Roderick on the Line

Ep. 103: "Artisanal Pork Bakery"


00:00:00   although I John I'm Merlin is going good [TS]

00:00:11   it's early [TS]

00:00:13   yeah it is early you're being a a team [TS]

00:00:15   player today you're being a little bit [TS]

00:00:17   of a team player you always a team [TS]

00:00:19   player but today you really stepped up [TS]

00:00:21   to the mic plate and I stepped up to the [TS]

00:00:23   mic plate [TS]

00:00:24   you really got your game face on and are [TS]

00:00:28   willing to put some points on that board [TS]

00:00:30   uh-huh I'm racking up the points on the [TS]

00:00:33   mic plate board whoever racks up more [TS]

00:00:35   points on the mic plate board is going [TS]

00:00:38   to be the team that wins this particular [TS]

00:00:40   game of ball that's exactly right that [TS]

00:00:42   is you know we are in the seed wherein [TS]

00:00:46   the seeds own we're totally in the [TS]

00:00:49   bracket sounds like some kind of a porno [TS]

00:00:52   I guess a sperm whale the seeds own ya [TS]

00:00:55   SE were all that a sperm whale started [TS]

00:00:57   thinking that maybe a fluffer have to a [TS]

00:00:59   few number isn't that a nice term [TS]

00:01:01   fluffer would have to be in the seeds [TS]

00:01:03   own any flooding is really a thing [TS]

00:01:05   times have changed too i think back in [TS]

00:01:09   the old days [TS]

00:01:10   fluffing was absolutely a thing but [TS]

00:01:12   nowadays all about pharmaceuticals [TS]

00:01:15   well the thing is nowadays there's a [TS]

00:01:17   whole group of people probably [TS]

00:01:18   absolutely a whole group of people that [TS]

00:01:22   what they're really into is the is the [TS]

00:01:24   fluffer girl or a boy yes you know like [TS]

00:01:28   in the old days it was like oh you're [TS]

00:01:30   not you're not ready to you're not ready [TS]

00:01:31   for prime time you're just a your [TS]

00:01:33   fluffer level but now it's great you [TS]

00:01:37   saying they could get their own [TS]

00:01:38   following like I said the cameras [TS]

00:01:40   rolling there's no there's no [TS]

00:01:42   distinction between stars fluffer now [TS]

00:01:44   you know in the can in the contemporary [TS]

00:01:45   s80 analogy question I think like the [TS]

00:01:49   journalist is to the bloggers as the [TS]

00:01:50   porn star is to the fluffer i think you [TS]

00:01:53   could probably get a hell of a following [TS]

00:01:54   today you absolutely you have a whole [TS]

00:01:56   like you know you have your own fluffer [TS]

00:01:58   channel network and and beat you with it [TS]

00:02:01   but the thing is you wouldn't even you [TS]

00:02:03   wouldn't even say like oh I was a [TS]

00:02:04   fluffer i am a flipper just be like no [TS]

00:02:06   this is this is me I'm [TS]

00:02:08   you know like I have a little bit of a [TS]

00:02:10   mustache and this is my channel haha and [TS]

00:02:14   people are like I love it I sign up for [TS]

00:02:17   that I could definitely see a reality [TS]

00:02:19   show [TS]

00:02:21   um let's see maybe called fluffy you and [TS]

00:02:24   you it would be a show about a really as [TS]

00:02:27   university that they go to learn out of [TS]

00:02:29   no well could be sure to let you [TS]

00:02:31   continue this guy for now I think it [TS]

00:02:33   would be about like following along in [TS]

00:02:35   like-for-like a lifetime kind of thing [TS]

00:02:37   that lifetime am you know like a project [TS]

00:02:39   runway cut type thing or like Rachel's [TS]

00:02:42   Oh like you follow around like not that [TS]

00:02:44   she's a fluffer but you follow around [TS]

00:02:45   one of the up-and-comers if you like [TS]

00:02:48   uh-huh or even a preeminent fluffy can [TS]

00:02:50   somebody who's at the top of the game [TS]

00:02:52   yeah somebody that slip that does like [TS]

00:02:54   the imam of fluffers [TS]

00:02:56   hey wait hang on I got it write it on [TS]

00:02:58   the sky called the comeback haha that's [TS]

00:03:02   not somebody that's what somebody i used [TS]

00:03:04   to be like the this is it one of those [TS]

00:03:08   like Debra Winger the debra winger of [TS]

00:03:11   fluffing that has to be a woman but [TS]

00:03:12   somebody who was unquestionably the top [TS]

00:03:15   fluffer in the game any sprinkles [TS]

00:03:17   fluffer you think's right fluffer [TS]

00:03:20   well but what I that's what I'm saying [TS]

00:03:21   like I'm sure the old porn stars all had [TS]

00:03:24   their all had their like understudy [TS]

00:03:27   oh it's like literally you will do well [TS]

00:03:30   I was like the flipper that kind of have [TS]

00:03:33   to travel together shove course as you [TS]

00:03:35   do [TS]

00:03:36   yeah but i mean i think what happened is [TS]

00:03:37   that I think that the comeback would [TS]

00:03:39   probably be the result if you like of [TS]

00:03:41   probably an independent documentary [TS]

00:03:43   featuring tons of porn stars from the [TS]

00:03:47   seventies talking about how nobody [TS]

00:03:48   fluffs is it would be like that movie [TS]

00:03:51   that recently came out about all the [TS]

00:03:53   back sinners exactly spans except they [TS]

00:03:56   were the they were the the foreground [TS]

00:03:57   blisters like okay if you're gonna do a [TS]

00:04:00   John Woo documentary at this point it's [TS]

00:04:02   got to either be about how food is bad [TS]

00:04:03   weed is great or about some kind of a [TS]

00:04:06   person who we didn't know we should know [TS]

00:04:08   about that now we're all crying because [TS]

00:04:10   we've learned about them [TS]

00:04:11   well that's the muscle shoals guys not [TS]

00:04:13   the you know the motors one about the [TS]

00:04:16   Motown guys write the unsung heroes of X [TS]

00:04:20   in this case it's about keeping someone [TS]

00:04:22   wrecked forefront of film the unsung [TS]

00:04:24   heroes of porn who I mean there are so [TS]

00:04:29   many ways so many documentaries you [TS]

00:04:32   could make about the unsung heroes of [TS]

00:04:34   porn think about all of the work that's [TS]

00:04:37   gone into because you know they were [TS]

00:04:39   laboring and security they were there [TS]

00:04:41   the cops were kicking down the doors [TS]

00:04:43   yeah just recently Los Angeles made it [TS]

00:04:46   made it a law that you have to wear a [TS]

00:04:50   condom now in a in a pornographic film [TS]

00:04:53   filmed in the los angeles area turns out [TS]

00:04:55   i think it's causing a brain drain or i [TS]

00:04:57   guess a wiener drain or whatever it is i [TS]

00:04:58   think that's making people want to leave [TS]

00:05:00   because they feel like they can't sell [TS]

00:05:01   that to people [TS]

00:05:02   yeah people are like I don't want to you [TS]

00:05:03   know nobody's gonna buy it [TS]

00:05:05   yeah nobody's gonna buy that for one [TS]

00:05:06   because that's not the fantasy i had a [TS]

00:05:09   UH french language and let professor in [TS]

00:05:12   college who was it [TS]

00:05:14   Madison worked in a point theatre to [TS]

00:05:17   clean up in booths [TS]

00:05:18   yeah he said it was not an it was a kind [TS]

00:05:20   of an unpleasant job i had a friend a [TS]

00:05:22   named Davey who a punk-rock Davey mm and [TS]

00:05:28   Davey when he supposed to change society [TS]

00:05:31   lady that said society baby punk-rock [TS]

00:05:34   Davey used to work in the bars in the [TS]

00:05:36   clubs but little by little I think [TS]

00:05:38   burned all his his all his bridges so [TS]

00:05:42   that he was no longer he never was a [TS]

00:05:44   bartender he was never rose above the [TS]

00:05:46   level level of bar back but uh and that [TS]

00:05:50   we another device already titles on the [TS]

00:05:53   generally the bar back but then [TS]

00:05:58   eventually Davey ended up working at the [TS]

00:05:59   apple theatre which was important [TS]

00:06:01   theater here in Seattle that's now been [TS]

00:06:03   converted into like an artisanal pork [TS]

00:06:06   bakery but at the time it was a it was [TS]

00:06:09   still showing 35-millimeter film and it [TS]

00:06:16   was like open all night [TS]

00:06:18   I guess they closed for an hour between [TS]

00:06:20   seven and eight a.m. or something like [TS]

00:06:22   that and i would sometimes go and sit [TS]

00:06:25   with Davey [TS]

00:06:26   in the projection booth and we would do [TS]

00:06:28   drugs in the point of my life to drugs [TS]

00:06:31   and and watch you know he'd be like you [TS]

00:06:34   did it was they were full-length pornos [TS]

00:06:36   so you would have to change a real [TS]

00:06:37   halfway through you know it was like it [TS]

00:06:40   was like a serious like going to the [TS]

00:06:41   movies and then and then the theater [TS]

00:06:44   would be full of people who were just [TS]

00:06:46   looking for a place to sleep like you [TS]

00:06:48   know for for the seven dollar ticket to [TS]

00:06:52   to get into the movie theater you could [TS]

00:06:53   you can spend the night in there so I [TS]

00:06:55   one of the few places on all series [TS]

00:06:57   final few places where for that amount [TS]

00:06:58   of money you could be pretty much [TS]

00:06:59   guaranteed nobody would touch you right [TS]

00:07:01   i mean that's exactly right and the [TS]

00:07:03   equivalent of like complete privacy for [TS]

00:07:05   whatever an epic a big part of the big [TS]

00:07:08   part of the of the appeal i think in the [TS]

00:07:10   waning days of a big city porn theaters [TS]

00:07:14   was just like yeah I'm just gonna for [TS]

00:07:16   seven dollars i mean you couldn't get it [TS]

00:07:18   you couldn't get a bed in a bit at the [TS]

00:07:22   st. Vincent de Paul for seven dollars [TS]

00:07:23   unless let's daddy probably well and [TS]

00:07:27   nobody's going to preach to you about [TS]

00:07:29   Jesus for an hour you don't have to go [TS]

00:07:31   through the rigmarole you just go in and [TS]

00:07:34   then just a good at his job [TS]

00:07:36   no Davy was terrible at his job I I may [TS]

00:07:39   have told you the story that Davey this [TS]

00:07:42   was you know this sense has become a [TS]

00:07:45   kind of like conventional gag because of [TS]

00:07:50   the movie fight club but Davey actually [TS]

00:07:52   would go and splice in like so it in the [TS]

00:07:57   movie Fight Club what was it that he was [TS]

00:07:59   he was splicing in porno into regular [TS]

00:08:03   films but Davey would splice in car [TS]

00:08:06   crash scenes and carnage scenes that jet [TS]

00:08:12   right at the moment of ejaculation [TS]

00:08:16   and that was a lie i believe that the [TS]

00:08:20   reason that disappeared in Fight Club is [TS]

00:08:22   that this was a projection estate game [TS]

00:08:24   that was in some ways maybe universal [TS]

00:08:28   because David was not a baby was not the [TS]

00:08:31   type of guys to like necessarily dream [TS]

00:08:35   this up all by himself [TS]

00:08:36   there was like a postmodern project [TS]

00:08:38   whereby people should notice it should [TS]

00:08:39   be like unconscious clearly subliminal [TS]

00:08:42   that he was right at the right at the [TS]

00:08:44   moment of the like where the porn star [TS]

00:08:48   was like busting is not he would he [TS]

00:08:50   would put just a just an imperceptible a [TS]

00:08:54   bit of like vivisection or or car crash [TS]

00:09:00   or like autopsy footage and you know and [TS]

00:09:06   i don't know and it because that was the [TS]

00:09:08   that was the the era of up like those [TS]

00:09:12   research uh magazines where I mean maybe [TS]

00:09:16   they're buried with jg ballard's at the [TS]

00:09:18   crash pad yeah yeah PA [TS]

00:09:20   Davy had one of those bookshelves that [TS]

00:09:22   was like book autopsy photos serial [TS]

00:09:25   killer photos [TS]

00:09:26   yeah people that laid down on train [TS]

