Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hi John who is it who's me at [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► hello hello faddah have sex but soaked [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► candygram for Mongo candygram for Mongo [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► I'm Merlin by John uh-huh [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► he's not awake yeah well I am awake i [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► woke up a while back and been busy doing [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► important high-level work here [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► no you're going to high-level today I'm [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► adjusting well you know i'm working at a [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► high level and the work I'm doing is [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► high-level work [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► wow that is a good monday yes it is [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► yes i'm hosting a show tonight which is [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► in the family of shows where i guess [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► that i mean i think when they pitch the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► show to me they were like oh you don't [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► have to do any work you have to do [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► anything justjust to be up onstage and [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► and you know host whatever that is I [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► don't even know who they are but I'm [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► just gonna tell you they always say that [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► yeah but you know it seems like if [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► that's what they say [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► then I'm just gonna go to go on on their [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► say-so and could just show up but you're [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► gonna have to dress and get there and it [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► will probably remember things [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► mhm don't tell you that i do have to [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► remember a few things i do have to tell [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► you and MC yeah i think you know when I [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► was in high school I couldn't think of a [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► better job than MC like that seemed to [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► me to be the absolute pinnacle if you [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► had achieved everything in life you were [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► asked to be the MC [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► mhm because the MC is not the talent [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► he's not the is not the rookeries not [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► that he doesn't own the club AMC shows [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► up in a tuxedo he leaves in a tuxedo [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► but he's there he's at the center of [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► everything I really believed that MC was [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► the greatest job and as I got older and [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► put away childish things [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► mm I started to realize that MC is not [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► the greatest job i think it can be a [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► really good job first of all I know from [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► mutual friends of ours that it can be [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► weirdly lucrative given me once you get [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► good at it like given the amount of work [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► you actually have to do in terms of [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► preparation but you gotta do what you [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► gotta be careful for the first of all I [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► agree with you I think being an MC is is [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► awesome and I think it's more pressure [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► than most people realize [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► yeah because you have to be at least [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► familiar enough the pill go ladies and [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► gentlemen your master of ceremony is [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► draw in like yeah right there who all [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► right so they gotta know who you are but [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► then also you got to be careful i have a [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► friend who he got roped into it like [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► being like organizing the benefit for [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► his kids school and I think it was [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► presented to him is our friend we were [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► talking about that yesterday but you [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► know and they're like hey you're funny [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► you know funny people can you do this [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► benefit and of course nested in that job [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► on the one hand at the AMC job of like [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► show up [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► read something off a card and riff if [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► you have to fill time right and seem [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► enthusiastic about everything that [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► happens and then have a pithy remarks [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► about what just happened [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► that's kind of being an MC right yeah [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► yeah that sounds right about right but [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► have you know but as usual in in [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► everything including entertainment [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► there's a lot nested in that that [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► basically came down to like can you put [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► together a show [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► yes right things right get your get your [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► bigshot celebrity TV friends to come and [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► do this [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► yeah and it ends up being eight giant [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► unpaid project for people who are not [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► used to doing that kind of work you have [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► the the Big Show's I've MC the big [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► benefit shows that I'm emceed all fall [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► into the category as I've as I have [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► outlined elsewhere of that phenomenon [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► where the the people that put on 250 [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► shows a year send you one email and it [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► has all the information you need about [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the show the people who put on One Show [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► a year said you 200 [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► 50 emails and not a single one of them [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► has any information it's usable and so I [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► have emceed some big show some big [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► benefit galas for some worthwhile [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► organizations but but they end up being [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► such a clusterfuck of of too many piano [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► too many stage managers too many ideas [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► you know that i showed up I showed up to [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► one and they handed me a script that [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► they had written when I was old [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► yeah and I was like wow I would have [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► liked to have seen this yesterday [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► this is a full script this isn't just [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► like somehow this isn't an outline this [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► is like a full script so basically what [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► you have asked me to do is stand up on [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► stage and read this from this paper [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► because i have i have an hour and not in [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► your words [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► oh no you know just like Hello ladies [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► and germs and speaking and speaking of [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► troublesome plumbing problems you know [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► but tonight I think they are hiring [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► event tonight they have hired me to be [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► me which is a good that's a good gig but [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► you get that too often you can start [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► getting after it are getting hired to be [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► able to you know like to a certainty [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► like which you they think they're [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► getting well that's the thing i've done [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► a pretty pretty a work worthwhile job of [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► calibrating the people's idea of the [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► fake me you know like there's there's [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► there's a pretty good fake me out there [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that everybody thinks is the real me and [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► so when somebody when somebody hires me [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► to be me [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► I assume they mean fake me uh-huh that I [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► have been carefully crafted fake me and [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► I show up as fake me if they think that [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► their iron me this section here about [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► the children tap-dancing can we switch [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► that out for about two-and-a-half hours [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► of me talking about united airlines [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► they're the people who who really are [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► hiring me and one actual mean I don't I [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► chooses there's not enough money in the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► it reminds me a little bit of I haven't [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► had a whole lot of experience with you [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► know programming and development stuff [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► but certainly enough over the period [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► that I was doing it to know that they [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► are similar in one way which is people [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► have a really good idea in their head of [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► what the finished product looks like you [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► like you know an iOS app like a good i [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► OS app looks like you know how to really [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► well but you know like what a good stage [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► show looks like but you absolutely no [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► idea what goes into making that thing [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► oh right right no you don't want to see [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► this one through this we made your [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► website you you haven't really well and [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► you participated very aggressively in [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► handsomely and you and Sean both wrote a [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► lot of stuff you understood that it was [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► going to be I think if one thing one [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► small success i had with that site was [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► getting you understand that the Site was [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► going to be as good as what you [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► personally put into it otherwise it [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► would be just another bunch of files on [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► the internet and I think that actually [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► turned out really well I'm proud of that [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► site but you know when you go into [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► something like like this like you say [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► somebody who does it somebody if you [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► work with someone who's like you know a [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► production of producer type person you [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► something actually like deals with [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► people all the time knows what happens [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► knows what for knows what questions [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► people ask for used to afford me an [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► email you got it recently that was I [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► mean it was it was like it was like [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► heart of darkness [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► it was really really really long it was [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► kind of hard to tease out exactly the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► information that they should have known [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► that you would want out of it [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► yeah well it's like that first time I [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► went to South by Southwest and I thought [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► though we were but we got done with our [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► our show and there was this huge crowd [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► of people standing right at the foot of [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► the stage like I'm trying to load my amp [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► off the stage and they're all these [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► people like waving their business cards [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► at me and I was thinking this is it I've [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► hit I like I'm just going to plug these [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► business cards and they're all going to [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► say [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► sony BMG and/or you know half of them [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► are probably going to be cashier's [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► checks this is like Obama at the [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► democratic convention in many years ago [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► that's right this is what your moment [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► this is here John's I have a dream [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► speech that's right this was a [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► career-making turn your first time at [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► South by back when south by really man [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► nerd and this was going to be the moment [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► and I and so I get off the stage and I'm [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► like Hello [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► nice to meet you all you know i'm i'm [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► like taking my time with each person I'm [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► looking at their business cards and [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► little by little it starts to dawn on me [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► after a half an hour that every one of [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► these business cards is like billion [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► francs record label out of Mobile [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► Alabama you can see the perforation [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► something car engine and you know and [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► that realization that like oh they came [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► to South by Southwest looking for the [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► band that was going to make their record [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► label viable not this isn't a moment [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► where I am you know where actual suits [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► are here to give me opportunities this [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► is like but it but it looks close enough [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► to that huh that I i see how people get [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► to see how people get rooked into [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► business relationships all the time [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► where it's like oh wait no you are gonna [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► help me right and I so I get emails like [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► that all the time where it's like we [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► would love to give you a big show and I [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► go okay well what's the deal and they're [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► like we'll all we need you to do is [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► promoted and devised it and sell it and [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► be the man of it and tell us how to do [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► it and also find the money for it and [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► just