Roderick on the Line

Ep. 119: "A Cocaine Economy"


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00:00:18   [Music] [TS]

00:00:22   hello John [TS]

00:00:25   hi Merlin and how's it going [TS]

00:00:29   mm-hmm [TS]

00:00:33   ma'am hope heaven isn't run by beef [TS]

00:00:37   jerky heaven is a place on earth [TS]

00:00:41   mmm having a lot like Dixie mm happen [TS]

00:00:46   heavens to mergatroid a place for [TS]

00:00:49   nothing nothing ever happens [TS]

00:00:50   oh that's right hmm heaven have a heaven [TS]

00:00:56   heaven 17 and house in pavement was back [TS]

00:01:02   summer babe having a few bucks a pop you [TS]

00:01:07   are going to grow my god is so much [TS]

00:01:09   sodium in my system I had some artichoke [TS]

00:01:13   hearts soup the other day that was like [TS]

00:01:16   a it was like a sodium solution that was [TS]

00:01:21   that just had like a artichoke infusion [TS]

00:01:24   it was like wet salt with artichokes [TS]

00:01:28   I think that's not as good as it sounds [TS]

00:01:29   it was pretty good but you know [TS]

00:01:33   typically at the artichoke is the [TS]

00:01:36   artichoke is a much-maligned a vegetable [TS]

00:01:39   is that right well much maligned by my [TS]

00:01:43   imagination because I hardly ever order [TS]

00:01:45   an artichoke thing and partly it is [TS]

00:01:48   because so much of the artichoke is [TS]

00:01:50   inedible and i don't i don't understand [TS]

00:01:53   how nature could have produced a grenade [TS]

00:01:55   shaped fruit that is full of corn chips [TS]

00:01:59   that you can't eat but that are covered [TS]

00:02:02   with guacamole right like like better [TS]

00:02:05   quality moly that's what it is it's like [TS]

00:02:08   it's like a corn chip grenade if the [TS]

00:02:10   corn chips were made out of leaves [TS]

00:02:12   pointy leaves pointy leaves and they [TS]

00:02:15   don't eat so much as scrape right at [TS]

00:02:18   preloaded with a kind of love of like [TS]

00:02:21   veiny guacamole [TS]

00:02:22   ya hear get out of my dreams so so I [TS]

00:02:28   don't but but then when I have an [TS]

00:02:30   artichoke thing I enjoy it i think it's [TS]

00:02:35   at the low end [TS]

00:02:36   of the butter conveyance spectrum oh I [TS]

00:02:38   see it's it's a butter device right you [TS]

00:02:41   can do things with it you can make you [TS]

00:02:42   can make dips and things like that but [TS]

00:02:45   uh but now there's a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:02:47   scraping and then you gotta scream she [TS]

00:02:49   leaves you gotta throw away [TS]

00:02:50   scraping and then a bunch of yeah right [TS]

00:02:51   you got a pile of detritus that many [TS]

00:02:54   years ago I was sitting in a bar and it [TS]

00:02:59   was one of those bar conversations where [TS]

00:03:00   you're you're sitting there and you use [TS]

00:03:02   couple of guys and you get to get going [TS]

00:03:05   with them and pretty soon you're having [TS]

00:03:06   like a real intense meeting of the minds [TS]

00:03:09   and unlike most of those intense meeting [TS]

00:03:13   of the minds conversations that the guy [TS]

00:03:15   the guy was talking to look like a young [TS]

00:03:17   lindsey buckingham like Lindsey [TS]

00:03:19   Buckingham when he was beautiful and had [TS]

00:03:21   a little beard and was talking to this [TS]

00:03:25   guy and it was you know early nineties [TS]

00:03:27   right so he's wearing some kind of hemp [TS]

00:03:28   necklace and and at the end of the [TS]

00:03:32   conversation is like you are perfect for [TS]

00:03:35   this big project we've got going on [TS]

00:03:38   come with me and like it when we were [TS]

00:03:41   drinking at the bar in the middle of the [TS]

00:03:42   day or something and I was like okay so [TS]

00:03:45   we go out and we start we go for a walk [TS]

00:03:48   and a half drunk in the day and he's [TS]

00:03:50   like I'm opening a club and it's gonna [TS]

00:03:54   be like a it's going to be a art gallery [TS]

00:03:58   speakeasy cafe jazz club rape space and [TS]

00:04:04   I was like tell me more [TS]

00:04:07   he said I feel like you are like a kind [TS]

00:04:10   of a visionary guy I feel like your [TS]

00:04:11   ideal to like partner up with us on this [TS]

00:04:14   club and I'm like I agree it's about [TS]

00:04:18   time somebody recognized that I was a [TS]

00:04:20   visionary in the art space rave cafe [TS]

00:04:25   I mean just means everybody in the [TS]

00:04:27   unlikelihood of meeting someone in a bar [TS]

00:04:29   drinking in the middle of the day who [TS]

00:04:31   has that kind of vision to pull together [TS]

00:04:32   all the / things into one coherent [TS]

00:04:35   money-making machine right and then [TS]

00:04:37   would recognize that I was an important [TS]

00:04:39   component in the organization it's [TS]

00:04:40   kismet [TS]

00:04:41   so anyway but this guy is very handsome [TS]

00:04:43   guy very charismatic [TS]

00:04:45   and it turns out he is a shoe salesman [TS]

00:04:48   at the Bon marché the Bon marché being [TS]

00:04:52   one of the big department stores [TS]

00:04:54   downtown but it used to be there was the [TS]

00:04:57   Bon marché Frederica Nelson's and [TS]

00:04:58   nordstrom all three of those were [TS]

00:05:01   department stores all clustered downtown [TS]

00:05:04   and the bond was kind of it wasn't all [TS]

00:05:08   the way up to frederick Nelson standards [TS]

00:05:10   but it was a pretty nice department [TS]

00:05:12   store [TS]

00:05:12   let's be honest so this guy was a shoe [TS]

00:05:15   salesman at the Bon marché in women [TS]

00:05:17   shoes and he and two other of the shoe [TS]

00:05:20   salesmen were gonna partner in [TS]

00:05:24   developing this club and they have [TS]

00:05:28   slight amount of stickiness right and [TS]

00:05:30   they had a ton of cash because they had [TS]

00:05:33   jobs and just something i didn't have [TS]

00:05:35   and so anyway he and i become fast [TS]

00:05:39   friends were like inseparable [TS]

00:05:44   he's got pretty nice apartment and he [TS]

00:05:46   just wants to talk big pie in the sky [TS]

00:05:48   ideas about how this club is going to [TS]

00:05:50   change the culture of Seattle it's going [TS]

00:05:53   to be you know it's gonna like it's in a [TS]

00:05:56   way it's going to improve race relations [TS]

00:05:59   because this group of people are all [TS]

00:06:00   multi multiracial multicultural people [TS]

00:06:04   we're going to appeal to everybody in [TS]

00:06:06   the city it's going to be you know [TS]

00:06:08   there's going to be a hip-hop component [TS]

00:06:10   there's going to be like it [TS]

00:06:11   cool jazz component all the things that [TS]

00:06:14   you could want and eventually my role [TS]

00:06:18   evolved to be head of security which was [TS]

00:06:22   an interesting evolution for i was still [TS]

00:06:27   visionary but also head of security want [TS]

00:06:30   to start up you gotta wear a lot of hats [TS]

00:06:32   that's right that's right and we were we [TS]

00:06:34   we went all the way we we found a space [TS]

00:06:38   in the old trailways bus station in [TS]

00:06:41   seattle which was abandoned and we found [TS]

00:06:44   the owner we rented the space and we [TS]

00:06:47   stayed open for a couple of months [TS]

00:06:49   and it was basically a 24-hour business [TS]

00:06:51   that in the morning that would be a cafe [TS]

00:06:53   with costco muffins and set an espresso [TS]

00:06:56   machine and we're serving espresso to [TS]

00:06:58   like people on their way to work and [TS]

00:07:01   then during the day it morphed into kind [TS]

00:07:02   of an art gallery espresso space and [TS]

00:07:06   then in the evenings there was jazz [TS]

00:07:10   wow that was a lot of kids from the [TS]

00:07:14   Cornish music school would come down and [TS]

00:07:16   like play plate improv sort of bebop ee [TS]

00:07:20   jazz in the in the evenings and then [TS]

00:07:23   that would turn into hip-hop jazzy [TS]

00:07:27   hip-hop which was a thing in the early [TS]

00:07:29   nineties in seattle in the night and it [TS]

00:07:34   would turn into kind of a jazzy hip-hop [TS]

00:07:35   club where the girls were wearing [TS]

00:07:37   turbans and everybody was like whoo [TS]

00:07:42   it was like a bit was very shaday let's [TS]

00:07:47   say and then at 2am we would close the [TS]

00:07:51   doors closed all the front doors but [TS]

00:07:53   then open the unmarked back door and [TS]

00:07:56   then it was a power rave from 2am until [TS]

00:08:00   like eight in the morning and we [TS]

00:08:04   seriously kept this going for a couple [TS]

00:08:05   of months I sounds exhausting [TS]

00:08:07   well and the thing is it was completely [TS]

00:08:08   powered by cocaine was taped it feels [TS]

00:08:11   the cocaine project it was very cocaina [TS]

00:08:13   these guys it turned out that the shoe [TS]

00:08:15   salesman guys had a lot of money not [TS]

00:08:17   just because they had jobs and were [TS]

00:08:19   selling shoes but it was the total [TS]

00:08:22   cocaine ring and I had I'd i had not [TS]

00:08:27   really spent a lot of time like just [TS]

