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Ep. 82: "Yelling at Trees"

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0:00:00hello hey John I Merlin hello

0:00:15ya got what I need but you say he's just

0:00:22a friend

0:00:23ya bizz Markie yes

0:00:28Biz Markie say I was just listening to

0:00:32some fizz Marquis yeah yesterday i was

0:00:35listening to the bottle service in today

0:00:37I'm listening to biz markie and just

0:00:39trying to I'm trying to go back and

0:00:41start over again returning to the

0:00:44classics I'm gonna take a different Road

0:00:45this time

0:00:47yeah i'm gonna take the high road

0:00:49starting afresh

0:00:51yeah I start off brush tabula rasa haha

0:00:55Byul Arase who

0:00:57word up John blank slate have you been

0:01:00getting exposed to new music oh well you

0:01:04know i was just at Seattle's bumbershoot

0:01:05festival and got exposed to a lot of new

0:01:09things I got exposed to some music like

0:01:14the Breeders superchunk community the

0:01:18zombies what that Kepler cutie

0:01:21whoa whoa all the big axe the Esau you

0:01:24saw sergeant and the other guy sergeant

0:01:28and what's-his-name allergen and and big

0:01:29voice that can still sing like how can

0:01:31II he sings it's amazing he's like an

0:01:33angel

0:01:34he's a little man and he's blue he's

0:01:36blowing doors out with this but this

0:01:38incredible voice my first song first

0:01:41chorus and you're like how do you get

0:01:45how would you get there even at the end

0:01:46of your set how would you be so so

0:01:48warmed up that you could hit that note

0:01:50he's right there his solo records really

0:01:52good now I'm sorry that i'm totally

0:01:54spacing out his name is Colin Colin

0:01:57blundstone once down

0:01:59yeah they have a really good song that I

0:02:01think they might even record after

0:02:02odyssey an Oracle i think it's called

0:02:04remember the Swan em and then

0:02:07and then it's just uh just soaring yeah

0:02:10that record is that's a melancholy

0:02:12record it is there's a lot of sadness

0:02:14being a zombie

0:02:16mmm they're so so strong about world war

0:02:19one on there

0:02:20well you know what there's a song about

0:02:22world war one on the second key to help

0:02:23them to they don't want to talk about it

0:02:26was a controversial because they like

0:02:29the wrong side it's just that a lot of

0:02:30that most keen fans you know that they

0:02:32want the they want the songs to be about

0:02:34love automatically what would you seem

0:02:36less keen songs are about I would say

0:02:38most keen songs are about longing for

0:02:42friendship oh it's like a bunny kind of

0:02:46thing longing for friendship

0:02:48it's proto brownie they McKeon was there

0:02:50before the bronies but yeah it's about

0:02:53longing for friendship just like

0:02:54everything

0:02:55yeah it's like everything i remember i

0:02:58remember you know back when I didn't

0:02:59want to be touched

0:03:01I didn't realize that there is never it

0:03:03had been realized that i did that what I

0:03:07really was doing was yearning to be

0:03:09touched you you just wanted to hold

0:03:11hands and talk yeah you know like to put

0:03:15your head on my shoulder cut my hair is

0:03:17I don't think that's what everybody

0:03:19wants nice hair

0:03:20ya see saw the zombies you saw the beers

0:03:23i asked the beaters a couple times they

0:03:24did back in the day they put on a pretty

0:03:26good show i like better nirvana song

0:03:28yeah you know they still put on a good

0:03:29show and I have to say I was it i'm i'm

0:03:32standing in the crowd the young lady I

0:03:35was with the concert turned to me and

0:03:37said judge that do the Breeders matter

0:03:40to you where the Breeders part of your

0:03:41thing today are they like part of your

0:03:43pantheon by my side and i slumped my

0:03:47shoulders and I said yes the Breeders

0:03:50matter to me what part of that was hard

0:03:52for you it's hard i don't know i

0:03:54remember at the time the Breeders it

0:03:57just felt like it felt like it was that

0:04:01that moment in time where it's like we

0:04:02don't even know what a player

0:04:03instruments my sister doesn't even she

0:04:05never even picked up a guitar before and

0:04:07and now she's you know coming up with

0:04:09these cool guitar parts and we're a band

0:04:11and we don't even care do to do and I

0:04:13was like fuck all of that

0:04:15yeah but in fact they made really good

0:04:17music

0:04:18of to me you know like that music

0:04:20reaches me it's very cool everything

0:04:25about them is cool but but like I feel

0:04:28like it's legitimately cool it's not

