Roderick on the Line

Ep. 110: "The Dignity Police"


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00:00:23   hello hi John hi Merlin is going all man [TS]

00:00:31   take a look at my life [TS]

00:00:33   normal ah like you [TS]

00:00:37   mmm-mmm-mmm right mm-hmm is a sports [TS]

00:00:42   writer what Neil Young's father he was a [TS]

00:00:46   Canadian sports writer didn't know that [TS]

00:00:48   yes yeah well I'm not sure why he would [TS]

00:00:51   tell his dad about me someone to love [TS]

00:00:54   the whole night through but there's [TS]

00:00:57   Canada you know there are very [TS]

00:00:58   disclosing people hard to know what you [TS]

00:01:00   supposed to tell your dad [TS]

00:01:02   oh god that neil young though I think [TS]

00:01:07   about him a lot [TS]

00:01:08   yeah what do you think about well you [TS]

00:01:10   know he is one of those he is very [TS]

00:01:15   affecting i totally agree [TS]

00:01:17   he is one of the songwriters in my very [TS]

00:01:19   small canon of people that I just go [TS]

00:01:23   whatever you do is okay by me and and I [TS]

00:01:29   think I was embarrassed a little bit [TS]

00:01:31   when he became sort of a grunge cause [TS]

00:01:33   celeb for a slab was he already in your [TS]

00:01:37   pants down at that point 0 from the [TS]

00:01:39   moment I heard him [TS]

00:01:40   yeah you know like back in the seventies [TS]

00:01:42   I was like what is that team in sound I [TS]

00:01:46   used to have really mixed feelings when [TS]

00:01:48   i was at that kind of high school age [TS]

00:01:50   when I first was exposed to a lot of [TS]

00:01:52   young i have mixed feelings because I [TS]

00:01:53   would think every song plays on acoustic [TS]

00:01:55   guitar sounds so pretty and then he does [TS]

00:01:57   that weird one no guitar solo and now I [TS]

00:01:59   think it's pretty genius [TS]

00:02:00   uh yeah I thought I I wasn't so sure [TS]

00:02:05   about the 1i get a 10 guitar solo but [TS]

00:02:07   but then I started playing one note [TS]

00:02:11   guitar solos through and they are great [TS]

00:02:15   fun to play really fun but but yeah you [TS]

00:02:20   know the the moment of real conversions [TS]

00:02:24   for me with Neil Young was nineteen [TS]

00:02:28   eighty maybe and I mean I had grown up [TS]

00:02:31   hearing his music of course all of the [TS]

00:02:33   classics veo our tracks right but 1980 I [TS]

00:02:40   I I spot I i got hip to his like weird [TS]

00:02:46   rockabilly record [TS]

00:02:48   oh yeah everybody's rockin uh-huh and [TS]

00:02:51   and I liked it I liked it just sort of [TS]

00:02:54   instinctively in that that was back in [TS]

00:02:57   the one-dollar record bin error that [TS]

00:03:00   we've talked about before [TS]

00:03:02   yeah like trans and landing on water or [TS]

00:03:05   in the nice price bin [TS]

00:03:07   yeah pretty much until they stop being a [TS]

00:03:10   nice price band and that's the thing [TS]

00:03:11   trans so I got I got the rockabilly [TS]

00:03:14   record and i was like i like this and [TS]

00:03:15   then I got trans and I liked it and it's [TS]

00:03:19   so different [TS]

00:03:20   really and of course I will I liked [TS]

00:03:23   reactor that was one of my first ever [TS]

00:03:26   another first-ever dollar been records [TS]

00:03:29   and so I was like this guy makes [TS]

00:03:31   everything he makes all kinds of music [TS]

00:03:32   and I like it all [TS]

00:03:34   yeah i really liked trans the the [TS]

00:03:37   vocoder stuff uh connected with me when [TS]

00:03:40   I was a little kid in the back story on [TS]

00:03:44   that [TS]

00:03:44   yeah it's trying to communicate with his [TS]

00:03:46   son an interesting it's really [TS]

00:03:47   fascinating but so by the time you know [TS]

00:03:50   pearl jam was like wheeling him out [TS]

00:03:53   reviews even imagine coming out on a [TS]

00:03:57   supermarket dolly how my my I was like [TS]

00:04:02   ah come on this is gross like I don't [TS]

00:04:04   want to [TS]

00:04:05   this isn't fun although when i think [TS]

00:04:07   about it now [TS]

00:04:08   he was probably be the age then that i [TS]

00:04:11   am now that this are turning this during [TS]

00:04:14   the Pearl Jam era and it was like oh [TS]

00:04:17   why's the old man up there hate thinking [TS]

00:04:20   those thoughts he's he's very [TS]

00:04:22   interesting to me because there's some [TS]

00:04:24   there's certain songwriters and [TS]

00:04:28   performers that you know illicit very [TS]

00:04:30   strong feelings for people and you know [TS]

00:04:32   I think of people like I guess Dylan in [TS]

00:04:34   particular i guess maybe Paul McCartney [TS]

00:04:36   to an extent but people who [TS]

00:04:38   people have extremely strong feelings [TS]

00:04:40   about like this one record they did is [TS]

00:04:42   probably one of the greatest things ever [TS]

00:04:43   made in this other record they did is [TS]

00:04:45   like the worst thing i've ever heard and [TS]

00:04:47   that you can hold both those thoughts in [TS]

00:04:49   your head and you know the thing about [TS]

00:04:51   you young like the liner like you know i [TS]

00:04:54   guess like Springsteen to an extent but [TS]

00:04:55   whoever whoever you you accounting this [TS]

00:04:57   pantheon people who are contrarians [TS]

00:04:59   especially Dylan I love a contrarian i [TS]

00:05:01   love somebody who's like you think you [TS]

00:05:02   got me figured out you got me figured [TS]

00:05:03   out and then second like it continued [TS]

00:05:06   along those lines to just be unflappable [TS]

00:05:08   about doing whatever they want to do [TS]

00:05:10   next and just going well that's the [TS]

00:05:12   thing it's going to be a thing about the [TS]

00:05:13   Iraq war and it's gonna be a lot of [TS]

00:05:14   people singing in a bar that's just the [TS]

00:05:16   thing it's gonna be looking here Neil [TS]

00:05:19   Young was 45 my current age in 1990 how [TS]

00:05:23   you're kidding [TS]

00:05:25   literally he was about the age I am now [TS]

00:05:27   when he came out with this notes for you [TS]

00:05:30   is that right [TS]

00:05:32   it was just like oh what's up Gramps is [TS]

00:05:35   that that's the line this is the title [TS]

00:05:37   track is the advertising song and then [TS]

00:05:41   oh I guess is rockin in the free world [TS]

00:05:43   the title track for thanks oh well you [TS]

00:05:46   also know that's that's 1989 right well [TS]

00:05:48   so what would 89 around that time was [TS]

00:05:52   when he came out with that crazy many [TS]

00:05:54   crazy horse record and writing that [TS]

00:05:57   record he was literally younger than me [TS]

00:06:00   when a he wrote rockin in the free world [TS]

00:06:02   that doesn't that seems like some kind [TS]

00:06:04   of sci-fi portal thing that doesn't seem [TS]

00:06:06   possible [TS]

00:06:07   you know he was already he was already [TS]

00:06:09   like profoundly classic artist he thinks [TS]

00:06:15   that he was in Buffalo Springfield when [TS]

00:06:17   he was I think like 19 and then evaluate [TS]

00:06:22   him well [TS]

00:06:23   see that's how that sound meal works I'm [TS]

00:06:25   telling you man getting that what to [TS]

00:06:28   call that triple album he had of [TS]

00:06:31   greatest hits came out like 76 not the [TS]

00:06:37   other one with the guitar case guitar [TS]

00:06:39   cases the cover and but the thing was he [TS]

00:06:42   was like he was pretty famous by the [TS]

00:06:43   time he was like 23 yeah [TS]

00:06:47   are the the on the beach whenever you [TS]

00:06:52   feel about on the beach i'm not super [TS]

00:06:53   familiar with it is it that's after that [TS]

00:06:55   trilogy [TS]

00:06:56   I know I know I know tonight's the night [TS]

00:06:59   now and I don't know on the beach well [TS]

00:07:02   but every one of them is a little [TS]

00:07:04   journey you know I mean when you free [TS]

00:07:06   but he opened your heart to it and like [TS]

00:07:08   there's something amazing on every one [TS]

00:07:10   of them and you know when your heart [TS]

00:07:14   with the key i like that such a lonely [TS]

00:07:18   number arms a time and then awesome a [TS]

00:07:26   lot of love song [TS]

00:07:27   the guy does it all that's a nice song i [TS]

00:07:30   was thinking yesterday about the Beatles [TS]

00:07:34   yeah i was too and I was realizing that [TS]

00:07:38   all that will two things all of that [TS]

00:07:41   music hall stuff that Paul McCartney was [TS]

00:07:44   putting in the later beetles that lennon [TS]

00:07:49   was so mad about being corny it's granny [TS]

00:07:52   music random music that music is was [TS]

00:07:56   essentially the same distance from them [TS]

00:07:59   as the Beatles are from us [TS]

00:08:00   yeah that's one of my favorite games the [TS]

00:08:03   plans you know [TS]

00:08:04   well yeah I like to play that yeah I [TS]

00:08:06   there should be an official Navy which [TS]

00:08:07   is called The Beatles game [TS]

00:08:08   mm which is to take whatever that we [TS]

00:08:10   would it was called seven years right so [TS]

00:08:13   they're their first major British hits [TS]

00:08:16   were and I think 63 seven years seven [TS]

00:08:19   years so that's that's that's you know [TS]

00:08:22   he always the age of my daughter [TS]

00:08:24   2006-2007 till now there's cheese in my [TS]

00:08:28   refrigerators at seven [TS]

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00:09:50   Roderick on the line we could not do it [TS]

00:09:52   without them but also yeah right the [TS]

00:09:56   beatles game but it's also liked the [TS]

00:09:57   Beatles were x years old when x LOL i [TS]

00:10:02   net and then but the other thing when i [TS]

00:10:05   started thinking about the Music Hall [TS]

00:10:06   business and I realized that first I was [TS]

00:10:11   talking to our good friend Shawn Nelson [TS]

00:10:12   about this lennon was so upset and how [TS]

00:10:19   how McCarty was so cheesy [TS]

00:10:22   so corny but McCartney's corniness is [TS]

00:10:27   that is the element that makes the later [TS]

00:10:29   Beatles music so sinister sounding [TS]

00:10:32   Maxwell's silver hammer everything will [TS]

00:10:35   you even Martha my dear it feel it feels [TS]

00:10:38   like I mean that's a song I mean Paul [TS]

00:10:40   McCartney is corny that's the song he [TS]

00:10:41   wrote about his dog right in the style [TS]

00:10:44   of his grandmother's me [TS]

00:10:45   sick but it it when it comes on the the [TS]

00:10:49   the stereo the first time here like what [TS]

00:10:53   are these madmen doing like it it was [TS]

00:10:58   the element that I mean up way more than [TS]

00:11:01   your blues it was the Martha my dear [TS]

00:11:04   that made that record seem like that [TS]

00:11:08   like it was insane and that they were [TS]

00:11:11   insane and that this was the thought [TS]

00:11:13   that it was a a an acid drenched psycho [TS]

00:11:18   future they are like down George on [TS]

00:11:22   piggies [TS]

00:11:23   yeah like beyond mannered right and and [TS]

00:11:27   and how Lennon in his narrowness could [TS]

00:11:31   have failed to see failed to appreciate [TS]

00:11:33   that his idea of what avant-garde was [TS]

00:11:37   namely you know just like the the most [TS]

00:11:43   sort of the most obvious version of [TS]

00:11:45   challenging as Sean said you know [TS]

00:11:52   Yoko basically like the very obvious [TS]

00:11:56   version of avant-garde out ray freak [TS]

00:12:02   freaky stuff and he had 11 somehow [TS]

00:12:05   failed to see that it was it was it was [TS]

00:12:07   really the juxtaposition of that against [TS]

00:12:09   this like McCartney like nany music that [TS]

00:12:14   makes the beetles still and made them [TS]

00:12:17   then so scary you know like the Beatles [TS]

00:12:21   are still scary in a way I don't think I [TS]

00:12:24   don't think Lennon I mean out in the [TS]

00:12:25   harris like John Lennon but I don't [TS]

00:12:27   think he would come up with a lot of [TS]

00:12:28   that stuff on his own and as you know [TS]

00:12:30   QED as we discussed before Paul does not [TS]

00:12:33   get credit for how much of the banana [TS]

00:12:34   stuff he brought especially in there [TS]

00:12:37   really they're amazing years like how [TS]

00:12:39   much of the stuff was not just his [TS]

00:12:40   facility with like show tunes in Pan [TS]

00:12:44   Alley songwriting and knowing how to do [TS]

00:12:46   interesting terms of according to John [TS]

00:12:47   John play blues guitar he's a blues [TS]

00:12:49   guitar [TS]

00:12:50   I mean he could play you know he's a [TS]

00:12:52   great guitar player but Paul was the one [TS]

00:12:54   that had the mind for figuring out what [TS]

00:12:55   you could do with all that stuff just by [TS]

