Roderick on the Line

Ep. 128: "Arcadum"


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00:00:32   hello I John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:37   your you sound scratchy Oh see this is [TS]

00:00:40   what I'm afraid of i do I sound kinda I [TS]

00:00:44   like it though it's it's a it's really [TS]

00:00:46   you know Susan Sarandon me i always [TS]

00:00:49   think about Brenda Caro and those moves [TS]

00:00:53   and the 74 lady products [TS]

00:00:55   mm and she had like licking and like a [TS]

00:00:57   improbably gravelly voice really is she [TS]

00:00:59   okay she swallow a camel and protection [TS]

00:01:05   that that uh yeah you know the seasons [TS]

00:01:08   have just changed here in Seattle and [TS]

00:01:11   when the seasons change is when i start [TS]

00:01:15   wearing lady Hatt's because there's a [TS]

00:01:21   certain kind with remember remember 11 [TS]

00:01:24   kangal were all the rage [TS]

00:01:26   oh yeah when when LL Cool J yeah you [TS]

00:01:31   know when he loved his radio you could [TS]

00:01:33   do without it and he had an angle that's [TS]

00:01:35   right and back in that during that era [TS]

00:01:36   early nineties i had a powder-blue [TS]

00:01:39   kangal pith helmet that was made out of [TS]

00:01:43   terry cloth that I just loved I loved [TS]

00:01:47   that hat i just don't see that on you it [TS]

00:01:49   was really it was fly [TS]

00:01:52   mm and you know a particularly sense in [TS]

00:01:56   every other respect I was wearing like [TS]

00:01:58   like a forest colored wool like [TS]

00:02:04   basically like wool pants and and and [TS]

00:02:08   logging boots the fact that i was [TS]

00:02:10   wearing a powder-blue kangal just what [TS]

00:02:11   was the little cherry on the top brass [TS]

00:02:13   so anyway I still have a lot of [TS]

00:02:15   affection for that style of hat and the [TS]

00:02:20   only way you can find them is in lady [TS]

00:02:23   Hatt's ah the nineteen seventies style [TS]

00:02:27   of kind of like bucket hat ladies meant [TS]

00:02:33   for ladies made of made of wool or Terry [TS]

00:02:38   and every year I say i'm gonna i don't [TS]

00:02:42   care i know that these hats are our [TS]

00:02:44   gender neutral i'm i'm making them and [TS]

00:02:48   this is the year that I mean adjust your [TS]

00:02:49   reclaiming them i'm gonna wear lady [TS]

00:02:52   Hatt's all fall they're not they're not [TS]

00:02:54   as good in the in the winter that's when [TS]

00:02:56   you switch to your cowichan had it [TS]

00:03:00   commissioned as a good winter hat but [TS]

00:03:01   fall is a nice time for like for a [TS]

00:03:03   bucket hat so anyway I'm wearing my lady [TS]

00:03:06   bucket hat today and it looks like the [TS]

00:03:09   neighborhood of a fresh new rapper lady [TS]

00:03:11   bucket at and and it's on my head my [TS]

00:03:17   head as soon as I walked into the cafe [TS]

00:03:19   because the cafe that I go to on the way [TS]

00:03:22   down here is in the industrial [TS]

00:03:23   neighborhood where everybody in there is [TS]

00:03:25   in car hearts and they all have like [TS]

00:03:27   welding scars and I walked in my lady [TS]

00:03:32   hat and you know it was like the jukebox [TS]

00:03:34   stopped and everybody is that it's and I [TS]

00:03:38   was just like it's supremely confident [TS]

00:03:40   like no fuck you you guys this is the [TS]

00:03:43   this is the way of the future and you [TS]

00:03:48   know everybody goes immediately turned [TS]

00:03:50   back to their whether the other things [TS]

00:03:51   but uh but it may get it does it reminds [TS]

00:03:56   me of sort of it that nineteen seventies [TS]

00:03:58   be Arthur scratchy voice you know what [TS]

00:04:03   woman in charge of our own destiny [TS]

00:04:06   yes I know those women yeah we're kind [TS]

00:04:09   of a FLT lucky hat maybe an adrienne [TS]

00:04:12   barbeau thank you refer to a mod and [TS]

00:04:16   escape from new york character you know [TS]

00:04:19   what she you know what I got so much to [TS]

00:04:20   talk about John crystal I think I i [TS]

00:04:24   think i've told you before that I've [TS]

00:04:25   started trying to rule out to get any I [TS]

00:04:28   used to be like way I feel right now I [TS]

00:04:30   would have said for 40 years on getting [TS]

00:04:33   a cold [TS]

00:04:33   except now i'm pretty sure it could be [TS]

00:04:35   allergies today I get a lot of the same [TS]

00:04:37   symptoms as a cold when I have allergies [TS]

00:04:39   and so I have this super slow motion [TS]

00:04:41   getting a cold feeling that I I'm hoping [TS]

00:04:45   is just allergies cause that just goes [TS]

00:04:47   away on its own [TS]

00:04:48   I woke up in the middle of the night [TS]

00:04:49   last night and had [TS]

00:04:50   7-minute long sneezing fit so worth it i [TS]

00:04:56   did I didn't although i think they did [TS]

00:04:58   record it out at Mount st. Helens on [TS]

00:05:00   their seismographs but i but i do feel [TS]

00:05:05   like something happens and although i [TS]

00:05:07   know i was trying to picture the little [TS]

00:05:10   plants all releasing their spores [TS]

00:05:13   according to some Q some atmospheric you [TS]

00:05:16   hm like it's october something happens [TS]

00:05:19   they don't they don't need to get a [TS]

00:05:21   specific message from a specific [TS]

00:05:22   Telegraph there's something in there [TS]

00:05:24   plant DNA that just knows when these [TS]

00:05:27   conditions are met [TS]

00:05:28   let's torture John that's right here it [TS]

00:05:29   is or or John and Merlin like all along [TS]

00:05:32   the west coast like and go yeah and it's [TS]

00:05:35   just like all of a sudden the air is [TS]

00:05:36   full of some new pollen and you're just [TS]

00:05:39   like oh no what happened I was fine [TS]

00:05:42   yesterday I think also our house is a [TS]

00:05:44   little sick [TS]

00:05:45   it's really old you know and I don't [TS]

00:05:47   think anybody's ever really liked [TS]

00:05:48   cleaned out the docks and stuff like [TS]

00:05:50   that [TS]

00:05:50   I mean I know there's lots of toys in [TS]

00:05:52   there so I sing there's dust and stuff [TS]

00:05:54   too [TS]

00:05:54   how many half empty cans of flat soda [TS]

00:05:58   water are there like in the rap just [TS]

00:06:02   like in the rafters and kind of like [TS]

00:06:03   sitting on on the unfinished basement [TS]

00:06:07   it's a really really good question i am [TS]

00:06:10   trying to be better about that i'm [TS]

00:06:12   trying to implement some work flows [TS]

00:06:14   because ever since I got off the [TS]

00:06:16   SodaStream for no particular reason but [TS]

00:06:20   i'm on the cans and I'm going through [TS]

00:06:21   about a 12 pack of cans a day and those [TS]

00:06:23   really really pile out [TS]

00:06:25   yeah they do especially if you don't [TS]

00:06:27   finish everyone to the last drop this [TS]

00:06:30   about me that you found here on your [TS]

00:06:31   house maybe I one quarter of a can of [TS]

00:06:34   fizzy water and then you open another [TS]

00:06:35   one [TS]

00:06:36   I i think it might be all the keys me [TS]

00:06:38   alive I mean really seriously i drinking [TS]

00:06:40   lots of water and I just don't want to [TS]

00:06:43   think about what happens when I find out [TS]

00:06:44   that it's not doing what i thought it [TS]

00:06:46   was doing [TS]

00:06:46   yeah I had two thoughts here is ok i was [TS]

00:06:50   going to talk about lady product ads [TS]

00:06:51   from the seventies and how much they [TS]

00:06:52   they freaked me out when I didn't really [TS]

00:06:54   understand them but instead i'm going to [TS]

00:06:55   pivot two hats and you know you and I [TS]

00:06:57   are both if I may say very fair skin em [TS]

00:07:01   I mean for being as Hardy inhale and is [TS]

00:07:05   headed as you are I think people who [TS]

00:07:07   meet you might be surprised to know that [TS]

00:07:08   you're very fair-skinned are you know [TS]

00:07:09   yeah I would yeah my skin is in the is [TS]

00:07:12   in the pink category railing of Ages and [TS]

00:07:14   cream complexion now [TS]

00:07:16   yeah it's not I there's no there's no [TS]

00:07:18   all of component no no might my wife my [TS]

00:07:22   wife is much more on that end of the [TS]

00:07:23   spectrum like she goes out into the Sun [TS]

00:07:25   for three minutes and she gets a tan [TS]

00:07:28   I got inside for three minutes and have [TS]

00:07:29   to be hospitalized I'm not like bubbly [TS]

00:07:31   blisters and luckily my daughter is more [TS]

00:07:34   in her direction so she doesn't burn as [TS]

00:07:36   easily but you know this is I don't make [TS]

00:07:38   this about race but you know you've got [TS]

00:07:40   you've got people from Asia in [TS]

00:07:42   Washington right and at me [TS]

00:07:44   have you noticed like I think that [TS]

00:07:47   definitely Chinese ladies I think with [TS]

00:07:49   Japanese ladies like they are almost [TS]

00:07:52   always wearing a hat every right [TS]

00:07:55   yes I'm look at the bucket hat is the [TS]

00:07:56   classic local hat but have you getting [TS]

00:08:00   this there [TS]

00:08:01   we're like there's a thing that started [TS]

00:08:03   out as what looks like a tennis visor [TS]

00:08:06   with except advisors like made out of [TS]

00:08:08   sunglasses [TS]

00:08:09   mhm you don't talk about where you going [TS]

00:08:12   to really put on and then there's a [TS]

00:08:13   polarized translucent plastic thing that [TS]

00:08:18   yes [TS]

00:08:18   ok yeah so I noticed i feel like i [TS]

00:08:21   noticed over time that those were [TS]

00:08:22   getting bigger yeah until you're all [TS]

00:08:25   right so that they go from here to here [TS]

00:08:28   well you know here's the thing yeah they [TS]

00:08:29   got bigger and bigger because you know [TS]

00:08:31   if you like a little protection let's [TS]

00:08:33   try a little more protection do you get [TS]

00:08:35   Chinese ladies wearing what looks like a [TS]

00:08:38   welding mask now have you seen this [TS]

00:08:42   you know boom imagine imagine it's kind [TS]

00:08:44   of hot in like a lie but imagine like a [TS]

00:08:47   65 year old woman and she's wearing what [TS]

00:08:50   looks like that same kind of like a big [TS]

00:08:51   piece of sunglasses [TS]

00:08:52   yeah it covers her entire family over [TS]

00:08:55   her face she can still breathe fine from [TS]

00:08:57   what I can gather right but I think it [TS]

00:08:59   must provide a surpassing level of sun [TS]

00:09:01   protection [TS]

00:09:02   it's part of the overall sort of blade [TS]

00:09:05   runner ification of alcohol and West [TS]

00:09:08   Coast cities i think you're right right [TS]

00:09:10   there and i think i'm gonna say there's [TS]

00:09:12   a lot of umbrellas lot a lot of these [TS]

00:09:13   Chinese ladies carry umbrellas too i [TS]

00:09:15   feel like there is a feel like there's [TS]

00:09:18   some some kind of thing that is being [TS]

00:09:20   communicated on a global scale where [TS]

00:09:23   people are saying i'm going to do my [TS]

00:09:25   part to make this urban dystopia extra [TS]

00:09:31   trippy let it begin with me [TS]

00:09:33   that's right like at it you get no one [TS]

00:09:36   person can make any downtown area super [TS]

00:09:40   trippy on their own right they just make [TS]

00:09:43   it a little weird and awkward if you're [TS]

00:09:44   standing in an intersection throwing [TS]

