:38:03sad to say because now I'm in my forties
0:38:06like like oh it could it be that these
0:38:11guys were still feeling pretty relevant
0:38:13oh I've been more successful when I was
0:38:15young like it's like they did it exactly
0:38:17forever man
0:38:19already my own she's waiting she was
0:38:28things you wanna you wanna have a
0:38:30forever woman because that's a nice
0:38:32pairing with the forever man
0:38:33registered earlier bergere anyway this
0:38:36is always the amount of time it said to
0:38:38say those words to write them was before
0:38:41I understood there was something
0:38:43permanently dead inside and he was on
0:38:47MTV and you know and I was like oh
0:38:50Clapton Clapton yeah and he's talking
0:38:53about his guitar playing and he's got a
0:38:55guitar in his hand and so like I reach
0:38:58over and I push record on the Betamax
0:39:01player that we had that I kept that I
0:39:05kept in there to record all the UH the
0:39:09bikini running scenes at the end of
0:39:11Benny Hill House so like if i ZZ Top it
0:39:14came on you just run over hit record and
0:39:16you're good i can catch it right get a
0:39:19burner in there and so he so clapping
0:39:21journeys like you know Margot teleport
0:39:24so you know the really simple man I mean
0:39:26it's not like that's not a very good
0:39:28Clapton accent but and he said putting
0:39:32students you know one of the things I do
0:39:33that I'm kind of doing George Harrison
0:39:35ringo starr accent right i don't think
0:39:37it's a little bit Liverpool he says you
0:39:41know I play a other one of these licks
0:39:43and he goes for about that battle power
0:39:47and i was like he just showed me how to
0:39:50play guitar lick and I I rewound the
0:39:57tape a hundred times and I learned
0:40:02this guitar lick that's a pretty good
0:40:09lick and I was like wow
0:40:15let me do that again and basically that
0:40:20one quitarle Suzie that's the only
0:40:23guitar like I ever learned and it's the
0:40:27foundation of every single guitar solo
0:40:29I've ever played wow and I don't like
0:40:34like when I was staying at your house
0:40:36one of the first times we ever met
0:40:38no not one of the first time and we've
0:40:40been friends for a while but you sort of
0:40:42our first probably one of our first
0:40:43high-level meetings
0:40:44yeah you showed me that's a pretty good
0:40:49one that's that is super hand and I was
0:40:54like that's a killer guitar riff that
0:40:55was the 2nd r if I'd ever ever notice
0:40:57season 206 you ever need a reasonably
0:41:00everything in G that's it /a do you know
0:41:05the you know also know the the rocks off
0:41:09one right which one is rocks our l just
0:41:14want to go like I I my guitars all
0:41:16fucked up the can get some Chinese right
0:41:19now but you know what to write all you
0:41:21need to know a way that i know i know
0:41:24one more
0:41:24[Music]
0:41:27that's good little walk down there so
0:41:32those are those of the guitar licks that
0:41:33I know and that one that I learned from
0:41:36Clapton from my from my beta tape of him
0:41:39sitting at in an mtv studio telling
0:41:41Martha Quinn that he'd that all of his
0:41:43guitar parts were actually really simple
0:41:45and and I felt like after I learned that
0:41:50one guitar part i was good i was covered
0:41:54right i have you can extrapolate a lot
0:41:56from this simple things
0:41:57yeah right and so then you know so that
0:41:59i did that every day every time i got a
0:42:01chance and a little by little I think
0:42:04maybe then off of a cassette tape I
0:42:07learned the solo for bad moon rising
0:42:11that's a good one this one this is what
0:42:13I was talking about with this one you
0:42:14can find always find a good place for
0:42:16this i'm not sure i'm not sure i do this
0:42:20kind of a little Keith Richards see for
0:42:22the bear
0:42:23yeah that's a nice one I should be
0:42:26working with you when we're in a little
0:42:27box somebody shows you the little box em
0:42:30right you know talking about probably
0:42:32the little box somebody drew me the
0:42:34little box on a piece of on a piece of
0:42:36it or permanently it's it's one of those
0:42:37things it's like cab and who's the who's
0:42:41the guy who's the psychologist that low
0:42:43yet no oh yes I care of it
0:42:46doctor doctor doctor here for cereals
