Roderick on the Line

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00:00:19 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► Jim Dandy [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► uh-huh uh-huh that's sweet [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► it's going to be upbeat episode of saved [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► you're in the universe contingent on us [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► um i am wearing my wall pants today [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► nice and it is nice except you know that [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► first day that you put on the wall pants [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► you really have to get used to this [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► appealing scratchy yeah i just said it's [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► not a planned [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► no these are old and they're just full [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► as all get-out [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► they just took the sheet basically and [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► and editor took the insides out and yeah [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► right make condoms and pants and uhhh [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► yeah it feels good it feels good for [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► winter to be here and for it to be like [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► time to get down to the nitty-gritty I [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► want some different pants today to just [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► to mix it up a little bit you know [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► different different pair of Levi's you [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► mean or well yeah different pair of [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► levis 501 this is the the second [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► brattiest pair that i own and I wear [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► them probably once a quarter because if [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I see somebody from my child's school on [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► the street it leaves an impression [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► OIC already won Miami ding-dong falls [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► out so I can't wear those varieties are [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► you i know you know the wear patterns [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► every man has different wear patterns on [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► his Levi's 501 that are weirdly [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► consistent if you notice this [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► yeah but you have very different very [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► distinctive wear patterns on your pants [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► well I know what you're thinking of go [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► ahead because I'm doing because the [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► phone [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► well the phone but also you carry uh are [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► you at least you used to carry your [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► space pen in your front pocket [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► remember that and the space pen leaves a [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► lead you know over time you have a BF [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► like a a war a worn a Warren space pen [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► shadow in their energy in front [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's mostly from yes you are [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► a hundred percent correct time I wear [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► patterns are that's a classic I I now [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► carry a different kind of pen when I [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► carry a pan so it doesn't leave the same [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► little bit right exactly the shape [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► of the space pen in my right pocket and [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► then of course that starts out just [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► leaving shape then it leaves a white [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► shadow and then of course you get the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► we're so right then it's like it starts [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► to break right you get you [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► ok here's I if there's one thing to take [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► away from this episode today and this [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► you cannot lie to your pants your pants [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► know the truth about you boy that is the [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► truth so many ways today now i have a [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► very very clear outline of an iphone 5s [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► oh I say pocket right yet but you know [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► but it's a.m. and we want to even get [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► into more unsavory ways that your jeans [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► tell the story but they can trip to [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► Germany tobacco back-in-the-day sure [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► yeah and did you ever have a you can [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► read me like a oh gosh yes I mean I [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► think that you could actually probably [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► go to county seat and by a kind of a [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► fake school can you can wash in your [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► laundry just to get the ring for have to [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► have the credit for the school i [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► remember at other I'm not proud of it [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► but it but at a certain point I was very [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► opposed to chewing tobacco when I was in [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► my young teens because a lot of my [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► friends dude in school don't you talk [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► about stuff I'm talking about yeah [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► copenhagen snuff yeah as opposed to the [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► red man like they want to read man no [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► and Anna mean it was there was a pretty [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► at the time pretty clear divide between [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► like guys that should skull who were [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► like pussies ya candy asses [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► yeah and guys that should cope who were [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► like a good normals or redness off [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► regard yeah you know who stuffs and this [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► was before the advent of all the other [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► kinds of of snuff there was no Kodiak at [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► the time now they get eaten get some [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► hot-ass new yeah I've seen that my dish [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► well now I guess there it was called [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► some people actually called it's new you [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► yes I was probably a grassroots think [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► I'm not trying to derail you i type this [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► in Florida this was a thing [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► it was a very real thing well it was [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► very real in in Alaska to and Iraq so I [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► was opposed to chewing and I would and I [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► was I was kind of a like a you know if [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► you can believe this i would Hector my [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► friends [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► and lecture them about what they were [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► doing wrong while you were just crossing [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► over for a young age I can't who wanted [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► to make women be chased man you an idea [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► what he was doing in between your head [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► wisdom that's right and so I was like [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► you guys cheering tobacco's is terrible [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► I you know I disapprove of you sitting [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► in the back glass and spitting to into a [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► cocaine and I had enough I had enough [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► leverage with them not leverage but just [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► like you know that they would they would [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► try and conceal their chewing from me [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► but you can't conceal that from your [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► friend but I I really envied the two can [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► ring in the back pockets of their genes [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► it just had such a nice [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► it just said so much you know i mean it [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► said upset a lot about a guy had [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► signification and so I started carrying [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► a toucan as a little wallet as a little [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► like Dimebag yeah i would get a life [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► hack [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► yeah i would put shit in an old shoe can [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► that my friend kevin gave me that I [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► washed it out and then I would you know [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► I'd fold up my money and and notes or [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► whatever and I mean you couldn't you [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► couldn't use it as a wallet because he [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► couldn't put an idea in it but I you [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► know I I did for a while I carried it [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► around as a little pouch and then I just [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► started chewing tobacco and and the rest [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► was history [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► I get down you know we talked before [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► about the other kind of wallet that i [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► carry because people care it's one of [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► those little taxi taxi driver wallets [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► which is not a super thin wallet but it [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► really works for me it folds in half [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► like a billfold it's got a little class [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► breaking point of cars inside very very [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► clear outline including down to we can [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► see the snap where the snap is iike area [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► taxi well to that I originally there [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► like that that use this one your I gave [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► your mom your mom do [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► yeah so you gave it to mom she gave it [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► to me I wore it [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► no I did that I don't know either she [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► was like I don't know why miss Merlin [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► gave me a man's wallet but would you [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► yeah true and i warn't until it was [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► until so that it would it came apart and [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► then I was at the thrift store and I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► found a completely unused one [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► Wow an identical one to the 1i had I was [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► I was you know I was fixing it with tape [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► by that point and i found what i was [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► just like mom and I actually had to [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► fight a Chinese lady for it [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► oh man she was like she kind of was [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► standing there at the same time and I [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► picked it up and I was like check it out [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► and she was like I was just about to [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► pick that up I was like really you're [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► about to pick it up and frog had wings [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► you wouldn't doubt that'll happen and [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that's a I don't know about that about [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► to pick it up and we SAT and talked [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► about it for a while I don't interested [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► and legally for that John she was like I [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► want you to have it was like are you [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► sure [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► um here's what I want to get to and and [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► so there's all the stuff that goes on in [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► the in the belt area that we're not [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► going to get into but I this is the [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► thing is so strange to me is the wear [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► patterns any season shoes I think you [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► see this in pants I guess if you weren't [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► long enough you see this in a jacket but [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► two very distinct asymmetrical wear [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► patterns so I mean I guess maybe it's [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► kind of obvious you have this with shoes [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► because we all like whatever pronator [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► we've got some kind of imbalance I'm [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► sure chiropractor could give you some [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► kind of massage for this but you know [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► youryour to shoot you go grab go grab [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► four five pairs of shoes you have for [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► that you only have