00:00:00 ◼ ► come see the Cassidy and comfortable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► many other podcasts at the now hear this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► festival in anaheim california October [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► 28 through 30th do now here is this best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/6">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► the in time purple known 316 September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/13">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► stellar here for another edition of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/27">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► book club we're gonna be talking about i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/29">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► would say a classic book or at least a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► book that is not a current release it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/34">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► a book from 1996 which means we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/36">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► celebrating its 20th anniversary which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/39">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► kind of hard to believe the book that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/42">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► really love when i read the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/44">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► and i re-read it for this podcast it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► the sparrow a science fiction novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► don't let anybody tell you otherwise a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► science fiction novel by Mary Doria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/52">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► wrestle joining me to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► sparrow are the following Erica and sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► hello hello and shannon sudderth hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/60">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► laughing keys and mr. book club himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/63">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► so the sparrow some of us have read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/71">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► before I believe Shannon and scott and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/73">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► have read it before but that Erica it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/76">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► was new to you is that right i had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► well for you so in that new why did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► agree to be on this podcast that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► thing i want to know i don't know and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/86">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► tweeting and posting our slack about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► experience of reading this book to which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/95">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► showing up and for reading to the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► mmm i got all the way through all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► way through got to the end that America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► if you if you abide by the if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► nothing nice to say say nothing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► you're going to be very quiet very musky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► sure i'm not gonna be that quiet reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/113">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► it again I realize all the reasons why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► love this book and I also realized and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► got to look out for all in detail all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► the things that i have a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/124">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► about this book and that was good it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► it was enjoyable to revisit it after i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/127">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► probably read it not too long after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► year or two after so it's been almost 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► years since i read this book the sparrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► is the first novel by Mary Doria wrestle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► she has written many books since she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/139">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► not really a science fiction writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► although her first two books for science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► she's written a whole bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/146">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► stuff in a bunch of different different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/147">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► genres she definitely has a focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► she's got a lot of Catholicism happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► a lot of her novels this book is about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/155">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► it basically is the SETI program that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/163">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► they are Arecibo radio Observatory in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/165">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► Puerto Rico picks up radio broadcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► very much if you see the movie contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► you get the idea what's going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► and then what happens next is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► Jesuits basically by an asteroid on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/176">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► Centauri where they have picked up these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► signals in order to make a first contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► with the aliens there and they arrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► characters are the members of that crew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► the story is told in two different time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► lines in 2020 or thereabouts-- 2015 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► 2020 when they are headed out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► discovered the signal and they're headed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/202">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► out to Alpha Centauri and in 2060 in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► aftermath of the mission when the sole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► survivor of the mission and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► really know quite what that means when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► this starts the the kind of disgraced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► sole survivor has returned to Earth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► as being interrogated by the leader of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► the Jesuits about this terrible mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► that has happened that has almost ruined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/225">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► the society of jesus and and so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► very interesting premise for a novel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/229">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► their yes there are a lot of aliens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► stuff in it too which is why despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► fact that some people said well it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► really science fiction at the time she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/239">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► science fiction doesn't grapple with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► large issues of faith and and society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► and thinks he actually it does it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/250">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► science fiction and it's got aliens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/251">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► so that's that's the sparrow it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/254">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► at its core story about about Emilio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/257">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► sandoz a Jesuit priest who is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► survivor and how he got on this mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► to go to this of this planet and meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► these aliens and what happened and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► so that's a yes that's the sparrow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► got a lot of interesting issues about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/277">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► about faith about society about how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/278">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► interpret them the meaning of life about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/281">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► other other people and other beings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/284">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► so I don't know maybe we should start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► with some initial impressions about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/292">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► book i'm gonna i'm gonna hold off in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/294">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► America because she just read it and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► going to start with sort of like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► this book lived in your memory and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► your experience of rereading it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/304">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► Shannon how about you and you you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► this a while ago and then reread it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► that is right i went through a period in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► the early audis of trying to make myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► read more science fiction and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► fantasy because i'm @hardwick fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► girl but we were I was the literary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/322">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► chair for a local khan and our guest was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► vernor vinge Eve and I had never read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► anything by him so I made myself read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► one of his more recent books before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/334">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► meeting him and working with him on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► con and i decided i really need to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► this and kept going and looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► various things and the sparrow happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► to be one of them i'm not sure but now i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/345">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► don't remember exactly what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► friends or just seeing it on a shelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► something of that maybe say you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/354">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► but in that period of reading syfy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► is honestly only one of two pieces the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► other one being the red mars trilogy by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► Kim Stanley Robinson that I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► reading and at the time truly being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► blown away by on because it had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/373">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► combination of explaining the science in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/377">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► a way that 1i could understand but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► did not feel spelled out or dumped down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► and number two as you said dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/387">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► these huge philosophical spiritual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/390">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► forces of nature you know all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/394">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► different things anthropological things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/396">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► dealing with them in intricate ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/398">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► without pulling punches and three the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► thing that struck me most of all was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/403">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► characters this this band of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/404">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► were pulled together to uh to go on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► trip just totally grabbed me their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/410">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► interactions their dialogue of Russell I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/414">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► think has a at least in this book a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/418">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► sense of character and is able to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► them out and make them live off the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► in a way I wasn't seeing another science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► fiction books which is of course why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/428">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► science fiction but as you said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► it's classic science fiction i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► think the interviewing 20 years famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► library and Nancy Pearl has I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► statement about the sparrow but she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► come out as a proponent of science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► fiction it seems like she's backed off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► on her original review of the Spirit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/448">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► which is that it was too good to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/449">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► science fiction which is shameful but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► that was 20 years ago and people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/454">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► grow and change Scott what's your memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/455">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► of the sparrow and and when did you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► it and what do you think at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/460">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► well i believe i read it when it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► came out and it hit me for a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/464">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► reasons AI think it's just a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/468">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► Catholic so it had that layer and i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► went to a Jesuit High School so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► very familiar with the society of jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and Jesuits in general and in fact it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/482">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► the Jets who I have to thank for making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/486">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► me an atheist because whatever that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► something something everyone is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/491">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► throughout my four years of high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/495">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► and when i first went to high school I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► was pretty sure I was going to become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► priest and by the time I left high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/501">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► school I was pretty sure that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► it was my legs Jesuits Thank You Jesuits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/509">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► it was because of the Jesuits they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/511">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► taught me critical thinking and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/513">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► co-workers the other day and she said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► well the gesture was actually might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/519">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► be so upset about that because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► would be happy that you at least applied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► critical thinking through the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/524">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► and i said well i think they still can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/525">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► believe in god that's kind of one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/528">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► their central today out soho even happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► maybe someone has been going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/531">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► alcohol but so the stars align in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► book because a it the biggest thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/537">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► dealing with his faith right and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/540">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► your you how you deal with it how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/541">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► you know there are many priests in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► book and they all have different ways of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► and I enjoy that many of them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► you always hear the story of how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► know