00:12:57   himself I think John [TS]

00:12:58   which is play screeching blues all day [TS]

00:13:00   long Yeah Yeah right right yeah right [TS]

00:13:03   and and he's angry so he makes angry [TS]

00:13:06   sounding music on the nose yeah he's [TS]

00:13:09   frustrated so as we wrote a frustrated [TS]

00:13:12   sounding song he is feeling feeling [TS]

00:13:14   sarcastic so sarcastic song and you know [TS]

00:13:18   and it's anybody's guess whether Paul [TS]

00:13:21   McCartney has any of those emotions [TS]

00:13:23   because he is such a such a muppet [TS]

00:13:28   that's exactly the word I was thinking I [TS]

00:13:30   do you think how much you think of that [TS]

00:13:32   is persona because he seems like he's [TS]

00:13:33   always on always on [TS]

00:13:36   yeah absolutely always on like he wakes [TS]

00:13:38   up he wakes up goes in the bathroom [TS]

00:13:40   looks at me and goes the moving the roof [TS]

00:13:42   and you're just like fuck you should [TS]

00:13:46   just turn it off but who knows I mean I [TS]

00:13:50   this is the thing about oh my god here [TS]

00:13:52   we go this is the thing about happy [TS]

00:13:56   that's right that's that's so [TS]

00:13:58   insufferable the analogies you mean this [TS]

00:14:03   is the songs that but it's like it's [TS]

00:14:05   it's a it's an adjective for for a [TS]

00:14:09   chorus and then there's there's mostly [TS]

00:14:11   just a lot of analogies is the olympics [TS]

00:14:12   haha back at like a hexagon wrench [TS]

00:14:17   without a focus wagon like that you know [TS]

00:14:19   I i like that song it's a big hit in our [TS]

00:14:23   house is that right now yeah my daughter [TS]

00:14:25   loves it to me and despicable me 2 movie [TS]

00:14:27   o.o you're not talking about the we're [TS]

00:14:31   gonna talk about the Keith Richards song [TS]

00:14:33   have I'm sorry that you're talking about [TS]

00:14:34   the guy the armies had all the the feral [TS]

00:14:37   ya know I that would it would be a long [TS]

00:14:41   road all you talk about power down and [TS]

00:14:43   to keep me happy that the background [TS]

00:14:47   yeah i'm sorry i'll cut all of that out [TS]

00:14:49   that's super confusing I'm sorry John [TS]

00:14:50   you just thought i had a stroke [TS]

00:14:52   oh it's ok I i started to get started to [TS]

00:14:55   get the picture because you know I do i [TS]

00:14:56   do go on the internet so I've heard [TS]

00:14:58   people talking about it [TS]

00:15:00   you must learn about these things on the [TS]

00:15:01   dark web there must be you hear about [TS]

00:15:03   happy it's out there [TS]

00:15:04   yeah well not only that but i think the [TS]

00:15:06   Oscars on the dark web [TS]

00:15:08   I who knows could say the part of yeah [TS]

00:15:11   that's right [TS]

00:15:12   I'm not at liberty to say that the i2i [TS]

00:15:15   live tweeted the grammys this year not [TS]

00:15:19   for myself but under contract for the [TS]

00:15:22   talkhouse website and so i was i was [TS]

00:15:27   watching the grammys but I had never [TS]

00:15:31   heard any of the songs so they're like [TS]

00:15:34   yeah it's getting more like that every [TS]

00:15:36   year for me [TS]

00:15:37   here's the grammy award goes to sterile [TS]

00:15:41   and he spell his name of the song happy [TS]

00:15:45   and I was like wow you know amazing [TS]

00:15:47   don't care [TS]

00:15:49   the the best joke I heard about Farrell [TS]

00:15:52   was that the that he wears that hat to [TS]

00:15:55   to distract us from the fact that he [TS]

00:15:58   looks like a cartoon hand like a pink [TS]

00:16:03   panther style and yeah yeah yeah but you [TS]

00:16:05   know what you can see that now haha no [TS]

00:16:11   but i but but but I i was even referred [TS]

00:16:13   you're up there in Grampa mode just to [TS]

00:16:15   know [TS]

00:16:16   hey I didn't this is R&B gal is making a [TS]

00:16:19   big hit [TS]

00:16:20   oh look at her boy that dress is sure [TS]

00:16:23   something [TS]

00:16:25   no I was talking about even more [TS]

00:16:27   generally the idea of happiness [TS]

00:16:30   oh you're going up [TS]

00:16:33   yeah that's right Paul McCartney's [TS]

00:16:35   version of like irrepressible happy a [TS]

00:16:40   you know like go-getter ism loose you [TS]

00:16:45   know he's like a he's like a member of [TS]

00:16:48   Junior Achievement yeah and-and-and you [TS]

00:16:52   know i'm i'm intrinsically suspicious of [TS]

00:16:54   happy that was always was or were you [TS]

00:16:57   all were you are you absolutely [TS]

00:17:00   sighs happy yeah I mean for me it's it's [TS]

00:17:05   a little nuance but yeah I may have said [TS]

00:17:06   this a lot of times but i am basically [TS]

00:17:09   suspicious of people primarily i am i'm [TS]

00:17:11   a little suspicious of people who seem [TS]

00:17:14   happy all the time but i'm super [TS]

00:17:16   suspicious who talked about how happy [TS]

00:17:18   they are all the time I think those [TS]

00:17:20   people are like they're you talk about a [TS]

00:17:22   bottle up and explode type situation [TS]

00:17:24   yeah you know what I mean like its it [TS]

00:17:27   you know it's that's manic well I always [TS]

00:17:31   come back to that picture of McCartney [TS]

00:17:33   during the recording of let it be [TS]

00:17:37   sitting at the mixing desk with his like [TS]

00:17:42   you know his attention fully focused on [TS]

00:17:45   the knobs his hands there on the desk [TS]

00:17:48   George Martin is relegated to the [TS]

00:17:50   shadows of he'll stick here is that [TS]

00:17:53   shooting bitches [TS]

00:17:55   he's McCartney's got all of us get [TS]

00:17:57   Linda's they're all the hangers on radio [TS]

00:18:00   Ringo's sitting in a chair somewhere and [TS]

00:18:03   Paul's finally in charge and he looks so [TS]

00:18:07   happy to be there but also like it's in [TS]

00:18:12   a way it's where he belongs like it was [TS]

00:18:15   only it was only radical because it was [TS]

00:18:19   that was the first time it ever happened [TS]

00:18:20   that the artist would self be [TS]

00:18:25   self-producing and now in light of where [TS]

00:18:30   we came like right Paul McCartney was [TS]

00:18:32   the first one really to sit down in the [TS]

00:18:34   in the the first one who wasn't an [TS]

00:18:36   auteur an outsider and the first pop guy [TS]

00:18:40   to like take the chair and start moving [TS]

00:18:43   the knobs and you love him in that [TS]

00:18:46   picture you love him in that moment even [TS]

00:18:48   knowing that Lenin is nodding off in the [TS]

00:18:52   other room having turned to heroin to [TS]

00:18:55   mask his is seething hatred of Paul you [TS]

00:18:59   go sit in George's chair right George [TS]

00:19:02   hate that scene so it's George's walking [TS]

00:19:05   up and down the hallway rehearsing his I [TS]

00:19:08   quit speech he's always gonna be the [TS]

00:19:11   youngest one you know he's always going [TS]

00:19:13   to be the little kid and you know and [TS]

00:19:15   and and Ringo is just like happy two [TS]

00:19:17   billion but also like you get the sense [TS]

00:19:21   even Ringo no I mean watch that movie [TS]

00:19:24   its and this is another reason why I [TS]

00:19:25   mean who knows how much the trust in [TS]

00:19:27   that movie but i mean it's it's that [TS]

00:19:30   it's you know I think pockets of a bad [TS]

00:19:32   rap is first of all I mean I'm not sure [TS]

00:19:34   of in the pre wings era [TS]

00:19:36   are there that many songs that you can [TS]

00:19:38   put out there's a beatles song that are [TS]

00:19:39   really just about being happy [TS]

00:19:42   I mean if they are there's always [TS]

00:19:43   there's always a little bit of maybe [TS]

00:19:45   just the John contributions but there's [TS]

00:19:47   always a glint of cynicism somewhere [TS]

00:19:49   inside of all that even on like you know [TS]

00:19:51   a good day sunshine or whatever I mean [TS]

00:19:53   but you know it's not like Paul just [TS]

00:19:54   wrote about you know being happy but the [TS]

00:19:56   thing that I just want to can't just go [TS]

00:19:58   by is i'm watching a movie in a while [TS]

00:20:00   because i actually do find it very [TS]

00:20:01   difficult to watch [TS]

00:20:02   it's excruciating it is really really [TS]

00:20:04   painful that that even got out there's a [TS]

00:20:06   reason it's hard to find now because [TS]

00:20:08   it's really hard to watch [TS]

00:20:09   nobody comes off looking very good but [TS]

00:20:11   you know the part because i think [TS]

00:20:13   because of that movie and maybe [TS]

00:20:14   interviews and stuff Paul got the [TS]

00:20:15   reputation of being the guy that [TS]

00:20:18   everybody thought was oh he's always the [TS]

00:20:20   cheery guy who's like being super [TS]

00:20:22   annoying and telling us what to do but [TS]

00:20:24   you know he's trying to hold it together [TS]

00:20:26   he was I mean I just got the feeling and [TS]

00:20:28   watching that he was not trying to be a [TS]

00:20:30   dick he was he was trying really hard to [TS]

00:20:33   keep the band together and and find a [TS]

00:20:35   way to make it work now he was trying to [TS]

00:20:37   do that but he also like a as Shawn [TS]

00:20:42   Nelson ultimate Beatles Authority said [TS]

00:20:45   so eloquently like the competition [TS]

00:20:47   between John and Paul took two took the [TS]

00:20:52   shape of John you know stuff like [TS]

00:20:55   sneering at Paul but Paul's response was [TS]

00:20:58   like who [TS]

00:20:59   how many songs if you go through 50 [TS]

00:21:02   that's good but I've got 25 like he was [TS]

00:21:07   I mean John was practically I mean he [TS]

00:21:08   would it wasn't the point where he's [TS]

00:21:10   just whispering the Yoko he wasn't [TS]

00:21:11   speaking to them [TS]

00:21:12   oh yeah no job is the worst yeah but you [TS]

00:21:16   sleep is not trying very hard [TS]

00:21:18   he wasn't trying very hard but you know [TS]

00:21:19   like I think about in your think about [TS]

00:21:21   in your relationships or work situations [TS]

00:21:23   when a thing is dying or one thing is [TS]

00:21:25   like really broken and the one guy who's [TS]

00:21:28   like cheerfully trying to keep it all [TS]

00:21:29   together [TS]

00:21:30   yeah by like you know bye-bye doing all [TS]

00:21:33   the work and being the cheerleader like [TS]

00:21:36   the worst guy [TS]

00:21:38   yeah and especially because and this is [TS]

00:21:40   not just about probably whoever that [TS]

00:21:42   character is it has been me [TS]

00:21:43   it's also that that person is clearly [TS]

00:21:46   ignoring the vibe that everybody else is [TS]

00:21:49   feeling which is that we don't [TS]

00:21:50   get along and we're not acknowledging [TS]

00:21:52   that and that's not making it better [TS]

00:21:54   no that's crazy-making right so yeah [TS]

00:21:58   Paul boy [TS]

00:22:00   Oh Paul alright just can't I just don't [TS]

00:22:04   want to revisit thinking about Paul [TS]

00:22:08   McCartney anymore although all the all [TS]

00:22:11   the many many many hours of my life [TS]

00:22:13   wondering about what's going on inside [TS]

00:22:16   Paul's head i don't i am you know I am I [TS]

00:22:22   remember when I when I did finally see [TS]

00:22:24   let it be and I don't know I've never [TS]

00:22:28   been a fan of yonas work and I've always [TS]

00:22:32   thought she seemed like kind of an [TS]

00:22:33   annoying personality and I I very much i [TS]

00:22:36   have to say i'm not proud of this but I [TS]

00:22:38   bought into the idea that she was a very [TS]

00:22:40   divisive factor in the band but what a [TS]

00:22:42   lot of people who are bigger bills fans [TS]

00:22:45   and meet pointed out that I get now but [TS]

00:22:47   talk about a fun eh thing [TS]

00:22:49   how many years were the Beatles what's [TS]

00:22:54   the word I'm looking for functional and [TS]

00:22:56   I can I don't just say happy but I mean [TS]

00:22:58   you think about even if you go up [TS]

00:23:00   through say revolver even by revolver [TS]

00:23:05   John is starting to withdraw they're all [TS]

00:23:08   pretty high a lot of the time which is [TS]

00:23:10   probably kind of fun but I you know I [TS]

00:23:12   doubt that sergeant pepper was that much [TS]

00:23:15   of like an exciting group effort every [TS]

00:23:17   day there weren't I mean they talk and [TS]

00:23:19   probably all talked about this at one [TS]

00:23:21   point was why it was so great to do [TS]

00:23:22   happiness is a warm gun happening that's [TS]

00:23:24   the song that made them want to do a [TS]

00:23:26   little reality they want to like bring [TS]

