The Incomparable

189: Using Computers to Impress Girls


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00:00:21   189 april 2014 [TS]

00:00:25   welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:27   podcast I'm your host Jason Snell and [TS]

00:00:29   we're going to talk about a movie a [TS]

00:00:30   classic movie not an old movie we're not [TS]

00:00:33   going to call it old I don't know what [TS]

00:00:35   the cutoff is for old but it precedes [TS]

00:00:37   1980 and this movies from 83 so we're [TS]

00:00:39   not going to call it all but it is a [TS]

00:00:41   movie we we think I believe pickup [TS]

00:00:43   formerly it is John badams 1983 [TS]

00:00:48   techno-thriller Cold War techno-thriller [TS]

00:00:52   shall we say war games and here to join [TS]

00:00:56   in talking about global thermonuclear [TS]

00:00:59   war are my guests David lure hello hello [TS]

00:01:03   good to have you as always [TS]

00:01:05   John Syracuse's also here hi John I [TS]

00:01:08   Jason just want to say that i love the [TS]

00:01:09   eighties yeah they're totally awesome [TS]

00:01:12   that's what I say I great losses here hi [TS]

00:01:15   Craig [TS]

00:01:16   hi Jason good to have you play a game [TS]

00:01:18   how about a nice game of volleyball for [TS]

00:01:24   now one of the options lip the poop out [TS]

00:01:28   of the menu Jason group up be you missed [TS]

00:01:36   it sorry to bed and indian taco is also [TS]

00:01:39   here Heidi greetings professor Snell ok [TS]

00:01:44   little more Dalek that I think you're [TS]

00:01:46   going alright so war games this is a [TS]

00:01:50   movie i have we all I did we all go back [TS]

00:01:54   and watch it again i watched it a couple [TS]

00:01:56   days ago I did yeah alright um was that [TS]

00:02:02   all anybody not watch it recently to the [TS]

00:02:05   check i watched a little bit of it i [TS]

00:02:06   didn't watch the whole theron I I [TS]

00:02:08   haven't seen this movie and so long and [TS]

00:02:11   yet I realized as we were watching it [TS]

00:02:13   that [TS]

00:02:13   that I have it completely memorized so [TS]

00:02:16   obviously I've seen it a dozen times at [TS]

00:02:19   least because i remember details i [TS]

00:02:22   remember long stretches of dialogue [TS]

00:02:24   whole scenes where the dialogue and yet [TS]

00:02:27   it's been probably at least 10 or 15 [TS]

00:02:29   years since I've seen it so it was [TS]

00:02:31   really kind of nice it was a nice to [TS]

00:02:33   come back to a familiar familiar friend [TS]

00:02:36   in this movie [TS]

00:02:37   when did you mean was this a movie that [TS]

00:02:41   that that you all saw it within you know [TS]

00:02:43   when it came out or or soon thereafter [TS]

00:02:46   because I I certainly did I i can't [TS]

00:02:48   remember i think i saw it in a movie [TS]

00:02:49   theater in 82 or 83 83 I remember [TS]

00:02:53   dragging my parents to see it in the [TS]

00:02:55   theater because it was we had just moved [TS]

00:02:59   up to New York and it came out and I [TS]

00:03:02   went that's what i want and they said [TS]

00:03:04   Eric we've ripped you out of your happy [TS]

00:03:06   comfortable Florida life and let's go to [TS]

00:03:08   a movie and ya know I loved it I loved [TS]

00:03:13   it [TS]

00:03:13   although it may I still remember all of [TS]

00:03:17   the technology was not in a very tech [TS]

00:03:19   heavy family so just the the idea of [TS]

00:03:22   modems what is this modem thing you know [TS]

00:03:25   everything in the movie was being a [TS]

00:03:27   total science fiction I I was used to a [TS]

00:03:29   trs-80 that was about it [TS]

00:03:31   I don't remember not having seen this [TS]

00:03:35   movie I was other than those movies that [TS]

00:03:37   I remember the first time I saw it I [TS]

00:03:38   don't remember time before I saw I'll [TS]

00:03:40   just has always been in my life in the [TS]

00:03:42   end of eight days and of my past and [TS]

00:03:45   like like Jason I hadn't seen it in so [TS]

00:03:47   many years just don't know how many [TS]

00:03:49   years maybe it maybe 15 years I but i [TS]

00:03:52   knew i had this movie memorized like [TS]

00:03:53   even not having seen the movie i felt [TS]

00:03:55   like i could recite scenes from it and [TS]

00:03:56   seeing it again yeah i can continue [TS]

00:03:58   except with with some exceptions i think [TS]

00:04:00   we'll get to that was big blank spots [TS]

00:04:01   this movie for me [TS]

00:04:02   yeah Andy I had not seen it in about a [TS]

00:04:06   year and a half two years its it really [TS]

00:04:09   is one of those movies were if I have [TS]

00:04:12   not seen it in a while the next [TS]

00:04:14   opportunity i have where I just that the [TS]

00:04:16   the movie pops into my head or I see it [TS]

00:04:19   like I'm scrolling through netflix is [TS]

00:04:21   recommended movie chances are about [TS]

00:04:23   seven out of ten I'm gonna wind up [TS]

00:04:24   seeing it because it [TS]

00:04:26   I i think i think it's kind of like are [TS]

00:04:28   preferred for not just our generation [TS]

00:04:30   but are sort of social group [TS]

00:04:32   this is like our version of the Graduate [TS]

00:04:34   wear it so that it's so encapsulate us [TS]

00:04:39   that this is us on that screen that is [TS]

00:04:41   just hard to relate to it in the same [TS]

00:04:44   way that like people who are not of that [TS]

00:04:46   generation and we're not doing those [TS]

00:04:48   things at that age can relate to it [TS]

00:04:50   that's how I remember it [TS]

00:04:52   yeah me that the other i'll just say the [TS]

00:04:54   the one thing that absolutely got my [TS]

00:04:58   heart that just absolutely made me think [TS]

00:05:01   this is this is me this is my group is [TS]

00:05:03   when it is when he's trying to he's [TS]

00:05:07   trying to hack into provision and he's [TS]

00:05:09   been up all night if this isn't early [TS]

00:05:12   that you can tell this isn't that he got [TS]

00:05:14   up early to do this it means that it's [TS]

00:05:15   seven in the morning he's been up since [TS]

00:05:17   this since seven the previous morning [TS]

00:05:19   that expression where he's just mashing [TS]

00:05:22   his face with his head with his fingers [TS]

00:05:25   drawing his bottom eyelids down and just [TS]

00:05:27   like looking at the screen and disbelief [TS]

00:05:29   that I can't believe it i'm still going [TS]

00:05:32   to have to go for another two hours to [TS]

00:05:33   try to solve this i have seen that face [TS]

00:05:36   reflected in a green phosphoricum [TS]

00:05:38   10-under night after night after night [TS]

00:05:42   yeah Greg you were going to say you use [TS]

00:05:45   the same same deal [TS]

00:05:46   well yeah i saw in theaters because it [TS]

00:05:48   was the first movie that kind of spoke [TS]

00:05:50   to the subculture i was in you know I [TS]

00:05:52   knew people that had their BMX movies [TS]

00:05:54   and people had their break dancing [TS]

00:05:56   movies and games was a nerd I i will [TS]

00:06:03   just say I i had no BMXers or break [TS]

00:06:06   dancers in my peer group i'll just say [TS]

00:06:07   that no but they were at the same school [TS]

00:06:10   I was a they all beat up on you borrowed [TS]

00:06:13   the affectations of those subcultures [TS]

00:06:15   and I had a 2400 baud modem and a couple [TS]

00:06:21   of phone numbers and I lived online and [TS]

00:06:24   so you know to see somebody who was also [TS]

00:06:26   war dialing and doing something [TS]

00:06:28   interesting with it and who had a [TS]

00:06:29   girlfriend who looks like Elly shady was [TS]

00:06:31   all very very exciting [TS]

00:06:32   yes well especially that one of the more [TS]

00:06:36   unrealistic things the movie anyway [TS]

00:06:38   I think the key to this is the key to [TS]

00:06:39   this movie is for our for our peer group [TS]

00:06:43   is but one for people our age you know [TS]

00:06:45   having grown up in the eighties with [TS]

00:06:47   sort of sort of the the dread of nuclear [TS]

00:06:49   annihilation I think everybody in our [TS]

00:06:51   generation can connect with that but [TS]

00:06:53   then this movie specifically puts people [TS]

00:06:56   like us and the position to accidentally [TS]

00:07:00   destroy the war destroy the world or [TS]

00:07:02   well no 22 sorry but 22 to be the hero [TS]

00:07:05   of the story like we know there's this [TS]

00:07:07   dread you know this existential dread of [TS]

00:07:09   nuclear holocaust right and here's a [TS]

00:07:11   movie where people like us are people [TS]

00:07:13   like what we aspire to be because i [TS]

00:07:15   thought i was i was too young i was i [TS]

00:07:17   was sort of aspiration like I would like [TS]

00:07:18   to be like Matthew Broderick when I grow [TS]

00:07:19   up and do that where the hero we get to [TS]

00:07:23   save the world that almost destroyed [TS]

00:07:24   accidentally to which is fun but then be [TS]

00:07:26   the hero and and save it and so it was [TS]

00:07:29   the one-two punch of you know movies [TS]

00:07:31   that speak to the fierce kids have about [TS]

00:07:33   the world ending and then like the the [TS]

00:07:35   super-rare movie where it's like and [TS]

00:07:37   guess what the Nerds going to save the [TS]

00:07:39   day and you know and also by the way the [TS]

00:07:41   sub-theme of using computers to impress [TS]

00:07:43   girls which yeah it's not actually [TS]

00:07:45   working real life the way it does but [TS]

00:07:47   maybe check out my acoustic couple of [TS]

00:07:49   modem yeah okay so we should i if there [TS]

00:07:54   are no other opening remarks I thought [TS]

00:07:56   we would dive into the movie and just [TS]

00:07:57   kind of move through it sequentially [TS]

00:07:58   does that sound ok with everyone very [TS]

00:08:00   linear very very methodical that's the [TS]

00:08:03   goat goes straight through Falcon space [TS]

00:08:05   i'm sorry i am i am that's exactly right [TS]

00:08:07   but we started one of the nice things [TS]

00:08:09   about this movie is it starts with a [TS]

00:08:11   with a fake out which is hey let's go [TS]

00:08:13   see that movie the computer movie I've [TS]

00:08:15   heard so much about [TS]

00:08:16   and we open on a snowy playing in it and [TS]

00:08:20   you know it's like South Dakota or or [TS]

00:08:22   Montana or somewhere for all we know and [TS]

00:08:24   a car comes through the snow and enters [TS]

00:08:27   a house and then something strange [TS]

00:08:28   happens they look in a mirror and and [TS]

00:08:30   and suddenly we're there [TS]

00:08:32   turns out they're ushered back into a [TS]

00:08:34   secret government installation where [TS]

00:08:37   they are Manning the nuclear missile [TS]

00:08:40   silo and hey it's john spencer ya lil [TS]

00:08:45   McGarry never ages because he looks the [TS]

00:08:47   same agents movies in the West Wing like [TS]

00:08:49   how is that possible even [TS]

00:08:51   Matthew Broderick is starting to look a [TS]

00:08:53   little older it is it's Leo McGarry [TS]

00:08:56   except he's now been demoted and he [TS]

00:08:58   hasn't had been promoted and he works [TS]

00:09:00   for the Air Force I guess firing nuclear [TS]

00:09:03   missiles [TS]

00:09:04   I had no memory of this opening scene [TS]

00:09:05   because when it opened I was afraid that [TS]

00:09:07   i had the wrong movie I might want to [TS]

00:09:08   visit my guess is they get into the [TS]

00:09:10   thing with the keys i remember that [TS]

00:09:12   whole sequence but the very opening [TS]

00:09:13   sequence where it's snowy and trucks i [TS]

00:09:15   guess when I was a kid my brain didn't [TS]

00:09:17   turn on you until they get in there in [TS]

00:09:18   the room with the keys [TS]

00:09:19   yeah but but they go everything so one [TS]

00:09:21   of the notes i wrote down is everything [TS]

00:09:23   I know about nuclear missiles and all [TS]

00:09:25   their protocols and how they work is [TS]

00:09:27   from this movie and a hundred October [TS]

00:09:29   maybe hunt for red october a little bit [TS]

00:09:31   and maybe like crimson tide but really [TS]

00:09:33   it all comes back to there are two guys [TS]

00:09:36   there are two keys and ultimately turn [TS]

00:09:38   your key sir that's it to you [TS]

00:09:41   that's it about dr. Strangelove I want [TS]

00:09:45   to watch that until much later and it [TS]

00:09:46   was influenced entirely by four games it [TS]

00:09:49   was all through the war games [TS]

00:09:50   it's all that john john spencer is down [TS]

00:09:53   there in a hole somewhere with that [TS]

00:09:54   other dude and they're there they're [TS]

00:09:56   going through the codes and they've got [TS]

00:09:58   the little book and every movie I've [TS]

00:10:01   seen since I always think about the look [TS]

00:10:03   at this scene the little plastic snap [TS]

00:10:05   and half things with the paper inside [TS]

00:10:06   them right and hope the whole point of [TS]

00:10:08   this scene is that given every [TS]

00:10:11   indication that they need to fire their [TS]

00:10:13   missile john spencer refuses to fire the [TS]

00:10:16   missile and we discover then we cut to [TS]

00:10:19   the government briefing that Maurice [TS]

00:10:22   Minnifield from northern exposure is [TS]

00:10:26   this is a problem that lots of his guys [TS]

00:10:28   won't fire the nuclear missiles and so [TS]

00:10:30   they just so they decide to replace them [TS]

00:10:32   with computers [TS]

00:10:33   well it was only twenty-two percent or [TS]

00:10:35   something wasn't it and like that they [TS]

00:10:37   click they call that like that the [TS]

00:10:38   percentage of infantry soldiers who [TS]

00:10:40   don't fire at the enemy it's like the [TS]

00:10:42   firing rate or something someone can [TS]

00:10:44   look it up but that that doesn't seem [TS]

00:10:46   like such a bad percentage i think the [TS]

00:10:47   firing rate for its it's a pretty damn [TS]

00:10:49   bad percentage mean who has to be the [TS]

00:10:51   poor guy who has to like explain to the [TS]

00:10:53   guy who had the gun sixer turn your key [TS]

00:10:56   that you just shot and killed Leo [TS]

00:10:58   McGarry been through a test fire [TS]

00:11:00   exercise it wasn't even really war [TS]

00:11:03   well they gave him blanks [TS]

00:11:04   every place the gun is a blanket we [TS]

00:11:06   don't we don't overswing because we see [TS]

00:11:07   him later [TS]

00:11:08   this is a crossover crossover with the [TS]

00:11:10   game saw those blanks [TS]

00:11:12   it's still a hell of a test to you walk [TS]

00:11:14   into work one day and realize you have [TS]

00:11:15   to me i like the planets the job is [TS]

00:11:17   working for the government that's [TS]

00:11:18   exactly what you're gonna get with that [TS]

00:11:20   but that's part of that's part of the [TS]

00:11:21   movie like the reason I was a kid that [TS]

00:11:23   this works so well is you totally [TS]

00:11:25   believe that there were people with this [TS]

00:11:26   job and you understood that this is not [TS]

00:11:28   a fiction that there's that there's [TS]

00:11:29   actual people whose job it is to go in [TS]

00:11:31   there every day and this is this is the [TS]

00:11:32   job this is what they're signed up to do [TS]

00:11:34   and like you buy into the whole thing [TS]

00:11:37   that like well they're supposed to do [TS]

00:11:38   the job but it's a hard job to do and [TS]

00:11:40   how did that you know like in as an [TS]

00:11:42   adult watching this movie and lots of [TS]

00:11:43   things seem very silly but because I was [TS]

00:11:47   the kid in the eighties that saw this [TS]

00:11:49   then like I can still connect back with [TS]

00:11:51   the deadly seriousness of you know of [TS]

00:11:53   these vaguely silly things [TS]

00:11:56   absolutely that's that's another thing [TS]

00:11:58   that I'd wonder if later generations can [TS]

00:12:00   really appreciate that if your kid [TS]

00:12:02   growing up in the eighties every news [TS]

00:12:04   report was high your president is an old [TS]

00:12:07   addled former movie movie actor who [TS]

00:12:10   really wants a nuclear war who has eight [TS]

00:12:12   who has aids were telling them that you [TS]

00:12:14   know what you should not let the [TS]

00:12:15   Russkies get away with anything [TS]

00:12:16   everything with anything because if they [TS]

00:12:18   even if they do fire some missiles we [TS]

00:12:20   have a magical shield in the sky that [TS]

00:12:21   will shoot those missiles down so [TS]

00:12:23   absolutely build more nukes ramp up the [TS]

00:12:26   war there's a probably about as seven [TS]

00:12:29   and eighty chance that if you're a [TS]

00:12:30   teenager you will wind up fighting in [TS]

00:12:32   Afghanistan or something [TS]

00:12:33   it really wasn't it wasn't like the cold [TS]

00:12:35   war the in the sixties but it was still [TS]

00:12:38   a really tense time if you had a this is [TS]

00:12:41   this is why one of the biggest TV shows [TS]

00:12:43   dramas at that time was just an entire [TS]

00:12:46   night of abject depression saying after [TS]

00:12:49   the nuclear war happens which is going [TS]

00:12:51   to happen here is what the what the day [TS]

00:12:53   after that is going to be like for those [TS]

00:12:55   of you who by the way you didn't live [TS]

00:12:56   through it and he's referring to the [TS]

00:12:58   cosby show those sweaters two sweaters [TS]

00:13:02   Jason the sweater and multiple multiple [TS]

00:13:04   pattern in boundary entry vehicles [TS]

00:13:07   yes uh so more but the good news is [TS]

00:13:11   Dabney Coleman tvs to have any Coleman [TS]

00:13:14   has a plan to replace all of the Leo [TS]

00:13:17   mcGarry's of the world who don't want to [TS]

00:13:18   anarchy and annihilate everybody in you [TS]

00:13:21   know hundreds of thousands of people in [TS]

00:13:22   Russia with the whopper which is a very [TS]

00:13:26   silly name for a very powerful [TS]

00:13:28   supercomputer that's going to run [TS]

00:13:31   military service simulations learn all [TS]

00:13:34   of the details and be able to plan based [TS]

00:13:37   on the NORAD war plans fat faster than [TS]

00:13:43   even though the Chiefs of Staff and the [TS]

00:13:45   President and so you just tell the [TS]

00:13:47   whopper what to do and it will fire the [TS]

00:13:49   missiles for you isn't that nice [TS]

00:13:50   computers always do whatever you want [TS]

00:13:53   yeah let's put all the nuclear missiles [TS]

00:13:56   in the computer because computers what [TS]

00:13:57   would that what they're saying here with [TS]

00:13:59   Daddy Coleman is saying here is [TS]

00:14:00   computers are more reliable than people [TS]

00:14:02   and therefore we should take the human [TS]

00:14:04   element out of the equation of course [TS]

00:14:05   there's a lot of things that are [TS]

00:14:07   topsy-turvy in this movie like just you [TS]

00:14:10   know things that are different now [TS]

00:14:11   because we're you know more progressive [TS]

00:14:13   like that the sexism all the stuff that [TS]

00:14:14   we'll talk about in a bit but this was [TS]

00:14:16   the first thing that struck me as being [TS]

00:14:18   a scene that would not exist in the [TS]

00:14:19   current movie because in this scene you [TS]

00:14:21   have the computer guy advocating for the [TS]

00:14:25   sort of more rigid militaristic [TS]

00:14:26   everybody has to follow orders the [TS]

00:14:28   computer can take over fire because we [TS]

00:14:30   know it will fire every single time and [TS]

00:14:31   you had the southern all-american four [TS]

00:14:36   star general in his dress uniform being [TS]

00:14:39   the peacemaker dove saying you know we [TS]

00:14:42   need the people in there we need men [TS]

00:14:43   like in a modern movie the military [TS]

00:14:45   would be all for the killing machine [TS]

00:14:48   thing and the computer guys would be the [TS]

00:14:50   dubs and saying you know oh I don't come [TS]

00:14:53   on comfortable with killing people or [TS]

00:14:54   whatever totally upside down from the [TS]

00:14:57   current view of what the guy with the [TS]

00:14:59   military guy with the computer guy [TS]

00:15:00   responses and that kind of runs [TS]

00:15:02   throughout this movie you everybody in [TS]

00:15:04   their various roles is the opposite of [TS]

00:15:06   what those roles would be today i don't [TS]

00:15:07   know i don't think the military guys so [TS]

00:15:10   much [TS]

00:15:11   the piece nick is he's the old-fashioned [TS]

00:15:14   I believe in the judgment of my men [TS]

00:15:16   well ya thought that what it gets too is [TS]

00:15:18   that light ism Trump's militaristic you [TS]

00:15:21   know zeal like he is more afraid of [TS]

00:15:24   computers then he is like but you know [TS]

00:15:25   he's defending the weak link basically [TS]

00:15:28   the yeah sure the humans don't fire [TS]

00:15:29   twenty-two percent of the time but [TS]

00:15:31   dammit we have to stick with them [TS]

00:15:32   because i don't want those darn [TS]

00:15:33   computers coming in so that that's the [TS]

00:15:35   threat of his place in the movie still [TS]

00:15:37   to be backwards and everything but not [TS]