00:08:29   immersed in cocaine times but you'd be [TS]

00:08:33   surprised how much work you can get done [TS]

00:08:35   you can do a lot of a like espresso [TS]

00:08:40   making in the morning and art showing in [TS]

00:08:43   the day and I you know I would take cat [TS]

00:08:46   naps on the old bus station benches that [TS]

00:08:48   were kind of still there in the space [TS]

00:08:50   and we really thought we were [TS]

00:08:52   revolutionising the the country and in a [TS]

00:08:55   way we were on our way because there [TS]

00:09:00   weren't a lot of people buying art let's [TS]

00:09:02   say but they were [TS]

00:09:03   they've turned into a complete like blow [TS]

00:09:07   out by two-and-a-half weeks in there [TS]

00:09:09   were 400 people there and that is what [TS]

00:09:12   attracted the cops [TS]

00:09:14   yeah how official was your business not [TS]

00:09:16   at all yeah you paid rent and you had [TS]

00:09:18   doors we gave some rent to a guy I guess [TS]

00:09:21   somebody's told me that that that that [TS]

00:09:23   they had rent and I was the head of [TS]

00:09:26   security which meant that I stood at the [TS]

00:09:28   door and took the money from people and [TS]

00:09:30   I charged people an arbitrary amount of [TS]

00:09:34   money each person kind of got charged a [TS]

00:09:37   different amount of money and I kind of [TS]

00:09:41   kept most of it because the other guys [TS]

00:09:45   didn't seem to be in it for the money [TS]

00:09:46   and I didn't I was the only one that [TS]

00:09:49   didn't have a job so I was suddenly [TS]

00:09:52   doing pretty good [TS]

00:09:53   yeah um they were more interested in I [TS]

00:09:55   don't know what their plan was honestly [TS]

00:09:57   they were socially or cocaine person [TS]

00:09:59   don't you kind of want to meet more [TS]

00:10:00   cocaine people write it was a very [TS]

00:10:01   gifted part of it it was a cocaine [TS]

00:10:03   driven economy and I think they were [TS]

00:10:05   bringing a lot of people into the venue [TS]

00:10:07   who were buying cocaine from and so it [TS]

00:10:10   was self-sustaining and it would have [TS]

00:10:12   been I think it probably would have like [TS]

00:10:14   a like a aggressive virus would have [TS]

00:10:17   taken over the world in the whole world [TS]

00:10:19   right now would be a jazz hip-hop art [TS]

00:10:21   gallery a rave cocaine party if not for [TS]

00:10:25   the police who drove by one night and [TS]

00:10:29   saw 250 kids outside of field trailways [TS]

00:10:34   bus station and it pique their curiosity [TS]

00:10:36   and red flag and he said huh [TS]

00:10:39   let's go let's go around the block and [TS]

00:10:41   go back and take a look at that and when [TS]

00:10:43   they came in and saw that it would that [TS]

00:10:45   that was just the overflow of people [TS]

00:10:47   that were inside up a total firetrap [TS]

00:10:51   with no you know and I was again the guy [TS]

00:10:53   sitting at the door pockets full of cash [TS]

00:10:56   hopped up on goofballs and what I saw [TS]

00:11:00   the cops [TS]

00:11:01   I got off my stool and walked away and I [TS]

00:11:07   my name was not connected to anything [TS]

00:11:09   and i just left and I think everybody [TS]

00:11:14   got busted but nobody really had their [TS]

00:11:16   name on anything except for the guy who [TS]

00:11:18   looked like lindsey buckingham nicks [TS]

00:11:22   traced back to his costco account [TS]

00:11:23   yeah the next time I saw him he was [TS]

00:11:25   riding like a like a small-bore kawasaki [TS]

00:11:30   motorcycle like a kawasaki 350 or [TS]

00:11:33   something like a it was a kawasaki that [TS]

00:11:37   was an imitation of a triumph like a [TS]

00:11:39   like a one cylinder kawasaki and I was [TS]

00:11:43   walking down the street and he rode up [TS]

00:11:44   on this bike it was like a man get on [TS]

00:11:46   and i would have been a couple of months [TS]

00:11:49   since I've seen my jumped on the back of [TS]

00:11:51   his bike and he rode me to the ferry [TS]

00:11:55   dock and I was like where we go and he [TS]

00:11:57   was like don't worry about it we got on [TS]

00:11:59   the ferry and then I'm like seriously [TS]

00:12:02   where we going we're on the ferry now [TS]

00:12:04   he's like I'm living in port townsend [TS]

00:12:06   now I want you to see my place I'm [TS]

00:12:08   thinking about real reopening the [TS]

00:12:09   gallery and port townsend and I Anna I [TS]

00:12:13   know and I need you there you were the [TS]

00:12:14   heart and soul of the place and I was [TS]

00:12:17   like oh boy [TS]

00:12:18   Port Townsend is a long way and we rode [TS]

00:12:21   up there on this into the two of us on [TS]

00:12:23   this tiny little motorcycle he showed me [TS]

00:12:25   the space that he had in mind and I was [TS]

00:12:28   like I don't know man i'm kind of [TS]

00:12:30   invested in living in in seattle and not [TS]

00:12:32   living up here in this weird hippie town [TS]

00:12:34   and he was disappointed i spent the [TS]

00:12:36   night at the house that he lived in with [TS]

00:12:38   some girl I mean it's only been a couple [TS]

00:12:40   of months he was he was a a magical [TS]

00:12:43   person who was somewhat powered by drugs [TS]

00:12:47   but also powered by charisma and just [TS]

00:12:50   hopping through life in this like at two [TS]

00:12:53   months later he's got a house in a [TS]

00:12:55   different town and it wasn't even a man [TS]

00:12:56   that you hate interstate you know your [TS]

00:12:58   security you do what you gotta do you [TS]

00:12:59   walk away sometimes oh yeah he was like [TS]

00:13:01   you know you were there you were the [TS]

00:13:02   smart one you got out of there before [TS]

00:13:03   the before the hammer came down was a [TS]

00:13:05   can of course I mean we both understood [TS]

00:13:06   what was I going to stand there and say [TS]

00:13:08   IDs please put away i had you know six [TS]

00:13:11   hundred dollars in my code I was [TS]

00:13:13   see you later but in the early planning [TS]

00:13:19   stages of the cafe we went to a pizza [TS]

00:13:22   restaurant and he was like a lot lately [TS]

00:13:25   you know let's get a pizza will you know [TS]

00:13:27   we'll have a lunch meeting talk about [TS]

00:13:29   the big talk about the big plan and he [TS]

00:13:32   ordered an artichoke pizza and I had met [TS]

00:13:36   at that point in my life had never eaten [TS]

00:13:38   an artichoke and I looked at him like [TS]

00:13:40   he'd are ordered a rat pizza I was like [TS]

00:13:44   what are you doing to me like i loved [TS]

00:13:46   this idea of a lunch meeting where we [TS]

00:13:48   were having a pizza but you just ruined [TS]

00:13:51   it by putting some terrible shit on it [TS]

00:13:54   he was like no no trust me you're gonna [TS]

00:13:57   love it [TS]

00:13:57   artichoke pizza and it came and he was [TS]

00:14:00   right [TS]

00:14:01   I loved it and that was one of the that [TS]

00:14:04   artichoke pizza was one of a handful of [TS]

00:14:07   events in my life where I realized that [TS]

00:14:09   I was wrong about something and that my [TS]

00:14:14   life was gonna be different from now on [TS]

00:14:15   Wow artichoke pizza and they ordered [TS]

00:14:17   different stuff every time you get [TS]

00:14:18   summer now I get a different thing on [TS]

00:14:20   every time I go into a restaurant i get [TS]

00:14:22   i get a different thing even if i go to [TS]

00:14:23   the same restaurant over and over and [TS]

00:14:25   over i never would do the same thing was [TS]

00:14:27   it was the club cult [TS]

00:14:28   oh my god it was called 0000 the offbeat [TS]

00:14:35   cafe it was called the offbeat cafe [TS]

00:14:39   that's pretty good and yeah and like it [TS]

00:14:41   and that name was the result of some [TS]

00:14:44   think tanking uh you know high-level [TS]

00:14:47   discussions got a lot of levels offbeat [TS]

00:14:50   that's right it's like it's it [TS]

00:14:52   communicates a little bit of the jazz [TS]

00:14:54   and hip-hop vibe [TS]

00:14:55   it has the word cafe on it so it feels [TS]

00:14:58   bohemian but also it was trying to be a [TS]

00:15:01   cafe so it appeared you know we the [TS]

00:15:04   hardest audience to appeal to was all [TS]

00:15:06   the people walking past the Trailways [TS]

00:15:08   bus station on the way to work in the [TS]

00:15:10   morning and a lot of times I was the one [TS]

00:15:12   standing there like bleary-eyed manning [TS]

00:15:14   the espresso machine and you watch these [TS]

00:15:16   business suit people walk by they appear [TS]

00:15:18   in the bus station then see the cafe [TS]

00:15:22   sign and I'd be in there I wave to him [TS]

00:15:25   and they would just keep walking and it [TS]

00:15:28   was like how we can you know that the [TS]

00:15:29   big challenge was how do we how do we up [TS]

00:15:33   the cafe component of the business [TS]

00:15:35   because it felt like that was the road [TS]

00:15:37   to legitimacy the rave business was [TS]

00:15:40   always going to be on the in the shadows [TS]

00:15:42   right but if we could get the cafe [TS]

00:15:44   business running then we could get [TS]

00:15:47   license then get all the get all the [TS]

