Ep. 90: "A Small Archipelago of Noses"
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I John hi Merlin is going really meant
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got a phone call with John Roderick when
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was the last time you had a chili dog
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can ask a question wasn't really you
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don't do double chili talks count
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I big so I answer just now uh my potluck
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place has introduced a new product
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called the double chili cheese dog who
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is too big old dogs on a bun with chili
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and cheese two dogs one but you don't
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just look at video that was not every
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one of those a tease people haha what do
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you mean you're gonna scare the test
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Iraq where I just had a great Matt a
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bachelor meal
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whoa you know I'm very busy right now
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these are busy times you're very busy i
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can't believe you found time for this
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you you are on TV a good will a few
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minutes ago I was on TV I was on TV
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literally one hour ago and I'm just
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stopping by stopping by the writer from
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the line studios to try and try and talk
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to you for a little while I said John
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Roderick found it and and so you're into
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that you're doing more media others just
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it's it's just a medias it's just a
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storm media and as you know there was an
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election in Seattle
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recently I heard we should talk about
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that is that ok but but I got home I got
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home and I was like I need some food i
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am still not eating carbohydrates and
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it's very difficult to continue to get
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food in your body so hard so I got home
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and I was like what do I have and I go
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into the refrigerator and I'm like I
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roasted and I've I pan-fried a couple of
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chicken breast and olive oil the other
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day and I had those I was like right but
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i need but there's I can't just eat two
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chicken breasts that's just a little bit
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to fern bar you know what I mean
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olive oil chicken breasts too firm bar
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so I was like what else do I have
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well because I have a daughter i have
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string cheese so I took some string
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cheese out and I stringed it you know
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you pull it apart and mixed rings and I
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covered the chicken breast with string
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cheese and i was like but it needs
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something else and then i saw that i
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have some roast beef so i covered the
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string cheese with roast beef and i
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microwaved it and I tell you it is the
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greatest food I've had in weeks
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my mind is spinning it see now nothing
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is your brain i be thinkin noodles
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noodles noodles
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I can't have noodles what am I going to
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do you took in another direction you've
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invented an entirely new kind of Cordon
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Bleu it's basically a cordon bleu except
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with with children string cheese and
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sandwich meat roasted salmon Josh and
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the whole page so i ate it with a knife
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and fork and everybody was like it can
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the next might be better than the last
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and everybody was better than the last
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you'll be good a little bit of hot
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mustard on that
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oh now that you say it I should i have
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some hot mustard about some of that
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great German or some or some horseradish
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have you been back to your right to I
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don't really even back to your German
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Lenny or shoppy know because i'm so busy
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that I I'm afraid to stock up on
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anything but no I here's what i did
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there is a butcher in in Seattle's
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columbia city neighborhood which
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actually point of order my family lower
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Mike my great-great-uncle Junius the
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racist the races lawyer I think his
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brother another great uncle of mine not
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my great grandfather george alfred
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Caldwell rochester but their third
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brother all of whom escaped from
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Tennessee after the Civil War to make
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their way out west
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the third brother was somehow
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responsible for the planting and selling
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of columbia city in my family that he is
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regarded as the founder of columbia city
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now and and you know within my family
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that you have to take that someone with
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a grain of salt but it's been said so
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much that I believe every time I Drive
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through columbia city i'm like well it's
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basically belongs to me this whole part
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of town
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there's a butcher their name Bob the
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butcher and he's like one of these last
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remaining storefront butcher shops and
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his Bob just recently died but his son
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who looks exactly like Jeffrey Dahmer
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used to you know give me like butcher
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butcher treatment the butcher could
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picture a business where he trap I'd
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pick a piece of meat out and he wrapped
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in white paper and it was it felt very
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much like how i wish the world still was
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who I went in there the other day and
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there is a little Korean gal and then
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her mom a little Korean gal and they
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both were given me the hard sell on on
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my butcher experience they're like you
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know what do you want
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let's go let's get moving you want that
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we can do that they want oriental
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efficient ceiling working with you want
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two of those you want for those right I
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was like ah yeah well m 16 hours we're
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starting to get over here and i got
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these porterhouse over there like listen
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what you want is you want one of these
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bulk rates and they handed me a piece of
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paper and it was like four hundred and
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sixty-seven dollars you can get five
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pounds of bacon five pounds of sausage
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five pounds of chicken to whole
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free-range chickens a rump roast for
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porterhouse steaks and 10 pounds of
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hamburger or something like that and I
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was like yes I do want that that is the
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way a man wants to shop be give me a
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piece of paper with a lot of meat on it
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and then give you some money
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yeah I 110 3 pork roasts and a half a
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dozen pork steaks and I was like well I
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want that but I don't want this and the
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other one was like that's fine we can do
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that we do it all by weight and so all
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then all of a sudden it gets into it
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turns into this crazy transaction
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they're like all right we're taking two
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pounds off of that we're going to give
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you two pounds more of this and
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writing it all down and putting it on
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the scale and I kind of feel like she's
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putting her thumb on the scale and the
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daughters weighing something over across
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the room that I can't see I'm trying to
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like run over there and see that and
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then I come back and and the mom has
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already wrapped up for porterhouse
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steaks that I kind of like was like
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women i didn't know that's that'sthat's
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big-city butcher and you don't want that
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it was super big city butchering and
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then all of a sudden I'm like whoa wait
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a minute it's all in bags and it's like
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a hundred sixty-seven dollars please
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and I didn't want to have a it was
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another one of these like difficult
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cultural exchanges where it's like do I
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go back and have them unwrap all this
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stuff and weigh it all in front of me
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no i don't i accept that this is the way
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this this transaction ran I'll know
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better next time
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and I walked out of there with two bags
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of meat that were that each bag required
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both women to lift it over the camera so
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I i'm walking down the street with to
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basically meet and villains and people
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are getting out of my way on the street
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because they say just now they like
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instinctively sense here comes a lion
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with a wildebeest in his mouth like I