00:15:38   backwards in the way of like I'm going [TS]

00:15:40   to destroy everybody I'm crazy military [TS]

00:15:41   backwards in the way I fear all [TS]

00:15:43   technology to such a degree that I'm [TS]

00:15:45   willing to stick with the people who are [TS]

00:15:46   less reliable weapon rather than go that [TS]

00:15:48   those scary computers [TS]

00:15:49   well i think a John to jump off of that [TS]

00:15:52   the this movie in some ways even though [TS]

00:15:56   it was only made in 1982 and lots of [TS]

00:15:57   movies were made before that and lots of [TS]

00:15:59   movies have been made after that and yet [TS]

00:16:00   in some ways this movie starts us on a [TS]

00:16:03   path for it predates some clichés and [TS]

00:16:07   it creates some clichés and and so it [TS]

00:16:11   watching it now you're taking a back by [TS]

00:16:13   the fact that some like some movie and [TS]

00:16:16   TV clichés about what the hackers [TS]

00:16:18   always thinking what the military guys [TS]

00:16:20   always think are mixed up a little bit [TS]

00:16:23   and then there's also a bunch of things [TS]

00:16:24   that people do that you're like uh I you [TS]

00:16:26   know that this you know I'm in it said [TS]

00:16:29   many many times in this movie but it's [TS]

00:16:30   like back then it was it was kind of [TS]

00:16:32   okay it's just now it's been overused [TS]

00:16:35   but back then they had to explain what [TS]

00:16:37   was going on in a way that they don't [TS]

00:16:39   right now but but you're right the the [TS]

00:16:41   idea that Maurice Minnifield from [TS]

00:16:43   northern exposure who has who has a name [TS]

00:16:45   but I don't care he's always more [TS]

00:16:47   worries Minnifield behringer is that is [TS]

00:16:51   that no yes general Beringer yes thank [TS]

00:16:54   you [TS]

00:16:54   hehe yeah he doesn't trust the computers [TS]

00:16:58   because they're all daii trust his guys [TS]

00:17:00   the problem is guys are unreliable so [TS]

00:17:02   he's got this difficult decision to make [TS]

00:17:04   where he's got the unreliable men and [TS]

00:17:06   then he's got the computer but it you [TS]

00:17:09   know but it the experts say that it's [TS]

00:17:11   really reliable and when you're facing [TS]

00:17:13   down nuclear annihilation you want to be [TS]

00:17:15   able to fire those missiles [TS]

00:17:17   I think it's more about each each leader [TS]

00:17:20   under wanting to work with the tools [TS]

00:17:23   that understands the best where the [TS]

00:17:25   general understands discipline and [TS]

00:17:27   understands military military chain of [TS]

00:17:30   command and understands people who are [TS]

00:17:32   under his command and so even though [TS]

00:17:34   it's be understands the possibility that [TS]

00:17:36   they're pretty other people are not [TS]

00:17:38   going to follow orders [TS]

00:17:39   that means that you need to increase the [TS]

00:17:41   training you need to change the way that [TS]

00:17:42   these people are are weeded out [TS]

00:17:44   whereas the person who's the engineer [TS]

00:17:46   though there are not there's a nonzero [TS]

00:17:49   percentage of people out there of [TS]

00:17:51   Engineers Arthur who don't really [TS]

00:17:52   understand people as well as they [TS]

00:17:53   understand computers and they have more [TS]

00:17:57   faith in computers than they have in [TS]

00:17:58   people because at least when the [TS]

00:18:00   computer fails to do something properly [TS]

00:18:02   you can trace it to an actual fault as [TS]

00:18:05   opposed to know the computer was just [TS]

00:18:07   being a jerk today so I'd and then and [TS]

00:18:10   not even to get into the idea of each of [TS]

00:18:12   these guys wants to defend their own [TS]

00:18:14   budget you know if you if you have all [TS]

00:18:16   these silos staffed by men that you [TS]

00:18:18   actually need to have staff and training [TS]

00:18:21   facilities and support for them [TS]

00:18:22   he's defending his budget like a good [TS]

00:18:24   bit like a good government employee and [TS]

00:18:27   a good defense contractor as a as the [TS]

00:18:30   computer engineer would do well isn't [TS]

00:18:33   the whole point of the movie to advocate [TS]

00:18:36   for humanism [TS]

00:18:37   I mean even Joshua becomes human [TS]

00:18:39   effectively at the end he developed a [TS]

00:18:42   conscience and learns and that I mean if [TS]

00:18:46   viewed in the light of the eighties when [TS]

00:18:47   everything you know computers were going [TS]

00:18:49   to take over everything but in a bad way [TS]

00:18:51   your job is going to be computerized [TS]

00:18:52   away I I think it speaks to that is that [TS]

00:18:56   the the good guy [TS]

00:18:58   the good authority figure the the one [TS]

00:18:59   that is ultimately right is the one who [TS]

00:19:02   wants to keep men in and the bad guy is [TS]

00:19:06   the one who wants to remove human [TS]

00:19:07   judgment and the Savior is the computer [TS]

00:19:10   program that learns human judgment no I [TS]

00:19:12   don't agree with any of that yet I think [TS]

00:19:16   it's more those are all pieces and in [TS]

00:19:17   the morality play and a basic question [TS]

00:19:19   once you throw like relay I into the mix [TS]

00:19:21   which you know is it's silly and it [TS]

00:19:24   takes it becomes a fantasy movie at that [TS]

00:19:25   point you realize that all these pieces [TS]

00:19:27   on the board are there because there's [TS]

00:19:29   some message that they're trying to get [TS]

00:19:31   out [TS]

00:19:32   I and it involves these players on the [TS]

00:19:34   board but not like because the military [TS]

00:19:37   guy by the end of the movie i'm not i [TS]

00:19:38   don't have a feeling that he was right [TS]

00:19:40   or wrong he was the same as he always [TS]

00:19:41   was he was just kind of along for the [TS]

00:19:43   ride and the same thing with [TS]

00:19:44   what's-his-name McKittrick he he's [TS]

00:19:47   trying to you know do what he does but [TS]

00:19:50   he doesn't seem to grow change much by [TS]

00:19:52   the end of the movie either it's all [TS]

00:19:53   just through this play of the AI [TS]

00:19:55   interacting with this kid interacting [TS]

00:19:56   with that you [TS]

00:19:57   falken does have a bit of an arc finally [TS]

00:19:59   you know restoring faith in humanity but [TS]

00:20:01   we're just supposed to take away the [TS]

00:20:02   lesson that you know the killer was [TS]

00:20:03   stupid all gonna die [TS]

00:20:04   well that here's here's here's the thing [TS]

00:20:06   both definitely will use their the [TS]

00:20:08   actors because we don't remember the [TS]

00:20:10   characters names would Danny colon and [TS]

00:20:12   Barry Corbin they both have the exact [TS]

00:20:14   same goal they both want that if if an [TS]

00:20:17   actual authorized and then second order [TS]

00:20:20   comes from The Oval Office to launch [TS]

00:20:21   nuclear missiles they all want that to [TS]

00:20:23   happen [TS]

00:20:24   yes that's there they simply have a [TS]

00:20:26   difference that once those orders have [TS]

00:20:27   happened [TS]

00:20:28   what's the best way to implement that at [TS]

00:20:30   the end they both having realized that [TS]

00:20:32   having both realized that there are [TS]

00:20:34   false orders in this computer [TS]

00:20:36   neither of them wants the missiles to [TS]

00:20:37   launch and to the other point of Joshua [TS]

00:20:39   requirement conscience no he doesn't all [TS]

00:20:42   he does is he is a computer he's [TS]

00:20:43   programmed to it part of the whopper [TS]

00:20:46   program is to work out once they have a [TS]

00:20:49   goal has been loaded into the computer [TS]

00:20:50   figure out how to achieve that goal he [TS]

00:20:52   never says oh what would be wrong to [TS]

00:20:54   kill so many people under the auspices [TS]

00:20:57   of foreign policy it says no I've tried [TS]

00:20:59   out every single way to launch missiles [TS]

00:21:01   at Russia in such a way that the [TS]

00:21:03   response will not be absolutely [TS]

00:21:04   devastating for the United States i have [TS]

00:21:06   worked them all out [TS]

00:21:07   none of them work the only was correct [TS]

00:21:09   solution to win this game is to not to [TS]

00:21:11   play at all [TS]

00:21:12   that's not a moral decision as far as [TS]

00:21:14   Josh was concerned that simply brute [TS]

00:21:16   force computation on its trying to shake [TS]

00:21:19   the the the military man out of the out [TS]

00:21:22   of the pretending that there is [TS]

00:21:25   something winnable here when in fact [TS]

00:21:27   it's it's not and that even a computer [TS]

00:21:30   even a logical computer can come to that [TS]

00:21:32   conclusion if you just ask it to run the [TS]

00:21:35   numbers which they never did I guess [TS]

00:21:37   before do not take this too far off the [TS]

00:21:39   rails but Andy are you arguing that you [TS]

00:21:41   can't come to a moral decision based off [TS]

00:21:43   rational calculations i'm arguing that [TS]

00:21:45   there's no evidence in this movie that [TS]

00:21:46   Joshua came to a moral decision [TS]

00:21:48   yeah like what my connection to this [TS]

00:21:50   movie as a kid was one part with the [TS]

00:21:52   whole nuclear war thing and how that's a [TS]

00:21:54   bad idea like it definitely took that [TS]

00:21:55   away from the movie right you know so [TS]

00:21:57   that's great but the other one was the [TS]

00:22:00   the real like the real chillin [TS]

00:22:03   connection with this inhuman AI it was [TS]

00:22:06   you know it was kind of how light [TS]

00:22:07   because i don't think i've seen 2001 [TS]

00:22:08   before I saw this [TS]

00:22:10   I like the part where where Matthew [TS]

00:22:12   Broderick being the proxy for me is the [TS]

00:22:14   you know the aspirational nerd of the [TS]

00:22:16   audience is in a terrible situation [TS]

00:22:18   whose girlfriend is ally sheedy yeah [TS]

00:22:20   well yeah it in a terrible situation and [TS]

00:22:22   you know in mckettricks office and and [TS]

00:22:25   he's typing on the terminal to Joshua or [TS]

00:22:27   whatever he says is this real or is this [TS]

00:22:29   a game and and there's a look at the [TS]

00:22:31   good pause and subsequent editing this [TS]

00:22:32   with a little pause and josh says what's [TS]

00:22:34   the difference that is a chilling moment [TS]

00:22:37   with them zooming in on the screen you [TS]

00:22:38   realize i agree with andy the computer [TS]

00:22:40   doesn't know or care it doesn't [TS]

00:22:42   what's the difference in real and you [TS]

00:22:43   know it has no connection to the outside [TS]

00:22:45   world as far as that's concerned it's [TS]

00:22:47   not concerned with any of the things [TS]

00:22:48   that were consorting with so it was it [TS]

00:22:51   was strong AI in terms of like the [TS]

00:22:52   single spirit had a personality and [TS]

00:22:54   thoughts and acts on its own and it is [TS]

00:22:55   totally unfeeling and uncaring in an [TS]

00:22:58   alien sort of way like how and even [TS]

00:23:00   though it's not really the point the [TS]

00:23:01   movie even though i think that's just [TS]

00:23:02   there to move along the morality play [TS]

00:23:04   get the message out of the end [TS]

00:23:05   Joshua is an incredibly chillin and [TS]

00:23:08   creepy character and that's my biggest [TS]

00:23:10   connection to the movies with the [TS]

00:23:11   computer and with like the kid who [TS]

00:23:14   breaks into the computer realize these [TS]

00:23:16   face-to-face with the abyss basically at [TS]

00:23:18   this point [TS]

00:23:18   yeah but that's the early Joshua and [TS]

00:23:20   Joshua comes to a rational morality at [TS]

00:23:23   the end of the movie [TS]

00:23:24   well if you define morality as you work [TS]

00:23:26   the numbers and found I mean it I you [TS]

00:23:28   may be arguing the same point you can't [TS]

00:23:30   you can't win a nuclear war so so we [TS]

00:23:32   need to not do that because yeah so [TS]

00:23:35   let's try different game that you can [TS]

00:23:36   win but he doesn't he doesn't make any [TS]

00:23:37   distinction you you bet you bet you've [TS]

00:23:39   asked me to do you have asked me to [TS]

00:23:41   calculate a solution to the problem how [TS]

00:23:42   do i what how do I win this war against [TS]

00:23:44   the USSR it calculated solution which is [TS]

00:23:47   the only way to win this game is to not [TS]

00:23:48   to play it [TS]

00:23:49   not that there is no more not that [TS]

00:23:50   there's a moral imperative not to take [TS]

00:23:52   human life not that metrolist sure [TS]

00:23:54   discuss the destruction was a bad [TS]

00:23:56   foreign policy to begin with but [TS]

00:23:57   something that you've asked me a [TS]

00:23:58   question the answer is 42 now it's up to [TS]

00:24:01   you to figure out whether the questions [TS]

00:24:02   with words was worth asking the same is [TS]

00:24:05   the same as tactile he comes the same [TS]

00:24:07   conclusion tecnico for it for the same [TS]

00:24:08   reasons it's not because he cares about [TS]

00:24:10   the x and the O's anymore than he cares [TS]

00:24:11   about the people is just there the [TS]

00:24:12   criteria the input is you win if if the [TS]

00:24:15   people in the United States turned dead [TS]

00:24:16   and here and all the numbers in Oregon [TS]

00:24:18   said I think they did it but it's the [TS]

00:24:20   dawning of his awareness he is your [TS]

00:24:22   right is totally cold and calculate [TS]

00:24:23   earlier on and the fact that i'm using a [TS]

00:24:25   male pronoun to describe the computer [TS]

00:24:28   program he does not have a penis i'm [TS]

00:24:30   pretty sure i wanted to draw a parallel [TS]

00:24:33   between Joshua and and falken because in [TS]

00:24:39   in that last summer weight where we're [TS]

00:24:41   going to circle back around to the front [TS]

00:24:43   of the movie but in at last seen at the [TS]

00:24:45   end [TS]

00:24:47   falken is very peculiar if you watch [TS]

00:24:50   that scene because he is sort of smiling [TS]

00:24:53   the whole time like he knows how it's [TS]

00:24:56   going to play out and and and when we [TS]

00:24:58   first see him he's very fatalistic and [TS]

00:25:00   thinks that you know humanity is going [TS]

00:25:02   to be made extinct and I watching at [TS]

00:25:04   this time i read that as falken knows [TS]

00:25:08   how this computer is going to think and [TS]

00:25:09   it's gonna end it is going to do what it [TS]

00:25:11   needs to do and if that means blowing up [TS]

00:25:14   all humanity that's fine so be it he may [TS]

00:25:16   even know that it's inevitable that it's [TS]

00:25:18   going to do it and that he's happy about [TS]

00:25:20   that and then when he smiling he's [TS]

00:25:22   watching Matthew Broderick walk through [TS]

00:25:24   this whole process I think it's I think [TS]

00:25:26   he's going through this same process [TS]

00:25:30   that he knows the computer is going [TS]

00:25:31   through where it's being flipped around [TS]

00:25:34   its orientation is changing into not [TS]

00:25:36   playing the game after all so I i saw a [TS]

00:25:40   little parallel there that Vulcan knows [TS]

00:25:42   what his computer is capable of at the [TS]

00:25:44   beginning when he is convinced that [TS]

00:25:47   humanity is going to destroy itself and [TS]

00:25:49   then he's he knows exactly what is going [TS]

00:25:51   to happen with matthew broderick [TS]

00:25:53   figuring it out at the end because he [TS]

00:25:55   he's not active really at all he's just [TS]

00:25:57   kind of hanging around smiling and [TS]

00:25:59   nodding like you'll figure it out [TS]

00:26:01   he prides him in the right direction and [TS]

00:26:02   also it may hit he does have the [TS]

00:26:04   character he decided he could have just [TS]

00:26:06   gone up to bed after you know again [TS]

00:26:08   getting back to me but he decided [TS]

00:26:09   instead of dialing his helicopter force [TS]

00:26:12   up a change he changes his mind he [TS]

00:26:15   decides to give humanity a chance [TS]

00:26:17   through you know Matthew Broderick which [TS]

00:26:18   is no substitutes what my son would [TS]

00:26:20   might have been if he had grown older [TS]

00:26:22   and it with the correct product and [TS]

00:26:24   instruction he will figure out what is [TS]

00:26:26   the solution that he you know making [TS]

00:26:28   play tic-tac-toe basically and he's the [TS]

00:26:30   guy who managed the easily he's the guy [TS]

00:26:32   who basically gives Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:26:34   characters that the past again ignore [TS]

00:26:36   dad saying yeah you don't don't shoot [TS]

00:26:38   this guy even though you think that he's [TS]

00:26:39   the easy risky spy who actually who set [TS]

00:26:41   this whole thing off [TS]

00:26:42   I'm the guy who invented the system i'm [TS]

00:26:44   telling you you gotta you gotta let him [TS]

00:26:45   in [TS]

00:26:46   yeah so I wanted to show so let's let's [TS]

00:26:49   move let's move back to gallica Matthew [TS]

00:26:53   Broderick is playing galaga in a in a in [TS]

00:26:56   a in a video arcade I had to explain [TS]

00:26:58   that they were backed by that and and [TS]

00:27:02   and the the note i have here is just [TS]

00:27:04   seeing Matthew Broderick from this [TS]

00:27:06   period I can you know connected to [TS]

00:27:09   ferris bueller's day off and I thought [TS]

00:27:11   this is like Ferris Bueller's the day [TS]

00:27:13   the earth stood still [TS]

00:27:14   it's strange combination everybody's [TS]

00:27:17   gonna sneak up behind him while he's [TS]

00:27:18   playing the game [TS]

00:27:19   yeah very strange i felt bad when I saw [TS]

00:27:21   him playing galaga that it didn't look [TS]

00:27:23   old to me everything [TS]

00:27:25   nylon temporary and I said wait a second [TS]

00:27:27   suppose look retro and although like now [TS]

00:27:29   it's just Gallagher what's wrong with [TS]

00:27:30   you [TS]

00:27:30   that's one of the new games but you [TS]

00:27:32   understand look at the graphics it and [TS]

00:27:36   and Ally Sheedy you know there-there's [TS]

00:27:40   ally sheedy we want to talk about Ally [TS]

00:27:42   Sheedy she's I feel so bad about her in [TS]

00:27:45   this movie poor ally sheedy she has to [TS]

00:27:46   be the Manic Pixie dumb girl throughout [TS]

00:27:48   this whole movie [TS]

00:27:50   I feel so like I did not see this the [TS]

00:27:52   first time I saw the movie and like they [TS]

00:27:54   make her they make her manic they make [TS]

00:27:57   her so dumb and her her bromance with [TS]

00:28:00   Matthew broader is not believable in any [TS]

00:28:02   way and he doesn't even seem interested [TS]

00:28:04   in her and truth be told I was not [TS]

00:28:06   interested in her when I first saw this [TS]

00:28:07   movie because I wasn't old enough to be [TS]

00:28:08   interested in her and now that i see her [TS]

00:28:10   my call this part because she's a [TS]

00:28:12   perfectly fine actress we see here in [TS]

00:28:14   things later at you but here she's [TS]

00:28:17   giving nothing to do [TS]

00:28:18   she does not come off well and I felt [TS]

00:28:20   terrible for the whole movie isn't she [TS]

00:28:23   just the audience proxy to explain [TS]

00:28:24   what's happening on the screen [TS]

00:28:26   yeah she fills that role but do you have [TS]

00:28:27   to make her seem so dumb to do I mean [TS]

00:28:29   have you like that the you so seems like [TS]

00:28:30   she's going up the stairs and a dastard [TS]

00:28:32   a definite forward they make your not be [TS]

00:28:34   able to read the word trajectory off the [TS]

00:28:35   screen it's like come on give her a [TS]

00:28:37   break okay that that was that was kind [TS]

00:28:39   of harsh but it's good this in a movie [TS]

00:28:41   like this is good to point out that [TS]

00:28:43   Matthew Broderick's character is not [TS]

00:28:44   socially normal and his interests are [TS]

00:28:46   not normal relative to the other kids [TS]

00:28:48   are in this movie [TS]

00:28:49   and also i will say that though I agree [TS]

00:28:52   with you that that you could have made [TS]

00:28:54   her a little bit stronger and a little [TS]

00:28:55   bit more together Atlantic there you [TS]

00:28:59   could have deleted couples lines that [TS]

00:29:00   made her look kind of ditzy but I would [TS]

00:29:03   much rather see that then see the [TS]

00:29:05   mistake that is not that modern movies [TS]

00:29:07   make in the opposite direction which is [TS]

00:29:09   to say well forecasting that girl team [TS]

00:29:12   that's going to like be with Matthew [TS]

00:29:14   product she has to be every bit as good [TS]

00:29:15   as Matthew broader she has to know as [TS]

00:29:17   much about computers know she will have [TS]

00:29:19   to have been the person who invented the [TS]

00:29:20   computer that Matthew Broderick is using [TS]

00:29:23   like know what if she's just worried [TS]

00:29:25   what if she's strong in her own way she [TS]

00:29:26   doesn't have to be the female version of [TS]

00:29:28   the male lead which i think i think it's [TS]

00:29:30   just a sexist time to take a break and [TS]

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00:31:39   the only thing that saves there is that [TS]

00:31:41   her manic pixie honest it's as if she's [TS]

