Ep. 115: "Rerememory"
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hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going
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oh it's going really well it's pretty
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it's pretty early i slept a very very
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very long time last night and i feel
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like i could sleep another very long
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time I feel like like the Merlin that
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used to sleep a long time was an earlier
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version of Merlin it was Merlin one
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point out and lately all i think of is
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Merlin just never getting enough sleep
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but you you're telling me that that
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Merlin two point O sometimes sleeps 4 11
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hour so Merlin 2014 has started to find
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a lot of value and sleep i will tell you
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that in this is super interesting i'm
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sure people but like I realize like how
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many of my afflictions i could write
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down to the fact that I just wasn't
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sleeping very well so i can I try to
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make myself sleep well now and I'm and
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it is definitely helped my old man
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quotient and all the things where like
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people wonder why I'm such a homebody
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and never go anywhere like but I have to
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go to bed 11 if i do that my dad I mean
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you know my mom sort of famously only
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sleeps okay yeah I guess she she gets a
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full night's sleep but she wakes up at
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four in the morning my dad would stay up
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all night and wake up in the morning
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just fine and you know like it get by on
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for five hours of sleep and i remember
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when i was young hearing that older
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people didn't need as much sleep who i
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do not know if i am finding that to be
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personally true it means you're still
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young of myself diet that's exactly
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right absolutely on i still need 12
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hours of sleep like a four-year-old I
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yeah I don't know what the other
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successes me and all kinds of things is
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like I think that my amount of enjoyment
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of life in general and many things in
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specific i have to admit comes from
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something related to how much control I
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have over the environment like I think
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one reason i didn't like jobs a lot in
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the past because I didn't have that much
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control over the environment you had to
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be in with the overhead lights and
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people and stuff like that and I wonder
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if part of it is like when you have more
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control over your environment when you
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get older you know I mean like the
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people can't leave you alone you sit
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around and watch stories you clean the
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cat box you go to sleep hit him well
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suits you and then again
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but for the morning planet I to go to
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DMV they needed yeah and I maybe that
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all those like old people need less
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sleep stories are failing to take into
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account the three-and-a-half hour nap
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they take sitting up in their chair
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watching walkerr texas ranger you know
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like that that's that counts down time I
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think well yeah I mean it's yes I
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totally agree and but it'sit's weird
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like you know old people also they do
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stuff like the poop less and I think
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that frustrates them we with old ppl
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poopless I think they do i think i would
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inside do you have into getting old but
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I don't have i've known three old people
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at least personally who you know as well
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as you can know an old person they
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become very opaque at a certain age
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right when you want to talk about
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memories truth but they also talk to you
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about their poop
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well I i will just say that for my
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grandmother's generation I think I've
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said this before my grandmother i think
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is somewhat emblematic of our generation
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she's a post Kellogg American and she
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really thought and she would be so
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embarrassed my leg I'm so embarrassed
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and talk about a poop on the radio no
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more brand the better
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yeah but you know I think you're
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expected to make every morning you know
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what's interesting he didn't leave the
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house you would like you know be going
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out without your spots or something like
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I've told you the story about the priest
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that cornered me and a in the fish bar
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in Sandpoint Idaho happy how many bm's I
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had a it's that is opening line
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pretty much yes next to where it's
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Johnny they learn they learn what really
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we're at the fish bar which is a
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bar-shaped like a fish right you walk in
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the mouth of the giant fish I'm sure
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I've told the story right we're drinking
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red beer which is a which is a North
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Idaho tradition a half bear half tomato
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oh god and he he leaned over
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I mean we've been chatting but uh but he
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was like but you know let me just break
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it let me ask you how many bm's do you
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have a day
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I was like oh boy I don't know 10
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sometimes none for a couple of days
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sometimes a whole bunch all at once he's
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like he's like no no that's that's not
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healthy you need AB you need to have two
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or three good solid healthy bm's a day
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this man this man is is sitting here
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he's sitting there he's drinking tomato
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juice and beer like an animal and
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telling you that you should have three
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good BM zayday what he said is that
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possible
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well he was a priest he's got like
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special knowledge is not allowed to lie
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so I so from then you know he's having
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this conversation with me when I'm 19 I
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guess yeah
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so from that time to the present i have
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always in the back of my head had a
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little sort of tally sheet and I I'm if
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if 3pm zayday is the standard of good
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I'm like probably 8200 bm's down like I
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have so much catching up to do and I'm
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not looking forward to it you know i'm
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not looking forward to getting take that
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accounting square that sounds like
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bragging John that sounds like bragging
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to me to me the problem is if you're
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having three BMC they aren't good BM
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something went wrong
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he's saying that they were nice and you
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need to have good ones and I'm not sure
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whether you have to be eating in a in a
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cafeteria of a sort of a seminary who to
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get the to the right balance of like
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jello salad and and chicken cutlets or
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whatever it is that they're you know
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like green green beans let me ask john
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without i have sometimes I think back at
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that the experiences I had a young man
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and marvel at them and pay what the hell
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was what the hell was happening and also
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how how do i remember i mean there are
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people around me who can't remember
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like what somebody said to them on the
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phone you're so good that is you're so
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good at that i do not know why these
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things sticking my head but you know I
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every one of them is like a small
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component of the DNA of my of my mantra
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when I wake up in the morning it's like
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three beams today something every day
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you're already in the whole everyday 3pm
