The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable number 187 marriage [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► welcome back to be uncomfortable i'm [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► your host Jason Snelling we're [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► reconvening our book club are ever [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► shifting membership of the book club the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► only person who is always with me for [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► the book club is Scott multi hi Scott [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► sorry I couldn't make it to the ages no [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► it's the ghost of Scott McDonnell it is [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► who doesn't read books coat that's a [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► shame well it was thank you for stopping [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► in to say you won't be here [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► his life model duplicate that way to his [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► John Smoltz who has been voicing our [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► radio dramas but hasn't been on because [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► usually he's not available when we [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► record but he's here and I can't read [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► and you can but your woman choosing a [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► book club episode to appear and was the [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► worst choice you could possibly a maid [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► always that with this is yeah yeah [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► also here he reads occasionally and [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► occasionally appears on the book club [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► especially if it's about the end of the [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► mm it's lex friedman hi likes hi how are [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► it's good to have you here I'm doing [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► fine better now that you're here i'll be [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► on any podcast that features John Smoltz [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► we should say you guys you fellows you [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► fellows have a podcast of your own [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► that's correct turning this car around [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► it's about driving it's about driving [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► when you're a dad and how you're [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► constantly threatening to turn the car [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► alright that's good I like that is [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► certain is there an age where that [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► starts the minute [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► yes the minute they can talk i think [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► people the minute they have desire to go [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► somewhere else and that voice you heard [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► was Lisa Schmeisser by the way [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► hi Lisa hi it's a pleasure to be here [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► it's good to have you think they don't [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► really understand what you're saying [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► until after they get back from college [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► yeah even if then gradually if then [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► 30-32 alright so we are all here to talk [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► about a relatively new book although it [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► has a little bit of a history it was a [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► posted on a website chapter by chapter [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► and then the author did a kindle edition [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► and that became [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► very successful and so then it got an [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► audio edition and a movie deal and a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► book deal and just recently came out as [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► a you know an officially published by a [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► big publishing company book which is I [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► feel bad I I should have my finger on [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► the pulse of this stuff and have read it [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► like two years ago and be able to scoff [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► and say back i read that one but no I i [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► just heard about it like a couple weeks [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► ago and it's called the Martian by a guy [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► named andy weir who is has a computer [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► science background is no is a you know [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► has also like to righties it's sort of [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► like a technology technology geek and [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► amateur rider who has become now the [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► author of this so widely while widely [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► published widely successful novel the [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► Martian yet he may be fabulously wealthy [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► now but his name still sounds a little [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► bit like underwear so I got that yeah [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► sorry anywhere it's across you have to [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► bear you should have chosen a pen name [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► but this is the pic pic might I suggest [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► Lex Friedman might I suggest a BVD fruit [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► of the loom [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► just a suggestion i love his work he is [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► fruit of the loom [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► man that guy could write me now you have [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► me wondering if he actually made more [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► money self-publishing then he would have [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► made the publishing house because the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► economics of getting published by [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► mainstream publisher much much different [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► and yeah yourself but he was selling it [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► for like ninety-nine cents and and like [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► I said that Mike I never heard they made [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► the activities fair there's like a huge [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► flat of self-published syfy out there so [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► unless you exactly unless you literally [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► spend all day doing nothing but but [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► checking blog posts and reading through [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► this stuff you wouldn't have known he'd [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► get a six-figure deal plus the movie [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► deal so I think he probably made the [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► right decision overall but you're right [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► that it's not always a slam dunk on the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► economic question [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► yeah i think the movie is going to kick [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► ass frankly i would hope so and thinks [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► will be great I so having enjoyed [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► gravity i was sitting you know reading a [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► book thinking well I I assume this has [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► already been optioned for a movie [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► because whoever has got this can pick I [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► mean the pitch is simple it's like [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► you're looking for the next gravity [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► I got it for you right here I don't know [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► why they have that accent [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► different plus mission to Mars was so [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► bad yeah and Andrea planet we throw that [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► in there do it was a dark time in our [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► nation's history because you guys have [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► all seen mission to Mars right [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► yes we're done she'll get stranded on [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► Mars no doubt so I hope and see if [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► there's a there's a long stupid sequence [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► of events involving Jerry O'Connell and [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► Van Halen okay lock long story short [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► long stupid sequence of events that lead [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► to jerry o'connell dance around it to [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► Van Halen 0g and then somehow John [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► she'll get ended it ends up stranded on [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► Mars and grows out our righteous afro in [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► a greenhouse [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► yeah that's pretty much what I remember [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► from the movie yep that's pretty much it [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► and so I was Andy weir was at the [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► authors at Google he gave a talk there [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► about his book and he talked about how [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► he just wanted to give the book away for [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► free and so it was on this website and [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► then people kept annoying him that they [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► wanted on their kindle and it's like all [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► right i'll put on the kindle and Amazon [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► wouldn't let him give it away for free [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► so he had to charge 99 cents and that's [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► the only wish I had this problem i wish [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► i had a problem with people banging down [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► my door in order to pay for my content [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► well maybe if you're an awesome book [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► about people getting stranded animal ya [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► like like that's going to that business [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► model [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► it's a proven winner so this this is an [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► interesting book I was trying to [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► describe to somebody and I I mean the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► elevator pitch obviously is Apollo 13 [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► meet meets castaway right because this [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► is about this is this is it reads like [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► Apollo 13 and that is a sort of [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► fact-based acceptance made up in fact [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► based approach to a mission to Mars [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► future historical fiction it's well it's [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► right i mean he tries to get the science [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► right he's in this book apparently came [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► out of him noodling on ideas about what [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► the science would be for a mission to [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► Mars and you can tell it's a very [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► technically oriented approach it'sit's [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the details of how the Houthis would've [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► worked and where they put the the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► refueling ships and the return vessel [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► and and how the whole thing is going to [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► work and I I thought that was really [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► interesting that he tries to take that [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► approach and then the Castaway example [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► is that he has a volleyball [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► no that's not it that he you know he [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► gets stranded and that's that's the plot [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► of the book is there's a dude on Mars [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► he's stuck there and his whole team [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► thinks he's dead so they leave and he's [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► all alone on the surface of Mars [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► how could he how in the world could he [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► survive and he works the problem using [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► science and that's you know again your [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► back to that Apollo 13 kind of thing [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► where it's really a lot of math yeah [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► there's a lot there there's there is a [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► lot of math he's plucky he's also a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► fortunate combination of skill sets [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► yeah that's what I was gonna gonna say [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► is Mark Watney this main character he is [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► literally the only person who could [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► serve hot [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► exactly exactly everybody else on the [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► team would be dead he is a botanist [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► engineer and pretty much when you [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► stranded on Mars it would be good to be [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► able to know how to try and grow some [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► food