00:09:46   rice at birds and you're the only one [TS]

00:09:48   doing that like that's not going to have [TS]

00:09:50   a you know if I can have an effect on [TS]

00:09:52   actually creating this help because [TS]

00:09:53   you're obviously just just a loon write [TS]

00:09:55   it but if somebody's throwing rice at [TS]

00:09:57   birds and a big guy and a wool jacket [TS]

00:09:59   walks by and a lady hat and then across [TS]

00:10:01   the street there's a chinese lady with [TS]

00:10:03   the welding mask on you get this guy [TS]

00:10:04   over here get over here quick this is [TS]

00:10:08   pretty soon you are creating a blade [TS]

00:10:11   runner tableau that no one person could [TS]

00:10:14   have done it such a good point because [TS]

00:10:16   here's the thing about blade runner [TS]

00:10:18   here's the thing about any future vision [TS]

00:10:20   is like we remember as people who saw it [TS]

00:10:23   around the time it came out as being [TS]

00:10:25   about space in spaceships and flying [TS]

00:10:28   cars and so you say that's how to make [TS]

00:10:29   this more blade runner you're gonna say [TS]

00:10:31   maybe flying cars or maybe the void [TS]

00:10:33   contest [TS]

00:10:35   mhm because those people would say I [TS]

00:10:38   think that I would say what kind of toss [TS]

00:10:40   out a few other bullet points for you ok [TS]

00:10:42   do carrying around umbrellas [TS]

00:10:45   alright i'm wearing hats clear plastic [TS]

00:10:49   clothing Street food right or army or [TS]

00:10:53   making things out of matched [TS]

00:10:54   six people people right well like like [TS]

00:10:57   street vendor carts but that are [TS]

00:10:59   actually practicing medicine riding [TS]

00:11:01   bicycles in the dark [TS]

00:11:04   there's a lot of that there's a lot of [TS]

00:11:05   that there's a lot of zooming in on [TS]

00:11:07   photos [TS]

00:11:08   that's right guard hardcopies your [TS]

00:11:11   medicine in any crowded street scene [TS]

00:11:13   there are punk rockers and you get easy [TS]

00:11:15   but then you also get all the way down [TS]

00:11:16   to like was it like a square glass with [TS]

00:11:19   giant ice cubes like he's gonna handle [TS]

00:11:20   bar in Portland [TS]

00:11:21   hmm i'm just saying here's what I'm [TS]

00:11:23   trying to get it i'm sorry i think i [TS]

00:11:24   really am literally getting sick [TS]

00:11:26   it's affecting the details yes apps i [TS]

00:11:29   think everybody has something to [TS]

00:11:30   contribute to this just because you have [TS]

00:11:32   a rocket car don't have a rocket car [TS]

00:11:33   does not mean that you're not welcome [TS]

00:11:36   just because your skin may not be the [TS]

00:11:38   smoothest does not mean we don't have a [TS]

00:11:40   role for you as a police henchmen [TS]

00:11:42   that's right there are plenty of things [TS]

00:11:44   that just dust all over the place i [TS]

00:11:45   think everybody is bringing a little bit [TS]

00:11:47   to the brig blade runner party today I [TS]

00:11:49   don't think anybody could have predicted [TS]

00:11:50   that that it was i'm sitting here doing [TS]

00:11:55   as some kind of radio show but the key [TS]

00:11:59   elements are at my desk is covered with [TS]

00:12:01   guitar picks that have Jonathan Coulton [TS]

00:12:03   space on them and i have an orange bell [TS]

00:12:06   from the nineteen seventies the dice [TS]

00:12:10   rolling is that mille bornes where's [TS]

00:12:12   that from [TS]

00:12:13   but that's not run Milbourne is it crew [TS]

00:12:15   was the middle of yours well I should [TS]

00:12:17   not see no i don't remember either but [TS]

00:12:20   uh but you know it's it's the it's the [TS]

00:12:22   accumulation of small like Warren to try [TS]

00:12:27   this that makes any future escape look [TS]

00:12:31   real and so every day I try to have at [TS]

00:12:34   least one element of my on my person [TS]

00:12:38   where it if it's a panning shot of a [TS]

00:12:41   street scene and I'm just walking from [TS]

00:12:43   one place to another [TS]

00:12:44   the fact that i have like a leather bag [TS]

00:12:47   with an like a visible octopus sticking [TS]

00:12:50   out of it is the element that's going to [TS]

00:12:53   stick in some future kids mind was like [TS]

00:12:55   I saw that panning shot and it seemed [TS]

00:12:57   you know and did you see the guy in the [TS]

00:12:59   suit with the octopus not everybody does [TS]

00:13:01   that it was dusty yeah and it's just [TS]

00:13:03   like they're the first time I went to [TS]

00:13:05   Morocco i was walking [TS]

00:13:07   the UH the medina in Fez and a guy walks [TS]

00:13:12   by me in a in a in a three-piece suit [TS]

00:13:14   and he's carrying a to live chickens by [TS]

00:13:17   their feet [TS]

00:13:18   ok and i was like i am Here I am here [TS]

00:13:22   now like I think they got that they got [TS]

00:13:24   the set-dressing right yeah this is this [TS]

00:13:26   I mean before that when it was like a [TS]

00:13:28   bunch of guys in July ops galapas with [TS]

00:13:30   the like Poland donkeys with but like [TS]

00:13:33   sticks tied to the back something words [TS]

00:13:36   now it's always like I mean that you [TS]

00:13:38   know i'm walking through and make sure [TS]

00:13:39   of course right in a foreign country [TS]

00:13:41   right sure but then the guy in the three [TS]

00:13:43   pieces with the two chickens will to [TS]

00:13:45   live chickens by their feet I was like [TS]

00:13:46   okay i miss the three-piece suit part [TS]

00:13:49   that's going some three-piece suit to [TS]

00:13:51   like they were business chickens it was [TS]

00:13:54   he's a business guy he's coming home [TS]

00:13:55   from workers going sideways the binos [TS]

00:13:57   the middle of the afternoon and he's [TS]

00:13:59   like oh I need to get some dinner and I [TS]

00:14:01   my wife asked me to pick up a live [TS]

00:14:02   chickens pick up a couple of chickens [TS]

00:14:04   and he's just like and that's the thing [TS]

00:14:07   he's just going about his day the rest [TS]

00:14:09   of the people were were there because [TS]

00:14:12   it's like oh we're setting a Moroccan [TS]

00:14:14   scene so we gotta we gotta have a little [TS]

00:14:17   old man with pointy shoes drawing them a [TS]

00:14:19   mule through the street you're gonna [TS]

00:14:21   want some carpets that are hanging on [TS]

00:14:23   that's gonna run with baskets there [TS]

00:14:25   should be a snake probably somewhere [TS]

00:14:27   Marie meat meat is burning on spits [TS]

00:14:29   whether or not it is actually culturally [TS]

00:14:31   appropriate some women should be you [TS]

00:14:33   lating mmm i think it might be peculiar [TS]

00:14:36   to Iran and I think it all is absolutely [TS]

00:14:39   relating became our vision of the middle [TS]

00:14:41   east at one point [TS]

00:14:42   yeah it's it was not happening in [TS]

00:14:44   Morocco but that but the guy with the [TS]

00:14:46   suit and the chickens [TS]

00:14:47   nobody would have thought to include him [TS]

00:14:50   right he just was himself and he is the [TS]

00:14:55   that's the detail that makes that made [TS]

00:14:58   it real and I was like I actually I'm [TS]

00:14:59   here now this is not a this is not a [TS]

00:15:02   Truman Show situation because no one [TS]

00:15:04   would have put this guy here that's [TS]

00:15:06   funny you should say that that comes up [TS]

00:15:08   a lot on end up talking about that line [TS]

00:15:10   and was gonna say also is like the void [TS]

00:15:12   comp like I have to say the more I you I [TS]

00:15:15   might put that test to people all the [TS]

00:15:17   time do you have [TS]

00:15:18   I mean you have a portable [TS]

00:15:19   unit i carry what you know actually it's [TS]

00:15:22   a nap [TS]

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00:16:49   I'll tell you what hasn't changed [TS]

00:16:50   you still get 24 x seven support the [TS]

00:16:52   plan still started eight dollars a month [TS]

00:16:54   and you still get a free domain name [TS]

00:16:55   when you sign up for a year to learn [TS]

00:16:58   more and sign up for your free trial [TS]

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00:17:14   supertrain at checkout our [TS]

00:17:16   congratulations to everybody at square [TS]

00:17:18   space for this dynamite new release and [TS]

00:17:20   thanks very much for their continued [TS]

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00:17:24   do it without you [TS]

00:17:28   oh he was handsome in that movie a lot [TS]

00:17:31   of good looking up things in that movie [TS]

00:17:34   but she was my comp now I'm a terrible [TS]

00:17:39   judge of character and I can't tell when [TS]

00:17:40   anyone is lying including myself right [TS]

00:17:43   so I'm not good at that [TS]

00:17:44   if I had to face off with the with was [TS]

00:17:47   the actors names Delroy Leroy was the [TS]

00:17:48   guys staying at the hotel [TS]

00:17:50   yeah don't really write don't quite [TS]

00:17:52   Leroy fer if the first skinjob they talk [TS]

00:17:54   to you I don't work pink out le roy was [TS]

00:17:56   it should always need to get Leonard [TS]

00:17:58   let's not look what letter the skin job [TS]

00:18:02   leonard skinner talking to him yeah he's [TS]

00:18:04   getting pretty hostile you don't like [TS]

00:18:06   the questions okay yeah the the tester [TS]

00:18:09   guy had a much bigger role originally a [TS]

00:18:12   lot of stuff got cut out [TS]

00:18:13   that's too bad i think that was also [TS]

00:18:15   Brady's bits i think he was also maybe [TS]

00:18:17   the original choice for for the Rick [TS]

00:18:21   Deckard part all really ya know it's [TS]

00:18:24   there's one version where you can see [TS]

00:18:25   I'm in like a space iron long after he's [TS]

00:18:27   gotten beaten up by Del Rey Leroy how [TS]

00:18:30   many I mean I know there are already six [TS]

00:18:32   versions of plate right now because it [TS]

00:18:33   brings are you want there's at least [TS]

00:18:34   four discrete version i think yeah [TS]

00:18:37   there's the director's cut there's the [TS]

00:18:38   actual director's cut [TS]

00:18:40   there's good the locals addition I know [TS]

00:18:42   there's at least I mean I'm going to [TS]

00:18:44   begin to get into this but otherwise [TS]

00:18:45   iphone iphone 3 i've owned the original [TS]

00:18:48   one [TS]

00:18:49   yeah I would you know with the [TS]

00:18:52   voice-over the Harrison Ford really [TS]

00:18:54   didn't want to do and it shows right [TS]

00:18:56   because you know we starting voiceovers [TS]

00:18:59   to stuff the voice overs are like our [TS]

00:19:02   two dramas as laugh tracks are comedy [TS]

00:19:04   you know they're there because if the [TS]

00:19:06   myth material is not where it needed to [TS]

00:19:07   be [TS]

00:19:08   yeah but I was convinced by i was [TS]

00:19:10   convinced by the voice-over the first [TS]

00:19:12   time I was fine with it until i heard [TS]

00:19:13   without and I was like oh like watching [TS]

00:19:15   mash the left track it's like the show [TS]

00:19:17   is twice as good without the left track [TS]

00:19:19   but anyhow there's that version in 1999 [TS]

00:19:23   probably the second DVD i ever bought [TS]

00:19:26   third DVD the first DVD i was Rushmore [TS]

00:19:29   second DVD i bought was the radiohead [TS]

00:19:32   movie in the third one was that's a row [TS]

00:19:36   picker-upper [TS]

00:19:37   that's fun to watch on a plane see [TS]

00:19:39   people having seizures always playing [TS]

00:19:40   and then the the third one I think was [TS]

00:19:43   the director's cut the runner which was [TS]

00:19:46   apparently turns out not really such a [TS]