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had so much meat on me and we have been
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eating through this meat and frankly it
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was worth a hundred sixty-seven dollars
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even if she was putting her thumb on the
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scale any thought about seeking redress
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with Bob jr. well that's the thing but i
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can only assume either Bob jr. has sold
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a portion or the entirety of his
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business to these women or perhaps Bob
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jr. is married to one of the moon and
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the business is that and they were like
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listen Bob jr. we got this we got what
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will take care of the business from here
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on out and he's just sitting in the back
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chopping up teenage boys or I don't know
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what he's doing
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I haven't seen him in a long time I know
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his dad died but you know the meat is
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all from local farms but but the butcher
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shop does not advertise itself in any
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kind of hippie-dippie way there's no no
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there's no sign out front that says
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locally-sourced artisanal anything it's
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just like yes we get our meat
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from the following farms that are around
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the town but we're not precious about it
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and the meat is actually much cheaper
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than it is even in the groceries i'm not
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usually the type that was my hand held
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in situations like that if it's
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something you know really
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straightforward you know if I go in and
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I say i want to punch recipe finder
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wanna have a conversation about it but I
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think in that case they're leaving
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behind a little bit of the high-touch
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service that would make you seek out a
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Bob jr. yes and that's what Bob jr. used
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to sit and talk to me about every kind
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of meat is this is the guy used to talk
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to you about grass-fed things uh know
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that Bob jr. was a little bit i have to
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say a little bit on the spectrum
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mm so he could talk about the job that's
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a good job good job good job
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yeah he he could talk to me about the
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meat but he wasn't like a scintillating
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like wide-ranging conversationalist
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but but that and I realized something
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the other day a lot of my problem in the
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world and I feel like this is true
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youtube is that I do not like salesman
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and it doesn't matter what they're
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selling
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I so don't like salesman that I feel
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like in the course of my life i have
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made bad decisions or or I have thwarted
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myself repeatedly because the person on
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the other side of the table was trying
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to sell it to me and I was like you know
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what fuck this place
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I threw garbage can through the window
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and I burned it down and you know like
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like a robbery t.i Roger it instead of
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since Ted of indoor five minutes of some
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guy selling me something in that voice
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and in that tone and it's why I don't
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like it's why I don't like pastors it's
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why I don't like mortgage brokers or car
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salesman but it feels it feels whenever
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I totally agree and I think that i do
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share that with you but it's probably i
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always feel like I'm a mark you know I
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they may see me as Ali but I feel like a
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mark you know the whole thing as long as
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the salesman is still talking still
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closing
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you know as long as the President as
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long as I'm still there yelling at the
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guy at the door like there's still a
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transaction
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that could potentially happen yeah and I
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guess it is that they aren't they are
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never ever ever interested in me in any
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way other than that I am a human-shaped
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cut out with a bull's-eye on his face
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you know like there's whatever feigned
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interest they are displaying like I i
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oh she has a new dental hygienist two
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years because my tennis drives me insane
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with that stuff
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well and I'm a my dentist i like very
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much but she has a new hygienist who's
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like a young gal who was talking about
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like when i graduated from high school
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in 98 and I was like stop right there
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but she was given me that whole business
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of like so where you from
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so what do you put it there and I was
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like Lady seriously don't like be
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friendly but we're not trying to learn
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about each other like don't pretend that
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you are trying to learn about me for
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anything other than some kind of mental
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rolodex of like how's your daughter type
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of comments that you're going to
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sprinkle through the years like this let
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it ride
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you know you know just chill baby chill
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well with my dentist he's very
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charismatic very handsome but he and his
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whole staff and by the way his mom is
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his hygienist but just super she's the
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one who always gives me the printouts
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about how you can get heart disease i
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don't floss enough she's giving me the
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same xerox about how i'm going to get
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I'm gonna it'sit's I guess it's a real
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thing but apparently if you don't floss
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enough to get heart disease because the
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plaque goes through your gums into your
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heart because science
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yeah and but the problem with this guy
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is I always feel like he's he noted is
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it I do feel like he's selling me
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something like he's selling me a deep
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clean that's coming he's telling me some
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kind of you know like any of those folks
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to trust your mechanic right back to the
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Dead Kennedys like he's looking for some
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inroads about my own fears or
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sensitivities to find some way to sell a
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dental product again and what it comes
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down to for me is like I feel like this
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is and this is me maybe I maybe I want a
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bad doctor but I want a bad doctor I
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want to go to somebody who
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like yeah yeah you got fucking up the
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same but we gotta fight that shit you
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mean bad doctor like bad lieutenant that
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kind of like taking out of he has two
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without putting something awful but
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something like a lawyer like I want
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someone who's on my side I want somebody
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who's like fighting fighting the the
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health problem with me resident being
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like the mediator with the health
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problems like well I've been talking to
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your heart disease i'm pretty sure it's
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because you need a deep clean it
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probably makes you feel pretty bad you
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got a kid you really don't want to die
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and it is you know what I mean I don't
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feel like when I go in there I want
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somebody who's gonna buy want to clean
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my teeth you know not show me endless
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slides of the furniture that he has made
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god bless him but I just I just like
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being sold and that puts me on the
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defensive and now I'm that guy
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yeah I feel like the only sales pitch
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that I respond to is I don't give a fuck
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whether you buy this or not it's the
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like i'm selling it because I believe in
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it or because I made it and if you don't
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want it then your spin your dumbass but
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it doesn't matter to me
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yeah but if that's something we're like
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you're in there as a motivated buyer if
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you go in there and say i wanna i want
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to get this certain what's the big
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international harvester that's the big
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transporter what's the name of the big
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car you want super been like if you go
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to if you go to Bob's Bob suburban and
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and and Bob you know Bob senior absorb
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suburban senior is there you go in there
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and he can help you make a decision
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about like what fits your budget in your
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needs that's kind of cells when I could
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use what I don't need in there is
