Roderick on the Line

Ep. 114: "The Gentleman's B Party"


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00:00:23   hello I job hi Merlin has gone pretty [TS]

00:00:30   good good morning for pretty good yeah [TS]

00:00:33   it's pretty early it's a yeah I was up [TS]

00:00:36   in the I was up in the high desert for a [TS]

00:00:38   few days and I came back down here to [TS]

00:00:42   the low swamps for coastal swamps and [TS]

00:00:46   last night I woke up and I woke myself [TS]

00:00:50   up sneezing and melon I sneeze so hard I [TS]

00:00:54   pulled a muscle in my chest that I [TS]

00:00:56   welcome to the 40 [TS]

00:00:58   haha i was but you know for the past [TS]

00:01:01   week my nose has been as dry as the [TS]

00:01:04   Sonora Desert and now the reason we [TS]

00:01:08   don't work on crab boats so how about [TS]

00:01:13   other than that I feel amazing [TS]

00:01:15   yeah I i think i got more allergies as [TS]

00:01:18   I've gotten older I got more sensitivity [TS]

00:01:20   to those kinds of things and like I used [TS]

00:01:22   to have a friend who had really bad [TS]

00:01:24   allergies and should always be moved the [TS]

00:01:26   moan when it was that like a nice day [TS]

00:01:28   because of the high pressure and wreak [TS]

00:01:30   havoc and i would think that's insane [TS]

00:01:32   you're obviously a crazy person is that [TS]

00:01:34   such things being allergic to grass and [TS]

00:01:36   high pressure system what's wrong with [TS]

00:01:37   you and now is the weather gets nice and [TS]

00:01:40   wake up in the morning and i pulled [TS]

00:01:41   muscles [TS]

00:01:42   yeah yeah now pull the muscles in my [TS]

00:01:44   chest and bustle i'm not even sure I [TS]

00:01:46   remembered I had kind of rapture house [TS]

00:01:49   amazing could have pulled it but you [TS]

00:01:51   know I think there are many small [TS]

00:01:53   muscles in the body that we don't think [TS]

00:01:54   about i think i first learned about this [TS]

00:01:56   roller skating you know in like I was a [TS]

00:01:59   kid and in your roller skate when you [TS]

00:02:01   don't normally rollerskate and you [TS]

00:02:03   discover that there are so many tiny [TS]

00:02:04   muscles the little muscles in the area [TS]

00:02:07   near your ball area you know what I mean [TS]

00:02:09   even your groin muscles you're right [TS]

00:02:12   that's right that's right that's the [TS]

00:02:13   technical term [TS]

00:02:15   Yeah Yeah right well you you learn that [TS]

00:02:18   right by trying to trying to shoot the [TS]

00:02:20   moon or or walk the dog or whatever it [TS]

00:02:22   is that you do on a roller skate [TS]

00:02:24   I think this might be yoyo tricks [TS]

00:02:26   that's what you want the sleeper drinks [TS]

00:02:30   can hurt you in the groin alaria to I i [TS]

00:02:34   have not been rollerskating I [TS]

00:02:36   rollerskating just came up in [TS]

00:02:37   conversation I got a lot of trouble [TS]

00:02:40   seeing you rollerskating well you know [TS]

00:02:42   of course in our era when I was in sixth [TS]

00:02:45   grade I don't think there was a cool [TS]

00:02:47   thing to go do than go to the roller [TS]

00:02:49   rink now in doubt that was the first I [TS]

00:02:51   guess you know what it was that was the [TS]

00:02:53   first my first experience with clubbing [TS]

00:02:55   write that for a sixth grader that is [TS]

00:02:58   going to the club and all the cool kids [TS]

00:03:01   are there and some of the kids are there [TS]

00:03:03   like unchaperoned kids skating around [TS]

00:03:07   they know how to do the skating things [TS]

00:03:09   and the girls are there it was Congress [TS]

00:03:12   that the Congress skating rink on [TS]

00:03:13   Congress Street was absolutely the the [TS]

00:03:16   center of it was it was like going to [TS]

00:03:18   the disco in Saturday Night Fever it was [TS]

00:03:21   the thing everybody talked about all [TS]

00:03:22   week and then I like I i went there like [TS]

00:03:25   twice and I felt completely out of my [TS]

00:03:27   depth [TS]

00:03:28   I just play quick the whole time well [TS]

00:03:30   well and quick look listen no slight [TS]

00:03:32   against quite a hell of a cake but you [TS]

00:03:35   know i think i think i had an advantage [TS]

00:03:37   this is one of the weird things about [TS]

00:03:38   being both younger than your your [TS]

00:03:42   extensible peers and also less mature [TS]

00:03:44   than them at that age where girls were [TS]

00:03:48   starting to you know really be [TS]

00:03:49   interested in boys [TS]

00:03:51   I remember girls getting interested in [TS]

00:03:52   boys a long time before boys seem to [TS]

00:03:55   reciprocate that interest but again that [TS]

00:03:57   might have been my maturity but you know [TS]

00:03:59   there were definitely kids there that [TS]

00:04:01   were making out and engaging in boy-girl [TS]

00:04:04   activities but i was so immature that my [TS]

00:04:10   response to it was just to like skate [TS]

00:04:14   right up to two kids who are clearly [TS]

00:04:16   like about to neck you know stay right [TS]

00:04:19   up to him ago you know like I was it was [TS]

00:04:25   such a door you're on the skating rink [TS]

00:04:27   spectrum [TS]

00:04:28   well I'm not yet travel like [TS]

00:04:29   understanding the emotions of those [TS]

00:04:30   other people i did not understand and I [TS]

00:04:33   and I didn't I also did not understand [TS]

00:04:35   like that there was a new kind of hate [TS]

00:04:38   that someone could feel for [TS]

00:04:40   person which was the I was just about to [TS]

00:04:42   kiss that person and you skated up to me [TS]

00:04:45   and said this army [TS]

00:04:48   wow you know like i was i was so I was [TS]

00:04:54   such an anything with these were these [TS]

00:04:55   were my peers and friends in school we [TS]

00:04:58   were the same class and same grade but I [TS]

00:05:02   was fully two years late maturity wise [TS]

00:05:06   and so just I was oblivious i was still [TS]

00:05:10   a little kid and we're listening to [TS]

00:05:13   blondie and things were happening people [TS]

00:05:16   were feeling feelings and I was not I [TS]

00:05:20   was not feeling feelings i was feeling [TS]

00:05:22   only the thrill of the speed of the wind [TS]

00:05:26   in my hair and that's it and the pure [TS]

00:05:28   adrenaline panic of not understanding [TS]

00:05:31   what was going on with my friends I [TS]

00:05:33   totally agree [TS]

00:05:34   I've said this a hundred times i keep [TS]

00:05:36   saying it I I feel a little less like [TS]

00:05:38   this now but pretty much for all of my [TS]

00:05:41   life I felt like there was a manual that [TS]

00:05:43   I didn't receive and particularly that [TS]

00:05:45   there was some kind of honor on some [TS]

00:05:47   kind of after school class that [TS]

00:05:48   everybody was getting on how to be a [TS]

00:05:50   person is it every step of the way I [TS]

00:05:51   felt like wow what how do you guys [TS]

00:05:54   understand what this system is how do [TS]

00:05:57   you understand how to navigate in the [TS]

00:05:58   system and I think you know it's fucked [TS]

00:06:00   up system but I think girls did [TS]

00:06:02   understand that there was a system and [TS]

00:06:05   and what they're placing it could be [TS]

00:06:07   better than a lot of guys and earlier [TS]

00:06:09   but back then it was completely [TS]

00:06:11   inscrutable to me it was it was a very [TS]

00:06:13   lonely experience a feeling I don't even [TS]

00:06:16   know there's no library book that i [TS]

00:06:17   could get that would help me explain how [TS]

00:06:19   to not just even like finally want to [TS]

00:06:21   kiss me like to even like fit in at the [TS]

00:06:24   most basic I was invisible I felt [TS]

00:06:25   invisible to place like that [TS]

00:06:27   yeah I I think about this a lot because [TS]

00:06:32   that that missing manual i mean in one [TS]

00:06:35   way I remember hearing stories about [TS]

00:06:37   there's a girl in my class who was super [TS]

00:06:40   bright super funny in a way like I felt [TS]

00:06:45   I now i'm talking about seventh grade [TS]

00:06:47   but I felt a kinship with their [TS]

00:06:51   and then the story went around that she [TS]

00:06:53   not only was drinking alcohol but like [TS]

00:06:58   drinking it before school and later on I [TS]

00:07:03   I knew her well when we got to be adults [TS]

00:07:05   and understood that she had a terrible [TS]

00:07:09   family life and was was drinking before [TS]

00:07:14   7th grade she actually was doing it [TS]

00:07:17   yeah oh my god but i can't imagine that [TS]

00:07:20   well and they're the only other thing is [TS]

00:07:22   like this is Allah Alaska and a lot of [TS]

00:07:25   kids were you know a lot of otherwise [TS]

00:07:28   normal kids were huffing paint and [TS]

00:07:32   drinking before school and you know [TS]

00:07:35   going out to their car to do like with [TS]

00:07:40   its just to let you know in between [TS]

00:07:42   class that fits that shop lifted just to [TS]

00:07:45   like blackout the you know the that [TS]

00:07:50   there's a colors of there's a base level [TS]

00:07:52   of trauma happening in Alaska to among [TS]

00:07:55   Alaska youth in the seventies that that [TS]

00:07:58   I I can't imagine is true anywhere [TS]

00:08:01   outside of like West Virginia but but i [TS]

00:08:04   remember hearing very stressful [TS]

00:08:06   well yeah because the adults up there [TS]

00:08:09   were not we're not running the show the [TS]

00:08:12   way that you would you know it was a it [TS]

00:08:14   was a it was a frontier mentality a lot [TS]

00:08:17   of people were up there making a ton of [TS]

00:08:19   money during the oil boom and they were [TS]

00:08:24   irresponsible people to begin with you [TS]

00:08:26   know they were like oil workers so not [TS]

00:08:28   not what you're gonna you know not [TS]

00:08:31   people that have a lot of impulse [TS]

00:08:33   control they're gonna talk about your [TS]

00:08:35   friend who had gone through this is kind [TS]

00:08:36   of a case of [TS]

00:08:37   there's a lock like lightning striking [TS]

00:08:40   and you just suddenly go from being a [TS]

00:08:42   schlub being somebody who has ten times [TS]

00:08:44   more money than you've ever had before [TS]

00:08:46   oh yeah and-and-and the and I think [TS]

00:08:48   you're seeing this happen in edmonton [TS]

00:08:50   canada now yeah and kind of around the [TS]

00:08:52   world what happens in in these in these [TS]

00:08:55   frontier situations is that guy's of [TS]

00:08:59   people who are like very very [TS]

00:09:01   working-class like wrench Turner's and [TS]

00:09:09   you know like Derek workers are suddenly [TS]

00:09:12   elevated just threw cash alone into like [TS]

00:09:17   the cliq firmly upper-middle-class [TS]

00:09:20   resources right like so people are [TS]

00:09:24   coming from Oklahoma they're coming from [TS]

00:09:26   Arkansas they're coming from Louisiana [TS]

00:09:28   and they've been working on the oil [TS]

00:09:30   derricks down there and they come to [TS]

00:09:32   Alaska and their pay is quadrupled and [TS]

00:09:36   they know it's a really mixed blessing [TS]

00:09:38   in the long run [TS]

00:09:38   yeah and they don't have any roots up [TS]

00:09:40   there either and and the nature of the [TS]

00:09:44   country is anything goes right so so you [TS]

00:09:48   get I mean you know a massive influx of [TS]

00:09:50   sex workers a massive influx of drug [TS]

00:09:54   people [TS]

00:09:55   everybody's up there and there's just [TS]

00:09:58   money everywhere and then it that this [TS]

00:10:00   happened over and over and over again in [TS]

00:10:01   Alaska because the the fishing went [TS]

00:10:04   crazy the notes of gold rush mentality [TS]

00:10:06   so a lot of these people had kids and [TS]

00:10:09   they weren't looking out for the kids [TS]

00:10:10   and the the drugs and the sex and the [TS]

00:10:13   violence was all happening all around [TS]

00:10:17   this kind of generation of kids and that [TS]

00:10:19   talk about kids that came of age [TS]

00:10:21   starting in start between 1970 in 1985 [TS]

00:10:26   or something you know it was just a it [TS]

00:10:29   there was so much intensity and the [TS]

00:10:31   adults were so checked out there [TS]

00:10:36   probably working a lot to write well and [TS]

00:10:38   that's the only thing like like two [TS]

00:10:39   weeks on two weeks off [TS]

00:10:40   yeah so so dad is just fully gone and [TS]

00:10:43   then when he comes back he's movies his [TS]

