00:00:00 ◼ ► this episode of the uncomfortable is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► all-in-one platform that makes it fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► and easy to create your own professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► website or online portfolio for a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/9">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► squarespace.com and use offer code smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/14">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► the incomparable number 185 Morris 2014 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/17">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► welcome back to the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► I'm your host Jason snail and when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/34">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► were coming up with the idea for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/36">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► podcast those many years ago i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► have a tweet somebody suggested we do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► Babylon 5 episode my said absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/42">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► we're absolutely gonna do it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/45">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► we are going to do it before we hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► number 200 but yeah i took a while but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/49">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► we ate it's finally happening i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► gathered together people i know who like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/55">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► me watched all of and treasurer Babylon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/57">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► series written by J michael Straczynski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► starring a large and rotating cast of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► people telling an epic story that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/71">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► meant to go for five years except the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► kind of crammed into four because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► were afraid they were going to cancelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/77">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► and then they didn't get cancelled so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/78">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► ok let's still some other stories now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/81">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► but anyway I have a look back on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► series with great fondness it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► watching some episodes back i was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► i really enjoyed it was reminded why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► love it so much so we're gonna talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► about Babylon 5 and joining me to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/95">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► reference area not kohai the war the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/102">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► I think knew they were doomed where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► another race with surrender to despair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► the humans fought back with greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► think they made them in body fight for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► every inch of space in my life I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/115">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► never seen anything like it they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► weep they would pray they would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► goodbye to the left ones and then throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► themselves without fear or hesitation at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/124">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► the very face of death itself never said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► hi Jason behind you got everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/130">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► yes Erika and sign I heard your voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/135">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► I was just gonna say i am not the one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► don't like I did not know that uh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► uh that when when we met and I recruited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► you for this podcast that you were about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/152">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► 15 you were so this is a a unexpected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/153">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► bonus area so that's the real that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/156">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► of us I think chips other things out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/161">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► there you've heard him on many doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/163">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► who related topics especially I bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/166">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► him in he's my doctor who ringer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► turns out that chip and Erica and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/169">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► don't know others are doing a Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► podcast that should be coming out soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► shaka-laka-laka oh man that was not my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► favorite moment but anyway yes I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► references knowledge references miloge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/186">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► ason it's good to have you here and mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► garden berg it's a michael greenberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► he's back we talk about wrath of khan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► with him a while ago and he was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► on my Babylon 5 list we finally made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/199">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► hello in tools any Jason and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► like I will I don't want to say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► incomparable is my second favorite thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► oh and uh and my my my next guest is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/214">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► sorry there are known next guesses math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► not satra skill that was my reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/222">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► you see because I didn't have a neutral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► to do either way it is very bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► zarus so let me it's ok Jason anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/232">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► after Andy where we were all gasping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► air after that only not pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► really yeah yeah you know I was either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► dysentery lightbulb joke and I decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► you know you know what were we watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► four episodes I'm and I'm going to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► you what they were and we always just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/254">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► obviously we've seen all of them maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► even multiple times but we for as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► refresher I think we all had our service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/260">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► i meant to watch four episodes 1-4 me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► the first four seasons just to remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/264">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► ourselves a little bit and be fresh for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/266">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► this i wanted to mention those since you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► mentioned this the dynamic especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► between londo and shekhar and we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/272">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► we'll get into the characters but um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/274">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► there's a there's a reference that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► Babylon 5 reference that my family that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/278">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► in my house still gets made is from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/280">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► episode where the condo in shikahr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/284">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► mondo mondo is just shouting and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► like can anyone hear me into courses for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/292">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► we still do that I thought I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► you're talking about all that beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/299">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► last line with her heard the car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► finally realizes that his plan to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► that doesn't allow Londo to die like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/305">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► just didn't didn't work and I excuse me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► a longer than I hate my life or do I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/311">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► thought you're gonna go with so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/318">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► fishes are no fish left in the seed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► longer when you come on my spoon is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/321">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► getting kind of serious its roots about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► these little well-done better fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/328">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► storylines came out in the the mid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/336">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► late nineties it was a new age no that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/339">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► not what i was going to say so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/345">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► references here to pack and we watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► midnight on the firing line from season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► one in the shadows are doing from season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► 2 interludes and examinations from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► season three and no surrender no retreat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/357">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► from season four will talk about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► but we are going to do a non-spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► section where we talk about why we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/362">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► Babylon 5 without getting into so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► details about where the show goes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► terms of its story and and so don't if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/368">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► you're thinking about all the sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/372">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► interesting maybe i'll watch the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/374">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► sometime stick around at least until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/375">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► spoiler horn i ask you and um I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/377">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► know where what do you guys think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► characters I mean that that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► watching these four episodes back is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/385">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► storyline was not interesting but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► like you know I I immediately start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► thought oh londo and shekhar and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► john sheridan and delenn and veer who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► obviously a windows 8 who is played for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/405">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► until you realize he's actually quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► great character and not just a joke at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► all and so many other mr. Garibaldi and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► security chief Zach and dr. Franklin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► a lot just and ivana of course what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► crazy character Susan fond of the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► command and I so I think we should start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/430">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► there and just you know if it about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► these characters because i think in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► hindsight the story arc of Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► groundbreaking to do tell the story over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/440">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► the course of a lot a long time you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/442">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► a lot of attention but you know you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► may become for the story arc but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/447">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► gotta stay for the characters and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► characters especially that long ago in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► your car pairing of the two ambassadors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/452">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► from you know lifelong enemy the alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► that's what stuck with me and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► what felt like home when I watch these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/461">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► episodes back especially compared where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► they wind up to where they start off I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► have to I have to admit that I toilet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/468">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► full no no my candidacy of a dick i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/470">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► simply selling the point as a bullet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► point feature on the side of the body's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/476">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► got excellent is that is that characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► evolve you don't have simply that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► was nobody whispering into michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/482">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► Straczynski is here now remember we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/484">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► don't know in what order people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/486">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► everything and if your characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► typical well they don't have to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/491">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► understanding of who they are and i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► to admit that I think that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/496">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► most of the brilliant things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/498">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► show was that that I hated the the pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► because each of these bitches characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/503">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► is sort of the science-fiction archetype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► and of course i had to do pre pre you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► know internet podcast i had my oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► oh good so you got the Vulcans who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► like all like peaceful and whatnot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► then you got the kid the characters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► are clear that you've gotten are clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► the Klingons and then ok great another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► black border race and then the open then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/524">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► not knowing until like long long after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/528">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► that that no this is wherever this he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► started I think he populated this pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► with art with that those kind of tropes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► so that he would have room to move them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► around on the chessboard later on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► it wasn't until I think was you Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► who was the the strongest voice saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/544">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► no dude you had season 2i know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► you're talking about it's much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/550">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► now that got me absolutely hooked on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/551">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► season two so it's that evolution that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/555">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► you know even even when we were i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/557">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► watching like a half-dozen or dozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/559">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► episodes over the past week or so to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► that I see the pilot then I see season 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► season 3 season 4 and just saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► all man if I could tell this character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/568">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► honey you have no idea what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/572">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► what's gonna happen to you next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/574">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► how interesting it is that you felt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► way right now so that that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/577">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► signature a great feature of the shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► in fact it's it's very clear from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► first season and the way that story goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► that he and he set justice since he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► set these characters on a path for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► to be everything that they didn't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/593">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► to be and that we didn't expect them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► be like there's no no character goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► especially the alien characters that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► expect to be these archetypes but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► humans they all have a story arc and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► they all are leading somewhere that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► unexpected that it that isn't a counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► to all of the expectations from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► usual sci-fi kind of trope absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► and on top of that the get a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► character development comes from pitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► it's not it's not a star trek scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/624">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► where the a single monolithic cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► weekend if the characters are changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► that's an unexpected bonus because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► episodic television but jakar vs Londo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► the cost versus well costumers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/641">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► whatever agenda it is that he is playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/648">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► out the secret villains who show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/649">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► it's it's it's very our care heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► storytelling and you might and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► plots intricate is it heavily plotted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/660">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► character a once this character be with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► is willing to stop character a what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► happens next and that's the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► just makes me eat up this show with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► it's the evolution of these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/677">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► as they evolve over the four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/678">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► they're not the same people we met early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/681">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► on or or who we thought we met early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/684">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► you know londo and in some of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/687">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► episodes comes across as just sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► buffoon you know who's going to take him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/692">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► Sinclair doesn't necessarily come off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► and he's clearly no Captain Picard or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► you know everyone changes on and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/703">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► relationships change i'm close friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► are suddenly not you know not so close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► by the end of the park and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/712">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► tremendous consistency through the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► which again is a no person driving crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► the inconsistencies are going back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/722">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► watching this episode again just start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► wow there's things here that totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/730">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► don't make any sense you would notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/733">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► until season to season three yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► that was all flat-out just subtle little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► things that you know when you hit you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/740">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► oh yeah I remember that from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► reference makes particular sense and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/748">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► kept doing that consistently he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/751">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► afraid to shuffle the deck from time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► surprise or two at us from time to time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► and I think even the way they resolved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► it you know it kind of got to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/764">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► where it's sort of like okay I get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► you know it's this is the this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/767">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► okay we've seen this before you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/769">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► it's good versus evil and then we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/770">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► a point like well what was it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/772">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► about before we get too far off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► I can say that the consistency of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► character i think also comes through its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► they had as you all said amazing arcs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► characters definitely developed but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► recently went through and did an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► rewatch of the whole five years and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► jumped back to watch the first episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/799">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► midnight on the firing line for this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/801">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► characters are still the same people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/807">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► Londo in the first episode is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/811">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► different from the londo and the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/813">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► episode he really has a very big change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► to his personality but it's a natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/818">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► development it's not like the writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► came in and very clinically changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► character to suit the narrative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► called a character development which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/827">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► sometimes see this you look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► Lando and you can going back it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► oh wow this is young Londo this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/832">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► is him as a kid not really a kid but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/835">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► before he experienced everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► there's a scene in I is it no surrender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/839">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► no retreat where we're lond assisted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/843">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► it's been a bad year for the difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► here and you can see these four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/850">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► have been you know momentous and has its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/851">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► acknowledgement of that and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/857">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► look back to the beginning you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► it that the these these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► change as a result of the the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/862">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► happens to them in the story which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► you know that's how it's supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► and that is how it is with a lot of TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/868">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► benchmark in it when Babylon 5 came on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► Generation essentially the only show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/875">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► that was that had been on for any length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► of time it was a sci-fi show and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► all standalone episodes as were most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► mainstream dramas at this time so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► tell this story and and tell it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► time and let those characters grow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/890">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► change and not reset every week was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/891">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► pretty dramatic but even Nick mark shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/894">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► like lost great the characters kinda for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► the most part don't change least they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/899">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► didn't to me they were all more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► the same they go through some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► evolution here you have characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/904">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► really evolved on and sometimes changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/905">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► and changing again because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► we all do like as they're reacting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/911">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► constantly changing around them and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/914">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► it's even more than that i'd like to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/920">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► what you and Jason are saying and raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► it's not just about what's happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► choices that the characters make our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► Londo in particular are in in in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► respects he is his story is possibly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► axis around which the whole the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/936">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► characters if not all of them something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► happens and they react to it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► make a decision and that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► things that Stravinsky seem to talk up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/948">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► lot when he was speaking letting fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► behind the curtain about what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/955">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► trying to do is that these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/956">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► these characters change as a result of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► the decisions the good ones and the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► ones that they make and most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/963">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► characters are allowed to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/966">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► pretty horrible decisions not breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► bad level decision its but it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/968">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► they they are allowed to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► mistakes and after it clean up their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► messes or be manipulated into making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► decisions which happens quite a lot but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► that's that's a signature for me for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► four great storytelling where don't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► let a character walk away from something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/985">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► they did because that's going to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/986">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► behavior is going to change the behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► of people around them and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► exclusive to Babylon 5 I still I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► hold up the shield is probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► single greatest continuous drama on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/996">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► television and imagine the magical thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► about that show is that it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► the pilot episode it everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► repercussions from the first what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► happens in the first episode and Babylon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► yeah it's it's a I mean I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► overstate it but because Babylon 5 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► not the first add a lot of this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► but it was one of the first and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► how Joe Straczynski uh took this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► that was a back it was a pilot a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► movie with no serious commitment on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► network that wasn't a network and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► had the fortitude to say i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► tell a five-year story and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► he actually did get to tell five your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► it's kind of amazing but he'll that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► there from the beginning on syndicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► no less right almost every episode every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► I just meant everything in every just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► about every episode was yeah totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► written by him in fact was some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► through the things that red was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► was a couple of episodes but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► appear to be ad-libs and someone asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► him you know like one of those Adam goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► there's no ad-libbing on my show every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► word is as i wrote it was meant to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► there you know yeah we do not tolerate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► dilemma in the last three years I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► there was one episode he didn't write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► which was the neil game in neil gaiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1076">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► episode in the fifth year before before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Neil Gaiman get started on as a doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► who writer he guest-starred as a Babylon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► 5 writer in the fifth season is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► questionable economical or in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► it's sort of like to watch something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► my mind it ended after four seasons is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► there was there a word and fandom for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► like the the times where there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► episode or a whole season where we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► just decided well that was a dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► sequence that didn't actually happen if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► there is no phantom in the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► where everybody agrees on anything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► the Phantom at the Phantom Menace I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► think we can all agree never took place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► nope i like the Phantom minutes okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► there you go it's your personal cannon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► that uh that that you know I like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► believe the buffy the vampire slayer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► ended after five years and then she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► a dream and she was dying of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► musical and then that was being but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► is not the case they did make seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► this isn't about the opposite i wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► to say I'm we should talk a while we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► still being general and not blowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► spoiler horn one of the notable things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► about Babylon 5 is it was it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► first I show to make a great use of CGI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► which we now think of as sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► everything use CGI even all the non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► sci-fi shows you CGI to do compositing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► and things but Babylon 5 was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► space show where the spaceships were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► or at least the first mainstream show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► everything is done in a computer at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► their computer models the 3d models star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► trek used the old school way of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► this week it was it was a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► after jurassic park but on a TV budget a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► a very small looking at some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► sets a small TV budget to do what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► did with their graphics and over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► course of time and kept getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► when they started it was like a light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► on anamika but by the time I remember I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► remember seeing a scene and being blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► away by it and it actually is in no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► surrender no retreat there's a scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► where Sharon standing at the at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► front of the bridge of a spaceship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► the and out the windows you can see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► space battle is going on in the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► is not locked down and it's moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► around and panning and the space battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► moves with it and there's perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► change and I remember seeing that gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► and because they did not commit that day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► they didn't do that more guys with after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► effects on max because i actually went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and saw them do this doing that frame by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► frame and now you know that happens on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► every TV show but back then that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► like the first time you saw stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► that on TV and so that's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► thing about this show too is that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► of the cgi looks really dated now but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► mean by the time deep space nine got off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► Star Trek was using CGI for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► everything that was the big debate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► know among the geeks you know models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► episodes and you go you know modern CJ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► you can go out that looks real now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► look at Babylon 5 no that's pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► CGI it's a video game looks like a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► right yeah it's it's not on par with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► know an iphone graphic he says yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► cgi was actually what kept me from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► getting into the show for as long as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► sort of held out that the way I came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► Babylon 5 was summer in the second or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► third season i think it was and we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► deep space nine night I was in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► and I would go to my our my friends Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► suggest dorm room and we would watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► deep space nine every Sunday think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► sunday and there was this other show on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► before it called Babylon 5 and we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► always catch the end of it the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► people you know they put back-to-back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► shade and although we cannot guarantee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► program so many we catch a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► ridiculous show look at those stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► looking ships that we made fun of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► then as time went on i would get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► earlier and earlier and we would catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► more of this other show and suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► realize like actually this just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► good and then after a few more weeks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► that deep space nine night became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► Babylon 5 night and we stopped watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► kid you not that that was that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► was another reason why was Babylon 5 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► so much more exciting than any star trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► series because only in retrospect after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► seeing a couple seasons about 15 did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► realize that like I think the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► i like the enterprise and Starfleet were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► so big on like we we must say you click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► on high commander we must settle this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► dramatically because we cannot afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► animate separates battled just keep your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► ship exactly where it is don't move and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► just keeping the viewscreen whereas this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► Babylon 5 you can actually have well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► let's see there are multiple alien races [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► i bet each one of them would have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► different style ship and Babylon 5 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► the first one that made me realize you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► can't wait a minute how come we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► seen since the hum Starfleet doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► have a fighter ships anything with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► never send it like it's like you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► have like one of those dogfights like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► enjoyed in Star Wars and every every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► series before that not only that but its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► star flee all ships I had to fly on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► single right you know that that you yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► you have starch you have star ships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► approaching each other they're the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► angle and all the other stuff meanwhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► Babylon 5 you have ships that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► actually respecting the laws of physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► the star Furies that were introduced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► that first episode midnight on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► yeah the animations a little primitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► by today's standards but you see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► flipping around and flying backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► using their own inertia to take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► other ships and things like that it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► and I don't wanna I don't want to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► this into a star trek vs Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► things because i am i'm a big star trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► fan and I grew up on the original series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► i love the next generation and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► i I don't I think there's a the fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► like to fight about things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► words but yeah very big shock also known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► as having opinions Jason can't we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► there are just so different yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► just so different shows you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► compare and that was my point exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► which is what i like what i loved about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► Babylon 5 was all the ways that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► wasn't like Star Trek and that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► mean that I didn't like Star Trek but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► what I like about Babylon 5 is it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► pushed a lot of buttons that Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► didn't things that I remember from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► reading lots of sci-fi novels as a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► weren't things I saw in Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► because Star Trek was the way that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► had been set up in the sixties by Gene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► Roddenberry was gonna be that in Babylon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► I think purposefully because joseph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► kosinski also a giant star trek fan was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► trying to do stuff that Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► couldn't he knew he was gonna be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► know an alternative to star trek he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► didn't want to be star trek and he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► got tired of getting compared to and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► think so I you can like you can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► them both but the reason I like b5 has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► lot more to do with all the ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► it's not Star Trek rather than it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► like which one is the better Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► Deep Space nine or Babylon 5 because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► it's a completely false comparison time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1480">TS</a>]
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00:25:15 ◼ ► it was basically impossible for app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1515">TS</a>]
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00:25:19 ◼ ► performing once they got shipped you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► know spend all your time doing internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1521">TS</a>]
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00:26:18 ◼ ► sponsoring the incomparable the epic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► so that I was actually watching it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► actually and a Babylon 5 that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► watching that ended just as you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► starting guess we're starting the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► was intersections in real-time and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► would note no snow spoilers of that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► isn't a spoil everything but both both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► generation had the episode in which a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► high-profile character is interrogated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► for the entire yes and I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► reason that it i think that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► episode of Babylon 5 really in caps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► encapsulate why i happen to prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► Babylon 5 because you know if the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► one with the one with the weekend we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► spoil the next generation this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► exactly screw the likes o the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► inquisitors like well you know I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► to have to interrogate you like this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► know that I was raised a scientist you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► know I was a small boy who chased frogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► and glum before and I have my I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► teacher named mr. like that just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► the interrogators opening up to him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► talking all this stuff and the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► episode is about how pacar gets over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► Inquisitor in his place and gets rescued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► and says defiantly there are fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► lights or whatever it is he says through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► those parts and got rest with Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► it's like no you don't understand he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► this characters being interrogated by an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► experienced interrogator in a facility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► where they do nothing but interrogate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► enemies all day long if the if if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► characters they there's nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► this situation that they don't control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► this character is completely screwed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► anytime that they that he's happy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► only because they have manipulated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► things to make him feel happy and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► end of the episode maybe you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► find out that this is the it's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► this is the point which I'm like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► standing up and applauding because I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► generation but again if what the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► when that that series disappointed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► was when it seemed as though there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► storyline that said well this obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► has to end this way because this there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► absolutely no way in hell that this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► storyline is going to end with a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► who grew up in a hundred thousand year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► old civilization where they euthanize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► everybody 865 is suddenly going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► that's not gonna work that's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► happen oh wait that's exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► happened ok again I don't know for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► getting into spoiler territory or