Roderick on the Line

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00:00:20 ◼   ► below I John hi Merlin is going pretty [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► good pretty good it's really early all [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► how did your night end last night trying [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► to think so long ago I think that it [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► just was a bit just kind of petered out [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► instead of ending with a bang but a the [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► because of global climate change the [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► city of seattle all has been enjoying [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► spectacular weather i'm sorry it's been [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► a real trial and normally June is the [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► month where it rains a lot and every the [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► juniors the month where everybody's like [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► every year [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► it surprises us that this has been true [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► for the last 20 years of me living here [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► and I think throughout time because you [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► have a nice you know couple of nice days [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► in April and May and you're like a [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► summer's here and then in June just [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► rains and everybody goes oh what and we [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► forget every year we forget that it [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► happens and then when it happens it's [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► like this this bait-and-switch we feel [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► like we're being robbed and then july [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► the summer comes right that's the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► typical seattle / summer well the last [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► couple of years it's just been sunny all [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► June like just send me the whole time [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► sunny and 75 degrees which is which is [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► you know a real ripoff [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► and one of the things that I guess we [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► never realized was that when it rained [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► it kept all all the pollen and the [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► allergenic components and kept them down [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► the ground kept them down a little bit [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► kept him down in the ground where they [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► belong and now there's nothing keeping [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► them down the sky is just filled with [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► bits and they're floating around and [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► they're getting my nose and they're [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► getting my eyes I wake up in the morning [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► it's like that's like there's gum in my [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► eyes chewing gum and my nose is all [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► scratchy and so just like such a global [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► warming is really a really bad if you [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► say think it might be real I mean items [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► are climate change I didn't mean to say [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► global warming but like you know for [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► instance like I'm sure there are some [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► people whose houses are being washed [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► away into the ocean because they live on [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► a toll and there are you know the Bears [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► are dying in the Arctic but you know i [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► have really scratchy eyes [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► yeah and I feel like if you had a parade [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► you probably could go i couldn't I'd [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► have to you know i have to be in a in a [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► motorized chair and you make the judge [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► about the bubble [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► yeah because it's like a mystery writer [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► mr. tarak sends his regrets as I walk [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► around in a t-shirt and shorts and and [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► enjoy the you know life in paradise here [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► scripts itchy so identified sneezy [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► I mean I suppose I could I could do some [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► research and take some kind of medicine [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► of some kind [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► I think I tickets I tucanos medicine [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► everyday and it's one of those things [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► where I i think it helps I you know it's [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► one of those really annoying kinds of [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► things like an old person pill where you [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► only notice that is doing anything when [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► he stopped taking it [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► mhm now how's that figure could you go [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► to the could you go to costco could you [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► get as i do a large bottle of generic [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► claritin is that that is that in your [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► technologies so this is another one of [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► these problems are you ready for this [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► so you know I rented an office and that [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► is a you know that's a payment i have a [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► monthly payment now for that and then [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► that comes with there's little utility [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► payment or something and that [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► accompanies it looks like oh i see the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► rent isn't really the rent it's the rent [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► plus this other amount and then i gotta [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► get internet there and there's one [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► company that provides the internet you [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► can't just can't shop around familiar [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► with that you have to pay the one people [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► have to pay them whatever they ask and [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► they will provide you whatever service [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► they think it is their service like you [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► know you say i want internet I want [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► internet that's fast and good and [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► they're like well we have this internet [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► we have this amount of internet that we [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► are going to go we are able to give you [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► or willing to you can't say what you [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► described as it sounds it sounds like [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► something from like light nineties you [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► going to this place and your option is [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► pay for this wireless that we have here [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► or don't have internet right that's it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► that's all you got so you can't get like [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► a nice I ethernet connection there [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► no those are your options you could not [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► go down to to the marketplace [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► thank you for your cooperation where all [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► the people are there are walking there [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► where's 18t comcast they're all there [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► with little booths [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► hey little Barker's hey guy come on over [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► here check out our internet there's none [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► of that so but i have to have internet [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► down there so that's another payment and [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► then I start thinking like oh well you [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► know i i've been having this trouble [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► invoicing people and now I'm not [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► downloaded this invoicing program and it [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► turns out that is a payment he pay you [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► pay for that and then now i'm looking at [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► nose spray i gotta get that I gotta get [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► back on i gotta pay for nose spray every [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► month at an additional cost and you know [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► it's one of these things when I first [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► when I first realized that I needed to [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► that I was not going to be able to live [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► in the modern world without a driver's [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► license and this I realize this at the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► age of but 26 [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► I was like you know what I've been [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► without a driver's license for a long [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► time and that the inconvenience of it is [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► that has now surpassed the indignity of [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► having to get one and I when I got a [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► driver's license and then you know right [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► away like you know you gotta get [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► insurance and I gotta start obeying the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► law and all these other you know [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► corollary effects and you know once they [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► get you not you know then they just they [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► drag you back in well you know I know [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► you're in kind of a raw place right now [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► with with the expenses but but let me [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► put this in 42 as somebody who's doing [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► those things with an office is also need [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► a second set of everything so if you [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► want to get the nasal chrome or you want [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► to get the generic claritin you gotta [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► have you [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► that's exactly right yeah yeah so so you [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► know it's like when I got the iphone 5 [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► all the sudden I needed to buy five new [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► cables because i had over the years of [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► owning an iphone 4i had acquired all the [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► cabling and I mean right i had a car [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► charger i had a cable at my mom's house [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► had a cable upstairs and cable [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► downstairs a table at my mom's house and [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► then but the by the new phone you wait [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► you wait for the you wait for the new [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► phone to come out and you get it [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► oh all your cables are garbage now yeah [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► I had to get all new cables and then not [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► everyone in my family switched over to [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► the iphone 5 so we got duplicated cables [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► everywhere four and five cable [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► how do i trust that Apple isn't going to [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► come up with a brand-new cable with the [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► six [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► how do i do I have you know like you [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► you're telling me I should trust that [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► you took your saying no I wouldn't do [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► that but how do i know now [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► ya know what I mean burn me once shame [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► on shame on you burn me twice is that [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► the shame on me wonder is it does do is [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► it the third time that it's a shame on [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► me for me once [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► can't fool me right that's right [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► internal that was going your eyes [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► miserable tell you what tell you what [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► so anyway I just feel like i might as [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► well just start up on autopay at my bank [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► and everybody shake hands with it just [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► starts paying him something you know [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► what I mean like just hi nice to meet [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► you old now you're now you're connected [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► via some app right somebody some tinder [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► app it's like oh hi [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► what a nice to