00:15:51   permits and stuff I mean there was a [TS]

00:15:53   plan [TS]

00:15:53   yeah absolutely that's the beauty of the [TS]

00:15:56   cocaine it seems to me personally you [TS]

00:15:58   got you got a place by cocaine people [TS]

00:16:00   for cocaine people i mean the problem [TS]

00:16:02   was that the people who are in there you [TS]

00:16:04   know just muddling through with espresso [TS]

00:16:07   we're not cocaine people don't want [TS]

00:16:10   anyone vibrating on the same level that [TS]

00:16:11   you guys were at all aware and you know [TS]

00:16:14   and the art because it was basically we [TS]

00:16:17   were all students and it was basically a [TS]

00:16:18   student-run I mean it was like a student [TS]

00:16:21   jazz ensemble can pass for most people [TS]

00:16:28   as just a legitimate jazz ensemble if [TS]

00:16:31   you were maybe a jazz pro you would know [TS]

00:16:34   that this was kind of terrible chance [TS]

00:16:37   but student arts like student painting [TS]

00:16:42   really reads as student painting a lot [TS]

00:16:45   of the time being the kind of thing [TS]

00:16:47   you'd see in a cafe that doesn't have a [TS]

00:16:48   license [TS]

00:16:49   that's right so there was a lot of you [TS]

00:16:51   know there was a lot of artwork that [TS]

00:16:53   looked like mock-ups for the third [TS]

00:16:55   Matrix movie and the heart never sold [TS]

00:16:59   actually funny a connection the offbeat [TS]

00:17:05   cafe is where i met Reggie Watts the [TS]

00:17:08   comedian because Reggie when he was 20 [TS]

00:17:13   years old his first foray into show [TS]

00:17:16   business was as a jazz piano player no [TS]

00:17:19   way that Reggie was one of the jazz [TS]

00:17:22   musicians that came to the offbeat cafe [TS]

00:17:24   in the afternoons and evenings he played [TS]

00:17:25   a Wurlitzer piano and he would sit and [TS]

00:17:29   you know Buddha Papa no Papa to do [TS]

00:17:32   he's a great pianist and so he was like [TS]

00:17:36   he was one of the jazz cats [TS]

00:17:38   then I knew from the offbeat cafe and he [TS]

00:17:40   evolved many different times before he [TS]

00:17:42   decided then that his before he [TS]

00:17:46   discovered his comedy act as gift [TS]

00:17:49   yeah it's true gift hi so that's the [TS]

00:17:52   first of all I mean it sounds like it [TS]

00:17:54   could almost be like maybe like a gust [TS]

00:17:55   fans and film it very much was that's [TS]

00:17:59   yes it absolutely was my own private [TS]

00:18:02   idaho but but including the part where [TS]

00:18:05   she picks up on the motorcycle I think [TS]

00:18:06   that's part of the movie but taken out [TS]

00:18:08   of a kind of a punk-rock a gutter Punk [TS]

00:18:11   econ text and put in a sort of [TS]

00:18:14   multicultural multiracial cocaine [TS]

00:18:18   context that's the thing it's the [TS]

00:18:20   cocaine and I its there's something on [TS]

00:18:23   admirable or enviable about the lindsey [TS]

00:18:27   buckingham guy i have to say from a [TS]

00:18:29   distance when you look at somebody like [TS]

00:18:30   that who clearly is staring down common [TS]

00:18:33   sense just constantly and then seemingly [TS]

00:18:36   just kind of swerving around [TS]

00:18:37   common-sense and making something work [TS]

00:18:38   for a little while [TS]

00:18:40   there's no that's that's not something [TS]

00:18:41   that you know we're supposed to applied [TS]

00:18:42   but when I see people like that in my [TS]

00:18:44   cat and you're you're mostly pulling [TS]

00:18:46   this off [TS]

00:18:47   yeah I admired him yeah i would I [TS]

00:18:50   admired him and you know and I kind of [TS]

00:18:51   loved him a little bit and the other two [TS]

00:18:53   terrible thing is I don't remember his [TS]

00:18:55   name [TS]

00:18:56   I you know this whole episode you might [TS]

00:18:58   have never learned it seriously four [TS]

00:19:00   years four months later I was back [TS]

00:19:02   sitting in that same bar drinking in the [TS]

00:19:05   afternoon [TS]

00:19:06   what wondering like what had all just [TS]

00:19:08   happens you know like I was sitting in [TS]

00:19:12   the bar drinking in the afternoon and [TS]

00:19:15   then two months later I was making six [TS]

00:19:18   hundred dollars a night in illicit money [TS]

00:19:20   I and running a like MDMA cocaine rave [TS]

00:19:25   art gallery and then two months after [TS]

00:19:29   that I was sitting back in the same bar [TS]

00:19:32   and like and all those people were gone [TS]

00:19:34   right like it had the height of that of [TS]

00:19:37   the cap experience I probably knew by [TS]

00:19:39   name [TS]

00:19:41   a hundred and fifty people that I hadn't [TS]

00:19:44   known before and knew on-site 400 people [TS]

00:19:48   and then four months later like all of [TS]

00:19:51   those people [TS]

00:19:51   God the only people that I ever saw [TS]

00:19:54   again where Reggie Reggie and I ended up [TS]

00:19:57   in the state in similar circles [TS]

00:19:59   maybe a couple of other dudes that I [TS]

00:20:02   hung on to for a few months and the [TS]

00:20:04   lindsey buckingham guy was gone forever [TS]

00:20:07   chase who knows what happened to him he [TS]

00:20:10   could be he could be the fucking sheriff [TS]

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00:21:26   not do it without you should we go out [TS]

00:21:29   and search for the off BK fac it's [TS]

00:21:30   popping up if there's a pop-up cocaine [TS]

00:21:34   MDMA cafe when he was involved it's been [TS]

00:21:36   a long time since then I bet he's [TS]

00:21:38   learned a lot [TS]

00:21:38   he's probably evolved is by working [TS]

00:21:40   different shoe stores i feel like there [TS]

00:21:42   if there are not 400 businesses called [TS]

00:21:46   the offbeat cafe then I don't know [TS]

00:21:47   anything about anything [TS]

00:21:49   it's a missed opportunity you know what [TS]

00:21:50   I mean like I bet every state in the [TS]

00:21:52   Union has an offbeat cafe and I bet [TS]

00:21:54   there are ones in other off be cafes in [TS]

00:21:56   every english-speaking country in the [TS]

00:21:57   world over and there's probably one in [TS]

00:22:00   marbella spain [TS]

00:22:03   I'm betting there's an offbeat cafe and [TS]

00:22:05   i bet you there's an offbeat cafe in [TS]

00:22:08   zagreb I don't know fascinated by the [TS]

00:22:12   cocaine people i had what uh what i [TS]

00:22:15   would consider like a pretty lonely [TS]

00:22:17   planet bands with people you know him [TS]

00:22:19   pretty well but you know you move more [TS]

00:22:21   with these people than those people who [TS]

00:22:22   play with this band not that fancy kind [TS]

00:22:24   of know you know who's seen who you know [TS]

00:22:26   who's living where and doing what and it [TS]

00:22:29   was pretty good friends with a lot of [TS]

00:22:31   people in this band scene where i used [TS]

00:22:34   to live and I i don't know how i missed [TS]

00:22:36   this but apparently tons of people were [TS]

00:22:38   doing a lot of cocaine in the [TS]

00:22:40   mid-nineties and I just didn't know it [TS]

00:22:42   I i don't know how i missed it i feel [TS]

00:22:44   like such a Rube but like a bunch of my [TS]

00:22:46   really good friends were doing cocaine [TS]

00:22:48   like some some folks are doing it every [TS]

00:22:50   night and then there's a couple people [TS]

00:22:51   they're doing at least once a week and [TS]

00:22:53   I'm not trying to sound like you know [TS]

00:22:54   like a schoolmarm or something but the [TS]

00:22:55   weird part was that i'm such a dummy I [TS]

00:22:58   didn't even pick up on it i guess i had [TS]

00:22:59   been exposed to it enough to know that [TS]

00:23:01   you know people who have a full-time day [TS]

00:23:03   job and run a bar every night me a [TS]

00:23:06   little bump sometimes well I'm the thing [TS]

00:23:08   but the thing about cocaine is very [TS]

00:23:10   curious right it's the culture of it is [TS]

00:23:13   predicated on the idea that you give [TS]

00:23:16   somebody a look [TS]

00:23:17   they give you a look back and then you [TS]

00:23:20   sneak off into the bathroom together [TS]

00:23:22   with the sex people it's a little bit [TS]

00:23:25   like the second sex people know what to [TS]

00:23:27   look for right if you're a sex person [TS]

00:23:28   and you want to find another sex person [TS]

00:23:30   to make sex with you can get pretty good [TS]

00:23:32   at some people up pretty fast for sure [TS]

00:23:35   is that right at well the thing is like [TS]

00:23:37   some I was having this uh this [TS]

00:23:40   conversation with a couple of people the [TS]

00:23:41   other day where one of them was [TS]

00:23:44   describing a former bandmate who was one [TS]

00:23:47   of these sex people who would help [TS]

00:23:49   because we were all talking about like [TS]

00:23:50   yeah you know we're all in bands we are [TS]

00:23:52   all on tour all the time and and yet [TS]

00:23:56   there's an awful lot of loading and [TS]

00:23:57   unloading of gear and an awful lot of [TS]

00:23:59   standing around in offices that smell [TS]

00:24:01   like bleach and not a ton of like having [TS]

00:24:05   sex in a swing [TS]

00:24:07   and this guy was how to clean that off [TS]

