Roderick on the Line

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00:00:25 ◼   ► hello I John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► pretty good [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► mm I'm a little late i'm a little late [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► never late when you said that something [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► happened did you deal traffic problems [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► ah well you know I like to do I like to [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► to plot my movements and and my plan my [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► time so that i have sort of you know [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► everything optimized who and this [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► morning I said well since I've got some [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► coffee in the pot downstairs some cold [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► coffee in the pot I don't have to like [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► rush to get out of the house because i [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► don't have to stop for coffee on the way [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► food and then that little you know [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► allowing for that little bit of a extra [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► wiggle time as i like to call it who was [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► giving myself some wiggle time and [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► that's never a good idea you gotta do [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► you gotta you gotta have a schedule you [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► guys stick to it [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► so once i introduced the idea of wiggle [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► time because i had cold coffee in the [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► pot it it was that that little extra bit [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► of chaos that then through the whole the [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► wheels completely off the wagon [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► yeah the the cascading effect right [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► against everything gets pushed out [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► that's right i put a little wiggle here [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► a little wiggle their food and then [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► pretty soon you know I had recently had [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► thirty percent more wiggle time you know [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► because i had to spend a little bit of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► time looking out the window watching the [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► neighbors had to play i had to play one [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► game of threes 19 you can play one game [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► of threes you know I have a way I play [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► wake up game of three is when i wake up [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► play game threes and that sets me on [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► sets me on the course for the day [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► and uh but then you know like a course I [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► i had to add find a pair of socks and [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► that was that turned into more of it [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► more of an ordeal cuz i was on one side [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► of the house and I was like I know [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► there's a pair of socks over here and I [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► didn't abandoned once i realized there [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► wasn't a pair of socks readily at hand [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► I didn't band abandoned finding socks on [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► that side of the house I could have just [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► gone to the other side of the house [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► where the Sox abound but I stayed on the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► side of the house i was on because i [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► knew i was going to find a pair of socks [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► over there somewhere but you know these [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► kinds of post-mortems post-mortem can be [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► really valuable you know you learn that [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► you're learning a lot [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► you're you know that right you could you [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► could for example start planting socks [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► around the house [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► well and that's the thing that's what I [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► typically do there are socks all over [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► the house little sock caches and the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► problem was i identified the nearest [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► stock cash i went there there was only [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► one sock in it right not a pair of socks [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► and and this infuriated me it was up [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► there was one sock in a little cash with [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► the hat and some gloves and so you know [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► their elements of this sock cash that [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► seemed like maybe they've their leftover [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► from spring right why would there be [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► gloves in cash [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► it's all good detective work and it's [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► october whatever month that is October [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► it's october and so so I was like that's [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► a little off-putting but then I you know [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► so then I'm like searching around i know [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► there's another sock cash nearby this [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► one because the sock caches again always [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► in threes [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► anyway it got it got it I got a little [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► bit sidetracked [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► I had to load the dishwasher and you [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► know of course that's that's not a thing [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► you can just do you have to work it out [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► anyway I was a little late coming to our [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► broadcast and so I you know my apologies [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► to you and all of our listeners know I [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► don't think they might it was worth the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► wait [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► CII don't get all of my back here [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► lighting i get y Sox get lost in the [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► laundry [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► I mean I think there's a variety of ways [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► lot of transport involved wear a pair of [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► socks [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► maybe maybe a single sock win doesn't [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► matter i even understand what my [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► daughter only has one of any sock she's [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► got like 17 single socks and that's her [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► sock collection luckily she's like to [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► have fun with it and mix it up which i [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► think is great saves us a lot of money [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► we have as many as were clever i always [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► take my socks off in the same way which [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► they take them both off and make a tidy [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► little nut ball exactly but I kind of [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► join them together I married them with a [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► little fold so when I find a single sock [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► I know there's a monkey business up [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► that's that's life fucking with me when [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► I find a single sock so you're saying [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that you've tried to eliminate the [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► possibility of socks getting separated [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► and even in spite of it you have rogue [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► socks [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► yes yes and I don't want to feel like a [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► nut about this but all I'm saying is [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► that I have learned that in life there [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► are certain em small steps one can take [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► to keep the demon dogs at bay and one of [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► them is a very small one which is that [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► you just keep the stock spared [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► yeah I are always together they're [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► monogamous god I love that about you [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► I'm like your daughter you know where a [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► couple mismatch socks but then i'm [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► always I'm always afraid as a guy my age [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► you we've talked about this many times [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► yeah I remember being 20 and seeing 30 [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► year olds that I felt like where were [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► repping a level of quirkiness that they [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► didn't think that wasn't authoritative [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► anymore right your third yeah no no I [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► know that level [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► mature mhm and then when I got to be 30 [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► i was like well but I mean you know come [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► on i can still whatever we're of where a [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► peacock feather in my hat every once in [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► awhile and and then I was like but i'm [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► not going to show off my barcode tattoo [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► I can be some 40 year old guy that's [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► like dying his hair and wearing a like [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► German orange glasses frames and no I [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► got to be 40 and I was like well I'm not [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► dying my hair but I'm i might have a [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► pair of german classes frames you don't [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► look like a type that tightly wound [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► typesetter yeah [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► perhaps someone that might be in a [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► documentary about funny faces [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► yeah i and and you know and if someone [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► is making a documentary about typefaces [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► or font faces give me a call because i [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► have a lot of thoughts yeah but but uh [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► but now you know so so yeah I'm like I'm [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► confirmed in the lifestyle up being sort [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► of a middle-aged like a cork write a [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► middle-aged quark quirky guy not quite [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► all the way to somebody who's chosen to [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► live in Berlin but definitely somebody [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► who is you know still like still have a [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► very intentional an intentional sense of [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► personal style [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► yeah but I'm but I worry when I go all [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► the way to like a mismatch socks that [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► I'm like I'm becoming a little cyndi [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► lauper you know what I mean like either [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► do i do I know I know exactly what you [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► mean I know I know it when I see it you [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► want four percent Cyndi Lauper and [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► everything you do you do not want to go [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► into fourteen percent cyndi lauper if [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► you're older than 15 years of age and [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► you're at a whole foods with mismatched [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► socks [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► you need to check yourself mhm because I [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► mean this is just kind of thing if you [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► think about it like it's like brushing [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► your teeth are wiping your ass you know [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► reasons for me and by extension is for [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► other people [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► I'm not gonna go go around a check on my [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► socks mickael like that so I'm so I'm so [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► in some ways lucky that I'm not a woman [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► because if I for a woman my style my [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► personal style my female personal style [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► i think is more flamboyant than my mails [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► personal style is what i'm trying to say [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► if I were a woman I would be I would be [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► pushing the