Roderick on the Line

Ep. 87: "I Speak Sea Plane"


00:00:00   hello John [TS]

00:00:08   hi Merlin are you early hehe i read that [TS]

00:00:15   on a card i was going to ask you how [TS]

00:00:16   you're adjusting to these increasingly [TS]

00:00:17   early recording times I liked him as i [TS]

00:00:20   get older and older it's nice to spend [TS]

00:00:22   to get up a little early i like to have [TS]

00:00:27   the evenings free to move my bowels [TS]

00:00:29   mmm i had a very interesting experience [TS]

00:00:31   today i went to my taco bus where I [TS]

00:00:34   normally go but usually at night you go [TS]

00:00:36   to the taco bus and it's just all [TS]

00:00:38   Volvo's lined up out front it's just [TS]

00:00:40   people in in little software designer [TS]

00:00:45   glasses with that with fleece pants and [TS]

00:00:49   they're all lined up to get tacos but [TS]

00:00:50   during the day you at lunchtime and it's [TS]

00:00:53   it's all guys covered in sheetrock dust [TS]

00:00:56   Wow right everybody in there is Hispanic [TS]

00:01:00   the TV is playing or I guess I guess [TS]

00:01:04   Latino is the preferred nomenclature the [TS]

00:01:08   TV is playing some some novellas and a [TS]

00:01:12   it's a it's a real it's real downtown [TS]

00:01:16   scene during the day well I walk on the [TS]

00:01:18   bus and I'm carrying my daughter and I [TS]

00:01:23   have never felt like such a rockstar in [TS]

00:01:26   my life because you know usually get on [TS]

00:01:28   a bus and there's like 15 middle aged [TS]

00:01:32   mexican guys on there you know maybe [TS]

00:01:35   you're going to hear you're gonna nod to [TS]

00:01:37   a couple of guys as you walk through but [TS]

00:01:40   for the most part it's going to be a you [TS]

00:01:42   know it's going to be a pretty neutral [TS]

00:01:43   scene but I walked on the bus carrying [TS]

00:01:46   this little two-year-old and every man [TS]

00:01:48   on the bus smiled at me with the most [TS]

00:01:53   genuine smile of friendship and [TS]

00:01:57   brotherhood [TS]

00:01:58   [Music] [TS]

00:01:59   and I was like completely bowled over [TS]

00:02:02   you know you hear stories that that in [TS]

00:02:04   the in Mexican culture and Latino [TS]

00:02:08   culture that the role of the father the [TS]

00:02:11   idea of the family is very strong but [TS]

00:02:13   had never experienced it so profoundly [TS]

00:02:15   as i did today [TS]

00:02:17   walking walking carrying a little girl I [TS]

00:02:19   felt like I would have felt like I was [TS]

00:02:21   walking through a receiving line I [TS]

00:02:24   almost high-fived everybody with your [TS]

00:02:27   free hand and it was so them and the [TS]

00:02:30   thing is they weren't like looking at [TS]

00:02:31   her like oh what a cute girl like a lot [TS]

00:02:33   of like you know kind of the volvo set [TS]

00:02:35   would they glanced at her and then they [TS]

00:02:37   looked at me and were like hey man how's [TS]

00:02:40   it going dad and I just I felt like yeah [TS]

00:02:43   I'm a dad [TS]

00:02:44   hey what's up I'm a dad and that is a [TS]

00:02:47   that is a that's a nice thing that's i'm [TS]

00:02:50   a member of the community I'm known as [TS]

00:02:53   the guys that that we know in neutral [TS]

00:02:56   way never would have given you a second [TS]

00:02:58   look before yeah we would have all just [TS]

00:02:59   kind of been like not supposed to be [TS]

00:03:01   talking is that you know if that if they [TS]

00:03:03   would have looked up from their food but [TS]

00:03:04   the fact that i had this little girl [TS]

00:03:06   like big they turned one after the other [TS]

00:03:10   turned from their food and gave me like [TS]

00:03:13   a really human genuine like greeting of [TS]

00:03:19   happy face and I was like wow it's like [TS]

00:03:22   you're part of the fraternity now it is [TS]

00:03:24   like I yeah it's like i'm a i'm a i'm a [TS]

00:03:26   i'm a fully grown adults it took me all [TS]

00:03:28   these years but now I I'm initiated into [TS]

00:03:31   it's like it's like when you first grow [TS]

00:03:34   a mustache and go to Turkey who you [TS]

00:03:41   realize oh outside of America every [TS]

00:03:44   grown man in the world is wearing a [TS]

00:03:45   mustache like if you get from basically [TS]

00:03:49   from Bucharest all the way to China [TS]

00:03:55   every single man in that area has a [TS]

00:03:58   mustache and then in china again we go [TS]

00:04:01   back to a mustache 'less world [TS]

00:04:04   butBut from Bucharest to say [TS]

00:04:09   islamabad it's it's almost ashes all the [TS]

00:04:13   way down and you feel like you know when [TS]

00:04:17   you go to those places are like oh shit [TS]

00:04:18   right you did hehe you can grow [TS]

00:04:21   moustache and you do thats they probably [TS]

00:04:23   invented the mustache but yeah I'm sure [TS]

00:04:25   they did you think about how cultures [TS]

00:04:27   work in you know places where you can [TS]

00:04:29   grow corn you're likely to discover corn [TS]

00:04:31   and then make stuff out of corn and you [TS]

00:04:32   become like you know the corn place and [TS]

00:04:35   this place those that from the age of [TS]

00:04:36   like six most of those guys can grow [TS]

00:04:38   mustaches right and then some of the [TS]

00:04:40   ladies probably all their older brothers [TS]

00:04:41   have mustaches and their grandfathers [TS]

00:04:43   have big flourishing white mustaches so [TS]

00:04:46   I felt a little bit like that I felt [TS]

00:04:47   like I I was I had a mustache in the [TS]

00:04:50   form of a baby [TS]

00:04:51   well we had a very strange thing [TS]

00:04:55   happened when I don my own wife got [TS]

00:04:57   pregnant where you know let's speak in [TS]

00:05:00   code you know my neighborhood I couldn't [TS]

00:05:03   get the guy who runs of Civil War ghosts [TS]

00:05:06   that's its triple you've seen him but [TS]

00:05:09   like I have not in the almost 14 years [TS]

00:05:13   I've lived here now I just got used to [TS]

00:05:15   the fact that nobody looks at you [TS]

00:05:17   nobody pays attention to you and the [TS]

00:05:19   people in my neighborhood just have a [TS]

00:05:20   completely different sense of how to [TS]

00:05:22   operate in public and I'm accustomed to [TS]

00:05:24   write about not just the not just the [TS]

00:05:27   ethnic ethnic component but also at San [TS]

00:05:30   Francisco and if you could look at [TS]

00:05:32   somebody they may throw feces at well [TS]

00:05:34   it's a pretty friendly town but i live [TS]

00:05:36   in what is categorically the most [TS]

00:05:39   conservative district and in all of San [TS]

00:05:42   Francisco it is mostly people from China [TS]

00:05:46   some people from the mines mostly people [TS]

00:05:48   you know first second generation people [TS]

00:05:50   from China simulation environment and [TS]

00:05:52   first-hand first and second-generation [TS]

00:05:54   people from Ireland only enough but a [TS]

00:05:56   funny thing happened like I told you I [TS]

00:05:57   used to this chinese place three times a [TS]

00:05:59   week and the guy would not say anything [TS]

00:06:01   to me he would not suggest anything off [TS]

00:06:03   the menu [TS]

00:06:03   nothing nobody looks at you everybody on [TS]

00:06:06   on public trans just closes their eyes [TS]

00:06:08   it's a completely insular world must by [TS]

00:06:10   and large I like all of that crazy thing [TS]

00:06:12   happened my wife got pregnant and we [TS]

00:06:14   will go on public transit [TS]

00:06:16   and everybody's face especially the old [TS]

00:06:19   Chinese ladies their eyes would just [TS]

00:06:20   light up and these people who never [TS]

00:06:22   spoken a word to either of us in years [TS]

00:06:24   we're certainly not only like smiling at [TS]

00:06:27   us not only walking up to us [TS]

00:06:29   can I just say old Chinese guy thing to [TS]

00:06:30   do touch the ladies time without asking [TS]

00:06:32   oh just walk up agency book if you're [TS]

00:06:36   pregnant lady you're basically open [TS]

00:06:38   source your open-source woman people [TS]

00:06:39   just walk up and start touching and the [TS]

00:06:41   same street today like we go to the zoo [TS]

00:06:43   you know take me out very small amount [TS]

00:06:46   of town that's left to the west of where [TS]

00:06:48   I am i all on the white people are [TS]

00:06:50   people are smiling and and you know just [TS]

00:06:52   asking questions like how old are you [TS]

00:06:55   interesting they're asking you how old [TS]

00:06:57   you were let's have a big plan strong [TS]

00:06:59   you know that's very similar to the [TS]

00:07:03   experience that's the very very similar [TS]

00:07:06   to the experience of having a successful [TS]

00:07:07   band for the first time [TS]

00:07:09   well I i really look forward to that for [TS]

00:07:13   many years here in Seattle [TS]

00:07:14   I what I I had you know I had a couple [TS]

00:07:16   of bands the bun family players most [TS]

00:07:19   notably three hours shower [TS]

00:07:22   four out of five dentists the [TS]

00:07:26   transnational z28 I had a lot of bands [TS]

00:07:28   here and none of those bands were very [TS]

00:07:32   popular but wasn't fun family players [TS]

00:07:34   deliberately difficult in every [TS]

00:07:35   community and every player's wasn't was [TS]

00:07:37   intent was trying to be so was trying to [TS]

00:07:40   be so smart that no one could like it [TS]

00:07:42   like unfathomable yeah right and we and [TS]

00:07:44   yet we developed we did develop a [TS]

00:07:46   fanbase of people that that had that [TS]

00:07:49   works that were broken inside but um [TS]

00:07:53   during that time of course i was [TS]

00:07:55   crossing paths with some of the same [TS]

00:07:57   characters over and over right [TS]

00:08:00   ken stringfellow being one of them are [TS]

00:08:02   good friend Jason Finn another and both [TS]

00:08:05   of those guys were were popular [TS]

00:08:07   musicians that were in popular [TS]

00:08:09   successful band categorically like major [TS]

00:08:11   label popular bands of posies and [TS]

00:08:14   presidents of the USA [TS]

00:08:15   that's right amber and Jason before that [TS]

00:08:17   he was in the president's he was in love [TS]

00:08:19   that area which was a witch was a but [TS]

00:08:21   not very good and spent but but still [TS]

00:08:25   popular grunge band grunge era bandai [TS]

00:08:28   say they weren't actually very grim g [TS]

00:08:31   but so anyway I would I routinely see [TS]

00:08:35   these guys I would see Jason every [TS]

00:08:37   single day and I would see ken [TS]

00:08:38   stringfellow you know that's not late at [TS]

00:08:42   night belief that he would come out he'd [TS]

00:08:45   come out and and to touch us and make us [TS]

00:08:47   very cold but neither one of those guys [TS]

00:08:50   ever acknowledge my existence and I've [TS]

00:08:52   had this I've had this conversation with [TS]

00:08:54   both the many times and they both deny [TS]

00:08:55   or you know we're trying to rationalize [TS]

00:08:58   or justify why it was that they never [TS]

00:09:01   ever ever liked Jason would sit down at [TS]

00:09:04   the same table i was sitting at and he [TS]

00:09:07   was this way he would like move my beer [TS]

00:09:09   glass so that it was out of his line of [TS]

00:09:11   sight or whatever [TS]

00:09:12   hey you just touched my glass and he was [TS]

00:09:14   just kind of turn face the other way and [TS]

00:09:16   talk to the girl that I had brought [TS]

00:09:18   their as my date and uh and ken Ken [TS]

00:09:22   would actually like draw blood from the [TS]

00:09:25   girl that I was sitting next to and make [TS]

00:09:27   her one of the undead and never look at [TS]

00:09:29   me once and then one day i had i hadn't [TS]

00:09:33   a band that was that that people liked [TS]

00:09:35   the Western State hurricanes and we [TS]

00:09:38   played our second or third show and I [TS]

00:09:40   swear to you can Stringfellow just like [TS]

00:09:43   a little Chinese man he didn't you tell [TS]

00:09:47   me it came up in touch my tummy [TS]

00:09:49   he came up and handed me his business [TS]

00:09:50   card that was a black and be definitely [TS]

00:09:57   or even close and he said hello like it [TS]

00:10:03   you should give me a call let's hang out [TS]

00:10:04   sometime as though we knew each other [TS]

00:10:07   and I just didn't I just hadn't had his [TS]

00:10:09   recent business card or whatever and [TS]

00:10:11   Jason been even better came up put his [TS]

00:10:13   arm around me was like John Roderick my [TS]

00:10:16   good buddy my old pal like he knew i was [TS]

00:10:20   actually sounded alarmingly like Jason [TS]

00:10:23   that was really good [TS]

00:10:24   thank you I've been practicing that but [TS]

00:10:25   let's get the cake and didn't catch a [TS]

00:10:27   really really you know vampiric [TS]

00:10:30   tendencies is extremely smart guy is but [TS]

00:10:33   he said he thought he could play it off [TS]

00:10:35   legit that like this was your first [TS]

00:10:36   meeting [TS]

00:10:37   ok and Jason are bolts incredible wanted [TS]

00:10:39   me to stay since last part but [TS]

00:10:41   the fact that you could walk up to [TS]

00:10:42   somebody you've seen for months or years [TS]

00:10:44   and handling business card like it was [TS]