had for a few years [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► flip over and it's remarkable that the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► wear patterns on the bottom now for me [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that's the knees on the jeans that i [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► cannot i don't know why I thought about [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► it maybe I figured out but it's so [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► strange to me that genes that I've had [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► for three four five more years [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► ah one knee always starts to wear before [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► the other and the other knee then [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► consequently blows out for the other and [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► gets bigger hole I'll be right for you [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► you don't talking about I do and there's [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► this on cuffs you'll notice this on [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► elbows it's really interesting and [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► sherlock holmes probably well obviously [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► you're a Scrivener yeah rights right [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► remember genuflecting I don't genuflect [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► I don't know you're a mincer you mince [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► around you know it well maybe not you [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► but a certain certain type of person [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► mrs. around I do like that [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► minutes i think i doing a very masculine [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► way yeah it's a masculine mincing but it [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► still wear your jeans differently [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► yeah I sometimes will as I'm walking [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► around i wasn't i was in a mall the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► other day which is not that's not what I [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► want to be but as I had to go from one [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► into the most of the others a long trip [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► across the mall and I'm so as I was [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► walking I was consciously trying to [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► change my gate [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► I was like you didn't spy thing well I [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► was point you know I I think I I walk a [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► little splayed and I was I don't know it [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► if you ever try this but without looking [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► at your feet [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► particularly if you walks played without [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► looking your feet you point your toes in [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► and imagine that you are walking sort of [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► pigeon-toed and then you look down at [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► your feet and yours and you did [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► they're not even pointing straight right [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► i mean it's so unfamiliar to walk with [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► your feet pointing straight and it [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► changes everything [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► the everything up and down like you your [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► hips feel different your whole body [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► feels different and when I was walking [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► across Europe but i would do that for [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► days at a time just be very conscious of [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► like I'm just pointing my toes in the [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► direction that I'm traveling and and I [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► still do it sometimes as a way of you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► know a similar type of thing you look at [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the bottoms of your shoes and you're [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► like wow like I'm wearing these shoes [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► and such a weird fashion just gonna [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► start can I be doing it feels like I'm [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► taking a step in another step and [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► everything is equal in normal i'm not [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► you know averaging out every so many [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► years you wouldn't say I'm taking this [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► many more right turns and left turns [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► frames really strange and yet you know [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► there you are because we are all just [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► flopping around like nowhere as a [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► metrical I don't want to begin to death [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► it's the lack of symmetry it's it's own [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► is speaking of malls and essentially [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► something in the in the robot can see [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► that and you let me see let me see one [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► here especially i'm curious to get your [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► thoughts on this as somebody who follows [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► people be the trends in technology [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► naps and tell her that you're going [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► afternoons [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► yeah let's see i see so app trends here [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► not let go it is that should be a blue [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► thing and they do ya think it's okay and [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► it's a link to come from grippy yep so [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► my daughter and I would see a movie the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► other day I went to the big mall [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► downtown and you know it's a it's [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► actually it's a kind of a fancy it's the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► fancy mall downtown like it's a dynamic [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► new destination so fancy [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► hang on hang on saving go ahead and read [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► it but save it [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► mmm yeah so you get so fancy that you [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► can get off the subway at palace street [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► and actually walk in 2000 you don't even [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► have to go outside westfield center and [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► and so we gots one of my favorite place [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► to see movies they've got good seats [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► they got great food is a great food [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► court and it's a great daddy daughter [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► day place to count and one of our stops [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► has always been this thing that of [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► course used to be a barnes and noble [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► then after it wasn't a barnes and noble [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► like all places it became a remainder [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► bookstore right that's that's the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► Destiny the destiny every barnes and [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► noble will ironically enough become a [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► remainder bookstore then they started [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► adding toys to it so is this great place [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► where you can go and you like to dollar [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► books puzzles doctor who figures it was [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► really a fun place to go [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► well I'm story short we show how many [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► more new guess what [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► something new is moving in it used to be [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► a barnes and noble then it was a no-name [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► remainder book and toy store now John [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► something new and there's a new thought [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► technology at westfield center [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► ah i think a photo of this it's one of [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► those things you see in front of the [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► window where something is going to be [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► built something you'd be interested in [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► talking about it so you know where your [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► block off the block off the store as its [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► as it's being developed but instead of [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► just saying like coming soon and coming [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► soon [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► casual corner right it's now it's a it's [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► sort of a branding opportunity another [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► yeah a newer branding opportunity so [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► this goes across a whole bunch of [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► storefront in front of you you know how [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► big a Barnes & Noble is right yeah and [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► so i guess and they've chosen a kind of [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► gun gun metal gray battleship gray was [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► very which is it indicates like [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► sleekness and also forward forward pneus [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► that was the color of my outie 5000 [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► coming on so envious yeah and all and [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► what it says I'd like if you don't mind [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► I'd like you're reading of the paragraph [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► but what it says is bespoke and in a [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► very fancy looking sans-serif fonts [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► bespoke with for some reason an [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► underlying under the B&B spoke and then [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► in italics there's a paragraph [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► describing what bespoke is or will be [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► would you mind sharing that with our [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► listeners I i was wondering about why [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► the underlying just one letter of [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► bespoke and then and I feel like without [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► the underline it's possible that you [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► might look at that and say the spokie [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► beast okay yeah right [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► spokeo gorgeous bouquet I mean it's the [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► best ok would have a little sante grab [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► whatever the SRX on Teague over the e [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► but but without with no at with no [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► underlining your accent you could look [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► at and say spoki right that's what if [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► you were an okie from Muskogee would say [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► the spokie was naturally ok and and but [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► with the but the underlying under the B [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► it makes you say be be you right you [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► look at you can't be [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► yeah and then what are you gonna do and [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► usually if you're if you're if you're [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► watching war games where you're watching [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► some kind of eighties nineties computer [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► thriller you would send think that [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► that's a prompt sometimes i use the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► blinking underline indicate a problem [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► why do you have a prompt under the first [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► letter unless you are about to edit it [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► right you were about to delete it right [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► change it to peace pokey yeah but then [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► underneath now what what font is that [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► the underneath written it's sort of an [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► italic that looks kind of like it's a [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► fancy Georgia yeah okay and it says [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► nestled within the retail epicenter of [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► San Francisco sits a dynamic new [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► destination colon a community where [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► digital innovators collide with the [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► world's greatest brands Ivan and dash M [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► dash for work and foreplay bomb and then [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► under that there's a graphic and it's a [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► sort of a flowchart right or what how [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► would you describe [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► it's three icons inside of circles on a [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► horizontal axis and the three icon three [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► circles are connected for no apparent [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► reason by a line right so co-working and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► that's a what it's like he's on a pc [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► with a mouse [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► no I think that's a I think that that's [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► a mac classic an apple mac classic color [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► classic or maybe a lisa it could be i [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► think its a Mac Alicia John in addition [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► to co-working either any other kinds of [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► things to do a bespoke soco working and [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► then then align over to just a [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► microphone an unplugged microphone about [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► it with but we can alert so it's a mic [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► that it's like one of those mics you get [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► from radioshack that comes with a [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► hardwired cord like Bob Pollin Mike yeah [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► and it's and it says events events [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► events and then another line over to [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► some kind of a game controller that [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► plays place [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► yeah see I don't even play games and I [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► can just tell from looking in that it's [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► a it's a game with some kind its cord [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► that connects to something that I don't [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► think you would have had on most gaming [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► systems in even the last three to five [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► it looks like an looks like some kind of [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► Epsom printer but John yeah sure and [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► whatever what is that indicates on tech [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► demo is Emma so you got a co-working [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► offense and tech demos co-working events [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► and tech demos at bespoke absolutely [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► the URL is at bespoke underscore SF that [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► was a freebie for them [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► yeah I'm sorry shit we should we should [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► retro actively charge [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► no I want people to go and look at this [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► and scoff at it [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► yeah I want I want them to I want them [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► to say like why we're getting a lot of [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► traffic today [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► yeah that's where our numbers are really [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► going up and it's just people around the [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► world scoffing at them [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► well don't think I didn't go um nothing [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► about how i went and check out the tooth [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► from bespoke SF um and I think it's [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► pretty it's pretty inscrutable logitech [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► most I don't know CA were shooting fish [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► in a barrel but you know it's it's kind [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► of hilarious that it used to be a barnes [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► and noble thought about you like you [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► know back in the lets say by the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► mid-nineties how about this when we got [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► a barnes and noble at the tallahassee [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► mall in circa [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► nineteen ninety two or three whatever it [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► was the barnes and noble is expanding [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► really quickly [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► that was the first starbucks i ever went [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► to was a starbucks inside of a barnes [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► and noble I mean that's how classy [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► barnes and noble was Barnes & Noble [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► alongside I guess borders the juggernaut [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► you know what has been going on for a [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► while but this was probably like 50,000 [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► square feet of store and occasionally [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► huge you don't remember that they did [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► they were driving out all the elbow the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► little children's book stores on the [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► upper west side [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► I think sometimes they took over [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► something like maybe it was like an old [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► grocery store like that be like a pantry [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► pride type situation when the moment [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► refurbished you get a point and noble [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► you can't go in there you can buy you [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► can buy all kinds of value by playing [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► cards you can get coffee you can get a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► Danish they have a giant periodical [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► section of barnes and noble down our [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► tanforan mall two stories including a [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► giant toy section right and children's [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► books and records they were someone to [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► stand right there is not a single [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► big-box bookstore in downtown San [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► Francisco other thing is i would use to [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► go into those places and I would I I [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► didn't know what I didn't know that they [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► weren't for me right they were not they [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► were not built for me I would walk [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► around and I would end up I will go [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► upstairs i would go downstairs I would [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► walk around walk around and eventually I [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► would buy a paperback copy of Plato's [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► Republic just to give myself something [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► to do and then I would you know give [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that to a homeless guy because i feel [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► that that is that that plate it starts [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► the path to recovery starts with Plato [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► and mashed potatoes but first I want to [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► talk about a cave [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► are you listening and their attention to [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► get out until I would go away and I [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► wouldn't go back or you know everyone [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► for everyone so why would buy one of [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► those artists models the little wood [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► articulated men puts it on the tables a [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► present for creative people who are [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► being creative [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► that's it on the end tables in the homes [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► of interesting people i would buy one of [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► those and then give it as a gift that's [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► what I mean even I see I've always loved [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► just spending two hours in a store like [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► that but what I will say no matter who [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► you are it's great for Christmas gifts [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► because it is really sure if you don't [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► care that much [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► who you're buying for especially you can [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► find something for anybody there [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► listen the other day I i was on a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► website called Instagram a web site okay [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and I don't know if you are familiar [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► with jet Jessica cowan lady who works [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► for Squarespace our once and future [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► sponsor who and she sent me and a [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► message on Squarespace is our on [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► Instagram for Instagram website saying [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► there's a guy who is taking tintype [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► photographs in your town today he's at [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► itinerant tintype ER traveling the world [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► with his giant camera doing real tintype [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► photos and he and he's looking for [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► local talent he's looking for talent [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► people to look old timey and so I went I [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► so i contacted this guy was like I [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► wanted type photograph and he was like [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► come on down to seattle pioneer square [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► and I got down there I expected him to [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► be wearing a a bowler hat and a mustache [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► but he was not he was wearing either and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► he was taking tintype photograph with [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► this camera that he kind of built [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► himself and he was using eat he was [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► using an alcove in a space that as I [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► looked around turned out to be one of [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► these co-working spaces right yeah have [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► you ever been to one of these let's say [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► about co-working yeah it's a it's a [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► co-working space it's like a floor of a [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► building and people are they're doing [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► stuff on laptops [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► yeah and so and there's a woman there [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► who represents the co-working place and [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► she started and I was like tell me about [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► your co-working space and she started [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► giving me this meal and this co-working [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► space had something there was some angle [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► right where it was like where they were [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► certainly telling me but I think also [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► telling themselves that it was [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► some aspect of their co-working space [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► was in the public good [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► there was a public-interest angle where [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► they were nonprofits or when i see they [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► were they were trying to trying to make [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the world a better place all doing their [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► part there yet right but I I toward the [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► space and it was full of people i mean [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► every seat was taken and they were all [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► people on their laptops and I looked at [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► their laptops and they all appear to be [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► using windows 95 and they were all I [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► don't know didn't say I didn't see any [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► public interest work it's all just [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► seemed like people trying to polish [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► their resumes or I'm not sure what kind [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► of work was going on in there but i was [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► astonished that in the middle of the [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► afternoon that people would choose to [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► pay to be in this environment and I came [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► out of that I came out of that [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► experience both with a tintype [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► photograph of myself and also a new [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► curiosity about this co-working movement [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► that was my first exposure to it [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► oh really but well I don't have I don't [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► have I mean I don't work [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► it's interact with people who work yeah [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► it was just in the in the kind of I [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► guess I want to see in the tech world [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► it's something that's really taken off [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► over the years where you know for for [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► obvious economic reasons I mean let's [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► look at what is it really [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► it's like having an office combined with [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► having roommates like you don't really [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► need to go lease your own floor of an [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► office you don't have to go through a [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► leak and all that stuff [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► all you really need is a desk somewhere [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► there's a bunch of places but wouldn't [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► you just go to a cafe I guess is my [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► question and