00:09:29   tracks no medical anomalies 4pm neck [TS]

00:09:32   tattoos [TS]

00:09:33   exactly yeah and-and-and I would go to [TS]

00:09:35   his house and I I be you know it was one [TS]

00:09:37   of those apartments where there was a [TS]

00:09:39   there was a bookshelf made out of cinder [TS]

00:09:40   blocks and then a mattress on the floor [TS]

00:09:43   and thence like 600 beer cans and I [TS]

00:09:49   would sit and look at his bookshelf and [TS]

00:09:51   I'm like Davy seriously like I don't [TS]

00:09:53   want to look at any of this stuff and [TS]

00:09:54   he's like are no man you gotta check it [TS]

00:09:56   out and open up some book with people [TS]

00:09:58   with elephantitis and and I'm like well [TS]

00:10:02   I seriously this is your ear you are [TS]

00:10:05   engaging in a kind of your you're [TS]

00:10:09   chasing the the punk rock dragon tail [TS]

00:10:12   and it is it's not i don't believe you [TS]

00:10:16   I think you're just afraid that things [TS]

00:10:18   were getting a little too real up that [TS]

00:10:22   is a real man that shit is real but the [TS]

00:10:25   first time he showed me like the be half [TS]

00:10:29   a foot of film [TS]

00:10:30   of some like brutal brutal murder that [TS]

00:10:34   he was splicing into these classic [TS]

00:10:36   seventies porns I was like okay I I [TS]

00:10:40   approve of that like you're doing [TS]

00:10:42   serious psychic damage to be in the [TS]

00:10:45   service of just like speed the collapse [TS]

00:10:47   and I i can't i can't find fault it's [TS]

00:10:51   kinda like reverse Ludovico technique [TS]

00:10:53   you know from clockwork orange it's a [TS]

00:10:56   museum imagine if like all the stuff we [TS]

00:10:58   saw on cinemax and showtime had [TS]

00:11:00   something similar done to it right i [TS]

00:11:04   mean you could really could really mess [TS]

00:11:06   with somebody and it would take it would [TS]

00:11:08   be real sleeper cell I think maybe [TS]

00:11:09   occupation wise this is maybe what I'm a [TS]

00:11:12   little bit worried about the last group [TS]

00:11:13   of people that need to be additionally [TS]

00:11:15   fucked with psychologically are men who [TS]

00:11:19   are sleeping in a porno theater that got [TS]

00:11:22   me thinking enough on the flakes right [TS]

00:11:24   like those are not the people that you [TS]

00:11:25   want to activate and and connect their [TS]

00:11:28   sexuality to violent crime like you know [TS]

00:11:31   I mean like all the people ray the world [TS]

00:11:34   you don't want to send out of the [TS]

00:11:35   theater with the unhealthy association [TS]

00:11:38   between orgasm and you know and mass [TS]

00:11:41   violence don't ya [TS]

00:11:43   now let's keep that one a nap the other [TS]

00:11:46   one to push someone simply apply for [TS]

00:11:48   exactly know those baby brought dayley [TS]

00:11:54   punk-rock dating David I ran into him [TS]

00:11:56   the other day I hadn't seen him in 15 [TS]

00:11:58   years who I ran into him and probably it [TS]

00:12:03   probably in the this is even this is [TS]

00:12:06   even a faux pas in punk rock circles but [TS]

00:12:09   the first thing i said was well i got i [TS]

00:12:11   can't believe you're alive haha anyway [TS]

00:12:16   like looked all offended and chocolate [TS]

00:12:18   like I have a kid I was like wow that's [TS]

00:12:21   great you you made it [TS]

00:12:23   you grew up he had a kid yeah and and [TS]

00:12:28   then i said what he doing he's like I'm [TS]

00:12:29   nothing some temp job revenant I find it [TS]

00:12:32   strange to think about me because [TS]

00:12:34   because I mean maybe probably the way it [TS]

00:12:37   came across and probably legitimately [TS]

00:12:38   you're like wow I can't believe [TS]

00:12:40   punk-rock Davey didn't get killed or [TS]

00:12:43   didn't die [TS]

00:12:43   it is only guy and yeah exactly but like [TS]

00:12:46   it's so strange to think about all the [TS]

00:12:47   people you never see this is how [TS]

00:12:48   self-involved I am is like I think about [TS]

00:12:50   the dozens or hundreds of people that i [TS]

00:12:52   have called friends over the years but [TS]

00:12:53   i'm not in close contact with are not in [TS]

00:12:55   contact with all I don't know their [TS]

00:12:57   status [TS]

00:12:57   you know it's I haven't gotten to that [TS]

00:12:59   age where you like and I read the obits [TS]

00:13:00   I flip through the alumni newsletter [TS]

00:13:03   when it arrives and find out which [TS]

00:13:05   professors have recently died that [TS]

00:13:06   always makes me sad yeah but but it's [TS]

00:13:09   strange to think that there's all these [TS]

00:13:10   people who like it would be nice to [TS]

00:13:11   think that they just got stuck on a [TS]

00:13:14   shelf somewhere and stopped aging and [TS]

00:13:16   and everything kind of stayed the same [TS]

00:13:17   because you know we we try to imagine [TS]

00:13:19   your friends today you think about the [TS]

00:13:20   park AV look different than you expected [TS]

00:13:22   because he should be 15 years younger in [TS]

00:13:25   your head right well except that punk [TS]

00:13:27   rock Davey a was punk rock so he was [TS]

00:13:30   always a little bit more Haggard looking [TS]

00:13:32   then then he should have been you little [TS]

00:13:35   shop warn ya when he was 21 years old we [TS]

00:13:38   used to joke like that 21 is like 45 in [TS]

00:13:40   punk rock earrings there but in fact he [TS]

00:13:46   made it through the looking glass and [TS]

00:13:48   now he looks amazing for like a [TS]

00:13:50   forty-four-year-old because he's you [TS]

00:13:53   know he's slim he's still he's still [TS]

00:13:55   pretty well groomed I mean he was he was [TS]

00:13:57   smoking a cigarette in the walking down [TS]

00:14:01   the street in the middle of the day and [TS]

00:14:02   I was like yeah smoking a cigarette [TS]

00:14:05   wow I like that that's still a that's [TS]

00:14:08   still think that that people can do they [TS]

00:14:11   can still be smoking cigarettes like [TS]

00:14:13   that i guess it was the amazing thing [TS]

00:14:15   was like when we were 21 [TS]

00:14:17   it was very easy for a lot of us to [TS]

00:14:22   adopt a kind of like i don't care i am [TS]

00:14:25   trying to kill myself who cares right [TS]

00:14:27   I'm just gonna just die who cares if I [TS]

00:14:30   get cancer i'm not going to live that [TS]

00:14:31   long anyway that gonna happen fast like [TS]

00:14:37   when you're 45 and you have a kid and [TS]

00:14:40   you're still like yeah whatever out his [TS]

00:14:42   keep smoking until it a brighter light [TS]

00:14:44   in here I feel like I stepped on [TS]

00:14:45   something that's like our house our [TS]

00:14:48   house it looks like like solid 13 have [TS]

00:14:51   so many bright lights because i don't [TS]

00:14:52   want to step on Lego and fall down and [TS]

00:14:54   hit my head I just glancing Lee hit the [TS]

00:14:56   edge of the tape [TS]

00:14:56   blind eye and a freak accident there it [TS]

00:14:58   is that's it that's punk rock now [TS]

00:14:59   whatever happened to Merlin oh yeah he [TS]

00:15:01   slipped on a gummy bear fell down the [TS]

00:15:03   stairs little tiny Brown Legos [TS]

00:15:06   yep he had a premonition yeah he stepped [TS]

00:15:10   on it got lodged under his toenail and [TS]

00:15:13   then he died of an infection i do think [TS]

00:15:15   about I don't talking about cause it [TS]

00:15:17   freaked me out but I i do sometimes [TS]

00:15:18   think we'll see things unrelated out [TS]

00:15:22   first of all I don't want to die in a [TS]

00:15:23   freaky way if it can be avoided [TS]

00:15:25   I would rather not die in some ways it's [TS]

00:15:26   super hard to explain I don't wanna die [TS]

00:15:28   at all if I could avoid it but you know [TS]

00:15:29   I understand it's probably you know [TS]

00:15:31   somebody has to deal with eventually or [TS]

00:15:32   something that's a little harder to the [TS]

00:15:34   second part is a little harder to [TS]

00:15:35   maintain but also i mean you know I this [TS]

00:15:37   dig in and this is just a credit to my [TS]

00:15:39   incredible level of self-absorption that [TS]

00:15:42   I don't periodically just stop and think [TS]

00:15:44   I wonder if my friends who were my age [TS]

00:15:47   and high school are my age now [TS]

00:15:49   oh yeah in my head they're there maybe [TS]

00:15:51   30 they maybe they added a couple belt [TS]

00:15:55   notches what skills and their old people [TS]

00:15:58   it seems the user this like this Vulcan [TS]

00:16:01   meaning that happens to men when but [TS]

00:16:04   it's just like you seems probable they [TS]

00:16:07   come in the the inter like sting and [TS]

00:16:08   exit like burying our Conan like it [TS]

00:16:10   would be and I don't understand how got [TS]

00:16:13   you see them and and it's like okay you [TS]

00:16:14   didn't get fat you're not fat now but [TS]

00:16:17   somehow you look you look wider in every [TS]

00:16:20   respect your neck is wider like cottager [TS]

00:16:22   how did your skull get wider yes they [TS]

00:16:25   just look they look like stretch to see [TS]

00:16:28   like a pair of pair of eyes a pair of a [TS]

00:16:31   19-year old pair of eyes somewhere in [TS]

00:16:33   there looking out buried in a yeah and [TS]

00:16:35   I'm you immediately meet mask of shit [TS]

00:16:39   but well I was at the i was at the [TS]

00:16:41   playground the other day and there were [TS]

00:16:42   a bunch of dads and they were playing [TS]

00:16:46   baseball they were teaching their sons [TS]

00:16:48   to play baseball and the sun's ranged in [TS]

00:16:52   age I think the youngest was probably 4 [TS]

00:16:54   and the whole this was maybe six or [TS]

00:16:56   seven and it wasn't t-ball that the dad [TS]

00:16:59   was there was there was a a beardy dad [TS]

00:17:01   and he was actually pitching the ball [TS]

00:17:03   and these kids were getting hits running [TS]

00:17:06   the bases they were fielding like that [TS]

00:17:09   this was a dedicated [TS]

00:17:10   a group of dads who were like on the [TS]

00:17:13   field with their kids like you know go [TS]

00:17:15   let's do it you know throw to second [TS]

00:17:17   throw to second I mean it wasn't like it [TS]

00:17:20   wasn't nobody was like really yelling at [TS]

00:17:23   the kids but they were taking baseball [TS]

00:17:25   something very focused like where [TS]

00:17:27   there's a game we're playing here [TS]

00:17:28   there's a structure to this you must [TS]

00:17:29   address this is how you you need to [TS]

00:17:30   learn this game if you're going to be a [TS]

00:17:32   boy in the world and so i'm watching [TS]

00:17:35   this game and I'm thinking like a thank [TS]

00:17:39   God I have a daughter so that I don't [TS]

00:17:41   have to be so I feel no pressure to be [TS]

00:17:44   down yelling at her to like round [TS]

00:17:47   seconds right but also watching the dads [TS]

00:17:51   I was like wait a minute [TS]

00:17:52   these guys are my age like some of these [TS]

00:17:57   guys are younger than me even [TS]

00:17:59   and they all look old they never liked [TS]

00:18:03   that guy looks exactly like Bob Balaban [TS]

00:18:05   and he's totally younger than me look at [TS]

00:18:09   the van last I look like the bad guy [TS]

00:18:12   that guy over there like yeah he looks [TS]

00:18:15   like Tony millionaire like this guy [TS]

00:18:18   looks like Bukowski and these people are [TS]

00:18:21   these are my peers and they're yelling [TS]

00:18:24   at their kid about baseball and yeah and [TS]

00:18:27   then I did I suddenly like it was one of [TS]

00:18:29   those things where I looked at my [TS]

00:18:30   reflection in a puddle of the guard [TS]

00:18:33   escort think that you just as the just [TS]

00:18:36   slightly undulating I was like wait a [TS]