00:23:30   back the fact that we can rock out as a [TS]

00:23:31   bad because it was the first time for [TS]

00:23:32   everything actually recorded kind of [TS]

00:23:34   written and recorded a song together and [TS]

00:23:36   played together because everything up [TS]

00:23:38   till then and i'll just been pieces and [TS]

00:23:40   parts and didn't want to be in the room [TS]

00:23:41   so the fun eh they talk about of those [TS]

00:23:43   seven years how many of those years were [TS]

00:23:44   they like maybe two and even during [TS]

00:23:47   those two years they're exhausted really [TS]

00:23:49   travel and play live from 59 know like [TS]

00:23:53   the right [TS]

00:23:54   the amount of time they were really up [TS]

00:23:56   inside each others butts yeah I mean I'm [TS]

00:23:59   playing fast and loose but only because [TS]

00:24:01   like that the time that they were in the [TS]

00:24:03   national and somewhat definitely [TS]

00:24:05   European consciousness would be 62 63 [TS]

00:24:08   yeah so I 65 it was already all the [TS]

00:24:11   beatles on top of the world they're like [TS]

00:24:13   they got to be the happiest guys in the [TS]

00:24:14   world but didn't have a minute to [TS]

00:24:15   themselves they were just constantly [TS]

00:24:17   there put out three albums a year ago I [TS]

00:24:19   know and shaggin birds singing birds [TS]

00:24:21   look at that beater beatles for sale [TS]

00:24:22   record they do not look like happy [TS]

00:24:24   campers know and one of the songs [TS]

00:24:27   reflect that they were there they get [TS]

00:24:28   more cynical they get a little darker [TS]

00:24:30   when you were 26 where you a happy [TS]

00:24:32   camper [TS]

00:24:33   no I don't know that camping has ever [TS]

00:24:35   been all that happy I was not a happy [TS]

00:24:36   camper at 26 a terrible time it's a [TS]

00:24:39   really terrible time 26 hard times now [TS]

00:24:42   it is it's it's funny because it's a I [TS]

00:24:45   mean nothing can be worse than puberty [TS]

00:24:46   in a lot of ways but there's something [TS]

00:24:48   peculiarly something that makes you I I [TS]

00:24:53   think I most people probably feel more [TS]

00:24:55   like a failure for one reason or another [TS]

00:24:57   by the time they're 27 than any other [TS]

00:24:59   time you 20 times that magic age where [TS]

00:25:01   everybody dies it's the quarter life [TS]

00:25:02   crisis there's all those Saturn's return [TS]

00:25:04   all those different things that people [TS]

00:25:05   have names for this but all I know is [TS]

00:25:07   that like everybody feels like some part [TS]

00:25:09   of their life is completely fucked up [TS]

00:25:11   when the 27 I'm never going to make [TS]

00:25:13   enough money [TS]

00:25:13   I'm never gonna find somebody who loves [TS]

00:25:15   me for who i am i'm never gonna make the [TS]

00:25:17   great i'm never gonna be a millionaire [TS]

00:25:17   before I'm 30 all those different things [TS]

00:25:20   27 around 27 25 to 28 is when those [TS]

00:25:22   things really start to hit you is that [TS]

00:25:24   first is that I think it's the first [TS]

00:25:26   really incontrovertible wave of I can't [TS]

00:25:29   do everything the way I want anymore [TS]

00:25:31   yeah the doors are even very very [TS]

00:25:33   quietly gently at a distance starting to [TS]

00:25:35   close and you first start becoming aware [TS]

00:25:37   of it [TS]

00:25:37   yeah even if you're an even if you're [TS]

00:25:39   really successful I don't know this is a [TS]

00:25:41   hobbyhorse in mind but I've talked about [TS]

00:25:43   in other places a lot but I think about [TS]

00:25:45   some other podcast we maybe yeah maybe [TS]

00:25:47   myself but you know it's really easy to [TS]

00:25:50   look at anybody else and think that [TS]

00:25:51   they're living the life of Riley and [TS]

00:25:53   it's or that they there [TS]

00:25:55   let's put it this way especially and [TS]

00:25:57   this will bring us back to work on the [TS]

00:25:58   line [TS]

00:25:58   it's really easy look anybody else who [TS]

00:26:00   has something that you don't think that [TS]

00:26:02   the first of all they probably got it [TS]

00:26:03   bye Guyler theft in a way you you [TS]

00:26:05   deserve to know nor yeah privilege if [TS]

00:26:08   you like and and everybody else has that [TS]

00:26:10   you don't and there are compared [TS]

00:26:13   completely who could feel sympathy for [TS]

00:26:16   John [TS]

00:26:16   and in 1966 you know I mean when you [TS]

00:26:19   look at it from outside but they can't [TS]

00:26:21   imagine like having like you can't even [TS]

00:26:22   walk around in public and when you do [TS]

00:26:24   there's photos of you on every magazine [TS]

00:26:26   about like your life like that'sthat's [TS]

00:26:28   hell no but yeah I don't know you think [TS]

00:26:32   about that while I mean what do you [TS]

00:26:33   think what do you think they were I mean [TS]

00:26:35   because they know playing in Hamburg [TS]

00:26:37   doesn't sound like a cakewalk they were [TS]

00:26:38   playing like wednesday at some point [TS]

00:26:39   playing eight hours a day [TS]

00:26:41   yeah but I mean you know that's the [TS]

00:26:43   great thing about speed back that's a [TS]

00:26:45   great thing about being 19 and out in [TS]

00:26:47   the world is that fear that those doors [TS]

00:26:51   those doors have not closed there so far [TS]

00:26:54   in the distance that they seem like they [TS]

00:26:56   said it seems like you're immortal and [TS]

00:26:58   you'll live forever and so that kind of [TS]

00:27:01   hard [TS]

00:27:02   I mean I you know I because of my [TS]

00:27:04   because of my dark web work em I'm be in [TS]

00:27:08   contact with you know some people in [TS]

00:27:11   their early twenties let's say food [TS]

00:27:13   tasting tour and let's that's not really [TS]

00:27:17   something I need to nail him for me and [TS]

00:27:21   I you know and a lot of ways like I'm [TS]

00:27:23   always surprised by how how smart they [TS]

00:27:26   are and how thoughtful they are but [TS]

00:27:28   every once awhile i do have to sit [TS]

00:27:31   through like one or two day long [TS]

00:27:34   some sucking episode we're like god I [TS]

00:27:39   can't believe it I gotta pay my rent and [TS]

00:27:43   I gotta look in God with the work all [TS]

00:27:46   day and I just just not fair and I I [TS]

00:27:50   think I think that pretty much every day [TS]

00:27:52   well I know it but I mean don't say it [TS]

00:27:54   but the other thing is that the reason [TS]

00:27:57   you don't say it is that you don't [TS]

00:27:59   expect anybody to be surprised and the [TS]

00:28:01   one of the fantastic things about being [TS]

00:28:02   19 is that you can you can get that when [TS]

00:28:08   four or five things happen all at once [TS]

00:28:11   you really do feel like it's the first [TS]

00:28:14   time it's ever happened it's the first [TS]

00:28:16   time anybody ever had to like that they [TS]

00:28:18   know they know enough to know that [TS]

00:28:19   everybody has to go to work or that [TS]

00:28:21   everybody sometimes their car breaks [TS]

00:28:23   clanks exactly last-second or that [TS]

00:28:26   everybody's mom is a bitch sometimes [TS]

00:28:29   names but when you know when for those [TS]

00:28:32   things happen at once [TS]

00:28:34   that's when the the nineteen-year-old [TS]

00:28:37   mind when its lack of experience is [TS]

00:28:40   revealed because they're just like so [TS]

00:28:43   shocked and at and like want to should [TS]

00:28:48   want to get come out to the front of [TS]

00:28:50   their house and shout like I'm mad as [TS]

00:28:52   hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore [TS]

00:28:53   because who has ever had to be at work [TS]

00:28:58   which is already unfair and their car [TS]

00:29:02   won't start and their moms being a bitch [TS]

00:29:04   and they don't have any money and yeah [TS]

00:29:08   there's an end the end their clothes [TS]

00:29:09   don't fit anymore whatever and you just [TS]

00:29:12   go like right well everybody and also [TS]

00:29:17   everybody all the time has experienced [TS]

00:29:20   that and but that that feeling of like I [TS]

00:29:24   mean I remember being 19 and enduring [TS]

00:29:30   what now seems like an astonishing level [TS]

00:29:33   of discomfort and hurt and being at the [TS]

00:29:40   time unable to distinguish that from [TS]

00:29:43   what seemed like an equal amount of [TS]

00:29:47   discomfort and hurt that it turns out [TS]

00:29:49   was just normal life right like i was i [TS]

00:29:54   was sleeping didn't make you feel [TS]

00:29:55   shelter like he had been sheltered no no [TS]

00:29:58   I I mean I definitely had been sheltered [TS]

00:30:01   but the but the problem the problem for [TS]

00:30:04   me was that I had no i mean i was [TS]

00:30:06   sleeping outside in city parks and that [TS]

00:30:13   seemed less or equal that seems either [TS]

00:30:17   less difficult or equally difficult to [TS]

00:30:20   just finding figuring out how to use a [TS]

00:30:23   washing machine right so like the the [TS]

00:30:28   difficulty of the two things I i had no [TS]

00:30:33   I had no way to tell them apart and it [TS]

00:30:35   turns out now from where I said sleeping [TS]

00:30:38   outside [TS]

00:30:39   night after night in a city park [TS]

00:30:42   seems really hard and dangerous and [TS]

00:30:44   uncomfortable in risky whereas using a [TS]

00:30:50   washing machine is not hard at all and [TS]

00:30:53   also like not even onerous it's just [TS]

00:30:57   what you do but at 19 I couldn't [TS]

00:30:59   distinguish the difficulty between the [TS]

00:31:02   two things because using washing machine [TS]

00:31:04   was completely alien to me I I you know [TS]

00:31:06   my mom always wash my clothes until i [TS]

00:31:08   left the house and that you know why I [TS]

00:31:13   imagine them in hamburg and it's like [TS]

00:31:15   yeah I'm sure they're playing for set [TS]

00:31:18   tonight and they're you know they're [TS]

00:31:20   barely sleeping but that is you know [TS]

00:31:25   that's no more or less difficult then [TS]

00:31:29   figuring out how to work an automat from [TS]

00:31:32   or you know or or whatever like the the [TS]

00:31:37   simplest thing like taking a letter down [TS]

00:31:39   to the post office it all seems [TS]

00:31:40   difficult and and also all seems easy [TS]

00:31:42   everything's hard until you learn how to [TS]

00:31:45   do it [TS]

00:31:45   yeah i mean that's that sounds it's [TS]

00:31:47   really fast out but it's true [TS]

00:31:49   everything seems possible because you [TS]

00:31:51   haven't gotten it and maybe overdue for [TS]

00:31:53   you to get it but also everything will [TS]

00:31:55   seem hard and equally hard and [TS]

00:31:57   especially if it all comes at once I [TS]

00:31:59   mean it's overwhelming but the idea that [TS]

00:32:02   the idea of cleaning my house still [TS]

00:32:06   after all these years I have never [TS]

00:32:10   resigned myself to it like every time it [TS]

00:32:14   it seems like a new it's at the the [TS]

00:32:17   indignation is is fresh every time just [TS]

00:32:21   like oh my god seriously have to do this [TS]

00:32:24   again like it's such a waste [TS]

00:32:27   it's such a wasted effort and better [TS]

00:32:31   when you have a kick and that's real I i [TS]

00:32:34   connect immediately back to the [TS]

00:32:36   sixteen-year-old me it was just like you [TS]

00:32:38   just it just gets dirty again and [TS]

00:32:43   so many of those other services soon as [TS]

00:32:46   your butt but there's value [TS]

00:32:49   well you doing that thing is washing [TS]

00:32:51   your butt is fun [TS]

00:32:52   yeah you know there's a there's pleasure [TS]

00:32:54   to be had a nice diversion but wash it [TS]

00:32:57   but like cleaning your bathroom is not [TS]

00:32:59   fun [TS]

00:33:00   I'm now that's another the people that [TS]

00:33:02   the people that really early on in life [TS]

00:33:06   accepted not just accepted cleaning the [TS]

00:33:09   bathroom but found a way to make [TS]

00:33:11   cleaning the bathroom part of their part [TS]

00:33:16   of like normal life I guess who with no [TS]

00:33:20   holding onto know like resentment about [TS]

00:33:26   it I'd I do admire them that seems like [TS]

00:33:30   a thought technology I'll absolutely and [TS]

00:33:32   easy easy easy easy analogy and I'm not [TS]

00:33:35   sayin I'm great at this but the easy [TS]

00:33:37   analogies brushing your teeth brushing [TS]

00:33:38   your teeth or for that matter taking a [TS]

00:33:40   leak [TS]

00:33:41   um can can be a good example of [TS]

00:33:43   something more like you're pretty good [TS]

00:33:44   at taking a leak [TS]

00:33:45   i'm pretty happy great of brushing your [TS]

00:33:47   teeth pretty efficient at it i would say [TS]

00:33:48   but the but you know if you're if you've [TS]

00:33:51   reached the pro level of brushing your [TS]

00:33:52   teeth you don't really have to think [TS]