so you can survive and you have to [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► be an electrical engineer who can wire [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► things and fix things [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► yeah he's a mechanical engineer so you [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► don't write books about the other people [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► who treated Morris because they just die [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► right away in the morn [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► well there are combination blogger [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► nutritionist [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► i mean i-i so my time thinking of like [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► the most useless company should sent [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► into a panic but you know that will [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► night I do appreciate that almost [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► everybody out on his crew had some sort [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► of heavy engineering or computer science [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► background because it does make a lot of [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► sense that you have to have somebody who [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► can keep a really cool head and fix hard [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► mechanical stuff when they're there is [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► no but there's no IT department within [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► you know several hundred thousand miles [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► well their astronauts and astronauts are [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► trained to do that right so what they've [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► got and they do have to grow things [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► today I mean limited the the skill set [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► for people living on Mars has to be this [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► dovetailing of being an astronaut and [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► being you know having skills being a [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► settler kind of and having those skills [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► to did anybody else have like the [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► scholastic magazines in the classroom [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► growing up like that and yeah did you [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► remember like I think was GE that used [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► to do the fantastical ads in the back of [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► them where it was will have underwater [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► colonies and we'll know it was like they [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► yeah and I'm you have this dovetailing [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► with epcot center and i discovered [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► hydroponics like in fifth and sixth [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► grade and for about five or six years i [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► was hardcore set on becoming a space [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► botanist like I was convinced that if I [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► could just [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► study hydroponics and figure out a way [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► to create a softness self-sustaining [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► biome and some in a space the size of my [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► room like Shirley NASA would have to [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► recruit me and so reading this book like [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► totally brought back a whole flood of [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► like space crazy middle school memories [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► it was it was it was nice what was that [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► what was the old show that had like a [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► high that we had a hydroponics garden I [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► was keeping everybody alive which one [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► was that was that space 1999 or [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► something in that era there was that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► there was a shame i mean it was a row [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► they were always talking about the [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► hydroponics garden only ever showed the [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► hydroponics garden but the hydroponics [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► garden was keeping the whole crew alive [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► that was like one of the grace notes and [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► did anyone else hear to the movie [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► sunshine were the premise of the movies [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► they have to go drop a nuke into the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► sender restarted mrs. Sonia but I'm yep [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► that the hydroponics garden plays a huge [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► role in that movie too [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► and John I mr google tells me that it [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► was indeed space 1999 no I just day I [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► still hate gardening an actual soil that [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► you show me you can take that you look [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► like you show me a container or a raised [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► bed or a hydroponic system and I'm like [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► I can do this if it is practically a [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► spaceship at that point exactly yes just [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► i'll tell you the one thing because i [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► was thinking when I mean I don't know [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► anything about any of the science [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► involved so I was just willing to take [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► the authors word for it and marks i [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► guess and i started to feel like you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know you see the Apollo 13 connection [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► right away you see the Castaway [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► connection right away but it ended up [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► feeling to me the book more than [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► anything else like the TV series The the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► not great TV series Prison Break [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► oh god I recap that for television [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► without pity and everyone and every week [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► Michael Scofield had to like [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► jerry-rigged some sort of crazy world [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► but it's not just this generation rate [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► single school feels there and he's he's [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► he solved this seemingly insurmountable [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► problem and now they're going to be in [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► the clear but in the last minute of the [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► episode episode [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► oh crap now there's something even worse [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► it impossible unsolvable situation he's [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► clearly doomed and then next week he [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► solves it but that's that's the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► structure of the book because you know [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► they've NASA figures out like what the [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► first quarter that he's still alive and [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► then it instantly turns 20 crap we [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► obviously have to get them home so it's [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► not like man vs Man is your ultimate man [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► versus nature Balkans and and basically [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► those are nature has tried to [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► like my ass i have barely hung on and [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► lather rinse repeat for the next 20 [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► chapters yeah I definitely i used aside [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► from Apollo 13 and cast away at the [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► example i gave to several people was [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► it's kind of like a jack london novel [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► where you know instead of it the [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► frontier is space but it's like that you [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► know you're in Alaska and the the cold [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► is gonna make your fingers fall off if [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► you don't find shelter soon and it's a [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► little bit like bad that to that it is [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► it is man versus nature into the wild [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► into the wild with a happier ending [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► oh no it's I I absolutely disagree with [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► um here's haha you are wrong [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► no I do because Mike I've read that book [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► a couple of times i'm a big jon krakauer [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► fan because I kind of going vendors well [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► read that back to back with into thin [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► air sense crack hours fascinated by [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► extreme personalities who take man [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► versus nature 222 an edge and the point [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► that cracker makes over and over and [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► over is that Alexander Supertramp had no [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► effing idea what he was doing he was [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► basically under the impression he was [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► under the impression that he tap into [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► some like yungin subconscious that [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► teaches you how to live off the land and [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► he literally knew nothing about the the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► heat not only did he know nothing about [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► where he was going he also knew nothing [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► about how to react adverse circumstances [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► spoiler alert [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► we're what whereas what you find out [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► with Mark Watney is that he approaches [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► every problem and he's like here's what [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► I know about my situation here is how i [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► can find more information here is how [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► can respond to it like one has a [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► tremendous amount of respect for for [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► external Authority and and for external [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► knowledge and you here the authors say [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► here's all my research that backs it up [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► i don't know if i would agree that he [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► has a tremendous respect for external [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► Authority it's also fiction [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► now you cannot people stop it and use it [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► for for external for external knowledge [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► for people who have done research and [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► run the numbers which is one of the [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► great aspects of the book right is like [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► his his his disrespect is disrespect for [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► authority is fantastic people are [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► reading this oh yeah well you PS also [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► their sisters is my favorite moment of [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► the book I I like how they actually make [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► a point of saying it's probably why he [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► survived is because you know he [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► automatically he's comfortable being non [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► authoritarian and he's [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► comfortable being outside the boundaries [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► of of convention anyway and that way [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► he's not gonna fall to pieces the same [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► way that somebody who needs to be told [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► what to do well and that's why when he [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► ignores NASA later in the book and and [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► does some things that it doesn't want [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► him to do it is good that he does that [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► right i mean he gets used to making his [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► own decisions and that's mean and that [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► is that is why he survives is that he's [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► independent like that but it's also [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► funny I mean you want to have an [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► engaging personality and the fact that [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► this guy is is you know kind of waking [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► making jokes and he's a character and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and that gets you a long way because if [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► he was a really boring astronaut who is [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► very serious about his job that would be [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► a boring read a 10 at the same time you [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► kind of want to believe that this guy's [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► letting it rip [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► because he's probably gonna die anyway [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► and he's just trying to keep himself [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► saying so there's a good reason for that [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► it's the it's the sort of hook that lets [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► you believe that he's not completely [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► depressed because he's spending two [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► years by himself for watching every [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► seventies sitcom ever made and listening [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► to disco and look which I don't [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► understand why you know astronauts 10 [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► years in her future her and so obsessed [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► with seventies television was only one [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► astronaut needed to be right this is the [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► way people you know get into any weird [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► cultural period and make it there around [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► got Mykelti loves worker she wrote it's [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► it's true i also think it was easy i [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► think it was it was it was exciting dr. [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► find out here now to characterize [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► someone you know it was just so this is [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► the hard-ass military captain who has a [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► secret thing for dinner womp womp [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah just like our this is the [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► diminutive computer scientist who may be [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► turned into a cannibal of this mission [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► because ha ha yeah and it's also just [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► funny like having to deal with someone [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► else's idea of entertainment for you [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► know six months or however long you can [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► go through their library i have a hard [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► time believing though that this guy you [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► know or was it was hit that he brought [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► stuff and it was lost or what did he [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► just not bring entertain because I that [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► was what baffles me is like why doesn't [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► he have his own store of entertainment [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► for the flight out in the flight back [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► and instead he's left with these scraps [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► they maybe take it back with them as a [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► well you know mark mark love Monty [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► Python so what 17 minutes of Monty [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► Python every night or something I don't [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► know they wouldn't have known they were [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► losing marked when they were going [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► because they were evacuating right and [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► he got lost as on the way to the [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► whatever that evil and the RR whatever [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► its called [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► I thought there was some kind of [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► technical issue that lost whatever he [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► had but I don't remember it so I could [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► be wrong [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► yeah i mean it winds up being funny that [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► he's he's miserably you know powering [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► through every 70 sitcom and listen to [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► get my pic but if you know I i found [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► that kind of perplexing that he didn't [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► have his own store and maybe i just [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► missed where he said well I had it but I [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► watched it all and I'm tired of it and I [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► want something new or I I lack the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► foresight to pack enough stuff but she [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► packed every sitcom ever so I'm gonna [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► watch that I don't know my only [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► complaint about the book i really liked [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► it but I did not like the P narrative [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► context switching that happened or the [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► the I guess the cheating to make the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► narrative devices work sometime so you [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► know a lot of it is his own journaling [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► and I'll accept that he's got very [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► little to do on Mars when he's not [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► trying to survive so he can write in his [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► journal that's fine but when he has the [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► the really borderline end of his life [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► situation where he's in the compromised [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► airlock trying to live and it's verbal [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► journals right it'sit's transcription [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► his recordings that he made [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► I wasn't it really took me out of the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► stories and try to imagine i'm in the [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► situation i'm going to narrate the whole [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► thing for my future journaling purposes [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► I didn't like it out of much rather it [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► either context switch to the third [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► person or that he he wrote about it [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► later because i did not at all by that [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► he was narrating it [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► that's a very good logical point but it [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► never bothered me at all I tended Mary [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► to myself of them if I'm in the middle [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► of doing something unpleasant or but he [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► has to conserve oxygen like it's it's [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► extremely dangerous for him to keep [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► talking i crying curl up in a ball that [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► doesn't really conserve oxygen laughing [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► again again that's the story of how John [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► Smoltz died on Mars that's respect [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► but it's not different blood is good [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► very short not notice goodbye the you [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► know this is the literary equivalent of [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► the found-footage movie right it is an [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► epistolary essentially novel and I love [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► epistolary in-house to all I got so it's [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► it's a challenge to to break out of that [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► is it realistic I I thought you were [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► going to go another direction X because [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► that didn't that didn't confuse me or [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► frustrate me at all [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► the cutaways to earth while I I [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► appreciate the drama because you see [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► that they're searching for him and he's [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► searching you know for a way to to reach [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► them and that's all kind of connected [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► and it's and it actually is kind of a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► kick to realize that they're watching as [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► he does things they finally spot him but [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► still it's it's cheating because it's [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► not from his perspective and what's [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► worse [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► am I the only one who thinks it's got [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► all the characters on earth were [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► miserable but they weren't even human [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► beings because they were kind of like [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► two dimensional characters but they were [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► all jerks they were all just awful [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► people they were stock NASA bureaucrats [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► yeah i didn't i didn't feel like they [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► were jerks [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► you didn't say lyrics I didn't that the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► pr ladies a jerk [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► the manager is a jerk that the woman who [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► finds him is not a jerk [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► maybe it's just because I deal with a [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► lot of PR people but you know it's not [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► you know like I could totally hear [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► something our personal she was very [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► sarcastic but she wasn't happy about [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► reporters and this is my client that I'm [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► protecting and and i absolutely no PR [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► people like her where that the idea that [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► this is a human being trapped on Mars [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► like yes I'm very concerned but I'm more [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► concerned about is I have this pack of [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► jerkish reporters who need something [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► give it to me so i can give it to them [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► and that's that's how good PR people [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► work i didn't i didn't think they were [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► necessarily directly to think they were [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► one-dimensional character posturing [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► between bureaucrats reliably yeah [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► residents of flatland yeah and it's it's [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► it's the it's the cliché that the the [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► bureaucrat wants to do the the thing [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► that's gonna look better as opposed to [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► the thing that has a better chance of [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► actually succeeding guy just the whole [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► dynamic in the the the power [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► relationships and them arguing and and [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► the stuff they say yeah I never felt [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► that they were really character [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► there's and I i found most of them [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► unpleasant and I I thought it was a [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► liability of the book but the people on [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► earth where were all all ya work will [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► kind of awful and also flat I was really [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► touched by the Chinese researchers [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► actually because they were like we had [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► this national school and find finally [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► have an astronaut who's going on a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► mission but we sacrificed a lot of what [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► could've been her own good science for [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► this one guy and and the fact that they [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► point out that there's a huge price to [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► be paid but they're happy to pay it i [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► was really glad that it wasn't just as [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► one-dimensional last the glorious red [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► Republic will make into space but rather [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► it was like look we had all these [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► factors we we made this decision it cost [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► us a lot and I thought I thought it was [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► one of the few really poignant moments [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► in the book but but still the government [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► wouldn't have done it if they didn't get [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► a man on Mars [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► yeah right i mean i was ultimately [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► that's what the Chinese government went [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► floor is your you would somebody on the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► next mission and I appreciated that they [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► i actually appreciate the book went to [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► tremendous detail about the horse [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► trading in the pragmatism because it was [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► one thing to say let's get