00:18:39   minute into the image the image that [TS]

00:18:42   water stills I'm not all like that [TS]

00:18:44   they're so that I didn't have to sit [TS]

00:18:49   down had to sit down and take a to get [TS]

00:18:51   my inhaler out so yeah terrifying saw [TS]

00:18:57   definitely diggin on Portlandia he looks [TS]

00:19:00   amazing but don't is really easy i like [TS]

00:19:02   the way that guy carries himself and [TS]

00:19:03   he's carved out of mahogany me who he is [TS]

00:19:07   a suave motherfuckers just say he's very [TS]

00:19:10   looks very slender and very fit and he [TS]

00:19:12   just seems very focused i really admire [TS]

00:19:14   it he's extremely focused and and a very [TS]

00:19:17   bright [TS]

00:19:17   he's very bright guy yeah and you know [TS]

00:19:21   and in some ways like maybe he would be [TS]

00:19:23   a great [TS]

00:19:24   example of like a hollow of a of a [TS]

00:19:27   fitness a mentor [TS]

00:19:30   it's like okay Duff is stuff is 50 now [TS]

00:19:33   and still in amazing shape and still [TS]

00:19:37   like youthful in every regard like don't [TS]

00:19:41   don't let yourself turn into Bukowski [TS]

00:19:45   supplemented esa instead chase after the [TS]

00:19:49   shooting star of definite case the Duff [TS]

00:19:51   yeah yeah you remember that old anecdote [TS]

00:19:55   about the two guys are going to the [TS]

00:19:56   theoretical jungle on that needs [TS]

00:19:58   Tigerstar's Karen asked ordem and [TS]

00:20:00   theoretical tiger [TS]

00:20:01   yes the theoretical tiger of the [TS]

00:20:03   anecdote and now we'll get you running [TS]

00:20:05   any other guys what are you doing [TS]

00:20:07   you're not going out on a tiger he says [TS]

00:20:08   I don't have to but I just got outrun [TS]

00:20:10   you [TS]

00:20:11   yeah I said that's actually in Alaska we [TS]

00:20:14   say out running out on the bear huh you [TS]

00:20:17   don't run the bear if you stepped on run [TS]

00:20:20   you through a great gag sorry that [TS]

00:20:23   over-explain oh thank you thank you for [TS]

00:20:25   clarifying that [TS]

00:20:26   um but I just gotta say I think that [TS]

00:20:28   when you get to be like any kind of an [TS]

00:20:29   agent guru or or sports person or [TS]

00:20:32   anything someone they were you really [TS]

00:20:33   like part of what you do requires that [TS]

00:20:35   somebody look up to you i think you just [TS]

00:20:37   need to look a little better than most [TS]

00:20:39   other people like if you're a guru like [TS]

00:20:42   if you're the thing is think about like [TS]

00:20:43   cannot check later that's gonna create [TS]

00:20:45   an example but like you know you don't [TS]

00:20:47   have to be there are so many [TS]

00:20:48   categorically handsome people in their [TS]

00:20:50   twenties and thirties and I've never [TS]

00:20:52   really drops off after 40 [TS]

00:20:54   well here's an interesting thing I [TS]

00:20:55   experienced the other day I went to a [TS]

00:20:58   meeting downtown and with the mayor of [TS]

00:21:02   Seattle it was our my first official [TS]

00:21:04   meeting with the mayor john goes to the [TS]

00:21:07   mayor john goes to the bear and I'm [TS]

00:21:09   there with the rest of the Seattle music [TS]

00:21:12   commission so there's like 10 of us on [TS]

00:21:15   one side of the table and then the mayor [TS]

00:21:18   the deputy mayor the assistant deputy [TS]

00:21:20   mayor the assistant deputy the deputy [TS]

00:21:25   mayor [TS]

00:21:25   they're all on one of the other side of [TS]

00:21:27   the table and we're talking about [TS]

00:21:29   striking out Seattle we're talking about [TS]

00:21:31   the future of Seattle some of the [TS]

00:21:34   waterfront talked about a lot of big [TS]

00:21:35   projects schools cellphone and in [TS]

00:21:40   anticipation of going downtown I put on [TS]

00:21:44   a suit because a I collect suits even [TS]

00:21:51   though i have no use for them and be [TS]

00:21:54   because I don't work I spend most of the [TS]

00:21:58   day just naked walking around in a [TS]

00:22:01   bathrobe swinging a sword and so when I [TS]

00:22:05   have a reason to consider many of [TS]

00:22:06   America's unemployed but I have a reason [TS]

00:22:10   to go down [TS]

00:22:12   I can't bring a sword to the mayor's [TS]

00:22:13   office first of all and it's like oh I'm [TS]

00:22:16   going downtown I have a meeting i'm [TS]

00:22:18   going to put on a suit I'm gonna like be [TS]

00:22:21   a guy who gets dressed up in as close to [TS]

00:22:24   go down to have an important meeting [TS]

00:22:25   with everybody so I get there and the [TS]

00:22:30   first thing about living in the West San [TS]

00:22:33   Francisco is the same in seattle in this [TS]

00:22:35   regard is that really you judge the most [TS]

00:22:39   important person in the room by how [TS]

00:22:41   shabbily he's dressed right like the [TS]

00:22:44   millions of the billionaires in seattle [TS]

00:22:47   all show up to the finest restaurants in [TS]

00:22:48   town in cargo shorts and fleece check [TS]

00:22:51   its it sounds like a really stupid [TS]

00:22:53   cliche but in my experience it's very [TS]

00:22:56   true [TS]

00:22:57   yea even even like another scene like I [TS]

00:22:59   couldn't pick Paul Allen out of a lineup [TS]

00:23:01   but even when you see guys who like an [TS]

00:23:02   adventure capital places [TS]

00:23:04   sure you might seem just wearing fleece [TS]

00:23:06   but you're never going to see them [TS]

00:23:07   wearing like a three-piece suit that [TS]

00:23:08   that looks like somebody trying to get a [TS]

00:23:10   job [TS]

00:23:10   yeah Paul Allen looks like a the the [TS]

00:23:13   pile of clothes at the bottom of the [TS]

00:23:15   locker like Paul Allen just is like a [TS]

00:23:18   bit too he's just a pile wherever he [TS]

00:23:20   goes and that's true of everybody like [TS]

00:23:22   you going to you go into a nice [TS]

00:23:25   restaurant in Seattle and the [TS]

00:23:26   best-dressed people in there are the [TS]

00:23:27   waiters you know right and so I'm [TS]

00:23:30   sitting in this i'm sitting in this [TS]

00:23:31   meeting and I've got a tie and a shirt [TS]

00:23:33   and a and a and [TS]

00:23:37   suit and some nice shoes and I comb my [TS]

00:23:39   hair and I'm looking around and [TS]

00:23:41   everybody else on the music panel uh you [TS]

00:23:46   know looks like a looks like a dump [TS]

00:23:48   truck ran into a hot topic haha and the [TS]

00:23:56   mayor and his like people who have to [TS]

00:23:59   wear suits are wearing the I have to [TS]

00:24:03   wear a suit suit you know there's a kind [TS]

00:24:06   of suit that there's a kind of suit that [TS]

00:24:10   a public server blade is the kind of [TS]

00:24:13   thing like the costume that your [TS]

00:24:14   professor wears to graduation like [TS]

00:24:16   represents their University you know [TS]

00:24:18   talking about yeah it's pretty looking [TS]

00:24:20   like Oxford thing with a funny hat [TS]

00:24:22   medallion [TS]

00:24:23   yeah I would never wear this unless I [TS]

00:24:24   absolutely had to yeah he's got 11 gold [TS]

00:24:26   stripes on one side and 14 purple [TS]

00:24:29   stripes on the other receptor so what [TS]

00:24:31   these suits i'm studying the suits of [TS]

00:24:34   the bear and his staff and what the [TS]

00:24:35   suits are meant to communicate is I am [TS]

00:24:38   required to wear a suit out of respect [TS]

00:24:40   for the office but I'm also a man of the [TS]

00:24:43   people and so I'm not wearing a nice [TS]

00:24:46   suit or a fancy suit or like a certainly [TS]

00:24:49   not a chic suit i am wearing a I'm [TS]

00:24:54   wearing unaffordable suit EG Telegraph [TS]

00:24:58   many different messages up and down and [TS]

00:25:01   sideways by what you choose to where you [TS]

00:25:04   have to it's really it's really politic [TS]

00:25:06   about what you wear right so let's [TS]

00:25:08   simply just you want to look powerful [TS]

00:25:09   you can't look too powerful exactly and [TS]

00:25:12   when you see a politician or you know [TS]

00:25:14   about a person in public service who was [TS]

00:25:17   wearing a really nice suit like an [TS]

00:25:20   expensive slick suit you automatically [TS]

00:25:22   distrust that person and the ill-fitting [TS]

00:25:26   cheap suit kind of is a nanite and I [TS]

00:25:30   think even even when politicians get to [TS]

00:25:33   be like very very powerful rich people [TS]

00:25:36   who are having suits made for them they [TS]

00:25:38   get them made in a kind of boxy cut with [TS]

00:25:43   an unfashionable line you know I mean [TS]

00:25:46   that's a shiny nobody's getting really a [TS]

00:25:49   mom [TS]

00:25:49   mr. right you don't want to look like a [TS]

00:25:51   monster but you also don't want to look [TS]

00:25:52   like yeah you don't want to look like [TS]

00:25:53   you're to Hollywood [TS]

00:25:56   so anyway I'm sitting in this meeting [TS]

00:25:57   and I'm looking around and I'm like I am [TS]

00:26:00   a fucking bar be in here I i am the I'm [TS]

00:26:05   the person that everyone in the room is [TS]

00:26:07   going to instinctively take less [TS]

00:26:10   seriously because I got dressed up for [TS]

00:26:13   this meeting and in fact got dressed up [TS]

00:26:16   in the style of a person that never gets [TS]

00:26:19   to wear his fancy fancy clothes so I'm [TS]

00:26:22   hear him by i'm here in my suit with my [TS]

00:26:25   I'm wearing it like a you know I wore a [TS]

00:26:26   collar bar and I wore on time in and I [TS]

00:26:31   you know I'm like I'm fucking paul f [TS]

00:26:33   tompkins in here the only thing missing [TS]

00:26:35   is a watch fob and I realized like oh I [TS]

00:26:39   can't keep doing this because I you know [TS]

00:26:42   I I want to walk up to the mirror after [TS]

00:26:44   this and tell him my plan for a new [TS]

00:26:47   police academy that I have that I've [TS]

00:26:50   been slowly percolating in my mind and [TS]

00:26:53   and they're just not going to their [TS]

00:26:56   instinctively going to dismiss me as a [TS]

00:26:58   as a pop or yes let's say like a [TS]

00:27:04   Victorian avoid going to a fancy feet [TS]

00:27:06   exactly what I'm what I'm trad [TS]

00:27:09   telegraphing is that I am an amateur and [TS]

00:27:11   and I look around at the rest of the the [TS]

00:27:14   music Commission and everybody's like [TS]

00:27:15   you know there's a guy who when he was [TS]

00:27:17   buttoning a shirt he got the buttons [TS]

00:27:19   wrong so it's like it [TS]

00:27:21   this is one button is up above his [TS]

00:27:25   collar and one is down you know and [TS]

00:27:26   there and and like the gals are all [TS]

00:27:29   sheep but they're all chic you know kind [TS]

00:27:31   of comfortable with that answer [TS]

00:27:33   that's so super tricky what kind of [TS]

00:27:35   person shoes and like like it there's so [TS]

00:27:37   much that people especially other women [TS]

00:27:40   can read into somebody's stressed and [TS]

00:27:42   what they are trying to Telegraph the [TS]

00:27:44   thing is exclusively other women men [TS]

00:27:46   have no like I am pretty fashion aware [TS]

00:27:50   and I have their I'm capable of decoding [TS]

00:27:53   at all and ninety-nine percent of the [TS]

00:27:55   men in the world who are just wearing [TS]

00:27:57   white athletics you like oh that that [TS]

00:28:00   looks really sharp like her clothes fit [TS]

00:28:01   and she looks awesome [TS]

00:28:02   but I'm 11000 mark that's Marc by Marc [TS]

00:28:07   Jacobs ya gonna do what I mean you're [TS]