I think that's a very good [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► question and that's that's why to jump [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► to the cut to the chase to me that's not [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► how I would ever work i would not get [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► any work done in a place like that i [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► mean you know to me having an office is [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► good and bad because I place to put on [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► my shit like that i like having all my [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► shit that's good but even if you just [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► bring a laptop I cannot imagine a more [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► purpose built environment [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► for distraction and unnecessary noise [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► and movement just in my head like to [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► meet the point of having a place to work [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► in this is it again just goes to show [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► how old I am is I I've had opportunities [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► to go work at places in town where I've [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► gotten you know offers from really nice [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► places like a writing desk your twitter [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► at one point I almost got a place at [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► Twitter so this is great [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► I'll go to south park every day before i [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► got an office like five years ago six [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► years ago when I think I saw like Jason [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► Goldman there's like he's okay yeah we [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► got such up here and I was like this is [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► really nice but boys and four laps you [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► know like 1,100 bucks a month or [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► something you don't get it [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► no it wasn't that much now wasn't that [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► good but it was it was you know they're [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► gonna come here break or something but [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► anyway it would be really cool to work [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► at a you know one side all these cool [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► people but that to me people throwing a [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► ball [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► there's music going on a 2 up to a place [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► they're all like you see me uniquely [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► inappropriate for a large number of [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► people to be doing something quiet in [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► you notice that the I think there's [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► actually a lot of the time I feel like [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► arm i feel like if i were in an [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► environment like that i would just it [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► would be a personal challenge for me to [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► try and distract everyone else as much [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► as I could like I would just go from [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► desk to desk and be like hey what are [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► you working on [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► so how long you been how long you been [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► in Seattle and I would I just couldn't I [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► wouldn't be there to work i would be [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► there to socialize and to meet these [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► people and and find the interesting [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► things about them and and it just it if [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► you if you're going to work i would [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► think you would want to be in a in [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► seclusion but then that's my mind that's [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► the funny part is it's a kid's true both [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► ways i would be equal online media equal [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► parts but depending on the day i went on [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► the one hand be probably pretty annoyed [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► with how much movement activity and [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► noise there was because that's what it [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► is it's a bunch of people in a room [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► doing stuff while on the other hand I [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► could just also see myself walking up [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► and stand by somebody's desk and talking [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► to him for two hours so maybe the worst [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► of both worlds [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► I guess it works i guess it works for [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► some people but I said I i'm with you i [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► can see needing to get out of the house [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► wanting to get out of the house but i'm [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► not sure i understand how much more that [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► offers then you know then [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► then I cafe and I have friends who have [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► tried to do podcasts inside a place like [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► Wow which is like you know trying to do [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► like in the CNN NEWSROOM or something [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► well do you were so I was thinking about [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► this the other day when I was first [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► starting on out in music in seattle the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► biggest challenge that as I perceived it [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► at the time was to find a space like a [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► practice like a shed that was the that [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► was the the biggest the biggest obstacle [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► and i had a friend named Rhys Lamb who [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► was a painter and reese was really good [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► at that he knew he knew all the people [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► in the sort of up in underground seattle [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► and i don't mean the where you go on the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► tour of underground seattle but like he [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► knew all the people living in the in the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► holes and recent always had a place to [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► paint because he every time you run into [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► me be like oh yeah man i'm painting them [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► in this garage down in the ne you know [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► down in the central district i met a guy [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► who really repairs old refrigerators or [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► I met a guy that you know makes rubber [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► bands and he's got this space in the [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► corner of his plan that you'd go down [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► there and it would be an uninsulated [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► corner of a steel frame building and [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► rhys would be in there painting and time [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► and time again i would say hey you know [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► Reese like can you think of any place in [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► your network of spaces that would you [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► know that i could convert it to a band [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► practice base and he would get all [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► suspicious and you're like well man I [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► mean bands are so loud and you know and [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► he was afraid that if he hooked me up [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► with some space and I turn it into a [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► band practice space it was just going to [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► attract attention to the whole [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► underground economy then somebody's [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► gonna be like what's that making all [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► that noise over there and then you like [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► just a couple clicks out of a meth lab [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► yeah there's not it's not good for the [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► environment to attract attention rock [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► band and then yeah then the cops come [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► around and they're like we're just gonna [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► start busting all these old buildings [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► and then the rubber band guys out of [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► work frigerator got a man it's all [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► because of me that rubber band man is [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► such a good song [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► god that's a great song crazy wonderful [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► but i but but then so then there was you [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► know and they were always like shared [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► band practice basis but but it was like [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► he had to know somebody they were always [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► full to overflowing I couldn't find a [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► space and then my friend Peter took a [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► job as a custodian at a theater company [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► that was occupying an old funeral home [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► Wow Peter was there custodian in [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► exchange for them letting him live in [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► one of the outbuildings which was a the [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► garage where they kept the hearses and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► it was an onion uninsulated her sera JH [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► well I understand this so he's got a [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► place to do is stuff and a place to live [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► mhm i got what can imagine being in your [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► early twenties and coming into something [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► well I can't imagine the eighties movie [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► where you get to have an entire loft [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► yourself for fifty dollars a month [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► oh my i was i was standing right next to [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► Peter when it happened I was like hey [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► this is incredible you know let me help [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► you fix this place up so Peter was [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► pretty handy and we took the garage door [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► off and we took it off we took all the [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► hardware off the garage door and built [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► it so that it was just a wall it still [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► looked like a garage door but it was a [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► wall it didn't open anymore [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► that would have been my choice but that [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► was Peters idea and then we cut a door [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► in the side and we found one of those [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► old sort of patchwork metal doors from [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► an industrial you know it was kind of [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► leaning against side of a building and [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► yeah it looks like a refrigerator like [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► decorated area door [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah right we found one of those [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► and and and and hung it in the side of [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► this building and then we went in and [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► got a bunch of futons and drilled holes [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► in the futons and put bolts and washers [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► and then we could hang the futons over [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► the windows and we found a bunch of [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► insulation somewhere and and borrow a [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► ladder and got up and insulated this [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► whole building and it was like this [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► amazing space and i worked on it with [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► Peter for several months making it into [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► like the ultimate bachelor pad practice [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► space and it was a huge garage found [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► some couches some carpets he was living [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► there and he was a he was kind of an a [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► tidy guy he would wake up in the morning [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► and make his bed and put some throw [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► pillows on it so it looks like a couch [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► I don't know what he thought he was he [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► never entertained indignantly just take [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► what he had he had a personal dignity [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► that's right he was German and his [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► parents had like eight brothers and [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► sisters and he just he made his bed in [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► the morning but so then he put a bit he [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► had a band i had a band and we