Roderick on the Line

Ep. 126: "Big Cabbages and Baby Pigs"


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00:00:25   hello I John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:30   pretty good [TS]

00:00:33   mm I'm a little late i'm a little late [TS]

00:00:35   never late when you said that something [TS]

00:00:38   happened did you deal traffic problems [TS]

00:00:40   ah well you know I like to do I like to [TS]

00:00:43   to plot my movements and and my plan my [TS]

00:00:47   time so that i have sort of you know [TS]

00:00:50   everything optimized who and this [TS]

00:00:53   morning I said well since I've got some [TS]

00:00:57   coffee in the pot downstairs some cold [TS]

00:01:00   coffee in the pot I don't have to like [TS]

00:01:04   rush to get out of the house because i [TS]

00:01:09   don't have to stop for coffee on the way [TS]

00:01:11   food and then that little you know [TS]

00:01:15   allowing for that little bit of a extra [TS]

00:01:19   wiggle time as i like to call it who was [TS]

00:01:24   giving myself some wiggle time and [TS]

00:01:27   that's never a good idea you gotta do [TS]

00:01:29   you gotta you gotta have a schedule you [TS]

00:01:31   guys stick to it [TS]

00:01:32   so once i introduced the idea of wiggle [TS]

00:01:34   time because i had cold coffee in the [TS]

00:01:36   pot it it was that that little extra bit [TS]

00:01:41   of chaos that then through the whole the [TS]

00:01:43   wheels completely off the wagon [TS]

00:01:45   yeah the the cascading effect right [TS]

00:01:47   against everything gets pushed out [TS]

00:01:49   that's right i put a little wiggle here [TS]

00:01:50   a little wiggle their food and then [TS]

00:01:53   pretty soon you know I had recently had [TS]

00:01:56   thirty percent more wiggle time you know [TS]

00:01:59   because i had to spend a little bit of [TS]

00:02:00   time looking out the window watching the [TS]

00:02:02   neighbors had to play i had to play one [TS]

00:02:05   game of threes 19 you can play one game [TS]

00:02:09   of threes you know I have a way I play [TS]

00:02:12   wake up game of three is when i wake up [TS]

00:02:14   play game threes and that sets me on [TS]

00:02:16   sets me on the course for the day [TS]

00:02:18   [Music] [TS]

00:02:21   and uh but then you know like a course I [TS]

00:02:24   i had to add find a pair of socks and [TS]

00:02:26   that was that turned into more of it [TS]

00:02:28   more of an ordeal cuz i was on one side [TS]

00:02:31   of the house and I was like I know [TS]

00:02:32   there's a pair of socks over here and I [TS]

00:02:33   didn't abandoned once i realized there [TS]

00:02:35   wasn't a pair of socks readily at hand [TS]

00:02:38   I didn't band abandoned finding socks on [TS]

00:02:40   that side of the house I could have just [TS]

00:02:43   gone to the other side of the house [TS]

00:02:44   where the Sox abound but I stayed on the [TS]

00:02:47   side of the house i was on because i [TS]

00:02:49   knew i was going to find a pair of socks [TS]

00:02:51   over there somewhere but you know these [TS]

00:02:52   kinds of post-mortems post-mortem can be [TS]

00:02:55   really valuable you know you learn that [TS]

00:02:57   you're learning a lot [TS]

00:02:58   you're you know that right you could you [TS]

00:03:00   could for example start planting socks [TS]

00:03:02   around the house [TS]

00:03:03   well and that's the thing that's what I [TS]

00:03:05   typically do there are socks all over [TS]

00:03:08   the house little sock caches and the [TS]

00:03:13   problem was i identified the nearest [TS]

00:03:17   stock cash i went there there was only [TS]

00:03:19   one sock in it right not a pair of socks [TS]

00:03:24   and and this infuriated me it was up [TS]

00:03:27   there was one sock in a little cash with [TS]

00:03:30   the hat and some gloves and so you know [TS]

00:03:34   their elements of this sock cash that [TS]

00:03:37   seemed like maybe they've their leftover [TS]

00:03:39   from spring right why would there be [TS]

00:03:41   gloves in cash [TS]

00:03:44   it's all good detective work and it's [TS]

00:03:45   october whatever month that is October [TS]

00:03:47   it's october and so so I was like that's [TS]

00:03:54   a little off-putting but then I you know [TS]

00:03:55   so then I'm like searching around i know [TS]

00:03:57   there's another sock cash nearby this [TS]

00:04:00   one because the sock caches again always [TS]

00:04:03   in threes [TS]

00:04:04   anyway it got it got it I got a little [TS]

00:04:07   bit sidetracked [TS]

00:04:08   I had to load the dishwasher and you [TS]

00:04:11   know of course that's that's not a thing [TS]

00:04:12   you can just do you have to work it out [TS]

00:04:16   anyway I was a little late coming to our [TS]

00:04:19   broadcast and so I you know my apologies [TS]

00:04:23   to you and all of our listeners know I [TS]

00:04:25   don't think they might it was worth the [TS]

00:04:26   wait [TS]

00:04:27   CII don't get all of my back here [TS]

00:04:30   lighting i get y Sox get lost in the [TS]

00:04:33   laundry [TS]

00:04:34   I mean I think there's a variety of ways [TS]

00:04:35   lot of transport involved wear a pair of [TS]

00:04:37   socks [TS]

00:04:38   maybe maybe a single sock win doesn't [TS]

00:04:40   matter i even understand what my [TS]

00:04:41   daughter only has one of any sock she's [TS]

00:04:44   got like 17 single socks and that's her [TS]

00:04:46   sock collection luckily she's like to [TS]

00:04:48   have fun with it and mix it up which i [TS]

00:04:49   think is great saves us a lot of money [TS]

00:04:51   we have as many as were clever i always [TS]

00:04:54   take my socks off in the same way which [TS]

00:04:56   they take them both off and make a tidy [TS]

00:04:58   little nut ball exactly but I kind of [TS]

00:05:00   join them together I married them with a [TS]

00:05:02   little fold so when I find a single sock [TS]

00:05:05   I know there's a monkey business up [TS]

00:05:06   that's that's life fucking with me when [TS]

00:05:08   I find a single sock so you're saying [TS]

00:05:10   that you've tried to eliminate the [TS]

00:05:11   possibility of socks getting separated [TS]

00:05:13   and even in spite of it you have rogue [TS]

00:05:16   socks [TS]

00:05:17   yes yes and I don't want to feel like a [TS]

00:05:19   nut about this but all I'm saying is [TS]

00:05:21   that I have learned that in life there [TS]

00:05:22   are certain em small steps one can take [TS]

00:05:26   to keep the demon dogs at bay and one of [TS]

00:05:28   them is a very small one which is that [TS]

00:05:31   you just keep the stock spared [TS]

00:05:32   yeah I are always together they're [TS]

00:05:34   monogamous god I love that about you [TS]

00:05:39   I'm like your daughter you know where a [TS]

00:05:40   couple mismatch socks but then i'm [TS]

00:05:42   always I'm always afraid as a guy my age [TS]

00:05:45   you we've talked about this many times [TS]

00:05:47   yeah I remember being 20 and seeing 30 [TS]

00:05:50   year olds that I felt like where were [TS]

00:05:53   repping a level of quirkiness that they [TS]

00:05:57   didn't think that wasn't authoritative [TS]

00:06:00   anymore right your third yeah no no I [TS]

00:06:02   know that level [TS]

00:06:03   mature mhm and then when I got to be 30 [TS]

00:06:06   i was like well but I mean you know come [TS]

00:06:08   on i can still whatever we're of where a [TS]

00:06:11   peacock feather in my hat every once in [TS]

00:06:13   awhile and and then I was like but i'm [TS]

00:06:15   not going to show off my barcode tattoo [TS]

00:06:17   I can be some 40 year old guy that's [TS]

00:06:20   like dying his hair and wearing a like [TS]

00:06:24   German orange glasses frames and no I [TS]

00:06:30   got to be 40 and I was like well I'm not [TS]

00:06:32   dying my hair but I'm i might have a [TS]

00:06:34   pair of german classes frames you don't [TS]

00:06:37   look like a type that tightly wound [TS]

00:06:39   typesetter yeah [TS]

00:06:40   perhaps someone that might be in a [TS]

00:06:42   documentary about funny faces [TS]

00:06:45   yeah i and and you know and if someone [TS]

00:06:47   is making a documentary about typefaces [TS]

00:06:50   or font faces give me a call because i [TS]

00:06:52   have a lot of thoughts yeah but but uh [TS]

00:06:55   but now you know so so yeah I'm like I'm [TS]

00:06:57   confirmed in the lifestyle up being sort [TS]

00:07:01   of a middle-aged like a cork write a [TS]

00:07:05   middle-aged quark quirky guy not quite [TS]

00:07:08   all the way to somebody who's chosen to [TS]

00:07:11   live in Berlin but definitely somebody [TS]

00:07:13   who is you know still like still have a [TS]

00:07:18   very intentional an intentional sense of [TS]

00:07:20   personal style [TS]

00:07:21   yeah but I'm but I worry when I go all [TS]

00:07:24   the way to like a mismatch socks that [TS]

00:07:27   I'm like I'm becoming a little cyndi [TS]

00:07:28   lauper you know what I mean like either [TS]

00:07:30   do i do I know I know exactly what you [TS]

00:07:33   mean I know I know it when I see it you [TS]

00:07:35   want four percent Cyndi Lauper and [TS]

00:07:37   everything you do you do not want to go [TS]

00:07:38   into fourteen percent cyndi lauper if [TS]

00:07:41   you're older than 15 years of age and [TS]

00:07:43   you're at a whole foods with mismatched [TS]

00:07:45   socks [TS]

00:07:45   you need to check yourself mhm because I [TS]

00:07:48   mean this is just kind of thing if you [TS]

00:07:50   think about it like it's like brushing [TS]

00:07:51   your teeth are wiping your ass you know [TS]

00:07:53   reasons for me and by extension is for [TS]

00:07:55   other people [TS]

00:07:56   I'm not gonna go go around a check on my [TS]

00:07:58   socks mickael like that so I'm so I'm so [TS]

00:08:03   in some ways lucky that I'm not a woman [TS]

00:08:06   because if I for a woman my style my [TS]

00:08:13   personal style my female personal style [TS]

00:08:17   i think is more flamboyant than my mails [TS]

00:08:18   personal style is what i'm trying to say [TS]

00:08:20   if I were a woman I would be I would be [TS]

00:08:23   pushing the boundaries pretty far [TS]

00:08:26   I mean I'm not saying that I would be [TS]

00:08:27   wearing like a skirt over pants or [TS]

00:08:29   anything crazy like that but i would be [TS]

00:08:31   idea there are a lot of fun clothes over [TS]

00:08:35   in the women's section that i would be [TS]