00:10:45   the first time you met [TS]

00:10:46   well the thing is in a way it was the [TS]

00:10:49   first time we met that I've come to [TS]

00:10:50   understand over the years that in fact [TS]

00:10:53   before i had a successful band i did not [TS]

00:10:55   exist there was no reason to know me and [TS]

00:10:59   then there was a reason to know me and I [TS]

00:11:02   did I was like it was like i [TS]

00:11:04   materialized out of out of the like like [TS]

00:11:09   what's the ghost army of a betrayer [TS]

00:11:13   souls that live under the mountain in [TS]

00:11:16   the return of the king the again [TS]

00:11:19   whoever they are it's just re the the [TS]

00:11:23   the Ghora who live under the mountain [TS]

00:11:27   but um hey uh you know they materialize [TS]

00:11:30   and then and then they become well and [TS]

00:11:33   actually they stay did but that's about [TS]

00:11:36   the perfect metaphor but I didn't stay [TS]

00:11:37   dead but it was like I was undead and [TS]

00:11:40   then became alive [TS]

00:11:41   I think I know what you mean now because [TS]

00:11:43   I i have a similar problem in that ID [TS]

00:11:45   not I may be clever but i am not smart [TS]

00:11:47   and my retention for things is terrible [TS]

00:11:50   I've tried desperately over the years [TS]

00:11:51   anal retention was fantastic you [TS]

00:11:53   wouldn't know it looking at this desk [TS]

00:11:54   buddy i haven't have invested my [TS]

00:11:57   spider-woman months you know what i mean [TS]

00:12:00   III but no but the problem is like I you [TS]

00:12:03   know they say that old thing they used [TS]

00:12:04   to say in advertising i have no way of [TS]

00:12:06   knowing if this is true turns out that [TS]

00:12:07   you have to hear an advertising message [TS]

00:12:09   13 times before and registers whatever [TS]

00:12:11   that you know old saw is five [TS]

00:12:13   impressions a five major impressions i [TS]

00:12:16   have to meet somebody [TS]

00:12:17   several times I mean and it's getting [TS]

00:12:19   worse and worse and worse it takes more [TS]

00:12:21   impressions and it isn't because I'm [TS]

00:12:22   trying to be fancy [TS]

00:12:24   it doesn't matter it's just what I [TS]

00:12:25   remember I remember the face I I know [TS]

00:12:27   I've said this before I remember the [TS]

00:12:29   face of an extraordinary number of [TS]

00:12:31   people people serve servers one time [TS]

00:12:34   somebody at gas station somebody who is [TS]

00:12:37   sitting next to me in a waiting room i [TS]

00:12:39   will remember for years but there are [TS]

00:12:41   people who i have online intercourse [TS]

00:12:44   with that I that I talk too frequently [TS]

00:12:46   all i know is they're fake twitter name [TS]

00:12:48   and then I meet them and they go and i'm [TS]

00:12:51   joe bob and I'm like hi [TS]

00:12:53   haha like no I'm insipid Cupid Galactus [TS]

00:12:59   65000 you have the icon of that cartoon [TS]

00:13:03   thing right now writes and writes but [TS]

00:13:06   you know I really want to meet people I [TS]

00:13:07   want them to have like a hello my name [TS]

00:13:09   is with their stupid icon and they're [TS]

00:13:10   fake internet name because it does take [TS]

00:13:13   a lot and even in a place as relatively [TS]

00:13:15   small and densely packed with talent as [TS]

00:13:17   seattle it must be hard i mean in know [TS]

00:13:20   in fairness to somebody like candles [TS]

00:13:21   probably a lot of people who have come [TS]

00:13:24   over the years and said hi expecting [TS]

00:13:26   them to remember [TS]

00:13:27   well I mean key to the stories that I've [TS]

00:13:29   never once went up to him and said hi [TS]

00:13:30   and all that time I was that I was [TS]

00:13:33   standing there waiting for him to [TS]

00:13:34   recognize me of course they never did [TS]

00:13:36   until that David it [TS]

00:13:38   how did you feel do you feel what was [TS]

00:13:40   what if you were if you can put yourself [TS]

00:13:41   take yourself back to those halcyon days [TS]

00:13:43   what 98-99 what what did that feel like [TS]

00:13:47   where you plant a brief moment where you [TS]

00:13:49   get angrier i was a little bit and there [TS]

00:13:52   was that there was the moment I was [TS]

00:13:53   sitting at the bar the crocodile and [TS]

00:13:54   that the the the old booking agent the [TS]

00:13:57   crocodiles name is Christine who for [TS]

00:14:00   years had required me to submit another [TS]

00:14:02   cassette tape every time I wanted to [TS]

00:14:05   book a show even though we had just [TS]

00:14:07   played their week and a half before the [TS]

00:14:09   problem process of tables with that she [TS]

00:14:11   was like well you better send in a demo [TS]

00:14:13   and I was like you have for my demos and [TS]

00:14:14   she's like yeah better send another one [TS]

00:14:17   and you could just you could just tell [TS]

00:14:19   that she was she was taping over all the [TS]

00:14:22   demo she got and putting you know [TS]

00:14:24   putting built to spill records on them [TS]

00:14:27   or whatever and probably selling the [TS]

00:14:28   garage sales and so this gal like comes [TS]

00:14:31   up to me sits down on the bar stool next [TS]

00:14:33   to me at the bar and she goes John you [TS]

00:14:37   know like very familiar [TS]

00:14:38   let's talk about making the Western [TS]

00:14:41   State hurricanes the house band at the [TS]

00:14:45   crocodile where you don't play any other [TS]

00:14:48   clubs in town you just play the crock [TS]

00:14:50   and we make a thing where it's like the [TS]

00:14:53   western state and the crocodile together [TS]

00:14:56   forever and I was just like wow really [TS]

00:15:01   seriously eight months ago [TS]

00:15:05   you eight months ago I would call you on [TS]

00:15:08   the phone and you would you told me to [TS]

00:15:11   send you another tape after three years [TS]

00:15:14   of sending you tapes and now you wanna [TS]

00:15:16   do you want me to like pledge allegiance [TS]

00:15:18   to this bar and I was mad I was mad [TS]

00:15:23   until a little bit of time passed and I [TS]

00:15:27   realize like no actually okay like this [TS]

00:15:30   is how how it works [TS]

00:15:31   it's how it works and I'm and I'm going [TS]

00:15:35   I'm grateful that I made it I made it [TS]

00:15:38   through the door to look back and see [TS]

00:15:40   how that how it works and for a while [TS]

00:15:43   then I then I was like trying to bring [TS]

00:15:45   my friends with me through the door and [TS]

00:15:48   I realized after a while you keep kind [TS]

00:15:50   of couldn't do that either [TS]

00:15:52   you know like everybody has to make it [TS]

00:15:54   through the door unless I'm really [TS]

00:15:56   that's a good way to put it [TS]

00:15:57   it's um it's I I think I i have this you [TS]

00:16:03   know me i had this personal loathing of [TS]

00:16:05   people who are overtly trying to network [TS]

00:16:07   or trying to have an effect familiarity [TS]

00:16:11   that isn't really there or you know [TS]

00:16:14   often at the same time trying to give [TS]

00:16:15   you the equivalent of a casual resume of [TS]

00:16:18   all the amazing things that they've done [TS]

00:16:19   none of which are particularly amazing [TS]

00:16:21   you are so hilarious when someone comes [TS]

00:16:23   up to you at an event i think i'm not [TS]

00:16:25   and effects out over-familiar ok now [TS]

00:16:28   those people are not a nice to art so [TS]

00:16:30   you're not gonna meet many nicer people [TS]

00:16:32   that you when you meet them [TS]

00:16:33   you're not going to me i'm just gonna [TS]

00:16:34   say for myself I say this twice a year [TS]

00:16:36   I'm a lot nicer than people would think [TS]

00:16:37   oh no you're extremely nice but your I [TS]

00:16:41   think you did there the one they're the [TS]

00:16:43   person comes up to me and says hey I [TS]

00:16:45   like that thing you do [TS]

00:16:45   they're gonna be the one that's gonna be [TS]

00:16:47   like back moving backwards toward the [TS]

00:16:49   door after three hours now you're gonna [TS]

00:16:50   have to wipe spooge on their face the [TS]

00:16:52   whole time [TS]

00:16:52   don't worry where we go we'll find [TS]

00:16:54   something to talk about but you suffer [TS]

00:16:56   fools maybe less than anyone i know is [TS]

00:17:00   that a compliment and it really is i [TS]

00:17:02   mean in the sense that let me just say [TS]

00:17:05   let me just say this you are one of the [TS]

00:17:07   rare people wear you wear when you go [TS]

00:17:10   after somebody it the house that has [TS]

00:17:13   come up to you and and and and played [TS]

00:17:15   the play they're wrong car service when [TS]

00:17:17   found one take [TS]

00:17:19   when you go after somebody like you are [TS]

00:17:21   one of the rare people that can actually [TS]

00:17:22   make me uncomfortable as a buy-sell oh [TS]

00:17:25   come on i mean because i am laughing [TS]

00:17:27   just saying that to be nice and laughing [TS]

00:17:29   inside and my name's i'm squirming in my [TS]

00:17:31   chair like a little boy like all of a [TS]

00:17:33   sudden my chair gets big and my don't [TS]

00:17:36   touch the floor anymore and I'm like oh [TS]

00:17:37   my God we're gonna make not as you [TS]

00:17:39   proceed to because what you do is you [TS]

00:17:41   you continue to lead them down the [TS]

00:17:44   primrose path that they have paved a [TS]

00:17:46   little ways like you often you often go [TS]

00:17:50   oh hello and you effect a kind of like [TS]

00:17:52   tell me more about your startup and you [TS]

00:17:56   get them you get them a little bit out [TS]

00:17:58   on the pier before you take the pilings [TS]

00:18:01   away but I think the reason people did [TS]

00:18:02   thank you so much that's the hugest [TS]

00:18:04   compliment i've gotten all year [TS]

00:18:06   that's if I'm going to be no that's [TS]

00:18:08   that's what I'm okay with so good thank [TS]

00:18:11   you everybody should see it once [TS]

00:18:13   everybody in the world should see you [TS]

00:18:14   like going places with you it's always [TS]

00:18:15   takes time to pick someone out of the [TS]

00:18:17   knees haha now maybe that giving my [TS]

00:18:21   reality show i really want to go now i [TS]

00:18:23   want to go to a tech conference with you [TS]

00:18:25   oh no no you don't mind if I swear [TS]

00:18:27   disguise I've learned i think one word [TS]

00:18:32   Nick I forget where I learned a new word [TS]

00:18:34   want renew or oh haha it's like a very [TS]

00:18:37   day area thing like somebody who really [TS]

00:18:39   it kind of considers themselves in an [TS]

00:18:41   entrepreneur even though they have [TS]

00:18:42   really done anything right [TS]

00:18:44   but the reason I say that is first of [TS]

00:18:45   all thank you but also that I think when [TS]

00:18:48   you see that networking thing you see [TS]

00:18:49   people who maybe read books or people [TS]

00:18:52   who have tried to reverse engineer the [TS]

00:18:53   process that you and I are sadly [TS]

00:18:57   admitting to be as we say how things are [TS]

00:18:59   and how things r is that you have to be [TS]

00:19:02   out there and people have to see you and [TS]

00:19:04   people have to go oh that's that one guy [TS]

00:19:06   who either a nose this friend of mine [TS]

00:19:09   this kind of famous or B does this thing [TS]

00:19:10   i've heard of whether I like it or not [TS]

00:19:12   or if you actually experienced it i've [TS]

00:19:14   heard of it and i think that i think [TS]

00:19:16   people try really really hard to do that [TS]

00:19:19   and the thing is the irony is that's not [TS]

00:19:22   at all hard to pull off once you've [TS]

00:19:24   actually done that for once you actually [TS]

00:19:25   know people you want to hopefully not be [TS]

00:19:27   a dick about it but it's it's brutally [TS]

00:19:29   painful to watch when it's not [TS]

00:19:31   working and and but people keep doing it [TS]

00:19:33   and I guess if you do it long enough you [TS]

00:19:35   get kind of famous with somebody I not [TS]

00:19:37   necessarily somebody very interesting [TS]

00:19:38   but it's a terrible way to try and have [TS]

00:19:40   an actual human connection with somebody [TS]

00:19:41   it's a miserable way to try and make a [TS]

00:19:43   friend [TS]

00:19:44   well and I think I think what happens is [TS]

00:19:46   people develop these alternate universe [TS]

00:19:49   cultures where they are populated with [TS]

00:19:52   people who have not actually done the [TS]

00:19:56   work to get through the door on their [TS]

00:19:57   own and you get you [TS]

00:19:59   I mean you go to parties all the time [TS]

00:20:00   where everybody there is a is in the [TS]

00:20:04   music business if you ask them what they [TS]

00:20:07   do and then as you you know as you [TS]

00:20:10   circulate through the room you realize [TS]

00:20:12   like oh no one here is in the music [TS]

00:20:14   business [TS]

00:20:14   everybody here is everybody there are [TS]

00:20:17   some people who are being funded by [TS]

00:20:19   their parents there are some people who [TS]

00:20:21   are who are incredible networkers there [TS]

00:20:27   are people here who have filled out a [TS]

00:20:29   lot of online forms to win songwriting [TS]

00:20:33   contests you know like a mountain music [TS]

00:20:36   there's a whole there's a whole [TS]

00:20:38   constellation of ways to join the music [TS]

00:20:41   business and build up a whole wikipedia [TS]

00:20:45   entry of all the songwriting contests [TS]