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somebody going you know you really are
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dickless wonder you should get a
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suburban right all those guys on
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craigslist you are like why I think I
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told you right attacks more pictures and
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looked at a suburban and I wrote the guy
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and I said yeah its burdens got a lot
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more rust than you said it had like ice
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is to send me some pictures and you sent
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me some pictures of the parts that
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weren't rusty but then i went looked at
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it and it's got all this rust on it and
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he writes back and he says well that
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rust is typical for 73 was like really
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like my love my lying should have been
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anticipated
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yeah thank you for the education about
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what is typical and what is not
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but in fact like like if you're if if
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you if the thing is honest it sells
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itself right and if it's like I won't
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the Cadillac the other day there's
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another one I'm going to I'm going out
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looking at a lot like an old like giant
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Cadillac it was a 65 Cadillac was a
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massive cadillac and he had taken these
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cool pictures about a of it and I was
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like so many recipes like none at all i
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said is how big the motor need it's like
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it's a 500 and I was like this Cadillac
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seems like my kinda cadillac and I went
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to look at it and as I Drive up I'm like
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what the and i said is that has the
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suspension been modified and he was like
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oh yeah the guy before me like lowered
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it but he only lowered in the front end
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because he couldn't figure out how to
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take the suspension out of the back end
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I was like haha so the front bumper is
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dragging on the ground because some kid
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tried to put it on air bags but didn't
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know what he was doing and that is a
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thing that you now that I look at the
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photographs you took you took these
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photographs with it with the stick a
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look at Peter Jackson angle
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yeah with the sure knowledge that that
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was not being revealed you said nothing
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about it in the ad we talked about it
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you include the line please don't waste
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my time in your ad and now i'm out here
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and i'm looking at a car that is
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basically a halloween pumpkin and like
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you know I i have learned not to look at
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a guy like that and say like by the way
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fuck you because i don't i cannot afford
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to walk around thinking that my time is
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worth money because if I did think that
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I would be I would be just so depressed
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it's if I think if I thought my time was
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with money so I'm just like you know
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what this was this was a nice drive in
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the country out to your suburban house
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to look at this thing for one and a half
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seconds and know that what it needs to
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be put back together and I'm not gonna
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stand here and argue premio he was like
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seven thousand dollars firm and I'm like
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yeah firm like the suspension probably
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is because it's sitting on the axle
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anyway go go fuck yourself but you know
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like go fuck yourself is implied in
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those situations
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yeah I just you know it'sit's what
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hardens me as a person though not a good
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way is that it makes me continually feel
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like I have to protect against like I
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want to be somebody who trust people
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because that's my nature but then you
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have enough experiences like that or
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somebody who who doesn't tell you about
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the black mold in the basement of the
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house that you're buying or whatever you
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know it's like it's just you just keep
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you almost have to approach each of
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those situations assuming that there's a
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body in the trunk like there's something
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you're gonna have to figure out about
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this that they're just not gonna tell
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and so you know you got something you
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can just say like what's really fucked
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up about this that you're not telling me
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you know yeah there will be so nice to
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have that conversation with somebody
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well you know actually I'm Dominator
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might not be right
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I'm not sure give me the five word
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answer of the thing you are most afraid
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that I'm gonna find out about this
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product that's really good you can go
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into it and say to somebody i'm going to
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tell you what might what I'm worried
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about you tell me what you're worried
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about right like I'm I'm worried this
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mean I get great mileage but like I want
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it so much that I leavin you know what
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are you worried about him or you'll find
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out that it's sitting on the axle boom
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we're gonna find out the people we're
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better people than that
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yeah the door souls are stars are full
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of moldy cocaine
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I don't buy that car yeah that's the
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exact opposite effects i think cocaine I
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think even moldy cocaine has some street
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value for somebody who's always somebody
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you probably had that at some point what
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moldy cocaine while you're at a party
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and somebody says we're out of the
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regular cocaine always left is the multi
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cocaine
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ok I heard I heard you have okay I
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definitely had some drugs that were
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transported in a gas tank
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oh no because they smelled like gas and
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they were the only drugs in that town at
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the time small mountain town and
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everybody knew that it was the really
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the worst possible thing but they were
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the only drugs available and so you'd be
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sitting around you drinking beer at
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somebody's house and they'd be like
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a certain point they'd pull out the bag
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and everybody like is that the gas stuff
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it smells like VW Bug did you know and
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you just like the gassed up and it came
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across the border in a gas tank and it
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wasn't sealed properly or something and
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everybody was like getting i'll discuss
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so even though you the provenance you
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know the provenance is fucked up you
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know you you know that at at this at
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least been against yet let alone what
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you can't smell on it
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oh yeah and half but half the high is
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just chlorofluorocarbons from like it's
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just like smoking unleaded gas is di
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seems like i'm going to pass out
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sometimes when i was driving my VW bus
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I mean that the smell of gas was was so
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strong everything pretty much every old
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school BTW been it's like that
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yeah it's a part of the air-cooled
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engine it routes the exhaust through the
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dashboard very clever
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yeah why feel like this thing you know
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like one of the one of the unexpected
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and nice things about the about the rise
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of the Internet and the and and all of
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the kind of social media a shin is that
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you and I both like the word is out
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about us right everywhere I go people
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already know they already know where the
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rust is in my door cells because it's
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part of my online brand even you know
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and what when when the name of your
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superhero rust that's right but when the
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internet first came up i don't mean I we
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can we can set the Wayback Machine it
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wasn't that long ago but you know i
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remembers people telling me like don't
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post on message boards you need to keep
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your privacy and the mystery about you
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as an artist and and I was very worried
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about privacy we were all so worried
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about privacy but the reality is that
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the truth of me is available to anybody
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that that wants to look forward at all
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he can you put out a 200-hour craigslist
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Yeah Yeah right that step is it says no