00:33:54   about it you don't have to plan for it [TS]

00:33:55   you know worst-case scenario you get a [TS]

00:33:57   new toothbrush and toothpaste sometimes [TS]

00:33:59   but it isn't something where you have to [TS]

00:34:00   wake up every day and ponder whether [TS]

00:34:02   that's the thing you're going to do [TS]

00:34:03   unless it is right you're right you're [TS]

00:34:05   like fuck yourself in talk yourself [TS]

00:34:07   through your liking commenting coffees [TS]

00:34:11   another one can you kind of look forward [TS]

00:34:12   to that but then I mean the that moves [TS]

00:34:15   out in concentric circles from that then [TS]

00:34:16   you get to stuff like I gotta put gas in [TS]

00:34:18   the car [TS]

00:34:18   it's a pain in the ass to have to keep [TS]

00:34:20   putting gas in the car but those [TS]

00:34:22   dependencies you've got to put the gas [TS]

00:34:23   in the car because the cars would [TS]

00:34:24   continue to work so that you can buy [TS]

00:34:26   toothpaste but but I i agree with you [TS]

00:34:28   cuz there's some things that everybody [TS]

00:34:30   else seems to have on the brushing their [TS]

00:34:32   teeth level that I've never gotten too [TS]

00:34:33   and they might as well be magical to me [TS]

00:34:35   yeah yeah yeah I'm actually do stuff [TS]

00:34:37   like rotate their tires and stuff like [TS]

00:34:39   that i was at a gas station clean clean [TS]

00:34:41   the house and a guy walks and waiting in [TS]

00:34:43   line you know they got the guy ahead of [TS]

00:34:45   me in line is really decked out in some [TS]

00:34:49   very like [TS]

00:34:51   he is a he's reppin that he is kind of a [TS]

00:34:56   fly guy he's got very white trainers on [TS]

00:35:01   he's wearing a kind of like tracksuit [TS]

00:35:05   very clean tracksuit a like a fedora of [TS]

00:35:10   some kind he is you know he is [TS]

00:35:13   presenting he has come correct and he's [TS]

00:35:19   he's waiting in line at the gas station [TS]

00:35:21   and then it's his turn and he says to [TS]

00:35:24   the guy behind the counter is like five [TS]

00:35:26   onto pretty like you know pretty [TS]

00:35:34   confrontation or like not [TS]

00:35:35   confrontational but like the tone is I'm [TS]

00:35:38   a big wheel [TS]

00:35:39   let's get this moving five onto and he [TS]

00:35:44   turns and walks out [TS]

00:35:45   it took me a second to realize that what [TS]

00:35:47   he meant was five dollars worth of gas [TS]

00:35:50   on pump two over and I was like gasps is [TS]

00:35:52   four dollars and forty-five cents a [TS]

00:35:54   gallon five dollars worth the gas really [TS]

00:35:59   really big wheel is just top it off and [TS]

00:36:04   and I get so I his mom's mad if he [TS]

00:36:08   doesn't turn full five onto so I walk [TS]

00:36:11   out and I walked past and Pete you know [TS]

00:36:13   and again I see him now pumping this one [TS]

00:36:15   that one dollar or one gallon with the [TS]

00:36:17   gas into the car and he is completely [TS]

00:36:20   correct like really really a steam [TS]

00:36:27   pressed this guy clean dignified yeah [TS]

00:36:30   but the car is like an 89 tercel what [TS]

00:36:36   the one of the back windows is held in [TS]

00:36:37   with the with the with like electrical [TS]

00:36:40   tape and in the driver's seat is his [TS]

00:36:43   girlfriend who clearly is working as [TS]

00:36:47   either a you know a waitress at shari's [TS]

00:36:51   or as a you know like she is younger [TS]

00:36:56   than he is and has that kind of harry [TS]

00:37:01   reid and raphy look of somebody who [TS]

00:37:04   maybe is sleeping in her car while she's [TS]

00:37:08   getting back on her feet and I was like [TS]

00:37:10   sir you are not correct [TS]

00:37:13   you have not come correct maybe [TS]

00:37:14   personally you are correct personally [TS]

00:37:17   you [TS]

00:37:18   here's your style is taken care of but [TS]

00:37:21   there are some things you should be [TS]

00:37:22   taking care of in advance of your style [TS]

00:37:24   some of that might be that maybe some of [TS]

00:37:27   the work you could do is replace that [TS]

00:37:29   back window in the car or some other [TS]

00:37:32   other things other than whatever kind of [TS]

00:37:34   like it just it was a it was a it was a [TS]

00:37:36   great but a classic moment of like hmm [TS]

00:37:39   if you are pimping you gotta you gotta [TS]

00:37:43   be pimping in a larger orbit than just [TS]

00:37:45   going to come correct yeah pimp a little [TS]

00:37:47   bit further out than the tips of your [TS]

00:37:48   shoes i guess so I i I've been happy to [TS]

00:37:55   draw those kinds of contrasts over a [TS]

00:37:59   long time but I don't know I one of my [TS]

00:38:01   thought technologies is trying to get a [TS]

00:38:04   little broader about who's allowed to [TS]

00:38:06   have dignity because you know in some [TS]

00:38:08   cases could not because you in this case [TS]

00:38:10   necessarily but in some cases like I [TS]

00:38:13   feel like there's like these dignity [TS]

00:38:14   police out there people who are like out [TS]

00:38:17   there actively policing like who's [TS]

00:38:19   allowed to not hate themselves today and [TS]

00:38:23   it's like you know you're pretty fat for [TS]

00:38:25   somebody who's happy that you need to [TS]

00:38:29   you need to check yourself you know I I [TS]

00:38:31   think that's it's just something it's [TS]

00:38:32   it's another one of those it's a very [TS]

00:38:34   like tertiary as you know symptom of our [TS]

00:38:38   national illness these days but I feel [TS]

00:38:40   like there is a lot of like you know [TS]

00:38:43   like there's this idea as an idea in in [TS]

00:38:46   mindfulness and Buddhism that like it's [TS]

00:38:48   one thing to feel bad and then it's [TS]

00:38:50   another thing to feel like it's not okay [TS]

00:38:52   for you to feel bad and that's where you [TS]

00:38:55   get fucked up is everybody no no it's [TS]

00:38:57   not like it but I think it's a guy think [TS]

00:38:59   it's interesting that technology is to [TS]

00:39:01   think like you know i'm always I'm [TS]

00:39:03   always gonna have problems i'm always [TS]

00:39:05   going to have stress but like when I [TS]

00:39:07   allow [TS]

00:39:08   to still feel okay even now I've got [TS]

00:39:10   problems now I'm not saying he should I [TS]

00:39:11   should be a not well and I did I take [TS]

00:39:14   your I take your comment the police [TS]

00:39:17   I take I take that very well I mean that [TS]

00:39:20   the guy i think you make a good point [TS]

00:39:21   and in reflecting on it [TS]

00:39:23   my beef with this guy was that his 5 on [TS]

00:39:26   the tone of his five onto was hey little [TS]

00:39:30   man behind the cash register and get to [TS]

00:39:33   work because i need 55 onto like he was [TS]

00:39:36   not if he was in if he was a if he was [TS]

00:39:41   dressed to the nines I was like my good [TS]

00:39:43   sir I can only afford five dollars of [TS]

00:39:46   gas and i'm i'm i'm grateful to be on [TS]

00:39:49   this planet pretty-pretty with that but [TS]

00:39:51   they're basically it is don't like span [TS]

00:39:53   acker hello I would like some gas from [TS]

00:39:56   you please write but instead you know [TS]

00:39:59   like he was fronting God and His you [TS]

00:40:04   know and having come correct there was [TS]

00:40:05   an element of this this front of like [TS]

00:40:08   I'm a big shot [TS]

00:40:09   get out of the way and then you get out [TS]

00:40:11   to the car and you're like oh right the [TS]

00:40:13   attitude that I mean the attitude [TS]

00:40:14   scribble that's that's inexcusable don't [TS]

00:40:16   act that way i agree with you about the [TS]

00:40:19   about the my tendency to be part of this [TS]

00:40:23   larger cultural problem of just walking [TS]

00:40:26   around in it just it in a constant like [TS]

00:40:30   basically a Genesis machine of judgment [TS]

00:40:34   justice divisive just like to clarify [TS]

00:40:38   i'm not saying I don't do it it's it's [TS]

00:40:41   something where I mean unless I am [TS]

00:40:43   mindful about it i'm out there making [TS]

00:40:45   little micro decisions about everything [TS]

00:40:47   that lamp Pole stupid and dumb place for [TS]

00:40:49   a stop sign [TS]

00:40:50   what's up with that guy's hair like [TS]

00:40:52   that's that's my mo unless I catch [TS]

00:40:54   myself oh my God if I i could do an [TS]

00:40:56   entire television show of the entire [TS]

00:40:58   television show called what a dumb place [TS]

00:41:01   for a stop sign [TS]

00:41:02   like I can't that conversation out loud [TS]

00:41:06   with myself everyday but fuck is that [TS]

00:41:08   stop sign doing there what the fuck [TS]

00:41:11   well I i could fill in your must-see [TS]

00:41:13   must be Thursday by coming in at [TS]

00:41:15   eight-thirty with why the fuck is there [TS]

00:41:16   not a stop sign here [TS]

00:41:18   well we're there no but there are places [TS]

00:41:20   in mind [TS]

00:41:21   neighborhood you know how people drive [TS]

00:41:22   in my neighborhood and there are places [TS]

00:41:23   where like you know there's that little [TS]

00:41:25   park south of our house where the [TS]

00:41:27   streets kind of terminate right with the [TS]

00:41:29   park starts and there are no stop signs [TS]

00:41:31   at the end of the down hill avenue [TS]

00:41:33   heading towards the park there are no [TS]

00:41:34   stop signs [TS]

00:41:35   there are also no stop signs on the [TS]

00:41:37   cross street and across well and [TS]

00:41:39   somebody died last week [TS]

00:41:41   oh no no yeah somebody hit by taxi last [TS]

00:41:44   week and that's just that's just the [TS]

00:41:46   thing you know stop signs are costly [TS]

00:41:47   well there there's an intersection like [TS]

00:41:49   that right by my house where the [TS]

00:41:51   arterial not to use technical terms is [TS]

00:41:54   the one we got in a fight with the [TS]

00:41:55   Serbian guy and he made a gesture at you [TS]

00:41:57   yes same one yeah yeah the arterial [TS]

00:42:00   turns and there is a spur off of the [TS]

00:42:04   arterial that goes exactly one block [TS]

00:42:07   there are eight houses down there with a [TS]

00:42:11   grand total of twenty-two people how [TS]

00:42:14   many times have you ever seen somebody [TS]

00:42:16   go in that direction [TS]

00:42:17   well and that's the thing i can count [TS]

00:42:18   the number of times it's five times in [TS]

00:42:20   seven years in the meantime that the the [TS]

00:42:24   turn is you know that it's there 700 [TS]

00:42:29   cars a day make this turn but the turn [TS]

00:42:32   requires that they go across you know [TS]

00:42:34   like like go out into what would what [TS]

00:42:39   would be oncoming traffic if that was a [TS]

00:42:40   through Road but what's amazing to me is [TS]

00:42:44   that the that that that those 20 people [TS]

00:42:46   who live down that spur road and you see [TS]

00:42:49   them do it like they drive 40 miles an [TS]

00:42:53   hour through that intersection without [TS]

00:42:56   looking left or right because they're [TS]

00:42:58   asserting the fact that they have the [TS]

00:43:02   because their street is straight the [TS]

00:43:04   direction they're going in his straight [TS]

00:43:06   so therefore they don't need to look you [TS]

00:43:09   should look you should look out for them [TS]

00:43:11   there's no sign of any kind no yield [TS]

00:43:14   sign and so they feel like they have the [TS]

00:43:17   right-of-way and and I every time it [TS]

00:43:21   happens I look and I'm like you may [TS]

00:43:23   technically have the right away if a cop [TS]

00:43:27   if there was an accident and a cop was [TS]

00:43:29   here the cop would have very little [TS]

00:43:31   choice but to say well this person was [TS]

00:43:34   dry [TS]

00:43:34   going straight and so it's the person [TS]

00:43:37   who's turning who has the responsibility [TS]

00:43:39   but it's kind of a blind corner over and [TS]

00:43:43   what I want to say to each one of these [TS]

00:43:46   people i want to go down and leave a [TS]

00:43:47   flyer on every doorstep in that [TS]

00:43:50   neighborhood that on that one block [TS]

00:43:52   street is like the the fact that you [TS]

00:43:55   technically have the right-of-way does [TS]

00:43:57   not change does not mean that you live [TS]

00:44:02   in a bubble of safety right [TS]

00:44:04   the law does not is not going to protect [TS]

00:44:07   you from causing an accident and it [TS]

00:44:09   would be you causing an accident to go [TS]

00:44:12   hurtling through this i like it like [TS]

00:44:14   that my daughter like when you're dead [TS]

00:44:16   doesn't matter is right right and I got [TS]

00:44:19   into a confrontation with somebody I [TS]

00:44:21   mean what we might have even talked [TS]

00:44:22   about it [TS]

00:44:23   confrontation with somebody where I was [TS]