00:20:48   you've won and none of it is really the [TS]

00:20:51   music business and none of it is the [TS]

00:20:53   work that you need to do to get through [TS]

00:20:55   the door and I that I think the wanted [TS]

00:20:58   preneur scene is probably a thousand [TS]

00:21:00   times [TS]

00:21:00   that's true of any thousand times more [TS]

00:21:03   because you can write a book about [TS]

00:21:05   entrepreneurship you can you can start [TS]

00:21:10   25 businesses that all that all fail or [TS]

00:21:16   make you have a login a podcast about I [TS]

00:21:19   mean I've certainly done it you can [TS]

00:21:20   create you create this meta work in that [TS]

00:21:22   case about like you know bridging the [TS]

00:21:23   gap how to go from being a want ranaut [TS]

00:21:25   to have been there preneur I i had i was [TS]

00:21:31   lucky enough to have dinner with Paula [TS]

00:21:32   Tompkins the other night here in Seattle [TS]

00:21:34   and I had a similar conversation where I [TS]

00:21:39   was where I caught myself being that [TS]

00:21:44   the yo-yo because I you know I admire [TS]

00:21:48   Paul just to make sure he recognizes who [TS]

00:21:51   I am thing [TS]

00:21:52   no it was that and this is a [TS]

00:21:55   conversation I've had with Paula [TS]

00:21:56   Tompkins before and I forgot that I had [TS]

00:21:58   done it already and I did it again but [TS]

00:22:00   he Paul after 30 years of doing stand-up [TS]

00:22:05   since he was 12 years old has over the [TS]

00:22:10   last several years transitioned his [TS]

00:22:12   stand-up comedy into a more storytelling [TS]

00:22:14   long-form kind of a format that I really [TS]

00:22:21   identify with you know like I love to [TS]

00:22:23   tell stories i have told stories for a [TS]

00:22:25   long time and as he and as comedy in [TS]

00:22:29   general like I see this more and more [TS]

00:22:31   this format of like long-form stories [TS]

00:22:34   that are that are humorous and have [TS]

00:22:37   punch lines but they aren't it's not a [TS]

00:22:39   string of jokes you know it's like [TS]

00:22:41   stories from life that are meant to be [TS]

00:22:43   both thought provoking and also very [TS]

00:22:45   funny and so I identify with this style [TS]

00:22:50   of comedy and i watch people like Paul [TS]

00:22:54   do it and I think I make the classic I [TS]

00:22:59   mean the primary error of saying I can [TS]

00:23:02   do that and then I make the secondary [TS]

00:23:05   error of saying I already do that like [TS]

00:23:09   the 20 years that I've spent for 25 [TS]

00:23:12   years I've spent so many people used to [TS]

00:23:14   do this with stand-up where you go i [TS]

00:23:16   consider myself a funny person and all [TS]

00:23:18   my brothers if I have a date right think [TS]

00:23:20   I'm funny [TS]

00:23:20   therefore i'm probably already a [TS]

00:23:22   stand-up I just need to get some [TS]

00:23:23   bookings right [TS]

00:23:25   not necessarily you but I mean I think [TS]

00:23:26   that's a classic comedy pattern [TS]

00:23:28   you have no idea how hard that business [TS]

00:23:30   and that's exactly the mistake i was [TS]

00:23:32   making and I'm talking to Paul and I'm [TS]

00:23:34   like you know i I just I feel like I [TS]

00:23:38   feel like I need to do the work i need [TS]

00:23:40   to put in some work in you know crafting [TS]

00:23:44   my stories so that I am able to really [TS]

00:23:47   get up and do this do you know to [TS]

00:23:49   storytelling as a for as a performance [TS]

00:23:52   forum and Paul said well did you like [TS]

00:23:56   comedy as a kid and i was like i loved [TS]

00:23:59   it i mean that was all I did I I'd stay [TS]

00:24:02   up late and watch the Carson show and I [TS]

00:24:04   identified with comedians more than [TS]

00:24:06   musicians and Paul said yeah me too [TS]

00:24:11   in fact it's all I ever wanted to do and [TS]

00:24:13   from the time I was 13 I have done [TS]

00:24:15   nothing else and I was like right well I [TS]

00:24:21   did a lot of other things a and he was [TS]

00:24:26   like uh huh [TS]

00:24:28   tell me more like well yeah I mean I did [TS]

00:24:31   a lot of things that weren't that he's [TS]

00:24:34   like exactly and it was you mean he and [TS]

00:24:37   he wasn't really he wasn't hammering [TS]

00:24:39   that point home [TS]

00:24:40   it was aight i think he left himself he [TS]

00:24:42   left enough air in the room for you to [TS]

00:24:44   kind of breathe in on your own [TS]

00:24:45   yeah that was that was my like right [TS]

00:24:48   exactly right [TS]

00:24:50   like there were and the thing is I feel [TS]

00:24:52   this way about my music career to there [TS]

00:24:53   were guys that from 12 years old all [TS]

00:24:55   they wanted to do was play guitar and [TS]

00:24:56   that's all they've done and they are [TS]

00:24:58   better guitar players and i am by far [TS]

00:25:00   and it's easy to see the work that [TS]

00:25:04   they've done [TS]

00:25:04   yeah but maybe they didn't get in the [TS]

00:25:06   van that many times they need to get in [TS]

00:25:08   the van to write but are all by way of [TS]

00:25:10   saying like I can still fall into that [TS]

00:25:13   trap of feeling like you know here's a [TS]

00:25:16   guy who's doing a thing that I admire I [TS]

00:25:19   also feel like I have a native gift for [TS]

00:25:22   this and so therefore it's just some [TS]

00:25:25   indeterminate amount of work that we can [TS]

00:25:28   talk about later that I need to do [TS]

00:25:30   between here and there and then I'll be [TS]

00:25:33   right there and I'll be in the winner's [TS]

00:25:34   circle and it's like me I type the idea [TS]

00:25:38   all the time it's something I know is [TS]

00:25:41   stupid i hate it when other people do it [TS]

00:25:42   but i find myself when I talk to comic [TS]

00:25:44   people that's how I'm some new comics [TS]

00:25:46   I've never wanted intensely to write a [TS]

00:25:48   comic I've never wanted intensely to get [TS]

00:25:50   good at writing but now as i get older i [TS]

00:25:52   appreciate the medium so much more than [TS]

00:25:54   one talking to one of my comic you know [TS]

00:25:56   writing heroes I'll say something like [TS]

00:25:57   you know well you know I've kind of been [TS]

00:25:59   picking up I got an idea for a superhero [TS]

00:26:04   ya know it's even worse and i wish i [TS]

00:26:08   wish i could go like I had this idea you [TS]

00:26:10   know shaken up bottle of coke man or [TS]

00:26:12   something i don't even have anything 0 [TS]

00:26:13   man i hate you so much but you know that [TS]

00:26:17   is that is the moon and that is the [TS]

00:26:19   funny part i mean when you meet somebody [TS]

00:26:21   it almost becomes an unconscious kind of [TS]

00:26:23   a weird [TS]

00:26:24   I'll speak for myself it can become a [TS]

00:26:26   strange combination of trying to impress [TS]

00:26:28   somebody [TS]

00:26:29   combined with like trying to show how [TS]

00:26:32   familiar you are with their work without [TS]

00:26:33   sounding creepy combining with hoping [TS]

00:26:37   for some kind of encouragement and [TS]

00:26:40   indirect basically turning into career [TS]

00:26:42   counseling in a bar where you're [TS]

00:26:44   essentially asking them for the tips and [TS]

00:26:45   tricks on how to become paul f tompkins [TS]

00:26:47   well you know what [TS]

00:26:48   good go beyond and go beyond the HBO [TS]

00:26:50   show that almost got cancelled a budget [TS]

00:26:53   well and I've heard many comics do this [TS]

00:26:55   to other people who kind of come up and [TS]

00:26:58   say like other the worst kind is common [TS]

00:27:01   to the word that the one of the comics [TS]

00:27:03   the worst the worst and and I've heard [TS]

00:27:05   this over and over enough to know that [TS]

00:27:07   this is like this is comic shorthand and [TS]

00:27:10   they've been and it's kind of brilliant [TS]

00:27:12   because all comics have have shared this [TS]

00:27:16   line with each other where they look at [TS]

00:27:18   the person may go [TS]

00:27:19   ok sounds like things are grouped going [TS]

00:27:22   good for you [TS]

00:27:23   now you just need to do it for 10 years [TS]

00:27:25   and then they like you know go cheers [TS]

00:27:31   with their beer bottle and they turn [TS]

00:27:32   back and rejoin their conversation and [TS]

00:27:35   it's a it's a relatively polite but [TS]

00:27:37   chilly enough way to say we're not [TS]

00:27:39   having a serious conversation here are [TS]

00:27:41   we right and and talking to the comics [TS]

00:27:44   that I know every one of them really [TS]

00:27:47   does believe like at ten years of doing [TS]

00:27:49   stand-up every night for 10 years and [TS]

00:27:53   that's not ten years from the time you [TS]

00:27:56   first did stand-up and high in high [TS]

00:27:57   school and the and the present but 10 [TS]

00:28:00   straight years of doing stand-up you can [TS]

00:28:03   come up to me and we'll talk about [TS]

00:28:05   stand-up comedy [TS]

00:28:06   and in in that case I will probably [TS]

00:28:09   already know who you are so we want [TS]

00:28:11   right so it won't have to be like you [TS]

00:28:14   telling me all the standard having this [TS]

00:28:16   same conversation that I i find myself [TS]

00:28:18   stuck in six times a month [TS]

00:28:20   well I have this upsetting my other fake [TS]

00:28:21   career as a Productivity self-help [TS]

00:28:23   retired productivity guru I'm obsessed [TS]

00:28:26   with that idea of expertise and why it [TS]

00:28:28   is that the 70 or 80 year old butcher [TS]

00:28:30   knows this weighs a pound this roast [TS]

00:28:32   beef but you can't tell you why i'm very [TS]

00:28:34   interested in that idea and I think the [TS]

00:28:36   same thing happens I mean you so you [TS]

00:28:37   people not necessarily you but most of [TS]

00:28:39   us I think nothing of walking up to Matt [TS]

00:28:41   Fraction going [TS]

00:28:42   how'd you get security context like what [TS]

00:28:43   I have been obsessed since as a child [TS]

00:28:45   and I work incredibly hard you would [TS]

00:28:47   never walk up dramatically never got to [TS]

00:28:49   an oncologist and going man pretty sweet [TS]

00:28:51   gig [TS]

00:28:52   yes what's the trick how'd you get into [TS]

00:28:54   talking followed now I know you're [TS]

00:28:55   really smart in medical school but like [TS]

00:28:57   what and he studied like everybody else [TS]

00:28:58   wanna find you study your biology stuff [TS]

00:29:00   and I school whatever what's the trick [TS]

00:29:02   yeah what's the trick I being an [TS]

00:29:04   oncologist what he wanted to let you [TS]

00:29:05   know this stuff already like I read a [TS]

00:29:07   couple of of medical uh thrillers [TS]

00:29:10   seriously seriously seriously just tell [TS]

00:29:12   you man like i had like this is just [TS]

00:29:14   like really seriously my mom have [TS]

00:29:16   fucking cancer [TS]

00:29:17   ok it's like I feel like I'm already [TS]

00:29:19   really close to this and something I [TS]

00:29:21   just really passionate about so i used [TS]

00:29:24   to love dr. Quinn Medicine and cheated a [TS]

00:29:28   lot of amazing matters when you realize [TS]

00:29:30   you you actually like course it's more [TS]

00:29:32   than medicine that's that's what you [TS]

00:29:34   should be studying is course it's well [TS]

00:29:36   and so curiously for me now here's that [TS]

00:29:40   if this is and this is partly a problem [TS]

00:29:43   of being a generalist right because when [TS]

00:29:46   somebody says to me i've been i love to [TS]

00:29:50   do this and I've been doing nothing but [TS]

00:29:51   this since I was 13 years old and I go [TS]

00:29:55   right and what have I been doing since I [TS]

00:29:58   was 13 years old i have here we go [TS]

00:30:01   you know I'll I've been doing a lot of [TS]

00:30:05   well I did a lot of pot smoking john III [TS]

00:30:08   know this story I've heard this story [TS]

00:30:10   i'm glad you did all of those things I'm [TS]

00:30:12   glad you're who you are you special [TS]

00:30:13   little motherfucker I'm glad you're here [TS]

00:30:15   and I'm glad you're fucked up you and [TS]

00:30:16   that's all I'm gonna say about that but [TS]

00:30:18   so the other day I met [TS]

00:30:19   that another party right yeah it's one [TS]

00:30:23   of these parties like that i find myself [TS]

00:30:25   going to more and more and also I didn't [TS]

00:30:30   tell you this but I got I got roped in [TS]

00:30:31   to a imbroglio the the music and [TS]

00:30:38   nightlife community in seattle which is [TS]

00:30:40   in which by which i mean like the local [TS]

00:30:43   club owners and bar owners a group of [TS]

00:30:46   them got together and held a press [TS]

00:30:48   conference where they endorsed the [TS]

00:30:50   challenger in the mayoral race and my [TS]

00:30:55   phone rang I was sitting here at my [TS]

00:30:57   computer making a song for Joseph [TS]

00:31:02   scrimshaw long story my phone rings and [TS]

00:31:06   i made the classic error of answering it [TS]

00:31:09   because I was because I'm remortgaging [TS]

00:31:12   my house and there was a lot going on [TS]

00:31:15   that day and the phone rang and it was a [TS]

00:31:16   number i didn't recognize and I was like [TS]