00:31:43   lifted from a movie with a Manic Pixie [TS]

00:31:45   dream girl made the Manic Pixie dream [TS]

00:31:47   girl and then the rest of the movie [TS]

00:31:48   doesn't care because she doesn't affect [TS]

00:31:51   the other characters in the way that [TS]

00:31:52   she's supposed to she doesn't like they [TS]

00:31:54   don't react to her so she's allowed to [TS]

00:31:56   sort of exists in a more naturalistic [TS]

00:31:57   way as just kind of an excitable teenage [TS]

00:31:59   girl without her mere presence being [TS]

00:32:02   life-changing to the dreary people who [TS]

00:32:03   are you know you don't mean so there's [TS]

00:32:05   there's that really from it and she's [TS]

00:32:07   not the woman who comes off of the worst [TS]

00:32:08   in this movie I think I just that like I [TS]

00:32:11   would have liked her to have had a [TS]

00:32:13   little bit too i think that the things [TS]

00:32:14   that she had to do was focus on f1 was [TS]

00:32:16   late in a later scene she's the one who [TS]

00:32:18   realizes that the bond between a father [TS]

00:32:20   and son is such that the child's name [TS]

00:32:23   might be the password and Matthew [TS]

00:32:24   Broderick is not emotionally equipped to [TS]

00:32:25   make that connection so she does that so [TS]

00:32:28   she has a little bit more emotional [TS]

00:32:28   intelligence that he does and she you [TS]

00:32:31   know moves the plot along an axis [TS]

00:32:33   support for him which is kind of a [TS]

00:32:35   subordinate role but it's it's better [TS]

00:32:37   than just being manic all the time but [TS]

00:32:38   but in general I felt like she was not [TS]

00:32:41   respected as much by the movie as i [TS]

00:32:43   would have liked and I agree with andy [TS]

00:32:44   it would have been worse if she had to [TS]

00:32:46   be the scientist that invented the [TS]

00:32:47   computer because that is totally a [TS]

00:32:48   modern thing she's getting an A in [TS]

00:32:51   English we should I couldn't but she is [TS]

00:32:54   getting an A in English she's not they [TS]

00:32:55   didn't make her bad and everything she's [TS]

00:32:57   getting an A in English you give her [TS]

00:32:58   morals just don't change my grade but [TS]

00:33:00   you can see my next step [TS]

00:33:01   this is what i was going to say is that [TS]

00:33:02   that support that's a point where they [TS]

00:33:03   missed an opportunity because i really [TS]

00:33:05   like that scene where she says no and [TS]

00:33:08   you get the sense like oh well you see [TS]

00:33:09   Matthew Broderick has no morals he if he [TS]

00:33:12   does he's gonna if he can use technology [TS]

00:33:15   to do it [TS]

00:33:16   he will do it and but then they back off [TS]

00:33:19   of it where she comes and she says he [TS]

00:33:20   had changed my grade anyway and I think [TS]

00:33:23   she does that because she's supposed to [TS]

00:33:24   be like oh she likes the boy so she [TS]

00:33:26   feels bad about snubbing him and that's [TS]

00:33:28   another sort of subordinate oh I'm sorry [TS]

00:33:29   that expressing my feelings might have [TS]

00:33:31   been offensive to the mail so i have to [TS]

00:33:32   go back and be submissive and say it's [TS]

00:33:34   okay i didn't like the she changed her [TS]

00:33:36   mind and I didn't I [TS]

00:33:38   I'm trying to figure why they made you [TS]

00:33:39   change your mind and it seemed to me she [TS]

00:33:40   changed it because she wants still [TS]

00:33:42   wanted to have this friendship with or [TS]

00:33:44   whatever with matthew broderick and she [TS]

00:33:46   felt that she might have offended him by [TS]

00:33:47   so strongly voicing their concern that [TS]

00:33:49   the great be changed [TS]

00:33:50   I didn't see that the only reason she's [TS]

00:33:52   there is two to borrow a phrase from [TS]

00:33:55   another much much worse movie about tech [TS]

00:33:58   stuff [TS]

00:33:59   the net i'm working on this Miller when [TS]

00:34:03   when they were doing the press for that [TS]

00:34:05   and dennis miller is like Sandra [TS]

00:34:07   Bullock's friend in the movie and and he [TS]

00:34:09   needed this interview where he explained [TS]

00:34:11   that he was the expositional eunuch and [TS]

00:34:13   i love that phrase and is it [TS]

00:34:15   he's there to explain things or have [TS]

00:34:18   things explained to him because [TS]

00:34:20   otherwise there's no reason for anyone [TS]

00:34:22   to explain these things you know I mean [TS]

00:34:24   the audience needs to know them but [TS]

00:34:26   there's no logical reason so she has to [TS]

00:34:29   be an idiot so that everyone can explain [TS]

00:34:31   well this is a modem and this is how you [TS]

00:34:33   dial to other computers and this is how [TS]

00:34:35   you do this and say you do that and but [TS]

00:34:38   yeah I kind of wish you were not quite [TS]

00:34:41   so does she could be ignorant being [TS]

00:34:43   ignorant is fine right but being a [TS]

00:34:45   seeming to be not like intelligent and [TS]

00:34:48   areas that aren't related to computers [TS]

00:34:50   this like adding insult to injury is not [TS]

00:34:52   necessary though I think they did a good [TS]

00:34:54   job when when there is no sort of [TS]

00:34:56   expositional unit in the room for [TS]

00:34:57   example again when when Matthew [TS]

00:34:59   Broderick's up and and mckettricks [TS]

00:35:01   office hacking away at the terminal [TS]

00:35:03   because I left him alone in room with [TS]

00:35:04   the computer because their dump he reads [TS]

00:35:07   aloud everything that comes on the [TS]

00:35:08   screen probably mostly just to make sure [TS]

00:35:10   that the kids in the audience who can't [TS]

00:35:12   read I can't read that fast following [TS]

00:35:13   along but it also gives him a chance to [TS]

00:35:15   act and it i mean it kind of occurred to [TS]

00:35:17   me this time around but in general I [TS]

00:35:19   still think it sounded kind of [TS]

00:35:20   naturalistic he's reading the words on [TS]

00:35:21   the screen out loud to himself in a way [TS]

00:35:24   that doesn't come off as like oh they're [TS]

00:35:26   just doing that so we in the audience [TS]

00:35:28   like it just seems to flow from me [TS]

00:35:29   music was in the movie a million times [TS]

00:35:31   but it just goes to show if there's no [TS]

00:35:32   one there to 4x additional purposes it's [TS]

00:35:35   fine for the one person in the room to [TS]

00:35:37   just read everything allowed as he reads [TS]

00:35:39   it types it [TS]

00:35:40   well she also she also gives him that [TS]

00:35:42   emotional intelligence which we [TS]

00:35:44   mentioned earlier which i think is true [TS]

00:35:45   and also very importantly she gives him [TS]

00:35:46   a ride later so you know she's like i'll [TS]

00:35:50   pick you up [TS]

00:35:50   I surprise him at the airport don't [TS]

00:35:52   think you know what would you see that [TS]

00:35:54   in a modern movie the male hero riding [TS]

00:35:56   on the back of a moped with a female i [TS]

00:35:57   think that's it that's it that's where [TS]

00:35:59   she jogs to his house as well those two [TS]

00:36:01   scenes I think make her more interesting [TS]

00:36:02   character because I i don't think that [TS]

00:36:05   they would allow the pretty girl love [TS]

00:36:07   interest in a modern movie to be the [TS]

00:36:09   driver of the moped or but isn't doesn't [TS]

00:36:12   that just try and I mean use her to [TS]

00:36:15   reinforce Matthew Broderick's nerdom [TS]

00:36:17   that this is a city should really I [TS]

00:36:20   think she really is playing the role of [TS]

00:36:22   dr. Watson in this where she is that he [TS]

00:36:25   is she she is the person says by Jove's [TS]

00:36:28   how did you determine that and then [TS]

00:36:30   expect then he's also the one who has to [TS]

00:36:32   be the the former military person who [TS]

00:36:34   can ride a moped because you're Sherlock [TS]

00:36:37   Holmes intellectually knows how to know [TS]

00:36:39   how a moped works but doesn't know how [TS]

00:36:40   to operate one I i do see we're coming [TS]

00:36:44   from with this with this line John I [TS]

00:36:46   just I just didn't see it I didn't see [TS]

00:36:49   it at all when I was a kid it just say [TS]

00:36:52   seeing is an adult now so many of the [TS]

00:36:54   things that are sort of retrograde [TS]

00:36:55   socially speaking jump out at you and [TS]

00:36:57   it's a strange mix again with her with [TS]

00:36:59   her doing that like jogging to the house [TS]

00:37:01   is the one that really blew my mind [TS]

00:37:02   because again didn't remember that at [TS]

00:37:03   all like that set it would you have the [TS]

00:37:08   you know the female lead in a movie jog [TS]

00:37:12   to the house of boys should be all [TS]

00:37:13   sweaty when she got there but she [TS]

00:37:14   doesn't care this character doesn't care [TS]

00:37:15   she's also anyone she got this year and [TS]

00:37:17   there because she likes to run because [TS]

00:37:18   running is fun like she's more of a [TS]

00:37:20   tomboy and interesting sort of [TS]

00:37:21   well-rounded character [TS]

00:37:23   whereas if you put you know if it's [TS]

00:37:25   megan fox if he's jogging the house is [TS]

00:37:27   going to be in this cute jogging outfit [TS]

00:37:28   and it's going to be all about like [TS]

00:37:29   we're going out jogging she's not gonna [TS]

00:37:31   that's not going to be the way she [TS]

00:37:32   transports herself to go over the house [TS]

00:37:34   of the boy that she's interested in [TS]

00:37:35   silver linings playbook [TS]

00:37:37   yeah that's better executed happen you [TS]

00:37:39   know then that is definitely not a [TS]

00:37:41   stereotypical [TS]

00:37:42   you know eighties romance type thing I [TS]

00:37:46   think I think it's more like she's the [TS]

00:37:48   opposite of matthew broderick in every [TS]

00:37:49   way and the movie has two is always [TS]

00:37:51   looking for opportunities to show that [TS]

00:37:53   this is something that Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:37:54   either can't do or has no interest in [TS]

00:37:56   doing all the way up to [TS]

00:37:58   okay that's no problem the the time that [TS]

00:38:00   we missed last ferry but it's only about [TS]

00:38:02   a half mile away will just swim it and [TS]

00:38:05   like what kinda like blank is like the [TS]

00:38:08   third finger left doesn't know how to [TS]

00:38:09   swim [TS]

00:38:10   oh okay I thought there'd be time okay [TS]

00:38:13   well I mean that works out it's good [TS]

00:38:16   seeing their yeah like you know that I [TS]

00:38:18   think that works emotionally in terms of [TS]

00:38:19   them realizing they're all gonna die but [TS]

00:38:21   I think she's I think her character is [TS]

00:38:23   all over the place and I think if you [TS]

00:38:25   took out a few of the things that make [TS]

00:38:27   her seemed like i said i we my wife and [TS]

00:38:29   I had this conversation because she's [TS]

00:38:30   gotten a an English and yet they're the [TS]

00:38:33   her interaction about the crossword [TS]

00:38:34   puzzles kind of bizarre like waiting no [TS]

00:38:36   we know she's a good student in I I knew [TS]

00:38:39   lots of people like they were good in [TS]

00:38:40   humanities and couldn't I I friend of [TS]

00:38:43   mine in high school you know I knew her [TS]

00:38:45   only from chemistry and she said all I [TS]

00:38:47   didn't chemistry was taking up oxygen [TS]

00:38:48   that's that's all she did but she was [TS]

00:38:50   she was great English guess this is also [TS]

00:38:54   this is 30 years ago and they didn't [TS]

00:38:55   know how women work then huh [TS]

00:38:58   some of that is true although well Polly [TS]

00:38:59   the Hollywood yeah that's right and she [TS]

00:39:01   is it's hard for me to to objectively [TS]

00:39:04   look at alley shooting this movie too [TS]

00:39:06   because she is constructed to be every [TS]

00:39:08   computer nerd fantasy of this computer [TS]

00:39:10   is really cool girl and she's gonna be [TS]

00:39:11   interested in learning about the stuff i [TS]

00:39:13   like she could jog over the house we're [TS]

00:39:16   gonna have a conversation is consistent [TS]

00:39:17   things about feelings that whatever [TS]

00:39:19   she's going to open the door and I'm [TS]

00:39:21   going to not have my shirt on for no [TS]

00:39:23   reason you have to have been looking at [TS]

00:39:26   your browser beefcake and there's like [TS]

00:39:27   who is that for example I mean maybe he [TS]

00:39:29   was a sex symbol but it's not like he's [TS]

00:39:31   like cut like Matthew McConaughey or [TS]

00:39:33   something it's just kind of like he's a [TS]

00:39:35   computer nerd with his shirt off [TS]

00:39:37   well you know the getting into the whole [TS]

00:39:39   body dysmorphia issues that the Nerds [TS]

00:39:41   later in the movie bring about he was [TS]

00:39:44   idealized in every way even as a nerd [TS]

00:39:47   yeah I suppose that's true although like [TS]

00:39:50   I find that the lack of sexual tension [TS]

00:39:52   like the lack of over like oh you see [TS]

00:39:55   like this [TS]

00:39:55   the whole there's no plot line for [TS]

00:39:56   Matthew Broderick is obsessed with ally [TS]

00:39:58   sheedy and like has a crush on her [TS]

00:40:00   there's no red like when she comes in he [TS]

00:40:01   doesn't quickly hide himself like he's [TS]

00:40:03   embarrassed by his dirty underwear but [TS]

00:40:05   like it's so beautifully sweet and naive [TS]

00:40:07   in terms of like everything is so sexed [TS]

00:40:10   up now that these two would have to just [TS]

00:40:12   have this constant hot sexual attraction [TS]

00:40:14   and like the big moments believes they [TS]

00:40:16   kiss barely on the cheek a kiss on the [TS]

00:40:19   cheek a bunch right you get it [TS]

00:40:21   well they kiss on the lips that kiss on [TS]

00:40:23   the lips later but but she comes in the [TS]

00:40:25   room and he doesn't go oh I can't have [TS]

00:40:27   my shirt on he's not like a baby look at [TS]

00:40:28   me and she's not leaving that no one is [TS]

00:40:30   leaving at anyone know it which is [TS]

00:40:31   probably idealized you know because [TS]

00:40:33   realistically speaking teenage boys are [TS]

00:40:35   just you know balls of hormones but it's [TS]

00:40:37   it's just so nice to see a movie where [TS]

00:40:39   that that's not even like a subplot like [TS]

00:40:42   it doesn't get in the way of the rest of [TS]

00:40:43   the movie we don't care for two of them [TS]

00:40:44   get together that's not what this movie [TS]

00:40:47   is about [TS]

00:40:48   yeah I give if this were made today [TS]

00:40:49   maybe the sexual tension she'd be his [TS]

00:40:53   equal and everything and he would [TS]

00:40:55   probably turn out to be dr. Falcons real [TS]

00:40:58   son and she would look a lot differently [TS]

00:41:02   though [TS]

00:41:03   Joshua would have a robot body yes of [TS]

00:41:06   course it would shift will be Megan Fox [TS]

00:41:08   basically so so um take it so i want to [TS]

00:41:12   mention a couple things about about the [TS]

00:41:13   mark matthew broderick in his house the [TS]

00:41:16   take out the garbage you need to take [TS]

00:41:17   out the garbage seen struck me because I [TS]

00:41:20   realized that the entire Justin Long [TS]

00:41:22   character in galaxy quest is just mad [TS]

00:41:25   that Roderick for more games including [TS]

00:41:28   they play like all the same scenes it's [TS]

00:41:30   he literally is going to take out the [TS]

00:41:32   garbage at an important point in the [TS]

00:41:34   plot of galaxy quest so I hadn't really [TS]

00:41:36   thought about that but that is [TS]

00:41:37   completely just a wargames reference if [TS]

00:41:39   you watch galaxy quest and both the dog [TS]

00:41:41   saves the world by the way by knocking [TS]

00:41:44   over the garbage can both the dog saved [TS]

00:41:45   the entire world that's what I realized [TS]

00:41:48   this thing because it during that during [TS]

00:41:49   that simulation was running no one was [TS]

00:41:50   there to tell them it's a simulation [TS]

00:41:51   almost there anything like that he [TS]

00:41:54   interrupt because the dog knocked it [TS]

00:41:55   over because his parents were stirring [TS]

00:41:56   and made him get off the computer right [TS]

00:41:57   now and fix the garbage he quit the [TS]

00:42:00   program by turning off the computer and [TS]

00:42:01   dropping the carrier and automatically [TS]

00:42:03   cease the simulation so it was a [TS]

00:42:05   simulation was still going but it didn't [TS]

00:42:06   continue along with the pace of business [TS]

00:42:08   that [TS]

00:42:08   out if it had proceeded apace with him [TS]

00:42:10   at the computer and had not gone down [TS]

00:42:12   there that would be it came over so get [TS]

00:42:13   the dog [TS]

00:42:14   thank you I'm overworld over i wanted to [TS]

00:42:17   mention the his parents eating raw corn [TS]

00:42:21   it's just one of the most bizarre what [TS]

00:42:25   was with the bread with the butter i [TS]

00:42:26   asked my wife is consistent with you [TS]

00:42:28   know what does that something that [TS]

00:42:30   anyone in this podcast does when you put [TS]

00:42:31   butter on the bread and then you roll [TS]

00:42:33   the corn and know that more in order nor [TS]

00:42:36   did I remember that that was bizarre and [TS]

00:42:38   then the corn is raw and it's just like [TS]

00:42:40   a wacky let's do i do joke at the matter [TS]

00:42:42   is that I remember because my mom was [TS]

00:42:44   gonna like that mateys [TS]

00:42:45   that was really weird and then in a [TS]

00:42:47   moment when the when he sets up the [TS]

00:42:49   dialing and he's explaining that he's [TS]

00:42:50   dialing all the numbers and I thought [TS]

00:42:52   you had a war dialer oh right from what [TS]

00:42:55   games did all the old-timers used to [TS]

00:42:58   call that a demon dieter program but now [TS]

00:43:01   it's just were dialing because because [TS]

00:43:03   of war games [TS]

00:43:04   I had a I had a 300 baud modem at this [TS]

00:43:07   at this period and I did do some more [TS]

00:43:08   dialing and the best I ever came up with [TS]

00:43:11   I didn't get to the secret government [TS]

00:43:13   research station or did nor did I able [TS]

00:43:16   was able to proclaim provision [TS]

00:43:18   I have you now instead I found like the [TS]

00:43:21   local hospitals billing system free [TS]

00:43:25   health care for everybody that was a fun [TS]

00:43:28   time when every computer assume that oh [TS]

00:43:30   well if you have this number and you [TS]

00:43:32   know and we have a piece of equipment [TS]

00:43:33   connect I just assume that you've got [TS]

00:43:35   authorization to be here so so many of [TS]

00:43:38   these things didn't even ask for a [TS]

00:43:39   password its just oh here's a menu of [TS]

00:43:41   everything I know how to do [TS]

00:43:43   thank you that time is not that long ago [TS]

00:43:44   because i was in college in the nineties [TS]

00:43:47   and our College in the nineties at the [TS]

00:43:49   dawning of the internet had to write [TS]

00:43:50   permissions on for everyone's TTYL and [TS]

00:43:52   the entire university which you know [TS]

00:43:55   which meant you could send messages to [TS]

00:43:56   anyone screen anywhere you like the the [TS]

00:43:59   the age of free love on the internet [TS]

00:44:01   that's a long time so yeah you dolled up [TS]

00:44:04   in a motor it would answer and show you [TS]

00:44:05   the menu and right up into the nineties [TS]

00:44:07   if you're online with the school of [TS]

00:44:09   30,000 people you can write a ski snails [TS]

00:44:11   their screen to your heart's content [TS]

00:44:12   that change like a year and a half and [TS]

00:44:15   why because some kids had a ruin it for [TS]

00:44:18   everybody [TS]

00:44:21   guilty as charged I i had a friend who [TS]

00:44:23   used to be like work for MIT of the MIT [TS]

00:44:26   police as they're like tech security guy [TS]

00:44:29   and he used to love the first like month [TS]

00:44:33   of a brand new semester we went all of [TS]

00:44:36   these kids who are like King Kong of [TS]

00:44:38   their scope of their school in terms of [TS]

00:44:40   work and I've i can break into the spell [TS]

00:44:43   checker of my about my teachers of my [TS]

00:44:45   teachers laptop underwear that yeah [TS]

00:44:48   guess what I've seen every trick you've [TS]

00:44:50   ever done because most of them were [TS]

00:44:51   invented here and I invented some of [TS]

00:44:53   them hope you hope you enjoyed your four [TS]

00:44:56   days at MIT before we booted you out for [TS]

00:44:58   for violation of the agreement that you [TS]

00:45:00   signed a nice story for mom so some some [TS]

00:45:05   technology notes here I he's dialing [TS]

00:45:08   from Seattle to the bay area and she [TS]

00:45:11   asks is not expensive and he says there [TS]

00:45:13   are ways around that so there's your [TS]

00:45:15   phone phreaking reference if you go to [TS]

00:45:17   jail for that she says I remember that [TS]

00:45:18   entire entire conversation verbatim i [TS]

00:45:22   was able to quote that only carry out [TS]