00:08:37   that I would that I would be availing [TS]

00:08:39   myself of ICU and I mean this as [TS]

00:08:43   absolutely as a compliment but but to me [TS]

00:08:46   you read as a postmenopausal bay area [TS]

00:08:49   resident in the lady with the travel [TS]

00:08:53   lady you'd see [TS]

00:08:54   he at like a silent film festival with [TS]

00:08:56   chunky jewelry yeah right a lady that's [TS]

00:08:58   wearing a really big hat and then when [TS]

00:08:59   you look more closely there's a cat in [TS]

00:09:02   it you know at first I didn't notice the [TS]

00:09:07   cat [TS]

00:09:08   yeah like huh I've done that's a big [TS]

00:09:11   happen i didn't think it was big enough [TS]

00:09:12   to have a cat living in it [TS]

00:09:13   yes it's a cat is that alright with you [TS]

00:09:15   up my god i think that's good though I [TS]

00:09:19   mean you know that things it's balanced [TS]

00:09:21   by your ridiculous amount of masculinity [TS]

00:09:23   in other ways [TS]

00:09:23   hmm too bad you're dressed like that [TS]

00:09:25   when you beat that guy's ass that was [TS]

00:09:27   kind of funny you know I was dressed [TS]

00:09:29   pretty plain point where I was anyway [TS]

00:09:31   the claims suit if you if you look like [TS]

00:09:33   I don't know like you know it seems like [TS]

00:09:35   i know we have this in the Bay Area I've [TS]

00:09:36   seen in other places be like the [TS]

00:09:38   flamboyant zaftig like 55 year-old woman [TS]

00:09:41   who reviews films and she's very [TS]

00:09:43   classical yeah that's the thing she's [TS]

00:09:45   got like black chunky framed glasses but [TS]

00:09:49   that are specifically around like she's [TS]

00:09:51   an architect [TS]

00:09:53   maybe one of the one of the lenses is [TS]

00:09:55   like like ten percent bigger than the [TS]

00:09:58   other leg is slightly different sets of [TS]

00:10:01   force perception of reality she just [TS]

00:10:04   won't cartoon eyes [TS]

00:10:07   no I welcome our weekly feel view [TS]

00:10:09   argenis canse I'm going the other [TS]

00:10:13   direction i'm trying to every all day [TS]

00:10:15   long I'm just I'm walking around I'm [TS]

00:10:17   second singing I'm saying Lynyrd Skynyrd [TS]

00:10:21   simple man under my breath all day long [TS]

00:10:23   just trying to be a simple kind of man [TS]

00:10:26   to be something that I love and [TS]

00:10:30   understand i'm trying to be a simple [TS]

00:10:33   kind of man and wife is that John change [TS]

00:10:38   periodically to have you as our Sun if I [TS]

00:10:41   can i get that it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:10:43   make a lot of sense moving forward in [TS]

00:10:45   the lyrics but i think the songs that we [TS]

00:10:47   sing under our breath are generally not [TS]

00:10:48   things we share with people because [TS]

00:10:49   they're very know because it's very [TS]

00:10:51   difficult to explain why using a [TS]

00:10:53   particular song on your breath i do it [TS]

00:10:55   constantly have traveling music music I [TS]

00:10:57   have a soundtrack for almost everything [TS]

00:10:59   i do i absolutely do to my primary like [TS]

00:11:02   my teeth is mhm [TS]

00:11:04   haha heard you do that [TS]

00:11:06   haha but that's definitely that's kind [TS]

00:11:09   of my basic transition music and then [TS]

00:11:10   when i get to whatever finished one [TS]

00:11:12   doing I'll go hmmm uh yeah little [TS]

00:11:14   fanfare right you just like I see three [TS]

00:11:17   medieval guys in tights with one more [TS]

00:11:19   long this long trumpets with with [TS]

00:11:21   banners hanging up and work but their [TS]

00:11:23   brother man haha but I want to return to [TS]

00:11:28   the time thing for a minute I got two [TS]

00:11:30   branches on this one branch is this [TS]

00:11:31   something you've talked about before I [TS]

00:11:33   its it seems to me that you have decided [TS]

00:11:35   what the optimal but he's not an optimal [TS]

00:11:37   excuse me [TS]

00:11:38   strike that what the correct amount of [TS]

00:11:39   time it is to do anything in the Seattle [TS]

00:11:41   area you live there a very long time [TS]

00:11:43   you're an excellent driver and you know [TS]

00:11:45   how long it takes how long it should [TS]

00:11:48   take you know how long it takes but then [TS]

00:11:51   I hear other people talk about things [TS]

00:11:52   like seattle traffic and apparently you [TS]

00:11:55   can tell me this is true or not but [TS]

00:11:56   apparently seattle traffic is worse than [TS]

00:11:57   anyone would imagine uh well and it's [TS]

00:12:00   it's it's crazy that it is getting worse [TS]

00:12:03   like on an hourly basis he drive [TS]

00:12:05   somewhere and then an hour later you [TS]

00:12:06   drive traffic update is literally a [TS]

00:12:08   traffic update is traffic got [TS]

00:12:11   thirty-three percent work today and and [TS]

00:12:13   some of it is a all the climate change [TS]

00:12:16   refugees that are pouring in here from [TS]

00:12:17   California and other places [TS]

00:12:19   god bless some of it is just all the [TS]

00:12:22   people that keep coming here to work in [TS]

00:12:24   what we call the new boeing which is [TS]

00:12:27   amazon.com you know the the reason that [TS]

00:12:32   they're the reason that Seattle isn't a [TS]

00:12:33   city of a hundred thousand people is [TS]

00:12:35   that Boeing made big jet airplanes here [TS]

00:12:37   and for 50 years people came that [TS]

00:12:41   because there was good high-paying jobs [TS]

00:12:43   here and now amazon is apparently able [TS]

00:12:46   to do that although I I mean I still [TS]

00:12:49   think of amazon as one of those like [TS]

00:12:52   never profitable companies but maybe I [TS]

00:12:55   maybe that's my 1999 talking well it's [TS]

00:12:58   still accurate as of today right so I [TS]

00:13:01   don't know how they're managing to death [TS]

00:13:03   it's a break-even company right now [TS]

00:13:05   Yeah Yeah right they are still it's all [TS]

00:13:08   still lost leader stuff for some future [TS]

00:13:11   profitability that I mean I just don't [TS]

00:13:14   understand how that but there's a reason [TS]

00:13:17   you and I are in the corner office [TS]

00:13:18   haha yes to me you should worry less [TS]

00:13:20   about drones and more about making money [TS]

00:13:22   that is pretty amazing i would love to [TS]

00:13:25   make Don John i would love to have [TS]

00:13:27   drones delivering things but i find [TS]

00:13:28   myself having to worry about making [TS]

00:13:29   money [TS]

00:13:30   I know I know and I would love to have a [TS]

00:13:32   company that employs whatever 15,000 [TS]

00:13:35   people all like sitting at desks made [TS]

00:13:38   out of recycled doors and like trying to [TS]

00:13:44   corner the market on every single market [TS]

00:13:46   and that's doing the interview he had a [TS]

00:13:49   recycled or that's so fucking annoying i [TS]

00:13:51   forgot about that [TS]

00:13:52   well no this is that I think I I mean I [TS]

00:13:54   don't want to give away too much but [TS]

00:13:55   part of the cult of amazon is that they [TS]

00:13:57   all use recycled doors that is little [TS]

00:14:00   too fucking sweet right and it but [TS]

00:14:02   there's 10,000 people there so they're [TS]

00:14:03   tearing down old houses in seattle just [TS]

00:14:06   for the doors and they'll still deliver [TS]

00:14:07   paper towels they'll deliver a cardboard [TS]

00:14:10   roll with paper wrapped around it [TS]

00:14:12   wrapped in plastic wrapped in a [TS]

00:14:14   cardboard box to my house for free [TS]

00:14:16   yeah i don't know i don't understand how [TS]

00:14:19   it works but they are clogging the roads [TS]

00:14:21   and so that the problem is that i cannot [TS]

00:14:24   live so so a lot of the people who can [TS]

00:14:28   who constantly vote down all the [TS]

00:14:31   initiatives all the public transit [TS]

00:14:32   initiatives all the you know light rail [TS]

00:14:35   initiatives all of the hov lanes like [TS]

00:14:38   all those people that are always voting [TS]

00:14:41   those initiatives down they are [TS]

00:14:43   precisely the people who are driving in [TS]

00:14:45   their cars right though it's like a [TS]

00:14:47   one-to-one correlation if you are if you [TS]

00:14:51   have a dodge ram 2500 diesel dually king [TS]

00:14:56   cab truck i guarantee you a that you [TS]

00:15:00   vote down every transit initiative and [TS]

00:15:02   be that you are stuck in traffic from [TS]

00:15:04   five to seven both directions every day [TS]

00:15:08   and so I don't understand what's going [TS]

00:15:11   on in these people's minds right i mean [TS]

00:15:12   they're because they're also [TS]

00:15:14   unreflective generally so they're [TS]

00:15:16   sitting in their cabs yelling and [TS]

00:15:19   pounding on the steering wheel and [TS]

00:15:20   dragging me one of those initiatives [TS]

00:15:22   would take people off the road and make [TS]

00:15:24   their life better right take other [TS]

00:15:26   drivers off the road and make more room [TS]

00:15:28   for their truck but they but they vote [TS]

00:15:30   against those things reflexively [TS]

00:15:32   right it's just one of the great sort of [TS]

00:15:34   paradoxes of the above the world that it [TS]

00:15:36   is that that people now vote against [TS]

00:15:39   their self-interest in every respect or [TS]

00:15:42   or at least reactionary people vote [TS]

00:15:45   against their own self-interest because [TS]

00:15:47   they imagined i guess that they are [TS]

00:15:49   somebody different than they are or they [TS]

00:15:51   imagined that their interests are [TS]

00:15:52   different than their actual interests [TS]

00:15:54   but so but i'm on the road and I'm you [TS]

00:15:58   know Here I am a guy i'm in a car right [TS]

00:16:00   I am I am legitimately part of the [TS]

00:16:02   problem i used to live on Capitol Hill [TS]

00:16:05   where I walked everywhere but then i [TS]

00:16:07   moved out [TS]

00:16:08   not all the way to the suburbs but 22 it [TS]

00:16:12   so what I guess is probably a superb by [TS]

00:16:16   the by the 1965 definitions of the city [TS]

00:16:19   it is a suburb and now i am in a car i [TS]

00:16:22   am I I am recapitulating this problem in [TS]

00:16:26   my own life but sitting on the highways [TS]

00:16:30   I just keep my solution to the problem [TS]

00:16:33   is honestly more technology [TS]

00:16:36   I I feel like I feel like cars are [TS]