like you are not offering me [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► anything it's not like it's gonna get [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► going up to somebody and it love your [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► elevator pitch being i would like to [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► why would she would give me the honor of [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► letting me take you out to a really [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► really fancy dinner [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► that's kind of what the pitch feels [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► thanks but then you realize they don't [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► know how to cook [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► it's really that basically they want you [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► to have them over for dinner but never [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► been to a restaurant before you don't [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► know what happened is now now i know it [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► happens all the time now I feel like [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► that in my family [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► historiography there is at the core of [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► my father's family there is a similar [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► situation where like my grandmother was [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► my grandmother's family was an old [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► Seattle family that didn't have any [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► money they were the White Russians of [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► Seattle [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► all their friends were rich they lived [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► in a big house in the right neighborhood [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► but they didn't but they were uh how do [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► you say not rich and a grand [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► great-grandfather was a judge you know [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► that I think they they they said they [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► seem successful [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► yeah they they had prominence without [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► any money and I think it's looking at [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► myself and my father's family it is [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► because no one had any business acumen [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► but they raised their daughter to be a [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► real catch for a prince and she was an [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► opera singer and she had toured Europe [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► before the war and she was you know [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► cultured and elegant and all these [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► things and in world war one she went to [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► Europe to sing for the soldiers in the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► trenches back when soldiers in the [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► trenches wanted to hear opera and in [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► between because the way that war was [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► fought they would then she would sing [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► for the soldiers up by the front and [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► then they would drive her back to Paris [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► and wine and dine you know for a week or [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► two and then go back up and sing for the [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► soldiers again it was not there was not [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► a tremendous amount of hardship but she [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► was being squired around by generals and [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► you know she wrote a book called a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► nightingale in the trenches which is [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► which is a terrible book [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► but it tells these fascinating stories [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► about like oh well and here comes John [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► Pershing in the back in the back of an [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► open car and they they go off together [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► to you know to the Moulin Rouge and [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► plates etc you know it's all very [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► glamorous but then she meets my [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► grandfather David Roderick senior who is [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► the son of a Welsh immigrant coal miner [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► and who had been raised to succeed in [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► America to banish all the the ugliness [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► of being immigrants and so he had [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► memorized Shakespeare and he had [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► memorized all the you know he'd [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► memorized Whitman and he was a cultured [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► he could quote that length from the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► Bible and he spoke with a haughty manner [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► and was a young lieutenant and he'd made [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► up a backstory for himself that he was [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► descended from scottish kings and their [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► family still thought it was Scottish [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that's when we still thought we were [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► Scottish he knew he wasn't Scottish but [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► he was the one that started this this [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► alignable anyway they meet they meet in [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► world war one in the glamorous heady [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► days at the end of the war when the you [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► know the far-off cannon fire and yet [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► they are drinking champagne here at the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► in the rearward area and each one of [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► them was actually they're totally full [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► of shit like Miss representing [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► themselves as a member of America's [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► aspirational class they were each one [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► teach one knowing who they are thought [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► they were getting a catch [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► that's right they were people at [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► Gatsby's party and they saw one another [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► across a crowded dance floor and i'm [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► sure you know either one of them could [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► have used their line you know what what [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► they're carefully crafted line [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► they could have used that to to meet and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► marry someone who had money who was [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► perhaps culturally impoverished but [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► maybe the heir to the singer sewing [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► machine family fortune or maybe the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► heiress of the you know the like my [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► grandmother's brother did marry the [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► heiress of the buster brown shoe fortune [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► but that money never made it to me in [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► any case it wasn't until they were [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► married and back in the states that they [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► finally realized that they had could [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► wing to one another with their Bologna [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► at the exact same moment but it said I'm [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► gonna need a little money this month [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► yeah they're like oh what but and here's [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the real tragedy here is the American [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► tragedy they were in love and so it was [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► unthinkable to them that they would not [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► that they would separate for such course [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► reasons as that they were but their [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► entire mutually fraudulent yeah their [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► entire founding myth was was a was a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► blatant lie [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► and so here we are that's ok sorry [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► ancestry they just they just shot the [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► lie down the pipeline they were like [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► let's just keep telling this lie on both [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► sides and just you know raise their kids [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► to believe that their kids were [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► descended from the Scottish Lords and [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► that there was money waiting in a trunk [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► is this day when you find yourself [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► looking up in the trees wondering could [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► there be a bag of money hanging there [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► I do I go I i go it's your birthright is [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► there a trunk in the Attic somewhere [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that I haven't seen it's gotta be a [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► false bottom here somewhere that's right [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► i'm looking for the false bottom [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► everywhere I go I'm not knocking looking [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► for the hollow space in the what is such [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► an American story though it really is a [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► sweet story it's a very American story [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► because there is an element of fake it [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► till you make it in america i mean look [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► at how many people anglicized their [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► names when they come here [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► it really is such as a chef such a [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► chance for a fresh start and you get one [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► good suit [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► you know a haircut and I feel like if [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► either one of them had this mysterious [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► talent which is business acumen like [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► they had all the opportunity in the [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► world and they have this backstory if if [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► only a little business acumen had [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► entered the picture and they had [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► succeeded then the the success in [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► America validates the the bullshit story [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► in so many families so that all of a [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► sudden [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► well that's why everybody in America is [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► descended from robert e lee that's why [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► everybody you know like everybody in [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► America has a great you know has some [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► some part of their family story that [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► where they arrived on the Mayflower and [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► it's all baloney but it but at some [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► point somebody had success and then [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► their version of the story was accepted [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► and what's funny about my family is that [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► half of my half of my relatives have [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► actually become successful they have [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► married well and you would if you if [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► they were sitting here right now their [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► version of my grandmother and [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► grandfather story would be very [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► different from mine because they will [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► they not only do they accept the kind of [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► a geography but like its kind of crucial [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► its kind of crucial to their own [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► identity that some of those stories be [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► true [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► yeah well I think it's really i'm [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► thinking about my own family and people [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► I've known and it's you know it's like [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► everybody anything for a long time it's [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► been critical to maintain the family [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► secrets [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► I mean for some reason I can't help [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► thinking of like William Faulkner and [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► like you know and learning these [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► different sides of the story and [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► learning what really happened and you [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► know sometimes that shared familial lie [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► is can can be like a great bond em don't [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► you think [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► hell yes well I don't you know [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► I at the beginning of the grunge years I [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► remember being here in Seattle kind of [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► walking around the bars and the times in [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► the towns and listening to people tell [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► their family story in their backstory [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► and realizing that i was in a new world [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► because in the grunge ears every kid was [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► telling a story about how his family was [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► garbage like the fashion at the time was [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► to say I'm white trash [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► I'm descended from losers I I don't have [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► never had anything I've ever had to [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► raise myself and maybe my sibling since [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► I was young I've always been independent [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► that's right and it was part of that you [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► know in 1991 like in 1986 every town had [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► a a small handful of punk rockers who [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► you know who who smoked clove cigarettes [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► under the under the statue in the town [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► square and they were you know they [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► unless you lived in a fuse and a few [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► rare environments like you know [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► somewhere in southern california and [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► washington DC New York I mean there was [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► there was not if you were growing up in [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► hiawatha in the early eighties like [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► anywhere punk rocker you were you want a [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► very small little group of people but by [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► 1991 1992 every single person our age [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► had some story about themselves that [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► they had been punked that whole time and [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► part of that story was that they were [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► they had been abused they'd raise [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► themselves they had they had nothing [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► nowhere to fall back [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► it was they were from you know they were [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► from this garbage strain of American [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► nobody's and all you have to do is go [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► look at their high school yearbook and [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► you realize oh no that's not true at all [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► like your pictures in the yearbook but [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► yet you like showed up for school [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► yeah that's the first sign that you're [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► not a garbage person whatever I think [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the garbage person is but I mean [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► I heard the word white or the phrase [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► white trash so much in ninety-three [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► ninety-five like it [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► everybody was claiming to be it in [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► Seattle especially and up until that [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► point it had never occurred to me that [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► anybody would have a a backstory that [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► didn't include some at some point that [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► you had come over on the Mayflower [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► because you know because my family was [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► so invested in this in in that what was [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► effectively a dying version of american [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► middle class social aspiration my my [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► cousins were still worried about getting [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► into the Daughters of the American [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► Revolution and having enough [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► documentation to prove that they could [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► be members and all of a sudden around me [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► all my peers were like my dad's in [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► prison and I'm you know my mom was a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► whore like wait a minute your dad worked [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► for hewlett-packard and your beer mom uh [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► you know has only had sex with two [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► people in her whole life like what are [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► you talking about it was it was just as [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► much Bologna but but but the the [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► aspiration had had flipped entirely i [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► still see that I mean you know I still [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► see that a lot in my generation you [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► don't see it in the kids but people [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► you're in my age if you if you sit down [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► and hear their family story you still [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► here a lot of you still hear them [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► struggling to took to put across this [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► this tale this like Wild West hillbilly [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► tail [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► well yeah and I mean I think part of it [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► is trying to manage expectations and [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► like set a certain bar so you know it's [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► sort of like the kid always turns paper [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► and label course it's often we do it [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► took me two minutes [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► you know like if you can create this [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► world where like you have him probably [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► succeeded against all odds and you [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► obviously are you trying to get yourself [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► the credibility of having more tenacity [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► more intestinal fortitude than the [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► people around you but also like I think [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► this happens to this day [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► I mean somewhere talking about the other [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► day too is doing this kind of like kind [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► of weird weird version of social [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► climbing the people do and could I think [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► it happens most commonly with people [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► where you try to like canoodle up to [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► somebody who's a little more famous than [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► you in order to canoodle up to the next [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► level from them and you basically get [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the you want to get the equivalent of a [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► recommendation letter of recommendation [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► from from that person but it also it [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► also the reason it reminds you of the [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► fucker stuff is like it's also like you [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► can decide which parts of your life that [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► are really maybe even eighty percent [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► true you choose to tell people about [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► yeah like I can you know I can talk [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► about like you know punk rock shows i [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► went to bed at a certain time or i could [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► talk about being like most talented [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► senior depending on what suits me [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that's right you were most talented [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► senior yeah I'll i technically i was [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► also class clown but you can only win [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► one most talented mustache [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► eighteen-year-olds I think you should [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► have won it took me like two years to [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► get that letter about that I think about [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► who this generation that's coming up and [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► particularly and I i'm not sure the [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► twitter world in the internet world that [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► I live in I'm not sure how [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► representative it is of the world at [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► large [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you're not but that the mom butt we [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► joked about this at at at our Roderick [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► on the line live shell which is the the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► idea of like if you if you were 16 years [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► old right now and you were getting us [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► the steady input of check your privilege [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► check your privilege and and the the [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► presumption being that the more [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► privileged you are the more the more [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► other people can point to you and call [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► you privileged the actual that the less [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► authority you have to speak that this [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► notion the right like you're the the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► group that you represent in my mind has [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► had more than ample opportunity to be [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► represented in the public forum right so [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► now your turn to shut up and ended feel [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► bad about it right and so authority to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► speak is becoming in the in the certain [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► segments of the world which I which I [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► don't [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► when I meet people in their early [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► twenties I don't see them as [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► overburdened they generally seem like a [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► pretty happy generation but then online [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► there's this there's this simultaneous [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► dialogue which is which is basically [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► like shut up shut up shut up like you [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► all have to shut up even though telling [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► people to shut up is bullying and bad [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► but the but the effect of the effect of [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► this check your privilege [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► firstworldproblems constant sort of wave [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► after wave of of attempts to censor [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► anybody that doesn't have like a perfect [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► backstory [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► where where where their story deserves [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► to be heard whatever I can't imagine [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► that it isn't creating a similar kind of [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► identity wave in people where they're [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► searching their family histories they're [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► searching their own stories for ways in [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► which they are victims of history or [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► victims of of oppression such that there [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► that their opinions matter or such that [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► they that they no longer have to [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► self-censor self apologize and that they [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► can that they can actually speak with [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► some Authority some Authority earned by [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► your forefathers or earned by the burned [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► by your victimization and I can't [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► imagine what what kind of tangled the [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► stories people are telling about [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► themselves in bars where it's not enough [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► anymore to just say like oh my people [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► were white trash like you have to say my [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► people were my people were also [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► brutalized by history and although i [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► might appear to be did I retired this [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► story i was at that this is so funny of [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► its recurring it's occurring to me now I [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► was in a bar and a guy six-foot-seven [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► guy with bright red hair [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► red eye lashes like red guy freckles [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► whose name was like Sheamus McKinnon he [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► and I are talking in this bar and I make [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► some reference to to being a Celt like [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► well you know at as a Celt I'm sure you [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► feel here you use something something [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► something something I don't remember [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► when i said to the guy and he stopped me [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► very serious and he said I I look [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► celtic but I'm native american and i [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► wasn't sure if he was kidding and I was [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► like tell me more [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► and he was like you know my grandmother [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► was a chop saw and my on my [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► grandfather's side you know she was he [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► was a a you know an Iroquois and so you [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► know I'm I mean I look I guess Irish if [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► thats it to you but but I'm to a breeder [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► like you [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► yeah but i'm a native american and i was [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► like wow okay all right i mean i don't [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► know i didn't press him for like what [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► percentage of top saw was your [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► grandmother I mean it's not important [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► because now all the sudden all of a [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► sudden you're like the East you like [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► star Z you right now it's not my job to [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► to like it too to do that but maybe just [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► maybe all you have to do is declare that [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► you know and and now you know it so [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► there's one part of this and this is [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► only like saying this but you know it [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► seems like there are so many Lauer [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► strong voices right now that are very [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► very angry and the part about it that I [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► think it's kind of a bummer is that [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► people people are being actively [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► encouraged to only find a strong voice [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► if they can do it to immediate out [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► immediately ally themselves with a group [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► of people there's not that there's not [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► that much encouragement that icy out [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► there to be a singular voice anymore [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► because singular being a singular voice [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► will get you like really smack down at [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► this point and I think you can [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► controversial eyes what almost anybody [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► says [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► it's like it was like you're straying [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► too far from the pack i wouldn't want to [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► stay politically correct that's that's [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► 22 over simplified but there's there's [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► so much identity politics right now that [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► I think it's becoming almost [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► irresistible for people to ally [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► themselves even if they don't if you [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► like belong with that group you can have [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► all the sympathy in the world that you [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► want for and it's certainly I mean in an [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► ideal world we would just have sympathy [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► for each other for being human beings [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► but that doesn't really count anymore [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► now you actually have to you have to [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► show your bona fides that you are you [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► are you are for all practical purposes [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► Native American there for you now have [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► your so closely allied with this that [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► you can we can get you past the [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► privilege bar that you're allowed to [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► have some kind of an opinion at this [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► point because otherwise you're just [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► you're just another part of the problem [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► yeah well I'm gonna be part of that [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► group if I feel like it's like it when [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► anybody who strays too far from the pack [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► or whose gets too far off message is [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► really kind of shouted down as being [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► part of this this you know [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► amorphis blob of the problem the one [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► percent that whatever all this other [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► this other nurse other pneus and you can [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► just find some group that will that you [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► can kind of such sidle up to that is the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► opposite of the other niggas then then [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► you're allowed to be all mad and you're [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► allowed to talk if you get off that [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► what's confusing is that if you get off [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► message for them the message being like [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the you know the whatever this the [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► perfect storm we're talking about that's [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► happening in the culture now the message [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► which is very very focused on rights on [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► on the rights denied on the elderly [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► overdue writes the the rights that are