meet you now we're now we [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► both know it turns out we both like [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► flock at all right well here's twenty [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► bucks it like Robert De Niro and get [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► around getting ever given everybody [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► twenties just goes and starts going into [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► your account i'm never gonna see you [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► well you know that's what that's what's [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► gonna happen you're gonna get you're [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► going to get these apps you know you [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► just said it's just a plague laps when [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► all we decided that down you know we all [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► long story short they basically my [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► daughter needed to have a room at some [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► point she was a kid and and plus I was [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► you know pretty sprawled out in the [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► second bedroom and so I should get an [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► office the only point is that like at [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► the time it seemed like kind of a big [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► deal but not a huge deal like oh I have [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► this office where I will go and I will [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► do office things and it seems too simple [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► mio my daughter got a rope and now like [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► I hate how much I kind of can't imagine [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► going back I would love to not have the [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► expense of this but it would be it would [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► be chaos if you go back to a pre office [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► economy [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► well I mean you know part of it is that [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the bad on me part is like now the [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► sprawl is on the office and I just I [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► dread the idea of having to consolidate [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► all of this i can probably just walk [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► away i could grab the laptop can [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► literally walk away and set it on fire [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► he keep the next crime i'll get the [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► paddle ball game in a chair you think [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► we'll keep the office I mean it sounds [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► like it's still kind of a weird fit for [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► well it's a lot of hassle you how I if I [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► could say or how committed are you do [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► you got like a lease and stuff i know i [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► mean it's you know it's seattle right [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► you could get anyway the the most [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► stringent lease in the city I feel like [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► you could walk in [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► 22 the manager's office one day and just [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► be like yeah you know I just um and the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► manager be like oh yeah okay [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► no it's not was going to somebody and [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► sue me yeah no it's not that I feel [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► bound I like having it i'm just i'm not [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► using it yet because you know the big [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► big problem my whole life I've done this [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► it's like oh well if i dangled the [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► carrot if i put it if you know if if if [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► on monday i put a carrot on a string and [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► I put it out [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► I and I attached it to a fishing pole [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► and I attached the fishing pole to a hat [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► and I put the Hat on every morning when [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► I wake up then I will start working and [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► if i do that on monday by wednesday i [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► maybe i'll have forgotten that i did [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► that and it'll just be this carrot that [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► I don't know where it came from and I [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► wake up in the morning and i'll put on [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► my hat that i always put on you know [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► I've never put on a hat in my life but [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► this is the idea right I'm going to put [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► on this hat this new that all i have to [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► do is put on the Hat and then McCarron [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► will be there and then I'll go and I'll [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► chase the carrot and I'll forget that [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► this is all plan that I'm trying to like [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► sneak in on myself and I know it's early [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► but let me try to understand this [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► you're saying you need a way to [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► habituate yourself to doing a work thing [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► over a period of time [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► kind of yeah but that's been true that's [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► been true since i was in fifth grade [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► yeah and so so you know what I was in [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► the when I was making record albums a [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► lot which it would never actually was [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► making them a lot but the times that i [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► did make record albums but the fact that [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► there was a lot of expense involved and [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► you had to get a bunch of people all [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► pulling together actually did have the [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► effect of getting me at least to finish [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► those things that i did finish [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► but so this office is just another one [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► of these strategies of like well if i [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► get an office and i buy a new computer [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► and i put the new computer in the office [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► and i am paying for internet at the [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► office then necessarily i will wake up [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► every morning at nine have a healthy [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► breakfast read the newspaper and by non [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► your care infected but on the care that [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► by nine-thirty i will be you know i will [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► be merging into traffic [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► come on on my commute to your office on [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► my way to the office and then i will get [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► there and i'll you know hang up my head [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► on the hat rack and i'll say because [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► she's the carrot the morning Marge and [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► I'll sit down at my computer and i will [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► write the the work that i really truly [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► do want to write and that I feel like I [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► desperately need to write but obviously [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► don't need to write strongly enough that [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► i'd just wake up and and and write it [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► without all the with all without all [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► this like Bologna in the middle and it's [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► astonishing how easy it is to wake up in [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► the morning not put on the carrot had [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► and you know and spend like three hours [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► looking at my phone and then decide that [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► it's been a long time since I've had [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► Fried Chicken so I better get better [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► take care of that before the day gets [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► too much older this episode of rock on [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► the line is sponsored by our very good [TS]

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00:15:19 ◼   ► goes by so answer your question i love [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► the office i do not yet resented like it [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► hasn't become a thing but I paying money [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► and I just don't know i don't even want [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► to go down there because it makes me [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► feel so bad about the waist which is you [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► know that i can remember a gym [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► membership i bought in the mid nineties [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► when i went down i bought the gym [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► membership I i decided i was going to [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► get a year instead of a month-to-month [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► because that was the only way I was [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► gonna it was that year membership is [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► going to motivate me [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► I got my picture taken i got an ID card [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► with a photo on it I put it in my wallet [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► and I never went back to the gym [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► not a single time really i did not even [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► go in to use the bathroom when I was [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► walking by like that the i started [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► changing my route so that i wouldn't go [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► by the gym and be forced to remember and [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► that's a terrible feeling but I never [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► took the card out of my wallet because [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► what if tomorrow is that what if [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► tomorrow is the day here and so it's a [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► terrible feeling I've done it to myself [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► a thousand times now the office has not [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► turned into that the office still is a [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► place of hope and i still believe [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► because I have all these things I have [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► all these wonderful projects that feel [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► like they're I'm and so tantalizingly [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► close to to embarking on these little [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► projects i bought some about the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► expensive voice recognition software [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► oh yeah [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► and I'm going to attend the training yet [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► I haven't trained it fit I want to hear [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► how that goes [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► I'm gonna train the software and then [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► I'm gonna have I'm gonna play the tapes [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► into the software and if i play the [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► tapes into the software and it produces [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► even a seventy-five percent accurate [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► documents i feel like that will that [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► will be work i'll be excited to do come [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► through the transcripts fix it up we [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► clarify the ideas begin work on a you [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► know on a big project a big writing [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► project but the dictation software could [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► also produce Jabberwocky [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► yeah I don't spoil this for you that's [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► that you know it's on the same way i [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► feel like if i were to get transcripts [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► of all the bullshit I've said over the [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► last three to five years i have three [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► books they just need to be edited for [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► shizzle and editing is fun it can be [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► anything I my problem was I mean God I [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► have gosh I you know what i shouldn't [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► say anything but you know [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► hmm yeah you know there's well you know [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► like for me I I i went and i went and by [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► the voice software when when I was in a [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► similar place to what I perceive you to [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► be in right now which is like there's a [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► big writing thing I need to do and my [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► problem is that that I know I know all [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► this stuff and I can feel that thing [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► just out of reach that's that's almost [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► this thing and what if I just you know [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Mikey's alternated like yes I'm cases of [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► sit down type you know make outlines all [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► these things all right all but like it [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► will be pretty great if I could just [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► walk around in my private office and [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► have the the dingus take it all down my [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► problem was like you know what you can [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► guess what the ending was which was that [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► like it didn't help and partly because i [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► think i never got it trained too quite [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► right and I never could forget the fact [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► that i was talking to voice recognition [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► software i think that's the key turning [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► point a 70-percent if I had ninety-five [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► percent correct it was still driving me [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► bananas [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► yeah you know but you know but it could [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► work you know my problem also and I [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► don't know if this helps her or harms [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► but if when I look back at like having [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► gotten an office in 2008 that's a very [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► it's an interesting point I think it's [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► something like maybe the summer of two [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► thousand eight something like that [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► this is a different office in your [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► current offer the same office you got [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► that office in 2008 yeah you've had it [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► that whole time I had no ideas expensive [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► i but but what you know what's funny [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► about a funny thing happened I mean you [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► know it's ironic that I like a lot of [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► the reason i got its super ironic that I [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► got it because i need to record podcasts [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► and so therefore now I have a street car [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► going by outside that are right here [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I should have really thought that [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► through but you know apart from having [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► to record things like you know what a [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► total of maybe one hour of music and [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► during that entire time to recorded [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► music but you know hours and hours and [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► hours a podcast the funny part is is [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► that like within probably a few months [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► even or at least no more than a year [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► after that like everything got so much [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► easier to do with stuff like my phone [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► and I didn't really I mean I needed a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► place to put my giant computer and my [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► giant screens and my giant connections [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► in my giant router and all that stuff [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► but the truth is that you know if i have [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► something to say I if I really have [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► something to say and I'm motivated to [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► say i can type that on the iphone no [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► problem and and that's that's what kicks [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► me in the ass is like I have all this [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► expense and all this trouble and all [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► this hassle is garbage in my office when [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► like honestly to to be a writer like you [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► know it isn't like i have 10 books and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► things that need to be edited edited and [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► I need to do you know the Magna Carta [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► and translation or something like that [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► you know it's it's it's kind of funny [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► that I have all this infrastructure at a [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► time when I could be writing anywhere [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► but i'm not you know that's not the [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► offices fault [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► well it's and it's not but it is kind of [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► I mean it is the it's the myth of it it [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► it's the myth of of productivity and of [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► user friendliness and listening [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► like Apple in particular above all of [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► their companies has profited from the [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► idea that we are all artists and all we [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► lacked was the tools and I mean that [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► premise was sort of at the foundation of [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► seventies and educate seventies [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► childhood education that all we needed [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► to do was free these peoples little [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► minds and get them out of this nineteen [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► fifties model of Education and let them [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► play and let them have finger paints and [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► we're going to discover this generation [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► of artists and that and that that even [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► if we even if that were true and that [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► we've discovered a generation of artists [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► the the further lead was that that's [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► what we want that we actually want a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► generation of artists nobody really [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► thought that I can imagine what that [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► would be like a fucking ring if [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► everybody really was an artist [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► oh my god what a fucking nightmare world [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► we would live in but that was the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► premise that my mother used to raise me [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► like I'm going to let him explore his [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► creativity i'm going to let him you know [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► discover the artist within but what if [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► you recall back to when we were in [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► school it was in completely a pardon me [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► I have a have some glue and my throat [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► you know there was in completely applied [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and there were certainly students in the [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► schools that were not being encouraged [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► to finger paint but in general it was [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► much more finger painting the the full [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► at philosophy of education and apple has [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► consistently done a marvelous job of [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► convincing us that we are all filmmakers [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► we are all graphic artists we are all [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► podcasters we are all writers and all we [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► needed all along was just the box of [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► tools and once we have those things the [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► box of tools would set us free [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► and we would be making the beautiful [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► things we wanted it was so easy to make [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► up the the record that we just made with [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► the film that we're working on and once [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► that thing was done you know we would be [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► completely validated and we would be [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► helping people and so we've all been [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► buying these boxes of tools from them [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► these toy box is really now for a couple [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► of decades and we each of us have [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► sitting on our desk the ability to make [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► up make it a complete film with [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► animation and all the music and you know [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► like importantly that you can shoot it [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► and edit it and shoot it on your phone [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► right shoot it edit it even compose them [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► you don't have to even play an [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► instrument because all the musical parts [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► are in there you just have to cut and [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► paste them and make a new symphony and [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► you know the I mean I you can't resent [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► them for it because it's a beautiful [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► idea and it's a beaut and they have [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► actually made very elegant software that [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► enables us to do it but but once again [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► the number of people that are actually [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► making films it like it more or less has [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► remained constant but what we all have [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► now is like hast giant it's super [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► expensive gift boxes that's it on our [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► table tops and say look how elegant I [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► him and you could be making a film on me [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► right now if you were just slightly more [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► of a person you could be making you [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► could be you could be right you could [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► already be writing the book about the [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► making of the film right but you're not [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► and it's not that you don't have the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► tools you have the tools it is something [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► else some other flaw in you and I [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► already had that voice in me I didn't [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► need a elegant white box to amplify it [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► every morning when I woke up and walked [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► past my elegant box of tools [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► that is basically just as a well stroll [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► voice now my cereal my serie just speaks [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► to me in Welsh and and you know and but [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► that has always been the case because [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► before Apple came along I mean I am I am [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► a middle-class person who was given the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► opportunity over and over again the art [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► lessons or nobody nobody insisted that I [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► major in engineering in college like i [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► was invited to major in literature or [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► whatever struck my fancy you know and [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► and so the burden of why i have not made [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► as much beautiful stuff as I as I feel I [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► should have the burden of that is all on [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► me I that I cannot point to any to any [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► obstacle any real obstacle that is [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► outside myself and I wonder whether that [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► it is part of this conversation that [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► we've been having for my four months and [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► years about about this generation that's [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► on our heels that is like so that is so [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► excited about all the obstacles that [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► they perceived in the culture you know [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► that the reason they haven't succeeded [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► is because of of reasons will write all [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► the institutional institutional problems [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► that maybe you maybe you look at them [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► when you see them as being a privilege [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► middle-class person but that's not how [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► they see themselves because you're not [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► perceiving the all the all the cultural [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► walls that prevent them from using their [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► little white boxes to make you don't [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► been in particular all the ones that [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► don't have the little white box that [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► have to use a dell which also has all [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► the same software or maybe doesn't even [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► have a dell maybe has to go to the [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► computer science center at the library [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► to use their incredible little white [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► boxes that are available free to anyone [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► um yeah I mean you know what I got a lot [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► of thoughts on this but i mean i'll keep [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► it short that one thing is that we [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► really are still in the infancy of a lot [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► of this stuff the problem you're [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► describing is is not new but what is new [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► is that I mean in the course of wanting [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► to take 20 years [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► really you know in the course of really [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► kind of five years but especially above [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► 10 years we've gone from so many things [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► that were out of touch out of reach [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► either so I mean so many things where as [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► we've talked about ad nauseam [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► I mean a time when the idea of being [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► able to pretty to write perform produce [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► and publish and sell your own music [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► each required a different special set of [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► stuff that was costly maybe not the [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► writing you can come along and play the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► ukulele but you know recording your [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► music meant going to a studio certainly [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► meant you know are buying and mastering [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► an instrument getting that Preston [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► mastered costs money getting that [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► distributed to Sam Goody all of the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► steps you know it seems so far away and [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it's partly what made rockstar seem like [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► rockstars is that all that stuff [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► required the benediction of so many [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► people and or you know or a fat wallet [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► I mean you know you remember like seeing [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► ads in the back of rolling stone for [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► being able to publish your own book and [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► the idea that generally least call it a [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► vanity press right so you can go out and [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► publish your memoirs and say I have a [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► published book that I happen to about [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► all 1,000 copies so I mean that's always [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► been something that's available people [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► but it's I think we're all I mean I [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► don't know it's so different from person [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► to person but I think we're all still [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► catching up with that in some ways it's [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► just that right now i think it is i [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► don't know how much it says about like [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► our artistic this is nothing overarching [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► about their artistic future but you know [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► it's just it is very easy and fun to [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► take a photograph add some filters to it [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► and put it somewhere you know they [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► collect your stars is that that is [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► really fun and there's a it's it's [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► addictive and it's it's a big community [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► kind of thing and if you want i'm trying [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► to pivot to a bigger point here but in [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► that case like I'm guilty as anybody of [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► like saying oh gosh i said a funny thing [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► i hope people like it [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► I put up a pretty picture i hope people [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► start it and that is what could be more [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► distracting or more procrastination [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► making or this is even setting aside the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► entire anger inch industry of all the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► things that we're supposed to be you [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► know passionate about but in all in [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► those cases I mean everybody knows what [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► they've got on their phone everybody [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► opens up garage band at least once in [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► place with it you know people have [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► probably edited you know videos of their [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► baby when they're very motivated about [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► that topic and send it to the family but [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► it isn't something you keep going within [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► the pivot is that this really awful and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► and annoying and in my experience [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► absolutely true fact which is that [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► to paraphrase things will durant you [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► know we are what we do what we [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► frequently do whatever it is that you do [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► a lot is what you do and you know you [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► talked about in a previous episode about [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► manifesting about the idea of sort of [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► announcing that you're now a [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► professional photographer or one that [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► always gets me is people announcing the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► third SEO expert or a thought leader it [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► you know doesn't cost anything to do [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► that and you know other people who are [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► aspiring now look up to you because of [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► that but it's not the same thing is [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► showing up in doing that work every day [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► so I mean what William seo seo again its [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► search engine optimization and it's this [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► huge industry google yeah it's it's the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► day the basic idea is in its to put it [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► in the least you know value-laden way [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► it's a way of making sure that the [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► content on your website is being gobbled [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► up properly by google but that gets [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► darker and black hat it's a way of [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► turning game system so that you show up [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► at the top for viagra or whatever right [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► but anyway I mean all I'm saying is like [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► I'm this is I don't mean this as advice [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► except in as much as it is advice that I [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► need to hear which is that like you know [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► what it really it's just a matter of if [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► you write you get up every day and [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► you're right well true regardless of [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► where you are and that's what I struggle [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► with because i know it really is that [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► simple [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► that's the part that that we're having [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► this expensive and having a I could get [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► up if i could get up at five an hour [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► before my daughter wakes up and have an [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► hour right if I wrote 15 minutes a day [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► every day I have so much more written [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► you know all the time that i SAT around [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► thinking what I really need is to go on [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► some kind of [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► retreat so i can actually write the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► thing i need to write but yeah I've got [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► an office where I can do that feel bad [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► about that too [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► that's the advice of bird by bird by [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► annie Lamont yeah it's pretty it's [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► pretty great book that's a nice little [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► book [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► announcer the artist with me but the [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► artist way already [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► that's it do morning pages ya at [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► i mean i-i don't mean to describe all [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► this stuff as as though it were an [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► actual additional obstacle as much as to [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► say it is another in a long line of non [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► actual obstacles but that are but that [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► are authentically obstacles you know I [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► in the in the sense that in 1964 if you [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► wanted to design a new car if you worked [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► for General Motors and you wanted to [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► design a new car you drew it on a big [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► pad and then he went out and you [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► constructed you constructed that drawing [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► in three dimensions using clay and wood [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and shaped it with a you know with the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► exacto knife until it looked like the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► GTO in your imagination to end the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► process that it took to get that drawing [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► into production and to make a new car [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► was incredibly labor-intensive and yet [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► at some point it happened every year you [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► know they redesigned those cars every [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► year the difference between 56 and 57 [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► Chevy and the 58 Chevy I mean they don't [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► look alike at all they were redesigning [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► those cars using clay models and [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► everybody signed off on it and put those [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► cars and production and were you know [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► and I and across town there were people [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► that were making missile trajectories [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► they were calculating missile [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► trajectories using slide rules and you [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► know they did not have we now have the [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► technology to calculate missile [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► trajectories on our phone if you [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► into and we now have the capability [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► using auto drafting programs to just we [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► could design a new car every day and [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► make a 3d model of it our printer in our [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► in our living rooms but if you look at [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the design of cars now or the design of [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► buildings or the really the design of [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► anything i don't think i don't think [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► it's just a matter of taste i think it [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► is objectively worse and worse all the [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► time right [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► the easier and easier it gets to make [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► things is related [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► well i can't i can't feel like it's not [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► it in the sense that in the sense that [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► it what used to be special knowledge [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► that