00:16:40   barbaric and that we that we need to I [TS]

00:16:45   mean did people not see the movie [TS]

00:16:48   Minority Report it was maybe not a good [TS]

00:16:52   movie but those cars that are swarming [TS]

00:16:55   over every surface like like cockroaches [TS]

00:16:58   those were pretty cool cockroach cars [TS]

00:17:01   right cars that are like obviously [TS]

00:17:03   driverless yeah drone cars are moving [TS]

00:17:07   super fast pay for with targeted [TS]

00:17:09   advertising paid for with targeted [TS]

00:17:11   advertising like we're headed there a [TS]

00:17:13   facebook car like what we need to do and [TS]

00:17:16   this is what's confusing to me because [TS]

00:17:18   Google is working [TS]

00:17:20   Google is working in a bubble they're [TS]

00:17:22   making robot cars on their own for their [TS]

00:17:24   own purposes [TS]

00:17:26   Elon Musk is across the street right [TS]

00:17:29   he's over there on the other side of [TS]

00:17:31   cupertino drive avenue and he's making [TS]

00:17:35   electric cars that he and he's got a [TS]

00:17:38   plan and he's giving away his electric [TS]

00:17:40   technology because he's because he's [TS]

00:17:41   because he's the punkest of the of all [TS]

00:17:44   the goatee where [TS]

00:17:45   and then you got amazon here and there [TS]

00:17:49   they're making everybody sit recycled [TS]

00:17:51   doors and then the city government is [TS]

00:17:54   just it's just you know just like [TS]

00:17:57   juggling 15 balls just trying to get all [TS]

00:18:00   these cars through the town and you know [TS]

00:18:04   then there's some guy sitting at a desk [TS]

00:18:06   who's in charge of synchronizing the [TS]

00:18:07   traffic lights and he's he's obviously [TS]

00:18:11   like got a vape pen that's full of Buck [TS]

00:18:14   Rogers orgy drug or whatever it because [TS]

00:18:18   he is whatever whatever buttons he [TS]

00:18:21   should be pushing he should be pushing [TS]

00:18:22   the other buttons is my is what i think [TS]

00:18:24   and there's knows there's no systemic [TS]

00:18:28   there's no nobody's talking to anybody [TS]

00:18:30   else right nobody from google is coming [TS]

00:18:32   to the city of seattle and saying look [TS]

00:18:34   we got these electric cars we got the [TS]

00:18:36   robot cars what we should we should be [TS]

00:18:39   using Seattle as a test case we should [TS]

00:18:43   be implanting little geoo gps their [TS]

00:18:50   nubbins in the streets like let us come [TS]

00:18:53   in will put the gps nubbins in the [TS]

00:18:55   streets and we'll use Seattle as a as a [TS]

00:18:59   electric car robot car test bed platform [TS]

00:19:02   it's got its got to be integrated google [TS]

00:19:05   can't just sit sit down there make make [TS]

00:19:07   robot cars and and then again I and [TS]

00:19:11   that's not a profitable company either [TS]

00:19:13   right [TS]

00:19:14   all they do is pretty well is that right [TS]

00:19:16   but you know but I mean I think you're [TS]

00:19:17   also describing something that seems [TS]

00:19:19   close to your heart which is that the [TS]

00:19:21   could be misreading this there's a big [TS]

00:19:23   difference between rethinking our [TS]

00:19:25   infrastructure vs vs coming up with a [TS]

00:19:28   way that hack on a five-hundred-year-old [TS]

00:19:29   way of travelling so the idea of a road [TS]

00:19:32   we have to sit and pay attention while [TS]

00:19:33   you're on the road goes back pretty long [TS]

00:19:35   way you know you're driving your oxen [TS]

00:19:37   and watching out of the corner of your [TS]

00:19:38   eye [TS]

00:19:39   the idea of putting all that technology [TS]

00:19:40   into a car that would now ride on these [TS]

00:19:44   legacy costly roads it's not super [TS]

00:19:46   useful and it's really not a super [TS]

00:19:48   useful when you're like hacking the [TS]

00:19:49   existing laws rather try to try to make [TS]

00:19:52   something really basically different [TS]

00:19:54   yeah it's this it's this constant for [TS]

00:19:56   it's this constant process of wall [TS]

00:19:58   papering over the last wallpaper and and [TS]

00:20:02   your rear the dimensions your room just [TS]

00:20:04   are getting smaller and smaller because [TS]

00:20:06   you're just slapping wallpaper up on ya [TS]

00:20:10   the this idea of Roman roads and there's [TS]

00:20:14   I mean and I i know you have this [TS]

00:20:16   experience you get on the America's [TS]

00:20:17   highways and you look around it's just [TS]

00:20:19   like right every single person is alone [TS]

00:20:21   in their car and this is a bet this was [TS]

00:20:24   a bad idea [TS]

00:20:25   I can see the appeal of it in 1918 I can [TS]

00:20:29   see the appeal of it in 1950 but I do [TS]

00:20:32   not see the appeal of it now and [TS]

00:20:33   honestly I don't wanna I don't wanna [TS]

00:20:35   share a car with my neighbors anymore [TS]

00:20:37   than the next person does but like that [TS]

00:20:41   again that's just a different way of [TS]

00:20:42   thinking about the old way and when I [TS]

00:20:45   think what we really need is pneumatic [TS]

00:20:47   tubes I could not agree more i was [TS]

00:20:49   trying to avoid saying it cuz i know [TS]

00:20:50   it's a cliché but i totally agree i [TS]

00:20:52   reached I'm in a really funny position [TS]

00:20:54   because I I've been in this stupid town [TS]

00:20:57   long enough and I've been walking and [TS]

00:20:59   taking public transit primarily for 15 [TS]

00:21:02   years and I to me the point where you [TS]

00:21:06   have to get in a car to do anything that [TS]

00:21:08   isn't fun like somethings that car ride [TS]

00:21:11   out of town and go to a beach or [TS]

00:21:13   something like that that's me that's a [TS]

00:21:15   that's a pretty noble use for a car but [TS]

00:21:17   when I have to like get in a car to go [TS]

00:21:18   buy things I feel like I've really lost [TS]

00:21:21   notice it's not even it's not one [TS]

00:21:23   particular green impulse or any one [TS]

00:21:25   thing it's just like we would get in the [TS]

00:21:26   cars like a now and now we gotta go [TS]

00:21:29   somewhere we're gonna drive we gotta [TS]

00:21:30   park there [TS]

00:21:31   we got a good deal with that [TS]

00:21:32   infrastructure so that we can spend [TS]

00:21:33   money somewhere that feels really stupid [TS]

00:21:36   to me [TS]

00:21:37   well we had a we had a fantastic day of [TS]

00:21:39   the day we went to the Washington State [TS]

00:21:40   Fair and that involve driving down to [TS]

00:21:44   puyallup washington which was my whole [TS]

00:21:48   life just like the total hick sheepdip [TS]

00:21:51   farm town now it has become kind of a [TS]

00:21:55   bedroom community for [TS]

00:21:58   people who commute but who drive a dodge [TS]

00:22:01   ram 2500 diesel dually king cab trucks [TS]

00:22:05   you know so people but still feel like [TS]

00:22:08   I'm an American I'm i live in the [TS]

00:22:11   country I live in a house that was [TS]

00:22:13   stapled together recently by saying that [TS]

00:22:16   classic Seattle accent by some staple [TS]

00:22:18   carpenters and i work downtown at the [TS]

00:22:21   costco but I'm a countryman so right [TS]

00:22:25   right like you're like a you're a ranch [TS]

00:22:27   owner in training [TS]

00:22:28   yeah right like I work at Walmart but i [TS]

00:22:31   have a yard that has a riding lawnmower [TS]

00:22:34   and so therefore i'm in touch with the [TS]

00:22:37   land so but puyallup is the pure fair is [TS]

00:22:41   super fun it's a bit sup it's a place [TS]

00:22:43   where the they bring the big cabbages [TS]

00:22:46   and they bring the little baby pigs and [TS]

00:22:48   and so we went down there and we were [TS]

00:22:49   stuck in traffic getting there [TS]

00:22:51   surrounded by all these ram chargers and [TS]

00:22:54   then went on our way out of the fair [TS]

00:22:56   course you're stuck in ramcharger [TS]

00:22:58   traffic again and we got up to the city [TS]

00:23:01   we were going to go over to some [TS]

00:23:02   people's house for dinner [TS]

00:23:04   we got up to Seattle well it was a husky [TS]

00:23:06   football game that day and so then we're [TS]

00:23:09   in football traffic and the the city and [TS]

00:23:13   the cops have it all figured out how [TS]

00:23:15   they're going to get 40,000 football [TS]

00:23:17   fans out of the University District all [TS]

00:23:19   at once and their solution to the [TS]

00:23:21   problem is to block off a bunch of roads [TS]

00:23:25   I'll just have them dedicated solely to [TS]

00:23:27   getting people out [TS]

00:23:28   no just block them off like blocking [TS]

00:23:30   them off so they don't have to i guess [TS]

00:23:32   so they don't have to think about it or [TS]

00:23:34   so they don't have to do that so they [TS]

00:23:35   have to worry about people pulling [TS]

00:23:38   u-turns I beat the shit out of me but [TS]

00:23:40   they like a temple grandin like like a [TS]

00:23:43   cow's loose that you can't make mistakes [TS]

00:23:45   you don't make left turns or something [TS]

00:23:46   it's got to be exactly that it's got to [TS]

00:23:50   be exactly that that has to see what she [TS]

00:23:52   could do with seattle's right so very [TS]

00:23:55   erotic periodic hug machines we go ma'am [TS]

00:23:57   you have nine months sorted out but so [TS]

00:24:00   I'm trying to get over to this [TS]

00:24:02   neighborhood that's on the other side of [TS]

00:24:04   husky stadium and I come up to 45th [TS]

00:24:07   which is the big that's the big [TS]

00:24:08   thoroughfare and they've they've got [TS]

00:24:10   cars coming out but no cars going in [TS]

00:24:12   this is the big Road this is the main [TS]

00:24:14   road through the area and I'm like that [TS]

00:24:17   it makes no sense to me teeth that [TS]

00:24:19   didn't think the goal is to just empty [TS]

00:24:21   that part of town and no one can do that [TS]

00:24:23   no one can live there anymore like your [TS]

00:24:26   bananas so I go up to [TS]

00:24:28   I go up to 50th they blocked it off I go [TS]

00:24:30   up to 50 50 blocked it off there there [TS]

00:24:33   they have dedicated cops sitting there [TS]

00:24:35   on their motorcycles just to keep you [TS]

00:24:37   from going in the opposite direction of [TS]

00:24:40   the football traffic so that was crazy [TS]

00:24:43   we finally get we're an hour late but we [TS]

00:24:46   finally get to the dinner party and then [TS]