I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► mean it's at the chomsky world where the [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► where the if you get off if you get off [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► Chomsky message it doesn't matter what [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► you're saying [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► outside of that message whatever it is [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► you are on the other message right i [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► mean as soon as you get off the the [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► dialectic [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► whatever you're saying even even [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► presumably still like an innocuous [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► material you are you are you are being [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► accused of speaking on behalf of the big [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► problem you're automatically a [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► reactionary you're automatically part of [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► the the counter revolutionary movement [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► yeah i wrote I I philip seymour hoffman [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► died and and not somebody pointed out to [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► me that I had written a few years ago an [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► article about about creativity and drugs [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► and so i reposted it just saying like [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► this is a thing I wrote about rock and [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► roll about the relationship between [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► creativity and drugs and how it how [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► would have been that some of the [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► mistakes we make thinking that the two [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► are connected and I get you know I [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► people replied to me and said thank you [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► for doing that or a nice article and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► then somebody and obviously a fan a fan [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► of me and a fan enough to go retail [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► click a link and go read an article I [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► wrote wrote me and said I really liked [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► your article except for the part where [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► you said wives and girlfriends [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► contribute to the problem because that [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► implies that women can't be musicians [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► and all of this is in a tweet right and [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► what wasn't overt in the article that I [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► wrote was that i was writing it in [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► response to the plight of a female [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► musician i know in Seattle who was [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► drinking and drugging herself to death [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► and everybody in town knew it she's a [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► famous musician she was killing herself [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► with drugs and I had I had an encounter [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► with her in a bar and watched as people [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► all around her including a lot of rock [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► stars who had seen their friends die [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► they were all facilitating this drug [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► problem because everybody's too [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► embarrassed to address it [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► and also it's not cool and also oh [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► that's just how how she is how blank ins [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► whatever and so I wrote this article [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► like no don't sit and watch your friends [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► die that's not cool her drug problem and [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► her creativity are not connected your [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► drugs and creativity are not connected [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► like can we not save this person and the [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► article was obvious enough to people in [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► Seattle that I got a few phone calls [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► from also other rock musicians who were [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► like thank you for doing that we really [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► need to do something about her she's [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► gonna die etc etc and it ended up that [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► she went to rehab and his eye and his is [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► has survived but so I get this tweet [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► from this concerned reader whose like [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► I'd I like the article except for this [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► and and obviously this is a this is a [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► fan and somebody who appreciates where [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► I'm coming from right [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► she already knows what I'm on about but [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► she felt and I have no idea how old this [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► person is she could be 20 she could be [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► 50 but she felt her job as a reader was [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► to detect the two was too [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► was it her antenna were so sensitive [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► that she found this moment in the piece [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► where I said wives and girlfriends and [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► her alarm bells went off and she needed [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► to alert me to that and needed basically [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► to say I see this and you need to be [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► re-educated a third that's the word to [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► never use wives and girlfriends again [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► without also saying husbands and [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► boyfriends or without also stipulating [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► that that females can be musicians to or [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► without also you know like you didn't [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► you didn't adequately prepare [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► you did not you were not being careful [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► enough in predicting all the ways that [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► could need to be corrected for emotional [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► person and so this reader in with her [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► hyper zeroed in sensitivity failed to [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► recognize that the entire article was [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► about a female musician and that the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► degree to which I masked that was [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► because I did not want to slam for like [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► trying to shame and out that right i [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► mean writing this article for a general [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► audience all the people that know her [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► and noemi knew it was about her and knew [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► it was a a new the article was meant for [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► a for an audience of people that were [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► supposed to recognize themselves in it [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► and stop helping this woman killed [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► herself but but the so this close reader [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► failed to read the big article and [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► failed to see that it was that you know [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► that I had worked long and hard to make [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► it to to take gender out of it in order [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► to spare this person the embarrassment [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► but also even if that weren't the case [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► wives and girlfriends do facilitate the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► are a problem like wives and girlfriends [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► are problem and it and I don't need to [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► say husbands and boyfriends because the [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► husband's that our problem for female [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► rock musicians are wives basically you [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► know I mean random but suffice to say [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that that this that the idea that if you [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► are not exactly on language message that [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► you are actually actively working on [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► behalf of forces of conservatism and [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► revanche ism like to be to be off msgs [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► not to be neutral it is to be it is to [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► be immediately working on behalf of evil [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► forces [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► is is a crazy is a crazy place to be [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► it is crazy to be challenged to justify [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► the political message of every message [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► will have to show that you into show in [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► a way that is frankly most of the time [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► extremely hand fisted and not very [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► elegant and certainly not very subtle to [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► prove to everybody through three to five [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► paragraphs that you have done all of [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► your math and can show it that you have [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► that you know it's I feel like there's [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► so much pressure right now in the public [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► discourse for everything to be about [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► there's there's there's really I feel [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► like as soon as somebody starts to say [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► if I say something as simple as you know [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► what I just don't like arguing with [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► people on the internet [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► well then then if i'm not arguing with [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► somebody about what it is that they want [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► to argue about that means that i don't [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► want to agree on anything I don't you [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► want to argue about whether i agree with [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► you i just think it's unseemly and it's [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► a thing i don't like doing but by [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► choosing not to do that it makes it seem [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► like I'm a mute member of this class of [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► people who really just actively enjoy [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► seeing people put down and I will not [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► raise my voice that's not the case at [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► all right I i do think i do think that [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► people are really complicated problem [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► and to say something interesting about [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► anything you have to have the right [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► amount of introspection and specificity [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► and you have to talk about a thing at a [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► time when there's a sense what's so [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► confusing about this curl is that she or [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► her a woman whoever it was that that [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► that sent me this tweet that she [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► immediately also felt empowered at to [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► challenge me as though she were my [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► thesis advisor you know she was not she [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► wasn't coming from a place of her of [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► intellectual humility or a place of even [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► like I admire you [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► her her her tone and her her approach [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► was immediately like for lack of a [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► better term matriarchal or or like she [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► was coming to me with superior wisdom [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► right that she had read something that [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► no one else perceived or that i was [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► unaware she was revealing [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► cataract he didn't know you had yeah she [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► was here now to as you as as we agree [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► that the the operative term she was here [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► to reeducation me from a place i mean [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► and i think backed up by the by the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► authority of the party when i whenever I [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► hear that word I because i used to use [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► that word in that same kind of context [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► it was a very common thing in the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► liberal community to say for many many [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► years is that really this is just a [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► problem of education we the thing is [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► people would be better about not wasting [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► natural resources if they're just more [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► educated was promised in education and [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► the thing is what what people said that [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► about you [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► like what if people said the problem is [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► the thing that you need to understand [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► about everything that's wrong with your [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► political beliefs is it or you're [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► whatever you're wherever your beliefs [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► are is just a little it's just a [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► question of Education yeah you just [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► don't you just don't have the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► information that we have real and so all [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the times you get into an argument at a [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► sports bar with some jackass who's [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► trying to tell you that the kids [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► shouldn't kids shouldn't be immunized [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► and you know and for that matter women [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► should be in the home or whatever it is [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► chemtrails well it but really just [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► anything that you believe when you as [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► soon as you start telling people that [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► it's a matter of education I think you [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► lose a little bit of your intellectual [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► authority because at that point you're [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► what you're saying is I will sit here [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► and and patiently listen to what you [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► have to say until I get the opportunity [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► to show you how you are fundamentally [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► wrong and that you will never be able to [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► advance intellectually until you accept [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► what it is that I know is true it's just [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► a matter of education but 22 sounds like [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► fucking Pol Pot the 20 books that i have [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► read from the age of sixteen to twenty [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► eleven by the same author the sum of [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► some of which were in a my high school [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► syllabus some of them were my college [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► syllabus some of them i found through [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► friends but those you know 20 to 30 [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► books that i have really your red and [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► digested are the sum total of human [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► knowledge and the 20 or 30 books that [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► you've read some of which overlap mine [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► probably a lot of them do we both [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► probably read The Great Gatsby [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► so let's say you know the thirty percent [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► of the books of the 20 to 30 books that [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► you've read uh and and also your [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► intellectual process in digesting them [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► somehow led you so astray [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► whereas the 20 to 30 books that I've [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► read have given me this like this like [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► diamond tip insight into the whole human [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► condition [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► I I let me do one of the things that [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► there with what that person said which I [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► mean I can understand that [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► I mean if I have somebody I mean as much [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► as we kid and stuff on here when people [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► say like super like racially offensive [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► things and are obviously like just [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► dropping dropping science on you about [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► how the world is and that bugs me you [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► know i don't want to be around that [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► sure but you know first of all I'm not [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► sure what I can do to necessarily turn [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► that person around that I've never met [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► but you know what with what that woman [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► said i would be even though i would [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► never do this publicly but I would be [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► inclined to say so you decided you don't [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► want to write songs for being a band [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► because of what i said well no of course [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► okay why is that well because I'm [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► smarter than that I know okay so you [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► assume that all these other people that [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► you theoretically care about this mass [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► of people that are so stupid and [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► malleable that these words that I chosen [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► this ese are going to make them not want [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► to start a band is that is that the case [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► that you're going to make because all [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► the sudden now you're the one who's [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► smarter than all these other people [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► because you see you see through the [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► matrix right you that they live thing [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► where you've got the sunglasses right [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► and that's what i think is actually it's [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► a little it's a little bit offensive [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► because you get to pick and choose like [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► who you get to decide you're smarter [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► than and it's really just a question of [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► going in educating everybody about all [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► these little people that need to be [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► looked after in this completely [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► paternalistic way this is what's so [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► interesting about what's happening in [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► France right now with the with the guide [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► on the lady a guy doctor lady in front [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► of I think the president was having [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► intercourse with someone who wasn't his [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► wife [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► Oh see that happens a lot there no that [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► doesn't interest me at all know that so [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► the whole the whole notion of French [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► identity in sort of the the whole [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► history of France post-revolution was [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► the french said we don't see race [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► we don't know if you come to France and [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► adopt the french language and learn the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► French culture you are a Frenchman and [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► it doesn't matter if you were born in [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► Algeria or in Vietnam we the the idea of [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► a Frenchman of a other of a citizen of [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► France is that you adopt the these these [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► the following premises that you know [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► that the the the citizen has life [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► liberty and the gala tea and that we are [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► all equal under the law and you know a [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► lot of notions in France that came from [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► the American Revolution a lot of notions [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► in France that are internal to France [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► but that there is a French identity that [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► supersedes all other cultural racial [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► economic identities and that for 200 [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► years has been the core of the of what i [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► meant to be French and and and in a way [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► it was the most democratic notion of [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► citizenship you think most people [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► believe that I think in France they [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► really do including people who are not [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► Gallic white people absolutely i mean [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► this is this is a this is the and this [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► is francis version of the melting pot [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► you know America's version of the [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► melting pot is show up now you're an [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► American and you and anybody can become [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► a million work hard and play by the [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► rules [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that's right and all over and [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► everybody's vote and it's fair here and [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► so you can be anybody could be President [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► you know that's the american version the [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► French version is is maybe [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► understandably more identity-based like [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► it isn't just that you that anybody can [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► be President it is that we are all now [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► equal under the idea that we are that we [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► are Frenchmen like we are brothers and [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► sisters brothers and sisters right and [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► political politically brothers and [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► sisters you know I it's a very it's it's [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► a super seductive idea to them and it's [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► the core of the whole idea i mean when [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► we we only look at it from outside and a [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► lot of it seems a lot of it is kind of [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► the the French pomposity and the that [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► the arrogance like the this is the this [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► is the sunny side of that you know that [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► this is the this is what's beautiful [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► about being French but as in the last 20 [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► years there have been these massive [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► waves of immigration to France and the [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► French have been wrestling with how to [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► maintain this thing that is so key to [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► them and it's like it is it's like a [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► religion to them which you would you [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► also include the things like language [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► and trying to lock down on things like [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► love facts i mean the effect of running [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► the French language to stay intact as [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► part of that for sure [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► languages key is is the is the heart of [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► it it's the key to and so their approach [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► to immigration has always been welcome [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► thank you for coming to France here is [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► your book of becoming French it involves [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► you now speaking French and thinking [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► French and at home I suppose if you want [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► to keep eating couscous here that is [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► fine here are here is a recipe book of [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► how to make your couscous taste more [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► french but in the meantime we are happy [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► to have you here and we are going to do [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► everything we can to create a a a racist [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► society [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► assuming of course that you're not a [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► gypsy or a Jew but let's leave that [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► aside but actually we welcome the Jews [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► now still a little weird on the gypsies [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► but [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► as as successive waves of people have [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► emigrated from North Africa now all of a [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► sudden they're these gigantic ghettos [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► where the population is largely arab and [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► muslim and so the French have been going [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► through this whole uh this this [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► incredible identity like the national [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► cultural identity problem where they're [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► like well we can't have people walking [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► around in burkas because it's not French [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► it isn't a question of that we are a [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► racist against Muslims or anti-muslim [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► but but the goal in France is that we [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► all be French it is how we manage [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► equality it is our whole idea of [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► equality that we all be not the same but [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► that we share the same values that but [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► that we all be primarily French right [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► well that we share these cause these [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► core values which are you know this is [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► kind of it that there's a similar [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► argument happening in America except we [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► don't share core values here but there [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► they have these core democratic [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► post-revolution values they they think [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► they do or they it's their values are [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► are are closer to the heart of the idea [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► of themselves this shared sense of [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► values and it's you know it is a at well [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► so it has driven them now to pass a law [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► against wearing burkas and from an [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► American sensibility we're you know that [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► law that that you can't wear a burka in [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► France and in a public school or in a in [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► an office like a government office we [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► just Americans freak out at the notion [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► and it seems very paternalistic and it [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► seems very racist [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► it seems i want a paternalistic it's [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► totalitarian right to tell taryn but [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► from the French standpoint it is like [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► they are trying to us it its full from [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► the French idea it is a very liberal [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► idea this is what's confusing the [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► liberal notion of like French liberalism [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► requires that everybody aspire to be [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► part of this family and to be outside of [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► it seems to them to be a active [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► totalitarianism or to be an act of [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► hostility that threatens the whole that [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► threatens the safety of their of them of [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► their melting pot right if you don't if [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► you don't want to melt into being French [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► like being French is at is at the key of [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► having all the rights of man that that [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that that you can bend therefore not [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► expect like you can't expect the rights [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► if you don't also perform the duties and [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► so they're so their culture is at war [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► with itself right now it's tearing [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► itself apart and it is it it's it is a [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► it's very interesting to look at it from [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► here to look at it from the United [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► States and see that that that there i [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► mean obviously like the lepen people the [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► be a cultural xenophobes in France are [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► are on this issue too but there's a [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► whole stripe of people that you know [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► that are coming at this question from a [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► liberal democratic perspective there [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► that is that's that's very confusing to [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► watch from here and very I think [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► instructive informative [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► yeah I mean I all the lofty ideas are [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► it's easy enough to agree on something [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► like do you believe in freedom of speech [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► of course everybody agrees and freedom [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► of speech and so you get into the [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► specifics of what that really means [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► are you allowed to say things that [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► aren't true are you allowed to say [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► things that are unkind are you allowed [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► to say things that startup hate when [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► people are you you know do I you know [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► the shot fire in a crowded theater [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► yea yea or you know or I think some [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► people would say this could go on really [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► any end of the spectrum versus the other [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► should I be expected to pay to publish [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► speech that I definitely think is is [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► hateful or untrue [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► for example do