00:10:47   pockets full of cash he's raging [TS]

00:10:50   um and very very nutty life right and I [TS]

00:10:58   didn't want my family was was relatively [TS]

00:11:00   stable by comparison but you know I hear [TS]

00:11:03   this story but oh yeah you know what's [TS]

00:11:05   your what's your buddy's is like coming [TS]

00:11:07   to class drunk and the story goes around [TS]

00:11:10   and it's not there's people are telling [TS]

00:11:13   it like that that's a bit that's reason [TS]

00:11:17   for concern there telling that story [TS]

00:11:18   because that makes her incredibly cool [TS]

00:11:20   like did you know that you know that a [TS]

00:11:24   is like gets drunk before school [TS]

00:11:26   what whoa yeah I know cool right [TS]

00:11:29   and so that kind of information and and [TS]

00:11:35   this happening kind of among my among [TS]

00:11:37   people i know my friends put it in put [TS]

00:11:41   the put the manual so much further out [TS]

00:11:44   of my reach like I've never i don't have [TS]

00:11:47   never had a beer or I mean I guess I had [TS]

00:11:49   but i have never I wasn't intentionally [TS]

00:11:52   getting drunk yet and that's a real [TS]

00:11:56   that's a real line across when you're [TS]

00:11:58   when you're in high school or younger is [TS]

00:12:00   when you consciously go [TS]

00:12:02   I think maybe I'm just puritanical or [TS]

00:12:04   silly or something but it seems like [TS]

00:12:06   there was a real difference between [TS]

00:12:07   people who are like teehee i'm going to [TS]

00:12:09   have a beer and a half and while we [TS]

00:12:11   drive around a car versus people who [TS]

00:12:13   would like plan ahead to have alcohol [TS]

00:12:15   and get drunk on more than like a [TS]

00:12:17   quarterly basis it really felt like a [TS]

00:12:19   big divide i think it was adding two [TS]

00:12:21   huge to find and and the and the only [TS]

00:12:25   reason I think you would be doing that [TS]

00:12:26   is that you are trying to you know [TS]

00:12:30   you're trying to put X's where your eyes [TS]

00:12:32   are ya [TS]

00:12:33   because what whatever else is happening [TS]

00:12:35   is like way worse and so there's a lot [TS]

00:12:38   of that going on and then the the sex [TS]

00:12:40   that that attended that and I i was a [TS]

00:12:44   you know honestly still still worried [TS]

00:12:48   about whether the agents of cobra we're [TS]

00:12:51   going to succeed over in their plot to [TS]

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00:14:19   without them I i am feeling the [TS]

00:14:21   beginning the very very very beginning [TS]

00:14:23   of something I know it's gonna get a [TS]

00:14:24   hundred times more complex but you know [TS]

00:14:26   even even in kindergarten for my kid [TS]

00:14:29   like there were there were there are [TS]

00:14:30   certain kids that I mean there are [TS]

00:14:33   certain kids that are aggressive [TS]

00:14:36   certainly the little boys her age are [TS]

00:14:38   very are very aggressive there are some [TS]

00:14:40   kids who are you have some stuff going [TS]

00:14:43   on and then there are some kids who are [TS]

00:14:44   dicks and it's when you're around so [TS]

00:14:48   many like I have to honestly say and you [TS]

00:14:50   have met you had this to its kind of [TS]

00:14:52   amazing how many of the kids in my [TS]

00:14:54   daughter's kindergarten class we're [TS]

00:14:56   actually really like nice cool kids with [TS]

00:14:59   parents and another pain in the ass or [TS]

00:15:01   whatever but they were like pretty [TS]

00:15:03   normal kids so it really does stick out [TS]

00:15:06   it's a pretty diverse it's a pretty [TS]

00:15:07   diverse class but you know you know in [TS]

00:15:11   most ways but it really does stick out [TS]

00:15:13   when there's somebody who's like always [TS]

00:15:16   getting in trouble [TS]

00:15:17   because of a combination of not just [TS]

00:15:19   impulse control but also lashing out [TS]

00:15:22   where you see a kid it's it's still [TS]

00:15:25   feels weird to see a five or even back [TS]

00:15:28   on her preschools and countersunk these [TS]

00:15:29   three or four year old boys there's one [TS]

00:15:31   little boy that she was friends with it [TS]

00:15:33   was a really sweet kid but like [TS]

00:15:35   everything will be going fine he would [TS]

00:15:37   suddenly become pretty aggressive then [TS]

00:15:40   become violent and then burst into tears [TS]

00:15:42   like one day he hit it with a shovel OH [TS]

00:15:45   and they're really good friends and and [TS]

00:15:48   then he just burst into tears and the [TS]

00:15:50   kids three or four and so I gotta read [TS]

00:15:53   on that personally woman with the end [TS]

00:15:55   and I don't know how to translate but i [TS]

00:15:57   want to say to her well you know that [TS]

00:15:59   kids got some stuff going on probably in [TS]

00:16:02   in and what I want to say to her though [TS]

00:16:03   it's like when you meet people who do [TS]

00:16:05   stuff that seems outrageous or are [TS]

00:16:07   allowed to do stuff where this seems [TS]

00:16:08   outrageous you see the behaving in a way [TS]

00:16:10   that's very outrageous like that may not [TS]

00:16:13   be just because they have cool parents [TS]

00:16:15   that let them do what they want Lana I [TS]

00:16:17   mean what I'm trying to say to her is [TS]

00:16:19   like when you meet a bully almost every [TS]

00:16:21   bully you meet got that way for a reason [TS]

00:16:23   is because somebody bullied them and [TS]

00:16:25   maybe i might be their dad might be [TS]

00:16:27   their brother or their mom but that [TS]

00:16:29   could probably make name I don't want to [TS]

00:16:30   say but that kid may not have the [TS]

00:16:32   happiest home life and school ends up [TS]

00:16:35   being the place i'm not trying to excuse [TS]

00:16:36   this but school maybe the place where [TS]

00:16:38   they're trying to figure out how to [TS]

00:16:40   explain it to a five-year-old though [TS]

00:16:41   like your friend hit you with a shovel [TS]

00:16:43   well I I know his dad's a little hard to [TS]

00:16:45   talk to sometimes uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh [TS]

00:16:47   uh-huh [TS]

00:16:50   does that resonate though while watching [TS]

00:16:52   the little kids interact with each other [TS]

00:16:54   at school and then you know [TS]

00:16:58   extrapolating that to watching the [TS]

00:16:59   adults that I know and then just trying [TS]

00:17:01   to live in the world like it's hard to [TS]

00:17:04   keep those two thoughts in mind which is [TS]

00:17:06   that that everyone in the world is [TS]

00:17:09   simultaneously like less monstrous then [TS]

00:17:13   you want them to be or less monstrous [TS]

00:17:14   than you think like everybody's doing [TS]

00:17:16   the best job they can and everybody has [TS]

00:17:18   a fairly similar tool box and people are [TS]

00:17:22   generally good you know this is the [TS]

00:17:24   something probably more or probably more [TS]

00:17:26   alike or more almost [TS]

00:17:28   like then we would imagine a lot of time [TS]

00:17:30   exactly and it's the it's the it's the [TS]

00:17:32   insight that you get when you're like oh [TS]

00:17:33   I you know I like we've talked about a [TS]

00:17:35   million times like people in the South [TS]

00:17:37   are amazing and we spend a lot of time [TS]

00:17:40   in the North demonizing them and then [TS]

00:17:42   you go down there near like these are [TS]

00:17:43   the most amazing people in the world was [TS]

00:17:45   i talking about and it's true around the [TS]

00:17:47   world everybody is generally great and [TS]

00:17:49   everybody is is like smarter than you [TS]

00:17:52   think and and better at what they're [TS]

00:17:54   doing than you think and then on the [TS]

00:17:55   flip side like how are we how do we [TS]

00:17:59   manage even to have one day of peace in [TS]

00:18:03   the world how do we manage to even it's [TS]

00:18:05   absolutely perplexing he said this a few [TS]

00:18:07   shows ago why it how is it and i really [TS]

00:18:09   am going to this today because don't get [TS]

00:18:11   me started about local public transit [TS]

00:18:13   today [TS]

00:18:13   oh my god but you were saying something [TS]

00:18:15   about like I don't know how people drive [TS]

00:18:17   to a job downtown and don't get a fist [TS]

00:18:19   fight every day [TS]

00:18:20   yeah and I know that's an exaggeration [TS]

00:18:21   but i have to say i'm kind of surprised [TS]

00:18:23   it doesn't happen more often [TS]

00:18:25   I mean the kind of friction that you [TS]

00:18:27   have with other people every day and [TS]

00:18:28   just knowing how many people are really [TS]

00:18:31   on a limb every day and barely keeping [TS]

00:18:33   it together on how many of these kids [TS]

00:18:35   like I you know our our our little [TS]

00:18:37   preschool draws from a fairly affluent [TS]

00:18:41   subset of the sort Capitol Hill [TS]

00:18:44   population and there are a couple of [TS]

00:18:47   kids who have beautiful homes and [TS]

00:18:51   obviously like educated caring parents [TS]

00:18:55   but the but those kids are out of [TS]

00:19:00   control because the parenting choices [TS]

00:19:03   it seems like they're being made are [TS]

00:19:05   mostly like boy I don't know what to do [TS]

00:19:08   I don't know what to do about it so I'm [TS]

00:19:10   just gonna I'm just gonna give him a [TS]

00:19:12   candy bar and set up in front of the [TS]

00:19:14   television and and then after hour from [TS]

00:19:17   now he'll calm down and I guess that's [TS]

00:19:19   what parenting is you know like there's [TS]

00:19:21   a lot of that going on that that it [TS]

00:19:23   feels like yeah overtime that kid will [TS]

00:19:26   become socialized by his peers and by [TS]

00:19:29   the world and by school so that she can [TS]

00:19:32   be [TS]

00:19:33   he can go out into the world and get a [TS]

00:19:35   jobby go to college like all these [TS]

00:19:36   things will happen but at the center [TS]

00:19:39   at the core of this person there is [TS]

00:19:44   there is no relationship to other people [TS]

00:19:48   you know the the core relationship which [TS]

00:19:51   is like my mom and dad didn't let me be [TS]

00:19:57   an animal sort of never happened and and [TS]

00:20:01   and the kid is insulated because that [TS]

00:20:04   they have well and so that he he isn't [TS]

00:20:09   an animal because he's you know because [TS]

00:20:11   he's in this big house and nobody can [TS]

00:20:13   hear him you know he's not bothering [TS]

00:20:14   people and also want to put too fine a [TS]

00:20:16   point on it but also because they may [TS]

00:20:18   have the resources to help back and I'm [TS]

00:20:21   not trying to judge something that I [TS]

00:20:22   struggle with and I'm aware of this is [TS]

00:20:24   that if you have the resources and the [TS]

00:20:26   time and time really means resources [TS]

00:20:28   resources really means money [TS]

00:20:29   it means you you've got a place where [TS]

00:20:32   you can be all the time when you got [TS]

00:20:34   home [TS]

00:20:35   maybe you've got childcare all the time [TS]

00:20:36   and you have a way to perpetually help [TS]

00:20:38   your kid take the edge off and you're [TS]

00:20:40   always there to give them maybe not [TS]

00:20:43   exactly the next drink but you know what [TS]

00:20:44   i mean you're almost there to get [TS]

00:20:46   something I've talked about this a [TS]

00:20:47   couple of places lately because it's [TS]

00:20:48   really been on my mind is and really [TS]

00:20:49   inspired by you in some ways is how to [TS]

00:20:53   help a kid get to where they figure out [TS]

00:20:55   that the it's not a good idea to expect [TS]

00:20:57   other people to assume that other people [TS]

00:21:00   made you feel bad or to expect that [TS]

00:21:02   other people are going to be there to [TS]

00:21:03   make you feel good whether that's [TS]

00:21:04   through TV or whatever not I just cause [TS]

00:21:06   I do struggle with that but but you're [TS]

00:21:08   right and the thing is as long as those [TS]

00:21:09   resources are there and there's a TV [TS]

00:21:11   there and there's another bag of [TS]

00:21:13   Eminem's there everything will be fine [TS]

00:21:14   right and and and so this kid grows you [TS]

00:21:17   know I see I'm seeing it more and more [TS]

00:21:19   and this is kind of what we when we see [TS]

00:21:22   these terrible videos or when people [TS]

00:21:24   reveal themselves on the internet to be [TS]

00:21:26   you know gross kind of frat boys like [TS]

00:21:31   that that expose that just went around [TS]

00:21:33   about all the all the CEOs of those [TS]

00:21:36   startups in their twenties who it turns [TS]

00:21:38   out alright racist frat boys or whatever [TS]

00:21:41   it's like yeah that that's that's [TS]

00:21:44   happening that's happening a lot of [TS]