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flakes and read the whole thing you'll
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for Hitler this this podcast is for men
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in the aggregate over time the true
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story of of of any person who is like
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pursuing a public life
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just the you cannot manage your story
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completely over time in a sort of daily
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posting and people posting about you you
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cannot hide the the truth and and and
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it's not like I ever wanted to I always
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felt like I'm you know that that that
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that disclaimer business on a first date
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with somebody or the first time you meet
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somebody and you want to sit down and
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say like here's the thing nine games
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here's the thing i'm afraid i'm most
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afraid you're going to find out about me
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and then the person goes oh shit you're
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like yeah I know right i have two huge
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dicks and then we have to navigate like
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what's that mean what does that mean for
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us what does that mean for you with
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everybody listen this is going to come
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listen eventually I don't want I don't
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be surprised and so but but now like all
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of that is out there right it and and
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the presumption is that people you know
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before they sit down with you for the
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first time have already done at least
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that first swipe of like who the fuck is
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this person
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page of results it's like all the infos
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there you can tell that this guy this
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guy like Merlin Mann is going to be a
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challenging interview John Roderick is
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going to be a difficult a boyfriend like
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this stuff is basically in our Wikipedia
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page and and I no longer feel like
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privacy issues in in that sense it's
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like what
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it's maintaining your privacy about
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about certain things is like so easy
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as long as you're not trying to hide the
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the essential truth about you
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yeah that won't let you know when you're
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a public basket case i think people
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really the country a break
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that's what i like to think anyone well
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that's yeah that's why we have pursued
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this this public baths basket case
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personalized one funny part of it with
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social media stuff though is that you
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know i think yeah a lot of people are
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looking forward to the day when somebody
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sees them and goes oh you posted that
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funny thing on facebook or your
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Instagram photo of some telephone wires
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was really inspiring to me and you know
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and and they keep waiting for that and
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the day that happens it's really magical
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but then after that you know if your if
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your Instagram photos of telephone wires
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inspiring people eventually you're
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you're like Instagram telephone wire guy
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alright again that story's not yours
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anymore that's that's the thing is like
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whatever it is whether you intended it
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to be that way or not like screech
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probably didn't think he was going to be
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screened she went to the screen test
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because he just showed up here or
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screech screech I found some photos of
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Mason Reese yeah he's a handsome kid
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he's a club owner she's even get a get a
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bigger this place for this mark III had
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an interesting experience the other day
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i'm doing a lot of media recently and a
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like a DJ posted a link to an interview
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that I did on one on his podcast this DJ
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Marco Collins who was a famous somehow
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yeah the market Colin sessions
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Marco Collins he was a big big proponent
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of grunge and indie and he just i know
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from that silkworm records he was here
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local DJ yeah he was he was like the
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alternative rock DJ before there wasn't
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such a thing as indie rock like a
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rotting on the rocks kind of career
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maker John Boyle County enter he was the
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one who discovered and made the career
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of harvey danger
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wow I and he used to live across the
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hall from me we have a long history
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together but he thought he had me on a
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podcast he does and he posted a link to
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it on his facebook page which he told
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the connected to me and so I went
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followed the link to where was posted on
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inside and there were a series of
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comments underneath it and as i'm
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reading the comments i realized that
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some of the comments are hidden from me
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all this is like a facebook thing right
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was like some stuff you just can't see
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on facebook or i can only imagine that
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it's because the people who those people
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have blocked me
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I don't know they're not like a friend
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of a friend or something because there's
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some stuff where you can see can see it
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in certain places in certain situations
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but but you think you think it's like
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they willfully like blocked you from
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seeing things that they do well know the
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reason I know that they're there is that
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that the that you know 5 or 6 comments
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down there's a comment from a guy who's
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like oh and I suppose you've ever done
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anything as brilliant as when I pretend
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to fall in your life mr. guy who then I
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was like that that curious i was like
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who's that in response to and I read the
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five things before that were like you
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know first or whatever and I'm like this
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is he's woozy talking two and then three
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or four comments down he's like
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well uh in my experience john robert has
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never been anything but the nicest guy
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and he let my band opened for him once
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in san diego and they were super cool
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towards you want to see what ppl are
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defending you against on and i'm like
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who is he arguing with and then further
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down another person chimes in who is
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like who is obviously responding to of
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second person and saying like I happen
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to think that the John Roderick is like
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a prince and a sweetheart and I'm like
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who are you arguing with that what are
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they say and I you know I I realized
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just from looking at the reflected
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argument that through the course of this
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you know however many long comments I
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you could tell that the that whoever it
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was that had an axe to grind was
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grinding a personal acts they weren't
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saying like I hate his band they were
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they were 10 st. John Roxanne asshole
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they would ya ever similar and it was
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coming from a place where they were
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probably somebody that I once punched in
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the nose like they're there is this
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small archipelago of noses that i have
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punched in the last 20 years who are
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probably also on facebook and who are
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they continued to live after I punch
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them in the nose they did not they did
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not go very weary and wait and be gone
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they are can they are alive people in
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the world who I have forgotten
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completely but for whom that punch in
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the nose was a singular event that they
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have not let go of they are still they
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may remember being and I still the end
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the end the idea that I'm out there
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doing well having fun still infuriates
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but you could tell you could tell by the
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tenor of the people defending me that
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were visible to me that that the
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complaints against me were didn't make
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sense to
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anyone in the context of this post this
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podcast yeah it was some kind of a
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little like just a dive bomb
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yeah people were like what's your
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problem and but but but was curious to
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me was that there were at least two
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people owe on this on this facebook
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thread that that were like grinding
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pretty serious axis and and you know it
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caused me to reflect like what is the