was um that was prized knowledge is [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► now diffuse knowledge if you call [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► yourself a car designer and you design a [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► bunch of cars like-- way if if General [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► Motors if General Motors I I cannot [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► imagine what is happening in the car [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► design salons at general motors but I [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► have to imagine that what we're there [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► once was a room and some people with [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► theirs in their shirtsleeves and [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► horn-rimmed glasses like walking around [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► drafting tables and at a certain point [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► the design had to come out of somebody [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► and then if if the committee or other [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► people wanted modifications made you [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► know they each time knew it was kind of [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► like recording on tape right [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► you knew what the limitations were [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► before you made a suggestion [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► so it's like okay we just recorded that [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► track live the bass player made a little [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► fun it's the bass player screwed up a [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► little bit [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► is it worth it for us to go back and [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► record that entire thing and and and and [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► shoot for the moon for knowing that [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► we're going to either be burning tape [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► that's expensive or that work that we [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► might lose this take like the [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► limitations of number of tracks and [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► stuff like that and all that stuff and [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► so so before anyone made a suggestion [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► everybody had it in their mind that like [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► oh if i want to change some minor thing [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► about the tail light of this design this [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► talented draftsperson and the designer [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► they're going to have to go back and [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► redo this whole thing and it's going to [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► take them a lot longer and it's gonna [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► and it's expensive to do [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► it's not a question of just moving the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► mouse and the thing you know like let's [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► try that let's make let's take a look [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► and see if what if the taillights were [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► oval-shaped what if the taillights were [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► shaped like a bat you know it was and so [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► what ended up happening was the design [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► more or less came out of one person's [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► imagination [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► maybe you made some suggestions but but [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► for the most part like the the work in [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► getting it to to the place where [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► everybody could even see it was was the [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► lion's share of the work and i can i can [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► only picture now just as in the [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► recording studio the ease of putting on [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► a thousand tracks the ease of [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► manipulating the waveform of the [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► baseline we're like able to grab like [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► drag across the screen and grabbed 10 or [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► 15 points on a vector 3d vector drawing [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► and drag them to completely change the [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► shape of the car [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► yeah right we're at and so anybody [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► walking through that salon who has the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► clearance who is who has made it to the [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► level of of manager can waltz by [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► presumably and say what if the hole par [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► was two inches shorter and two inches [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► taller and everybody knows that there's [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► no cost to making that suggestion so [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► even though the designer is sitting at [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► the computer going oh my god please fuck [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► off [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► he he kinda has to look and answer to [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► the guy be like okay sure [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► let's try it and so he makes it two [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► inches taller he makes it two inches [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► shorter and the guy goes like that [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► and the designer goes fuck it's worse [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► we call that over-the-shoulder time if [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► you ever if you ever go to like the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► print bureau that we used to go to in [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► Tallahassee had they had a rate in a [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► rush rate and they had an [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► over-the-shoulder time rate which is not [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► if the person with the print job stood [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► over you while you were doing stuff with [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► it on the computer you have to pay a lot [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► more I bet right but you know but that's [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► that's got to be happening everywhere [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► and and so as i drive around the city [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► you know I can pin i can point to a [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► building and tell you whether that [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► building whether that building was [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► designed you know sort of pre or post [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► autocad right you can point you can [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► point to the you can point to the the [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► architecture of the development of [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► neighborhoods of things and at a point [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► at which it was no longer expensive to [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► design things really the quality of the [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► design just like drops and and so [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► because all of a sudden now you're like [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► well the design is just a thing that we [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► just can do and so now it's a question [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► of how much is the matter how much is a [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► cost how much are the materials gonna be [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► too and so there's a designer there was [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► like a night then I put dragons all [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► across the top of the building and every [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► window is is quadruple pain purple glass [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and there's somebody that's like well no [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► that's too expensive [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► can you figure out a way to do it [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► without those things and the guys like [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► delete delete delete delete [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► yeah here's here's the version of it [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► without anything [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► yeah that looks good to me does that [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► look at you yeah okay good let's go and [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► it's true across the board meeting you [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► think about contemporary car design the [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► way that they they do things now as they [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► they make a platform and then that [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► platform runs for 15 years and every [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► every year they just changed a slightly [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► change that tail lights and the you know [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► they make a little modification here a [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► little modification there was only one [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► way one way they that those places I [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► assume are similar to apple or any [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► electronics maker is that I don't say [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► they start with the components [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► but I mean one reason you may or may not [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► see a revision is they have to offset [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► the cost of what they're losing in scale [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► so for example they could put out the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► five applicable about the 5c because [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► using the same processor as the iphone [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► what4s my phone in anyway the point is [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► they had gotten a break because they [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► were buying such volume it's very costly [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► to to start all over with stuff that [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► you're going to try to make it scale you [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► know anything but so for my part like [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► the projects that i have in mind right [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► now are but I should finish my album i [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► should also finish an album of songs [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► that are different than the songs that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► I'm making currently like an album of [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► songs that do not sound like the long [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► winters furniture she crazy my Sunday's [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► record right i should finish my book [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► about my walk across Europe please I [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► should my wife that's about that if you [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► should you know anybody who you let read [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► part of that book is like what is with [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► it's such a good book but i'm [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► sympathetic but still I should finish or [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► I should then write my book i should [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► write my theory of feminism mm which is [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► you know going to be pretty thick book [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► but it's gonna change the way we look at [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► the world i should write my book on [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► economics again massive tongue and write [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► a book on economics [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► yeah absolutely oh those are hot right [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► now I have a really good book on [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► economics that's going to blow people's [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► minds but you know it really suits the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► hard work it requires it requires [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► research wikipedia i wouldn't heat [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► agreed at least three minions or i could [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► sit and be like what is the lab figure [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► out how much trees are worth [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► and you know and then also i have i have [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► essentially if I collected all of my [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► seattle weekly columns all the columns [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► I've written in the last couple of years [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► there is the thread of a kind of [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► rock-and-roll autobiography / you know [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► book of cultural musings i mean the the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► the page count is already there [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► it just requires like the connective [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► tissue nice to think that yeah I know [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► right and uh and so all these things are [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► like Oh yash you know it isn't a [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► question of pick one and go [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► it is because because if I pick 1i work [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► on it for a little while and I'm like up [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► at that other thing ever and and I can [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► you know I have to imagine that that [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► that that writers have been doing this [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► for centuries right and the