started [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► practicing in this space and right away [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► the relationship went started this hour [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► now and Peter was like you know you know [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► this is my house this is my home [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► you guys are practicing in and leaving [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► your chook to spit cans lying around and [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► you're you know when you're your [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► marijuana reefers and and I was like [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► what do you mean this is your house like [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► this is the this is the fantasy we've [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► always had like it's a bit sup it's like [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► a clubhouse [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► yeah why would use ownership and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► something so cool that he's like not [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► club is not your Clubhouse it's my [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► Clubhouse [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► I was like you're getting this place for [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► free for like not even being a janitor [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► over at the theatre company anyway it [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► got very contentious and and and and [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► reflecting back on it I realized that I [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► was I was taken over i was taken over [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► his his his private little space and so [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► I went over to the theater company and I [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► was like listen I'm not going to be your [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► janitor but he got he got a couple [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► outbuildings here so i got a couple [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► additional outbuildings [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► let me have one and A and they were like [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► you know we do it we have this space [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► over here that we were going to read to [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► a guy who was a motorcycle repair guy [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► but if you're a band if your artists [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► like we're a theater company we are we [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► are promised on helping people make art [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► and so they gave me this cinder block [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► garage that you know was moldy and [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► covered with oil and I and my band [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► having just helped Peter fix up his we [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► spent three four months fixing up this [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► garage and we actually took the garage [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► door out and built a cinderblock wall [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► just a lot by the Richard Hugo house [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► yeah wow that's so cool so the theater [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► company then sold itself to the Richard [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► Hugo house and I i continued a [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► relationship with them i was sort of [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► grandfathered in and they were like we [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► would much rather use that space to make [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► literary arts but i suppose since you've [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► been here and you did all this work you [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► can continue to be a rock band there [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► god this is like this is a different [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► century yeah and it is still a rock band [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► space to this day it was handed down [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► from us to a series of bands at one [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► point there's somebody will not [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► thermalright somebody kind of super [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► famous there for a while right [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► yeah there were there were there were [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► there were famous 'as there i think [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► various bands that that went in and out [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► of that space that we're all connected [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► by sort of a family relationship to to [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► me 20 years before and I don't need your [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► bastard rock children [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► yeah I don't know who's in there now but [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the Richard Hugo house just announced [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► that they sold the entire quarter of a [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► block all of the outbuildings in the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► funeral home and everything to some [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► developers who are going to put in a [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► tower condo tower all really it's all [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► going to get all going to go away [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► all the all the history all the blood [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► and sweat and songs and marijuana [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► reefers reefers & Peters Peters Peters [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► throwing bullets Peters lost the youth [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► and my lost youth and the the first [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► performance ever of unsalted butter and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► it's all just going to get back hold [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► into the basement of a of some kind of [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► condo fucking tears and rain [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► yeah that's right now I'm Sean well you [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► know I guess good for Richard Hugo house [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► I mean that their margins probably [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► pretty thin they probably don't they [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► probably don't get a lot of people [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► pounding in there like that show me the [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► trout [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► well you know the story of the Richard [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► you go house was thank you i don't know [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► but I you know he's my second favorite [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► American poet i do know that and and [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► like all like a whole healthy boys i [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► have a list well and like you know like [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► all good American friends you and I both [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► have shared with one another are our top [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► four or five American poets but I [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► respect you know weird is that weird [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► it's something everybody that's [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► absolutely not we show each other and [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► then there you know it's not yeah you [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► would like your friend or you're like am [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► visiting seattle can we go by the [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► literary arts center that celebrates the [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► work of my second favorite American poet [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► and i was like hey I happen to have some [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► friends there like needed and let's go [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► i'm curious but the Richard Hugo house [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► was funded by some rich people some one [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► of the you know the first generation of [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► Microsoft and Amazon multi millionaires [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► in this town back when they were [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► millionaires already but the town was [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► still pretty shabby and real estate was [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► cheap [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► right right uh it was talking about this [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► i mean we can't assume everybody's heard [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► every episode of the show I mean you [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► know it sounds like a sinister in a [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► similar way to san francisco obviously [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► in its own way but what Seattle has in [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► your lifetime seen some massive changes [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah yeah well and and not [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► even in my lifetime I mean they're what [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► is it makes it a tragedy is that [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► the changes started after i was already [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► aware of real estate right i mean i [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► remember standing on the tragedy it's [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► you didn't get in on it [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► yeah and away I remember standing on [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► your mommy and your mom did pretty well [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► with that [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► well no not really not considering what [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► we could have done right i mean you [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► could there were there was a time in [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► nineteen ninety five or six when you [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► could still buy a like a lot right [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► undeveloped lot within 10 minutes of [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► walking distance from downtown you can [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► buy it a like a a quarter-acre abandoned [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► lot for $20,000 don't and this you know [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► and and they were kind of all over the [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► place and the reason was that from [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► nineteen that's like four or five months [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► rent for and people who are new to San [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► Francisco [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah Yeah right and and and and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► nobody saw it coming [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► even though i did see it but it was very [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► hard to convince people because from [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► 1972 1995 that lot was never a lot [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► didn't change in value and Robbie it [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► probably was costly to maintain keep the [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► insurance i'm clean up the needles [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► yeah you got it was probably more more [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► costs and benefits got you gotta pay the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► taxes [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► yeah there's nothing else and so it's [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► like oh well that was twenty thousand [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► dollars and one across the street was [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► twelve thousand dollars in that lot up [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► there you know that whole like corner [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► lot was twenty-four thousand dollars and [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► 450 thousand dollars you could have [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► bought what would what would ultimately [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► be 20 million dollars in real-estate now [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► because they are the developers now are [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► going through that neighborhood and [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► tearing down three-story brick apartment [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► buildings in order to build you know [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► they're tearing down a [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► five-million-dollar building in order to [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► build a fifty-million-dollar old-growth [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the beams [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► oh yeah they just goes right in the [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► dumpster but and I did see it coming [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► because I could i looked around and i [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► was like well wait a minute [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► um is that you you can buy a house and [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► in the center of Seattle [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► for $50,000 who [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► and yet the world's richest man lives [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► here and not only that but this is the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► only this this will one day soon be the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► last livable place I've been to Los [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► Angeles I know what it I know what's [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► going on down there you know that this [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► was all evident 15 years ago but I [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► didn't have any resources and I didn't [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► have any I didn't have the Moxie you [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► know and and and and you have it's the [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► wisdom of retrospect I can look back now [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► and say like I knew it then and I should [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► have devoted all my energy to it but in [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► fact i was trying to I was trying to [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► write songs and being a band i didn't [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► want