i right you should we be [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► paying should we be paying to have [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► textbooks in our schools that say [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► evolution is true [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► should we be paying to have textbooks in [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► our school that say that evolution is [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► I mean you know that's right that is i'm [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► probably splitting hairs here but I [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► think anybody agrees on those big issues [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► its just its implementation details but [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► there where you get all the truth [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► well this is why the Supreme Court of [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► the United States and the Congress and [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► the presidency were such a what were [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► such a brilliant idea and you know the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► idea that the Supreme Court could take a [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► law and set limits on aspects of it you [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► know that that that that that boat the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► Congress made law it went past the [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► President and he got to you know he got [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► to take a swipe at it if he could but [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► then the citizens to challenge the law [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► and the court could make a well could [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► the court could rule on beat you on [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► behalf of us like the idea that there [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► was an us survived until not very long [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► ago and it's it's a it's a thing as a [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► historical us [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► well yeah and that that where I mean [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► like when it is not kind of what the [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► Supreme Court is it speaking of us but [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► its its kind of to say like is this is [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► this what was intended [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► oh no I mean well you know it that is a [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► modern problem that the Supreme Court [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► was always meant to be in it was always [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► meant to evolve and the idea that the [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► founders didn't intend that the court [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► would interpret the conversation in [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► modern terms is a crazy conservative [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► reactionary nut story that the same kind [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► of people think the Bible was written in [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► English yeah right i mean has always had [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► the same 66 books it if you've read [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► anything about the founders the Scalia [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► notion that they meant that this you [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► know that that that that that the [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► founders meant that we should try and [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► get inside their minds and think about [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► what they meant instead of that they [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► meant exactly you know that they met [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► what they wrote and that we should be [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► like interpreting that but based on the [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► fact that we now have handheld computers [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► in our eyeglasses or III health [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► computers are hey al computer it's um [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► like it it seems crazy to me but no I i [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► mean the the evolve and ever-evolving [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► notion that there was an American soul [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► of a kind or that there was an American [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► identity that we were all aspiring to [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► melt into was a notion that was still in [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► place in a largely in place at least in [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► the school's when you and I were kids [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► and it was it was fraying and there were [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► obviously there was a there were whole [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► segments of the population that said [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► we're not even included in that you [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► never included us in that and we want we [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► want entry into it at the time even then [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► that it was only the fringe voices that [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► said we don't want entry into it we want [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► to burn it down [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► we want to tear that identity of park [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► like the vast majority of the [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► disenfranchised only wanted to be [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► franchised [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► and it's only in the last time you have [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► said the same have the same rights that [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► anybody else already had to have to have [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► the same rights and to be included in [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► that notion of American and to be and to [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► have their voices considered and to be [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► to just expand the franchise to include [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► everybody that really was already in it [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► which is something that the French did [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► much better than the Americans did it in [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► the sense that they headaches that they [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► that that franchise was expanded I mean [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► and obviously like the Dreyfus Affair [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► whenever the that they up through the [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► war they were still pretty bad on Jews [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► and and and Roma but the the French of [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► it have sought to expand that franchise [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► a lot more liberally than the Americans [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► did but it's only in the last 20 years [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► that that the idea that that this [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► american-ness even that that that are [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► shared aspirations that a commonality [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► would be something that we would [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► disparage and something that an educated [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► liberal person would want no part of and [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► would would want would instead choose to [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► mock and dried you know that that to sit [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► and talk about a like a an American [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► identity to talk about that as something [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► that is inherently oppressive [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► intrinsically oppressive rather than [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► something that is of a framework that we [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► can make that and we should be trying to [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► make better always and that making it [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► more inclusive is our goal rather than [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► to you know to destroy them to destroy [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► the framework in favor of who you are [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► implying who are you saying once that or [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► has been doing that [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► I don't like the far right wing nut [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► types [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► well like going to the compound kind of [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► people I feel like that I feel like [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► there is a huge go to the cops [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► there is a huge go to the cops [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► pound thread in liberalism now although [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► it isn't to the compound it is to a [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► place of like a place of hyper [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► multiculturalism to the point that all [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► that it is that it's like george bush's [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► thousand points of light except that [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► thousand points of light is a thousand [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► equal viewpoints none of which can be [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► privileged over any other so that it is [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► a so that every voice is heard in equal [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► volume and in that constellation of [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► voices there will be some collected [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► wisdom there will be some there were [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► there will be a common knowledge or [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► understanding that we can we cannot know [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► yet we cannot know the result of this [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► experiment until it we have achieved it [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► and to guess at it is to second-guess it [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► which is which is to stand in the way of [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► it and that are that the only valid goal [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► can be a time when all voices are [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► represented with with no privilege and [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► this is the idea of this of the word [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► privilege can and and and and flinging [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► privilege at people as an epithet that [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► this is this is the liberal side of this [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► yeah that only when we arrive at a place [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► where no voice has pride of privileged [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► no voices heard more loudly than any [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► other can we fully know ourselves or [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► have a tour or be close to achieving [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► like a understanding human understanding [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► or collective wisdom and it's a it's the [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► what I think is the under girding idea [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► of this you know this this like [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► Quasimodo axis to move on up on the part [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► of the intellectual world in American [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► Left intellectual life [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► to always be attacking privilege to [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► always be second-guessing language to [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► always be equalizing voices the the only [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► premise and it's an unspoken premise no [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► one ever discusses it openly but the [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► only premise I can see at the heart of [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► it is the idea that only once all voices [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► are heard only was all voices are equal [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► can we know can we even know what our [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► project is & big because as you as you [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► as you see any time someone stands up [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► and says i have an opinion the first [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► question is what right do you have to [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► speak who are you are you are going on [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► his on his billiard behalf key to speak [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► right are you just another middle-class [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► white person because we've heard what [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► you have to say and it you know it is a [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► blanket dismissal of antenna and the [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► reality is what any one person has to [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► say is in a lot of ways [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► irrespective of what their races or [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► their classes right i mean the world of [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► ideas the whole premise of it is that it [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► can exist in one's mind that yes is [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► influenced by its by its culture yes is [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► influenced by its experience but also [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► that's the beautiful thing about an idea [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► you can have an idea that is in conflict [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► with how you were raised with how you [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► were how you other the culture in which [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► you live it's how ideas [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► advertise themselves like I can think of [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► opposite of me and that's what makes it [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► a thought right and to to argue that my [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► thoughts are are all water stamped with [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► my race and culture is to be [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► anti-intellectual I guess [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► at its core and what thats whats in [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► that's what's insane about about this [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► notion is that ultimately it is it is [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► anti thinking and it you know it becomes [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► like it it's seeking to kill this idea [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► that you can be that there's something [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► about being French or about being [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► American that is that's worth preserving [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► or that is an identity that that has [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► responsibilities as well as rights [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► attended to it that every right has a [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► has a concomitant responsibility that [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► goes along with it [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► hmm i don't know i'm john pretty I'm [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► pretty skeptical about first of all I I [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► I feel like if you look at any anytime [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► that people who are in a minority and RB [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► being treated poorly end up getting out [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► of that there has to be a period along [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► what did stalin calling you know there's [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► that period where you at the the shit [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► was called the dictatorship of the [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► proletariat what they called it there's [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► a period like okay we have the [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► dictatorship of the proletariat there's [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► going to be this period i gotta let you [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► guys know things are going to be a [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► little bit rough here in the Soviet [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► Union while we make sure that we get [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► good and Soviet Union [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► yeah let's say 30 million dead but ok no [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► no i'm not i'm not trying to draw that [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► line exactly what I'm saying that I [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► think if you look at any group you have [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► to be radicalized at some point in order [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► to get noticed and in order to be heard [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► in order to attract people to [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► understanding hangs this is kind of this [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► is real screwed-up people are people [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► getting lynched like innocent innocent [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► people are being lynched for no reason [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► and like that's it that we have to stop [TS]