boundaries pretty far [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► I mean I'm not saying that I would be [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► wearing like a skirt over pants or [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► anything crazy like that but i would be [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► idea there are a lot of fun clothes over [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► in the women's section that i would be [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► that I would that I would be availing [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► myself of ICU and I mean this as [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► absolutely as a compliment but but to me [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► you read as a postmenopausal bay area [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► resident in the lady with the travel [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► lady you'd see [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► he at like a silent film festival with [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► chunky jewelry yeah right a lady that's [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► wearing a really big hat and then when [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► you look more closely there's a cat in [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► it you know at first I didn't notice the [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► cat [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► yeah like huh I've done that's a big [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► happen i didn't think it was big enough [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► to have a cat living in it [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► yes it's a cat is that alright with you [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► up my god i think that's good though I [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► mean you know that things it's balanced [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► by your ridiculous amount of masculinity [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► in other ways [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► hmm too bad you're dressed like that [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► when you beat that guy's ass that was [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► kind of funny you know I was dressed [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► pretty plain point where I was anyway [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► the claims suit if you if you look like [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► I don't know like you know it seems like [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► i know we have this in the Bay Area I've [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► seen in other places be like the [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► flamboyant zaftig like 55 year-old woman [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► who reviews films and she's very [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► classical yeah that's the thing she's [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► got like black chunky framed glasses but [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► that are specifically around like she's [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► an architect [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► maybe one of the one of the lenses is [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► like like ten percent bigger than the [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► other leg is slightly different sets of [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► force perception of reality she just [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► won't cartoon eyes [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► no I welcome our weekly feel view [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► argenis canse I'm going the other [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► direction i'm trying to every all day [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► long I'm just I'm walking around I'm [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► second singing I'm saying Lynyrd Skynyrd [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► simple man under my breath all day long [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► just trying to be a simple kind of man [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► to be something that I love and [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► understand i'm trying to be a simple [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► kind of man and wife is that John change [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► periodically to have you as our Sun if I [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► can i get that it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► make a lot of sense moving forward in [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► the lyrics but i think the songs that we [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► sing under our breath are generally not [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► things we share with people because [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► they're very know because it's very [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► difficult to explain why using a [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► particular song on your breath i do it [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► constantly have traveling music music I [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► have a soundtrack for almost everything [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► i do i absolutely do to my primary like [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► my teeth is mhm [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► haha heard you do that [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► haha but that's definitely that's kind [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► of my basic transition music and then [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► when i get to whatever finished one [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► doing I'll go hmmm uh yeah little [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► fanfare right you just like I see three [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► medieval guys in tights with one more [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► long this long trumpets with with [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► banners hanging up and work but their [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► brother man haha but I want to return to [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► the time thing for a minute I got two [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► branches on this one branch is this [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► something you've talked about before I [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► its it seems to me that you have decided [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► what the optimal but he's not an optimal [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► excuse me [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► strike that what the correct amount of [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► time it is to do anything in the Seattle [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► area you live there a very long time [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► you're an excellent driver and you know [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► how long it takes how long it should [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► take you know how long it takes but then [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► I hear other people talk about things [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► like seattle traffic and apparently you [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► can tell me this is true or not but [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► apparently seattle traffic is worse than [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► anyone would imagine uh well and it's [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► it's it's crazy that it is getting worse [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► like on an hourly basis he drive [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► somewhere and then an hour later you [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► drive traffic update is literally a [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► traffic update is traffic got [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► thirty-three percent work today and and [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► some of it is a all the climate change [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► refugees that are pouring in here from [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► California and other places [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► god bless some of it is just all the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► people that keep coming here to work in [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► what we call the new boeing which is [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► amazon.com you know the the reason that [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► they're the reason that Seattle isn't a [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► city of a hundred thousand people is [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that Boeing made big jet airplanes here [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► and for 50 years people came that [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► because there was good high-paying jobs [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► here and now amazon is apparently able [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► to do that although I I mean I still [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► think of amazon as one of those like [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► never profitable companies but maybe I [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► maybe that's my 1999 talking well it's [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► still accurate as of today right so I [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► don't know how they're managing to death [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► it's a break-even company right now [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah right they are still it's all [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► still lost leader stuff for some future [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► profitability that I mean I just don't [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► understand how that but there's a reason [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► you and I are in the corner office [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► haha yes to me you should worry less [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► about drones and more about making money [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► that is pretty amazing i would love to [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► make Don John i would love to have [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► drones delivering things but i find [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► myself having to worry about making [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► I know I know and I would love to have a [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► company that employs whatever 15,000 [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► people all like sitting at desks made [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► out of recycled doors and like trying to [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► corner the market on every single market [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► and that's doing the interview he had a [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► recycled or that's so fucking annoying i [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► forgot about that [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► well no this is that I think I I mean I [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► don't want to give away too much but [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► part of the cult of amazon is that they [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► all use recycled doors that is little [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► too fucking sweet right and it but [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► there's 10,000 people there so they're [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► tearing down old houses in seattle just [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► for the doors and they'll still deliver [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► paper towels they'll deliver a cardboard [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► roll with paper wrapped around it [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► wrapped in plastic wrapped in a [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► cardboard box to my house for free [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► yeah i don't know i don't understand how [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► it works but they are clogging the roads [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► and so that the problem is that i cannot [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► live so so a lot of the people who can [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► who constantly vote down all the [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► initiatives all the public transit [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► initiatives all the you know light rail [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► initiatives all of the hov lanes like [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► all those people that are always voting [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► those initiatives down they are [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► precisely the people who are driving in [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► their cars right though it's like a [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► one-to-one correlation if you are if you [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► have a dodge ram 2500 diesel dually king [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► cab truck i guarantee you a that you [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► vote down every transit initiative and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► be that you are stuck in traffic from [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► five to seven both directions every day [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► and so I don't understand what's going [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► on in these people's minds right i mean [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► they're because they're also [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► unreflective generally so they're [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► sitting in their cabs yelling and [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► pounding on the steering wheel and [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► dragging me one of those initiatives [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► would take people off the road and make [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► their life better right take other [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► drivers off the road and make more room [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► for their truck but they but they vote [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► against those things reflexively [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► right it's just one of the great sort of [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► paradoxes of the above the world that it [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► is that that people now vote against [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► their self-interest in every respect or [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► or at least reactionary people vote [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► against their own self-interest because [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► they imagined i guess that they are [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► somebody different than they are or they [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► imagined that their interests are [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► different than their actual interests [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► but so but i'm on the road and I'm you [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► know Here I am a guy i'm in a car right [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► I am I am legitimately part of the [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► problem i used to live on Capitol Hill [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► where I walked everywhere but then i [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► moved out [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► not all the way to the suburbs but 22 it [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► so what I guess is probably a superb by [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► the by the 1965 definitions of the city [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► it is a suburb and now i am in a car i [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► am I I am recapitulating this problem in [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► my own life but sitting on the highways [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► I just keep my solution to the problem [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► is honestly more technology [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► I I feel like I feel like cars are [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► barbaric and that we that we need to I [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► mean did people not see the movie [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► Minority Report it was maybe not a good [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► movie but those cars that are swarming [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► over every surface like like cockroaches [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► those were pretty cool cockroach cars [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► right cars that are like obviously [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► driverless yeah drone cars are moving [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► super fast pay for with targeted [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► advertising paid for with targeted [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► advertising like we're headed there a [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► facebook car like what we need to do and [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► this is what's confusing to me because [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► Google is working [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► Google is working in a bubble they're [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► making robot cars on their own for their [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► own purposes [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► Elon Musk is across the street right [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► he's over there on the other side of [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► cupertino drive avenue and he's making [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► electric cars that he and he's got a [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► plan and he's giving away his electric [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► technology because he's because he's [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► because he's the punkest of the of all [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► the goatee where [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► and then you got amazon here and there [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► they're making everybody sit recycled [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► doors and then the city government is [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► just it's just you know just like [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► juggling 15 balls just trying to get all [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► these cars through the town and you know [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► then there's some guy sitting at a desk [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► who's in charge of synchronizing the [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► traffic lights and he's he's obviously [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► like got a vape pen that's full of Buck [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► Rogers orgy drug or whatever it because [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► he is whatever whatever buttons he [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► should be pushing he should be pushing [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► the other buttons is my is what i think [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and there's knows there's no systemic [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► there's no nobody's talking to anybody [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► else right nobody from google is coming [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► to the city of seattle and saying look [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► we got these electric cars we got the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► robot cars what we should we should be [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► using Seattle as a test case we should [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► be implanting little geoo gps their [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► nubbins in the streets like let us come [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► in will put the gps nubbins in the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► streets and we'll use Seattle as a as a [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► electric car robot car test bed platform [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► it's got its got to be integrated google [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► can't just sit sit down there make make [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► robot cars and and then again I and [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► that's not a profitable company either [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► all they do is pretty well is that right [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► but you know but I mean I think you're [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► also describing something that seems [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► close to your heart which is that the [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► could be misreading this there's a big [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► difference between rethinking our [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► infrastructure vs vs coming up with a [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► way that hack on a five-hundred-year-old [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► way of travelling so the idea of a road [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► we have to sit and pay attention while [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► you're on the road goes back pretty long [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► way you know you're driving your oxen [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► and watching out of the corner of your [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► eye [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► the idea of putting all that technology [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► into a car that would now ride on these [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► legacy costly roads it's not super [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► useful and it's really not a super [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► useful when you're like hacking the [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► existing laws rather try to try to make [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► something really basically different [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► yeah it's this it's this constant for [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► it's this constant process of wall [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► papering over the last wallpaper and and [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► your rear the dimensions your room just [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► are getting smaller and smaller because [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► you're just slapping wallpaper up on ya [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the this idea of Roman roads and there's [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► I mean and I i know you have this [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► experience you get on the America's [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► highways and you look around it's just [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► like right every single person is alone [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► in their car and this is a bet this was [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► a bad idea [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► I can see the appeal of it in 1918 I can [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► see the appeal of it in 1950 but I do [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► not see the appeal of it now and [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► honestly I don't wanna I don't wanna [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► share a car with my neighbors anymore [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► than the next person does but like that [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► again that's just a different way of [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► thinking about the old way and when I [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► think what we really need is pneumatic [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► tubes I could not agree more i was [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► trying to avoid saying it cuz i know [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► it's a cliché but i totally agree i [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► reached I'm in a really funny position [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► because I I've been in this stupid town [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► long enough and I've been walking and [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► taking public transit primarily for 15 [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► years and I to me the point where you [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► have to get in a car to do anything that [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► isn't fun like somethings that car ride [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► out of town and go to a beach or [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► something like that that's me that's a [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► that's a pretty noble use for a car but [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► when I have to like get in a car to go [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► buy things I feel like I've really lost [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► notice it's not even it's not one [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► particular green impulse or any one [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► thing it's just like we would get in the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► cars like a now and now we gotta go [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► somewhere we're gonna drive we gotta [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► park there [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► we got a good deal with that [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► infrastructure so that we can spend [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► money somewhere that feels really stupid [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► to me [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► well we had a we had a fantastic day of [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► the day we went to the Washington State [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► Fair and that involve driving down to [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► puyallup washington which was my whole [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► life just like the total hick sheepdip [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► farm town now it has become kind of a [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► bedroom community for [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► people who commute but who drive a dodge [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► ram 2500 diesel dually king cab trucks [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► you know so people but still feel like [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► I'm an American I'm i live in the [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► country I live in a house that was [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► stapled together recently by saying that [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► classic Seattle accent by some staple [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► carpenters and i work downtown at the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► costco but I'm a countryman so right [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► right like you're like a you're a ranch [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► owner in training [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► yeah right like I work at Walmart but i [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► have a yard that has a riding lawnmower [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► and so therefore i'm in touch with the [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► land so but puyallup is the pure fair is [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► super fun it's a bit sup it's a place [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► where the they bring the big cabbages [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and they bring the little baby pigs and [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► and so we went down there and we were [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► stuck in traffic getting there [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► surrounded by all these ram chargers and [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► then went on our way out of the fair [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► course you're stuck in ramcharger [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► traffic again and we got up to the city [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► we were going to go over to some [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► people's house for dinner [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► we got up to Seattle well it was a husky [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► football game that day and so then we're [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► in football traffic and the the city and [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► the cops have it all figured out how [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► they're going to get 40,000 football [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► fans out of the University District all [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► at once and their solution to the [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► problem is to block off a bunch of roads [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► I'll just have them dedicated solely to [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► getting people out [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► no just block them off like blocking [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► them off so they don't have to i guess [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► so they don't have to think about it or [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► so they don't have to do that so they [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► have to worry about people pulling [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► u-turns I beat the shit out of me but [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► they like a temple grandin like like a [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► cow's loose that you can't make mistakes [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► you don't make left turns or something [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► it's got to be exactly that it's got to [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► be exactly that that has to see what she [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► could do with seattle's right so very [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► erotic periodic hug machines