00:31:17   oh shit I ok i'll answer and I answered [TS]

00:31:21   it and it was someone from the mayor's [TS]

00:31:23   office and they said the club owners the [TS]

00:31:27   downtown rock club owners are having a [TS]

00:31:30   press conference right now and they're [TS]

00:31:31   endorsing the opponent and I was like oh [TS]

00:31:34   cheese and they said we need you to have [TS]

00:31:39   a press conference [TS]

00:31:40   what and I said love me I'm busy [TS]

00:31:45   I'm super busy today and they were like [TS]

00:31:47   yeah we need you to have a press [TS]

00:31:49   conference right now where are you [TS]

00:31:51   you're shitting me i was like i'm at my [TS]

00:31:53   house but i'm going to a i'm going [TS]

00:31:56   downtown in a minute and they were like [TS]

00:31:58   great tell us where you are and a half [TS]

00:32:00   an hour and so I was downtown and they [TS]

00:32:05   called me again and they were like where [TS]

00:32:06   are you and I said I'm standing in front [TS]

00:32:08   of those far and they're like stay there [TS]

00:32:10   and five minutes later a news van drives [TS]

00:32:13   up and I'm standing there like going [TS]

00:32:17   what is WTF news van drives up [TS]

00:32:23   look lady see if hilly yeah right it was [TS]

00:32:25   the WTF it was Cairo and and a guy jumps [TS]

00:32:29   out in a certain time a cameraman and [TS]

00:32:32   they have a [TS]

00:32:32   big puffy microphone and they get some [TS]

00:32:35   b-roll of of the reporter and me walking [TS]

00:32:38   up and down the sidewalk a few times [TS]

00:32:40   like engaged in conversation and then [TS]

00:32:43   they interviewed me about like how do [TS]

00:32:44   you feel about this group of club owners [TS]

00:32:46   and the music business people endorsing [TS]

00:32:48   the opponent and I'm like I i feel like [TS]

00:32:52   the mayor's doing a great job and you [TS]

00:32:55   know when I gave like I gave a kind of [TS]

00:32:57   like there's there are no losers in this [TS]

00:33:00   election both candidates are amazing and [TS]

00:33:02   i think the mayor is has been great for [TS]

00:33:05   the local music community and I like him [TS]

00:33:07   personally I think he's a good they [TS]

00:33:08   could dude so the club owners are don't [TS]

00:33:12   speak for all of us and they're like [TS]

00:33:14   thanks and they jumped in the van and 45 [TS]

00:33:19   minutes later it was on the evening news [TS]

00:33:21   so was it how was it how is it frame i [TS]

00:33:26   mean least in my experience when you [TS]

00:33:27   interview there waiting for you to say [TS]

00:33:29   one particular line that they can ya [TS]

00:33:31   used to underscore some things they made [TS]

00:33:33   up [TS]

00:33:33   yeah that's what it was it was like it [TS]

00:33:35   was like a bunch of a bunch of music [TS]

00:33:38   industry people endorse the opponent [TS]

00:33:40   today and they they flip to this panel [TS]

00:33:42   of 20 people that I know who are all [TS]

00:33:45   sitting around the the Challenger whose [TS]

00:33:47   name is Eddie Murray and they're like we [TS]

00:33:50   just don't think the mayor's doing a [TS]

00:33:51   good enough job and it kind of the [TS]

00:33:54   camera pans around and they talk about [TS]

00:33:56   it for a minute or so and then the then [TS]

00:33:59   the voiceover says but not everybody in [TS]

00:34:01   the music community feels like the [TS]

00:34:02   mayor's doing a bad job and then it cuts [TS]

00:34:04   to me walking down the sidewalk having a [TS]

00:34:07   pretend conversation with the reporter [TS]

00:34:08   we found we found local and full picnic [TS]

00:34:12   and Roderick standing in front of a ball [TS]

00:34:15   or yeah they said local homeless person [TS]

00:34:18   look alike [TS]

00:34:19   rock musician from the long winters John [TS]

00:34:21   Roderick says the mayor's doing a fine [TS]

00:34:23   job and then then I guess when I say I [TS]

00:34:25   think they're doing a fuck [TS]

00:34:27   back to you Tom back to you Tom right [TS]

00:34:30   and and so so the following night i'm at [TS]

00:34:36   a party and the mayor is there and a lot [TS]

00:34:40   of his [TS]

00:34:41   campaign people are there and we're [TS]

00:34:48   having a lot of that you know the mirror [TS]

00:34:49   and I have a little 10-minute long like [TS]

00:34:51   little huddle we're talking about [TS]

00:34:53   talking about the day and talking about [TS]

00:34:55   you know his feelings are hurt that the [TS]

00:34:57   that the music business is endorsing his [TS]

00:35:01   opponent and I think rightfully so and [TS]

00:35:05   he's you know he's also like he's [TS]

00:35:07   campaigning hard right now he's behind [TS]

00:35:09   in the polls but then his staff starts [TS]

00:35:13   you know kinda coming around and I have [TS]

00:35:17   a have a couple of conversations with [TS]

00:35:18   people where they're patting me on the [TS]

00:35:19   back like thank you for that thank you [TS]

00:35:22   for having that press conference and [TS]

00:35:24   then two separate occasions the person [TS]

00:35:27   leaned in [TS]

00:35:27   you know this is like the mayor's chief [TS]

00:35:29   of staff and then his head his campaign [TS]

00:35:31   head clean and they go when we can when [TS]

00:35:34   we going to get you on the City Council [TS]

00:35:35   God and you gotta get away John you [TS]

00:35:40   gotta get away that and I was like wow [TS]

00:35:42   wow wow [TS]

00:35:46   and all afternoon and all evening and [TS]

00:35:49   all the next day actually all the day [TS]

00:35:51   after that your virginal what's going to [TS]

00:35:56   be painted in gold on your door [TS]

00:35:57   I walked around conducting my campaign [TS]

00:36:01   by imaginarium you know like like this [TS]

00:36:06   just generally like looking at the arc [TS]

00:36:09   of the of the campaign maybe some you [TS]

00:36:10   know some brochures with some pictures [TS]

00:36:13   of me walking through a park with my [TS]

00:36:15   family at my out-of-wedlock child and [TS]

00:36:19   you know and then pictured myself kind [TS]

00:36:26   of going door-to-door in my neighborhood [TS]

00:36:28   and shots fired say you know [TS]

00:36:33   hi ru I'm i live in this neighborhood [TS]

00:36:35   with you and that guy you got your treat [TS]

00:36:37   and I'm running for office you might [TS]

00:36:39   have seen me in the in your yard in a [TS]

00:36:41   bathroom with the sword at some time [TS]

00:36:44   recently chasing the neighbor's dog but [TS]

00:36:46   now i'm running for the City Council and [TS]

00:36:49   i feel like uh together we can rid the [TS]

00:36:53   neighborhood of [TS]

00:36:54   stray dogs and loud stereos weekend but [TS]

00:36:59   we can bet we can improve all of the [TS]

00:37:02   guard towers that I have been erecting [TS]

00:37:04   in the forests that's exciting John so [TS]

00:37:10   but but again but I so again I'm drawn [TS]

00:37:13   to this question like there are people [TS]

00:37:15   in public office in city government and [TS]

00:37:18   in nonprofits who have done nothing else [TS]

00:37:20   since they were you know these are the [TS]

00:37:23   people that were like Reese Witherspoon [TS]

00:37:26   in in election in high school and [TS]

00:37:31   they've just reached Witherspoon to [TS]

00:37:33   themselves all the way until they get [TS]

00:37:35   elected to something and then pretty [TS]

00:37:38   soon they make it to Washington and then [TS]

00:37:40   pretty soon they are Condoleezza Rice [TS]

00:37:42   and again i am i am the consummate [TS]

00:37:48   generalist and i'm standing in this [TS]

00:37:53   situation sort of like hey when are we [TS]

00:37:54   going to get you on the City Council and [TS]

00:37:56   I'm thinking yes let's get me on the [TS]

00:37:59   City Council in the hit the same way [TS]

00:38:02   that when when my frat brothers say you [TS]

00:38:05   should be a stand-up I'm like yes I [TS]

00:38:08   should be a stand-up are you kidding but [TS]

00:38:11   in fact i don't know if i would be good [TS]

00:38:14   at that at all i don't know anything [TS]

00:38:16   about that world I imagine there are a [TS]

00:38:18   lot of PowerPoint demonstrations I [TS]

00:38:20   imagine there are a lot of meetings [TS]

00:38:23   where you could potentially despise [TS]

00:38:26   every single person in the room [TS]

00:38:27   including you [TS]

00:38:28   yeah right where I'm sitting behind the [TS]

00:38:29   desk and I'm listening to somebody [TS]

00:38:31   you're sitting at your sitting in a [TS]

00:38:32   microphone is being shot for for local [TS]

00:38:34   cable TV that's right and somebody's [TS]

00:38:36   somebody's on there talking about like [TS]

00:38:38   how the shade of their mailbox should be [TS]

00:38:40   acceptable right or somebody's yelling [TS]

00:38:42   at me about the about the who gets the [TS]

00:38:46   rights to the gooey ducks in the title [TS]

00:38:48   waters around the you know around their [TS]

00:38:53   boat dock and that's a that's a [TS]

00:38:56   Northwest reference that are expected [TS]

00:38:58   that sounds like what I don't know any [TS]

00:38:59   that means but I have to guess that [TS]

00:39:01   would be easily one of the most [TS]

00:39:02   interesting conversation she would ever [TS]

00:39:03   have one yeah you're absolutely right [TS]

00:39:05   you're absolutely right it was it is [TS]

00:39:07   more [TS]

00:39:07   it is more a question of somebody [TS]

00:39:09   yelling at me because the taco bus that [TS]

00:39:12   I go to does not have a wheelchair [TS]

00:39:13   access [TS]

00:39:14   I was just going to say I was going to [TS]

00:39:15   guess that it could be stuff like like [TS]

00:39:17   here's a big dust-up about food trucks [TS]

00:39:18   and where they could be in the [TS]

00:39:20   restaurant owners associations whatever [TS]

00:39:22   got together to try [TS]

00:39:23   that's the kind of thing is and that's [TS]

00:39:25   that's I don't want to read because I'm [TS]

00:39:26   much questions particular thread bit [TS]

00:39:28   could you if you can if you choose to [TS]

00:39:31   could you briefly say what it is that [TS]

00:39:34   the bar owners and club owners are [TS]

00:39:36   theoretically so unhappy with it sounds [TS]

00:39:38   like a jamup John it's a little bit of a [TS]

00:39:40   jam important I mean both candidates for [TS]

00:39:42   Seattle City Mayor are incredibly [TS]

00:39:44   progressive liberal uh up candidates and [TS]

00:39:50   like there's there there are no losers [TS]

00:39:52   here [TS]

00:39:53   the difference is that one that the head [TS]

00:39:56   marie i think is a liberal in the kind [TS]

00:40:01   of classic Northwest mode he knows how [TS]

00:40:04   to get things done by putting a group of [TS]

00:40:08   people together in a room and reaching a [TS]

00:40:12   solution together and he knows how to [TS]

00:40:15   come out and announce the solution where [TS]

00:40:18   he gives the credit to everybody that [TS]

00:40:20   was on the panel and everybody feels [TS]

00:40:23   good and they go do their part of the [TS]

00:40:25   solution or they presumably go do their [TS]

00:40:27   part of the solution [TS]

00:40:29   feeling validated and the mayor quite [TS]

00:40:34   honestly is somebody that sometimes [TS]

00:40:38   struggles to get a group of people to [TS]

00:40:43   agree where everybody leaves the meeting [TS]

00:40:46   feeling really good about themselves [TS]

00:40:48   the mayor is more of these a little bit [TS]

00:40:50   more imperial and a little bit as a [TS]

00:40:53   tendency to say here's how it's going to [TS]

00:40:56   go here's the right course of action [TS]

00:40:58   either get in line or go fuck yourself [TS]

00:41:02   and kept in by seattle standards it's a [TS]

00:41:05   little bit it's a little tough you know [TS]

00:41:08   it's a little bit tough love and and [TS]

00:41:10   there have been a couple of pretty [TS]

00:41:12   there have been a couple of instances [TS]

00:41:15   where a thing failed because the mayor [TS]

00:41:18   couldn't get people to he couldn't even [TS]

00:41:21   drawn of happy faces on it right like [TS]

00:41:25   the thing was clearly what needed to [TS]

00:41:27   happen and everybody just needed to shut [TS]

00:41:29   up and do it but in the end a key person [TS]

00:41:35   withheld their vote and if you talk to [TS]

00:41:37   them about it in private they would say [TS]

00:41:39   ya i withheld my vote you know why [TS]

00:41:41   because fuck that guy who and it's like [TS]

00:41:44   oh right oof [TS]

00:41:46   you cannot you can but the Imperial [TS]

00:41:49   method does not work in seattle / [TS]

00:41:51   especially because we have a strong City [TS]

00:41:54   Council and a week may or ality so the [TS]

00:41:58   City Council you know you really have to [TS]

00:42:00   like Greece those guys and gals it's [TS]

00:42:05   less popular degrees the gals you have [TS]

00:42:07   to you know you have to like be a [TS]

00:42:10   coalition builder right and so the about [TS]

00:42:14   but honestly I feel like the music the [TS]

00:42:16   music crowd that threw their weight [TS]

00:42:18   behind the Challenger was more doing it [TS]

00:42:23   because [TS]

00:42:26   twenty years ago nobody gave off fuck [TS]

00:42:28   about the club owners and the music [TS]

00:42:31   business i would say in fact that the [TS]