01:06:11 ◼   ► this guy's this is that this is a [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► terrible thing and so there's a period [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► where you have to set yourself apart and [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► and be heard and but I don't know and [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► this is maybe this is the privilege [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► talking but I feel like there are there [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► are so many people who cannot wait to [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► lose their own identity inside of some [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► bigger group because that's where they [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► feel like they did the identity that [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► they seek [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► fine ironically enough is by being in [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► the group that's shouting everybody else [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► down and you know is 011 him while I [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► understand I understand I understand and [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► respect the need to be heard and have [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► your needs redressed however you decide [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► to do it [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► I've always I'm always a little bit [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► skeptical of people who seem to be [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► getting addicted to being the underdog [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► because i'm not sure that is an [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► empowering approach to life [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► well my people were super white trash so [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► I don't know what you're talking about [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► oh you have people to my super white [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► trash people just like basically had to [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► do it all themselves well look both my [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► parents were addicted to super fun and I [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► had to raise myself inside of my own [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► diaper super fun you know about you guys [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► probably had cocaine we can do for [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► cooking we had super fun super fun [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► yeah yeah there's a pencil shavings and [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► coop you snorted it or I shot it didn't [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► matter didn't do anything to ruin their [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► lives [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► you know there are 300 million Americans [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► and that is a tiny tiny tiny fraction of [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► the people in the world really a small [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► number of people like two percent so my [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► point now [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► no I can't be right I'm not doing math [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► well there's a six billion people right [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► yeah I think closer to seven and in all [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► of in a it and I and I really think that [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► that at least right now that we America [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► has stopped manufacturing cars really [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► except for chrysler i don't know i think [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► about the possibilities let's extract [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► some for Christ's yeah I heard her I [TS]

