Roderick on the Line

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00:00:26 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► hello I John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► your you sound scratchy Oh see this is [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► what I'm afraid of i do I sound kinda I [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► like it though it's it's a it's really [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► you know Susan Sarandon me i always [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► think about Brenda Caro and those moves [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► and the 74 lady products [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► mm and she had like licking and like a [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► improbably gravelly voice really is she [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► okay she swallow a camel and protection [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► that that uh yeah you know the seasons [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► have just changed here in Seattle and [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► when the seasons change is when i start [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► wearing lady Hatt's because there's a [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► certain kind with remember remember 11 [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► kangal were all the rage [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► oh yeah when when LL Cool J yeah you [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► know when he loved his radio you could [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► do without it and he had an angle that's [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► right and back in that during that era [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► early nineties i had a powder-blue [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► kangal pith helmet that was made out of [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► terry cloth that I just loved I loved [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► that hat i just don't see that on you it [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► was really it was fly [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► mm and you know a particularly sense in [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► every other respect I was wearing like [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► like a forest colored wool like [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► basically like wool pants and and and [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► logging boots the fact that i was [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► wearing a powder-blue kangal just what [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► was the little cherry on the top brass [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► so anyway I still have a lot of [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► affection for that style of hat and the [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► only way you can find them is in lady [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► Hatt's ah the nineteen seventies style [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► of kind of like bucket hat ladies meant [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► for ladies made of made of wool or Terry [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► and every year I say i'm gonna i don't [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► care i know that these hats are our [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► gender neutral i'm i'm making them and [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► this is the year that I mean adjust your [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► reclaiming them i'm gonna wear lady [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► Hatt's all fall they're not they're not [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► as good in the in the winter that's when [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► you switch to your cowichan had it [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► commissioned as a good winter hat but [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► fall is a nice time for like for a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► bucket hat so anyway I'm wearing my lady [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► bucket hat today and it looks like the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► neighborhood of a fresh new rapper lady [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► bucket at and and it's on my head my [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► head as soon as I walked into the cafe [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► because the cafe that I go to on the way [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► down here is in the industrial [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► neighborhood where everybody in there is [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► in car hearts and they all have like [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► welding scars and I walked in my lady [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► hat and you know it was like the jukebox [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► stopped and everybody is that it's and I [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► was just like it's supremely confident [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like no fuck you you guys this is the [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► this is the way of the future and you [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► know everybody goes immediately turned [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► back to their whether the other things [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► but uh but it may get it does it reminds [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► me of sort of it that nineteen seventies [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► be Arthur scratchy voice you know what [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► woman in charge of our own destiny [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► yes I know those women yeah we're kind [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► of a FLT lucky hat maybe an adrienne [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► barbeau thank you refer to a mod and [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► escape from new york character you know [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► what she you know what I got so much to [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► talk about John crystal I think I i [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► think i've told you before that I've [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► started trying to rule out to get any I [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► used to be like way I feel right now I [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► would have said for 40 years on getting [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► a cold [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► except now i'm pretty sure it could be [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► allergies today I get a lot of the same [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► symptoms as a cold when I have allergies [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► and so I have this super slow motion [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► getting a cold feeling that I I'm hoping [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► is just allergies cause that just goes [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► away on its own [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► I woke up in the middle of the night [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► last night and had [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► 7-minute long sneezing fit so worth it i [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► did I didn't although i think they did [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► record it out at Mount st. Helens on [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► their seismographs but i but i do feel [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► like something happens and although i [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► know i was trying to picture the little [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► plants all releasing their spores [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► according to some Q some atmospheric you [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► hm like it's october something happens [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► they don't they don't need to get a [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► specific message from a specific [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► Telegraph there's something in there [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► plant DNA that just knows when these [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► conditions are met [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► let's torture John that's right here it [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► is or or John and Merlin like all along [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► the west coast like and go yeah and it's [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► just like all of a sudden the air is [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► full of some new pollen and you're just [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► like oh no what happened I was fine [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► yesterday I think also our house is a [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► little sick [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► it's really old you know and I don't [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► think anybody's ever really liked [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► cleaned out the docks and stuff like [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► I mean I know there's lots of toys in [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► there so I sing there's dust and stuff [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► how many half empty cans of flat soda [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► water are there like in the rap just [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► like in the rafters and kind of like [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► sitting on on the unfinished basement [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► it's a really really good question i am [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► trying to be better about that i'm [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► trying to implement some work flows [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► because ever since I got off the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► SodaStream for no particular reason but [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► i'm on the cans and I'm going through [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► about a 12 pack of cans a day and those [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► really really pile out [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► yeah they do especially if you don't [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► finish everyone to the last drop this [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► about me that you found here on your [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► house maybe I one quarter of a can of [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► fizzy water and then you open another [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► I i think it might be all the keys me [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► alive I mean really seriously i drinking [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► lots of water and I just don't want to [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► think about what happens when I find out [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► that it's not doing what i thought it [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► was doing [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► yeah I had two thoughts here is ok i was [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► going to talk about lady product ads [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► from the seventies and how much they [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► they freaked me out when I didn't really [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► understand them but instead i'm going to [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► pivot two hats and you know you and I [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► are both if I may say very fair skin em [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► I mean for being as Hardy inhale and is [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► headed as you are I think people who [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► meet you might be surprised to know that [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► you're very fair-skinned are you know [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► yeah I would yeah my skin is in the is [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► in the pink category railing of Ages and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► cream complexion now [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► yeah it's not I there's no there's no [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► all of component no no might my wife my [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► wife is much more on that end of the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► spectrum like she goes out into the Sun [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► for three minutes and she gets a tan [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► I got inside for three minutes and have [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► to be hospitalized I'm not like bubbly [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► blisters and luckily my daughter is more [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► in her direction so she doesn't burn as [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► easily but you know this is I don't make [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► this about race but you know you've got [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► you've got people from Asia in [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► Washington right and at me [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► have you noticed like I think that [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► definitely Chinese ladies I think with [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► Japanese ladies like they are almost [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► always wearing a hat every right [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► yes I'm look at the bucket hat is the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► classic local hat but have you getting [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► this there [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► we're like there's a thing that started [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► out as what looks like a tennis visor [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► with except advisors like made out of [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► sunglasses [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► mhm you don't talk about where you going [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► to really put on and then there's a [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► polarized translucent plastic thing that [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► ok yeah so I noticed i feel like i [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► noticed over time that those were [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► getting bigger yeah until you're all [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► right so that they go from here to here [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► well you know here's the thing yeah they [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► got bigger and bigger because you know [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► if you like a little protection let's [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► try a little more protection do you get [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► Chinese ladies wearing what looks like a [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► welding mask now have you seen this [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► you know boom imagine imagine it's kind [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► of hot in like a lie but imagine like a [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► 65 year old woman and she's wearing what [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► looks like that same kind of like a big [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► piece of sunglasses [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► yeah it covers her entire family over [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► her face she can still breathe fine from [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► what I can gather right but I think it [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► must provide a surpassing level of sun [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► protection [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► it's part of the overall sort of blade [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► runner ification of alcohol and West [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► Coast cities i think you're right right [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► there and i think i'm gonna say there's [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► a lot of umbrellas lot a lot of these [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► Chinese ladies carry umbrellas too i [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► feel like there is a feel like there's [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► some some kind of thing that is being [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► communicated on a global scale where [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► people are saying i'm going to do my [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► part to make this urban dystopia extra [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► trippy let it begin with me [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► that's right like at it you get no one [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► person can make any downtown area super [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► trippy on their own right they just make [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► it a little weird and awkward if you're [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► standing in an intersection throwing [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► rice at birds and you're the only one [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► doing that like that's not going to have [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► a you know if I can have an effect on [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► actually creating this help because [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► you're obviously just just a loon write [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► it but if somebody's throwing rice at [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► birds and a big guy and a wool jacket [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► walks by and a lady hat and then across [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the street there's a chinese lady with [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► the welding mask on you get this guy [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► over here get over here quick this is [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► pretty soon you are creating a blade [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► runner tableau that no one person could [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► have done it such a good point because [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► here's the thing about blade runner [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► here's the thing about any future vision [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► is like we remember as people who saw it [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► around the time it came out as being [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► about space in spaceships and flying [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► cars and so you say that's how to make [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► this more blade runner you're gonna say [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► maybe flying cars or maybe the void [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► contest [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► mhm because those people would say I [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► think that I would say what kind of toss [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► out a few other bullet points for you ok [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► do carrying around umbrellas [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► alright i'm wearing hats clear plastic [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► clothing Street food right or army or [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► making things out of matched [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► six people people right well like like [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► street vendor carts but that are [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► actually practicing medicine riding [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► bicycles in the dark [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► there's a lot of that there's a lot of [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► that there's a lot of zooming in on [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► photos [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that's right guard hardcopies your [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► medicine in any crowded street scene [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► there are punk rockers and you get easy [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► but then you also get all the way down [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► to like was it like a square glass with [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► giant ice cubes like he's gonna handle [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► bar in Portland [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► hmm i'm just saying here's what I'm [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► trying to get it i'm sorry i think i [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► really am literally getting sick [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► it's affecting the details yes apps i [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► think everybody has something to [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► contribute to this just because you have [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► a rocket car don't have a rocket car [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► does not mean that you're not welcome [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► just because your skin may not be the [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► smoothest does not mean we don't have a [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► role for you as a police henchmen [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► that's right there are plenty of things [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that just dust all over the place i [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► think everybody is bringing a little bit [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► to the brig blade runner party today I [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► don't think anybody could have predicted [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► that that it was i'm sitting here doing [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► as some kind of radio show but the key [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► elements are at my desk is covered with [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► guitar picks that have Jonathan Coulton [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► space on them and i have an orange bell [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► from the nineteen seventies the dice [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► rolling is that mille bornes where's [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► that from [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► but that's not run Milbourne is it crew [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► was the middle of yours well I should [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► not see no i don't remember either but [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► uh but you know it's it's the it's the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► accumulation of small like Warren to try [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► this that makes any future escape look [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► real and so every day I try to have at [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► least one element of my on my person [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► where it if it's a panning shot of a [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► street scene and I'm just walking from [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► one place to another [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► the fact that i have like a leather bag [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► with an like a visible octopus sticking [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► out of it is the element that's going to [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► stick in some future kids mind was like [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► I saw that panning shot and it seemed [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► you know and did you see the guy in the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► suit with the octopus not everybody does [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► that it was dusty yeah and it's just [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► like they're the first time I went to [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► Morocco i was walking [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► the UH the medina in Fez and a guy walks [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► by me in a in a in a three-piece suit [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► and he's carrying a to live chickens by [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► their feet [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► ok and i was like i am Here I am here [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► now like I think they got that they got [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► the set-dressing right yeah this is this [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► I mean before that when it was like a [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► bunch of guys in July ops galapas with [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► the like Poland donkeys with but like [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► sticks tied to the back something words [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► now it's always like I mean that you [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► know i'm walking through and make sure [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► of course right in a foreign country [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► right sure but then the guy in the three [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► pieces with the two chickens will to [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► live chickens by their feet I was like [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► okay i miss the three-piece suit part [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► that's going some three-piece suit to [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► like they were business chickens it was [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► he's a business guy he's coming home [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► from workers going sideways the binos [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► the middle of the afternoon and he's [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► like oh I need to get some dinner and I [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► my wife asked me to pick up a live [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► chickens pick up a couple of chickens [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► and he's just like and that's the thing [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► he's just going about his day the rest [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► of the people were were there because [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► it's like oh we're setting a Moroccan [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► scene so we gotta we gotta have a little [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► old man with pointy shoes drawing them a [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► mule through the street you're gonna [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► want some carpets that are hanging on [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► that's gonna run with baskets there [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► should be a snake probably somewhere [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► Marie meat meat is burning on spits [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► whether or not it is actually culturally [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► appropriate some women should be you [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► lating mmm i think it might be peculiar [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► to Iran and I think it all is absolutely [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► relating became our vision of the middle [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► east at one point [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► yeah it's it was not happening in [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► Morocco but that but the guy with the [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► suit and the chickens [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► nobody would have thought to include him [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► right he just was himself and he is the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► that's the detail that makes that made [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► it real and I was like I actually I'm [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► here now this is not a this is not a [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► Truman Show situation because no one [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► would have put this guy here that's [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► funny you should say that that comes up [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► a lot on end up talking about that line [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► and was gonna say also is like the void [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► comp like I have to say the more I you I [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► might put that test to people all the [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► time do you have [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► I mean you have a portable [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► unit i carry what you know actually it's [TS]