00:42:33   city of seattle was actually so hostile [TS]

00:42:35   to the rock scene for so many years it [TS]

00:42:37   was the worst to finally have a mayoral [TS]

00:42:38   office that comes to rock shows and it [TS]

00:42:40   knows musicians by name you know the [TS]

00:42:42   temperature is the temperature the city [TS]

00:42:43   has changed under the beginning [TS]

00:42:45   ministration since John Rutter ah can't [TS]

00:42:51   find the video i guess the video is this [TS]

00:42:54   here in this but I look at that Scarlett [TS]

00:42:56   Johansson is the sexiest woman alive [TS]

00:42:58   uh-huh I what I don't mind so much from [TS]

00:43:00   Cairo tv.com but I feel like what [TS]

00:43:03   happened was these music business people [TS]

00:43:05   finally got a mayor that treated them [TS]

00:43:07   with respect and they started to feel [TS]

00:43:10   like as a group together they actually [TS]

00:43:13   had political power [TS]

00:43:15   you know like that for the first time [TS]

00:43:17   people were listening to them but who [TS]

00:43:19   and the Challenger was courting their [TS]

00:43:22   affections like they'd be they have [TS]

00:43:24   become and partly this is that all of [TS]

00:43:26   the people involved have grown up and [TS]

00:43:27   they're all now 48 years old and there [TS]

00:43:31   they own respectable businesses and they [TS]

00:43:33   have they built a little cub all right [TS]

00:43:37   so how much is that how much political [TS]

00:43:41   power is that if they continue to work [TS]

00:43:44   with this mayor that they kind of that [TS]

00:43:47   they can came up with versus what if [TS]

00:43:51   they take their ball and go play with [TS]

00:43:53   the other guy and as a group I think [TS]

00:43:58   they can move to the other candidate and [TS]

00:44:01   have ants and appear to have more power [TS]

00:44:04   more authority in in them in the [TS]

00:44:06   movement you know what are the only i'm [TS]

00:44:08   i'm a dummy what what are they were the [TS]

00:44:11   nightclubs Seattle not getting from [TS]

00:44:13   their mayor of these days right [TS]

00:44:15   precisely Katniss absolutely there will [TS]

00:44:18   be no difference between the two [TS]

00:44:21   candidates there is no different than [TS]

00:44:22   probably got nothing to lose if it's at [TS]

00:44:24   it's a tight ish race and somebody [TS]

00:44:26   offers them something you know on the [TS]

00:44:28   strength you know worst-case scenario [TS]

00:44:30   that guy loses they still got what they [TS]

00:44:31   had before but this there they could be [TS]

00:44:34   you know promise whatever and now or [TS]

00:44:36   they can just they can feel like okay [TS]

00:44:38   now you know that [TS]

00:44:39   their group gets as their group gets [TS]

00:44:41   tighter and and acts as a at acts as a [TS]

00:44:48   another conscience in the city [TS]

00:44:50   government right they become another [TS]

00:44:53   group of concerned business owners and [TS]

00:44:56   and typically that could typically [TS]

00:44:58   rock-and-roll people are pretty [TS]

00:45:00   progressive in their politics so it's [TS]

00:45:04   another group of people that have a have [TS]

00:45:06   a nice combination of their cool right [TS]

00:45:09   they look cool and they do cool things [TS]

00:45:10   and they are also very progressive and [TS]

00:45:13   very thoughtful who [TS]

00:45:15   so normally when when there's a press [TS]

00:45:17   conference and it's like some downtown [TS]

00:45:18   business owners have a problem with the [TS]

00:45:20   mayor [TS]

00:45:21   it turns out that they are angry about [TS]

00:45:24   taxes or they're angry about parking or [TS]

00:45:29   they're angry about zoning you know [TS]

00:45:31   they're angry about some some not in my [TS]

00:45:33   backyard a business owner bullshit right [TS]

00:45:38   but this group of club owners and rock [TS]

00:45:40   people is actually kind of making a play [TS]

00:45:42   to be to be conscientious and say like [TS]

00:45:46   we're concerned about the the way the [TS]

00:45:50   city does business we're concerned about [TS]

00:45:52   the way the mayor treats the you know [TS]

00:45:58   the kids the way the police department [TS]

00:46:01   enforces the laws like that it that this [TS]

00:46:03   group is actually trying to be trying to [TS]

00:46:06   have a wide-ranging effect it's a it's [TS]

00:46:09   it's actually astonishing and cool um [TS]

00:46:13   but i but I feel like it's my mom once [TS]

00:46:18   told me a story about her life in [TS]

00:46:21   corporate America and she said I had to [TS]

00:46:25   I had to confront the fact that over [TS]

00:46:29   time I realized when I walked into a [TS]

00:46:31   meeting my feeling was either that i was [TS]

00:46:35   going to lead the meeting or I was going [TS]

00:46:38   to be the gadfly and those were the only [TS]

00:46:42   two roles for me in a in a meeting i was [TS]

00:46:47   never ever going to just sit and be one [TS]

00:46:49   of 20 people in a meeting [TS]

00:46:51   I was either going to try and take the [TS]

00:46:52   meeting over or if I couldn't then I was [TS]

00:46:56   going to be the one that that kept [TS]

00:46:59   bringing up the problems can bring up a [TS]

00:47:03   problem with the plan and she was like I [TS]

00:47:07   i I'd recognize that meetings were bad [TS]

00:47:11   that we're kind of a bad place for me [TS]

00:47:13   and she was telling me this story I [TS]

00:47:16   kinda I I recognize that in myself like [TS]

00:47:18   either i'm going to lead the meeting or [TS]

00:47:19   I'm gonna be the one with his feet up on [TS]

00:47:22   the desk chewing bubblegum and saying [TS]

00:47:25   that's never going to work and it's a [TS]

00:47:28   kind of its a maybe a personality flaw [TS]

00:47:31   right to not be if if if you if you do [TS]

00:47:35   not end up leading the meeting but but [TS]

00:47:38   cannot just sit and be a part of the [TS]

00:47:40   meeting [TS]

00:47:40   that's a that is a that's a tendency to [TS]

00:47:46   know and we what you would have to have [TS]

00:47:49   that if you got this city council gig I [TS]

00:47:52   feel like my role in the City Council go [TS]

00:47:54   watch TV is John oh my god it's so [TS]

00:47:56   boring but I feel like it's it's a me [TS]

00:47:58   it's some of that is the static camera [TS]

00:48:00   angle you know if they had more dynamic [TS]

00:48:02   feel like three cameras set up or [TS]

00:48:04   different set aside a verte like a Roman [TS]

00:48:06   guile and steady cam better effects and [TS]

00:48:09   better lighting to the city council [TS]

00:48:11   meetings are lit so I feel like everyone [TS]

00:48:13   looks like hepatitis but I feel like I [TS]

00:48:15   would be I would be elected on a [TS]

00:48:19   platform of like a on a cool dad [TS]

00:48:24   platform [TS]

00:48:25   oh right like rock-and-roll dad platform [TS]

00:48:28   and so every city council meeting right [TS]

00:48:31   needs one council member whose ties a [TS]

00:48:33   little bit askew whose hair is a little [TS]

00:48:35   bit must please forward everyone silence [TS]

00:48:39   says are we really talking about this [TS]

00:48:41   still Scalia yeah i would be I'd be this [TS]

00:48:45   well yeah at least we are protected the [TS]

00:48:48   get you would in fact be the gadflies [TS]

00:48:49   what I'm cid Booker you be the one who [TS]

00:48:52   I'd be booger from Booker Booker from [TS]

00:48:54   from revenge of the nerds [TS]

00:48:57   uh yeah did you not see revenge of the [TS]

00:49:00   nerds ever seen [TS]

00:49:01   not now come on we got the old cruise [TS]

00:49:05   control set on 35 son again added to the [TS]

00:49:10   list [TS]

00:49:10   I just I might and I like the cool dad [TS]

00:49:12   platform because i think you could rock [TS]

00:49:14   that shit right [TS]

00:49:15   yes right and then I'm betting Mike city [TS]

00:49:17   council member atlarge because you never [TS]

00:49:21   you never wear a suit but you also know [TS]

00:49:23   you never wear a standard like a Brooks [TS]

00:49:24   Brothers suit but she also never wear [TS]

00:49:26   patagonia know right see I'm somewhere [TS]

00:49:29   I'm like you know my first or dad I've [TS]

00:49:31   gotta gotta gotta gotta love a Pendleton [TS]

00:49:35   jacket that was in a free pile and I've [TS]

00:49:38   got the cost and white tennis shoes [TS]

00:49:40   yes got some filson Wilson you get paid [TS]

00:49:42   and pink pants with whale and yeah I've [TS]

00:49:45   been at I that that was like somebody's [TS]

00:49:48   club tire my dad's quite productive [TS]

00:49:50   exchange contracts illustrates that [TS]

00:49:53   right celebrates his fifth term on the [TS]

00:49:56   City Council and is that we really doing [TS]

00:49:58   this right that's it with that you know [TS]

00:50:01   what that's a freebie that's your slogan [TS]

00:50:02   John Rother for City Council are we [TS]

00:50:03   really do we really doing this [TS]

00:50:05   we're really doing this and so also [TS]

00:50:07   basically although i would be elected [TS]

00:50:09   initially to represent one neighborhood [TS]

00:50:11   as time went on all all cool dads [TS]

00:50:15   throughout the town would realize that I [TS]

00:50:16   was their representative [TS]

00:50:17   well you're gonna have keys to stop and [TS]

00:50:19   you're going to the phone numbers of [TS]

00:50:20   people you're going to be able in what [TS]

00:50:22   the thing is you could get in there and [TS]

00:50:23   be being a kind of the Trojan horse [TS]

00:50:25   attrition John you get in there and you [TS]

00:50:28   would be able to insinuate yourself in [TS]

00:50:29   small ways to political favors for [TS]

00:50:31   people maybe mow their lawn but [TS]

00:50:32   something where like they would owe you [TS]

00:50:34   that's the unique people do you yeah [TS]

00:50:36   that's why people are lasers people to [TS]

00:50:38   favorites as they want people to over [TS]

00:50:39   them I'd be the master of ceremonies at [TS]

00:50:41   slovakia days I would be the you know [TS]

00:50:46   who does that these days [TS]

00:50:47   probably that's the thing is easily [TS]

00:50:49   slovak nobody from the City Council is [TS]

00:50:51   even aware that there are slovak days a [TS]

00:50:54   Slovak days celebration i went on right [TS]

00:50:58   now more than ever [TS]

00:50:59   yeah that's right are we really doing [TS]

00:51:01   this we really doing [TS]

00:51:02   that's what I'd be all over you know i'm [TS]

00:51:04   already all over the city i would just [TS]

00:51:06   be all over the city as a city [TS]

00:51:07   councilman kissing babies kissing air [TS]

00:51:10   kissing babies let me kiss your baby [TS]

00:51:12   mhm [TS]

00:51:14   I said video of myself today that I [TS]

00:51:16   hadn't seen in awhile was on a panel and [TS]

00:51:18   I look like such an asshole [TS]

00:51:19   the entire time i make faces the entire [TS]

00:51:21   time on this panel I didn't I know I [TS]

00:51:23   don't realize that i'm doing this but I [TS]

00:51:24   apparently make absolutely no attempt to [TS]

00:51:26   cover up when I think about what I [TS]

00:51:27   people like that and I I don't have any [TS]

00:51:30   filter I just I'm I screw up my face and [TS]

00:51:32   start scribbling in a notebook and I'm [TS]

00:51:34   just thinking something like that maybe [TS]

00:51:36   write down your campaign poster where [TS]

00:51:38   the are we really doing this face like [TS]

00:51:40   family very beginning you're loosening [TS]

00:51:42   your time maybe it's an animated gif 11 [TS]

00:51:44   one eyebrow raised [TS]

00:51:46   coming behind way way back in my city [TS]

00:51:48   councilman's chair [TS]

00:51:49   are we really doing this like grabbing [TS]

00:51:52   my microphone off the table and holding [TS]

00:51:54   it on my belly garbage [TS]

00:51:58   yeah i mean i really feel like there's a [TS]

00:52:00   lot you know but and you know and winter [TS]

00:52:03   I would I would I would switch to an alt [TS]

00:52:04   we'd sort of costume [TS]

00:52:07   oh man think about think about all those [TS]

00:52:08   characters from when we were kids all [TS]

00:52:10   those those politicians that were so [TS]

00:52:12   colorful and so well-known you get your [TS]

00:52:13   tip o'neill she got to turn up [TS]

00:52:15   that's exactly Bella abs or whatever you [TS]

00:52:18   can feel like the bell labs ugh of the [TS]

00:52:19   of the City Council obviously the [TS]

00:52:21   seattle's bell labs we know that you've [TS]

00:52:23   got the skills to to get in there and [TS]

00:52:25   say are we really doing this but it [TS]

00:52:27   would help if during your first lesson [TS]

00:52:28   90 days your first hundred days if [TS]

00:52:30   you're able to institute something that [TS]

00:52:33   was really massive that nobody even [TS]

00:52:36   realize the city needed and you got it [TS]

00:52:38   done regardless of who you had to take [TS]

00:52:40   out to get there I don't know what that [TS]

00:52:41   would be [TS]

00:52:42   but I know what it would be why ziplines [TS]

00:52:46   seattle is built on hills are we really [TS]

00:52:51   doing this let me catch off there is a [TS]

00:52:52   one-word there are hills all over the [TS]

00:52:54   city and zip lines are there no sir i'm [TS]

00:52:59   talking about public zip lines as a [TS]

00:53:01   former public supplies costs almost [TS]