this guy home [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► but you know that everybody and every [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► step of the way is going to protecting [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► their own fiefdom in their own ass and [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► so they also talked about here all the [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► things that had to happen in order for [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► everybody to feel like they were doing [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► the right thing and not risk too much [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► you know when you think about it there [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► was a remark but there was a remarkable [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► lack of risking getting this guy home [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► like the funding was magically lined up [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► public opinion was apparently still all [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► oh my god we've got to bring the sky [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► home as opposed to the 8000 blogs / [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► sprung up all their spending this much [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► brand him when you rebuilding to try or [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► or like whatever and instead i wasn't [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► really good blogger voice by the way [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► that sound like that they do they do [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► it's a blog quickly and this would have [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► this would have taken place about the [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► same time that Robocop would have taken [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► place so Detroit is probably a good [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► energy that's what did you know after i [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► read the book within two weeks yourself [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► arstechnica published an article about a [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► a hypothetical mission to rescue the [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► astronauts on the Columbia and it was [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► very similar and it was based on you [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► know a project that NASA was tasked with [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► when they were doing [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► their investigation after the Columbia [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► Shuttle disaster and so it was you know [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► they talked about all the things that [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► have to go right all the corners that [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► would have had to be cut and the [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► different you know though the way the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► rescue mission would have gone it was [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► very similar really bright red I mean [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► still didn't happen not at all reality [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► but you can't even read that article [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► without getting caught up in the dream [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► of my out maybe they're going to save [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► these people who you already know have [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► died but yet very similar so i just [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► wanna probably worth the show no Jason [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah i agree and that's good good [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► piece and and that is the flavor of this [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► right i mean i think i think if there's [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► a criticism to be made of the the way [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► this book is is written it is it is [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► obsessed with technical details it is it [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► is the transcript of an engineer on Mars [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► trying to figure out the technical [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► issues that will allow him to stay alive [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it is that this is this is a book that [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► is telling me it's more than this but [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► you can tell that what this book is [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► about how do you solve the problem of [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► what happens if a guy is a trap is [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► trapped on Mars and and what in a larger [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► standpoint how do you you know how would [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► the manned Mars missions be set up to we [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► in great detail because there aren't [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► sort of hand waving solutions here it's [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► all all the solutions are you know based [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► on well this is how it would work and [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► then this might happen and then how [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► would you deal with that and I guess you [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► know I liked it but I also could [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► appreciate the criticism of somebody who [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► says you know I i wanted it I wanted [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► more story and less technical detail [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► about how to fix my spacesuit on Mars [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► because i am not going to Mars and don't [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► own a spacesuit but it doesn't go into I [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► don't think it goes into annoying detail [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► i mean the the detail is only a couple [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► paragraphs long another about my [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► criticism of some other science fiction [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► books just the at in which this book [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► does not do at all is the long boring [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► descriptions of the sweeping majesty of [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the Martian Plains and he does not waste [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► a single word on any of that he doesn't [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► waste a lot of words about stringing [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► together resistor so he can change the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► average of the electricity friend the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► habitat to whatever his drill is using I [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► think he's I still think he's much [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► more compact and is writing I mean and I [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► think that's why i was able to tear this [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► book and a couple of days because he he [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► will do that for a few paragraphs but [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► I've I've rather books that go on for [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► pages but I I felt like it was the right [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► amount of Monte multi-year I felt like [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► it was you know enough to show that he [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► would like you wanted to be believable [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► and it felt very grounded in reality [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► whether it was legit or naughty I mean [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► it's their turns out he did a ton of [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► research but and all that stuff is is at [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► is based as is also related to the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► action [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► it has it as actual critical input into [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► what is going on as opposed to Mars for [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► years it has lain understood the natives [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► colored farts ooh yeah-yeah-yeah also [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► good that there's no there are no [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► indigenous Martian life that's that's [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► also i think i'm also a plus know it's a [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► you get the feeling that it's real signs [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► I I I never felt that the I never felt [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► that that the the technical detail [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► overwhelm the story where I was tapping [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► my you know tapping my feet and being [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► like come on come on back to the story I [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► felt at a few points I I I started to [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► wonder is this too much detail but then [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► it would seem to be timed fairly well I [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► just I i think that some people don't [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► want to read a book with this kind of [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► technical detail even at the level that [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► it is they would I guess rather have the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► you know majesty of the vistas as he's [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► traveling but instead this is definitely [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► perspective of this guy and he's very [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► focused on his goals and so we are we [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► don't get that there are a few moments [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► where he says right i took a moment to [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► appreciate this thing that I saw but you [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► know he's really focused on staying [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► alive and figuring out what you know [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► problems he needs to solve to get to his [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► destination the thing that was hardest [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► for me to understand of the science was [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► probably because i'm stupid was the the [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► big giant sack of nuclear energy that he [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► was toting around every once awhile stay [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► warm i think quite understand how that [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► all works i was glad it worked that's [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► how space probes like that's not like [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► the Voyager and a bunch of space probes [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► they have the that's how they stay with [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► their electronics active is they've got [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► isotopes that decay and emit heat and so [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it you know [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► you wouldn't want to do that around [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► people necessarily but it actually does [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► keep things warm so that's a real that's [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► a real thing I believed it [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► it was very funny because he's like [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► don't break don't break don't break [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► don't break he's like well I'm dead if I [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► can't use this but I'm also dead if it [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► breaks so let's be careful but i'm gonna [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► use it you did he buries it's funny [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► because he he digs it up because they [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► buried it because people shouldn't be [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► around it and they use for a little [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► while and he goes and puts it back and [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► like berries that he can take over it [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► and then he has to get out third time [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► but that's a real that's a real thing [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► i'm imagining that you know his overall [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► life span is short from his radiation [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► exposure but still all right [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► yeah well it's longer than what it would [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► have been right now and Mars has a [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► thinner atmosphere than earth does [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► anyway so he got more doses of radiation [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► anyway so although it's further away [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► that is true from the Sun we should get [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► anywhere to calculate out his lifetime [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► radiation exposure [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► hi Betty Betty already has probably [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► bought a blog post somewhere with the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► with the details anywhere hehe was he is [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► uh I was so i watch this google talk [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► that he gave where he was demonstrating [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► the application that the program that he [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► wrote that calculated all the orbits of [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► all of the spacecraft to make sure that [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► would all work and where Mars would be [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► when Andy when a the different things [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► happened on the different days and he [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► knew every day [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► oh dude he knows side five hands no no [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► sci-fi family owes its yes because you [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► you realize of course that you can't [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► read