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00:17:28 ◼   ► oh he was handsome in that movie a lot [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► of good looking up things in that movie [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► but she was my comp now I'm a terrible [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► judge of character and I can't tell when [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► anyone is lying including myself right [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► so I'm not good at that [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► if I had to face off with the with was [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► the actors names Delroy Leroy was the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► guys staying at the hotel [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► yeah don't really write don't quite [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► Leroy fer if the first skinjob they talk [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► to you I don't work pink out le roy was [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► it should always need to get Leonard [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► let's not look what letter the skin job [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► leonard skinner talking to him yeah he's [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► getting pretty hostile you don't like [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the questions okay yeah the the tester [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► guy had a much bigger role originally a [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► lot of stuff got cut out [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► that's too bad i think that was also [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► Brady's bits i think he was also maybe [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► the original choice for for the Rick [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► Deckard part all really ya know it's [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► there's one version where you can see [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► I'm in like a space iron long after he's [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► gotten beaten up by Del Rey Leroy how [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► many I mean I know there are already six [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► versions of plate right now because it [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► brings are you want there's at least [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► four discrete version i think yeah [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► there's the director's cut there's the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► actual director's cut [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► there's good the locals addition I know [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► there's at least I mean I'm going to [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► begin to get into this but otherwise [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► iphone iphone 3 i've owned the original [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► yeah I would you know with the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► voice-over the Harrison Ford really [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► didn't want to do and it shows right [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► because you know we starting voiceovers [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► to stuff the voice overs are like our [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► two dramas as laugh tracks are comedy [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► you know they're there because if the [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► myth material is not where it needed to [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► be [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► yeah but I was convinced by i was [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► convinced by the voice-over the first [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► time I was fine with it until i heard [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► without and I was like oh like watching [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► mash the left track it's like the show [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► is twice as good without the left track [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► but anyhow there's that version in 1999 [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► probably the second DVD i ever bought [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► third DVD the first DVD i was Rushmore [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► second DVD i bought was the radiohead [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► movie in the third one was that's a row [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► picker-upper [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that's fun to watch on a plane see [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► people having seizures always playing [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► and then the the third one I think was [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► the director's cut the runner which was [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► apparently turns out not really such a [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► director's cut it but it was the famous [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► one you know that hinted more pointedly [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► @ p @ the ultimate vision of the above [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► the maestro [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► yeah they started out in the unicorn [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► dream and stuff like that yeah unicorn [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► dream the one that i will recommend to [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► listeners as far as i know the the one [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► that's really good came out a couple [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► years ago I believe it's called the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► final cut [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► oh really which seems a little bit [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► optimistic given all these things go for [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► a long time my favorite pink and white [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► record and Maggie but the one after i [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► wasn't even look day look a cruiser with [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► all hands you [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► wow you think wow I should listen to [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► more pink floyd i really really should i [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► no like three-and-a-half 904 pink floyd [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► records but it's really i know three [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► full records into half records [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► yeah and I should hear more i should [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► hear more i think i should listen more [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► animals as my sense i think that pink [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► floyd was a very talented band and I [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► feel that they contributed a lot to [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► music and to guitar playing in [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► particular but also to like dramatic [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► they really they really made it safe to [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► be super dramatic in your music [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► yeah now that I through with that yeah [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah well they're good for lots of [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► reasons they're good because there's a [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► lot of times with are really really good [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► and they succeed at what they set out to [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► do and they're also good at something [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that makes people so angry and provoked [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► that they react to it you know which you [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► know say what you will about Gary [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► Glitter but you know I think it's tough [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► i can make people want to make punk rock [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► and that's a good thing but but uh but [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► also i was watching speaking of Blade [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► Runner was watching have you seen the [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► documentary your oskis dune mm no this [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► is a very important film i won't go into [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► this too much but but basically [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► alejandro jodorowsky who did these [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► monkey balls films in the early [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► seventies almost made doing spent [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► two-and-a-half years trying to make do [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► and you know I'm not [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► because either seen this documentary [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► three times like I have or you haven't [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► seen it i won't spoil it for you but I [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► think you should see it but one of the [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► things he did in addition you can I just [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► started a rumor mill I have never seen [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► the movie dune nor have i read the book [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► yeah I keep dancing around it i mean [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► i've seen the movie and the thing is [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► it's once you watch this documentary [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► doing which is already not a great movie [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► it's a very interesting movie it is in [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► the words of my favorite podcast the [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► flophouse it's a good bad movie like [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► it's it's really enjoyable even with all [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► its faults and I think originally david [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► lynch did Alan Smithee on it I think he [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► was originally so unhappy with what the [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► studio wanted in giving his resources [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► stuff anyway but I'm but anyway it's [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► very fascinating story and and so he [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► spent two-and-a-half years on this and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you know the none of it is if you watch [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the trailer you get all this out of the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► trailer which is basically the team that [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► he put together to make dune is it [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► became some of the most influential [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► people in the world of sci-fi movies [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► like dan o'bannon HR giger and tiger [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► says that is that how you say it gave [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► her a hrg share [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► I I would I've always the Geiger counter [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► I've never heard it pronounced I guess I [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► just it's one of those words that you [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► read and you just saying how you feel [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► the names in this is a wrong also [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► Salvador Dali WWE was going to be the [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► Emperor that would've been cool [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► yep keith carradine was on board for it [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► and in your oski had his twelve-year-old [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► son ten-year-old son twelve-year-old son [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► train for two-and-a-half years in [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► martial arts so that he could play [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► polities anyway and that's about none of [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► this happened no what happened and just [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► tell not just recently [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► don't tell me about my watch the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► documentary like documentaries like it [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► though I think you like it's about a guy [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► who's incredibly passionate about [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► changing the world but can't get shit [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► done [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► wow I mean actually erase that is a [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► little close to home on 1o0 know [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► I you sound dusky you do you do I like [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► it though it it makes me feel like you [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► know anything that humanizes you a [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► little bit Merlin and takes you out of [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the realm of the of the Gods fear right [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► you know like it just quit [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► I think I speak on behalf of all of your [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► fans when I say thank you [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► we just put you up yeah up there in [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► Valhalla it's complicated because i only [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► I i have haha haha haha alike i think [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► not across anything it's like when he [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► starts to get by having a tongue in your [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► mouth while you're eating then you can't [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► swallow you know same thing don't think [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► you're telling someone else's stone [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► never thought that don't start to give [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► out your time i'm not gonna start now [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► you don't know it's too late to start [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► yeah I think I definitely belong in a [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► certain pantheon but it's nice to see me [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► taking down a peg sometimes yeah I [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► really is sometimes you know the [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► homeland man it's got a little bit of a [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► dusky voice it feels like he's just like [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► us just a man i can get sick marinate it [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► puts his utility kilt on one opening at [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► a time i have been thinking a lot lately [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► about I know that this is you know I [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► don't like to i don't like to break the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► fourth wall and I'm not