00:44:24   I was backing into a parking spot on a [TS]

00:44:27   busy street and the guy comes in likes [TS]

00:44:30   wax the back of my car because he [TS]

00:44:32   decided he was crossing mid-block at [TS]

00:44:34   that point and cheese as I'm backing [TS]

00:44:37   into parties about checking my left [TS]

00:44:39   mirror checking my rear view mirror [TS]

00:44:40   checking the side mirror looking at the [TS]

00:44:42   back window [TS]

00:44:43   I failed to also account for the fact [TS]

00:44:45   that a guy might be might a pedestrian [TS]

00:44:48   might decide to cross behind up a car [TS]

00:44:51   that's parking and he was upset because [TS]

00:44:54   because in his world pedestrians have [TS]

00:44:56   the right away [TS]

00:44:57   well they do the right away unless [TS]

00:44:59   they're breaking the fucking law [TS]

00:45:01   well but in seattle there is this you [TS]

00:45:03   cross in the middle of the street and [TS]

00:45:05   hit somebody's car that's kinda lame [TS]

00:45:06   it's very confusing the law in Seattle [TS]

00:45:09   because technically I think or or or [TS]

00:45:12   rather the common understanding among [TS]

00:45:14   pedestrians in seattle is that they have [TS]

00:45:17   the ultimate right-of-way that's just [TS]

00:45:20   the Pope well and and every pedestrian [TS]

00:45:23   in seattle believes he or she is the [TS]

00:45:25   Pope and when I was a when I in the many [TS]

00:45:28   years that I didn't have a car i walked [TS]

00:45:30   around Seattle with a very Imperial [TS]

00:45:33   sense that the pedestrian was God in [TS]

00:45:38   seattle and you see it it's very [TS]

00:45:40   confusing to people from other places [TS]

00:45:42   because cars will often stopped to let a [TS]

00:45:45   pedestrian cross [TS]

00:45:47   in them in mid block in the middle of a [TS]

00:45:50   busy street at the in the peak of the [TS]

00:45:53   day like somebody just standing there on [TS]

00:45:56   the side of the road and looking around [TS]

00:45:59   not even looking like they want to cross [TS]

00:46:01   the street just standing there looking [TS]

00:46:02   around and a Seattle driver will come to [TS]

00:46:05   a stop and wait for this person to [TS]

00:46:07   indicate what their plan is right and [TS]

00:46:11   it's just like that so that is part of [TS]

00:46:13   the culture got that'sthat's good [TS]

00:46:15   culture it is especially as it [TS]

00:46:17   encourages eye contact about what's [TS]

00:46:18   going to happen next [TS]

00:46:19   it's it's it's it's fantastic but the [TS]

00:46:22   problem is it is not universally [TS]

00:46:24   practiced by your side [TS]

00:46:26   yeah and the law is I think the law is [TS]

00:46:28   that if you're standing on the sidewalk [TS]

00:46:30   cars can go but if you step into the [TS]

00:46:33   street looking like you're going to [TS]

00:46:35   cross you actually the cars actually do [TS]

00:46:37   have to yield to you [TS]

00:46:39   the only people who routinely do not [TS]

00:46:42   practice this are the police like you I [TS]

00:46:46   multiple times and my mom has written a [TS]

00:46:49   thousand angry letters to the editor [TS]

00:46:50   she's never published but you step into [TS]

00:46:53   the into the crosswalk [TS]

00:46:55   look you know trying to make eye contact [TS]

00:46:57   with the oncoming car and if it's a cop [TS]

00:47:00   they can tell vroom yeah they just blow [TS]

00:47:03   it blow through without you know you [TS]

00:47:05   know we get that here you know because [TS]

00:47:07   they're very important people the police [TS]

00:47:09   and they're probably on their way to [TS]

00:47:13   something important with the lights off [TS]

00:47:15   yeah with their lights often like you [TS]

00:47:18   know there's there there there tie loose [TS]

00:47:20   or whatever they're they're on their way [TS]

00:47:21   to stare out there on their way to their [TS]

00:47:22   break anyway so so with in seattle [TS]

00:47:27   culture and a many many many many many [TS]

00:47:29   times I would walk out into the street [TS]

00:47:31   cause cause I a driver to need to like [TS]

00:47:36   not stand on it but like break when he [TS]

00:47:40   was not anticipating breaking and then [TS]

00:47:43   as I'm walking across I'm just [TS]

00:47:44   eyeballing him like because i was 26 and [TS]

00:47:49   I didn't understand how hard it was to [TS]

00:47:51   wash your clothes every day and I what I [TS]

00:47:54   didn't understand was that if if he were [TS]

00:47:58   to touch me with his bumper there would [TS]

00:48:00   be a problem [TS]

00:48:01   it would be his problem but now as a [TS]

00:48:05   driver you know I encounter on a fairly [TS]

00:48:08   regular basis people with us with a [TS]

00:48:11   similar attitude who are just mistaken [TS]

00:48:13   about they may not be mistaken that if [TS]

00:48:17   this went to trial that they would [TS]

00:48:20   prevail but they are mistaken in [TS]

00:48:23   thinking bet they are protected from [TS]

00:48:26   injury and that they aren't like causing [TS]

00:48:30   a problem like a like a like a major [TS]

00:48:33   problem for the city by acting like [TS]

00:48:36   they're bulletproof and acting like the [TS]

00:48:39   you know like if if a driver has just [TS]

00:48:42   like Skid to avoid hitting you because [TS]

00:48:47   you decided that this was the moment you [TS]

00:48:49   wanted to you wanted to assert [TS]

00:48:52   pedestrian a predominance or whatever [TS]

00:48:55   preeminence here it's not a safe [TS]

00:48:59   situation right so I see that a lot and [TS]

00:49:03   I and it's on the list of lectures that [TS]

00:49:07   I want to give when i get when i finally [TS]

00:49:09   install the the police bullhorn in my [TS]

00:49:12   car [TS]

00:49:13   that's one of the reasons no one should [TS]

00:49:15   be allowed to drive until the 30 because [TS]

00:49:18   his hormones are going to lead you to do [TS]

00:49:19   a lot of dumb stuff [TS]

00:49:21   oh this is a good plan we've never [TS]

00:49:22   talked about this plan well I have been [TS]

00:49:24   i think i'd love to dovetail with you on [TS]

00:49:26   this because i think i might have a [TS]

00:49:28   pretty exhaustive and persuasive theory [TS]

00:49:30   about how how the pedestrian and the [TS]

00:49:32   motorist might be able to get along [TS]

00:49:33   better [TS]

00:49:34   so drivers life or infinitive on all [TS]

00:49:36   sides let me assure you you have to you [TS]

00:49:38   have to wait until you're 30 to get a [TS]

00:49:39   driver's license and got to practice [TS]

00:49:41   privately for the 14 years preceding [TS]

00:49:43   that you have to go somewhere you pay [TS]

00:49:45   your on a track in a controlled [TS]

00:49:46   environment is a gun tower and you have [TS]

00:49:48   to show that you can drive like a [TS]

00:49:49   gentleman and then at 60 years old [TS]

00:49:51   you have to start let's say yeah let's [TS]

00:49:54   say sixty 60 years only making the [TS]

00:49:57   weekends at 60 you have to start going [TS]

00:49:59   to quarterly a like passing quarterly [TS]

00:50:03   tests agility test to like maybe we have [TS]

00:50:07   to do like an obstacle course you get [TS]

00:50:09   pop quizzes people just show up here in [TS]

00:50:10   your house and test yet [TS]

00:50:12   and then it's 70 it goes to once a month [TS]

00:50:14   right and then it's 75 they just take [TS]

00:50:16   your keys away in your in your writing [TS]

00:50:18   on the old people bus i I'm a very [TS]

00:50:22   defensive pedestrian in the same way [TS]

00:50:24   that we were taught to be defensive [TS]

00:50:25   drivers and which means which means I [TS]

00:50:27   just I take it very seriously and [TS]

00:50:29   especially after I walked around with my [TS]

00:50:31   kid because it's not this is super [TS]

00:50:34   boring but when he got on so well you [TS]

00:50:37   know our neighborhood is all pretty much [TS]

00:50:39   there's tons of four-way stops which [TS]

00:50:42   means as you know what I'm opposed to [TS]

00:50:44   well here's the problem if you put five [TS]

00:50:46   stop signs more or less in a row you [TS]

00:50:48   know what that means people going to [TS]

00:50:49   blow through them i know i'm not a fan [TS]

00:50:51   of four-way stops before he stops to [TS]

00:50:53   have an unimpeachable logic to them [TS]

00:50:55   whether it's good for traffic or not is [TS]

00:50:57   different but there's no question what [TS]

00:50:58   you do at a four-way stop [TS]

00:51:00   it's really simple everybody stops full [TS]

00:51:03   stop whoever got their first goes right [TS]

00:51:06   whichever whichever whichever car got [TS]

00:51:07   there to steps on first thing first [TS]

00:51:09   unless you gather at the same time than [TS]

00:51:10   the one on the right goes first [TS]

00:51:11   this is this is a blah right but [TS]

00:51:14   although although what happens at a [TS]

00:51:15   four-way stop in America or with a lot [TS]

00:51:18   of people is a bellingham a little bit [TS]

00:51:20   well or they assume that it's a four-way [TS]

00:51:22   stop so the other three people are going [TS]

00:51:24   to stop this this is this is why what [TS]

00:51:26   I'm getting to is the ultimate lesson in [TS]

00:51:28   civics that I have for my daughter after [TS]

00:51:30   keep moving and get out of the way is to [TS]

00:51:32   understand how would an analogy the [TS]

00:51:34   four-way stop is for like how we live [TS]

00:51:36   together where it's like you know if [TS]

00:51:38   everybody like nobody loves stopping at [TS]

00:51:40   a stop sign [TS]

00:51:41   it's a real pain because you've got to [TS]

00:51:42   stop the car you're not getting there is [TS]

00:51:43   fast but if everybody stops at that [TS]

00:51:45   four-way stop and honors those rules [TS]

00:51:47   that I just laid out which I think are [TS]

00:51:49   pretty nearly universal everything will [TS]

00:51:51   be fine [TS]

00:51:51   the problem is neither be does that [TS]

00:51:53   still if 99% of people do that that [TS]

00:51:56   means one out of a hundred people is [TS]

00:51:58   going to blow through that stop sign and [TS]

00:51:59   you know what I have to tell you [TS]

00:52:00   honestly things will be fine day and [TS]

00:52:04   actually disturbing amount of the time a [TS]

00:52:06   sad amount of the time everything will [TS]

00:52:08   be fine because this is one asshole [TS]

00:52:10   it's not honoring what everybody else [TS]

00:52:11   does but because they're honoring it [TS]

00:52:12   they're still stop while this guy flies [TS]

00:52:14   through it so right and he's a special [TS]

00:52:16   guy you know always a real special gun [TS]

00:52:18   special so nobody died for a while [TS]

00:52:20   unless he didn't see them or something [TS]

00:52:23   the problem comes becomes when more than [TS]

00:52:26   more than a couple people think that's [TS]

00:52:27   okay and that's to 2nd tying to special [TS]

00:52:29   guys [TS]

00:52:30   yep exactly and that's kind of to me [TS]

00:52:32   that's a pretty good lesson in civics [TS]

00:52:33   works but in any case it does not change [TS]

00:52:35   the fact that we did the right thing [TS]

00:52:36   that we stop here and you make eye [TS]

00:52:38   contact and you look and and you drive [TS]

00:52:40   you drive and walk in a way that is [TS]

00:52:42   alert and so like to me like the eye [TS]

00:52:45   contact thing in the hand gesture thing [TS]

00:52:47   the nice hand gesture thing is a really [TS]

00:52:48   good thing [TS]

00:52:49   okay let's try this John Rother i get to [TS]

00:52:51   a stop sign somebody sees my daughter [TS]

00:52:52   died waiting there like I treat myself [TS]

00:52:54   like a car i wait if they're there i [TS]

00:52:56   give them the wave and then please go [TS]

00:52:58   right ahead and then they gave me this [TS]

00:53:00   ok night and i say i don't think then [TS]

00:53:04   they give you that they get me the more [TS]

00:53:05   aggressive like no I'm later you go [TS]

00:53:07   never ever take the wave and walk [TS]

00:53:10   through the crosswalk because they can't [TS]

00:53:12   see what you see [TS]

00:53:13   yeah yeah well different you know yeah [TS]

00:53:15   when people can people when people do [TS]

00:53:19   that when they know when they're like no [TS]

00:53:21   you go i always take out my phone that's [TS]

00:53:24   just start looking at Twitter III then [TS]

00:53:27   the one time i will make eye contact up [TS]

00:53:29   to the point where I want them to go and [TS]

00:53:31   they're actually i don't see them and [TS]

00:53:32   I'll stare all talk to my daughter way [TS]

00:53:33   for them to go well then this is the [TS]

00:53:35   this is why i think that the four-way [TS]

00:53:38   stops should just be they all for the [TS]

00:53:41   stop sign should go away because you [TS]

00:53:44   know in a situation where it's a [TS]

00:53:45   four-way stop technically that is a [TS]

00:53:47   four-way stop it might as well if [TS]

00:53:49   there's no signal it's a four-way stop [TS]

