Ep. 108: "Jim Here"
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hello hi John hi I'm Merlin how's it
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going up
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well I I'm trying something new semester
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with one hand what are you doing at some
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point Jim here just I said to John on
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the robot are are you ready to record
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and he said Jim here I had some so i was
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i was cleaning out an old guitar case
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yesterday and i found my old rat pedal
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which had been missing and then I found
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this bag of starbucks basically like
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little nescafe tubes
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did you ever experience nescafe yeah you
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know I'm just trying to put it all
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together is this is sort of like the
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things you can like European sugar
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holders is that kind of shaped like a
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tube like that
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yeah it's a little paper tube it in
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Europe you'll often be in situations
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where the only coffee that you have
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available is nescafe which is just
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instant like poor poor the little
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grounds for some grounds and pour some
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hot water over and your coffee appears
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and when i first discovered them I
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thought they were revelation i didn't
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realize of course that it's just sank or
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or you know it's just flavor crystals or
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whatever America has had instant coffee
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for years decided but growing up I
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didn't have coffee until I moved to
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Seattle and so I never experienced
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coffee that comes in cans mean that's
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the coffee that the adults drink when I
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was growing up but I never had it it was
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only it was only espresso like that was
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my introduction so when I first we say
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it again you mean the same way that we
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would have liked the internet Nestle's
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Quik like you take a spoon you put into
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the canister and done some hot water on
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top of it
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yeah right like I mean I don't even know
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what soldiers is I don't know is is the
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would you put folders into a modern
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coffee maker
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you would wouldn't you it's just my
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ground coffee I'm you know I don't know
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what it's been a really
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long time and for some reason like my
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got 25 cars on this one is the next can
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I remember the nescafe commercials and I
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remember the day we show the commercials
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they had a cool like little little mugs
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look at globe with a handle on it i just
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like to say to listeners I would kill
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for one of those today and the other one
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was when I had one of my first freelance
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jobs and it was just discovering coffee
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i would work late at night at this real
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estate office and I would put it
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basically would make hot chocolate and
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then dumped coffee instant coffee into
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it i right right right and I didn't know
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any better
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well so i'm also my chakra tea that you
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know it was a covered up the nastiness
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of the caffeine in coffee tastes Right
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giant buzz the first couple of times
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that I did european rock touring where I
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was where I would show up at a venue and
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there would be like one there be a box
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that had the equivalent of 50 cups of
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coffee in it but it was all in little
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little tubes little paper tubes
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wow I was like this is genius and i
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would grab the whole box and stuff it in
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my bag i'll be like I have coffee now
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forever
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no one can ever tell me there's no
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coffee with the very least you never
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have to worry that there won't be coffee
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right i'm in his coffee now I'm going to
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carry one of these in my wallet at all
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times it's like that it's like 2-4
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coffee you know it's a good kind of
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coffee caffeine condom and and so anyway
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so I'm emptying out this guitar case and
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I find this bag of starbucks branded
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paper tube nescafe grounds and only
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guided by voices song by general haha
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and I'm like I don't remember I don't
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remember seeing these before I don't
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remember secret secret of these in my
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guitar bag but i absolutely this is at
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finding these is absolutely consistent
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with the the kind of hoarder coffee
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order mentality have exhibited before
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which is in any situation where I'm in a
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backstage environment or a
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like a a gift bag situation where a lot
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of gift bags now that you get it events
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will have a pound of coffee in them
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really in the northwest at least like if
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you go to if you go to a conference in
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portland and you're one of the speaker's
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they'll give you a gift bag and it
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always has a pound of stumptown coffee
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all you get in fegan infinity scarf as
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sleater-kinney CD and as such a coffee
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yeah exactly and so I i definitely will
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wait around in situations like that for
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to see like the three or four gift bags
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that don't get claimed sure and then i
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will go NAB the coffee out of here is
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the vernacular of the poor kid at
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lunchtime in the elementary school i'll
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have it i'll have it that's right now I
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like I use a hamburger of it i used to
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do that in elementary school I can
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totally see beyond the i'll have a guy
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could be like getting that bun that bun
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and anything to eat the pickles it's
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completely consistent with me that I
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would have been in a situation where
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they would have where I would have seen
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this bag of coffee envelopes and I would
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have looked for you know taking a look
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to the left take a look to the right
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realize that like this is my backstage
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these coffee envelopes are here for me
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and then I would have stuffed them in my
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guitar case without even knowing without