but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► even the changes between who's running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► that modified between the first season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► in the second season second season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► started like the healthy but what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► hell's going on here because there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► no explanation given whatsoever we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► didn't come to understand the reasoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► why things happened until much later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► and of course you know being a cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► person figured I can a lot of so unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► they had a contract dispute or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► the others they're just going to pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► that there are you know to Darrin's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► bewitched you mentioned you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► lost earlier and I mean this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► the facts of any long-running TV shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► you're gonna have casting problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► are not story problems and you know la [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► lost probably have some story problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► too i love i love lost I you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► it's that's just my cross to bear but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► the fact is they uh they also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► mankind is born into trouble surely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► sparks fly upward and some people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► to have to buy the DVD some people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► to buy the blu rays of loss tonight i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► have them but you know that my point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► a casting is also a problem and so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► Babylon 5 you did have actors who had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► leave and they had to get you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► think since go is called the trop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► trapdoors he had trapdoors there that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► could he could pull if he needed to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► one of them was Michael hair had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► leave after the first season I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1798">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► that it's come out in in recent years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► that he was struggling with mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► illness and they kept it quiet but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and he got through that season but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► needed to not be on the show anymore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► then you also the examples like Oh Talia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► winters that actress wanted out and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► they wrote her out and claudia christian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► county and claudia christian had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► contract negotiation problem and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► know that it happened as they went and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► and some of that stuff just happens on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► TV that's just that's just how it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and you know audiences get sad about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► I i was gonna let's fire off the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► how about that we set a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► unless you guys how are you you before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► we do that you want to talk a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► more about you know reasons that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► like the show or do you think we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► spoiler territory right I'd be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► oh and i hate to bring this up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► this is the age old doctor who question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► but if people are interested in it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► to start because i know many people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► not super fun of the first season and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► I am NOT one of those people i thought i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► was a couple years ago I was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► yeah for season was crap but when I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► back and rewatch the whole thing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► time I i found myself going oh wait i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► liked this episode we have this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► really good too so i'm actually now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► staunch defender of the first season but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► i think a lot of that may come from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► fact that i watched the rest of it so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► can see kind of where it's going and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► just wondering like I said I jumped in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► the first time around in the second or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► third season and i'm wondering if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► guys think if if people are interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► in the show should they start at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► beginning and just power through or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► maybe check out in the middle haha I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► would recommend that the TNT TV movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► Babylon 5 in the beginning as a starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► point really on but it's a real career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► well it it's bought it it spoils the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► and one key point about see about a one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► key mystery in series one on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► hand if you're trying to get somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► into the show this with this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► when it premiered on the TNT network i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► had a room full of people that I invited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► over for Babylon 5 party who had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► seen the show and they they were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► rapture it was it went over it went over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► better than I that I could have thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► those brand you and and when you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► when you watch in the beginning and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► go into the first season although some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► of the spoilers are kick over then some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► of the other the resistance that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► up when you watch this uneven first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► season where they're so we're sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► finding their way you see enough of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► context in these other other episodes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► that would be my vote you have mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► wants to be my vote would be power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► through it because there's so much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► happens in that first season that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► right it's like its agreement tom clancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► book you get 300 pages into it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► bizarre but the book doesn't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► sense without it and then you're missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► quite a lot because there's so much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► shadowing at first season that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► problem foreshadowing it can be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► bit boring at times until you get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► it that you know i would tell people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► you're going to commit power through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► watch start with the pilot suffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► through it because it isn't as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► their ass yeah but you should still you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► should you should still suffer through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► it just to get a sense of the show we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► can say suffer quite so much revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► interested and actually and which pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► are you talking about because there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► two versions of it you know whatever one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► you can get the one with you yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► one with the stewart copeland soundtrack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► or the one that was really scored yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► what happened was the the pilot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► pilot is called the gathering and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► can get it in on non DVD if you give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► if you go for the DVD sets the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► you will get is the one that was reacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► for tnt and aired and the it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► rescored it's been re-edited tightened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► up there's more stuff to it on balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► yeah i think i like it i didn't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► i thought i founded cringe-worthy yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► didn't I didn't I didn't love it and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► it's hard to not it's hard to not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► it but uh the the version the version on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► itunes I don't know about the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► digital services but the version itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► is the original letter with the stewart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► copeland soundtrack and other stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► I I don't like it as much as you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► your Babylon 5 sounding like an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► of the equalizer that is a version that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► is the version for I think you gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► watch season one and and i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► say you could probably somebody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► probably construct a a a viewing guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► that included half the episodes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► season one and probably you could get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► the flavor for it or you can just power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► through it I i think the reasons the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► reasons you you can't do it i mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► number one reason is Sinclair I he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► that is a that is a character that grows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► on you and by the end of the season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► that's the real shame of him of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► leaving the show which he does sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► little spoiler there but I mean it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► minor honestly in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► things he leaves that he leaves the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► as a regular after the first season he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► grows on you and ends up being he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► not the at the star trek captain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► you're sort of expecting and he is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► very different kind of guy and he ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► up being really kind of endearing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► interesting also Michael O'Hare's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► performance is not what you expect from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► your leading man and that takes some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► getting used to but in the end you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► I think you need to have that experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► with Sinclair and you need to see where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► things get set up with him and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► relationship with the land so that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► bruce boxleitner comes in as Sheridan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► which I would argue is the moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► the show clinched it was gonna be around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► that they gotta somebody people knew and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► a really good I I think good actor with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► a good character and I think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► the moment where for me the show caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► fire is when bruce boxleitner walked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► the on the on the set and I was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► this guy i know this guy he's got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► know he's got command but you can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► gotta have that Sinclair stuff and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► Garibaldi and you've got to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► Babylon squared episode before you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► simply or before you see share it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► I think you got you gotta watch season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► one and he's so different than Sharon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► did get the contrast is why didn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► cast someone and say let's make you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► shared just added the Sinclair mode you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► know now is playing the part of Jeffrey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► Sinclair I i also agree that power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► through season one with where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► making fun of it because we're fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► it really isn't as bad as we're jokingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► it's just that this is a huge this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► cruise ship lose leaving the terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► that is not going to show its full power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► until its left port that's the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► that's what you have to deal with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► campuses and there's a lot fewer arc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► episodes in season one because right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► got to get everybody used to it and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► you know they they haven't figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► how to shoot it they hadn't figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► how to direct the cgi is still kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► work-in-progress everything is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► powering up in season one which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► to say that it's terrible but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► is not where it's going to be by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► season two and reach and bring up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► bring currently if you bring up a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► great point in that there are arc that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► they're there arc and their non arc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► episodes and some of them are what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► the term that the Germans used to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► that there is like the sledgehammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► episodes where this is one of the but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► amazon episode right so you can probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► come up with a list of non arc episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► like intersections in real time as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► watching it was i was struck by the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► that if you would never see if you if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► if there were no syndication of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► whatsoever no dvds they could sell this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► just as an episode of an anthology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► series because all you need it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► connect to anything or any stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► outside in a profound way if all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► know you get from the first five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► the episode that there is somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► is in some sort of large military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► organization the government that owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► that military organization seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► think that he has been affected and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► he's being interrogated that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► I was also thinking of a another one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► my favorite favorite episodes passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► through the ceremony which is an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► you also get such a gutsy episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► because it would it's introduces a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► character so you don't have to know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► love back story but powerful dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► moment with serious consequences that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► are dealt with within the episode and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► also shows you it's it's it's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► calling card because i don't know if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► lot of these series would have had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► guts to be explicit about the religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► of future the future world that were no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► we're not going to say that well of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► course we know it all the times we pray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► to pagan gods but of course now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► understand that there's science behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► no there are monks then there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► religious orders and there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► who celebrate Hanukkah and the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► menorahs and the end them and the monks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► are actually very intelligent sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► people who have who are very very adept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► there they're like Jesuits really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► because they're willing to say there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► conflict between the fact that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► a million different races as a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► fact that gives us the impetus to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► out why how they see their God and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► does it compare to how we see our God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► and I wanted it I wanted to mention in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► Parliament dreams is an episode where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► see lots of aliens and we see lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► religious beliefs and what one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► things and it won an Emmy actually for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► makeup but it also won joseph kosinski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► an award for covering religious themes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► and television which is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► because he is a he has a religious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► background but is an atheist and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► didn't shy away from saying you don't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► out in space you know all the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► we have with us here it's going to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► with us and it's not going to disappear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► it's still going to be there and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► if we meet aliens they're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► some of their own beliefs and wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► be interesting to talk about that mets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► and he did and and that's another thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► that I think you don't see inside I TV a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► standalone episodes i could I can hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► the wheat with the way I'm episodes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► great and then why I just was scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► through the lurkers guide to Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► definitive TV resource largely authored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► by whom CEO Stephen Grimm is that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► fellows name uh and I i met there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► another name that i saw on that sigh i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► bring up over my name appears on about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► four four episodes because I was willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► to read the spoilers from the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► that aired in the UK before they aired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► in the US and edit those pages for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► Stephen because he didn't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► spoiled and when somebody very nice in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► the UK sent Stephen those episodes on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► VHS tape he invited me to come down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► see the thing I'd already been spoiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► on so I got to watch it watch four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► episodes of Babylon 5 with the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► delivers got which was pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► I'm not the lurkers guys still up it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► midwinter dot-com / lurk even now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► can if you kids want to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► internet look like a 1999 yeah that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► which interrogation bar is only like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► quarter of the size of your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► yeah yeah it was formatted for vga those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► what if you go to the front page you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► see that he's put it all up on github [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► now you know kids you don't really you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► don't necessarily have to have the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► real player plugin now I'm not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► you you because my modem can't handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► that kind of data but anyway there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► lot of great there a lot of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► standalone episodes up there are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► know quality of Mercy with June Lockhart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► as the woman whose mysteriously healing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► people in the down below and and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► those episodes it someway or another got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► worked into your understanding upset you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► didn't have to see the rest of them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► were ok but one way or another he found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► ways of working all the standalone up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► so it's for the most part it's it's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► level into the things came back its true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► like that like that episode is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► example to young the jewel of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► healing she would come to action right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► mean yeah I mean we thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► totally done with and surprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► enough it you know he kept it around as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► just time I need that it for a rainy day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► ok let's fire off the spoiler form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► Sinclair's valen make no it doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► ok oh I feel so much better now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► funny actually I wanted to mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► before before we talk a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► about the story arc we were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► about standalone episodes and maybe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► could we could talk about favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► episodes briefly and i'm going to say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► picked some really good episodes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► this obviously i think that they no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► surrender no retreat is a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► one interludes and examinations which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► sounds very much like it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► an episode in which nothing happens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► in fact shocking amount of things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► and