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what's the worst thing I did to somebody
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that i have forgotten completely about
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but that they are probably will nurse to
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their grave that sounds like the basis
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for a game show that would run for
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probably four or five seasons it's kind
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of like it's kind of like this is your
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life meets what's my line is like you're
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the one is blindfolded and somebody
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comes in you have to with a minimum of
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information try to remember what you did
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Yeah right there like there's still so
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mad you can just hear the seething in
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their voice and you're like what what
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did i do you know it turns out like Oh
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Rachel was your ex-girlfriend
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oh I only come out with her for a couple
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of weeks and the person's like yeah I
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broke up with her eight hours beforehand
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and she like hooked up with you that
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night and I will I'll hate you forever
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it's like I never even met you dude she
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didn't say anything about it I was just
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like I met her at a show you know hey we
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do wish you had equal time
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no I mean that's the thing if I cared i
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think i could probably game the facebook
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system used to get one of your non block
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friends to go and look at it right yeah
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and I'm sure having now talked about it
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you know somebody from the internet army
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will figure it will find out what it was
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but a better but no ultimately I don't
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care because ultimately everyone of us
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has left probably enough of a trail of
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it's just that it's just that in this in
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this case because the because the forum
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where it was happening was on this rock
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and roll djs facebook page
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it was it kind of opened the door to all
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these people out in the world who may be
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still are mad at me about my punk rock
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article or maybe we worked together at
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the end of pizza parlor 20 years ago and
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you know like all that weird stuff from
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now from when you're 21 it's like always
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that a drug deal gone wrong
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where the stakes were fifteen dollars
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and you are still convinced right that
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that I am like an evil person because
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like you didn't get your fifteen dollars
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with the weed that time when you can't I
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can't carry that forward because i know
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i mean when i think about what's the
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worst thing I ever did I always come to
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this blank space where it's like well
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probably the worst thing I did was some
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mostly inadvertent active dis courtesy
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or you know like in considerateness that
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where I was oblivious and the other
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person was left embarrassed standing
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there but I mean if that's the worst
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thing you ever did to somebody I think
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it's like I can live with it you know I
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never I never look somebody in the eye
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and said i will love you forever like
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that the thing about what you're
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describing them and I you know I don't
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know I guess I've been in situations
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like that is is you know 25 30 years ago
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that would have been what we would just
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simply call talking behind someone's
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back where somebody tosses out something
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that they heard or believe or reckon
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about somebody and somebody else comes
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back with what they've heard or believe
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or reckon and you know that could be
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about John Davidson like who knows like
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you're going to sit there and have a
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conversation about whether a football
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player is gay
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you could have a conversation about
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whether Rod Stewart drink semen la
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whatever entity do it i still wonder so
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rod stewart at some point in the early
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eighties probably heard that there's a
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certain myth about him and Judaism but
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like he but he never had to go
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yeah he's knee-deep in Rachel Hunter at
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the time and he didn't sure you know
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yes dehydrated
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somebody probably you know came across
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that just using professional said that
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but the am but but it's just today it's
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happening right in front and in your
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case you can't even see part of the
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reckoning
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yeah that's the crazy part of though is
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that you know it is the part about
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that's kind of funny as it sounds like
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some of those people know you a little
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bit but it's interesting to watch people
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fight and extremely abstracts fight via
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proxy and via reckoning well because
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that's what a lot of that I heard John's
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really nice well I heard one time John
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you know it you and it's true of
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everybody anybody's ever seen something
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like that it really it feels like your
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dad at your own funeral or something
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like what are you people talking about
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this is weird
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yeah well and and what you say about
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this talking behind people's back like
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I've struggled with that my whole adult
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life because there is absolutely a
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segment of of the world the segment of
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the world that we both grew up in
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definitely a big part of the culture in
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Alaska but it's part of rock-and-roll
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culture it's part of Southern culture is
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this idea that you don't talk shit about
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people and I think it's not classy
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it's not classy but it but but taken to
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a butBut taken to like an old-west
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extreme
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it you know it becomes a I mean what i
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have always considered it to be like a
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very strange rule when applied to
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situations where like well somebody did
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something bad and I to not mention it is
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a kind of gross oversight you know
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anyone amongst people you know I'm
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discussing someone that you personally
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know like this person cheated on that
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person this person I know cheated on
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this other person yeah
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yes the whole idea of like of because
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because I've always admired that that
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kind of image of a man who is incredibly
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reticent who keeps quiet and doesn't let
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you know doesn't let on what he's
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thinking make snow makes no verbal
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judgment never lets you in like that
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that step Clint Eastwood squinty-eyed
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sort of Appalachian quietude that is in
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such contrast to my like verbal
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processing my like sort of exuberant
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like that that the kind of exponential
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way than I talk and think and so that
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that culture of difference I've always
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I've always wished that I could be a
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little bit more quiet and swaggering
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instead of so instead of so verbal and
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Andy it it is it's it's the most that
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different the the the the tip of the
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blade of that difference is always in
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exchanges i have in the music scene with
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punk rockers or rockin rollers like the
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tough tough kids
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who make a point to who just don't who
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don't talk but are also very protective
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of being talked about you know they're
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they're hyper worried about being talked
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about and like for me that disparagingly
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at all ready yeah and for me for the for
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the last 20 years like if somebody was
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talking about me i had a secret pride or
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secret joy I i remember a girl the girl
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came up to me in a bar one time and she
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said there's a there's something really
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interesting read about you on the
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women's room wall
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I was like what she said I'm not going
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to tell you and all the sudden I'm
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sitting in this crowded rock bar looking
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around and thinking every woman in this
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bar has read this because you know
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because it came out over time like other
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people would say like haha haha i read