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even remembering having done it like I
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ever had one so anyway you like it like
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a squirrel like a squirrel write a
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letter Raven I've got my little bottles
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but they're all coffee
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uh-huh anyway so I found this in this
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guitar case and I and I SAT there and
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i'm looking at the guitar and I'm like
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when did I play this thing last live
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it's a weird guitar I would it would
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ideally would be like a primary tour
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no this isn't a guitar that like I
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grabbed without thinking is a local gig
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or or I could have traveled with it but
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to an event where my expectation was
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that I was going to do something like
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fun and dumb rather than that i was
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going to seriously like use this guitar
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to play some tunes like 10 screws
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yeah but I I didn't bring it on the
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cruise it it was a so anyway that's the
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that's problem number two I can't
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remember where I was there it was so
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long ago that I that I that I can i have
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it please
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he's starbucks to suck at starbuck tubes
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and then updates on
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no I don't think so they're not they're
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not sitting here right in front of me
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but I but they've been sitting in a
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guitar case for at least a year that any
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day they got to be amazing so anyway I
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took him downstairs and I just made one
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and here's how i did it i took it I took
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a starbucks to bend and I had to really
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resist the impulse to use two of them
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but i just took one the the recommended
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serving size
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I poured it into a beer stein filled it
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with tap water and stuck it in the
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microwave for two minutes and now this
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brew is sitting in front of me here i
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have yet to taste okay i'm standing by
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i'm i'm on tenterhooks I can't wait to
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hear the third so it's kind of it's
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strangely granular John is addressing
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this time we go it's like a weird cuts
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very muddy here we go
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it's nice and one that does have a kind
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of chocolatey smell it smells like
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international coffee mmm I like it all
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oh it's terrible what is the flavor I'm
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okay first of all you really taste the
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tap water
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oh and then there's a there's almost
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like a burnt meat that you like it feels
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like it's just like the crusty and of a
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prime rib
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I guess that would go on under other on
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the tasting colored it's like me when
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i'm albert
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it's like burnt meat that's one of the
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flavors but also there's the chocolate
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smell and then tap water a mouth feel
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and then burnt meat
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yeah really can't get away from like
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them the the burning meat is coffee
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though it couldn't be the stein right is
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this time clean no no my styles are all
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are all perfectly prepared for coffee
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preparation showroom shine
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yeah he's here Wow and then yeah then
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there's something there's something
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dirty about the finish like it's kind of
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like Mercedes exhaust m-might wake up
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like a bus station seat
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yeah like a little bit of a diesel
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components hmm
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wow are you would have to be really and
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really in need of some coffee but it's
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often em you okay well do things first
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of all like how does it compare to his
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first thing is that when soon as you
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really really really want a coffee and
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there's no way i can make a coffee right
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now without making a ton of noise so I'm
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not doing that but then after you didn't
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enjoy it you said it tasted like a
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that funny thing turns out power of
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suggestion turns out the other thing is
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that how does that on the continuum of
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bad coffee how does it stand alongside
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things like gas station outside of town
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last third of the pot coffee has a stand
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next to like days in like in your motel
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room coffee mmm conference conference
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conference at a hotel coffee so the so
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it seems to me that coffee that has been
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sitting all day and brewing all day and
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gets that kind of burned taste the
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burned-over brood taste is throughout
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the coffee experience right it becomes a
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thicker like more a it fit it feels that
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the coffee itself feels like the taste
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is opaque it is it is throughout whereas
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this the burned coffee flavor is a taste
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that is floating on the top of a kind of
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watery base
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oh so that it's not it doesn't have the
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full like sour you get the full majesty
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of the canyon tank that you would at the
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bottom of the tank that's right the
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Kenyan tank leave the the the proximity
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to a restroom that's being used by
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truckers the the hot cases on the other
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side with some JoJo's in it like all of
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that you've you taste in the truck stop
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mhm now a days in like in your room
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coffee does that was disgusting little
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coffee makers and lots of other people
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have used oh yeah those not a horrible
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thought that has a battery of the same
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kind of watery quality
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yeah but they go to great lengths to
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take the burn out of it and I feel like
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the burn element has been injected into
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these starbucks pouches in order to give
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you this
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the in order to maybe try and conjure
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the sensation of
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um like dark roast right that's what it
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feels like it feels like somebody in a
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laboratory has figured out what dark
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roast tastes like and then they put it
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they think what you know fuck it
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they're having coffee out of a to what
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do they know exactly they said they