00:28:11   really wearing topshop to this event [TS]

00:28:13   Wow molds or whatever game they're [TS]

00:28:16   playing with each other but I mean no [TS]

00:28:17   they they all look great but none of [TS]

00:28:20   them are none of them are pretty what [TS]

00:28:22   they are projecting is we are women in [TS]

00:28:25   powerful positions in our respective our [TS]

00:28:30   respective realms and so we do not have [TS]

00:28:33   to wear like way better have to look [TS]

00:28:37   like like Sigourney Weaver in working [TS]

00:28:39   girl right the stuff has to be tailored [TS]

00:28:42   enough just enough because we live in [TS]

00:28:45   Seattle yeah and so so now i'm now I [TS]

00:28:48   have this additional I was having a lot [TS]

00:28:50   of fun the last couple of years like [TS]

00:28:54   buying suits at thrift stores i would [TS]

00:28:57   find these old suits and be like this [TS]

00:28:59   suit is amazing i have to have it and I [TS]

00:29:02   would take it and then I got a tailor [TS]

00:29:04   and I was like you got a tailored suit [TS]

00:29:05   because I wanted to be like this and the [TS]

00:29:07   entire time conscious of course but [TS]

00:29:09   there's no occasion for me to wear a [TS]

00:29:10   suit [TS]

00:29:11   ninety-eight percent of the time I you [TS]

00:29:15   know I I mean certainly around the house [TS]

00:29:18   I'm I'm just dressed like a saturday [TS]

00:29:21   night live cast member in 1977 and then [TS]

00:29:25   when i go out that cocaine sink a [TS]

00:29:29   topknot and a cocaine sink and then when [TS]

00:29:33   i go out i'm i'm generally like head to [TS]

00:29:35   toe in wall because I'm never sure that [TS]

00:29:38   that an electromagnetic pulse isn't [TS]

00:29:41   gonna knock out all the computers that [TS]

00:29:43   run our cars and smart and I'm gonna [TS]

00:29:45   have to make it to the amount have to [TS]

00:29:47   make it to the hill country before [TS]

00:29:49   people start eating each other not gonna [TS]

00:29:52   wear a fucking suit if it's got to its [TS]

00:29:55   subtle what [TS]

00:29:57   so what are my occasions to wear a suit [TS]

00:29:59   I thought oh now I'm a big shot in the [TS]

00:30:01   city government right now and now I [TS]

00:30:04   can't wear suits to that either but you [TS]

00:30:05   might like email look at you thinking [TS]

00:30:06   hey you're probably thinking like you [TS]

00:30:08   might look a little eccentric or [TS]

00:30:09   artistic but that's the environment [TS]

00:30:11   right it's all right isn't that but it's [TS]

00:30:13   nice to come up costumey do you think [TS]

00:30:15   was a [TS]

00:30:16   old beyond costumey but here's the funny [TS]

00:30:18   thing I've been going to these cocktail [TS]

00:30:20   parties or having meetings with the [TS]

00:30:22   people on the Art Commission and I [TS]

00:30:25   realized the people on the Art [TS]

00:30:27   Commission are all dressed like it like [TS]

00:30:30   we're in a Fellini movie like the music [TS]

00:30:34   Commission the music Commission just [TS]

00:30:37   they grab their clothes from the free [TS]

00:30:39   pile as they're leaving their apartment [TS]

00:30:41   building on the way to work like Oh idea [TS]

00:30:43   scarf what's in the free pile of the [TS]

00:30:46   Arts Commission like dudes are seriously [TS]

00:30:48   wearing a Scots models but people have [TS]

00:30:52   those Italian shoes that are so pointy [TS]

00:30:55   that they become like like polly achi [TS]

00:30:59   shoes right i mean so really the people [TS]

00:31:02   that I need to cuddle up to or the arts [TS]

00:31:05   people like you know painters and and [TS]

00:31:07   and the like the Opera people or [TS]

00:31:10   whatever they really dress like like [TS]

00:31:13   fruit cakes because it's what I not [TS]

00:31:15   mention that much at stake at this means [TS]

00:31:17   i'm guessing [TS]

00:31:18   oh no people you know this is this has [TS]

00:31:22   to be true in San Francisco to I think [TS]

00:31:24   it's true all around the world but [TS]

00:31:25   whatever it was 25 years ago when they [TS]

00:31:29   started started instituting that one [TS]

00:31:31   percent for art business it's like well [TS]

00:31:35   we're going to rebuild the freeway and [TS]

00:31:38   it's a 500 million dollar project and [TS]

00:31:43   the legislature put this one percent for [TS]

00:31:47   art clause in all public projects which [TS]

00:31:52   means one percent of the total budget of [TS]

00:31:55   like epic projects has to be set aside [TS]

00:32:00   for there to be an art component right [TS]

00:32:02   which is why there's so much [TS]

00:32:05   publicly-funded massive sculpture in big [TS]

00:32:10   cities like you go downtown it's like [TS]

00:32:13   wow there's a huge stainless steel donut [TS]

00:32:15   now in front of the city hall where did [TS]

00:32:18   that come from and why it's like oh [TS]

00:32:20   because we because we built a tunnel [TS]

00:32:23   under the bay and it costs a billion [TS]

00:32:26   dollars and so I [TS]

00:32:29   up one percent of that was yeah you know [TS]

00:32:32   it's like a rounding error that's that's [TS]

00:32:34   pretty serious doubt for that kind of [TS]

00:32:35   community millions and millions and so [TS]

00:32:39   that and then of course it's like oh [TS]

00:32:42   this is for art and immediately no one [TS]

00:32:46   want you know I immediately like no one [TS]

00:32:48   in government wants to have anything to [TS]

00:32:50   do with it because art is a lightning [TS]

00:32:52   rod from for people to be furious and so [TS]

00:32:56   that's why you even have a heart [TS]

00:32:57   Commission you put a bunch of people in [TS]

00:33:00   a Scots around a table and you and you [TS]

00:33:04   dump this this uh I got like a logic [TS]

00:33:08   basket full of money [TS]

00:33:09   yeah like a duffel bag full of cash and [TS]

00:33:10   you're like okay this is that this is [TS]

00:33:12   the rounding error from the latest [TS]

00:33:14   tunnel project figure out how to [TS]

00:33:16   disperses and then these guys you know [TS]

00:33:19   and they all have their that they have [TS]

00:33:21   glad they're all wearing glasses that [TS]

00:33:22   make my most outrageous pair of glasses [TS]

00:33:24   look like something from front that's [TS]

00:33:28   something that you've got a costco like [TS]

00:33:30   you know guys that speak with the time [TS]

00:33:32   axis that have classes that are bigger [TS]

00:33:33   than their head and there then so they [TS]

00:33:37   the Arts Commission has cash they have [TS]

00:33:40   real money interesting and they and we [TS]

00:33:43   be incredible you're queer community [TS]

00:33:44   interfacing with them our committee is [TS]

00:33:47   interfacing I had a cat are you [TS]

00:33:49   Entre Nous with them well it is where a [TS]

00:33:52   little where we are trying to the new [TS]

00:33:54   are trying to entree with them in the [TS]

00:33:58   sense that they have seniority the Arts [TS]

00:34:01   Commission is 50 years old whereas the [TS]

00:34:03   music Commission is five years old so [TS]

00:34:06   there's a little bit of they don't they [TS]

00:34:08   don't appear to be condescending to us [TS]

00:34:11   but there is a little bit of like they [TS]

00:34:16   have a long history of dealing with lots [TS]

00:34:18   and lots of money and we are just like [TS]

00:34:21   hey one of the things you could do with [TS]

00:34:23   that money is given to us [TS]

00:34:26   and then that then there's a long pause [TS]

00:34:28   everybody looks at their fingernails [TS]

00:34:32   we'll see we'll see what I've got to [TS]

00:34:35   establish myself as a serious member of [TS]

00:34:38   this organization in order that that [TS]

00:34:42   some of my larger plans be put into [TS]

00:34:44   place and I'm not going to get there by [TS]

00:34:48   like mincing in my would like but my [TS]

00:34:52   lavender shirt in my collar bar love [TS]

00:34:54   that word [TS]

00:34:55   I'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to [TS]

00:34:57   start you know what it is i think i [TS]

00:34:58   might wear a suit but not a tie that [TS]

00:35:02   communicates that communicates a lot of [TS]

00:35:04   this like a little bit mr. Furley well [TS]

00:35:07   no I'm not wearing a leisure see ok just [TS]

00:35:11   one piece suit [TS]

00:35:12   hi no I'm gonna like we're gonna we're [TS]

00:35:14   exes a sharp suit but then my shirt open [TS]

00:35:17   and that's the kind of like yeah I know [TS]

00:35:21   you just mean like one button [TS]

00:35:23   yeah I'm not like open to my table i [TS]

00:35:26   don't know i think that that that's [TS]

00:35:29   something they're gonna have to really [TS]

00:35:30   think about if they see the heck they [TS]

00:35:31   would have to think if you look really [TS]

00:35:33   good in your shoes are shined like you [TS]

00:35:35   saying your hair's your shirt is open to [TS]

00:35:38   your navel in meetings to discuss on [TS]

00:35:42   away scratching yourself but what's a [TS]

00:35:46   good talk about the easement for how [TS]

00:35:48   could we should talk about my plan for [TS]

00:35:50   the police [TS]

00:35:52   you're all under arrest I have a very [TS]

00:35:55   good plan for the police [TS]

00:35:57   haha no really do you know we talked [TS]

00:36:00   about the police not very long ago yeah [TS]

00:36:02   we got a lot of nice feedback about that [TS]

00:36:03   i have a pea that but but strangely none [TS]

00:36:07   from police fraternal organizations [TS]

00:36:10   great [TS]

00:36:11   but my plan my plan for the police for [TS]

00:36:13   Seattle and I think this i think this [TS]

00:36:15   will work all across the country is I [TS]

00:36:18   think part of the problem of the [TS]

00:36:19   militarization of the police has been [TS]

00:36:21   the suburbanization of the police the [TS]

00:36:25   cops when you when you when you talk to [TS]

00:36:28   any individual Cobb the cops and the [TS]

00:36:31   firemen all live in the suburbs now [TS]

00:36:34   right [TS]

00:36:35   they didn't get away from the crime [TS]

00:36:36   exactly they pursue the American Dream [TS]

00:36:38   and cop culture and firemen culture is [TS]

00:36:42   suburbanite culture which is [TS]

00:36:45   intrinsically suspicious of people who [TS]

00:36:48   live in the city and you know and it [TS]

00:36:51   fosters a kind of racist like outer rain [TS]

00:36:55   contempt and dislike for poor people and [TS]

00:36:59   people who live in town and so my plan [TS]

00:37:03   for the for the modernization and like [TS]

00:37:08   read integration of the cops is that [TS]

00:37:11   every city should build a police academy [TS]

00:37:14   in the heart of town room because the [TS]

00:37:19   magnet school kind of thing right [TS]

00:37:20   exactly like I think part of the problem [TS]

00:37:22   with the cops too is that we've started [TS]

00:37:24   to think about police as being a job [TS]

00:37:26   that requires a four-year degree and [TS]

00:37:29   this is this is a subset of a larger [TS]

00:37:31   problem which is the inflation the [TS]

00:37:34   four-year degree inflation we're now [TS]

00:37:37   like if you want to if you want to [TS]

00:37:40   manage a ziebart you have to have a [TS]

00:37:44   four-year degree like if you want to if [TS]

00:37:48   you want to be the person in charge of [TS]

00:37:50   the Froyo machine at the at the cold [TS]

00:37:54   stone creamery after four year degree if [TS]

00:37:57   you want anything that requires a key [TS]

00:37:58   right pretty much you won't ever bring [TS]

00:38:01   your keys and just anything like we're [TS]

00:38:04   let you have anything that isn't like [TS]

00:38:06   when i worked at McDonald's and there's [TS]

00:38:08   a button you hit that within which means [TS]

00:38:10   i put the meat down and we'll tell you [TS]

00:38:12   when it's time to flip it was [TS]

00:38:13   somersaulted and so on so forth [TS]

00:38:14   it was actually literally idiot-proof if [TS]

00:38:16   you want a job more than that today you [TS]

00:38:18   can get a college degree and that's [TS]

00:38:19   really fucked up [TS]