00:19:49   director's cut it but it was the famous [TS]

00:19:50   one you know that hinted more pointedly [TS]

00:19:54   @ p @ the ultimate vision of the above [TS]

00:19:57   the maestro [TS]

00:19:58   yeah they started out in the unicorn [TS]

00:20:00   dream and stuff like that yeah unicorn [TS]

00:20:01   dream the one that i will recommend to [TS]

00:20:03   listeners as far as i know the the one [TS]

00:20:05   that's really good came out a couple [TS]

00:20:06   years ago I believe it's called the [TS]

00:20:08   final cut [TS]

00:20:09   oh really which seems a little bit [TS]

00:20:11   optimistic given all these things go for [TS]

00:20:13   a long time my favorite pink and white [TS]

00:20:14   record and Maggie but the one after i [TS]

00:20:24   wasn't even look day look a cruiser with [TS]

00:20:26   all hands you [TS]

00:20:27   wow you think wow I should listen to [TS]

00:20:30   more pink floyd i really really should i [TS]

00:20:32   no like three-and-a-half 904 pink floyd [TS]

00:20:38   records but it's really i know three [TS]

00:20:39   full records into half records [TS]

00:20:41   yeah and I should hear more i should [TS]

00:20:43   hear more i think i should listen more [TS]

00:20:44   animals as my sense i think that pink [TS]

00:20:46   floyd was a very talented band and I [TS]

00:20:50   feel that they contributed a lot to [TS]

00:20:52   music and to guitar playing in [TS]

00:20:56   particular but also to like dramatic [TS]

00:21:00   they really they really made it safe to [TS]

00:21:03   be super dramatic in your music [TS]

00:21:05   yeah now that I through with that yeah [TS]

00:21:08   yeah yeah well they're good for lots of [TS]

00:21:10   reasons they're good because there's a [TS]

00:21:12   lot of times with are really really good [TS]

00:21:13   and they succeed at what they set out to [TS]

00:21:15   do and they're also good at something [TS]

00:21:17   that makes people so angry and provoked [TS]

00:21:19   that they react to it you know which you [TS]

00:21:22   know say what you will about Gary [TS]

00:21:23   Glitter but you know I think it's tough [TS]

00:21:24   i can make people want to make punk rock [TS]

00:21:25   and that's a good thing but but uh but [TS]

00:21:28   also i was watching speaking of Blade [TS]

00:21:30   Runner was watching have you seen the [TS]

00:21:31   documentary your oskis dune mm no this [TS]

00:21:35   is a very important film i won't go into [TS]

00:21:37   this too much but but basically [TS]

00:21:40   alejandro jodorowsky who did these [TS]

00:21:42   monkey balls films in the early [TS]

00:21:44   seventies almost made doing spent [TS]

00:21:47   two-and-a-half years trying to make do [TS]

00:21:49   and you know I'm not [TS]

00:21:50   because either seen this documentary [TS]

00:21:52   three times like I have or you haven't [TS]

00:21:53   seen it i won't spoil it for you but I [TS]

00:21:55   think you should see it but one of the [TS]

00:21:56   things he did in addition you can I just [TS]

00:21:58   started a rumor mill I have never seen [TS]

00:22:00   the movie dune nor have i read the book [TS]

00:22:03   down [TS]

00:22:04   yeah I keep dancing around it i mean [TS]

00:22:07   i've seen the movie and the thing is [TS]

00:22:09   it's once you watch this documentary [TS]

00:22:10   doing which is already not a great movie [TS]

00:22:14   it's a very interesting movie it is in [TS]

00:22:15   the words of my favorite podcast the [TS]

00:22:17   flophouse it's a good bad movie like [TS]

00:22:19   it's it's really enjoyable even with all [TS]

00:22:22   its faults and I think originally david [TS]

00:22:24   lynch did Alan Smithee on it I think he [TS]

00:22:26   was originally so unhappy with what the [TS]

00:22:28   studio wanted in giving his resources [TS]

00:22:30   stuff anyway but I'm but anyway it's [TS]

00:22:32   very fascinating story and and so he [TS]

00:22:35   spent two-and-a-half years on this and [TS]

00:22:36   you know the none of it is if you watch [TS]

00:22:38   the trailer you get all this out of the [TS]

00:22:39   trailer which is basically the team that [TS]

00:22:41   he put together to make dune is it [TS]

00:22:45   became some of the most influential [TS]

00:22:47   people in the world of sci-fi movies [TS]

00:22:49   like dan o'bannon HR giger and tiger [TS]

00:22:53   says that is that how you say it gave [TS]

00:22:55   her a hrg share [TS]

00:22:57   I I would I've always the Geiger counter [TS]

00:23:01   I've never heard it pronounced I guess I [TS]

00:23:02   just it's one of those words that you [TS]

00:23:03   read and you just saying how you feel [TS]

00:23:06   the names in this is a wrong also [TS]

00:23:07   Salvador Dali WWE was going to be the [TS]

00:23:11   Emperor that would've been cool [TS]

00:23:14   yep keith carradine was on board for it [TS]

00:23:16   and in your oski had his twelve-year-old [TS]

00:23:18   son ten-year-old son twelve-year-old son [TS]

00:23:20   train for two-and-a-half years in [TS]

00:23:22   martial arts so that he could play [TS]

00:23:23   polities anyway and that's about none of [TS]

00:23:26   this happened no what happened and just [TS]

00:23:28   tell not just recently [TS]

00:23:30   don't tell me about my watch the [TS]

00:23:32   documentary like documentaries like it [TS]

00:23:34   though I think you like it's about a guy [TS]

00:23:35   who's incredibly passionate about [TS]

00:23:38   changing the world but can't get shit [TS]

00:23:39   done [TS]

00:23:40   wow I mean actually erase that is a [TS]

00:23:43   little close to home on 1o0 know [TS]

00:23:50   I you sound dusky you do you do I like [TS]

00:23:54   it though it it makes me feel like you [TS]

00:23:57   know anything that humanizes you a [TS]

00:23:59   little bit Merlin and takes you out of [TS]

00:24:00   the realm of the of the Gods fear right [TS]

00:24:03   you know like it just quit [TS]

00:24:05   I think I speak on behalf of all of your [TS]

00:24:08   fans when I say thank you [TS]

00:24:10   we just put you up yeah up there in [TS]

00:24:12   Valhalla it's complicated because i only [TS]

00:24:16   I i have haha haha haha alike i think [TS]

00:24:20   not across anything it's like when he [TS]

00:24:21   starts to get by having a tongue in your [TS]

00:24:22   mouth while you're eating then you can't [TS]

00:24:23   swallow you know same thing don't think [TS]

00:24:26   you're telling someone else's stone [TS]

00:24:27   never thought that don't start to give [TS]

00:24:28   out your time i'm not gonna start now [TS]

00:24:30   you don't know it's too late to start [TS]

00:24:33   now [TS]

00:24:33   yeah I think I definitely belong in a [TS]

00:24:35   certain pantheon but it's nice to see me [TS]

00:24:37   taking down a peg sometimes yeah I [TS]

00:24:39   really is sometimes you know the [TS]

00:24:40   homeland man it's got a little bit of a [TS]

00:24:41   dusky voice it feels like he's just like [TS]

00:24:44   us just a man i can get sick marinate it [TS]

00:24:47   puts his utility kilt on one opening at [TS]

00:24:50   a time i have been thinking a lot lately [TS]

00:24:55   about I know that this is you know I [TS]

00:24:58   don't like to i don't like to break the [TS]

00:24:59   fourth wall and I'm not gonna do it now [TS]

00:25:01   but I've been thinking a lot lately [TS]

00:25:02   about supertrain oh ok and I feel like a [TS]

00:25:07   I feel like it's some guy I feel like we [TS]

00:25:11   have a week we have not fleshed out the [TS]

00:25:14   that the interim processes processes [TS]

00:25:18   between now and super training right [TS]

00:25:23   people [TS]

00:25:24   people are people are leaping leaping to [TS]

00:25:27   super train and you can't leap to [TS]

00:25:29   supertrain you have to it's a ladder [TS]

00:25:31   right yeah uh I i suppose i mean i think [TS]

00:25:36   i think it's gonna be one of those [TS]

00:25:38   things where it's like hockey stick [TS]

00:25:39   curve right where there's gonna be some [TS]

00:25:40   build-up you don't notice for years and [TS]

00:25:42   by the time you're aware of what's going [TS]

00:25:43   on there's going to be a big fucking [TS]

00:25:45   train going by and we'll see it's late [TS]

00:25:47   but what happens on the hockey stick [TS]

00:25:48   yes that's exactly right and and this is [TS]

00:25:50   and this is the thing like you start to [TS]

00:25:52   see you start see welding helmet says as [TS]

00:25:55   fashion accessories at being pioneered a [TS]

00:25:58   sudden lots of men and cafes are wearing [TS]

00:26:00   terrycloth tangles [TS]

00:26:01   uh-huh and you're just like what's going [TS]

00:26:04   on what is happening around me I'm at [TS]

00:26:06   but it's all you know it's all of a [TS]

00:26:08   piece and you know you know about me [TS]

00:26:13   that I'm always trying to solve the [TS]

00:26:14   homeless problem i'm always i'm always [TS]

00:26:18   trying to revolutionize our mental [TS]

00:26:20   health programs you know I'm just I'm [TS]

00:26:25   trying to make I'm trying to make the [TS]

00:26:27   world a better place if you're always [TS]

00:26:29   you're trying to connect people that's [TS]

00:26:31   right you're trying to help people [TS]

00:26:32   understand the importance of living [TS]

00:26:33   freely in a world of ideas [TS]

00:26:35   that's right that's right i'm trying to [TS]

00:26:37   say you're trying to help the homeless [TS]

00:26:38   problem that sounds good from the [TS]

00:26:39   sometimes I'm trying to I'm trying to [TS]

00:26:41   make up you know pre-k music education [TS]

00:26:45   more equitable on from a social justice [TS]

00:26:47   standpoint but really I'm trying to [TS]

00:26:51   solve the homeless problem and I'm [TS]

00:26:54   trying to you know and I'm trying to [TS]

00:26:56   solve the the the mental health problem [TS]

00:26:59   but that's endemic in America right the [TS]

00:27:02   it's the it's the fallout from one flew [TS]

00:27:05   over the cuckoo's nest we closed we [TS]

00:27:08   closed all the asylums because we didn't [TS]

00:27:10   like nurse ratchet and now uh now [TS]

00:27:15   they're the streets are are crawling [TS]

00:27:17   with people who need more help than [TS]

00:27:19   they're getting and all were doing is [TS]

00:27:22   putting band-aids on it we can't solve [TS]

00:27:24   the we can't solve the problem because [TS]

00:27:26   we have disempowered ourselves [TS]

00:27:29   yeah you know what I'm saying yeah I [TS]

00:27:30   think you you live in san francisco i do [TS]

00:27:33   you know what I'm saying yeah yeah most [TS]

00:27:36   of the most of the band aids are donated [TS]

00:27:37   remember low on literally poop [TS]

00:27:40   everywhere in a man who stands in the [TS]

00:27:42   street throwing rice at Birds [TS]

00:27:44   yeah it is it's his current today's [TS]

00:27:46   headlines if you try to put a bandaid on [TS]

00:27:48   on that guy you're gonna get a face full [TS]

00:27:50   of fucking rice we're going to face full [TS]

00:27:52   of rice and then somebody's gonna then [TS]

00:27:54   you know you're not going to fill out [TS]

00:27:55   the right forms and you know it's going [TS]

00:27:58   to end up being here you're going to end [TS]

00:28:01   up being subpoenaed not like I throwing [TS]

00:28:04   rice at the birds [TS]

00:28:05   yeah oh oh I see I going i try to help i [TS]

00:28:07   lend a helping hand and pretty soon I'm [TS]

00:28:10   the one is being tried to down a [TS]

00:28:11   district court because i forgot to fill [TS]

00:28:13   out there [TS]

00:28:14   that's right that's right you can't just [TS]