gonna do it now [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► but I've been thinking a lot lately [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► about supertrain oh ok and I feel like a [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► I feel like it's some guy I feel like we [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► have a week we have not fleshed out the [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► that the interim processes processes [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► between now and super training right [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► people are people are leaping leaping to [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► super train and you can't leap to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► supertrain you have to it's a ladder [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► right yeah uh I i suppose i mean i think [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► i think it's gonna be one of those [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► things where it's like hockey stick [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► curve right where there's gonna be some [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► build-up you don't notice for years and [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► by the time you're aware of what's going [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► on there's going to be a big fucking [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► train going by and we'll see it's late [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► but what happens on the hockey stick [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► yes that's exactly right and and this is [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► and this is the thing like you start to [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► see you start see welding helmet says as [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► fashion accessories at being pioneered a [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► sudden lots of men and cafes are wearing [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► terrycloth tangles [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► uh-huh and you're just like what's going [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► on what is happening around me I'm at [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► but it's all you know it's all of a [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► piece and you know you know about me [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► that I'm always trying to solve the [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► homeless problem i'm always i'm always [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► trying to revolutionize our mental [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► health programs you know I'm just I'm [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► trying to make I'm trying to make the [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► world a better place if you're always [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► you're trying to connect people that's [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► right you're trying to help people [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► understand the importance of living [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► freely in a world of ideas [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► that's right that's right i'm trying to [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► say you're trying to help the homeless [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► problem that sounds good from the [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► sometimes I'm trying to I'm trying to [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► make up you know pre-k music education [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► more equitable on from a social justice [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► standpoint but really I'm trying to [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► solve the homeless problem and I'm [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► trying to you know and I'm trying to [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► solve the the the mental health problem [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► but that's endemic in America right the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► it's the it's the fallout from one flew [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► over the cuckoo's nest we closed we [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► closed all the asylums because we didn't [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► like nurse ratchet and now uh now [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► they're the streets are are crawling [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► with people who need more help than [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► they're getting and all were doing is [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► putting band-aids on it we can't solve [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► the we can't solve the problem because [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► we have disempowered ourselves [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► yeah you know what I'm saying yeah I [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► think you you live in san francisco i do [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► you know what I'm saying yeah yeah most [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► of the most of the band aids are donated [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► remember low on literally poop [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► everywhere in a man who stands in the [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► street throwing rice at Birds [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► yeah it is it's his current today's [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► headlines if you try to put a bandaid on [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► on that guy you're gonna get a face full [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► of fucking rice we're going to face full [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► of rice and then somebody's gonna then [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► you know you're not going to fill out [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► the right forms and you know it's going [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► to end up being here you're going to end [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► up being subpoenaed not like I throwing [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► rice at the birds [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► yeah oh oh I see I going i try to help i [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► lend a helping hand and pretty soon I'm [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► the one is being tried to down a [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► district court because i forgot to fill [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► out there [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► that's right that's right you can't just [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► go helping people freelance that'll [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► teach me [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► that'll teach you so what are you [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► thinking about what's the interim well [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► you know I've always been a proponent of [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► so and we just legalized marijuana here [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► in Seattle and it feels like we're sort [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► of tottering down this row of this road [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► where there there were certain [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► neighborhoods there's a neighborhood [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► that I drive-through on the way home [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► that had already appointed itself the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► medical marijuana neighborhood because [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► we we pass the medical marijuana law [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► several years ago and those dispensaries [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► were you know you had to have a card or [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► something he had to claim that you had [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► glaucoma whatever fuck and then you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► could go into these little like like [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► dispensaries that that had green crosses [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► that looked like European pharmacies and [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► you can get your pot in there but it was [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► all still like obviously became like a [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► like what like a cross between like a [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► government office a methadone clinic in [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► a dive bar [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► yeah we're like you can just go in there [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► and going you know and hey you know dr. [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► Nicki this note you know give me my [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► matanuska thunderfuck right at but those [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► but the log that just legalized pot in [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► Washington had all these caveat like it [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► couldn't be within 15 miles of a school [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► and it couldn't be within a hundred and [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► fifty miles of a church or something [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like that and so so somebody made a map [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► where they you know they drew they drew [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► circles around all the schools and all [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► the places that you weren't allowed to [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► have a pot dispensary close to and the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► circles all overlap so there were only [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► like four tiny little places in the city [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► where you could even it we can remotely [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► build up a pot store and like two of [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► them were at the bottom of a of an iron [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► smelter and one of them was in the [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► middle of the bay and so so we've got [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► these two these neighborhoods that were [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► like we're pot dispensary neighborhoods [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and those places still exist and seem to [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► be doing a thriving business [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► but now we're opening pot legal pot [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► stores where it's just any guy can go in [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► and get some pot but of course that the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► one there one on Capitol Hill that just [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► opened was at turns out next door to a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► church next door to a church with a very [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► vocal minister who is having big [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► demonstrations in the street that he [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► doesn't want why did they put the pot [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► store next to our church and answer in [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► the internet his estimation because they [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► are a black church right and the city [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► doesn't give a give a could give a hoot [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► and he's like why wouldn't you put this [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► wouldn't put this pot store next to be [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► episcopal church and in that sense he is [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► very right they would not do that but it [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► makes me feel like we're trying to we're [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► trying to accomplish a kind of a kind of [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► distribution of like low levels sin that [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► I really feel like would be would be [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► better for everybody and more exciting [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► certainly if we just concentrated it in [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► sin cities like a cross between like a [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► strip mall in a stadium or you can you [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► get high and buy guns and poor and stuff [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► but I feel like I feel like an ass in [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► concentration I ass in concentration [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► let's say but but let's let's not call [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► it a spin concentration camp now that be [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► too far but like so so we used to have [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► las vegas where a normal person could go [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► and it and it seemed like the kind of [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► rules were suspended there and it wasn't [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► you didn't have to be rich to go there [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► you could just be a smile and go to Las [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► Vegas and it was any and it was dirty in [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► the in the right ways and you could get [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► your like you could get your dirty times [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► on right but Las Vegas realized that if [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► they didn't ified themselves that make [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► it bring families there and it and so [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► they cleaned up Las Vegas and they made [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► the dirty you know they they they put a [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► cap on how dirty they would let it be [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► like if you want that stuff go downtown [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► if you want to be on the main part of [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► the strip like you've got a really buck [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► up like they are cleaning up the streets [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the cops are there and they're saying [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► like they were going to bring in more [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► money if we if we make this like pirates [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► of the caribbean exactly and then what [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► they've