00:24:11   with the bleach first this guy was [TS]

00:24:13   talking about the drummer in his band [TS]

00:24:15   and he was like he's one of those guys [TS]

00:24:16   that you'll be sitting you'll be [TS]

00:24:18   standing party will be talking to a girl [TS]

00:24:19   on that you'll be making really great [TS]

00:24:21   conversation to be enjoying her company [TS]

00:24:23   you're thinking to yourself hey you know [TS]

00:24:25   something is really coming together here [TS]

00:24:26   between me and this girl and then the [TS]

00:24:29   drummer walks in walks over says hey man [TS]

00:24:32   how's it going [TS]

00:24:33   looks at the girl she looks at him and [TS]

00:24:35   he says you want to get out of here and [TS]

00:24:37   she said yes and they're gone and that [TS]

00:24:39   really happens happens [TS]

00:24:41   and yet and so and my friends just like [TS]

00:24:43   he we have we talked about it over and [TS]

00:24:45   over again and he's like the trip the [TS]

00:24:47   tremor predictably says yeah man it's an [TS]

00:24:50   empty life you know it's a kind of a [TS]

00:24:53   curse but it's like thinker the drum you [TS]

00:24:55   know what fuck you [TS]

00:24:56   but but you have to make the cook it is [TS]

00:24:59   a little bit like the cocaine people in [TS]

00:25:01   that sense of like when you are if [TS]

00:25:03   you're a sex person like you're just [TS]

00:25:05   going to always be looking out of the [TS]

00:25:06   corner of your eye for something there's [TS]

00:25:08   something that's gonna catch your eye [TS]

00:25:09   and when those two fields of electricity [TS]

00:25:11   start vibrating near each other then you [TS]

00:25:13   then you go off and you have the sex [TS]

00:25:15   yeah you go get you get the twinkle and [TS]

00:25:16   I think of you I think of you are into [TS]

00:25:19   cocaine and you have it think one of the [TS]

00:25:23   keys is that if you have cocaine then [TS]

00:25:26   you have a certain power which is that [TS]

00:25:29   that a percentage of the people in the [TS]

00:25:32   world want to do it and you have a thing [TS]

00:25:35   that unlike pot like if you have pot [TS]

00:25:38   there are a lot of people that want to [TS]

00:25:39   get stoned with you but in a a big deal [TS]

00:25:44   kind of like they're not always the [TS]

00:25:45   there are not always the highest shelf [TS]

00:25:47   highest caliber friend but if you have [TS]

00:25:52   cocaine it puts you into this class of [TS]

00:25:55   like now I can use cocaine to make [TS]

00:25:57   friends your your uh you are a call [TS]

00:26:01   brand friend that's right and if you are [TS]

00:26:04   a person who will be friends with [TS]

00:26:06   somebody for cocaine who then that too [TS]

00:26:11   is a sort of energy that you are [TS]

00:26:13   projecting it might not be a mistake [TS]

00:26:15   that your your partners in in the club [TS]

00:26:18   or salesman exactly because because the [TS]

00:26:21   thing about sex people and cocaine [TS]

00:26:23   people and salespeople is that the thing [TS]

00:26:26   that they share that I the one part of [TS]

00:26:28   all that awfulness that I really admire [TS]

00:26:30   is that people who are really good at [TS]

00:26:32   the sex and the cocaine and the selling [TS]

00:26:33   is that they all seem to either not see [TS]

00:26:36   the numerous barriers that I see [TS]

00:26:39   everywhere more they just don't care [TS]

00:26:42   well I think it's a third thing which is [TS]

00:26:43   I think there are very few things in [TS]

00:26:47   life very few pleasures of any kind of [TS]

00:26:49   Merlin that you want enough to pretend [TS]

00:26:53   to be friends with somebody that you [TS]

00:26:54   don't like Rand likewise you do not [TS]

00:26:59   desire to be friends with someone who [TS]

00:27:01   wants to be friends with you because of [TS]

00:27:03   something you can give them unless you [TS]

00:27:05   have an understanding like these people [TS]

00:27:06   to write as opportunistic and and like [TS]

00:27:10   there have been times in my life when I [TS]

00:27:12   have very much felt like I will be [TS]

00:27:13   friends with you if you will have sex [TS]

00:27:14   with me [TS]

00:27:15   absolutely I will what do you mean is [TS]

00:27:18   that is that is that I think it's simply [TS]

00:27:20   that could be as simple as like well I [TS]

00:27:22   really need to find somebody I'll be [TS]

00:27:23   I'll pretend to be friends with anybody [TS]

00:27:24   because my ride left and I need a way to [TS]

00:27:26   get home it's just that you're not going [TS]

00:27:28   to have that with that same velocity [TS]

00:27:30   every night of your life and every [TS]

00:27:32   afternoon morning of your life [TS]

00:27:33   yeah and and in the marijuana department [TS]

00:27:35   I was very very much a person who would [TS]

00:27:41   be your friend if you would give me some [TS]

00:27:43   pot and um and that was part of this the [TS]

00:27:48   the kind of shame cloud that descended [TS]

00:27:50   upon me over time because when I you [TS]

00:27:54   know when i was first introduced upon I [TS]

00:27:56   was like oh yeah part is cheap and um [TS]

00:28:00   and it makes me want to play air guitar [TS]

00:28:02   to side one of the Rolling Stones album [TS]

00:28:06   sticky fingers but as time went on and [TS]

00:28:10   pot cut its clutches on me and I was [TS]

00:28:15   like I don't like not being stoned not [TS]

00:28:18   being stoned is it is filling me with [TS]

00:28:21   anxiety i would prefer to be stoned and [TS]

00:28:23   I don't have any money [TS]

00:28:25   so now i'm going to some guys house and [TS]

00:28:29   he doesn't want to listen to sticky [TS]

00:28:30   fingers he wants to listen to skinny [TS]

00:28:32   puppy but i will listen to skinny puppy [TS]

00:28:35   if he will smoke pot with me and then [TS]

00:28:39   that guy realizes that and for whatever [TS]

00:28:42   reason once somebody wants a friend to [TS]

00:28:44   sit and listen to skinny puppy with him [TS]

00:28:46   so then he would withhold the pot [TS]

00:28:48   dangles it for hours and hours it's just [TS]

00:28:51   like oh dude you've got to hear this [TS]

00:28:53   latest Skinny Puppy album i'm like [TS]

00:28:56   really there's another one yeah I'm like [TS]

00:29:00   wow I'm super glad to hear it and we [TS]

00:29:06   would listen to it and I just be sitting [TS]

00:29:08   there I'm like I know you do I know this [TS]

00:29:09   house is full of pop this house is built [TS]

00:29:11   of pot take some out and put it in a box [TS]

00:29:15   so that i can at least be stoned and [TS]

00:29:17   listening to skinny puppy yeah so then I [TS]

00:29:21   turned into one of those people and I [TS]

00:29:22   and it and that's exactly as I say the [TS]

00:29:24   caliber of me the caliber of my [TS]

00:29:27   friendship and the caliber of of like [TS]

00:29:31   what I was willing to endure just to [TS]

00:29:33   have that stupid feeling of being high [TS]

00:29:35   when really it's like ten dollars man [TS]

00:29:38   you could just get to scrape ten dollars [TS]

00:29:41   together and just go buy some pot I i [TS]

00:29:45   I'm a slow learner [TS]

00:29:49   but sometimes you get fixated not you [TS]

00:29:51   but 11 gets fixated once you know I [TS]

00:29:54   think that's pretty common [TS]

00:29:55   did you ever buy pot yeah yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:30:01   first time I ever smoked pot was armed [TS]

00:30:04   on the way to a cheap trick concert we [TS]

00:30:09   drove into the bad part of town and [TS]

00:30:12   bought what I now would recognize this [TS]

00:30:14   like it's like a step above you know a [TS]

00:30:16   regular whatever good green tissue paper [TS]

00:30:18   that was a regular Braddock is it really [TS]

00:30:20   it was like these guys have chosen a [TS]

00:30:22   very smart place to sell their shitty [TS]

00:30:24   pot which is a part of town that high [TS]

00:30:26   school white high school students were [TS]

00:30:28   terrified to be in and would get out of [TS]

00:30:30   as quickly as possible [TS]

00:30:31   it's a certain excitement of going there [TS]

00:30:33   and buying their crappy pot it was awful [TS]

00:30:35   and it didn't really take for a long [TS]

00:30:37   time but now for a long time I you know [TS]

00:30:39   not for long time even in college in [TS]

00:30:41   college I would more often by the pot [TS]

00:30:43   that was my my pot smoking period was [TS]

00:30:45   mostly in college and I bought you know [TS]

00:30:47   an okay amount of like a quarter bag for [TS]

00:30:50   $45 yeah which back then was like the [TS]

00:30:54   stuff to put you on the moon and today [TS]

00:30:56   like that's the kind of thing you used [TS]

00:30:57   to multiple aunt you write and a quarter [TS]

00:31:00   was no small amount of pot that's what [TS]

00:31:02   makes big black can make it last until I [TS]

00:31:04   get a cold sore doing out of bed [TS]

00:31:05   I haven't really other good times that's [TS]

00:31:08   actually a stress bump it's not a course [TS]

00:31:10   it's ok if I had a friend [TS]

00:31:12   this is going to set this is going to [TS]

00:31:14   see you know somebody wrote a review of [TS]

00:31:15   our podcast the other day where they [TS]

00:31:17   used the word they use the term [TS]

00:31:19   questionable veracity which which was a [TS]

00:31:23   little bit of a reach for their [TS]