the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► unpublished works of all my heroes are [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► all these like half thought-out [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► scribbles and outlines of the books that [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► they should be writing and so forth and [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► so on but you know in addition to all of [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► that work you know I have to maintain my [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► Twitter and I still haven't graduated [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► from college and other people's twitter [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► i have to maintain other people's [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► Twitter you got it you know what are you [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► going to make make corrections yeah [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► arata so I mean I obviously like I don't [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► believe that the technology isn't is a [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► is any kind of new inhibition because [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► it's just it is just given shape and a [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► different shape and form two very old [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► inhibitions are very old roadblocks in [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► between as you say the real process of [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► just what wake up in the morning and [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► writing which is which couldn't be [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► simpler and yet it's not easy it's [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► simple but it's not easy right [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► and yet each new tool i mean i remember [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► i remember WordStar and sitting and [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► working inward star and having to having [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► to remember the commands [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► for all the very simple little edits [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► that you wanted to make and you know and [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► feeling like this is better than a [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► typewriter because with a typewriter you [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► can't go back and change a whole [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► paragraph but but the the fact of a [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► typewriter is that once you write the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► paragraph it at least as written [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► you can go back in and cross it out with [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► a red pen [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► yeah but but it's there and maybe maybe [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► two months later you come back and [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► you're like why did I cross that out [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► that was actually the the germ of a [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► great idea and in word processing [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► software you know you i will all the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► time delete a page of stuff that is just [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► sort of deleted right i mean i guess i [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► could go back to an earlier draft but [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► never do right and a lot of times you [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► delete as you're writing and it's just [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► like nope nope nope nope nope and what [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► you end up with is what you end up with [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► and a lot of times it feels like it's [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► what you settle on rather than what you [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► rather than it being crafted [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► particularly crafted you know i have [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► i've recently gotten to be friends with [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► this guy is going to virtually [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► impossible to track his name because [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► anybody can get this guy is but he's on [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► is it [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► I you know I use this word [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► parsimoniously I think he's very [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► inspiring times yep yep he's a good man [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► now this guy is either as a webcomic [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► that he puts up every day and he's it's [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► pretty popular it's pretty super popular [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► and it's so he's just there in Photoshop [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► and makes this webcomic and he puts it [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► up you know every night by midnight and [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► that's just the thing that he does every [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► day growing it but there's so much about [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► what he does that I want to see [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► inspiring it's like I want to steal his [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► ideas for what he does [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► it's not that in that sense it's not so [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► different from blogging in some ways but [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► he has up you know a pretty rabid [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► following for his comic but like he's [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► just strikes me as such a smart guy [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► because that's if you ask what he does [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► you say all he does is comic you've [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► heard of [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► called this and he does that he puts it [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► up every night but like he really he [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► interests me because first of all he [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► does that every day which is harder than [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► it sounds having something you gotta do [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► you haven't seen the desert there's a [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► pretty good documentary recent [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► documentary called stripped it's all [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► about comic strips and making them and [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► it lots of great interviews and watching [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► people draw but its trajectory is real [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► drudgery have to you know turn in weeks [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► of Kathy or whatever like there's a lot [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► of work to it but anyhow but what so [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that's interesting to me that he manages [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► to pull that off every day but other [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► things that appeal like you know he's [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► like a better word leverage that into [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► these other things so basically he's [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► just constantly making web comics and [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► he's making in with these characters [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► you're familiar with selected a he put a [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► post on medium he has a column [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► quote-unquote in Macworld every week one [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► of his you know cartoons is featured in [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► Macworld and but you know it all started [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► with this thing where he just had a [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► thing you put on the web and now that's [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► in turn in all those places now here's [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► the twist is that he's a very [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► frustrating character to a lot of people [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► because he I don't think he has any [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► advertising on the site if he does it's [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► just for his stuff because what he's [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► done is also built this platform of like [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► selling so many like t-shirts and coffee [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► cups and ice scrapers and stuff that [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► it's really really fun stuff that people [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► love to get and I think people that [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► makes people love him even more that [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► he's like here you like the comic don't [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► worry about the abs like by the ice [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► scraper it's a really cool ice scraper [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► and that's and that's his thing now is [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► like he's just constantly making comics [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► constantly putting them out but then his [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► whole like revenue thing is about making [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► things and selling them and either [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► something really appealing about that to [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► me at first I love the idea of making a [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► thing that you sell to people like well [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► that's a nap or whatever it is there's [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► something I have to admit a little [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► appealing to me about a physical good [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► even though God that overhead that is [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► just crazy but i don't know i find [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► something like that so inspiring were [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► like to me that's it that's a success [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► story and what the tools let us do in so [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► many ways and how the changing platform [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► hasn't left him behind because well [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► everybody's running around scrambling [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► trying to get more I mean do you ever [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► look at i don't know i read a lot on my [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► iphone and ipad read a lot of news [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► stories will follow a link somewhere and [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► you know used to joke about used to give [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► me a hard time about you know websites [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► where the content is the size of a can [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► of tuna and then it's just surrounded by [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► ads that's how I feel now I can't even [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► scroll down the page because there's [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► just so many ads on the page and the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► irony is of course they could give a [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► flying Fig about any of those [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► advertisers they treat them all equally [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► poorly but there's something I don't [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► know I I find that really appealing [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► somebody who's been able to and he's [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► certainly not alone in that but the idea [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► of like making a little thing every day [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► putting it out and being able to do that [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► on your own not being behold in to a [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► given one source of income for what you [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► do I find that really inspiring and I [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► think it's a good example though not [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► everybody can do it but not everybody's [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► trying to do it and that's something [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► we're like he's found a way using those [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► tools the changes in the platform the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► changes in the environment around what's [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► possible [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► I mean that would not have been [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► inconceivable to do it conceivable you [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► couldn't make money off it [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► you couldn't have made those kinds of [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► goods that quickly and sold them 10 or [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► 15 years ago thats all gotten so much [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► easier we've talked about doing t-shirts [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► on demand teach we should totally do by [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► the way but I don't know I i like [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► looking at examples where that did turn [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► out well and he's constantly stressed [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► out because not stressed out but I mean [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► it's a lot of pressure to have to do [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► that everyday [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► no I don't have the pressure that I feel [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► that I'm not making stuffed his pressure [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► is that he has a thing that he makes [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► every day and then people love it and I [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► don't know something like I'm really [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► appealing about that i'm not about to [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► say that these tools don't make us [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► progressed anymore because they [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► certainly