God speaks to you and then you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/556">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► up a vocation and certainly that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► but the characters in this book was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/561">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► basically say well i'm not insane i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► don't hear voices i am just not this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/567">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► way I express my faith is through my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► actions and that's how I you know honor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/572">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► god I've never actually talked to God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► but you know with the main character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/577">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► goes through a journey where he kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► you know he believes in god please never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► had a bad experience with God and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► he kind of he thinks he does right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/587">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► it sends him off to this and then of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► course the end it may not turn out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► well for him but yeah that that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/594">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► the challenges that Santos basis is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► he feels finally that he's had his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► moment of understanding of what His [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► purposes and what God wants him to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/603">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► and terrible things happen after that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/605">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► a boot the thing i didn't remember i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► remember one central terrible thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/612">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► happens to him or to actually but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► didn't remember all of the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/618">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► things that happen through so as i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/619">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► reading it as like this gracious me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► lot of bad things happened to this man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/623">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► and everyone who goes to the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/624">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► uh-huh and it just also reinforce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► idea in that I like novels in which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/629">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► main character suffer literally which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► which I don't tend to like I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► know my my memory of the book was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► you know that it was powerful that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/640">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► was you know I i grabbed onto it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/643">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► it was science science fiction yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► science-fiction book to all my friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/649">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► and say this is worth reading arm but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/650">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► generalities of things that had happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► I had I'd somewhat forgotten the dual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/660">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► timelines structure that it was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/665">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► all the way through and not just like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► the beginning and towards the end and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► took me a while to get back into reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/672">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► developing I'm just like oh yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/676">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► but it when they hit to the point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/681">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► you described where um where a jimmy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/684">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► Quinn discovers the music that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/688">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► an actual comprehensible message in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► he thought was just some random blip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► from SETI and things start getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► together of the people started all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► different characters start interacting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/702">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► they start you know what essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► it's like you know yeah let's let's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► spaceship there is a bit goofy how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/708">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► do it but the enthusiasm that got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► back into it which made remembering some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► of the things that happen along the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► even harder and I'd forgotten just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► powerful those last scenes are when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/721">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► let's go to Erica erica your newbie you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► read this is the first time I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/729">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► think you know what you're getting into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/730">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► before we go into some specifics here i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► would like to hear your overview of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► well I did going completely cold i offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/739">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► it's so rare that I get to go into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/741">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► movie or a book or anything without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► knowing anything about it so I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/746">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► excited when that happens I can just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/747">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► into something completely cold and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► think this is one of those times where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/752">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► complete it just backfired because had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/753">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► known what this book was about going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► i would have realized that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► book that is like in capital letters not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► for Erica ah for yeah I have a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/762">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► up maybe I'm like the opposite of Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/767">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► here my my personal relationship with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► complicated in such a way that it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► much turns me off anytime that it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/777">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► so while I will when I will agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/780">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► with all of the non emotional reactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/782">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► you guys had to this book it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/785">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► well written it is very well crafted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/787">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► this is a good book capital g capital be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/788">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► good book but it is just so not the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► of thing that I enjoy that I i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► know why i kept pushing through it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► this infinite this had been an episode 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► of like award reading or or even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► we're we're doing two or three books or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/808">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► something like that I probably would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/809">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► and not finished it and that now that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► have gotten all the way to the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► the book I i think that that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/817">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► for me I can't argue with any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/820">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► stuff that you guys have have said about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► its its quality it just yes it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/824">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► very philosophical and that is so not my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/828">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► yeah and I think that's one of the keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/832">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► in that it delves into all these issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► of spirituality and you know like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► Erica I'm not got you an agnostic the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► spirituality but this particular book at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► least not once do i as the reader feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► like I'm being preached at and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/851">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► that is a marvelous marvelous thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/852">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► Russell manages to do to make this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/855">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► a huge search thru spirituality how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► people arrive at their spirituality what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/862">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► happens when their spirituality seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► fail them and yet I as a reader not once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► felt like I was being told you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► yes I i should point out that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► absolutely not you know that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► my complaint I i agree with that she did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► a wonderful job of sort of walking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► line of I mean you guys mentioned her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► characters and and you're right these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► are very well realized characters they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► all have inner lives two to one degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► or another so I felt like I knew who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► these people were so the the examination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/893">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► of the spirituality is very much carried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/896">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► out from the perspective of each one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/898">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► these characters and I did not feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► there was a view that I was supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► be associating with more than any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/904">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► rest so that was that was a very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► comfortable for me reading it but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/911">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► least I didn't feel like I was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/912">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► preached to you know one of things then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► forgive me for this guy because i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/915">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► going to hear a little bit away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► Star Trek here but as we have to host of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/918">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► the audio guide about 15 hear that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/921">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► of the things always appreciate about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/923">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► the TV show Babylon 5 was similarly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► fact that it took religion seriously and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► that was a show written by an atheist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/929">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► but the fact was that he felt like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► in the future in a few hundred years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/935">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► we're gonna suddenly not have religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► that's been with us for thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► years probably going to be important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► humanity for a very very long time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/942">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► I mention that because as somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/947">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► portrayals of people struggling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/954">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► their faith and wondering about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► nature of God and in a science fictional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► can't context I i think it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► because i do think this is one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/963">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► fundamental things about being a human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/965">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► being and that's one of the reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► i actually really like this book is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/969">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► as and not a particularly religious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► person I recognize the importance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/973">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► spirituality in a search for meaning in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► people and and these characters are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/980">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► experiencing it from different areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/983">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► which is fascinating to me the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/986">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► you've got our main character is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► priest who basically has never kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/989">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► never believed in god and feels really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/993">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► bad about that which is fascinating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► me and and the idea that he has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► moment of clarity and feels that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► finally has his meeting and then things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► go horribly wrong on this planet I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► that the the the the title of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► the sparrow is very specifically from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► passage in the Bible about how even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► a single sparrow falls dead God is aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► of it that the idea here that bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► happen in the world to and God is aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► of that too well that I guess Amelia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► sent this is the sparrow kind of e a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► fascinating to be also i am a sucker for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► first contact stories and this has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► it isn't you know like we said with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► station eleven episode the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► still bear with me on this one Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► station level was a book that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► people didn't like because on our book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► club because it is not very good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► science fiction showing an apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► here i would say the sparrow similarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► if you're somebody good is going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► caught up in the science of this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► know there's a lot of hand waving that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► goes on about how they get to another to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► another solar system right like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► they don't describe oh we invented a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► drive that will take us there at half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► speed of light or where they just kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► she can you wave your hands and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► fine that's not her strong suit no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► anthropologie side is her strong suit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► and that shines through you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► squint