01:08:13 ◼   ► heard the measure radiant and I thought [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► I was having a stroke they put their [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► potential is there something more [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► American than America but i don't think [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► so i don't think so how the turnout was [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► a dignified ah he looked a little [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► plastic surgery but his face was and he [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► can space was super init bobtailing and [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► his face we're talking about chrysler in [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► a commercial [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► yeah he looked like his face looked like [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► a change purse that simple [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► why don't you remember when he wouldn't [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► even let people use his songs first up [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► yeah that those days are gone but but I [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► mean even with that [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► yeah like calendar let's make your car [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► because will is anything more American [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► than America even that is really what [TS]

01:08:57 ◼   ► we're exporting his ideas and the Act [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► the ideas and the the the bullshit that [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► we are coming up with in terms of energy [TS]

01:09:08 ◼   ► entertainment infotainment and this [TS]

01:09:12 ◼   ► amusement and the info musn't and this [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► huge fire hose of ideas that we are just [TS]

01:09:18 ◼   ► spraying into the air like being the [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► entirety of it is a product of the [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► privilege that we have scraped and [TS]

01:09:29 ◼   ► stolen from the rest of the world like [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► we have created hey a salon in this [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► country out of some some shit we found [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► on the ground when we got here that we [TS]

01:09:43 ◼   ► that we that we killed the people that [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► were here already and took and then all [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► the raping that we do the daily daily [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► cultural raping that we do we have [TS]

01:09:55 ◼   ► created a salon where we are producing [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► chrysler ads angry birds and a like [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► Sheila booth movies when you put it that [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► way and I'm so like criticism from [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► within here seems so like so much a [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► product I mean it's all still in the [TS]

01:10:29 ◼   ► ship down like all all of the cultural [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► criticism all of the angry Twitter [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► yelling it's all in the same fountain of [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► of like language culture we are [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► we are deriving me where we are we are [TS]

01:10:46 ◼   ► producing on behalf of the world right [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► now in this moment in time and a hundred [TS]

01:10:54 ◼   ► fifty years from now we may be speaking [TS]

01:10:56 ◼   ► Indonesian here and that all may be gone [TS]

01:10:59 ◼   ► up and right now it seems like we [TS]

01:11:02 ◼   ► ourselves to be digesting it as [TS]

01:11:06 ◼   ► open-mindedly as possible the stuff that [TS]

01:11:10 ◼   ► we're making the ideas that we're having [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► it seems like an incredible missed [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► opportunity to not be adopting and [TS]

01:11:18 ◼   ► espousing the most open-minded possible [TS]

01:11:22 ◼   ► way of thinking as a group of people and [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► as a culture because we are you know [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► where we're in a rare moment we're all [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► we're being asked to do is generate [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► ideas all we are responsible for is [TS]

01:11:38 ◼   ► making words and ideas and games and [TS]

01:11:43 ◼   ► plays and to be to be turning on [TS]

01:11:49 ◼   ► ourselves and you know hyper nitpicking [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► looking for a grammar of of equality [TS]

01:12:00 ◼   ► when every idea could be in play every [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► single notion is up in the air its it is [TS]

01:12:10 ◼   ► a it's a strange impulse and one that I [TS]

01:12:14 ◼   ► don't know it's very human but and and [TS]

01:12:18 ◼   ► when you have them we spend your day [TS]

01:12:20 ◼   ► looking for that grammar of equality [TS]

01:12:21 ◼   ► something else is gonna happen when you [TS]

01:12:22 ◼   ► talked about before which is the bad [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► words problem and so we all we all agree [TS]

01:12:27 ◼   ► or are compelled to agree that there are [TS]

01:12:29 ◼   ► is this increasing corpus of bad words [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► these things we must never use or we [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► must always use Oh bad ideas are are the [TS]

01:12:36 ◼   ► are the real scary thing right but the [TS]

01:12:38 ◼   ► bad ideas and the problems I'm trying to [TS]

01:12:40 ◼   ► get at though is you can continue to to [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► your southern sheriff speak around your [TS]

01:12:45 ◼   ► buddies and that's not gonna do a damn [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► thing except you make you feel more and [TS]

01:12:49 ◼   ► more like you're the one who's [TS]

01:12:50 ◼   ► marginalized now it's for everybody [TS]

01:12:52 ◼   ► are all of our friends over here on the [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► left side of the dial there are just as [TS]

01:12:56 ◼   ► many people on the other side who are [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► just as incredulous about how they've [TS]

01:13:00 ◼   ► been left behind [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► yeah and and that just we just keep we [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► just keep making that split like broader [TS]

01:13:05 ◼   ► and broader when we keep saying which [TS]

01:13:08 ◼   ► ideas are ok to think the idea that's [TS]

01:13:11 ◼   ► curious to me right now is that football [TS]

01:13:14 ◼   ► is this terrible crime that we are [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► inflicting on football players right [TS]