00:45:25   only you only if you're 18 connection [TS]

00:45:27   terminated [TS]

00:45:27   how rude is another thing i wrote down [TS]

00:45:30   because I thought that was pretty funny [TS]

00:45:31   and then i wrote down here and I John [TS]

00:45:33   how rude and and i wrote this down for [TS]

00:45:35   Jon he's got one of those monitors that [TS]

00:45:38   make a beep sound every time it prints a [TS]

00:45:39   letter on the screen I i have that [TS]

00:45:41   rundown and what I wanted what my [TS]

00:45:43   question my notes is is this for that [TS]

00:45:45   started because it is perfectly monitors [TS]

00:45:48   makes it like it is done every every [TS]

00:45:50   time a word come to screen BB BB i love [TS]

00:45:54   that ever since then I want and I want [TS]

00:45:57   every computer I own to do that to make [TS]

00:46:00   some sort of noise to indicate that it's [TS]

00:46:02   actually working on some know it to [TS]

00:46:06   indicate that visual and text appearing [TS]

00:46:08   on the screen because you get you can [TS]

00:46:10   see with your eyes but what if you did [TS]

00:46:11   if it didn't make a noise really be on [TS]

00:46:13   the screen really but this you know this [TS]

00:46:16   this this it's that's that's an [TS]

00:46:18   interesting thing to point out because [TS]

00:46:19   historically like the the three minute [TS]

00:46:23   mile of moviemaking has been how do you [TS]

00:46:26   make text appearing on the screen and or [TS]

00:46:28   people typing into and anyway an [TS]

00:46:31   interesting scene in a movie [TS]

00:46:33   it practically can't be [TS]

00:46:34   that I think this might be the only [TS]

00:46:36   movie that ever really pulled it off [TS]

00:46:37   maybe maybe that and desk set but that [TS]

00:46:40   was like when teletypes in the nineteen [TS]

00:46:41   fifties anyway the Sprint racing [TS]

00:46:43   katharine hepburn so automatically if [TS]

00:46:45   there are running a computer that they [TS]

00:46:47   could be operating a CPM machine and [TS]

00:46:49   that would still be interesting but it's [TS]

00:46:52   proof and i have to say like if there's [TS]

00:46:55   an older movie than this that does the [TS]

00:46:57   BB text on screen because it I in the [TS]

00:46:59   chat room i mentioned alien does this at [TS]

00:47:01   the beginning it's got the same readout [TS]

00:47:03   then every day I so i assume did [TS]

00:47:05   predated but like it is it saturates [TS]

00:47:07   this movie and and I and it's ok but [TS]

00:47:10   like the way they make that the computer [TS]

00:47:12   interesting is movie I don't think it's [TS]

00:47:13   the beeping it's the pacing is the [TS]

00:47:14   pacing of the interaction the fact that [TS]

00:47:16   there's an AI on the other side of the [TS]

00:47:17   thing makes it interesting it's like [TS]

00:47:18   interacting with how and they have these [TS]

00:47:19   pregnant pauses before you know [TS]

00:47:21   variable-length pregnant pauses for [TS]

00:47:23   maximum dramatic effect you know when [TS]

00:47:25   things come back we're up to the we have [TS]

00:47:27   the the we have the fat engineer and the [TS]

00:47:30   Urkel engineer you might want to look [TS]

00:47:35   for a back door was this before or after [TS]

00:47:39   revenge of the nerds before prototypical [TS]

00:47:41   nerds [TS]

00:47:42   yeah I the the part that stood out to me [TS]

00:47:44   in that scene is the terrible terrible [TS]

00:47:46   program he says whenever I designed a [TS]

00:47:47   system i always put in a simple password [TS]

00:47:49   you're a terrible print like do not let [TS]

00:47:51   this person right any security-related [TS]

00:47:53   code like this but I mean it's funny [TS]

00:47:56   because a lot of these security problems [TS]

00:47:57   are still problems right there are still [TS]

00:47:59   back bad back doors there are still [TS]

00:48:02   passwords written down on pieces of [TS]

00:48:04   paper that people can go see ya at the [TS]

00:48:06   things written down on a piece of paper [TS]

00:48:07   like this was the age before good [TS]

00:48:08   passwords but so that's why it's pencil [TS]

00:48:10   and Joshua over at least Joshua was [TS]

00:48:11   mixed case right but they the culture [TS]

00:48:14   now surrounding if you are a computer [TS]

00:48:16   nerd no self-respecting computer would [TS]

00:48:18   ever say i right [TS]

00:48:19   you know every program that i write [TS]

00:48:21   personally I put in a back door because [TS]

00:48:22   that's like the worst thing you could [TS]

00:48:24   possibly do and when we find out this [TS]

00:48:25   like back doors on these routers or [TS]

00:48:27   printers and other things we think the [TS]

00:48:29   people who who wrote the code for them [TS]

00:48:30   are terrible and the worst programmers [TS]

00:48:32   ever but here i think if I think they're [TS]

00:48:34   that this guy i think this guy [TS]

00:48:36   yeah it was like a badge of honor now to [TS]

00:48:38   even know what the back door is don't [TS]

00:48:39   tell him about backdoors like it was [TS]

00:48:41   again it wasn't naive error where before [TS]

00:48:43   there was but in the modern era he comes [TS]

00:48:46   off as a doof [TS]

00:48:47   but but it happens I mean I reserve I [TS]

00:48:50   don't write don't remember specifics or [TS]

00:48:52   the last time I heard about this but you [TS]

00:48:53   want you sometimes do here about an [TS]

00:48:55   admin who decided to leave in an [TS]

00:48:58   insurance policy just in case it doesn't [TS]

00:49:00   it doesn't gets fired and he does not [TS]

00:49:01   like the conditions under which he was [TS]

00:49:03   fired [TS]

00:49:04   oh yeah yeah but we condemn those people [TS]

00:49:06   now though I'm just like exactly know [TS]

00:49:08   that this work we would we be condemning [TS]

00:49:10   those people too but these are these are [TS]

00:49:12   people who are like Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:49:13   technically should not have been trying [TS]

00:49:15   to get into that games company even if [TS]

00:49:17   even if it weren't actually the the [TS]

00:49:19   secret nuclear missile firing computer [TS]

00:49:23   he's just he's doing things because he [TS]

00:49:24   feels as though because he has because [TS]

00:49:26   this computer is a world in which he can [TS]

00:49:28   have godlike powers of creation that [TS]

00:49:31   means that all morality inside this [TS]

00:49:34   world he has created his career is all [TS]

00:49:37   sank to all Sanctus all sanctimonious in [TS]

00:49:39   the eyes of the Lord because he is the [TS]

00:49:40   Lord so that's that's something he [TS]

00:49:42   concerned that something that I i [TS]

00:49:44   imagine that person actually thinking up [TS]

00:49:46   it's okay for me to put it back door and [TS]

00:49:47   because the the f after this contract is [TS]

00:49:50   finished they're gonna screw something [TS]

00:49:51   up they're gonna come back to me and i [TS]

00:49:52   can either spend four weeks trying to [TS]

00:49:54   figure out what they did or i can simply [TS]

00:49:56   walk right into the the kitty door in [TS]

00:49:58   the back and actually fixed form [TS]

00:50:00   yeah it's just funny because he was [TS]

00:50:02   supposed to be like the mature competent [TS]

00:50:03   one playing off of the screechie [TS]

00:50:05   obnoxious overexcited one and the mature [TS]

00:50:08   confident ones calm down little kid and [TS]

00:50:10   let me tell you everything I write a [TS]

00:50:11   program i do it terribly but the heat [TS]

00:50:13   yes miss Potato Head this potato head [TS]

00:50:18   and then another scene that I can speak [TS]

00:50:21   for Batum this scene i think it can can [TS]

00:50:23   we take a moment to praise the skills of [TS]

00:50:25   mr. Eddie deezen he he is one of those [TS]

00:50:28   character ask actors who had that that [TS]

00:50:30   those five magical years where the Eddie [TS]

00:50:33   deezen perfume was just in the air and [TS]

00:50:35   every casting office and get in three [TS]

00:50:38   times a day or three times a week so i [TS]

00:50:40   would say get me and Eddie deezen type [TS]

00:50:41   and but first check to see if Eddie [TS]

00:50:44   deezen is available he was in 1941 he [TS]

00:50:47   was an ivan reitman is first movie I [TS]

00:50:49   want to help hold your hand every time [TS]

00:50:51   playing and Eddie deezen character but [TS]

00:50:53   if you're in if you're an eighties [TS]

00:50:55   filmmaker that's everything you wanted [TS]

00:50:57   and all the marin by everybody [TS]

00:50:59   yeah he is [TS]

00:51:01   he is of a kind right he he is he is [TS]

00:51:05   what he is [TS]

00:51:06   you get is the kind is the prototype is [TS]

00:51:09   the one they made a mold from and as [TS]

00:51:12   well as much as we don't like these ugly [TS]

00:51:13   stereotypes about like nerds about our [TS]

00:51:15   types of people unfortunately i would we [TS]

00:51:18   all know Eddie deezen types we all know [TS]

00:51:20   the the slovenly unshaven I always leave [TS]

00:51:24   in the back door types [TS]

00:51:25   hey I'm not talking about me and I [TS]

00:51:28   didn't say the names [TS]

00:51:30   exactly Greg and by the way back door [TS]

00:51:32   tech mean something different now does [TS]

00:51:34   you know that's the first the fourth [TS]

00:51:36   really good show title we've had so far [TS]

00:51:37   i'm glad that I'm glad the furthest [TS]

00:51:39   first one that was not investment by [TS]

00:51:41   John siracusa speaking of speaking of [TS]

00:51:45   boring there's a lot of good library for [TS]

00:51:46   people to see like the shots of the card [TS]

00:51:49   catalog and microfilm ok so i was gonna [TS]

00:51:52   say it [TS]

00:51:52   this would not be an eighties movie [TS]

00:51:54   where they're not a montage and in this [TS]

00:51:55   case it is a montage of research with [TS]

00:51:58   card catalogs and microfilm like in a [TS]

00:52:02   movie about tech you're like oh yeah [TS]

00:52:04   that tech wasn't really in the libraries [TS]

00:52:06   that much he's in the card catalogs man [TS]

00:52:08   and it's you know and he's looking [TS]

00:52:09   things up and in the newspapers and [TS]

00:52:11   there is zooming in on things that are [TS]

00:52:13   clearly typewritten onto index cards [TS]

00:52:15   like that's how he finds the information [TS]

00:52:17   no it was said that you know it as the [TS]

00:52:20   the children of a librarian we had to [TS]

00:52:23   explain to our children what these [TS]

00:52:25   things were like what it what are they [TS]

00:52:27   doing right there in the computer well [TS]

00:52:29   they had this drawer with cards is that [TS]

00:52:34   yeah it was there was some there was [TS]

00:52:36   some excitement to the card catalog is [TS]

00:52:38   as a kid who experienced it like it some [TS]

00:52:40   both something kind of like sacred [TS]

00:52:42   likelike church where because even when [TS]

00:52:44   computers were available this was [TS]

00:52:45   different and everything was quiet and [TS]

00:52:47   the library would teach you how to use [TS]

00:52:48   the card catalog and all that is lost on [TS]

00:52:50   anybody watching this movie in the [TS]

00:52:52   modern era but who never did this [TS]

00:52:53   because it just seems like some kind of [TS]

00:52:55   anachronistic montage fill the things I [TS]

00:52:57   don't understand [TS]

00:52:58   remember the first time that you [TS]

00:52:59   discover the reader's guide to [TS]

00:53:00   periodical alleged literature [TS]

00:53:02   oh yeah and your relative way but there [TS]

00:53:04   is this there is this regular monthly [TS]

00:53:06   series of hard bound books that will [TS]

00:53:08   tell you to find every piece of timely [TS]

00:53:11   information ever made and if i simply [TS]

00:53:13   write this down on the [TS]

00:53:14   piece of paper a librarian will give me [TS]

00:53:16   this little magazine or this trade [TS]

00:53:18   journal that is Magic that that was [TS]

00:53:20   another one of those points of [TS]

00:53:22   intersection with real life that I [TS]

00:53:23   absolutely loved about this movie about [TS]

00:53:26   how sometimes to solve a problem you [TS]

00:53:29   can't do it in a linear straightforward [TS]

00:53:30   fashion you really do have to say I'm [TS]

00:53:32   gonna have to learn everything I [TS]

00:53:34   possibly can about this subject and i [TS]

00:53:36   will only be able to see the answer once [TS]

00:53:38   i see the entire world of information [TS]

00:53:40   around this answer and yeah I was one of [TS]

00:53:43   those kids who knew the new but the high [TS]

00:53:45   school library the the public library [TS]

00:53:48   and even the city library very very well [TS]

00:53:50   because the first time that you realize [TS]

00:53:53   that I need this piece of really [TS]

00:53:54   technical information that I have no [TS]

00:53:56   idea where to go for and then four weeks [TS]

00:53:59   later you're actually your open envelope [TS]

00:54:01   and here is an actual set of data plans [TS]

00:54:04   from the patent filing for this thing [TS]

00:54:06   you want to learn about or here is a [TS]

00:54:08   technical paper written by the person [TS]

00:54:10   who invented this because you decided [TS]

00:54:12   you went to the good research library at [TS]

00:54:14   bu and they found that they found this [TS]

00:54:16   person's PhD dissertation which he [TS]

00:54:17   explained everything there was to know [TS]

00:54:19   about this video system like oh this is [TS]

00:54:22   really this is real power [TS]

00:54:24   I'm 14 years old and I stride this land [TS]

00:54:27   like a colossus so Matthew Broderick [TS]

00:54:31   becomes an expert on professor Falken [TS]

00:54:35   and discovers that he's dead he died he [TS]

00:54:38   was pretty old is 4141 screw you method [TS]

00:54:42   rhetoric that doesn't that's another [TS]

00:54:45   joke that i did not get first time I saw [TS]

00:54:47   this movie in fact that supposed to be a [TS]

00:54:49   joke because when I was a kid I I think [TS]

00:54:50   I thought that was a hold when we saw it [TS]

00:54:53   that's how old my parents were so they [TS]

00:54:54   didn't laugh uh uh oh it's funny it's [TS]

00:54:59   very funny and they figure out that his [TS]

00:55:01   his son his son who died this Joshua and [TS]

00:55:05   wherein shall we play a game the voice [TS]

00:55:13   synthesis that he turns on so that we [TS]

00:55:16   have some drama [TS]

00:55:17   other than the boot of the of the text [TS]

00:55:20   and I believe that's the actor who plays [TS]

00:55:23   falken going through like a voc order or [TS]

00:55:25   something I think that's a I think [TS]

00:55:27   that's because it's [TS]

00:55:28   in English accent and it's basically his [TS]

00:55:31   accent so i think it actually is the [TS]

00:55:32   same guy i don't know that for sure [TS]

00:55:33   sounds like him that there's a lot of [TS]

00:55:36   affectation to the voices because it's [TS]

00:55:38   not it's not like Fred where it's like a [TS]

00:55:39   you know take that little english sounds [TS]

00:55:41   and build the words out of them with a [TS]

00:55:43   couple special cases so i believe that [TS]

00:55:45   it is an accurate but it's but it's [TS]

00:55:46   affected in a way that it sounds like it [TS]

00:55:49   doesn't it makes mistakes it says things [TS]

00:55:51   in strange ways it works for dramatic [TS]

00:55:54   effect but it's not dramatic in the way [TS]

00:55:55   that human would read its dramatic in an [TS]

00:55:58   alien kind of way like sort of halting [TS]

00:56:01   strangely paste things running together [TS]

00:56:04   with weird pauses where they shouldn't [TS]

00:56:06   be I mean it's probably it's probably [TS]

00:56:08   just because i saw when i was younger [TS]

00:56:09   whatever but the voice still works for [TS]

00:56:11   me it doesn't sound didn't sound dated [TS]

00:56:12   sounds ominous interesting an alien [TS]

00:56:14   people probably would have been familiar [TS]

00:56:16   with the current Kurzweil had a really [TS]

00:56:18   good voice of that text voice system [TS]

00:56:21   that was used for that was mostly used [TS]

00:56:26   for people who couldn't speak properly [TS]

00:56:28   and so but had that it would say was it [TS]

00:56:30   was unique enough that there was [TS]

00:56:32   actually a radio station the locally [TS]

00:56:35   that had access to that text access to [TS]

00:56:36   that box and was using it for like [TS]

00:56:38   character voices and so yeah it's I i [TS]

00:56:42   would be I'd be shocked if it weren't if [TS]

00:56:43   you weren't a real actor but no I think [TS]

00:56:45   it's john would I think it's a great [TS]

00:56:46   place dr. Falconer because it's even got [TS]

00:56:48   his English accent it's a strange it's [TS]

00:56:50   like all the voices because Stephen [TS]

00:56:52   Hawking is famous for having an American [TS]

00:56:54   accent for his computer voice because [TS]

00:56:56   even though he's English his computer [TS]

00:56:58   voice has an American accent this is the [TS]

00:56:59   reverse where he flips on the [TS]

00:57:01   text-to-speech and what we get is an [TS]

00:57:03   English accent that sounds strangely [TS]

00:57:04   like dr. Falcon and I never really [TS]

00:57:07   noticed that before but this time it's [TS]

00:57:08   it's totally him that's that and so it's [TS]

00:57:11   it's processed and he's speaking in that [TS]

00:57:13   stilted affected it's a computer voice [TS]

00:57:15   kind of thing but it's meant to have us [TS]

00:57:17   feel like this is his you know in the [TS]

00:57:20   end since we know that this is his [TS]

00:57:21   creation [TS]

00:57:22   it's meant to sort of reflect him a [TS]

00:57:25   little bit and this is where we get all [TS]

00:57:26   the famous things that everybody [TS]

00:57:27   remembers shall we play a game and and [TS]

00:57:31   and we can we keep talking and there's [TS]

00:57:34   tab there's some tabs are drinking some [TS]

00:57:36   tab assignment it's a past see that [TS]

00:57:39   that's that's how we know that they they [TS]

00:57:41   feel there is [TS]

00:57:42   no future there they will drink soda [TS]

00:57:43   with Sakura in it will create tab i was [TS]

00:57:46   gonna say we don't really notice the [TS]

00:57:47   voice because we meet Joshua first right [TS]

00:57:51   so it doesn't seem odd that they sound [TS]

00:57:54   similar we get a wii any fan of the [TS]

00:57:58   events will know that multiple what is [TS]

00:58:01   it [TS]

00:58:01   multiple inbound re-entry vehicles is [TS]

00:58:05   Merv's Merv's here is merv from from the [TS]

00:58:09   abyss but here that matter brother [TS]

00:58:11   doesn't know what they are i don't know [TS]

00:58:12   but it's great right whatever I learned [TS]

00:58:15   from a video game uh verbs i learned [TS]

00:58:17   from the abyss [TS]

00:58:18   I didn't have noticed how much ascii art [TS]

00:58:20   there was this movie like a lot of the [TS]

00:58:21   graphics that appear on the screen for [TS]

00:58:23   that US map like it has like upside-down [TS]

00:58:24   fees for the you know for the warheads [TS]

00:58:26   splitting but it's all on character [TS]

00:58:28   boundaries you know i guess i guess that [TS]

00:58:30   some of these raster graphics I think [TS]

00:58:31   there's a lot of ascii art mix them well [TS]

00:58:33   and his computer is ask your I think the [TS]

00:58:35   idea there was that how would how would [TS]

00:58:37   they get graphics across this little [TS]

00:58:39   modem right so it's the text art and [TS]

00:58:42   then they go to the actual at NORAD it's [TS]

00:58:46   got its got you know the the vector [TS]

00:58:49   based there you know stuff that they've [TS]

00:58:51   got on the screen [TS]

00:58:53   yeah and i think this the joshua seen I [TS]

00:58:55   think it's the same when Joshua first [TS]

00:58:56   calls him back and that i believe is the [TS]

00:58:58   first instance of what i would consider [TS]

00:59:00   it to be like the the theme music for [TS]

00:59:02   war games when Joshua calls about that I [TS]

00:59:04   start playing that creepy war games [TS]

00:59:06   music which I can't [TS]

00:59:07   and now that I think of it I can't like [TS]

00:59:08   playback in my head but as soon as I [TS]

00:59:10   hear like oh that's the war games music [TS]

00:59:11   that's the dramatic more games music and [TS]

00:59:13   it runs throughout the rest of the film [TS]

00:59:14   or less is kind of a theme but it's [TS]

00:59:16   going to take that long in the movie for [TS]

00:59:18   that music to come in we get take us to [TS]

00:59:21   DEFCON 3 so def con i think is not [TS]

00:59:23   something anybody knew of before this [TS]

00:59:25   this is where it comes from and of [TS]

00:59:27   course any any true wargames nerd will [TS]

00:59:29   know that def con five is the best kind [TS]

00:59:33   of Def Con and def con one is world war [TS]

00:59:36   three and people get that wrong all the [TS]

00:59:38   time but if you see more games you know [TS]

00:59:39   but anyway they take us to DEFCON 3 [TS]

00:59:41   because they're a little worried and [TS]

00:59:43   they make up the big sign that they can [TS]

00:59:45   we just talk about the room the room [TS]

00:59:47   that's in yeah def con side I hope they [TS]

00:59:50   don't make a6 defcon because they only [TS]

00:59:52   they bought the sign with the five there [TS]

00:59:54   is their [TS]