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today who and you know remember the
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Battle of Midway and also that will
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stroll that-that-that-that time that I
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use that word wrong in 1981 that guy
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with the tattoos on his hands that I
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insulted when i was working at steves
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Broadway is still mad at me i'm sure
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you're there like you are like you're
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like a mythical greek beast you know
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it's kind of like almost like a
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Cassandra thing you know you you're
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condemned to never be able to forget
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never forget
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that's right this is what scares me
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about my stupid kid is like I've got now
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so into the thing of going like my kid
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is just I don't know if she's just not
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receiving information if that
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information is being poorly encoded on
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her hard drive but we have a big problem
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with things like so
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and understanding the role of socks and
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being able to leave the house this get
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ready for this kit is the role of socks
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you need them
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yeah because then you gotta put shoes on
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before you leave that's 25 minutes right
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there so I I've gotten into this
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terrible habit of thinking that my
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daughter doesn't hear anything and then
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she'll just blow my gourd off by
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remembering something deeply deeply
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specific from when she was two or three
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so you know okay so here's one thing
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about memory that I think is super
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interesting like I I know if you ask
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most people what their earliest memories
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are well first of all there's all this
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stuff that they know because their
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family told them that over and over but
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most people's memories I think start
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their memories as adults start around
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age 5 so I just assume that something
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happens and they just hit reset but I
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stuff i've read recently indicates that
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it actually it just starts a racing a
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little bit around five or six x 10
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you're really you know you're getting a
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lot of stuff that scares me i don't know
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what kind of bullshit i said one time
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that she's going to use to guide her
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life regarding rpms every morning and
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it's some offhanded thing I said I mean
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blue what he was saying maybe bm's were
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like this mouse right like a Sacramento
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something like how many beasts me laws
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do you say add a piecemeal ah oh IC
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have a really bad memory shrug and and
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normally I feel like that is a it's
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either a self-fulfilling prophecy or
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it's a or it's a cop-out you know like
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oh you have a bad memory so let's get
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out and get a jail free card for
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distance but at but you know it within
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this within the the spectrum of human
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talents
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it's obvious right about having a bad
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could be an could be an affliction and
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you wouldn't know you wouldn't even know
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you had it on unless you were I mean the
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only way you would know is by comparing
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other people were there like you
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remember that time when we
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blankety-blank and you're like Jesus I
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memory and but that that could be a
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descriptor for a whole lot of things
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that we're going on you know it's the
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old like is is the orange that I see the
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same orange that you see we both called
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orange right but like how do you how do
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you gauge you know how do you gauge
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perception except by by this like
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ungainly process of trying to describe
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your experience and see if it's if it
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squares with other people right so the
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these friends that are like yeah I have
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a really bad memory and and you know and
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I go way of a bad memory for like stuff
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that's happened recently you also have a
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bad memory for stuff that happened to a
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long time ago or is it just that you're
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not turning experiences into metaphors
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you know is it is it memory or is it is
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part of the process of men of
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remembering things like like changing
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your changing memories into into
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metaphors or stories or or changing them
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into other forms that are easier to to
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hold onto and process and not kind of a
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kind of like unintentional heuristic
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where it sits your brains equivalent of
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like writing it down in the big book
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right back
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yeah right like like 25 other thing
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has happened that night in the fish bar
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in sandpoint idaho and honestly I could
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not tell you I could not tell you who i
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was there with or why I was there or any
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of the other sort of lead up to why I
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was at the fish bar in sandpoint idaho
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and and where I was headed afterwards
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like so so this priest said this to me i
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found it remarkable i found it a
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remarkable conversation at the time and
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I mean it's not like when you it's not
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like when he brought this up by I real
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back it was like whoa I've gotta
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remember this right but you know I was
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engaged in the conversation was like
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tell me more about how many poops I
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should be having like this I'm up I'm I
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feel like a grown-up and you are
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definitely grown up this is not a
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conversation I've had before with it
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with a fellow grown-up and so now I'm
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really engaged but then I took away and
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you know i was also drunk but I took but
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I took it away from there and put it in
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the big book of my memory because
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because of because I converted it
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somehow into a into a story that that
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was a that was a bigger story and it you
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know it was more meaningful and so
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within the fog of this like I remember
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the fish bar I definitely know what
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where that is i could probably find it
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even but I don't know who I was there
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with but then out of the fog
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I can picture this priest I know exactly
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what he looked like I know right where
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you're at the bar where we were standing
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and I remember the five minutes that we
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SAT and talked about poop
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and and so why did I convert that of all
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the things that happened that night you
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know why was that a thing that turned
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into in a way like a marble-like it
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became hard like a marble and went into
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my bag of marbles and you'll find
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yourself wondering you're disputing that
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it didn't happen or it happened
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differently than you remember
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it's it's pretty well it's a the same
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doctor who fixed point I'm like it you
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know that this is the thing that
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happened this is your marble well yeah
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because unlike unlike childhood memories
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where you know you've looked through the
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photo album sitting on your mom's lap
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she's told you about the picture you're
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looking at that affects your memory of
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it and pretty soon you're like I totally
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remember the time I stuck a knife into a
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light socket like well do you or have
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you looked at that photo album so many