the room gets mighty dusty when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► cautious ship flies itself into the Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► because josh has been we realize what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► he's been trying to tell Sheridan is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► you're right we need to do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► and attack the shadows and they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► to kill me and and I'm not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► Rance Howard Rance Howard or years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► the older you get the more set in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► ways to get more you don't know I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► I just try to help as much of that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► those that are watching new moon scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► we said the episodes with the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► innocuous title that's the 1i am worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► oh my god I've never got so broken up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► about the death of a toilet seat board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► it's a beautiful to register tortoise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► shell pattern on the toilet seat Bolin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► gosh I i seriously khosh what a strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► character and obviously we never seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► easy he's a he is a puppeteer and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► AAW invoice but um has amazing dialogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► michael and i will often say to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► other on Twitter that the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► Avalanche has already begun it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► late for the pebbles to vote right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► but at the end there when khosh is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► attacked by the shadows it's upsetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► that you feel sad that this character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► who was not portrayed by actor if is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► it's anything you beautiful about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► particular scene is they don't show like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► shadows taking out lightsabers and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► kaash taking out is you know for line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► Ben is three sword yeah it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► it's sort of happens in a blur because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► this really how do you portray that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► yeah it was anything else but it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► just made it was cheap and then that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► moment you know where this surge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► energy goes to shit like what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► mmhmm yeah and then and and the room the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► room turns bright and add water closes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► his eyes and that's just you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► it is a signature moment for that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► yeah there's a lot of moments like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► where you you wonder what that it's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► to be embarrassed her fraudulent to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► armchair psychologist and try to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► about the relationship that the creator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► of this show must have had with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► father because there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► interludes like that where somebody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► a conversation with their father or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► relationship with preferred for me there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► was this is me like recording the shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► on VHS and wearing out that section of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► tape that I recorded dust to dust on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► where Dzhokhar is as happy as having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► hallucination but he essentially meets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► his spiritual father and he just then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► the spiritual father just lays it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► for your car you have become distracted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► this is why you're angry and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► what you have to do and you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► moment of pure epiphany that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► powerful that as jakar is breaking down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► i found myself in my office they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► like wiping a tier thinking that my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► we have seen the rebirth of another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► person here and that and that and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► really is a father-son sort of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► that the first is not even a second of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► the fifth time that you see the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► relationship between these two be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► between two characters like that we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► with Oliver and her father is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► along there's no doubt that in many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► you know Sharon father was a war on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► often but i often quoted father's well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► everyone who everyone who looks human is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► actually the offspring of human another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► hey Liam certainly he just combed his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► hair so you can see the bump on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► forehead we could definitely see when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► actually meet that you know the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► Sheridan's father rant rant our data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► that a he too had his aphorisms right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► engine and John would quote them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► to have Josh take his his appearance in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► order to say goodbye was this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► nice fitting connection between those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► those characters and even happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► midnight on the firing line when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► sinclair and love are talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► Sinclair's father and he sort of looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► off in the distance you know that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► nice and version of that with dr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► Franklin and his father because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► didn't get along and he comes in and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► but that but of course eventually they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► sort of makeup and there's our wrath of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► khan connection because that's paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► winfield but when you think about it- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► spoiler horn has been alerted is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► when you get to the end of the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► series where they finally pay off here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► is what the entire series has been about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► it really is about older generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► younger generation and the conflict is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► always going to be between the two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► what the older generation will always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► represent to that younger generation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► that and then you need at that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► not to you really haven't completed your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► journey until you have in a kind way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► told the order older generation go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► hell i don't have to do what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► telling me to do i can now think an act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► and create the next generation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► Destiny for the world around me so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► don't have to tell my parents now get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► the hell out of my galaxy or and i sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► oh and along those lines of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► piece that the the moment in this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► uh yes I can admit it is it is possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► unusual when it's in its towards the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► of the series objects at rest when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► sheridan and delenn are leaving Babylon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► 5 for the last time and this is the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► one of your episodes shot because the an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► absolutely but they come about to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► about to look at the to take one last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► look and you zoom in on the command deck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► all in a row are all of these new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► characters or old characters lifted up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► in new positions and it is somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► is a replacement for every single lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► character in the show from commander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► from Captain lochley veer replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► Londo tell on replacing jakar the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► know all of it and silly and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► that is exactly what you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► replacements here we are we're moving on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► goodbye and I and then that Christopher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► frog music in the background and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► yeah yeah and and also the changing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► shifting perspectives like it gets to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► the point where ok we think we know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► the good guys are we think we know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► the bad guys are in no it turns out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► uh-huh and and maybe some of these good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► guys are kind of acting in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► interests that have absolutely nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► to do with no right or wrong good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► evil and sort of Sheridan comes to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► conclusion of look what's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► happening here the show really tilt in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► yeah I i really appreciate and I and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► the time I don't know if it still is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► at the time it was controversial that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2998">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► they ended the shadow for long conflict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► so quickly but I mean I thought it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► beautiful thing that the shadows goal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► not to take over the galaxy the shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► goal is to i think they said knock over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► an anthill right the shot just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► shadows shadows goal is to sow chaos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► get everybody to fight each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► because out of that will come a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► you know a better society the strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► will rise and the vorlons are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► above the fray but they're they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► sort of feel like the galaxies there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► to dictate how it's going to go and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► and so you know yes the shadows are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► and need to be defeated but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► time in the end they both need to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► they only mom and dad both need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► out of the galaxy and that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► that kind of brings me to an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► that i really like which is enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► falling toward apotheosis which was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► there's so much that happens in it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► the part that I like the best was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► actually the jacquard Londo stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► centauri prime but i also like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► five you got Sharon Lauren and a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► of cosh taking down the new foreign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► ambassador and I just I really like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► the vorlons don't stay this magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► mystical good guy angel folk they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► turned into a hole like everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► it turns out that they're not all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► same writer not all cut from the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► old and cash was actually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► different than his replacement wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► nearly as nice that's why they sent him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► to Babylon 5 they stuck him with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► job that's right well that's I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► that was sort of the point right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► know the beginning mondo is like a I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► being punished from the World Court they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► yeah but with a but worth of Orleans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► like presented at that moment of reveal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► that they are if they they aren't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► good guys in the shadows of the bad guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► there's two opposite points of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► where guests the the vorlons excuse me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► the the shadows believe kick over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► inhales create conflicts become that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► stronger rest i think i can remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► this is an active i remember this as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► being an exact line but I could be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► thing for the the vorlons are the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► who sit down eat your vegetables comb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► your hair wash behind your ears and both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► of them are doing the same in both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► your eye doing are doing the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► saying that this generation is for us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► manipulate into we are that we are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► shepherds of the universe and we are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► parents who will make sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► everything work out fine by telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► whereas they don't it's alright it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► like the opposite of being of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► child in this universe the time you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► should realize the power of your work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► done so you have to move out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► well you could you could read it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► to the next thing you could argue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► Arrested Development right because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► thousand years before as we see when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► Babylon 4 gets it back in time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► Sinclair becomes valen and they fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► the shadow war the previous shadow war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► they had spaceships and stuff then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► they were shaped a little differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► those little fishies that they fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► around in were a little rounder but um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► they just are still doing the same stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► thousand years later and why is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► that's because that's what the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► stasis that the galaxies in because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► shadows and the vorlons have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► playing this game for you know thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► and thousands or millions of years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► and I I thought that was really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► because that is showing you that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► you know yet for the for the world's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► galaxy to advance they gotta leave they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► got they got to let let everybody the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► parents have to let the kids grow up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► that's a one of the interesting way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► resolve that that story and it's setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► it's not a made-up thing is set up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► the way through but it's a really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► payoff that's very surprising if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► not good versus evil it's two styles of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► parenting both feel right no apparent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► that says I'm gonna be very strict and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► my kid play the piano and you know clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► up the room and the other parent goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► now I'm not my kid do whatever they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► and you know let them go their own way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► and and don't eventually learn from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► mistakes etc whatever the basketball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► coach yells at their players versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► one who becomes a father figure to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► of them and they both have their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► their their plan because the shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► goal is to make everybody better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► stronger and more resilient self-reliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► I mean there they are evil in a way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► that they don't necessarily have evil an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► evil plan for the end result they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► they were are going to kill lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► people because that's what they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► to do and that's bad but in the end they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► just want you know that they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► help our evolution along by making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► themselves in order to survive the fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► and more chaotic neutral i would say but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► not not to say the word evil people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► the show right mr. Morden clearly he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► he was right and that's not you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► favorite characters are you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► uh-oh faster ah yes faster was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► denied especially his interactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► through out the series with Garibaldi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► showcase for for Walter cannock yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► really he managed to you know get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► the checkoff mold I didn't know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► going to pull it off the first time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► you know he guest-starred and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► just perfectly play again character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► interactions his interaction with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► Garibaldi the whole time kind of up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► through the fifth season was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► how can mr. Garibaldi the Garibaldi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► cigar Baldy says the best i'm gonna bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► of something to beat you like a pinata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► investors as oh so you think of me as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► bright festive decorative item filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► Thank You mr. Garibaldi I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► dynamic to decide the whole psyche or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► element which is again you know one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► these layers of the of the of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► building here that there are telepaths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► and humans this happened recently with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► turns out because there's been you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► manipulation of humanity by the shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► i believe is how the right that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► was the payoff there but um that they so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► you get you get the telepath 1st its 1st [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► it's talia and later it's late alexander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► comes back from the pilot and you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► a you've got ivana whose mother was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► telepath and that there's this dead deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► with the telepaths where they either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► have to be in the psyche or they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► take these terrible drugs that basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► make them fade away and then they die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► and and that was a fascinating layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► that there's their debt the dynamic with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► Bester and the psyche or and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► represent sort of the worst of earth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► humanity sometimes except not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► because they are well-rounded people too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► and then you've got like the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► people who are who have their reasons to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► be offended by them whether they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► aren't telepathic they have terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► secret in their family history like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► ivana I think that's one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► that's so great about Babylon 5 is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► you had people are well-rounded and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► get to see the characters in the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► from so many different points of view I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► mean talking about cycle you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► chorus mother the course father where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► you get to see a whole story from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► Esther's point-of-view sort of her from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► the point of view of up to two adoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► lackeys of investors who are following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► him around and then you have a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► episodes looking at the station from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► documentary or the news and then you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► a view from the gallery where you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► the maintenance workers looking at so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► you have all these different sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► oblique angles that you're staring at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► these beloved characters from and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► just makes them seem more well-rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► more real and i like that are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► Babylon 5 super fans in the chat room by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► the way point out and I i remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► now i knew i wasn't sure about it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► it's created the telepaths yeah and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► the shadows tried to wipe my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► because as it turns out tell pastor bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► for shadows and they don't like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► although they're also playing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► they're also playing the long game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► because they're either trying to wipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► the mountain they did wipe them out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► the nards or they try to subvert them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► which is what they do by infiltrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► the psyche or methods its layers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► layers and i love that freaky shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► there's one other one other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► wanted to if you'll forgive me a doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► who reference because I'm contractually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► obligated i was waiting for it i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► the whole message of this show can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► you can borrow a line from up you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► borrow a scene actually from the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► season of the rebooted Doctor Who when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► Rose is sitting in the diner with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► family and saying it you have to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► stand sometimes you have to do the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► thing you have to do what's right even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► when it's difficult that's what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► this is us this is a story about taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► agency on whether it whether it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► human race throwing off the shackles of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► the four lines in the shadows and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► their own destiny or or or if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► personal story like all of the many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► opportunities Londo has for redemption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► that he just throws away because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► claims he doesn't have a choice for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► that's that's the soul of this show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► it's the reason why it stuck with me for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► so many years it's a very human story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► responsibilities you have the choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► that you make as long as says in no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► I've made some poor decisions which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► bit of an understatement and chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► rolls his eyes like really think maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► maybe a little th but it shows that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► isn't in terms of central themes though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► that is great when you have an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► series that has been created and pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► much one single handily written by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► person that was where the beginning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/3572">TS</a>]