to be a real estate developer if [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► you're right you know if you but like [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► you know sometimes sometimes you even if [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► it's something in plain sight [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► there's nothing that ever gets you to do [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► something about it it's hard to explain [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► what I've idolized i'm fond of saying [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► it's difficult for me to try to explain [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► to people why didn't do something [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah Yeah right that's what the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► caricature he calls the trigger account [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► think again he can't you can't prove a [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► negative but anyway Richard Hugo house [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► these people were the were newly minted [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► millionaires and they went into Capitol [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► Hill's ritzy neighborhood and there is a [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► particular house right across the street [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► from the Cornish College of the Arts [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► that is a massive and beautiful gracious [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► home but it's right on a busy street and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► it's one of those beautiful homes that [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► when it was built and every once in a [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► while a guy would would putter by in a [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► one cylinder car pop up and go people [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► you know it was like oh that's charming [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► right we we have put our are big home on [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► the main street because we're Marty [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► McFly's family lived in 1955 line [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► estates or whatever me but maybe you [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► know because it made because the guy who [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► was bringing the milk on the horse-drawn [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► cart [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► a that kind of like busyness of the [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► street did not [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► it didn't impact your enjoyment of your [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► home right right the streetcar went by [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► somebody wrote by on a on a giant [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► bicycle a penny farthing or whatever but [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► there was no like being on a busy street [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► was not it was not disadvantageous and [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► now there's this big beautiful gracious [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► home but all day long is just round [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► round round buses and cars and and it's [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► just not it doesn't have it doesn't have [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► enough seclusion right so there's a [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► beautiful home but but but it's it's [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► such a big pile of of luxurious finishes [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► that even though it's on a busy street [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► you couldn't afford to live there unless [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► you were a rich person and if you were a [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► rich person why would you want to live [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► there so the Richard Hugo house people [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► initially went to that neighborhood and [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► they were like we're gonna buy this [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► house and it made perfect sense it was [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► like it was this fantastic place and big [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► entry hall a staircase that you could [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► take a team of horses up and I just [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► screamed literary arts center and then [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► it in an early example of sort of [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► Seattle NIMBY the other the old rich [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► people who lived in the in the gracious [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► homes right around there were all like [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► what we don't want but we're all these [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► literary arts people going to park [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► are you kidding we don't want to lose [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► some kind of literary can't imagine a [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► better neighbor that's going to invite [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► people that wear feathers for jewelry [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► that a literary arts you're gonna hear [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► those pencils scratching and neighbor [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► gave up together and kept the hugo house [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► from being able to buy it they it wasn't [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► just a grassroots campaign they actually [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► went to the city and said this [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► neighborhood is not zoned for this kind [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► of of questionable commercial artistic [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► use and so so they chase Richard you go [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► out out and and that your house bought [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► that funeral home kind of like it was [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► pretty far down on there it was left [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► their fourth choice or whatever [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► by the time by the time they were able [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► to get that place there like listen we [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► just need to buy a place and I think if [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► i recall correctly they they bought that [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► entire lot and funeral home and [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► everything for a million bucks and i'm [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► sure i'm absolutely sure that it's it [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► it's a ten-million-dollar piece of real [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► estate now or more [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► I know goodness $59 so they didn't do [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► too badly but I still drive past that [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► big beautiful home across from the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► Cornish College of the Arts and think it [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► if this i mean one day this will be a [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► literary arts center if I have my way [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► when I am an old man i will come here [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► and i will turn this into a literary [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► arts center just despite the ghosts of [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► those people because it's AI mean when [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► that house was built someone had the [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► someone recently probably wrote literary [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► arts center in chalk on a beam it was [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► meant for that so mad [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► that's funny also because um you know [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► you would want in a guy down but so much [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► what he wrote about that some memorable [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► arm he had a real eye for just all kinds [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► of stuff and Pacific Northwest but one [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► of the things that makes him a good poet [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► I for a lot of different kinds of stuff [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► I mean you know he's famous you if you [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► first became famous for his fish bones [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► whatever but like the stuff is that I [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► enjoy and remember the most is enough [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► about like tumbledown Western towns just [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► kind of and you know kind of analogies [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► for life falling apart that you go and [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► visit [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► it's kind of funny though that like that [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► to me is what he has to write a [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► wonderful book on writing that i can [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► highly recommend called the triggering [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► town [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► I like your love Richard Hugo is one of [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► my favorite loves and there's so many [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► things in my life I will talk about John [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► because it bores other people and [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► portable what I talk about what poets i [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► like it makes me so excited you know [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► he's really the rich man's by which i [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► mean poor man's but a carver you know [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► what I mean like he's that is uh yeah [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► Capote the poet but but without so much [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► rich man's Raymond Carver is the rich [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► please the rich man's poor man's Raymond [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► Carver huh [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► that's my favorite people that's my [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► favorite big blackout this episode of [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► Roderick on the line is sponsored by a [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► game called threes three's a tiny puzzle [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that grows on you [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► you can play forever and it will always [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► be in your pocket shot and I are big [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► fans of threes [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► you can learn more about 3 by searching [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► your app store or by visiting threes [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► game.com ok that's the part they wanted [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► us to say but here's the real truth [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► threes has ruined our lives [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► John and I are mere husks of men at this [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► time we play constantly are our lives [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► upside down our children are starving [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► John I want to get to the bottom of this [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► diabolical game so we did a very long [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► interview with Asher vollmer who's the [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► twisted genius behind this menace [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► here's an excerpt from the interview [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► it will be fun to throw in something [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► like a tip [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► what do you think John yeah well a tip [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► or even an argument like I've never had [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► to make an argument your entire fucking [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► life I feel like it we started talking [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► about Three's we would we would develop [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► a narrative pretty quickly around the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► idea that it is diabolical [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► oh I like the end and that it is that [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► you know that if it it will affect your [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► self-esteem if you are not a strong [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► person you know will discover the truth [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► about three is basically so I understand [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► what you're saying here we're definitely [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► saying that we're going to help you by [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► letting you know we're going to tear the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► veil away from this this monstrosity but [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► it's also I think we've been getting you [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► write a little bit like Lex Luthor or in [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► superman movie where he's saying some [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► people can read a candy wrapper and like [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► I understand the secrets of the universe [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► right exactly i feel like we need to [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► unmask certain aspects of threes so that [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► it isn't you know I wouldn't give threes [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► say to a vulnerable person here the rest [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► of the interview and find out ashes [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► plans for harnessing your game play for [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► free electric power please visit shown [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► us for this episode at Roderick [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► online.com you can download the full [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► interview for free there [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► listen to it a lot of fun and like we [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► said you can learn how to grab your own [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► copy of threes by visiting threes [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► gamecom or by visiting the App Store on [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► your mobile device and Real Talk guys [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► thanks a million Asher for making our [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► all-time favorite video game for taking [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► the time to talk to us and for [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► supporting Roderick on the line [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► I was listening to buffalo Tom on the [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► weigh-in today bar brains like and the [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► Twitter yeah he's good [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► I are buying a used to sound a lot like [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► dinosaur [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► well yeah and the replacements like all [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► those bands yet from the late eighties [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► in America all sounded like dinosaur jr [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► and the replacements and end the [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► recordings don't sound very good and [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► there's there's a lot of kind of I guess [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► jangle strumming but through over driven [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► names [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► yeah it's also weird how I mean even I [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► think this kind of happened even with [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► dump truck but there are others that [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► cluster of bands from around that time [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► were like they were these crusty post [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► minneapolis not exactly hardcore bands [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► but like my only was a pop-punk but you [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► know what I mean [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► bands like lemon heads and like soul [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► asylum that were very I think very much [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► had their roots I'm not to disparage but [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► very much had their roots the book pets [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► to junior the book pens [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► yeah but me it's funny you go back and [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► listen lemonheads back when the other [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► guy wrote songs too [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► they sound a lot like mr. do abs and [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► obviously soul asylum stuff before like [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► hang time sounds so much like the [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► replacements it's fun i'm just another [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► delights yellow kind of secret record [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► and who's the who's the guy with the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► frosted hair you know the guys that [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► became really popular window metric no [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► home no come on and nobody [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► yeah the group training never coming [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► back now that's all right now to get a [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► google dolls dolls dolls used to sound [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► even more like they send a lot like what [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► is it finding all of those bands that [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► you can go back and listen like they're [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► late eighties output and I state my hang [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► time it's glossy but it's a good album [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► it's like replacements meets cheap trick [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► is great but then those I but i couldn't [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► i never got into the goo goo dolls i [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► could never get anybody like it'sit's [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► what's funny in retrospect because if [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► you do go back and listen to those [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► records you so clearly here they going [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► oh my god i really want to I mean it [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► seems like kind of me in rem at one time [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► like oh my gosh I would love to recreate [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► this certain sound [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► and it's funny because then they'd all [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► like to a band got famous for some [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► generally power ballad or six so you got [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the runaway train [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► I'm gonna take these wool pants off [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► excuse me don't know please go ahead i'm [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► talking talking we're taking my so hot [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► who [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► so you got that in the lemonheads they [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► started to kind of turn it down you know [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► starting with the it's a shame about ray [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► stuff that's right then they got all I [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► think he actually did win a writer like [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► everybody now was she got there you got [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► done never did I never dated Buffalo Tom [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► they had the headlight song that was [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► kind of a power ballad you do you [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► remember i remember a early nineties all [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► the way after grunge had already a [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► crested Paul Westerberg still was voted [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► America's number one songwriter in some [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► Rolling Stone pole and and I remember [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► you know what the Academy Awards there [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► John that's getting better 17 really [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► felt like Tim Conway getting an Emmy [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► water appearance on 31 if it's a very [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► little left my book at matts go really [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► really that's better than satisfied i'm [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► telling you everything is that REM i I [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► don't know what I don't know whether it [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► is just that I certainly did you drink [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► the kool-aid and then that's the [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► kool-aid that you drank drank the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► kool-aid that was given in your time I [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► think that's right but a butt like [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► monster was the first REM Malcolm you [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► heard we're gonna have some very awkward [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► country yeah I guess that's true but [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► like the first three REM records are [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► I you know they are absolutely [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► bulletproof and and there's not a single [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► even the wrong notes are right and yet I [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► you know put on I'll put on the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► replacements and I know I know I've [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► heard it all a thousand times and I'm [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► and I saw them back in the day and i [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► have sat on i have sat on a dirty couch [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► with two other guys in horn-rimmed [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► glasses and uh and and baseball hats [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► from feed and seed companies and we have [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► argued about this for 25 years I've been [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► arguing about this but I put on those [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► replacements record just go there [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► really yeah well I i got a thought on [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► that I I have a theory on why that would [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► because I sometimes think i'll take what [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► i think this is the most [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► oh I hope this is the most radical thing [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► I say today is that I i think i think [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► Let It Be is a way better finished [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► product then Tim I think the production [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► on tim is incredibly dated my even Jim [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► Dickinson stuff on pleased to meet me [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► I mean my god i'm not gonna bring up the [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► gated problem but there's a lot of gated [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► reverb on there that makes it sound like [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► they're playing in half a toilet with [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► the lip balm but what I mean there is [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► not there is no worse record in terms of [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► production then I against I Bad Brains [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► and yet what I this allows any records [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► that like i said is misty records with [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► yeah that's that spot guy ruined a lot [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► of really good albums you really did and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► and and i mean i think that is a [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► fantastic album i can hear it i can [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► listen to it and love it through the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► production [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► yeah i do not care different you might [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► be remembering right it's pretty River [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► be oh my god who knows it sounds like [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► they put it sounds like they put a [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► microphone down a manhole cover and the [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► band was playing in a truck that was [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► driving by the rich language truck [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► there's no that they were never there [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► playing a like a ok i'm sure that's bad [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► breaking like not it's just sounds [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► terrible and and when you listen to you [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► can't help but say like oh god if you [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► could just have also been recording this [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► record when this record was recorded [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► like if there was another guy there who [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► was actually recorded back to your [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► theory about being a producer is more [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► than standing behind the faders it's [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► having editorial voice to make sure that [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► you got the skills to make it sound good [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► and then you make sure it sounds good [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► yeah right i mean you just I mean I'm [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► sure that recording a band was really [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► difficult and just personality-wise like [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► HR came in and you know and just started [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► calling you not hear whatever it was or [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► a Jew or whatever it was is because his [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► trip was that our but but you know my [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► god that those performances that moment [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► in time right you can't go back and read [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► course that record because nobody could [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► do it nobody could play that record now [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► it was they had they were they had they [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► were touched by angels right but you're [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► saying you're saying that as a new [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► brother replacements hasn't moved you as [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► much as it's not a lot of people I [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► songwriting i mean the the sounds of [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► those records not withstand the song you [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► don't like the songwriting I'd it's not [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► that I don't like it I just go like yeah [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► this is for other people this is for [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► guys in feed and seed hats or this is [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► for the goo goo dolls uh this one this [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► is the you know like I felt that way [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► about Dylan the first time I heard him [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► but then I grew to understand and love [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► Dylan and Dylan moves me now but I've [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► gone back to the replacements well a [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► hundred times and I always just come out [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► of it feeling like yeah those were the [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► guys that lived in the house across the [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► street from the house that I lived in [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► and we were friendly but not friends [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► mmm yeah I mean I i can't i can't argue [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► with that I mean you know at the time [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► that something becomes a sensation [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► whether it's any of these bands