at the science you have to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► and for me it's okay because because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► culture when it was she when they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► the planet red-hot it is it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► interesting that it's fine and it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► I my point is like with a station eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► the details aren't the point here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► actually more kind of like the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► result this is allegorical for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► presence of the Jesuits in the new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► essentially this is what would be a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► new world for the Jesuits to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► have a first contact with and so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► it's an alien planet instead and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► what she's really trying to do here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► fact i'm kind of impressed that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► tries as hard as she does to make a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► of hold together in terms of the science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► right because she could have completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► just punted and been like and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► were on the other planet and instead she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► tries to go through recibo and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► the signals and all of that in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1138">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► its and it's very exciting and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► appreciate that because in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► yes is it kind of ridiculous that six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► people who were all together in Puerto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► Rico when the signal was made are part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► of a nine person or a person crew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► is the first prefers people to go to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► alien planet where where where alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► life has been discovered for the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► time before any governments or Space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► Agency's seems kind of ridiculous to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► but you know what that's the story she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► wants to tell and we kind of go with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► and I I mean I didn't it is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► but i did also kind of buy into it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► little bit because the the church [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► doesn't have this you know the rules and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► regulations that i would imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► government would have to follow so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► can sounds like okay let's buy an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► asteroid and let's go and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► they do and you know he convinces them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► that we we should do this we have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► know priceless artwork that we can sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► on the download and get us a suite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► asteroid and we can go off and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► we happen to have the people we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► make this a reality add a couple more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► priests and add a couple priest instant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► yep the spirituality aspect of it is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► the biggest thing that turned me off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► about it but I think even if somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► this book were able to exist without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► that which certainly I long as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► but even if I had I still don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► that it would have been something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► truly appealed to me because unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► scott once again I am NOT a person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► characters in books suffer a lot like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► don't mind some of it because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► sometimes you need that for a good story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► but I mean there's there's so few hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► in the day that I get to read that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► tend to like my escapism to be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► bit more escapee and and have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► a little little bit lighter to to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► back-and-forth flipping is is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► that sometimes i like and sometimes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► don't in this case it you find out at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► the very very very beginning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1258">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► everything goes horribly wrong and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► just it's a journey of discovery to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► out how things went wrong so that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► had me kind of you know the clenched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► heart all the way through like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► going to happen I know something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► going to be awful and I like i would i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► would rather know hit the outset that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► it's gonna end very badly then have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► seemed like everything's gonna be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► and then it ends terribly so I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► this is this is a little bit better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► that but but still i just spent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► whole thing with a feeling of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► dread yeah I was kind of surprised that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► i managed to sort of lose that dread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► somewhat once the the 2019 once the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► current day quote unquote a timeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► started kicking together I was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► surprised that I think the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► you know we're strong enough and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► so much fun with each other that it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► drew me back in on just like it did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► first time I mean you know that i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► read when i read this book the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► time like you said it tells you right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► downhill and yet the first time around i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► managed to forget a lot of that until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► the last third of the book when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► started really going downhill and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► Yesi whereas i was just i felt like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► was such work reading this book that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► got toward the end and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► and some things hadn't happened yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► i was just finding myself going ok I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► actually you know I've learned to maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► not like so much but at least appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► some of these characters because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► were very well written but I literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► found myself thinking oh my god just die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► already look like regular people like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► like you but I know something Bad's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► gonna happen to you so can we please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► just and I did I think the structure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► your point Erica makes it all the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► worse because you know at the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► that you first meet sandoz and he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► broken character and then you flipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► back to the past and he's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► bubbly guy that everybody likes it he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► making jokes is helping everybody at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► just like oh now i'm just gonna watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► this person basically have the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► several years of his life and then come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► back and continue to downward trend so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► it's not not gonna be a great pleasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► ride this episode of the incomparable is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1392">TS</a>]
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00:23:23 ◼ ► it eliminates Commission driven and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► it's an award-winning sleep surface that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► was developed in-house it has a sleek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► design and it's delivered in a small box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► so small that you will say how did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► do that the answer is vacuum technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► I think something like that involves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► sucking all the air out and it fits in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► box and then you open it and push it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► expands back to its normal size addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► to that that mattress though that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► they also offer an adaptive pillow which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► I have as well and soft breathable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► yeah it's all good stuff it really is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► in-house team of engineers a Casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► spent thousands of hours developing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► mattress it's got spring latex and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► support of memory foams and creating a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► sleep surface it's got just the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► sink just the right balance and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► breathable design so it's sleep school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► to help you regulate your temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► mattresses often cost a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► well over fifteen hundred dollars casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► mattresses started 504 twin 754 full 850 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► Queen up to 9 50 for a king buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► Casper mattress completely risk-free if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► you've got yourself while these casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► sound good but you know what I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► want to buy a mattress on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► don't worry about it Casper has free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► delivery and free returns with a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► knight home trouble sleeping for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► months and if you decide at any point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► you don't like it like Casper know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► will take it away and give you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► so obsessively Matt engineering mattress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► shockingly fair price a great feel free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► shipping and returns to the US and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► risk-free you don't love it they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► take it away and you have lost nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► made in America it is Casper it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► great sleep surface try it out now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► get fifty dollars toward any mattress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1513">TS</a>]
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00:25:20 ◼ ► terms and conditions apply thank you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► Casper for sponsoring the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► so I'm gonna free everybody here I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► you shouldn't be listening if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► read the book but if you have are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► listening we're gonna fire off a cry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► sort of a friendly spoiler horn right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► there just to make it clear before we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► even deeper down in to the sparrow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► if you like what you've heard from me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► and Shannon and Scott maybe you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► read it and if you like what you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► it's beautiful music I feel like some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► these episodes the spoiler horn is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► implied for the whole thing because why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► but yes I feel like we haven't like dug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► down into some of the worst of it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► I'm gonna do right now because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► when we talk about the two time frames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► right um i think it's interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► that you could argue that this is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► to cushion the blow a little bit but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► course i think also it's the structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► is that she kind of wants the descent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► into darkness and the kind of like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► ascent into finding a reason to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► happen in parallel I mean I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► what she's trying to do here it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► give you the descent from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► when you're watching all these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► first-contact situation and going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► you already know that something horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► is going to happen and so that color's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► your judgment of it which it's it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► interesting choice I gotta say from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► perspective of 20 years later one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► things about this book that did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► impress me at all is one of the conceits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► here is that sandoz is returned by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► second the second mission 2 rakaat he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1615">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► this is what happens he's found in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► dungeon as the sex slave of an alien and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► they in all of his other and he and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► seen killing an alien as they find him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► and then they put him on his asteroid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► ship and send it back to earth and radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► back so it reaches them much before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► the ship does that about this terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► you know state that they found him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► and from the perspective of 2016 reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► this I could not buy for a moment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► everybody refers to him in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► disgraced and disfigured because he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► this horrible operation down his hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► by these aliens as a prostitute and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► everybody just assumes like okay first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► first off that he was a prostitute when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► they find him in a sex dungeon being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► you know for for these aliens literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► naked and bloody yeah nobody thinks one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► nobody thinks that perhaps another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► was forced into this and to when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► call him a prostitute they assume it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► means that he was a willing and joyous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► prostitute which is also i think not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► something that you should assume and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► it in reading this it this time I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► like I i didn't i didn't buy that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► part of it makes everybody on earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► essentially in the end in a later time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► frame seemed kinda like a dummy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► because she wants this revelatory moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► when he says no i wasn't doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► because I enjoyed being raped by aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► it was raped and and they're like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► it was rape I had no idea it's like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► you should've picked that up like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► they radioed it back you should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► mmm