00:31:24   vocabulary wise anyway as in your [TS]

00:31:27   stories are made up as in that there is [TS]

00:31:30   some question as to what how true my [TS]

00:31:32   stories on high by the part where people [TS]

00:31:34   don't know when we're kidding i think [TS]

00:31:35   that's fun [TS]

00:31:36   yeah but I don't buy that part about the [TS]

00:31:38   book i have to tell you listeners I [TS]

00:31:39   can't prove these stories but i can tell [TS]

00:31:41   you that these are by and large pretty [TS]

00:31:42   much true well and the thing that that [TS]

00:31:44   the thing that part really think that [TS]

00:31:46   makes me mad is that I don't know [TS]

00:31:48   whether he is a hundred percent clear on [TS]

00:31:50   what veracity means oh you know I mean [TS]

00:31:53   like he might have meant that they are [TS]

00:31:55   you guys are no rush a rush a situation [TS]

00:31:58   I think he was trying to say one thing [TS]

00:32:00   and he ended up saying another [TS]

00:32:01   think I don't fault him he was a very [TS]

00:32:03   nice review ok but anyway this next [TS]

00:32:06   story is gonna sound a little bit [TS]

00:32:07   separations it's gonna sound a little [TS]

00:32:09   bit Roderick on the line but I used to [TS]

00:32:12   have a friend who worked at the [TS]

00:32:14   community and I said the vaguest idea [TS]

00:32:16   what that made up adjective even means i [TS]

00:32:19   could not have heard all of our shows i [TS]

00:32:20   have no fucking idea what that means it [TS]

00:32:22   will be about Hitler will be about a [TS]

00:32:25   train that gets stolen from movie idea [TS]

00:32:27   no my friend was a was an ass it was [TS]

00:32:30   some kind of like um like Secretariat at [TS]

00:32:36   the Korean embassy and in Alaska [TS]

00:32:38   nineteen seventies racehorse equal as he [TS]

00:32:42   was in Seattle Slew really at heart he [TS]

00:32:44   became he started out as an assistant [TS]

00:32:46   and then he became part of the [TS]

00:32:48   diplomatic corps i would love to be in [TS]

00:32:50   the diplomatic corps of the Korean [TS]

00:32:52   embassies and shit you can get away with [TS]

00:32:54   if you're in the diplomatic corps of you [TS]

00:32:55   tell you what you can get away with you [TS]

00:32:57   can send me pot in by federal express [TS]

00:33:03   with some kind of embassies because it's [TS]

00:33:07   a dip with the call it a bad thing about [TS]

00:33:09   a diplomatic pouch how true nobody's [TS]

00:33:12   allowed to look at it that's cheating [TS]

00:33:13   cheating or and I don't think that this [TS]

00:33:16   maybe was all the way to being a [TS]

00:33:19   diplomatic pouch but because it was [TS]

00:33:20   coming from the Korean embassy it was in [TS]

00:33:23   a special category of like don't mess [TS]

00:33:25   around with this or or we just no one [TS]

00:33:27   would think and so I was living in [TS]

00:33:29   Seattle he was living in Alaska he had a [TS]

00:33:33   pot-growing operation in addition to [TS]

00:33:35   being a part of the part of like the [TS]

00:33:39   inner circle because he worked his way [TS]

00:33:41   in so that he became the ambassador's [TS]

00:33:44   personal assistant or something he [TS]

00:33:47   really had he was cooking in good with [TS]

00:33:49   the with the ambassador and Alaska has a [TS]

00:33:53   very large korean population so it's not [TS]

00:33:57   like there are a lot of its not like [TS]

00:34:01   every country has a diplomatic corps in [TS]

00:34:02   Alaska but Korea does they have their [TS]

00:34:05   own little and i'm not even sure if it's [TS]

00:34:07   the Ambassador whether it was an [TS]

00:34:09   attaché of [TS]

00:34:10   I'm kind but in any case he would send [TS]

00:34:14   me a huge bags of like pot that have [TS]

00:34:20   been vacuum sealed and put into these [TS]

00:34:22   like Korean embassy diplomatic pouches [TS]

00:34:27   and they would be hand delivered to my [TS]

00:34:29   door [TS]

00:34:30   Wow at a time when I had decided I no [TS]

00:34:34   longer wanted to listen to skinny puppy [TS]

00:34:37   I needed I needed more dignity than that [TS]

00:34:40   you have your game and I had some had [TS]

00:34:42   some people in high places this was this [TS]

00:34:44   was a bump right because I didn't sink [TS]

00:34:46   much lower later on where I couldn't you [TS]

00:34:49   know where I was just it sounds too good [TS]

00:34:51   to be true i was i was digging in the [TS]

00:34:54   carpet looking for crack rocks that make [TS]

00:34:56   sure it's Wilson yeah um but it but [TS]

00:35:00   there was a high time there there was a [TS]

00:35:01   literally and figuratively like will up [TS]

00:35:04   a few high plateaus where I figured it [TS]

00:35:09   out and I had it all going on and at one [TS]

00:35:12   point it was that I was getting these [TS]

00:35:13   diplomatic pouches from the Korean [TS]

00:35:15   embassy full of pretty high grade [TS]

00:35:17   matanuska thunderfuck say that again [TS]

00:35:24   matanuska thunderfuck ok alright are you [TS]

00:35:27   familiar with manuscript under fuck I is [TS]

00:35:30   it is it some serious shit manuscript [TS]

00:35:33   thunderfuck was very serious shit [TS]

00:35:34   uh it was uh it was like the high high [TS]

00:35:39   high Poobah of pots back in the day [TS]

00:35:44   because it was grown in the Matanuska [TS]

00:35:47   Valley which is worse [TS]

00:35:49   sarah palin is from and uh the legend [TS]

00:35:54   was that because the Sun is up so long [TS]

00:35:57   in the summer in Alaska and because the [TS]

00:36:02   because the soil is so dark and black [TS]

00:36:04   because it's all glacial river bottom [TS]

00:36:07   that it was like the first brand of [TS]

00:36:12   super pot and I think the I think if [TS]

00:36:18   you're in amsterdam now or if you're in [TS]

00:36:20   if your pot connoisseur the strain [TS]

00:36:23   that's known as Northern Lights that's [TS]

00:36:26   the sort of common but this stuff looks [TS]

00:36:28   pretty serious northern Northern Lights [TS]

00:36:30   I feel like something from the wizard of [TS]

00:36:31   oz yeah jesus i think if you put if you [TS]

00:36:34   put the word matanuska into the into [TS]

00:36:39   google even without him on the canvas [TS]

00:36:41   wiki looking at right now [TS]

00:36:43   even without the word thunderfuck if you [TS]

00:36:45   just put matanuska in there you'll get [TS]

00:36:48   about half a pot images but manuscript [TS]

00:36:52   under fuck was when I was a kid like in [TS]

00:36:55   a way a kind of um one of the Alaskan [TS]

00:37:00   exports we were most proud of it was [TS]

00:37:03   like yes we have internationally famous [TS]

00:37:05   super bud that comes from just right [TS]

00:37:10   north of Anchorage it's a it was [TS]

00:37:15   powerful stuff now these days of course [TS]

00:37:17   you know i think that the true marijuana [TS]

00:37:19   heads are all smoking like weird MIT [TS]

00:37:24   laboratory pot which like hydroponic [TS]

00:37:28   government experiment pot yeah which and [TS]

00:37:31   this is the problem with it like all [TS]

00:37:32   that stuff that you're talking about [TS]

00:37:33   that we're ditch weed that we used to [TS]

00:37:35   buy and you'd smoke a joint of it and [TS]

00:37:37   you get kind of hot like say she was [TS]

00:37:40   just like somebody cut up sage and sold [TS]

00:37:43   it a shake weight [TS]

00:37:43   yeah shake right though that was a [TS]

00:37:46   really pleasant kind of groovy buzz that [TS]

00:37:49   you could go to a concert you can hang [TS]

00:37:51   out it was a social buzz and this this [TS]

00:37:55   chronic bud of now it turns everybody [TS]

00:37:58   into a freaking zombie you have to be [TS]

00:38:01   have to be a scientist to smoke it and [TS]

00:38:04   even make toast to the pot the pot [TS]

00:38:07   people are smoking today it back from [TS]

00:38:10   Bill Cosby [TS]

00:38:11   what these people smoke for their pot [TS]

00:38:13   today is about it seems like it's about [TS]

00:38:16   at the level of like we're acid was in [TS]

00:38:18   the sixties where you can just sit there [TS]

00:38:20   all day long like jelly bellies and and [TS]

00:38:22   you know yes some goofy might happen but [TS]

00:38:24   you know I but like that that's what we [TS]

00:38:26   had and now today stuff today I'm sorry [TS]

00:38:29   there's no thatthat's back when we were [TS]

00:38:30   kids and stuff they've got today it just [TS]

00:38:32   seems it seems just leveling just [TS]

00:38:34   leveling just knock you out [TS]

00:38:36   yeah yeah yeah yeah I never liked [TS]

00:38:38   feeling that way i did not like feeling [TS]

00:38:39   out of control with the pot know it's [TS]

00:38:41   super hot out of control out of control [TS]

00:38:43   with drinking is fun but hot is way out [TS]

00:38:46   of control for me because you get heart [TS]

00:38:48   palpitations you start to meet the [TS]

00:38:50   number of people i can imagine i can [TS]

00:38:52   imagine almost anything being wrong with [TS]

00:38:54   me when you are super super big no yeah [TS]

00:38:57   oh yeah like there's a lot of things [TS]

00:38:59   that are about to go really wrong [TS]