0:42:49you know who I'm gonna be the guy that's
0:42:51not fried the other guy but can't take
0:42:56art can I do anymore right now haha it's
0:43:02like a union thing for me o.o you I I
0:43:06see little bomb was nothing but you're
0:43:10bombarded by the pentatonic I could see
0:43:13that on our fretboard like in my brain
0:43:15all the time i see it to either the
0:43:20funniest thing whatever I tune the
0:43:22guitar tech cart
0:43:24whatever I'd tune the guitar and
0:43:29recognizing that you bend the fifth I
0:43:33think about the intersection
0:43:35of northern lights are you doing
0:43:39intersection and been some i am a victim
0:43:42of the intersection of but i'm actually
0:43:44thinking of B intersection of two
0:43:45streets in Anchorage way and for
0:43:48whatever reason it's imprinted in a day
0:43:51cartoon fashion the Cartesian fashion
0:43:53occasion pyramid it takes to love that
0:43:56show like the Cartesian water that makes
0:43:58our beer so delicious haha the mail and
0:44:04cheese for whatever reason this and i'm
0:44:08sure i well I hope other people have
0:44:10this experience where certain like a
0:44:14certain completely unrelated memories
0:44:17get attached 20 actions that you have
0:44:22that you do frequently that you've been
0:44:23doing for forever and and you know every
0:44:26time you brush your teeth you think
0:44:27about the march of dimes or yeah it's
0:44:32time I everytime i tune my guitar I
0:44:35think about this particular intersection
0:44:36in Anchorage I'm just marched and
0:44:40marched dogs you know when you think
0:44:45about that that's kind of a funny and
0:44:47something every dollars made a dog
0:44:48that's what ones and cheese and now from
0:44:50now on I will think of the march of
0:44:52dimes every time I brush my teeth and I
0:44:53don't know why one of those one of the
0:44:56low after i graduated from high school I
0:44:58was at the mall with a good friend of
0:45:00mine and he was moving away and we were
0:45:03walking around the mall and we stopped
0:45:05at a drinking fountain and he said you
0:45:09know he took a drink and then i'm taking
0:45:10a drink and as i'm taking a drink he
0:45:12said I want you every time you see the
0:45:16little drain at the bottom of a drinking
0:45:19fountain
0:45:20I want you to think of me oh whoa
0:45:25and I was like I said whoa he was trying
0:45:30to colonize my brain
0:45:32he was trying to put himself he was he
0:45:33just didn't know I've never met him and
0:45:35now i'm gonna do that
0:45:37yeah he did not that he did not want to
0:45:38be forgotten and she was walking around
0:45:41the mall and he was like how do i make
0:45:42sure that I'm not forgotten
0:45:44it's like everytime you every time you
0:45:46bend over to take a drink of water
0:45:48the drinking fountain I want you and you
0:45:50see that little that little drained i
0:45:52want you to think of me pretty
0:45:56and did it work well no because nobody's
0:46:02drinking fountains that much
0:46:03well above or it was it's just a thing
0:46:06of like I'm not gonna be I'm not so
0:46:08easily colonized but i do remember that
0:46:12moment and I thought about it many times
0:46:15as a kind of example of human frailty
0:46:19man I'm cool I'm from the opposite that
0:46:22but I'm the opposite of that I i can
0:46:26still tell you specifically i remember i
0:46:27mean there's so much dumb shit where you
0:46:29could get into my brain so easily it's
0:46:31appalling it so now I got some for tooth
0:46:34brushing and then i won't remember this
0:46:35conversation and now on the podcast six
0:46:37months from now that you know what's
0:46:38funny is everything which particular
0:46:40markedly I don't remember what I've ever
0:46:41told you the story that's pretty crazy
0:46:43but I am but I remember one time my mom
0:46:46stopped at at a like fate manifested
0:46:50like a 7-eleven type places they've got
0:46:52it can get film for the camera and I
0:46:54said okay she's good just going to get
0:46:56this you gotta get the Kodak film kodak
0:46:581 1020 exposure
0:47:00okay what is it kodak 1 1020 exposure
0:47:042110 exposure one-tenth exposure 1 1020
0:47:08exposure that's when I was like ten and
0:47:10i still have 1 1020 exposure how my
0:47:12brain and I don't have to come up with
0:47:14an antidote
0:47:15oh yeah 30 38 years ago my mom said 120