0:04:29trying to is it is and I think just one

0:04:31of those instances where the albini

0:04:33production was such a perfect match

0:04:35yeah I mean that man knows how to make a

0:04:37base yes he can make up is I mean two

0:04:40midgets base is like a force of nature

0:04:42really way he makes it sound in the way

0:04:44he does drums i heard am I got a copy of

0:04:47the cassette of demos mostly stuff that

0:04:51was on pod and some stuff that would be

0:04:53on last splash in early versions and

0:04:56it's not a great it was I think we're

0:04:58like you put this on and if you were

0:04:59some dumbass record executive in the

0:05:01early nineties who would you know who

0:05:02would have signed up in a pound of bacon

0:05:03like cotton candy got plans why ya gotta

0:05:08promote the hell out of this

0:05:09poke poke poke I'll tell you how to make

0:05:11I'm gonna be you just bake this right

0:05:15talks up pop

0:05:16well I have to say though you know how I

0:05:17feel about distortion and I've been

0:05:19reflecting back on my life as a musician

0:05:21and i feel like i have not I have not

0:05:24given distort I'm not allowed myself to

0:05:28have distortion this is the problem and

0:05:32I'm sorry I lost you you have a meeting

0:05:34overdrive or confusion

0:05:36mm-hmm do I see no i mean so what you

0:05:41don't you get a pass or a rat or

0:05:43something's both things i have a million

0:05:45overdrive pedals i have a I actually

0:05:46have a there's an extension of my house

0:05:48just built out of the boxes the

0:05:50overdrive pedals came on and we call it

0:05:53the boss we but i but but you know in

0:05:57the nineties right i had a mite my

0:06:00amplifier was a carven 120 watt head on

0:06:05top of a 4-12 cabinet that was so great

0:06:08about 600 yes that was it was one of

0:06:10those elements heavily they was so heavy

0:06:13and it was and it had a parametric EQ on

0:06:15the front and it was you know but for

0:06:20all back in the day you know we guitar

0:06:21dudes would sit and like really micro

0:06:23adjust all the different frequencies at

0:06:27this you know this is for playing club

0:06:30shows where there are 60 80 people

0:06:32hundred and fifty people and you know I

0:06:34had that and then the other guitarist in

0:06:36the band also had a 4-12 cabinet and a

0:06:39hundred whitehead

0:06:40we're just ripping people's faces off

0:06:42and every band did it and tons and tons

0:06:45of distortion it was you know we're rock

0:06:47and roll but my indie rock career there

0:06:49are no there but hardly any recordings

0:06:51of that whole decade and my indie rock

0:06:55career was you know it coincided with

0:06:58the whole quiet is the new loud

0:07:01apocalypse and the whole distortion is

0:07:05bad fast tempos or bad we're just going

0:07:07to our music is just gonna going to bore

0:07:10people into a state where all they want

0:07:12to do is buy the t-shirt just gently

0:07:14stroked me ukulele case yeah just I mean

0:07:17longing for Israelis it was just like

0:07:19we're going to pet your vagina hair

0:07:21until you see you sleep sleep sleep and

0:07:27so you know so the first few long

0:07:29winters records were made in the in this

0:07:32area and at that point I had I had lost

0:07:36my confidence in rock and roll a little

0:07:38bit my personal confidence in it and i

0:07:40didn't know i didn't understand what was

0:07:42happening and and I was being shepherded

0:07:45through these recordings and and I was

0:07:49on a label that was very a that you know

0:07:52also believed that hard rock and heavy

0:07:55rock and kind of run its course this is

0:07:58a new generation and so the so the long

0:08:00winters records are are softer than i

0:08:04would have had them if if if I medicine

0:08:09cabinet pirate medicine cabinet pirate

0:08:11was up absolute fist fight to get it

0:08:14made

0:08:15there was one mix of medicine cabinet

0:08:17pirate that was presented to me in the

0:08:19business is like late in the game like

0:08:21we are mixing the record and a mix of

0:08:25medicine cabinet pirate came over the

0:08:27bow that had no guitars on

0:08:31is this mr. wala it was chris wallace

0:08:34was like I just don't understand the

0:08:36guitars on this record I don't quite

0:08:38understand the guitar sounds and I

0:08:40really this is what i'm hearing and it

0:08:41sounded like a Bjork mix it was like

0:08:43bass and drum machine and just got the

0:08:48dr j keyboard right yeah right just the

0:08:51just the outside elements and not the

0:08:54guitar not the guitar oh my god that was

0:08:57science so pretentious is so funny

0:09:00because with the guitars are our face