00:39:01   well it's it's that it's the hilarious [TS]

00:39:04   trope of like I think this pot is laced [TS]

00:39:06   with PCP people are people cannot [TS]

00:39:10   believe how stoned and out of control [TS]

00:39:14   and freaked out you can get on pot and [TS]

00:39:17   so they have invented this hilarious [TS]

00:39:19   story where they think that pcp dealers [TS]

00:39:23   are wasting perfectly good PCP and [TS]

00:39:29   putting it on pot on normal pop and just [TS]

00:39:34   sending it out there and you can put it [TS]

00:39:35   on the shredder racers and people that [TS]

00:39:37   smoke it right i mean it doesn't need to [TS]

00:39:38   be on good pot well and I think the [TS]

00:39:41   logic of the idea was that pcp dealers [TS]

00:39:43   will get you hooked on PCP and then [TS]

00:39:47   you'll come crawling back for more if [TS]

00:39:49   they sprinkle it on [TS]

00:39:51   oh I see I get it or that again in [TS]

00:39:55   people's like overactive imaginations [TS]

00:39:57   somehow pcp dealers are sociopaths who [TS]

00:40:02   enjoy the idea of getting people freaked [TS]

00:40:07   out on PCP not that they can see it's [TS]

00:40:10   just happening in dorm rooms they're [TS]

00:40:12   essentially dosing them their dosing [TS]

00:40:14   them but not but they're not they don't [TS]

00:40:16   even get to enjoy the experience of [TS]

00:40:17   watching them trip out there just don't [TS]

00:40:20   think them and just sitting somewhere in [TS]

00:40:22   their pcp van [TS]

00:40:23   contented with the knowledge that they [TS]

00:40:25   are fucking with kids I mean all of it [TS]

00:40:28   is of course false no one has ever ever [TS]

00:40:31   ever ever ever sold pcp laced pot for [TS]

00:40:36   the price of pot you could get pcp laced [TS]

00:40:40   pot if you paid extra for the some [TS]

00:40:42   people do get the PCPD on purpose take [TS]

00:40:45   it still [TS]

00:40:46   yeah you know one time I was standing [TS]

00:40:52   with a group of guys on Northern Lights [TS]

00:40:55   boulevard in anchorage alaska which was [TS]

00:40:58   the strip where we cruised cruising [TS]

00:41:01   strip know what I'm saying [TS]

00:41:04   yeah the script this trip with [TS]

00:41:05   decreasing yeah that's right it's the [TS]

00:41:06   cruising strip Northern Lights one way [TS]

00:41:08   and bends in the other way and we were [TS]

00:41:11   parked in them in the middle there's a [TS]

00:41:13   block between northern lights and Benson [TS]

00:41:15   we're parked somewhere in the middle [TS]

00:41:16   there across from bob's big boy and I [TS]

00:41:20   was with a couple of guys one of them [TS]

00:41:22   had a brand-new Audi and the other guy [TS]

00:41:25   had a had borrowed his dad's Corvette [TS]

00:41:27   and we were we're hanging out and there [TS]

00:41:29   was a group of about 10 of us sitting [TS]

00:41:32   around and this was this was the first [TS]

00:41:34   time that you know the Corvette was [TS]

00:41:35   still kind of the car then matter to [TS]

00:41:37   people in the eighties i guess i'm not [TS]

00:41:40   sure maybe not but in any case we're [TS]

00:41:42   sitting there kind of cruising we're [TS]

00:41:44   watching the cruisers go by and we're [TS]

00:41:47   smoking pot or drinking beer and we're [TS]

00:41:48   having a good time and this guy walks up [TS]

00:41:50   who's like a little bit older and he's [TS]

00:41:56   like hey you guys you know what's going [TS]

00:41:57   on [TS]

00:41:58   sits and talks to us for a while and [TS]

00:41:59   we're like a little suspicious of this [TS]

00:42:01   guy but but it's Saturday night we're [TS]

00:42:03   having a good time and he seems I guess [TS]

00:42:07   cool that's not so sure he's like hey [TS]

00:42:09   here you guys like to party we're like [TS]

00:42:12   how we like to party and he says you [TS]

00:42:16   want to hit of what I'm smoking and [TS]

00:42:22   we're all sitting there smoking pot and [TS]

00:42:25   it seemed like a gesture of [TS]

00:42:29   [Music] [TS]

00:42:31   friendly pot like pop culture friend [TS]

00:42:35   exchange yeah like here have a hit of my [TS]

00:42:38   pot I'll take a hit of your pot and so [TS]

00:42:41   he hands the pipe to my friend shannon [TS]

00:42:45   and shadows like sure to get your bottom [TS]

00:42:50   and we're still this guy's there's [TS]

00:42:51   something there's a vibe about this guy [TS]

00:42:53   that's not a hundred percent but this [TS]

00:42:54   was at an age when you would take a hit [TS]

00:42:57   off of a pipe of a guy that you didn't [TS]

00:42:58   feel a hundred percent confident about [TS]

00:42:59   what's the worst thing that can happen [TS]

00:43:01   yeah and so Shannon takes a hit of the [TS]

00:43:04   pipe and he go he you know he kind of [TS]

00:43:09   looks at the guy and he's like hey man [TS]

00:43:11   what is that and the guy is like be like [TS]

00:43:17   it and shadows like you know like cops [TS]

00:43:21   out a big thing smoking is like hey dude [TS]

00:43:23   that's not cool and the guy splits like [TS]

00:43:26   just heal and toes it down the sidewalk [TS]

00:43:31   and you know and we're kind of sitting [TS]

00:43:33   there in the dark and and Shannon's like [TS]

00:43:36   oh man what the fuck was that [TS]

00:43:38   and we're all like what what wasn't he's [TS]

00:43:40   like oh no I don't know about that and [TS]

00:43:42   he was very touch-and-go for a while and [TS]

00:43:48   he was he [TS]

00:43:49   we came to the conclusion that it was [TS]

00:43:50   PCP and he sort of like we we watched [TS]

00:43:55   him and he was you know he was a guy [TS]

00:43:57   that was not unfamiliar with every kind [TS]

00:43:59   of drug and he ended up being somebody [TS]

00:44:02   who would many years later I think to [TS]

00:44:05   pcp maybe not habitually but on purpose [TS]

00:44:09   sometimes you know he never turned his [TS]

00:44:11   nose up at a thing um but but I had that [TS]

00:44:17   experience and then later on when i was [TS]

00:44:19   working at the offering there was a guy [TS]

00:44:21   who played guitar in a band called mock [TS]

00:44:23   turtle mock turtle spelt ma CH ouchies [TS]

00:44:29   and they were upon visit alex and i was [TS]

00:44:33   hoping his post-rock know this was pre [TS]

00:44:35   post right it was Punk and he went on a [TS]

00:44:40   pcp trip back up [TS]

00:44:42   at times and at one point fell down a [TS]

00:44:44   flight of stairs and at one point [TS]

00:44:45   through his guitar out the window just [TS]

00:44:47   like art Linkletter his daughter was [TS]

00:44:49   running around naked screaming and [TS]

00:44:50   something about his dad [TS]

00:44:52   oh god yeah tough times mock turtle [TS]

00:44:55   nocturnal huh [TS]

00:44:58   I'm glad I'm s2 clear that stuff I i [TS]

00:45:00   I've got to go back to the diplomatic [TS]

00:45:02   bag for a minute diplomatic pouch [TS]

00:45:04   certain protections used for carrying [TS]

00:45:06   official correspondence here in the [TS]

00:45:08   second sentence is what gets me the [TS]

00:45:09   physical concept of a quote-unquote [TS]

00:45:11   diplomatic bag is flexible and therefore [TS]

00:45:14   can take many forms EG a cardboard box [TS]

00:45:16   briefcase duffel bag large suitcase [TS]

00:45:20   crate or even a shipping container a [TS]

00:45:24   shipping container can be a diplomatic [TS]

00:45:26   pouch shipping container can be a [TS]

00:45:28   diplomatic pouch can I mean this is [TS]

00:45:29   along the lines of like fucking buying [TS]

00:45:31   indulgences you know this is one of [TS]

00:45:33   those completely phony baloney [TS]

00:45:35   make-believe concepts that is its so [TS]

00:45:37   goddamn brilliant [TS]

00:45:38   it's like the it's like the Espionage [TS]

00:45:41   version of like a bag of holding and I [TS]

00:45:43   don't think it's not like somebody from [TS]

00:45:44   both sides has to be there to watch you [TS]

00:45:46   put it in and say like oh no this is [TS]

00:45:48   definitely something top secret nobody [TS]

00:45:49   should know about you just get to by [TS]

00:45:51   Fiat declare this a diplomatic bag you [TS]

00:45:53   get a limit on a certain square-like [TS]

00:45:55   cubic inches of cubic cubic inches of [TS]

00:45:57   diplomatic bag per year per country you [TS]

00:46:00   can drive a Cadillac with Jimmy Hoffa [TS]

00:46:03   and danny devito dead in the back and I [TS]

00:46:07   don't miss that little guy it into into [TS]

00:46:10   a shipping container call it a [TS]

00:46:12   diplomatic power diplomatic pouch and [TS]

00:46:14   drop it into the ocean somewhere [TS]

00:46:16   it seems like a like a really missed [TS]

00:46:19   opportunity here it's just it's he hits [TS]

00:46:21   like I wonder what it would take to [TS]

00:46:23   basically to get almost everything [TS]

00:46:24   declared a diplomatic bag think about [TS]

00:46:26   like not having to pay tariffs you know [TS]