we go ma'am [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► you have nine months sorted out but so [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► I'm trying to get over to this [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► neighborhood that's on the other side of [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► husky stadium and I come up to 45th [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► which is the big that's the big [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► thoroughfare and they've they've got [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► cars coming out but no cars going in [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► this is the big Road this is the main [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► road through the area and I'm like that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► it makes no sense to me teeth that [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► didn't think the goal is to just empty [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► that part of town and no one can do that [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► no one can live there anymore like your [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► bananas so I go up to [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► I go up to 50th they blocked it off I go [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► up to 50 50 blocked it off there there [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► they have dedicated cops sitting there [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► on their motorcycles just to keep you [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► from going in the opposite direction of [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► the football traffic so that was crazy [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► we finally get we're an hour late but we [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► finally get to the dinner party and then [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► upon leaving the dinner party you know [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► we're all tired [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► it's late at night we're driving home on [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► the freeway that's not that's a long day [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► we're driving on the freeway you don't [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► understand you you went to this fair and [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► then you went to dinner at somebody [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► house when we went to dinner somewhere [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► else too many things that's like a [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► winter activity for me dinner at [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► somebody's house and they had a hot tub [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► and all the kids went in the hot tub so [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► this is like you're getting started to [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► see a picture of what my day was like [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► and then where it's late [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► the baby's asleep in the back driving [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► home and the all week long they've had [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► signs up on i-5 saying I 5-close [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► midnight to 6am because we're going to [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► do some work and I guarantee that work [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► is not putting GPS nubbins in the road [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► that work is some other bullshit like [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► like replacing the bricks that hold it [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► up or so or worse I I my understanding [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► is that they are working on the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► electronic signage electronic signage [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► that would have should have said when we [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► said the highway was closed from [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► midnight to 6am what we meant was we're [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► going to start narrowing the highway [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► down to one lane at 9pm and so we come [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► here we come around come over the rise [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► just past the last exit where you could [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► get off before the longest stretch of [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► the highway where there are no exits and [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► traffic comes to a complete stop [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► ten o'clock at night and it was to that [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► is brutal and then you're just sitting [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► there in the dark surrounded by [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► thousands of people you hate [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► all trying to get all trying to get five [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► lanes of traffic down into one lane and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► I you know I honestly [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► well i mean what i did was devised a new [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► a whole new traffic scheme for the city [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► we have plenty of time I had all the [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► time in the world and I had all the [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► motivation and and pneumatic tubes is [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► what i came up with [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► yeah i'm gonna do you could turn the [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► roads into parks and just to be [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► everybody there [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► what did this is the other part III [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► think it's an extremely interesting idea [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► so I isn't that kind of money on musk is [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► doing with two backs or whatever it's [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► called two backs right i mean i'm a [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► i-i-i feel like I feel like he and I are [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► so often on the same page we line up [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► with each other [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► how hard would it be to backs I you know [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► you take yeah you vacuum out the air you [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► move people around you didn't answer to [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► what I'm realizing know that like [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► there's a huge Apocrypha c22 my thing [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► which is that it isn't it isn't that I [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like want to be green necessarily I you [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► know like anybody feels wasteful to me [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► to go and spend four dollars a gallon on [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► gas to go buy things I don't know why [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► that bug me the idea of somebody gas in [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► your car that you can drive somewhere to [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► buy something and bring it home feels [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► vastly inefficient to me [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► well yeah have you seen the movie they [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► live recently are you kidding LOL oh [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► hello huge yeah but on the other hand I [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► the other interesting trend now that [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► we're a current events podcast is an [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► idea of like yeah you know what they [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► very loosely calling the sharing economy [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► so like you know there are cases where [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► it is way easier to take an uber [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► somewhere I've never done lift or [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► sidecar but you know it's cop super [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► costly in San Francisco but in some [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► cases it's just way easier global in [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► that case what I let somebody else do my [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► driving somebody probably doesn't have [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► full insurance and i also have my very [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► frequently use because i hate driving [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► places to buy things now use the service [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► here in town that will deliver groceries [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► yep I've ever described the service to [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► this is the one where they bring they [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► bring paper towels right you can bring [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► toilet paper and paper towels [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► that's that's amazon also but [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► there-there's a there are so used to be [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► that they're in the dot-com age people [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► that owe [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► oh-ho will go start a company to deliver [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► groceries [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► another common was that a common [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► explanation in the.com days oh ho yeah [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► oh you have to have that right your [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► pitch deck oh how ya know it's funny [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► like doing a web van and the pea pod and [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► all of those and of course they realized [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► very quickly that know they were [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► actually gonna be in the trucking [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► business because now they're gonna have [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► to go out and start trucking company so [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► what do you do now [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► well i think you know what people pick [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► up on pretty fast with these services [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► like the one I use is that basically you [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► go to a pretty website you order your [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► groceries and then they get delivered to [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► your house but they know safeway doing [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► that ain't no Whole Foods that's [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► basically uber for groceries [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► oh it's subcontracting out to [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► independent drivers independent it'sit's [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► bunch of like SF State students like the [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► basically go by your milk put in their [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► filthy car and drive to your house and [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► I'm hot I'm hot on it i'm talkin some as [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► a student no no big car now they have a [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► good film program but still that the [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► thing is that is very hypocritical [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► hypocritical of me in a lot of ways also [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► hypocritical is hypocritical look if the [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► Cryptkeeper the time but you know I [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► think about a lot of it is just the [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► selfishness of I don't like driving it [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► did to me that I'm not fun to drive in [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► the city's not really that's what I you [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► know I used to like I used to like it [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► when I had to drive somewhere for the [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► holiday [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► I would enjoy like a four to six hour [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► drive from say like you know [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► Tallahassee to the Bay Area sure [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► somebody waiting you could roll the IC [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► different bear different very sorry that [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the secondary area if you can drive from [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► Tallahassee to the bay area in six hours [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► you're already in pneumatic tubes you go [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► from Leon count that's true [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► Leon County Pasco County depending on [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► how often you stop and whether you [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► observe the speed limits of you know for [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► a six hour drive [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► that's a nice John is because that's [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► time for your brain unwind and think [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► about shit figure out how to build [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► pneumatic tubes [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► it's not the kind of thing where you're [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► sitting intensely in traffic staring at [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► taillights and wondering if you're ever [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► going to see your home again on its [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► ideal in Florida because because the [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► because there are no there is no [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► altitude of any kind in Florida you [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► never are distracted by coming up over a [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► rise and having a beautiful view [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► it's completely unobstructed by beauty [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► which really helps you focus on your [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► to-buy do you can drive drive six hours [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► across Florida and just feel like you [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► are in a terrarium the entire time like [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► you were an ad or an aunt in a terrarium [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► oh my god that's the most beautiful [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► cracker barrel I've ever seen up [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► well I had an interesting experience the [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► other day you know you know of America's [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► a hit [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► singing sensation paul and storm right [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► yes you're familiar with this with this [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► hit the same group [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► oh yeah they're sensation yeah and call [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► runs everything and drives and storm [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► doesn't talk so much a storm has stormed [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► storms deep thinker storms storms [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► turning turning me when he says [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► something if you got pretty goddamn [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► funny when he says it but so Paul and [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► storm recognize that it was my birthday [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► and they sent me in the mail a large [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► volume which is the eighteen ninety nine [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► to nineteen hundred US Geological Survey [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► census of various sort of mining [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► communities around the country and then [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► their initial census of Alaska the first [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► like so you know 1898 was pretty big [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► year for Alaska a prior to 1898 no one [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► had any reason to go to Alaska and after [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► 1898 a lot of people felt like they had [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► a very good reason to go to last place [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► you'd go to escape an abusive [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► relationship were merely hideout [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► it was pretty hard to get to write it [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► still is that still it's still true [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► Alaskan today it's extremely license [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► yeah escaped from an abusive [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► relationship come to Alaska but in 1890 [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► in 1899 I of the vast majority of Alaska [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► was unknown charted and so this geologic [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► survey this large book represented the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► government sending dozens of guys up to [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► the state and and basically they said to [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► them like ok you five guys go up the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► Copper River and see if you can figure [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► out a way to go up the Copper River and [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► make it over to you know make it matter [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► if you can get over land 240-mile then [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► make maps of everything you see and then [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► come back and tell us what you found and [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► you guys go up the Matanuska River and [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► see how far up there you can get and we [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► know somewhere up there is for UConn but [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► that's going to be a long trip and just [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► make maps of everything you see and it [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► was really that speculative it was [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► really like we have these little dots we [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► know about and not sure what happens in [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► between that's exactly what it was they [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► were like we know we know there are [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► because you know 18 eighteen ninety-nine [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► there are no airplanes either so no one [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► has even flown over and surveyed it they [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► just know from from those that first [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► I mean obviously the Russians were in [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► Alaska in the eighteen thirties but they [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► were there mostly in boats and they were [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► there interacting with with the Eskimo [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► tribes and the Indian tribes and just [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► collecting for some it was all about [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► furs until they discovered gold and so [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► you know yeah there were a few got a few [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► people had like a few Whitey's had gone [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► up the rivers and and married an indian [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► girl and we're living up there but there [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► was no real sense of I mean they're huge [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► so anyway I'm so so these guys at the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► pawn store bought me this book they sent [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► it to me in the mail [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► the book is pretty trashed but in it are [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► all these maps and color plates drawn at [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► the time driving it you know whatever I [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► mean this is this book came out that [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► year and it's it they are maps drawn of [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► places i know but sort of the first [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► impression of these places and like well [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► we went up this valley went up that [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► Valley but we didn't go up the third [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► valley and here in and and it's also a [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► geologic survey so they're talking about [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► the the the rocks they're looking for [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► they're looking for gold really and [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► copper and coal and in their mission is [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► to kind of identify what the what it [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► looks like the land can produce and lo [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► and behold these reports that these guys [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► wrote are incredibly chatty because [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► these aren't these aren't guys with [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► pocket protectors driving around [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► Yosemite in 1955 trying to figure out if [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► there's enough feldspar in the shift to [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► justify you know to justifies drilling a [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► borehole right these are guys in bear [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► skins who are who are portaging like [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► sealskin canoes [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► up and and as soon as they go up the [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► river and over the past there somewhere [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► where know where that there's no [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► information and that you know they're [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► not just exploring it they're also [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► serving at making maps and and using [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► technical instruments to to try and make [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► maps accurate so these guys are writing [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► reports and the reports read a little [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► bit i mean they're a little dry but they [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► read kind of like an adventure book [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► looks like one of the paragraphs was [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► like well you know steamboat Jim went [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► over that past two years ago but his [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► companion froze to death and so he [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► turned around and you know made [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► overwintered by hollowing out a tauntaun [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► and you know and then he came back down [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► to copper junction and we we put [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► together in the with a you know all this [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► kind of adventure story telling what i [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► said to 11 foot long to news are not as [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► good as 120 foot long to New make it [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► make a note of this for everybody coming [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► coming coming next time you know like [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► bring one big canoe not too small canoes [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► and i was struck having just been to the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► XOXO festival i was struck again by the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► fact that people in history people [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► hundred years ago were just as smart as [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► we are people a thousand years ago were [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► just as smart as we are like Socrates [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► was just as smart as the smartest one of [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► us 2,000 years ago and you know i have [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► to be constantly reminded of that [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► because again just being at the XOXO [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► festival and walking around and feeling [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► like hey everybody here is really smart [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► and there's not a lot I mean there's a [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► certain amount of self-satisfaction in a [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► in that kind of group of people that are [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► like we're all really smart but that [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► festival was was very pleasantly without [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► a lot [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► out of smugness right people also [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► recognized I mean I'm smart but [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► everybody else here is to there was a [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► lot of humility there but the general [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► idea of a thing like that is where that [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► no one has ever been as smart as us [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► because we are developing these new [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► technologies we are making the world a [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► better place we are solving problems [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► that have never been solved before and [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► there's this you know this real like [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► seductive feeling that we are the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► smartest ones who have ever been and I'm [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► i'm reading this geologic Geological [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► Survey and that the adventure stories [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► are racist as can be you know these guys [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► will come into a little village in there [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► just like well you know the natives here [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► are our pretty sordid and shiftless and [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► but they seem to be you know [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► comparatively intelligence such that you [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► might be able to teach them to read and [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► just matter of fact as can be just like [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► this is a report of the of the ground as [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► we find it you might be able to teach [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► these natives to read and there's a lot [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► of feldspar anything is that that's not [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► that that long ago [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► no not so that's just a little bit shy [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► that's couple years for my grandfather [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► was born [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► yeah my great-grandfather one of my [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► great-grandfather's went to the went to [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► the Yukon to make his fortune in the [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► gold Russian and did not make his [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► fortune there and i still am suffering [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► the consequences [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► who him not striking it rich and in the [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► Goldilocks planets dignity for you today [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► yeah yep but so these guys you know [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► there they are a in some ways like they [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► do not have are they do not have our [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► technology right they don't have our [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► mechanical technology and they don't [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► have