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probably had starbucks in there and
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they're slightly burnt tasting coffee
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before no this is this is gonna be fine
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yeah this is really and and then to top
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it all off the the crystals to leave
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just a slightly granular ill it's really
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it's really mesmerizingly bad we can
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have another i'm definitely going to
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keep him around i'll probably serve them
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to guests you know when somebody comes
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and wants to talk to me about pretty
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good better sharp stick in the eye
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always say you know like better than
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nothing right
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the guy that comes to the dorm is like
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have you ever considered replacing your
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windows make this a really good cover
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cotton haha let's sit and talk about
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are you cooking meats or did you know I
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had never occurred to me to replace my
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windows until now until you showed up I
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mean obviously 25 people have come and
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ask me the same question over the last
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10 years
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you're not going to believe this but I
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was just sitting here preparing a coffee
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for myself and thinking about how I need
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new windows up still come to our door
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for anything
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isn't it amazing that that still happens
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at all i just assume it's a burglar
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well and the thing is that sometimes you
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get a you get people coming door to door
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when you live in a neighborhood as I do
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you can come in door to door work where
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you get a sense like oh this is somebody
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who belongs in sales this is somebody
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who would be a good salesperson if they
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just had the Glengarry leads but what
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they've got is they showed up somewhere
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to that they answered an ad in the
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newspaper showed up to a seminar learn
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to sell windows door-to-door went to the
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days and drank the coffee
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that's right hand on the starter kit did
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the day-long thing and now they're out
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here and there selling windows and the
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only reason that you that you that that
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would be your life the only reason you
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would you would
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b of 45 year old guy standing on my
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porch not taking no for an answer is
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that you fallen on hard times something
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some twists in the road
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yeah resulted in you needing to decide
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this late in life that door-to-door
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sales are going to be your friend nobody
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nobody gets the results in their job oh
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when they're 70 go be a middle-aged
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window salesman
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yeah right like this is a guy who's
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probably living in his car haha yeah but
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you know what he's not he still presents
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well so I always sit and look at them
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and I'm like what's the problem is it
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alcoholism is it like what is the what
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is the failing is it gambling debts
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recent divorce or like Boeing you know
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layoffs but I don't think about you know
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like sales
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yeah can I get a freebie though yeah
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windows the clear choice is that that's
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gotta be somebody slogan alright it's
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pretty great huh
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windows the clear choice that would
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that's a great title for our seminar but
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right that is good
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ah i have I do feel dude are you a
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member of Junior Achievement right
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no that was totally opaque to me the
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junior achievement Future Farmers of
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America they're all these groups that
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really seemed like cults to me i really
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do your team had a cool logo in there na
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it's a day and was very stylized because
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that one of them was a triangle if
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memory serves
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well the thing about junior achievement
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that I liked was that it attracted the
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brassy girls and you know I'm know about
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your new Rix's that's right i like a
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brassy girl and so in high school I got
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roped into junior achievement at one
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point and you know i think there was a
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time in my junior year when I really was
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trying to decide what my course of
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action was going to be I guess that's
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not uncommon that's what your junior is
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for going to transcend if you spend a
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lot of time on alone and orange flight
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suit there's going to be things you need
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to figure out and even in even as a
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junior I was like well
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what my course of action is is to be the
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retired director of the CIA what are you
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talking about like how do you get there
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it's too late for me to go to Yale which
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would be a shoo-in but like how am I
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supposed to and there were voices
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whispering in my ear that business
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business business you know that's what
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they think that's the cult that they
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really try and put into kids business
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business business except for the weird
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things that cause like they were those
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phrases that you were here and I would
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even hear them and use them and not even
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really know what they meant the to the
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kind of minor business and marketing and
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we have class on your marketing and it's
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kind of about advertising
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yeah but but if you here's the weird
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part was like you're in my yeah right
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obviously I don't even know
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did you know what the phrase public
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relations meant when you were in junior
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high I thought it meant like like
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meeting people
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well I i did i had a better idea because
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people used to say to me this is one of
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those things that adults would say to me
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when I was 13 14 years old like oh you
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should go into public relations because
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you're good with people
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yeah and i would say what is that it may