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times and you know but but this memory
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of this priest I had no second there was
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no other confirmation of it is almost
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like you could see it like a movie right
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you can see it but that scene playing
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yeah and and the way the way I
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understand memory works is you recall
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that clip you play it for yourself
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Yuri remember it and then you store it
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away so with each rira memory I have
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surely altered it but but I'm not you
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know I'm not it's such a simple story
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right I'm not saying like the priest
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rode in on a on a like a custom lowrider
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bicycle and like there's no there's no
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detail to it it's just this moment and
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then and within that it's a very private
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recollection of me standing next to this
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guy and and I think part of what part of
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why it was so so why I took it away was
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that it was one of those early adult
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interactions where I'm 19 the drinking
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age in idaho at the time was still 19 so
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i could I was legally in this bar and
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legally standing there with one foot on
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the brass rail
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drinking an abomination really have
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tomato juice half beer disgusting but it
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was you know it was the flavor of this
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ere this area and the fish bar is back
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in the woods and that was during that
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during that era of white supremacy in
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northern Idaho so hayden lake and the be
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a white nationalists were very active in
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that area at the time and it so there
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was all this like all this adulthood
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I was feeling in that moment like this
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is what adults do they state they go to
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bars and they drink like terrible
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potions and I'm talking to a priest like
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a real priest not it is not a junior
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priest he's not he's not a minister
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he's a priest like he's a priest who
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goes all the way back to st. Peter and
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this is what he wants to talk about and
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so here so I'm a math test of a grown-up
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conversation
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yeah right like I guess this is I mean
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at the time I had no way of knowing like
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maybe this is what all my adult
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conversations are going to be like I'm
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going to be drinking beer mixed with
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something in a bar shaped like an animal
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it doesn't know the animal we don't know
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yet if we do all we know is it will be
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some kind of a spiritual clergy person
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we don't know what it could be done
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right it could be in a pig bar somewhere
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to be grabbing can find a big-block the
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great lords day something big bar
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there's a sense that outside the doors
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of the bar there like very quickly like
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right across the parking lot and that
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it's a dirt parking lot right so even
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the parking lot feels little wild but
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right across the parking lot you're in
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the you're in the wilderness of northern
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Idaho and you are surrounded by clansmen
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or worse skinheads and and what do you
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talk about what is there to talk about
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like if he had said how many times do
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you come a day I could have been like
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this is what were this is what we're
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talking about i guess i'm new here
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exactly like 19 19 years old and ready
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to you know I could go to Vietnam right
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now if it was 20 years ago but a lot
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easier now
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but but instead i'm learning about what
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it is to be a man here if you can learn
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how to be a man it might as well be from
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a priest and a fish bar in Idaho
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so why the fuck would that turn into a
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marble and go in my bag
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ok so I'm going to decide this is
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another one of those i won't say it's an
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old person thing i'll say a funny thing
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about young people here there's a thread
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here when you're young you don't think
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about your poop when you're young you
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don't think about your memories you
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don't have any reason to because
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everything is running as far as you know
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running like a top so I mean even like
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psychology classes i would hear about
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things like how memories actually work
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which seemed completely foreign because
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my memories were great i know exactly
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what are you here think about things
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like cognitive biases and go home oh
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that's very interesting for people who
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aren't as smart as me and now like today
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I kits one thing to like realize you
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don't remember things you don't remember
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things is another thing to remember you
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don't remember them as well as you
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thought but i'll tell you what fucks me
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up hard is when I think it's exactly
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what you're saying which is that tape
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that old VHS tape of that memory every
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time you play it degrades a little bit
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yeah every time you tell that story it
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gets further even if it's not a tall
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it's still kind of make exaggerated
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might get slightly but each time you're
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hearing that as well as saying it and
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that's I think hurting some of the
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fidelity of the original memory if it
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was ever there at all because it gets me
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is like when I find out I remember
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something wrong when I have something
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that I consider like a hard little
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marble and then I've been telling this
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story for years and somebody goes that's
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not how that went and I feel I'm so
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chasing is to tell this one of my go-to
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stories and interviews for a long time
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we've seen how to get into max let's say
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this the same story over and over which
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is that I had dated this wonderful woman
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when i started my freshman year she had
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a magnavox word processor i wrote all my
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papers on it and when she broke up with
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me I had to learn to you know type on
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something else and i ended up going to
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the maclab and every little bit of that
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is true i think except for one important
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detail i went to lunch with her one day
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after she had heard this anecdote and
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she said you know you broke up with me
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up and all i need to do was hear her say
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those words and I went oh my god you're
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right i broke up with you it's a
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different story
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I guess it's not the crucial to the
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story but how much else did I get wrong
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god that's a real tentpole of the story
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what an asshole I I had a wonderful love
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wonderful girlfriend from New England
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with a magnavox and broke up with her
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oh you jerk I felt like such a dick and
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it's exactly the kind of just saying
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exactly the kind of thing now that makes
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me doubt myself because I am one of
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those people who says i don't remember
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things i thought i remembered that but
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like I wonder how much other stuff I
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just get like dead wrong
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remember the context wrong or I didn't
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take a step back and think about all the
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facts and evidence
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well I feel like when I when I learn
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that a story that I've told a lot of
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many times has a factual error it's