00:21:46   places you know and and the resources [TS]

00:21:48   allow the person to grow up with a good [TS]

00:21:50   vocabulary of a good education [TS]

00:21:53   a good you know they had a they have a [TS]

00:21:57   lot of friends and they have a they have [TS]

00:21:59   the ability to have a cool car and you [TS]

00:22:02   know they're popular and successful they [TS]

00:22:04   succeed but like at that at the heart of [TS]

00:22:08   their of their experience there's [TS]

00:22:11   something crucial mission they were [TS]

00:22:13   never they weren't domesticated they [TS]

00:22:16   were just like when you get tired when [TS]

00:22:18   you get tired in this giant room full of [TS]

00:22:20   toys [TS]

00:22:21   why don't you go into your other giant [TS]

00:22:22   room full of toys or why don't you [TS]

00:22:24   scroll through a thousand videos you [TS]

00:22:26   could watch or why don't you you know [TS]

00:22:28   you know and it's just like you're [TS]

00:22:29   saying take another hit off of the crack [TS]

00:22:31   pipe and then literally something's [TS]

00:22:34   wrong with you let's go to the doctor [TS]

00:22:35   and get some medicine that's gonna you [TS]

00:22:37   know that's gonna like what why do you [TS]

00:22:39   have trouble sitting still [TS]

00:22:41   we're expected to not do the thing you [TS]

00:22:43   immediately want to do 45 minutes yeah [TS]

00:22:45   right we got you must have a you must [TS]

00:22:47   have a disorder let's put ability right [TS]

00:22:49   and and you and then you see other kids [TS]

00:22:52   at the school whose parents are you know [TS]

00:22:54   what you would call I guess I mean that [TS]

00:22:56   they don't seem they don't seem strict [TS]

00:22:58   to me maybe when I was a kid I watched [TS]

00:23:00   other people's parents and was like wow [TS]

00:23:02   that's a strict parent but there are [TS]

00:23:04   parents at at that go to the coop [TS]

00:23:06   preschool that I'm that my daughter goes [TS]

00:23:09   to who are just like watching their kid [TS]

00:23:11   and when the kid gets another kid with [TS]

00:23:14   the shovel the parent is on them like a [TS]

00:23:17   you know like instantly and not angry [TS]

00:23:21   but like the parent is there a parent is [TS]

00:23:23   saying I see you this is not good you [TS]

00:23:26   are done or whatever you know and that [TS]

00:23:28   kid is at the center of their existence [TS]

00:23:30   is something right there is some feeling [TS]

00:23:35   like that like somebody that loves them [TS]

00:23:37   is watching them i guess for for better [TS]

00:23:41   for worse so anyway yeah while I look [TS]

00:23:44   around I mean I just I just did a bunch [TS]

00:23:45   of traveling last week and everywhere [TS]

00:23:48   you go like there are there are people [TS]

00:23:52   everywhere and they're all making it [TS]

00:23:54   their all making it work somehow [TS]

00:23:56   and in the in this fitness fractal way [TS]

00:23:59   of like every single person is paying [TS]

00:24:00   their water bill this month every single [TS]

00:24:04   person is [TS]

00:24:05   you know manages to like put gas in [TS]

00:24:09   their car but yesterday i was on an [TS]

00:24:14   airplane and I kept hearing this [TS]

00:24:16   so this clacking sound and I looked [TS]

00:24:18   across the island there was a woman [TS]

00:24:19   cutting her fingernails God on an [TS]

00:24:24   airplane at fans toenails and central [TS]

00:24:29   heating is a popular event on the s3 car [TS]

00:24:32   out here [TS]

00:24:33   sure I'm sure thanks click click and I'm [TS]

00:24:36   sure she would have been clipping her [TS]

00:24:38   toenails if if she didn't feel like [TS]

00:24:40   there was some line you know he's not [TS]

00:24:43   much stick not a monitor but she is she [TS]

00:24:46   does have some part of something missing [TS]

00:24:50   in her and it isn't just I don't think [TS]

00:24:53   that no one ever told her you know she's [TS]

00:24:57   a she's a woman in her forties or [TS]

00:24:58   fifties and it's just it's just it's [TS]

00:25:02   it's all those people that reply to me [TS]

00:25:04   when I say don't wear sweatpants on an [TS]

00:25:05   airplane or whatever they're like [TS]

00:25:06   they're comfortable right yeah it's [TS]

00:25:08   comfortable for her to cover the she [TS]

00:25:09   needs to get this done it's comfortable [TS]

00:25:11   for her but but somehow like all all of [TS]

00:25:17   the as we as we loosen certain [TS]

00:25:21   restrictions in order to have new [TS]

00:25:23   exciting freedoms um we we we draw the [TS]

00:25:27   curtain back on a lot of on a lot of [TS]

00:25:30   people who who were only being held in [TS]

00:25:35   the in the pack by by the rules you know [TS]

00:25:39   so I i don't know i'm i'm continually [TS]

00:25:43   astonished that we manage as people and [TS]

00:25:46   I feel like that alone is I feel like [TS]

00:25:48   that alone is that is all the proof I [TS]

00:25:51   need or whatever you know like all the [TS]

00:25:53   faith that I need in my life is that it [TS]

00:25:57   continues to happen it's a I guess it's [TS]

00:26:00   a I guess it's realpolitik a feeling [TS]

00:26:04   that [TS]

00:26:04   yeah it will we're managing and if use [TS]

00:26:08   if you zoom in or zoom out too far [TS]

00:26:11   it all looks insane so the solution is [TS]

00:26:14   don't do that [TS]

00:26:16   dr. it hurts when I do this well don't [TS]

00:26:18   do that man and that's a weird that's a [TS]

00:26:22   weird place for somebody like me to to [TS]

00:26:24   arrive like because i want to zoom in i [TS]

00:26:28   want to zoom out i want to know I want [TS]

00:26:30   to find the place where hurts and poke [TS]

00:26:32   it poke it poke it but but like big big [TS]

00:26:37   identity way big identity land [TS]

00:26:40   yeah I just feel like we're doing it [TS]

00:26:43   quit making it and then since it's [TS]

00:26:45   really an improbable it you know the [TS]

00:26:48   other thing is it like I'm not to make [TS]

00:26:49   this all about the kids stuff but you [TS]

00:26:51   know it's there there's so much stuff [TS]

00:26:53   that is pretty boring i guess but like [TS]

00:26:55   you know that every kid has it an innate [TS]

00:26:58   is slightly flawed sense of justice [TS]

00:26:59   about and in the middle sure the most [TS]

00:27:02   basically i think the one kind of [TS]

00:27:04   straight up way that comes out is if if [TS]

00:27:07   there are five kids at a party and only [TS]

00:27:10   for those kids got a slice of cake [TS]

00:27:12   well I would have to agree unless [TS]

00:27:14   there's some circumstances I understand [TS]

00:27:15   somebody screwed up and that actually is [TS]

00:27:17   kind of not fair right if it's a party [TS]

00:27:19   where everybody gets cake that would be [TS]

00:27:21   a nice thing but you know even stuff [TS]

00:27:23   like it becomes really difficult to try [TS]

00:27:25   and say only for example our kids school [TS]

00:27:28   there's real super mixed signals about [TS]

00:27:30   stuff like whether it's okay to have [TS]

00:27:31   sugar they're like we got all these [TS]

00:27:32   lectures about how you can never have [TS]

00:27:34   sugar school nothing with sugar in it [TS]

00:27:35   but even the even the teachers bring [TS]

00:27:37   cookies sometimes I think it's fine [TS]

00:27:38   personally but you know but the thing is [TS]

00:27:41   that's that's what the problem becomes [TS]

00:27:42   in that becomes a mixed message that is [TS]

00:27:44   much more it's much more is about a lot [TS]

00:27:47   more than sugar and because of little [TS]

00:27:49   kid consistently see something that's at [TS]

00:27:52   odds with what we said it would be [TS]

00:27:54   that's the original confusion is is if [TS]

00:27:57   it doesn't square in that way and to me [TS]

00:27:59   that's good to go straight back to [TS]

00:28:00   Congress skating rink where man I my mom [TS]

00:28:02   worked so hard and tried so hard to give [TS]

00:28:04   me what she could to keep me from not [TS]

00:28:06   becoming a reprobate but of course I [TS]

00:28:08   envied the boys whose parents didn't [TS]

00:28:11   like the Nelson months kids you know [TS]

00:28:13   what I mean whose parents didn't care [TS]

00:28:14   where they were i envied them so much I [TS]

00:28:17   thought they were so cool and and the [TS]

00:28:19   girls who in some cases had some pretty [TS]

00:28:21   clouded judgment about how to be [TS]

00:28:23   spending their time [TS]

00:28:24   huh the I just I I that world [TS]

00:28:27   I mean it just it seemed magical to me [TS]

00:28:30   like that I how do you get into that [TS]

00:28:32   group and now i'm just i'm so glad that [TS]

00:28:35   i was well you have that be the one when [TS]

00:28:39   feathered hair was introduced to the [TS]

00:28:42   world I could not make my hair feather [TS]

00:28:44   right now [TS]

00:28:46   one word there seems to be this line [TS]

00:28:48   where there were these people with [TS]

00:28:49   effortlessly feathered hair yes and they [TS]

00:28:54   and effortlessly feathering hair and [TS]

00:28:57   like cool getting drunk before school [TS]

00:28:59   seemed to be like those Venn diagrams [TS]

00:29:01   overlapped a lot and right up until [TS]

00:29:05   feathering hair became became like [TS]

00:29:08   universal and everyone had a giant comb [TS]

00:29:11   sticking out of your back pocket another [TS]

00:29:13   white pants either way gene it's uh huh [TS]

00:29:15   i was my mom was still cutting my hair [TS]

00:29:18   with a ruler and I just like a straight [TS]

00:29:25   edge ruler and pretty much anything you [TS]

00:29:28   put your head is slightly red not really [TS]

00:29:31   and cutting my hair with a little [TS]

00:29:37   carpenter that blames his tools for [TS]

00:29:40   measuring tape or whatever and and then [TS]

00:29:43   you know what she would go to sears and [TS]

00:29:45   she would buy me outfits that matched [TS]

00:29:47   rightly off-brand garanimals yeah like a [TS]

00:29:51   like a like a like well this is a blue [TS]

00:29:53   and orange lure v neck sweatshirt top [TS]

00:29:56   and so we should have some blue and [TS]

00:29:59   orange striped pants this is how this is [TS]

00:30:04   an orange and yellow striped baseball [TS]

00:30:08   shirt [TS]

00:30:08   we should have some orange jeans you [TS]

00:30:11   know like i was i I looked like it [TS]

00:30:17   looked like an ice-cream cone whenever I [TS]

00:30:18   look at an ice cream cone make sure that [TS]

00:30:21   experiment yeah and-and-and I was [TS]

00:30:24   perfectly comfortable in those outfits [TS]

00:30:26   because you know first my mom had picked [TS]

00:30:28   them [TS]

00:30:29   and so how they make it they could be [TS]

00:30:33   wrong but also like my favorite color is [TS]

00:30:35   orange and I had orange jeans on what [TS]

00:30:37   other criteria would a person have if [TS]

00:30:40   you could if your favorite color was [TS]

00:30:41   orange and you could have orange jeans [TS]

00:30:44   why would you not and then I I sort of [TS]

00:30:48   walked through these giant doors into [TS]

00:30:51   teenager dumb and like leaving aside the [TS]

00:30:56   orange James for a second just the fact [TS]

00:30:59   that that my that my hair looks like a [TS]

00:31:01   motorcycle helmet and all these kids [TS]

00:31:05   with this hair that's just like that [TS]

00:31:07   just it really looked like feathers this [TS]

00:31:09   you kind of have the haircut [TS]

00:31:11   you've got the car cross between like [TS]

00:31:12   the ruler haircut in like a little bit [TS]

00:31:14   of charlie bucket on the cover of your [TS]

00:31:15   first record you can get that rocking a [TS]

00:31:17   little bit [TS]

00:31:18   well that's the thing like I if I could [TS]

00:31:20   it's it's basically the haircut that [TS]

00:31:22   every member of Creedence Clearwater [TS]

00:31:24   Revival and hannah i'ma go get my hair [TS]

00:31:29   cut it the best illustrated it's you [TS]

00:31:33   know it's it's like I mean my mom didn't [TS]

00:31:35   not know how to cut hair she she cut it [TS]

00:31:37   as as well as needed to be cut because [TS]

00:31:39   it sentences my attitude about the child [TS]

00:31:41   to it's like it's a child but your order [TS]

00:31:44   to grow back [TS]

00:31:45   yeah evidence and also like you're [TS]

00:31:46   giving it a cool haircut [TS]

00:31:48   why the hell would you give a good child [TS]