00:38:20   it's really fucked up because a you [TS]

00:38:22   don't need a college degree had be also [TS]

00:38:24   guarantee of anything it's not and then [TS]

00:38:26   what what that massive influx of people [TS]

00:38:29   in colleges has done is make colleges [TS]

00:38:32   worthless like colleges are doing [TS]

00:38:34   college job now and and and and it [TS]

00:38:38   became a thing I think it became a thing [TS]

00:38:40   in the last 50 years that that people in [TS]

00:38:43   politics were able to say like college [TS]

00:38:46   we want everyone to have an opportunity [TS]

00:38:48   to go to college and it was a it was an [TS]

00:38:50   easy thing to say a harder thing to do [TS]

00:38:53   but it was a thing that it was a thing [TS]

00:38:56   in public life that they could direct [TS]

00:38:58   money and resources and a lot of like a [TS]

00:39:03   lot of glad-handing attention to [TS]

00:39:06   we're going to make colleges accessible [TS]

00:39:08   to everyone and so what they did was not [TS]

00:39:11   make a a grand college education [TS]

00:39:14   accessible to everyone they just make [TS]

00:39:16   college stupid so that everybody could [TS]

00:39:18   get into it and so my thinking is one of [TS]

00:39:22   the things that we don't need is cops [TS]

00:39:24   that went to college [TS]

00:39:25   really they don't need to go to college [TS]

00:39:28   they need to go to a great police [TS]

00:39:31   academy right a curriculum / me huh [TS]

00:39:36   would be with the police academy located [TS]

00:39:40   in the center of town in the heart of [TS]

00:39:42   town so that every day you see the young [TS]

00:39:44   police treat trainees in there [TS]

00:39:48   what I would hope would be like easter [TS]

00:39:51   egg colored sweats and they're running [TS]

00:39:55   up and they're doing their calisthenics [TS]

00:39:57   and you're starting out with a little [TS]

00:39:59   bit of humility is that the idea you [TS]

00:40:01   know what I mean breaking down to earth [TS]

00:40:02   they're running around the town they're [TS]

00:40:03   doing a literal funny years with a badge [TS]

00:40:06   on them they're doing they're doing [TS]

00:40:09   their pull-ups or whatever in the bus [TS]

00:40:11   stations and we and we all get to see [TS]

00:40:15   the young tops and training and they are [TS]

00:40:18   living with us and their dormitories are [TS]

00:40:21   right there in the town and so by the [TS]

00:40:23   time I by the time a young police person [TS]

00:40:26   an aspiring police person graduates to [TS]

00:40:29   become a badge officer [TS]

00:40:32   they are inculcated in the language and [TS]

00:40:35   culture of the city they intend to [TS]

00:40:37   police there already and a resident of [TS]

00:40:39   an urban neighborhood that's right they [TS]

00:40:41   live in the town and they are their [TS]

00:40:44   members of the town and they have [TS]

00:40:45   trained in the town so they're not out [TS]

00:40:47   at some firing range boot camp out in [TS]

00:40:52   BFE right and they're not they're not [TS]

00:40:56   being indoctrinated into a culture that [TS]

00:40:58   lives outside of the city and is and is [TS]

00:41:01   inherently hostile to the city so [TS]

00:41:03   interesting because it really is it's [TS]

00:41:05   like something from a Bruce Lee movie [TS]

00:41:06   where you go to this almost like this [TS]

00:41:07   guarded temple and everything happens in [TS]

00:41:09   private be very interesting to have [TS]

00:41:11   something not just on honestly not just [TS]

00:41:14   in into like embarrassed people or [TS]

00:41:15   something but be kind of interesting to [TS]

00:41:17   have in the middle of the city and where [TS]

00:41:18   people could observe it while it's [TS]

00:41:19   happening exactly by transparency [TS]

00:41:21   because the concept of policing is is [TS]

00:41:25   very very basic like the cops themselves [TS]

00:41:28   are not do not have power their power is [TS]

00:41:32   the power that we grab them to police us [TS]

00:41:36   because we need it because we are big [TS]

00:41:39   monkeys and so we say collectively yes [TS]

00:41:44   we need someone to call we need to we [TS]

00:41:47   need to put somebody in a position where [TS]

00:41:49   we can call them and we need help and [TS]

00:41:52   these are the people who you know we're [TS]

00:41:56   going to a point to that we want them to [TS]

00:41:58   be young and strong and fleet of foot [TS]

00:42:01   and but also like smart enough and [TS]

00:42:04   empowered just enough to be able to make [TS]

00:42:08   judgment calls but just be people and [TS]

00:42:11   we're going to be smarter people write [TS]

00:42:13   this the people part is important and [TS]

00:42:15   even though we acknowledge yeah I [TS]

00:42:17   precisely and I mean even though we [TS]

00:42:18   acknowledge that we want to be police we [TS]

00:42:20   went up by these rules and we want [TS]

00:42:22   recourse if something happens i think [TS]

00:42:24   that it's also it's it doesn't mean that [TS]

00:42:27   we're prepared you know so much 0 or 1 [TS]

00:42:30   black-and-white kind of thinking about [TS]

00:42:31   these things [TS]

00:42:32   it's not saying that we are willingly ok [TS]

00:42:34   when in exchange we will no longer have [TS]

00:42:35   a civil society where we understand what [TS]

00:42:37   rules are enforced the way they are like [TS]

00:42:40   if I want if I'm gonna be able to call [TS]

00:42:41   somebody when somebody steals my [TS]

00:42:42   marijuana [TS]

00:42:43   I somebody like parked in my space that [TS]

00:42:47   means i'm willing to live in a police [TS]

00:42:48   state [TS]

00:42:49   that's well yeah right exactly at that's [TS]

00:42:52   what John has pretty good [TS]

00:42:54   well then what got me thinking was I was [TS]

00:42:56   I was driving along the other day with [TS]

00:42:58   my daughter and every time a fire truck [TS]

00:43:02   goes by or policemen goes by with their [TS]

00:43:05   lights on she's very curious what's [TS]

00:43:07   going on and I always say well the [TS]

00:43:10   fireman is going to help somebody or the [TS]

00:43:12   policeman is going to help somebody and [TS]

00:43:15   all of that is part of the part of the [TS]

00:43:19   like cultural relation that happened to [TS]

00:43:22   me when I was growing up which is to be [TS]

00:43:25   taught that the police are there to help [TS]

00:43:28   you and the firemen are there to help [TS]

00:43:30   you get help and protect you something [TS]

00:43:32   happens but you also wanted to know that [TS]

00:43:34   if something happens you can go to [TS]

00:43:35   somebody in a uniform and tell them [TS]

00:43:37   about it exactly like the police on the [TS]

00:43:40   fire department are our friends and they [TS]

00:43:42   are there to help us so i'm driving [TS]

00:43:44   along i'm describing the store and she [TS]

00:43:46   knows this pretty well now and then I [TS]

00:43:48   realize the tremendous gulf between the [TS]

00:43:54   experience that I've had my whole life [TS]

00:43:56   even even during the many years when I [TS]

00:43:59   was like fuck the police man believes [TS]

00:44:02   you but you look in cops man who are [TS]

00:44:06   like trying to like come down on us in [TS]

00:44:10   like you know they represent the man and [TS]

00:44:14   come down on us [TS]

00:44:15   yeah Freddy hops man even all those [TS]

00:44:19   years when I was like when I was [TS]

00:44:22   socially hostile to the cops as part of [TS]

00:44:25   my rock and roll under underbelly like I [TS]

00:44:29   also understood very clearly that [TS]

00:44:32   recourse to the law was a thing that [TS]

00:44:35   what was a was not a right but that it [TS]

00:44:38   it it involved it was it was a [TS]

00:44:41   participatory [TS]

00:44:43   aspect of citizenship and if you were [TS]

00:44:45   ever going to call the cops you had [TS]

00:44:48   better also hold up your end of the [TS]

00:44:51   bargain by being a like for the most [TS]

00:44:55   part law abiding and a citizen and and [TS]

00:44:58   the and the contempt i have for most [TS]

00:45:00   people is the selective citizenship [TS]

00:45:03   words like they call the cops and the [TS]

00:45:05   fire department when they need help but [TS]

00:45:07   then they refused to pay their taxes or [TS]

00:45:09   they're both they're you know they're [TS]

00:45:11   bullies or they are greedy or they are [TS]

00:45:14   cheaters in every other aspect of expect [TS]

00:45:17   they expect to be extraordinarily [TS]

00:45:19   protected by the police what other [TS]

00:45:20   people are basically exposed to whatever [TS]

00:45:23   kind of Russia kicking punk flipping [TS]

00:45:26   bullshit people feel like doing on a [TS]

00:45:27   given Saturday night [TS]

00:45:29   right right i mean isn't that kind of it [TS]

00:45:30   that's the real inequality in some ways [TS]

00:45:32   is I get extraordinary protection [TS]

00:45:33   because of this and you get treated that [TS]

00:45:35   way because well because of that right [TS]

00:45:37   and and what and I guess the what was [TS]

00:45:42   happening to me the other day the brain [TS]

00:45:43   flip that I was experiencing was I was [TS]

00:45:47   sitting here teaching my daughter this [TS]

00:45:48   thing that I feel is fundamental which [TS]

00:45:50   is the police and fire departments are [TS]

00:45:52   there to help you and then I reflected [TS]

00:45:55   upon the fact that there are large [TS]

00:45:57   communities of citizens in my own City [TS]

00:46:01   who do not see the police that way and [TS]

00:46:04   that the father's in those communities [TS]

00:46:08   are forced to teach their daughters a [TS]

00:46:12   healthy suspicion of the police like be [TS]

00:46:16   careful around the police is kind of the [TS]

00:46:19   gentlest way that they probably have to [TS]

00:46:21   describe it and I'm sure there are [TS]

00:46:23   plenty of families where the lesson from [TS]

00:46:26   a very young ages avoid the police at [TS]

00:46:29   all costs like the police are not your [TS]

00:46:31   friends the police will hurt you if they [TS]

00:46:33   get a chance to see a kind of a kind of [TS]

00:46:35   them sleeping giant like the right don't [TS]

00:46:38   don't just better better to just go take [TS]

00:46:40   care of this yeah because executive [TS]

00:46:41   consequences way beyond getting your [TS]

00:46:43   redress if you have problems call a [TS]

00:46:45   family member call you know like run to [TS]

00:46:48   someone who looks like us but whatever [TS]

00:46:51   you do do not attract the attention of [TS]

00:46:53   the police because it never ends well [TS]

00:46:55   and to imagine to imagine you know [TS]

00:46:58   myself sharing a city and a culture and [TS]

00:47:01   anna and a civic life with with groups [TS]

00:47:06   of fellow Americans who do not have the [TS]

00:47:09   same recourse to the law and do not feel [TS]

00:47:11   this do not feel that the police are [TS]

00:47:14   there to help them in my hand and as as [TS]

00:47:16   my daughter gets older I will for sure [TS]

00:47:18   say like don't mouth off to the police [TS]

00:47:21   the police are the police are idiots [TS]

00:47:26   let's be honest like they are typically [TS]

00:47:28   24 year olds with criminal justice [TS]

00:47:31   degrees who have been who are in culture [TS]

00:47:36   rated to be unreflecting with father [TS]

00:47:39   issues right there like I'm going to [TS]

00:47:42   think that sometimes like you I [TS]

00:47:44   absolutely they're there they're working [TS]

00:47:46   out something way beyond criminal [TS]

00:47:47   justice right now [TS]

00:47:48   well and the and the problem is that [TS]

00:47:49   within the culture that is teaching them [TS]

00:47:52   and training them that is encouraged you [TS]

00:47:54   know that their lieutenants and their [TS]

00:47:56   captains also have not been fully [TS]

00:48:00   culture ated they have a they've been [TS]

00:48:03   allowed to maintain its the problem with [TS]

00:48:05   the CIA the CIA isn't is somewhat an [TS]

00:48:10   independent organization and the prayer [TS]

00:48:13   and they nominally answer to the [TS]

00:48:14   president but in fact presidents come [TS]

00:48:17   and go and the CIA remains and so the [TS]

00:48:22   CIA is not and does not feel answerable [TS]

00:48:24   to anybody and it maintains this inner [TS]

00:48:27   culture that over time has become [TS]