0:47:18closer to me and i still can think of it
0:47:21very very easily i'll never forget one
0:47:22tenth exposure look for bread quarter
0:47:25milk stick of butter and a loaf of bread
0:47:29quart of milk stick of butter much and
0:47:31I've I have to think that my brain is
0:47:35full of those things too and they come
0:47:39out they come out all the time and you
0:47:41wonder when you get one of those flash
0:47:44memories where it just seems like you're
0:47:47here you're filling up your brain with
0:47:49something else and all of a sudden it's
0:47:50like well we gotta get we gotta push
0:47:52this thing out and you're just
0:47:54transported to to some memory that you
0:47:58have never had access to its like
0:47:59teleportation for me and
0:48:01and I think for me probably the music
0:48:03the musicality of like the way the way
0:48:06somebody said something there's a
0:48:07certain musicality that really made it
0:48:10stick in my head maybe it made me laugh
0:48:11and made an emotional impact as well but
0:48:14there are there's probably dozens of
0:48:15things like that
0:48:16the doorman outside of a bar as far as
0:48:18I'm concerned all you knew waivers are
0:48:20in purgatory
0:48:21I'll never forget that line haha
0:48:24outside outside of but it was New Wave
0:48:26night at a gay bar leg as well as far as
0:48:27I'm concerned all you new waiver in
0:48:29purgatory and that line it's just a tune
0:48:31in my head forever
0:48:32sure murmurs good record if you like
0:48:33keyboard oriented music the phrase
0:48:35keyboard oriented music it's just stuck
0:48:38in my head
0:48:39why would you say that while i was like
0:48:4050 different ways why would you ever
0:48:42seen murrs a good record if you like
0:48:43keyboard oriented music keyboard
0:48:45oriented music and I don't think about
0:48:47your keyboards on my camera yet camera
0:48:49got some piano on it and that's pretty
0:48:51much it
0:48:52keyboard oriented new keyboard oriented
0:48:54music said the guy at vinyl fever in
0:48:56tampa florida in 1983 my god Shawn
0:49:01Nelson is full of great quotes like that
0:49:03the most famous bacon it it's not a
0:49:08friend
0:49:09no not another jumper the most famous
0:49:11one is oh well god I can't I can't I
0:49:16can't lose it now
0:49:18oh no I never seen anyone so God all
0:49:23stupid as you put oil on the radiator is
0:49:28that a quote that's a quote the
0:49:30Shondells put oil in his car ready
0:49:32his car was overheating or something was
0:49:33like oh shit me when you screw the cap
0:49:36was like uh I guess you put oil in here
0:49:38and put fucking corn oil and Israelis
0:49:40are you kidding
0:49:42take it to a mechanic somewhere in
0:49:43Virginia the never seen it oh no I'm
0:49:46sorry never seen anyone as shit all
0:49:48stupid
0:49:49that's it better as shit all stupid as
0:49:52you put oil in the radiator one-tenth
0:49:54exposure women but the the the memories
0:49:58that poor out of my head and the problem
0:50:00is one night when that happens I seized
0:50:03on them and I say please don't let this
0:50:06be the last time I remember this please
0:50:09brain do not be discouraging this memory
0:50:11and now i'm experiencing at this last
0:50:14time
0:50:14I'm i think about that too and then it's
0:50:16long and never know if that was the last
0:50:18time you wouldn't know right you're not
0:50:20going to recall it and so I grab these
0:50:22memories by the ankle and I'm like
0:50:25please don't go don't go and i and i
0:50:27reinforce them desperately trying to
0:50:30hold on to this feeling of like that
0:50:32just met just degrades it I I think of
0:50:34like knowing your little kit and like
0:50:35use number 44 silly putty was you can
0:50:38make it flat put it on the sunday
0:50:40funnies and then peel it off and you get
0:50:42a reverse image of the sunday funnies on
0:50:44there
0:50:44why would you want why you wanna do that
0:50:45I don't know but of course you do that
0:50:47you get really bloody you make a little
0:50:49pancake you put it on your dagwon
0:50:51blondie and you pull it off
0:50:53exactly how to do its dagwon body is
0:50:55where you put it to it's not like I'm
0:50:56going to get certificates blondie but
0:50:58you are you look at it then and so
0:51:00here's you got two things now on the one
0:51:01hand you kind of fucked up your silly
0:51:03putty a little bit with this wasn't a