00:59:55   lightboxes it always expanded its the [TS]

00:59:58   NORAD control room it's like [TS]

00:59:58   NORAD control room it's like [TS]

01:00:00   it's like the apollo mission control [TS]

01:00:02   room at NORAD right but but that is that [TS]

01:00:06   is a massive set that is a huge set that [TS]

01:00:09   must have been like the biggest [TS]

01:00:10   soundstage they could find and I was [TS]

01:00:12   shocked watching this movie again it how [TS]

01:00:15   big and impressive that room is you [TS]

01:00:16   would think call it was probably you [TS]

01:00:18   know compare compared to modern movies [TS]

01:00:20   surely it's not gonna be but modern [TS]

01:00:21   movies always put all the screens and [TS]

01:00:22   everything like a small cramped space [TS]

01:00:24   and that set where so much of this movie [TS]

01:00:26   takes place is still impressive to this [TS]

01:00:28   day as a practical effect and everything [TS]

01:00:30   they do with that set with the lights [TS]

01:00:31   out later and and the mood and how you [TS]

01:00:33   can have people running around and how [TS]

01:00:35   much stuff you can shoot on that you can [TS]

01:00:36   see they dumped all their money into [TS]

01:00:38   that set and it was money well spent i [TS]

01:00:39   think totally holds up even though it's [TS]

01:00:41   ridiculous obviously but i think it [TS]

01:00:43   works like the mission control sets in [TS]

01:00:45   apollo 13 but it's so much bigger it's [TS]

01:00:49   just huge it's like the football field [TS]

01:00:51   practical and they got all those well [TS]

01:00:52   IMA to blow up the world it takes a lot [TS]

01:00:54   of people so and they got those screens [TS]

01:00:57   i guess they must have front projection [TS]

01:00:58   I'm trying to figure out how they even [TS]

01:00:59   did those because those those are I mean [TS]

01:01:01   I'm assuming that's all in camera and if [TS]

01:01:03   you were in that room it would those [TS]

01:01:04   graphics would be on those giant screens [TS]

01:01:06   that must have been a bunch of movie [TS]

01:01:07   projectors and then the graphics had [TS]

01:01:09   that like i said i have it straight like [TS]

01:01:10   like a victory kind of look which is it [TS]

01:01:13   actually has the I I assume it's even [TS]

01:01:15   the same people who built those graphics [TS]

01:01:16   did the graphics in max headroom a few [TS]

01:01:18   years later maybe any maybe there was [TS]

01:01:21   similar to the hitchhiker's guide to the [TS]

01:01:22   galaxy TV series it's it's it's this [TS]

01:01:24   interesting style of the time to have [TS]

01:01:27   something that didn't look like they're [TS]

01:01:29   trying to envision computer output that [TS]

01:01:31   wasn't just you know little dots on a [TS]

01:01:34   screen that go boom as they come out [TS]

01:01:36   like he asked me aren't ya [TS]

01:01:38   well but that without that I thought I [TS]

01:01:40   thought that was perfectly accurate [TS]

01:01:42   because if you if you're making if [TS]

01:01:43   you're making it for the technology that [TS]

01:01:45   time if you wanted smooth lines from [TS]

01:01:47   puts both graphs for point A to point B [TS]

01:01:49   that means i can scale up and scale down [TS]

01:01:51   you couldn't do these big rasters things [TS]

01:01:53   you really did have to do he really did [TS]

01:01:56   have to do these vectors style stuff it [TS]

01:01:58   and actually and I were in in in college [TS]

01:02:01   in college and high school even I was [TS]

01:02:05   seeing displays that were just like that [TS]

01:02:06   only only they're just green phosphor [TS]

01:02:08   but yeah we are now at DEFCON 2 by the [TS]

01:02:11   way things and I just want to let [TS]

01:02:12   everybody [TS]

01:02:13   that I've said it yet and I have to [TS]

01:02:16   think like all all the graphics that [TS]

01:02:17   appear a appear on that screen those [TS]

01:02:19   graphics define athletically speaking [TS]

01:02:21   nuclear Armageddon for me because I see [TS]

01:02:24   in my head the lines coming down the [TS]

01:02:27   circles expanding out the circle is [TS]

01:02:28   expanding at an overlapping the repeated [TS]

01:02:31   lines the arcs from over the poles and [TS]

01:02:33   everything like that is just burned in [TS]

01:02:34   my brain is like when you envision world [TS]

01:02:36   war three I just see the I see the light [TS]

01:02:38   of the vector lines the electron what's [TS]

01:02:39   supposed to be the electron beam [TS]

01:02:40   sweeping over the poles from Russia the [TS]

01:02:43   lines coming down the circles covering [TS]

01:02:44   the map that I know with a bunch of [TS]

01:02:46   circles and the same thing going to [TS]

01:02:47   reverse direction and the subs and the [TS]

01:02:49   way they move the cameras around on on [TS]

01:02:51   those screens and showing it i don't i [TS]

01:02:53   don't think it's been equal buying other [TS]

01:02:54   movie trying to convey basically they're [TS]

01:02:56   focusing the camera on screens screens [TS]

01:02:58   showing visualizations and now we have [TS]

01:03:00   such amazing visualizations with these [TS]

01:03:01   amazing 3d graphics and they show us [TS]

01:03:03   sweeping through a building and here's [TS]

01:03:04   where we're going to infiltrate in block [TS]

01:03:06   that I find like it doesn't read as well [TS]

01:03:09   as this does this is so simple so [TS]

01:03:11   straightforward and and so-and-so effect [TS]

01:03:13   it's because it's abstract that it's [TS]

01:03:15   chilling yes exactly and it's not like [TS]

01:03:17   they don't [TS]

01:03:18   we're not it's clear at least I don't [TS]

01:03:21   think we're supposed to be impressed by [TS]

01:03:22   the graphics were not like wow look at [TS]

01:03:24   these visualizations we are saddened and [TS]

01:03:26   frightened by what the graphics [TS]

01:03:28   represent right and that scene is [TS]

01:03:30   chillin where they get the three guys on [TS]

01:03:32   the line who are going to be the first [TS]

01:03:34   ones to blow up and uh and every i think [TS]

01:03:38   it's it's a little bit it's referencing [TS]

01:03:40   failsafe because it's the same kind of [TS]

01:03:42   thing and failsafe where they're they're [TS]

01:03:44   listening and when the phone you know [TS]

01:03:46   put up the high pitch tone it means [TS]

01:03:47   there was a nuclear blast and and and [TS]

01:03:50   you see those lines come in and you see [TS]

01:03:51   those circles and then you hear the guys [TS]

01:03:53   grew up we're still here and there but [TS]

01:03:56   it is a really i mean affecting and [TS]

01:03:59   creepy seen the pause before they shout [TS]

01:04:02   that's where Barry Corbin absolutely [TS]

01:04:05   earned all of his money [TS]

01:04:07   I I every time I think about individual [TS]

01:04:10   lines and individuals seen performances [TS]

01:04:12   they're all Barry Corbin from that part [TS]

01:04:14   of the movie between him being the [TS]

01:04:17   general general who in a lesser movie [TS]

01:04:20   would be excited about nuclear workers [TS]

01:04:22   this way it's been training for would-be [TS]

01:04:24   was now planning it would be playing it [TS]

01:04:26   more [TS]

01:04:26   really as know this is the worst case [TS]

01:04:29   scenario i don't want this to be [TS]

01:04:30   happening and also just the the tension [TS]

01:04:33   in his voice which he he is the he has [TS]

01:04:36   to be that guy who tells these very [TS]

01:04:39   junior green people who might be dying [TS]

01:04:41   in about 10 seconds to say i'm going to [TS]

01:04:43   give you some instructions i'm going to [TS]

01:04:45   give you the context for those [TS]

01:04:46   instructions i'm going to convey to you [TS]

01:04:48   how important it is that you could be a [TS]

01:04:50   you press that you follow these [TS]

01:04:52   instructions and do exactly i'm going to [TS]

01:04:54   stand by and I'm going to be with you as [TS]

01:04:55   you do this but here's the situation [TS]

01:04:58   we're in and mad that was just pitch [TS]

01:05:01   perfect [TS]

01:05:02   this is also around the point the movie [TS]

01:05:03   where the after hanging up the computer [TS]

01:05:06   really really really wants to talk to [TS]

01:05:07   Matthew Broderick so it keeps calling [TS]

01:05:09   him back and then he gets picked up at [TS]

01:05:11   7-eleven boy kids just your computer [TS]

01:05:13   hacker don't go to 7-eleven and that's [TS]

01:05:15   where they get you [TS]

01:05:16   uh-huh and and and then if only we had [TS]

01:05:20   some rollerblades and I know just get [TS]

01:05:22   out of there [TS]

01:05:23   uh-huh and where you could like run lola [TS]

01:05:26   run would be the other way to go and uh [TS]

01:05:29   and so that what does that leave us that [TS]

01:05:31   he gets taken to NORAD and there he gets [TS]

01:05:34   interrogated this as if he's going to be [TS]

01:05:36   a Soviet spy well interrogate likey he'd [TS]

01:05:39   be waterboarded in 10 minutes of modern [TS]

01:05:41   country like it was like immediately [TS]

01:05:43   torture and the worst they do is they [TS]

01:05:45   have Dabney Coleman give him a stern [TS]

01:05:46   talking-to leaving the longer run with [TS]

01:05:49   the computer so can we talk about Dabney [TS]

01:05:51   Coleman for a minute i just wanted to [TS]

01:05:53   say I I'll i find this such an odd [TS]

01:05:55   choice and maybe it's because thinking [TS]

01:05:56   of all the other parts of the Dabney [TS]

01:05:58   Coleman you know sitcom actor in many [TS]

01:06:01   cases as played over the years it's like [TS]

01:06:03   he's the he's the kind of genius [TS]

01:06:06   well turns out he's not the genius he's [TS]

01:06:07   like the business guy who's been left to [TS]

01:06:10   monitor the invention of the genius [TS]

01:06:13   it is the more stable genius he's that I [TS]

01:06:15   get the feeling that they were partners [TS]

01:06:17   they were to scientific partners and he [TS]

01:06:19   was the more kind of like [TS]

01:06:20   business-minded socially acceptable me [TS]

01:06:22   the other one is the more eccentric and [TS]

01:06:24   Accenture one got pushed out leaving the [TS]

01:06:25   other to plow forward that there were a [TS]

01:06:28   lot of like white shirt engineers you [TS]

01:06:30   know if you look at the people working [TS]

01:06:32   on Apollo you don't see hippie types of [TS]

01:06:34   x large you see people in nice little [TS]

01:06:36   like short sleeve shirts and ties [TS]

01:06:38   McKittrick was that kind of it [TS]

01:06:40   gineer where the pocket the the reason [TS]

01:06:42   why he has a pocket protectors because [TS]

01:06:44   yeah he's not wearing his like acid is [TS]

01:06:47   tie-dye t-shirt he's wearing an actual [TS]

01:06:49   like nice shirts that would've been [TS]

01:06:51   advertised in esquire he wants to [TS]

01:06:53   protect his pocket [TS]

01:06:54   well you gotta depends leak I think [TS]

01:06:57   Dabney Coleman it's just it's just funny [TS]

01:06:59   forgiven i think maybe it's just that he [TS]

01:07:02   got he got more typecast as he went but [TS]

01:07:05   in this movie was not he's not the [TS]

01:07:06   character I mean he made this right [TS]

01:07:08   after he made tipsy right i mean he's [TS]

01:07:10   not the character I expect to see here [TS]

01:07:12   and in this in this party is a different [TS]

01:07:14   kind of actor to be steady senior well [TS]

01:07:16   and at the time he was not really a [TS]

01:07:19   sitcom or comedy person either you know [TS]

01:07:22   to see was the the thing that was like [TS]

01:07:24   why is Dabney Coleman in this movie huh [TS]

01:07:26   and you know well I don't 925 all of us [TS]

01:07:29   were all of a sudden you had nine to [TS]

01:07:30   five you had to see and they needed [TS]

01:07:32   Buffalo Bill and then suddenly he was [TS]

01:07:34   comedy [TS]

01:07:35   yeah it's just a and I don't know who i [TS]

01:07:38   would i would have I just I I just [TS]

01:07:39   thought it was really interesting i'm [TS]

01:07:40   not saying that it's bad yes that was [TS]

01:07:43   precedes the 925 and then and then pussy [TS]

01:07:45   and then he did this I thought he works [TS]

01:07:48   as a he works as a stern father figure [TS]

01:07:50   who you buy is being intelligent to eat [TS]

01:07:52   I I felt like he also would could have [TS]

01:07:54   done more in this movie he wasn't given [TS]

01:07:56   what he was given to do he did well and [TS]

01:07:58   I fell I mean he got like second [TS]

01:07:59   building i think in the movie and I [TS]

01:08:01   guess it's just you know because it [TS]

01:08:02   because of his stature but it's like all [TS]

01:08:04   the scenes he was in he was good he [TS]

01:08:05   fulfilled his role but like no I think [TS]

01:08:07   it's looking back on his career with [TS]

01:08:09   hindsight that it seems more surprising [TS]

01:08:12   and I think it's a good performance but [TS]

01:08:14   it's funny because I put Dabney Coleman [TS]

01:08:15   in this different box and then I see him [TS]

01:08:17   here i'm like right Danny Coleman [TS]

01:08:19   because who it just you know it see he's [TS]

01:08:22   not he didn't get picked out of a pile [TS]

01:08:24   of actors and i would expect you pick [TS]

01:08:25   this character out of and I like it [TS]

01:08:28   well well here that that's the time we [TS]

01:08:29   need to talk about McKittrick Demi [TS]

01:08:32   Coleman's assistant there's one scene in [TS]

01:08:34   this movie that had me laughing out loud [TS]

01:08:36   that i did not remember that I cannot [TS]

01:08:38   believe it even in the movie does anyone [TS]

01:08:40   know we're gonna be talking about i [TS]

01:08:42   won't spoil it but I I think we're [TS]

01:08:43   talking about the same one stop [TS]

01:08:45   it's a simulation simulation no not that [TS]

01:08:50   not that one of talking about Dabney [TS]

01:08:51   Coleman at one point is helpful lady [TS]

01:08:54   helper personal assistant who is [TS]

01:08:56   inexplicably in many many more scenes [TS]

01:08:58   than it seems like she should be given [TS]

01:08:59   her big job description [TS]

01:09:01   she's talking to him about some urgent [TS]

01:09:03   issue that he's gotta handle whatever [TS]

01:09:04   he's going to meet with somebody [TS]

01:09:06   he's chewing gum he takes the gum out of [TS]

01:09:09   his mouth [TS]

01:09:10   Oh hands it to his his helper assistant [TS]

01:09:13   person who then they are at a she is now [TS]

01:09:16   his gum receptacle she's basically like [TS]

01:09:18   you are so open with me that when i'm [TS]

01:09:20   done chewing my gum rather than sticking [TS]

01:09:22   it under the table i'm going to hand it [TS]

01:09:24   to you that's how far beneath me you are [TS]

01:09:25   in all stations like and then she takes [TS]

01:09:28   it and gleefully puts it into her own [TS]

01:09:30   mouth and choose it [TS]

01:09:31   what is going on there like I i got i [TS]

01:09:36   got ok I got it I got a different i got [TS]

01:09:38   such a different breed from that seen [TS]

01:09:40   that when you have two people who are [TS]

01:09:42   working together that as a sort of like [TS]

01:09:44   Leo McGarry and what was his name his [TS]

01:09:46   assistant in the West Wing where they've [TS]

01:09:48   had this working relationship so you're [TS]

01:09:50   right right that he would realize that [TS]

01:09:52   well look I've got come on the mouth i [TS]

01:09:53   get rid of it i can't stop get spit on [TS]

01:09:55   the floor was gonna come people up so of [TS]

01:09:57   course he's crazy spin around and she's [TS]

01:10:00   gonna say okay freaking that works if [TS]

01:10:01   she says give me if she says give me [TS]

01:10:03   like that's what Nancy would do all that [TS]

01:10:05   that there they've got such an effective [TS]

01:10:07   working relationship therapy on works [TS]

01:10:09   now that's right so why does the [TS]

01:10:10   Kobayashi put in your mouth like come on [TS]

01:10:13   free gum unless you got me hot like nine [TS]

01:10:16   dollars apiece [TS]

01:10:17   waste not want not she's she's keeping [TS]

01:10:20   it moist for him [TS]

01:10:21   John the weird that is not the weird [TS]

01:10:23   scene we are talking about the gum right [TS]

01:10:24   weird seen the words it [TS]

01:10:27   yeah the weird seen the that struck me [TS]

01:10:31   is when they lock a lock [TS]

01:10:34   matthew broderick in the medical ward [TS]

01:10:36   because it doesn't have a computer [TS]

01:10:38   before and leave him alone before they [TS]

01:10:41   take away because when you've got a [TS]

01:10:42   Russian spy you lock him up and leave [TS]

01:10:45   him alone and then you leave a guard [TS]

01:10:46   there but he's gonna put the moves on a [TS]

01:10:48   nurse and this is the one I wrote down [TS]

01:10:50   my notes is sexual harassment to the [TS]

01:10:52   rescue [TS]

01:10:53   yeah yeah it's off-screen rape because [TS]

01:10:56   it just leaves the okapi keeps getting [TS]

01:10:58   more and more aggressive and then we [TS]

01:10:59   just leave the scene and we just assumed [TS]

01:11:00   that the poor woman was raped because [TS]

01:11:02   just white gloves it's more of humans [TS]

01:11:05   being unreliable because the computer [TS]

01:11:06   wouldn't put the moves on a nurse [TS]

01:11:08   obviously you haven't seen a movie [TS]

01:11:09   called electric dreams son if you get a [TS]

01:11:12   closer and closer [TS]

01:11:14   wow that takes me back and and she's [TS]

01:11:16   like hey it looks like you're going to [TS]

01:11:17   quite a tennis player and she her [TS]

01:11:19   reaction is like oh stop it [TS]

01:11:21   hehe like she tries to like all the [TS]

01:11:23   women in this movie feel like they have [TS]

01:11:24   to get the gender roles like I don't [TS]

01:11:27   know if they're trying to make it seem [TS]

01:11:28   like this woman was I just I i can't i [TS]

01:11:31   can't watch the scenes I don't [TS]

01:11:32   understand how we thought this was [TS]

01:11:34   acceptable like this is not played for [TS]

01:11:36   dramatic effects but the point is I've [TS]

01:11:38   seen is that he is distracted he could [TS]

01:11:40   have been distracted by a laser spot on [TS]

01:11:41   the wall doesn't matter and a blonde [TS]

01:11:44   secretary is the spot on the wall like [TS]

01:11:46   that it doesn't matter to the plywood [TS]

01:11:47   never use cats is your secret service in [TS]

01:11:49   there less reliable but like just those [TS]

01:11:53   scenes are just just so painful that [TS]

01:11:55   these things like the women in NORAD [TS]

01:11:58   basically fulfill the roles of like [TS]

01:12:00   service animals like they're not there [TS]

01:12:03   they're not in positions of their all [TS]

01:12:05   chewing other people's go [TS]

01:12:06   I mean it'sit's of its time and it is [TS]

01:12:08   less is less offensive than any other [TS]

01:12:10   movies that are of its time but like [TS]

01:12:11   these are such incidental things but [TS]

01:12:13   it's like it even in the incidentals [TS]

01:12:15   like ooh do you have to there was ok so [TS]

01:12:18   we watched we watched a Ghostbusters a [TS]

01:12:20   couple days after after watch this movie [TS]

01:12:22   and you know Peter Venkman is putting [TS]

01:12:26   the moves on on Dana Barrett and all [TS]

01:12:28   that and and he's meant to be kind of a [TS]

01:12:31   creep in a way but that but Dana you [TS]

01:12:34   know tell them off more I mean she falls [TS]

01:12:36   for later it is quite right so so that I [TS]

01:12:38   comparing that seems this scene where [TS]

01:12:40   it's I mean it is just meant to be a [TS]

01:12:41   distraction but it's it's so bad on all [TS]

01:12:45   the levels that it just it was like [TS]

01:12:46   really kind of gross and and again I was [TS]

01:12:48   like boy thank goodness that guys out [TS]

01:12:50   there sexually harassing that nurse so [TS]

01:12:51   that man can escape into the vents [TS]

01:12:54   yay well well thank goodness everything [TS]

01:12:57   thank goodness everything in this movie [TS]

01:12:58   makes noise because then he's able to [TS]

01:13:00   record the codon at a pre audio tape [TS]

01:13:02   recorder if the things if everything [TS]

01:13:04   didn't make noise that wouldn't have [TS]

01:13:05   worked [TS]

01:13:05   the good thing though is that this is [TS]

01:13:07   also the NORAD aah quarters that nor [TS]

01:13:11   headquarters that has the unique [TS]

01:13:13   irregular but regular school bus tour [TS]

01:13:16   that in the newscast like when he does [TS]

01:13:18   the simulation Botox over the garbage [TS]

01:13:20   can and then the next night on the news [TS]

01:13:21   like NORAD wouldn't tell the news that [TS]

01:13:23   they almost had to like the whole point [TS]

01:13:25   of north and then you're like later when [TS]

01:13:26   you see by stories like oh I guess NORAD [TS]

01:13:28   is like come on in and see our secret [TS]

01:13:30   lair [TS]

01:13:31   transparent your head out before we got [TS]