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usually exactly the thing we're talking
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about which is that I say you know the
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second time I went to see The Grateful
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Dead I met up with my bro in his focus
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wagon bug and we smoked pot the whole
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way over from Spokane and Santana was
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the opener and that was the night that I
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got thrown out of the the tacoma dome
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because I had a bottle of peach schnapps
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and a guy found me in through the app
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that's a good story
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it's an amazing story and you're like
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it's just peach schnapps give me a break
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it said he said he said to the guy take
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away the shots that let me stay right
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yeah i think this story is a good story
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yeah except that the peach schnapps
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Torre was actually ZZ Top at the tacoma
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dome and everything else was a was true
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about the second time I saw the Grateful
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Dead and the the conflation of the two
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things and and what what ends up being
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like like what would what ends up being
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just sort of the window dressing on the
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story because i feel like the reason the
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peach schnapps story or the or the fish
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bar story like the reason that that that
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turns into a marble and you walk away
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with it is that I've been trying to fit
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that marble into the right slot
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for the for the intervening 25 years
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right I pull that marble out sometimes
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and I go
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is this where this story belongs did I
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learned that because it applies here and
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I and I push it into a to contemporary
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context like the peach schnapps story at
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ZZ top fits here and I and I try it out
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and that that because i'm looking for a
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place where that is a metaphor for this
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I'm trying to I'm trying to interpret a
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new experience and I know I've been
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carrying around this bag of marbles for
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a reason and I go is that I I reach in
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and I'm like does this story finally
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makes sense in the context of this new
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information who and in most cases you
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know you've tried to fit in there and
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you're like huh
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kinda but every once in a while you get
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one of those where you just stick the
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thing in there and it just locks and
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you're like holy shit
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the story is completed like there's a
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lot of incentive for you to crack that
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Marvel in half and make sure it's what
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you thought it was right so so but but
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the question of like was it the was a
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grateful better ZZ top like that that
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stuff is this is the Shocker where it's
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like I've been telling the story wrong
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the whole time not awful but but
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ultimately that doesn't matter unless
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you're trying to I mean that isn't that
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the reason you you made that into a
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story to carry with you unless you're
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sitting around in a group of people in
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and everybody's telling Grateful Dead
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stories and I think usually that's where
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it comes out you start to tell you're
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grateful that story like holy shit when
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i get better the Grateful Dead story
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yeah it's better as a grateful that
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story but the thing is I don't think you
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get kicked out of a grateful dead
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concert for having peach schnapps don't
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think you get kicked out from making
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peach peach now haha I feel like they're
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the security guards at the tacoma dome
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at a Grateful Dead and Santana show have
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bigger fish to fry
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yeah whereas at the ZZ Top show for
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whatever reason come on they're just
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they're looking for southern comfort and
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they found peach schnapps in this
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instance and like good enough you're out
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on the street
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oh also mad still
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does the terrible feeling you know I
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don't change topic but i heard a song
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and I really liked it was it the Grange
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now I heard a song and I felt this
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little twinge on the back of my neck and
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I thought my first of all I mean thought
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was this song is really really good
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have you heard it before or her naked
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body might have her I knew I thought it
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was pretty sure I'd heard it before but
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I was fighting myself because there was
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a very strong feeling I was getting that
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it was almost certainly a grateful dead
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song and I started feeling really bad
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about it cuz my marble does not fit in
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that slot huh
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and I took out my phone and I hit the
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shazam Oh box of rain from american
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beauty see what a nice song over my what
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what an excellent album i heard that and
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I was like god dammit this fucks with my
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marble set because you know I sit and
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listen to that and thinking like this
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could be something that REM put out in
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1986 you or you know or 4586 like it's
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really really great and it's not
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extraneous and it's not full of bullshit
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is let's kick with the Grateful Dead
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it's very manicured and well edited and
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i just made me angry but it's a really
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good song
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american beauty is full of really
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excellent songwriter and at that moment
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in history like they were
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contemporaneous with the band and crosby
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Stills and Nash and all part of the same
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school as those guys and they were all
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like collaborating on records with one
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another i mean they were they were they
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that was a that was there pop record and
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it it's a fantastic album and yeah he's
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a really good pedal steel player right I
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definitely plan to teach your children
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well and stuff like that who Jerry yeah
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place the pedal steel as i'm thinking of
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right yeah I'm pretty sure i'll check it
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I didn't know yeah I think he's a pretty
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accomplished guy and there was some kind
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of thing with the recording of that
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album and maybe the one before it were
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something happened he ended up having to
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play more pedal steel and I think he's
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pretty good at it
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what wouldn't surprise me I mean they're
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all really good
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they're all really really good musicians
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because this fish except maybe Bob Weir
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put out but no I mean that the that the
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Grateful Dead hate uh it's
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understandable you know what
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yeah yeah like there's a lot of out of
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tune singing and there's a lot of I mean
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there are a lot of those live recordings
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there so they're so messed up on drugs
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that it that it's just like no it's not
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good but uh well I've got four years i
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have filed that I used to be kind of you
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know because you know going to hippie
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school you end up hearing some Grateful
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Dead but you hear about the Grateful
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Dead a lot and it's another one of those
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things where you're like it's like
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people who are into tool you're just
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like oh I don't and I couldn't even name
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a tool song but like the people who are
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really into to lure the people who are
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too scared to quote Sloan who you love