0:51:05trauma know about you know what happened
0:51:06you removed a lot of the image from the
0:51:10page and the paper i do it again takes a
0:51:13little bit more the image off and to me
0:51:15that's how memories are I worry that
0:51:16each time at first I'm just removing a
0:51:19little bit of the clarity then I'm
0:51:21removing some of the color and
0:51:22eventually i'm actually destroying the
0:51:24linework m120 exposure attack ships
0:51:29burning off the shoulder of Orion here's
0:51:31in rain
0:51:32ah LTI I don't want you know if the
0:51:39things I've seen Merlin doll yeah sure
0:51:41you get the sea beams think the thing
0:51:44that that's it that's right CBS
0:51:45glittering off the 10 how's our gate
0:51:47every that that's going to go there
0:51:50uh-uh-uh-uh thing is that the seventies
0:51:55live so so vividly in my memory haha I
0:52:02indelible energy shiny secret huh i miss
0:52:06them every intonation of every
0:52:09commercial on the sole survivor
0:52:11I still have every note of that music in
0:52:13my head by bologna has a first date but
0:52:16listen this isn't working so it'll hurt
0:52:18i'm not just talking about the Museum of
0:52:20television industry are like dear
0:52:24remember when you pull into a gas
0:52:25station and there was a man up there was
0:52:27a person that came over and not wiped
0:52:29his hands on a rag and said I'll take
0:52:31you 1 further than the other up i'll
0:52:33take you 1 further than that I heard a
0:52:35sound last week and I i flipped out and
0:52:40my daughter my daughter obviously
0:52:41already thinks I'm not so I was like
0:52:43that sounds that sounds I was like
0:52:44that's the sound you used to hear when
0:52:46you pull into a gas station you know the
0:52:47same way
0:52:48ding ding because you drive over the
0:52:50thing and it goes to drive over the
0:52:52thing that goes ding ding when was the
0:52:54last time you drove everything with 20
0:52:56years it's got to be honest 20 years and
0:52:58it used to be used rover thing that went
0:53:00ding ding every freaking day all the
0:53:02time and remember your web but the thing
0:53:04is I don't know where it was my bencao a
0:53:06ringtone or something something on the
0:53:07radio but I heard something that sounded
0:53:08enough like the ding ding it's that tone
0:53:11ding ding and I heard that and I was
0:53:13instantly transported back to like the
0:53:15early oh now now I want one of those
0:53:18that would be so handy if you had one
0:53:21just like got bored here
0:53:23well just the problem is as you remember
0:53:26from the seventies
0:53:27yeah just could not you could not make
0:53:29the ding with your shoes
0:53:31nope i should try stand out there and
0:53:33jump on that hose and couldn't make it
0:53:36go ding so yeah it's not useful
0:53:40I want it unless you unless you own a
0:53:42garage or unless you are a car rental
0:53:44agency or some other thing where you
0:53:46want to be signaled that customers
0:53:48arriving by car
0:53:49I didn't mean to derail you but that had
0:53:51to mention that just because it was like
0:53:52less than a week ago that that sound had
0:53:55hurting years and was instantly like it
0:53:57was a sound that I heard every day still
0:53:59got instantly transported me back I feel
0:54:02like our young listeners right now are
0:54:04rolling their eyes so hard in their
0:54:06heads that they're going to have to go
0:54:08see a doctor because we are having an
0:54:11old man podcast now we're talking about
0:54:13things which Hiram I remember the oil
0:54:16embargo
0:54:18it's not it's not i said that to it
0:54:22there was a time when you couldn't buy
0:54:23ice cream everywhere people don't know
0:54:25yet now instead of america by cigarettes
0:54:27in a pharmacy like a gentleman
0:54:29what we doing we were waiting in line i
0:54:32was waiting in line with the guy that I
0:54:33could tell was 30 probably and I said to
0:54:37him by way of trying to like break the
0:54:40conversational ice better too young to
0:54:42remember the oil embargo and he looked
0:54:48at me he looked at me like i said uh you
0:54:52know like I had said something to the
0:54:54effect of work with it
0:54:57did you ever visit Prussia like your
0:55:01women that junior you're too young to
0:55:04remember the oil embargo I said by way
0:55:07of trying to commiserate with this guy