01:13:35   free 11 bit one second though there was [TS]

01:13:38   a so there's a line from but when I [TS]

01:13:40   thought you're talking about McKettrick [TS]

01:13:41   system i thought you talked with an [TS]

01:13:43   embassy one who the first one who like [TS]

01:13:46   like five minutes after the rest of [TS]

01:13:48   North realize that all this isn't this [TS]

01:13:49   isn't really a nuclear nuclear first [TS]

01:13:52   strike from Russia it's just simulation [TS]

01:13:54   is that never she keeps running in with [TS]

01:13:56   this long strip of green bar proud dad [TS]

01:13:58   stop it doesn't nation it's not alone [TS]

01:14:01   you can say Jewish it's ok I i will say [TS]

01:14:04   never again I I don't see a religion i [TS]

01:14:09   feel that we're all children of the same [TS]

01:14:12   God who was the father of Jesus Christ [TS]

01:14:14   anyway it's a there's a there's a [TS]

01:14:18   beautiful line and in this movie that i [TS]

01:14:20   think is so instructive in good [TS]

01:14:22   storytelling in which if you know [TS]

01:14:24   anything about if you if you know even [TS]

01:14:27   nothing about how government [TS]

01:14:29   installations work you figure that [TS]

01:14:30   how is it possible for anyone just a [TS]

01:14:33   dial in on an outside line and get [TS]

01:14:35   access to the computer that launches [TS]

01:14:37   nuclear missiles and there's this and [TS]

01:14:40   all that has that has to happen is for [TS]

01:14:43   this one never actually guy to say one [TS]

01:14:45   line which is the phone company screwed [TS]

01:14:47   up and all phone company we all hate the [TS]

01:14:50   phone company to we are our whatever [TS]

01:14:52   curious we had is now completely [TS]

01:14:53   satisfied and i love the fact that in an [TS]

01:14:56   earlier draft her someone who isn't as [TS]

01:14:58   good as screenwriter they would have [TS]

01:14:59   come up with this big complicated all [TS]

01:15:01   they they pulled out there's a [TS]

01:15:03   maintenance cycle that was happening [TS]

01:15:04   they pulled one back and this shot with [TS]

01:15:07   this other technician accidentally hooks [TS]

01:15:09   up this thing to the other thing [TS]

01:15:10   no no no need to do that one line [TS]

01:15:12   handles it there's an interview there is [TS]

01:15:14   a podcast interview with the writers of [TS]

01:15:16   lost that entered that explain this term [TS]

01:15:19   that i absolutely love they refer to it [TS]

01:15:20   as hang a lantern on it where if there's [TS]

01:15:23   something that he needs to happen for [TS]

01:15:24   the plot but it's technically absolutely [TS]

01:15:26   impossible [TS]

01:15:27   they're talking about some seen in Los [TS]

01:15:30   in which a radio signal had be coming [TS]

01:15:31   from underwater that they're [TS]

01:15:32   triangulating it was happening [TS]

01:15:33   underwater and they're in the writers [TS]

01:15:35   room for lost they actually spent just [TS]

01:15:37   hours and hours coming up with a [TS]

01:15:39   technical explanation for why this radio [TS]

01:15:41   signals coming out there before they [TS]

01:15:43   just collectively slap themselves in the [TS]

01:15:45   face and just simply type I i know [TS]

01:15:47   that's impossible but I'm telling you [TS]

01:15:49   that's what happening line of dialogue [TS]

01:15:50   done move on [TS]

01:15:52   beautiful that's that's why the [TS]

01:15:53   enterprise has a transporter instead of [TS]

01:15:55   always taking the shuttlecraft down just [TS]

01:15:57   like that shortcut do it also also if [TS]

01:16:01   you run out of money and you don't feel [TS]

01:16:02   like you can't get any more aliens in [TS]

01:16:04   and you really want to be able to just [TS]

01:16:05   rent some standard Western costumes you [TS]

01:16:08   can simply say oh the transporter is [TS]

01:16:10   malfunctioning and war from the rest of [TS]

01:16:12   the main cast are stuck in the wild wild [TS]

01:16:14   west also by the way here's a tip if you [TS]

01:16:18   are somewhere in Colorado and you don't [TS]

01:16:21   have any money and you need to make a [TS]

01:16:23   phone call [TS]

01:16:24   find a little tab from a soda can have [TS]

01:16:27   to explain that to my children to ya [TS]

01:16:31   oh and you can you can do some phone [TS]

01:16:33   hacking things so this is that one of [TS]

01:16:35   the another place in this movie where [TS]

01:16:36   they're making reference to the you know [TS]

01:16:39   phone-hacking exploits of people in the [TS]

01:16:41   seventies and he calls ally sheedy [TS]

01:16:45   and-and-and-and my note is hey airplane [TS]

01:16:49   security was a lot less lacks then and [TS]

01:16:51   there were no databases because she [TS]

01:16:53   literally like calls at the airline and [TS]

01:16:54   says can you can't leave a plane ticket [TS]

01:16:56   for my friend tattoo [TS]

01:16:58   he's landed at the airport because [TS]

01:17:00   they're not they don't they don't know [TS]

01:17:02   he's there they can't triangulate the [TS]

01:17:04   database he doesn't need any ID she can [TS]

01:17:07   put it amazing just do you feel like [TS]

01:17:10   there's so many things that nobody [TS]

01:17:12   understands all under the age of 25 this [TS]

01:17:14   movie trip they just like sort of [TS]

01:17:16   remaster this so it's in black and white [TS]

01:17:18   and black bet super super fast walking [TS]

01:17:20   around that didn't deter well he's [TS]

01:17:25   enough he's in a phone booth is in a [TS]

01:17:27   phone booth who knows what a phone booth [TS]

01:17:28   is I remember seeing this is a kid being [TS]

01:17:30   excited by the ability to get free calls [TS]

01:17:32   because that was an exciting thing that [TS]

01:17:33   was a kid to be able to use in a phone [TS]

01:17:35   without paying [TS]

01:17:36   but i remember we're not even when I was [TS]

01:17:37   young watching this movie I said those [TS]

01:17:39   phone handset things are so hard to [TS]

01:17:42   unscrew the [TS]

01:17:43   no way by bang like that was the [TS]

01:17:44   unrealistic think we're not touching it [TS]

01:17:46   the little thing with the with the soda [TS]

01:17:47   pop top it was the fact that he was able [TS]

01:17:50   to unscrew because i had tried that many [TS]

01:17:51   times and they're really hard before the [TS]

01:17:55   movie I'd rather because you know why [TS]

01:17:57   wouldn't you may be sure they will also [TS]

01:17:59   also they had a much simpler solution [TS]

01:18:00   which again any kid of that time would [TS]

01:18:02   know if you just sort of check the check [TS]

01:18:04   the the coin return there is a good [TS]

01:18:06   chance it's going to be a dime in there [TS]

01:18:07   they checked it a check the movie hasn't [TS]

01:18:10   returned [TS]

01:18:11   yeah everybody else that's the move [TS]

01:18:12   that's what you do when you're a kid and [TS]

01:18:13   you have no money you check all the coin [TS]

01:18:15   returns but you're gonna make all are [TS]

01:18:16   not exactly that is that is that used to [TS]

01:18:19   know gotye table but don't want to into [TS]

01:18:21   a collector of nostalgia trip but it's [TS]

01:18:22   like I just remember i still remember [TS]

01:18:24   there was a soda machine the next to the [TS]

01:18:27   fire station that was broken in such a [TS]

01:18:29   way that it would district was [TS]

01:18:30   discharged a quarter like after was do [TS]

01:18:33   or something and it was always good for [TS]

01:18:35   least three-quarters finest memory of my [TS]

01:18:37   life free sodas at the shakey's near my [TS]

01:18:40   house somebody drilled a hole in a [TS]

01:18:41   quarter and run a fishing line through [TS]

01:18:43   it and the space where arcade game there [TS]

01:18:46   had horizontal slots rather than [TS]

01:18:48   vertical and so he just ran the quarter [TS]

01:18:50   up and down a couple hundred times and [TS]

01:18:52   we played all weekend i tried that so [TS]

01:18:57   many times with video games machines and [TS]

01:18:59   it never worked [TS]

01:19:00   I always lost the thing string broke [TS]

01:19:02   because you see it you see you see in [TS]

01:19:04   the water brothers cartoon it should [TS]

01:19:05   work [TS]

01:19:06   it's the horizontal slot it's the [TS]

01:19:08   vertical slot that it's false sideways [TS]

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01:20:30   try wing and there's pentalobe the one [TS]

01:20:32   that Apple does that's got five sides [TS]

01:20:34   and it drives iFixit crazy so they built [TS]

01:20:37   their own bit so you can take apart [TS]

01:20:39   apple stuff yourself anyway the toolkit [TS]

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01:21:14   supporting all five by five and for [TS]

01:21:15   supporting the uncomfortable at the [TS]

01:21:18   another anachronistic things move [TS]

01:21:20   courses all the people smoking but it [TS]

01:21:21   was kind of hilarious like it in a way [TS]

01:21:23   that they were almost aware of how this [TS]

01:21:24   movie would be viewed in the future that [TS]

01:21:26   they have five people smoking cigarettes [TS]

01:21:28   and doors not a big deal [TS]

01:21:29   find that the big general guy has a [TS]

01:21:30   giant cigar of course the general guys [TS]

01:21:32   the guard is allowed it going to say but [TS]

01:21:34   then later the movie when he pulls the [TS]

01:21:35   chewing tobacco it's like okay now [TS]

01:21:37   you're just gonna you're just showing [TS]

01:21:38   off like I'm done with the cigar i'm [TS]

01:21:41   going with the cigarette give me my bag [TS]

01:21:42   and shoe [TS]

01:21:43   yeah yeah although that was very that [TS]

01:21:46   was a very character thing to it's [TS]

01:21:47   looking like he's like alright i guess [TS]

01:21:49   the world's gonna end I'm gonna get the [TS]

01:21:51   to win here and we're gonna do this [TS]

01:21:53   thing picked the wrong week to stop [TS]

01:21:54   sniffing glue [TS]

01:21:56   I was just going to say that that is [TS]

01:21:58   that is one of that is one of my clear [TS]

01:22:00   memories of shots from this movie when [TS]

01:22:02   they went whopper starts locking leave [TS]

01:22:04   the regular personnel out and McKittrick [TS]

01:22:07   is like just leaning over the keyboard [TS]

01:22:09   look but dragons just the cigarette [TS]

01:22:11   dangling from his love for his moustache [TS]

01:22:13   blank expression on his face [TS]

01:22:16   how do people act without cigarettes now [TS]

01:22:18   there's so many actors who learned how [TS]

01:22:20   to act so I got to have this in my hand [TS]

01:22:22   I've gotta know how to puff on this [TS]

01:22:23   thing you gotta have something to play [TS]

01:22:25   with [TS]

01:22:25   yeah now it's just based baseball bats [TS]

01:22:29   they just carry around baseball bats [TS]

01:22:30   where the general calls the alaska-based [TS]

01:22:33   to scramble to f6 teens and then they [TS]

01:22:36   immediately cut to stock footage of 215 [TS]

01:22:39   like if you're gonna get stock footage [TS]

01:22:43   you have the script you're not flying [TS]

01:22:45   these plans get stock footage of the 16 [TS]

01:22:47   they existed because young siracusa had [TS]

01:22:51   snapped together ravel model hanging [TS]

01:22:53   from the ceiling of his bedroom [TS]

01:22:55   god damn it he knew what those look like [TS]

01:22:57   maybe I did okay so she could you don't [TS]

01:23:02   have the patience to put together the [TS]

01:23:03   Millennium Falcon monogram model do I [TS]

01:23:06   don't have money for that [TS]

01:23:08   there you go paper route John paper [TS]

01:23:11   route [TS]

01:23:12   some of us had gumption some of us [TS]

01:23:13   didn't so we we have reached we at long [TS]

01:23:17   last at long last we have reached a [TS]

01:23:22   professor Falcons island where Stuart [TS]

01:23:27   pterodactyls fly in the air and that's [TS]

01:23:30   still awesome that real flying thing [TS]

01:23:32   that steers with the head i want that [TS]

01:23:33   now where's that now it really is my son [TS]

01:23:38   my son saw that he was like oh that's [TS]

01:23:40   what is this what happened is the wrong [TS]

01:23:42   movie what's going on what did I hit my [TS]

01:23:47   head what's happened there that work the [TS]

01:23:49   greatest like a non sequitur like you're [TS]

01:23:51   in this movie about computers and they [TS]

01:23:52   show a pterodactyl and they linger on it [TS]

01:23:54   and you're like that's a pterodactyl I [TS]

01:23:55   know what a pterodactyl looks like [TS]

01:23:56   that's a pterodactyl and then we and [TS]

01:23:59   then we meet professor Falken and turns [TS]

01:24:01   out that he is obsessed with dinosaurs [TS]

01:24:03   and is convinced that humans are going [TS]

01:24:05   to be extinct just like dinosaurs [TS]

01:24:07   yeah he is a big downer don't go don't [TS]

01:24:11   go to present focus cabins and someday [TS]

01:24:13   you may have a child and watch him die [TS]

01:24:16   and since not a fun time you get the [TS]

01:24:18   impression that professor Falken is [TS]

01:24:19   actually like jeff goldblum characters [TS]

01:24:22   dad [TS]

01:24:23   from driving park because yes because [TS]

01:24:25   nature nature will blow bubbles will [TS]

01:24:27   start all over again prop prop probably [TS]

01:24:29   probably with the bees this time now [TS]

01:24:31   he's much more distinguished and just go [TS]

01:24:33   with my love whatever whoever this actor [TS]

01:24:34   is I don't even know if I've seen maybe [TS]

01:24:36   he does such a good job as falken to [TS]

01:24:38   being kind of eccentric and these get [TS]

01:24:40   the accent he's even when he's being [TS]

01:24:42   crazy and fatalistic you know it totally [TS]

01:24:45   totally believable in this role but [TS]

01:24:47   always always liked distinguishing you [TS]

01:24:48   kind of like I accept his craziness by I [TS]

01:24:51   accept that he's this is the way he is [TS]

01:24:53   and it's okay for him to be that way i [TS]

01:24:55   don't think i've seen this actor [TS]

01:24:56   anything else but he's he's great i was [TS]

01:24:58   noticing that watching this but he's [TS]

01:24:59   really great in this I mean he's a donor [TS]

01:25:02   and all that but he's a you know Vulcan [TS]

01:25:05   is this mysterious figure that's [TS]

01:25:07   happening we know and then we think he's [TS]

01:25:09   dead and all that then we finally meet [TS]

01:25:11   him and it kinda it pays off [TS]

01:25:13   he he pays off absolutely and he gets [TS]

01:25:15   the one good comedy line in this movie I [TS]

01:25:17   thought where he meets up with his old [TS]

01:25:18   partner and says I see your wife still [TS]

01:25:20   picture ties which I didn't remember [TS]

01:25:23   that why you're a kid but like it he [TS]

01:25:26   does it in kind of the dry British way [TS]

01:25:27   is like that that's his disarming way to [TS]

01:25:30   meet an old friend hadn't seen in many [TS]

01:25:31   years [TS]

01:25:32   yeah he's a he's been a lot more working [TS]

01:25:35   in Britain and originated a lot of roles [TS]

01:25:38   in tom stoppard plays in the seventies [TS]

01:25:41   so you know if this were a movie in [TS]

01:25:44   England that would be the name like oh [TS]

01:25:46   my god John Wood whereas over here that [TS]

01:25:48   I think that might be the most famous [TS]

01:25:50   thing is done over here [TS]

01:25:51   yeah that's I I'm again this is really a [TS]

01:25:55   downer and and he says will were close [TS]

01:25:58   to a target so will be spared the [TS]

01:26:00   horrors of survival will just be [TS]

01:26:02   vaporized it will be a problem which is [TS]

01:26:04   really nice to say to the two you know [TS]

01:26:06   teenagers who were falling in love who [TS]

01:26:08   are visiting you on your little island [TS]

01:26:11   that you've got is all that that was a [TS]

01:26:13   meme in my childhood that the whole idea [TS]

01:26:15   that you wanted to be close to an [TS]

01:26:17   important target and I'm sure didn't [TS]

01:26:18   start with this movie but it was like it [TS]

01:26:21   was I remember be discussing it with my [TS]

01:26:22   parents that we don't have to worry [TS]

01:26:24   about anything because we were so close [TS]

01:26:25   to new york city would be vaporized [TS]

01:26:27   well I remember I so so so watching this [TS]

01:26:30   one of the things that struck me was [TS]

01:26:31   that the true there's a line of dialogue [TS]

01:26:34   that I felt was the true Cold War [TS]

01:26:36   view the true like this is what it was [TS]

01:26:38   like living through the cold cold war [TS]

01:26:40   which is when i think is an ally sheedy [TS]

01:26:44   says i wish i didn't know like everyone [TS]

01:26:46   else we don't just die thats its Matt [TS]

01:26:48   Matthew Broderick i wish i didn't know [TS]

01:26:50   that it's matthew broderick right i just [TS]

01:26:51   wish i didn't know like everyone else I [TS]

01:26:53   i wish i didn't know we all just die [TS]

01:26:55   tomorrow right it's like that's that's [TS]

01:26:57   it how fatalistic this is we you know I [TS]

01:27:00   don't want the knowledge that the world [TS]

01:27:01   is going to end [TS]

01:27:02   I just wanted to end it will be over and [TS]

01:27:04   I won't have to worry about it [TS]

01:27:06   wow yeah that was real folks because [TS]

01:27:11   like you kind of you know made this [TS]

01:27:12   happen so yeah [TS]

01:27:14   also it is yeah it is this where we add [TS]

01:27:17   their defqon.1 now people we are at [TS]

01:27:19   DEFCON 1 this is where Barry Corbin puts [TS]

01:27:23   in his to in tobacco because it's [TS]

01:27:24   serious business [TS]

01:27:26   I know there's a rule saying that you [TS]

01:27:28   can't spit on the floor north but screw [TS]

01:27:30   it we're all gonna die anyway [TS]

01:27:31   rules are for lesser men event another [TS]

01:27:34   you know no one's got a tourist as well [TS]

01:27:36   and also falken can take his helicopter [TS]

01:27:38   into no red like I would imagine a [TS]

01:27:39   helicopter flying towards north would be [TS]

01:27:41   something that they were dead to say oh [TS]

01:27:44   I also a lie i also i also would have I [TS]

01:27:47   also would imagine that somebody would [TS]

01:27:48   have phoned ahead and said hi [TS]

01:27:50   yeah I you know that I'm in the [TS]

01:27:51   helicopter don't shoot it down [TS]

01:27:53   yeah I'm hey I'm heading in and given [TS]

01:27:56   that I'm probably the only person one of [TS]

01:27:57   only two people here the only person who [TS]

01:27:59   can actually legally buy liquor who can [TS]

01:28:01   who can fix this problem perhaps you [TS]

01:28:03   should let me land had been like the [TS]

01:28:06   obligatory cards because that's [TS]

01:28:07   something i could do in the eighties [TS]

01:28:08   they could have car chases they were [TS]

01:28:09   good at that you added to have stunt [TS]

01:28:11   drivers drive really fast and like it's [TS]

01:28:13   just a race against time it's not even a [TS]

01:28:15   car chase it's just a little guy the guy [TS]

01:28:17   crashes through the gate you know they [TS]

01:28:19   gotta roll the Jeep they just got here [TS]

01:28:21   and that's their minutes what they're [TS]

01:28:23   made to do and it almost doesn't fit in [TS]

01:28:25   this movie where that doesn't have many [TS]

01:28:26   other scenes like that but it'sit's for [TS]

01:28:28   the purpose of the dramatic effect of [TS]

01:28:29   getting through the comically huge door [TS]

01:28:31   and said pays off the the door closing [TS]

01:28:34   bird earlier in the move backwards yeah [TS]

01:28:38   are on the movie they show that same [TS]

01:28:40   huge door closing people are squeezing [TS]

01:28:42   through at the last second it's like [TS]

01:28:43   wait your turn like it's not worth your [TS]

01:28:45   life [TS]

01:28:46   guess I need more gum we pancaked [TS]

01:28:50   another employee can say where that came [TS]

01:28:54   from work [TS]

01:28:55   where we're going we got there we got [TS]

01:28:56   the Ronald Reagan defense budget we can [TS]

01:28:58   always get more army guys John didn't [TS]

01:29:01   come into work today well half of him [TS]

01:29:03   did ya [TS]

01:29:05   really we're only talking you have for [TS]

01:29:06   half of you for being late [TS]

01:29:08   there's a scene they cut out where Han [TS]

01:29:10   Solo last three people where Luke is the [TS]

01:29:16   door closed walk us through how you're [TS]

01:29:17   feeling right now because it's getting [TS]

01:29:19   full well well let's bring out your [TS]

01:29:24   headliner Goodwin Greg good I'll spice [TS]

01:29:28   that into the first Rick's back episode [TS]

01:29:29   i would i would have gone with the scene [TS]

01:29:34   where Chewbacca yells after the door [TS]

01:29:36   closes or something to that effect yeah [TS]

01:29:38   right there you go [TS]

01:29:39   I know what your favorite Star Wars [TS]

01:29:40   movies so you're forgiven yeah what else [TS]

01:29:43   we have in here we have your you're [TS]

01:29:45   listening to a machine [TS]

01:29:46   don't act like one right that don't be [TS]