00:53:51   that's right and and so what what [TS]

00:53:53   happens with what happens with the 4-way [TS]

00:53:55   stop is it lulls people into thinking [TS]

00:53:57   that that some super authority is in [TS]

00:54:00   charge [TS]

00:54:01   thanks Obama thanks Obama that's right [TS]

00:54:03   whereas I a four-way uncontrolled [TS]

00:54:06   intersection everybody is personally [TS]

00:54:08   responsible and slender down there could [TS]

00:54:11   be watching their that's right and so [TS]

00:54:13   you know so they may not stop but [TS]

00:54:15   everybody's shit lookin out [TS]

00:54:18   yeah going into a four-way uncontrolled [TS]

00:54:20   intersection and ultimately that's your [TS]

00:54:21   point that's what they should you know [TS]

00:54:22   what you want is everybody's complete [TS]

00:54:24   attention and and stop signs create [TS]

00:54:28   create a an environment where over time [TS]

00:54:33   people just get lulled into into a state [TS]

00:54:37   of like duh [TS]

00:54:38   i'll send you a link to a PDF that I [TS]

00:54:41   think you will find very interesting [TS]

00:54:42   only see probably you know i love links [TS]

00:54:45   to PDF well especially if it's about the [TS]

00:54:48   project to try and make our streetcar [TS]

00:54:50   line faster and more efficient and then [TS]

00:54:52   changes that they will be making which [TS]

00:54:54   are somewhat fascinating in a little bit [TS]

00:54:55   scary but I'm glad to see them putting [TS]

00:54:57   some thought into it i'm very excited as [TS]

00:54:59   your student this you go and you do [TS]

00:55:01   something a couple dozen times and [TS]

00:55:03   pretty soon you're like you're like an [TS]

00:55:04   associate professor of that topic right [TS]

00:55:05   that's right you know how to make this [TS]

00:55:07   thing better I know how to make the walk [TS]

00:55:08   the line at walgreens better [TS]

00:55:10   that's right right I i could do I don't [TS]

00:55:12   know you got the will to power walgreens [TS]

00:55:14   should pay you a million dollars a year [TS]

00:55:16   like they're paying Jeb Bush for [TS]

00:55:17   whatever is everything speak well no [TS]

00:55:19   it's not walgreens it's Barclays but [TS]

00:55:22   somebody's paying Jeb Bush a million [TS]

00:55:24   dollars a year i should be on some kind [TS]

00:55:25   of walgreens retainer for sure but i [TS]

00:55:28   think there might be some traffic [TS]

00:55:29   calming coming which is one of those [TS]

00:55:30   things where you can get that done right [TS]

00:55:32   I just hope we don't lose our stop sign [TS]

00:55:34   I like our stop sign yeah traffic [TS]

00:55:35   calming I know that's that starts to [TS]

00:55:38   think it starts to feel like it's the it [TS]

00:55:40   is the it's the local transportation [TS]

00:55:42   boards version of public housing we're [TS]

00:55:46   trying to solve a problem with a by [TS]

00:55:48   creating like 20 more problems [TS]

00:55:51   yeah yeah it's a you know it's it's a [TS]

00:55:53   classic liberal idea it's almost like [TS]

00:55:56   let me help you get a I know you need [TS]

00:55:58   work so I'm going to get you a job [TS]

00:55:59   working in fast food we have to own a [TS]

00:56:01   car to get there and you make a college [TS]

00:56:03   that will help you and and you have to [TS]

00:56:06   live an hour and a half away because [TS]

00:56:08   because because change can't afford to [TS]

00:56:10   live in the city [TS]

00:56:11   well i was i was a i was walking around [TS]

00:56:14   the other day and I and I and I stopped [TS]

00:56:17   a train track to let train go by and I [TS]

00:56:22   was watching the train and I was [TS]

00:56:23   thinking about the trains in America and [TS]

00:56:27   I was like you know what the trains in [TS]

00:56:29   America needs some reform I have a I [TS]

00:56:34   have a big plan [TS]

00:56:35   I have a big I have a big picture I mean [TS]

00:56:37   I'm just standing here watching this one [TS]

00:56:39   train go by but in the course of that 10 [TS]

00:56:42   minutes of waiting i developed a very a [TS]

00:56:44   pretty big comprehensive picture of [TS]

00:56:46   trains in America and what I thought the [TS]

00:56:49   problems were and how I needed to reform [TS]

00:56:51   them and so I'm out for a walk and now [TS]

00:56:56   i'm in train reform mode and so I [TS]

00:57:00   started you know so i started [TS]

00:57:01   daydreaming I start fantasizing about [TS]

00:57:03   like what would it take for me to be in [TS]

00:57:05   it in a position where my trend reforms [TS]

00:57:08   could really be enacted with whatever [TS]

00:57:11   jumping ahead to ask if you could lay [TS]

00:57:12   out a little bit about the problem space [TS]

00:57:14   as you see it in in leading up to your [TS]

00:57:16   trainer for programmer sure well so have [TS]

00:57:19   you had what you had eight or ten [TS]

00:57:20   minutes to sit there [TS]

00:57:21   yeah so scared to training things so the [TS]

00:57:24   trains you know the reason that that the [TS]

00:57:26   the trains were built a big part of it [TS]

00:57:30   was that the the the federal government [TS]

00:57:33   granted the railroads all these enormous [TS]

00:57:36   land grants that not only enabled them [TS]

00:57:40   to build the railroads because of course [TS]

00:57:42   they needed the land but the the federal [TS]

00:57:48   government granted them tremendous land [TS]

00:57:50   around the railroads that they were you [TS]

00:57:54   know that was the that was their [TS]

00:57:56   incentive to build the railroads because [TS]

00:57:58   once they built the railroads than they [TS]

00:58:00   were in the land business is a pretty [TS]

00:58:02   good deal they owned the land around [TS]

00:58:04   little building in a kind of [TS]

00:58:06   checkerboard pass you could put the [TS]

00:58:08   train where you want and then make a [TS]

00:58:09   town [TS]

00:58:10   well no like we need you did we need you [TS]

00:58:12   to build the train out to San Francisco [TS]

00:58:13   but we're not going to expect you two to [TS]

00:58:16   make this a tremendous capital [TS]

00:58:18   investment and then just be the guys who [TS]

00:58:22   are trying to make that money back by [TS]

00:58:25   selling train tickets like I mean this [TS]

00:58:28   is the plot of every Western I mean [TS]

00:58:32   every other western right was like well [TS]

00:58:35   the train's coming through but there you [TS]

00:58:36   know but they're running it and running [TS]

00:58:38   around the towels girl or racially [TS]

00:58:41   sensitive municipally minded Western [TS]

00:58:43   yeah right exactly [TS]

00:58:45   this is the this is the Western where [TS]

00:58:46   the problem is that you know that the [TS]

00:58:48   judge is corrupt not the natalie wood [TS]

00:58:51   was kidnapped right anyway so the [TS]

00:58:56   railroads became the rarest became very [TS]

00:58:58   rich and the railroads that and became [TS]

00:59:01   rich off of the public [TS]

00:59:04   I'm basically off of the public like and [TS]

00:59:07   this is the great thing about federal [TS]

00:59:08   land grants or federal grazing rights or [TS]

00:59:12   federal water rights or all these [TS]

00:59:14   federal grants that were initially made [TS]

00:59:17   by the government as an incentive for [TS]

00:59:19   somebody to go turn the Southern [TS]

00:59:21   California desert into strawberry farms [TS]

00:59:23   or you know or build a dam or whatever [TS]

00:59:26   it is the federal government wanted you [TS]

00:59:28   to do they they they pay they paid you [TS]

00:59:30   in land so often land and resources [TS]

00:59:34   rights which people immediately think of [TS]

00:59:37   as that God gave them those things right [TS]

00:59:41   and that those land grants and rights to [TS]

00:59:45   resources and land are something like us [TS]

00:59:49   something at age-old and with a you know [TS]

00:59:52   like this whole business of this Yahoo [TS]

00:59:55   down in in Nevada who feels like his [TS]

00:59:58   right to graze cattle on [TS]

00:59:58   right to graze cattle on [TS]

01:00:00   federal land is some some god-given [TS]

01:00:03   right you know and it's a very common [TS]

01:00:06   it's very common thing in and so many of [TS]

01:00:08   the oil companies and mining companies [TS]

01:00:11   timber companies railroads the farmers [TS]

01:00:16   like they're all being subsidized by the [TS]

01:00:20   government by the federal government but [TS]

01:00:23   they act they believe not just act they [TS]

01:00:25   believe that those grants are some are [TS]

01:00:32   something that preceded the government [TS]

01:00:34   and that the government has no right to [TS]

01:00:38   administrate I guess anyway so the so [TS]

01:00:42   we're in a situation now where the [TS]

01:00:43   railroad I mean like these a 2.2 say let [TS]

01:00:46   me see your kid that's a privilege not a [TS]

01:00:48   right like they feel like it's the right [TS]

01:00:51   oh they absolutely it's not a freebie [TS]

01:00:53   they were lucky enough to lottery their [TS]

01:00:54   way into it's something they should have [TS]

01:00:56   gotten sooner probably yeah and and then [TS]

01:00:58   they can point to the fact that they [TS]

01:01:00   earned it you know the railroads earned [TS]

01:01:02   it because in 1860 some some like [TS]

01:01:06   corporate forefather of theirs built a [TS]

01:01:09   railroad although that was a subsidized [TS]

01:01:12   process to it's not like any of those [TS]

01:01:14   guys were actually out [TS]

01:01:16   hammering spikes mean that was like they [TS]

01:01:19   were paying they were paying chinese and [TS]

01:01:22   and Italian people like a penny a day to [TS]

01:01:26   do it like there's the the idea that the [TS]

01:01:30   idea that it's a right is not something [TS]

01:01:32   that they feel it is they they know it [TS]

01:01:35   is a right it is they have made sure [TS]

01:01:37   over the over a hundred and fifty years [TS]

01:01:39   that they have enshrined in the law [TS]

01:01:41   multiple times that it's a right so that [TS]

01:01:44   every congressman they had in their [TS]

01:01:46   pocket over the last hundred fifty years [TS]

01:01:48   has introduced a new layer of [TS]

01:01:50   legislation that enshrines it Alec [TS]

01:01:53   disney and copyright yeah right i mean [TS]

01:01:56   like you got this thing that one time [TS]

01:01:58   that we should get that forever [TS]

01:01:59   is it absolutely and so so Burlington [TS]

01:02:03   Northern or a you know [TS]

01:02:05   santafe railroad or whatever these [TS]

01:02:07   companies which are which are like [TS]

01:02:11   corporate entities that have [TS]

01:02:13   that have absorbed 25 smaller railroads [TS]

01:02:17   and it's all changed hands a thousand [TS]

01:02:18   times and it was owned by Monsanto at [TS]

01:02:21   one point and you know like now it's [TS]

01:02:24   owned by Berkshire Hathaway but the [TS]

01:02:27   railroad a you know their rights to [TS]

01:02:30   those corridors are in volumes you know [TS]

01:02:36   like they not [TS]

01:02:39   not only do they feel like they have [TS]

01:02:41   like a like a a enshrined right to these [TS]

01:02:49   enormous quarters right through the [TS]

01:02:51   center of every American place but that [TS]

01:02:56   they allow their they graciously allow [TS]

01:03:03   for instance amtrak to lease a certain [TS]

01:03:11   amount of time on the on that track [TS]

01:03:15   well let's say three times a day they [TS]

01:03:18   allow amtrak to run a passenger train [TS]

01:03:21   from X to Y but that's it there's no you [TS]

01:03:27   know you can't you can't introduce a [TS]

01:03:29   fourth train into the mix [TS]

01:03:31   no matter how many people are riding the [TS]

01:03:35   trains or whatever and you know and it's [TS]

01:03:40   and at and the other arguments for why [TS]

01:03:42   it's non-negotiable or why that there's [TS]

01:03:44   no access to that to that track i mean [TS]

01:03:48   they're they're 40 argument some of them [TS]

01:03:50   economic some of them Imperial but no [TS]

01:03:54   awareness or no sense of like what which [TS]

01:03:59   would should be true which is that [TS]

01:04:01   yeah we you were granted this stuff a [TS]

01:04:04   long time ago and really ultimately like [TS]

01:04:07   that Grant is a grant that we [TS]

01:04:11   are making to you everyday based on it [TS]

01:04:15   like we're making a good-faith we are we [TS]

01:04:17   are redesigning that grant to you [TS]

01:04:19   everyday until until it is a but it [TS]

01:04:24   doesn't work anymore like there is no [TS]

01:04:27   reason why we shouldn't accept except [TS]

01:04:29   for the vested interests of a thousand [TS]

01:04:31   of pieces of legislation over the last [TS]

01:04:34   hundred years there's no reason why any [TS]

01:04:36   Secretary of Transportation shouldn't [TS]

01:04:38   say you know what let's revisit this [TS]

01:04:40   let's revisit the rights of way of every [TS]

01:04:44   railroad in the country and figure out [TS]

01:04:46   what's the best like we're that the [TS]

01:04:48   nation is a system the National [TS]

01:04:50   Transportation great is a system and [TS]

01:04:52   rather than have 40 different [TS]