a book like this without having a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► thousand space nerds fact-checking you [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► and say the suspect doesn't work because [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► XYZ and and do some bloggers I think [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► that's another ministry always do they [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► are bloggers hi things raises a larger [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► issue is how much of your fandom comes [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► down to being able to enjoy the theory [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► the idea of something and how much of [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► your fandom comes down to be able to [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► enjoy the accuracy or the the verity of [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► it well this book obviously came from [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► the came from the facts i mean i really [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► believe that he didn't work all the I [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► mean he may have he may have checked his [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► work at the end but i think most of the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► work in this book is upfront that he was [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► curious about how it would work and then [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► thought well i could write this in a [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► story and I love [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► I mean that's why I that's why i love [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► Apollo 13 in the book that the movie was [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► based on and the fact that the book and [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► the movie was but anyway uh huh I like [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► that because i would probably read a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► straight-up novel about the technical [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► all the technical details and the [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► interpersonal issues of sending people [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► to Mars and back even if there was no [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► disaster and somebody was left behind [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► I would probably eat that up just [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► because it's I think that's one of the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► valuable things that science fiction can [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► do is make you think what would it be [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► like if we went to Mars what would the [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► details be how would the people react to [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► it you don't necessarily even need a [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► disaster but in this case we get that [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► but we still get all of those great [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► details and that was that was fun I [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► realized that that's not for everybody [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► but I love being able to imagine you [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► know okay if we're going to go to Mars [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► in the next 50 years [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► how would we do that and then tell a [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► story based on that which the sort of [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► his time to take a break and let me tell [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► you about our sponsor its new relic new [TS]

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00:30:35 ◼   ► software is incredibly complex how [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► complex the back in the old days say [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► 2008 it was basically impossible for an [TS]

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00:30:47 ◼   ► performing once it got shipped [TS]

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00:30:52 ◼   ► remember that you do internal bug hunts [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you cross your fingers and ship it you [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► hope for the best [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► and then you just wait for people to [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► yell at you right you wait on twitter [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► you an email you wait on the app stores [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► and hope that people don't yell at you [TS]

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00:31:55 ◼   ► my inner Carl second and for sponsoring [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the incomparable one thing that I [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► thought was well done was how attempted [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► to reflect the tediousness of some [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► things without trying to say i think [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► with the goal wasn't to make reading it [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► boring but to reflect this is extremely [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► time-consuming just there [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► the initial way that he starts [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► communicating with NASA where they and [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► he has to have to divide the systems on [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► his own because they haven't any [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► messages to him at first just I don't [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► know I found all that I could imagine [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► how painful and slow the correspondence [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► was at first you know rotating the the [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► thing telescope whatever lies and I i [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► appreciated their hit the I appreciated [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► Weir's skill and doing that at it you [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► know and he put in all the effort to [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► building up his garden covers the entire [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► thing with oil and then eventually it's [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► all screwed i like that i like i like [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► the suffering alongside him Jason [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► highway 20 30 60 hours ago you and I [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► were talking about the the context [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► switching your big complaint was that [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► the characters on earth didn't seem [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► super well-defined and/or they were all [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► jerks [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► yeah the only time that really bothered [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► me in that fight because I mean I didn't [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► want to hear part of the story from [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► Earth and I don't know how else could [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► have done it [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► yeah i agree i it's cheating [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► and I I'll allow it because it was it [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► was good [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the chief that I did not think added [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► anything the story and took me out even [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► more was the unnecessary backstory of [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► the piece of fabric or whatever that [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► ends up failing that one yes yes yes I'm [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► sure he was going for but i did not [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► inform me at all [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► it felt very tom clancy ish to be honest [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► with you or you're like I've done [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► research [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► no because tom clancy's books are like [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► that to wear in order to find out how [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► some how some porthole figures he takes [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► you into like the life story of the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► architect and the tensile strength of [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► tungsten infused whatever and and and [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► and this was this had a lot going [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► forward to where where it was like okay [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► we we get these parts are made in such a [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► way but if you have to do it for all of [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► them or or you kind of have to cut that [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► out and say look sometimes stuff just [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► happens in both the handshaking book man [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► in the moon which is what from the earth [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► to the moon the HBO series was based on [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► and in the the book that Apollo 13 was [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► based on there are sections like that [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► which is low you know essentially here's [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► what probably happened why the explosion [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► happened on Apollo 13 or why the apollo [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► 1 deaths happen right and then it's like [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► well there is this and this and Apollo [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► 13 it's like there was a spark and it [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► was probably this thing and it was [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► probably just something wrong here and [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and like the challengers o-rings right [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► you can actually draw that line back to [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► this tiny tiny detail that cascades all [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the way to having this disaster and [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► that's totally what he was going for and [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► it certainly builds up the tension in a [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► way right where it's like a boy [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► something Bad's gonna happen oh jeez [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► what's it gonna be [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► right right you know another thing is [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► gonna feel right but you know not it [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► doesn't happen with any of the other [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► things and it was yeah i agree it seemed [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► it seemed weird not a place i was gonna [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► say the flipping back and forth I think [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► works and many other instances and in [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► particular and thinking when they first [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► realized that he had for comedic effect [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► or when you first realize that he's [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► still alive and and they think oh my god [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► i can only wonder what he's thinking and [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► I don't want to run up but he's but he's [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► making something absolutely ridiculous [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► is that they keep anything at all about [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► why [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► oh my god I can't believe those jerks [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► left me here [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► no he's watching you know Gilligan's [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► Island reruns [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► yeah that was a great getaway i love it [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► that way [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's funny it's funny I [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► don't want to make it seem like this is [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► what we're talking about is some you [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► know engineering nerds fantasy about a [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► trip to Mars [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► I mean it is that but it's not just that [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► and it's not like there are pages of so [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► please consult in the back of the book [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► you'll find several appendices and some [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► diagrams of how it's not like that it [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► could be like that but it's not he does [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► show a lot of his work but it's funny [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► the character is very amusing because he [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► says all sorts of crazy stuff because he [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► is kind of entertaining himself and he [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► doesn't care anymore and that comes out [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► in the voice and you know I its strong [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► I i think i could see how some people [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► might think that it was a little forced [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► but I enjoyed it I felt like this guy is [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► just a character he just not only are we [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► lucky that he's a botanist and an [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► engineer but we're also lucky that he's [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► got a very wacky personality because it [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► wouldn't be much of a book even if he [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► had the other two things you can do all [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► these task competently he was boring [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► wouldn't be much of a book [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► why would why would you write that book [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► so I think if you've got a high schooler [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► who is taking either chemistry or [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► physics you it [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► lob them this book because it's a nice [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► what struck me was how how much of a [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► natural teacher where is a writer and [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► how he walks you through well thanks to [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► this property this is how this has to [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► work and so I'm counting on XYZ and all [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► the chemical reactions he'd details in [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► trying to make water and and trying to [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► Jerry regardless different solutions you [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► could probably sit down with somebody [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► who's to was grasping basic training [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► grass basic chemistry basic physics and [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► go okay look this is your real life [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► example it's better than a word problem [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► and this will probably help you grasp a [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► lot better than sitting in class some [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► reading through your textbook so it's [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► one of those books that makes you feel [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► smarter just really do have it doesn't [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► make sense [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► oh it is a fact yeah yeah there's a [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► crazy number of things that sort of [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► interweave and some of them are 42 it [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► you know a deliberately fortuitous I'm [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► sure but just like the fact that he can [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► make soil because he's using his own [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► poop as and it's ok to use his own poop [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► as well as the poop of the other [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► astronauts that's been out [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► that you know throughout the door [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► because all their bacteria is dead but [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► it's still good organic matter that i [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► can use and i'm already my-my bacteria [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► is already in me so I can eat my own [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► bacteria and i happen to have [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► thanksgiving potatoes and energy s7000 [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► this thing that think the fact that [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► against the world against the potatoes [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► is delightful but not if there's a lot [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► less botany in there compared to the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► other stuff but you know i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► it's because people like well I really [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► don't care about I pulled Mia's genre [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► says it is a genus you it was a lot less [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► but need any other stuff however a lot [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► more botany the most books i read a [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► hundred percent or bought me this was a [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► heavy bunny heavy i would say in but yes [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► with a more heavy with that with [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► electrical engineering and other kinds [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► of engineering and as well as all the [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► astrophysics that goes into it this [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► anybody else find it hard to believe [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► that CNN would have a lost an astronaut [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► today show every day that would be [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► successful in any way i had i find it [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► hard to believe that CNN is on in 10 [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► years yeah that's my that was the one [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► that was the biggest obstacle to believe [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► for me and again like i said i find it [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► really hard to believe that ever was a [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► hundred was uncritically behind this all [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► we've got to get the stranded astronaut [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► home [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► I mean I realized that for the people [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► who are working at NASA that they don't [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► have time for the haters and i'm certain [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► that the guy who's on Mars like the last [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► thing he's concerned about his public [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► opinion but they like even people at [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► NASA they lose i mean not only do the [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► Chinese lose their mission the people at [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► NASA lose a mission to Mars as a part of [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► this because I gotta send the same team [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► back around again to get them but I i [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► absolutely believe that the people from [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► NASA or what it would want to get him [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► back for the most of the wood i think [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► that it's I don't think that you have to [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► accept that nobody is complaining about [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► the fact that they're rescuing this [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► mission but I I'm willing to accept that [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► i don't have to spend any time with a [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► book on them since i'm also you know [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► rooting for the guy who live on Mars [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► yeah as as somebody who actually loves [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► the movie contact i will say i was [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► actually grateful that we didn't have [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► the the senator played by Garry [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► Shandling who says we're spending [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► several billion dollars here on this and [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► it's just one man why don't we just have [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► another mission and you know one man's [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► life it certainly is is worth something [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► but it's not worth billions of dollars [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► and then he met he has imagined [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► patients behind the scenes to try to get [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► them to cancel the mission and at the [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► last minute somebody has a UH a touching [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► emotional response and realizes that [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► damn it we can't leave that man on Mars [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► and they decide i was kind of happy not [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► to have to go through that whole [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► rigmarole right i would have liked to [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► have seen a little bit more political or [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► media theater because again we live in [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► such as we live in such sharply [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► polarized and I an oppositional culture [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► that again the minute that this guy [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► it's discovered that he stranded on the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► moon you're going to have a thousand [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► people and this is why science doesn't [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► work and you're going to have more [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► people who talk about ethics and and and [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► everybody's going to you take that issue [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► as a cute mouse their own personal hobby [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► horse and ride the point to the ground [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► and then Matthew McConaughey steps from [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► the side and says let's talk about the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► spiritual aspects of this know you're in [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► the wrong movie get back to contact [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► gonna get back i feel like this nation's [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► in a place where we will receive any [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► message that Matthew McConaughey times [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► to go yeah it's true that the rescue [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► mission to me didn't feel dissimilar [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► from other movies or books about rescue [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► missions that are more military focused [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► where you don't usually see well let's [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► not go in and rescue the know it's late [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► leave no man behind right exactly and so [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► it felt the same mentality that night [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► totally I mean if you accepted CNN's on [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► the air which i get is probably the [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► biggest science fiction leave in the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► book but I I totally did except they [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► would have a daily show really only [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► thing we try things will be 24 hours of [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► it you know we're recording this when [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► there's you know up a plane that is [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► presumed crash that nobody can find and [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► it's all that its office on CNN all day [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► yeah i just think people get tired of [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► him after after a while but you know I [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► don't know I was jealous of him a little [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► bit once it was it seems like he's gonna [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► probably do ok I was jealous of them for [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► sure what all the hard part was done [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► although actually no because then he [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► gets so at the end I'm like okay we're [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► going to fight we kind of been nice [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► without the spoilers but i'm going to [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► fire off the spoiler for now [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► the inn in the end right he has to strip [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► the rich the return vehicle from the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► next mission he has to drive all this [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► way and get there has to strip it to [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► make it as light as possible and it's [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► like full holes and he's gonna be aiight [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► into i'm imagining like one of the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► little rocket ship rides at Disneyland [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► where there's not even a seatbelt and [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► it's just the centrifugal force to keep [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► you down and that seems great because [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► physics or is on your side but then it [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► starts spinning and you're like oh my [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► god I'm gonna get thrown out i'm gonna [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► die or is that just me [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► so this is that it so he's never he's [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► never safe right he's like even to the [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► end it's like oh here we go again [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► and although i didn't feel like it was [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► episodic like prison break we're [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► literally every step that would be a new [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► challenge [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► there were they were interspersed at the [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► end it was like oh man [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► nothing can be easy for this guy at all [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► so he had his harrowing harrowing [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► journey all the way to the last page of [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► this book [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► yeah but they're spread over like 18 [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► months or whatever however i can i'm not [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► even sure how long is it spread over a [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► long period of time when you think about [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► it I just think it's funny that at the [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► end he you know it's just one last kick [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► in the pants yes yes right [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► plus he is on an alien planet [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► this is true and he's got a tarp over [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► the top of his uh his rocket ship [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► I was actually like all the one that the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► storm first came up and everyone on [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► earth [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► his mom is like oh crap he's heading [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► straight to stormy is no idea like i had [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► to go put down the book and take a [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► moment to collect myself because I was [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► like oh my god no no there's a storm [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► coming for him and how will you no will [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► he notice that's that's effective raw [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► materials like there's a big storm i [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► hope he notices we can talk to him and [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► then you're watching him and you're like [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► come on figure it out figure it out [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► I i just said I'm sure he'll figure out [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► some convoluted engineering way to do it [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► oh he did and now here's here's a [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► detailed explanation [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► well he drove in one direction for a [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► while and I had to be careful when I [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► read this book because like I would just [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► get so tense for him and I was like well [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► it's gonna work apically I doubt people [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► be reading about booking like and then [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► he died 50 yards from the ship that was [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► going to save him be [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► I mean this isn't a Cormac McCarthy book [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► so it'll be fine then but I i did have [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► this debate over whether I [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► wanted him to deliver not and or you [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► know I felt just a moment no no I mean I [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► liked him i wanted him to live in [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► general but i just i was thinking for [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► the good of the story I think what seems [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► to me that he's clearly going to live [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► because that's very even write the book [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► and then have the guy diet and he's gone [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► through so much but I I don't know I [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► jason said he felt like you know up [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► until the last page things are hard for [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► me but I felt towards the end it [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► actually suddenly was surprisingly easy [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► like oh geez i think this way she was [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► walking part that I've you know taking [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► all the parts out of and I I feel like [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► this is never going to work with like [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► everything kind of goes fine during the [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► rescue [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► there's there's there's hiccups but they [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► they rescue him and I I i don't know i [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► wanted something bad to happen to him at [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► least that was beyond just my niece's [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► are Mars i'll right i'll i thought you [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► losing art that's exactly what it is I [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► thought that when he wear an ipad i [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► thought that the army yet on the [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► spacesuit incident should have been [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► foreshadowing that he was gonna end up [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► losing an arm was like I felt like he [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► should have some long-lasting visible [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► star from his journey like I I didn't [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► think he was gonna die at the end I did [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► wonder at one point he was gonna die in [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► the middle and then we're going to have [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► many chapters detailing what happens to [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► get body at the space just like em and [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► then the eyes begin to cave in on [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► themselves and then the bacteria in his [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► gut right and just like an incredible [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► technical details so Scott I'm sensing [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► from you a little bit of hostility [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► toward no hostile toward the lu you seem [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► skeptical about the use of all of the [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► technical details that you you are not [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► as enthusiastic matters as as some i [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► will say that i read the book in like [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► three hours it was certainly what this [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► is not showing off its should I I know [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► how to read and it's a very good huh [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► unlike me unlike me which is fair which [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► is fair i admitted that early on dearie [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► diagonally Scott I do not read i finally [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► it's very fast-paced it is it is a fat [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► already it's obvious you know man vs [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► mars it's very engaging but without that [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► tension i feel like a the technical [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► detail is almost to the point where it [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► overwhelms the entire story [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► it certainly there is almost no [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► characterization in this book other than [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► the main character mark and even he is [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► kind of a cartoon the astronauts that [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► are on the rest of his team are [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► certainly cartoons the the NASA people [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► are even cartoons [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► I mean and so I think the biggest [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► character in the book is probably the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► ingenuity of market as opposed to his [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► actual characterization is that is that [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► a problem with the book [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► no I i liked it but I didn't think it [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► was like mind-blowing Lee great and as i [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► was reading it I thought this would be a [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► much better movie i think than a book [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► I'm reading which is not a problem [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► obviously and people like the book [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► that's fine [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► they're just wrong but haha i would say [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► it was super fun as opposed to [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► mind-blowing Lee great it was fun and I [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► completely agree that he is and this is [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► one of the points about about him like I [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► mean I think anybody who is who is by [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► themselves for that period of time is [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► going to fall into a deep depression and [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► he does not show any sign mean at one [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► point you think he says that he misses [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► talking to people when the [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► communications breakdown but he you know [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► he doesn't really show that in his and [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► his words because he's constantly [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► cracking jokes so it it does not that [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► does not ring true to me as as far as [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► real people go and I mean that's a lot [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► of fun i also is so it started off as [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► kind of a serial thing and I think that [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► that see realized story and I think that [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► come through i'm certain that the [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► publisher has done a great job of [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► editing it again but I did feel a little [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► repetition about hey remember that thing [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► I did four pages ago which would make [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► sense if it were a serial but it is in [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► fact a novel that I read so I don't need [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► to be reminded of what you just told me [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► the guy i agree i I had fun reading it [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► and and 21 [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► we'll talk about this when we shift over [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► to wonder what are we reading I'd read [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► another book after this that i thought [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► was a much much better book but that [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► book was more much more of a struggle to [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► get through and I could only read so [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► much of it at a time and this I [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► absolutely inhaled it I mean it was it [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► was super fast and fun and there's a [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► place for that [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► in in in in books I really every so [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► often especially if you're like on a [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► beach or something right you you want [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► you want those books that are just fast [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► and enjoyable and they pull you through [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► the story and it's a fun ride and this [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► was that I did Scott have those feelings [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► that that I have from time to time when [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► i'm reading a book where I'm like yeah [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► this i knew i could practically start [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► casting the movie right [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I think this is a great fun it's a fun [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► book but it will make a good movie or [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► should exactly and I think there are [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► different reasons for people different [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► reasons three different things and this [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► is a fine book to read it's not a you [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► know a work of literature or a [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► staggering it hasn't changed my life in [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► any way but it was a lot of fun [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► could I have lived not reading it [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► probably am I glad I did [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► sure there's a small chance that you [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► couldn't have lived if you hadn't read [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► it so whenever I if if I become stranded [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► on Mars i will probably still just died [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► immediately he quickly there's no way [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► I'm surviving that button [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► Sam Rockwell sam rockwell know ya know [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► he was moving listening [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► yeah he was on the because every even a [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► spaceship is not allowed another one [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► no right without Bruce Willis anybody [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► know I actually think I think I think [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► the casting rules if you've already made [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► one shitty space movies and you're not [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► allowed to be all ready my God we're [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► going to work it's probably Cooper I'm [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► gonna I'm gonna read from together oh my [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► god [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► so we disagree on the casting yeah what [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► about you [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► I I'm hearing a lot of bad-mouthing of [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► the characterizations of many of the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► non-lead characters not Mar characters i [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► was impressed and surprised by how funny [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► at least one of his crewmates was in the [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► winning when he cocked and then the one [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► of the women from the crew in theory is [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► I