00:48:31   infected and now CIA is separate from [TS]

00:48:37   the the separate from the balance of [TS]

00:48:42   power that keeps our governments table [TS]

00:48:44   and and they become and and then they [TS]

00:48:48   end up as a rogue organization and to [TS]

00:48:51   bring them to heel requires it like an [TS]

00:48:53   incredible amount of will from the [TS]

00:48:56   Congress and and the executive and it's [TS]

00:48:59   a it's it's will bit so do they sell [TS]

00:49:02   them Express you know and and it's going [TS]

00:49:04   to take a certain amount of what feels [TS]

00:49:05   like futzing around where rather just [TS]

00:49:07   waiting for something [TS]

00:49:08   it's a huge problem that now we have to [TS]

00:49:09   cover up or whatever to have an ongoing [TS]

00:49:11   and get that were transparency and [TS]

00:49:14   ongoing sense that like we need to [TS]

00:49:15   really know what's happening and we need [TS]

00:49:17   to tell people what's happening and we [TS]

00:49:19   need to make sure that it's what we told [TS]

00:49:20   people was going to happen right and [TS]

00:49:21   there needs to be actual effective [TS]

00:49:23   oversight civilian oversight of these [TS]

00:49:25   Affairs that is that is 100-percent like [TS]

00:49:30   a it is not it is not sufficient that [TS]

00:49:34   your organization investigate itself and [TS]

00:49:37   declare that you that you have I mean [TS]

00:49:40   this happens in the Seattle Police [TS]

00:49:42   Department all the time it happens in [TS]

00:49:43   the CIA all the time right let's look [TS]

00:49:45   for security reasons we can't show you [TS]

00:49:46   what the results are but we'll just tell [TS]

00:49:47   you turned out great [TS]

00:49:48   yeah we did an investigation of that [TS]

00:49:50   thing and we do is we determined that [TS]

00:49:52   everybody acted properly and except for [TS]

00:49:54   there was one thing that we could have [TS]

00:49:55   done better and the appropriate measures [TS]

00:49:57   were taken and it's just like okay no no [TS]

00:50:01   no and and two to fire everybody is to [TS]

00:50:06   just to fire everybody the top is to [TS]

00:50:09   just then promote the lieutenant's up [TS]

00:50:13   who raised in the same in the same so [TS]

00:50:16   what a terrible stuff that I'm and that [TS]

00:50:17   is that if you think about it that this [TS]

00:50:19   problem is so out of control that I [TS]

00:50:21   can't manage anymore so i have to fire [TS]

00:50:23   everyone and start over but also that [TS]

00:50:25   well say anything like that be [TS]

00:50:27   acceptable right and and the only reason [TS]

00:50:29   that the only reason that we're in that [TS]

00:50:31   situation is that these organizations [TS]

00:50:34   continue to recruit and and [TS]

00:50:36   indoctrinated generation after [TS]

00:50:39   generation into this into what is [TS]

00:50:41   essentially like an 11 [TS]

00:50:44   they are an unbeaten hold and culture [TS]

00:50:47   anyway so my plan for the my plan [TS]

00:50:49   long-term for urban police departments [TS]

00:50:52   is to reintegrate them into urban life [TS]

00:50:55   and novel and and and ultimately like if [TS]

00:50:58   you want a promotion in the seattle City [TS]

00:51:01   Police Department live in Seattle if you [TS]

00:51:04   want to if you want to get your sergeant [TS]

00:51:06   stripes live in Seattle don't live in [TS]

00:51:08   issaquah if you live in issaquah want to [TS]

00:51:11   join the fucking issaquah police [TS]

00:51:12   department [TS]

00:51:13   if you want to live work in the Seattle [TS]

00:51:15   Police Department and you don't want to [TS]

00:51:17   live in seattle then we then you're not [TS]

00:51:20   sergeant material not lieutenant [TS]

00:51:22   material and that seems like in some [TS]

00:51:27   ways fundamental I have a good friend [TS]

00:51:30   who works in the Seattle Fire Department [TS]

00:51:32   he's a close friend and he describes the [TS]

00:51:35   culture in the fire stations as because [TS]

00:51:39   a lot of these guys they're mustache [TS]

00:51:41   guys you know what I mean they're moving [TS]

00:51:43   they're living out there living on an [TS]

00:51:46   acre and a half that they're buying with [TS]

00:51:49   their you know what their inflated Union [TS]

00:51:52   salaries and they're out there just a [TS]

00:51:56   quick message on your listening to the [TS]

00:51:57   pacifica radio network of this is we are [TS]

00:51:59   picmonkey with a number on the back [TS]

00:52:02   after this word from police [TS]

00:52:04   ah but he characterizes the Seattle [TS]

00:52:07   Police Department in her culture as [TS]

00:52:09   being light up like a basically redneck [TS]

00:52:13   redneck and prepare their mustache guys [TS]

00:52:16   and they're like you know they go they [TS]

00:52:18   and and and it's a hard job right there [TS]

00:52:20   getting people dialing 911 right and a [TS]

00:52:23   lot of people are dialing 911 just [TS]

00:52:24   because they're lonely and rather than [TS]

00:52:28   make friends they pretend they're having [TS]

00:52:31   a heart attack so that some firemen will [TS]

00:52:33   come and pet their hair like I remember [TS]

00:52:35   that one [TS]

00:52:36   you should try it the good one you know [TS]

00:52:39   Merlin I call 911 all the time but it's [TS]

00:52:42   the things are going I got just a report [TS]

00:52:46   like hey i saw hey i saw a pigeon that [TS]

00:52:48   was limping hey it's Merlin on [TS]

00:52:51   hey what's up um I don't have a problem [TS]

00:52:53   yet about i just wanted to give you an [TS]

00:52:58   update on a couple front of the fence is [TS]

00:53:00   still an issue it's leaning a little bit [TS]

00:53:03   i've had a lot of coffee today I've had [TS]

00:53:06   so much coffee today I just the [TS]

00:53:08   self-harm [TS]

00:53:12   so anyway that's my that's my project [TS]

00:53:14   that's my reform project but i'm not [TS]

00:53:15   going to get that i'm not going to get [TS]

00:53:17   that happening if I'm wearing a tie bar [TS]

00:53:19   at these meetings in the music committee [TS]

00:53:20   mr. Roderick is it about these [TS]

00:53:26   applications and talk but you bring to [TS]

00:53:28   the fore but don't know someone in this [TS]

00:53:31   particular the community however so we [TS]

00:53:36   thank you very much for standing up at [TS]

00:53:38   this meeting mr. archive ask you just to [TS]

00:53:41   write all these down and capture more [TS]

00:53:43   people we're going to pass that along to [TS]

00:53:45   reinvent community right now haven't we [TS]

00:53:48   are discussing parking didn't kill your [TS]

00:53:51   parking George outside showbox looks [TS]

00:53:55   like that was that was a window right [TS]

00:53:56   you guys get one man's dedicated parking [TS]

00:53:59   zone clearly marked you know in in a [TS]

00:54:02   city you know city lives and dies by its [TS]

00:54:04   parking boot so in a city if you can get [TS]

00:54:07   if you can get a handle on the parking [TS]

00:54:09   if you get if you get your hands around [TS]

00:54:12   the parking the rest will follow [TS]

00:54:14   that's right you end up in charge us [TS]

00:54:16   Clinton said that I believe that's good [TS]

00:54:18   that's really true it's a that's that's [TS]

00:54:21   the thing that's why I didn't mean to [TS]

00:54:22   sound glib about the artistic people [TS]

00:54:24   with Fellini glasses but in in your case [TS]

00:54:28   like we help people must take what you [TS]

00:54:32   guys have to say Skynet is seriously [TS]

00:54:34   because you're influential people but [TS]

00:54:35   also it is a there's some commerce [TS]

00:54:37   involved right it isn't just spending [TS]

00:54:39   money on a giant bow and arrow you know [TS]

00:54:42   look at UC San Francisco but the public [TS]

00:54:46   art is important but but in this case it [TS]

00:54:47   is also commerce and things that Seattle [TS]

00:54:50   is well known for like music [TS]

00:54:52   well yeah I the you don't exaggerate [TS]

00:54:54   that too much that right but the the [TS]

00:54:56   problem is that mrs. the thing I think I [TS]

00:54:58   probably mentioned this before like when [TS]

00:55:01   though when the Rolling Stones played at [TS]

00:55:03   the Kingdome [TS]

00:55:05   there were 50,000 people there and [TS]

00:55:09   everybody was like that's incredible [TS]

00:55:10   50,000 people came to see the rolling [TS]

00:55:14   stones but then the following wednesday [TS]

00:55:17   50,000 people were there to see the [TS]

00:55:19   seahawks lose to the bears and you [TS]

00:55:23   realize oh right 50,000 people there to [TS]

00:55:27   see The Rolling Stones happens once but [TS]

00:55:31   50,000 people come to watch that stupid [TS]

00:55:33   football team again like week every week [TS]

00:55:36   and and then there's 60,000 people [TS]

00:55:41   watching the baseball team and a million [TS]

00:55:46   more in the region Washington on TV and [TS]

00:55:50   you get a sense that music is me at this [TS]

00:55:57   is this is very complicated from from [TS]

00:55:59   the standpoint of a musician but like [TS]

00:56:01   music is important to us in name only [TS]

00:56:07   really you know every single person at [TS]

00:56:10   that football game has heard the rolling [TS]

00:56:13   stones but like they probably are only [TS]

00:56:19   earned they don't own three different [TS]

00:56:22   $60 Rolling Stones jerseys and registers [TS]

00:56:26   that they're not paying for an iphone [TS]

00:56:28   app that lets them watch The Rolling [TS]

00:56:29   Stones every single time that they [TS]

00:56:32   perform at all [TS]

00:56:33   that's a really interesting way to look [TS]

00:56:35   at it and I get into this with people [TS]

00:56:37   all the time where they're like blah [TS]

00:56:38   blah albums blah blah music should be [TS]

00:56:41   free blah blah blah blah blah and I say [TS]

00:56:44   you know an album a record album that [TS]

00:56:47   took a year to make cost ten dollars on [TS]

00:56:52   itunes and it's a record that you may [TS]

00:56:58   listen to a 500 times in your life as [TS]

00:57:02   many times you want a device that you've [TS]

00:57:04   got forever for a ten-dollar ten dollars [TS]

00:57:07   or you're going to see a movie for [TS]

00:57:11   fourteen dollars and the movie you will [TS]

00:57:15   watch once and it lasts an hour [TS]

00:57:18   and yet people go see movies you know [TS]

00:57:27   without reflecting and yet buying an [TS]

00:57:34   album seems like a big like I don't know [TS]

00:57:37   if I want to go by that album [TS]

00:57:40   jeez you know like buying an album is is [TS]

00:57:44   some kind of big investment and so so [TS]

00:57:50   music is like for those of us who live [TS]

00:57:55   in in the music world and think about [TS]

00:57:57   music [TS]

00:57:58   um it's it's of this its kind of has [TS]

00:58:01   this preeminent importance but really [TS]

00:58:06   the way we value it culturally is like [TS]

00:58:11   it is though it is window dressing [TS]

00:58:14   ultimately and so when we try and make [TS]

00:58:18   an economic argument for music it is [TS]

00:58:23   legit [TS]

00:58:24   music is a an economic driver but the [TS]

00:58:31   mayor is leaving the meeting with us and [TS]

00:58:32   he's going to meet with the [TS]

00:58:34   representatives of the construction [TS]

00:58:37   Union and it's just like yeah okay well [TS]

00:58:41   who we are where were drop in the bucket [TS]

00:58:46   even if you extend the the reasoning and [TS]

00:58:49   I think it's powerful reasoning like why [TS]

00:58:52   do people come to Seattle to work at [TS]

00:58:54   Microsoft if they could if they can go [TS]

00:58:56   live in palo alto or san jose why would [TS]

00:59:02   they choose to come work at amazon or a [TS]

00:59:06   Seattle tech company and the reason that [TS]

00:59:09   most of them say is well I want to like [TS]

00:59:12   Seattle culture i want to be a part of [TS]

00:59:14   seattle culture [TS]

00:59:15   uh-huh i want to go to shows i want to [TS]

00:59:18   be part of the the [TS]

00:59:20   vibrant kind of musical cultural milia [TS]