0:09:03searing and it's one of the most I mean

0:09:05car parts is is in its wake a mid-tempo

0:09:07manicure kind of song beautiful my

0:09:10favorite one song but medicine at pirate

0:09:12is much more like this role in some ways

0:09:15anything

0:09:15well and medicine counterpart is how it

0:09:17says is close to sounding like the music

0:09:20i made before the long winters as

0:09:22anything on on those records but anyway

0:09:27so I've been thinking you know so the

0:09:28last couple of years i have not been

0:09:30recording new music for public

0:09:32consumption but i have been working on

0:09:34music at home making tons and tons of

0:09:37music actually and it all is

0:09:39characterized by this breeders like

0:09:43distortion wash it's not something we

0:09:47describe some stuff using and selling

0:09:48NBD a little bit my bloody valentine

0:09:51hugely influential it not not not

0:09:54directly but like spiritually like that

0:09:56that feeling you have when you put on

0:09:58the headphones for potentially driving

0:10:02in fog late at night when everybody else

0:10:05in the cars asleep and you have been

0:10:08eating mushrooms all day that feeling

0:10:10that you are falling into the sky is

0:10:16something that I'm always trying to

0:10:17capture and that's anyway that's what

0:10:18i've been making and so listening to the

0:10:20breeders and going to that show for

0:10:22years I was just like I don't want to be

0:10:24influenced by the Breeders that's not

0:10:26the story that i want you know the story

0:10:29that i want to be telling is that I'm

0:10:31influenced by Judas Priest but in fact

0:10:34i'm more influenced by the Breeders than

0:10:37then I then I've never been comfortable

0:10:39admitting until now

0:10:41and it's been it's because of that like

0:10:43because she's singing so down she solo

0:10:46her you know her energy is just solo

0:10:50vibe and cool and the music is just

0:10:52washing over you and it's like yeah

0:10:54that's kind of what I'm into

0:10:56no you know it's it's great it's great

0:11:00it's like Jeff Buckley it's great music

0:11:02to have sex two girls that have tribal

0:11:04tattoos especially she's dead

0:11:06oh I'm not a bad way alright okay good

0:11:10dead in a good way but yeah I'm trying

0:11:12to steal this makes me sad because I

0:11:13mean that the point the Breeders thing

0:11:15is is a is getting your dander up a

0:11:17little bit but says you're getting

0:11:19closer to well yeah because a lot of

0:11:21thing you'd like to do you know you know

0:11:23what it's like to be 25 Merlin you've

0:11:27been 25

0:11:28yeah and when I was 12 * if I for about

0:11:3120 years when I was 20 I was 25 for

0:11:34about 11 minutes but when i was twenty

0:11:37five or six that I really felt already

0:11:42had 24 21 23 years old I already felt

0:11:48like I was too old for punk music that

0:11:53was for kids

0:11:54I felt like I was too old for pop music

0:11:59in a way like contemporary music was it

0:12:02was already so dumb by 1991 that I was

0:12:07like I i made the mistake of thinking I

0:12:10was too sophisticated to be the age that

0:12:13I was in the time that I was and it was

0:12:16only later that I reflected back and you

0:12:18know because i never saw Nirvana Nirvana

0:12:20was playing shows all around me and I

0:12:23was like nirvana is a bunch of kids

0:12:25music bunch of dumb you know some

0:12:27druggies and it was only later that that

0:12:32I that I allowed myself to be a fan of

0:12:35Nirvana after you know he didn't really

0:12:37after and after he got two days before

0:12:40Kurt Cobain kill himself if you had

0:12:42asked me if I like Nirvana i would have

0:12:43said man

0:12:44yeah i guess if you like that simple

0:12:49kids music and two weeks after Kurt

0:12:52Cobain died I thought that the bed the

0:12:54world had ended so the breakers are

0:12:57diabetic I this is the problem with the

0:12:59breakers for me to at the time I was

0:13:01like I i will always have a soft spot

0:13:05for smells like teen spirit but the

0:13:07computer is a much better record really

0:13:10i bet it's a insecticide is the one for

0:13:12me and left me with that and says decide

0:13:15is the B is that like singles b-sides I

0:13:19think the age is showing on never mind a

0:13:22little bit and production wise but it is

0:13:25incensed decide was the stuff that it

0:13:26was released after nevermind but it was

0:13:29all recorded before

0:13:30ok and in some cases recorded even

0:13:33before the more beachy it's it's super

0:13:37bleachy but even some of its even pre

0:13:38bleach and and so what it is it's like I

0:13:42could you remember that late eighties

0:13:44obviously does he remember but the