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that thing about you on the crocodile
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bathroom wall and I was like what does
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it say nobody would nobody would tell me
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it was fun and and over time I was like
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I'm not gonna go in there and look at it
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i love that there's something written
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about me on the bathroom wall that
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everybody thinks is like I would say is
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it means an unflattering and they say no
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not unflattering ones one of John's two
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giant dicks is crooked
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yeah exactly like one of John's two
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giant dicks really satisfied me forever
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but the other one well listen to into it
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was crooked yeah I couldn't I couldn't
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get it to work and so but the knowledge
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that that was on the bathroom wall
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what-whatever anxiety I felt about it as
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soon as i understood that it wasn't it
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wasn't saying like John Roderick gave me
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tooth decay for John Roderick was mean
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to my lady parts like from that point on
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I was like hooray
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there's something written about me on a
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bathroom wall somewhere like I'm gonna
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I'm gonna
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right about that in my journal and it
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was a it was it was something that i
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took pride in but there are i know for a
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fact most of my rock-and-roll peers
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would be seriously bothered or not most
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but let's say half of the people i know
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will be seriously bothered that was in
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there and they would want to erase it
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immediately you know they would not want
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to be singled out in that way called out
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publicly and I i have this long-range
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long-standing dispute with a local
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producer who came up to me drunk and
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built to spill show one time he said I
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hear you're talking shit about me and I
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said what are you talking about and he
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said I just heard that you were talking
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shit about and I said you mean that we
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had a recording session together that
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went really badly because you were a
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snob and he said I'm not going to tell
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you who said it but don't talk shit
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about me i said i don't think it's
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talking shit about you when I relate to
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another musician what my experience of
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working with you was like and he said
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quit talking shit about me like you mean
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it was a drunk exchange but then every
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time I saw him for the next two and a
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half years he would have most of the
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time be drunk with his fists kind of
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clenched his side's swaying back and
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forth trying to figure out whether he
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was gonna punch me or not trying to
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figure out if he could if he could punch
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me basically was he trying to trying to
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suss out and he is punished
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well it's you know just I mean that it's
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basically what's happening in every bar
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south of the mason-dixon line at all
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times but he's standing there you know
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you talking shit about me and I'm like
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really like five years ago now is that
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what was that what we're is that we're
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talking about now and each time he was
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just trying to figure out if you can
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punch me any number
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he never could and it but it but it kept
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hammering home this point of like
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talking shit talking shit what it what
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does that represent to people because i
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have never ever not only have I never
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said to somebody stop talking shit about
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me but I have never felt that you know
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when when somebody says I heard from I
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heard from somebody who will remain
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nameless that you blah blah blah like I
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always feel like well either it's true
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in which case I deserve to have that
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report about me or its false in which
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case who cares like it's false
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this person is saying something false
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about me and that's anybody who believes
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it is not a friend of mine and I don't
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care like outside of like my friends
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don't care what a bunch of ding-a-lings
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think you could say i'm at people and
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I'm sure to tell lies about us all so I
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never understood like what is talking
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shit is it saying something true about
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you that you don't want people to know
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in which case that's your problem wasn't
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saying something false about you in
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which case who cares there it's just
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people are lying about
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I guess I mean when you say talking shit
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i mean i would take that to mean that
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you someone is deliberately undermining
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somebody trying to incite some kind of a
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whisper campaign where enough people
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know about something i could just be
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there just shoot the shit you say oh
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well you know this guy was real drunk in
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the studio or something like that if it
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feels like it feels like that is that is
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human not as humanity or that is that
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that is one of the foundational elements
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of civilization you get I mean I mean I
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mean this preschool with my daughter
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what the hell do these moms stand around
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talking about after a certain after
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you're after you're done talking about
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what a dumb little idiot and shitty
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roommates your kids are
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they just start talking about the other
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moms and yes it's insidious yes it's
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usually talk about things that have
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disappointed them in my experience
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that's the common that's the common
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parent topic is is what's disappointing
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disappointing about oh you know just
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about about just something that didn't
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go their way it could be and it could be
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something germane like talking to a
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teacher
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it could be something with a cleaning
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person it could be I don't know that the
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yoga studio change the recipe for their
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lattes I don't know but I mean you know
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it's I think there's the the effort
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other people say this but the one the
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one topic the that almost every American
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can talk to someone else about as bad
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customer service
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I think we're always willing to bitch
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about how we feel like we've been
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treated by other people
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that's pretty much what almost every
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conversation eventually comes down too
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well and I guess that is the definition
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of talking shit right maybe talking
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about the bad customer service you got
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from a friend or co-worker or something
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operation artist its kind of that you're
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being malicious in saying those things
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you know we all have opinions that we we
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have we may have opinions may be strong
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opinions may be controversial opinions
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some of which we keep to ourselves in
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some of which we don't think the talking
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shit opponent is that you're out there
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like deliberately trying to undermine me
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with friends and strangers by saying
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something that I that person probably
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feels is not true i'm guessing
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yeah it's a design on the number is
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right or wrong but I think that's what
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most people mean it's like you're saying
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untrue things about me behind my back
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and trying to make me look bad and I
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guess I feel like that is that is a that
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is pretty rare like what type of person
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then people saying something that they
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well you bad things to say about people
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yeah like this local producer he felt
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like i was talking shit about him
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because some musician that came to work
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talk i talked to John Roderick and he
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shit that is like a yelp review that is
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within who told rain right if you don't
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consult your other friends who have
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worked with people and they give you an
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honest and and I think his expectation
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that it's that whole business of