01:29:48   don't be like the machine you got the [TS]

01:29:50   whopper sound the one-percenters very [TS]

01:29:52   good you should put that on a loop in [TS]

01:29:53   your house just for food and they like [TS]

01:29:58   that but they do the cameras that you [TS]

01:29:59   know slide the camera around the little [TS]

01:30:01   engine light areas like everyone can you [TS]

01:30:03   really show you want to show that the [TS]

01:30:04   whopper is this ominous presence type [TS]

01:30:06   thing and so you've got the noise and [TS]

01:30:08   you've got the camera panning over the [TS]

01:30:09   big whopper set piece is there a [TS]

01:30:11   Saturday Night Live sketch where they [TS]

01:30:13   cut to the whopper and it's a giant [TS]

01:30:14   hamburger [TS]

01:30:15   I believe that's a real a real smoke it [TS]

01:30:19   if this was a modern movie they would be [TS]

01:30:20   burning product placement guaranteed i [TS]

01:30:22   think there would have been many seasons [TS]

01:30:24   of sentient life or that would have been [TS]

01:30:25   a good 1152 p.m. joke [TS]

01:30:27   yup yup but isn't it one thing one thing [TS]

01:30:30   that called attention to me that it [TS]

01:30:32   really looked like 1958 1965 like [TS]

01:30:37   cabinet design did that with because it [TS]

01:30:39   had those really smooth corners to it it [TS]

01:30:42   was painted in that sort of [TS]

01:30:44   institutional green even the computers [TS]

01:30:46   around it looked a lot newer than [TS]

01:30:48   whopper [TS]

01:30:49   yeah it had well it looked it look I [TS]

01:30:51   think the other ones were either based [TS]

01:30:53   on real designs are were real designs of [TS]

01:30:55   actual things whereas whopper was wholly [TS]

01:30:57   constructed by Hollywood so it kind of [TS]

01:30:58   makes sense that when they [TS]

01:30:59   instructed that they don't know what [TS]

01:31:01   real computers look like they just wanna [TS]

01:31:02   make something that really something [TS]

01:31:03   that reads as that blinky lights it's [TS]

01:31:06   big i did I don't think the condition of [TS]

01:31:08   the blinky lights they had that one [TS]

01:31:10   section of like it make a matrix LED [TS]

01:31:12   that was flipping through sine waves [TS]

01:31:14   I thought that was pretty boss oh yeah [TS]

01:31:15   count counting down the days till the [TS]

01:31:18   end of the world just to let you know if [TS]

01:31:20   you if you were looking at the hardware [TS]

01:31:23   it would say by the way still counting [TS]

01:31:24   down to the end of the world you see it [TS]

01:31:26   you guys the engineers that can have to [TS]

01:31:28   feel like pretty minus x that say why [TS]

01:31:30   did we bother putting these lights in if [TS]

01:31:33   no one is ever going to look at them [TS]

01:31:35   that's just that just that just do [TS]

01:31:38   values me as a worker it really [TS]

01:31:39   negatively impact my sense of [TS]

01:31:41   empowerment in this organization there's [TS]

01:31:44   a nice i I like to fake out here where [TS]

01:31:46   where it turns out that everybody's safe [TS]

01:31:49   and it's all it's all okay and then and [TS]

01:31:52   then ok work we win everything's good [TS]

01:31:55   back slaps tell the president were okay [TS]

01:31:58   and then there's the oh no we're not [TS]

01:32:01   safe [TS]

01:32:01   mr. McKittrick it is my it's my [TS]

01:32:03   considered opinion that you're with your [TS]

01:32:05   missile program sucks sucks [TS]

01:32:07   is this the first movie where they did [TS]

01:32:09   the thing where you guess the password [TS]

01:32:11   and tells you each time you got a [TS]

01:32:13   single-digit right because that is that [TS]

01:32:16   is definitely a mean like that that what [TS]

01:32:18   you heard from 1983 and continues to [TS]

01:32:20   this day and it makes so little sense on [TS]

01:32:23   any level to like like like common sense [TS]

01:32:26   not technical just think of common sense [TS]

01:32:28   how many choices are there for each [TS]

01:32:29   position how many times if it's going to [TS]

01:32:31   tell you when you get any of those [TS]

01:32:33   positions right like yeah it doesn't it [TS]

01:32:36   doesn't make it i mean it makes for a [TS]

01:32:37   good dramatic dramatically [TS]

01:32:40   yeah right it makes for good drama and I [TS]

01:32:43   can't remember movie before this they [TS]

01:32:45   did it so this may be where that came [TS]

01:32:47   from and again as a kid it didn't bother [TS]

01:32:49   me in the least because I was dumb but [TS]

01:32:51   ok you know because also was an exciting [TS]

01:32:53   movie that that's the point at which [TS]

01:32:54   it's working for you so you don't really [TS]

01:32:56   think about that twice right it's a more [TS]

01:32:58   exciting countdown than actual countdown [TS]

01:33:00   right yeah and even this time like it [TS]

01:33:02   didn't dollar baby I do get caught up [TS]

01:33:03   like this this amazing said that they [TS]

01:33:05   built I really think this is the star of [TS]

01:33:06   the movie production was this amazing [TS]

01:33:07   said that they built it's like the end [TS]

01:33:09   of a rock show where like they don't go [TS]

01:33:10   to the climax [TS]

01:33:12   and they they use all the fancy lights [TS]

01:33:14   on this end you know I can be anything [TS]

01:33:15   to show you that we can do this kind of [TS]

01:33:17   lighting scenario we can do that one but [TS]

01:33:18   like in the big climax they do all the [TS]

01:33:20   lights on this big climax the computer [TS]

01:33:22   as they do in movies causes everything [TS]

01:33:24   to blow up with sparks because that's [TS]

01:33:25   what computers do we all know that but [TS]

01:33:27   that means basically the lights are off [TS]

01:33:28   on the set and once lights are off on [TS]

01:33:30   the set now it's basically time for a [TS]

01:33:31   laser light show because then the [TS]

01:33:33   screens are even more dramatic and [TS]

01:33:35   reflecting light on the people spaces [TS]

01:33:37   which again real screens don't do but i [TS]

01:33:38   think these projection screens probably [TS]

01:33:40   actually did project these huge lights [TS]

01:33:42   back on their faces and it is a laser [TS]

01:33:43   light show of Joshua learning with the [TS]

01:33:45   with that you know if they're RGB [TS]

01:33:47   screens it's basically you got white [TS]

01:33:48   hundred percent read hundreds and green [TS]

01:33:50   hundred percent blue you know and these [TS]

01:33:53   flashing lights everything get [TS]

01:33:54   everything in camera it's like the [TS]

01:33:57   culmination of a rock show in terms of [TS]

01:33:59   effect size i think it still works also [TS]

01:34:01   is it such that is if if if there was a [TS]

01:34:03   more effective way for them for the [TS]

01:34:05   filmmaker to communicate that the humans [TS]

01:34:08   have absolutely no influence on what [TS]

01:34:10   happens next [TS]

01:34:11   either either everybody dies in about [TS]

01:34:13   five minutes or it's been fixed [TS]

01:34:15   we don't know yet and and on a more [TS]

01:34:17   personal note ever since that movie I've [TS]

01:34:19   been hoping for a screensaver especially [TS]

01:34:22   with HD tvs that would do nothing but [TS]

01:34:24   run through all of those wargames [TS]

01:34:26   whopper scenarios except like Iceland [TS]

01:34:29   I've got the list in front of me where [TS]

01:34:30   it's just hong kong jarencio [TS]

01:34:32   decapitating Cuban provocation [TS]

01:34:34   inadvertent landing heavy human [TS]

01:34:35   paramilitary Nicaraguan pre-emptive [TS]

01:34:37   Pacific territorial Burmese theater wide [TS]

01:34:39   search detour [TS]

01:34:40   it's like I want to see and I want to [TS]

01:34:41   see the the maps go and i want to see [TS]

01:34:43   inbounds I want to see the sea winner [TS]

01:34:45   none none none none none [TS]

01:34:47   yeah i would just I would buy a TV [TS]

01:34:49   exactly for that with all those cool [TS]

01:34:51   names of the love the different [TS]

01:34:52   strategies to which i always like to [TS]

01:34:54   like to see Warsaw Pact isolated [TS]

01:34:57   incident English escalations I your [TS]

01:34:58   screen middle EA Mexican takeover Chad [TS]

01:35:01   alert that Saudi maneuver African [TS]

01:35:03   territorial you hoping clearly canadian [TS]

01:35:05   parentheses obstructed by our earlier [TS]

01:35:10   that is my favorite guy in the entire [TS]

01:35:11   movie when they know what they figure [TS]

01:35:13   out to make a play tic-tac-toe and acai [TS]

01:35:15   from the back who gets a speaking part [TS]

01:35:17   of the movie is understanding [TS]

01:35:19   square-like know if he's got the key [TS]

01:35:21   he's got the key to take back those [TS]

01:35:23   strategies like no I know this game [TS]

01:35:24   trust me but [TS]

01:35:25   it's in the center square somebody [TS]

01:35:26   somebody got you someone got Screen [TS]

01:35:28   Actors Guild eq health coverage based on [TS]

01:35:30   that line [TS]

01:35:31   I thought he was thinking that was like [TS]

01:35:33   the override code right just put the X [TS]

01:35:35   in the center square that will end it [TS]

01:35:36   right [TS]

01:35:36   I I always read that as a kid even as a [TS]

01:35:38   kid I guys stupid guess you didn't [TS]

01:35:41   expect that guy's really done speaking [TS]

01:35:44   part tho you gotta do you gotta love it [TS]

01:35:46   and like at the part where like how [TS]

01:35:49   gonna get it to play itself but number [TS]

01:35:50   of players 0 that's probably how program [TS]

01:35:52   would work [TS]

01:35:53   yeah fuckin nose he wrote it [TS]

01:35:56   that's fine what I'll say is strange [TS]

01:36:01   game the only winning move is not to [TS]

01:36:02   play I noticed this time that the words [TS]

01:36:04   on the screen say a strange game but the [TS]

01:36:06   audio says strange and i only remember [TS]

01:36:09   the audio i guess because I wasn't [TS]

01:36:10   reading the screen at that point I was [TS]

01:36:12   listening to what Joshua would say but [TS]

01:36:13   yeah but it's a different reading the [TS]

01:36:15   also interesting that it's this it's the [TS]

01:36:17   same voice that that even when i start [TS]

01:36:20   for the first time that guy stumbled [TS]

01:36:22   over that a little bit i didn't dislike [TS]

01:36:23   that but it's like oh ok that's a [TS]

01:36:25   commercial product you can buy it from [TS]

01:36:27   the magazine he was reading and and same [TS]

01:36:30   Center just yet [TS]

01:36:31   they say the same same page in the digit [TS]

01:36:33   keys catalog for the right to IC [TS]

01:36:35   component sure it's just it's the same [TS]

01:36:38   reason why our announcer on the [TS]

01:36:40   incomparable is the same announcer you [TS]

01:36:41   here in better happier by radiohead [TS]

01:36:44   let's say you know it's just it's [TS]

01:36:46   available [TS]

01:36:47   it's commercially available product yeah [TS]

01:36:50   get some he gets around that robot guy [TS]

01:36:51   and this movie can't resist one of the [TS]

01:36:53   greatest eighties end of movie means [TS]

01:36:56   which is when the movie ends and in a [TS]

01:36:59   celebratory happy manner [TS]

01:37:01   someone has to throw papers and even [TS]

01:37:03   though in this movie doesn't make any [TS]

01:37:04   sense in context because there really is [TS]

01:37:06   not a lot of paperwork going on in the [TS]

01:37:07   war room [TS]

01:37:08   somebody throws papers if you wait past [TS]

01:37:10   the credits Matthew Broderick is in the [TS]

01:37:11   shower and tells you to go home that [TS]

01:37:13   you're still here but let's also it in [TS]

01:37:17   terms of like great like tiny tiny [TS]

01:37:19   little cameos in that in that room I [TS]

01:37:21   love the shot of the the sergeant who [TS]

01:37:23   all you see is like her mouth and the [TS]

01:37:26   other little like headset mic 321 impact [TS]

01:37:31   impact our lips are the star that senior [TS]

01:37:34   getting outside [TS]

01:37:35   exactly it's like yeah [TS]

01:37:37   yeah it's in somewhere there's got to be [TS]

01:37:39   like it is it some office like at least [TS]

01:37:41   through 1986 there was a pile of [TS]

01:37:44   videotapes and nothing but auditions of [TS]

01:37:45   close-ups of actresses little wearing [TS]

01:37:47   blue microphones and they picked the [TS]

01:37:49   best one out of seven hundred because [TS]

01:37:51   that was just good casting and her [TS]

01:37:53   booming voice I don't even know if [TS]

01:37:54   that's her be like the voice amplified [TS]

01:37:56   with reverb on that huge room like [TS]

01:37:58   totally totally works and like the like [TS]

01:38:01   many eighties movies there's no Dana [TS]

01:38:03   Montu this movie like it ends with a guy [TS]

01:38:05   throwing papers in the air and then they [TS]

01:38:07   were all command it's like it like it [TS]

01:38:08   they don't want to tell you what [TS]

01:38:10   happened to David did he ever get [TS]

01:38:12   arrested did he go on to like get a [TS]

01:38:14   modern movie I feel like would have to [TS]

01:38:15   show you what happened invisible by [TS]

01:38:17   Congress parents happy do we see ahead [TS]

01:38:19   seen with him without like she does he [TS]

01:38:20   does he become an apprentice stuff that [TS]

01:38:23   she'd become an apprentice to fuck in [TS]

01:38:25   the Iran corn would be no it would be it [TS]

01:38:29   would be truthful will be fade fade to [TS]

01:38:32   black fade up six months later in which [TS]

01:38:34   there's like they're meeting a coffee [TS]

01:38:36   shop say well that's too bad that that [TS]

01:38:37   the that Joshua program had to be [TS]

01:38:39   completely deleted yes but it was for [TS]

01:38:41   the safety of the country and then like [TS]

01:38:43   he picks it pulls out a phone and which [TS]

01:38:44   you Joshua call mom tell her i'm going [TS]

01:38:47   to be 15 minutes late [TS]

01:38:49   alright professor Matthew Broderick many [TS]

01:38:53   ways of the camera execu- he might as [TS]

01:38:56   well but it was its abrupt but like as a [TS]

01:38:58   kid that's where the movie ended and [TS]

01:39:00   that we have really happened as an adult [TS]

01:39:02   seen modern movies I'm like oh I guess [TS]

01:39:04   the credits come now you're right Kyra I [TS]

01:39:05   guess you're right there is nothing [TS]

01:39:06   after that and what do you like I guess [TS]

01:39:09   even in star wars they gave the guys [TS]

01:39:10   metals like there was a there was a wine [TS]

01:39:12   down you know doesn't end with a start [TS]

01:39:13   blowing up and the credits roll but it's [TS]

01:39:15   not like sneakers yeah right it's like I [TS]

01:39:17   think the best analog isn't sneakers you [TS]

01:39:19   know where there has to be that scene in [TS]

01:39:21   which the government finally catches up [TS]

01:39:22   with the these these white hat hackers [TS]

01:39:25   who have actually saved you know the [TS]

01:39:27   country from this thing and that has to [TS]

01:39:28   be the medal ceremony which look but the [TS]

01:39:31   james earl jones has to say [TS]

01:39:32   now we can't let any of this go to get [TS]

01:39:35   out and so if you it was a lot of what [TS]

01:39:38   we get out of it like well what do you [TS]

01:39:40   want [TS]

01:39:42   and because all i want is that sexy [TS]

01:39:44   asians phone number of a river phoenix [TS]

01:39:47   that that character time to talk about [TS]

01:39:50   sex with [TS]

01:39:50   and then her reaction is wait a minute [TS]

01:39:52   you can have the government will give [TS]

01:39:54   you anything you wanted all you want is [TS]

01:39:56   my phone number [TS]

01:39:57   suspiciously yes 4158 1221 to eat [TS]

01:40:01   anybody ever call that i'm sure a lot of [TS]

01:40:04   people called it it was a real number [TS]

01:40:06   but I never called it [TS]

01:40:08   no I'm sure I just told you to [TS]

01:40:10   advertisement yes he's been saying hello [TS]

01:40:12   sad person remember to drink your [TS]

01:40:15   ovaltine welcome to movie line and you [TS]

01:40:18   you say that the the movie just ends [TS]

01:40:20   right there but no week at the we get [TS]

01:40:21   the melancholy harmonica [TS]

01:40:24   yeah let's think about what we learned [TS]

01:40:27   that's right you should think about what [TS]

01:40:29   you learned and slow pullout right let's [TS]

01:40:31   local back but like I i think that the [TS]

01:40:34   gold standard of the of the scene that [TS]

01:40:35   was not in this movie would be you know [TS]

01:40:37   the the Ark of the Covenant is in the [TS]

01:40:39   crate being driven slowly into the matte [TS]

01:40:41   painting [TS]

01:40:42   yeah because that's that it has the same [TS]

01:40:44   effect is the sad harmonica music but it [TS]

01:40:46   is separate scene because that's what [TS]

01:40:48   they want you to know is like you know [TS]

01:40:49   yeah evil still exists in the form of [TS]

01:40:52   the giant faceless government and [TS]

01:40:54   incompetent still exist in India will [TS]

01:40:56   need to continue to fight the good fight [TS]

01:40:57   and you know so-and-so brother the world [TS]

01:40:59   didn't end today what about tomorrow [TS]

01:41:02   people eat our lesson well let us not [TS]

01:41:06   have died in vain the monsters were [TS]

01:41:08   already on Maple Street I like the I [TS]

01:41:11   like that kind of melancholy tone that [TS]

01:41:13   because i feel that way on the you get [TS]

01:41:15   that win when they're on the island and [TS]

01:41:17   you see the pterodactyl it's the same [TS]

01:41:18   thing it's like this weird tonal shift [TS]

01:41:20   but I kind of like it because it's kind [TS]

01:41:21   of like where are we now and we're kind [TS]

01:41:22   of it's kind of sad and it is like we're [TS]

01:41:25   back at the end of the world kinda like [TS]

01:41:29   that and it but it is strange that the [TS]

01:41:30   end of stuff like to do we win yay [TS]

01:41:33   everybody go out of a movie being really [TS]

01:41:36   happy we didn't blow up the world [TS]

01:41:37   instead it's like think about it with [TS]

01:41:39   this sad harmonica like this is the kind [TS]

01:41:43   of like a peacenik eighties movie and I [TS]

01:41:46   don't know that if they make your movies [TS]

01:41:48   like these days but every time I try to [TS]

01:41:49   think of a movie involving war military [TS]

01:41:51   it's just always so like especially [TS]

01:41:55   movie that has a happy ending and a hero [TS]

01:41:57   who overcomes odds is always so sort of [TS]

01:41:59   aggressive and militaristic and [TS]

01:42:01   jingoistic where it's like even like [TS]

01:42:04   Independence Day which is kind of like a [TS]

01:42:05   humanity we defeat the aliens like [TS]

01:42:07   everything's got to be the military is [TS]

01:42:09   awesome and we win by killing the other [TS]

01:42:11   guys and killing other guys is good and [TS]

01:42:13   when we are victory would go home and [TS]

01:42:15   have a beer and a BBQ and like that is [TS]

01:42:17   not the tone of this much like these [TS]

01:42:18   movies are always there we could all get [TS]

01:42:20   beat up by today's square-jawed jarhead [TS]

01:42:24   militaristic even the movies they're [TS]

01:42:25   supposed to be about like the futility [TS]

01:42:27   of war like a movie that I haven't seen [TS]

01:42:29   that will greatly comment on my grand [TS]

01:42:30   tradition that movie a lone survivor [TS]

01:42:32   which is supposed to be you know a tale [TS]

01:42:34   of companionship and heroism and [TS]

01:42:36   everything like that but you know the [TS]

01:42:38   the sort of underlying messages you know [TS]

01:42:41   why were they there and it's isn't a [TS]

01:42:43   terrible that were over in Afghanistan [TS]

01:42:45   or wherever they were like this these [TS]

01:42:49   movies were unabashedly like war is bad [TS]

01:42:52   we are Hollywood we're telling you that [TS]

01:42:55   you when they launched missiles as we [TS]

01:42:57   should not launch them back that the [TS]

01:42:59   whole thing is pointless [TS]

01:43:00   you know it's a vibe that I don't have [TS]

01:43:03   don't see a movie if you put a movie out [TS]

01:43:05   today I think people would be like they [TS]

01:43:08   were declared anti-american and yet it's [TS]

01:43:10   funny because in hindsight I in [TS]

01:43:14   hindsight this movie's premises obvious [TS]

01:43:16   right i mean everybody agrees even [TS]

01:43:18   Ronald Reagan said mutually assured [TS]

01:43:21   destruction is a terrible thing and this [TS]

01:43:23   is why we need to reduce the number of [TS]

01:43:26   nuclear weapons and make it i mean right [TS]

01:43:28   i mean it this this is because there was [TS]

01:43:31   a superpower on the other side now [TS]

01:43:32   there's no superpowers like oh well once [TS]

01:43:34   once nuclear annihilation of the table [TS]

01:43:36   yeah kill all the people we don't like [TS]

01:43:38   mm no well with it but this what I'm [TS]

01:43:40   saying is is that this this movie's [TS]

01:43:42   premise that was political is it is [TS]

01:43:46   which I mean how politically come here [TS]