00:53:02   nothing to install John that's right now [TS]

00:53:04   I'm now picture a zip line from Capitol [TS]

00:53:06   Hill to pike place market it would be it [TS]

00:53:10   would be the most popular form of public [TS]

00:53:12   transit in an in an hour maybe huge [TS]

00:53:15   people be taking pictures feeling fine [TS]

00:53:17   shirts [TS]

00:53:18   yeah throwing throwing fish at people as [TS]

00:53:20   they came down so inns in seattle if [TS]

00:53:22   you're on capitol hill and you want to [TS]

00:53:24   go to ballard which is on the [TS]

00:53:26   opposite side of the town and there's a [TS]

00:53:29   lake in the way and all the roads are [TS]

00:53:32   are like bottlenecks and cluster fucks [TS]

00:53:34   you can add until I'm preaching to the [TS]

00:53:36   choir concert Francisco is like this to [TS]

00:53:38   you gotta go from point A to point B [TS]

00:53:40   there is no way to do it there's no [TS]

00:53:42   straight line [TS]

00:53:43   it's just like from from Capitol Hill [TS]

00:53:45   Ballard as the crow flies is not that [TS]

00:53:47   far but trying to get there is just like [TS]

00:53:50   it's like one of those games where you [TS]

00:53:54   can tilt the surface of the maze and the [TS]

00:53:56   little ball but you're hacking system [TS]

00:53:58   this is your Kobayashi kobayashi maru [TS]

00:53:59   you're saying Capitol Hill to pike place [TS]

00:54:01   in three high-flying minutes let's be [TS]

00:54:03   gents city again but the strategy and [TS]

00:54:05   jurists and on areas that are too far [TS]

00:54:08   zipline obviously requires a certain [TS]

00:54:10   amount of upper body strength there are [TS]

00:54:12   people that are going to be able to use [TS]

00:54:13   the zip line at the zipline can hang [TS]

00:54:16   them in a basket [TS]

00:54:17   it is applied well okay there should be [TS]

00:54:19   baskets and pom-pom lifts but uh but [TS]

00:54:23   gondolas right why is there no Capitol [TS]

00:54:26   Hill to ballard gone too long if you can [TS]

00:54:29   make a gondola that goes all the way up [TS]

00:54:31   those to Zermatt Switzerland or whatever [TS]

00:54:33   you you go up the Zugspitze and and up [TS]

00:54:37   to the septum the Matterhorn or whatever [TS]

00:54:39   with a gondola why can you not go from [TS]

00:54:41   from Capitol Hill to the ballot you know [TS]

00:54:43   who would love this the children of cool [TS]

00:54:45   rock and roll dad's exactly and cool [TS]

00:54:48   dads throughout the city and all those [TS]

00:54:50   differences in Patagonia they would they [TS]

00:54:51   would love it they would eventually say [TS]

00:54:53   this tourist and it used to be better [TS]

00:54:54   but they will be there on day one with [TS]

00:54:56   the fleece and their lattes [TS]

00:54:58   yeah if I said if I said all right [TS]

00:54:59   here's what we're going to do we're [TS]

00:55:00   going to build two huge towers one on [TS]

00:55:02   top capitulo and one in fremont and it's [TS]

00:55:05   going to be a gondola ride all the way [TS]

00:55:07   across Lake Union the only people that [TS]

00:55:09   we can play other people that wrote [TS]

00:55:10   currently run the seaplane operation out [TS]

00:55:12   of leaking because the garden would [TS]

00:55:14   interfere with their see planning you [TS]

00:55:17   like you've never been scared of special [TS]

00:55:19   interest groups [TS]

00:55:21   well the thing is I speak seaplane right [TS]

00:55:23   I can talk to those guys about their [TS]

00:55:25   beaters and their orders and the you [TS]

00:55:28   know like i know the entire de Havilland [TS]

00:55:30   range of aircraft we can we can reach we [TS]

00:55:33   can reach some kind of agreement will [TS]

00:55:34   just change the flight traffic but it so [TS]

00:55:36   anyway ziplines palma lives [TS]

00:55:39   and gondolas all over the city [TS]

00:55:41   crisscrossing seattle and all of a [TS]

00:55:44   sudden your crosstown traffic problems [TS]

00:55:46   are solved right well and you know what [TS]

00:55:50   it's amazing talking about this i was on [TS]

00:55:53   the table [TS]

00:55:54   sorry about this mr. Roderick I had a [TS]

00:55:57   couple questions about the zoning ramen [TS]

00:55:58   are we still talking about this guy [TS]

00:56:00   amazing question who you know love [TS]

00:56:01   ziplines everybody we are talking about [TS]

00:56:04   this one who doesn't love ziplines [TS]

00:56:06   Communists and i would have to have my [TS]

00:56:09   little I have my little orange bell [TS]

00:56:11   right there on my city council desk [TS]

00:56:12   right and people would be like because [TS]

00:56:14   you don't but I have questions about [TS]

00:56:15   anything and integrated they're gonna be [TS]

00:56:18   universal access to the popular thing we [TS]

00:56:21   still talking about that we still [TS]

00:56:22   talking about this is my fucking bail [TS]

00:56:24   i'm not i just trying to get an opening [TS]

00:56:26   their idea the the hundred days thing [TS]

00:56:28   that was reasonable right was it was [TS]

00:56:30   felt by dr than a hundred days out and [TS]

00:56:33   apple now that's a different bell now [TS]

00:56:36   had a hundred first hundred days [TS]

00:56:38   yeah well mounted uh well i guess it was [TS]

00:56:41   stolen and five-year plans and mouth had [TS]

00:56:43   what were they [TS]

00:56:45   seven-year plans Yeah Yeah right [TS]

00:56:48   I think a city councilman should happen [TS]

00:56:50   to have a bit bigger Bell think that's [TS]

00:56:52   the one you need a name like that though [TS]

00:56:54   like the Great Leap Forward eating [TS]

00:56:56   something you need a name like that the [TS]

00:56:58   great the you-know-what no one's leaving [TS]

00:57:00   no one's using great leap forward right [TS]

00:57:02   now it's a great and read about it in [TS]

00:57:05   connection with with zip lines and the [TS]

00:57:07   weight loss people would have great leap [TS]

00:57:10   forward great the Great Leap Forward [TS]

00:57:13   into a zip line from Broadway you know [TS]

00:57:17   what you have plenty of ways to talk but [TS]

00:57:18   we're really talking about this [TS]

00:57:20   no no are we yes what is it are we [TS]

00:57:22   really doing this [TS]

00:57:23   are we still talking about we still [TS]

00:57:25   gotta let you know we got that we should [TS]

00:57:26   probably a workshop these a little bit [TS]

00:57:28   yeah you're right [TS]

00:57:29   are you still helps let's get to the [TS]

00:57:31   really awkward part we are you still [TS]

00:57:32   going to be able to do our program when [TS]

00:57:34   you're on the City Council I don't see [TS]

00:57:36   any reason why not you know the the [TS]

00:57:37   thing is that most of our listeners are [TS]

00:57:39   in the UK and new zealand do you know [TS]

00:57:42   that for a fact [TS]

00:57:43   no no I feel like we have we have a [TS]

00:57:46   considerable listenership in like Iowa [TS]

00:57:48   California to get a lot of Germans John [TS]

00:57:51   lot of Germans that's true [TS]

00:57:53   that's true and i don't think any of [TS]

00:57:54   those people are really going to I doubt [TS]

00:57:57   very much that anybody's gonna send a [TS]

00:57:58   concerned letter to the seattle city [TS]

00:58:00   government saying do you realize who's [TS]

00:58:03   running for the cs City Council the [TS]

00:58:05   Senate's have you listen to his podcast [TS]

00:58:06   and the people of Seattle that listen to [TS]

00:58:10   this podcast are going are going to [TS]

00:58:12   benefit so much from my counsel ship [TS]

00:58:14   that absolutely could get any worse most [TS]

00:58:17   of them are on probation [TS]

00:58:18   that's right they're not gonna out me [TS]

00:58:19   out me it's all it's only going to be [TS]

00:58:21   one of these these angry undergraduates [TS]

00:58:24   from reading this I don't know on the [TS]

00:58:28   dgcl have a sister city or similar yeah [TS]

00:58:33   i think i want to maybe bergen norway [TS]

00:58:36   you know I think I think regular Vic is [TS]

00:58:40   one of our sister cities although i [TS]

00:58:41   doubt that regulate actually exists [TS]

00:58:43   sister cities for the city Seattle [TS]

00:58:46   showing a light Morgan a bit beer and [TS]

00:58:49   pronounced right apologize in advance [TS]

00:58:51   Beersheva Israel oh that's nice perugia [TS]

00:58:54   italy hungers are cheung hing china king [TS]

00:58:59   Seattle has 21 extant sister cities i'm [TS]

00:59:01   just saying it's become a very [TS]

00:59:02   international economy is an [TS]

00:59:04   international flavor we called i 18 n [TS]

00:59:06   it's a very hot topic right now you [TS]

00:59:08   might want to reach out and you might [TS]

00:59:10   even get support from your sisters [TS]

00:59:11   I'm just saying did you know that my [TS]

00:59:13   that my neighborhood is the most diverse [TS]

00:59:15   ZIP code in America that's mind-boggling [TS]

00:59:18   it it's astonishing considering and [TS]

00:59:20   that's not in the way you described it [TS]

00:59:22   to me was it's not in the way it seems [TS]

00:59:23   it isn't like oh there's an equal mix of [TS]

00:59:25   black people and white people it's more [TS]

00:59:26   like no no you've got a sampling you've [TS]

00:59:28   got the ultimate like existential buffet [TS]

00:59:30   humanity was right right there are just [TS]

00:59:33   there are just as many people here from [TS]

00:59:36   a like Vladivostok as there are from [TS]

00:59:41   let's say uruguay [TS]

00:59:48   so if this happens and the mayor gets in [TS]

00:59:52   stays in I assume November whatever this [TS]

00:59:56   first tuesday in november and then what [TS]

00:59:58   there be a city council election [TS]

00:59:59   probably [TS]

00:59:59   probably [TS]

01:00:00   two years two years that's right so i [TS]

01:00:02   have two years to plan my campaign [TS]

01:00:04   that's more than enough time John and I [TS]

01:00:06   feel like I feel like a lot of this is [TS]

01:00:08   the thing a lot of the cost of running a [TS]

01:00:10   campaign is the is publicity and name [TS]

01:00:13   recognition right but i already have [TS]

01:00:17   name recognition and there's gonna be a [TS]

01:00:19   lot of free publicity associated with me [TS]

01:00:22   running for City Council because because [TS]

01:00:26   everybody will want a black people are [TS]

01:00:28   going well let's get on some people that [TS]

01:00:29   people going to come out of the woodwork [TS]

01:00:30   all those people who can't remember [TS]

01:00:31   whether you're arguing with them or not [TS]

01:00:33   somebody that you're 24 finding friends [TS]

01:00:35   then you're gonna know pretty quick [TS]

01:00:37   oh yeah everybody is going to [TS]

01:00:38   everybody's gonna have something to say [TS]

01:00:40   about it and baste i mean i would have [TS]

01:00:43   to run on a platform of everything that [TS]

01:00:46   I like I do not disavow anything that [TS]

01:00:50   I've ever said i stand behind everything [TS]

01:00:53   I've ever said because if you run on a [TS]

01:00:56   platform like that given the sheer [TS]

01:00:59   amount of crackpot shit that I have said [TS]

01:01:01   over the years like in print and in [TS]

01:01:05   public no one no one's gonna be able to [TS]

01:01:07   say like well it you know like duh the [TS]

01:01:13   candidate a you know have had a drinking [TS]

01:01:15   problem or whatever the candidate the [TS]

01:01:17   candidate is a known womanizer because [TS]

01:01:21   you could also say like well the [TS]

01:01:23   candidate has called for a reevaluation [TS]

01:01:25   of Hitler's legacy again click get it a [TS]

01:01:28   read the rest of it's not what it sounds [TS]

01:01:30   like a good candidate the candidate [TS]

01:01:34   believes that all teenagers should be [TS]

01:01:36   put on work farms like there's no you [TS]

01:01:39   could not my record is is is very [TS]

01:01:42   substantive but it's it's so far out [TS]

01:01:46   that you're no one's going to but it's [TS]

01:01:48   it's absolutely and in by not the thing [TS]

01:01:51   is essentially no I didn't say that you [TS]

01:01:53   open a door or they're screwed there's [TS]

01:01:55   so much nonsense you said and it's so [TS]

01:01:58   contradictory there will be difficult to [TS]

01:02:00   even have a presentable piece that you [TS]

01:02:01   put in the paper [TS]

01:02:02   exactly i mean Mike it's not made-up [TS]

01:02:04   what I would say is we still talking [TS]

01:02:06   about this [TS]

01:02:07   listen I put on arguments like other [TS]

01:02:10   people put on jackets and I like the [TS]

01:02:13   look of myself in all these different [TS]

01:02:15   arguments i think i'm very handsome in [TS]

01:02:17   them [TS]

01:02:18   next question galway ireland cotija past [TS]

01:02:22   see Kobe that's what i meant Kobe that's [TS]

01:02:24   where the the beef comes from the right [TS]

01:02:27   leg at Tashkent Uzbekistan [TS]

01:02:30   yeah tashkent that's a big town in [TS]

01:02:33   Uzbekistan that's a you know Seattle's [TS]

01:02:36   not the biggest town in America I think [TS]

01:02:38   it's the 15 biggest town in America [TS]

01:02:40   something like that may not be the [TS]

01:02:41   biggest but it certainly is the zip line [TS]