00:28:15   go helping people freelance that'll [TS]

00:28:18   teach me [TS]

00:28:18   that'll teach you so what are you [TS]

00:28:20   thinking about what's the interim well [TS]

00:28:22   you know I've always been a proponent of [TS]

00:28:25   so and we just legalized marijuana here [TS]

00:28:28   in Seattle and it feels like we're sort [TS]

00:28:33   of tottering down this row of this road [TS]

00:28:35   where there there were certain [TS]

00:28:38   neighborhoods there's a neighborhood [TS]

00:28:39   that I drive-through on the way home [TS]

00:28:40   that had already appointed itself the [TS]

00:28:43   medical marijuana neighborhood because [TS]

00:28:47   we we pass the medical marijuana law [TS]

00:28:49   several years ago and those dispensaries [TS]

00:28:54   were you know you had to have a card or [TS]

00:28:57   something he had to claim that you had [TS]

00:29:00   glaucoma whatever fuck and then you [TS]

00:29:03   could go into these little like like [TS]

00:29:05   dispensaries that that had green crosses [TS]

00:29:09   that looked like European pharmacies and [TS]

00:29:11   you can get your pot in there but it was [TS]

00:29:12   all still like obviously became like a [TS]

00:29:14   like what like a cross between like a [TS]

00:29:16   government office a methadone clinic in [TS]

00:29:18   a dive bar [TS]

00:29:19   yeah we're like you can just go in there [TS]

00:29:20   and going you know and hey you know dr. [TS]

00:29:23   Nicki this note you know give me my [TS]

00:29:25   matanuska thunderfuck right at but those [TS]

00:29:29   but the log that just legalized pot in [TS]

00:29:32   Washington had all these caveat like it [TS]

00:29:35   couldn't be within 15 miles of a school [TS]

00:29:37   and it couldn't be within a hundred and [TS]

00:29:41   fifty miles of a church or something [TS]

00:29:43   like that and so so somebody made a map [TS]

00:29:48   where they you know they drew they drew [TS]

00:29:49   circles around all the schools and all [TS]

00:29:51   the places that you weren't allowed to [TS]

00:29:53   have a pot dispensary close to and the [TS]

00:29:57   circles all overlap so there were only [TS]

00:29:59   like four tiny little places in the city [TS]

00:30:01   where you could even it we can remotely [TS]

00:30:04   build up a pot store and like two of [TS]

00:30:08   them were at the bottom of a of an iron [TS]

00:30:11   smelter and one of them was in the [TS]

00:30:12   middle of the bay and so so we've got [TS]

00:30:17   these two these neighborhoods that were [TS]

00:30:18   like we're pot dispensary neighborhoods [TS]

00:30:20   and those places still exist and seem to [TS]

00:30:22   be doing a thriving business [TS]

00:30:24   but now we're opening pot legal pot [TS]

00:30:27   stores where it's just any guy can go in [TS]

00:30:29   and get some pot but of course that the [TS]

00:30:32   one there one on Capitol Hill that just [TS]

00:30:34   opened was at turns out next door to a [TS]

00:30:38   church next door to a church with a very [TS]

00:30:41   vocal minister who is having big [TS]

00:30:46   demonstrations in the street that he [TS]

00:30:49   doesn't want why did they put the pot [TS]

00:30:50   store next to our church and answer in [TS]

00:30:55   the internet his estimation because they [TS]

00:30:57   are a black church right and the city [TS]

00:31:01   doesn't give a give a could give a hoot [TS]

00:31:03   and he's like why wouldn't you put this [TS]

00:31:04   wouldn't put this pot store next to be [TS]

00:31:06   episcopal church and in that sense he is [TS]

00:31:09   very right they would not do that but it [TS]

00:31:11   makes me feel like we're trying to we're [TS]

00:31:15   trying to accomplish a kind of a kind of [TS]

00:31:21   distribution of like low levels sin that [TS]

00:31:26   I really feel like would be would be [TS]

00:31:29   better for everybody and more exciting [TS]

00:31:31   certainly if we just concentrated it in [TS]

00:31:34   sin cities like a cross between like a [TS]

00:31:39   strip mall in a stadium or you can you [TS]

00:31:41   get high and buy guns and poor and stuff [TS]

00:31:43   but I feel like I feel like an ass in [TS]

00:31:45   concentration I ass in concentration [TS]

00:31:48   let's say but but let's let's not call [TS]

00:31:51   it a spin concentration camp now that be [TS]

00:31:52   too far but like so so we used to have [TS]

00:31:55   las vegas where a normal person could go [TS]

00:31:59   and it and it seemed like the kind of [TS]

00:32:01   rules were suspended there and it wasn't [TS]

00:32:05   you didn't have to be rich to go there [TS]

00:32:07   you could just be a smile and go to Las [TS]

00:32:09   Vegas and it was any and it was dirty in [TS]

00:32:13   the in the right ways and you could get [TS]

00:32:15   your like you could get your dirty times [TS]

00:32:18   on right but Las Vegas realized that if [TS]

00:32:21   they didn't ified themselves that make [TS]

00:32:24   it bring families there and it and so [TS]

00:32:27   they cleaned up Las Vegas and they made [TS]

00:32:29   the dirty you know they they they put a [TS]

00:32:32   cap on how dirty they would let it be [TS]

00:32:34   like if you want that stuff go downtown [TS]

00:32:37   if you want to be on the main part of [TS]

00:32:38   the strip like you've got a really buck [TS]

00:32:40   up like they are cleaning up the streets [TS]

00:32:42   the cops are there and they're saying [TS]

00:32:43   like they were going to bring in more [TS]

00:32:45   money if we if we make this like pirates [TS]

00:32:46   of the caribbean exactly and then what [TS]

00:32:49   they've also done then is they've raised [TS]

00:32:51   the threshold of dirty so that now [TS]

00:32:53   vaguely dirty stuff mainly gambling and [TS]

00:32:57   drinking and sin and whatever is like [TS]

00:32:59   considered a family activity but as long [TS]

00:33:03   as it's just as long as it doesn't go [TS]

00:33:04   all the way over into like total vice [TS]

00:33:09   right so vegas has compressed the [TS]

00:33:13   spectrum of like allowable dirty and [TS]

00:33:17   that's true kind of in in meatspace all [TS]

00:33:19   around here it's like they've social [TS]

00:33:21   engineered sin right save like they've [TS]

00:33:24   done some kind of like compressor [TS]

00:33:26   limiter where you know you may not be [TS]

00:33:28   able to go out and get like a Peruvian [TS]

00:33:30   dwarf delivered but right if you want to [TS]

00:33:33   go out and let you could bring your kids [TS]

00:33:35   to like a place where he plays an elf [TS]

00:33:38   right right sure or you know he plays an [TS]

00:33:43   elf while Dad is a while Dad is playing [TS]

00:33:46   the slots and mom and smoking cigarettes [TS]

00:33:47   and drinking unlimited watered-down [TS]

00:33:50   drinks and so it's not it's not nice [TS]

00:33:53   there but it's it's it's not enough that [TS]

00:33:56   each did that and I think that is [TS]

00:33:58   driving us you know I I look across the [TS]

00:34:03   street at my neighbor's Skeeter and and [TS]

00:34:05   the head [TS]

00:34:07   vandura or whatever and I'm like these [TS]

00:34:10   guys are chronic alcoholics all they [TS]

00:34:12   want to do is drink and they and the [TS]

00:34:14   city is full of them and are only [TS]

00:34:18   response to people like that is either [TS]

00:34:20   to try and get them help which they [TS]

00:34:23   don't which they don't want or lock them [TS]

00:34:26   up when they when they commit a crime [TS]

00:34:29   but wait for them to commit a crime and [TS]

00:34:31   then we lock him up and what they really [TS]

00:34:33   want is just to be in a place where [TS]

00:34:37   honestly we're drinking all a is [TS]

00:34:41   considered kind of normal and big and [TS]

00:34:45   they can they can stretch you see this [TS]

00:34:46   is public servants well you know they [TS]

00:34:49   construct a kind of mini world for each [TS]

00:34:51   other they glom onto each other words [TS]

00:34:53   like I like to drink all day so do you [TS]

00:34:55   we're not weirdos like it's not I mean [TS]

00:34:58   it's not the best thing but it's not the [TS]

00:35:01   worst you want to concentrate things [TS]

00:35:04   like substance abuse is such an ugly [TS]

00:35:06   word but being able to be fucked up all [TS]

00:35:08   day but that's ok in this neighborhood [TS]

00:35:09   maybe the house is a little bit less [TS]

00:35:12   expensive i think what you're describing [TS]

00:35:14   is a ghetto well but here's the thing if [TS]

00:35:17   someone's gonna elevate it if you make [TS]

00:35:19   it if you if you get it out of town [TS]

00:35:21   right he go out to one of those farm [TS]

00:35:24   towns where all the kids graduated from [TS]

00:35:26   high school and got the fuck out of [TS]

00:35:28   there because the farming had been [TS]

00:35:29   recognized there were no jobs left who [TS]

00:35:32   and dad was like don't leave you know [TS]

00:35:34   who's going to fix the tractor and the [TS]

00:35:36   kids like bye dad I'm going to hollywood [TS]

00:35:38   to be a fucking dancer or whatever and [TS]

00:35:41   so you got these great little towns that [TS]

00:35:43   have 50 square miles of nothing around [TS]

00:35:46   them low occupancy lots of places you [TS]

00:35:48   can move into that's right pick a place [TS]

00:35:50   like that and say alright it's a it's [TS]

00:35:52   kind of a kind of a but free free zone a [TS]

00:35:56   little bit of a border town and you [TS]

00:35:57   combine a kind of burning man aspect to [TS]

00:36:01   it where it's like this is going to be [TS]

00:36:03   more or less a self-governing place and [TS]

00:36:06   there's gonna be a lot of economic [TS]

00:36:08   opportunity here because seriously under [TS]

00:36:13   the under the stewardship of Mayor [TS]

00:36:16   Skeeter right because cigarettes are [TS]

00:36:18   going to be cheap here only around yeah [TS]

00:36:20   you know and we're going to we're going [TS]

00:36:21   to apply a little bit of the like [TS]

00:36:24   independent nation status of Indian [TS]

00:36:26   reservations to this place and we're [TS]

00:36:30   going to give a look at a certain amount [TS]

00:36:31   of autonomy to everything that happens [TS]

00:36:35   within this 50-mile radius of course you [TS]

00:36:36   there still [TS]

00:36:37   you know it's still going to be under [TS]

00:36:39   federal auspices to dissent in the sense [TS]

00:36:43   that you can't murder somebody there [TS]

00:36:44   button but more or less it's going to be [TS]

00:36:49   it's going to be like a spaceport border [TS]

00:36:51   town like a deliberate Deadwood a [TS]

00:36:54   deliberate Deadwood it's a kind of it [TS]

00:36:56   takes a certain kind of pioneer spirit [TS]

00:36:58   do you could go off the grid a little [TS]

00:37:00   bit there's still the grid you know it's [TS]

00:37:02   going to need ways to like you know [TS]

00:37:05   recharge their vaping pens don't know [TS]

00:37:08   absolutely i mean it's still it's a it [TS]

00:37:11   is a muscle is a modern society in most [TS]

00:37:13   most senses [TS]

00:37:14   it's a modern society and and and a and [TS]

00:37:17   you know like normal rules apply in the [TS]

00:37:21   sense that you will be able to buy and [TS]

00:37:22   sell property you will be your credit [TS]

00:37:24   card will work there although there may [TS]

00:37:26   be a certain amount there might there [TS]

00:37:28   may have to be a certain amount of [TS]

00:37:29   special currency [TS]

00:37:31   yeah where you have a reservation script [TS]

00:37:33   yeah where you buy you buy it up at the [TS]

00:37:35   company store script but you know we're [TS]

00:37:37   so fascinated by Deadwood and Game of [TS]

00:37:41   Thrones where we are voyeuristically [TS]