are my [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► other favorite bands that i learned [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► about because they became sensations you [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► know a lot of it has to do with the time [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► and the time in the timing and some of [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► that stuff does age better than others [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► some of it was never really that great [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► to begin with and Buffalo tom is an [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► example of a band that i saw in 1990-91 [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► and the show just blew me away [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► and so I I can't hear a bad word about [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► him you know what I mean like I love [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► i'll always love them because I remember [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► the feeling of being at their show and [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► feeling like this is doable like this is [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► doable [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► these guys are doing this and it's and I [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► could do this this is doable and this is [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► amazing in this show [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► there are a lot of people at the show [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► and they're all it was that first time [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► because i always going to punk shows [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► right right [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► those were the only shows that you went [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► to like hard hard-core show is where a [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► lot of it was about the mechanics and [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► volume [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► yeah right i mean i couldn't afford to [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► go see the to the cure is our ship right [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► I wasn't going to go to those shows i [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► was going to the show the five-dollar [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► show at the rec center of the three [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► dollar show direction [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► and those bands were all hardcore bands [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► and and so I would be at the show and I [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► would look around and everybody was [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► rocking their there punk thing and I [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► loved I loved to Slamdance it was one of [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► my favorite things to do but i was i did [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► not walk out of that show and feel like [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► you know what I'm gonna shave my head [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► and I'm gonna start you know I'm gonna [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► go vegan and i'm going to start like [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► living and working at a soup kitchen [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► like i did not i was not transformed [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► into right now I know but at buffalo Tom [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► show i looked around and i was like wow [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► like everybody here is my age and [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► they're all wearing carhartt jackets and [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► there are there girls here and most of [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► these guys are wearing glasses like [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► these are my people [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► it was it was really it was really kind [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► of uh it was afraid was freaky [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► well yeah yeah and now you're making me [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► think because that was that some of the [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► early shows i went to and it was just [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► their electric I mean just so such a [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► adrenaline shot to go to a show like [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► that but what's funny is like sometimes [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► I would end up seeing bad thing [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► especially bands that were opening for [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► somebody else that I had heard the name [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► of it might be a little bit familiar [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► with but bands were like that some of [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► the bands that really ended up sticking [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► with me like yo tengo and steelies and [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► these bands were you go and like if you [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► just heard their record first you might [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► you might not get it but we're girls are [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► killed big example of all man they were [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► when they were good they were real [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► glossy but they were they were amazing [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► they were fun and funny but like yeah [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► but I mean you'll attend go to me like I [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► think there's something is fantastic i [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► think the evolution of them over time is [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► great i think they seem like interesting [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► people or you know again with the [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► feelies the Phillies are like as close [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► as I'll ever get to something like the [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► Grateful Dead like where you go and i'm [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► justin intently watching the way this [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► song is unfolding because it's it is it [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► is very rock and roll you know but it's [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► just very very intense but it's also [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► kind of nerdy like yo tengo that's if [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► there's something basically nerdy about [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► it but it just happens to rock so called [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► me that night [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► and then that leads me down the rabbit [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► hole of going and looking for all the [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► records from those guys that's then that [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► stuff that is really like you Buffalo [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► tom [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► tom [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► stuff that really stuck with me and i [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► don't i don't think it's defensible I [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► don't think you can I don't think you [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► could stand on a on a on a on a [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► overturned create outside of hyde park [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► and say I like Buffalo Tom and don't [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► like the replacements like I don't think [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► that that is artistically defensive when [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► people use your time i'm i'm gonna get a [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► ticket to London and I maybe i'm going [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► to make that case you didn't get a [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► moment of your time please gather around [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► gather around [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► I know John Buffalo Tom but it but I [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► don't care for the replacement soap [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► watch once I driver behind you but but [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► there it is [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► you know what I made through the coffee [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► cup of pee at you don't follow budget i [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► take your p you that [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► mmm yeah yeah even listening music the [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► same way anymore though John it's just [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► not the same anymore [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► yeah I guess I don't we came from the [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► actions guess I don't care I don't care [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► I was listening I was listening to the [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► radio and they were playing some old [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► music by which i mean music from my [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► youth like you know Punk and grunge and [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► i was struck again by how bad [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► most of it was and I realized that [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► there's you couldn't you could not sit a [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► young person down and explain what it [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► meant you know you couldn't you couldn't [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► sit them down and say like it used to be [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► hard to hear music [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► it used to be hard to even find it right [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► yeah you first you had to get the [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► rosetta stone that tells you which bands [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► to even know the name of then you had to [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► find out like what their music was like [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► you had to read extensive reviews [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► there's like five steps before you ever [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► even went and spent your fucking money [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► on it for this thing and not that thing [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► but 22 to be important to be 22 years [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► old in it in my case and go to a rock [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► show [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► where it was your first exposure to the [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► audience to an audience that looked like [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► you who like kind of first time ever [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► right because the more i think about it [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► like I'd been to heavy metal stadium [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► concerts and I'd been to a thousand a [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► punk rock shows in youth Center's but I [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► had never been to a show in a club where [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► the where the other people where the [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► audience had taken some college classes [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► because those bands didn't come to [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► Anchorage right re i'm never played in [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► Anchorage when I was growing up and and [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► that and to be 22 years old and have it [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► be the first time that you ever were [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► standing in a room where you were like I [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► believe that this room of people is a [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► mirror i am seeing myself for the first [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► time [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► how would you explain that to someone [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► who was 22 years old now right [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► I'm because presumably they have [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► certainly bit there they are aware that [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► there are rooms full of people who [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► resemble them even if they've never been [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► in one was designing a lot fewer things [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► that are just strictly speaking a black [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► box there are a lot fewer things where [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► you actually have no idea what this is [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► gonna be like right or it's just not [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► possible to find out what it's going to [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► be like until you do it until you do it [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► right you could not you i could not have [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► had an advanced I guess somebody I guess [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► somebody could have said like you should [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► go to this show because you seem like [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► you would be a fan of them right [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► that would be the closest would be the [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► closest approximation of like here's [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► where you belong and it turned out I [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► didn't belong there either right [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► I walked around and I was like hi hi [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► nice to meet you high and everybody was [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► like you know we don't really just walk [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► up and say hi to each other that's kind [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► of the way this works [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► that's not how we do it I was like oh [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► right right okay okay mm yeah [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► I was thinking about that the other day [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► I was walking down the street and I'm i [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► was taught I don't know about you but I [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► was taught that when you're walking down [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► the street you make eye contact with [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► people and and nod and smile like you [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► make eye contact with people that you [TS]