00:46:28   this is the question this is the [TS]

00:46:29   Illuminati question we don't know what [TS]

00:46:30   we don't know [TS]

00:46:31   oh my god you just blew my mind you know [TS]

00:46:33   you and i you and i keep talking about [TS]

00:46:35   how there are no conspiracies that have [TS]

00:46:37   survived yeah then we get a lot of we [TS]

00:46:40   get a lot of chemtrails style you know [TS]

00:46:41   some people telling us that we don't [TS]

00:46:43   know what conspiracies have survived [TS]

00:46:45   because they have survived to keep [TS]

00:46:47   stuffing them into a diplomatic pouch I [TS]

00:46:48   don't get to see him [TS]

00:46:49   that's right who knows what's who knows [TS]

00:46:51   what's buried in the bottom of the ocean [TS]

00:46:53   in a [TS]

00:46:55   dramatic parts that somebody pushed off [TS]

00:46:56   the back of a boat shipping container is [TS]

00:46:58   Big John [TS]

00:47:00   well yeah but I mean did you see the [TS]

00:47:02   movie where Robert Redford sales around [TS]

00:47:03   the world alone on a sailboat and every [TS]

00:47:06   bite his arm off announcing that 10 yeah [TS]

00:47:08   he runs into a shipping container that's [TS]

00:47:09   floating out there in fact when they [TS]

00:47:11   were looking for that Malaysian airliner [TS]

00:47:13   they kept finding pieces of debris in [TS]

00:47:15   the ocean and then with a zoom in on [TS]

00:47:17   it's just a shipping container full of [TS]

00:47:18   tennis shoes that fell off the back of a [TS]

00:47:20   boat it's just floating out there that's [TS]

00:47:22   amazing you think you need like a [TS]

00:47:23   special seal like how do they know it's [TS]

00:47:25   like officially like somebody had to [TS]

00:47:26   give this some kind of an official okie [TS]

00:47:29   dokie to make the the bag or the [TS]

00:47:32   shipping container turn into a [TS]

00:47:33   diplomatic bag that's that's a pretty [TS]

00:47:34   big deal it's one thing to say oh I'm [TS]

00:47:36   going to go park wherever I feel like I [TS]

00:47:37   was a huge thing in san francisco was [TS]

00:47:39   people just like somebody i think this [TS]

00:47:41   one is from Saudi Arabia had like I [TS]

00:47:43   think thousands and thousands of dollars [TS]

00:47:45   in tickets because this guy was just [TS]

00:47:46   fucking with people buy parking like a [TS]

00:47:47   fountain or whatever haha you can't do [TS]

00:47:50   anything because of the diplomatic [TS]

00:47:52   immunity right diplomatic immunity think [TS]

00:47:54   that was I think that was the turning [TS]

00:47:56   point where the the plot point of a lot [TS]

00:47:58   of a tease cop dramas i think it was [TS]

00:48:00   that's right you can't look at what was [TS]

00:48:03   the what was the beverly hills cop [TS]

00:48:05   oh that was a that was a situation where [TS]

00:48:07   the guy was getting through custom [TS]

00:48:09   that's where you put the pot in coffee [TS]

00:48:10   you put the pot in coffee that's right [TS]

00:48:12   for that surely put drugs in john deere [TS]

00:48:14   bands all the German bearer bonds of [TS]

00:48:16   everyone the bear box scheisse hole [TS]

00:48:20   which was also the plot of diehard [TS]

00:48:22   during never had problems right where [TS]

00:48:25   they need to be painted the the the lock [TS]

00:48:29   on the safe to disengage brilliant [TS]

00:48:32   everyone's ya see German bearer bonds [TS]

00:48:37   I've been doing it all wrong the bearer [TS]

00:48:40   bonds vulnerable i feel like i feel like [TS]

00:48:43   there is not that much oversight in what [TS]

00:48:47   someone calls a diplomatic pouch i did [TS]

00:48:50   is i think has been controversies in the [TS]

00:48:52   past and it was not a big issue for all [TS]

00:48:54   a couple years ago where somebody open [TS]

00:48:56   diplomatic bag and does not happen [TS]

00:48:58   sometimes something gets mad because [TS]

00:49:00   somebody in North Korea open the [TS]

00:49:02   diplomatic bag or something [TS]

00:49:03   Oh [TS]

00:49:04   no I i have not been up on like the [TS]

00:49:07   diplomatic bag blogs [TS]

00:49:09   what if what if you found some way [TS]

00:49:11   nothing to do this in a legal way but it [TS]

00:49:13   seems to me that you would get through [TS]

00:49:15   tsa a lot faster to do you still have to [TS]

00:49:17   do a lot of flying this summer you know [TS]

00:49:18   you need to get some diplomatic bags [TS]

00:49:21   you might have to go through tsa you [TS]

00:49:23   might just hold up the bag and they're [TS]

00:49:24   waving through the only way to see it [TS]

00:49:26   I've you know the the other day I went [TS]

00:49:28   to sea tac airport for the grand opening [TS]

00:49:30   of the sub pop store and had that on [TS]

00:49:35   your calendar for a while [TS]

00:49:36   well you know I like I'm friends with [TS]

00:49:38   the with the sub pop your feet on his [TS]

00:49:40   desk at one point that's right he and I [TS]

00:49:42   he and i were were fast friends but [TS]

00:49:44   Megan Jasper who is the executive vice [TS]

00:49:47   president of Sub Pop she and I both sit [TS]

00:49:50   on the Seattle music Commission together [TS]

00:49:52   so we see each other all the time and I [TS]

00:49:54   Megan invited some of us down to the [TS]

00:49:57   grand opening of the sub pop store in [TS]

00:49:59   the airport which required that we go [TS]

00:50:01   through the airport as employees so we [TS]

00:50:06   all met we rendezvous dat a part of the [TS]

00:50:08   airport I had never really been to it [TS]

00:50:10   hadn't occurred to me to go explore like [TS]

00:50:12   the part of the airport that is being [TS]

00:50:14   marketed as a convention center because [TS]

00:50:16   apparently you can have a convention at [TS]

00:50:18   the airport now and up a person from the [TS]

00:50:22   airport métis took us in an elevator i [TS]

00:50:25   had never seen before we went down four [TS]

00:50:28   flights chemtrails ordower the basement [TS]

00:50:32   of the airport [TS]

00:50:33   well now we went to a door where [TS]

00:50:37   somebody looked at us on a TV screen you [TS]

00:50:39   know the airport had a basement [TS]

00:50:40   I didn't holy shit wait there's more [TS]

00:50:43   each person that was escorting a group [TS]

00:50:48   of people through this door could only [TS]

00:50:50   take three people with them so there had [TS]

00:50:52   to be there like nine of us there to be [TS]

00:50:54   three escorts and each escort went [TS]

00:50:57   through the door separately so they talk [TS]

00:50:59   to the person on the TV screen there [TS]

00:51:01   like I'm bringing these three people and [TS]

00:51:02   the door buzzed and they went in and [TS]

00:51:04   then the next group and the next group [TS]

00:51:06   and then you're in this incredible [TS]

00:51:09   baggage Warren where it's under the [TS]

00:51:13   building it's completely inside the [TS]

00:51:15   building but all those baggage carts and [TS]

00:51:18   trucks are driving on streets with stop [TS]

00:51:23   lights and intersections and stuff all [TS]

00:51:24   on there's like it looks like one of [TS]

00:51:26   those ups distribution centers the way I [TS]

00:51:30   mean it sounds like a like a Bond [TS]

00:51:31   villain hideout waiting to happen [TS]

00:51:33   absolutely chutes and ladders totally [TS]

00:51:35   going on down there and then so we had [TS]

00:51:38   to wait until we could get across this [TS]

00:51:40   busy street under the building and then [TS]

00:51:44   we went outside onto the tarmac up a [TS]

00:51:49   flight of stairs and outside flight of [TS]

00:51:51   stairs and then use the key card to open [TS]

00:51:56   a door and then we were just in the [TS]

00:51:57   terminal as if we were normal regular [TS]

00:52:02   people except we were surrounded by [TS]

00:52:05   people who had like official badges and [TS]

00:52:07   we were clearly very special people and [TS]

00:52:11   I was like wow this is some serious [TS]

00:52:13   heavy duty in and out if you have the [TS]

00:52:18   right card you can go all around the [TS]

00:52:19   airport right and i think if you are [TS]

00:52:22   carrying diplomatic pouches maybe you're [TS]

00:52:25   going in a different door i'm not sure i [TS]

00:52:28   can't imagine a guy with a special [TS]

00:52:30   diplomatic pouch headed for whose becca [TS]

00:52:32   Stan that he has to put that pouch on [TS]

00:52:35   them on the conveyor belt right possibly [TS]

00:52:39   not i mean it seems like you almost [TS]

00:52:40   would like get the equivalent of a note [TS]

00:52:43   like you would get some kind of thing we [TS]

00:52:45   like a don't make a big deal i got a [TS]

00:52:46   diplomatic pouch you may not have a [TS]

00:52:48   handcuffed to your wrist but it seems [TS]

00:52:50   like I bet you get you get good to go [TS]

00:52:52   through a special line now it's just so [TS]

00:52:53   much amazing about what you just [TS]

00:52:54   described it also doesn't sound like [TS]

00:52:56   something they do all that often that [TS]

00:52:58   Cena exposing you to all that luggage [TS]

00:53:00   down there it just seems like they're [TS]

00:53:01   showing your way too much together into [TS]

00:53:03   a sub pop store [TS]

00:53:04   yeah well I it seems like if you are [TS]