00:31:50   cool haircut like oh I see why you would [TS]

00:31:53   give the child cool haircut because the [TS]

00:31:54   child is a toy to you but but [TS]

00:31:58   practically what what a kid needs is [TS]

00:32:00   like no no cool haircut [TS]

00:32:03   I mean honestly but yeah the be given a [TS]

00:32:07   beater car a cheap cheap guitar same [TS]

00:32:10   idea a little bit over the the Giro love [TS]

00:32:13   sushi model of like your child should [TS]

00:32:15   work in your sushi restaurant their [TS]

00:32:17   entire life until they're old enough to [TS]

00:32:18   cut trail until I die and then you will [TS]

00:32:22   take over the sushi restaurant that is [TS]

00:32:23   the you know that that's the premise but [TS]

00:32:26   don't worry about it gets cut it in my [TS]

00:32:29   in my in my experience like like that [TS]

00:32:33   the consistency is the consistency of [TS]

00:32:37   like the adult world [TS]

00:32:39   I don't have I'm not worried about [TS]

00:32:42   explaining that to my kid because [TS]

00:32:44   because i feel like in general we've [TS]

00:32:47   established with her that like there are [TS]

00:32:49   restaurant rules and there are library [TS]

00:32:51   rules and there are home rules and those [TS]

00:32:55   rules are different and that doesn't [TS]

00:32:57   need to be explained to you you know [TS]

00:32:59   that we're in a restaurant restaurant [TS]

00:33:01   rules apply those are different than [TS]

00:33:02   house rules and so just follow the [TS]

00:33:04   restaurant rules these are that this is [TS]

00:33:07   that sort of uncomplicated way that we [TS]

00:33:10   traverse the world and if we're in a [TS]

00:33:12   restaurant and and someone up some kid [TS]

00:33:15   across the restaurant isn't obeying [TS]

00:33:16   restaurant rules [TS]

00:33:18   that's not our problem you don't use the [TS]

00:33:21   D that's still difficult i mean even if [TS]

00:33:22   she's very she's very curious about like [TS]

00:33:24   what is that little boy doing why is he [TS]

00:33:26   doing that it's like well then that's [TS]

00:33:28   also when you get into the when you go [TS]

00:33:30   on that further concentric circle out [TS]

00:33:32   from like cake at the party is an [TS]

00:33:35   awkward thing where like if we just [TS]

00:33:36   decided something at the last minute [TS]

00:33:38   after school like hey can we go to this [TS]

00:33:39   place everybody else going to sure and [TS]

00:33:41   that could be the comic book store it's [TS]

00:33:43   the park or something like that [TS]

00:33:44   well and the thing is sometimes one [TS]

00:33:46   parent sometimes that one parent is me [TS]

00:33:47   is like oh sure you can have an ice [TS]

00:33:50   cream cone or short you can have atomic [TS]

00:33:51   and then the other kids are like oh my [TS]

00:33:53   god what they give it that I should get [TS]

00:33:55   that right and that is like as much as [TS]

00:33:58   he that is clear in your mind or my mind [TS]

00:34:00   is very difficult to explain and and I [TS]

00:34:03   get that [TS]

00:34:03   yeah it's not extremely arbitrary and [TS]

00:34:06   basically unfair but that is that is a [TS]

00:34:09   kind of unfairness that I'm very [TS]

00:34:10   comfortable communicating to her is just [TS]

00:34:12   a part of existence like her to her [TS]

00:34:15   childhood justice which is such a super [TS]

00:34:18   which is super heightened and understood [TS]

00:34:21   you know it it's like yeah sometimes the [TS]

00:34:23   teat gets knocked out of your mouth kid [TS]

00:34:25   but you know like we got back up we we [TS]

00:34:29   all would be just on sucking on the [TS]

00:34:31   teeth all the time but we're not and so [TS]

00:34:33   sometimes the other kids get ice cream [TS]

00:34:36   cones some times blankety-blank [TS]

00:34:37   and-and-and definitely within within her [TS]

00:34:41   parenting structure like her mother is [TS]

00:34:45   it's not it's not that I don't think [TS]

00:34:47   that she doesn't care but like she uh [TS]

00:34:49   her mother is oblivious to [TS]

00:34:53   her playing with ice in her cup at a [TS]

00:34:57   restaurant by which I mean the way to [TS]

00:35:00   reach a filthy hand in and grab ice [TS]

00:35:02   later comes over puts a pint glass of [TS]

00:35:04   iced down in front of the kid and [TS]

00:35:06   immediately I am looking at the glass [TS]

00:35:07   and I'm looking at her and her mother is [TS]

00:35:11   not her mother is studying the menu [TS]

00:35:13   her mother is you're looking around and [TS]

00:35:16   the first thing that she does is she [TS]

00:35:18   reaches her filthy little hand into her [TS]

00:35:20   ice into what she sees as a fantastic [TS]

00:35:24   ice water bucket that is that somebody [TS]

00:35:27   put down here you know all she's new so [TS]

00:35:29   she needs a shovel to begin having fun [TS]

00:35:32   and look there's a giant spoon she does [TS]

00:35:33   have a shovel and so a way she goes and [TS]

00:35:36   if you're not sitting there saying like [TS]

00:35:37   hey hey hey guess what we don't do we [TS]

00:35:41   don't pull the ice out of our class [TS]

00:35:44   because you're a dumb little baby first [TS]

00:35:47   one you pulled a class over on you and [TS]

00:35:49   then you're gonna be soaking wet and [TS]

00:35:51   we're all gonna you know how how many [TS]

00:35:53   times does it have to happen before we [TS]

00:35:55   just don't do it anymore but in her [TS]

00:35:58   world there is the fundamental [TS]

00:36:00   inconsistency of when she's out to [TS]

00:36:02   dinner with her mother she by themselves [TS]

00:36:06   she might be playing in her water glass [TS]

00:36:08   the whole time but why we're the worst [TS]

00:36:10   at that but when her father died at that [TS]

00:36:13   you know like no you're not it that's [TS]

00:36:15   and all the sudden that seems arbitrary [TS]

00:36:17   well then she's staring at me with her [TS]

00:36:19   like her dark eyes she's giving me the [TS]

00:36:22   glare across the table like why are you [TS]

00:36:24   prohibiting me from doing what I want [TS]

00:36:28   and then we're then we have a new [TS]

00:36:30   problem which is your glaring at daddy [TS]

00:36:32   which is also not a thing that we do and [TS]

00:36:35   you know friend but she understands that [TS]

00:36:37   rules the rules are different with Daddy [TS]

00:36:40   and they're not radically different it's [TS]

00:36:41   not like daddy comes in and says before [TS]

00:36:44   we eat we all take off our clothes and [TS]

00:36:46   sing Kumbaya and everyone in the [TS]

00:36:49   restaurant staring at us but that's just [TS]

00:36:50   what what we do with Daddy [TS]

00:36:52   I mean it's just no it's it's a level of [TS]

00:36:54   it's within the realm of normal but the [TS]

00:36:56   rules are different and every person [TS]

00:36:59   should understand that because otherwise [TS]

00:37:00   you get situations where you are [TS]

00:37:02   clipping your fucking nails on an [TS]

00:37:04   airplane [TS]

00:37:04   yeah you know like that as the rules are [TS]

00:37:07   different but there are restaurant rules [TS]

00:37:09   their airplane rules and you know within [TS]

00:37:12   within within a realm of variation but [TS]

00:37:17   for me the idea that you would take your [TS]

00:37:21   shoes and socks off on an airplane and [TS]

00:37:23   put your feet up on the bulkhead is out [TS]

00:37:29   that's off the reservation it's outside [TS]

00:37:31   of what anyone would call reasonable [TS]

00:37:35   airplane rules over but I have a picture [TS]

00:37:38   of myself sitting in first class next to [TS]

00:37:41   a guy who took his shoes and socks off [TS]

00:37:43   and put his feet up on the bulkhead [TS]

00:37:44   where we were in row a and his feet are [TS]

00:37:46   bare feet on the bulkhead and you know [TS]

00:37:51   the flight attendants aren't going to [TS]

00:37:53   say anything [TS]

00:37:54   and here's this guy who's obviously like [TS]

00:37:57   he he has enough privilege that he is [TS]

00:38:00   sitting here and he's just taking it [TS]

00:38:02   taking it all the way like his comfort [TS]

00:38:05   above all else [TS]

00:38:06   so what we're watching other kids and [TS]

00:38:11   watching the way that they're at their [TS]

00:38:13   parents are there and loving and caring [TS]

00:38:19   and have the resources and ability but [TS]

00:38:23   there's just that she little piece of [TS]

00:38:28   attentiveness or attention or or like or [TS]

00:38:32   personal authority or just understanding [TS]

00:38:34   what the job is your job is not to give [TS]

00:38:36   your kid a cool haircut and make sure [TS]

00:38:38   that your kids are cool because then [TS]

00:38:40   your kid is going to be getting drunk [TS]

00:38:42   before school because that's that's the [TS]

00:38:45   only way they're going to fill that hole [TS]

00:38:46   you know your job is to say what the [TS]

00:38:48   rules are and to make the kids feel [TS]

00:38:50   loved as you take the glass of water [TS]

00:38:53   away from them and say we don't play [TS]

00:38:55   with water and our table [TS]

00:38:57   it's also kinda like you're really [TS]

00:39:00   reductive about it it turns on how you [TS]

00:39:02   look at your job or how you look at your [TS]

00:39:04   kid as a thing and I've had to become [TS]

00:39:07   more aware of something that it's like [TS]

00:39:10   do you look at this person as a retired [TS]

00:39:13   baby [TS]

00:39:14   we're at the future as a future fucked [TS]

00:39:18   up human rights adult right i mean [TS]

00:39:20   they're both human but like so is a [TS]

00:39:22   retired baby or a a you know future [TS]

00:39:25   fucked up person because everybody's [TS]

00:39:26   going to be a fucked up person [TS]

00:39:27   yeah and if you look at that that's I [TS]

00:39:29   think there's ways that you can try and [TS]

00:39:31   take those to faders and adjust them in [TS]

00:39:33   a way that becomes a little bit more [TS]

00:39:35   sensible because on the one hand you go [TS]

00:39:37   I understand why you're impatient i hate [TS]

00:39:38   being here to this really does suck and [TS]

00:39:41   and so maybe I can do something to try [TS]

00:39:42   and now you can play the iphone or maybe [TS]

00:39:44   you could do this game or when we're [TS]

00:39:45   done here we'll take a walk in [TS]

00:39:46   mysterious ways you can try to relieve [TS]

00:39:48   that [TS]

00:39:48   yeah but then the other part of it is [TS]

00:39:50   yeah but you also do sometimes you know [TS]

00:39:52   have to go wait in these lines because [TS]

00:39:54   that's the thing we have to do I don't [TS]

00:39:55   make it unbearable for you because i do [TS]

00:39:57   have boring wants to be kid was really [TS]

00:39:59   boring a lot of the time but you don't [TS]

00:40:01   need to think about I don't know i'm a [TS]

00:40:03   30 bone here it makes me think a little [TS]

00:40:05   bit i know you enjoy talking about [TS]

00:40:06   things like entrepreneurs and and the [TS]

00:40:08   super-wealthy I feel like I'm an [TS]

00:40:10   entrepreneur expert [TS]

00:40:11   yes yes I understand tired entrepreneur [TS]

00:40:13   I understand what their what their [TS]

00:40:15   culture ends and I i really want to get [TS]

00:40:18   really want to dig down i would want to [TS]

00:40:20   open the kimono gershon deep-dive I look [TS]

00:40:24   at you know then again this comes from [TS]

00:40:26   being and coming from a modest [TS]

00:40:28   background [TS]

00:40:29   the only thing that I find more [TS]

00:40:31   flummoxing then I found cute girls in [TS]

00:40:34   tight pants when I was 13 is to look at [TS]

00:40:37   people who really do like they make [TS]

00:40:40   millions millions or like a billion [TS]

00:40:42   dollars and then they move on to the [TS]

00:40:43   next thing is even bigger and they work [TS]

00:40:45   even harder and even somebody something [TS]

00:40:47   like but you know Donald Trump I mean [TS]

00:40:49   how many times it seemed made and lost [TS]

00:40:51   and remade a fortune and I find those [TS]

00:40:54   kinds of people they might as well be [TS]

00:40:55   from another planet because because I'm [TS]

00:40:57   that kind of person that would did that [TS]

00:40:59   like I'm down like maybe a just a half [TS]

00:41:02   turn away from a lottery ticket person [TS]

00:41:03   Ron like a you know if I had a company [TS]

00:41:05   that made that kind of money I would you [TS]

00:41:07   know trying to things like to take care [TS]

00:41:09   of college and you know settle my things [TS]

00:41:11   and and be but mostly I would try to [TS]

00:41:14   like have more time to do stuff and [TS]