am him or emailing him that when he [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► gets to the shape she's going to ravish [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► him and make passionate love to him and [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► then she's like of course no i didn't [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► type that was you know one of the other [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► crewmates instead I thought that crew [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► made who typed on behalf of the woman I [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► thought that was pretty fine [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► yeah it's nice that it's nice that they [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► had some rapport no no it shows that [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► it's that NASA is full of hilarious [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► people who go to the godaddy.com missed [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► astronaut jokesters [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► does anybody believe that NASA is full [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► of really hilarious people i do actually [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► I used to I used to know I need I used [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► to babysit for a physicist who worked at [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► NASA Langley and he was one of the [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► funniest guys ever knew [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► ok ya know this is no like this is back [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► in the eighties and like he and his wife [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► were big into yoga and he played a [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► trombone as a hobby she was a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► theoretical mathematician and like I [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► never letting him on a long-duration [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► spaceflight names Riker know hehe was [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► not in fact like i was i was 14 and he [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► handed me his collection of kurt [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► vonnegut he was like here read this [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► you'll really enjoy it and you know he [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► was a really funny guy used to voices I [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► just mindprint to be honest my [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► impression was that nasty water voice [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► with my impression was like NASA was a [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► little as a laugh riot with slide rules [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► of you did it because that's all I now [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► probably since I was a mixture of comedy [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► and tragedy if they're slide but it [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► didn't add but but many of them are I [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► mean many of them in the book are [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► missing throw ups and that didn't seem [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► out of character for out of her unlikely [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► i can't remember the name of the [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► scientists of the of the mathematician [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► was asked to calculate one route and was [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► like now wait I think I'll do something [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► completely different and if you don't [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► remember his name now any torture [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► well that's because his basic function [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► was I a math nerd and i'm going to nerd [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► on some math now and and that was pretty [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► much like every character is the author [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► essentially now I like the astronauts [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► who were who had left behind in that we [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► got a little bit more idea of what their [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► dynamic was I end I when I wanted a [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► little more of how miserable it would be [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► to shut up to be shut up in a ship like [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► that with those people for so long but [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► there was some of that it was that the [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► NASA people that are the ones who [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► bothered me because I found them kind of [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► unpleasant but you know that's fine i [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► just i felt the book was much stronger [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► when it was in space [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► what more should we say before we move [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► on to what are we reading does anybody [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► else have any anything they want to [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► bring up about the Martian before we [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► move on just that it's incredibly quick [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► read [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► I mean I guess we've said that several [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► times but you know if you're on the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► fence [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► it's not like you're making a big [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► commitment [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► it's a great airplane book it's all yeah [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► yeah sure like to [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► I knocked it off in about five hours [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► yeah yeah i mean as long as you're ok [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► with it's not just that you can read it [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► quickly but you're motivated to its you [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► know you want to know what's going to [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► happen and you're not you don't have to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► spend a lot of time puzzling out [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► people's motives or frankly if you're on [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► the fence and you've listened to this [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► part of the podcast your jerk and you [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► don't you have already spent about half [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► its you know what's gonna happen now [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► don't bother reading in fact don't don't [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► read it if you haven't read on your this [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► parts don't forget you don't deserve to [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► you don't deserve the Martian well a [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► thousand bloggers rise up in opposition [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► I think this podcast is fair [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► Oh relax and I both suggested you don't [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► deserve the Martian as the title we have [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► this one like it when followed right [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► after all right let's move on then [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► so I I mean we'll liked it enough to say [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► other than having listen this far to the [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► spoiler horn and Lex's if you listen [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► this far and you haven't read it you're [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► terrible person you shouldn't but [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► generally we would say we you know you [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► read it was fun [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► your life doesn't depend on it that's [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► got quite rightly pointed out you will [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► not die a lesser person if you don't [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► read it but it's fun it's a lot of fun [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► if you like space stuff i love space [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► stuff if you like space stuff it's [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► fantastic for that it's a lot of fun and [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► it is it is quick [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► you're not going to labor it reading it [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► is quick and fun sound by right [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► yes yes yes Scott looking great [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► yes very well know it was it was fun i [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► just say yeah it's not it's not a [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► fantastically moving work of literature [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► doesn't stand up to a lot of scrutiny so [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► I'm saying I mean the technical factors [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► do but the the craftsmanship of the book [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► itself is not yeah blog posts from an [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► astronaut fake fictional astronaut [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► alright let's move on to what i like to [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► do at the end of the book club which is [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► asked what we're reading or her [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► or have read recently this is always [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► good to see what other things are people [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► are reading rather than you know just [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► talking about the book that we talked [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► about so what are we reading Lex are you [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► reading anything else or did it is this [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► your book for the year [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► no I you I I don't watch movies but I [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► read a lot of i read a lot of books i [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► read it i read a book every night before [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► I mean I don't bow i read i do my [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► reading it right before i go to sleep [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► and so some nights it's like two pages [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► at a time because then I fall asleep but [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► the Martian was one that buck that trend [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► so the book i read before the Martian [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that i enjoyed this from 2007 by laura [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► lippman called what the dead know it's a [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► actually a very compellingly written a [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► mystery you have a woman who claims to [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► be the long-lost abducted girl from a up [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► the ad abduction of young sisters from [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► many many years ago in Baltimore and she [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► says that she's one of the sisters and [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► she watched her sister's murder and [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► explains where she's been the whole time [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► and people have to try to figure out if [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► she is who she says she is it was really [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► good and then the book that I'm in right [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► now you can date boys when you're forty [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► dave barry on parenting and other topics [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► he knows very little about by dave barry [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► it's really good i woke up my wife [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► laughing out loud to the book and that's [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► always a good sign [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► Wow Dave Dave Barry not not cutting edge [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► funny not coming as you have any [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► Garfield treasuries that you're also [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► teaches this is a plan i'm just came out [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► did this book you can date boys when [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► you're forty was released on march forth [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► well because they're very had a daughter [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► with like his second wife so yeah you [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► know it's like his fourth wife but yes [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► but don't marry Dave Barry at this this [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► is my text messages this morning [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► that's what really wow yeah I they [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► buried the person who maybe want to be a [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► writer so I read all of his books on [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► Anna he's funny [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► don't marry Dave Barry a guide to [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► marriage but with a very finite very day [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► berries guide to marriage [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► I can't believe you gave me the [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► Garfield's there's a brand new book [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► hey you know I had to I had to gene [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► Shalit also has a new book at you should [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► also okay that's a lie [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► if you like writing it's the right [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► choice [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► good luck thank you my pleasure John [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► Smoltz what are you reading [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► I to two books i'm in the middle of two [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► books right now what is the castle [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► gambit by MC plant which is a science [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► fiction book which I'm enjoying my it's [TS]