00:53:06   somebody who works at the airport there [TS]

00:53:08   is a way that you go in every day and [TS]

00:53:11   you should you go in through a back door [TS]

00:53:12   and you end up working at the [TS]

00:53:15   at the chipotle er whatever it is at the [TS]

00:53:19   airport right i mean all those people [TS]

00:53:21   have to get into the airport so that i [TS]

00:53:23   think about it a lot but this was a this [TS]

00:53:27   was a a route [TS]

00:53:28   I mean I think they may be worth showing [TS]

00:53:29   off a little bit i'm not exactly sure [TS]

00:53:31   but it was it was a glimpse into the [TS]

00:53:33   literally the bowels of the airport then [TS]

00:53:36   I never thought I would see that is so [TS]

00:53:38   cool i was excited how's the house the [TS]

00:53:41   store and pop store [TS]

00:53:43   yeah I have to give it two thumbs up uh [TS]

00:53:47   it they are selling long winters vinyl [TS]

00:53:50   there is it really like is it is it one [TS]

00:53:53   of those where they act like it's the [TS]

00:53:54   store but it's really just mostly place [TS]

00:53:56   for designing waters in Details magazine [TS]

00:53:58   i know it's it they have they have this [TS]

00:54:01   fantastic selection of very cool stuff [TS]

00:54:05   and it is like it's complete you are in [TS]

00:54:09   the Seattle Airport and you don't go to [TS]

00:54:11   the supplement store your ding-a-ling to [TS]

00:54:12   like shirts shirts and they have damaged [TS]

00:54:15   an entire wall of vinyl you can buy any [TS]

00:54:18   like the last time i was in there i [TS]

00:54:20   bought super funds big muff and bleach [TS]

00:54:22   and ultimate alternative waivers all on [TS]

00:54:25   vinyl I narrow any of those things on [TS]

00:54:27   vinyl before you sent for your kitchen i [TS]

00:54:28   miss upon record it's right and they're [TS]

00:54:31   there tote bags there there there are [TS]

00:54:32   sub pop branded neck pillows [TS]

00:54:35   it's pretty good it's pretty funny stuff [TS]

00:54:38   and they um they say that they're like [TS]

00:54:42   they're making money along a long time [TS]

00:54:46   before they thought they were and a lot [TS]

00:54:48   more than maple and your friends of [TS]

00:54:50   these people John it sounds like cocaine [TS]

00:54:51   talk i imagine the rent on that place [TS]

00:54:53   has got to be astronomical [TS]

00:54:55   he even imagine what the rental place [TS]

00:54:56   like that must be well yeah except think [TS]

00:54:59   about all the places that are selling [TS]

00:55:01   like stuffed orcas and canned salmon in [TS]

00:55:05   the Seattle Airport it's not it you know [TS]

00:55:09   like for all the for all the beats by [TS]

00:55:14   dr. dre that gets old [TS]

00:55:16   um there are a lot of people making [TS]

00:55:18   money trying to make money just selling [TS]

00:55:20   like the most garbagey crap and bananas [TS]

00:55:23   and Richard here tho dolls [TS]

00:55:25   yeah exactly and and the sub pop store [TS]

00:55:28   also [TS]

00:55:29   the like the manager of it the main guy [TS]

00:55:31   is Mark pickles the drummer of the [TS]

00:55:33   Screaming Trees what [TS]

00:55:34   so if you go in there all the people [TS]

00:55:37   that are that are working at the sub pop [TS]

00:55:40   like see no greater ar-ar-ar like actual [TS]

00:55:43   rock stars that's hilarious [TS]

00:55:45   are you screaming trees fan I'd i'm not [TS]

00:55:48   super familiar [TS]

00:55:49   yeah yeah they're very good oh my [TS]

00:55:51   goodness what you couldn't guess that [TS]

00:55:53   home we had your feet up on that guy's [TS]

00:55:54   desk never would've guessed well and I [TS]

00:55:56   can I try to make that joke i thought [TS]

00:55:58   that it was very funny to make a joke [TS]

00:55:59   like wow we really come a long way from [TS]

00:56:01   you know he's famously disputed a lot of [TS]

00:56:05   your stories the veracity of your [TS]

00:56:06   stories in the past has a the Jonathan [TS]

00:56:09   Parliament is that the guy [TS]

00:56:10   yeah he and I I you know it was that was [TS]

00:56:14   my first exposure to to somebody saying [TS]

00:56:19   everything I wanted someone to say to me [TS]

00:56:22   like we talked about wanting to be [TS]

00:56:26   proved right or validated Jonathan [TS]

00:56:29   Parliament came up to me after our third [TS]

00:56:32   show is the Hurricanes there's the [TS]

00:56:34   Western State hurricanes and said you [TS]

00:56:37   are the future of rock and roll [TS]

00:56:39   that's number one that was like no dude [TS]

00:56:41   look yes thank you and he was like I'm i [TS]

00:56:43   want to take you to lunch tomorrow and I [TS]

00:56:45   was like okay and you know he was a [TS]

00:56:47   famous sky in seattle and he took me to [TS]

00:56:50   lunch and we laughed and we had fun and [TS]

00:56:54   he's very smart and he said listen [TS]

00:56:56   there's no there's nobody in rock that's [TS]

00:56:59   doing what you're doing and it needs it [TS]

00:57:01   rock'n'roll needs it and I was like tell [TS]

00:57:04   me more about this tell me more about [TS]

00:57:07   how rock-and-roll needs me he was like [TS]

00:57:09   rock-and-roll needs you and this was but [TS]

00:57:14   this was in the kind of the dark years [TS]

00:57:16   of sub pop right between I mean was pre [TS]

00:57:20   resurgence pre shins pre and post like [TS]

00:57:24   that [TS]

00:57:25   Singles Club and stuff like that post [TS]

00:57:27   singles club it's right in the priest [TS]

00:57:29   brothers era writer the stone mountain [TS]

00:57:31   boys [TS]

00:57:32   um there was an era already kind of [TS]

00:57:36   diversifying tip yeah six or seven years [TS]

00:57:38   there where they weren't really having [TS]

00:57:39   very many hits and they were playing [TS]

00:57:41   that they were making a lot of different [TS]

00:57:42   kinds of you [TS]

00:57:42   but before they started having hits [TS]

00:57:46   again because the next generation of [TS]

00:57:48   bands to come out on sub-options [TS]

00:57:51   post-service band of horses you know [TS]

00:57:53   whatever fleet foxes I mean they had [TS]

00:57:56   hits and hits and hits in the two [TS]

00:57:58   thousands but in 1998 it was still it [TS]

00:58:02   was still kind of a weird time and he [TS]

00:58:05   really so that's when Suppan it was [TS]

00:58:06   putting records there [TS]

00:58:08   yes that's crazy zutano was not selling [TS]

00:58:11   yeah I know it's hard even google them [TS]

00:58:14   there were some great bands but they [TS]

00:58:18   bring our friend Sean and I think might [TS]

00:58:19   be the only still standing Zampano super [TS]

00:58:22   fans in the world i love them so much of [TS]

00:58:25   a pretty big ben because of because I [TS]

00:58:27   got into them you know reverse following [TS]

00:58:30   AC newman i went back and figured out [TS]

00:58:32   Zapata oh it was after mathematics went [TS]

00:58:34   back it was yeah well it was after it [TS]

00:58:37   was after that first in AC newman solo [TS]

00:58:40   record why [TS]

00:58:41   really yeah that thing is die don't like [TS]

00:58:44   I got a I got a great video of my [TS]

00:58:47   daughter dancing to like a hit man like [TS]

00:58:50   a dancer which is about two years old to [TS]

00:58:53   dance the day and doesn't don't don't [TS]

00:58:54   don't don't don't kind of mention one [TS]

00:58:57   thing John passing his last sentence of [TS]

00:58:59   the opening paragraph it is often the [TS]

00:59:01   diplomatic bag it is often escorted by a [TS]

00:59:04   diplomatic courier is similarly immune [TS]

00:59:08   from arrest and detention going me know [TS]

00:59:13   what you want now i know that's a power [TS]

00:59:15   that you would only use for good i'm [TS]

00:59:16   just saying if you wanted to start up a [TS]

00:59:18   cocaine rave right Faye with with that [TS]

00:59:23   was emerging Jackson playing playing [TS]

00:59:24   playing piano is our 2nd base that's [TS]

00:59:27   right because the other he had you could [TS]

00:59:32   you could be hit so much you were [TS]

00:59:33   carrying something that said diplomatic [TS]

00:59:36   bag on it they couldn't arrest you [TS]

00:59:37   so in this sense the courier is an [TS]

00:59:39   extension of the bag [TS]

00:59:41   which is an extension of the the [TS]

00:59:43   Admiralty of the other kind of the [TS]

00:59:45   country of the sovereignty [TS]

00:59:46   that's right it is a samedi is it is [TS]

00:59:48   you're like the long erect wang of [TS]

00:59:50   america and nobody is allowed to put the [TS]

00:59:52   cuffs on that way you're holding onto [TS]

00:59:54   the bag and as long as you hold onto the [TS]

00:59:56   bag holding eight you have the power of [TS]

00:59:59   the nation [TS]

00:59:59   the nation [TS]

01:00:00   it could be it could be full of like [TS]

01:00:03   ritz crackers it doesn't matter [TS]

01:00:04   you better shake it you got it is back [TS]

01:00:06   especially if you have handcuffed to [TS]

01:00:08   your hand I'm just saying I think [TS]

01:00:09   ninety-nine percent of diplomatic bags [TS]

01:00:12   are full of cocaine has to be [TS]