yes yeah that was that was my other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► big problem which I didn't know if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► were in spoiler horn territory so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► couldn't say that made me actually angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► at this book because it's just I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► really the where we start out is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► the 2060 sort of present day and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► whole framework of this book is based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► the slow kind of on unveiling of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► this character has gone through and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► why he's he's so shamed and and and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► is it I mean it just it nerf the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► the Baltimore me to a really large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► yeah and I didn't feel that way 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► ago but I I'm more aware of stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► that now where I and and knowing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► happens in the book and now i'm judging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► it on the reread based on what I already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► know what's going to happen i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► it's completely impossible to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► nobody would think that at any point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► mean yeah I grant that there was a radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► report from some people who had a skewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► view of it and then he's silent because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► he's just kind of like coming back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► he's completely comatose essentially and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► he won't talk to people so they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► know his part that nobody in the 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► intervening years has not considered as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► a serious possibility that he is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► victim of a horrible crime and yet i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► think because Russell wants us to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► thinking as I was reading like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► the way to tell this story is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► to have him just be found in prison and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► just how awful his conditions were and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► then at the end of the book him having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► realized no actually they kept me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► frizzled those last 10 months that i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► on that planet as a sex slave and raped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► me repeatedly and have everybody be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► horrified when he admits that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► part this terrible thing that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► to him but instead everybody knows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► they assume it's his fault and there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► they're blaming the victim because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► he was wearing a jeweled collar don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► you know I'm part of it is that um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► think in this is a Russell doing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► criticism possibly of how quick human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► how quick it is in human nature is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► look for the scapegoat we don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► huge amount of detail but the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► the the Jesuits you know since this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► a private enterprise essentially just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► sort of you know snuck you know their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► team often into the asteroid before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► United Nations or anybody else was even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► aware that somebody was actually going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► to try that the arm try to contact this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► planet a lot of people it was public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► that the contact has been made but um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► but no nobody official no government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► tried to do anything about it as quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► as the Jesuits did on and then for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► go so completely pear-shaped and buried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► all the transmissions right so it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► blackout the scandal as a result when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► representatives are as part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► second group get there you know they yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► they jump to the wrong conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► extremely stupidly arm but they are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► looking at the entire rest of the crew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► is dead and the planet that they came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► visit which apparently when they arrived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► was in this nice peaceful planet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► everything's hunky-dory is now going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► through a civil war you know then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► and the UN is either looking they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► looking for somebody to blame at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► sandoz is the only one to blame so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► they've got this tunnel vision and jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► and like jumping to conclusions i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► if this book was written today I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► think Russell would have had every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► single character more or less believing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► the original story somebody would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► didn't but this was 1996 and gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► issues and so forth have advanced since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► then also and in the books defense guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► I didn't say that i do think that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► took so long for him in first time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► information that they had you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► wouldn't they trust the word of these un [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► advisor people because they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► didn't give super great details about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► the fact that he was naked and dirty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► non-responsive physically after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► yeah the first thing they saw him do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► when they go into that cell of the alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► sandoz had managed to make first contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► whether his talent is linguistics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► he's able to soak in and create and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► figure out languages very quickly on so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► the idea that this was a an alien that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► knew who he was and it sounded like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► they were supposed to be at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► friendly but sandoz attacks the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► the seller's opened we learn that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► sort of psych himself up into I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► to end this one way or the other I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► getting out or I'm dying and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► horrible bad luck that the first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► through the door is this young alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► girl and the first thing those you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► people see is him run into her smack or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► so hard into the wall that she breaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► her skull or her ribcage and kills her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► rights and so is that so the the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► is that these guys have basically grown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► up live most of their lives knowing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► think what the deal is with this guy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► I mean it's it is a pretty ingrained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► idea of what had happened to him so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► mean I still don't completely by it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► at least at least you know if they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► had an awful long time to have believed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► this thing so that that meeting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► weird guy is probably not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► completely jar that out of their minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► yeah I yeah I just feel like from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► perspective of 20 years later I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► oh it's it could have been tweaked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► little bit and been much more kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► believable to me then that it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► let's say I mean we should let's talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► there's so much here I the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► are really interesting we we we meet we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► meet another another Jesuit who is we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► find out right before he dies it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► much a i'm going to download all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► who is his mentor that he's actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► gay priests and because and I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► honestly one of the reasons that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► rape is part of the story of Santos is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► because she wants to us to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► and we we do for the whole book think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► about thousands of celibacy here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► of course and O's falls in love and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► basically pushes the woman who falls in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► love with away because he has you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► he he's now kind of high on his final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► hit you know it's sudden contact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► what he believes is his destiny guided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► by god I'm so that that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► theme there but that's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► character he's a Texan we've got the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► uh it's a Jewish artificial artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► intelligence experts who makes her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► living she's a vulture she makes her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► living basically scripting people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► brains like into computer code so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► eliminated but he falls in love with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► and I thought it was interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► the her character is a oh well not owned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► but yeah surfing right for most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► book in this guy who pays deals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► basically pietrzyk people futures right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► he pays for he identifies a talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► poor children and put them through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► school and you know identifies their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► their talent and then they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► have to work off all of the money he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► invested in them so they contract them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► out and she is one of those people and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► just thought that was something that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► not seem that far-fetched to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► happening now today his which made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► yeah that was a bit so the whole Sophia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► mendez story is like a little like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► science-fiction novel that she could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► have written because that that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► extrapolating 20 years ahead in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► it's actually not too far off of what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► happened in Syria happens in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► in turkey where there are right up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► terrorists and a war a civil war and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► end up with she's basically her parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► are killed and she is she is sold off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► into prostitution first and then becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► educated professional at that point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► she still got the fact that she wears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► this like bracelet that is her symbol of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► being owned until she can pay off her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► debt and it's a it's a whole interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► idea that is kind of just tossed off as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► a a side aspect of this plot but another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► interesting science fictional premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► what about the UH I mean that if anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► have any other characters that they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► to talk about and we can we get we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► Jimmy Quinn who is your stock uh he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► just a big science nerd who discovers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► aliens you know as you do you dig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► literally like I'm feet 7 yeah he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► 777 and a half foot er um I like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► aliens think so clearly he's your mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► and you should be carrying our house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► install yeah i'll come back to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► later but yeah the fact that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► judging each other's races the humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► and the the Runa is the first group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► aliens they meet on this planet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► they're judging gender by size and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► figure out much later just how scrambled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► everything has gotten that apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► language he made the same assumptions as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► far as which gender is being declined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► with which noun and finding out that yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► they all assume that big seven-foot-tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► Jimmy was the mom because he was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► biggest you know if it had been just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► just sighs that was the gender thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► would have I would have found it amusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► and interesting but no this is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► this is another sign that this book was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► written 20 years ago because it was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► the anthropologist also makes note of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► the fact that it wasn't just the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► but it was also the moral duties that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► very happened and you know who is taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► care of the children and and being sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► that sort of thing and I when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► going out of business in the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► world yeah that's true but it's not flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► with rona isn't that wasn't that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► point there is everybody's making gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► gender assumptions and it's the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► right but she was she was just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► that that humans still have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► gender assumptions which is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► that was problematic for me at this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► this point it's 2020 now milan i did i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► did laugh at the point where the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► taking place in what is now our present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► day and that was although although she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► didn't get tablets right shit these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► people are using tablets a lot like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► yep it's pretty good job and Jimmy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► Jimmy's a home computer gets hacked into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► by some teenagers that students write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► something about that right yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► so there's some some paper at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► that I was like nope that's probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► right but I thought you did okay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► that