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recommendation letters right where the
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recommendation letters like they
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performed their duties and I was like
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the damning with faint praise yeah like
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that's not really much of a
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recommendation and the expectation that
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some users would say how was it working
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with du DX and i would say it was
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like just as much shit talking it's just
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saying straight out like the guy was not
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very good at every story the other day
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about Jack Lemmon she's things on this
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wiki page but the story goes that you
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know Jaclyn and lemon as much as he was
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like a cursing guy and stuff like that
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he is a very very kind person who always
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made time for other people he mentored
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Kevin Spacey he just didn't sound like
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he was just a really splendid guy but he
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was pretty famous apparently in the
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industry for never saying a bad word
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about anybody and you can read this for
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yourself with the story goes on Burt
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Reynolds approached him about working
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with this one director and general guy
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you know he's okay he's okay Burt
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Reynolds what work on any chemically
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what we'll be talking about that guy
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that guy's like the biggest asshole i've
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ever met in my life is like the worst
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gig i've ever had that well yeah I can
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see how you say that you know so in a
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way its you like kind of also be saying
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let's say recommendation letter
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disservice because you're you're kind of
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conveying
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conversation using at least having
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somebody you're conveying approval tacit
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Leon somebody where you probably should
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give more information
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well yeah it going with the producer guy
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you would want to say to somebody about
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spend money or give points or whatever
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to say like oh this guy's this guy's
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this is a guy you know you know it's
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hard to make music it's hard to be in
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the studio it's even in the best of
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situations it's stressful and costly and
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you know you would want to believe that
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somebody you go in there with somebody's
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gonna be looking out for you unlike my
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dentist be looking out for you and
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making sure that the best product
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possible is being made in a way that
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makes you look good makes music looks
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good and where they go out of their way
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and and you wouldn't you didn't have
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that experience with this person kinda I
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feel like I feel like culturally the the
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attitudes that don't talk to the cops
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attitude is like I is against society it
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is not you know if they don't talk to
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the cops is is this kind of stuff don't
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don't snitch culture yet don't snitch
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it's this sort of like urban circling
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the wagons against the like the
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perceived enemy of the cops but in fact
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don't talk to the cops don't snitch when
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that becomes endemic in a culture what
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you end up with is a culture that is
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root ruled by the Mafia you know like
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the the way the Mafia gets power is that
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it circulates this idea that that's
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niching to the cops is ineffective and
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is and is destructive to your you know
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the unity of your of your smaller
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community but what you end up then with
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is no recourse to the cops no recourse
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to the culture you only have recourse to
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the ever-shrinking like snake eating its
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tail of this of you know what the the
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separate the separate law a of the kind
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of the outsider law and I feel like that
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is that is up
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absolutely true with this in a different
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with this like I never say anything bad
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about anybody culture because what you
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end up with is like like Walter Matthau
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maybe was a very sweet man but I would
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not trust his word about a thing you
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know like I I you end up you end up
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being trustworthy because if
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everything's fine
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well clearly everything isn't fine right
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and I you know I I have always felt like
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my friends are people about whom I speak
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candidly end and I expect them to speak
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candidly about me and that is the found
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that is the foundation of our trust
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not that they keep my secrets and I keep
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theirs but rather that the what I like
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about them is that there's no uh that
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that candor isn't a threat to them and
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Anna ultimately I feel like anyone to
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whom candor is a threat is a district is
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an untrustworthy person but I think
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that's kind of endemic to things like
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movies music politics i mean if you
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speak outside of a certain kind of code
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then you get your comeuppance because
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when you when you speak as you say
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candidly in certain ways about certain
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it has a very specific meaning to it it
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means you're kind of you know taking off
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the gloves
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feel like that is our that is our duty
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as people who are who want the world to
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be a better place we cannot keep living
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in in this new speak era of no bad news
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no bad talk to me but i'm going to put
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in politics though you know you have to
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have that certain level of decorum you
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know in order to keep working together
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even when we disagree with each other
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and but you know you never want to get
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it to the point where like look what
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happened with the we know with the
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sequester whatever it's called you know
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what we was getting kind of uglier and
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uglier and more and more at this
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it was it was you know you get beyond
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that kind of surface level of like we
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disagree on these things
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this person is wrong it's down to this
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person's bad but then pretty soon
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you start to get to the basics of what
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real bear bare-knuckle politics is which
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is that we're all yeah we're all part of
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the same hypocrisy much or whatever the
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line is you know that they were all
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they're all in this game where we where
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we learn to circle our wagons around the
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one who's growing in power and to
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marginalize the one is falling out of
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power and all the meeting that is not
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part of politics it's about it but it's
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the ugliness of politics i mean i feel
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like the I feel like my main complaint
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about the Obama administration is that
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he never takes the gloves off
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I wish that obama had been had had
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spoken truth to power at the beginning
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of his administration their their
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decision to not prosecute the bush
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administration for war crimes to not
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ever speak ill of the Bush
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administration which was a criminal
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enterprise but in order you know in
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order to preserve the Republic he he
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entered office with this you know
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basically like Ford pardoning Nixon this
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blanket part of of ten or eight years of
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in of total insanity and they never
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revisited and and the Obama
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administration never says like the
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problems that we're having today are a
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direct result of these and these maniacs
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from you know from eight years ago they
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just it's just like all happy talk and
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I'd and I don't believe in it because
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monitoring language instead of ideas you
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know at a certain point we we as a
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culture we said we no longer use the
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word nigger and then it was like we no
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longer use the word Negro and then we no
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longer use the word black but racism
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survived and people like David Duke
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learn just to use the word urban and all
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of his followers knew that urban meant
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black and in most cases all elements
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followers knew that urban myth nigger