our thought technology because both [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► things are cumulative like technology is [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► a kids is cumulative and and [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► intellectual technology is cumulative [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► but as far as like intelligence [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► it's all there and it's been there for [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► thousands of years and I I i think i [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► think i need to i think i need to have [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► that embroidered and hung over my bed [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► food you know because because we are we [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► absolutely are standing on the shoulders [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► of giants in it in the the sense that we [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► know how we can split the atom now and [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► they didn't know how to do that 50 years [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► ago I guess something somebody today [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► knows how to split the atom there is [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► someone somewhere who can split the atom [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► and there was someone somewhere that [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► could do it in nineteen forty foot now I [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► am agreeing with you that we we like two [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► days in the in the warm glow of other [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► people's intelligence we've heard about [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► know that we can say things like we can [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► split the atom rising III can't [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► understand what my sink is leaking [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► haha have a big pot under it because i [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► have not figured out what's happening [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► yeah our collective intelligence meaning [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that the 25 people who actually know how [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► to do things we hope we all get to bask [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► in their glow but but we spend a lot of [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► time thinking and talking about ideas as [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► though [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► well either that where the first people [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► to ever have ideas [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► certainly that were the first people to [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► ever have these ideas and and then i [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► read any book from any time period and [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► realize that they were all churning [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► those ideas all the time with you know [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► we've made such minut progress and well [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► so back to pneumatic tubes [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► I feel like that's the next leap here [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► here's the other thing this is this is [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► nested in what you're saying but I have [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► to call this out i'm thinking you know I [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► don't know one thing like that John [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► Carpenter movie the thing if you because [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► you have it because that's all you think [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► about relating that I really love [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► that movie you don't think about [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► Jonathan Coulton also big fan of the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► oh my gosh it's pretty perfect but you [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► take the thing you take alien anything [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► where you want to tell the story of [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► people going out to do something not [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► dissimilar from what you're describing [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► let's say you have about you have a [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► mission in mind to go to someone to for [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► people to go somewhere where people have [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► well maybe they've been there maybe they [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► died there but we don't know a lot about [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► where where these people are going to go [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► and we're going to need people who have [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► the ability to do the basic engineering [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► the recognized during involved in [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► finding out whether there's any feldspar [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► here that's the video we're going to [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► need that we're going to need or [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► whatever that may be right [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► we're gonna need it so amazing but the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► first guy you sent is the feldspar guy [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► this is my point so you got the one [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► saying this for just like John Carpenter [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► movie or whatever movie should be like [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► fucking 11 people you would need you [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► need the feldspar a guy you would need [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► somebody who knew how to use whatever a [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► sextant whatever whatever they're using [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► for surveying equipment is all different [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► kinds of pseudo engineering skills [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► oh and by the way you have to not die [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► and you have to be able to do you have [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► to be able to conduct to 11-foot canoes [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► into an area nobody's ever been to and i [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► hope you don't die please please make [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► accurate records keep a little blog [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► bring it back i'm saying is that's the [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► part that blows my mind is how many [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► people today could you send off on a [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► similar kind of mission certainly things [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► have gotten more technological but that [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► would take a pretty hearty pretty [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► fucking smart set of people to be able [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► to go and do that and come back and have [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► it be sensible a and that that same [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► thing really struck me at just that that [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► the massive adventure of of taking what [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► i can only imagine was a steamship up to [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► Alaska and then bouncing down to some [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► kind of small little schooner and [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► sailing with a one-eyed captain up to [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the mouth of a river that you that you [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► know about and the reason the Copper [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► River is named the Copper River is that [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► the that's the one of the first people [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► one of the first Western dudes to go up [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► amber looked around and said looks like [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► there's probably a lot of copper around [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► here like it's not named that because [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► the waters are copper colored or [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► whatever it was named that as a as a way [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► of notating on a map for the next guy [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► that came [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► hey copper this visual cue [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► yeah it's just like I mean a lot of a [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► lot a lot of the reason if you look at [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► any map of of America all that like dead [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► man's creek and a you know Cole sink [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► bottom or whatever like it's all your [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► writing things on a map because you want [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► because you're not going to be there to [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► explain it to the next guy and you want [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► him to see what you what you're seeing [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► so you go to the Copper River because [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► you're like well that sounds like a good [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► place to start [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► somebody what one of the four guys who [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► have been here before said that they [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► said you thought it seemed to really [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► like there might be some copper up there [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► and it's also a big river and then you [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► get off and so you can it it's palpable [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► in the writing of these guys that they [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► know they're on an adventure but they're [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► having fun but they are masking or their [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► tamping that down because they have a [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► job to do and the fun is you know the [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► phone is is secondary they wouldn't have [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► identified it as fun but they're also [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► like nobody's really bitching about [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► anything like the guy's friend froze to [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► death and he came back and overwintered [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► and then you know mustard a new group of [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► guys and and went and tried it again [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► like they are and and and there were a [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► few people that that made it you know [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► the one guy that made it all the way to [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► Dawson City and he was in his day like [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► kind of Harold it is a hero walked all [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► this way across the across the place and [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► and was making Maps the whole way [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► you know I and i really do think that [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that is still and this is one of the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► projects of my whole life is to is to [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► see if that is in me too and I do think [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► it's in us all its active in us all [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► that that the the number of us who [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► really would just lay down and die is [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► pretty that that's that's fairly rare i [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► still be back on the steamboat bitching [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► about my room [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► he's back on the steamboat dressed in [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► white linen you got it and how do you [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► mean you're out of seltzer Fanning [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► yourself with a handkerchief [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► oh ok what I when I Jack you are a [TS]