also done then is they've raised [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► the threshold of dirty so that now [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► vaguely dirty stuff mainly gambling and [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► drinking and sin and whatever is like [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► considered a family activity but as long [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► as it's just as long as it doesn't go [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► all the way over into like total vice [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► right so vegas has compressed the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► spectrum of like allowable dirty and [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► that's true kind of in in meatspace all [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► around here it's like they've social [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► engineered sin right save like they've [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► done some kind of like compressor [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► limiter where you know you may not be [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► able to go out and get like a Peruvian [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► dwarf delivered but right if you want to [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► go out and let you could bring your kids [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► to like a place where he plays an elf [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► right right sure or you know he plays an [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► elf while Dad is a while Dad is playing [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► the slots and mom and smoking cigarettes [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► and drinking unlimited watered-down [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► drinks and so it's not it's not nice [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► there but it's it's it's not enough that [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► each did that and I think that is [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► driving us you know I I look across the [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► street at my neighbor's Skeeter and and [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► the head [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► vandura or whatever and I'm like these [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► guys are chronic alcoholics all they [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► want to do is drink and they and the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► city is full of them and are only [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► response to people like that is either [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► to try and get them help which they [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► don't which they don't want or lock them [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► up when they when they commit a crime [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► but wait for them to commit a crime and [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► then we lock him up and what they really [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► want is just to be in a place where [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► honestly we're drinking all a is [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► considered kind of normal and big and [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► they can they can stretch you see this [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► is public servants well you know they [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► construct a kind of mini world for each [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► other they glom onto each other words [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► like I like to drink all day so do you [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► we're not weirdos like it's not I mean [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► it's not the best thing but it's not the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► worst you want to concentrate things [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► like substance abuse is such an ugly [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► word but being able to be fucked up all [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► day but that's ok in this neighborhood [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► maybe the house is a little bit less [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► expensive i think what you're describing [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► is a ghetto well but here's the thing if [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► someone's gonna elevate it if you make [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► it if you if you get it out of town [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► right he go out to one of those farm [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► towns where all the kids graduated from [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► high school and got the fuck out of [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► there because the farming had been [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► recognized there were no jobs left who [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and dad was like don't leave you know [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► who's going to fix the tractor and the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► kids like bye dad I'm going to hollywood [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► to be a fucking dancer or whatever and [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► so you got these great little towns that [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► have 50 square miles of nothing around [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► them low occupancy lots of places you [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► can move into that's right pick a place [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► like that and say alright it's a it's [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► kind of a kind of a but free free zone a [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► little bit of a border town and you [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► combine a kind of burning man aspect to [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► it where it's like this is going to be [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► more or less a self-governing place and [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► there's gonna be a lot of economic [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► opportunity here because seriously under [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► the under the stewardship of Mayor [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► Skeeter right because cigarettes are [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► going to be cheap here only around yeah [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► you know and we're going to we're going [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► to apply a little bit of the like [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► independent nation status of Indian [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► reservations to this place and we're [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► going to give a look at a certain amount [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► of autonomy to everything that happens [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► within this 50-mile radius of course you [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► there still [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► you know it's still going to be under [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► federal auspices to dissent in the sense [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► that you can't murder somebody there [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► button but more or less it's going to be [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► it's going to be like a spaceport border [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► town like a deliberate Deadwood a [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► deliberate Deadwood it's a kind of it [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► takes a certain kind of pioneer spirit [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► do you could go off the grid a little [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► bit there's still the grid you know it's [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► going to need ways to like you know [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► recharge their vaping pens don't know [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► absolutely i mean it's still it's a it [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► is a muscle is a modern society in most [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► most senses [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► it's a modern society and and and a and [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► you know like normal rules apply in the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► sense that you will be able to buy and [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► sell property you will be your credit [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► card will work there although there may [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► be a certain amount there might there [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► may have to be a certain amount of [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► special currency [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► yeah where you have a reservation script [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► yeah where you buy you buy it up at the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► company store script but you know we're [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► so fascinated by Deadwood and Game of [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► Thrones where we are voyeuristically [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► watching societies where there there's [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► there's more freedom simply because [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► there's less institutional control we [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► watch these TV shows and were like oh [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► wow you know there's the they appeal to [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► us in part because we are romanticizing [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► a time when like shit was running in the [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► in the gutters right right where [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► romantic mean the thing that universe [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► when you're watching Game of Thrones the [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► thing that you never realize is that [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► those Nights Watch guys smell like shit [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► right everybody in that show would smell [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► like shit and we're watching we're just [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► like this just why is this so appealing [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► to me and it's appealing because people [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► are living by much more basic rules and [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► Al's it definitely seems simpler not [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► just in like some kind of like Amish [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► sense but in the sense it's less [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► complicated but I think when people [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► fantasize being in those things as with [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► people like Ren Faires or whatever not [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► run fares but you know I don't know much [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► about the Larkin community but like I [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► wonder how many people like wanna be bad [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► boy [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► it must be I want to be the king and [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► have the turkey leg [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► I you know I think a lot of I think [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► there's there's there's a lot of appeal [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► to being just a just a wench you know [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► what I mean simply topics simpler times [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► because business when shaming well and [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► you also have no responsibilities and [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► that's what Skeeter is looking for [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► that's what so many people in the city [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► are looking for and they want to have no [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► responsibilities and we're already as a [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► society spending tens hundreds of [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► millions of dollars sending sending out [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► the paramedics every 10 days when [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► Skeeter thinks he's having a heart [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► attack and we are you pouring money into [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► social services and these guys are kind [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► of you know they're on parole for their [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► pot bust and so they have to come in [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► every ten days and doing your analysis [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► test all right you got to go to the the [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► parole officer you gotta pay for the [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► ankle thing like a lot of cost to [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► society a ton of cost to society where [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► we're not going to see one of those [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► ankle monitors on Game of Thrones thanks [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► oh no you either have ankle chains and [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► you're in a dungeon you're looking at a [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► foot and somebody's playing you or your [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► running free covered with shit yeah [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► which is how we're meant to be and I [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► just I feel like if there was a way that [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► we could just reinvention it a little [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► bit where we say we're spending these [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► resources already and so on behalf of [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► Society we're going to open ass in town [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► in every state every state we already [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► have a we already have a state prison in [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► every state [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► let's open a states in town where it's [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► subsidized like housing is subsidized [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► for for certain you know certain [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► percentage of the people and it's just a [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► place where you can go and kind of stay [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► fucked up if you want and you can go and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► just you know the normal rules don't [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► apply the expectation the decorum rules [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► are different [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► and you just get to go be your your your [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► dirty dog you get to be a mud duck there [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► and people there will be people that go [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► there on the weekend but there will be [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► people that choose to live there and [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► it's not it's not a situation where you [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► were bussing people there it's just a [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► situation where it's like hey guess what [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► over there like outside of soap lake now [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► in Washington there's a town where you [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► can do whatever the fuck you want it [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► combines so many elements of classic [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► American history and society I mean it's [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► a little bit like Pleasure Island from [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► the nokia oh it's just be honest it's a [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► little bit like a jail [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► it's kind of like a ghetto I'm sort of [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► like an enforced Las Vegas what it is [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► it's up it's a frontier [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► mmm frontier it is a it is an artificial [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► frontier because we have run out of [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► frontiers now you're talking [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► alright official frontier I guess what [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► you guys we found a new frontier that's [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► why we should totally live there on the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► new frontier when they play a lot of [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► Donald thing and still can't hear you [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► kidding me of course they will you'll be [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► playing Donald Fagen everywhere at least [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► a bus ride there but you know like when [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► I when I think about going to Burning [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► Man which I every year think about for [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► one and a half minutes but the appeal of [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► going to burning man is like right these [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► are utopians and they have created a [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► frontier like society and it's a new [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► frontier right it's not there the the [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► it's it is a kind of anything goes with [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► an eye to the future and I know that the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► people that run burning man and think [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► about burning man and a part of that [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► culture are trying to imagine a way to [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► make a burning man town they wanted [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► desperately [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► oh I see what you're saying like the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► people that are running burning man i [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► know for a fact are driving through [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► Winnemucca Nevada and thinking how hard [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► I can't be like this all the time right [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► how hard would it be if we just came in [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► to winnemucca and just took it over [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► like the people that are in winnemucca [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► right now are gonna be like the are [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► going to be like the the Lumberjacks and [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► the autoworkers in the eighties and then [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► be like wait a minute you can't just [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► never there will be like the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► Palestinians probably you can't just [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► come in here and take our land and so in [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► this book and then the women's will be [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► like this is the land that our [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► forefathers gave us and there will be an [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► amazing [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► there'll be a little will be an amazing [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► little intractable a war nobody said it [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► was gonna be easy to move out to the new [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► frontier huh [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► but that's you know they the burning man [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► people are they are really i swear i [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► feel it in the I feel it vibrating in [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► the air they want to now build a [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► civilization and really every state [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► should have one right the thing the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► thing is that with the one of the many [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► ways that burning man is like Las Vegas [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► is you get to look forward to going you [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► get to be this of certain version of [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► yourself that you're kind of excited [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► about for a while and then you get to [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► leave one thing i love nothing makes me [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► happier than driving to the airport in [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► Las Vegas because i'm so fucking I'm and [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► told us before like I like for the first [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► hour i'm in Las Vegas like it's the best [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► thing I've ever done in my life [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► the first night they're pretty fun but [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► after like maybe two and a half days I'm [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► really ready to leave [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► I can't stand las vegas i cant when I [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► see the lights of Las Vegas leaving in [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► the distance I my heart starts to be [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► faster and I'm just like please please [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► God let me get through this town without [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► starting smoking against oh god it's [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► like the civic version of a vagina [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► dentata its just sitting there waiting [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► we were there by my daughter's first [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► birthday we had that we had to go [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► through a smoky casino to get to our [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► room and remember that this doesn't seem [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► wholesome bellagio it's a nice place you [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► got to go through the casino to get to [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► the hotel griffou of course it was [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► impossible you can't see any signs [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► there's no clocks it's very dark [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► everybody's wearing a wearing fucking [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► cut off and taking a giant cups m4 [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► slight but I'm but you and I are the [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► type of people who would go to our our [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► state's in city our frontier town if you [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► will [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► we would go there for a weekend and that [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► would be like [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► I'm not sure but it's okay to just stop [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► in for or maybe you know I would be open [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► i don't know if they have anything that [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► I can share with them any wisdom but I [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► would be very happy to go in and and be [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► some kind of an adjunct professor in [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► pioneertown what's called new frontier [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah whatever man that you [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► know each state could name their own [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► frontier technically regional like a [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► sports ball team but you know you think [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► about all the people like I have been [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► over the years radicalized in terms of [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► being an advocate for sex workers right [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► you you meet enough people you know [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► that's good for you [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► well you know I mean I look grew up on [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► Capitol Hill here where a lot of the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► people I knew and some of the people [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► that I was in relationships with were [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► also in the sex trades and and hearing [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► them talk about it i mean it's it's [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► obviously very complicated and everybody [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► has their own path through it [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► mr. Riley not very sympathetic well [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► because there are because the people who [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► want to live in virtue city cannot even [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► abide the idea that it's happening [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► somewhere anywhere in the world right on [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► my backyard and so I mean so sin city [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► would not just be a place where people [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► would go and be chronic alcoholics it [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► would be a place where all kinds of [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► commerce was happening that the city of [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► seattle for years and years said you [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► cannot have a titty bar that also serves [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► alcohol if you're going to have dancing [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► I remember that you have to drink pepsi [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► cola had to buy like a twenty-dollar [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► pepsi we have to buy twenty-dollar pepsi [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► and then you know and and it's just like [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► coming from Alaska of course where [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► alcohol and naked dancing was maybe the [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► after oral and fish maybe the third [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► biggest economic driver that's [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► unfortunate [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► that's right oil fish air but you know [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► in Seattle this was a way to try and [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► keep our neighborhood safe or whatever [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► and it's just like come on e here you're [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► here nanny stating yourself into a [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► situation where we're just here rich is [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► being ridiculous and so anyway sin city [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► since ye pioneer [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► town just don't do it over the mountains [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► so just over there just for the right [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► way just a little bit like a landfill [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► though right you want to far enough away [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that you can't like you have to deal [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► with it and smell it [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► well but and that works that works for [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► both parties right yes finally we're [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► getting buff or they get a buffer from [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► the normals right it's not gonna be [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► popping in to make sure you don't have [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► bedbugs [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► yeah and you can somewhat control access [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► by virtue of it just being a little bit [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► off the beaten path you you could [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► protect the citizens by having like a [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► wall around it may be a giant wall [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► yeah maybe he's a giant