00:24:49   upon leaving the dinner party you know [TS]

00:24:50   we're all tired [TS]

00:24:52   it's late at night we're driving home on [TS]

00:24:53   the freeway that's not that's a long day [TS]

00:24:56   we're driving on the freeway you don't [TS]

00:24:58   understand you you went to this fair and [TS]

00:25:00   then you went to dinner at somebody [TS]

00:25:01   house when we went to dinner somewhere [TS]

00:25:02   else too many things that's like a [TS]

00:25:03   winter activity for me dinner at [TS]

00:25:05   somebody's house and they had a hot tub [TS]

00:25:07   and all the kids went in the hot tub so [TS]

00:25:09   this is like you're getting started to [TS]

00:25:11   see a picture of what my day was like [TS]

00:25:13   and then where it's late [TS]

00:25:15   the baby's asleep in the back driving [TS]

00:25:18   home and the all week long they've had [TS]

00:25:21   signs up on i-5 saying I 5-close [TS]

00:25:24   midnight to 6am because we're going to [TS]

00:25:27   do some work and I guarantee that work [TS]

00:25:29   is not putting GPS nubbins in the road [TS]

00:25:31   that work is some other bullshit like [TS]

00:25:34   like replacing the bricks that hold it [TS]

00:25:37   up or so or worse I I my understanding [TS]

00:25:41   is that they are working on the [TS]

00:25:42   electronic signage electronic signage [TS]

00:25:45   that would have should have said when we [TS]

00:25:49   said the highway was closed from [TS]

00:25:51   midnight to 6am what we meant was we're [TS]

00:25:53   going to start narrowing the highway [TS]

00:25:56   down to one lane at 9pm and so we come [TS]

00:26:00   here we come around come over the rise [TS]

00:26:02   just past the last exit where you could [TS]

00:26:05   get off before the longest stretch of [TS]

00:26:08   the highway where there are no exits and [TS]

00:26:10   traffic comes to a complete stop [TS]

00:26:12   ten o'clock at night and it was to that [TS]

00:26:15   is brutal and then you're just sitting [TS]

00:26:17   there in the dark surrounded by [TS]

00:26:19   thousands of people you hate [TS]

00:26:21   all trying to get all trying to get five [TS]

00:26:24   lanes of traffic down into one lane and [TS]

00:26:29   I you know I honestly [TS]

00:26:32   well i mean what i did was devised a new [TS]

00:26:34   a whole new traffic scheme for the city [TS]

00:26:37   we have plenty of time I had all the [TS]

00:26:39   time in the world and I had all the [TS]

00:26:41   motivation and and pneumatic tubes is [TS]

00:26:45   what i came up with [TS]

00:26:46   yeah i'm gonna do you could turn the [TS]

00:26:50   roads into parks and just to be [TS]

00:26:52   everybody there [TS]

00:26:54   what did this is the other part III [TS]

00:26:56   think it's an extremely interesting idea [TS]

00:26:58   so I isn't that kind of money on musk is [TS]

00:27:00   doing with two backs or whatever it's [TS]

00:27:01   called two backs right i mean i'm a [TS]

00:27:03   i-i-i feel like I feel like he and I are [TS]

00:27:06   so often on the same page we line up [TS]

00:27:08   with each other [TS]

00:27:09   how hard would it be to backs I you know [TS]

00:27:12   you take yeah you vacuum out the air you [TS]

00:27:14   move people around you didn't answer to [TS]

00:27:17   what I'm realizing know that like [TS]

00:27:18   there's a huge Apocrypha c22 my thing [TS]

00:27:21   which is that it isn't it isn't that I [TS]

00:27:23   like want to be green necessarily I you [TS]

00:27:25   know like anybody feels wasteful to me [TS]

00:27:27   to go and spend four dollars a gallon on [TS]

00:27:30   gas to go buy things I don't know why [TS]

00:27:32   that bug me the idea of somebody gas in [TS]

00:27:34   your car that you can drive somewhere to [TS]

00:27:36   buy something and bring it home feels [TS]

00:27:37   vastly inefficient to me [TS]

00:27:39   well yeah have you seen the movie they [TS]

00:27:41   live recently are you kidding LOL oh [TS]

00:27:43   hello huge yeah but on the other hand I [TS]

00:27:47   the other interesting trend now that [TS]

00:27:50   we're a current events podcast is an [TS]

00:27:52   idea of like yeah you know what they [TS]

00:27:54   very loosely calling the sharing economy [TS]

00:27:55   so like you know there are cases where [TS]

00:27:59   it is way easier to take an uber [TS]

00:28:01   somewhere I've never done lift or [TS]

00:28:02   sidecar but you know it's cop super [TS]

00:28:05   costly in San Francisco but in some [TS]

00:28:06   cases it's just way easier global in [TS]

00:28:08   that case what I let somebody else do my [TS]

00:28:09   driving somebody probably doesn't have [TS]

00:28:11   full insurance and i also have my very [TS]

00:28:15   frequently use because i hate driving [TS]

00:28:17   places to buy things now use the service [TS]

00:28:19   here in town that will deliver groceries [TS]

00:28:21   yep I've ever described the service to [TS]

00:28:23   you [TS]

00:28:24   this is the one where they bring they [TS]

00:28:26   bring paper towels right you can bring [TS]

00:28:28   toilet paper and paper towels [TS]

00:28:29   that's that's amazon also but [TS]

00:28:30   there-there's a there are so used to be [TS]

00:28:32   that they're in the dot-com age people [TS]

00:28:34   that owe [TS]

00:28:35   oh-ho will go start a company to deliver [TS]

00:28:37   groceries [TS]

00:28:38   another common was that a common [TS]

00:28:40   explanation in the.com days oh ho yeah [TS]

00:28:42   oh you have to have that right your [TS]

00:28:44   pitch deck oh how ya know it's funny [TS]

00:28:47   like doing a web van and the pea pod and [TS]

00:28:50   all of those and of course they realized [TS]

00:28:51   very quickly that know they were [TS]

00:28:52   actually gonna be in the trucking [TS]

00:28:53   business because now they're gonna have [TS]

00:28:55   to go out and start trucking company so [TS]

00:28:56   what do you do now [TS]

00:28:57   well i think you know what people pick [TS]

00:28:59   up on pretty fast with these services [TS]

00:29:01   like the one I use is that basically you [TS]

00:29:04   go to a pretty website you order your [TS]

00:29:06   groceries and then they get delivered to [TS]

00:29:08   your house but they know safeway doing [TS]

00:29:10   that ain't no Whole Foods that's [TS]

00:29:12   basically uber for groceries [TS]

00:29:13   oh it's subcontracting out to [TS]

00:29:16   independent drivers independent it'sit's [TS]

00:29:19   bunch of like SF State students like the [TS]

00:29:21   basically go by your milk put in their [TS]

00:29:23   filthy car and drive to your house and [TS]

00:29:25   I'm hot I'm hot on it i'm talkin some as [TS]

00:29:27   a student no no big car now they have a [TS]

00:29:31   good film program but still that the [TS]

00:29:33   thing is that is very hypocritical [TS]

00:29:34   hypocritical of me in a lot of ways also [TS]

00:29:37   hypocritical is hypocritical look if the [TS]

00:29:40   Cryptkeeper the time but you know I [TS]

00:29:43   think about a lot of it is just the [TS]

00:29:44   selfishness of I don't like driving it [TS]

00:29:46   did to me that I'm not fun to drive in [TS]

00:29:49   the city's not really that's what I you [TS]

00:29:51   know I used to like I used to like it [TS]

00:29:52   when I had to drive somewhere for the [TS]

00:29:54   holiday [TS]

00:29:55   I would enjoy like a four to six hour [TS]

00:29:57   drive from say like you know [TS]

00:29:59   Tallahassee to the Bay Area sure [TS]

00:30:01   somebody waiting you could roll the IC [TS]

00:30:03   different bear different very sorry that [TS]

00:30:05   the secondary area if you can drive from [TS]

00:30:07   Tallahassee to the bay area in six hours [TS]

00:30:09   you're already in pneumatic tubes you go [TS]

00:30:11   from Leon count that's true [TS]

00:30:13   Leon County Pasco County depending on [TS]

00:30:15   how often you stop and whether you [TS]

00:30:17   observe the speed limits of you know for [TS]

00:30:19   a six hour drive [TS]

00:30:20   that's a nice John is because that's [TS]

00:30:22   time for your brain unwind and think [TS]

00:30:25   about shit figure out how to build [TS]

00:30:27   pneumatic tubes [TS]

00:30:28   it's not the kind of thing where you're [TS]

00:30:29   sitting intensely in traffic staring at [TS]

00:30:31   taillights and wondering if you're ever [TS]

00:30:33   going to see your home again on its [TS]

00:30:34   ideal in Florida because because the [TS]

00:30:37   because there are no there is no [TS]

00:30:40   altitude of any kind in Florida you [TS]

00:30:42   never are distracted by coming up over a [TS]

00:30:45   rise and having a beautiful view [TS]

00:30:47   it's completely unobstructed by beauty [TS]

00:30:49   which really helps you focus on your [TS]

00:30:50   to-buy do you can drive drive six hours [TS]

00:30:53   across Florida and just feel like you [TS]

00:30:55   are in a terrarium the entire time like [TS]

00:30:58   you were an ad or an aunt in a terrarium [TS]

00:31:01   oh my god that's the most beautiful [TS]

00:31:02   cracker barrel I've ever seen up [TS]

00:31:05   well I had an interesting experience the [TS]

00:31:07   other day you know you know of America's [TS]

00:31:13   a hit [TS]

00:31:14   singing sensation paul and storm right [TS]

00:31:16   yes you're familiar with this with this [TS]

00:31:18   hit the same group [TS]

00:31:19   oh yeah they're sensation yeah and call [TS]

00:31:22   runs everything and drives and storm [TS]

00:31:24   doesn't talk so much a storm has stormed [TS]

00:31:26   storms deep thinker storms storms [TS]

00:31:28   turning turning me when he says [TS]

00:31:30   something if you got pretty goddamn [TS]

00:31:32   funny when he says it but so Paul and [TS]

00:31:35   storm recognize that it was my birthday [TS]

00:31:36   and they sent me in the mail a large [TS]

00:31:42   volume which is the eighteen ninety nine [TS]

00:31:45   to nineteen hundred US Geological Survey [TS]

00:31:48   census of various sort of mining [TS]

00:31:55   communities around the country and then [TS]

00:31:58   their initial census of Alaska the first [TS]

00:32:04   like so you know 1898 was pretty big [TS]

00:32:08   year for Alaska a prior to 1898 no one [TS]

00:32:13   had any reason to go to Alaska and after [TS]

00:32:16   1898 a lot of people felt like they had [TS]

00:32:18   a very good reason to go to last place [TS]