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01:06:56 ◼ ► you're dry lifeless eyes and smile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4016">TS</a>]
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01:07:01 ◼ ► bring that for me mr. work in a later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► and he watches is there anything i can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► I can do for you and Angie says about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► excuse me are you willing to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► yeah well and also the backbone he shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► even to the the his boss to Londo as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► he's cowering where they said there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► some final execution order for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► operation that blonde the Londos just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► sending veer off design he's begging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► Londo reconsider this is a bad mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► this is a terrible terrible thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► then like what I have to do this myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► and then veer when the most one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► perfect character moments says just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► stiff stiffly says no I will go to i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► will go do this thing you need me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► but at some point I'm going to remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► yeah and then let's that linger as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► there's a there's a funny joke when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► major Garrett rod Barry says says you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► will be over and you will be in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► after the other one is dead and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► like oh what a funny thing and get when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► flashforward we see that veer is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► to be the Emperor after jakar strangles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► Londo that it turns out is a mercy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► killing that that a there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► a good Emperor you know right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► it's not a joke and and we see why he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► gotten here and he has progressed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► this incredible way from when we first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► team in fact there was always juxtaposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► with linear played by Bill me another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► kind of go wrangle Robbins actor from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► Anthony Anthony he will send them to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► cornfield and um you know it at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► it seemed like well you know he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► to be this month like figure and take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► care of the land and then veer is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► buffoonish figure and in the end here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► gets a much better path and linear sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► of doesn't go anywhere and i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► actually argue is the only character who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► he his last act is cowardly and awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► and he leaves in disgrace and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► interesting how that happened and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► also supports expectations i think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► the show although not executed quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► cleanly always some other stone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► poorly done and I'm sure was set up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► I don't really like that linear his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► character got so assassinated at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► but it is interesting in contrast to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► veer who gets built up into this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► dramatically different thing from how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► first saw him but I think that's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► character we didn't evolve he had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► crush on the Len and he never got over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► it and that pretty much clear and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► result get over it right we did snap out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► of it was another example of how we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► to let go of things from the past and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► the one that's just hanging on for dear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► life and he's hoping my kids going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► come to her senses the other great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► relationship with Marcus and the Rangers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► the whole reassess the Rangers yes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► not shot at home a battle is yes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► that whole arc and and I was a spinoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► waiting to happen exam didn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► broad and market he was just such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► great character anything yeah yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► was good and that was a one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► examples to I i have read my notes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► have like four or five things I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► mentioned that i want to mention one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► them is the lord of the rings which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► just as he totally obsessed Florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► rings the Rangers are lifted right out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► there this Caza doom and in whose work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► and all falls into a bottomless pit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► emerges transformed and here we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► Zaha do more shared and does the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► Lori n the the references to lord of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► rings throughout this and it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► copy of Lord of the Rings but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► source material for this story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► that's fascinating and if you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► and look at it especially now that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► lord of the rings movies were made so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► people have experienced that may be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► than just reading the book a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► times I imagine since he read it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► thousand times but this that 15 is full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► of Lord of the Rings references like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► bursting with rings and the Rangers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► the best example I right but there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► many other things that he throws in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► you know if you know yeah we did with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► the Ministry of 1984 always need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► absolutely you know just these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► settle things that he would totally now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► and of course Daffy Duck Creek and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► not-so-subtle things like the we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► two entire episodes that are fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► standalone that are devoted to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► Arthurian legend right yes Grail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► can't get the other one but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► one actually happens to be the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► next I late delivery from Avalon right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► it's very first right first full episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► of Babylon 5 that are mostly full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► episode that we watched and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► that was the one where make my friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and i turned to each other and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► that's because pretty good you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► get together early next week and watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► that's what Michael that's that Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► your micro yards out yeah that was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► think that was what drew is saying but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► Jason I'd like to grab onto what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► said about Lord of the Rings real quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► and write this on the table there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► there's one big difference between this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► and Lord of the Rings and that is season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► five Lord of the Rings in uh with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► aragorn taking the throne and that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► know that's that's pretty much the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► of the story behind the always go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► the elves go into the West I guess right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► yeah any linux things yes all 47 endings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► of order india season five is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► interesting because not in its and many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► people regarded as a lesser season and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► and I'll out I I'll grant that but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► part of the whole five-year plan of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► show even if some parts of it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► accelerated indonesian season four was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► the building of an empire and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► season five is about what happens when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► you've got that in dryer hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► we're in charge now we've gotten rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► the four lines we've eliminated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► problem on earth now what do we do and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► moved out of my parents basement now now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► what exactly and and I and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► fascinating decision that JMS made it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► the hardest season to right and it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► is not as successful as the season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► because the challenges so much greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► here all of a sudden the stories about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4374">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► opposing something it's that it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► year-long Dana mom and I can I think his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► original plan before he accelerated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► things because he thought that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► that they weren't gonna get a fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► season he could smell the the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► he didn't want to blow it I i assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► that the fifth season normally would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► have been sort of half the Civil War and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► then half picking up the pieces at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► end I don't believe it would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► like just the civil war and that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► committed to 22 doing some of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► because that I that's just his gameplan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► claimed that it was going to run into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► like the first four five or six eps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► series for would have run into the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► four or five or six episodes of the 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► and then he would pick up the pieces so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► he had some padding to do because now he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► had he had to find another story arc to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► hang the whole season on but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► i agree with you buy it was not it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► not my favorite their stuff in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► that I actually looking back i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► like but I think it's that I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► feels diluted like like not not diluted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► like diluted that it's it's it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► like you know an important piece was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► missing and he put some other stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► and but that is the point i mean not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► go back to another sci-fi reference and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► watchmen nothing ever ends but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► sort of the point that he's making here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► it keeps going and sometimes what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► happens after the big dramatic moment is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► just as interesting as ending on the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► dramatic moment which is that when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► shadow form on war is resolved and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► there's like no now what it's like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► gotta go back to earth now and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► we can't be it's not yeah it's over it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► I thought that there's one big thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► really liked two things I really didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► like and the rest was kind of okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► like I liked that I was brilliant to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► that jakar is now being elevated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► essentially the Gandhi of the novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► like there's just like their disciples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► of Jaquan and yes cars book you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► this book that becomes a spiritual book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► graduation of you are the younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► generation but now you're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► the advisors to the younger generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► that's a total different things you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► to deal with but the things that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► the two things that kind of got me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► they're kind of related is that Byron I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► just never got now i agree cuz he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► he was a soldier email is telepathic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► line is Byron i have long flowing hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► I have an english accent and i'm here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► tell you you're a wonderful woman mrs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► it's like for heaven's sake that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► probably could have bought into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► whole telepath thing in series five that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► but I just never saw any chemistry with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► byron and Lita and that turned me after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► the whole thing I mean a false ringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► love story is a very quick way to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► yeah it was clear that there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► filler needed it was also you know after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► everything that happened your kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► this for your roller coaster ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► haha and now it's like okay you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► i'll look you know move doing now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► have a government with to set up some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► stationery and office you have to choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► a logo we all look we all know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► difficult it is to decide on the logos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► everybody's got an opinion it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► those things that annoyed me about star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► wars with the ended right now all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► sudden it's like okay you know we go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► the next death star and yeah everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► at once on you know yeah how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► the couches the chaos everything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► finished everything everything's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► yeah yeah that's what in other words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► they didn't do anything around with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► didn't even move to the ramifications of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► now we must rebuild and welcomes a that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► was the end of the series and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► going to do anymore the nice thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► tvs you can I mean Straczynski I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► very he wasn't he wasn't going to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► himself time to tell about what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► after i think the season five he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► ended up leaving himself a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► much time because he he needed to cram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► that stuff into season 4 because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► literally the pten Education Network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► package thing was dying literally was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► was ending and they got saved by cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► yes that's right or into the West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► depending on if it's Lord of the Rings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► are not uh yeah what I had a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► things I want to mention that on my list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► i want to mention the relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► between sheridan and delenn because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► think it's really interesting i'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► I'm not so infantile they have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► things the the shippers people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► very very very very invested in certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► relationships that actually are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► show but i want to say that if I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► identified with shippers in any form is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► probably the relationship with john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► I i love that relationship i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► everything about it i love that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► people getting to know each other yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► one of them is kind of mumbling bari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► transformed into a half-human by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► cocoon and all that and you still got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► half a bone airhead restless and i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► i know it's Christmas ok yeah-and-a-half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► a bone in her head that she's got hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► and yeah okay that's all great but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► get to know each other and and they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► together in their build mutual respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► and it's the sweet romance that plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► out over a lot of time they get married [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► and at the end they have a baby and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► isn't that nice i really like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► relationship with it but it's also they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► get to know each other yeah 3 scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► where you know they both have to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► she has to watch over me he's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► sleep on that minbari torture board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► keeps falling off and she's very mad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► like yeah i mean i i'm gonna put up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► this because and you know we see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► it's me again and again you share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► insurance but he's one learns want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► through this i think the one point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► sheridan loses it is in the shadows i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► when he encounters morning and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► is wailing on him like you can't do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► Garibaldi quits I'm sorry I'm just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► going through this i mean you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► are you were just going way off the deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► end and even Zacks kind of looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► where is he where is delenn then yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► and then eventually internet all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► and they don't get all of a sudden you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► get you a few don't know what the hell's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► going on you got it you got take step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► calm down i got tell you what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► and you and she doesn't want to and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► like you better tell me then she has I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► think the best lines in that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► this I'll tell you but you're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► gonna sleep again for the rest of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► life comes with a little price but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► i do love that relationship that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► it's one of the rare TV relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► that I felt I think because of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► they spent building it and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► back-and-forth of drama of will there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► won't say it was a it was a build and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► felt real to me even if one of Eric come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► out of the very very very