0:55:08that we were waiting in line at a coffee
0:55:10shop sounds like an awesome terrible
0:55:12pick-up line is going i was going to
0:55:14cancel out here that you too young to
0:55:16remember the oil embargo say how much do
0:55:20you know about the carter administration
0:55:21because I know a lot of members in ski
0:55:24every goal is to turn our thermostats
0:55:26number that is crazy man that helicopter
0:55:29and desert only a few years too old for
0:55:33sure you're altering the only got my god
0:55:36the first never voted for President was
0:55:38Ida caucus me too
0:55:41oh yeah really yeah but you were your
0:55:44age then to caucus and Benson my house a
0:55:48killer lineup
0:55:49it sure was sure was boy and and we lost
0:55:53we lost big time because you run around
0:55:54in that tank with that will fill fitting
0:55:56helmet all that's it turns out story i
0:55:57think i think that was a jamup you know
0:56:00he came to Spokane and I this was one of
0:56:03my first moments of sure like pure crowd
0:56:11work at the Dukakis was coming to speak
0:56:16at the at the big student sports
0:56:21pavilion at Gonzaga and they have down
0:56:26here we have yeah right it's called it's
0:56:28called father sitter dome
0:56:30and the sports arena SATs what let's say
0:56:36eight thousand people and twenty
0:56:40thousand people showed up to see Dukakis
0:56:44in spokane in 1988 and then no one was
0:56:46prepared for it and he was supposed to
0:56:49be there at eight pm and he and the
0:56:53sports stadium was full of people and
0:56:55then there was another in other words
0:56:57each just thousands of people outside
0:56:59who couldn't get in but didn't want to
0:57:02leave without getting a glimpse of the
0:57:06caucus and the police were there and
0:57:09they strung up ropes but they were
0:57:11completely outmatched and so the young
0:57:13democrats were trying to do crowd
0:57:18control and the audience was kind of
0:57:21that this huge crowd outside the stadium
0:57:23is kind of surging against this this
0:57:26rope line that they had and Dukakis
0:57:29didn't come it wasn't that it was 90 are
0:57:31you kidding that it was 930 and and
0:57:34people kept walking the line you know
0:57:37like with that the the a guy from the
0:57:40National Democratic Party would walk the
0:57:42line and say he's on his way everyone
0:57:44wear sarees just he's on his way it'll
0:57:46be a little bit longer and the crowd is
0:57:49is really a lot of people and pushing
0:57:54against this this rope line that's just
0:57:56being held by some undergraduates and
0:58:00they have this look of like total fear
0:58:02in their eyes and I'm in the crowd not
0:58:07involved with the young democrats not a
0:58:08part of the scene at all just came to
0:58:10see the caucus and once i got into the
0:58:13mob scene that I was just there to see
0:58:15the mob and it's kind of cold out the
0:58:20crowd is getting really Restless this
0:58:23guy's been by five or six times saying
0:58:26hey nobody knows it the will be here in
0:58:28a little while and people are starting
0:58:30to not believe them and they're starting
0:58:31to shout back at him and the crowd is
0:58:34pressing forward so that the the the
0:58:38young democrats in their little blue
0:58:40suits and their little blues like skirt
0:58:42then jacket combos are starting to get
0:58:46afraid like they're trying to get
0:58:48panicky they're getting pushed against
0:58:50this wall and there's not there's no
0:58:53room for them to to maneuver and there
0:58:57you know there's something so horrible
0:58:58way to die right because rushed atom.d
0:59:01caucus Dukakis rally that he didn't show
0:59:04up for and there squeaking at the crowd
0:59:07like can you please can't please
0:59:08everybody just take one step back
0:59:10everybody just take my step back and
0:59:13nobody hears them and nobody cares and
0:59:17you know the crowd is starting robble
0:59:20robble robble robble robble and a
0:59:22certain point this this gal that's right
0:59:26in front of me and she's exactly exactly
0:59:27my age she's probably 20 years old and
0:59:30she's just like please please everyone
0:59:32please David she starts to get that the
0:59:36sound of her voice and i'm watching this
0:59:39all go down and I was you know I was
0:59:42just thrilled to be in a in a crowd