00:32:21   you'd go to escape an abusive [TS]

00:32:23   relationship were merely hideout [TS]

00:32:25   it was pretty hard to get to write it [TS]

00:32:28   still is that still it's still true [TS]

00:32:30   Alaskan today it's extremely license [TS]

00:32:31   place [TS]

00:32:32   yeah escaped from an abusive [TS]

00:32:34   relationship come to Alaska but in 1890 [TS]

00:32:38   in 1899 I of the vast majority of Alaska [TS]

00:32:43   was unknown charted and so this geologic [TS]

00:32:48   survey this large book represented the [TS]

00:32:55   government sending dozens of guys up to [TS]

00:33:00   the state and and basically they said to [TS]

00:33:02   them like ok you five guys go up the [TS]

00:33:05   Copper River and see if you can figure [TS]

00:33:08   out a way to go up the Copper River and [TS]

00:33:10   make it over to you know make it matter [TS]

00:33:14   if you can get over land 240-mile then [TS]

00:33:18   make maps of everything you see and then [TS]

00:33:20   come back and tell us what you found and [TS]

00:33:22   you guys go up the Matanuska River and [TS]

00:33:25   see how far up there you can get and we [TS]

00:33:27   know somewhere up there is for UConn but [TS]

00:33:29   that's going to be a long trip and just [TS]

00:33:31   make maps of everything you see and it [TS]

00:33:33   was really that speculative it was [TS]

00:33:34   really like we have these little dots we [TS]

00:33:36   know about and not sure what happens in [TS]

00:33:37   between that's exactly what it was they [TS]

00:33:40   were like we know we know there are [TS]

00:33:41   because you know 18 eighteen ninety-nine [TS]

00:33:44   there are no airplanes either so no one [TS]

00:33:46   has even flown over and surveyed it they [TS]

00:33:50   just know from from those that first [TS]

00:33:54   I mean obviously the Russians were in [TS]

00:33:58   Alaska in the eighteen thirties but they [TS]

00:34:01   were there mostly in boats and they were [TS]

00:34:04   there interacting with with the Eskimo [TS]

00:34:06   tribes and the Indian tribes and just [TS]

00:34:08   collecting for some it was all about [TS]

00:34:10   furs until they discovered gold and so [TS]

00:34:14   you know yeah there were a few got a few [TS]

00:34:16   people had like a few Whitey's had gone [TS]

00:34:20   up the rivers and and married an indian [TS]

00:34:22   girl and we're living up there but there [TS]

00:34:24   was no real sense of I mean they're huge [TS]

00:34:28   so anyway I'm so so these guys at the [TS]

00:34:30   pawn store bought me this book they sent [TS]

00:34:32   it to me in the mail [TS]

00:34:33   the book is pretty trashed but in it are [TS]

00:34:37   all these maps and color plates drawn at [TS]

00:34:42   the time driving it you know whatever I [TS]

00:34:44   mean this is this book came out that [TS]

00:34:47   year and it's it they are maps drawn of [TS]

00:34:51   places i know but sort of the first [TS]

00:34:56   impression of these places and like well [TS]

00:34:58   we went up this valley went up that [TS]

00:35:00   Valley but we didn't go up the third [TS]

00:35:01   valley and here in and and it's also a [TS]

00:35:05   geologic survey so they're talking about [TS]

00:35:07   the the the rocks they're looking for [TS]

00:35:10   they're looking for gold really and [TS]

00:35:13   copper and coal and in their mission is [TS]

00:35:16   to kind of identify what the what it [TS]

00:35:19   looks like the land can produce and lo [TS]

00:35:24   and behold these reports that these guys [TS]

00:35:27   wrote are incredibly chatty because [TS]

00:35:33   these aren't these aren't guys with [TS]

00:35:36   pocket protectors driving around [TS]

00:35:39   Yosemite in 1955 trying to figure out if [TS]

00:35:44   there's enough feldspar in the shift to [TS]

00:35:48   justify you know to justifies drilling a [TS]

00:35:53   borehole right these are guys in bear [TS]

00:35:58   skins who are who are portaging like [TS]

00:36:02   sealskin canoes [TS]

00:36:05   up and and as soon as they go up the [TS]

00:36:08   river and over the past there somewhere [TS]

00:36:10   where know where that there's no [TS]

00:36:13   information and that you know they're [TS]

00:36:17   not just exploring it they're also [TS]

00:36:19   serving at making maps and and using [TS]

00:36:22   technical instruments to to try and make [TS]

00:36:26   maps accurate so these guys are writing [TS]

00:36:29   reports and the reports read a little [TS]

00:36:32   bit i mean they're a little dry but they [TS]

00:36:34   read kind of like an adventure book [TS]

00:36:36   looks like one of the paragraphs was [TS]

00:36:39   like well you know steamboat Jim went [TS]

00:36:42   over that past two years ago but his [TS]

00:36:44   companion froze to death and so he [TS]

00:36:45   turned around and you know made [TS]

00:36:48   overwintered by hollowing out a tauntaun [TS]

00:36:52   and you know and then he came back down [TS]

00:36:56   to copper junction and we we put [TS]

00:36:59   together in the with a you know all this [TS]

00:37:01   kind of adventure story telling what i [TS]

00:37:04   said to 11 foot long to news are not as [TS]

00:37:07   good as 120 foot long to New make it [TS]

00:37:10   make a note of this for everybody coming [TS]

00:37:11   coming coming next time you know like [TS]

00:37:14   bring one big canoe not too small canoes [TS]

00:37:17   and i was struck having just been to the [TS]

00:37:22   XOXO festival i was struck again by the [TS]

00:37:27   fact that people in history people [TS]

00:37:31   hundred years ago were just as smart as [TS]

00:37:36   we are people a thousand years ago were [TS]

00:37:39   just as smart as we are like Socrates [TS]

00:37:44   was just as smart as the smartest one of [TS]

00:37:48   us 2,000 years ago and you know i have [TS]

00:37:54   to be constantly reminded of that [TS]

00:37:55   because again just being at the XOXO [TS]

00:38:00   festival and walking around and feeling [TS]

00:38:02   like hey everybody here is really smart [TS]

00:38:04   and there's not a lot I mean there's a [TS]

00:38:07   certain amount of self-satisfaction in a [TS]

00:38:09   in that kind of group of people that are [TS]

00:38:12   like we're all really smart but that [TS]

00:38:14   festival was was very pleasantly without [TS]

00:38:18   a lot [TS]

00:38:18   out of smugness right people also [TS]

00:38:21   recognized I mean I'm smart but [TS]

00:38:23   everybody else here is to there was a [TS]

00:38:25   lot of humility there but the general [TS]

00:38:28   idea of a thing like that is where that [TS]

00:38:31   no one has ever been as smart as us [TS]

00:38:32   because we are developing these new [TS]

00:38:35   technologies we are making the world a [TS]

00:38:37   better place we are solving problems [TS]

00:38:39   that have never been solved before and [TS]

00:38:41   there's this you know this real like [TS]

00:38:43   seductive feeling that we are the [TS]

00:38:46   smartest ones who have ever been and I'm [TS]

00:38:50   i'm reading this geologic Geological [TS]

00:38:53   Survey and that the adventure stories [TS]

00:38:55   are racist as can be you know these guys [TS]

00:38:59   will come into a little village in there [TS]

00:39:00   just like well you know the natives here [TS]

00:39:02   are our pretty sordid and shiftless and [TS]

00:39:08   but they seem to be you know [TS]

00:39:12   comparatively intelligence such that you [TS]

00:39:14   might be able to teach them to read and [TS]

00:39:17   just matter of fact as can be just like [TS]

00:39:19   this is a report of the of the ground as [TS]

00:39:21   we find it you might be able to teach [TS]

00:39:24   these natives to read and there's a lot [TS]

00:39:28   of feldspar anything is that that's not [TS]

00:39:31   that that long ago [TS]

00:39:33   no not so that's just a little bit shy [TS]

00:39:36   that's couple years for my grandfather [TS]

00:39:38   was born [TS]

00:39:39   yeah my great-grandfather one of my [TS]

00:39:41   great-grandfather's went to the went to [TS]

00:39:43   the Yukon to make his fortune in the [TS]

00:39:46   gold Russian and did not make his [TS]

00:39:48   fortune there and i still am suffering [TS]

00:39:51   the consequences [TS]

00:39:52   who him not striking it rich and in the [TS]

00:39:55   Goldilocks planets dignity for you today [TS]

00:39:57   yeah yep but so these guys you know [TS]

00:40:01   there they are a in some ways like they [TS]

00:40:06   do not have are they do not have our [TS]

00:40:08   technology right they don't have our [TS]

00:40:10   mechanical technology and they don't [TS]

00:40:13   have our thought technology because both [TS]

00:40:16   things are cumulative like technology is [TS]

00:40:20   a kids is cumulative and and [TS]

00:40:23   intellectual technology is cumulative [TS]

00:40:26   but as far as like intelligence [TS]

00:40:30   it's all there and it's been there for [TS]

00:40:32   thousands of years and I I i think i [TS]

00:40:37   think i need to i think i need to have [TS]

00:40:39   that embroidered and hung over my bed [TS]

00:40:43   food you know because because we are we [TS]

00:40:47   absolutely are standing on the shoulders [TS]

00:40:49   of giants in it in the the sense that we [TS]

00:40:53   know how we can split the atom now and [TS]

00:40:56   they didn't know how to do that 50 years [TS]

00:40:58   ago I guess something somebody today [TS]

00:41:00   knows how to split the atom there is [TS]

00:41:02   someone somewhere who can split the atom [TS]

00:41:03   and there was someone somewhere that [TS]

00:41:05   could do it in nineteen forty foot now I [TS]

00:41:07   am agreeing with you that we we like two [TS]

00:41:09   days in the in the warm glow of other [TS]

00:41:13   people's intelligence we've heard about [TS]

00:41:15   know that we can say things like we can [TS]

00:41:17   split the atom rising III can't [TS]

00:41:19   understand what my sink is leaking [TS]

00:41:21   haha have a big pot under it because i [TS]

00:41:23   have not figured out what's happening [TS]

00:41:25   yeah our collective intelligence meaning [TS]

00:41:27   that the 25 people who actually know how [TS]

00:41:29   to do things we hope we all get to bask [TS]

00:41:33   in their glow but but we spend a lot of [TS]

00:41:36   time thinking and talking about ideas as [TS]

00:41:41   though [TS]

00:41:41   well either that where the first people [TS]

00:41:43   to ever have ideas [TS]

00:41:45   certainly that were the first people to [TS]

00:41:46   ever have these ideas and and then i [TS]

00:41:50   read any book from any time period and [TS]

00:41:56   realize that they were all churning [TS]

00:41:58   those ideas all the time with you know [TS]

