Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► I John I Berlin oh no yeah no yeah I'm [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► sick [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► you sound he sounded like so sick you [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► like make-believe sick [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► yeah I be playing it up a little bit [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► kind it's awful but this is these are [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► the first words I have spoken all day oh [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► John sorry you have to this and now you [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► owe ya [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► now you're feeling better I feel much [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► better John I think you're susceptible [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► is acceptable [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► I i feel like the Northwest has a lot of [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► spores and I'm vulnerable to spores I [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► think anywhere there's virgin see there [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► shall be spores [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► mhm it's like somebody set off a guy a [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► bob it's like Spock set off a guy bob [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► except that sub of scores on route be [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► you you sound like like I don't like [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► Mason Reese and commercial robots haha [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► haha by bologna has a first David's osca [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► or what he's doing he's probably a [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► junkie [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► it's probably a junkie is probably I [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► want to help you John what I want to [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► cradle your giant head he probably lived [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► in a pug pad this is a door of all I [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► though why is there not a John Roderick [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► babies outside haha but there should be [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► there should be items i'm a huge baby [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► when i'm sick too [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► yeah who also be in the nursery with [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► India think oh I'm up I'm up babies I [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► feel like really kind of kick that off [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► yeah I didn't like them but i think that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► i think that mel brooks and Marlo Thomas [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► should be in the in the in the little [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► babies [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► no I'm just born I'm a baby but I [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► definitely a girl is that boy yeah [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► there's and girls don't I so I open two [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► cans [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► progressive chicken noodle soup today [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► and i ate the soup and I left the [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► noodles in the bowl because I've got any [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► carbohydrates you are born again hard [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► yeah but I diets shouldn't do this John [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► this is gonna be too much of a strain on [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► you no no it's good i did the [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► socialization when did you realize [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► you're getting sick [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► well so the the band has been rehearsing [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► and it's been a long time since we used [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► our practice space and it has become [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► damn and so the first the first day we [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► were there I was like oh is that mildew [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► smell ya I gotta get the dehumidifier [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► but that's hard to find dehumidifiers I [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► i have looked when I was a kid that was [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► weak you know ye air conditioning yeah [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► you can always count on you have to have [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► a dehumidifier and a little thing with [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► Phyllis water is very reassuring you [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► dump it out [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► yeah it out about the sticky water [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► that's in the air and it is NH green [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► stance if I got in there [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► 4444 every 50 humidifiers there is what [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► dehumidifier but I think I five I found [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► what the other day I think I found [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► whether it's its operating down [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► it's like it's a humidifier dehumidifier [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► which which ad I'm suspicious of [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► extremely suspicious of that you know [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► pick one exactly like she can't what [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► and they would it's time to humidify you [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► just put the same sticky spore water [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► back at the air you pick up like an oven [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► / refrigerator [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► I mean I'll double it so anyway I d [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► better flight but it but it was too late [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► for B and I was hoping I honestly was [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► hoping that that that now that i'm not [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► eating carbohydrates that I had would [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► have suddenly developed super immunity [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► to disease that all by health problems [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► at all my mental health problems were [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► all just a product of eating sugar [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► but in fact up just that's probably the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► sugar was even a bulwark against no no [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► here's the thing you don't know you you [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► might have been it might be that you [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► should have gotten way sicker way center [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► oh you do all the right things I want to [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► talk about talk to hydrogen peroxide a [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► little at some point you can bathe a lot [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► you use a lot of hydrogen peroxide you [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► doing everything right you cut off the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► noodles [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► hmm and no more noodles same moon so [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► you're I your herzing yeah well you know [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► back in the old days the punk-rock days [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► when the junkies that I knew couldn't [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► find Mara heroin and they couldn't get [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► methadone on the street from junkies [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► that were getting methadone and then [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► selling it [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► what they would their third line of [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► defense was theraflu and all the heroin [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► addicts that appear in seattle at least [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► that I knew would get theraflu to help [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► them with their sickness restart it when [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► they couldn't get drugs no they would [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► take it as to prescribe they would drink [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► the hot mugs of theraflu and they were [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► like it's just like heroin it's just I [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► mean it's not quite as good as heroin [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► but it's it'll do in a pinch [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► which is why i never used to take their [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► flu but now I'm feel like end times i [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► have really mixed feelings about it [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► because when i was a kid i was trying [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► minocin kid learning member was in that [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► but I mean I think there's great flavor [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► grope you what my head those yucky [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► tasting big yellow pills and the the [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► have half a grown-up one or whatever but [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► you know the thing is like their flu all [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► its really doing is for stalling the [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► game itself it's stopping you up [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► yep you think is any benefit to just [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► sitting with your pain and suffering [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► through it i mean you can make there are [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► some people i think i'm getting as I [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► think there are some people who believe [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► they can take something like a theraflu [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► it may not make it worse but you're not [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► getting the poison [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► yeah I believe that and I've spent the [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► last 20 years not taking medicine of any [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► kind not even aspirin but lately I have [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► grown soft particularly when I am [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► looking forward to doing a podcast with [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► remember i'm going to take some theraflu [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► stand flavor here this is you your [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► Viking well you know you gotta gotta get [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► up and get your get your stuff taken [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► care of [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► easy for me is you this are kicking my [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► ass kicked you know I was like I gotta [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► how do you lose it you know my daughter [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► is good well she's good at you know and [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► I play hard [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► yeah well you know is a game for French [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► trains huh [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► like its best played on the train in [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► France that's my contention if you're [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► playing in an apartment in San Francisco [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► it's only half the story we can begin [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► make believe it's a train now what about [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► the board's boys is one of those games i [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► feel like we talked about this before we [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► gain kid in general no but we definitely [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► played Melbourne's because it was [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► because in junior high school my French [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► teacher mrs. LZ did not speak French had [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► been to France on her honeymoon or 630 [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► sounds insufferable to manage to go home [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► damn way where diamonds II and no she [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► didn't speak French I as far as i can [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► tell and it was 78 great friendship that [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► we never spoke French in class but we [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► did do things like play Milbourne and [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► watch the red balloon which only has one [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► word in it with what the hell kind of [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► school you're going to [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► but all that all uh was going to [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► Anchorage public schools and I took [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► French instead of shop because my [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► parents were adhering to a nineteen [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► forties idea of what was important in [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► life and if I took French then i would [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► go to Yale and I would be the ambassador [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► to Yugoslavia and if i took shop then I [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► would be I would wear a pack of [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► cigarettes rolled up in my white the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► sleeve of my white t-shirt and have a [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► duck's ass haircut and and drive around [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► town a jalopy getting in fights with the [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► cops and so now having taken i took in [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► my whole life I think I probably took [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► six years of friends [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► and I I regret every minute of it [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► why well just because it's not as useful [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► as making a lamp or yeah that's six [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► years of small engine repair that I that [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► I for went you know what I mean if I had [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► started and if i had started taking like [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► a lawnmower repair when I was in seventh [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► grade I'd be mighty Elon Musk right now [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► building a spaceship the spacecraft her [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► I'd be able to build super training on [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► my own without any help from anybody but [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► instead I'm sitting here you know and [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► planning on it [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► I have forgotten how to conjugate all [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► but like the basic five verbs and I I [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► know just enough French to solve the new [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► york times sunday crossword puzzle right [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► that you i'm just guessing if we drop [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► you somewhere French you could take it [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► right back up [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► well that's true but you know if you [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► drop me somewhere feet you know if you [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► drop me in Saudi Arabia i would probably [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► pick up Arabic pretty fast too without [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► the six years it's Arabic I didn't take [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► I don't know you know my feeling about [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► foreign language it is that it is [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► learning foreign languages mostly [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► unnecessary and unnecessary that's just [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► for english-speaking people ask him [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► yeah well yeah exactly if you're if you [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► speaking for them to learn our lines [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► America fucking speak English yet but [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► there but no of it you want to be a [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► world traveler you go out there you [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► figured out you just speak just learn to [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► talk a little bit louder and wave your [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► arms around that helps a lot all right [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► or wrong way the trains a softer and get [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► it get it close get right up right up on [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► him and just like let your eyes do the [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► talking [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► I felt old a few weeks ago because you [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► know my daughter's in in regular school [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► now and then what you going to regular [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► school your delusion with all these [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► offers of other things that you can do [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► she's taking an engineering course right [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► now she's getting off and all these [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► things that she's doing soccer you know [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► pretty soon he's gonna be one of those [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► annoying overschedule kids one things [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► she could take Mandarin at the age of [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► five [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► and I was of two minds because now I'm [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► of that age where everybody said look [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► learn spanish because you learn spanish [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► you can learn Spanish in afternoon [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► basically most of what you need to learn [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► spanish you can learn over a weekend [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► yeah and all the verb the letters always [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► sound the same if you get a pronunciar [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► seoane correct one day soon you will be [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► reading anything pretty much write [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► spanish and then we said you know this [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► is this is the growing you know language [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► vertical pretty mucho mucho ya frito [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Bandito pick up and allowed to play a [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► playa [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► yeah that's all I ever that's all the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► spanish i repeated she comes to mind [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► said I was taken aback a little bit and [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► then I remembered that that's a growing [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► economy now if you were gonna learn the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► Chinese would you learn Mandarin if you [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► believe in the movie looper you believe [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► in the future world created and i [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► believe the movie looper everybody's [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► living in china in in future times and [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► my feeling my feeling about it is it's [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► Hong Kong is that where he goes no I [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► think he's in the I think he's in [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► Shanghai Shanghai the city of the future [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► yeah a.m. pacific rim all the girls go [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► to a hong kong so I i guess i'm saying [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► is based on movies it seems like we [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► should learn something Chinese well so [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► my feeling about my own daughter [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► you know i don't know if you knew this [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► but when I was a little kid till I was [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► two years old or three years old and a [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► Japanese Naomi and she and her husband [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► both live with us [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► this was back when this was back in the [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► late sixties when before japan was an [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► industrial powerhouse when Japanese [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► people would still come to America and [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► act as nannies instead of instead of as [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► industrial production design corporate [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► masters from ya coaches and tutors the [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► ad there they were my nanny and I was [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► like learning japanese as a little kid [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► and then they got deported because they [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► were here on student pieces and we [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► didn't have the my parents didn't have [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► the power to [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► keep them in the country because that [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► you know their fortunes have fallen by [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► that point politically so I lost my [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► opportunity to grow up speaking Japanese [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► I would love speaking Japanese I know [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► Anna and and and I'm still angry about [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► it i'm angry at the nation of Japan and [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► I'm angry at that at-bat American [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► government i'm going to crush them both [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► when I become a supervillain I don't [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► blame you did when I was didn't pull an [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► uncle jack or anything there's no nobody [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► could have stepped in it was you know [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► like that whole whole student visa [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► working on a student visa overstay your [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► student visa that's just one of those [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► like everybody gets busted for that [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► right how many politicians have gotten [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► busted because their nannies working [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► under the table it's like the backdoor [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► bust white people for their for their [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► honored privilege there are reflected [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► privilege but in any case my feeling [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► about about my own little girl is that i [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► am going to sign her up for karate [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► lessons at a young age for the for the [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► following reasons [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► karate is no longer even a fashionable [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► martial art and martial arts are an [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► extremely nerdy thing for a person to [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► pursue in high school or junior higher [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► grade school I mean grade school I guess [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► it's probably pretty cool there's a [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► certain moment where if you are studying [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► martial arts you are just automatically [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► relegated to the dungeons and dragons [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► room and it off of the band room in your [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► high school at lunchtime you know like [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► you don't walk around in those toe shoes [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► for long before you get branded a [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► outlier so i'm i'm trying to try to [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► Shepherd my daughter through these [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► difficult teenage years by casting her [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► in iron as a nerd early on by forcing [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► her to take martial arts not forcing but [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► like it's pointing sukiyaki you get in [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► there early to give her something she's [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► gonna have to fight about em and you [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► should be good to go so I get her into [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► martial arts when it seems like it's [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► just a fun exercise you know like [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► exercise game [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► and then when she's you know 14 years [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► old and develops a bosom she's just [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► wearing a those kendo garmin's and you [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► know the cheerleaders don't want her at [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► the party or whatever and then later on [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► when she's 24 [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► all that suffering through high school [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► of being like a nerdy martial arts [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► outcast and then at 24 she'll be like [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► should be a total should be like [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► scarlett johansson in that avengers [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► yeah well i mean it's it's a brilliant [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► plan because it has built-in [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► consequences as you say you will make [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► her energy will make her an outcast [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► you'll have her but she's also gonna get [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► self-confidence [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► she's not gonna care that she's an [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► outcast and it's not a perfect way to [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► enter she's going to be chopping boards [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► and have and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► find her karate teacher who will always [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► speak to her in Japanese so will they [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► will double thread it [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► well it's triple threat nerd nerd um [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► protects you in high school [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► this is this is this is counter to what [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► we always think of nerd them that nerdy [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► museum is a albatross and high school [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► but in fact it protects you [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► that's the kind of inoculation you're [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► given her a little bit of the the cowpox [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► she won't get cowpox later [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► exactly you inoculate them with nerdy [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► wouldn't dirty minds pursuits not like [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► you and it's interesting because you're [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► not saying like oh you know you're going [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► to teach you to be into magic the [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► gathering or something that's just you [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► know never be retarded remind our [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► listeners that John is sick he's not in [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► his right mind right now na Jeong said [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► that oh it's a what it's a wonderful [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► it's a wonderful kind of like there's [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► nothing intrinsically nerdy about [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► martial arts they are that they are like [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► globally and hard work hard and it's [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► fantastic and