00:59:24   that doesn't exist in san jose and has [TS]

00:59:29   been in a lot of ways priced out of San [TS]

00:59:31   Francisco again you can't start a band [TS]

00:59:35   in san francisco now your boots 5001 [TS]

00:59:38   through unless you would like to live [TS]

00:59:39   closer to san jose and Oakland yeah [TS]

00:59:43   you'd be in oakland right which is a [TS]

00:59:45   real city [TS]

00:59:46   Oakland is a fairly fairly real city and [TS]

00:59:48   super real city hope opens getting a [TS]

00:59:50   priced out to carry out there so so you [TS]

00:59:54   can drastically make that economic [TS]

00:59:56   impact argument to the mayor all the [TS]

00:59:59   time like what [TS]

00:59:59   time like what [TS]

01:00:00   and when people fill out surveys why did [TS]

01:00:02   I moved to Seattle music is always right [TS]

01:00:05   at the top of the list but again it's [TS]

01:00:07   intangible right [TS]

01:00:10   I you know I i have so many blind spots [TS]

01:00:13   and cataracts in my life but I feel like [TS]

01:00:14   two giant cultural holes in my life [TS]

01:00:18   probably my detriment our video games [TS]

01:00:20   and sports and videogames I just a [TS]

01:00:23   couple video games to play on my phone [TS]

01:00:25   but compared to anybody my age or [TS]

01:00:27   younger completely off my radar screen i [TS]

01:00:30   just it is it really it's not even like [TS]

01:00:32   hospital thing with video games really [TS]

01:00:33   is it just an eye [TS]

01:00:35   I'm not interested like it i don't i [TS]

01:00:37   don't care i don't care about sports [TS]

01:00:40   I'm actively against sports in some ways [TS]

01:00:42   but those two things failing to really [TS]

01:00:44   grok what those two industries uber [TS]

01:00:47   industries really means to stop 1f when [TS]

01:00:49   it does occur to me I realize how dumb I [TS]

01:00:51   am because I had never put sports even [TS]

01:00:54   in the same i never i just don't think [TS]

01:00:56   about supports it just doesn't i just i [TS]

01:00:58   mainly I think about sports somebody [TS]

01:01:00   mentioned sports i got we're talking [TS]

01:01:01   about sports that's really dorky but in [TS]

01:01:03   this case it's so interesting to think [TS]

01:01:04   about how much money passes through that [TS]

01:01:07   town whenever there's a sports game [TS]

01:01:09   going on [TS]

01:01:10   it's a it's really amazing to think that [TS]

01:01:12   she thinks like convention and visitors [TS]

01:01:14   bureau right where you get all this big [TS]

01:01:16   hit of like 5,000 people going to come [TS]

01:01:19   stay at all these hotels and stuff like [TS]

01:01:20   that but i'm guessing i mean your sports [TS]

01:01:23   teams do pretty well right [TS]

01:01:24   oh let me see our sports teams [TS]

01:01:28   I just want a you guys want to make [TS]

01:01:31   things less yeah there was a big Super [TS]

01:01:32   Bowl that we want okay sorry sorry i'm [TS]

01:01:35   sorry i was then and see this is the [TS]

01:01:37   problem one of the teams that we that we [TS]

01:01:39   massacred that we really just destroyed [TS]

01:01:43   humiliated in fact yes so that the city [TS]

01:01:46   that that team hails from has to spend [TS]

01:01:49   than the next year just reflects in San [TS]

01:01:52   Francisco inferiority yeah that's really [TS]

01:01:56   sad now that's really rough i said i [TS]

01:02:00   prize at an all-time low now that I've [TS]

01:02:02   learned we lost the Super Bowl there [TS]

01:02:03   there are a couple of people I think [TS]

01:02:05   that listen to the show even play that [TS]

01:02:07   game to see how we can go without [TS]

01:02:08   learning who won the superbowl no no [TS]

01:02:11   couple people who listen to the show who [TS]

01:02:12   are right now so mad at me that i have [TS]

01:02:15   reminded them all the time and [TS]

01:02:18   podcasting on [TS]

01:02:20   so anyway but that shouldn't you know [TS]

01:02:22   the thing is it is fascinating to think [TS]

01:02:23   about because you know in my head you go [TS]

01:02:25   like Seattle let's take our time let's [TS]

01:02:27   take our you know we think about why you [TS]

01:02:30   bring a convention to a town I bet [TS]

01:02:32   there's OS been felt like an iceberg [TS]

01:02:34   where we only see the top 10% or [TS]

01:02:36   whatever it's really so many different [TS]

01:02:37   dealings and things that go into why [TS]

01:02:39   somebody ends up in Las Vegas vs. New [TS]

01:02:41   York vs. philadelphia or wherever but if [TS]

01:02:44   you have to like socialize it with your [TS]

01:02:45   group and go hey you know we could do [TS]

01:02:48   this in Seattle right and their sports [TS]

01:02:50   ball team won the superbowl like we [TS]

01:02:52   should go there and they'd be like yeah [TS]

01:02:54   we could totally catch a new ball game [TS]

01:02:56   that will show their will see some new [TS]

01:02:58   ball was gonna throw the fish being dead [TS]

01:03:01   serious emotional bond serious way [TS]

01:03:03   well yeah or you may go yeah Seattle [TS]

01:03:05   that's where the music came from in the [TS]

01:03:06   black hole sun and whatnot but like [TS]

01:03:08   that'd be great for banned by the way [TS]

01:03:09   sons the buckle sons sis [TS]

01:03:12   hello captured that somebody write this [TS]

01:03:15   down [TS]

01:03:16   Wow well I don't know our all I heard [TS]

01:03:21   did you just recently mentioned that [TS]

01:03:24   song that Jenna to the the UH RIT [TS]

01:03:30   mention that song recently what's called [TS]

01:03:31   was the first hit for saving time [TS]

01:03:34   no you don't have to go home but you [TS]

01:03:40   can't stay here know that [TS]

01:03:47   and that that though that was going on [TS]

01:03:49   the band's sound with the sound was the [TS]

01:03:51   first week it first Soundgarden big hit [TS]

01:03:54   well you're talking to somebody from [TS]

01:03:55   Seattle i'm going to say that's very [TS]

01:03:56   different thing this week the onions [TS]

01:03:58   time studying damn you John Rex with [TS]

01:04:00   them somebody asked you an interview [TS]

01:04:01   like what you think of when you think of [TS]

01:04:03   Seattle music and you pull this song [TS]

01:04:04   straight out what's the one sherman [TS]

01:04:05   brothers are you know you know the one I [TS]

01:04:08   mean uh first began from me or I'll so [TS]

01:04:13   frustrating was it not shine shine no [TS]

01:04:17   more than an outright that's what this [TS]

01:04:20   web the first one didn't make a single [TS]

01:04:22   rock star [TS]

01:04:24   hey yeah i'm missing all the garden and [TS]

01:04:29   looking narrow was it [TS]

01:04:33   Macarena its sister and it got wiring [TS]

01:04:37   and others daddy as that guy you know [TS]

01:04:41   that guy right at you know that guy [TS]

01:04:43   yeah people think about Soundgarden the [TS]

01:04:49   lines across your face i drawn with hate [TS]

01:04:51   um it's got that it's got to be riff oh [TS]

01:04:57   you know how and all this out [TS]

01:04:59   that's that is how good you could do the [TS]

01:05:05   general down that was not their first [TS]

01:05:08   big hit those later but since this from [TS]

01:05:11   their bad motor or finger or album right [TS]

01:05:13   who have really derail myself we got [TS]

01:05:16   away from cops we got away from your [TS]

01:05:18   balls anyway like if you said older but [TS]

01:05:27   the thing is though you get 15 of these [TS]

01:05:29   people in a room and go hey should we do [TS]

01:05:31   it in Seattle like one of them's gonna [TS]

01:05:33   go hell yeah man yasan and everybody [TS]

01:05:35   else is going to be like no over ball [TS]

01:05:37   like they've gotta be you know what i [TS]

01:05:38   mean that's like that's well you think [TS]

01:05:40   about that 50,000 people all like 50,000 [TS]

01:05:43   people / 4 because they come in car [TS]

01:05:45   you're doing well you like capacity [TS]

01:05:47   every week probably 25 35 dollars per [TS]

01:05:50   car to park and then everybody gets a [TS]

01:05:54   wiener dog paddle [TS]

01:05:56   horn everybody gets a kettle corn [TS]

01:05:58   there's people drinking beers [TS]

01:06:00   there's all the jerseys they're selling [TS]

01:06:02   its massive massive money wave every [TS]

01:06:06   time one of these voltages planes I just [TS]

01:06:08   confuse pretty noose without shined yeah [TS]

01:06:11   pretty nice i just did that did i'm so [TS]

01:06:13   excited that Britain news is a pretty [TS]

01:06:16   angry right yeah that was you know that [TS]

01:06:20   the the ben shephard base era I have to [TS]

01:06:24   say when they really turned him loose on [TS]

01:06:25   his bass guitar [TS]

01:06:27   yeah uh that there are some very [TS]

01:06:30   powerful bass riffs so I was thinking of [TS]

01:06:32   was outside so you got thirty-five [TS]

01:06:34   dollars worth of kettle corn five people [TS]

01:06:35   in a pot that all arriving first sports [TS]

01:06:37   a new ball that's right a lot of them [TS]

01:06:39   are staying in hotels probably probably [TS]

01:06:42   the 5,000 people that came for the [TS]

01:06:44   advertising the advertising revenue I [TS]

01:06:47   script it's crazy and then all the [TS]

01:06:50   kickbacks elementary all the paper a guy [TS]

01:06:54   i saw this i saw this is the detail the [TS]

01:06:57   other day a in association with the fact [TS]

01:07:00   that mick jagger's longtime girlfriend [TS]

01:07:02   just recently committed to this sad it [TS]

01:07:05   was a really tragic and she's telling [TS]

01:07:07   you she's tall lady and and and that [TS]

01:07:10   alone made me like have a have a new [TS]

01:07:13   respect for Mick Jagger I you notice [TS]

01:07:15   that when guys get to be a certain [TS]

01:07:16   amount of rich and famous they like [TS]

01:07:20   these small people small guys they no [TS]

01:07:23   longer are self-conscious about their [TS]

01:07:24   height and they're dating women who are [TS]

01:07:26   like a foot and a half taller than they [TS]

01:07:27   are like I kind of admire that it's like [TS]

01:07:29   wow okay well sure why wouldn't you like [TS]

01:07:32   this girl is amazing and also super tall [TS]

01:07:35   and that's its own mean about the [TS]

01:07:38   pictures of them standing next to each [TS]

01:07:39   other where she is my kind of leaning [TS]

01:07:41   down like fetish porn it's like giant s [TS]

01:07:43   porn crazy she's super she's 64 in bare [TS]

01:07:47   feet crazy but one of the side details [TS]

01:07:53   in all of that tragic a reporting and i [TS]

01:07:57   really i really was astonished that he [TS]

01:07:59   was you [TS]

01:08:01   it seemed that their relationship was [TS]

01:08:02   real and he was very seemed really taken [TS]

01:08:04   back to have [TS]

01:08:05   stated by the yeah but one of the very [TS]

01:08:07   side minut side details was that Mick [TS]

01:08:11   Jagger was worth 200 million dollars i [TS]

01:08:13   saw this note notated because in our in [TS]

01:08:18   our culture now you have to you have to [TS]

01:08:21   append to every mention of somebody [TS]

01:08:24   famous their age also how much they're [TS]

01:08:27   worth a hundred percent yes [TS]

01:08:28   Mick Jagger age 64 estimated estimate [TS]

01:08:32   has waited with 200 million dollars yeah [TS]

01:08:34   and you can see in my head yeah that [TS]

01:08:36   that little detail the only reason it's [TS]

01:08:39   stuck out was I had just an hour before [TS]

01:08:42   i read an article that said that an Andy [TS]

01:08:46   Warhol lithograph of some kind had [TS]

01:08:50   recently sold at sotheby's 425 million [TS]

01:08:54   dollars something that's so weird when [TS]

01:08:58   you have next to each other like that [TS]

01:09:00   yeah and so that that's exactly right i [TS]

01:09:02   know but probably made em pop within [TS]

01:09:05   five years each other [TS]

01:09:06   I mean that career of the rolling stones [TS]