00:41:15   that's the last thing on some of these [TS]

00:41:17   guys minds [TS]

00:41:18   yeah so what do you think is there any [TS]

00:41:20   connection at all to the kinds of things [TS]

00:41:21   we're talking about here like that you [TS]

00:41:23   like analyze what they were as kids but [TS]

00:41:25   you think that comes from a slight [TS]

00:41:27   super abundance of independence as a kid [TS]

00:41:30   that made them want to try stuff does it [TS]

00:41:31   potentially come from [TS]

00:41:33   I you know an unquenchable feeling of [TS]

00:41:37   self that needs to constantly be read [TS]

00:41:38   refilled or something else like where [TS]

00:41:40   did it come from [TS]

00:41:41   what makes people what makes the biggest [TS]

00:41:42   pile is not a great example but what is [TS]

00:41:44   it that makes people want to go and just [TS]

00:41:46   keep making these bigger and bigger [TS]

00:41:47   companies and bigger your products and [TS]

00:41:48   be involved in bigger and bigger things [TS]

00:41:50   to any sense of that [TS]

00:41:52   well I I I think about this a lot and [TS]

00:41:56   and and especially because some of that [TS]

00:42:00   desire to do to do bigger and bigger [TS]

00:42:02   things and more and more things is like [TS]

00:42:04   at the heart of my own my own problems [TS]

00:42:09   I i went into a coffee shop the other [TS]

00:42:12   day and the guy behind the counter was a [TS]

00:42:15   guy i knew i was like a man how's it [TS]

00:42:17   going he's like great man you know how [TS]

00:42:19   are you and we talked and he's got a [TS]

00:42:20   couple of kids and he made me like the [TS]

00:42:24   most delicious espresso that I've had in [TS]

00:42:27   weeks and I say that as a guy sitting [TS]

00:42:29   here drinking week old coffee that he [TS]

00:42:31   kept in the fridge while he was gone but [TS]

00:42:34   like this beautiful espresso and I was [TS]

00:42:38   standing out front of the coffee shop [TS]

00:42:39   talking to another friend of mine and I [TS]

00:42:41   was like I didn't know that this guy's [TS]

00:42:42   you know like like I guess I didn't know [TS]

00:42:45   that he worked here at this cafe I you [TS]

00:42:47   know I know him from around town life my [TS]

00:42:50   other friends like yeah he's worked at [TS]

00:42:53   this cafe since like 96 and I was kind [TS]

00:42:59   of taken aback by it [TS]

00:43:00   he's my age she's got two kids he's at [TS]

00:43:06   in some crucial way like he is [TS]

00:43:09   practicing the art of espresso and this [TS]

00:43:13   is a thing that happens here in Seattle [TS]

00:43:15   that's that predates the artisanal [TS]

00:43:18   mustache world who where we were we [TS]

00:43:23   recognized espresso making as a craft [TS]

00:43:25   and it was I guess it was always sort of [TS]

00:43:29   hipster world but that that thing alone [TS]

00:43:34   was a was a world that you could go into [TS]

00:43:37   with kind of pride and the guy who [TS]

00:43:40   who started stumptown coffee came out of [TS]

00:43:42   this this particular cafe and and and [TS]

00:43:46   this place never had it the guy that [TS]

00:43:48   owned it never had an interest in [TS]

00:43:50   expanding and becoming a 20 chain thing [TS]

00:43:52   they were just into their place and they [TS]

00:43:55   just make perfect coffee there and the [TS]

00:43:58   end so this cafe has a whole culture of [TS]

00:44:01   people who go there and it's like it's [TS]

00:44:04   it's kind of like a like a blast from [TS]

00:44:06   the past like it used to be before [TS]

00:44:08   before everything needed to become a [TS]

00:44:12   thing you know what it's getting what I [TS]

00:44:14   could just sit and be a little thing [TS]

00:44:16   yeah anyway and I was reflecting on the [TS]

00:44:19   fact that i like this guy he did just [TS]

00:44:21   make me a fantastic cup of coffee but [TS]

00:44:23   the idea of deciding at age 24 that [TS]

00:44:28   you're going to be a you're going to be [TS]

00:44:30   the world's greatest barista or not even [TS]

00:44:32   that you're just going to try and be a [TS]

00:44:34   better barrese to every day and that [TS]

00:44:37   that that would be that kind of [TS]

00:44:41   contentment could come into your life [TS]

00:44:43   through that practice and that you would [TS]

00:44:46   not every day I wake up and go why don't [TS]

00:44:48   I own this cafe [TS]

00:44:49   why don't I own why don't I own the [TS]

00:44:51   house across the street from this cafe [TS]

00:44:53   so I can sit in that house and look out [TS]

00:44:54   the window at my cafe you know why don't [TS]

00:44:57   I why haven't I written a book about how [TS]

00:45:00   to be a priest that is a that is the [TS]

00:45:04   biggest book ever about it you know that [TS]

00:45:06   constant drive 22 like a on the surface [TS]

00:45:15   of it and the weather way that in the [TS]

00:45:17   past like my ex-girlfriends of all [TS]

00:45:18   criticized me for us like the outward [TS]

00:45:22   expression of it it always seems like oh [TS]

00:45:25   you just want to be a big wheel like [TS]

00:45:27   you're not content to just sit and pull [TS]

00:45:28   coffee you want to be a big shot you [TS]

00:45:30   want to be the big the big wheel and [TS]

00:45:32   that is that's an impure motivation and [TS]

00:45:36   you should you should find contentment [TS]

00:45:39   in just living a good life and and all [TS]

00:45:43   the all these all these things that [TS]

00:45:44   people say like if you have a couple of [TS]

00:45:46   good friends and and you know and a [TS]

00:45:49   couple low and browse boy our children [TS]

00:45:52   but but I think at the core at least for [TS]

00:45:55   me is this desire to this desire to like [TS]

00:45:59   well what are we doing here [TS]

00:46:01   like if we're not moving the ball [TS]

00:46:02   forward on what it means to be human if [TS]

00:46:06   we're not helping each other if we're [TS]

00:46:09   not making it easier for the next [TS]

00:46:11   generation if we're not if we're not [TS]

00:46:13   trying to solve the problems that our [TS]

00:46:15   fathers and mothers created if we're not [TS]

00:46:19   like engaged in this life in pursuit of [TS]

00:46:24   something something that maybe we'll [TS]

00:46:26   never know you know something that [TS]

00:46:28   ultimately is just that we one day send [TS]

00:46:31   out a probe and it connects to another [TS]

00:46:33   it connects to extraterrestrial [TS]

00:46:36   intelligence or you know who knows what [TS]

00:46:39   the freaking purpose is but if you're [TS]

00:46:42   not if you're not pursuing it like there [TS]

00:46:44   is a purpose and and within that like at [TS]

00:46:48   least I feel like I should be part of [TS]

00:46:51   the advance guard of that night and I [TS]

00:46:54   feel like maybe the guy who's making [TS]

00:46:55   espresso everyday is fulfilling that [TS]

00:46:57   purpose also but but I perceive my job [TS]

00:47:02   to be as an explorer and as somebody who [TS]

00:47:05   is trying to like trying to advance that [TS]

00:47:08   ball but it comes up against this thing [TS]

00:47:12   that actually came up [TS]

00:47:14   um in the course of a Rodricks [TS]

00:47:17   rendezvous the other day where as I was [TS]

00:47:21   kind of free talking which is what I do [TS]

00:47:23   out that show basically like I roll my [TS]

00:47:25   eyes back in my head until you can see [TS]

00:47:28   the whites and then I've been a free [TS]

00:47:30   talk for half an hour and and then I the [TS]

00:47:34   secular version of speaking in tongues [TS]

00:47:35   yeah yeah well I just like here's what I [TS]

00:47:38   was thinking about today I thought about [TS]

00:47:40   some thoughts would you like to hear a [TS]

00:47:41   bad it's there I go here I go here go no [TS]

00:47:45   um but but I i was sort of reflecting on [TS]

00:47:49   the fact that that there are limits to [TS]

00:47:53   human pain and also limits to human joy [TS]

00:47:59   and the the way we can tell that there [TS]

00:48:03   are limits to human pain is that if [TS]

00:48:04   there were not [TS]

00:48:05   there are some people who have [TS]

00:48:08   experienced so much pain in their life [TS]

00:48:09   that it would make life impossible right [TS]

00:48:12   how could you survive the Holocaust and [TS]

00:48:16   then go on and live the rest of your [TS]

00:48:17   life and and live to be 90 how could you [TS]

00:48:20   do it how could there there are people [TS]

00:48:23   who have experienced such incredible [TS]

00:48:26   trauma that if there wasn't a floor to [TS]

00:48:28   the amount of pain we could we could [TS]

00:48:31   experience that people would drop all [TS]

00:48:34   the way through and then attend the [TS]

00:48:35   thing is there are people who do drop [TS]

00:48:36   all the way through their suicides and [TS]

00:48:39   there are all kinds of you know there [TS]

00:48:41   are all kinds of people who fall and [TS]

00:48:43   keep falling but for the most of us know [TS]

00:48:46   this is why when when you talk about [TS]

00:48:48   drug addicts or anything else we need to [TS]

00:48:50   talk about that they hit their bottom [TS]

00:48:52   and there's another way of looking at [TS]

00:48:55   that bottom which is that it is this [TS]

00:48:57   Blessid limit [TS]

00:49:00   there's a there's a floor to the amount [TS]

00:49:02   of suffering that you can experience and [TS]

00:49:04   at that at once you hit that floor you [TS]

00:49:07   know imagine losing your child I imagine [TS]

00:49:11   imagine losing your child where you are [TS]

00:49:13   responsible somehow like maybe you [TS]

00:49:15   couldn't survive if there were a floor [TS]

00:49:18   to the amount of suffering we can [TS]

00:49:20   actually experience and once you hit [TS]

00:49:23   that bottom then as they say there's [TS]

00:49:25   nowhere to go but up and we can survive [TS]

00:49:28   these terrible things and we can [TS]

00:49:30   continue on but the flip side of that is [TS]

00:49:35   that there is a ceiling to the amount of [TS]

00:49:37   joy that we can experience and a lot of [TS]

00:49:39   these people who are our what [TS]

00:49:42   characterizes multi millionaires and [TS]

00:49:44   billionaires is this constant trying to [TS]

00:49:49   trying to achieve a an enjoyment of [TS]

00:49:54   luxury or enjoyment of success that they [TS]

00:49:59   just can't they they hit they put their [TS]

00:50:02   ceiling and no and so they keep buying [TS]

00:50:05   luxury watches are there like I want all [TS]

00:50:08   the furniture in my house to be made out [TS]

00:50:11   of ocelot fur and if the if I get you [TS]

00:50:14   know if I get that then that is going to [TS]

00:50:16   then I'm really going to sign [TS]

00:50:18   whatever you get reach that you've got [TS]

00:50:20   no more opulence there's no there's [TS]

00:50:22   nothing that's not helping at that point [TS]

00:50:24   yeah i mean but they are thinking like [TS]

00:50:26   that's what I deserve that's what's [TS]

00:50:27   going to make me feel like better or [TS]

00:50:30   whatever and and like the fact is like I [TS]

00:50:35   have the good fortune periodically to [TS]

00:50:37   stay at the Chateau Marmont in LA which [TS]

00:50:40   is a kind of shabby chic you know that [TS]

00:50:43   people take care of you the food is [TS]

00:50:45   fairly good the rooms are comfortable [TS]

00:50:47   and realizing a long time ago I was [TS]

00:50:52   sitting in that hotel and I was like if [TS]

00:50:53   you had more money if you had so much [TS]

00:50:55   money that well first of all there's [TS]

00:50:58   there's the amount of money you could [TS]

00:51:00   have where you could stay at the Chateau [TS]

00:51:01   Marmont any time you wanted and not not [TS]

00:51:03   think about it and that seems like a [TS]

00:51:04   nice amount of money right if you have [TS]

00:51:06   that much money where you come to LA and [TS]

00:51:08   just be like oh I'm staying at the [TS]

00:51:09   Chateau minister for two weeks who cares [TS]

00:51:11   that seems like that seems like a great [TS]

00:51:14   resource and and yet there are people [TS]

00:51:17   who for whom the the idea of staying in [TS]

00:51:22   such a crappy place you know is like [TS]

00:51:25   would be an insult to them and and and I [TS]

00:51:28   see this in airports all the time I'm [TS]

00:51:29   walking around I'm like the airport is a [TS]

00:51:32   kind of place now where if you are even [TS]

00:51:36   in an airport [TS]

00:51:37   you're not in the top class of people [TS]

00:51:40   anymore and so that's been a shift that [TS]

00:51:43   you getting your in jan or something [TS]

00:51:45   beyond your own gender you'd be in a [TS]