can and they can guilt us but [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► I think we need to look at people who [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► are finding a way to like have a [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► creative voice and a way to make dough [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► in a way that would be inconceivable a [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► few years ago and I think that's going [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► to change has to change even more and [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► more quickly like in the next five years [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► you know I mean well I do but but I feel [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► like and Anna and I admire your friend [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► too and and and aspire to that kind of [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► program channel envious special envious [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► though man and there and there are there [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► are innumerable examples in among our [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► friends where it's like oh I aspire to [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► to have a workflow like that person and [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► to make good stuff like that person does [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► but but i do feel like this but I feel [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► like zooming out from an economic [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► perspective or from from a larger [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► cultural perspective all right [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► look on economics it's right that really [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► what that is is returning to an almost [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► medieval economy where each person is [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► sort of carving little appleheads [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► carving you know carving little shrunken [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► appleheads and selling them up at the at [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► the fair where each we each have a [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► little booth where we are producing our [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► small little product arrowheads [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► matchbooks souvenir spoons souvenir [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► spoons and we're going out to to the to [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► the ren faire and each of us kind of you [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► know trying at even successfully making [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► a living with our little where's and [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► it's it's very different from from a [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► system whereby we are [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► I mean that for instance that is not how [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► you would build an interstate highway [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► system nor is it how you would build a [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► skyscraper or even work a farm you know [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► it is it's it's very siloed it's very [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► much not thinking of not thinking of the [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► system as a thing that we are actively [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► changing but it's just like okay this is [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► the system and hear how do i find a way [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► within it to make you know to make my [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► booth unique enough that people come [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► here and buy you know because ultimately [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► like ultimately t-shirt sales like we [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► all have all the t-shirts we need and so [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► any new t-shirt is just a tshirt up it [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► there any new t-shirt is an except as an [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► excessive t-shirt right i mean like if [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► every one of us is making a living [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► selling t-shirts it is at a certain [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► point we're going to run out of clean [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► ones I wasn't implying everyone should [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► do it all right but I mean but that but [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► this is that this is the thing about [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► this is the thing we've all experienced [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► in bands for the last ten years which is [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► like are we really in t-shirt sales is [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► that what we are that was the suggestion [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► 10 years ago or would you rather be in [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► ad sales [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► well no you wouldn't but you'd rather be [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► in music sales where you are you know [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► where you're selling your music [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► and people told us in 2005 that that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► wasn't what we could expect that anymore [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► because music should be free and if you [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► if you were really good people would [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► keep by your t-shirt and that that's [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► what you should you know that that's [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► where you should go [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► and-and-and-and all power to the all [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► power to the music is free people but I [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► but you know what I'm saying like no [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► it's not it's at that's not directed at [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► any one person and it isn't directed at [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► you and me trying to sell rock on the [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► line t-shirts because I would be [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► thrilled to do it now let's solve [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► themselves where they thought you know [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► what I mean like running on the line [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► t-shirts there's already bootleg rocker [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► milan t-shirts and I want to discourage [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► anyone that's listening to the show from [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► ever bootlegging because we're our team [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► of lawyers is going to come after you [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► like I can barracudas coming down the [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► tapers but uh you know what home t-shirt [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► making is killing podcasts but yeah but [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► but from the perspective of like well [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► what are we doing as humans where are we [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► headed what is that what is like what is [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► a our plan [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► I don't feel like the atomization of of [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► making is necessarily of step forward it [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► and maybe it is that's the thing maybe [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► maybe 10 years from now we will look [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► back and be like oh it was only through [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► the atomization of making and that that [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► the and the democratization of of [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► manufacturing I guess that we were able [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► to arrive at this next place which was [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► actually an advancement of of thinking [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► you know like an a brand new way of [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► imagining us as humans but building [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► something new / but at least for now [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► right now it just feels like okay [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► everybody's got a garage sale now like [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► we have gone we have lost our industrial [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► base we have lost a degree of collective [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► cooperative making of things [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► and now we just have 1,000,000 garage [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► sales and and we are being encouraged at [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► random and Apple or the the internet are [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► our internet overlords are encouraging [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► us to everyone of us have an etsy store [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► but that isn't like really progress [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► we're back to selling our knitting which [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► was thing that we've been doing for a [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► long long time and the fact that it's [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► not that we have a website to do it is [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► it doesn't change the fact that it's but [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► it's just knitting so yeah I mean I you [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► know that but I want a part of the thing [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► like with whether it's with gm's or GM [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► or highways or whatever it is that [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► there's not the money at an [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► institutional level that there used to [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► be two those kinds of things but I mean [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► there's so much money now more than ever [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► before all over [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► yeah i mean i-i think about like oh I [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► want to publish a book right [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► I definitely do not want to die if you [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► don't want to die unpublished I don't [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► want to die from this life without [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► having published at least one book and [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► hopefully more than one but looking at [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► my shelf of books then I'm you know that [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► I'm sitting here like lovingly like [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► calling with my eyes if i were to [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► publish a book now [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► um it it it wouldn't be like those books [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► right i think i think just as just as [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► started happening in music where people [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► are like what are you actually going to [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► make a CD or you're just going to put it [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► up online like when that became a [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► question when that became a valid [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► question [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► not not a question that you would just [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► ask abandoned thought they were going to [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► sell 500 CDs but a band that you would [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► or a question you would ask like an [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► established artists are you really going [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► to manufacture cds or you just gonna [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► just going to release it on iTunes put [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► it up online [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► it was like oh wow it's that happened so [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► fast that music went from you know that [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► that then it and then an album was [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► something that you owned and and even [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► clean took care of yeah right you know [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► cleaned and and took out and looked out [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► of the tized that it just became like [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► ours you just gonna you're just going to [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► hook it into the sea with everything [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► else and and and your music is going to [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► be valued accordingly you know you're [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► out of your new album comes out and a [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► certain small segment of people put it [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► on repeat or put it on their iPads and [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► listen to it at the gym but a lot of [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► people will you no will download one [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► song off of it listen to a once and then [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► they'll and then it's not that they [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► don't like it they downloaded they [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► listen to it they're left how people [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► consume music anymore and it just goes [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► into the things so now if you're if [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► you're like I have a new book I think [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► we're very very close to a time when the [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► question is well are you actually I mean [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► you know how expensive it is to actually [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► publish it as a book you know isn't it [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► just a kindle file and and so it isn't a [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► book you know like let's stop kidding it [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► let's stop kidding ourselves that we [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► have that bans are making albums anymore [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► they're not and let's stop kidding [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► ourselves that people are writing books [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► anymore they're not i was on an airplane [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► with them with our good friend John [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► Hodgman the other day and he was like [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► listen we're gonna go meet george RR [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► martin and you have never you've never [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► read a word of his writing and you are [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► an embarrassment to me [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► and I was like well I mean I've been [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► meaning to and he handed me his phone [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► and it was a game with he had game of [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► thrones on his phone and I was like whoa [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► you you actually read it and he was like [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► i have read it you don't do that you [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► know my books away on my phone [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► well phone iPad Mac yeah okay do not [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► know I still buy them in book form and [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► so but i'm sitting on an airplane and [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► I'm and I start to read game of thrones [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► on Hodgins phone and it [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► on Hodgins phone and it [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► it's a it's a nice like the interface is [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► nice that the it's definitely different [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► it's different but I mean but it's nice [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► because the type of the type is is big [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► it's easy to read [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► maybe maybe he gave the easy-to-read [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► version or you know the grandpa font but [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► you know you you read and then you flip [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► to the next page and each each screen is [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► much shorter than a page of typewritten [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► book writing is like a paragraph and a [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► little a paragraph in a little but that [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► but i found very quickly that that was [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► kind of an enjoyable way to read because [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► you you kind of get you have a thought [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► and then you flip to the next page and [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► you have another thought [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► and so pretty soon i'm sitting on this [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► airplane and i'm not talking to him i'm [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► reading I'm reading game of thrones on [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► his phone and by the time the plane [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► landed i had read a couple of chapters [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► and and I really enjoyed it enjoyed the [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► ease of reading it on my phone or his [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► phone and I was like okay right like I [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► can't be opposed to that because that [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► was nice that was that was pretty great [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► and it's dumb to be opposed to something [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► that is happening that's already [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► happening and its really like [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► value-neutral right it's just it's just [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► easy and it's and it's no different [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► the reading part i guess is no different [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► but when I think about like I wrote a [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► book and i am happy to publish it and [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► the fact that it's not probably going to [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► be a book an actual book or that if it [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► is it if it is an actual book it's like [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► it's like releasing records on vinyl now [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► hardcover book without a slip slip case [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► like a with that the cover on it [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► yeah that is it is stacked in a pyramid [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► in the window of a bookstore right that [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► people go in excitedly to buy it in that [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► form and carry it around in there in [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► their bag [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► and read it on park benches or whatever [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► you know that that that makes it that [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► makes me feel that makes me feel sad [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► which i think is just nostalgia or it's [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► just it's just like oh that makes me [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► feel sad well too bad but but but it [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► changes the nature of changes my feeling [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► about it in a and like a in a kind of a [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► primary way and I think it changes like [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► it [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► it shatters what it is it isn't a book [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► right [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► it's a like it is it a mean game of [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► thrones obviously was published first is [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► a book now I'm reading it on a phone but [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► if that was published today like it's a [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► novel but what is it a blog even you [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► know what I mean like yeah I think I do [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► I mean you know I've always been really [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► interested in I had a lot of friends in [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► college in particular I mean like [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► everybody I knew I kind of horrid books [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► I wanted books i want to have books [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► around I could totally round boxes from [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► place to place [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► I think it's I think it's someone [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► important one way it is i think it is [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► pretty different maybe from music and [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► maybe even comics I don't know is i [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► think there are people who like books [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► and there are people who like reading [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► and as it happens the Venn diagram for [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► that is pretty tight that the most [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► people who like reading like books and [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► most people like books like reading but [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► I mean there are I i do i have to say i [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► have a lot of friends that did say [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► they're reading more than they ever have [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► in years because they can get on a plane [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► with all of those books on it I that [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► they would never in a million years [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► truck around a candidate to flip that [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► around you know I can't say for how many [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► years I would go to books-a-million in [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► the nineties and you know pick up five [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► books and kind of glanced through the [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► first chapter of three of them maybe [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► read one of them maybe read the fifth [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► one year later like I've always really [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► loved books but you know having that at [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► at hand i don't know i mean it's it's [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► it's a different it's a different kind [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► of thing but I take your point but do [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► you feel [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► I mean I guess I guess it's the it's the [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► it's the in a way the democratization of [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► the platform right like [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► there was a there used to be a huge [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► difference between putting on a vinyl [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► record and listening to your friends [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► demo on his cassette recorder and you [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► you would you listen to your friends [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► demo on a cassette recorder need to be [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► like oh yeah yeah sounds good man your [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► band sounds great and then you would go [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► put on your vinyl record that was you [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► know that just by the format alone you [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► knew was something special and now you [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► put on your headphones he sit in front [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► of your computer and you listen to your [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► friends demo and you listen to a [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► major-label release and you can hear the [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► difference but in some cases the major [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► label releases intentionally loaf I and [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► your friends demo has been dressed up [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► with a lot of expensive sounding [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► plug-ins and it's just as over [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► compressed as top 40 that you hear on [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► the radio [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► yeah and it's like you know in a way yes [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► the the quality of the of the good stuff [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► should always win out and you should be [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► able with your eyes closed to tell the [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► difference between something really [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► wonderful and something that is just [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► made to approximate something wonderful [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► but the demo we describe the demo is [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► more like a sketch in some ways where [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► everybody knew that it wasn't the [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► finished product it was meant to be [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► something to give you the gist right [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► well and and and ultimately like for [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► that for that because the for that [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► cassette demo to make it all the way to [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► a vinyl record required as you were [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► describing so many intermediary steps [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► where it had to get where somebody had [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► to say like yes this is good enough to [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► make it to the next level and that and [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► what I remember the feeling of having a [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► cassette demo of my band and feeling [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► like there's no way we will ever make an [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► actual album we're just not good enough [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► but here we have this cassette and you [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► know like i can play it for people in a [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► party but now reading a novel on your [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► phone [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► and then using that same device to read [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► a YouTube comic comments section or [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► using your same device to read a you [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► know [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► buzzfeed ultimately you're interacting [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► with the device the same way and the [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► words look the same team and so it's a [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► very different experience of you know of [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► reading of reading everything fit [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► through the same window and I have to [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► imagine that like your brain like the [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► work of saying like oh this is thomas [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► pynchon this is good and now i'm on a [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► comment section and this is bad or this [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► is garbage right and um you will we're [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► not we're not we're not taking the [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► intermediary steps of like okay I'm you [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► know I'm not listening to talk radio [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► anymore now I'm putting the radio off [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► i'm going over I'm taking the I'm taking [TS]