01:02:44   exists [TS]

01:02:44   that's right well now think about that [TS]

01:02:46   think about think about think about the [TS]

01:02:49   sister cities of seattle all around the [TS]

01:02:51   world how those sister city how quickly [TS]

01:02:54   are those sister cities going to adopt a [TS]

01:02:56   zip line based public transit system one [TS]

01:02:59   Seattle page delay a hundred percent you [TS]

01:03:02   you go to mombasa kenya kenya i think [TS]

01:03:05   they're gonna want to look at ziplines [TS]

01:03:07   yeah yeah [TS]

01:03:08   tashkent six months after I'm elected to [TS]

01:03:11   the city council tashkent is going to be [TS]

01:03:12   the zipline capital of booze Pakistan [TS]

01:03:15   hello this is Haiphong Vietnam we would [TS]

01:03:17   like ziplines please zip lines and [TS]

01:03:19   seattle is going to be by that point we [TS]

01:03:21   will have pioneered like aggressive [TS]

01:03:24   zipline technologies like how they can [TS]

01:03:26   make the iphone 5 cheap now you got all [TS]

01:03:27   the component parts right if you got [TS]

01:03:30   everything you need if you make smart [TS]

01:03:31   and you know what you get locally [TS]

01:03:32   sourced up lines we have an abundance of [TS]

01:03:34   engineers that are totally got cables [TS]

01:03:36   you got going right there's gotta be [TS]

01:03:38   cables land yeah and and Boeing keeps [TS]

01:03:40   driving them there themselves in their [TS]

01:03:42   commercial aircraft business into the [TS]

01:03:44   fucking ground [TS]

01:03:45   so all of these people that will one day [TS]

01:03:47   be out of work will be newly employed in [TS]

01:03:51   my zip line gondolas understand this [TS]

01:03:54   correctly you're telling me this is a [TS]

01:03:56   town that was used to literally be known [TS]

01:03:57   as jet city is bowing the largest [TS]

01:04:00   aircraft manufacturer in the world was [TS]

01:04:01   based there they had factories and [TS]

01:04:04   hangers there you could probably pick [TS]

01:04:05   some of those up pretty cheap and [TS]

01:04:06   convert them to zipline that's very [TS]

01:04:08   pretty cheap right here in job and John [TS]

01:04:11   jobs big big nothing about all the [TS]

01:04:13   supplies you can make in a former 747 [TS]

01:04:15   hanger you could have an entire you can [TS]

01:04:18   have an entire supply industry they're a [TS]

01:04:19   lot smaller than a lot [TS]

01:04:20   is costly to ship more of them on a [TS]

01:04:23   train [TS]

01:04:23   I think right now the Swiss or the [TS]

01:04:25   Germans might have a have like the [TS]

01:04:28   gondola industry pretty well nailed down [TS]

01:04:31   right but i don't know if you knew this [TS]

01:04:33   Spokane Washington headquarters of the [TS]

01:04:37   Riblet company and riblets are the poles [TS]

01:04:42   that support ski lifts oh my goodness [TS]

01:04:47   isn't good for all of the Pacific [TS]

01:04:49   Northwest the entire state of Washington [TS]

01:04:51   is going to benefit which is what i'm [TS]

01:04:52   going to say when i run for Congress I [TS]

01:04:55   think it should help everyone but [TS]

01:04:56   Portland and I think that's going to [TS]

01:04:57   keep you in office [TS]

01:04:58   I think that you can i scan antagonizing [TS]

01:05:01   Portland be part of your platform [TS]

01:05:03   I think if I were elected to the city [TS]

01:05:05   council that by itself would antagonize [TS]

01:05:07   Portland because I've colin Meloy would [TS]

01:05:09   be so mad that it would reverberate [TS]

01:05:12   through the whole town everybody would [TS]

01:05:14   just be like why does I feel a [TS]

01:05:15   disturbance in the force like millions [TS]

01:05:17   of souls crying out at once and it would [TS]

01:05:20   just be calm always sitting on his it [TS]

01:05:21   sitting at his new farm and fuming [TS]

01:05:25   the guy was elected to the seattle city [TS]

01:05:26   council playing an accordion undertoads [TS]

01:05:28   still just so mad but then when I opened [TS]

01:05:34   when I inaugurate the Portland to [TS]

01:05:36   Seattle gondola which admittedly would [TS]

01:05:39   be a pretty long gone to override [TS]

01:05:40   whether you get movies you'd be you'd be [TS]

01:05:43   on there you know for six to eight hours [TS]

01:05:45   but think about the view the whole way I [TS]

01:05:51   am I the thing is this town doesn't have [TS]

01:05:54   enough visionaries and I really feel [TS]

01:05:59   like this is at so anyway having already [TS]

01:06:02   kind of mastered the City Council and [TS]

01:06:04   and run the city until it's like like [TS]

01:06:07   like a finely honed top I'm really now [TS]

01:06:11   planning my Senate run [TS]

01:06:13   ha ho because i feel like this is that [TS]

01:06:16   this is my back door into the United [TS]

01:06:18   States Senate right I didn't go to Yale [TS]

01:06:20   like I should have I didn't start doing [TS]

01:06:23   stand-up comedy when I was 12 I didn't [TS]

01:06:27   even really graduate from college [TS]

01:06:28   technically on a technicality [TS]

01:06:31   and so and I was never a Navy SEAL nor [TS]

01:06:34   have i been as far as anyone knows up a [TS]

01:06:38   spook or a member of an intelligence [TS]

01:06:41   organization how am I going to get into [TS]

01:06:44   the US Senate and I think the way to do [TS]

01:06:47   it is through the seattle city council [TS]

01:06:48   write down a zipline and supplying your [TS]

01:06:51   way into the Senate that's right i'm [TS]

01:06:53   gonna be mr. zip line that's how they're [TS]

01:06:56   gonna that's how they're gonna know me [TS]

01:06:57   and then I get into the Senate and then [TS]

01:06:59   then Elon Musk can I are gonna make us a [TS]

01:07:04   high speed underground super train that [TS]

01:07:08   runs on angel tears and and where will [TS]

01:07:14   all be living in paradise [TS]

01:07:16   we're going to mind the garbage dumps [TS]

01:07:19   from underground all that is innovation [TS]

01:07:23   and we'll build what will protect the [TS]

01:07:25   parks that are up above by means of a [TS]

01:07:31   kind of a superstructure manufactured by [TS]

01:07:34   the Riblet company creating jobs [TS]

01:07:39   creating jobs and also recycling but [TS]

01:07:43   you're bringing also you're bringing [TS]

01:07:44   back big ideas [TS]

01:07:45   this is a city that loves a big idea [TS]

01:07:48   yeah you know and and obviously it's a [TS]

01:07:50   country that in the fullness of time [TS]

01:07:52   we'll have to put up with a lot of big [TS]

01:07:53   ideas [TS]

01:07:54   well that's right that's right i mean [TS]

01:07:56   you should that Elon Musk I think you're [TS]

01:07:59   giving him a pass these days we should [TS]

01:08:00   really should find out more about that [TS]

01:08:02   guy because he might he might be a [TS]

01:08:04   nemesis I feel I feel like you on musk [TS]

01:08:07   Elon Musk has because I don't know [TS]

01:08:09   anything about Elon Musk accept his name [TS]

01:08:11   is Elon Musk and he makes these cars [TS]

01:08:13   actually what I know I know about the [TS]

01:08:14   tube [TS]

01:08:15   I know all of his cars catch on fire is [TS]

01:08:17   catching on fire on fire [TS]

01:08:20   didn't he make the the spaceship that [TS]

01:08:22   looks like it's made out of bubbles made [TS]

01:08:25   a bubble spaceship back Michael Michael [TS]

01:08:27   York but i think he invented invented [TS]

01:08:29   microsoft and he's got ya its cars blow [TS]

01:08:35   up and he wants to make a tube and [TS]

01:08:36   telling it impossible to shoot people [TS]

01:08:39   through right implausible tube [TS]

01:08:40   impossible tube well see an implausible [TS]

01:08:43   tube [TS]

01:08:44   yeah I really like implausible tube s4 [TS]

01:08:47   great like the first record he's gonna [TS]

01:08:48   be approaching you he's gonna see this I [TS]

01:08:50   don't beat the zipline thing to death I [TS]

01:08:52   we have a zipline our yard and I love [TS]

01:08:53   you I got rights easy see it's really [TS]

01:08:56   it's a boy at feeling [TS]

01:08:57   here's the problem with zip lines [TS]

01:08:59   they're all too short because ziplines [TS]

01:09:03   now are regarded as something to put in [TS]

01:09:05   a child's play structure but when I was [TS]

01:09:08   a kid when I was in the Civil Air Patrol [TS]

01:09:09   and I went to civil air patrol [TS]

01:09:12   encampment on Eielson Air Force Base [TS]

01:09:16   they trained us on a zipline that they [TS]

01:09:19   that was like you hooked a carabiner [TS]

01:09:21   onto a rope and they pushed you off a [TS]

01:09:23   clip and you zipline to over a river [TS]

01:09:28   give me photos of that I think I do [TS]

01:09:31   think about it for a minute think about [TS]

01:09:33   a photo of java very young John Roderick [TS]

01:09:36   in uniform in serve in the service of [TS]

01:09:39   his country going to zipline that's what [TS]

01:09:41   that's going to look real good on [TS]

01:09:42   kiro-tv oh my god that's right that's [TS]

01:09:45   good well you know what that's gonna be [TS]

01:09:46   like the cover of my my little brochure [TS]

01:09:48   that I hand out to people when i go on [TS]

01:09:50   my door to door campaign here and that's [TS]

01:09:52   what legacy of service [TS]

01:09:53   ding dong hi are you interested in zip [TS]

01:09:57   lines don't say no I don't think you've [TS]

01:10:01   thought about we really too i feel like [TS]

01:10:04   i feel like in the old days they put you [TS]

01:10:07   on a zip line that was an actual risk [TS]

01:10:09   like a threat to your life and yeah yeah [TS]

01:10:13   that was a big part of what made me a [TS]

01:10:15   man alternatives to quote a panel from a [TS]

01:10:17   comic I like you don't fly a rocket [TS]

01:10:19   you're right it that's the thing about a [TS]

01:10:20   zipline you get on that thing and you [TS]

01:10:22   just your only chance is to a hold on [TS]

01:10:24   and then be get off at the right time [TS]

01:10:27   exactly no brakes on a zip line but you [TS]

01:10:29   can actually science there are no stops [TS]

01:10:31   on a zipline I was wondering about that [TS]

01:10:34   for Seattle program I don't screw things [TS]

01:10:36   up but is there a way that you could [TS]

01:10:37   maybe have like a way station where you [TS]

01:10:39   like you go part of the way because the [TS]

01:10:41   amount of velocity between capitol hill [TS]

01:10:43   and I place it seems like that kid we [TS]

01:10:45   should calculate that cuz i could [TS]

01:10:46   probably get pretty pretty we should ask [TS]

01:10:48   our friend dr. dragging the engineer to [TS]

01:10:49   calculate this because i have a feeling [TS]

01:10:50   you'd be moving pretty quickly by the [TS]

01:10:52   time you get to the fish [TS]

01:10:53   yeah you would but yeah I think you [TS]

01:10:55   could put I think you could put some [TS]

01:10:56   area [TS]

01:10:57   where there was more friction in the [TS]

01:10:58   line so that it kind of slowed its load [TS]

01:11:01   your your tempo like the other way the [TS]

01:11:04   the streetcars work here right exactly a [TS]

01:11:06   little friction but listen seattle is [TS]

01:11:09   famous for a total boondoggle projects [TS]

01:11:14   like this have a monorail thing going at [TS]

01:11:16   one point the monitor we do we have a [TS]

01:11:18   monorail and in fact I wrote the [TS]

01:11:19   monorail yesterday as unlikely as that [TS]

01:11:22   sounds and we got to the Seattle Center [TS]

01:11:25   the monorail goes from them the westlake [TS]

01:11:28   center which is the mall downtown to the [TS]

01:11:30   Seattle Center which is basically the [TS]

01:11:32   space needle and the EMP and we got off [TS]

01:11:35   the train and there was a there was a [TS]

01:11:36   man there with his family and it was a [TS]

01:11:39   it was a white guy who had married a a [TS]

01:11:42   woman from taiwan and so it was him her [TS]

01:11:48   and then her mother and I think maybe [TS]

01:11:51   her grandmother and their little boy [TS]

01:11:55   so it's a kind of a big crowd and he was [TS]

01:11:57   from Australia and we get off the train [TS]

01:12:02   and he says excuse me [TS]

01:12:03   he wants to talk to me and I turn [TS]

01:12:05   because that's what I do when someone [TS]

01:12:07   hails me and he said we got we got on [TS]

01:12:11   the train going the wrong way and we [TS]

01:12:13   wanted to go to the pike place market [TS]

01:12:14   where do we catch the train to the pike [TS]

01:12:18   place market and I said funny thing this [TS]

01:12:23   train only goes to places you got on at [TS]

01:12:26   stop a and you went to stop be the only [TS]

01:12:29   thing to do now is get back on and go [TS]

01:12:32   back to stop a and then walk to the pike [TS]

01:12:35   place market and he was like huh [TS]

01:12:38   and the whole family kind of went huh [TS]

01:12:41   Johnson that that story make you happy [TS]

01:12:43   if you'd be very unhappy [TS]

01:12:45   ok and that that man his family that [TS]

01:12:46   immigrant that hard-working immigrant [TS]

01:12:48   who came to america only discovered that [TS]

01:12:50   this only goes to two places and you've [TS]

01:12:51   been to both he seemed happy was his [TS]