it had comes with all the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► attendant like Buddhism but I barely [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► understand we get you can eat discipline [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► like things kindergarten my daughter [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► goes to school for how many hours a day [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► to learn how to follow orders [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► that's what kindergarten is learning to [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► sit still learning to you know everyone [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► yeah and to not hit people [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► and stuff like that but I mean we aren't [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► she took a few weeks of weight we want [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► Marshall we want num don't know it was a [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► pretty generic version of you know Jay [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► random karate she took but it was she [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► did it for a few weeks and it was pretty [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► impressive i mean if you got a schedule [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► you got to be respectful you you guys [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► it's got all this stuff to it that I [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► could never give her right so really I'm [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► more than happy to get the timing was a [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► terrible time a day I don't know how you [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► schedule anything for a child at [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► three-thirty p.m. i'm tired she's tired [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► no one wants to make karate at [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► three-thirty so it's my problem i broked [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► anyone sit there and watch you do it but [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► but no but I you know I want to eat your [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► young I wanted to go and learn some kind [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► of really cool you know mostly hand and [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► foot like kung foo that's what i would [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► like that because it's cool to it looks [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► taekwondo you can literally break [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► everybody's bones but doesn't look [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► nearly as cool as country I wanted to [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► look cool even if it's nerdy eventually [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► when she's wearing her dojo to the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► singles bar and somebody comes up in [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► remarks are big boobies she can break [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► exactly a specific bone in somebody's [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► hand and still not not drop to drink [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► yeah you know I really that's not that's [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► the thing you know it's like you get [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► into inches behind the board to be able [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► to do that and she's got she's gonna [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► have a whole lifetime behind that ship [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► that will pay her back forever [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► this is what I'm saying what if she's [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► ever buried alive in a coffin [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► okay I'm listening does she sit there [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► and scream and claw the coffin lid until [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► she runs out of breath or does she put [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► her hand against the lid of the coffin [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► and gradually make a fist and punch in a [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► very small amount of space until she has [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► punched through the lid of the confident [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► dug yourself out [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► I think this is a very interesting [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► scenario i must tell you because first [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► of all educational levels to this level [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► number one if you're buried alive or you [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► can talk about this I really don't like [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► talking about being buried but I think [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► for the sake of this podcast we can do [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► about locked in a closet we do that [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► how is it on the ground floor yeah there [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► might be people coming by [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► by the end of the day yeah alright we [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► can talk about that if it's a basement [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► closet I don't want to talk about it i [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► find it very implausible when people [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► don't initially panic in a movie I think [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► everyone pretty much everyone should [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► initially panic in a situation like that [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► when they don't have a little bit [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► suspicious unless they're matt damon [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► right yeah you're right sure he doesn't [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► put the cold as ice [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► keep it then here's the thing i'm also i [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► find it equally implausible if people [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► have not explored every square [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► centimeter of the space to try and find [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► a trapdoor some kind of a lever a [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► painting that they could move possibly a [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► bust [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► I think you should be looking front and [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► when people don't do that i'm a little [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► surprised you know thing is what your [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► daughter is going to have and I wish to [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► God my daughter would have if God forbid [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► she's ever buried alive is that [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► understanding that you just might be [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► able to get out of this right if you [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► remember your training [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► yeah you really should keep your head [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► about you and then get a lot of energy [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► because the end now here's the next [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► level though what if she hits it [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► I don't freak out here what if he hits [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► it and then six feet of dirt cover her [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► up and she don't have the question of [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► the coffin anymore [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► well then speed the collapse you know I [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► mean like if you're going to die of [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► being buried alive [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► let's get it over with and not have that [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► the four hours of ripping your [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► fingernails off [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► yes trying to claw your way out of a [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► coffin let's just have dirty with the [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► right amount of training you could do it [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► for six to eight hours probably house [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► yeah but you know here's the other thing [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► i think based on you know I based on [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► what I know about villains is the most [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► of them have a built-in hubris just [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► stupid to get a little bit showy right [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► there's a walkie-talkie our camera [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► involved and they find some way to game [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► it so i think also you might want to [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► show her lot obviously when she's ready [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► to show her enough movies so that she [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► knows how she might be able to take in [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► turn it and flip the villain to their [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► side maybe end up with them in the [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► coffin instead well see what I'm what [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► I'm counting on [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► is that hurts part of her backstory is [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that her father at some point turns to [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the Stars your daughter this is my [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► daughter get that her father becomes a [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► supervillain [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► and you know what supervillain who who [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► believes that he is acting on the acting [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► in the cause of justice and right but he [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► becomes a madman and then thats that's [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► like something that's informing her her [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► character arc because she's you know she [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► has all these powers but she just wants [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► to live as a normal person she wants to [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► shoot just want everybody to know that [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► her last name is roderick because that's [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► the name that lives in infamy in her [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► world I wouldn't it be like her like an [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► Indian like magneto or something [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► exactly so she just wants to go to a [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► regular college magneto wits and not [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► users not use your special power she [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► puts on glasses and put your hair up in [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► a bun because she's just a just a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► regular nurse just another quote unquote [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► library science student at you that's [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► right just starting her freshman year [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► until her father's yeah the forefathers [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► that minions and sworn enemies and start [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► another battle for the future of Earth [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► blah blah etcetera etcetera but i wanted [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► to be ready [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► yeah you know one problem is if you [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► become too successful [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► you know you look at all these stories [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► you know where where where the the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► parent is extremely successful I mean [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► ask Frank Frank Sinatra jr. was he a [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► happy guy knows because his dad was was [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► a dykon-- and really successful as being [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► Crosby's kids how they felt well their [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► dad was a dick and he was really [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► successful I think if you were to really [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► focus on becoming a tragic character you [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► could do a lot for your daughter you [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► give her something to fight for [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► right well he's not gonna fight for you [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► if you're like you know when in a wing [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► grammys and stuff yeah this is the pygmy [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► I don't want my kids to be Bing Crosby's [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► kid you know you want your kid to be [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► Bing Crosby and what mistakes that big [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► Crosby's father make those are the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► mistakes that I'm trying to emulate yeah [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► and now i see you want to be Bing Crosby [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► senior yeah exactly i don't i don't want [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► I don't want my daughter to end up being [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► Nancy Sinatra right that's no that's no [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► way to go [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah that was not next to his kids [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► yeah you know he and I lived in the same [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► door huh not continuously yeah right [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► separated by 50 years [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► Gonzaga zag yeah he's a he's a good egg [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► alum and famously famously got kicked [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► out of Gonzaga for being a discipline [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► problem and now they have a statue of [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► him in front of the library [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► well so I was also kicked out of Gonzaga [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► or just ask you where's my fucking [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► statue UK with the belt I mean no [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► offense but you know maybe that's maybe [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► they were looking for a turnaround maybe [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► they're looking for a little more [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► decisiveness yeah I feel like that i [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► feel like i need to make another [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► Christmas album i think that's what [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► really putting over-the-top need to make [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► a Christmas album it's not so irreverent [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► man parenting is complicated you could [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► do that again we do another holiday a [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► album that was not a lot of work [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► it was a lot of work it but it was a lot [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► of work packed into a short amount of [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► time which is the kind of work that we [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► like to do but a but you know my feeling [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► about the holidays is like like well I [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► share it with Jonathan cold this is [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► feeling of total ambivalence to the [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► holidays I was hoping to go I was hoping [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► I so I got offered a spanish tour around [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► Christmas this year right and I when I [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► looked at all the details in an email [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► back and forth with my spanish people [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► and it was it was always one of those [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► Spanish tours that had been that had [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► been designed by science to sound [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► amazing [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► and when you put all the numbers into [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► the funk but function machine and use [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► standard the other side of the function [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► machine and function machine of course [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► just has one red light on it and nobody [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► nobody like Captain Pike nobody nobody [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► is no switches and and you you said on [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► the other side of the function machine [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► you're waiting for the readout to come [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► out the other side like how this kind of [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► just all going to pencil out and it just [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► it just puts a big poop it just poops [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► you put all the be put all the numbers [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► all the money and one-sided just poops [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► no other side so the timing money States [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► passel people function machine just [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► brought out a big red poop [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► yeah and it's and it's all those things [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► line up it's just that the people who [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► represent pop music and Spain have got [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► it down to a science [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► where they know exactly how much to [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► offer you so that it feels like a [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► Sophie's Choice like they could find the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► amount of money that is just enough that [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► you feel like turning it down is crazy [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► but if you accept it you are actually [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► yeah if you accept that you actually [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► lose you know like in the end it costs [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► you money to go play for people and [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► there's I mean like can we have to think [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► of it there's not enough of an [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► inconvenience cushion that like if this [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► as inevitably happens does not go as [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► well as it seems like it well well well [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► I would be sitting there in hotelroom [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► Madrid cutting myself that I ever did [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► yeah that's exactly right what it ends [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► up being I've done enough European [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► tourists at to have had this experience [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► multiple times you're sitting in the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► airport on the way home and you are [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► looking in your money bag which at one [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► point on the two or three weeks in that [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► money bag was full of money and there [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► was a time you know one week prior when [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► you're sitting in a hotel room somewhere [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► in Zagora and your money bag was so full [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► of money that you were like I'm never [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► gonna work again i'm rich and then that [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► last week is all people showing up and [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► saying i love my friend I am the person [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► who supplied the wire that ran the [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► electricity from the building to the abs [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► and I need 1000 euros and you just pay [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► 1000 euros so many people on your way [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► out and then you're at the airport and [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► here's just a line of people that's like [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► X it's like a line of people like when [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► you're when you're leaving Downton Abbey [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► and your type all of the staff has lined [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► up but you have to give every one of [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► them a thousand euros and then you're [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► sitting in the airport you're waiting [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► for your plane and you're looking at [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► your money bag and it just has Bob's in [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► gracias Senor thank you and you're [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► thinking I'm shifted i have people to [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► pay when i get back home there were [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► people that like we got a feeling it was [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► the t-shirt guy still gotta pay him and [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► there was the that was like drop but [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► there's all the all the should i put on [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► my credit card and just like uh so in [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► the famous words of eugene mirman there [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► wasn't there used to be a time when a [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► hotel room felt like pay like getting a [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► free hotel room felt like we were [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► getting paid right and then this time [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► goes on that's that's no longer the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► feeling I'm really suspicious of [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► anything where they take care of things [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► Oh see that's it that's exactly how they [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► do business over there it's like we got [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► it all covered all you gotta do turnkey [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► right yeah yeah LOL stereo alternate [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► yafei you show up and and you just walk [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► right in your plug-in and bombing us [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► it's already and here's all the money [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► that you're gonna get it's just that all [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► of those things are taken care of by my [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► brother-in-law and his brother-in-law [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► and his brother-in-law [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► it's like the middle cheese or whatever [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► its it either like all those Pope's all [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► those Pope's that that became Pope's [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► even though they were they were [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► pederasts it's just this business a long [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► circle of brother-in-law's that keeps [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► and that's why that's why italy has had [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► 45 governments in the last 30 years and [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► its wide that's why I'm not doing this [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► spanish to her so it's well i'll talk [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► about school year but it sounds like you [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► like in the period of like what like 10 [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► days when you get like a ridiculous [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► deluge of like offers like I want to [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► pretend to fall 10 years old let's come [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► to shows here and there and it seemed [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like you had this you just turn your [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► turn your humble upside down and all [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► these kids were just following your [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► umbrella lab yeah but then you mean it [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► and it ends up that the-the-the so the [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► offers that seem like completely [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► legitimate art exactly as reliable as [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► the offers that you get on Twitter from [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► people saying come to Iowa City [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► you can stay at my house like it's [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► basically like come to Spain you can see [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► it's not legally binding [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► uh-huh so but but it's funny [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► a couple years ago I got offer that the [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► government of Iceland put together an [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► ISIL I reckon vixy at all [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► friendship committee and they were like [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► we want we want regular can Seattle to [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► be to think of each other as sister [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► cities in the world and they brought a [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► bunch of Icelandic musicians to Seattle [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► and we put on a big show where we played [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► with our Icelandic counterparts and Eric [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► course and I played some songs with this [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► guy muga ssin from from Iceland who is a [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► great guy we had a wonderful time [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► together and then the Icelandic [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► government said we want to fly you to [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► Iceland and we're going to produce do [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► the same thing in regular put on a big [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► show and it'll be a bunch of isolated [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► musicians and Seattle musicians [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► and we want you to be like the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► centerpiece of it then I said amazing of [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► course I can't wait [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► and then as the week's went by you know [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► the first thing they said was a mugen [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► can't do it because he's gonna be in [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► Scotland's mixing his record with the [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► arab strap so but we got another guy we [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► got this we got the we got the younger [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► cousin of the bass player of the side [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► project of the piano player from [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► cigarillos and he's going to be the [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► movie set for your show it was like oh [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► alright ok the inr in law [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► yeah exactly and then they're like you [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► need to send us you need to you need to [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► send us a credit card for the hotel room [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► and we're gonna pay for what we need you [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► need to send the credit card number [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► because that's that's how we do it in [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► Iceland and I was like the show is it [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► for six months they're like we have to [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► have it by tomorrow the whole thing is [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► cancelled [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► oh my christ because you because you [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► know it's iceland and this is how we do [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► business and I was like well slow down a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► little bit here like at everything's [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► going to be fine then I'm talking to a [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► little bit more they're like well so you [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► and your show are in you know you're [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► absolutely