0:59:44right but I I see it and I start to and
0:59:48I just have this like flash of of like
0:59:52oh no this this is actually a bad scene
0:59:54it hasn't gotten to be a bad scene yet
0:59:57but it is we are we're at the threat
0:59:57but it is we are we're at the threat
1:00:00old wear it once we cross it it's just a
1:00:02bad team like there's a point where it
1:00:05goes from old boy I hope this doesn't
1:00:06get worse too
1:00:07it's a matter of time until something
1:00:09terrible happens yeah and and kind of
1:00:11can you really can't pull back from that
1:00:13once it starts what had happened was no
1:00:15one was respecting anybody anymore and
1:00:18it was just a question of if to caucus
1:00:20that showed up at that moment it would
1:00:21have been you know would have just been
1:00:23chaos and so for whatever reason I
1:00:28ducked my head under the rope and this
1:00:31girl looked at me with like total panic
1:00:35like here it comes
1:00:36I ducked my head under the Rope I turned
1:00:38around face the crowd and I was like
1:00:40hello everybody can you can I get your
1:00:44attention please
1:00:46and I went into David Lee Roth mode and
1:00:50all of a sudden you know the 400 people
1:00:54that were closest to me had something to
1:00:57look at right all of a sudden there's a
1:00:58guy big guy who's talking in a voice
1:01:01that is audible right everyone all these
1:01:03all these the these undergraduates
1:01:05really pleased everybody's to pack and
1:01:07then all of a sudden there's like hello
1:01:09people and so everybody looks at me and
1:01:12I'm like I want i wanna i want to try
1:01:15something right now can I get everybody
1:01:18to just dosey doe back two steps and
1:01:23everybody steps back takes two steps and
1:01:25I was like very good all right now let's
1:01:28take it you know this is you know this
1:01:30secret wish to just do it like you're
1:01:31David Lee ro yeah I'm gonna get up and
1:01:35everybody takes another two steps back
1:01:36and then I was like tonight is going to
1:01:39be one of the greatest nights of our
1:01:40lives because we are gonna see mike
1:01:44dukakis and everybody kind of cheers but
1:01:46they also know that I'm that I'm mocking
1:01:49so that so they're like laughing and
1:01:51cheering and I just you know the the the
1:01:56top of my head's caught on fire and I
1:01:59was just like so all of a sudden now
1:02:01there's 1,500 people listening to me and
1:02:06laughing
1:02:07and I did 45 minutes 0 top of my voice
1:02:13stand-up comedy based on mike dukakis
1:02:17not having arrived yet and it was that I
1:02:22mean one of the first times that that
1:02:24that I never had that experience where
1:02:28it was just like oh I know what I'm put
1:02:30here on earth to do I am put here on
1:02:33earth to do this whatever this is and
1:02:36you know the young democrats were like
1:02:38all rallying behind me like they I I was
1:02:42their hero and they were like you know
1:02:44oh my god you've got you know please
1:02:45join the young democrats and always kind
1:02:48of crazy stuff and with my and then I
1:02:49had a team i had 10 people who were
1:02:52willing to work with me and for me to
1:02:55move this crowd and to get them to do
1:02:57things and I was like I want everybody
1:02:59to say on the count of three I want
1:03:00everybody say hey whoa you really found
1:03:03your instrument he found my instrument i
1:03:06did it was when you had the the monk
1:03:09down put a high was I was I was just
1:03:11sheepherder I was made to do this you
1:03:14know i had my i have my crook
1:03:16I had my I had my robe
1:03:19I am i canna dog food and my wooden
1:03:22spoon and I was like I will go I will
1:03:24follow this crowd now the crowd and I
1:03:26are together and we are one and then
1:03:28Dukakis arrived and i have I was
1:03:32whipping this crowd into a frenzy just
1:03:35like he's here
1:03:36the man himself mon Dieu God does the
1:03:39crowds like haha and Dukakis arrives his
1:03:43car drives over in through a in through
1:03:46like a garage door
1:03:48we never see him what he gives a gives a
1:03:5245-minute speech in the stadium to the
1:03:578,000 people that are in there and then
1:03:59that the whole time I'm out there like
1:04:01he's gonna come out you know making
1:04:03promises on behalf of mike dukakis no
1:04:05one has authorized me to do this but I'm