0:13:46ladies up here there was not a

0:13:50tremendous distinction between hippie

0:13:52psychedelic a metal and punk was also

0:13:57what's frustrating about the fucking

0:13:58grunge thing is like I mean had how do

0:14:01you take a combination of the raincoats

0:14:03influence and the Black Sabbath

0:14:05influence and kind of act like that's

0:14:07the same thing right and there's some of

0:14:09the some of the stuff on incest aside is

0:14:11nirvana like tripping out kinda like

0:14:15true trippy trip trip is I mean it's

0:14:18still all Paul Nirvana it's grungy but

0:14:22it's like they're they haven't been

0:14:25quite figured out short fast or even

0:14:28loud soft it's just like where I walk

0:14:31and it's I don't know this is a hard

0:14:33girl as a stoner it is a lot of it

0:14:36before Dave Grohl so yeah so it's a

0:14:39little so it's a little less like a

0:14:41packer to contain and I'm much more like

0:14:43wow I i was like no they would like to

0:14:48publicly analyze you

0:14:49oh yes only take a minute um I know too

0:14:52much should i also should i say ah well

0:14:54be nice if you can maybe just reclined a

0:14:57little bit okay ready

0:15:00ok let's make you feel it's interesting

0:15:04to me based on many many many hundreds

0:15:07of conversations we've had that we I

0:15:09think we both have a background in a

0:15:12certain kind of really visceral like

0:15:15crunchy music you know playing the

0:15:17tennis racket kind of music I mean the

0:15:19stuff that I mean I I know for myself

0:15:21and i think based on what you said I

0:15:23mean the thing that got you excited

0:15:24about making the leap from being a music

0:15:26consumer to be a music producer was

0:15:28partly that something welling up inside

0:15:31of you started with this appreciation

0:15:33for these awarding and visceral like

0:15:35very like physical like you could feel

0:15:37it down down down down down or you know

0:15:40or you know whatever you know that kind

0:15:44of stuff that the first time that you

0:15:46students and saw away at a guitar until

0:15:50you have forgotten everything when you

0:15:52just there's you know eyes closed sweat

0:15:55pouring down just and you're just

0:15:57hammering on this guitar i think i could

0:15:59play sweet leaf at rehearsal for hours

0:16:02it's just so fun that little like done

0:16:05and it's just so fun to play and a

0:16:07feeling you get here the analysis is

0:16:09that you're a thinker you think a lot

0:16:11and it's the interesting thing to me is

0:16:13that you seem to be a war with yourself

0:16:14about this one side of you that

0:16:16absolutely knows what you like

0:16:18like you're not even likewhat influence

0:16:19you want to point it seemed like you you

0:16:21have a pretty good feeling for like

0:16:22whether it's something that's like in

0:16:24your pantheon or something you can take

0:16:26your leave or something that should be

0:16:27you know killed with fire but you think

0:16:30a lot and I think that's very

0:16:31interesting and I would have things that

0:16:33they can get in the way of which would

0:16:34you like to make yes it does it does and

0:16:38and I've been I've been reflecting ever

0:16:40since design about that I've been

0:16:42thinking about it a lot ever ever said

0:16:44so-so were coming up

0:16:46well actually no we're over it it's been

0:16:49a month now that i have adopted this new

0:16:52way of eating no sugar and it's it's

0:16:56it's extraordinary say it's still you

0:16:58still feel a difference

0:17:00absolutely i mean I because because in

0:17:02the course of the month now I've had a

0:17:04couple of opportunities to like okay I'm

0:17:06not you know I'm not living in a

0:17:08dictatorship here i'm gonna have a piece

0:17:10of pie on Saturday because what the hell

0:17:13and I had I've been good

0:17:16well and it was it was much more like

0:17:18I'm in this for the long haul

0:17:20it's not like I'm never gonna have a

0:17:22piece of pie again I have to figure out

0:17:23how to have one and then go back to

0:17:25eating right but that's the that's the

0:17:28problem

0:17:28it is the problem you know like if I

0:17:30friend from like an unopened bottle of

0:17:32bourbon sure or or like if I could have

0:17:36a cigarette and then on Monday go back

0:17:38to not having cigarettes it would be a

0:17:40problem i would still be having

0:17:42cigarettes sometimes but you know I i

0:17:45was i I am NOT able to do that i

0:17:48interrupting a month one month

0:17:49well so so I I so I've had the occasion

0:17:52to have a slice of pie and not only did

0:17:55i did i like a leap off into this sugar