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be like oh like you could be IBM's
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public relations sky
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my mom used to say I think my mom didn't
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know what it meant either and she was
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taking know if I want real estate really
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like to be in public relations because i
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like working with people
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yeah and I mean is an ideal not begging
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for articles about you that's really
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what public relations is haha patent
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idea but it was that it was like being
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the president's press secretary that you
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stood at the podium and reporters
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shouted questions at you I and you were
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like I'm the public relations man and
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let me answer that question be a jolly
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garrulous fellow full autonomy well and
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that was what people that was when
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adults said you should go into public
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relations that's what they imagined that
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I would be great i would be the great
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spokesperson for a company it was like
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let me answer your question that was it
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means that means that means that means
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you're like you get your greasy link
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beggar right well now the average the
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industry's changed but every monday i
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get 40 emails from all the publicist
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that have me
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their list they're just like hi friend
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this is like really sweet about this
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paper don't book group but I so I join
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junior achievement and i sat in the
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meetings and at one point and at it and
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the adult supervisors were trying to get
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us to walk us through the entire process
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of starting a business and we had to
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choose what our product was going to be
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and it's not like it's and we saw and we
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decided it was chocolate we're going to
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we're going to make sure we're gonna
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make what was it like chocolate brittle
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and nut bars and like a white chocolate
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figured prominently in it
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oh and so so much like the real world he
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just decided what product you're gonna
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say that's right and then you decide
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that me i'm a window man is the clear
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choice and then we then we went into
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manufacturing so we bought bulk nuts and
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chocolate and we actually in junior
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achievement class cooked them down and
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made them into bark what charade package
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them up and then then began the real
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process of basically selling them to our
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friends telling them to our friends
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parents and it was a total it was a
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total like Girl Scout scam where junior
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achievement just became door-to-door
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sales or you would stayed stand out in
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front of the costco at eight o'clock at
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night with your junior achievement the
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podium it has it
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yeah your best in your little folding
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table and you like buy some chocolate to
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support Junior Achievement that's is
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super interesting to me because we did
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the same thing in key club which is not
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but it's haha i was in the key club
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member of a key club now and key club
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was like junior kiwanis to your kiwanis
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right kiwanis one of the many many clubs
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I joined because there was a girl that I
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liked it and and we the government
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teacher grassy no she she was worried
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about offending your clothes
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she shoes in there and i went and and
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that mr. Sherwood who taught Americanism
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key club right and and he the entire and
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all I remember of any of this means
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anything anything all i remember was the
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cookies and the cookies was he brought
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into use on the anti-communist well yeah
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installing says kiwanis like like after
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communism but that was an actual class
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in 1984 it was still called comparative
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government colon Americanism vs
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communism was not great it's very smart
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because of course it's not capital
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capitalism person communism Americanism
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think like that that's really a word but
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mr. Sherwood brought in this is so great
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he brought in time so I don't know why
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remembering this he brought in his
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wife's world famous recipe for cookies
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and can i tell you what the chief
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selling point cook his offer and they
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never go bad
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Wow cookies that never go bad ok the
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biggest client doesn't think of all the
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food that you've had think of all the
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coffee you have drunk out of your guitar
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think about how many things on your list
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of favorite foods are there because they
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never go bad and these were we made them
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like to the last teaspoon we made these
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exactly right and they're the worst
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thing I've ever had in my mouth
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inclusive and then we had to go out and
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sell them so what I'm trying to say to
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you John as I think these are all cults
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they're all moneymakers it's like going
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in some flowers at the airport
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well you know I want to live in a world
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Merlin where the Air Force has to have a
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bake sale to buy a bomber and the bumper
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sticker industry needs larger cars to
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fit all the bumper stickers a paragraph
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the problem the problem obviously is
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that adults have no imagination adults
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in schools there they have no sense of
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what businesses between danger maybe
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during the communism and not Americanism
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and they are cooking up these like I
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mean there was nothing that pushed me
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away from business faster than the idea
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that if I went to business school I
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would just end up outside of Thunderbird
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business schools selfie fucking white
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chocolate bark what you want a nutbar
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and I have an MBA and i'm so nuts but I
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market yet nutbar
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but you know it's all a scam because i
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think by the way just gonna say that mr.