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the people who are really into
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consolidated you just like god you're so
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annoying
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yeah and now I think that's what it was
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and then as I grew as a person John i
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found it more under my more grown-up
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thing from probably about maybe Merlin
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revision 12 was like this is just not
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yeah and that was a perfectly fine
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marble in a very sensible grown-ups lot
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but now i don't know i might have to go
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back I might have to check my memories I
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feel like the the key the key elements
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to be conscious of it in the Grateful
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Dead or that that they really pioneered
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the loud clean guitar tone who um which
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as Davis on pointed out the other day
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you here again in the Cure write the
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check the clean-out loud guitar that's
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not trying to be attending retrospect
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unprocessed because we are processed
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right listen to something like an echo
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and the bunnymen or something like you
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know there will be a lot of you know
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shaping of the sound right but that
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you're right that's a really good points
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in has a great guitar tone it's great
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and and he's you know he's using like
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the chorusing effects that we started to
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hear later on clean guitar
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you know Jerry Garcia was doing all this
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like in and out of phase stuff with it
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you know he had one of those guitars
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that had 11 different switches on earth
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and its all all the switches are like
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this pickups in phase now this pickups
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out of phase and and it creates a kind
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of chorusing or you know like filtering
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effect on the tone but really always
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very clean tone so there's that and then
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for me the other thing is phil lesh the
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bass player never plays the same no
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twice his bass lines are these like
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weaving bobbing up and down like courses
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of notes that if you just kind of zoom
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in on them their miraculous for because
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they're there you know whatever phil
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however feel less here's the patterns of
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music it's like it's a dimension closer
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to jazz or for you no further from the
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surface of the earth and then where I
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live and so hit the bass lines are like
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really all over the place and kind of
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extraordinary musical just musical
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pieces on their own and then you know of
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course every every once in a while babe
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they would write a killer to ever so you
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know I'm gonna get I'm gonna give
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another chance that this thing is very
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appealing to me because somebody who I i
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guess i have a feeling that a lot of
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bass players started guitar players and
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you can kind of tell who those people
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don't you think you're saying like
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somebody who takes the base for what it
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needs to be I mean like John Entwistle
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he might have started on guitar who
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knows but man he plays that like nobody
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else he plays the bass in a way that
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only a base could be played
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whereas I'm more like Lou Barlow like
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like I'm out there going you know Gigi
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dcccd but did you know that I mean by
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the difference
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yeah well good thing about Entwistle is
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he he he looks so calm and implacable
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but in his bass playing there's all this
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like ferociousness fire and fury just
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pure pure
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fury and Phil lashes again like another
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step out onto the grass from where
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there's not a lot of fury in phillips
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but it's not it's not just dumb called
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noodling either he is you know he is
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chasing a unicorn across a lake and and
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I don't know what I don't know what it
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at the time you know I really don't with
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whistle I know what I feel like I know
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what it means
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because it connects with me so deeply
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you soo min if you listen to the WHO and
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you just zoom in on the base like you
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will just have a tremendous experience
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at that that for me is like very
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emotional and very like I yes and with
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with and i think phil lesh you know that
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what we think of as like the noodling of
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jam bands the in comprehensible noodling
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of jam bands me a little up with a lot
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of that kind of jazz infections like if
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you don't get that stuff right it's it's
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a pretty rough road but with interest
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leaving when he does something like can
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express this like a little pentatonic
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Phil like a little doodoo kind of like
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little thing sounds of buildings falling
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down like the simplest little like this
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is the end of this part of the verse
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that he'll head is just like then I'm
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really embarrassed to say this but just
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three days ago I was watching are not
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watching I'm sorry i was listening to
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soloed delhi-based parts on youtube you
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do not want to set me on the path of
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isolated tracks on youtube a bit much i
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have done it I've got quite a bit the
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problem is that what I want to start
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going down there I'm just like stop it
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stop it stop it get out get out you just
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listen to three-and-a-half long minute
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you just listen to YYZ still with the
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bass solo when you listen to the kid
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that's that's indefensible
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yeah you are making a marble that you
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are not going to find a slot for your
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not going to fit this in anywhere
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this is not useful but it's but it's
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thrilling you know I dive but when the
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reasoning the reason i got me there was
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i was listening to soloed helmet drum
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tracks that was the bells my entry point
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understand how to write that down that's
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something if you've ever loses that you
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can't see them recently I saw helmet
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within within a couple of years whatever
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their last ya back together and you know
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it was phenomenal but listening to the
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drum tracks of helmet soloed you know
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like the first thing that you notice is
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while that snare is really tuned up like
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it as a tight snare and a ringing tight
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ringing snare but then use the zoom
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because because the thing is for most of
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the tune it's just kick and snare he's
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not you know it's like nabil used to say
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when we would do sound check and he
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would you know they think i would have
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him hit the Tom 15 times for entering
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soundcheck and then people would say
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well lets you know that like four times
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more times than I hit the time in my
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entire set but like I just stated 15
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times i hit four times during our set
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but uh but listening to the kick and
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snare of of these helmet from you know
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isolated tracks the kick drum is just so
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dead-on so relentless and so like you
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don't think of that you don't think of
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that music is having any swing because
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it doesn't but the put the pocket of it
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is just extraordinary
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so fuck i will listen to soloed
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musicians forever in a day and it's just
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not just not a lot it's not how the I I