01:43:48   let's not blow up the planet but still [TS]

01:43:50   was political now is like well yeah I [TS]

01:43:54   mean it's validated it's like yeah that [TS]

01:43:56   was a bad idea but back then i get even [TS]

01:43:58   though we said like everyone agreed we [TS]

01:43:59   didn't agree enough to elect Democrats [TS]

01:44:01   too much like we still wanted the crazy [TS]

01:44:03   cowboy to be in charge because because [TS]

01:44:05   fear was enough of a factor it's like we [TS]

01:44:07   all kind of agree that you know nuclear [TS]

01:44:09   Armageddon is bad but let's keep [TS]

01:44:11   collecting the crazy guy seems most [TS]

01:44:12   likely to push the big red button [TS]

01:44:13   because that makes us the people who are [TS]

01:44:14   scared feel safer [TS]

01:44:16   yeah well there's one [TS]

01:44:17   thing is it was it wasn't it was a [TS]

01:44:19   political statement back then it's just [TS]

01:44:20   now we look at it and we say we say yep [TS]

01:44:23   that was really stupid [TS]

01:44:25   let's not all blow each other up but you [TS]

01:44:28   know but that is this is in the grand [TS]

01:44:29   tradition of of Hollywood movies making [TS]

01:44:33   you know that mean as a kid who grew up [TS]

01:44:35   in Star Trek it's like that right it's [TS]

01:44:36   like the star trek episode where it's [TS]

01:44:38   like Star Trek is super was where was [TS]

01:44:41   like the black half black half white guy [TS]

01:44:43   the half white half black guy why can't [TS]

01:44:45   they just get along don't understand [TS]

01:44:47   that those colors in the same just [TS]

01:44:48   reversed right i mean it's in that [TS]

01:44:50   tradition of the you know liberal [TS]

01:44:52   Hollywood movie saying you know we all [TS]

01:44:54   need to get along and peace and love and [TS]

01:44:56   stop nuclear weapons and all that and [TS]

01:44:58   yeah it seems obvious and yet it was [TS]

01:45:00   also kind of controversial so this movie [TS]

01:45:02   has the wherewithal to ignoring the [TS]

01:45:06   women that attends the designers thing [TS]

01:45:07   to make like there's no there's no [TS]

01:45:09   cartoonish militaristic character in the [TS]

01:45:12   movie and it seems like we can't have a [TS]

01:45:14   movie anywhere right it whether even if [TS]

01:45:16   they're the bad guy yes everyone is a [TS]

01:45:18   human i guess there may be with you made [TS]

01:45:20   this point everyone doesn't want the war [TS]

01:45:21   to happen [TS]

01:45:22   he's it like there is no that obviously [TS]

01:45:25   is no God even bury Corbin really mean [TS]

01:45:27   he's like the guy he's he's like Leo [TS]

01:45:29   call the silos stand the missiles down [TS]

01:45:34   yeah he doesn't want to he doesn't want [TS]

01:45:35   to in the world either right yeah and [TS]

01:45:37   and so there is no there is no [TS]

01:45:39   cartoonish there is no proxy for there's [TS]

01:45:42   no proxy for our fear that the military [TS]

01:45:44   will run amok and destroy the world [TS]

01:45:46   because there are you know going to ride [TS]

01:45:47   a bomb down like a cowboy you know I [TS]

01:45:49   mean like there's there's none of that [TS]

01:45:51   doesn't know what everyone in the movie [TS]

01:45:52   it's not cynical at all [TS]

01:45:54   yeah and every every person in the there [TS]

01:45:57   no idiots in this movie that everybody [TS]

01:45:58   is reacting to the events but guy with a [TS]

01:46:01   white gloves so maybe but ok but that's [TS]

01:46:03   it was white gloves you got either that [TS]

01:46:05   guy's got a skin condition or he's got [TS]

01:46:06   he's got a problem and it's everybody [TS]

01:46:09   was reacting exactly the way they should [TS]

01:46:11   be reacting given the information that [TS]

01:46:13   they have at the time that they're [TS]

01:46:14   acting and so at the time when they all [TS]

01:46:17   need to basically get together because [TS]

01:46:19   they were all recognized the severity of [TS]

01:46:21   the problem that's exactly what they do [TS]

01:46:23   and I'm not sure that the that this [TS]

01:46:27   movie were made today it would be that [TS]

01:46:30   front if anything for this kind of a [TS]

01:46:33   movie you can always make a bad movie [TS]

01:46:35   about any issue but i do think that that [TS]

01:46:37   was the the court thing that made war [TS]

01:46:39   games a good movie was the realization [TS]

01:46:40   that sometimes the enemy is not us [TS]

01:46:44   versus them sometimes it really is that [TS]

01:46:46   here is the evolution of a disaster and [TS]

01:46:48   people trying to evade it and also i [TS]

01:46:50   also would say be fair me 1982 1983 if [TS]

01:46:55   you're gonna make a movie about nuclear [TS]

01:46:56   war [TS]

01:46:57   you probably don't have the effects [TS]

01:46:59   budget to actually have the war happen [TS]

01:47:00   you have to do it that they have urgent [TS]

01:47:02   missiles being long you can blow up some [TS]

01:47:04   models yeah they all they all make all [TS]

01:47:06   of all they could afford was a couple of [TS]

01:47:08   like a couple of like fire extinguishers [TS]

01:47:10   like in the opening sequence they just [TS]

01:47:12   sort of fire off these fire [TS]

01:47:13   extinguishers of the bottom of the two [TS]

01:47:14   to make it look like these rocket [TS]

01:47:16   engines were about to fire up or getting [TS]

01:47:18   ready to launch [TS]

01:47:19   yeah they got they got a lot of mileage [TS]

01:47:20   out of that one rocket model they kept [TS]

01:47:22   showing but you know like well they put [TS]

01:47:24   all they put all the money into the [TS]

01:47:25   giant war room and I think it was money [TS]

01:47:26   well spent like if you tried to make the [TS]

01:47:28   movie where it's a war you end up with [TS]

01:47:29   Red Dawn which i think is another good [TS]

01:47:30   example of a movie with the similar [TS]

01:47:32   message and it's like well we can [TS]

01:47:34   actually do nuclear war and that [TS]

01:47:35   actually the interesting but we can get [TS]

01:47:36   people with guns and horses and so let's [TS]

01:47:38   go with that by the way according to an [TS]

01:47:42   old wired magazine story the one of the [TS]

01:47:46   co-writer so this movie was a family [TS]

01:47:48   friend from reagan and they run and they [TS]

01:47:50   screened at the weekend it opened for [TS]

01:47:52   Ronald Reagan crazy had no idea [TS]

01:47:56   yeah that it because the modern [TS]

01:47:58   equivalent i think is the tent for this [TS]

01:48:01   type of movie is they want the the thing [TS]

01:48:04   that is a threat to seem to be outside [TS]

01:48:06   of us and the only way they're give [TS]

01:48:08   responsibility to humans is if it's like [TS]

01:48:10   a science gone awry they were [TS]

01:48:12   experimenting with biological warfare [TS]

01:48:14   and this thing that also zombie movies [TS]

01:48:16   plague movies those type of things it's [TS]

01:48:19   not like we are choosing to go to war [TS]

01:48:20   it's like there is an existential threat [TS]

01:48:21   to humanity that came to be and it's [TS]

01:48:24   like nobody's fault how do we deal with [TS]

01:48:26   war z or you know outbreak 28 days later [TS]

01:48:29   whatever like where it's not there is a [TS]

01:48:32   political decision that made us get into [TS]

01:48:34   the scenarios like well we're in this [TS]

01:48:35   scenario we'll do what we can to get out [TS]

01:48:37   of that I think that's as close as they [TS]

01:48:38   come again you know pics the absence of [TS]

01:48:39   the Soviet Union and [TS]

01:48:41   you know us being the big superpower we [TS]

01:48:42   have to find something else to be a [TS]

01:48:44   threat to our existence [TS]

01:48:45   besides like I guess Bitcoin well any a [TS]

01:48:50   political yea the a political nature of [TS]

01:48:51   this of the story is nobody really [TS]

01:48:53   wanted the world to end right and and so [TS]

01:48:55   by having the soldiers not be villains [TS]

01:48:57   and having it be that the berry Corbin [TS]

01:49:00   doesn't you know is relieved well except [TS]

01:49:02   for that one heading out secretaries [TS]

01:49:04   villain except that guy a white glove [TS]

01:49:05   guy that guy's bad taking it on the chin [TS]

01:49:07   white glove guy with the beret [TS]

01:49:09   oh you gotta be feeling the burn right [TS]

01:49:11   now sir if you're still with us yeah if [TS]

01:49:14   you still have yeah anyway I mean it is [TS]

01:49:17   that I think that is interesting guess [TS]

01:49:19   the computers of the real enemy here [TS]

01:49:20   folks that's the best [TS]

01:49:23   well well well look we we all work with [TS]

01:49:25   computers long enough to know that yes [TS]

01:49:27   the computer is usually any given [TS]

01:49:29   workday the real enemy will bring it [TS]

01:49:31   back around to the beginning isn't the [TS]

01:49:32   inhumanity of the computer that the [TS]

01:49:34   enemy removing the human beings from the [TS]

01:49:36   firing scenario and what saves it is [TS]

01:49:38   Joshua maybe not making moral decision [TS]

01:49:41   but making a human one [TS]

01:49:44   well I think clearly one of the lessons [TS]

01:49:47   here is that that removing people from [TS]

01:49:51   the process is is dangerous that's [TS]

01:49:54   definitely one of the messages here is [TS]

01:49:56   that people people need to be involved [TS]

01:49:57   to not blindly follow orders i mean [TS]

01:50:00   that's that's what saves the world is [TS]

01:50:02   not wrote execution of commands even the [TS]

01:50:06   general does not follow orders and says [TS]

01:50:09   I gotta get some confirmation here right [TS]

01:50:11   he doesn't just push the buttons belief [TS]

01:50:13   elite she smokes inside he's got the [TS]

01:50:14   human element plus yeah well at that [TS]

01:50:16   point sure that that certain that [TS]

01:50:18   certainly shows like the Howard our [TS]

01:50:21   processes put together when you look [TS]

01:50:23   back at it and everything those to [TS]

01:50:24   control operators had to do with the [TS]

01:50:26   start in order to get to the point where [TS]

01:50:28   they had it where they could turn their [TS]

01:50:30   keys the entire process is set up to [TS]

01:50:32   make it more difficult to make it to [TS]

01:50:35   Tobias the system towards not launching [TS]

01:50:37   as opposed to launching where hears [TS]

01:50:39   every point what if these are not done [TS]

01:50:41   in the right order and exactly correctly [TS]

01:50:42   missile does not launch that part of the [TS]

01:50:45   country gets annihilated a nuclear war [TS]

01:50:46   within the real world recently didn't [TS]

01:50:48   they visit for the power they said if [TS]

01:50:50   you cut power in our at all this [TS]

01:50:52   launch that was a bad system bet that's [TS]

01:50:53   not fail safe whether they locked out [TS]

01:50:56   everything but they got the ok think [TS]

01:50:58   that I think that UPS has come on get a [TS]

01:50:59   probably starting to officemax you know [TS]

01:51:02   get one of them $60 the whole idea was [TS]

01:51:04   that they would interpret it as the as [TS]

01:51:05   the Athanor I'd being hit and they would [TS]

01:51:07   carry out their last orders now locked [TS]

01:51:09   in with the incredibly ill-advised [TS]

01:51:10   lockout changes button [TS]

01:51:12   yeah that is that is bad that is bad [TS]

01:51:14   didnt in the real world they recently [TS]

01:51:16   released that some you know thirty forty [TS]

01:51:19   percent of codes over the missile [TS]

01:51:22   buttons were sent to all zeros [TS]

01:51:25   yeah they're all zeros and that was a [TS]

01:51:26   policy decision that was that was where [TS]

01:51:28   they thought it might be too hard to [TS]

01:51:30   launch them so they need to make it [TS]

01:51:31   easier so that they had that those code [TS]

01:51:33   set into all they should just put the [TS]

01:51:34   computers in charge [TS]

01:51:36   yeah well the good the good news is that [TS]

01:51:38   if they got locked down in NORAD they [TS]

01:51:40   could just dig up that Stargate that [TS]

01:51:41   they got down there and said that one up [TS]

01:51:43   and they don't lean on it too much in [TS]

01:51:46   this movie but a lot of idealism if [TS]

01:51:48   that's the word fear of technology that [TS]

01:51:50   is evergreen and they'd to their credit [TS]

01:51:53   or not make that a big theme of this [TS]

01:51:55   movie and dwell on it but so many movies [TS]

01:51:57   before and after are just obsessed with [TS]

01:51:59   the idea that you gotta have a human in [TS]

01:52:01   there and humans are always the best and [TS]

01:52:03   computers are inexplicably evil and it's [TS]

01:52:05   like unless you're gonna have a computer [TS]

01:52:07   that actually has an aif that is scary [TS]

01:52:09   needle but it's just the machine it's [TS]

01:52:11   you know it's just the two lands and [TS]

01:52:12   demonization let's all just take our are [TS]

01:52:14   what he called the are weaving spindles [TS]

01:52:17   and throw into fire in the middle of [TS]

01:52:18   town square and light them up because [TS]

01:52:20   you don't like the double machines [TS]

01:52:22   yeah they knit they did for us that is [TS]

01:52:26   demonic [TS]

01:52:28   if I'd known I would have become a [TS]

01:52:29   watchmaker due to do we have any any [TS]

01:52:33   other thoughts about what about what you [TS]

01:52:35   mean you know about war games before we [TS]

01:52:37   go good flick all just just that the [TS]

01:52:40   only the the only the only major [TS]

01:52:42   unanswered question that i still have is [TS]

01:52:44   man Matthew Broderick could afford a [TS]

01:52:47   bitch and computer setup as parents must [TS]

01:52:51   have a lot of money yeah that's like [TS]

01:52:52   that he was had first viewer money or [TS]

01:52:54   heat your he understood that Oh credit [TS]

01:52:56   card transaction computers are not [TS]

01:52:58   necessary they probably should be [TS]

01:53:00   although that may be although I guess [TS]

01:53:02   again we got to get into a nostalgia [TS]

01:53:04   trip you it's it's possible learned as a [TS]

01:53:07   teenager that if you write a letter to a [TS]

01:53:10   computer company and the in the guise of [TS]

01:53:12   an actual teenager being I'll be damned [TS]

01:53:14   actually honest thing hi I'm 13 years [TS]

01:53:17   old i have i have an interest in your [TS]

01:53:18   product i can't possibly afford one key [TS]

01:53:20   possibly just send me one [TS]

01:53:22   sometimes that actually worked i had i [TS]

01:53:24   had a couple of really good motives [TS]

01:53:26   because I simply wrote a very fanciful [TS]

01:53:28   written letter that was factually [TS]

01:53:29   correct so perhaps he just like wrote a [TS]

01:53:31   letter to ms I saying I have this idea [TS]

01:53:33   that if I just write some machine code [TS]

01:53:36   that simply dials numbers in sequence i [TS]

01:53:38   could make it to all kinds of mischief [TS]

01:53:39   I would love for you to enable this [TS]

01:53:41   behavior by setting me free [TS]

01:53:42   ten-thousand-dollar computer [TS]

01:53:44   yeah LOL SMS i didn't pay for product [TS]

01:53:47   placement because i have a big sticker [TS]

01:53:48   over it true that the bumper sticker [TS]

01:53:51   whatever that I think it's covering up [TS]

01:53:52   the word inside over and over the model [TS]

01:53:54   number on his computer shame I i enjoyed [TS]

01:53:59   watching this movie and I i enjoyed it [TS]

01:54:00   yeah it as a we picked apart but it's [TS]

01:54:03   it's a fun it's a fun movie to watch you [TS]

01:54:05   enjoy it and there's no embarrassing [TS]

01:54:07   parts that like I mean there are parts [TS]

01:54:09   that age but there's no part of your [TS]

01:54:10   like oh I can't believe I've ever like [TS]

01:54:11   this are all that so terrible it is it [TS]

01:54:14   holds up as well as you can imagine any [TS]

01:54:16   movie from that era are holding up in [TS]

01:54:17   terms of still exciting the pacing is [TS]

01:54:19   still good the dialogue there is no [TS]

01:54:21   incredibly embarrassing dialogue some of [TS]

01:54:23   it is witty some of it is interesting [TS]

01:54:24   there hidden meanings that you might not [TS]

01:54:25   have gotten when you're a kid if you [TS]

01:54:26   haven't seen this movie in years i [TS]

01:54:28   recommend giving another watch [TS]

01:54:30   yeah yeah oh yeah i mean both both of [TS]

01:54:33   our kids were just like this is awesome [TS]

01:54:36   and they wanted to watch it again the [TS]

01:54:38   next day and the day after that right [TS]

01:54:40   that's a good sign [TS]

01:54:41   the description of Matthew Broderick you [TS]

01:54:43   know intelligent but underachieving [TS]

01:54:45   bored in school that makes him the [TS]

01:54:46   perfect Soviet recruit that now would [TS]

01:54:50   directly lead him into anonymous or the [TS]

01:54:52   NSA the NSA yeah yeah make a choice or [TS]

01:54:58   do both [TS]

01:55:01   king will be ok yeah all right I think [TS]

01:55:08   we are we have reached the end we have [TS]

01:55:10   played our last game of tic-tac-toe to [TS]

01:55:13   what conclusion I want only because i [TS]

01:55:16   wasn't paying attention [TS]

01:55:17   that's it you should you should you [TS]

01:55:19   should listen to that dumpy guy with a [TS]

01:55:20   one-line he had the right strategy begin [TS]

01:55:23   with that we listened know we made fun [TS]

01:55:24   of them yeah x in the center square [TS]

01:55:26   always always go for Paul in back with [TS]

01:55:29   that's thanks in the center square [TS]

01:55:31   that's the that's the story also will [TS]

01:55:33   have that he'll have the sauce eerie [TS]

01:55:34   joinder totie Fields brazier who no [TS]

01:55:41   doubt it's it's the Warsaw double [TS]

01:55:43   aggression [TS]

01:55:45   oh my alright i'd like to thank my [TS]

01:55:49   guests for this lovely conversation [TS]

01:55:50   about a movie from 1983 movie that is [TS]

01:55:53   not yet old enough for old movie club [TS]

01:55:55   but it's is not exactly contemporary [TS]

01:55:57   after all it's only 30 years old [TS]

01:56:01   yeah that's it that's not it it's [TS]

01:56:03   practically you know it's it's probably [TS]

01:56:05   not even probably on DVD yet it's only [TS]

01:56:07   releases that fits in the new release [TS]

01:56:09   shelf at the video store the closed five [TS]

01:56:10   years together it's it's only on the [TS]

01:56:12   verge of having its own children it's [TS]

01:56:14   alright [TS]

01:56:15   yeah it's okay at least it's at least [TS]

01:56:16   eight years away from falling into the [TS]

01:56:17   public domain exactly this time this [TS]

01:56:21   time for all of that so I'd like to [TS]

01:56:22   thank my guests for discussing a great [TS]

01:56:23   NOS thank you for reliving the eighties [TS]

01:56:25   with any time Jason I had a future then [TS]

01:56:28   ya huh [TS]

01:56:31   get out that old modem do some war [TS]

01:56:34   dialing you'll be back in back in [TS]

01:56:36   business before you know it [TS]

01:56:37   that's that I i enjoyed BBS is when I [TS]

01:56:40   could read faster than the characters [TS]

01:56:41   could appear at that it was a key [TS]

01:56:44   yeah you know his modem picks up speed [TS]

01:56:47   at various points in an unrealistic way [TS]

01:56:49   I think we it's slow at reading pace and [TS]

01:56:53   then it's like well now it uses the same [TS]

01:56:54   dramatic config file that Joshua does [TS]

01:56:56   during the pregnant pauses yes that's [TS]

01:56:59   right now is anything wrong [TS]

01:57:01   David lower thanks for being here oh [TS]

01:57:04   thank you for having this was a lot of [TS]

01:57:06   fun and Enoch oh thank you i think USA [TS]

01:57:09   is going to kick ass the 84 olympics [TS]

01:57:11   all the way LA USA [TS]

01:57:15   yeah I'm with you there one that woman [TS]

01:57:17   didn't tell him and John siracusa I i [TS]

01:57:20   think that real genius is funnier than [TS]

01:57:21   this movie but I i still like this movie [TS]

01:57:24   a lot [TS]

01:57:24   what do you think like most pretty fast [TS]

01:57:27   Jason stop and look around once in a [TS]

01:57:29   while you might miss it [TS]

01:57:30   mr. Potato Head [TS]

01:57:34   mr. Potato Head & chick but we don't [TS]

01:57:39   need roads I'm telling you Ferris [TS]

01:57:41   Bueller he's got a computer up there [TS]

01:57:43   he's at all coming together i'm gonna [TS]

01:57:47   i'm gonna become famous by posting one [TS]

01:57:49   of those theorists grand unified [TS]

01:57:50   theories like the pixar theory on this [TS]

01:57:52   is already at dr website there it's all [TS]

01:57:55   gonna be Matthew Broderick Matthew [TS]

01:57:57   Broderick is playing the same part in [TS]

01:57:58   every movie ever [TS]

01:57:59   so that means did you see the Indies and [TS]

01:58:02   his ribs and oh god I i would hate to [TS]

01:58:08   think that that's true [TS]