the prime spot of this [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► regular summer fast you go on at three [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► thirty in the afternoon on the on the on [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► the Nome at stage and you're right [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► before the puppet show and I was like [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► right before the puppet show really you [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► realize that is like this letter that's [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► a canonical rock-and-roll joke [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► yeah that is an american rock joke [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► puppet show and long with threat right [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► before the publication and they were [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► like they were extremely offended [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► they're like puppet shows are very [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► important part of Icelandic culture [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► sir there's like this deal is changing [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► all the time and then the guy from the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► hotel was really mad and he's like you [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► have your staying two extra days the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► festival's not paying for and you have [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► to pay for it and the and this is the [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► height of Icelandic tourist season so [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► it's 1000 kroner and night and the [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► kroner is worth the kroger on the [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► international market is worth 40 pounds [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► of mushrooms [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and 40 pounds of mushrooms is 600 [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► american dollars that's a total jam up [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► it was like a net the more emails i got [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► from Iceland the more confused i was and [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► I was like all I wanted to do was go [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► play in iceland with muga ssin and now [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► i'm playing before a puppet show with [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► the but the second cousin of the 3rd [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► bass player of cigarettes in the middle [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► of the day and I've seen some [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► documentaries about Iceland I know that [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► the best I can hope for is polite [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► applause the there's a there's a bigger [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► chance that they will just openly scoff [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► at me and noms running all over the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► place and you know how I feel about [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► gnomes and I don't like I don't like any [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► currency that I have to translate an [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► amount into mushrooms on its way to [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► dollars and so I think the mushroom [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► standard it's like this weird thing [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► where it's like that's not tied to the [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► euro it's tied to the like it's time to [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► the mushroom market and it's like I was [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► telling you can tell you okay yeah i [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► would I leave that everything I've heard [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► when i first got into the sugarcubes I [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► tried to learn just enough and i was so [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► disoriented so quickly that I i ran the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► other way it sounded like deliberately [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► confusing as a culture [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah Yeah right not delightful they [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► take care of the people but it sounds [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► completely baffling as a culture they [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► you know they harvest harvest geothermal [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► steam and turn it into magic tricks i [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► don't know i don't know how Iceland I [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► don't know anything i don't i don't [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► believe I'm not even sure that Iceland [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► Israel I there was a guy named Eric like [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► something you'd build in the window of [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► macy's that's exactly right it's a trail [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► like that has done by like like Danny [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► Elfman and charles bukowski like it just [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► it doesn't make sense [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► there was a guy in my in my ninth-grade [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► English class made Darrell who had [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► formerly lived in Iceland because his [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► father was in the Air Force and Darrell [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► said at one point that people in Iceland [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► drive at night to save gas light he said [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► that everybody in Iceland if they have [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► errands they did they wait until it's [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► night they drive at night to save gas [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► and I was like mmm i don't i don't think [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► i think this is all fake [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► I think this isn't made up and it's [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► super annoying or it's true and it's [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► super annoying [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► I think it's a reverse area 51 where the [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► where the Air Force has been telling us [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► that there's this place called iceland [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► in order to distract us from the portal [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► where the alien mother ships into the [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► center of the earth so we spend the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► afternoon googling about Iceland we go [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► we're reading wikipedia things and all [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► these apparently real quote unquote [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► articles about gonna go to Iceland [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► meanwhile over here the portal is [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► opening and closing like sauron's great [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► I that's right that's right and we're [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► not even noticing it because we are like [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► on a whale-watching whatever i'm sure [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► sounds but in any case that was the [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► first time I had ever just looked a [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► bunch of money because it was a bunch of [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► money on the surface of it like a five [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► figures money it was just yeah here's [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► here's a ton of money it's ice land [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► money but but if if it is to be believed [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► it can be transferred into american [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► money i am much but you have to pay for [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► you have to pay for these hotels and [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► there's you know and there's going to be [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► a shame surcharge as everyone discs and [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► then you have to tip the mushroom EA [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► when they are turning into dollars and I [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► pictured myself at the at the airport [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► and recollect buying like 14 Icelandic [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► sweaters i knew i was going to do it so [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► i had to factor that into the cost and [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► so I knew I was gonna it was a trip that [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► if i took it i was going to come back i [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► was going to come back with a chap tas i [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► was going to come back with no money and [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► mad and so I and I turned it down and [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► then and I still never been to Iceland [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► so much have I not been to Iceland that [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► I don't even believe it's a real country [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► but I look back at that decision and I [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► can't fault it because the did that [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► because the initial deal started going [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► sideways right away and and by that and [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► and from wall from all signs in my [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► communications with these isolated [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► people and up some of the moment was [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► talking to the like the council and the [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► ambassador's office and stuff and they [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► were talking to me this way as though it [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► were nor [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► bowl uh-huh i was like listen I'm not as [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► scared maybe and I do not I do not like [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► big bark dad about a credit card [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► don't bark at me you you little bit [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► something like that very people for your [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► attention Irv Icelandic nerve for me I [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► it's it's become so difficult for me to [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► do business with anyone because my my uh [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► Iceland are has gotten so heavily tuned [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► to like what could go wrong with [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► something because it does it sounds [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► ridiculous to say but and the problem is [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► the more of that dealing with strangers [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► about business that I that I have to do [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► and that's the thing is when you're [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► doing stuff like we do in our own ways [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► you have people that you work with and [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► god willing to work with them again and [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► even then this may not be the same [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► conditions but more often than not least [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► for me i'm working with people i've ever [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► met before [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► I'm talking about money I've never [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► gotten paid before i'm talking about [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► doing work in a place I've never been [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► before and it's all extremely [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► speculative and requires a tremendous [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► amount of at least at least [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► communication and hopefully trust right [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► and and the trust really comes mostly [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► from me because they're asking me to do [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► a thing and I i wouldn't say this if I [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► think this is true for more people then [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► they may realize and what you know [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► there's all kinds of ways that this can [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► this can happen i mean it's it's the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► basis of every scam really is like i'm [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► going to give you this thing that seems [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► either like a Spanish Lee accurate or [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► Icelandic Lee wonderful and the thing is [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► as long as you don't think about it too [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► much it's going to seem like a good gig [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► right but right away it because because [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► they had you a business card and and and [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► your trust [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► they are counting on you to trust them [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► because they have a business card that [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► says even though they've never in any [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► many years that you in the 40 whatever [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► for years you've been on earth [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► you've never gotten money from them for [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► anything ever which is not bad thing but [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► we must remember that until John has [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► gotten money from them [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► John has never got money from them this [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► is what this is what happened when i [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► worked out what i do when i played some [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► shows for Microsoft huh [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► and all of it 99-92 about their net 90 [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► they pay 30 APR three months after you [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► do it [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► yeah well and not only that but i had to [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► go through [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► the entire process of becoming a [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► Microsoft contract [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► Oh John you don't want oh no I like [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► you're like you're fucking Boeing it was [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► it was right that you're like you're [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► gonna be like a contractor [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► yeah providing like I like Ivy equipment [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► to the United States Marines yeah I had [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► to I had to walk through so it was like [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► was like walking through the Starship [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► Enterprise every door like butt into [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► Maxwell smarts the cave is just like you [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► walk through a door there's a door that [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► goes blue and you walk through the doors [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► are just like deeper and deeper into [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► antechamber one yeah that's like you [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► guys promised me this money all its [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► makes me so goddamn i really did the [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► goddamn big what am i doing and for me [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► and for me what that comes down to what [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► they really hire me for in most cases is [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► to come in and do a one-hour talk and I [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► can parse that a bunch of ways well no [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► actually it's a 1i charge like it's one [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► day because it is one day for me but you [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► know yeah sure [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► essentially you want to come in and talk [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► for 15 minutes about something that you [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► think is important but to do that it's [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► it's it's excruciating what you have to [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► go through just to do this with it like [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► don't you have petty cash around like [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► this is what you pay for like one day of [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► light bulbs in your yeah maybe at the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► stage door with an envelope so I love [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► you have to be complicated [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► okay so I'm gonna say that I'm trying to [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► get this out because i think this is [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► important to me when it comes down [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► well I guess what I would say there's [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► these i think in threes one of the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► things i think there has to be what [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► people come at you with something [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► involving some combination of time money [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► and respect or courtesy and in the best [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► situations they have lots of time to [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► work it out [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► they have a reasonable 22 excellent [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► amount of money to give you a huge [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► amount of respect and courtesy for your [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► time and for the relationship and [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► ideally you will respond in kind [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► right but you know in the worst cases [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► you get none of those which is somebody [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► calls you at the last minute and then [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► they're all pissed off because you won't [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► do it for free [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► yeah that's that's that's the bottom [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► rung but if you can work all those [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► things out and the courtesy thing [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► matters because you can tell if they [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► don't understand that you are free agent [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► on your own and that you're basically [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► you know your your and 30 guy like [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► you've got to get paid because you have [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► the people that you work for you want to [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► get paid like you've got to pay for [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► things it right there expenses [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► I don't want to buy this plane ticket [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► just because [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► you think this might be a good idea but [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► here's my thing is like I like people [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► like people who give me money I like [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► people who give me a lot of money and I [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► like people who give me a lot of money [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► more than once [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► yeah yeah those are the best people yeah [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► but you know give me money giving to [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► give it to me quickly and giving to me [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► more than once that's great [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► so the thing is that you got to have at [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► least two of those yeah you know what i [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► mean in other words i'm not putting this [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► well already but you like to be given to [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► me quickly [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► well you give it to me give it to me [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► more than once again the worst case [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► you've got somebody who you'll never [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► work with again that wants to give you [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► next to no money and it will take a long [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► time you know [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► okay so here's the thing like if we work [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► together a lot and it's a medium amount [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► of money we pay for all the time you [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► want i can wait I can wait a little bit [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► on that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► yeah you know if it's a thing is if [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► there's hardly any time involved like if [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► you want this like if you're really hot [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► to like get this thing sign that you [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► want done like next week and especially [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► if it's not a lot of money like when I [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► hang up this phone that's when it's due [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► and all the time that that's not paid [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► we're not working together and it [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► frustrates me that people don't get that [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► that their their urgency about that so [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► I'm not mean to piss and moan like you [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► know white wine about this but I think [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► it's something you know when people work [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► on their own they they put up with a lot [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► of bullshit from people who are bullies [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► and they make their entire they spend [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► their entire life doing nothing but [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► dealing with people like you and me and [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► then being bullies they painted this [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► picture of what its gonna be like to go [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► to Spain and if you actually sit there [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► and look at the details of the painting [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► it's not actually that attractive but [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► now it's your thing because you agreed [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► to do it [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► yeah and no nobody respects the [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► freelancer and nobody respects the you [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► know it's a everybody takes their cut [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► but they're all set mind the desk and [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► they're just you know they're making [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► their living taking five percent of [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► everything but but they don't they don't [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► wait for their invoices to get filled [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► you know what I mean like the money [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► comes through the month they are where [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► the money sits and waits [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► yeah and if you're a guy if your guy [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► microsoft is empowered to spend five [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► thousand eight hundred dollars on this [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► event [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► well then that's not his money back to [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► you that right is going to fill out some [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► forms and then you're going to be the [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► one who has to show up around the [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► treadmill that you [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► hours in order to get the basic form [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► that gets you the form that can see the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► forward you know that that was the gig i [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► did i've done some work with Microsoft [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► I've been on the treadmill I showed up [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► and I ran on a treadmill for two hours [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► and then they applauded and they took [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► three months to give me the check [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► ah man I was very very quick story about [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► the worst gig I never should have almost [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► taken it was like when did you take it [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► I don't understand that seductive [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► actually i'm still unsure i might still [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► be going through accounts receivable it [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► was right around the time are really [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► important like back when my book still [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► had a chance of getting me and I had a [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► draft was due and i got this impossibly [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► great offer from a major pharma company [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► in the area like basically always really [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► going to create all you have to do is [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► come out and do this talking about about [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► about it's all the typical like like [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► Merlin's greatest hits of pain because [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► it sounded like the greatest thing in [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► the world I was gonna come down there [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► and I just I knew I could feel it in my [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► god don't even keep talking to this [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► person just don't do it don't do it [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► don't do it of the million things that [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► went wrong about this and they made a [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► terrible decision for me to even keep [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► talking to that person is the most part [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► is the waiting [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► the waiting is as Tom Petty says the [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► hardest part is people who say they're [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► going to give the shit this week and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► they don't give it to you today [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► oh by the day you'll have it okay then [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► it's friday friday goes by and now it's [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► Tuesday Tyler was sick and you still [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► haven't gotten it but now i'm turning [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► other stuff away for this make-believe [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► work the best part of this thing though [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► the best part in the parts we got [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► something up on they sent me [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► ok attached you know dot docx please a [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► you know sign this and send it back and [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► it was literally for a contractor they [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► sent me the kind i have a million [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► dollars and insurance in order to a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► one-hour talk I showed it to my lawyer [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► he said basically this is like the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► contract they would give to Boeing you [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► have to you have to do all this for [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► outside they wanted me to sign a thing [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► that