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really feel like I've reached some kind
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of a nadir of both music dorkiness and
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we're just really every kind of darkness
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when I'm sitting there and like my one
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of my go-to news is dave grohl on queens
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of the stone ages and no one knows
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uh-huh you know the song out do I that's
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a hell did you do to this fills are from
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another planet but then so you're
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sitting there you turn it on and there's
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a lot quiet for a while and it's just
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don't jump together and it's better the
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vast apart i remember i like for phils
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but because there's no there's no
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guitars right so all year there's four
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films and I'm looking for but to get
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there I listen to like three minutes of
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some really good don't cha
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well yeah basically my Sharona ah right
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at all and all and I'm like that man
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oh and as a monster it's depressing
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it's depressing but you know this is a
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nice way to spend an evening i mean it's
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it's better than listening to noam
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chomsky lectures I guess I don't know
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oh you said a mouthful thanks for
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listening isolated in a ski we just here
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it's just isolated noam chomsky mouth
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sounds and breath sounds
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we could all the word i just kept in the
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smacking noises that queens of the stone
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age record i have to say is like still a
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real it's still a real influence on me
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and I admit it I can't square that with
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any of the music that I make no yeah but
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but the sound the tone the feel of it
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the the attitude of it it doesn't fit
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part of it is like I'm always really
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into music not always into i find myself
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when I think about the music that I like
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it sometimes it's it stands across two
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or three Chandra's you can very easily
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put that into a couple different genres
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yeah but still it's it really is its own
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thing and but its its its aggressive
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without being like angrily stupid if
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there's something there's always a
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little bit of restraint to it not a
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menace and considered it identity and
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that's all go with the flow
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who's it had it had such a impact on me
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and you know go with the flow is
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obviously like surfer philosophy and
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stone and you know that they are like
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famously a stoner band so but but
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there's also like something ironic in
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the delivery of go with the flow like
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her or with the background of the music
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it feels like a pretty aggressive take
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on that on that like goat the flow
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philosophy
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yeah but in trying to try to take that
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song apart and see what it's made of
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I realized that like like a lot of great
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songs there's nothing to it you know
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it's two quarts basically it's it's that
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the impact of the tune is 100-percent
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production and attitude right there's
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nothing complicated about it there's
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nothing it's just it's just sound and I
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guess that's the thing as a songwriter
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that I've always like I always aspired
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as a songwriter to write songs that were
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not dependent on sound that the song
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itself was elegantly built that's a
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pretty classic is a classic all but
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that's kind of the classic idea of a
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great songs you could play it just on a
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piano you can play it on guitar by
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yourself right right and he doesn't need
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strings to be on like bittersweet
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symphony like that i'm not sure how well
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that will come across on the ukulele
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yeah it wouldn't write but but solitary
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man can be covered by x 700 different
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artists and the and the greatness of the
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song shines through
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yeah I don't think another band could
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cover go with the flow and make any dent
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in it or you know that or any
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improvement
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it's always just going to be about the
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album version is always going to be the
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best because it's a it's a it's like a
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sound creation and in it in a way that's
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different from like the cure which all
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those records are sonic creations
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yeah but like you could cover a cure
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song and do it do it
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cool interpretation of it and make it
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into something different but you
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couldn't cover my bloody valentine
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exactly
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and so I exactly what I was just
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thinking we're Queens of the Stone Age
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go you know how they managed to be in
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that my bloody valentine category
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although the songs have hooks and
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they're there pop but it's really like
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it's a it's a cake of sound and you take
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any one element and try and zoom in on
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it and say like this is the guitar part
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it's like it's two chords it's just two
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cords through a distortion boxes nothing
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nothing so that so as I as I evolve as I
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progress like my interest in the last
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five years has been about trying to make
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these sonic tapestries but i don't but
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that isn't my tradition and that's not
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what I know best
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so in a way that's why I'm so why have
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been so unproductive like I want to make
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a record that sounds like loveless and
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have for years but instead he yeah right
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haha ah isn't that the story about like
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how he like nearly bankrupted Creation
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Records with the the creation of that
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record that said that supposedly the
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story anyway
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yeah and and in a way I feel like the
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recording of it actually was the actual
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like stuff that happened in the
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recording was pretty simple it's just
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like loud guitar mic in front of the am
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but when I hear stories about how
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Lovelace was recorded where he he
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created like a tent out of blankets and
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would poke his head out and you know say
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to the engineer like just keep recording
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don't ever talk to me through the
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talkback mic and then he would you know
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going under the black or whatever and
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look under there for four hours and the
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the engineers just like you know in half
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of that time it's just the sound of him
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doing um would be great i don't remember
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the guys name would be great to be me
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like incredibly stressed out label owner
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and you got to just kind of stick your
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head in to see how the historical
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there's a blanket any difficulty he's
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been doing every 90 this is it
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sorry man he's just under there and I
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feel like the lira by my understanding
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of the record
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Lovelace was that though that the vocals
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were recorded maybe extemporaneously a
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lot of the time and they just would go
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under the blankets and like make mouth
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sounds and keep the tape rolling and
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they made mouth sounds until those mouth
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sounds turned into word sounds and then
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they did it until they had a until they
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had to take food and it's not like I
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don't know I've never seen tell you all