01:12:53   impression of Seattle higher after [TS]

01:12:55   learning that there's a two-point [TS]

01:12:56   monorail now he said to himself he was [TS]

01:12:59   in his space [TS]

01:13:00   you people are dealings [TS]

01:13:02   this is a guy saying John this is [TS]

01:13:03   exactly the kind of story that you [TS]

01:13:05   should be telling when you're on the [TS]

01:13:06   stump and so we decided at some point [TS]

01:13:09   where we initially decided this 50 years [TS]

01:13:12   ago that Seattle need a subway even [TS]

01:13:14   though Seattle doesn't need a subway [TS]

01:13:16   well Seattle 60 years ago took all of [TS]

01:13:19   our trolleys and cable cars out for 70 [TS]

01:13:22   years ago and then immediately started [TS]

01:13:25   thinking like what we really need is a [TS]

01:13:26   subway [TS]

01:13:27   it's like mmm no we don't need a subway [TS]

01:13:31   and what we need is a efficient and good [TS]

01:13:35   public transit system based on zip lines [TS]

01:13:38   and gondolas but you know I I was too [TS]

01:13:41   young at the time to make that case [TS]

01:13:43   anyway we're building a subway right now [TS]

01:13:45   huge that is so expensive a huge booty [TS]

01:13:48   call it is billions of dollars and it's [TS]

01:13:51   basically like the BART system in san [TS]

01:13:53   francisco when it originally opened like [TS]

01:13:56   the BART system had what three stops it [TS]

01:13:59   was one tube and it went from point A to [TS]

01:14:02   point B to Point C this this is going to [TS]

01:14:05   be that it's going to you can get on in [TS]

01:14:07   the university district it has one stop [TS]

01:14:10   on capitol hill and then it goes to [TS]

01:14:14   downtown and connects to the light rail [TS]

01:14:18   that goes out to the airport river but [TS]

01:14:19   between those like the majority of the [TS]

01:14:21   people in the city live between downtown [TS]

01:14:23   and and the university district and [TS]

01:14:27   there is one stop between those two [TS]

01:14:29   places because one stop that is that is [TS]

01:14:32   served by a high-speed elevator because [TS]

01:14:34   at that point the train is going to be [TS]

01:14:35   so deep underground that you cannot [TS]

01:14:38   access it except by getting on an [TS]

01:14:40   elevator with other creeps and [TS]

01:14:44   plummeting like my mom said when she [TS]

01:14:47   read this plan in the newspaper she was [TS]

01:14:48   like I will never get on that fucking [TS]

01:14:50   thing or you can i'm not even a [TS]

01:14:51   claustrophobic person and the whole idea [TS]

01:14:53   of that sounds so inconvenient [TS]

01:14:57   yeah and claustrophobic that I would [TS]

01:14:58   just lose my mind even trying to get on [TS]

01:14:59   ya its 2,000 feet underground and the [TS]

01:15:02   only way to get there to get on an [TS]

01:15:03   ethical fader high-speed elevator like [TS]

01:15:06   okay picture yourself it's 1130 at night [TS]

01:15:09   and you're waiting for an elevator on [TS]

01:15:12   the apartment street [TS]

01:15:14   to take you to the center of the earth [TS]

01:15:16   you can also learn from what's going on [TS]

01:15:19   to go one stop and this is the plan and [TS]

01:15:23   this is their billions being spent on [TS]

01:15:24   this they are basically grinding up the [TS]

01:15:26   bones of poor people to pay for this and [TS]

01:15:29   I'm I'm like so [TS]

01:15:32   Seattle has a long long history of [TS]

01:15:34   public transit projects that only go one [TS]

01:15:36   stop and I feel like the zip line fits [TS]

01:15:39   right in with that instrument it's like [TS]

01:15:41   a Northwest mode get on here and it's a [TS]

01:15:45   it's like an insane ride but at least [TS]

01:15:48   you can breathe the air and there's no [TS]

01:15:50   one else on the you know like you don't [TS]

01:15:51   have to share its gonna come it's gonna [TS]

01:15:53   cost like two hundred dollars to make [TS]

01:15:55   you not get it was the two hundred [TS]

01:15:57   dollars to make is applied it was 15 [TS]

01:16:00   billion dollars to have a tube that's [TS]

01:16:02   half a mile under something something [TS]

01:16:04   you know what I bet it's a paul allen [TS]

01:16:05   thing that's a supervillain thing John [TS]

01:16:07   where you would get this city to make a [TS]

01:16:09   high-speed elevator that goes half a [TS]

01:16:11   mile underground to a tube [TS]

01:16:12   yeah so how you pick it up in a couple [TS]

01:16:14   years for like twenty bucks so here here [TS]

01:16:16   i am waiting for the elevator 1130 at [TS]

01:16:18   night [TS]

01:16:19   here comes here okay shuffles up next to [TS]

01:16:22   me a guy six-foot-seven who's carrying [TS]

01:16:24   14 garbage bags full of laundry and he's [TS]

01:16:28   wearing he's wearing a jacket that has [TS]

01:16:31   not taken off since 1970 and he and I [TS]

01:16:35   are going to get on this elevator [TS]

01:16:35   together and I'm going to feel safe and [TS]

01:16:37   secure as we plummet because we plummet [TS]

01:16:41   down into a into like the yeah Paul [TS]

01:16:46   Allen's secret underground rocket base [TS]

01:16:48   and we're going to go to the University [TS]

01:16:50   District one stop which would be a [TS]

01:16:53   five-minute zipline ride five-minute [TS]

01:16:56   like totally killer ass-kicking zipline [TS]

01:17:01   ride people meet those people that go [TS]

01:17:03   that travel around the world to go too [TS]

01:17:05   crazy roller coasters [TS]

01:17:07   yeah they would be the Seattle tourism [TS]

01:17:10   would would go up by half [TS]

01:17:12   justjust from those people coming and [TS]

01:17:14   the thing is once you spent 200 to 600 [TS]

01:17:16   dollars on the zipline people going to [TS]

01:17:18   be so excited they're going to realize [TS]

01:17:19   the possibilities [TS]

01:17:20   I think you're going to see a grassroots [TS]

01:17:22   campaign all over the city the entire [TS]

01:17:25   metropolitan area for [TS]

01:17:26   local lot like local ziplines just need [TS]

01:17:29   to that one little debt like that last [TS]

01:17:30   mile from this to that yeah if there was [TS]

01:17:32   a plan from my zip line and a pommel [TS]

01:17:34   lift from my house to the grocery store [TS]

01:17:37   my neighborhood would be perfect pay 200 [TS]

01:17:40   bucks for that right Ryan anything about [TS]

01:17:42   a pommel if tis come on there's hardly [TS]

01:17:44   anything to it [TS]

01:17:45   I mean you might have to you might have [TS]

01:17:48   to rent people rollerblades because I I [TS]

01:17:56   don't remember whether yeah policy [TS]

01:17:59   requires that your feet beyond the [TS]

01:18:00   ground [TS]

01:18:01   uh-huh so you would basically you would [TS]

01:18:04   get you you have you read people [TS]

01:18:06   rollerblades at the bottom of the hill [TS]

01:18:08   get him on the pommel lift it would pull [TS]

01:18:10   them up up the hill on rollerblades and [TS]

01:18:13   then make it zip line back down [TS]

01:18:15   IC right right like a little like you're [TS]

01:18:18   going this line to hold on the donald [TS]

01:18:19   duck hill like to accept the help [TS]

01:18:21   it's right on the Donald kill ya like [TS]

01:18:23   it's called I some people would call it [TS]

01:18:27   a platter lift although those people are [TS]

01:18:29   our yo-yos [TS]

01:18:32   so now you have to do is you know get [TS]

01:18:36   that guy re-elected right well I feel [TS]

01:18:40   like we probably shouldn't talk to any [TS]

01:18:42   this just going to endanger his chances [TS]

01:18:43   you having revealed so much of what the [TS]

01:18:46   what the quarters of power saying no no [TS]

01:18:48   I feel like that I feel like the mayor [TS]

01:18:49   the mayor is a good shot at it [TS]

01:18:51   I feel like if if the Challenger and [TS]

01:18:53   marie gets elected that's also fine for [TS]

01:18:55   seattle and it's good he's a nice man [TS]

01:18:57   and the thing about and and I like the [TS]

01:19:00   mayor personally and and I think that he [TS]

01:19:01   is a good mayor also but the reality is [TS]

01:19:05   as as as they have as that the different [TS]

01:19:09   factions have tried to cultivate my [TS]

01:19:13   endorsement it has what has caused me to [TS]

01:19:18   realize that I don't need anybody right [TS]

01:19:21   like I don't need anybody [TS]

01:19:22   my job consists of me sitting at this [TS]

01:19:25   desk and a and playing tetris so whoever [TS]

01:19:30   is it the mayor of Seattle like like it [TS]

01:19:34   could be Leon Trotsky [TS]

01:19:37   that I would be fine because i don't i'm [TS]

01:19:39   not i'm not trying to make a I'm not [TS]

01:19:42   trying to make like a coalition with [TS]

01:19:43   anybody right now because i haven't [TS]

01:19:46   revealed my plan [TS]

01:19:47   mm but if Murray gets elected mayor I [TS]

01:19:50   don't think it i don't think it imperils [TS]

01:19:53   my chances to run for the City Council [TS]

01:19:54   at all in fact i think a lot of these [TS]

01:19:56   people who used to be working for the [TS]

01:19:58   mayor are gonna be looking for a new guy [TS]

01:20:00   to get behind and if the mirror where it [TS]

01:20:04   gets gets elected or re-elected then you [TS]

01:20:07   know I'm I've gotta get like a vontade [TS]

01:20:10   of the corridors of power who and I can [TS]

01:20:14   start i can start putting my plan into [TS]

01:20:16   action [TS]

01:20:18   I mean and let me just say the ziplines [TS]

01:20:20   the palm lives are just the beginning [TS]

01:20:22   but i can only imagine i think but the [TS]

01:20:26   thing is that would be that would be a [TS]

01:20:27   hit the kids would love it [TS]

01:20:28   the rock-and-roll dads would like it [TS]

01:20:30   every everybody would appreciate what [TS]

01:20:32   it's doing for the city and it would [TS]

01:20:33   really soften them up my god it would be [TS]

01:20:36   so amazing community will call it would [TS]

01:20:38   cost less than like you know a one-day [TS]

01:20:40   of light bulbs at City Hall I'm trying [TS]

01:20:44   I'm trying to figure out how much it [TS]

01:20:45   cost to actually build a palm lift and I [TS]

01:20:47   don't think it's that much over [TS]

01:20:49   um and even if you count the rollerblade [TS]

01:20:54   rentals [TS]

01:20:56   yeah it's oh my God look at this look at [TS]

01:21:00   this look at this public company they [TS]

01:21:02   have they also make giant wheels and [TS]

01:21:09   what trying to which michael its Ferris [TS]

01:21:14   wheels [TS]

01:21:15   oh are you kidding me they make comments [TS]

01:21:17   and Ferris wheels and gondolas and he [TS]

01:21:20   need to start taking some meetings my [TS]

01:21:22   friend and uh whatwhat's the and the [TS]

01:21:26   flubber costums summer drinks then make [TS]

01:21:34   super gardens and represents they make [TS]

01:21:37   what is the what is the that the the [TS]

01:21:42   train on an incline track I why am I [TS]

01:21:45   forgetting this now a European uphill [TS]

01:21:47   train on Oprah [TS]

01:21:49   it's got a great name and I'll and it's [TS]

01:21:51   thats its somebody but many many people [TS]

01:21:54   who are listening to this podcast are [TS]

01:21:55   yelling the name at us right now we [TS]

01:21:59   really doing this and we still talking [TS]

01:22:02   about this and it is it is very annoying [TS]

01:22:07   to me when i get to be so old that I [TS]

01:22:10   cannot remember the name of the [TS]

01:22:14   funicular ah so mad concealer so this [TS]

01:22:20   company that makes palma lips and [TS]

01:22:22   merry-go-rounds and roller coasters and [TS]

01:22:24   Zippy's links also extracurriculars [TS]

01:22:27   I think you should get pine all any mode [TS]

01:22:31   of transit that has a funny name [TS]

01:22:33   subway subway is not a fun name element [TS]

01:22:35   is there a funnier name than a funicular [TS]

01:22:37   people know and Seattle why Seattle [TS]

01:22:40   doesn't have funiculars all over the [TS]

01:22:42   place [TS]

01:22:42   there's a funicular in in in Lisbon [TS]

01:22:46   there's a there are many all of these [TS]

01:22:49   are handsome John look at that [TS]

01:22:51   oh yeah this is very old-world it's [TS]

01:22:54   there they're all over the place i have [TS]

01:22:55   written many many funiculars around the [TS]

01:22:57   world why to seattle not have a fucking [TS]

01:22:59   funicular it's frankly it's embarrassing [TS]

01:23:02   we should have dozens of funicular [TS]

01:23:04   you've got you got Soundgarden's van in [TS]

01:23:07   a building somewhere [TS]

01:23:08   yeah right Soundgarden's man and Chris [TS]

01:23:10   blues shoes spray-painted gold are in a [TS]

01:23:13   museum and we don't have a funicular not [TS]

01:23:16   a funicular insight it's it is it's a [TS]

01:23:18   travesty and when I'm elected to the [TS]

01:23:19   city council it's all going to change [TS]

01:23:21   starts at the little train i'm gonna [TS]

01:23:25   have an open-door policy and i'm going [TS]

01:23:27   to have an open trench coat policy [TS]

01:23:32   your bells across the room now now my [TS]