00:51:46   charter jet you'd be in you you would be [TS]

00:51:48   in a different terminal and so everybody [TS]

00:51:51   in this airport is basically we are all [TS]

00:51:55   compressed into the same cattle chute [TS]

00:51:59   and the people who are people who are in [TS]

00:52:01   double first class and who who poured [TS]

00:52:05   earlier platinum rewards double french [TS]

00:52:07   class platinum rewards double first [TS]

00:52:08   class are just fooling themselves [TS]

00:52:10   because they're gonna have to go through [TS]

00:52:12   that same TSA line and they're gonna and [TS]

00:52:14   even you know and they might have [TS]

00:52:16   pre-check but there's a woman in pre [TS]

00:52:18   check in on a rascal scooter whether [TS]

00:52:19   whether pants full of beanie babies [TS]

00:52:22   Nevel like there's no there is no [TS]

00:52:25   there's no route to the airport that [TS]

00:52:28   doesn't at some point or another end up [TS]

00:52:30   with you standing there with your Louis [TS]

00:52:31   Vuitton luggage standing in line behind [TS]

00:52:34   a guy who's got his toenail clippers out [TS]

00:52:37   and is ready right guy who drinks a [TS]

00:52:40   little too much and almost finished an [TS]

00:52:42   associate's degree touching your balls [TS]

00:52:43   up so but the idea that there's a [TS]

00:52:46   ceiling on pleasure and this is and this [TS]

00:52:49   is what this is kind of the pic the [TS]

00:52:52   crazy thing about the about my [TS]

00:52:56   relationship to capitalism which is that [TS]

00:52:59   like unlimited wealth unlimited [TS]

00:53:03   opportunity unlimited success is not [TS]

00:53:05   unlimited [TS]

00:53:06   it is it is absolutely limited by the [TS]

00:53:10   compression that's on our own experience [TS]

00:53:13   the similarity that we all have to one [TS]

00:53:15   another and the fact that past a certain [TS]

00:53:18   amount of luxury freedom enjoyment you [TS]

00:53:23   know pleasure like there is no more [TS]

00:53:25   you cannot you cannot chase that dragon [TS]

00:53:28   any further [TS]

00:53:29   you cannot have any better sex that [TS]

00:53:33   you've already had and you cannot have [TS]

00:53:36   any better sleep than you've already had [TS]

00:53:38   and so all of the rest of it is wasted [TS]

00:53:43   effort you know like misdirected [TS]

00:53:46   resources and wasted a pursuit of [TS]

00:53:50   something that is just like here we go [TS]

00:53:52   with what you know we're all sitting and [TS]

00:53:54   watching these rich people like arc [TS]

00:53:56   across the sky and thinking wow there [TS]

00:53:59   that you know they must be having such [TS]

00:54:02   an amazing white-hot experience but [TS]

00:54:07   they're sitting on the in a bit of a [TS]

00:54:09   very comfortable chair and they have a [TS]

00:54:11   hangnail just like I have a hangnail you [TS]

00:54:15   know and they're paying somebody [TS]

00:54:17   eighteen hundred dollars a month to take [TS]

00:54:19   your eighteen hundred dollars a week to [TS]

00:54:20   take care of their nails but like the [TS]

00:54:23   but ultimately that that that ceiling in [TS]

00:54:26   that floor compresses what we can feel [TS]

00:54:31   and if we could just acknowledge that [TS]

00:54:34   somehow and feel like all right you know [TS]

00:54:36   you you cross the finish line you are in [TS]

00:54:39   pleasure time now this is as good as it [TS]

00:54:42   gets [TS]

00:54:43   so like don't spend any more like wait [TS]

00:54:45   so we're not going to devote billions of [TS]

00:54:46   dollars of our collective wealth to [TS]

00:54:49   support your your pursuit of more more [TS]

00:54:54   MORE [TS]

00:54:55   we're going to we're gonna go to channel [TS]

00:54:56   that in a different direction trying to [TS]

00:54:58   raise the boat for some other people to [TS]

00:54:59   get out of the swamps I guess that's the [TS]

00:55:05   logic of like a socialist mentality [TS]

00:55:09   right that's the that's the logic of [TS]

00:55:11   socialism is just that once you know [TS]

00:55:15   once a certain percentage of people are [TS]

00:55:18   up above up above the ceiling then what [TS]

00:55:21   we should really do is turn our [TS]

00:55:23   attention to all the people who are [TS]

00:55:25   below the floor i think it I think it's [TS]

00:55:29   it i think that's borne out in every [TS]

00:55:32   single individual persons like you look [TS]

00:55:35   at those pictures of Richard Branson who [TS]

00:55:38   has his own Island and he's and he's out [TS]

00:55:42   there with Mick Jagger and a bunch of 24 [TS]

00:55:45   year old virgin airline stewardesses and [TS]

00:55:48   they are having jet ski races and the [TS]

00:55:54   only reason i know that this is [TS]

00:55:55   happening is that there are photographs [TS]

00:55:57   of it and the only reason there are [TS]

00:55:58   photographs of it is that Richard [TS]

00:55:59   Branson have hired somebody to stand [TS]

00:56:01   waist-deep in the in the luke warm ocean [TS]

00:56:05   water and make sure that they documented [TS]

00:56:08   this experience because Richard Branson [TS]

00:56:10   doesn't believe that it exists unless [TS]

00:56:12   it's photographed and publicized and you [TS]

00:56:17   see the look on his face and he's a [TS]

00:56:19   handsome guy who has got a lot of money [TS]

00:56:21   and he's having what we all think of as [TS]

00:56:23   a you know peak experience like he's [TS]

00:56:25   naked jets game with Mick Jagger but the [TS]

00:56:29   look of rigor mortis on their faces is [TS]

00:56:33   the look of somebody who isn't who does [TS]

00:56:35   not [TS]

00:56:36   who does not know how to enjoy things [TS]

00:56:38   and he can only you know he's so it is [TS]

00:56:43   so you have to photograph it [TS]

00:56:44   the only enjoyment he's really getting [TS]

00:56:45   is making sure that other people saw [TS]

00:56:47   this and making sure that you know he is [TS]

00:56:50   Anna and he doesn't seem coming he seems [TS]

00:56:54   like a monster but not the worst kind [TS]

00:56:56   right at least he is you know at least [TS]

00:56:59   he's not using his wealth to like make [TS]

00:57:01   sure that people don't get I'm kind of [TS]

00:57:03   surprised that doesn't happen more often [TS]

00:57:05   because it seems like there's a fork in [TS]

00:57:07   the road where you get I'm great at the [TS]

00:57:09   kind of interesting you get to a certain [TS]

00:57:11   point and you've got everything anybody [TS]

00:57:13   could ever want you been on the cover of [TS]

00:57:14   magazines and you start to get that [TS]

00:57:16   maybe they would never say this but if [TS]

00:57:19   you are a multi-millionaire and you [TS]

00:57:20   start to get that fit of pique that [TS]

00:57:22   feeling of kind of emptiness we going to [TS]

00:57:26   charity stuff when you start a [TS]

00:57:27   foundation and this is a nice thing to [TS]

00:57:29   do it's very nice they did that I'm sure [TS]

00:57:31   there are some financial reasons to do [TS]

00:57:32   that as well but anyway you go and you [TS]

00:57:34   started the foundation and you start [TS]

00:57:36   hanging out with boutros boutros-ghali [TS]

00:57:37   or whatever i'm kind of surprised there [TS]

00:57:39   aren't more people who just decided to [TS]

00:57:40   become super villains like secret super [TS]

00:57:42   villains where they're likely still show [TS]

00:57:44   up for meetings [TS]

00:57:45   yeah yeah this isn't charity work but [TS]

00:57:47   basically man if I could afford to buy [TS]

00:57:48   an island i would be that would be doing [TS]

00:57:50   some crazy shit that nobody could trace [TS]

00:57:52   to me because I had a Ford you could [TS]

00:57:54   afford to do stuff we could never be [TS]

00:57:56   traced back to you and part of the fun [TS]

00:57:57   would be your like anonymous now or [TS]

00:57:59   you're like you know some 4chan kid like [TS]

00:58:02   you're getting away with incredible shit [TS]

00:58:03   and nobody can figure out as you because [TS]

00:58:05   you know you're hanging out with [TS]

00:58:06   pictures pictures cali yeah right you [TS]

00:58:07   the first thing i did you get a little [TS]

00:58:09   bit appealing first thing you do is buy [TS]

00:58:11   a submarine well and and honestly the [TS]

00:58:14   reason i think that that doesn't happen [TS]

00:58:15   more and then that and I think that is [TS]

00:58:18   the underlying logic of all conspiracy [TS]

00:58:20   theorists is that all the rich people [TS]

00:58:21   have in fact done that and then maybe [TS]

00:58:24   maybe on the it here maybe that's [TS]

00:58:26   happening and I just don't know it yet [TS]

00:58:27   they are running they are running secret [TS]

00:58:29   kids what separates from there from [TS]

00:58:32   their private something but i think i [TS]

00:58:33   think what you come up against is the [TS]

00:58:35   threshold of people's imagination [TS]

00:58:37   suggesting any of the public submarine [TS]

00:58:39   them [TS]

00:58:39   Nick so can I mean it's not slept with [TS]

00:58:41   so submarine line-up I could see that I [TS]

00:58:45   could see that it's like anything would [TS]

00:58:46   be better than what's happening right [TS]

00:58:47   now my brain I'm picturing Seattle with [TS]

00:58:49   all that with the zip lines and the [TS]

00:58:51   gondolas installed and then some [TS]

00:58:53   submarine-based public trans you know me [TS]

00:58:55   you know I believe there's power to [TS]

00:58:56   union oh my god they are the the local [TS]

00:59:01   community even on the cars I've seen you [TS]

00:59:03   dive out at the last minute I have been [TS]

00:59:05   on immunity for sure you know my high [TS]

00:59:07   school girlfriend that the way break [TS]

00:59:10   your heart [TS]

00:59:10   yeah met and married her husband the [TS]

00:59:14   doctor but well he's a PhD and she's a [TS]

00:59:18   doctor she's a doctor she he's a PhD [TS]

00:59:19   depending on whether you call them a [TS]

00:59:21   doctor not i I'll leave that to you but [TS]

00:59:24   the stood there there meet-cute story is [TS]

00:59:26   that she was on the muni and was getting [TS]

00:59:29   off at the stop that he was getting on [TS]

00:59:32   and he got on the subway and either she [TS]

00:59:37   turned around and got back on the subway [TS]

00:59:39   got back on the muni that she had just [TS]

00:59:42   got off or it was the other way around [TS]

00:59:44   and she got off and he was about to get [TS]

00:59:46   on and then he got all that's a really [TS]

00:59:48   creepy me cute but there is they're [TS]

00:59:51   married and they have two beautiful life [TS]

00:59:53   goes on for them [TS]

00:59:54   yeah good for them yeah muni frankly [TS]

00:59:56   because matata so they got a union [TS]

00:59:56   because matata so they got a union [TS]

01:00:00   and yeah you know me John I believe [TS]

01:00:01   there's power in the union i know you're [TS]

01:00:03   not a union-busting I think Buster no no [TS]

01:00:06   scab / I don't scamper on this Gabbar [TS]

01:00:09   that there are 600 vehicles that are [TS]

01:00:13   operating every given day in san [TS]

01:00:15   francisco and let's just say it's [TS]

01:00:17   already it's a shitstorm to begin with [TS]

01:00:21   just just the fact is that if everything [TS]

01:00:22   is running perfectly [TS]

01:00:23   it's still so not running perfectly and [TS]

01:00:27   these guys are a little a little unhappy [TS]

01:00:28   about their current negotiations for the [TS]

01:00:31   $32 and 50 cent in our opening up a job [TS]

01:00:36   so they're going to start paying for [TS]

01:00:37   some of the attention [TS]

01:00:39   mhm okay these guys these guys who make [TS]

01:00:41   a hundred thousand dollars here and live [TS]

01:00:42   on golf courses and God bless them [TS]

01:00:45   they're doing they're doing great work [TS]

01:00:46   and two-thirds of them did not show up [TS]

01:00:50   on Monday and Tuesday [TS]

01:00:52   oh shut the city down huh it's called [TS]

01:00:54   sick out because their contract [TS]

01:00:55   contractually obligated to not do that [TS]

01:00:57   that is out of range for something not [TS]

01:01:00   all the strike and and they didn't like [TS]

01:01:02   the way negotiations are going and so [TS]

01:01:04   basically the city's been completely [TS]

01:01:06   gutted the cable car lines are down if [TS]

01:01:08   they brought your kid to San Francisco [TS]

01:01:10   around the cable car come back another [TS]

01:01:11   time when he's working [TS]

01:01:13   Oh yep yep yep you got to my [TS]

01:01:16   neighborhood like you know just about [TS]