as far as characters i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► Edwardses oh yeah I love the it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► it's a couple that you know you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► not automatically assume to be the type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► of people to go on this mission they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► in their sixties they essentially have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► retired and are doing volunteer / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► mission work in Puerto Rico that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► just the way the conversations between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► them the way that they quit back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► delightful but the that these are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► your standard um hero's journey go off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► and quest type two kinds of people which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► i think is great i think yeah that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► one of the things I like to the best i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► think and the most because you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► see a lot of her inner life as compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► with George most of his inner life is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► shown through and over but i just-i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► liked her as a character i liked the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► that she reacted to other people and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► think she was thinking and I just you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► right that the hoot and a half thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► wanted them to be my friends I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► go i wanted to go to their house and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► many of them are these girls parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► yeah she sounded like the greatest host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► in the world yeah it's a fun you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► these characters meet sandoz earlier on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► and then he basically says you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► come to Puerto Rico and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► yeah let's do it and they're there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► lot of fun and this is that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► about this like let's let's buy an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► asteroid not tell anybody that I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► like is that you know when else are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► going to see a story about a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► friends deciding that they're gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► the ones to send a spaceship for a first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► contact with aliens it's like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► not gonna happen right and yet that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► the purpose of this tour including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► retired husband and wife who are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► last people that you would normally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► expect to see in a first-contact space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► mission but they go and of course which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► is where you really need you really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► the God aspect of it there because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► does actually make it work without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► feeling hand-wavy because you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► Yeah right right although the what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► interesting about the the couple is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► the the wife who's the doctor is um is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► basically completely lapsed Catholic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► although she may potentially change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► tune when they get to the alien planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► you know she's she's among a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► people who are believers she is not one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► and it's a very interesting kind of kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► of combination that they have their it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► a good yeah those are really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► characters the dialogue is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► with those characters I felt like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► of these characters really jump off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► page not only sandoz but the the couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► and Sophia mendez and the the Texan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► these are all characters that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► one of those books where i can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► like I i start to cast people and staged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► scenes and higher their voices talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► because the characters are so strong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► and memorable I let's talk about aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► how about that no okay Scott you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► stick limes so we get direct we get 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► rakaat day they take a hollowed-out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► remaining asteroid and they threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► magical undescribed of engine AI program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► is slightly physics you can accelerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► and how they do that we don't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► then they decelerate and then they get 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► rakaat and you know it it's fine and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► they meet it and i really like i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► i'm a sucker for first contact up i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► really like first off they land kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► like far away from everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► they're just sort of like basking in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► ecosystem of all alien stuff that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► don't know anything about and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► to like eat little bit of food to see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► the current it's poisonous or not which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► I kind of enjoyed all of that and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► they do all of that and somebody dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► actually which land they don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► which I also really kind of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► this is when you're getting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► Jesuits coming to the new world right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► which is there are far from home that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► their that they're not going to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► subsist on their rations they are trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► to figure this out some of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2638">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► aren't going to make it and and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► not gonna be a clear reason why and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► they finally meet the the aliens on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► planet or at least they think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► aliens on this planet which are the Runa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► I'm and they and they have this question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► of like they get some stuff confused but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► because Santos is there because he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► brilliant translator and they they spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► some time trying to figure out who these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► people are and and and how their culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► works and I loved all of this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► it goes i was i was happy I was afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► that this was going to go on for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► one chapter and then be done and and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► memory of it is so warm that I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► go on longer and in the book actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► goes on a very long time that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► that this whole portion is but i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► enjoyed the whole first contact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► value with Runa I'd read that as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► but i do think there's they they spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► like a year in this little village and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► they never liked feet ask about the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► and try to get more information I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► an odd but i did--like i enjoyed reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► about it but I was like if i was there i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► might you know go check out the city or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► something I don't know it seems very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► overwhelmed with the the novelty like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► everything is new on this alien planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► obviously they're writing scholarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► papers about the you know they're taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► themselves some of the characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► saying you know we really need to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► know try and you know try and find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► people who are the singers because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► whole reason they've come to this planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► is the music that the city picked up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► this particular population they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► music no they don't do it but i can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► i think maybe it does stretch on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► little bit farther than it could that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► there's always seems to be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► else to do something else to take care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► of before trying to go on to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► thing ya i have I'm of two minds about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► this because on the one hand like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► it from a logical perspective it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► make sense to to sort of take your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► and do it methodically accept these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► people that immediately decided to jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► in an asteroid and go to another planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► so I don't feel like that that argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► that great with impulse control that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► argument doesn't quite work however on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► the other side the reason that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► able to jump into an asteroid so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► is because they're Jesuits and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► God's plan you know that this everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► seemed to and they didn't talk in detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► about all of the stuff that had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► miraculously happen in order for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► fall into place but you know from and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► musing musings that they make it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► clear that that everything sort of came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► together perfectly at the last minute in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► miraculous so it made it very easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► the the higher-ups in the in the Jesuits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► to to say yes you know this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► meant to be and I believe that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► were a couple of nods to that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► like you know Jimmy really did want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► get out there and go in the city but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► one reason or another it seems like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► you know the whole God's plan again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► amelia was leaning that way right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► also um Russell does take care the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► first member of the crew to die of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► appears to be natural causes they try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► you know that and the doctor tries to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► an autopsy and with essentially field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► conditions and can't figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► that was the music expert right so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► the biggest driving force in the party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► brilliant that's like I said this is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► it makes it so clear that Russell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► strength is anthropology because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► throws in the gender mix-up at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► beginning and you know it it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► to be fairly harmless they just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► reassess what they had assumed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► rework some of their papers but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► misunderstanding of of the gender of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► these peak of the of the Runa arm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► you know we really need to grow our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► food you know we yes we can eat a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► the stuff on this planet but you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► would help if we had our own and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► know just something simple as a plant a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► garden in this village and and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► turns out to have catastrophic effects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► on the biosphere because we learn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► essentially you have a predator and prey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► situation that has evolved into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► the Jaffa Jaffa yeah this is what I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► when I tell you have the Jon a one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► the things that's interesting here is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► yes Shannon this day the innocence of we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► need to grow a garden is the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► essentially destroys this planet at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► least as it was before they got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► which is is a an amazing kind of moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► where it unravels gradually and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► so you mentioned that we should say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2938">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► so there it turns out that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► planet with two races and the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► that the Runa seem kind of dasol is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► they have evolved from prey animals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► involved evolved as their predators and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► they look similar because that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► hunting method used by the historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► predators but the Janata have three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► claws instead of sort of five very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► dexterous fingers and when we meet one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► of them and it almost kills sandoz when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► we do we discovered that this planet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► far more complicated than they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► really anticipated and i like i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► when they're like with the with the Runa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► because I feel like yeah they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► they're so overwhelmed with meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► these people that they would they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► to kind of take it slow and i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► can buy that but at that moment when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► revelatory moments like oh this is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► more alien than we really expected and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► we finally we'll go to the city with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► it turns out that again Russell used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► the traditional kind of predator prey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► population balance which is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► scent of the population of this planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► generally the percentage of the ratio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► between predators and prey and and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► you put it when you layer that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► sentient creatures and this was a moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► that I really liked you realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► what you've constructed is a ruling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► class a very small ruling class and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► very large essentially slave or surf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► class and that's actually the culture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► ricotta and and not just a slave class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► but they're still pray they still needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► to us its candidate to us it feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► cannibalism because