00:42:01   we've made such minut progress and well [TS]

00:42:08   so back to pneumatic tubes [TS]

00:42:10   I feel like that's the next leap here [TS]

00:42:12   here's the other thing this is this is [TS]

00:42:14   nested in what you're saying but I have [TS]

00:42:15   to call this out i'm thinking you know I [TS]

00:42:17   don't know one thing like that John [TS]

00:42:18   Carpenter movie the thing if you because [TS]

00:42:20   you have it because that's all you think [TS]

00:42:21   about relating that I really love [TS]

00:42:23   that movie you don't think about [TS]

00:42:25   Jonathan Coulton also big fan of the [TS]

00:42:27   thing [TS]

00:42:27   oh my gosh it's pretty perfect but you [TS]

00:42:29   take the thing you take alien anything [TS]

00:42:31   where you want to tell the story of [TS]

00:42:33   people going out to do something not [TS]

00:42:35   dissimilar from what you're describing [TS]

00:42:37   let's say you have about you have a [TS]

00:42:38   mission in mind to go to someone to for [TS]

00:42:41   people to go somewhere where people have [TS]

00:42:43   well maybe they've been there maybe they [TS]

00:42:45   died there but we don't know a lot about [TS]

00:42:47   where where these people are going to go [TS]

00:42:48   and we're going to need people who have [TS]

00:42:51   the ability to do the basic engineering [TS]

00:42:54   the recognized during involved in [TS]

00:42:57   finding out whether there's any feldspar [TS]

00:42:59   here that's the video we're going to [TS]

00:43:00   need that we're going to need or [TS]

00:43:01   whatever that may be right [TS]

00:43:03   we're gonna need it so amazing but the [TS]

00:43:05   first guy you sent is the feldspar guy [TS]

00:43:08   this is my point so you got the one [TS]

00:43:10   saying this for just like John Carpenter [TS]

00:43:12   movie or whatever movie should be like [TS]

00:43:14   fucking 11 people you would need you [TS]

00:43:16   need the feldspar a guy you would need [TS]

00:43:18   somebody who knew how to use whatever a [TS]

00:43:21   sextant whatever whatever they're using [TS]

00:43:22   for surveying equipment is all different [TS]

00:43:25   kinds of pseudo engineering skills [TS]

00:43:27   oh and by the way you have to not die [TS]

00:43:29   and you have to be able to do you have [TS]

00:43:31   to be able to conduct to 11-foot canoes [TS]

00:43:34   into an area nobody's ever been to and i [TS]

00:43:36   hope you don't die please please make [TS]

00:43:38   accurate records keep a little blog [TS]

00:43:40   bring it back i'm saying is that's the [TS]

00:43:41   part that blows my mind is how many [TS]

00:43:43   people today could you send off on a [TS]

00:43:45   similar kind of mission certainly things [TS]

00:43:47   have gotten more technological but that [TS]

00:43:49   would take a pretty hearty pretty [TS]

00:43:50   fucking smart set of people to be able [TS]

00:43:52   to go and do that and come back and have [TS]

00:43:54   it be sensible a and that that same [TS]

00:43:59   thing really struck me at just that that [TS]

00:44:05   the massive adventure of of taking what [TS]

00:44:11   i can only imagine was a steamship up to [TS]

00:44:14   Alaska and then bouncing down to some [TS]

00:44:18   kind of small little schooner and [TS]

00:44:21   sailing with a one-eyed captain up to [TS]

00:44:26   the mouth of a river that you that you [TS]

00:44:28   know about and the reason the Copper [TS]

00:44:30   River is named the Copper River is that [TS]

00:44:32   the that's the one of the first people [TS]

00:44:35   one of the first Western dudes to go up [TS]

00:44:37   there [TS]

00:44:37   amber looked around and said looks like [TS]

00:44:39   there's probably a lot of copper around [TS]

00:44:40   here like it's not named that because [TS]

00:44:43   the waters are copper colored or [TS]

00:44:45   whatever it was named that as a as a way [TS]

00:44:47   of notating on a map for the next guy [TS]

00:44:51   that came [TS]

00:44:52   hey copper this visual cue [TS]

00:44:55   yeah it's just like I mean a lot of a [TS]

00:44:57   lot a lot of the reason if you look at [TS]

00:44:59   any map of of America all that like dead [TS]

00:45:04   man's creek and a you know Cole sink [TS]

00:45:08   bottom or whatever like it's all your [TS]

00:45:10   writing things on a map because you want [TS]

00:45:13   because you're not going to be there to [TS]

00:45:14   explain it to the next guy and you want [TS]

00:45:16   him to see what you what you're seeing [TS]

00:45:20   so you go to the Copper River because [TS]

00:45:22   you're like well that sounds like a good [TS]

00:45:23   place to start [TS]

00:45:24   somebody what one of the four guys who [TS]

00:45:27   have been here before said that they [TS]

00:45:29   said you thought it seemed to really [TS]

00:45:30   like there might be some copper up there [TS]

00:45:32   and it's also a big river and then you [TS]

00:45:35   get off and so you can it it's palpable [TS]

00:45:38   in the writing of these guys that they [TS]

00:45:40   know they're on an adventure but they're [TS]

00:45:41   having fun but they are masking or their [TS]

00:45:47   tamping that down because they have a [TS]

00:45:48   job to do and the fun is you know the [TS]

00:45:54   phone is is secondary they wouldn't have [TS]

00:45:56   identified it as fun but they're also [TS]

00:46:00   like nobody's really bitching about [TS]

00:46:03   anything like the guy's friend froze to [TS]

00:46:05   death and he came back and overwintered [TS]

00:46:08   and then you know mustard a new group of [TS]

00:46:10   guys and and went and tried it again [TS]

00:46:14   like they are and and and there were a [TS]

00:46:18   few people that that made it you know [TS]

00:46:20   the one guy that made it all the way to [TS]

00:46:21   Dawson City and he was in his day like [TS]

00:46:25   kind of Harold it is a hero walked all [TS]

00:46:28   this way across the across the place and [TS]

00:46:31   and was making Maps the whole way [TS]

00:46:34   you know I and i really do think that [TS]

00:46:38   that is still and this is one of the [TS]

00:46:40   projects of my whole life is to is to [TS]

00:46:41   see if that is in me too and I do think [TS]

00:46:44   it's in us all its active in us all [TS]

00:46:48   that that the the number of us who [TS]

00:46:51   really would just lay down and die is [TS]

00:46:54   pretty that that's that's fairly rare i [TS]

00:46:57   still be back on the steamboat bitching [TS]

00:46:59   about my room [TS]

00:47:00   he's back on the steamboat dressed in [TS]

00:47:02   white linen you got it and how do you [TS]

00:47:05   mean you're out of seltzer Fanning [TS]

00:47:06   yourself with a handkerchief [TS]

00:47:08   oh ok what I when I Jack you are a [TS]

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00:48:28   line we could not do it without this up [TS]

00:48:31   and you know and and honestly like the [TS]

00:48:36   guys that made all the money it in that [TS]

00:48:38   whole adventure we all know now were [TS]

00:48:40   like the filson company or the guys that [TS]

00:48:42   were selling shovels and it's the bits [TS]

00:48:45   back to Deadwood the guys that were [TS]

00:48:47   selling shovels and gold pants were the [TS]

00:48:49   only ones that made any money right arm [TS]

00:48:52   and that's maybe still true today it's [TS]

00:48:55   the it the guys that are selling the the [TS]

00:48:58   paper towels that delivered by drone [TS]

00:49:01   are are the only ones you know paper a [TS]

00:49:05   drone drone drop of of of paper towels [TS]

00:49:09   is the contemporary gold pan as I sit [TS]

00:49:14   here and think about things like [TS]

00:49:15   whatever dead man's creek or like you [TS]

00:49:18   know the here be dragons stuff up for [TS]

00:49:20   some reason I can think about is how are [TS]

00:49:21   we built a baseball stadium is named [TS]

00:49:24   after a company that sells cellphone [TS]

00:49:25   service but we are gonna they're gonna [TS]

00:49:29   look back at us the nineties are going [TS]

00:49:33   to make the sixties look like they're [TS]

00:49:37   going to look back at us and they're [TS]

00:49:38   gonna say god what a what a dead time [TS]

00:49:43   everybody else all the other generations [TS]

00:49:45   they're smart people skipped a [TS]

00:49:47   generation [TS]

00:49:48   what did what uh what a an empty era the [TS]

00:49:52   comb comer kia ballpark [TS]

00:49:56   I'm looking out the window right now and [TS]

00:49:58   a little murky assure oakham archaea [TS]

00:50:00   what are the ball parks around here [TS]

00:50:02   named I can never remember it's there's [TS]

00:50:03   the there's the safeco field right [TS]

00:50:06   that's the baseball field named after an [TS]

00:50:08   insurance company and then centurylink [TS]

00:50:11   field centurylink is a company that [TS]

00:50:13   links the centuries [TS]

00:50:16   what is it like what they sell fences or [TS]

00:50:18   ancestry services what is that [TS]

00:50:21   well let's find out i have no idea what [TS]

00:50:23   century is also basically go look up the [TS]

00:50:24   various college bowl games which which [TS]

00:50:27   which have started to get some good some [TS]

00:50:29   pretty good names the college bowl names [TS]

00:50:32   oh yeah like what are the chances he [TS]

00:50:34   this is the problem with not being a fan [TS]

00:50:36   as you know full games i think they're [TS]

00:50:39   named after snacks you get snacks you [TS]

00:50:42   get because used to be when I was a kid [TS]

00:50:43   you had the orange bowl [TS]

00:50:44   what you got the Rose Bowl you got the [TS]

00:50:47   cotton bowl now I think today you can [TS]

00:50:50   actually just pay the name after snack [TS]

00:50:51   ship you can just have the free to label [TS]

00:50:54   the dorito bolt let me tell you what [TS]

00:50:57   centurylink is you might have guessed it [TS]

00:50:59   already it is a local provider of [TS]

00:51:02   high-speed internet phone and mobile [TS]

00:51:04   Jesus so centurylink the reason it's [TS]

00:51:07   called centurylink is because it costs [TS]

00:51:11   up a Benjamin to get anything done [TS]

00:51:14   this isn't right there on the big screen [TS]

00:51:19   they should have called it Benjamin link [TS]

00:51:21   on the galaxy so you get it you get 20 [TS]

00:51:24   welcome how can we help you today says [TS]

00:51:26   their website they're so friendly and [TS]

00:51:28   then they have three stock photographs [TS]

00:51:31   there's an african-american family [TS]

00:51:32   looking at a tablet that's residential [TS]

00:51:36   and then they're uh they have to clarify [TS]

00:51:39   that residential is for your home [TS]

00:51:41   high-speed internet and then the next [TS]

00:51:46   quadrant over here and and these colors [TS]