very real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► j michael Straczynski refuse to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► lock characters and archetype because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► remember that after after sheridan dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► bit nuts she beats you you remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► oh yeah you are you are reminded that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► she was a very very fierce warrior and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► that's when she starts piling the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► white star and say well okay we boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► we've managed to escape from the skin of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► our teeth now let's turn around and blow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► them to hell she is mad and she is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► going she's going to take our aggression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► on anybody who looks like an enemy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► is in a ship that is within firing range [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► I that is that is not again it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► that I hope this is not supposed there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► not going to be like a rant against you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► know against the star trek but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► the difference between those two styles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► where you would never have some wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► you know you really mustn't turn all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► anger into hey dog it's like no lock on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► photons and basically blasting the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► yeah they they lost their ability they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► lost their right to live when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► pissed me off to the degree that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► piss me off and and and only one man has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► survived contact with a shadow with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► NRI cruiser he's behind he is behind you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► somewhere and somewhere else i'm sorry i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► started step in your life but yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► so many beautiful view so many beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► beautiful lines in this whole Syria and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► are our characters get to make mistakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► and do bad things and it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► them bad people they make mistakes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► where they do things out of rage or out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► of miss you know misconception and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► that's like people like people do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► the evil when we see here's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► great thing we mention 1984 in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► Ministry of peace and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► Stravinsky's worldview is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► evil true evil is a bureaucracy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► banal the true evil is the guy standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► onstage saying i'll give you an armband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► if you you know report for the Night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► Watch that's the true evil or when we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► to xel-há doom and and meet the shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► yes melissa gilbert is there which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► nice little bit of stunt casting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► she was married to bruce boxleitner but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► also there's a guy there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► gray-haired guy with a mustache who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► the most boring guy in the world because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► that's the whole point is heat it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► like he's not meeting the grand pooh-bah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► who's some awesome shadow dude he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► this board super boring guy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► that's you know I i love that message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► that you know evil is not super dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► and exciting it's actually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► boring and insidious and and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► it's been all it's not that exciting if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► you look at the flooring and are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► evil beet with the excitement factor i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► mean if you were to look at this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► sort of from the outside not knowing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► of the players and just kind of a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► black-and-white maybe sort of generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► fairytale version one of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► villains and the entire thing would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► Londo but right when you look at it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► the inside of the story he is he's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► of the characters though I at least come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► to love the most yes all of them i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► the poor guys gonna have a keeper on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► you know short so you know yeah this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► sympathies towards him a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► knowing this was not gonna end anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► the way he thought know he was gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► everything he wanted and I can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► careful what you wish for because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► might get it and so we got everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► you wanted but there's definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► certain point where I think students he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► character a little bit so when we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► the tragic fall we're not going yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► he's getting what he deserves we kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► feel bad for Mike the guy just made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► lot of back bad choices that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► where he doesn't he doesn't let us off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► the hook by saying these are the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► guys these are the bad guys the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► why the bad guys are bad is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► it's no because here we'll walk you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► all the way through the decision that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► the process that led to Londo ordering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► the destruction of the NAR homeworld we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► will let you and we will put we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► basically put you in a position where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► you figure out that he felt as though he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► was doing the right thing for his people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► get there in the end this extends in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► many different directions where you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► you feel like that one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► intense moments was when mi watching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► show was when Garibaldi determines coats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► and hands over Sheridan to Earthforce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► EarthGov and he's and this is before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► this is the episode before we find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► that he's actually being manipulated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► but he did but he resents get set it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► so that he's just a paranoid individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► he has already established that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► thinks that's the commander's gone off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► the rails he will do what he thinks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► right to end the situation and as he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► sitting there in that even in that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► subway car on Mars as he's just done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► this me sort of like dealing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► fact that i can't believe i guess i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► sorry i had to do that but I'm sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► feel like crap and i remember but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► sitting in my chair in my living room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► thinking it because he's an alcoholic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► things we struggling with alcoholism I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► remember thinking why don't you go have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► a drink but because God and then amazed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► that i had that sort of revulsion over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► what he did but again it's not the if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► had just been introduced to this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► who's to serve a weaselly turn Cody type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► of guy and of course he's the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► who's going to turn them in because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► a weasel and he's a turncoat and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► feel as though no this was unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► the end of he was he's been boxed into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► situation which the other two buttons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► front of them one of them was turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► shared and the other one was a struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► against it and he push the big red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► flashing button and and we know and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► know that he has his own moral center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► right because again with the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► more than stuff you're gonna do this I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► here's here's my gun here's my badge so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► we've already seen that you know he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► not going to follow the chain of command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► he's going to stand up and I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► know in his own mind he thought he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► doing the right thing when he handed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► them over and obviously I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► learned later on maybe he might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► compare that episode stylistically by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► the way to the to the first season of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► the pilot that episode where where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► Garibaldi cells are shared and has so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► many different stylistic flourishes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► the Mars subway to bride shows that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► were real aeration there there yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► they've got this is what i doing back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► Mars right pick up a cgi working right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► and they've got the compositing right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► it feels much more like you're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► there and then the scene work sharon has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► taken is a real and i do believe Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► Trek started stealing the babylon five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► directors and then they found some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► really good directors that is such it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► it's it's strobe light they had a still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► photographer on the set and they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► stills of the action and intercut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► stills with the live action and it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► is i mean it's really good it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► necessarily microstates one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► things ever but if they were true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► lying interesting style things which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► know in season one they're like trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► to get a show out yet that was not my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► favorite part of it I really thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► that was just a little too artsy for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► ship was bravely my training too hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► but think how far they came from like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► mean season when they're struggling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► get like the sets vertical and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► not very well I just I just didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► yeah I i have to send somebody was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► hey I've got an idea let's do this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► get a still photographer in here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► we'll see how it goes and it is jarring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► to on top of everything else but i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► that they tried stuff like that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► it had been they had come so far from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► that's another thing about this show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► how how much they got out of so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► they didn't always have the best actors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► the scripts weren't always the best i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► think you get to the point somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► stravinsky's fatigue is starting to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► absolutely and and the line and the law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► he's going for the first right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► instead of the second more creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► right answer in terms of ways of talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► but there's there's some kind of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► alchemy when Jeff Conaway who is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► tremendous actor can be an effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► character uh and and has had some great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► moments there are a claudia christian is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► it just sort of comes out of nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► from being the stripper in hexed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► being a to being a really formidable uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► military presence you know they had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► money they had no consistent schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► all they had was the sheer will to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► the epic to get the show made and uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► an army of fans online that we have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► know this isn't that the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► written remit as i understand it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► show itself and sure enough behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► but but you can't talk about Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► without talking about records SF TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► Pastore and and and and all and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► the fandom relationship the first first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► show to have a direct back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► with the creator and the fans on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► internet ask me a question I'll give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► an answer and you know sometimes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► won't cause it'll spoil the show but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► i'll try to explain to you what i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► thinking and amazing it great I mean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► he managed to make the best and exacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► characters a good example because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► were dealing with Bobby from taxi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► I you know I think you know can be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► um but a key light this is why i gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► work with i'm gonna i'm gonna try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► make him like you know a super-soldier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► I'm gonna play you know the rules that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► he knows how to play and make the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► that type of character but then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► that moment where he takes off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► armband you know and also like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► know Zach's not just the guys taking 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► credits from them you know a week from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► tonight watch our he's he also got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► little bit of backbone he also evolved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► and the fact that he wasn't afraid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► kill off characters either you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► you know people who have been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► suddenly Oh guy there's a shadow ship by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► better tell someone about it and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► seeing you anymore max kefir now goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► so mom was the characters forward to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► you'll be on for a season what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► at the end well first like you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► your dad ready sure under your uniform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► and killed by shadows not not not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► way to go yeah I mean yeah the budget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► I mean this was this a show with not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► much budget and they got a lot out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► and people will look back on it now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► say well it looks cheap it's like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► yeah it does sort of look cheap but let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► me tell you they they made this thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► converted this is where i'm going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► my little gloating bit here which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► they made this in an inverted orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► orange drink factory in sun valley in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► the in the san fernando valley office on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► valley boulevard i went there when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► worked at mac user that's how long ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► was it was 1997 and uh and next door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► there was a some other kind of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► food you know service thing and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► converted one of them into the prop shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► and the other one was the was the studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► the studio is again this old factory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► warehouse place out in the valley and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► yeah it was not flush at all it was they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► were they were out where where my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► understanding they were out where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► porn gets made right they were not they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► were not in Hollywood proper they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► out in the valley and yet you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► you walk inside and you're on Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► and there's that forced perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► hallway where you see the curve of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► station in the zocalo and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► all wood and you know spray-painted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► it's just good enough to get to get by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► on TV on the tiny TVs of of 1995 I'm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► was when i was in the commentary on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► of these episodes we agreed to watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► J michael Straczynski points out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► essentially three different scenes were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► redresses of the scene of the set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► yeah and that's just you know yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► was it was not that bigger asset they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► were there were three or four different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► locations i think it was set up when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► was there and literally around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► corner was Trinity's office you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► literally go around the corner and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► was in there working on that and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► I didn't get to talk to him because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► was directing that episode because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5517">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► there when they were shooting at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5518">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► finale the year before they aired it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► Boxleitner dressed in his sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► minbari outfit and and my mitt entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► memory of him was he was like come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► guys he was like impatient he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► waiting for them to shoot the scene and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► Joe was somewhere else and all that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► we couldn't talk to him but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► pretty cool there you know there were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► bunch of minbari extras out back smoking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► cigarettes in the back parking lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► I was it was it was a trip and i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► have I still have a couple of stickers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► that were they would print out on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► know on inkjet printers the props [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► Department prick print out the stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► stickers and cut them out and stick them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► to the walls and that was like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► that was set decoration where these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► stickers and I have a couple of of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► of them still which is a yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► pretty it was pretty cool to see that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► am and I i do have a picture of me at 26 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► years old with a clipboard and standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► at the elevator doors on Babylon 5 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► pakistan some that is some good cleaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► well that is so yeah so thank you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► thank you and i actually had a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► episodes tech tempat versions of episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► sent to me by one of the editors we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► meet the editors who were doing all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► after effects work and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► which is crazy stuff and sought saw Tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► Dow from Leave It to Beaver who directed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► some of those episodes he was in the act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► he was in the Edit Bay doing doing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► work there still there's a continuity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► error that i can spot every time I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► a certain episode of the fourth season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► because they were they they had a dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► they didn't have the shots matchup right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► so they flipped the scene so jakar walks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► in from the other direction and but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► land is wearing the shirt that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► asymmetrical when every time i watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► I'm like that's flipped suddenly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► going to her left shoulder now it's back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► to her right shoulder and you'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► notice that watching it but i noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► every time now is I'm not tell me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► episode it is i don't know i was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► when they flipped it was pretty crazy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► somebody mentioned in the chat room HD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► version there is a rumor that they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► eventually do an HD version and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► impossible and I i can say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► about that which is a shot this on film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► and they shot it in widescreen so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► could release a blu-ray version of or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► an hd2 downloadable version of Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► what they need to do is scan in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► original film which they probably have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► the problem is as with most of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► stuff from this period they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► to remake the special effects because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► the special effects were done for by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► three and they were done in standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► death so if if if they ever wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► remake Babylon 5 and sell it in HD they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► would either skin and all the HD film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► atrocious and that isn't just the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► anything had enough as it is and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► right because on TV because they cut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► off they have the 16 by 9 and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► cut off and blew up the effect so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► they had to do it they would essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► have to rebuild those things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► they've done with Star Trek The Next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► Generation it might happen i'm skeptical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► that there's enough of a that that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/5698">TS</a>]