01:04:54   jurisdictions and 40 different little [TS]

01:04:56   fiefdoms and all these people sitting on [TS]

01:04:59   boards of directors saying well we can't [TS]

01:05:01   let another we can repurpose these [TS]

01:05:04   tracks or these rights of way because [TS]

01:05:06   because economics you know it we should [TS]

01:05:10   be able to look at we should be able to [TS]

01:05:12   look at that grid and this is the thing [TS]

01:05:14   about the energy grid about the highway [TS]

01:05:17   grid about like all the all the way that [TS]

01:05:22   resources are extracted and moved about [TS]

01:05:25   the country it their all grids and they [TS]

01:05:29   are being administered by you know all [TS]

01:05:34   these micro jurisdictions and they're in [TS]

01:05:38   there isn't there isn't the will to say [TS]

01:05:43   no you know what this is a great it [TS]

01:05:45   needs to run it needs to run smoothly [TS]

01:05:47   and it needs to run and some editing the [TS]

01:05:50   decisions need to be made from one place [TS]

01:05:52   i mean that that scares a lot of people [TS]

01:05:55   but anyway this was my fantasy as i [TS]

01:05:59   walked along the street thinking you [TS]

01:06:01   know really the only job for me is [TS]

01:06:03   Secretary of Transportation I'll guy [TS]

01:06:05   that would be good and if I would you [TS]

01:06:07   retired or which you would you want to [TS]

01:06:09   have the job for no I don't want to have [TS]

01:06:10   this job in the problem with it for you [TS]

01:06:12   the problem with it would be that you [TS]

01:06:13   would you would as soon as I mean if I [TS]

01:06:16   were ever nominated for the Secretary of [TS]

01:06:18   Transportation they would listen some [TS]

01:06:21   staffer would listen to this podcast all [TS]

01:06:23   through and then they would prepare a [TS]

01:06:26   very red type memo like all caps memo [TS]

01:06:32   saying listen we need to get in front of [TS]

01:06:36   this guy fast see I think this is not [TS]

01:06:39   even thinking about this and there's so [TS]

01:06:41   many things where it seems to me like [TS]

01:06:42   first we have to have staged on a [TS]

01:06:44   personal level it seems like you cut [TS]

01:06:46   yourself short a lot of these things you [TS]

01:06:48   tell you figure out why you can't be a [TS]

01:06:49   CIA agent figure out why you can't be [TS]

01:06:51   the excuse me operative the the retired [TS]

01:06:53   director of the CIA all these different [TS]

01:06:55   things you've already figured out how [TS]

01:06:56   you can get there because of the system [TS]

01:06:58   like what if you were more like a ronin [TS]

01:07:01   right [TS]

01:07:02   like what if you are somebody who is [TS]

01:07:04   like hired by the community so what if [TS]

01:07:06   what if instead of being elected [TS]

01:07:07   transferred secretary transportation you [TS]

01:07:09   were basically a crowdfunded you be the [TS]

01:07:13   these are of Transportation a ground [TS]

01:07:16   swell of popular demand [TS]

01:07:18   yes and it's like no we have we've [TS]

01:07:20   decided to secretary of transportation [TS]

01:07:21   is it is the Tsar is deeper than [TS]

01:07:23   grassroots is like this isn't deep [TS]

01:07:26   tendrils I'm just saying the thing is [TS]

01:07:27   it's one thing to go to uh huh [TS]

01:07:29   15 guys gonna make it through the Senate [TS]

01:07:30   hearing when you know what time he [TS]

01:07:32   smoked pot in 1978 in your case there's [TS]

01:07:35   not gonna be anybody looking back I mean [TS]

01:07:37   if you've got them literally the Mandate [TS]

01:07:39   of the people if they pay your salary [TS]

01:07:41   and maybe some kind of a one-armed [TS]

01:07:43   expeditionary force but some something [TS]

01:07:45   you could have on your side you go in [TS]

01:07:47   there day one you just start deciding [TS]

01:07:49   that everything in America is basically [TS]

01:07:51   an easement and then we decide you're [TS]

01:07:54   all sharing all of this right that's [TS]

01:07:56   what we could pull your easement rights [TS]

01:07:57   at any time [TS]

01:07:58   well I'll start all over let's ditch [TS]

01:07:59   that I'm glad it's here we enjoyed your [TS]

01:08:01   railway thank you very much mr. uh mr. [TS]

01:08:03   railroad barons great great great great [TS]

01:08:06   grand daughter but let's let's zero out [TS]

01:08:10   the faders here start again in jars are [TS]

01:08:12   John has some ideas for how we're gonna [TS]

01:08:14   move the grid around [TS]

01:08:15   yeah that's exactly right and you know [TS]

01:08:17   the regulating the trucking industry [TS]

01:08:18   haha i mean and anything that even [TS]

01:08:22   considered even vaguely regulated at [TS]

01:08:24   this point all just only the finest you [TS]

01:08:27   can regulate the shit [TS]

01:08:28   out of that but so so here we go we got [TS]

01:08:30   the trucking industry we got the [TS]

01:08:31   railroad industry these are big vested [TS]

01:08:33   interests and yet where are the [TS]

01:08:36   resources for the gondola industry [TS]

01:08:39   yeah absolutely ziplines the economies [TS]

01:08:41   of scale that you could get together by [TS]

01:08:43   bringing the gondola and see the postal [TS]

01:08:44   service together for so many economies [TS]

01:08:46   of scale to this that are being silly [TS]

01:08:48   little five times right now John got a [TS]

01:08:50   bunch of assistant vice president from [TS]

01:08:51   around the goddamn country you have to [TS]

01:08:53   look at it as a system and the Postal [TS]

01:08:55   Service's a perfect example i was [TS]

01:08:56   thinking about that the other day as I [TS]

01:08:58   walked past the post office the public [TS]

01:09:00   like grind my teeth wondering why we [TS]

01:09:01   just don't get mail at the post office [TS]

01:09:04   and the and the amtrak both have a that [TS]

01:09:08   they're they're branded very similarly [TS]

01:09:10   in a kind of like faded red and blue and [TS]

01:09:14   gray motif there's this slogan for [TS]

01:09:17   Amtrak and usps should be a middle-aged [TS]

01:09:20   man shrugging his social right it's been [TS]

01:09:22   behind behind kind of like some [TS]

01:09:24   bulletproof glass like new can't help [TS]

01:09:27   but like hard tho those those two things [TS]

01:09:32   like that that the health of Amtrak and [TS]

01:09:36   the help of the postal service should be [TS]

01:09:39   in some ways [TS]

01:09:41   well now we're not let me let me let me [TS]

01:09:42   revisit that because i was thinking [TS]

01:09:44   about money you have plenty of time to [TS]

01:09:46   figure out all the details out each big [TS]

01:09:47   picture is what's important at this [TS]

01:09:49   point i was thinking about is the post [TS]

01:09:51   office just a thing like the telegraph [TS]

01:09:55   service that with that we used for a [TS]

01:09:59   long time and where we were we felt very [TS]

01:10:01   romantically about it but it but it's [TS]

01:10:04   just a an anachronism and we and there's [TS]

01:10:08   no reason to preserve it any more than [TS]

01:10:10   there was a reason to preserve the [TS]

01:10:12   kinect you know the Erie Canal or is a [TS]

01:10:16   postal service like intrinsically part [TS]

01:10:20   of the health of the nation and I mean [TS]

01:10:23   we we still need to move packages around [TS]

01:10:26   is that a business that the government [TS]

01:10:28   needs to be in I [TS]

01:10:32   such a simple solution I can't believe [TS]

01:10:34   no one will listen to me on this I want [TS]

01:10:35   to hear it ok I get here it is [TS]

01:10:37   keep doing everything you're doing keep [TS]

01:10:39   selling pixar stamps and stop the sticky [TS]

01:10:42   note that the key strategy over the last [TS]

01:10:43   few years such as it is has been to sell [TS]

01:10:45   stamps nobody will ever want to use [TS]

01:10:47   which i think is brilliant [TS]

01:10:48   oh it's like it's like against your way [TS]

01:10:50   but yes okay you're ready here's [TS]

01:10:52   Merlin's plan for fixing the postal [TS]

01:10:54   service [TS]

01:10:54   ok mail delivery two days a week monday [TS]

01:10:57   and thursday thank you you're welcome [TS]

01:10:58   wow why do we need daily mail delivery [TS]

01:11:01   you're absolutely right we do not need [TS]

01:11:03   it we don't know Saturday mail delivery [TS]

01:11:05   nobody needs if you need a faster pay to [TS]

01:11:07   have it done faster pay the postal [TS]

01:11:08   service because they've opened up those [TS]

01:11:09   resources where they can compete on [TS]

01:11:11   somewhere between not getting your mail [TS]

01:11:13   and fedex see that is a really really [TS]

01:11:16   good idea like five dollars for like [TS]

01:11:19   what is it was three percent like three [TS]

01:11:20   bucks to get something there in two days [TS]

01:11:22   that should be five dollars if you want [TS]

01:11:24   your mail before that will deliver it to [TS]

01:11:26   this place by hand for five dollars [TS]

01:11:28   Wow from alright so you obviously need [TS]

01:11:32   i'm serving your pleasure but like you [TS]

01:11:34   do anything to help with that [TS]

01:11:35   you know I don't know what I got the [TS]

01:11:37   outfit i could be pretty into it i could [TS]

01:11:39   I just as an admiral but like the trains [TS]

01:11:43   I feel very strongly about the trains as [TS]

01:11:46   you know and the trains God could be [TS]

01:11:50   such a great system and I can't believe [TS]

01:11:55   they're less efficient [TS]

01:11:57   I can't believe that an 18-wheel truck [TS]

01:11:59   is that efficient for the number of [TS]

01:12:01   things that it's used for it's [TS]

01:12:03   absolutely ponders to me that that could [TS]

01:12:05   be it must be i mean people aren't [TS]

01:12:07   stupid people don't spend money where [TS]

01:12:08   they don't have to but I can't believe [TS]

01:12:10   that putting fuel into an 18-wheel truck [TS]

01:12:12   and driving halfway across the country [TS]

01:12:14   is more efficient than putting on a [TS]

01:12:15   train [TS]

01:12:16   I don't understand that I never have [TS]

01:12:17   well you helped me doesn't know why is [TS]

01:12:20   that what people do that's the same [TS]

01:12:21   containers containers i have wondered [TS]

01:12:23   and wondered and wondered about it what [TS]

01:12:27   what sense it makes to have a person who [TS]

01:12:30   is not sleeping [TS]

01:12:32   yeah driving a multi-time truck [TS]

01:12:34   consuming all of those resources yet [TS]

01:12:36   four-and-a-half dollars to get lawn [TS]

01:12:38   chairs to Missouri yeah I don't [TS]

01:12:40   understand it either and it's part of [TS]

01:12:43   the it's part of I guess why I need to [TS]

01:12:46   go [TS]

01:12:46   a master's degree in interstate commerce [TS]

01:12:48   no you need to just you need to tear the [TS]

01:12:50   system open and see what's inside you [TS]

01:12:51   need to whack that fucking yacht and [TS]

01:12:52   find out what's happening in these [TS]

01:12:54   crooked great industries [TS]

01:12:55   yeah it writ it really really confuses [TS]

01:12:58   me like I understand why I barely [TS]

01:13:02   understand how can possibly be [TS]

01:13:05   cost-effective to cut down the trees in [TS]

01:13:10   Washington put them on a giant boat ship [TS]

01:13:14   them to Asia where they are manufactured [TS]

01:13:17   into things that are then put on a ship [TS]

01:13:20   ship back to us [TS]

01:13:23   yes trucked to a store how can we just [TS]

01:13:26   for another millennium how opponent [TS]

01:13:28   dollar ninety-nine like that's the thing [TS]

01:13:31   I don't understand like okay all of that [TS]

01:13:34   I if that's what it takes I guess to [TS]

01:13:36   make that thing [TS]

01:13:38   fine how else is he gonna know he's the [TS]

01:13:40   world's greatest grandpa [TS]

01:13:41   well and so and this is what this is the [TS]

01:13:43   thing that this is the thing that you [TS]

01:13:45   see when you look at old buildings when [TS]

01:13:48   you look at cathedrals you realize that [TS]

01:13:51   up until a hundred years ago the [TS]

01:13:55   cheapest the cheapest element of any [TS]

01:13:59   project was Labor raw materials were [TS]

01:14:04   expensive labor was cheap and you can [TS]

01:14:07   have you can have 25 Italian guys [TS]

01:14:10   sitting with hammers and chisels carving [TS]

01:14:13   the little detail that's going to go on [TS]

01:14:17   the cat the capstone of your building a [TS]

01:14:20   Seraphin penis glans yeah they're just [TS]

01:14:22   going to be sitting and they're gonna [TS]

01:14:23   they're gonna spend a thousand man hours [TS]

01:14:26   carving this decorative element that [TS]

01:14:29   you're going to put up on top of a [TS]

01:14:31   building that is a grain warehouse [TS]

01:14:32   because why not [TS]

01:14:36   we got all these Italians they seem to [TS]

01:14:39   know how to do it we can get him off the [TS]

01:14:41   streets [TS]

01:14:42   it does you know it bricks are more [TS]