said a million dollars in liability [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► insurance that they own all the IP on [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► like every word of what I said forget [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► that you ever get that a contract LOL [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► because they because music is like but [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► if you did the person doesn't know they [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► just go grab a contract from Sally and [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► and thrown shit they may not even look [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► they're thinking that somebody would [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► come in and say like Oh get the [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► education contract [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► well that might be the education [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► contract for somebody who comes in and [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► devises a two-year plan with workbooks [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► and cd-rom [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► terms that you would want to keep [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► proprietary right but some some dipshit [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► with a podcast comes in and talks about [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► your email for an hour I i I'm gonna [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► sign that over though I'm sorry John [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► this is boring it's just food it's [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► frustrating [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► yeah i understand i mean i am I hate [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► dealing with people in bad faith and [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► again I feel like a putz it's like going [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► to flingers and I'm the only one who [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► doesn't want to acknowledge the fact [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► that the waitress and me aren't really [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► friends and I'm the dick [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► well what can I want to help you [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► well if John flensburg still listen to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► this podcast he's so mad right now that [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► we don't have a cough button [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► I don't think he listens anymore are you [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► can be sure that and your races friend [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► I you know my old New York City a [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► rock-and-roll lawyer that was eventually [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► those eventually died for fraud those [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► guys you know they were really good [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► about spending a year and a half going [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► through a contract like that with a with [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► the red pencil and nothing ever happens [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► all business the business of businesses [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► oh when you're playing at my level [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► though I have a much simpler unit tests [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► or you know kind of a little software [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► test which is good through and find the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► first thing that's probably the is going [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► to either be a pain in the ass for sure [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► that they're kind of Nick's who haven't [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► thought about this only takes one of [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► those that were done is on the increase [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► in the first sentence right on the first [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► page usually yeah about what the parties [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► are and like I'm gonna spend three [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► hundred dollars an hour to like help by [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► the way and in the case of that guy [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► never took what I spent in having my [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► attorney look at that contract already [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► covered half of the game that i never [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► got just dealing with the contract for [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► the bone stock contract right okay [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► change topics I if you want to talk [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► about this i got hydrogen peroxide them [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► that's too boring i was gonna ask you [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► about touring in Europe because it [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► sounds like a real mess in general [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► boring to talk about [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► oh it's no it's not boring it's [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► wonderful to turn your opinion would [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► save it you know it was it is it sounds [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► like you deal with so many different [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► it isn't even like dealing with [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► different guys you call on tuesday [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► morning in different places in America [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► it sounds like every system is a [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► completely different fiefdom well and I [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► can only hope that has changed but like [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► in 99 and 2000 [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► three and four let's say 10 years ago I [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► don't see how you could live in europe [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► because every single country had a [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► separate cell phone empire that as soon [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► as you cross from the Netherlands to [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► Belgium you were paying a dollar a [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► minute or you're paying a gyro a second [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► to use your cell phone and you know and [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► that's the equivalent of going from [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► seattle to portland OR it seem as [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► extreme further from seattle to portland [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► mean by the in the distance from seattle [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► to portland you would have crossed for [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► national borders and paid you know and [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► paid like out-of-country roaming charges [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► to four different countries [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► Wow and and you know there are as many [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► people in Europe that think of the [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► continent of Europe as sort of one big [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► playground as there are people in [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► America feel that way and if you were [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► somebody who was you know who had [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► friends in in cities all over like it [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► was it was maddening [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► I mean it and that is even Europe after [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► they took down the national borders the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► first time I went there in 1989 you [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► still had to you know go through [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► passport control to get from one country [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► to another and then at looking back [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► looking back at it now like it makes [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► sense it makes sense if it takes you [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► five days on a horse to get from [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► Brussels to Berlin but as soon as the [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► car was invented it's incredible to me [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► that those countries maintained their [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► like chauvinistic sovereignty through [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► all the 20th century and all of those [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► wars and it's just insane and and it's [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► crazy to think that that that that was [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► that my first-hand experience of it was [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► just that my fucking cell phone stopped [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► working an hour [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► or after I bought it you know the first [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► time I bought a cellphone in europe i [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► went into a into a Vodafone store on the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► dam in amsterdam and i bought a cell [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► phone and I like made five calls and [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► then I was in Germany and the thing was [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► useless or or or close to useless then [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► there are people that that used to buy [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► little sim cards that they were for [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► every country and rap up in little [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► plastic bags and switch them out [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► everything was like currency or or [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► something where you just know i'm [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► crossing over i gotta switch to this [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► other chip totally bananas and I don't [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► know if that's changed it Scott to have [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► changed but maybe it hasn't [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► who knows i haven't been i have not [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► tried to the last four times I've been [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► to your i have treated it like it was [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► like I was out to see like I landed I [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► turned my phone on to airport mode huh [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► and i use it as a Wi-Fi device but i [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► never ever tried to use my phone as a [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► phone and I didn't ask anybody about it [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► I was just like forget it [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► fuck you forever I'm not going to use my [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► phone over here and I and so touring is [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► like turning over there is is wonderful [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► ads and there's a part of me that's very [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► brokenhearted about it because I made [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► lifelong friends over there that I [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► haven't seen in a long time because i [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► don't have a new record and the whole [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► the whole basis of my life that I [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► establish 10 years ago was it was [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► premise on this put out a new record [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► every year and a half and keep this [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► going as long as it can and all of your [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► see all these friends you have made [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► around the world will continue to be [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► your friends because you'll see them [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► every few months and as soon as you stop [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► doing that as soon as I stop making [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► records [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► I stopped being part of a part of the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► economy of places and I went back to [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► like if you want to come to germany by [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► all means come as a tourist and we're [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► busy [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► so you come as a tourist and and you [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► know maybe we'll meet you for coffee or [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► whatever but like I'm not play and then [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► that's true in the United States to i [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► mean i have my friends I haven't seen in [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► years because I stopped doing the thing [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► that that gave me a reason to be there [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► and now I don't have a reason to be [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► there and that's part that's part of my [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► my [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► anhui my own going on we all the time i [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► get my advice is honest i have a [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► headache he moved onto honest i have [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► almost and it is the august of what is [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► my reason was my reason for being here I [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► don't have one [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► well I i feel that way about in [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► retrospect I felt that way about College [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► we're at the time I you know it was you [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► know whatever good things we will you [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► know I such as some kind of a cognitive [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► bias but you know we were good things [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► that happened to us we deserve you know [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► we had it coming right and as an artist [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► could that happen to us or like you know [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► a problem or somebody's fault so going [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► from being like a fairly kind of lonely [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► kid living