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01:42:06 ◼ ► we the the greatest risk to society's is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► when they put under some pressure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► you have to see those decisions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► they make and some of the stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► post-911 than it was pretty 911 and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► two examples i wanted to give were one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► we talked about which is the torture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► sheridan which has a lot more residents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► now since we know what waterboarding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► and things like that but the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► really gets me is when to lend tells the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► story of how the earth-minbari war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:35 ◼ ► started which we've been seeing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6155">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► beginning which is their leader gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► killed and she says we all went mad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► we and that's why we started the war and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► it was against all of our principles but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► we were we were so incensed by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► single act that it drove us crazy and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► did lots of things that I regret now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► I gotta say I think about i think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► that when I think about what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6176">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► after 911 and some of the extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► reactions and some of the wars that got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► started that think another another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► notable is its I cork sort of coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► of the dilgar war you know we've we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► got not necessarily that i'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► that the Department of Homeland Security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► is it's better if I go but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► saying you know it'sit's another anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► just en este video there's there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► of that you're not with us you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► against us that's out there even wardens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► interrogation you know where he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► you're dead as far as everyone knows no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► no one's ever gonna see you again maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► you want to tell me something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► so he definitely export a lot of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► things he explored patriotism quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► oh yeah the show as one of the themes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► particularly in no surrender no retreat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► no he's he's touring III don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► yeah but i'm going to you stand down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► government will give you illegal orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► and a good soldier has to know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► can follow illegal orders right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► and it's not like this is rocket science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► he's looking back at the history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► humanity and and even of the 20th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► century and saying this stuff happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► I'm not to get all battlestar galactica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► on you but his write his report yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► his but his look when the ship blows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► in the White Star go to your apartment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► crashes into its gonna get some like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► books get some lifeboats oh yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► these guys are trying to kill 10 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► earlier he gets the lifeboats and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► the thing blows up that look on his face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► yeah I didn't want to do that but i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► patriotism calls for and Garibaldi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► you're taking exact thing I can't handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► being around you because you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► taking things into your own hands and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► have procedures to do this and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► we see with the Len on the hand in hers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► Londo you know all the all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► through the series he his defenses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► I am a patriot I was doing what has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► be done and when even when he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► turn ee to have to turn against his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► government when he realizes that oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► god might have the Emperor is insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► we have to get rid of them he's trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► to do now is to create a new coalition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► and he says Devere that i needed i need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► the Patriot i'll need a friend you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► both and that's that that's the seeds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► finally getting with Emperor everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► believes that every police are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► what they're doing for the greater good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► of their community of community of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► they have incredible amount of pride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► they would lay down their own lives for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► and sometimes that turns into zealot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► Reeve air easily everyone thinks their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► morality is a hundred percent correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► and that whole flip from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► where you know the Centauri are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► buffoons and then by the time we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► you know you know in the second episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► we talked about everything is turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► you know all of a sudden are on the run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► will have admittedly what happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6357">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► these people and then the Rangers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► loyalty their holy do we live for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► one we die for the one again you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► we're here to serve we're not here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► whatever the crazy mission is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► what we're here to do how about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► carry the character arts for characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► like maroon who is a patriot and comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► around to who he's too who he's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► serve in the end you know who do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► serve as a big question here and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► again there's there's so much in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► show about a personal about personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► responsibility that's one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► even President Clark you know is i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► it's an evil character is he is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► who took over also an all in all evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► right he's drinking out of a fat white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► bold guy he was just just carrying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► the legacy right in basically going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► to midnight on the firing line here with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► the whole presidential election is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► on in the background and it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► President Santiago you know pledging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► that earth isn't going to be easy Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► patrolling the police wars when we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► gonna get back and it's sort of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► know background father and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► talked to said you know these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► aren't doing enough where we're staying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► involved and that's what's best for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► earth right now we've already before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► enough for and then in the last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► of the first season that there is a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► know Kennedy assassination level thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► right down to the earth force one shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► that is a like everybody is posed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► the the Johnson swearing impose on fs1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► after the Kennedy assassination wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► amazing everything everything there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► always thought that episode again try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► be a little overly dramatic it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► Oh only we could reach them in time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► warn them and oh I figured out who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► traitor is before he shoots me in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► back and oh if only I hadn't gone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► cocoon that's it but still but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► that is a really good at that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► I can't believe it's a cliffhanger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► then it wasn't on again for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► billion years after it was literally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► billion they kept showing the rear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► the same five episodes for like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► and there we go finally there's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► episodes i could probably recite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► hit that no one else on left is how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► narrative of the show changed every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► season you know our last best hope for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► our last best hope for victory yes I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► everything in between the change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► opening credits every year every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► and kind of moving with a ball around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► yes season of hope season the fitness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► season when we took back what is off but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► i actually the one that kills me as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► after two years of the Babylon project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► was our last best hope for peace in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► season three we got it failed didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► have one star favorite shoes on another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► and it's like what what just what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► that and of course that hadn't that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6537">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► also prefiguring the civil war that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► hadn't happened yet and just there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► some really really nice nice things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► they're just waiting for that shoe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► drop it wasn't feeling in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► speakers for watching a Babylon 5 was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► yes the code name or something now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► turns out there are other four and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► I also move that that was burned down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► fell over then second of the SWAT but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► the fifth station state old and I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► know that the narration is always in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► past tense of that is telling us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► story this is you know the story of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► mass of the Babylon stations itself from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► the future always right you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► always right you know let me tell you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► got a great story to tell you kids also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► it is isn't it great the way that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► expectations where we've seen the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► but it's been like a recurring thing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► here is what the Babylon 5 station looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► like when it's being exploded in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► middle of space and we know that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► going to be the build-up that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► Babylon 5 ends and we're thinking all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► there's a great war they have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► initiate the self-destruct sequence is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6596">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► like know it lives up to its purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► it was detonated purposefully as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► hazard to navigation by joseph kosinski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► demolition like the dude like the dunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► result in Las Vegas they just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► want to do even when he showed his hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► but what was gonna happen it didn't ruin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► the story because you didn't know how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► got there and you didn't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► events we're going to lead them there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► and what those events really meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► someone hand you sort of like yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► done spoilers in the middle and it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► to pull that off to spoil something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► right in the middle of the arc and give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► everything away and still have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► feeling okay okay i know what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► but how did that happen like when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► can spoil a delenn's transformation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► the opening credits of of season two you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► see your picture with hair and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► um okay I guess I know what she's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► look like when she comes out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► Christmas they actually didn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► on the original airing oh did they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► this is the kind of thing I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► have known and engineering the captain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► but I was too busy going what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6657">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► is the guy from Sacramento scarecrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► galaxy right now I'm not mad at them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:04 ◼ ► put on the DVD yeah they like took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6664">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► retired they were they there they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:09 ◼ ► sort of they actually played up that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6669">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► know her coming out of the cocoon pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► oh I always thought that she just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► hard being in the makeup and she went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► look you want me on the show I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► look like a normal person personally is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► that the reason that she looks so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► different in the in the in the pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► movie is that what they were going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► is process her voice the entire first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► season and say that Dylan was male and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► Wendell n comes out of the cocoon season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► it was in Berlin was going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► transformed not only into part human but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► into female and that was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► like wow you blew my mind and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► did the test with mira furlan voice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► it sounded really bad and fake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► they're like a forget it but that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► her makeup looks much more androgynous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► in the in the in the pilot movie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► whereas in the first season they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► had to be she's female but she's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► know she's not all kind of big chin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► stuff like they had they had done in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6715">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► yeah it's great crazy that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6717">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► been a real mind-blower but they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► couldn't get the voice to work right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► they decided they didn't want her to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► know be unintelligibly modified voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► that for a whole year and now you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► why she just hosted Garibaldi up like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► sack of potatoes over her shoulders in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► yeah we were supposed to yeah that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► supposed to be a male character who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► turns female in the cocoon but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► instead she just grew hair and had lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► of a bone you know but still you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► and changes i really i I really wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► how I would have reacted to that if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► if that had that they'd actually pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► I don't know if that would have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► little bit too much for me i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► clearly J michael Straczynski would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► he was certainly have done it now let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► let's let's take a moment to accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► that the this man has transitioned into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► female let's take that seriously not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► pretend we won't we won't deal with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► the same way that star trekt out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6774">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► the fact that hey where we all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► weasels and frogs and ferrets like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► who cares so it's it's it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► it's interesting to think of how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► episodes that would have taken for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► 24 effort for me to integrate that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► have been it's such an interesting twist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► yeah I think he probably realized you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► know what I I got too much going on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► don't you have that I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► I don't think I mean any been and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► smart enough to know that it was time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► transitioning from from from minbari to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► human would not have been a big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► think it also has to be trans for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► transmitting from male member re to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► female human it's it seems like to too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► much gloss too much to which for all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► suspect that listening to the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► treatments made him rethink whether he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:49 ◼ ► wanted to go that far and that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6829">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► just that but that's what that story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► that's why the makeup was built that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► anyway I we are we are running a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► long although you know we gotta run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► another five-year show guys we gotta you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► know we got its double sized and and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► you know you get you're getting your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► money's worth this week i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► mention before we go and maybe we can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► around if everybody has an episode they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:15 ◼ ► favourite we could do that before we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6855">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► really quickly I as an episode we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► haven't mentioned that is perhaps my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► favorite if not it's one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► Babylon 5 episodes and it's not a narc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► it's called confessions and lamentations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► and it's about a fatal disease that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► strikes a population of aliens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► there's a panic on the ship and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► just a beautifully sad dark story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► horrible disease there are some aids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► parallels in there that are uh are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► hard to watch and touching and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► beautiful and delenn goes inside where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► are dying and takes care of them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6895">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► failed they're looking to lock them away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6897">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► and she goes with with them and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► beautiful and that's that's maybe my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► even though it has nothing to do with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► arc I think it's a wonderful wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► episode and it doesn't again we blew the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► no they don't save the day they all died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► it's terrible and also get this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► major alien we even have been seen in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► every episode but our then it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► like they made up this race they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► set fire to like a hundred masks yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► yeah maybe a few of them survived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► anybody else want to mention a favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► episode before we before we wrap it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► height i will i'm gonna go for one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► deconstruction of falling stars is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► justic kind of an amazing episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► television i found that it was the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► of most magnificent and satisfying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► wrap-up I've ever seen of a story I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:50 ◼ ► think on television maybe the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6950">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► that comes close would be like the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► 15 minutes of the last episode of six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► feet under which honestly isn't one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► my favorite shows but i really enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6957">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► the way that they closed up that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► and this was it gave an epilogue but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► still had me sort of coming out smiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:06 ◼ ► and maybe walking just endless story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6966">TS</a>]