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my cocktail twins parodies but I i feel
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like you know I actually have a fourth
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long winters record that is all that has
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vocals on 13 songs that are all mouth
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sounds brand Devonshire get us in
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trouble a mi know ya level is pretty
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sure my father had to do it on the
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sweater ice cream sundae kg always
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that I'm gonna die in a plane crash good
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at something
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somebody's gonna be like let's go on his
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computer and find all the unreleased
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long yeah I know like like they have a
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cop son like the estate this is the cash
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in it just takes all that was always
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looks like John was almost done with
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this exhibitor should I don't even know
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hanging chung Tang or like even worse
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hand those things off to my friends like
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hey would you guys like to finish this
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song the job was working on
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oh ok let my soul Mike Squires revenge
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yeah exactly handed off to to like a a
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cross-section of the American Romans god
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what a nightmare John would think that
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all of the disgruntled ex long winters
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people together to report that are more
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every every singer in the country that
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has some like vague grudge but it was
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never fully articulated that's gonna
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take some work
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oh yeah let's say I decided to get
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microsoft itself let's uh let's solo the
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vocals on this track see what he was
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really going for it
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what I don't not going to add anything
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to that vocal tract I think it's perfect
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as it is I saw colin Meloy in a bauble
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yeah let's leave that well yeah that
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video was directed by alicia roze who is
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a suspect funny video friend and she was
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the original sort of stylist and
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photographer of the decemberists
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everything all those photographs that
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you see of them you know like holding
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red flags on top of a castle mount
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looking like diluted minors on a break
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yeah I don't little a big part of that
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big part of that look that to find them
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early on was that all the pictures were
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taken by Alicia
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so she's a Portland she's Portland ridge
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yeah and apparently she has like naked
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hot tub parties to is that right i keep
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getting invited down to like hey if you
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need a place to crash
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like I don't know really terrible for
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you to misunderstand that invitation
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you know like that can really then again
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this could be a memory thing with you
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maybe you heard that wrong forgive my
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saying but like what you know what if
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you got that a little bit wrong and just
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showed up with the wrong stuff
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well back in the old days i was i was
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looking through some photographs the
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other day and i see i found all these
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pictures of me in the very early
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nineties in my when I was in my modern
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primitive culture i was still I'm still
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pretty much like I am now but for
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whatever reason i have found myself in a
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modern primitive circle for for a large
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portion of my of my social like calendar
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and that involved a lot of mud and
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nakedness and industrial music and the
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early days of tattoos in in places other
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than on your forearms and of of a
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graphic elements other than anchors
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and I was always you know a little bit
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outside because I'm always a little bit
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outside of every culture i participate
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in but this group of people really
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didn't brace me and I embraced them for
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a period of a few years we were all very
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close and and covered with mud and part
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of that was that we you know like it you
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could not put intoxicating substances in
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us fast enough but there are a couple of
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i have a couple of photographs of me
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like sitting next to a fire pit with the
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with a like a dreadlocked girl sitting
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in my lap and like a a bald guy with the
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long goatee and like pan boots is
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playing up playing the flute and dancing
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around of a goat carcass like and I look
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at how peaceful years goat and just like
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what the what the fuck was I up to
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I was a long time ago but then i guess i
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guess at the time I was trying to trying
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to figure out what what was next in the
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world there that that seemed that was
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that was the logical extension of what
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hippie values would lead to I guess
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right i mean that seemed like next-gen
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it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't
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friendly anymore it was it was trending
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dark again who and and I felt like I
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felt like I needed to I need to be there
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boots-on-the-ground figure out what that
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figure out what this was all about and
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it's yeah well or like like remember
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logger boots however every I mean lose I
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think back now and I'm like you know
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what logger boots are really expensive i
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didn't have logger boots at the time I
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just had some old boots but like there
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were a lot of people in logger like
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really nice logger boots
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there's always a real high up lots of
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yeah right with all the extra light pole
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climbers with you and I never I didn't
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have any money then so I never will I
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didn't even go to the store to look at
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how much those things cost i just got
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Martin seeming out of my range that's
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how old I am
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they were they were a hundred bucks
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right and I mean you could buy back then
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you could get a pair of chuck taylors
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for fifteen dollars so I so I remember
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what you know kind of waltzing around
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through that culture and definitely
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feeling like everybody's got amazing
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boots and I think the boots that i had
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they passed muster because they were
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just thrashed um they were just old but
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they weren't tall and I think back I
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think now I'm like even then those boots
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were probably two hundred dollars two
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hundred dollars at a time when I was
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making two hundred dollars a month just
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a minivan days I don't you well know i
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was making zero dark zero point zero
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dollars a month then but like even when
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I had a job right i mean i-i all the
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worst thing I was going through a box of
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papers not very long ago and i found up
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uncashed paychecks
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Oh No 1994 for little heart drunk a
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hundred and fifty dollars that was so
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much money it was incredible $350 he did
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it for a reason is oversight fucking
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idea how how that well this is the thing
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how would that have ended up in a
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bombing I definitely have a lot of boxes
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of papers
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I you know I have a stack inside the
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inside the front door
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I have a stack of cigar boxes that now
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are that's that's probably a 5-foot tall
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stack of cigar boxes and there's a cigar
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box for airplane tickets
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there's a cigar box for concert tickets
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there's a cigar box for unused drink