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Sherwood who is his name will cut out of
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this mr. was awesome he was great he
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wrote me my recommendation letter for
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college he was fantastic and also a huge
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double dipper he was a retired I think
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lieutenant colonel
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I think he's been in Korea maybe World
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War Two and a full-time job as a teacher
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si si so he's getting his full
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retirement that's Americanism and he's
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working as a teacher from imparting to
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the next generation all of the hard-won
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lessons that he learned running up the
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hill in John and fairness he's combining
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elements of Americanism with elements of
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communism
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that's a pretty good gig he is in a
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position to help us reflect connect and
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his wife has a killer recipe for cookies
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that don't go bad
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well I said so I'm thinking about this a
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lot all scams every one of these is a
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well they're they're deep least 30
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please cami and all businesses game
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business business PR and marketing sales
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sales i would like that i would like to
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see most people contrast sales marketing
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sales marketing PR publicity sales
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marketing PR publicity second part
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they're all part of the same wing of a
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cover corporate like flowchart right
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sales marketing PR publicity they're all
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marketing bleeds into product but their
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own well but I mean that's all under the
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VP of Sales isn't like there's a
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marketing right you got social cloud
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platform cookies but think about it I on
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buddy i don't know if you noticed but
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this year the the girl scouts were out
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of control
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I it's about it I you know I wanna be
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supportive
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I want to be supportive of the young
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ladies but no you like to support the
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girls like to support the girls if you
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let you know you ever you have a girl
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you've got to decide if she's the clear
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choice a big burger brownie it's very
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frustrating to me that all at once at
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the same time like the entire city if
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you go to this neighborhood your house
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the place we went to goodwill that time
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was portal on every corner there's like
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the encampment of Girl Scouts there
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they could have their rifles stacked in
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a pyramid and their first standing
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around it sound like the wire
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it's a lot like Baltimore and don't give
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me the money the you I know now what I
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don't know man
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hey it's troubling to me though that
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like this obviously this is the owner
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this is like how they pay for girl
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scouts it's just weird to me that they
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do it by selling sugar was here it's odd
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well and and I'm thinking I'm thinking
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this was what terrified me about sales
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when I was young was the like the
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palpable desperation in the eyes of
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everyone that ever talk to know you'll
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need this one he know you know that that
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feeling of like every like every sale is
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every sale it's it's it's a
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make-or-break situation like the last
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year you're only as good as your last
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sale or you're only as good as your next
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sale and watching people in sales and
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and I mean I actually the last time i
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was in san francisco i talk i talked
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about this on the on Roderick on the
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line with you i think i might have
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talked about it on you look nice today
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ok then releasing that exception but but
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uh but I went into a that preppy clothes
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airer that I was very excited to finally
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visit and I went in there and I bought
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two suits and all right i do you
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remember this yeah about two suits and
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it's taken me several months to unpack
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the entire experience for because i have
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a tailor now here in Seattle who has
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taught me an enormous amount about how
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close it
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how close are meant to fit men's clothes
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and in in so doing he has like kind of
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the scales have fallen from my eyes he
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has taught me what to look for in close
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and I've realized that a lot of the
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clothes that I thought
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fits a lot of the clothes that I thought
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fit me that I owned did not fit me
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interesting it's kinda like your
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Palestinian mechanic like you've got an
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insider's view now you you understand
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the industry now a little bit a little
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bit and and and the problem with the
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with the way clothes fit if you put them
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on and you're like oh it fits me here if
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it's me hear it fits me hear it
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fence and my tailor looks at the same
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suit is like oh boy this thing not only
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doesn't it fit but it's too its it fits
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so poorly that it's too hard to fix like
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you can't just shorten the student once
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you got here so this is the thing
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Wow one of the suits that i bought at
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the San Francisco clothier that I was
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very excited about turns out does not
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fit me at all and in reflecting upon it
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when the when the little tailor came out
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from behind the curtain to fit this
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garment to me because alterations were
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made to this garment alterations that
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you know that added a considerable
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expense to the purchase price were made
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to this garment when he came out from
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behind the curtain a look a dark look
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across his face and the salesman who is
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also the owner of the store and the son
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of the founder had a very fast talking
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like chummy car salesman kind of pattern
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and he looked at the taylor over my
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shoulder and I'm looking in the mirror
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at myself in this suit thinking to
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myself boy don't I look sharp and what
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I'm looking at is this is the kind of
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suit i want is the kind of this is the
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color of soot that I've wanted for a
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long time
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this is the kind of suit that I've
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wanted for a long time and the aspects
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of it that aren't fitting
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the salesman is saying like oh we got
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Taylor out here and we'll get this taken
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care of you know this is no problem
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we'll just get him to but up poop too
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and so I'm looking in the mirror and I'm
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pretty proud of myself and I'm imagining
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all he's just going to take up the
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sleeping she's convinced she's going to
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shorten the collar it's gonna be and I
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see this dark look go across the
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tailor's face which i did not recognize
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at the time because i was in the
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excitement of the moment and because the