1:04:07like he's going to he's going to stand
1:04:09on that stare and he is going to tell us
1:04:12his plan for America
1:04:15I'm i turned into al pacino
1:04:18and and then at the end of the thing at
1:04:24the end of the rally and this is where
1:04:25this is where i lost my faith in the
1:04:27Democratic Party because they were
1:04:29national Democrats who were there and
1:04:32who were very happy about what I was
1:04:35doing very proud of me and and I was
1:04:38like he's gonna come and stand on that
1:04:40stare right there thousands of people
1:04:43out here we've been waiting for hours
1:04:44and they were like oh yeah they're
1:04:46talking into their little headset
1:04:47microphones and when mike dukakis was
1:04:49done he got in his car and he drove away
1:04:52and never appeared before this massive
1:04:57crowd that had that had that was
1:04:59standing at the basically the foot of
1:05:01the staircase that he could have walked
1:05:02out the door been like wave blow a kiss
1:05:06we all would have voted for him instead
1:05:09his his handlers probably didn't even
1:05:11tell him that crowd was out there or
1:05:13whatever but it wasn't it was a moment
1:05:16where when that crowd dispersed in
1:05:20feeling of disappointment like I stood
1:05:22there and shake hands with people I was
1:05:26like you know we went through this
1:05:28together this was this was us you and me
1:05:29and and i felt i was i was i was born
1:05:34again born again in the light and put
1:05:39like that could that could have been if
1:05:41you know if he had five or ten more
1:05:43moments like that around the country
1:05:45could maybe a little bit different
1:05:47although the I feel like I feel like it
1:05:50was I saw a glimpse behind the curtain
1:05:51of how not to run a political campaign
1:05:54it just because it really really seem to
1:05:56find buy that kind of a lack of energy
1:05:58and enthusiasm
1:05:59yeah and it was i I have to imagine I
1:06:02mean if some guy if some like balding
1:06:04guy in a in a in a light blue suit
1:06:07walked up to him after his speech and
1:06:10whispered in his ear a governor they're
1:06:13like 8,000 people out side here and
1:06:16there's we can just walk you up and like
1:06:18walk out the door and wave to them just
1:06:19making parents yeah okay
1:06:21i I don't I don't believe that he that
1:06:27he never received that information
1:06:28because no politician of any kind even a
1:06:31lackadaisical one would say now I kinda
1:06:35want to get to the hotel gonna catch
1:06:37Carson you know so what it was was a
1:06:39failure of the guy the balding guy in
1:06:42the blue suit
1:06:42whoo-hoo was concerned with timetables
1:06:46Oh governor we're already late
1:06:49we need to get back to the you know this
1:06:50is the thing that never would have
1:06:51happened with Bill Clinton right bill
1:06:54clinton always stood he went he would go
1:06:56out and shake that those people's hands
1:06:58until two o'clock in the morning but
1:07:00somebody you know the person whose job
1:07:03it was and that was that was what was so
1:07:05interesting about it because what stood
1:07:07out to me was there is somebody whose
1:07:09job this is but that person doesn't
1:07:12recognize that this is their job they've
1:07:15been given a job description they are
1:07:18they are following that job description
1:07:21that they are missing the fact that this
1:07:23is their job actually
1:07:25and so there is a there is this concept
1:07:29of a job description which is um which
1:07:34is solve problems as they arise or you
1:07:37know in other ways just to think that
1:07:38your your job you know I have this
1:07:40feeling sometimes that I don't mean to
1:07:42sound like mean or something but like
1:07:44that you know once you get any kind of
1:07:46to do anything good or big you
1:07:49eventually need to have some structure
1:07:50eventually like infrastructure and
1:07:52bureaucracy to run anything the promise
1:07:54once you introduce infrastructure and
1:07:55bureaucracy to anything the
1:07:56infrastructure and bureaucracy becomes
1:07:58the most important part of the product
1:07:59of the whole entire process in my
1:08:01opinion the bureaucracy will always win
1:08:03and I'll again unite we will not
1:08:06clapping song from the eighties that
1:08:08lyrics are always win with a