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but the butt so that so the the work
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that we did two to expunge the language
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of its ugliness
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had very little effect on expunging the
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rotten core of a all it did was was
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masking under seven layers of euphemism
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cutting through euphemistic language
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when talking about
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I i don't think i do not think and this
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bellingham ahead its core the idea that
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civic discourse that civility is the
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thing that preserves our comfort and our
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way of life and that if we all step
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civilization and in fact it's just it's
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just ever deadening layers of politeness
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that mask our you know what that mask
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this this like growing animal hatred we
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have for one another
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that when Clinton was when Clinton was
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was pilloried for his blowjob in the
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Oval Office or whatever and he's out
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there you familiarize unless and right
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and lot bare faced lying and revealing
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himself revealing himself to be a you
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know a stupid duplicitous and-and-and
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obfuscator and all this like you watched
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his character just kind of come apart
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through that whole experience when I i
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still cannot understand why he didn't
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sit in his chair and say none of your
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business next question like ultimately
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it was it was none of anyone's business
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it did not affect
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the the the execution of his office none
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of it had anything to do with his
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effectiveness as president was not
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anybody's business and she of all people
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have the power at that moment to say I
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will not answer this line of questioning
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it is irrelevant to the to the conduct
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of this office and in any argument like
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that his character was on trial here
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your e people's character like that is
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what elections are for you judge a
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person on their character and then you
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elect them and then the you're no longer
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they're no longer running you know their
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character is no longer the question and
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so I feel like I mean with my mayoral
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candidate yesterday lost his election
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the other guy 1 and in is like the load
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the day that basically the day of the
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election i got an e-mail appointing me
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to a commission and i am now a
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commissioner the the city arts and film
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and music commission i am now on that
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Commission it's a three or four-year
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appointment
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well congratulations man and you mean
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now call me the commish it try and stop
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me and it this commission meets every
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month in the city hall in a hearing room
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which is open to the public and I think
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maybe our Commission meetings are
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broadcast on the public access channel
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leave and like citizens can come in and
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standard microphone and comment and we
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will conduct some business of the city
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and like this is the this is and this is
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a committed as a commission i have
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accepted
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and I i can understand politically like
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is this is this one of those things
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where like the president pardons 50
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people on his last day in office
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I don't understand why was appointed to
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this like for your position was
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thanksgiving us at the time of year when
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you save one turkey from the table up
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but anyway now i am i am an officially
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appointed Commissioner Roderick that
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sound like
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sound like
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sounds like you got a double-breasted
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blazer for that but i it's going to be
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very interesting to me sitting on this
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commission which is now in the public
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record and then the public sphere in a
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in a in a small way and I think and an
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ineffectual way or I can't imagine that
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this commission it i don't believe i am
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granted the power to tax i do get a
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parking pass for City Hall flow sweet
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right she can i use the bathrooms too i
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can use the bathrooms at City Hall I
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mind again they can't throw ya i might
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have a by might even get a laminated
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card that says Commissioner but it's
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going to be very curious to see like how
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I how this tiny little toe in the water
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of like public life how it plays out for
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me because I you know I don't think
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there's anything at stake but I'm going
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to be sitting up on a day as well as
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some KY when some guy with dander on his
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fleece vest stands there and yells at me
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about how how they closed down his
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Street to film an episode of mad about
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you and that's not still shows and I'm
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gonna be like listen guy you know you're
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talking about that's okay I got better
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things to think about
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I'm trying to get ziplines put it in
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this hole so don't waste my time if
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yelling at me you got how many bags you
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got how many grocery bags have you got
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there we got like 14 grocery bags get
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out of here
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yeah I mean I know it's early early
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goings early days but i can't wait to
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hear the planks in your platform
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well yeah now i'm actually get a
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platform I feel like you're your caution
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the other day where you were like hey
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are you sure that you should be talking
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about this on the on the internet on the
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on the airwaves you know I feel like I i
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have to keep at first of all there's
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nobody listening to this program that's
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going out us em right it's all within a
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message was talking shit it's a total
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cult audience now everybody is like
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they're all they're all it moving the
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deck chairs around the Titanic who's
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gonna who's going to say I i think that
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i think Merlyn John are dangerous and
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must be stopped
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I don't think there's any I mean it's
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good only some random person that swings
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and misses 21 episode you can take them
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out no process these people are maniacs
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that's right we'll just lonely got
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called up again we could certainly have
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the seventh circle the wagons around
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that person you know they're going to
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come out of their apartment and in their
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hallway there's just going to be super
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train stickers that right girl on every
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flat surface so they're gonna be like oh
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fuck i had no idea who is messing with
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the name of the actual Commission the
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Seattle film and music Commission wow so
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presumably like some like michael bay is
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going to come and and may try to make a
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dinosaur movie in seattle at some point
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and I'm gonna have to approve
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I'm gonna have to be one of the
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commissioners who approves or denies his
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permits to you know to block off the
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streets for taking a moment to review
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your Brachiosaurus easement objects here
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that are used to uh made transformers
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and i have to say that was a shooting a
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movie gotta have your personal assurance
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that will we're not gonna be facing a
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situation which she had looking like
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it's going to be beaten up by robust it
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might also be trucks but I've got one
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pair of glasses down on the end of my
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what information is Commissioner Roger
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talking like that you know glasses on a
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gold chain one pair of glasses on top of
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my head
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Oh bigger party so I need to get some
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white three piece suits made you do you
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do and I'd like to see you have like a
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cane with like a tip on that you can tap
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on the table when you're getting
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restless
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look at me i'm the big actor haha we
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still talking about this
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