you've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► sentient you know races and one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► is eating the other but yeah we finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► learned that that's one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► that the population control is so rigid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► the rihanna the Runa are not allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► gathering uh apparently perfume scent is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► massively a massive part of this culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► and uh the Runa gather of the flowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► and the plants needed to create these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► perfumes and create these sense and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► generation kids that are better on bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► with butter chosen by John auto because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► they're all the breeding them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► yes yes exactly Jonna auto themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► are also under population control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► because they can't have too many of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► because they need to keep the balance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► the prey and the predator and so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► when she introduces a super pirate right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► he's a third yeah he's the third so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► meet him before he meets the humans and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► so we get we find out he's a third he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► can't have he can start his own family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► he really wants to he's really good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► you know finding trends and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► cashing in on it so it's supremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► wealthy but he's cool finder he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► super-wealthy is very successful but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► doesn't get any respect and he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► wants to start his own family and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► only way you can do that is if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► what's the the dead head guys name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► registrar I think oh yeah the rest are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► yeah you have to you don't impress him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► or do something worthy of being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► found your own family and so we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► that's his motive and so when he meets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► the humans we know a boy this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► going to turn out well but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► know that obviously and spoiler alert it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► doesn't know me he does he uses them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► his own he takes his time yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► that's right he uses he uses them but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► in the beginning using them is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► particularly terrible but there comes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► moment where he basically has to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► them out and does and without you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► compulsion yeah because he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► yeah I got what I wanted to get whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► I mean at that point she had been told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► he had made it would what seems like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► actual emotional connection with a and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► but she dies much earlier on and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► time that soup re-release actually sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► them out the only person left at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► point is Emilio whom he didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► care for to start with so I don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► like I don't feel like he's necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► convictions that he had because the fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► would have still been alive it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► have been a different story true it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► well in fact support you could argue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► is a be the thing that the NOC but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► got a with the other Janata is that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► so much he gets along so well with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► Runa and if you think if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► he is a member of a ruling class whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► greatest skill is dealing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► subjugated class and that is not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► right even if it makes him a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► businessman it means he is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► never be able to access high society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► because of that because he's his is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► of his skills are in dealing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► lower class of of people in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► the Runa and so when he meets and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► really really kind of bonds with her i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► believe that bond because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► that's what he's good at is meeting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► other kinds of people he's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► the anthropologist of the jama oughtta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► but the problem is the only way he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► gonna be able to further his line is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► be appointed as the head of a new family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► which means he's got his success thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► in the background and and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► off screen which I have a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► and and in the end he just goes another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► direction but I think that's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► interesting character because although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► he portrays them at the end I think I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► like that character because he's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► portrayed as being an outcast from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► jaw nada he's more like us than the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► of them are which i think is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► problems with them under estimating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► Janata as as a people is that the party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► and the wrong model for what they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► because he's the weird he's a weirdo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► definitely is a weird he's gone native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► essentially with the with Runa and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► and now with the humans and you know do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► not think that the rest of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► are like him because they are really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► yes they're their encounters with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► rest of Janata aren't the the free-range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► Jonathan ahead with City Jedi are not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► good no right no we are either because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► they're the roving bands who are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► I feel like I was like their loan motors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► and they just go in and poach and sadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► they poach some humans they do so let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► let me so one of my remember 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► ago ish when I read this book that I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► it my biggest complaint about it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► i felt like and i'm going to describe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► the way that I described it back then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► which is I felt like at some point she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► realized she needed to finish the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► and what who and what was a meandering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► leisurely walk through dialogue and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► aggressions and descriptions rapidly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► becomes a plot output to get to the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► yeah i buy it so this time this time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► watched for it and the fact is every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► chapter alternates between the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► timelines until the last two chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► and last two chapters are both in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► present-day the later timeline and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► describe everything that happened on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► planet in very short terms at a any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► completely different style than the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► of the book and it still frustrates me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► was wondering if I would be proven wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► and rereading it and instead I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► to vindicate its like I do feel driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► right I do feel like she ran out of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► the of energy and she wanted to finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► but I also i don't know whether this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► true or not but I also feel like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► she was a little cowardly about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► killing her characters because we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► see and DW get killed on screen and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► don't see the massacre that is the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► destruction of this mission to the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► thing that they've been leading up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► where everything goes wrong it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► incredibly dramatic thing and it is told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► in this perfunctory flashback fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► where we never really get to see it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► anything like the level of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► else we've seen up to that point and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► really frustrating it's made a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► more frustrating by the fact that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► sequel to this book which i also read 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► or 15 15 years ago and was disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► i have to say it turns out that perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► one of the reasons that she did this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► because she was cheating and she wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► to lie about exactly who died in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► massacre which is also frustrating but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► my point is my point is though that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► can't it seems to me as as a reader and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► maybe even as an editor you can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► going like 20 miles an hour taking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► all the sights and then when you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► floor it and that's what happens at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► end of this book i agree because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► I've been my school is starting again so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► you know I've been busy and rushed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► trying to read as best I could and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► i was i still have like 60 pages of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► book left to go at nine o'clock this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► evening and we started recording at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► ten-thirty my time and I'm thinking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► I don't know that i'll finish but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► going to try um yeah i was able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► through 60 pages in like 45 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► boom boom boom report report report yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► yeah it's not it's not your imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► i can i can come up with the reason i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► don't know if it's a good reason or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► but i'll try to explain it so i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► could mirror one could argue sandoz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► journey at the beginning of the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► reticent he does want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► anything he's thinking about remembering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► the good times on the planet right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► then as we're getting through there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► that revelatory moments where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► you were in a prostitute you were being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► gang-raped and he you know he admits it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► and it wasn't his fault he finally kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► ok wasn't my fault it wasn't anything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► could do I was raped and then you cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► there's that there's a pivotal moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► for him and he suddenly just starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► talking about what happens and reveals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► all these details and that's the last 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► pages of the book now I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► that's a good reason but that if i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► to write a paper explain the structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► of the book that sure what I would write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► yes i think is not that bad headcanon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► Scott but yeah there's a lot of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► particularly like where they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► farming because they need to to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► grow their own food and the arena [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► obviously pay attention although you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► know that this point we don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► the ruins are all that right but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► turns out that they are they are as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► bright as the regular people they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► have you know that they're aliens so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► they do things differently and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► notice that the farming and so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► like gee why do we keep trudging so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► away to get our food when we can grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► and they start doing it and then of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► course that least horrible things i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► should point out horrible beatings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► civil war and what they have done is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► also this incredible to put in Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► terms violation of the prime directive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► where the presence it turns out all as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► careful as they sort of were being they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► ruin this society because they the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► room and begin to plant gardens and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► they have an overpopulation and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► means the general artist and out squads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► to kill them and there's a moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► one of the human says there are more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► of of us than there are of you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► that's like oh no because the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► power power structure is based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► fact that these predators I have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► yeah and and the room to start chanting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► that writes when the gentleman's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► squad is there and the gentle kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► freaked out it just said ok we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► there's the first massacre yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► starts the Civil which its powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► right because it is that moment of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3657">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► this is actually being held in balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► by this consensual hallucination that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► the predators and prey who have evolved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► together in the society has evolved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► together are in these roles and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► people from another planet come in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► say hey you realize there's way more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► you than them you could take them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► well yeah okay that's it forget it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► they totally screw up this society and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► really appreciated that there could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► been more of that too I feel like if she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► had