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salesman was patterning in my ear I see
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a dark look and then I hear the salesman
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say over my other shoulder he says
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Ricardo we're trying to sell some suits
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and then he goes back to talking to me
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and what he's saying what now I have
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unpacked that moment
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ricardo came out from the back saw that
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the suit did not fit me at all and the
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salesman saw the look and preempted any
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comment from Ricardo by saying we're
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trying to sell some suits here and so
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required thanks the obvious now how the
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wow so Ricardo just like didn't even
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visibly shrug and he went about what I
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imagined from a tailor's perspective is
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this deal with the devil where his he's
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employed by this guy and he is being
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asked to make suits that don't fit
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he's being asked to do tailoring on
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suits that are like it's by him in his
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profession an abomination
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he turned into a monster is basically
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yeah he's basically serving his master
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he sees like the guy who gets called in
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once a month to trim andy warhol's wig
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haha that's a good look for you bossa
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well and I'm sure like I'm sure at the
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end of the day or when he goes into the
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the darkest room in the tailor's guild
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and sits down before the the tribunal
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like he has to go into the confession
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booth and say i have made size 46 Long's
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i have sold 46 longs to a 44 long
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and there was nothing I could do and
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they have said no you do not get into
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heaven but like it's an apology type
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situation we just empty out the box and
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like just you've got to make this thing
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fit together even though it was never
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meant to work well yeah and so and so
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what what has happened is it's taken me
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this long so sad for Ricardo well I do
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too but I feel so bad for myself then I
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put on the suit now and now that I have
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now that I've been shown how as soon as
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I meant to fit i go-oh to get this suit
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to fit i am going to have to have my
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tailor remake it basically at great
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expense or i can say this is a loss and
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it was a you know it was a very
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expensive learning experience but I
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continue to get email blasts from this
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i get i'm on their mailing list and they
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sent me these like come on in for a
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special fitting fifty percent off all
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men shirts and when i first started
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getting these email blasts I was like
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you know what I'm not going to put a
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google filter on these and consign them
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all to the garbage dump
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I'm gonna I'm gonna look at these
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because I had such a nice experience at
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that Taylor and maybe i'll keep maybe
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this is the beginning of a relationship
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maybe i'm going to buy ties from this
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guy for 40 years maybe every time i hear
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daughters for your daughter's wedding
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you go there to get a tox you get a text
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that's right this is this heartbreaking
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job this is gonna be my place the the
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family-owned little clothing earlier
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report in California this is my this is
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my like airport airplane mechanic and as
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the as the week's have progressed two
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months and I've realized that this guy
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in his salesman a frenzy to get me out
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the door that day in a suit and his
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willingness to sell me a suit that
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didn't fit he knew it didn't fit and he
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and he enlisted his tailor in a
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conspiracy
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to not reveal to me that it didn't fit
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these emails that i get from this
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company have gone from little-little
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missives of joy little imaginings of
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myself being an old man wandering around
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the house in my smoking jacket made by
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this company now they are little
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reminders of horror and I am and I want
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to and I feel like now that this guy
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probably was on cocaine and I want
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nothing to do with this store i would if
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they if they start maybe ricardas maybe
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he's got the goods on Ricardo and maybe
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Ricardo's father worked for his father
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something but like that he's not allowed
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to work anywhere else I think Ricardo
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probably worked for his father Carl is
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an old man that's in a good boss is
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right that's right and and he you know
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he lives back there behind the curtain
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probably in a refrigerator box that has
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a window cut out in it with what the
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fuck the thoughtful it and this guy is
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like this guy holds the papers on his
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kids or something
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yes and and you know and now and it's
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all because of that salesman moment
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where this guy was thinking this guy was
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thinking I'm gonna sell this suit today
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trying to sell some suits here and he
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was not practicing what I'm sure his
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father practiced which is like hey let
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me make you a customer for life and all
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he had to do was say you know what that
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suit doesn't fit you we don't have one
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in your size sorry i don't think you
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should buy it and I would be like you
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sir are a man of integrity and instead
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you know i'm basically I'm i have
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committed myself to a lifetime at war
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with this bit with this person and I
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want to shame this guy with him out it
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but you know what he gave you what you
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wanted he saw you coming he saw you
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coming he knew he knew when you came
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into that story you were looking for
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some old-world fucking suits
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and we're looking to do to be a dad that
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he saw that companies like tourists in
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town i'm gonna give this guy the
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business myself on that 46 that's right
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here comes the room here's the here's
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the the guy from the sticks who doesn't
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wear a suit he doesn't know how suit
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supposed to fit kick kick back through
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cart get anything box cattle Ricardo
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iono hey any rings the bell Ricardo's
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like Oh Papa something oh he comes out
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just like oh please don't make me get
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this suit to this guy and so anyway I
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mean now you have somebody showing you
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the truth you got somebody who's
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teaching you know you feel like you
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trust this guy the right your-your-your
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Seattle tail your trust
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well the Seattle Taylor I trust
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implicitly because he says things like
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you know this is going to cost a hundred
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bucks to to do and you know i mean i
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will do it if you tell me too but I
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don't see the I don't see how you can