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00:48:27 ◼   ► squarespace for supporting rod on the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► line we could not do it without this up [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► and you know and and honestly like the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► guys that made all the money it in that [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► whole adventure we all know now were [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► like the filson company or the guys that [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► were selling shovels and it's the bits [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► back to Deadwood the guys that were [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► selling shovels and gold pants were the [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► only ones that made any money right arm [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► and that's maybe still true today it's [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► the it the guys that are selling the the [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► paper towels that delivered by drone [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► are are the only ones you know paper a [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► drone drone drop of of of paper towels [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► is the contemporary gold pan as I sit [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► here and think about things like [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► whatever dead man's creek or like you [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► know the here be dragons stuff up for [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► some reason I can think about is how are [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► we built a baseball stadium is named [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► after a company that sells cellphone [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► service but we are gonna they're gonna [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► look back at us the nineties are going [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► to make the sixties look like they're [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► going to look back at us and they're [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► gonna say god what a what a dead time [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► everybody else all the other generations [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► they're smart people skipped a [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► generation [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► what did what uh what a an empty era the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► comb comer kia ballpark [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► I'm looking out the window right now and [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► a little murky assure oakham archaea [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► what are the ball parks around here [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► named I can never remember it's there's [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► the there's the safeco field right [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► that's the baseball field named after an [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► insurance company and then centurylink [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► field centurylink is a company that [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► links the centuries [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► what is it like what they sell fences or [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► ancestry services what is that [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► well let's find out i have no idea what [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► century is also basically go look up the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► various college bowl games which which [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► which have started to get some good some [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► pretty good names the college bowl names [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► oh yeah like what are the chances he [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► this is the problem with not being a fan [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► as you know full games i think they're [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► named after snacks you get snacks you [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► get because used to be when I was a kid [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► you had the orange bowl [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► what you got the Rose Bowl you got the [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► cotton bowl now I think today you can [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► actually just pay the name after snack [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► ship you can just have the free to label [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► the dorito bolt let me tell you what [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► centurylink is you might have guessed it [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► already it is a local provider of [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► high-speed internet phone and mobile [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► Jesus so centurylink the reason it's [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► called centurylink is because it costs [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► up a Benjamin to get anything done [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► this isn't right there on the big screen [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► they should have called it Benjamin link [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► on the galaxy so you get it you get 20 [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► welcome how can we help you today says [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► their website they're so friendly and [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► then they have three stock photographs [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► there's an african-american family [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► looking at a tablet that's residential [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► and then they're uh they have to clarify [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► that residential is for your home [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► high-speed internet and then the next [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► quadrant over here and and these colors [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► are suspiciously like Microsoft e colors [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► it's like kind of a kind of a pumpkin [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► orange a sky blue and a pea green pea [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► soup green then a small business is the [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► second category and there's a guy that [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► kind of looks like a cross between Dan [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► Benjamin an eel dash is looking at a [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► computer that has no identifying [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► characteristics [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► it's a white computer but it has no but [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► the Apple music and they look happy [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► he's so happy because he's talking to a [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► redheaded lady and she's got a cup of [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► coffee they're both looking at a laptop [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► that has had the that the apple logo [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► digitally removed we have some colored [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► pencils next to them small business and [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► then under small business it says for [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► your growing small business how they [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► clarify that if you want to get the [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► small business services those are [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► particularly well-suited for people with [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► a small business that's for your growing [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► small business activity from residential [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► chung it's different because residential [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► is for your home and the thing about a [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► thing about small business monic for [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► that because your home is your residence [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► that's the mnemonic for that [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► 00 i'm gonna i'm gonna write that down [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► they stipulate that your small business [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► is growing because they don't want you [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► to feel like having a small businesses [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► like inferior in any way you are growing [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► a small business you have transitively [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► am [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► yeah if you have a small business that [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► is static I don't know which one of [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► these you would use because the small [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► business plan is just for growing small [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► businesses it's it's like a shark while [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► slashing toward the enterprise [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► oh but wait a small business offers [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► cloud [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► they got class and they have cloud [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► whereas residential doesn't have [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► cloud-to-cloud small business has cloud [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► any link is our God and then for large [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► business they have a tall I'd say 60 [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► year old white guy with the gray goatee [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► he looks like he's trying to break his [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► glasses [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► he's holding his classes in both hands [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► which I've never seen a person do and [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► he's pulling on him like they're a [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► wishbone like a turkey wishbone what [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► he's thinking about self-harm he is he [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► is looking intently at up at a blonde [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► woman in white pants she is saying [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► something to him it's in unclear what [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► and then there's another guy a kind of [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► uh seems young seems like he's wearing [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► tight pants and then a woman who's [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► smiling and that's large business and [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► under large businesses says for larger [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► local national and global businesses wow [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► look at the time and they start with [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► cloud sure they don't even sit bother [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► saying high-speed internet or anything [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► they start with cloud and then go to [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► data managed services security and voice [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► so they are offering a full suite of [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► products at centurylink for a large [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► business is not for the high-end large [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► businesses they're not even using [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► computers anymore it's all pure cloud [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► it's just clued in code [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► i'm gonna click on large business even [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► though i have no right to go in there [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► you haven't earned it I have up ok now [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► I'm in here and it looks like a really [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► interesting wordpress site for a lot of [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► green color it's this so large [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► businesses green all green and its just [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► oh my god it's just cycling through that [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► slideshow that every single one of these [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► companies corporate websites app it's [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► like slideshow of stock photos like a [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► blanket or a carousel effect [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► yeah oh they're nobodies down now is [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► centurylink the home of the Seattle [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► soccer's because the colors sound kind [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► of similar so it is home of the sockers [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► and I believe that that can [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► only mean that the CenturyLink is some [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► kind of paul allen microsoft a like [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► front company right i mean they're not [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► paul allen and Microsoft are not going [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► to let some company have the naming [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► rights to their stadium if they aren't [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► all super mobbed up in bed with each [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► other right [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► make sense yeah I mean Paul Ellen [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► basically owns this Seattle soccer's and [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► the footballs uh-oh here's the footballs [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► as well he's bad didn't get what you you [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► probably weren't watching the Super [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► Bowls last year but I had a TV I keep me [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► and watch it after they won the contest [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► a paul allen is suddenly on the stick on [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► this the field he's and it looks like [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► somebody has delivered a bag of laundry [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► to the field he's hoisting up the he's [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► hosting up the the trophy it was sort of [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► like this signature look which is a look [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► of like total lack of enjoyment lon can [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► make can make any child's birthday party [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► into awake it and he's out there and [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► he's hoisting this football trophy up [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► and it's like very clear to everyone who [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► owns the footballs and it is this guy [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► this this guy who long time ago had a [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► beard and wrote presumably some code [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► some like WordStar code right [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► I think so yeah poland was like on the [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► word starteam sure and some ms daus or [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► her that ran on some 64k it types a bit [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► pipes right at minesweeper minesweeper [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► ok get Clippy wasn't totally be haha you [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► look like you're trying to write a [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► letter and so this guy for whatever [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► reason we determine in our culture in [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► our like end of history capitalism that [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► this guy's worth six to nine billion [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► dollars depending on the bit where the [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► wind is blowing sure and he bones the [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► footballs and he gets to go out and [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► hoist the trophy and now he's named this [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► the CenturyLink whoever they are [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► doubtful that they are profitable [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► company they named the soccer stadium [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► after themselves [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► what does that cost I wonder oh my [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► goodness and you know I think that's a [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► multi-year multimillion-dollar deal i'm [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► looking here so you have you been to a [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► ball game with the Giants here in town i [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► have not been to a giants game now it's [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► a nice it really is a cool park it's one [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► of those new old parks right it looks [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► old and fitness got sushi and garlic [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► fries and stuff it's a lot of fun it's a [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► lot of fun just later just like the [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► minor 49ers yeah sushi garlic flat fries [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► or what those guys without copper river [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► part of santa clara county just just [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► like the 49ers before them slipping on [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► the board but to this place started so [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► the original name i see i think you can [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► everybody's pretty excited to get this [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► park is candlestick is pretty gross but [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► the original name was my phone company [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► as well as well [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► pacific bell park it was whole pack bell [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► i packed ballpark [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► I can totally live with this is got a [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► statistic in the name em and then [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► getting bought out so it became SBC park [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► so our new awesome stadium became spc [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► park and wait does builds a bank right [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► note that would be the people who bought [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► Pacific belt [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► only more phone people wait hang on oh [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► don't buy a new shirt yet because then [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► in 2006 after the merger with spc this [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► is fascinating as they say inside [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► baseball 2060 became AT&T Park [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► so we have only D&T park and i'm [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► surprised why does an AT&T just buy up [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► all the baby bells again because it it [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► seems like uh whatever the antitrust of [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► like frenzy we went through at a certain [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► point there when we were deciding that [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► AT&T couldn't be a monopoly we've [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► definitely abandoned that kind of [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► thinking oh yeah that's that's old [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► school [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► I think Facebook should just by AT&T and [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► Comcast and just make it easier on all [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► of us [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► oh just wanna like die in death laser [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► company that this trying to take us all [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► remember it wasn't very long ago that [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► the u.s. government was pursuing [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► microsoft for some antitrust a [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► microsoft for some antitrust a [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► problems because they what was the [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► problem is pretty flimsy yeah because [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► everybody use their computers that was [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► the that was whether a man you know I'm [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► not ask legal scholar i think it was [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► because internet explorer their web [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► browser was bundled with the software [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► oh right so you didn't have a choice oh [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► yeah gonna see internets like of all the [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► things to go after Microsoft about that [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► seems pretty weird but yeah and they [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► were spooked for years for these I can [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► just tell you I'm doing just a tiny bit [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► people were pretty spooked about that [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► for a long time [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► well and I mean and it's really [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► inhibited the whole idea of restricting [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► access to the Internet as you know who [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► know what would know one would dare try [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah when the crazy part is the one [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► that you know every Apple nerd listening [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► to this nose is the way that the Justice [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► Department went after Apple for [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► price-fixing with bunks [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► mmm this big investigation about how [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► Apple is trying to fix prices all right [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► right whatever else done that since no [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► not at all thats not like introduce [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► integral part of the Amazon business [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► model seed cannot users [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► I you know I am always obsessed with the [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► the super super villain a persona and [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► it's funny because jeff bezos man you [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► think about that he's got the drones [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► he's got recycled doors [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► he's now decided that his company that [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► started to sell books will just not sell [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► books and that's going to be okay even [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► they don't make any money [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► there's something going on with that guy [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► well the thing about him is he's always [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► smiling in photographs which isn't [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► common among those guys right i mean [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► it's not like i'm paul allen has no [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► never smiled not even on his fifth [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► birthday [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► it looks like he just had like a bunch [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► of amyl nitrate for breakfast he's super [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► happy super happy he does he looks like [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► a river he looks like a he looks like [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► somebody who is at burning man and yeah [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► he just had to hike out of plywood he's [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► just having stuff but by all accounts he [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► is a very disagreeable person he sounds [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► extremely unpleasant and that he uses it [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► sounds like ever heard a couple things [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► just sounds like he's his laugh is very [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► aggressive and and you know everybody [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► likes to like point laughter Steve Jobs [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► and what like a mean character he was [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► but he sounds like a pretty rough [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► character pieces [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► uh yeah well I'm sorry are you aware of [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► campfire [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► the application no no it's just one of [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► those teddy bear picnic kind of things [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► it's a teddy bear picnic [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► ok Jeff Bezos has a thing [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► uh an annual meeting called campfire [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► sounds nice ego you roast marshmallows [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► tell ghost stories i'm the ghost of [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► bloody fingers uh so much so so it [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► happens in Santa Fe New Mexico every [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► year Jeff Bezos handpicks his uh it used [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► to be a bunch of like all the famous [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► writers Tom Hanks another famous [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► famously apparently nice guy [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► easy seems to be super nice but Bezos [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► invites a like handpicks a bunch of [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► really cool cats neil armstrong it's [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► like a farm-to-table version of Ted [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► right gonna fix you up with his fingers [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► and takes you there [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► well he bi he does I mean he sends his [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► private jet to wherever you are and you [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► fly in drones outside your so this is [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► this is the great thing so so he has [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► this thing it's outside of Santa Fe they [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► have they put big long tables out in the [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► night under the night sky with [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► candelabras and white tablecloths and [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► they serve you this beautiful meal and [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► then you're all up at this Lodge and you [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► have one of these things where a look [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► there it's a it's a famous guy x talking [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► to famous guy why and while there's [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► probably gonna be some innovation that [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► comes out of that like oh neato here's [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► it's it's weezy he's here and weezy is [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► talking to Martha Stewart and they're [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► gonna they're gonna come out with the [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► new hip-hop label or whatever as [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► Ted Ted kind of concept but not open to [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► the public and he doesn't publicize [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► their trade on it it's just for the [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► smarts and the riches is it one of those [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► a real talk about what happened here [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► kind of things a little bit but you walk [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► around in your in your in your the [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► fleece jacket says campfire on it and [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► then other famous is in first class look [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► at you and go [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► hello like it's a little bit of a [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► Masonic ring or something at all haha [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► original dot-com great oh but this year [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► a lot of the writer people so this is [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► the hot spot of this guy he invited all [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► the famous writers including a ton of [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► people that are published by hash at o2 [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► his party and most of them said yes [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► because no one says no one a billionaire [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► wants to pick you up in his private jet [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► and take you to a fancy party where Tom [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► Hanks's and a few of these have shed [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► writers like staged a little bit of a [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► revolt and and wrote and said like um [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► for obvious reasons we're not going to [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► come to your stupid party because you [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► have kind of screwed us out of our book [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► sales in there there were a handful of [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► writers whose books came out right about [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► that time who it was just like if your [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► if your record was released on 911 or [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► something it was just like it's all over [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► you can't if Amazon isn't stalking your [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► book like forget it and so I was talking [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► to one of these writers who had a [TS]