01:14:43   expensive a pallet of bricks is cost [TS]

01:14:45   more than this guy's life so yeah you [TS]

01:14:48   know like have him carte have him carve [TS]

01:14:51   all this work in stone now we're living [TS]

01:14:54   in a world completely where that is [TS]

01:14:57   completely inverted labor is [TS]

01:14:59   far and away the most expensive aspect [TS]

01:15:02   of anything [TS]

01:15:03   yeah and so it makes sense to to ship [TS]

01:15:07   this stuff all the way around the world [TS]

01:15:09   just because somewhere else [TS]

01:15:12   there is like an eleven-year-old girl [TS]

01:15:14   with tiny hands that will do the work [TS]

01:15:17   for a penny and and then we're going to [TS]

01:15:21   ship it all the way back and and still [TS]

01:15:23   selling for dollar 99 and still make [TS]

01:15:25   forty percent problems they said [TS]

01:15:27   recording a podcast on the Macintosh [TS]

01:15:29   computer haha [TS]

01:15:30   absolutely i'm saying you're picking my [TS]

01:15:32   teeth with a toothpick that was [TS]

01:15:34   hand-carved for me in Thailand [TS]

01:15:36   Thank You certainly but but it but it is [TS]

01:15:41   insane to me that that can't possibly be [TS]

01:15:44   true and again systemically and this is [TS]

01:15:48   where back to one world government or [TS]

01:15:50   whatever but since the 11 up like a [TS]

01:15:52   global regulatory agency but like that [TS]

01:15:58   grid that system which is ultimately [TS]

01:16:02   like the biggest make-work project in [TS]

01:16:07   human history where somebody some guy [TS]

01:16:11   with like oakley sunglasses up on top of [TS]

01:16:15   his head on the back of his neck on the [TS]

01:16:18   back of his neck says you know what we [TS]

01:16:20   know what we need we need squeezy [TS]

01:16:24   bottles we need we need beer cozies [TS]

01:16:27   that's a big dick on and and so begins [TS]

01:16:33   you know so the fuse is lit and begins [TS]

01:16:36   this you know this massive undertaking [TS]

01:16:39   involving hundreds of people she know [TS]

01:16:43   trans global shipping oil being refined [TS]

01:16:47   you know like boats being built ships [TS]

01:16:52   sinking off the you know off the coast [TS]

01:16:54   and all this stuff and it's just like [TS]

01:16:56   and here come the big dick beer cozies [TS]

01:16:58   that this guy that this guy envisioned [TS]

01:17:01   finally we have we've we've done it [TS]

01:17:04   we've done it we brought you know we [TS]

01:17:06   made these things that we brought him [TS]

01:17:07   here and he's selling them [TS]

01:17:09   he's selling them at the at the [TS]

01:17:11   widespread panic [TS]

01:17:13   show and we feel like we are fucking [TS]

01:17:16   doing it you know like commerce is [TS]

01:17:18   happening we are alive and it's like [TS]

01:17:23   where do you start [TS]

01:17:27   like how far up the chain [TS]

01:17:30   do you want to go before before somebody [TS]

01:17:32   says like what will well but we we don't [TS]

01:17:36   meet that yeah we don't need that should [TS]

01:17:39   be harder that should be harder for that [TS]

01:17:41   asshole to do you know like that and [TS]

01:17:44   that is that that's the ultimate that's [TS]

01:17:47   the ultimate like auntie American thing [TS]

01:17:52   to say the ultimate anti-capitalist [TS]

01:17:54   thing to say [TS]

01:17:55   absolutely it's like that guy who had [TS]

01:17:58   that that barely what you would barely [TS]

01:18:03   describe as an idea that might have a [TS]

01:18:04   typo on it'll still make it [TS]

01:18:06   it should be and it's just it's all [TS]

01:18:08   going to end up in a good well anyway [TS]

01:18:09   big duck yeah that that I think should [TS]

01:18:13   be harder for that guy to accomplish and [TS]

01:18:16   and and the success of his [TS]

01:18:18   accomplishments should not be a thing [TS]

01:18:20   that we all take pride in so maybe there [TS]

01:18:22   should be some kind of a broader [TS]

01:18:23   national kickstarter for every project [TS]

01:18:25   where people would just have to say you [TS]

01:18:27   know or can you know I guess the obvious [TS]

01:18:29   could be a kick stopper or kick positive [TS]

01:18:31   kick spoiler something where people can [TS]

01:18:33   change up and say now we reject this we [TS]

01:18:35   do not want big duck beer koozies I i [TS]

01:18:37   feel like the the US Patent Office the [TS]

01:18:41   patent office should be expanded to a [TS]

01:18:43   global office boy and look at the Patent [TS]

01:18:48   Office should be should be like you know [TS]

01:18:50   that the steps of the Supreme Court [TS]

01:18:52   everything that they just you know kind [TS]

01:18:54   of go up and up and up in the building [TS]

01:18:55   is up there [TS]

01:18:56   the the patent office should be like [TS]

01:18:58   this [TS]

01:19:00   pantheon and there should be 10 miles of [TS]

01:19:04   steps and every single you know there [TS]

01:19:07   should be 10 steps and then a little [TS]

01:19:08   flat space it's like a ropes course to [TS]

01:19:10   get there [TS]

01:19:11   yeah and and on every flat space there [TS]

01:19:14   should be a folding table and two people [TS]

01:19:16   in chairs [TS]

01:19:18   and you should have to make your pitch [TS]

01:19:20   haha every ten steps as you walk up the [TS]

01:19:25   hill and end the two people sitting at [TS]

01:19:28   tables like they that they should each [TS]

01:19:30   table should have a little stamp like [TS]

01:19:32   pass or fail and you also have to [TS]

01:19:34   deliver some mail when you arrive there [TS]

01:19:35   and there and the terms and crazy freak [TS]

01:19:40   reddit.com band should be playing I am a [TS]

01:19:42   bill i am only a bill the entire way of [TS]

01:19:46   the steps [TS]

01:19:47   this is the kind of thinking we need [TS]

01:19:49   John this is what we need at the top is [TS]

01:19:50   somebody who can find these ATVs and the [TS]

01:19:52   phrase but these economies of scale [TS]

01:19:53   there's there's no reason we can't we [TS]

01:19:55   can't hook some of these train cars [TS]

01:19:56   together if you like [TS]

01:19:58   can you imagine at a railroad system [TS]

01:20:02   that was really designed that was really [TS]

01:20:08   designed as a national system for [TS]

01:20:12   maximum efficiency to replace as much of [TS]

01:20:16   the as much of the business of trucking [TS]

01:20:19   as you can so that in the same way that [TS]

01:20:22   that there's this movie there's this [TS]

01:20:24   movement among the one-percent to open [TS]

01:20:28   up all the regional airports to small [TS]

01:20:30   jet traffic [TS]

01:20:31   yeah so when we're no longer clustering [TS]

01:20:34   everybody through atlanta but you know [TS]

01:20:38   right within three miles of my house [TS]

01:20:40   there like five airports that could [TS]

01:20:41   handle up a small jet for like Larry [TS]

01:20:44   Ellison types [TS]

01:20:45   well silent but that it would be it [TS]

01:20:48   would be a version of ultimately it [TS]

01:20:52   would get the idea is that if I'm flying [TS]

01:20:55   to san francisco tomorrow rather than [TS]

01:20:58   get in my car granted the smokin hot [TS]

01:21:00   models dead essentially i should have to [TS]

01:21:02   get your st. Louis to get to dallas or [TS]

01:21:04   whatever but even even I shouldn't have [TS]

01:21:07   to go to seatac right but I could just [TS]

01:21:10   go down to the airport here and renton [TS]

01:21:12   and taken and and take an airplane and [TS]

01:21:15   if i'm coming to visit you take an [TS]

01:21:17   airplane to some airport that's probably [TS]

01:21:20   they're in Golden Gate Park or some [TS]

01:21:23   Island be fine like that if all those [TS]

01:21:25   regional airports were also serving [TS]

01:21:27   serving the hub and spoke railroad [TS]

01:21:29   stations [TS]

01:21:30   I think railroads in [TS]

01:21:31   American need to become the new internet [TS]

01:21:32   well you can't figure out something goes [TS]

01:21:34   you put on the fucking Internet charge [TS]

01:21:35   for it or not or whatever you put an ad [TS]

01:21:37   on it but the point is if we put that [TS]

01:21:39   kind of effort into having trains wants [TS]

01:21:41   to replace the internet but definitely [TS]

01:21:42   stand alongside it the kind of thing [TS]

01:21:43   that would be and then that last mile [TS]

01:21:45   which is be getting stuff from one place [TS]

01:21:46   to another you find ways a truck for [TS]

01:21:48   that we attracted take some three miles [TS]

01:21:50   not to get 950 miles on electric truck [TS]

01:21:54   hmm that goes from the regional little [TS]

01:21:57   train hub now you're gonna get struck [TS]

01:21:59   out of fleece an electric fleece truck [TS]

01:22:02   gonna pose that it's something the thing [TS]

01:22:06   is then you wouldn't even have to look [TS]

01:22:07   both ways when you cross the street [TS]

01:22:08   given by a guy with the curly mustache [TS]

01:22:10   is your Laird I got hit by the fleet's [TS]

01:22:12   truck that was great one of the trucks [TS]

01:22:14   had to all be old-timey old-timey [TS]

01:22:17   looking but made out of modern materials [TS]

01:22:19   water these so it's like Oh Donna the [TS]

01:22:24   unique cultural of the rid of the region [TS]

01:22:26   you have a you can have a steam truck [TS]

01:22:29   and I want you can hold one of the ship [TS]

01:22:31   containers you're good to go [TS]

01:22:32   they would all have little fleece [TS]

01:22:34   moustaches moustaches and you can take [TS]

01:22:37   some mail with you after the second [TS]

01:22:39   that's writes itself [TS]

01:22:41   it's not crazy then we have a whole [TS]

01:22:42   system is just about taking a piece of [TS]

01:22:44   paper from one place to another [TS]

01:22:46   it's so stupid yeah well or I mean all [TS]

01:22:51   the stupidity [TS]

01:22:52   oh the stupidity a lot of you know [TS]

01:22:55   Merlin a lot of these things we could be [TS]

01:22:58   we could be handcrafting in our own [TS]

01:23:00   homes are given given given the rights [TS]

01:23:04   lips part of my project is a spinning [TS]

01:23:07   wheel for every home now when you say [TS]

01:23:10   spinning wheel a lot of people are going [TS]

01:23:11   to think of Rumpelstiltskin i'm guessing [TS]

01:23:13   it's a little more systems cyber [TS]

01:23:14   spinning we will listen and 3d printer [TS]

01:23:17   meats like I'm people [TS]

01:23:19   everybody's got these soft little dogs [TS]

01:23:21   these days [TS]

01:23:22   yeah right all across the country people [TS]

01:23:24   are carrying around their stuff gone [TS]

01:23:26   crazy for soft dogs that are soft little [TS]

01:23:28   dogs with soft little firm and why are [TS]

01:23:31   we not spinning that into war god damn [TS]

01:23:33   it was ridiculous that these ideas end [TS]

01:23:37   with this podcast it's sickening to me [TS]

01:23:38   it's that shit is softer than alpaca [TS]

01:23:42   yeah and all these people with these [TS]

01:23:44   soft little dogs what are they doing [TS]

01:23:45   just sitting and watching reality the [TS]

01:23:47   runaround clean up their poop not using [TS]

01:23:49   the poop for anything oh no so you put [TS]

01:23:51   the dog you put the dog on a high high [TS]

01:23:53   protein diet and ya sleep over the slip [TS]

01:23:57   CIU kind of fascinated him to a little [TS]

01:24:00   tray a little trade that's always kind [TS]

01:24:01   of shaking [TS]

01:24:02   yeah a little like it's theirs up [TS]

01:24:04   there's like a food chute and then I was [TS]

01:24:06   like shaking trivia Jetsons treadmill [TS]

01:24:09   try to study generate the energy to [TS]

01:24:12   remove his own and then the dog will so [TS]

01:24:15   the poops going away on the treadmill [TS]

01:24:17   but also because we're getting out of a [TS]

01:24:18   space minerals and then diamonds out of [TS]

01:24:20   that [TS]

01:24:20   oh and then there's like a robot comb [TS]

01:24:22   but always combing the new further he's [TS]

01:24:26   growing as that by and then the people [TS]

01:24:29   who are sitting and watching reality [TS]

01:24:30   television could also beasts they could [TS]

01:24:32   be sitting at a spinning wheel [TS]

01:24:34   Thank You be turning that will into [TS]

01:24:36   thread into indy on we can retrofit lazy [TS]

01:24:39   boy so that look at this side actually [TS]

01:24:41   produces a few kilowatts of energy [TS]

01:24:43   why do we even need trucks I mean we [TS]

01:24:45   would think as we could reduce a lot of [TS]

01:24:47   the commodity that with cannons [TS]

01:24:49   artillery also he just don't need that [TS]

01:24:53   much paper limps dirigibles as [TS]

01:24:59   transportation secretary my dirigibles [TS]

01:25:01   platform is going to be dynamite [TS]

01:25:04   hmm can you help a lot of people thanks [TS]

01:25:12   oh that's good [TS]