01:56:08 ◼ ► there is that they shot the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6968">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► episode of season for thinking will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► the last episode of the show when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► they moved that to the last episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► season five and they had to shoot a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► season finale for season 4 as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► the block of season five so it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► you know season four areas so late that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► they were able to shoot a season 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► episode and inserted at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► but how do you do that if you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► to continue the story arc and so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► created this episode that flashes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► way forward forward and then farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► forward and then farther forward and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► you would have explained that to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► said this next episode is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► jumping this far in the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► telling what happens and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► I would have said that is going to suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► i do not want to watch it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:50 ◼ ► satisfying episode yet managed and off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7010">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► because it shows the humans becoming for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► loans and doing right what we said is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7015">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► the most important thing is leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7016">TS</a>]
01:56:59 ◼ ► yes at the end like we're going to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7019">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► we're going to be smart enough we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► learned that when it's our time to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► we're going to turn off the lights blow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:09 ◼ ► anything he so definitely use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7029">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► characters that we have come to know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► love in these futuristic ways that I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► didn't get mad like I think I might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► if the if the writer had had a less deft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► touch that using these characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:27 ◼ ► alright other pics i love you i was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7047">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► continuity purposes and we handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► time-travel arm you know Babylon squared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► followed by war without end and seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► it from the other side that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► hard to do it's hard to do time-travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► no one really gets it right even he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► doesn't quite get it but I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► pulled it off better than anyone could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► and it also answered i looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► shows that answer questions because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► Babylon squared ask so many questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► arm and then there's just a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7076">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► scenes then I loved the last scene of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► juxtaposing the gospel choir and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► wrote that song apparently that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► home J michael Straczynski wrote it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► this said that juxtaposing between you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► know him running and and did them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► singing was awesome and I mean besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► sort of a little bit weird to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► one moment with the whole world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► basically dead and use this voice jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:31 ◼ ► you know to make a decision and it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7111">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► right you know what if i jump it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:36 ◼ ► buy me another 10 seconds and then i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7116">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► figure out what to do after that 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► seconds and then i'll figure out what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► do after that 10 seconds on and the look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:42 ◼ ► on his face when he does it I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7122">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► was like yeah we don't know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► happened to him but I kind of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► attitude that says he's a man of action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► i'm not going to stand still I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► have you know ten seconds I'm gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► what happens also that that is an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7136">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► spiritual that's a that's not a novice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► all is the original little spiritual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:01 ◼ ► what a great juxtaposition and I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7141">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► can sing that song and I can see was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah it was it was it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► echo to one of Jenna's presents his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► cabaret we're just echoes the joyous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► swinging and if people singing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► meanwhile sewn being beaten to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► back and front seat of my car just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► like matter-of-factly telling the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► of the nard like while rivas there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► make sure this crystal is in his pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► also don't tear him apart above the neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► because you need to be identified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► that's what yeah but if you want to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► deserves what he is coming to him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► you you feel good about it and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► feel bad about feeling good about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► yes all right I'd like to I'd like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► I've been watching this with my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► who's just turned twelve I but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7195">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► thing you need to know about modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► science fiction literature here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► Babylon 5 watch it with me and he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► he's enjoyed it quite a bit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► maddest he got was in watching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► illusion of truth which is the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:15 ◼ ► sort of media story where the where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7215">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► state-run media comes to do a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► about Babylon 5 and and manipulates the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► story manipulates the truth and will my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► son was watching it and getting madder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► wait wait that's that he said that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► that's not what he meant wait wait that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► he wasn't even there when they said get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:44 ◼ ► it was the best media education i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7244">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► have given my son ever and I'm do i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:51 ◼ ► just I just love that episode it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7251">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► subversive maybe not just some of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► your little older who beat her used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► that used to being cynical about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► media and all that stuff but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► one of those clever inventor of stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► that really struck a chord with my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► made him just a little more savvy about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:09 ◼ ► the way the world works so i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7269">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► episode I i have to say day of the dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► because not only was a great episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:17 ◼ ► that written by neil game and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7277">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► featuring Penn & Teller incorporating a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► accommodate the idea that teller may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► want to speak on camera in keeping with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► the stage performer persona so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► only is it genuinely great episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► itself but also it's it's sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► there are these movies and TV shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► where the way that you relate to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► changes as your as as your as you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► little bit older because when it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► aired I was in my late twenties and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:52 ◼ ► and it's an episode in which for 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7312">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► it's the day of the dead and people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7316">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► Babylon 5 key characters people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► people they people significant in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:03 ◼ ► lives who had died basically come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7323">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► and visit them of the during the during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► this day and in my late twenties that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► friends of mine and family and friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► of mine and family members of mine had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► started dying on me and so that had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► extra resonance as I'm looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► very very thin came in most cases very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► painful situations where you're dead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► i know you're dead you cannot possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► be here but i'm glad that i get an extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► day to talk to you even though I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► know if this is real or not and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► pain that they feel when this Specter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► that may or may not have been a figment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:41 ◼ ► of your imagination goes away and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7361">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► interesting when you get to revisit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:47 ◼ ► from a different perspective it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:49 ◼ ► great but it is integrate standalone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7369">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► yeah despite being a season 5 episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► video game and just parachuted in rodin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7374">TS</a>]
02:02:56 ◼ ► episode broke the streak of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7376">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► Stravinsky episodes and I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7377">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► mention uh the other dark episode that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► like the survivors by david ayer general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► which is up first season episode i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► involving people killing children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► yeah that was the one episode i skipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► battery mom which wait which one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► that's the one where the the it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► kind of a Christian Scientist kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► thing it's the alien to believe great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► honors up or is what believers yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► first believers yeah believers by David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► job because uh yeah they open them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► and then that the parents believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► he has no soul but he would have died if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► they hadn't operated on him so they save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► him but the parents believe he has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► so they killed him yes that is on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► list two minutes it's on my list because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:44 ◼ ► dark soap and it's another instant other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7424">TS</a>]
02:03:46 ◼ ► is another example of this is this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7426">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► is why that when they do that when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► satisfying because on Star Trek events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► with well thank you for telling thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► you for proving to us for making us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7435">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► finally realizing that are 10,000 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7437">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► of religious tradition have in Buncombe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► all along we have really feel as though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:02 ◼ ► we've grown from this experience Thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7442">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► You Starfleet right and thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► bringing our son back to life and and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► um yeah and then we all live happily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► ever after and how they can apply with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► our son is a zombie he is a he is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:17 ◼ ► abomination abomination of life it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7457">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► now you're making it doubly painful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► because not only do we know his soul has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► left his body but you're forcing us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► you slave this thing that looks exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► like our son you bastard like but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► thought you're going to say or do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► great thing you know you I'm gonna go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► work for deep space now with a free shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► that's one of those examples of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► making bad choices that then affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► their character going for him if well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► mean that was the key of the first you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:50 ◼ ► know Star Trek series was a good deal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7490">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► let's go in and shatter people's beliefs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:56 ◼ ► so we can bring them and civilize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7496">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► you know to Federation standards and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7499">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► know if you want to worship Bob well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► we're going to fix that we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► show you that you're right your religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:07 ◼ ► is wrong with the the prime directive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7507">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► like seem to be very variable you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:12 ◼ ► your BBQ is a lie from directors like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7512">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► addicted to stems if this goes on longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► so I think we're going to have to close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:23 ◼ ► the door on the airlock door on Babylon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7523">TS</a>]
02:05:27 ◼ ► 5 I don't you're gonna you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7527">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► space this conversation that something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► like that we're going to climb into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:32 ◼ ► climb into the yo the cautious ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7532">TS</a>]
02:05:35 ◼ ► and grieve as the vorlons do and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7535">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► fly the Sun and sort of a Viking funeral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:41 ◼ ► for lon Viking funeral so I wanna this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7541">TS</a>]
02:05:45 ◼ ► was a lot of fun I'm glad we did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7545">TS</a>]
02:05:46 ◼ ► after we said we would do it like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7546">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► years ago I finally happened and and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:53 ◼ ► but i'm not up Jason I'm not tired I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7553">TS</a>]
02:05:56 ◼ ► not tired of talking about battle so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7556">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► was going to say but before we go we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:00 ◼ ► could talk about it forever in fact you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7560">TS</a>]
02:06:02 ◼ ► could do a whole podcast about Babylon 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7562">TS</a>]
02:06:07 ◼ ► hi i could I televisions only had would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7567">TS</a>]
02:06:14 ◼ ► Donald simulcasting together we proved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7574">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► that here so who could take it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:19 ◼ ► Erica and I shall with the audio guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7579">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► to Babylon 5 which is going to launch in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:24 ◼ ► a couple of months or so at be five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7584">TS</a>]
02:06:27 ◼ ► audio guy dot-com we're going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7587">TS</a>]
02:06:29 ◼ ► every episode one at a time every couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7589">TS</a>]
02:06:31 ◼ ► of weeks and we'll do it in sections so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7591">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► there will be a I'm sure the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:36 ◼ ► horn is trademarked but we'll find a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7596">TS</a>]
02:06:39 ◼ ► a to talk about the episodes in order in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7599">TS</a>]
02:06:42 ◼ ► contact so people can watch along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7602">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► us for the very first time and then take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:47 ◼ ► a break and then I talked about just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7607">TS</a>]
02:06:50 ◼ ► of the all of the all of this for shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7610">TS</a>]
02:06:53 ◼ ► on everything else and Erica and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7613">TS</a>]
02:06:56 ◼ ► my wife shannon has been an occasional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7616">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► guest on two-minute Time Lord and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:01 ◼ ► several other guests including some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► those hopefully on the on the horn with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:06 ◼ ► us right now we'll hopefully join us in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7626">TS</a>]
02:07:08 ◼ ► talking about that that's that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7628">TS</a>]
02:07:10 ◼ ► also the spoil of war and if you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7630">TS</a>]
02:07:12 ◼ ► a mac you probably have the spoiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7632">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► on its called fairy foghorn and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:15 ◼ ► it's one of the garage band sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7635">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► effects so look for it on your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► the spoiler warnings in all of us if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:21 ◼ ► you've got a man it's justin it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7641">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► another effort to help erica take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:26 ◼ ► all of padova that's good that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7646">TS</a>]
02:07:27 ◼ ► that's that needs to happen so don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7647">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► know how I'm going with the plan be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:34 ◼ ► blonde oh dear I so-and-so you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7654">TS</a>]
02:07:39 ◼ ► b5 audioguide dot-com it's coming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7659">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► it's a that's a very that's a very funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:45 ◼ ► you're going to start at the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7665">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► yep what I think eric and i probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:49 ◼ ► need to do some negotiation over which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7669">TS</a>]
02:07:51 ◼ ► island that's true yeah alright yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7671">TS</a>]
02:07:53 ◼ ► this is true and so weak we have come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7673">TS</a>]
02:07:56 ◼ ► the end and just as he's ready to flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7676">TS</a>]
02:07:58 ◼ ► the switch that turns the lights off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7678">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► explodes the station so we have to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:03 ◼ ► our little shuttle and escape so I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7683">TS</a>]
02:08:04 ◼ ► like to thank my guess for talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7684">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► that 15 which is one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:08 ◼ ► shows i'm so glad we got to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7688">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► it might have to go we watch it now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:11 ◼ ► curse you all for making me rewatching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7691">TS</a>]
02:08:13 ◼ ► but i'll enjoy it so thank you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7693">TS</a>]
02:08:16 ◼ ► Erica and sign thank you very much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7696">TS</a>]
02:08:18 ◼ ► being back on thank you so much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7698">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► having me and I just like to say if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:22 ◼ ► could do that I wouldn't need encounter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7702">TS</a>]
02:08:23 ◼ ► suit ships other thank you for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7703">TS</a>]
02:08:27 ◼ ► you must leave now finished we are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7707">TS</a>]
02:08:30 ◼ ► is no more time leave would be trapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7710">TS</a>]
02:08:33 ◼ ► Michael Gartenberg thank you I must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7713">TS</a>]
02:08:36 ◼ ► leave now because otherwise everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7716">TS</a>]
02:08:44 ◼ ► it will make as much sense to him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZCOIVc/7724">TS</a>]