01:09:08   and I and andy warhol yeah so yeah when [TS]

01:09:13   I read the sotheby's story and it was [TS]

01:09:16   talking about like oh wow we got more [TS]

01:09:18   than a hundred million dollars for this [TS]

01:09:20   Andy Warhol thing it's sort of passed by [TS]

01:09:23   unremarkably in my imagination like oh [TS]

01:09:26   sure I guess I mean maybe I'm surprised [TS]

01:09:28   it's not more or whatever or a hundred [TS]

01:09:32   million dollars i wish i had bought an [TS]

01:09:34   Andy Warhol when they were only 1 [TS]

01:09:36   million dollars but it kind of just was [TS]

01:09:40   like so art is priced x and so I guess [TS]

01:09:44   there are lots and lots and lots of [TS]

01:09:46   people who have so much money that a [TS]

01:09:50   hundred million dollars for a painting [TS]

01:09:52   feels like I mean clearly paintings like [TS]

01:09:56   that are being bought for investment [TS]

01:09:59   purposes yeah like institutions stuff [TS]

01:10:01   but I mean no Rob I think I think I [TS]

01:10:03   think the real buyers of that stuff are [TS]

01:10:05   these billionaire software people & [TS]

01:10:09   finance ears and Russian oligarchs who [TS]

01:10:13   are buying that material as a form of [TS]

01:10:16   one-upsmanship for one another [TS]

01:10:17   like I can't imagine an institution [TS]

01:10:21   buying that Andy Warhol painting and [TS]

01:10:23   justifying it to anybody for a hundred [TS]

01:10:25   million dollars in his place Benevolent [TS]

01:10:28   Association exactly yeah the little bit [TS]

01:10:32   that a new wall secret policeman's other [TS]

01:10:35   art collection takes other balls but [TS]

01:10:37   then is but then I read this this this [TS]

01:10:40   like completely sort of specious [TS]

01:10:43   reference to Mick Jagger's wealth and [TS]

01:10:45   then realized like oh 200 million [TS]

01:10:48   dollars is less than the current lotto [TS]

01:10:54   ah only you [TS]

01:10:57   the mega ball your office that's just [TS]

01:11:00   right there [TS]

01:11:00   the mega ball is 400 million dollar and [TS]

01:11:04   Mick Jagger stands atop a mountain in my [TS]

01:11:09   mind with few others as a as a person [TS]

01:11:15   who like made his mark on the culture is [TS]

01:11:21   very important to me and he also feels [TS]

01:11:25   like unassailably unreachable e rich and [TS]

01:11:30   successful even accounting for what [TS]

01:11:32   happened in the early seventies even [TS]

01:11:35   accounting because I'm all basically [TS]

01:11:36   their career started over in like [TS]

01:11:38   nineteen seventy-three right with what [TS]

01:11:40   ya their money was going to had only [TS]

01:11:41   remind all no rights no money no [TS]

01:11:43   anything and even accounting for their [TS]

01:11:46   like Mick Jagger's abysmal performance [TS]

01:11:49   in that in that documentary about oh [TS]

01:11:55   yeah about the rock concert there in San [TS]

01:11:58   Francisco the speedway them [TS]

01:12:01   montini rd and ultimate altamonte [TS]

01:12:03   sympathy for the devil wanting yards [TS]

01:12:05   including arts people of Vietnam bista [TS]

01:12:08   uh yeah right [TS]

01:12:10   uh he was terrible in that movie and it [TS]

01:12:12   made me and maybe let's do another take [TS]

01:12:14   baby red do another take me for [TS]

01:12:17   everything is becoming shattered should [TS]

01:12:19   do be up there we'll get along [TS]

01:12:24   hey hey man chill out [TS]

01:12:27   stabs dabs dab think about the number of [TS]

01:12:30   2015 about how many 24 year olds in the [TS]

01:12:32   bay area right now have two hundred [TS]

01:12:34   million dollars now I don't want to [TS]

01:12:38   either [TS]

01:12:39   I don't want to get involved I want to [TS]

01:12:41   get I want to rent a convention center [TS]

01:12:44   and get all those 24 year olds in a room [TS]

01:12:46   and had lecture them for a year [TS]

01:12:51   no like i want to have that power I want [TS]

01:12:54   to sit them down i want to i want to [TS]

01:12:56   show them powerpoint demonstration after [TS]

01:12:58   powerpoint demonstration was set to it [TS]

01:13:00   the tall lady who died [TS]

01:13:02   what does this have to do with just this [TS]

01:13:04   is how you get the 200 million dollar [TS]

01:13:05   mark 200 million dollars sorry [TS]

01:13:07   yeah I there are so many people now with [TS]

01:13:11   two hundred million dollars who don't [TS]

01:13:13   deserve it you haven't earned its 200 [TS]

01:13:16   million dollars has become and honestly [TS]

01:13:18   i can say that without fear of [TS]

01:13:20   contradiction have not earned it the [TS]

01:13:23   fact that they wrote flappy bird app or [TS]

01:13:26   you know worth it's where the fourth [TS]

01:13:29   tell you everything I want to hear more [TS]

01:13:31   more things you know about the diplomat [TS]

01:13:33   the fourth they were the fourth employee [TS]

01:13:36   of the fuckin toilet brush app or [TS]

01:13:40   whatever and now there were two hundred [TS]

01:13:41   million dollars [TS]

01:13:42   fuck them and fuck this fuck is [TS]

01:13:44   capitalism that makes this real [TS]

01:13:47   yes fuck it fuck it fuck it fuck it its [TS]

01:13:50   there's something seriously immoral [TS]

01:13:52   about it i don't believe it [TS]

01:13:54   I don't believe in it and somebody [TS]

01:13:57   should be arrested [TS]

01:13:58   yes it should be somebody i think after [TS]

01:14:02   a week or police academy of the one over [TS]

01:14:05   by the library where it's going to be I [TS]

01:14:07   think this should we should maybe kind [TS]

01:14:10   of let you know this is coming but [TS]

01:14:11   nothing you definitely an announcement [TS]

01:14:13   about it but I think as the week's go by [TS]

01:14:16   your training [TS]

01:14:17   it's easy enough to get in you get into [TS]

01:14:20   the building your father to the police [TS]

01:14:21   had a day five days a week six days a [TS]

01:14:23   week whatever it is that the doors are [TS]

01:14:24   open to leave the building you have to [TS]

01:14:26   solve a crime or maybe help someone like [TS]

01:14:29   you're not allowed to go home until [TS]

01:14:31   you've helped somebody like two random [TS]

01:14:33   days a week [TS]

01:14:34   you gotta go change a tire or you might [TS]

01:14:36   have to solve Alec a deadly [TS]

01:14:38   murder-suicide [TS]

01:14:39   which ATM alright it's a little bit of [TS]

01:14:42   okay it's a little bit of like a [TS]

01:14:43   scouting thing right can't just you have [TS]

01:14:46   to you have to tie some knots or you [TS]

01:14:47   have to help us across the street or you [TS]

01:14:50   have to use your cheap and totes cool [TS]

01:14:52   criminal justice meet snipe hunting [TS]

01:14:55   guess I i feel you tried to I feel you [TS]

01:14:59   trying to direct my attention away from [TS]

01:15:01   the government of many 604 just about to [TS]

01:15:05   solve the capitalism we were just about [TS]

01:15:08   to put hundreds of strangers in a room [TS]

01:15:10   and do something terrible to them [TS]

01:15:12   because it made a lot of money [TS]

01:15:14   yes terrible terrible no been listening [TS]

01:15:16   to my lecture isn't terrible looks [TS]

01:15:18   listening and figured that was just the [TS]

01:15:19   opening act [TS]

01:15:20   haha I is an abattoir may be fighting [TS]

01:15:23   shortlist with garbage click that's [TS]

01:15:25   thought you would be the keynote speaker [TS]

01:15:28   i would be the I just be softening them [TS]

01:15:32   up and then you would you would come in [TS]

01:15:34   and sweep up the right attention then [TS]

01:15:36   encourage them to each other that's with [TS]

01:15:38   nails in them all right break at the top [TS]

01:15:43   5 video games and made them real flappy [TS]

01:15:45   bird vs toilet brush [TS]

01:15:48   you have to delete out of la la oh my [TS]

01:15:51   god ZZTop played here in Seattle last [TS]

01:15:53   night and I didn't go my gosh I'm kind [TS]

01:15:55   of surprised i'm a little bit surprised [TS]

01:15:57   too but it's one of the CCM life before [TS]

01:16:01   me another one of your favorites i have [TS]

01:16:03   seen them lives and I was the first time [TS]

01:16:07   I saw them live [TS]

01:16:08   I got kicked out of the concert halfway [TS]

01:16:10   through because some security ape saw me [TS]

01:16:16   drinking a bottle of peach schnapps [TS]

01:16:19   and they booted me out and I was about [TS]

01:16:22   was really upset i was like take the [TS]

01:16:24   schnapps there are people around me [TS]

01:16:26   smoking pot like I just brought some [TS]

01:16:28   snacks with his society there's levels [TS]

01:16:30   to deescalate you don't just throw me [TS]

01:16:31   out you take the schnapps amazing a [TS]

01:16:33   warning shot [TS]

01:16:34   that's right they grabbed me and they [TS]

01:16:35   threw me out into the rain so that made [TS]

01:16:38   me mad [TS]

01:16:39   particularly since it wasn't even like [TS]

01:16:40   it's not like I was drinking southern [TS]

01:16:42   comfort i was drinking peach schnapps I [TS]

01:16:44   don't even know what the fuck everything [TS]

01:16:45   you might have just been off-brand know [TS]

01:16:48   is that it was the era and then the [TS]

01:16:51   second time i saw him it was like a [TS]

01:16:53   county fair and Billy Gibbons had that [TS]

01:16:56   thing I've seen Tom Petty have this [TS]

01:16:58   problem to which is that they get to be [TS]

01:17:00   a certain age and they're they're very [TS]

01:17:04   skinny men tom petty is very skinny only [TS]

01:17:09   given is also not not fat skin which is [TS]

01:17:14   a scrawny there's exclusive kind of [TS]

01:17:17   screening this but what what what I saw [TS]

01:17:20   in both of these cases and this is maybe [TS]

01:17:22   one of the problems with standing [TS]

01:17:24   backstage is that their show costume is [TS]

01:17:31   not made out of regular clothes [TS]

01:17:35   by which I mean to say that when they [TS]

01:17:39   take this when they say thanks greater [TS]

01:17:41   fox6 no but they are causing you [TS]

01:17:44   yeah they're wearing like their show [TS]

01:17:46   pants and their show pants are made to [TS]

01:17:52   look good from 50 feet away but really [TS]

01:17:59   they have elastic waistbands like they [TS]

01:18:03   are sweatpants that there's nothing [TS]

01:18:06   along Dave RV driving out of yeah [TS]

01:18:09   there's my parents that have been [TS]

01:18:10   tailored is like mike mills pants these [TS]

01:18:12   are like spangly i'm a rockstar pants [TS]

01:18:14   but with a comfy elastic waist [TS]

01:18:17   yeah i mean they're like they're like [TS]

01:18:18   black pants that are made to look like [TS]

01:18:21   they are stovepipe cowboy pants like gun [TS]

01:18:27   gunslinger pain a little bit stage [TS]

01:18:29   presence with a little yeah they got a [TS]

01:18:31   little stage stiffness [TS]

01:18:33   but when you see them up close and from [TS]

01:18:35   behind you realize oh these are like [TS]

01:18:38   these are comfort waist pants and [TS]

01:18:42   because all because everybody now is [TS]

01:18:45   wearing in-ear remote radio monitors or [TS]

01:18:49   whatever everybody's got a little box a [TS]

01:18:52   little like a radio receiver on their [TS]

01:18:55   belt loop and that tends to pull down [TS]

01:18:58   the elastic know so you get a little [TS]

01:19:02   glimpse of the small of tom petty's back [TS]

01:19:05   or the small of Billy Gibbons is back [TS]

01:19:09   and it's just and this small of their [TS]

01:19:12   scrawny little back is like covered with [TS]

01:19:15   a little tangle of white-ass hair and it [TS]

01:19:27   just feels like nobody was you're gonna [TS]

01:19:29   see really give us [TS]

01:19:31   I don't I never wanted to see it [TS]