00:37:44   watching societies where there there's [TS]

00:37:50   there's more freedom simply because [TS]

00:37:53   there's less institutional control we [TS]

00:37:56   watch these TV shows and were like oh [TS]

00:37:57   wow you know there's the they appeal to [TS]

00:37:59   us in part because we are romanticizing [TS]

00:38:05   a time when like shit was running in the [TS]

00:38:09   in the gutters right right where [TS]

00:38:11   romantic mean the thing that universe [TS]

00:38:12   when you're watching Game of Thrones the [TS]

00:38:14   thing that you never realize is that [TS]

00:38:15   those Nights Watch guys smell like shit [TS]

00:38:18   right everybody in that show would smell [TS]

00:38:21   like shit and we're watching we're just [TS]

00:38:23   like this just why is this so appealing [TS]

00:38:26   to me and it's appealing because people [TS]

00:38:28   are living by much more basic rules and [TS]

00:38:32   Al's it definitely seems simpler not [TS]

00:38:35   just in like some kind of like Amish [TS]

00:38:37   sense but in the sense it's less [TS]

00:38:38   complicated but I think when people [TS]

00:38:41   fantasize being in those things as with [TS]

00:38:43   people like Ren Faires or whatever not [TS]

00:38:45   run fares but you know I don't know much [TS]

00:38:47   about the Larkin community but like I [TS]

00:38:48   wonder how many people like wanna be bad [TS]

00:38:51   boy [TS]

00:38:53   it must be I want to be the king and [TS]

00:38:54   have the turkey leg [TS]

00:38:56   I you know I think a lot of I think [TS]

00:38:57   there's there's there's a lot of appeal [TS]

00:38:59   to being just a just a wench you know [TS]

00:39:03   what I mean simply topics simpler times [TS]

00:39:06   because business when shaming well and [TS]

00:39:08   you also have no responsibilities and [TS]

00:39:11   that's what Skeeter is looking for [TS]

00:39:13   that's what so many people in the city [TS]

00:39:15   are looking for and they want to have no [TS]

00:39:18   responsibilities and we're already as a [TS]

00:39:20   society spending tens hundreds of [TS]

00:39:24   millions of dollars sending sending out [TS]

00:39:29   the paramedics every 10 days when [TS]

00:39:34   Skeeter thinks he's having a heart [TS]

00:39:36   attack and we are you pouring money into [TS]

00:39:40   social services and these guys are kind [TS]

00:39:43   of you know they're on parole for their [TS]

00:39:45   pot bust and so they have to come in [TS]

00:39:48   every ten days and doing your analysis [TS]

00:39:50   test all right you got to go to the the [TS]

00:39:52   parole officer you gotta pay for the [TS]

00:39:53   ankle thing like a lot of cost to [TS]

00:39:56   society a ton of cost to society where [TS]

00:40:00   we're not going to see one of those [TS]

00:40:01   ankle monitors on Game of Thrones thanks [TS]

00:40:04   oh no you either have ankle chains and [TS]

00:40:06   you're in a dungeon you're looking at a [TS]

00:40:08   foot and somebody's playing you or your [TS]

00:40:11   running free covered with shit yeah [TS]

00:40:13   which is how we're meant to be and I [TS]

00:40:15   just I feel like if there was a way that [TS]

00:40:16   we could just reinvention it a little [TS]

00:40:20   bit where we say we're spending these [TS]

00:40:21   resources already and so on behalf of [TS]

00:40:25   Society we're going to open ass in town [TS]

00:40:28   in every state every state we already [TS]

00:40:32   have a we already have a state prison in [TS]

00:40:34   every state [TS]

00:40:35   let's open a states in town where it's [TS]

00:40:39   subsidized like housing is subsidized [TS]

00:40:44   for for certain you know certain [TS]

00:40:46   percentage of the people and it's just a [TS]

00:40:48   place where you can go and kind of stay [TS]

00:40:51   fucked up if you want and you can go and [TS]

00:40:54   just you know the normal rules don't [TS]

00:40:58   apply the expectation the decorum rules [TS]

00:41:01   are different [TS]

00:41:02   and you just get to go be your your your [TS]

00:41:05   dirty dog you get to be a mud duck there [TS]

00:41:08   and people there will be people that go [TS]

00:41:13   there on the weekend but there will be [TS]

00:41:15   people that choose to live there and [TS]

00:41:18   it's not it's not a situation where you [TS]

00:41:20   were bussing people there it's just a [TS]

00:41:22   situation where it's like hey guess what [TS]

00:41:24   over there like outside of soap lake now [TS]

00:41:26   in Washington there's a town where you [TS]

00:41:28   can do whatever the fuck you want it [TS]

00:41:29   combines so many elements of classic [TS]

00:41:31   American history and society I mean it's [TS]

00:41:35   a little bit like Pleasure Island from [TS]

00:41:37   the nokia oh it's just be honest it's a [TS]

00:41:39   little bit like a jail [TS]

00:41:40   it's kind of like a ghetto I'm sort of [TS]

00:41:42   like an enforced Las Vegas what it is [TS]

00:41:44   it's up it's a frontier [TS]

00:41:46   mmm frontier it is a it is an artificial [TS]

00:41:50   frontier because we have run out of [TS]

00:41:53   frontiers now you're talking [TS]

00:41:55   alright official frontier I guess what [TS]

00:41:57   you guys we found a new frontier that's [TS]

00:41:59   why we should totally live there on the [TS]

00:42:00   new frontier when they play a lot of [TS]

00:42:06   Donald thing and still can't hear you [TS]

00:42:08   kidding me of course they will you'll be [TS]

00:42:10   playing Donald Fagen everywhere at least [TS]

00:42:12   a bus ride there but you know like when [TS]

00:42:14   I when I think about going to Burning [TS]

00:42:15   Man which I every year think about for [TS]

00:42:18   one and a half minutes but the appeal of [TS]

00:42:21   going to burning man is like right these [TS]

00:42:25   are utopians and they have created a [TS]

00:42:28   frontier like society and it's a new [TS]

00:42:31   frontier right it's not there the the [TS]

00:42:34   it's it is a kind of anything goes with [TS]

00:42:38   an eye to the future and I know that the [TS]

00:42:41   people that run burning man and think [TS]

00:42:43   about burning man and a part of that [TS]

00:42:44   culture are trying to imagine a way to [TS]

00:42:47   make a burning man town they wanted [TS]

00:42:50   desperately [TS]

00:42:51   oh I see what you're saying like the [TS]

00:42:54   people that are running burning man i [TS]

00:42:55   know for a fact are driving through [TS]

00:42:57   Winnemucca Nevada and thinking how hard [TS]

00:43:00   I can't be like this all the time right [TS]

00:43:03   how hard would it be if we just came in [TS]

00:43:04   to winnemucca and just took it over [TS]

00:43:07   like the people that are in winnemucca [TS]

00:43:09   right now are gonna be like the are [TS]

00:43:11   going to be like the the Lumberjacks and [TS]

00:43:13   the autoworkers in the eighties and then [TS]

00:43:15   be like wait a minute you can't just [TS]

00:43:17   never there will be like the [TS]

00:43:18   Palestinians probably you can't just [TS]

00:43:19   come in here and take our land and so in [TS]

00:43:22   this book and then the women's will be [TS]

00:43:24   like this is the land that our [TS]

00:43:26   forefathers gave us and there will be an [TS]

00:43:28   amazing [TS]

00:43:29   there'll be a little will be an amazing [TS]

00:43:30   little intractable a war nobody said it [TS]

00:43:35   was gonna be easy to move out to the new [TS]

00:43:36   frontier huh [TS]

00:43:38   but that's you know they the burning man [TS]

00:43:40   people are they are really i swear i [TS]

00:43:42   feel it in the I feel it vibrating in [TS]

00:43:44   the air they want to now build a [TS]

00:43:47   civilization and really every state [TS]

00:43:50   should have one right the thing the [TS]

00:43:54   thing is that with the one of the many [TS]

00:43:56   ways that burning man is like Las Vegas [TS]

00:43:58   is you get to look forward to going you [TS]

00:44:00   get to be this of certain version of [TS]

00:44:03   yourself that you're kind of excited [TS]

00:44:04   about for a while and then you get to [TS]

00:44:05   leave one thing i love nothing makes me [TS]

00:44:09   happier than driving to the airport in [TS]

00:44:10   Las Vegas because i'm so fucking I'm and [TS]

00:44:13   told us before like I like for the first [TS]

00:44:15   hour i'm in Las Vegas like it's the best [TS]

00:44:17   thing I've ever done in my life [TS]

00:44:19   the first night they're pretty fun but [TS]

00:44:21   after like maybe two and a half days I'm [TS]

00:44:23   really ready to leave [TS]

00:44:25   I can't stand las vegas i cant when I [TS]

00:44:27   see the lights of Las Vegas leaving in [TS]

00:44:29   the distance I my heart starts to be [TS]

00:44:31   faster and I'm just like please please [TS]

00:44:33   God let me get through this town without [TS]

00:44:35   starting smoking against oh god it's [TS]

00:44:37   like the civic version of a vagina [TS]

00:44:39   dentata its just sitting there waiting [TS]

00:44:41   for you [TS]

00:44:41   we were there by my daughter's first [TS]

00:44:43   birthday we had that we had to go [TS]

00:44:44   through a smoky casino to get to our [TS]

00:44:46   room and remember that this doesn't seem [TS]

00:44:47   wholesome bellagio it's a nice place you [TS]

00:44:49   got to go through the casino to get to [TS]

00:44:51   the hotel griffou of course it was [TS]

00:44:53   impossible you can't see any signs [TS]

00:44:55   there's no clocks it's very dark [TS]

00:44:56   everybody's wearing a wearing fucking [TS]

00:44:58   cut off and taking a giant cups m4 [TS]

00:45:00   slight but I'm but you and I are the [TS]

00:45:03   type of people who would go to our our [TS]

00:45:05   state's in city our frontier town if you [TS]

00:45:09   will [TS]

00:45:10   we would go there for a weekend and that [TS]

00:45:12   would be like [TS]

00:45:13   I'm not sure but it's okay to just stop [TS]

00:45:14   in for or maybe you know I would be open [TS]

00:45:16   i don't know if they have anything that [TS]

00:45:18   I can share with them any wisdom but I [TS]

00:45:19   would be very happy to go in and and be [TS]

00:45:22   some kind of an adjunct professor in [TS]

00:45:23   pioneertown what's called new frontier [TS]

00:45:25   yeah yeah yeah whatever man that you [TS]

00:45:27   know each state could name their own [TS]

00:45:29   frontier technically regional like a [TS]

00:45:30   sports ball team but you know you think [TS]

00:45:32   about all the people like I have been [TS]

00:45:34   over the years radicalized in terms of [TS]

00:45:37   being an advocate for sex workers right [TS]

00:45:40   you you meet enough people you know [TS]

00:45:42   that's good for you [TS]

00:45:43   well you know I mean I look grew up on [TS]

00:45:45   Capitol Hill here where a lot of the [TS]

00:45:47   people I knew and some of the people [TS]

00:45:50   that I was in relationships with were [TS]

00:45:51   also in the sex trades and and hearing [TS]

00:45:57   them talk about it i mean it's it's [TS]

00:45:58   obviously very complicated and everybody [TS]

00:46:00   has their own path through it [TS]

00:46:03   mr. Riley not very sympathetic well [TS]

00:46:06   because there are because the people who [TS]

00:46:08   want to live in virtue city cannot even [TS]

00:46:12   abide the idea that it's happening [TS]

00:46:14   somewhere anywhere in the world right on [TS]

00:46:17   my backyard and so I mean so sin city [TS]

00:46:21   would not just be a place where people [TS]

00:46:23   would go and be chronic alcoholics it [TS]

00:46:25   would be a place where all kinds of [TS]

00:46:27   commerce was happening that the city of [TS]

00:46:30   seattle for years and years said you [TS]

00:46:32   cannot have a titty bar that also serves [TS]