01:01:17   where i am at my longitude or whatever [TS]

01:01:19   you come out here the train stops and [TS]

01:01:22   turns around and goes back because they [TS]

01:01:24   need for other places there's a bus that [TS]

01:01:26   will show up that will then take every [TS]

01:01:28   single person that was on that train [TS]

01:01:30   shove them into one bus and then maybe [TS]

01:01:32   that'll get all the way out to the zoo [TS]

01:01:33   that that's our that's our last three [TS]

01:01:35   days here and you like and you know this [TS]

01:01:38   really makes me like a John Roderick [TS]

01:01:39   character because it's ready to put up [TS]

01:01:41   with with a lot a lot of poop on the [TS]

01:01:43   streets you know but like it's so that's [TS]

01:01:46   we really need that system to work you [TS]

01:01:50   know because there are a lot of people [TS]

01:01:51   who like you know if I had my druthers [TS]

01:01:53   we would not have a car at all you have [TS]

01:01:55   a car because my wife works on the other [TS]

01:01:56   side of town so we ended up getting [TS]

01:01:58   another car but you know I I don't want [TS]

01:02:01   to have a car I don't want to need a car [TS]

01:02:03   I don't want to fucking Park are I part [TS]

01:02:05   of what makes my neighborhood cool i'm [TS]

01:02:07   lucky to be on one of the five [TS]

01:02:09   why am I telling you this who cares [TS]

01:02:10   except i think there's a john robert [TS]

01:02:12   point to this somewhere [TS]

01:02:13   yeah and likes today we got on exam take [TS]

01:02:15   my kids to the zoo for camp we got 55 [TS]

01:02:19   stops from our house had to get out [TS]

01:02:21   because the Train needed to go back and [TS]

01:02:23   then we stand there and we wait and it's [TS]

01:02:25   just like you really I start to feel [TS]

01:02:27   like george costanza character that was [TS]

01:02:30   my private island women are you saying [TS]

01:02:32   that the John Rother character in the [TS]

01:02:33   george costanza character share any [TS]

01:02:35   common LOL absolutely not [TS]

01:02:37   oh my gosh I can't believe you would [TS]

01:02:38   even in that from what I was saying [TS]

01:02:40   thank you but we all believe it is [TS]

01:02:42   already here [TS]

01:02:43   I think you know I think what one of the [TS]

01:02:45   one of the problems is that that you [TS]

01:02:51   should not let the Liberals run things [TS]

01:02:53   in a kinky way you know like there is a [TS]

01:02:56   reason that there are two I mean America [TS]

01:03:00   could have 15 party's political parties [TS]

01:03:03   America has to and within those two [TS]

01:03:06   political parties we try and put the [TS]

01:03:08   whole constellation of of feelings but [TS]

01:03:11   if you let one little is so vastly [TS]

01:03:15   different approach and philosophy and [TS]

01:03:17   practical realpolitik as you see luckily [TS]

01:03:20   they're so different that they really [TS]

01:03:21   are two extremely structure it's smooth [TS]

01:03:23   and the reason that they aren't is that [TS]

01:03:26   yeah but the vast mass of people are [TS]

01:03:29   right in that center and they pick left [TS]

01:03:32   or right just based on like who their [TS]

01:03:33   parents were and just based on the kind [TS]

01:03:35   of music they like what you know like if [TS]

01:03:38   there was a centre party it would be the [TS]

01:03:40   biggest party in the country by far but [TS]

01:03:43   the centre party idea that [TS]

01:03:46   yeah the centre party let the left [TS]

01:03:47   people already the c++ RT see that yeah [TS]

01:03:50   that's right yeah but gentleman's be the [TS]

01:03:53   gentleman's be party but but you need [TS]

01:03:56   people who are you need people who are [TS]

01:04:00   sticklers to run of a public transit [TS]

01:04:05   system you know you need a suspiciously [TS]

01:04:08   to bring some Swiss a political people [TS]

01:04:10   that's routes neutral right right [TS]

01:04:13   a political who are who are an [TS]

01:04:16   unemotional but who have who have [TS]

01:04:20   resources right you [TS]

01:04:22   cannot you cannot run a public transit [TS]

01:04:25   system where the where the people who [TS]

01:04:27   are responsible for peak keeping it [TS]

01:04:29   running don't have the resources to do [TS]

01:04:31   it you know and ultimately you're seeing [TS]

01:04:36   this in the new york public library's [TS]

01:04:38   right now [TS]

01:04:39   it knew that new york public library is [TS]

01:04:42   trying to support itself because unlike [TS]

01:04:45   a unlike sort of its competitive [TS]

01:04:49   competition it big pop big big like [TS]

01:04:53   private institutions and Library of [TS]

01:04:55   Congress whatever the new york public [TS]

01:04:56   library's is supported by the people [TS]

01:04:59   right there's this fascinating article I [TS]

01:05:01   was reading I guess in that would be the [TS]

01:05:04   new yorker yeah New Yorker just recently [TS]

01:05:05   when they're like the new york public [TS]

01:05:07   library sold one of its branch libraries [TS]

01:05:10   to try and earn some money they sold the [TS]

01:05:14   real estate to try to earn some money to [TS]

01:05:16   keep the library functioning and open [TS]

01:05:20   and they sold this building 450 million [TS]

01:05:22   dollars in midtown and that 50 million [TS]

01:05:26   dollars went into the 300 million dollar [TS]

01:05:29   budget or three million dollar deficit [TS]

01:05:31   that they were trying to try to resolve [TS]

01:05:33   that the 50 million dollar building you [TS]

01:05:37   know beautiful library building was torn [TS]

01:05:39   down by a developer who build a 500 [TS]

01:05:43   million dollar hotel apartment loft the [TS]

01:05:49   the penthouse of which sold for 60 [TS]

01:05:54   million dollars so [TS]

01:05:58   there's you know that the person who [TS]

01:06:01   bought that 60 million dollar penthouse [TS]

01:06:02   could have just bought the old library [TS]

01:06:03   and lived in it if I was a fucking [TS]

01:06:06   supervillain that's what I would have [TS]

01:06:07   done that was pretty sweet you're [TS]

01:06:09   looking like a Batman villain now be so [TS]

01:06:11   cool i would have gone in and said hey [TS]

01:06:13   you guys leave the books [TS]

01:06:16   guess what i'm buying the whole thing [TS]

01:06:18   library's books microfiche everything [TS]

01:06:20   there's nothing in there you don't want [TS]

01:06:21   you don't blow stick and gloves and maps [TS]

01:06:25   live in a freaking like I would love to [TS]

01:06:28   live in an old library so this this [TS]

01:06:29   whoever this person is paid 10 million [TS]

01:06:32   more dollars to live in what is probably [TS]

01:06:34   just a you know an apartment that looks [TS]

01:06:38   like a hotel room that has only the [TS]

01:06:40   finest finishes on everything and it's [TS]

01:06:44   just fucking garbage [TS]

01:06:45   everything about it is garbage living [TS]

01:06:47   there is a it is to live in an in a [TS]

01:06:50   place with no heart and to live there is [TS]

01:06:53   to be a person with no heart and you did [TS]

01:06:55   and the person who bought that apartment [TS]

01:06:56   doesn't even live there they probably [TS]

01:06:58   live in st. Petersburg or they probably [TS]

01:07:01   live most of their life on Richard [TS]

01:07:03   Branson's private island and this is [TS]

01:07:05   just the place that they come to blow [TS]

01:07:07   people's minds when they're in New York [TS]

01:07:08   but so this idea that the that the new [TS]

01:07:11   york public library is like scrambling [TS]

01:07:13   and I mean that's that that's the [TS]

01:07:16   ultimate public institution right that [TS]

01:07:18   building with the freaking Lions out [TS]

01:07:20   front that has served the citizens of [TS]

01:07:25   New York for over a hundred years it has [TS]

01:07:27   the collected knowledge of all of human [TS]

01:07:30   history in it and we are so screwed up [TS]

01:07:36   right now that the sense that the sense [TS]

01:07:38   that it is new york city's [TS]

01:07:40   responsibility to keep that library [TS]

01:07:42   completely funded and that all of the [TS]

01:07:46   billionaire's that live there and all [TS]

01:07:48   the money that's going through that city [TS]

01:07:49   that that somehow that library would [TS]

01:07:53   would be in jeopardy because speakers [TS]

01:07:58   some tax bill didn't go through albany [TS]

01:08:00   the right way right now all of a sudden [TS]

01:08:02   some administrator at the library has to [TS]

01:08:04   worry about fundraising all the time [TS]

01:08:07   and meanwhile you know across the street [TS]

01:08:10   there is somebody buying a ring for his [TS]

01:08:13   Ukrainian girlfriends that cost 30 [TS]

01:08:16   million dollars because I you know [TS]

01:08:18   because Queen Elizabeth to once [TS]

01:08:21   swallowed the stone and shout it out and [TS]

01:08:25   got a conflict time since its thinks [TS]

01:08:27   it's like it's like a special monkey [TS]

01:08:30   poop coffee [TS]

01:08:32   except it's a diamond D a yellow diamond [TS]

01:08:34   it wasn't yellow when it went in and and [TS]

01:08:37   and so so you've got these you know what [TS]

01:08:40   so we are living in a world and this is [TS]

01:08:41   why I'm this is why i'm starting to [TS]

01:08:43   focus so much on local government you [TS]

01:08:45   know you the the state of California is [TS]

01:08:46   so broken because of that fucking [TS]

01:08:50   referendum 14 or whatever the hell it is [TS]

01:08:53   that the state of California pass I'll [TS]

01:08:56   prop 13 prop 13 is that what it was that [TS]

01:08:58   Howard Jarvis thing the thing know the [TS]

01:09:01   thing from from from way back where they [TS]

01:09:03   just basically gutted the funding of [TS]

01:09:05   everything in the state [TS]

01:09:07   ok i'm trying to remember that it's it's [TS]

01:09:10   some some some proposition that was [TS]

01:09:14   passed by by popular acclaim but decade [TS]

01:09:20   or two or three ago God why my my my [TS]

01:09:22   blade on the tax revolt thing and the [TS]

01:09:24   thing yeah it's proposition 13 [TS]

01:09:26   proposition 13 and so being you know the [TS]

01:09:28   state of California does not basically [TS]

01:09:31   eliminated its own power to tax I don't [TS]

01:09:35   know they do all right but but you know [TS]

01:09:39   that the state is kind of falling apart [TS]

01:09:40   and then you and our country is falling [TS]

01:09:42   apart our infrastructure is falling [TS]

01:09:44   apart our public facilities are falling [TS]

01:09:48   apart because we are collectively [TS]

01:09:50   funneling our resources and he created [TS]

01:09:54   women's rings yeah well and into you [TS]

01:09:57   know into all these guys who are who are [TS]

01:09:59   designing apps for iphone ok well i mean [TS]

01:10:04   seriously yeah you know like a billion [TS]

01:10:06   dollars okay a billion dollars is it [TS]

01:10:09   would be a fantastic [TS]

01:10:12   um let's let's call it a day [TS]

01:10:17   a request right to the new york public [TS]

01:10:20   library why doesn't the new york public [TS]

01:10:21   library have a billion dollars in its [TS]

01:10:23   coffers right why would muni why would [TS]

01:10:27   muni not be like trying to expand and [TS]

01:10:32   improve its service and every touches [TS]

01:10:34   that before patron we need somebody who [TS]

01:10:35   can be about the patron of meaningful [TS]

01:10:38   things but why are we not our own [TS]

01:10:40   patrons like you know like that's the [TS]

01:10:43   idea that i do not want a prince of muni [TS]

01:10:45   who is fluid was like I hereby allow [TS]

01:10:49   immunity to keep operating because i am [TS]

01:10:51   a saint and I'd and I cannot no longer [TS]

01:10:53   get pleasure out of my money so I'm [TS]

01:10:56   going to turn it over to immunity I I'm [TS]

01:10:59   i wish somebody would write a book [TS]

01:11:00   called everything everything I need to [TS]

01:11:06   know I learned getting everything I need [TS]

01:11:09   to know I learned planning a wedding is [TS]

01:11:11   because I think like there are certain [TS]

01:11:13   kinds of things in life that i would i [TS]

01:11:15   would say dealing with planning a [TS]

01:11:18   wedding and dealing with getting ready [TS]

01:11:20   to have a baby are two really good [TS]

01:11:22   examples of this of something where like [TS]

01:11:24   you you might have the best ideas and [TS]

01:11:26   the best intentions in the world i'm [TS]

01:11:28   making this analogous to go into [TS]

01:11:30   government for wood for a good cause and [TS]

01:11:33   and why I think sometimes even a billion [TS]

01:11:35   dollars wouldn't help [TS]

01:11:36   I guess what I'm saying is the thing is [TS]