taken those last two chapters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► just let them go at the pace of the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► of the book it would have been a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► book for my taste but instead it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► of like somebody was given to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► wrap-up sign maybe her agent maybe her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► publisher was like you need to turn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► the manuscript right and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► it's it's it's dramatic but I love a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► about this book i was happy to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► the characters are indelible the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► the alien culture is interesting the yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► the how they get there in the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► it's eight people in an asteroid from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► the society of jesus that make first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► contact this kind of kind of ludicrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► and in one way but it's the story she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► wants to tell because she wants to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► a Jesuit mission out to a new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► having a a experience meeting people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► that they've never met before and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► the purpose of the book so that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► she does and there's so many somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► moments in this book that works so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► but the problem is that they work so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► well because they are gut-wrenching yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► and I the one that sticks out to be is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► so after the slaughter the Janata patrol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► cakes sandoz and the other another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► priest Robicheaux that the survivors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► yes that they're the two survivors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► they're gonna take it back to the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► but before they do that they are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► to talk them through the the ruin of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► villages that they're gonna go kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► people in because of the gardens that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► they have planted and it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► that's on the road they eat the babies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► of the Runa and they offer the food to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► the two humans and the the one priest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► refuses to eat it and he dies and centos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► it does eat it because he wants to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► and let you know in the the 26 t-storm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► one of the characters asks and what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► there something that you ate that mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► didn't that maybe that explains his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► significance of that line until you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► the flashback and you're like oh man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► yep this book well I mean Shannon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► America know that I am I am drawn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► those uh those darker episodes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► Babylon 5 on their podcast there that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► part of the appeal of this book to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► that it it does it go so horribly wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► and you feel for these characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► although i don't enjoy how wrong is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► going to sound like I'm looking on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► I appreciate the fact that that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► has made me feel so horrible for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► characters that I like about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► terrible situation that they're put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► and it's just it's so yeah it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► amazing that that's part of look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► sandoz this is all about his kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► life of his soul and the disposition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► his soul and he thinks that he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► failure as a priest and then he finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► finds his calling and then the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► thing goes so horribly wrong that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► end you know all of these terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► things happen to him that and and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► really is that you're left with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► question of force and O's can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► overarching question which is can he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► believe in God anymore after being being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► shown the possibility and then having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► all of it taken away and i do mean all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► because a yeah they're reading this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► second time around it it it hit me again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► just help had just Russell's pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► just taking the knife and just turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► it like a corkscrew because you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► um you know that you've got the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► issue of sandoz essentially being sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► into this up into this into this leaders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► brothel as you know as an attraction as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► you know an unusual exotic uh a partner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► for people to rape you've got the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► that he misunderstands what sapori asks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► of him he safari actually asks him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► you know I want to take you into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► house I want to make you my dependent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► and uses a word that sandoz does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► parse the pieces of until later and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► missions where basically yet try to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► cut out between the bones of hand so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► the two priests have these like claws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► and as you said because the other priest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► has been refusing to eat the the Runa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► corpses them he dies but you know of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► operation but sandoz lives through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► and then he finally gets to a one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► where he thinks he's finally met the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► singer the person who has been producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► this music and it's like okay it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► brought me all of this is worth all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► one thinks the guy's a prophet he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► praising god and he finds out know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► guys music is basically about orgasms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► and pornography and it's like how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► worse can you make his rape and his rape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► victims of which sandoz is now one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► mean that that is how horrible this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► thing gets is but the sender's they find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► this beautiful music from across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► universe and they go to find it and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► the end Santos finds the beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► fist who rapes him and the songs turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► out to be about the rapes that he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► I mean it's horrible like that is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► so horrible it is so good and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► comical there's there are many chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► were ascending was talking about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► know his vow of chastity and if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► worth it and it's tricky to introduce ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► decide who makes a very conscious effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► at decision know it that oath is sacred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► to me and i cannot even though i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► stranded on this planet and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► woman who loves me and I love her and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► and Sophia clearly love that each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► yeah yeah I'm not going to do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► then you know it just makes it all worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► yeah and the the fact that it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► end you know he's he's really left with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► a choice which we don't get to see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► make but Santos has to decide okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► was this really all you know is there no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► God and this was all my fault all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► horrible things happen just because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► made this mistake and set it all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► motion or is there really a god and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► actually God's fault that all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► LOL awful stuff happened to me and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► wanted and yeah like so so what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► what too horrible things to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► choose between sick you do really come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► to an understanding of of why he is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► messed up all the way through the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► but yeah I was halfway through he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► having the same kind of discussion with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► an who is throwing that exact question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► in his face you know if you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► these you know why is it why do we thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► god for the good things and then blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► ourselves to blame the doctor or blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► you know driver whoever has a rant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► that whole thing that she and little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► basically says yes and 0 says you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► what if you want to blame God go for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► you know at least believing in God again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► but yeah go for it if that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► need do it and you know rest we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► the end of the book and he's facing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► same choice only now there's nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► because he's surrounded by other Jesuit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► priests who are trying to get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► there is no one around there who has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► guts to tell him if that's what you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► to go for it i do think in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► thinking about 20 years later and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► reading at twenty years later the one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► the things that this book does i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► quite well is portray a person who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► suffering from a horrendous case of post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► traumatic stress disorder that Santos is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► a broken destroyed man in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► 2060 timeframe and over the course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► the book you see them the people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► Jesuits trying to find a way anyway that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► some of them want to get information out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► of them and some of them just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► help him like move along and progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► because he's clearly utterly destroyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► he is a destroyed person and over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► course of the book he does get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► and it is slow and painful and he has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► and I really this time through i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► appreciated that part of it that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► I didn't twenty years ago about how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► has to come to terms with this awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► thing that happened to him and he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► he's sick and bed he throws up he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► take PS horrible headaches all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► stuff and I thought that was really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► handled about his progression and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► for the longest time he doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► anything about the braces they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► created to help his hands that the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► that they hurt because he feels like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► we'll finally one of the other priests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► realize you know look we can do better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4198">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► than that an amazing moment where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► finally finally complains about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► painful they are they realize how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► painful they are and they immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► sent for somebody and like within six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► months he has brand new ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► much better and then don't cause him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► pain and that are more functional but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► for for a long time he doesn't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► about it because he figures like yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► yeah I guess life is pain yeah one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► that I will say on that side of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► that did not work for me was we had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► these characters in you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► asteroid known rakaat who are very full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► of life and and I just I had trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► telling the priest apart i would I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► forgetting a bunch of gray men in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► priestly outfits in italy in 2060 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► yeah there's a guy isn't bad priest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► the priest from Cleveland and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► maybe because it's the second time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► around I i had a little easier time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► that certainly with the one who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► antagonistic almost the entire way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► through the book versus the one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► that you know are brought because either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► they are skilled in psychology or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► caring to try and get back to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► because you know they bring in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► priest that became a priest because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► knew amelia was a child and Emilio as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► priest was a role model for this guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► then there's of course the the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► was apparently married a stockbroker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► then you know he has a car crash the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► wife dies and he decides to become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► priest and he took he's been like cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► keep track of like that brother Edward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► interchangeable for me i can see damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► characterization brother Edward now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► you're right they're sort of sober uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► figures who are kind of battling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► their own politics about this and I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► not sure we needed mean they have a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► Inquisitor kind of figure who is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► the guy who's the the ketamine priest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► who doesn't believe him and that was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► that was like my least part of the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► thing was the the the guy who's like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► doesn't believe anything and it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► back to the fact that I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► ridiculous that they just assumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► terrible behavior on centos is pardoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► and had no even consideration that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► were other stories to tell here but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► agree a hundred percent that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► vibrancy of ricotta and that and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► whole mission there is really contrasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► with this kind of emptiness maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► know some of that is because because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► Santos is so broken but you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► those characters are not particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► notable I like the time-dilation thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► mean that is one of the science things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► that she used to great effect the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► that although Santos only only you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► is a way for a couple of years in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► yeah 40 years passes 22 get there in 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► back because they're there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► traveling at half the speed of light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► essentially for the voyage agent I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► thought that was good use of actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► science and made the plot made the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► that he's coming back to a world he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► never somebody points out at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► very late in the book you've never asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► what happened in the time that you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► on and he says something like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► I don't care anymore her just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► amazing but it's a good use of that site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► second rope and and the one thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► didn't mention as they send him like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► UN people find them and they send them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► definitely should not read through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► it's just like I think can anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► he's gone through a whole this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► now he has to spend months and months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► and months alone with his hands like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► infected and nearly dying on the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► yeah to get back to an inquisition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► basically yeah people are very angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► with him and a world that thinks he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► awful awful person and I like the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► where you know they've been sending all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► these scholarly papers to our thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► heartbreakingly at at least you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► publicly you know my work is living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► through my published scholarly papers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► and they're like what we didn't publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► the decomposed that's not terrible like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► they learn they learned everything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► these alien languages and they sent back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► all these papers that's what they spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► their you're doing is writing up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► these things not just the languages i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► mean they were sending back stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► everything they were experts in yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► if they buried the the Jesuits buried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► the whole thing it's just it's it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► oh well this is this is a this is a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► first-contact experience that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► really really wrong and yeah interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► interesting story but memorable enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► that that I've been talking about it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► the last 20 years and I know that when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► mentioned it to other people who've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► it they're like oh yeah right including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► Shannon and Scott's oh yeah and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► should be so enthusiastically we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► hoodwinked Erica in 20 my batting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► average for these book club episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► pretty low sorry sorry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► this one yeah yeah I i I'd like to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► you I i would have warned you off if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► thought you wouldn't like this one but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► i don't think i would have done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► because I I think so highly of it so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► sorry didn't mean had read eight any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► description of it whatsoever would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► known if known you noticed it was simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► that i went in cold and then just stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► yeah and i was explaining this book to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► maressa because i was like i told her oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► you should read this is a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4509">TS</a>]
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01:15:12 ◼ ► I reread it and then I thought maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► exploiting the plots of her she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4515">TS</a>]
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01:15:19 ◼ ► like Scott and you know many people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► this book but through maybe not you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► Eric many people admire this book i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► i would say yeah i would say in my case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► having read through the second time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► admire this book i love some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► characters i love a lot of it but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► a powerful read this for good or ill its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► power them migrate it won many awards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► when it was released yes and I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► it's very I think it's very well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► although again I feel like the contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► between the whole book in the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► chapters is striking was like oh okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► we're not doing that anymore but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► stuff that the detail is is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► amazing and the characters in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► dialogue and it's all and she does some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► pretty good prognostication a few parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► in terms of what life is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► like just about to say that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► 2016 in this book is not too far off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► not so bad in theory a television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► adaptation is coming from a sec that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► what they say although that would that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► was a that was a 2014 announcement so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► may be in turn around just like the Brad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► Pitt optioning of it in 2006 although i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► think it would make much more sense as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► leg we say about so many books that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► read much more sense as a a TV limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► series where you could get you need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► length you need you need that length to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► tell this this kind of story because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► means to build up so that the downfall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► yeah well said yeah maybe that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► the basic structure of the story so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► know it's a tragedy tragedy for sure i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► mean this is this is a guy spends his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► entire life looking for evidence of God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and God finally starts to show it to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► and goes yonk never liked you much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► that's right that's well that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► in terms of the Bible right there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► those there are their stories not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► take it back to job but you know stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► of people who was like well part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► test is maybe it's terrible for you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► you still have to believe in me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► that's just how that's the definition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► faith right you keep believing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► though it is difficult and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► other amazing thing about this book for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► me is that you know there'd whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► your opinions of religion are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► Jesuits in history actually did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► kind of thing they did lessons on a boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and they cross the ocean they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► know where they were going just to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► what was out there and to hopefully you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► know turns people into followers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► Christ but mostly enlist for the change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► what's the expanding knowledge was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► a big part of it and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► crazy to me and a lot of them yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► a lot of them would would end up dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► horribly and not return as they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► die or or having much like in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► horrible things happen to them and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► they they go back they recuperate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► then they go back to the same places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► yeah guess what horrible things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► yeah yeah absolutely it's a yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► it's a thought-provoking book it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► that I that I really appreciate I I my I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► think you could also something we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► even talk on too much as if you believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► this as these as these Jesuits do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► there knowing God by visiting God's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► other children that's another horror of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► this book right the fact that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► on this world this small group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► creatures is preying upon this larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► group of creatures it in a way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► fundamentally you would say a evil set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► up an evil organization here and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► I that kind of calls into question like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► it's not just why do bad things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► to the humans on this world but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► like why is this world awful to in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► different way than ours so now there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► so much here if you like to be doing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► you want to be sad and depressed and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► check it out its parent told in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► beautiful way and it is it is i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► everybody now who has listened to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► is a very good idea if they should read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► it or not I think Erica you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► listen to this podcast before you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► this book and find your TARDIS if only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► will set it back in time before we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► I'm going to very quickly ask if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► anything else that you've read recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► that you would like to mention to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► listeners because that's a fun thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► that we do Scott anything that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► yes i have a spin spending some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► reading some historical fiction which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► will skip over but there are two scifi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► books that I've read as of late that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► enjoyed one is called dark matter by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► Blake croch he wrote some TV series that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► i never watched wayward Pines i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► yeah I or he wrote the books that it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► based on whatever this book dark matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► is about this physicist who basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► figures out a way of traveling through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► consequences happen it's interesting i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► it's a an easy read and it is once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► figure out oh it's a multiverse thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► you think you know how it's going to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► but it doesn't end the way you think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► does which is always good and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► kind of more sci-fi in space book that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► read was dark run by Mike Brooks which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► is the first in a series which I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► know when i started reading that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► always annoying but it's fun another fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► quick syfy read that i enjoyed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► before you start reading it you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► realize it's the first in a series at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► some darkness there you got dark dark I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► don't like alphabetically by title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► yeah I i'm just going through all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► dark books now Erica something i'm under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► anything you're reading that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► mention uh well i did recently read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► book called damaged goods which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► Russell T Davis's first foray into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► world of dr. Kalam which I wasn't a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► fan of it if you're interested in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► one very did an episode on that i'll say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► I liked it better than the sparrow are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► huh I also more for fun and actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► recommendation i finally got around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► reading the fourth and final book of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► magic ex libris series by jesse hines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► called revisionary and it was aight i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► put it off because they did not want hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► series to be done and i knew when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► finish this last book which was the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► book that I wasn't gonna have anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► but i finally got around to doing it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4917">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► I i think that he he wrapped it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► nicely somewhere in one of the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► before this the world comes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► realization that there is actually magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► up there and I think that he does a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► job of thinking through the possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► ramifications of what would happen if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► that were the case and you had magic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► one side and technology and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► side and then you know the horribleness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► of people in politicians and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► kind of stuff and and the books overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► kind of light and fun but he sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► doesn't pull punches with with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► would happen if it's like that it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► to some dark places as well but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbPz7lA/4953">TS</a>]
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