00:46:35   alcohol if you're going to have dancing [TS]

00:46:38   I remember that you have to drink pepsi [TS]

00:46:40   cola had to buy like a twenty-dollar [TS]

00:46:41   pepsi we have to buy twenty-dollar pepsi [TS]

00:46:43   and then you know and and it's just like [TS]

00:46:46   coming from Alaska of course where [TS]

00:46:48   alcohol and naked dancing was maybe the [TS]

00:46:54   after oral and fish maybe the third [TS]

00:46:56   biggest economic driver that's [TS]

00:46:59   unfortunate [TS]

00:47:00   that's right oil fish air but you know [TS]

00:47:07   in Seattle this was a way to try and [TS]

00:47:08   keep our neighborhood safe or whatever [TS]

00:47:10   and it's just like come on e here you're [TS]

00:47:15   here nanny stating yourself into a [TS]

00:47:17   situation where we're just here rich is [TS]

00:47:21   being ridiculous and so anyway sin city [TS]

00:47:25   since ye pioneer [TS]

00:47:26   town just don't do it over the mountains [TS]

00:47:29   so just over there just for the right [TS]

00:47:30   way just a little bit like a landfill [TS]

00:47:32   though right you want to far enough away [TS]

00:47:33   that you can't like you have to deal [TS]

00:47:35   with it and smell it [TS]

00:47:36   well but and that works that works for [TS]

00:47:38   both parties right yes finally we're [TS]

00:47:40   getting buff or they get a buffer from [TS]

00:47:41   the normals right it's not gonna be [TS]

00:47:43   popping in to make sure you don't have [TS]

00:47:44   bedbugs [TS]

00:47:45   yeah and you can somewhat control access [TS]

00:47:48   by virtue of it just being a little bit [TS]

00:47:51   off the beaten path you you could [TS]

00:47:53   protect the citizens by having like a [TS]

00:47:54   wall around it may be a giant wall [TS]

00:47:57   yeah maybe he's a giant wall with we [TS]

00:48:00   have some delightful searchlights [TS]

00:48:03   searchlights and bway that families [TS]

00:48:05   could share housing Emily got lots to [TS]

00:48:09   recommend it haha him and then a bit but [TS]

00:48:12   the the adjunct to that who is that [TS]

00:48:15   every town should have for every state i [TS]

00:48:19   think should have a kind of arcada where [TS]

00:48:24   I don't think I know what that is [TS]

00:48:28   um garden turn arcadia I guess there's [TS]

00:48:33   an eye on that word [TS]

00:48:34   it's ok i like arcade is a great name [TS]

00:48:36   for the community arcade is pretty nice [TS]

00:48:37   but I want without any one of them would [TS]

00:48:39   be in arcadium i think i'm talking about [TS]

00:48:42   a place maybe that was a former convent [TS]

00:48:45   or perhaps even a former mental [TS]

00:48:50   institution hot that is now repurposed [TS]

00:48:54   as a mental institution a place on adult [TS]

00:49:00   conversations with some rolling hills a [TS]

00:49:03   calm resp aight where people who are [TS]

00:49:08   troubled can go live and be under a [TS]

00:49:15   doctor's care [TS]

00:49:16   I can't believe no one's ever thought of [TS]

00:49:17   these books right right well it's kind [TS]

00:49:18   of a novel idea that's a very modern [TS]

00:49:20   take on an old problem [TS]

00:49:22   yeah at a place where people who are [TS]

00:49:25   struggling to live amongst other people [TS]

00:49:28   who can go have a have a break that's [TS]

00:49:32   coming college from the stresses of [TS]

00:49:33   that's right from the stresses of modern [TS]

00:49:36   life and and benefit from all the new [TS]

00:49:38   developments that we [TS]

00:49:39   made in psychopharmacology John there's [TS]

00:49:41   so many expectations from other people [TS]

00:49:43   you don't get to pick other people's [TS]

00:49:45   expectations and that's the problem with [TS]

00:49:47   the expectation town it's a place where [TS]

00:49:49   nobody expects you to fucking exactly [TS]

00:49:52   this is and and I feel like there's some [TS]

00:49:54   kind of of like Quaker Protestant idea [TS]

00:50:00   that runs through America where we [TS]

00:50:03   expect everybody to fucking do something [TS]

00:50:06   and there are some people that we should [TS]

00:50:10   just not expect anything okay [TS]

00:50:13   they get to go live in arcadium kalyan [TS]

00:50:15   where where is my chair [TS]

00:50:18   yeah have not made a chair father up not [TS]

00:50:20   going to arcadium why is that there's a [TS]

00:50:23   hole in the bucket [TS]

00:50:24   fuck you haha i got a thought technology [TS]

00:50:28   on this and this is this is where super [TS]

00:50:30   old fashioned Midwestern Merlin comes [TS]

00:50:33   out but yeah she's a thing it's like a [TS]

00:50:35   high-level imagine Berlin what is straw [TS]

00:50:37   hat is gonna happen whether overalls [TS]

00:50:42   with one strap hanging and time was make [TS]

00:50:46   a living in institutions to shalour e [TS]

00:50:48   that's the only place in which a person [TS]

00:50:51   could legitimately be named Merlin what [TS]

00:50:56   you are what you gonna name your boy [TS]

00:50:58   killed me don't make no chairs up [TS]

00:51:00   thinking Merlin hears nothing I i have [TS]

00:51:03   to say i'm very interested with one of [TS]

00:51:05   the civic ideas then on the face of it [TS]

00:51:07   100% makes sense but i'm not sure stands [TS]

00:51:10   to reason and that's what you're [TS]

00:51:11   describing here which is let's call it [TS]

00:51:13   the radius problem [TS]

00:51:14   ok so like for example if you're a [TS]

00:51:17   registered sex offender in california [TS]

00:51:19   which for which you can be on that list [TS]

00:51:20   you know this do you know you can be [TS]

00:51:22   registered sex offender if you were [TS]

00:51:24   convicted of public urination wall [TS]

00:51:27   really it's a thing yeah what are you [TS]

00:51:28   going to maps and find out a registered [TS]

00:51:31   sex offender in California again is [TS]

00:51:33   George Michael a registered sex offender [TS]

00:51:35   in california i think i'm not a jurist [TS]

00:51:37   but i'm pretty sure they just went ahead [TS]

00:51:39   and put them on the list everywhere just [TS]

00:51:40   as a precaution i think they have a [TS]

00:51:41   basic kind of filler list [TS]

00:51:43   whenever they're starting up a program [TS]

00:51:44   like that i don't know this is Megan's [TS]

00:51:45   Law thing here is almost say about this [TS]

00:51:47   is that you can go and like look at a [TS]

00:51:48   map now in a neighborhood and find out [TS]

00:51:50   where with pictures and addresses like [TS]

00:51:52   we're registered [TS]

00:51:53   sex offenders live and I think in this [TS]

00:51:55   way you're describing may be the perfect [TS]

00:51:57   place to start with this example but [TS]

00:51:58   you're not allowed to live within so [TS]

00:52:01   many feet of a school with a so many [TS]

00:52:04   feet you in this case you're saying okay [TS]

00:52:05   you can have this funny bunny pot [TS]

00:52:07   dispensary like that can't be too near [TS]

00:52:09   at church camp me what about guns can [TS]

00:52:11   buy guys oh no you can have a gun deck [TS]

00:52:12   have guns that are too near school you [TS]

00:52:15   can I don't and so on and so forth [TS]

00:52:16   there's all kinds of things like this [TS]

00:52:18   liquor stores all of those different [TS]

00:52:20   things and I don't have an answer to [TS]

00:52:21   this but but we'll go to my mind is like [TS]

00:52:23   um I think almost anything [TS]

00:52:27   excluding the part people who have to [TS]

00:52:29   find some place to live but like you [TS]

00:52:31   know for all of those things like the [TS]

00:52:35   idea that like there's some places where [TS]

00:52:37   it's ok for these things easier is the [TS]

00:52:40   problem there's either a problem with [TS]

00:52:41   the idea the church's can't shouldn't [TS]

00:52:43   what is the problem of churches having [TS]

00:52:44   guns nearby if we like guns as a society [TS]

00:52:47   why the fuck can't we be selling them [TS]

00:52:48   everywhere if we like pot why can't we [TS]

00:52:50   ever i think it's very indicative of [TS]

00:52:52   something that is a real on the bubble [TS]

00:52:54   kind of issue right it's not something [TS]

00:52:56   that's going to be illegal but it's not [TS]

00:52:57   something that's super legal it's not [TS]

00:52:59   something you can just do everywhere and [TS]

00:53:01   i think it's interesting when you look [TS]

00:53:02   at whether that's that's titty bars or [TS]

00:53:04   gambling or any of that stuff it's [TS]

00:53:05   interesting to me how you decide to [TS]

00:53:07   parse what's allowed to be near that and [TS]

00:53:09   maybe there are new angles here maybe we [TS]

00:53:11   can find out the church people actually [TS]

00:53:12   super into guns but they don't want the [TS]

00:53:14   pot maybe you could do something like [TS]

00:53:15   carbon offset credits where you can move [TS]

00:53:17   your things someplace else you can do a [TS]

00:53:18   trade with one of the other [TS]

00:53:19   neighborhoods [TS]

00:53:20   I'm not saying we shouldn't do [TS]

00:53:22   frontierville but i think it's very [TS]

00:53:23   interesting to go like well you know [TS]

00:53:24   there's some stuff that like almost [TS]

00:53:26   nobody wants in their backyard and maybe [TS]

00:53:28   that's when your backyard really [TS]

00:53:29   literally becomes arcadium and all we [TS]

00:53:31   have the gun stores in the city bars and [TS]

00:53:32   you just go out there on kind of like a [TS]

00:53:34   chartered bus but i'm very interested in [TS]

00:53:36   anything with a radius because to me [TS]

00:53:38   that shows ambivalence about whether [TS]

00:53:39   it's a good idea at all well and I think [TS]

00:53:42   lots [TS]

00:53:43   no I think you have think you hit the [TS]

00:53:45   nail on the head that if you surveyed [TS]

00:53:49   the entire population of any size city [TS]

00:53:52   you would find that the number of [TS]

00:53:55   behaviors that passed muster with every [TS]

00:53:58   single person were incredibly small [TS]

00:54:00   because they're going to be people in [TS]

00:54:03   one part of town who think that [TS]

00:54:05   discipline your kid [TS]

00:54:06   with the ruler is an essential part of [TS]

00:54:09   the the way that you conduct business [TS]

00:54:11   and they're like that's a complicated [TS]

00:54:13   Venn diagram like what are the three [TS]

00:54:15   things that everybody thinks should be [TS]

00:54:16   legal all the time everywhere [TS]

00:54:18   yeah there are people who are there are [TS]

00:54:19   people who take their shoes off on the [TS]

00:54:21   bus there are people who think people [TS]

00:54:22   who take their shoes off on the bus [TS]

00:54:23   should be in jail [TS]

00:54:24   there are people that talk on the phone [TS]

00:54:27   in restaurants there are people who [TS]

00:54:28   think that those people should be in [TS]

00:54:29   jail and when you when you get down to [TS]

00:54:31   the to the nitty-gritty of what we all [TS]

00:54:33   agree on [TS]

00:54:35   it's like beats the shit out of me [TS]

00:54:38   frankly I mean there's always somebody [TS]

00:54:40   in any situation who is offended and [TS]

00:54:43   these big picture things like drinking [TS]

00:54:45   guns sex or whatever I mean they are [TS]

00:54:48   their polarizing drugs something sexy [TS]

00:54:54   for money whether it's pornography or [TS]

00:54:56   Handy's or whatever [TS]

00:54:58   what are the other kinds of things well [TS]

00:55:01   I mean most American cities i don't know [TS]

00:55:05   if you've ever been to UM to anywhere in [TS]

00:55:09   Oklahoma now but you go to these towns [TS]

00:55:14   in Oklahoma and there are six hundred [TS]

00:55:17   churches starting you know starting back [TS]