01:11:38   that in the case of a wedding when he's [TS]

01:11:39   having a baby but not how like you [TS]

01:11:42   thought this out and no matter how many [TS]

01:11:43   good ideas and how many good intentions [TS]

01:11:45   of how much energy you have like it's [TS]

01:11:47   all going to be ground up in the [TS]

01:11:50   machinery of that process so like if [TS]

01:11:52   you've got an idea for how you want [TS]

01:11:54   things to go you can tell the DJ I can't [TS]

01:11:56   tell you how many people I know that [TS]

01:11:57   have said specifically to the DJ the [TS]

01:11:59   first question was are you gonna talk [TS]

01:12:01   over everybody can do all this bullshit [TS]

01:12:03   i dono make sure to play if you leave it [TS]

01:12:06   exactly this time and stuff like that [TS]

01:12:07   and they don't and they get up there and [TS]

01:12:09   they announced the fucking chicken song [TS]

01:12:11   the bride is weeping because you spent [TS]

01:12:12   ten thousand dollars for this guy who [TS]

01:12:14   didn't do a single thing they asked them [TS]

01:12:15   to do and you know why because that's [TS]

01:12:17   how it works and you can go in and say [TS]

01:12:19   you want the pub patrons to be this way [TS]

01:12:20   we want these kind of covers on the [TS]

01:12:22   chairs or like the thing is you think so [TS]

01:12:24   on the one hand you think I can fix this [TS]

01:12:26   i can make this the wedding that I want [TS]

01:12:28   by throwing money at it and the thing is [TS]

01:12:30   there [TS]

01:12:30   always be so much more money that you [TS]

01:12:32   can throw at that and all its gonna do [TS]

01:12:34   is be more money to go into the gaping [TS]

01:12:36   mall of the wedding industry kind of [TS]

01:12:38   similar thing with Kenneth having a kid [TS]

01:12:40   I think where they you know it's all [TS]

01:12:42   these books and websites that will [TS]

01:12:44   encourage you to have your birth plan [TS]

01:12:45   all these things that you want to do and [TS]

01:12:48   and eventually it's going to come down [TS]

01:12:49   some people saying well you know you [TS]

01:12:51   could you can engineer that as heavily [TS]

01:12:53   as you want but there's still so much [TS]

01:12:54   stuff that just runs the way that it [TS]

01:12:56   runs because that's the way that it runs [TS]

01:12:58   well on Fleming's let me say let me say [TS]

01:12:59   this about that yes the the you know one [TS]

01:13:03   of the fundamental problems with [TS]

01:13:04   economics is that economics when people [TS]

01:13:08   talk about economic models in there they [TS]

01:13:10   talk about you know the capitalist model [TS]

01:13:11   our typical economic model does not take [TS]

01:13:16   into consideration that natural [TS]

01:13:19   resources are limited right like if you [TS]

01:13:24   have never thought of that that's [TS]

01:13:25   interesting [TS]

01:13:26   if you have a if you have a company [TS]

01:13:27   whose whose value is in oil extraction [TS]

01:13:30   the company is valued by there by the [TS]

01:13:34   amount of money that they have invested [TS]

01:13:35   in their machines by the cost that it [TS]

01:13:39   that is required to get the oil out of [TS]

01:13:41   the ground and to process it and ship it [TS]

01:13:43   and that is the cost of oil and that is [TS]

01:13:45   why that company is worth money [TS]

01:13:47   what is not factored into that cost is [TS]

01:13:49   that oil exists in a limited quantity [TS]

01:13:52   that we presumably collectively owned it [TS]

01:13:57   as residents of Earth and that when it [TS]

01:14:00   and that the oil has value intrinsically [TS]

01:14:04   in the ground before it's moved and who [TS]

01:14:08   owns that value and how is that value [TS]

01:14:10   how do we factored that in the things we [TS]

01:14:14   don't we don't think about the value of [TS]

01:14:17   gold before it's extracted from the [TS]

01:14:19   ground at the scarcity that is involved [TS]

01:14:23   in gold is the scarcity of scarcity that [TS]

01:14:26   is a product of well it's hard to find [TS]

01:14:28   and it's hard to get out and transport [TS]

01:14:32   around but not the know a moment that [TS]

01:14:34   has value where it lives and so all [TS]

01:14:38   economics [TS]

01:14:40   ultimately is broken it's a it is a it's [TS]

01:14:44   a game that we're playing it's a it's a [TS]

01:14:47   it's a story that we're telling [TS]

01:14:49   ourselves about how things work but it's [TS]

01:14:53   a completely false story because to [TS]

01:14:57   begin any economic idea you have to say [TS]

01:14:59   like well we're all on one planet and it [TS]

01:15:01   is limited and we collectively owned it [TS]

01:15:03   we have to there's no way you could say [TS]

01:15:06   unless you are unless you believe an [TS]

01:15:09   origin story where God says you you know [TS]

01:15:11   you Adam own and your descendants gets [TS]

01:15:13   divided up you have to say like we're [TS]

01:15:16   all on the planet we collectively owned [TS]

01:15:18   it and so all the games that were [TS]

01:15:21   playing about like well I own this much [TS]

01:15:23   of it and you on that much of it and you [TS]

01:15:25   don't know any of it are just games [TS]

01:15:27   they're just stories and they are [TS]

01:15:30   stories that that have evolved because [TS]

01:15:32   our understanding of where we came from [TS]

01:15:34   used to be less complete and back when [TS]

01:15:38   it was like I don't know the earth is [TS]

01:15:39   flat and i live on this part of it you [TS]

01:15:41   know it made sense to say like this is [TS]

01:15:43   mine i found this first or whatever but [TS]

01:15:46   now we would get to to actually have a [TS]

01:15:49   system you could call economics that [TS]

01:15:51   made any sense at all [TS]

01:15:53   you have to start completely over and [TS]

01:15:55   say that's just I never thought it's [TS]

01:15:56   super interesting point it's yeah it's [TS]

01:15:58   almost like the same kind is this is [TS]

01:16:00   gonna sound silly but like why you can [TS]

01:16:01   certainly understand why people like the [TS]

01:16:03   gold standard it makes a lot of sense [TS]

01:16:04   because you're saying even a stone [TS]

01:16:06   abstraction [TS]

01:16:07   you're saying what makes this paper [TS]

01:16:08   valuable is this other stuff that's [TS]

01:16:10   valuable the end but in this case you're [TS]

01:16:12   saying like we never we never talked [TS]

01:16:14   about the most basic part about this [TS]

01:16:16   which is like where that gold cake from [TS]

01:16:18   right where that gold came from running [TS]

01:16:19   like whoohoo if anybody owns it because [TS]

01:16:22   of why because of wine right and so so [TS]

01:16:25   the idea of taxes for instance which we [TS]

01:16:28   all spend all of our time like the [TS]

01:16:30   moaning and thinking about a block taxes [TS]

01:16:33   taxes taxes taxes are just an idea that [TS]

01:16:37   somebody had to try and solve a problem [TS]

01:16:39   by portioning resources that are that [TS]

01:16:43   are largely fantasy in these different [TS]

01:16:46   directions and and try and resolve [TS]

01:16:48   inequalities and perform functions [TS]

01:16:52   taxes are not something natural they are [TS]

01:16:56   not God did not invent them and they are [TS]

01:16:58   not in the earth taxes are a comedy [TS]

01:17:02   which we have which we have placed on [TS]

01:17:05   top of a comedy and the idea that the [TS]

01:17:10   idea that we can look at the earth and [TS]

01:17:13   look at our cities and look at ourselves [TS]

01:17:14   and say this is not we do we have to [TS]

01:17:19   look through these comedies that we've [TS]

01:17:21   written to describe how we got here and [TS]

01:17:25   instead say where are we [TS]

01:17:27   how do we apportion resources where we [TS]

01:17:29   need them [TS]

01:17:30   how do we have us how do we have a [TS]

01:17:32   cantar we how do we write a new story [TS]

01:17:34   where we understand that this is a [TS]

01:17:36   collective action it is spaceship earth [TS]

01:17:40   and there are the end resources are [TS]

01:17:45   limited and we now have the technology [TS]

01:17:47   that we can move them around you know [TS]

01:17:49   fairly effortlessly how do we really [TS]

01:17:51   want to do that how do we do that that [TS]

01:17:53   would make sense to a child sense of [TS]

01:17:55   fairness [TS]

01:17:56   how do we do that that takes into [TS]

01:17:58   consideration that we do not want [TS]

01:18:00   everybody we do not want people living [TS]

01:18:01   beneath the floor and we are not [TS]

01:18:04   particularly interested in people living [TS]

01:18:06   this dragon chasing existence because [TS]

01:18:10   it's because it because it's ludicrous [TS]

01:18:12   and you know so so taxes themselves are [TS]

01:18:18   just a it's just a game to try and pry [TS]

01:18:22   some resources away to direct them to [TS]

01:18:26   these sort of collective actions and [TS]

01:18:29   when you talk about like collective [TS]

01:18:32   action versus individual freedom [TS]

01:18:35   those are games those are those are [TS]

01:18:38   those are jokes of their novels i guess [TS]

01:18:42   and the reality is like here we all are [TS]

01:18:46   right we're all like what we're [TS]

01:18:49   breathing the same area and your [TS]

01:18:50   individual rights and my desire to to [TS]

01:18:53   make the progress that can only happen [TS]

01:18:56   through collective action are [TS]

01:18:59   you know our are just the tip of the [TS]

01:19:02   iceberg really and that we spend all of [TS]

01:19:04   our time fighting over and and believing [TS]

01:19:07   that those two things are antithetical [TS]

01:19:08   to one another is is just because we [TS]

01:19:11   have such a limited imagination and [TS]

01:19:14   we're so taken up by these by these [TS]

01:19:17   stories that don't that don't work [TS]

01:19:19   anymore [TS]

01:19:19   there are there are [TS]

01:19:20   great-great-great-grandfather stories [TS]

01:19:22   and they don't they do not actually [TS]

01:19:25   describe our world [TS]

01:19:32   I really want a nice car though [TS]

01:19:35   yeah what are you are you still shopping [TS]

01:19:37   starts a nice truck maybe yeah butBut [TS]

01:19:40   nice big gasoline truck was was down in [TS]

01:19:44   the house down in Mexico and I I'll i [TS]

01:19:47   saw this Cadillac on that on the [TS]

01:19:49   craigslist sixties catalog you know and [TS]

01:19:52   I was like you know what I'm just going [TS]

01:19:54   to fucking buy it I'm down here in Santa [TS]

01:19:56   Fe I'm just gonna buy this Cadillac I'm [TS]

01:19:58   a drive at home and that's going to be [TS]

01:20:01   that's me [TS]

01:20:04   you know what I mean like that's how i [TS]

01:20:06   do i'm just down here i'm going to throw [TS]

01:20:08   some cash at the 60s Cadillac and [TS]

01:20:10   driving home through the through the [TS]

01:20:12   wilds of the west and when i get home [TS]

01:20:15   that I'm gonna be the guy in the [TS]

01:20:17   Cadillac who drove it home from santa fe [TS]

01:20:20   and that's going to be a great story [TS]

01:20:21   this is this is my new origin story my [TS]

01:20:24   latest 10 there are people that just [TS]

01:20:27   fucking do what they want and I'm one of [TS]

01:20:28   those and I'm gonna be a badass and [TS]

01:20:31   people are gonna be like what the one [TS]

01:20:32   and I'm gonna Instagram the whole trip [TS]

01:20:34   her and fuck my my legends going to go [TS]

01:20:37   through the roof [TS]

01:20:39   look out when i put out a record a lot [TS]

01:20:42   of people are going to talk about it [TS]

01:20:43   they're gonna be like that's the fucking [TS]

01:20:44   guy that buys a Cadillac whatever he [TS]

01:20:46   wants we're always taking so long to buy [TS]

01:20:47   one and well and that's so then I'm like [TS]

01:20:50   that's a fuckin dumb idea and practical [TS]

01:20:54   and sitting in that sitting in that [TS]

01:20:56   hotel room like my path changed right if [TS]

01:21:00   I had gone the other way I wouldn't be [TS]

01:21:02   talking to you right now because I'd be [TS]

01:21:03   driving through the desert somewhere [TS]

01:21:04   with a you know when I probably at some [TS]

01:21:07   point started answering questions posing [TS]

01:21:10   in photos with children [TS]

01:21:11   yeah I get a turquoise belt buckle it'd [TS]

01:21:14   be like the opening scene of showgirls [TS]

01:21:16   you know there'd be some girl outside of [TS]

01:21:18   Las Vegas standing up there with your [TS]

01:21:20   thumb out I pullover be like what's up [TS]

01:21:22   baby you want to get into my Instagram [TS]

01:21:24   reality [TS]

01:21:26   getting this dancer not a whore haha [TS]