00:51:49   are suspiciously like Microsoft e colors [TS]

00:51:52   it's like kind of a kind of a pumpkin [TS]

00:51:54   orange a sky blue and a pea green pea [TS]

00:51:58   soup green then a small business is the [TS]

00:52:01   second category and there's a guy that [TS]

00:52:03   kind of looks like a cross between Dan [TS]

00:52:06   Benjamin an eel dash is looking at a [TS]

00:52:10   computer that has no identifying [TS]

00:52:12   characteristics [TS]

00:52:14   it's a white computer but it has no but [TS]

00:52:16   the Apple music and they look happy [TS]

00:52:18   he's so happy because he's talking to a [TS]

00:52:20   redheaded lady and she's got a cup of [TS]

00:52:22   coffee they're both looking at a laptop [TS]

00:52:24   that has had the that the apple logo [TS]

00:52:26   digitally removed we have some colored [TS]

00:52:30   pencils next to them small business and [TS]

00:52:32   then under small business it says for [TS]

00:52:34   your growing small business how they [TS]

00:52:37   clarify that if you want to get the [TS]

00:52:38   small business services those are [TS]

00:52:39   particularly well-suited for people with [TS]

00:52:41   a small business that's for your growing [TS]

00:52:42   small business activity from residential [TS]

00:52:44   chung it's different because residential [TS]

00:52:46   is for your home and the thing about a [TS]

00:52:47   thing about small business monic for [TS]

00:52:49   that because your home is your residence [TS]

00:52:51   that's the mnemonic for that [TS]

00:52:52   00 i'm gonna i'm gonna write that down [TS]

00:52:55   you [TS]

00:52:57   they stipulate that your small business [TS]

00:52:59   is growing because they don't want you [TS]

00:53:02   to feel like having a small businesses [TS]

00:53:04   like inferior in any way you are growing [TS]

00:53:07   a small business you have transitively [TS]

00:53:10   am [TS]

00:53:11   yeah if you have a small business that [TS]

00:53:12   is static I don't know which one of [TS]

00:53:14   these you would use because the small [TS]

00:53:16   business plan is just for growing small [TS]

00:53:18   businesses it's it's like a shark while [TS]

00:53:20   slashing toward the enterprise [TS]

00:53:21   oh but wait a small business offers [TS]

00:53:24   cloud [TS]

00:53:25   they got class and they have cloud [TS]

00:53:27   whereas residential doesn't have [TS]

00:53:28   cloud-to-cloud small business has cloud [TS]

00:53:31   any link is our God and then for large [TS]

00:53:35   business they have a tall I'd say 60 [TS]

00:53:40   year old white guy with the gray goatee [TS]

00:53:44   he looks like he's trying to break his [TS]

00:53:46   glasses [TS]

00:53:48   he's holding his classes in both hands [TS]

00:53:50   which I've never seen a person do and [TS]

00:53:53   he's pulling on him like they're a [TS]

00:53:54   wishbone like a turkey wishbone what [TS]

00:53:56   he's thinking about self-harm he is he [TS]

00:53:59   is looking intently at up at a blonde [TS]

00:54:01   woman in white pants she is saying [TS]

00:54:04   something to him it's in unclear what [TS]

00:54:07   and then there's another guy a kind of [TS]

00:54:10   uh seems young seems like he's wearing [TS]

00:54:14   tight pants and then a woman who's [TS]

00:54:16   smiling and that's large business and [TS]

00:54:19   under large businesses says for larger [TS]

00:54:20   local national and global businesses wow [TS]

00:54:25   look at the time and they start with [TS]

00:54:27   cloud sure they don't even sit bother [TS]

00:54:31   saying high-speed internet or anything [TS]

00:54:33   they start with cloud and then go to [TS]

00:54:34   data managed services security and voice [TS]

00:54:38   so they are offering a full suite of [TS]

00:54:42   products at centurylink for a large [TS]

00:54:46   business is not for the high-end large [TS]

00:54:48   businesses they're not even using [TS]

00:54:49   computers anymore it's all pure cloud [TS]

00:54:51   it's just clued in code [TS]

00:54:53   i'm gonna click on large business even [TS]

00:54:55   though i have no right to go in there [TS]

00:54:57   you haven't earned it I have up ok now [TS]

00:55:01   I'm in here and it looks like a really [TS]

00:55:03   interesting wordpress site for a lot of [TS]

00:55:08   green color it's this so large [TS]

00:55:11   businesses green all green and its just [TS]

00:55:15   oh my god it's just cycling through that [TS]

00:55:17   slideshow that every single one of these [TS]

00:55:19   companies corporate websites app it's [TS]

00:55:22   like slideshow of stock photos like a [TS]

00:55:24   blanket or a carousel effect [TS]

00:55:26   yeah oh they're nobodies down now is [TS]

00:55:28   centurylink the home of the Seattle [TS]

00:55:30   soccer's because the colors sound kind [TS]

00:55:31   of similar so it is home of the sockers [TS]

00:55:34   and I believe that that can [TS]

00:55:37   only mean that the CenturyLink is some [TS]

00:55:41   kind of paul allen microsoft a like [TS]

00:55:45   front company right i mean they're not [TS]

00:55:47   paul allen and Microsoft are not going [TS]

00:55:50   to let some company have the naming [TS]

00:55:52   rights to their stadium if they aren't [TS]

00:55:57   all super mobbed up in bed with each [TS]

00:55:59   other right [TS]

00:56:00   make sense yeah I mean Paul Ellen [TS]

00:56:03   basically owns this Seattle soccer's and [TS]

00:56:05   the footballs uh-oh here's the footballs [TS]

00:56:07   as well he's bad didn't get what you you [TS]

00:56:10   probably weren't watching the Super [TS]

00:56:11   Bowls last year but I had a TV I keep me [TS]

00:56:15   and watch it after they won the contest [TS]

00:56:18   a paul allen is suddenly on the stick on [TS]

00:56:22   this the field he's and it looks like [TS]

00:56:24   somebody has delivered a bag of laundry [TS]

00:56:26   to the field he's hoisting up the he's [TS]

00:56:30   hosting up the the trophy it was sort of [TS]

00:56:32   like this signature look which is a look [TS]

00:56:36   of like total lack of enjoyment lon can [TS]

00:56:41   make can make any child's birthday party [TS]

00:56:43   into awake it and he's out there and [TS]

00:56:48   he's hoisting this football trophy up [TS]

00:56:50   and it's like very clear to everyone who [TS]

00:56:53   owns the footballs and it is this guy [TS]

00:56:56   this this guy who long time ago had a [TS]

00:56:59   beard and wrote presumably some code [TS]

00:57:02   some like WordStar code right [TS]

00:57:05   I think so yeah poland was like on the [TS]

00:57:08   word starteam sure and some ms daus or [TS]

00:57:11   her that ran on some 64k it types a bit [TS]

00:57:18   pipes right at minesweeper minesweeper [TS]

00:57:21   ok get Clippy wasn't totally be haha you [TS]

00:57:28   look like you're trying to write a [TS]

00:57:29   letter and so this guy for whatever [TS]

00:57:33   reason we determine in our culture in [TS]

00:57:36   our like end of history capitalism that [TS]

00:57:39   this guy's worth six to nine billion [TS]

00:57:42   dollars depending on the bit where the [TS]

00:57:43   wind is blowing sure and he bones the [TS]

00:57:46   footballs and he gets to go out and [TS]

00:57:48   hoist the trophy and now he's named this [TS]

00:57:51   the CenturyLink whoever they are [TS]

00:57:53   doubtful that they are profitable [TS]

00:57:55   company they named the soccer stadium [TS]

00:57:58   after themselves [TS]

00:58:00   what does that cost I wonder oh my [TS]

00:58:03   goodness and you know I think that's a [TS]

00:58:05   multi-year multimillion-dollar deal i'm [TS]

00:58:09   looking here so you have you been to a [TS]

00:58:10   ball game with the Giants here in town i [TS]

00:58:14   have not been to a giants game now it's [TS]

00:58:17   a nice it really is a cool park it's one [TS]

00:58:19   of those new old parks right it looks [TS]

00:58:21   old and fitness got sushi and garlic [TS]

00:58:24   fries and stuff it's a lot of fun it's a [TS]

00:58:26   lot of fun just later just like the [TS]

00:58:27   minor 49ers yeah sushi garlic flat fries [TS]

00:58:30   or what those guys without copper river [TS]

00:58:32   part of santa clara county just just [TS]

00:58:34   like the 49ers before them slipping on [TS]

00:58:37   the board but to this place started so [TS]

00:58:40   the original name i see i think you can [TS]

00:58:42   everybody's pretty excited to get this [TS]

00:58:43   park is candlestick is pretty gross but [TS]

00:58:45   the original name was my phone company [TS]

00:58:48   as well as well [TS]

00:58:49   pacific bell park it was whole pack bell [TS]

00:58:51   i packed ballpark [TS]

00:58:52   I can totally live with this is got a [TS]

00:58:54   statistic in the name em and then [TS]

00:58:57   getting bought out so it became SBC park [TS]

00:58:59   so our new awesome stadium became spc [TS]

00:59:03   park and wait does builds a bank right [TS]

00:59:05   note that would be the people who bought [TS]

00:59:07   Pacific belt [TS]

00:59:08   only more phone people wait hang on oh [TS]

00:59:11   don't buy a new shirt yet because then [TS]

00:59:13   in 2006 after the merger with spc this [TS]

00:59:16   is fascinating as they say inside [TS]

00:59:17   baseball 2060 became AT&T Park [TS]

00:59:20   so we have only D&T park and i'm [TS]

00:59:23   surprised why does an AT&T just buy up [TS]

00:59:27   all the baby bells again because it it [TS]

00:59:29   seems like uh whatever the antitrust of [TS]

00:59:33   like frenzy we went through at a certain [TS]

00:59:36   point there when we were deciding that [TS]

00:59:38   AT&T couldn't be a monopoly we've [TS]

00:59:40   definitely abandoned that kind of [TS]

00:59:42   thinking oh yeah that's that's old [TS]

00:59:44   school [TS]

00:59:44   I think Facebook should just by AT&T and [TS]

00:59:47   Comcast and just make it easier on all [TS]

00:59:49   of us [TS]

00:59:50   oh just wanna like die in death laser [TS]

00:59:52   company that this trying to take us all [TS]

00:59:53   down [TS]

00:59:54   remember it wasn't very long ago that [TS]

00:59:56   the u.s. government was pursuing [TS]

00:59:57   microsoft for some antitrust a [TS]

00:59:57   microsoft for some antitrust a [TS]

01:00:00   problems because they what was the [TS]

01:00:03   problem is pretty flimsy yeah because [TS]

01:00:05   everybody use their computers that was [TS]