in the in the provinces to [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► going to college and being surrounded by [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► smart people and like going to this tiny [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► school where I knew everybody was just I [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► was like it wasn't great [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► it wasn't all beer and skittles but [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► there's a lot of beer but like I I [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► suddenly was surrounded by people you [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► just what I'm trying to say is like you [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► would just I would bump into a hundred [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► people a day without trying [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► yeah and sometimes didn't want to see [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► the hundred people but like I would just [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► see these people all day long [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► it was really jarring me to leave that [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► environment and then suddenly i mean i [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► still have my friends I still have a lot [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► of friends but it was you had to be much [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► more intentional about seeing people and [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► all I think that's what you're [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► describing is not so different from me [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► check my mail and Hamilton center where [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► I'm going to see 20 people i know along [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► the way and can catch up in this [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► impossibly casual easy way and I think [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► that really that goes away once you in [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► your case it was that you wouldn't have [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► to like right now what would you do just [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► make a list of all those people you [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► probably remember mall but that would [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► lead you past taking that tour will take [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► you past at least half of all those [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► people that you like to see it without [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► you even trying [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► well yeah those easy easy the fifth time [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► that we played in Munich there were [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► people there that i had been to all five [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► shows and then I'd talk to [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► five times in the last three years you [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► know and that we had spent we've gone [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► out for drinks afterwards and had spent [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► some Mary Mary tons and those people you [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► know after the first few times you're [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► like I'm looking forward to seeing that [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► person again they are like they are kid [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► in a way and in high school I had that I [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► had that group of friends in high school [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► my high school friends were very tight [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► and we were very competitive with each [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► other if I look back at my high school [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► my 10 friends in high school like they [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► were in a lot of ways and a lot of ways [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► my relationships with them were like my [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► relationship with colin Meloy that it [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► was it was a friendly and brand very [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► competitive and often like the [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► competition turned to thinly veiled [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► hostility but these were my closest pals [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► you know where we were always kind of [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► trying to try to shoot the other one [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► down both in class and socially like it [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► was not it was not considered we were [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► loyal to one another in that way you [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► know if you could if you could shoot [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► your friend down while he was trying to [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► chat up a girl at a party if you could [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► walk by and make some cutting remark and [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► like blow up his game that was [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► considered fair play in high school and [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► there was no there wasn't a sense of [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► like we're all in this together you know [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► and when I went away to college my [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► college that my experience at Gonzaga [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► was maybe much closer to what most [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► people think of is like normal friends [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► treat each other like everybody kind of [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► all the people i do in college this [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► would like each other and they were [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► friends with each other and I didn't [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► understand those relationships I was [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► like you know out at what point are we [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► going to start playing mean pranks on [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► each other in my college my college [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► friends had all come from you know [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► whatever their high school experiences [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► had been mostly like that you don't have [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► that many friends but the friends you do [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► have are like warm and supportive [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► it wasn't really a menthol through the [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► grungees I mean it was a deeply [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► competitive and and fraught era for me [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► it wasn't until the indie-rock ears that [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► I really felt like I had a network of [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► people that that I liked that liked me [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► and that we weren't out to get each [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► other and i have remnants of that [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► certainly but but I've really isolated [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► myself from it and it's and so weird [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► thing to come into in your thirties like [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► hey look at this i know people in there [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► they're not all tried to like they're [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► all trying to cut me off at the knees [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► depends on the context in the [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► environment like you know based on my my [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► feelings of many movies about the US [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► military and special ops like there is [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► there's a certain kind of constant [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► jostling that yeah he won do another [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► that's understood that that's part of [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► the thing in high school I mean got him [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► in my group there would be kind of [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► jostling but we all knew what a fucking [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► homemade mess each of us was and how [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► close we were to like kind of falling [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► apart at the seams so I think you know [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► not not pushing too far on somebody's [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► bed wetting was just considered you know [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► the chorus right and that was that was [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► the decorum that was absolutely missing [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► in my group of friends like if when [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► you're in high school in high school if [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► you were outed as a bed-wetter [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► oh my god your best friends were the [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► ones that were going to shout it from [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► the rooftops and we were always looking [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► for the because because it was a because [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► it was a fairly impressive group of kids [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► we were always looking for the Achilles [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► heel to like knock knock the other ones [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► down a peg and I might have it might [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► have inculcated in me this idea of [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► friendship as being combative i don't i [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► did not walk and maybe a bit [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► this is an interesting question for me [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► because my whole adult life combat and [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► friendship is by is my model [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► that the famous conversation i had with [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► shawn nelson famous between me and Shawn [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► Nelson where where he said you don't [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► like any of the things i like why are [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► you friends with me friends are people [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► who like the same stuff and I said what [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► that's crazy friends don't like the same [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► stuff that's what makes them friends [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► they like they like hate the other [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► person's taste that's how you know your [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► friends but [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► friends but [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► let's just be clear also it was it was [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► it was consensual with your other [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► friends who jostle definitely sell all [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► they were evil I mean they were terrible [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► you have it there you have it bad for [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► you it was totally consensual but it was [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► like I me not one time some fresh couple [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► of guys came by my house to 22 and get [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► me for something and i was in the [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► bathtub upstairs and they rang the [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► doorbell and I stuck my head out the [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► window [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► it was like hey what's up you guys and [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► they kind of step back from the front [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► door and looked up and they're like oh [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► we thought you'd be ready and I was like [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► I'll be ready in a minute just a second [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► I'm you know I'm in the shower i'll be [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► right down [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► and i said i was in the shower because [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► taking a bath is uncool you don't want [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► to say I'm taking a bath with him taking [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► a shower but it was in the middle of [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► winter and i'm standing in the window [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► and apparently there's steam coming off [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► of me because i'm leaning out and like [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► jumped out about some weeding out the [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► window in the in the cold but my hair is [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► dry [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► they note o clock so for a a week or two [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► after that they really tried to get the [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► nickname steamin John haha go away they [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► really wanted that to have traction and [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► is with the job G Stephen John human [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► John and this was that you know this is [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► like the 1984 version of nice dockers [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► did they really they thought they had [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► they had all the pieces there i said i [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► was in the shower but my hair was dry I [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► was standing in the window and there was [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► steam pouring off me [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► something's not right here some there's [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► there's like a there's a vulnerability [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► hear that they can try to exploit and [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► and steam and jon was what they were but [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► they were pushing [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► and at that age you know i had already [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► learned like how not to let the nickname [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► like that catch on but you know what [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► part of it is like you didn't get my [TS]