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see again like a good mechanic that's
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what I was like about our mechanic was
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he always tell us like this is this is
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in your not going to drive out here
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without fixing this this is broken
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this is a thing that you're definitely
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need to take care of in the next year
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better to do it now and here's a bunch
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of stuff that you could do or don't do
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and I and that has given that guy so
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much credibility with me over the years
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yeah you know I mean and my new mechanic
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is like that now my old mechanic was a
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guy that that i took my stuff to for
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years and years and years and the
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falling out that he and i had was he
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said your your truck needs a new brake
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job that needs an entire brake job it's
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you know 1,200 bucks and I was like well
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in all honesty like do you think it's
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worth it gives a likely lifetime
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yeah this is that this is one of those
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questions friend-to-friend do you think
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it's worth it to do this work and he uh
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you know and like a cold light shone on
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him and he shrugged his shoulders and
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said it's up to you
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hmm and I was like after all the work
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that I've had done here
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you you're gonna you're gonna just fade
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you're going to suddenly turn into not a
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uh-huh you're just like a you're just a
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fixer bot now and it's entirely up to me
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and you're not gonna give me any advice
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and be known what he was saying was well
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I want the 1,200 bucks so I'm not going
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to tell you not to do it right up but
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I'm not going to sit here and argue
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against you paying me for work that is
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like good money after bad and I guess
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it's that good money after bad thing
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where that's where somebody really shows
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me their integrity at least it can
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introduce these other axes to it yeah
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absolutely i think i don't have one
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piece of automotive advice which is if
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if carry the mechanic tells you you're
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really really really need to replace the
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timing belt in the next month and then
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over the next year your wife literally
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bags you three different times to fix
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the timing belt and Jerry reminds you
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that if the timing belt breaks it's
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going to be extremely it's going to be
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like an order of magnitude more costly
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to fix that if we just do this one
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simple fucking thing Merlin if that
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happens go ahead and just get the timing
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belt fixed
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yeah there's a lot more expensive after
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it breaks what ho what i end up doing is
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wandering around the parking lot of a
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fred meyer holding a broken timing belt
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and saying hey I'm from out of town my
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wife and kids in the car around the
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corner and I just need five dollars
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it's one o'clock in the morning but I
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just need five dollars to get this
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timing belt replaced by window comes
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with a free nutbar
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I do idea when I was down when i was at
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the conference on world affairs and now
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in Colorado a switch time was that John
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the most recent ok the the gal that
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student who was assigned as my student
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ambassador who was supposed to drive
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around town and like be helpful i said
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to her on the first day like what would
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be majoring in and she said business and
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I said so what are you doing
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at this what were you doing at this
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conference on world affairs why are you
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engaged in that and then I said wait
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don't don't tell me let me guess you're
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majoring in business because it was
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because advice was given to you that
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that was a practical and and the
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practical major a major for successful
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people and she was like yeah and I said
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but your heart really lies in the arts
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and she said yeah and I said and so
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you're dabbling in the conference on
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world affairs because you want to be
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involved you want to engage with people
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who are like doing interesting
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thoughtful work she was like yeah but
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you're still you're still like putting
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in the hours on your business degree
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because you don't want to disappoint
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your parents she was like yeah I was
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like but eventually you feel like you're
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going to try and use your business
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degree in the arts in some way doing art
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business and she was like how do you
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know all this is this your cart was like
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o.o young lady
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yeah oh you poor poor darlin how do you
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think she'll turn out well she seemed
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like a great moment as an individual she
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seemed great because she seemed like it
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absolutely a terrible fit in business
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and the business understanding whatever
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that constitutes whatever business
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understanding they are they managed to
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actually impart to you in business
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school which I imagine is at the level
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of like like white chocolate bark key
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look it's not going to it's not going to
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hurt her as she moves into wanting to
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work in the arts and she's 21 and
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already has this knowledge of herself so
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it's not like she's going to spend 15
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years in hvac sales before before she
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realizes that what you really want to do
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is write a novel like she's already
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transitioning
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there's there's more stuff is more
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reasons to discover stuff like that
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used to be I think that's absolutely
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right and you see your friends come out
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of I mean John I i I'm sorry to keep
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returning I think I used that is a
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drinking game he mention college but my
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entire college career i mean a year of
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college in 1986 including but so that's
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like six years of college now it
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well yeah exactly exactly i mean its
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in-state tuition at one of the best
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public schools in America was such that
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that's the new new college the new
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school yeah new college was like the top
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among the they call it the public IVs
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and yeah but it was out the door like
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including any Navy including tuition all
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that it's it was under six grand a year
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wow when I think that include housing
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maybe not books and stuff like that but
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you know exist planet
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yeah well this is the joke with my lady
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when I met my lady
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you know i was working in menlo park
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she's working at Stanford and we would
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joke we would laugh haha good laugh to
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Stanford and Stanford undergrad constant
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forty thousand dollars a year then yeah