00:55:21   in 1910 they were building churches [TS]

00:55:23   everywhere church it a denomination has [TS]

00:55:27   25 different venues you could it would [TS]

00:55:30   you just within the just with the center [TS]

00:55:32   of town you know and that is a that is [TS]

00:55:37   that was a very like aggressive effort [TS]

00:55:40   to build the physical plant of this [TS]

00:55:42   place and say like this is churchtown [TS]

00:55:46   and yeah there's not going to be room [TS]

00:55:49   for bars here you can't just you can't [TS]

00:55:52   drive down the street without seeing a [TS]

00:55:55   church everywhere you look and that is [TS]

00:55:57   going to be our method of keeping [TS]

00:55:59   everybody on the straight and narrow [TS]

00:56:00   right keep going keep driving you stop [TS]

00:56:02   right here but there are you know there [TS]

00:56:04   are other towns uh you know that that [TS]

00:56:07   the that the one in in Iowa that Harvey [TS]

00:56:11   danger ended their their last great tour [TS]

00:56:14   in where it was just liquor stores and [TS]

00:56:17   titty bars [TS]

00:56:18   and across the river the town was all [TS]

00:56:21   churches they were way ahead of the [TS]

00:56:23   curve on this so that yet so the two [TS]

00:56:25   towns like you know had this at this [TS]

00:56:27   back and forth like churches bars liquor [TS]

00:56:31   stores and I mean we're always playing [TS]

00:56:35   were always playing these games with [TS]

00:56:37   ourselves but the solution always seems [TS]

00:56:40   to be that we compress in a las [TS]

00:56:44   vegas-style we can we can we use a [TS]

00:56:46   compressor limiter on what we think is [TS]

00:56:49   allowed and then that is that's the way [TS]

00:56:54   that we're going to find peace with each [TS]

00:56:56   other where we're going to let we're [TS]

00:56:58   going to let everything get a little bit [TS]

00:57:00   dirty to appease the people who want to [TS]

00:57:02   just live how they want to live but [TS]

00:57:04   we're going to put a limit on how dirty [TS]

00:57:06   they can be to appease the people who [TS]

00:57:09   think that none of us should be able to [TS]

00:57:10   get away with anything and it's not [TS]

00:57:12   working but it's not actually creating a [TS]

00:57:16   city where people feel like we have [TS]

00:57:21   shared values you know why because it's [TS]

00:57:22   almost like don't ask don't tell which [TS]

00:57:25   to somebody seem like a really good idea [TS]

00:57:26   in the 90s but really it's really [TS]

00:57:29   unsatisfying to everyone involved [TS]

00:57:31   because what you're describing it in Las [TS]

00:57:33   Vegas is like you can get away with some [TS]

00:57:36   stuff here but we want to make sure [TS]

00:57:38   nobody who doesn't want to see it sees [TS]

00:57:41   it like there should not be obvious like [TS]

00:57:44   sex worker people you know walking [TS]

00:57:46   around here there shouldn't be people [TS]

00:57:47   hanging out on the streets because they [TS]

00:57:49   blew all our money on gambling like this [TS]

00:57:50   has to look above board right so if you [TS]

00:57:53   can do that thanks years at the Bellagio [TS]

00:57:55   and say hey my daughter's turning one I [TS]

00:57:57   want to show her a good time [TS]

00:57:59   it's not like i'm really into a lady's [TS]

00:58:03   that dress like elephants you've got any [TS]

00:58:05   of those you gotta do something like [TS]

00:58:06   that your rolodex and he says mmm [TS]

00:58:09   well I'm gonna get Jumbo's the idea the [TS]

00:58:15   idea that was a put you know put out [TS]

00:58:20   there in the nineties by the by the [TS]

00:58:23   Aryan Nations that somewhere in North [TS]

00:58:26   Idaho they wanted to construct a white [TS]

00:58:29   homeland and it was so disgusting to us [TS]

00:58:34   as a culture these guys that were up [TS]

00:58:36   there trying to create a white homeland [TS]

00:58:38   in North Idaho that we we really devoted [TS]

00:58:42   a lot of resources in terms of FBI and [TS]

00:58:45   just culturally you know they took up a [TS]

00:58:47   lot of bandwidth for a couple dollars [TS]

00:58:49   the kind of like the people who became [TS]

00:58:50   the kind of weather was the phrase they [TS]

00:58:54   used to use the compound people like [TS]

00:58:55   that exactly right that will work on a [TS]

00:58:57   branch davidian kind of feeling and the [TS]

00:59:00   the hayden lake a white supremacist [TS]

00:59:03   gangs and we really really busted those [TS]

00:59:06   people down and in some cases like [TS]

00:59:09   burned their compounds and killed them [TS]

00:59:12   by the hundred thanks Janet me now [TS]

00:59:13   because because you know we have these [TS]

00:59:17   echoes of the Confederacy or whatever [TS]

00:59:20   you're not allowed to [TS]

00:59:21   you're not allowed to secede from the [TS]

00:59:23   United States but there is this [TS]

00:59:29   tremendous desire for for their to still [TS]

00:59:32   be a frontier like that's really in our [TS]

00:59:35   DNA we want to be able to go out to the [TS]

00:59:39   edge of town and do whatever the fuck we [TS]

00:59:41   want [TS]

00:59:41   and until very recently I mean I'm very [TS]

00:59:44   very recently throughout all of human [TS]

00:59:47   history there was always a place for you [TS]

00:59:51   to go where you could go to the edge of [TS]

00:59:54   town and still be considered a citizen [TS]

00:59:57   right he weren't you [TS]

00:59:57   right he weren't you [TS]

01:00:00   you lived out kind of by your own rules [TS]

01:00:03   on the frontier but when you came back [TS]

01:00:06   to town you weren't considered a [TS]

01:00:08   criminal right and that that that [TS]

01:00:12   territory is gone now I like even in [TS]

01:00:16   Alaska right i mean i suppose if you [TS]

01:00:18   went out to Siberia or you went up the [TS]

01:00:22   Amazon or something you could find a [TS]

01:00:23   place where you could be your own person [TS]

01:00:25   and come back to town and be if you are [TS]

01:00:27   willing to go somewhere where there [TS]

01:00:28   wasn't a road I don't know why this [TS]

01:00:30   makes you think this back in Tallahassee [TS]

01:00:31   it seemed like about every year or so [TS]

01:00:33   the city moved out about two miles in [TS]

01:00:35   one direction or another and whenever [TS]

01:00:37   long as you say the arterioles so you [TS]

01:00:39   know you could go another mile of [TS]

01:00:41   thomasville road and there weren't any [TS]

01:00:42   public sees anymore and there weren't [TS]

01:00:43   more lights but if you really want to go [TS]

01:00:45   beyond your own you're gonna have to go [TS]

01:00:46   to Georgia and go down a dirt road huh [TS]

01:00:49   right but eventually like within five [TS]

01:00:51   years you would be living in the city [TS]

01:00:52   because where you are now like people [TS]

01:00:54   have moved past that now the new [TS]

01:00:55   pioneers have created someone just some [TS]

01:00:57   response but beyond that now you're in [TS]

01:00:59   just another suburb [TS]

01:01:00   yeah people keep company and and we [TS]

01:01:02   liked it we think of we think of people [TS]

01:01:04   that are out on the fringe as wanting to [TS]

01:01:07   be away from people but in fact there [TS]

01:01:11   there there is a whole component of [TS]

01:01:13   human beings who want to both be out on [TS]

01:01:17   the fringe living more or less by their [TS]

01:01:20   own rules but not away from people they [TS]

01:01:22   want to come in and go to the bar they [TS]

01:01:25   want to be a part of the of a culture [TS]

01:01:29   and the culture even you know they they [TS]

01:01:32   are they wanted to play with others but [TS]

01:01:35   they also want to go kind of make their [TS]

01:01:38   own way [TS]

01:01:39   yeah you know in some ways we've gotten [TS]

01:01:41   that in a backwards way with air travel [TS]

01:01:43   or you know the idea that you could fly [TS]

01:01:45   to somewhere and be away from your [TS]

01:01:46   family and under your family's I but you [TS]

01:01:48   could still get back home it's just it [TS]

01:01:50   used to be if you made that decision to [TS]

01:01:51   tell me if I'm wrong used to be if you [TS]

01:01:53   made that decision it was a lot harder [TS]

01:01:54   to go back right or you had to you know [TS]

01:01:57   they're there were all kinds of look you [TS]

01:02:00   couldn't go back to st. Louis and and [TS]

01:02:02   move back to your family's house but if [TS]

01:02:05   you went out to Oregon [TS]

01:02:06   you could you know if there was still [TS]

01:02:10   there was still somebody who knew how to [TS]

01:02:12   play the piano in oregon right it wasn't [TS]

01:02:15   like you had gone and we're living in a [TS]

01:02:18   house made a bark or even if you were [TS]

01:02:21   you could you could take a cut you can [TS]

01:02:23   take your horse in and hear somebody [TS]

01:02:25   play the piano and we have started [TS]

01:02:29   thinking of everybody who wants to live [TS]

01:02:31   outside as being cool kind of criminal [TS]

01:02:35   and work we've we've criminalized in a [TS]

01:02:41   way the desire to to not to not live [TS]

01:02:47   according to that you know that this [TS]

01:02:49   like minutiae law that we are that we're [TS]

01:02:52   all sort of like little by little [TS]

01:02:55   acquiescing to it definitely makes you [TS]

01:02:57   seem suspicious [TS]

01:02:58   it makes you seem suspicious and and [TS]

01:03:00   what we're not recognizing I guess what [TS]

01:03:02   we do recognize in some part of [TS]

01:03:04   ourselves is that all the big laws are [TS]

01:03:06   taking care of right we've got the we've [TS]

01:03:09   got the the structure of the law now [TS]

01:03:12   that we really don't have um we don't [TS]

01:03:21   have any gaps in what what the the law [TS]

01:03:24   stipulates except when new technology [TS]

01:03:28   invents a new situation where it's like [TS]

01:03:29   oh we kind of do need a new law to [TS]

01:03:31   govern this because it didn't exist [TS]

01:03:33   before but because lawmaking and [TS]

01:03:38   law-enforcing is such a massive business [TS]

01:03:40   where we're constantly making new laws [TS]

01:03:45   smaller and smaller laws governing [TS]

01:03:48   smaller and smaller little pockets of [TS]

01:03:51   behavior and everybody is not so [TS]

01:03:55   different from chris anderson's longtail [TS]

01:03:57   idea you know when you hear things about [TS]

01:03:59   whatever civil forfeiture or about you [TS]

01:04:02   know that the modern equivalent of [TS]

01:04:03   debtors prison for people getting all [TS]

01:04:05   these fines [TS]

01:04:06   it's like if you you pile up enough for [TS]

01:04:08   those two hundred-dollar fines and you [TS]

01:04:09   can run a pretty good small town [TS]

01:04:11   oh for sure I mean you drop's like the [TS]

01:04:13   speed traps in Florida there's towns [TS]

01:04:15   which is run on [TS]

01:04:16   nothing but stopping people on 75 for [TS]

01:04:18   going you know 80 miles an hour [TS]

01:04:20   yeah because they put up a sign that [TS]

01:04:21   says for the next 14 miles the speed is [TS]

01:04:23   45 miles an hour and you're just driving [TS]

01:04:25   along at at highway speeds and it's like [TS]

01:04:27   oh I didn't see the tiny sign that said [TS]

01:04:30   it was a 45 miles now that is really [TS]

01:04:31   real I mean it's there are places like I [TS]

01:04:33   think about going maybe your gainesville [TS]

01:04:35   a place you i'm sure you've been through [TS]

01:04:37   these places where it goes from 65 235 [TS]

01:04:40   yeah like in less than a mile and the [TS]

01:04:42   sign is like a hidden behind a dairy [TS]

01:04:44   queen [TS]

01:04:45   yeah a West Texas the best Texas keeps [TS]

01:04:48   the lights on by the same method but [TS]