1:08:13and so in this instance though you have
1:08:15to understand like yes you're you're in
1:08:17your job is certainly to do your
1:08:18administrative stuff and make sure that
1:08:20he doesn't get you know sniped or
1:08:21anything like that but the motorway job
1:08:23is in that campaign no matter who you
1:08:25are is to notice an unrecognized
1:08:27opportunity and capitalize on it because
1:08:29that's a change in election
1:08:31yeah it's looking like oh shit man
1:08:33there's gotta be at least a couple
1:08:34people in this one over 7,000 people
1:08:36that could have a huge impact we don't
1:08:37even know it it's not going to damage
1:08:39more energy they're already here right
1:08:41when no brainer to go out there as a
1:08:42photo op and go oh he could've just
1:08:44going to watch Carson but he came out
1:08:45because it meant a lot to him to get in
1:08:47touch with the people who believed him
1:08:48in that program and it's the weird thing
1:08:50about unity finders everybody's job on
1:08:53that campaign is ultimately to get him
1:08:55elected and so and i'm sure there was
1:08:58sure the guy in the blue suit was like
1:09:00well you know he probably he needs his
1:09:04rest he's been going all day when this
1:09:07is a this is Spokane Washington like
1:09:10unimportant crowd an umbilical it's
1:09:12better to conserve his energy you know
1:09:15people making that kind of decision and
1:09:18and making them making them incorrectly
1:09:20because ultimately like everybody's job
1:09:26is the same on that campaign and it is
1:09:28to do whatever it takes to get him
1:09:30elected and I mean not whatever it takes
1:09:33whatever it takes within the law right
1:09:35whatever ethic whatever it takes within
1:09:37fxm the law but there's so much dynamism
1:09:40in every campaign like in retrospect you
1:09:42can see these big patterns and go well
1:09:44really everything after this date it was
1:09:45a foregone conclusion but you don't
1:09:47really ever know because you never know
1:09:48what's gonna come up you don't know it
1:09:50was like a gary hart kind of thing is
1:09:51going to happen you don't know when this
1:09:53game is going to completely change and
1:09:54you've got a scanning that in scanning
1:09:56the horizon being ready for any kind of
1:09:58an opportunity
1:09:59do you remember it wasn't that long ago
1:10:01maryland yeah do you remember when Mitt
1:10:04Romney was running for the American
1:10:08presidency Mitt Romney was a republican
1:10:11candidate for the presidency
1:10:14that's right i remember the name in
1:10:16recent recent memory
1:10:17well and feels his people who comprise
1:10:22some of the best-connected political
1:10:24minds in our country
1:10:26believed that he was going to be the
1:10:29victor until uh until after the polls
1:10:35close
1:10:35I think they thought he was gonna walk
1:10:36away with it but you they were gloating
1:10:39about it that is how little anybody
1:10:43knows what is the part of that is ok get
1:10:46ready John you get to be here for the
1:10:48premiere of one of my most despised
1:10:50douche catchphrases cool don't you think
1:10:53that's mostly optics just mostly we need
1:10:57to make it look like that's the case
1:10:59whether we believe it or not
1:11:01no no I i I've seen of a lot of those
1:11:04optics moments as you described
1:11:07I it is a much optics moment is that
1:11:10objects with AK opt IKS I'm not
1:11:14obviously the sea and it's it's another
1:11:16one of those words we could use
1:11:17something that's perfectly fine instead
1:11:18how it looks on the optics yeah optics
1:11:22no I believe honestly that a whole lot
1:11:25of those people of the the lion's share
1:11:27of them really honestly believe that
1:11:31there was no way he could lose a to
1:11:35Barack Obama and that it was in the bag
1:11:40that's why they were so that's why they
1:11:43were so devastated but it was so
1:11:45devastatingly not in the bag like I
1:11:48don't think Dukakis thought that he was
1:11:50going to win a certain point it showed
1:11:54pitch it really did show he really
1:11:56linked to the finish line and I mean
1:11:58imagine losing an election to george
1:12:00herbert walker bush it's like losing an
1:12:03election to and at an animated cardboard
1:12:06halloween skeleton
1:12:101 1020 exposure 1 1020 exposure intent
1:12:18exposure