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tickets because everywhere i go i get
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paid and drink tickets and I don't drink
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so i should be able to play your meat
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rather than have those out to people and
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say like hey everybody i got ten drink
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tickets why don't you go get yourself an
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extra drink instead I greedily keep them
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and I go home and I put you know I
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probably have $50,000 it just lets get
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you mentally calculating what you were
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actually i have i have a separate cigar
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box for like sports game tickets a cigar
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box for old IDs a cigar box for other
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people's ideas that i find you know like
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looking up and down the stack of cigar
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boxes there are a lot of different uh oh
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well I to cigar boxes i have a cigar box
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for backstage passes that are stickers
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and then a separate cigar box for
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backstage passes that our laminate do
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you smoke that much i will also get
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another one is just for cigar box so
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yeah I collect cigar boxes so I'm always
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out looking for specific boxes but so
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somehow in one of these cigar boxes i
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have an uncashed pay stub from the from
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1994 and I'm like I knew enough I knew
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enough somehow to put this in a box but
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not enough to cash it i can't imagine
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it's one of those like a canary a
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butterfly in China situation if i had
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cash that hundred and fifty-five have
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interest on that would be well I don't
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think it's I don't think I think it's an
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email on the compound interest John not
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it's a thing but what I'm saying is if I
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had cashed it then if i had an extra
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hundred and fifty dollars that month in
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1984 would i be where I am today o.o you
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might be way down in the hole right or
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with the decisions I made based on
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having that extra hundred fifty dollars
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set me on a separate phone you probably
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would not have put it into a retirement
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no but I might have bought a who knows
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and i'm a bottom an ice cream cake I
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might have a single auger bit I might
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have bought yeah put a down payment on a
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pair of logger boots I mean you know
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what the I got fired one time and I was
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sitting in a cafe the next day like kind
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of bemoaning having been fired and my
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good friend Chris camellia who you know
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came in sat down he was like you know so
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you got fired and I was like yep
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and he said how much money do you have
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in the bank and i said well i have
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actually been saving for the last year i
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got 800 bucks in the bank and he was
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like what are you gonna do with the 800
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bucks and i said i don't know probably
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drink for a couple of months he was like
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you're going to take that a hundred
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bucks and you're just gonna you're just
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going to sit around not work and just
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just drink and I was like can you think
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of something better like yes I'm really
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looking forward to this summer we really
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opens up your schedule and he said let's
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go right now and buy you a guitar and I
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was like what it was like for 800 bucks
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you can get a killer guitar and you are
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always talking about wanting to play
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music you're always talking about
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wanting to start a band
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you don't even have a fucking electric
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guitar I was like well yeah you're right
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things like let's go let's get on the
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bus go to the guitar store buy a guitar
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and it was such a revolutionary idea I
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was like okay and we walked out of the
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cafe got on the bus went to the guitar
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store and I had never had this
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I what I had never perceived myself as
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having this opportunity before and I
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went down to the trading musician in the
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university district and I walked in and
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that blonde rickenbacker what was
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sitting on a stand inside the door and I
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was like well I can't afford a record
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bakr and the price tag said it was from
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1967 and it was 650 dollars and it had
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Gibson pickups it and I was like look at
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that and I picked it up and I played it
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and Chris was like people create the AFS
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they were p is but they were like
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sixties like the late sixties Gibson Wow
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pickups that somebody had taken out the
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filter Tron's that came with
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Rickenbacker's and put these Gibson
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you know like sixties Gibson's in there
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and I was like I must have seemed like
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so much money it was extraordinary was
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my entire was almost my entire savings
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and I was like look at this thing and he
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was like you can buy it right now and i
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was i put it down and I walked around
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the store and I spent a couple hours
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looking at every other guitar and I kept
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coming back to this rickenbacker he was
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like and Chris was standing there just
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like that's the one you want buy it this
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is what people do with money they buy
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the thing that they want with it I was
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like but but but but but it's so much
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money and this money I could live on
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this money I could I could I could drink
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a thousand paps blue ribbons with this
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month and he was like or you could buy
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this guitar and i bought it i took it up
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to the counter and i said i will buy
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this guitar and it was the first real i
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think in a way the first real thing i
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ever bought
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well and that guitar was the guitar that
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i started the button family players with
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and the guitar that i started the
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Western State hurricanes with and the
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guitar i started the long winters with
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and you remember that rickenbacker of
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course ideally still got it still have
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it and so that was like know all that
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because the chris community who would
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have thought it was chris community
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saying like do you know what money does
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are you aware of what other people do
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with money like you know how money works
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in the world and I was like I know how
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money works you put it in a shoe box or
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a cigar box and you stack it until you
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have a lot of it and then you look at it
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and then you'd then you drink your way
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through it and he said you know I mean
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the reason the reason it's hard for
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other people to save money is that they
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buy the things that they want which
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obviously like it you don't have that
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problem but every once in awhile you
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actually should buy a thing they want
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I you know this guitar was like the it
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was the thing that made it all possible
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yeah yeah yeahs 67 rickenbacker with
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Gibson pickups they are you pretty sure
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you remember that correctly
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yeah well what we should do is get Chris
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cannula on here see if he can if he
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validates that story I mean I I think
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Chris Wood Wood pretty shortly
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try and steer the story toward the time
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that I broke into his apartment and put
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a knife in his chest and told him I was
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gonna fucking it is like that clip
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