01:04:50   it's not just that it's that it's also [TS]

01:04:52   the desire that we have even on top of [TS]

01:04:56   the laws that are being made [TS]

01:04:58   I mean when you think about all the [TS]

01:04:59   constituencies in America who are like [TS]

01:05:01   there should be a law there should be a [TS]

01:05:03   law that prohibits people from spanking [TS]

01:05:05   their kids there should be a law that [TS]

01:05:07   prohibits people from ya from teaching [TS]

01:05:11   astrology there should be a law that [TS]

01:05:15   prohibits this amendment you're [TS]

01:05:17   mentioning abortion as an option right [TS]

01:05:19   we're all trying to add more and more [TS]

01:05:22   laws to what is already like a spiderweb [TS]

01:05:26   of laws because it's just it feels good [TS]

01:05:29   to do it and we want to we want to limit [TS]

01:05:31   everybody else and we want to we want to [TS]

01:05:34   create the utopia that that that [TS]

01:05:36   comports with our mind the best and so [TS]

01:05:39   where where Lee you and I and all of us [TS]

01:05:42   are surrendering everyday a little bit [TS]

01:05:44   more of what would be the work of what [TS]

01:05:48   is essentially adult autonomy to this [TS]

01:05:51   like convoluted set of law every time [TS]

01:05:54   you click accept on a apple on itunes a [TS]

01:05:58   legal document it's just like I don't [TS]

01:06:01   know what I just accepted and I don't [TS]

01:06:02   give a fuck and that's happening in [TS]

01:06:04   every aspect of our lives like but [TS]

01:06:07   protect you know like the whole idea [TS]

01:06:08   that the the whole debate about gay [TS]

01:06:12   marriage is just like with this is adult [TS]

01:06:14   autonomy this should not even be I mean [TS]

01:06:16   it's a common thing to say but [TS]

01:06:18   why are we even find amusing wasn't that [TS]

01:06:20   long ago and so that's right and and and [TS]

01:06:24   you know and the law like where we are [TS]

01:06:28   we are debating the law where we're [TS]

01:06:32   discovering new truths in the law and [TS]

01:06:35   that is that's a constant process and [TS]

01:06:38   that will always be how we evolve but [TS]

01:06:41   that but adding new laws is another it's [TS]

01:06:45   it's a game that where it's a game that [TS]

01:06:48   we can't win right and you and I both [TS]

01:06:51   feel every day and I think everybody [TS]

01:06:53   that probably listen to our program [TS]

01:06:55   feels that there are certain laws that [TS]

01:06:57   we are empowered to ignore in the course [TS]

01:06:59   of a day right there are certain things [TS]

01:07:01   where it's like yeah okay sure [TS]

01:07:05   4-way stop I know technically I need to [TS]

01:07:09   come to a complete stop [TS]

01:07:11   I'm an observer of those but I respect [TS]

01:07:13   all right I respect your deeply help [TS]

01:07:15   throw-in beliefs and then not needing to [TS]

01:07:17   follow know that I'm just law [TS]

01:07:20   I'm gonna roll on through here there's [TS]

01:07:22   nobody around [TS]

01:07:24   John um I don't want to derail you so to [TS]

01:07:28   speak button now I know I how does a the [TS]

01:07:33   the happy village how does how does [TS]

01:07:35   Frontierland how is that stepping stone [TS]

01:07:37   to super train or is it it's just it's [TS]

01:07:41   something we need to do is a practical [TS]

01:07:43   first step toward the dystopia we can [TS]

01:07:45   all live with whether we like it or not [TS]

01:07:47   yeah the but the thing about super train [TS]

01:07:51   is that it's coming in the ashes of I'd [TS]

01:07:57   are inevitable doom right look great on [TS]

01:08:02   a poster but on the on the way to this [TS]

01:08:05   inevitable doom there are certain steps [TS]

01:08:07   we need to take still false hope this [TS]

01:08:10   little shit we need to try [TS]

01:08:12   mhm right as we are hurtling up for the [TS]

01:08:16   montage scene that shows all the things [TS]

01:08:18   that went wrong over a hundred and fifty [TS]

01:08:19   years [TS]

01:08:20   yeah as we're hurtling toward our [TS]

01:08:21   destiny we need to have some we need to [TS]

01:08:24   have some cool graphics there and yeah [TS]

01:08:28   you know and I feel like I feel like the [TS]

01:08:31   the counterpoint to two since say this [TS]

01:08:33   to sin city to frontier town is going to [TS]

01:08:36   be churchtown somewhere you know there's [TS]

01:08:39   going to be something that people are [TS]

01:08:41   going to come along and say well if if [TS]

01:08:42   there had been so Plake they are they're [TS]

01:08:46   having this free for all that over in [TS]

01:08:49   Moses Lake we're going to just have a [TS]

01:08:51   we're gonna make a town where and I mean [TS]

01:08:53   you know this is the beginning of a kind [TS]

01:08:55   of like fracturing of civil society [TS]

01:08:57   that's ultimately going to herald the [TS]

01:09:02   doom that brings super training [TS]

01:09:04   I'm thank you i might have a suggestion [TS]

01:09:07   here that I think gets too i know i [TS]

01:09:10   think about all the things that you help [TS]

01:09:11   people with and all the things that you [TS]

01:09:13   wake up every morning literally saying [TS]

01:09:15   and what can I do about obviously [TS]

01:09:17   homelessness number one that's the thing [TS]

01:09:18   most worried about on the other thing [TS]

01:09:20   you think about I don't you leave [TS]

01:09:21   yourself out of this here let me give [TS]

01:09:23   you a quick thought technology here [TS]

01:09:25   you're going to have over here in in in [TS]

01:09:29   frontierville you're going to have the [TS]

01:09:31   need for some infrastructure you're [TS]

01:09:32   gonna be late for the bus to stop [TS]

01:09:34   yeah there's going to be a sheriff well [TS]

01:09:36   there you're gonna want a lot of like [TS]

01:09:38   convenience stores you're going to want [TS]

01:09:41   a lot of any view 20 / take an existing [TS]

01:09:44   city and picking back on its [TS]

01:09:46   infrastructure they're still going to be [TS]

01:09:48   the need for stuff to happen there so [TS]

01:09:49   there's already probably a vaping supply [TS]

01:09:52   store in Soap Lake Washington right [TS]

01:09:55   you're gonna need a couple incredible to [TS]

01:09:57   think about this I mean you know no [TS]

01:09:58   matter what even in this idyllic [TS]

01:09:59   landscape that were even in this literal [TS]

01:10:01   utopia that we're creating for people [TS]

01:10:03   who don't really feel like doing [TS]

01:10:04   anything you're still gonna need [TS]

01:10:05   somebody sober to run the cash register [TS]

01:10:08   and the cash register running a cash [TS]

01:10:11   register [TS]

01:10:11   does not require you to be sober service [TS]

01:10:13   from experience yes it is i like I used [TS]

01:10:19   to keep a 32 ounce cup a 32-ounce like [TS]

01:10:22   soft drink up like a global a big goal [TS]

01:10:24   of a big gulp full of wine under the [TS]

01:10:27   counter [TS]

01:10:27   let's just wine that's a social drink [TS]

01:10:30   and all day long i would just be sipping [TS]

01:10:32   at the why everyone's well somebody like [TS]

01:10:33   what is that dr. pepper is really red [TS]

01:10:36   and I'd be like a loan [TS]

01:10:38   but i didn't i didn't change the hose [TS]

01:10:40   somebody's going to need to bootstrap [TS]

01:10:43   the infrastructure for this and I don't [TS]

01:10:45   want the government involved because [TS]

01:10:46   frankly i don't think they can handle it [TS]

01:10:48   I think they could miss handle it what i [TS]

01:10:49   am thinking that is if you were how come [TS]

01:10:51   no even better i'm thinking this is [TS]

01:10:54   finally your chance to be on board [TS]

01:10:56   I think you go get some heel on mosques [TS]

01:10:57   and some Mark Zuckerberg houses and some [TS]

01:11:00   Jeff bezos's and you get on the board [TS]

01:11:02   for bootstrapping an entire franchise of [TS]

01:11:05   these cities in interesting places now [TS]

01:11:07   maybe there could be a ballot initiative [TS]

01:11:08   where they said hey bring on frontier [TS]

01:11:11   town but you're still gonna want [TS]

01:11:12   somebody there [TS]

01:11:13   I want to see a grown up but I'm a [TS]

01:11:15   grown-up doesn't mind being around a [TS]

01:11:16   bunch of drunks don't feel like doing [TS]

01:11:17   anything nothing that there's anything [TS]

01:11:18   wrong with that that's the whole reason [TS]

01:11:19   we made future ville [TS]

01:11:21   but when you do that think about that [TS]

01:11:22   now you are if I say you are really [TS]

01:11:26   positioning yourself for things to [TS]

01:11:28   happen in the future [TS]

01:11:29   financially obviously there's going to [TS]

01:11:30   be a windfall for you here but much more [TS]

01:11:32   interestingly you're getting into the [TS]

01:11:33   corridors of power [TS]

01:11:35   you're getting the right people on your [TS]

01:11:36   side more importantly they're getting [TS]

01:11:37   you on their side [TS]

01:11:38   mm and I think what super train comes [TS]

01:11:40   along you're going to have a you know a [TS]

01:11:42   bear and a BMW textual should have crops [TS]

01:11:45   and brawn type situation here he's [TS]

01:11:46   here's what we do [TS]

01:11:47   here's the pier the first product that [TS]

01:11:50   Roderick Zuckerberg a basis and musk RC [TS]

01:11:56   bt m Roderick Zuckerberg Basil's and [TS]

01:12:00   musk our first product is a sin city [TS]

01:12:04   gaya device but this is your Genesis [TS]

01:12:08   bomb [TS]

01:12:09   it's the Genesis bomb long we fly over [TS]

01:12:12   the middle of a state somewhere we drop [TS]

01:12:14   this we dropped us in Genesis bomb and [TS]

01:12:18   it creates think it's called it's called [TS]

01:12:20   the future seed future seed it-it-it [TS]

01:12:23   impregnates the earth and creates just [TS]

01:12:28   like you know kind of like the opening [TS]

01:12:30   sequence of Game of Thrones this little [TS]

01:12:32   like Alison little paper pop-ups it [TS]

01:12:34   comes to sex mashina of of like sin town [TS]

01:12:41   I can't leave XO scheana as the name of [TS]

01:12:44   your interim [TS]

01:12:45   reading group haha and it's just you [TS]

01:12:48   know its built-in kind of a mock tudor [TS]

01:12:50   but it looks a little bit like Venice [TS]

01:12:52   also like houses on top of how things [TS]

01:12:54   you having some kind of robot avatar his [TS]

01:12:56   name is literally deuce middle initial x [TS]

01:12:58   last night mashina oh alright [TS]

01:13:01   iono deus ex mashina and he looks like [TS]

01:13:03   billy corgan another now down but how [TS]

01:13:12   many people to be flocking there [TS]

01:13:14   yeah they will be put there with their [TS]

01:13:15   rucksacks you know it's gonna be I would [TS]

01:13:20   go there things you know early days [TS]

01:13:22   it'll be amazing and then it will go to [TS]

01:13:23   shit [TS]

01:13:24   yeah you make a new one you make a new [TS]

01:13:26   one that's the other part of Las Vegas [TS]

01:13:28   the fixed cost you know that place is [TS]

01:13:29   already built they know where to deliver [TS]

01:13:30   the prime rib in the mountains you know [TS]

01:13:32   that sometimes you can't pull up stakes [TS]

01:13:34   like a fucking dead like a degenerate [TS]

01:13:37   MASH unit you will actually move on to [TS]

01:13:39   the next town burn it down and whatever [TS]

01:13:41   and all the skeeters that can't I can't [TS]

01:13:44   move anymore just get burned with the [TS]

01:13:47   town become fuel that's right come on [TS]

01:13:50   Skeeter logs fun thing is pretty good [TS]

01:13:58   just pretty good [TS]