01:00:07   the that was whether a man you know I'm [TS]

01:00:09   not ask legal scholar i think it was [TS]

01:00:10   because internet explorer their web [TS]

01:00:13   browser was bundled with the software [TS]

01:00:15   oh right so you didn't have a choice oh [TS]

01:00:17   yeah gonna see internets like of all the [TS]

01:00:19   things to go after Microsoft about that [TS]

01:00:21   seems pretty weird but yeah and they [TS]

01:00:22   were spooked for years for these I can [TS]

01:00:24   just tell you I'm doing just a tiny bit [TS]

01:00:25   people were pretty spooked about that [TS]

01:00:27   for a long time [TS]

01:00:28   well and I mean and it's really [TS]

01:00:30   inhibited the whole idea of restricting [TS]

01:00:32   access to the Internet as you know who [TS]

01:00:35   know what would know one would dare try [TS]

01:00:38   yeah yeah when the crazy part is the one [TS]

01:00:40   that you know every Apple nerd listening [TS]

01:00:42   to this nose is the way that the Justice [TS]

01:00:44   Department went after Apple for [TS]

01:00:46   price-fixing with bunks [TS]

01:00:48   mmm this big investigation about how [TS]

01:00:50   Apple is trying to fix prices all right [TS]

01:00:52   right whatever else done that since no [TS]

01:00:54   not at all thats not like introduce [TS]

01:00:57   integral part of the Amazon business [TS]

01:01:00   model seed cannot users [TS]

01:01:01   I you know I am always obsessed with the [TS]

01:01:03   the super super villain a persona and [TS]

01:01:06   it's funny because jeff bezos man you [TS]

01:01:08   think about that he's got the drones [TS]

01:01:10   he's got recycled doors [TS]

01:01:11   he's now decided that his company that [TS]

01:01:13   started to sell books will just not sell [TS]

01:01:15   books and that's going to be okay even [TS]

01:01:17   they don't make any money [TS]

01:01:18   there's something going on with that guy [TS]

01:01:20   well the thing about him is he's always [TS]

01:01:22   smiling in photographs which isn't [TS]

01:01:25   common among those guys right i mean [TS]

01:01:27   it's not like i'm paul allen has no [TS]

01:01:29   never smiled not even on his fifth [TS]

01:01:31   birthday [TS]

01:01:32   it looks like he just had like a bunch [TS]

01:01:33   of amyl nitrate for breakfast he's super [TS]

01:01:35   happy super happy he does he looks like [TS]

01:01:38   a river he looks like a he looks like [TS]

01:01:40   somebody who is at burning man and yeah [TS]

01:01:43   he just had to hike out of plywood he's [TS]

01:01:46   just having stuff but by all accounts he [TS]

01:01:50   is a very disagreeable person he sounds [TS]

01:01:52   extremely unpleasant and that he uses it [TS]

01:01:54   sounds like ever heard a couple things [TS]

01:01:56   just sounds like he's his laugh is very [TS]

01:01:59   aggressive and and you know everybody [TS]

01:02:02   likes to like point laughter Steve Jobs [TS]

01:02:03   and what like a mean character he was [TS]

01:02:05   but he sounds like a pretty rough [TS]

01:02:06   character pieces [TS]

01:02:08   uh yeah well I'm sorry are you aware of [TS]

01:02:11   campfire [TS]

01:02:12   the application no no it's just one of [TS]

01:02:17   those teddy bear picnic kind of things [TS]

01:02:19   it's a teddy bear picnic [TS]

01:02:21   ok Jeff Bezos has a thing [TS]

01:02:24   uh an annual meeting called campfire [TS]

01:02:27   sounds nice ego you roast marshmallows [TS]

01:02:29   tell ghost stories i'm the ghost of [TS]

01:02:31   bloody fingers uh so much so so it [TS]

01:02:34   happens in Santa Fe New Mexico every [TS]

01:02:36   year Jeff Bezos handpicks his uh it used [TS]

01:02:41   to be a bunch of like all the famous [TS]

01:02:43   writers Tom Hanks another famous [TS]

01:02:48   famously apparently nice guy [TS]

01:02:51   easy seems to be super nice but Bezos [TS]

01:02:54   invites a like handpicks a bunch of [TS]

01:02:57   really cool cats neil armstrong it's [TS]

01:03:01   like a farm-to-table version of Ted [TS]

01:03:02   right gonna fix you up with his fingers [TS]

01:03:06   and takes you there [TS]

01:03:06   well he bi he does I mean he sends his [TS]

01:03:08   private jet to wherever you are and you [TS]

01:03:10   fly in drones outside your so this is [TS]

01:03:15   this is the great thing so so he has [TS]

01:03:17   this thing it's outside of Santa Fe they [TS]

01:03:19   have they put big long tables out in the [TS]

01:03:22   night under the night sky with [TS]

01:03:24   candelabras and white tablecloths and [TS]

01:03:27   they serve you this beautiful meal and [TS]

01:03:29   then you're all up at this Lodge and you [TS]

01:03:32   have one of these things where a look [TS]

01:03:34   there it's a it's a famous guy x talking [TS]

01:03:38   to famous guy why and while there's [TS]

01:03:40   probably gonna be some innovation that [TS]

01:03:42   comes out of that like oh neato here's [TS]

01:03:45   it's it's weezy he's here and weezy is [TS]

01:03:49   talking to Martha Stewart and they're [TS]

01:03:50   gonna they're gonna come out with the [TS]

01:03:53   new hip-hop label or whatever as [TS]

01:03:56   whatever [TS]

01:03:57   Ted Ted kind of concept but not open to [TS]

01:04:01   the public and he doesn't publicize [TS]

01:04:03   their trade on it it's just for the [TS]

01:04:06   smarts and the riches is it one of those [TS]

01:04:09   a real talk about what happened here [TS]

01:04:11   kind of things a little bit but you walk [TS]

01:04:14   around in your in your in your the [TS]

01:04:17   fleece jacket says campfire on it and [TS]

01:04:19   then other famous is in first class look [TS]

01:04:21   at you and go [TS]

01:04:22   hello like it's a little bit of a [TS]

01:04:24   Masonic ring or something at all haha [TS]

01:04:26   original dot-com great oh but this year [TS]

01:04:30   a lot of the writer people so this is [TS]

01:04:34   the hot spot of this guy he invited all [TS]

01:04:37   the famous writers including a ton of [TS]

01:04:41   people that are published by hash at o2 [TS]

01:04:44   his party and most of them said yes [TS]

01:04:48   because no one says no one a billionaire [TS]

01:04:53   wants to pick you up in his private jet [TS]

01:04:54   and take you to a fancy party where Tom [TS]

01:04:56   Hanks's and a few of these have shed [TS]

01:04:59   writers like staged a little bit of a [TS]

01:05:02   revolt and and wrote and said like um [TS]

01:05:05   for obvious reasons we're not going to [TS]

01:05:06   come to your stupid party because you [TS]

01:05:08   have kind of screwed us out of our book [TS]

01:05:12   sales in there there were a handful of [TS]

01:05:15   writers whose books came out right about [TS]

01:05:17   that time who it was just like if your [TS]

01:05:19   if your record was released on 911 or [TS]

01:05:23   something it was just like it's all over [TS]

01:05:25   you can't if Amazon isn't stalking your [TS]

01:05:27   book like forget it and so I was talking [TS]

01:05:31   to one of these writers who had a [TS]

01:05:34   best-selling novel the best-selling [TS]

01:05:36   novel the follow-up to the best-selling [TS]

01:05:38   novel came out on hash it and was one of [TS]

01:05:43   the books targeted by amazon to me to be [TS]

01:05:47   kept out of the stores are out of the [TS]

01:05:49   virtual stores but then she was tendered [TS]

01:05:52   an invitation to camp fire just like [TS]

01:05:55   without even the left hand doesn't know [TS]

01:05:58   what the right hand is doing Elizabeth [TS]

01:06:00   Gilbert I I won't name that I want me [TS]

01:06:04   right [TS]

01:06:05   but i would love to see her letter which [TS]

01:06:08   out i would love to see here just go [TS]

01:06:10   fucking hammer and tongs on that guy [TS]

01:06:12   so we were doctoring and we started to [TS]

01:06:16   devise a plan and I'm going to reveal [TS]

01:06:19   this plan to to our listening audience [TS]

01:06:22   because AI know that they can keep a [TS]

01:06:24   secret [TS]

01:06:25   ok and BTW i believe that our audience [TS]

01:06:27   has the power to actually put this plan [TS]

01:06:28   into operation where whereas I do not [TS]

01:06:31   God willing but the night of the big [TS]

01:06:34   campfire dinner when everybody is [TS]

01:06:36   sitting out under the stars at their big [TS]

01:06:39   tables [TS]

01:06:40   it's up on top of a Mesa to above the [TS]

01:06:44   city of santa fe our proposal was a [TS]

01:06:50   swarm of drones swarm of drones with [TS]

01:06:55   cameras you start out you start out [TS]

01:06:57   against like cicadas or something easier [TS]

01:06:59   yeah just what first of all just one [TS]

01:07:03   comes up over the Mesa and just head up [TS]

01:07:05   like a little baby dragon whoa and then [TS]

01:07:08   does a does like a long fast run right [TS]

01:07:11   over the dinner table and everybody [TS]

01:07:13   looks up and then Omaha Beach you people [TS]

01:07:18   eat drones around drones of all sizes [TS]

01:07:20   and just fuckin swarm it video in the [TS]

01:07:25   whole thing will be you know while [TS]

01:07:26   people are running screaming it's like [TS]

01:07:28   this it's like the scene at the end of [TS]

01:07:30   animal house [TS]

01:07:33   yeah that's all the Deathmobile um yeah [TS]

01:07:36   always well yeah [TS]

01:07:40   bezos's standing there gets fragged by [TS]

01:07:43   his own troops [TS]

01:07:44   Niedermayer feel like I feel like this [TS]

01:07:49   this is a great idea it would be very [TS]

01:07:52   easy to do huh [TS]

01:07:55   and it would be so high larious but the [TS]

01:08:00   problem is the real problem is that [TS]

01:08:01   would be his Pearl Harbor and that when [TS]

01:08:03   he would never let that happen again so [TS]

01:08:05   he would make sure that he bought out [TS]

01:08:07   all the drug manufacturers so nobody [TS]

01:08:10   ever fucked up part of my beautiful [TS]

01:08:11   Cabernet [TS]

01:08:13   but you think he never again never [TS]

01:08:16   forget he would say he would say never [TS]

01:08:18   forget but you know what they would have [TS]

01:08:20   their dinner party next year not under [TS]

01:08:23   the fucking stars as though they own the [TS]

01:08:25   universe even in the submarine some I [TS]

01:08:32   suppose you're wondering why I've called [TS]

01:08:33   you are here [TS]