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yeah and and what I mean like oh my gosh
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can you even imagine and now class
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people in college now what it costs for
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your college it's it's I mean that ain't
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that unusual anymore
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yeah and so can you imagine coming out I
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mean knowing the meager things i
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accidentally picked up in college even
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taking all that into account
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I can't imagine being 22 23 years old
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and having over a hundred thousand
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dollars in debt my crazy entering
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entering this fucking job market with
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your business degree and $100,000 in
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well particularly plenty of chances to
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say conservatively 60-percent of what's
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being taught in colleges now is trade
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school education like if you have a
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degree in computer science and I don't I
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computer science but let me just say and
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I and I appreciate you all and love i
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love our fans
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you're about the documents let me you
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don't know that are you the computer
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science is a trade trade and future
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sciences a trade its a math gets a bunch
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of math classes what and what point did
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we decide that now learning to program
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it's a lot of math at what point do we
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decide that math was like the computer
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i'm talking not about math but computer
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man say the last paragraph in your dad's
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voice when we listened computer map just
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different from math if somebody is
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sitting with matt somebody's sitting in
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a room where the light is streaming in
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they're staring out the window and then
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thinking about math then yes that's an
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art I agree that that isn't that that
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those that kind of maths and I and I
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would put an s at the end Jack as an
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english-style yeah English Maths oxford
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maths those are those belong in the
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college of arts and sciences but if you
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are wasting their money on computer math
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computer baths you could get that at the
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itt technical school
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oh my god and that's where that should
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be taught computer math work on the
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street like beat it
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well because more and more every time I
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talk to a computer person they are
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saying oh now i'm using XDA html5 and
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these languages now are sorry easy to
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use because all you have to do is say to
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the computer computer make an appt what
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slight safeword get at it you put a
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couple of Colin's backslashes and then
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the math is done for you by the machine
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the thing is that i don't understand the
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episodes you definitely put out i don't
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understand it
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most of his big touring colleges now and
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business the entire business trade
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school it's a trace great school
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it's a trade school the entire of you
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know like if it unless you unless your
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education involves a certain number of
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hours sitting in a window sitting in a
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room staring out the window then you
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don't need to be in college college is
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basically a building of windows may just
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be stared out of and every once in a
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while you talk to somebody in a tweet
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jacket and heat and he asked and in
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answer to your questions he asks you
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more questions
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look to your left and look to your right
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one of those will fail out of trade
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school maths if you have you asked a
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professor a question and he gives you an
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answer that is not phrased as a question
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you know you belong in trade school I
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think I blacked out at some point I so
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you're saying it's not a good deal i'm
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saying that college that what we've done
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as a as a country is at a certain point
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fifty sixty years ago we decided that
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College was the symbol of upward
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mobility that that my parents didn't go
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to college and i'm going to go to
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college or I didn't go to college and
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i'm going to put my son through college
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growing and that we are providing
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opportunity to find you just get your
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ticket punched for an office job that's
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all it is too
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that's pretty much other is right that's
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saying and so so when and we have
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increased on we have increased
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dramatically on the technical side the
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amount of technical knowledge that's
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required to have a basic job now but
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getting of our colons and stuff you
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gotta know about call he had nowhere to
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put the back HTML you gotta know about a
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bit ly and that and you got it know
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about you know you gotta put stuff in a
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cloud but all of that is the equivalence
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you know it is it's basically the quote
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the equivalent of of knowing how to
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operate a steam engine
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you know it's not true operating esteem
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it was very difficult
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oh my goodness it was very difficult and
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now the steam the steam that is powering
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the steam engine is bits and then its
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cloud its class basically clouds your
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platform or social yet full circle
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kunisada cloud I I feel bad for that gal
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that's tough boy having hear all that
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advice but you know that occurs to me is
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like if you think about like almost
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everybody we know just fell ass
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backwards into something and who knows
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right it's just equus right moment snap
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together like magnets
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who knows why anything turns out the way
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it does the college could just be by
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virtue of the fact that college mostly
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kept you out of trouble for really
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difficult years is a good thing for a
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lot of people don't know it's difficult
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it's difficult to control for all the
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different ways the college leads to
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success but you have to include things
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like networking you have to include I
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mean but that's the thing that is though
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I in retrospect it's like so much of
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what actually got me jobs had absolutely
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nothing to do with liberal arts and
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everything to do with all the other shit
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i picked up and learning how to put up
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with bullshit
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well this is what I'm saying like there
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has been a there has been a college
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inflation to the point that I mean
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honestly Marlon there was a time there
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was time before world war two where
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we're a very small percentage of people
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went to college and the GI Bill i
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basically it's it's basically the Jews
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but stop you right there
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no way no way i am on a roll
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