wall with we [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► have some delightful searchlights [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► searchlights and bway that families [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► could share housing Emily got lots to [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► recommend it haha him and then a bit but [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► the the adjunct to that who is that [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► every town should have for every state i [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► think should have a kind of arcada where [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► I don't think I know what that is [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► um garden turn arcadia I guess there's [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► an eye on that word [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► it's ok i like arcade is a great name [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► for the community arcade is pretty nice [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► but I want without any one of them would [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► be in arcadium i think i'm talking about [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► a place maybe that was a former convent [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► or perhaps even a former mental [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► institution hot that is now repurposed [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► as a mental institution a place on adult [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► conversations with some rolling hills a [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► calm resp aight where people who are [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► troubled can go live and be under a [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► doctor's care [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► I can't believe no one's ever thought of [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► these books right right well it's kind [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► of a novel idea that's a very modern [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► take on an old problem [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► yeah at a place where people who are [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► struggling to live amongst other people [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► who can go have a have a break that's [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► coming college from the stresses of [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► that's right from the stresses of modern [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► life and and benefit from all the new [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► developments that we [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► made in psychopharmacology John there's [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► so many expectations from other people [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► you don't get to pick other people's [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► expectations and that's the problem with [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► the expectation town it's a place where [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► nobody expects you to fucking exactly [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► this is and and I feel like there's some [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► kind of of like Quaker Protestant idea [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► that runs through America where we [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► expect everybody to fucking do something [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► and there are some people that we should [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► just not expect anything okay [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► they get to go live in arcadium kalyan [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► where where is my chair [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► yeah have not made a chair father up not [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► going to arcadium why is that there's a [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► hole in the bucket [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► fuck you haha i got a thought technology [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► on this and this is this is where super [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► old fashioned Midwestern Merlin comes [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► out but yeah she's a thing it's like a [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► high-level imagine Berlin what is straw [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► hat is gonna happen whether overalls [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► with one strap hanging and time was make [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► a living in institutions to shalour e [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that's the only place in which a person [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► could legitimately be named Merlin what [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► you are what you gonna name your boy [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► killed me don't make no chairs up [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► thinking Merlin hears nothing I i have [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► to say i'm very interested with one of [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► the civic ideas then on the face of it [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► 100% makes sense but i'm not sure stands [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► to reason and that's what you're [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► describing here which is let's call it [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the radius problem [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► ok so like for example if you're a [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► registered sex offender in california [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► which for which you can be on that list [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► you know this do you know you can be [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► registered sex offender if you were [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► convicted of public urination wall [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► really it's a thing yeah what are you [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► going to maps and find out a registered [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► sex offender in California again is [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► George Michael a registered sex offender [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► in california i think i'm not a jurist [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► but i'm pretty sure they just went ahead [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► and put them on the list everywhere just [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► as a precaution i think they have a [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► basic kind of filler list [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► whenever they're starting up a program [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► like that i don't know this is Megan's [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► Law thing here is almost say about this [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► is that you can go and like look at a [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► map now in a neighborhood and find out [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► where with pictures and addresses like [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► we're registered [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► sex offenders live and I think in this [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► way you're describing may be the perfect [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► place to start with this example but [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► you're not allowed to live within so [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► many feet of a school with a so many [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► feet you in this case you're saying okay [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► you can have this funny bunny pot [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► dispensary like that can't be too near [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► at church camp me what about guns can [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► buy guys oh no you can have a gun deck [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► have guns that are too near school you [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► can I don't and so on and so forth [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► there's all kinds of things like this [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► liquor stores all of those different [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► things and I don't have an answer to [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► this but but we'll go to my mind is like [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► um I think almost anything [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► excluding the part people who have to [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► find some place to live but like you [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► know for all of those things like the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► idea that like there's some places where [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► it's ok for these things easier is the [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► problem there's either a problem with [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► the idea the church's can't shouldn't [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► what is the problem of churches having [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► guns nearby if we like guns as a society [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► why the fuck can't we be selling them [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► everywhere if we like pot why can't we [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► ever i think it's very indicative of [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► something that is a real on the bubble [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► kind of issue right it's not something [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► that's going to be illegal but it's not [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► something that's super legal it's not [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► something you can just do everywhere and [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► i think it's interesting when you look [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► at whether that's that's titty bars or [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► gambling or any of that stuff it's [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► interesting to me how you decide to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► parse what's allowed to be near that and [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► maybe there are new angles here maybe we [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► can find out the church people actually [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► super into guns but they don't want the [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► pot maybe you could do something like [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► carbon offset credits where you can move [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► your things someplace else you can do a [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► trade with one of the other [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► neighborhoods [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► I'm not saying we shouldn't do [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► frontierville but i think it's very [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► interesting to go like well you know [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► there's some stuff that like almost [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► nobody wants in their backyard and maybe [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► that's when your backyard really [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► literally becomes arcadium and all we [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► have the gun stores in the city bars and [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► you just go out there on kind of like a [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► chartered bus but i'm very interested in [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► anything with a radius because to me [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► that shows ambivalence about whether [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► it's a good idea at all well and I think [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► lots [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► no I think you have think you hit the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► nail on the head that if you surveyed [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► the entire population of any size city [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► you would find that the number of [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► behaviors that passed muster with every [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► single person were incredibly small [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► because they're going to be people in [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► one part of town who think that [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► discipline your kid [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► with the ruler is an essential part of [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► the the way that you conduct business [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► and they're like that's a complicated [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► Venn diagram like what are the three [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► things that everybody thinks should be [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► legal all the time everywhere [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► yeah there are people who are there are [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► people who take their shoes off on the [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► bus there are people who think people [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► who take their shoes off on the bus [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► should be in jail [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► there are people that talk on the phone [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► in restaurants there are people who [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► think that those people should be in [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► jail and when you when you get down to [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► the to the nitty-gritty of what we all [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► agree on [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► it's like beats the shit out of me [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► frankly I mean there's always somebody [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► in any situation who is offended and [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► these big picture things like drinking [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► guns sex or whatever I mean they are [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► their polarizing drugs something sexy [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► for money whether it's pornography or [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► Handy's or whatever [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► what are the other kinds of things well [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► I mean most American cities i don't know [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► if you've ever been to UM to anywhere in [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► Oklahoma now but you go to these towns [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► in Oklahoma and there are six hundred [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► churches starting you know starting back [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► in 1910 they were building churches [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► everywhere church it a denomination has [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► 25 different venues you could it would [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► you just within the just with the center [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► of town you know and that is a that is [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that was a very like aggressive effort [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► to build the physical plant of this [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► place and say like this is churchtown [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► and yeah there's not going to be room [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► for bars here you can't just you can't [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► drive down the street without seeing a [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► church everywhere you look and that is [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► going to be our method of keeping [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► everybody on the straight and narrow [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► right keep going keep driving you stop [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► right here but there are you know there [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► are other towns uh you know that that [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► the that the one in in Iowa that Harvey [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► danger ended their their last great tour [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► in where it was just liquor stores and [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► titty bars [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► and across the river the town was all [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► churches they were way ahead of the [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► curve on this so that yet so the two [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► towns like you know had this at this [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► back and forth like churches bars liquor [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► stores and I mean we're always playing [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► were always playing these games with [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► ourselves but the solution always seems [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► to be that we compress in a las [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► vegas-style we can we can we use a [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► compressor limiter on what we think is [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► allowed and then that is that's the way [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► that we're going to find peace with each [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► other where we're going to let we're [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► going to let everything get a little bit [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► dirty to appease the people who want to [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► just live how they want to live but [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► we're going to put a limit on how dirty [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► they can be to appease the people who [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► think that none of us should be able to [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► get away with anything and it's not [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► working but it's not actually creating a [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► city where people feel like we have [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► shared values you know why because it's [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► almost like don't ask don't tell which [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► to somebody seem like a really good idea [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► in the 90s but really it's really [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► unsatisfying to everyone involved [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► because what you're describing it in Las [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► Vegas is like you can get away with some [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► stuff here but we want to make sure [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► nobody who doesn't want to see it sees [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► it like there should not be obvious like [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► sex worker people you know walking [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► around here there shouldn't be people [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► hanging out on the streets because they [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► blew all our money on gambling like this [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► has to look above board right so if you [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► can do that thanks years at the Bellagio [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► and say hey my daughter's turning one I [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► want to show her a good time [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► it's not like i'm really into a lady's [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► that dress like elephants you've got any [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► of those you gotta do something like [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► that your rolodex and he says mmm [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► well I'm gonna get Jumbo's the idea the [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► idea that was a put you know put out [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► there in the nineties by the by the [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► Aryan Nations that somewhere in North [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► Idaho they wanted to construct a white [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► homeland and it was so disgusting to us [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► as a culture these guys that were up [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► there trying to create a white homeland [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► in North Idaho that we we really devoted [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► a lot of resources in terms of FBI and [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► just culturally you know they took up a [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► lot of bandwidth for a couple dollars [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► the kind of like the people who became [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► the kind of weather was the phrase they [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► used to use the compound people like [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► that exactly right that will work on a [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► branch davidian kind of feeling and the [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► the hayden lake a white supremacist [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► gangs and we really really busted those [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► people down and in some cases like [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► burned their compounds and killed them [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► by the hundred thanks Janet me now [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► because because you know we have these [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► echoes of the Confederacy or whatever [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► you're not allowed to [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► you're not allowed to secede from the [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► United States but there is this [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► tremendous desire for for their to still [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► be a frontier like that's really in our [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► DNA we want to be able to go out to the [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► edge of town and do whatever the fuck we [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► want [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► and until very recently I mean I'm very [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► very recently throughout all of human [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► history there was always a place for you [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► to go where you could go to the edge of [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► town and still be considered a citizen [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► right he weren't you [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► right he weren't you [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you lived out kind of by your own rules [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► on the frontier but when you came back [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► to town you weren't considered a [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► criminal right and that that that [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► territory is gone now I like even in [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► Alaska right i mean i suppose if you [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► went out to Siberia or you went up the [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► Amazon or something you could find a [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► place where you could be your own person [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► and come back to town and be if you are [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► willing to go somewhere where there [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► wasn't a road I don't know why this [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► makes you think this back in Tallahassee [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► it seemed like about every year or so [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► the city moved out about two miles in [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► one direction or another and whenever [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► long as you say the arterioles so you [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► know you could go another mile of [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► thomasville road and there weren't any [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► public sees anymore and there weren't [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► more lights but if you really want to go [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► beyond your own you're gonna have to go [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► to Georgia and go down a dirt road huh [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► right but eventually like within five [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► years you would be living in the city [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► because where you are now like people [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► have moved past that now the new [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► pioneers have created someone just some [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► response but beyond that now you're in [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► just another suburb [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► yeah people keep company and and we [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► liked it we think of we think of people [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► that are out on the fringe as wanting to [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► be away from people but in fact there [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► there there is a whole component of [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► human beings who want to both be out on [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► the fringe living more or less by their [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► own rules but not away from people they [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► want to come in and go to the bar they [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► want to be a part of the of a culture [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► and the culture even you know they they [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► are they wanted to play with others but [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► they also want to go kind of make their [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► own way [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► yeah you know in some ways we've gotten [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► that in a backwards way with air travel [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► or you know the idea that you could fly [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► to somewhere and be away from your [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► family and under your family's I but you [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► could still get back home it's just it [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► used to be if you made that decision to [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► tell me if I'm wrong used to be if you [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► made that decision it was a lot harder [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► to go back right or you had to you know [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► they're there were all kinds of look you [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► couldn't go back to st. Louis and and [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► move back to your family's house but if [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► you went out to Oregon [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► you could you know if there was still [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► there was still somebody who knew how to [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► play the piano in oregon right it wasn't [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► like you had gone and we're living in a [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► house made a bark or even if you were [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► you could you could take a cut you can [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► take your horse in and hear somebody [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► play the piano and we have started [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► thinking of everybody who wants to live [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► outside as being cool kind of criminal [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► and work we've we've criminalized in a [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► way the desire to to not to not live [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► according to that you know that this [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► like minutiae law that we are that we're [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► all sort of like little by little [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► acquiescing to it definitely makes you [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► seem suspicious [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► it makes you seem suspicious and and [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► what we're not recognizing I guess what [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► we do recognize in some part of [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► ourselves is that all the big laws are [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► taking care of right we've got the we've [TS]