0:18:00like super buzzed but my nose started

0:18:04running my sinuses got climb you want

0:18:08with it whether that within 45 minutes

0:18:10whoa and I have stealing and I'm like

0:18:14and then and then I'm plummeting off the

0:18:18off the edge and then it's three o'clock

0:18:20in the morning and i'm wide awake

0:18:21drumming my fingers on the bed and I'm

0:18:23like whoa that was close one piece of

0:18:26pie and admittedly three chocolate chip

0:18:28cookies and Palmer but what zoom and

0:18:34then and then just it wasn't just like

0:18:37buzz and crash it was just it was back

0:18:40to bonkers but anyway so here I am a

0:18:44month into this my energy is is for the

0:18:47most part like stabilized and calm and

0:18:51I'm really able to recognize I look

0:18:54around my life and I recognize i am

0:18:56presently at 44 years old almost 45

0:19:00presently in some indefinable feud with

0:19:0424 people 24 people like a name and now

0:19:08that you have the clarity of mind you

0:19:10could actually write them all down and

0:19:12keep them straight organized

0:19:13yeah that's right then I'm not talking

0:19:14about all the people that you know there

0:19:16is not a my bloody valentine fog of

0:19:19embassies you've got a clear idea of

0:19:21exactly who you're not square with right

0:19:23absolutely there there are people on the

0:19:25list that I'm not

0:19:26look into in five years there are people

0:19:27on the list I haven't spoken to six

0:19:29months there are people on the list that

0:19:30are just recently added to the list

0:19:33there are people that have been on the

0:19:34list for 18 years but I could I can tell

0:19:38you you know like and those are those

0:19:40are not the people that I see around

0:19:42town that I'm like that I hate that guy

0:19:44I don't even know his name I just don't

0:19:46like him updates for 24 people i can

0:19:47name and I'm realizing like him like him

0:19:51I think myself into I on a daily basis I

0:19:57think myself into Buchenwald like I am

0:20:02in time in 24 different Buchenwald of

0:20:06the minds need for other parts that

0:20:09don't know I and i have to say like it

0:20:13now I've got a little bit of clarity

0:20:14I've got a little bit of calm and I'm

0:20:16realizing oh my god i'm just at the

0:20:18beginning of trying to get my life back

0:20:22I don't even know how I don't even know

0:20:24how to go around

0:20:26I you know I i bet at least 20 of those

0:20:30people I can't possibly apologize to

0:20:32because i don't remember what the

0:20:33problem was and so so that's just it's

0:20:39really challenging like a you know like

0:20:40I feel like calling people up and say

0:20:42hey there sorry about that you know and

0:20:44and this is the thing people are never

0:20:46thinking about you as much as you are

0:20:48you as much as you think they're

0:20:49thinking about you so probably 15 of

0:20:52those people be like what

0:20:53Oh are we having a fight and have to

0:20:56remember who you are in your fucking

0:20:58yeah I just thought you stopped calling

0:21:00me because we didn't get along or

0:21:02because you you know because you were

0:21:03bored of me or something you know and

0:21:05and i'm sitting over here like no I'm

0:21:07not bored of you i'm still super pissed

0:21:09at you about something so anyway like

0:21:12this thinking oh my god thinking is such

0:21:16a albatross it is it i feel like if I

0:21:20feel like thinking past a certain point

0:21:21is a disability like a Jedi like a

0:21:24genuine disability and where's my god IM

0:21:26parade yeah well let's say it's a

0:21:27handicap is where's where it's a

0:21:30handicap it's it's a handy capable like

0:21:32charlie brown cloud yeah yeah I I mean

0:21:35it's been cloudy

0:21:36well I mean just to put a little bit of

0:21:38syrup on this Bank

0:21:39I guess I always thought that as I got

0:21:41older people would make more sense to me

0:21:43and I'm embarrassed to say this because

0:21:46I'm certain it has either everything to

0:21:49do with what I didn't understand my

0:21:50entire life for everything to do with

0:21:52the fact that I'm a sociopath but like

0:21:54people make less sense to me

0:21:56just about every week or so I honestly

0:21:58feel like on the one hand i'm incredibly

0:22:00I'm growing like really soft inside and

0:22:03sympathetic to how fucked up everybody

0:22:05can be either not know or not have

0:22:08access to changing it but i also just

0:22:10don't understand why people do what they

0:22:11do it's just it's so perplexing to me

0:22:14and you know sometimes the more i feel

0:22:15that the less i talk about it but I

0:22:17there's so much stuff that almost

0:22:18everybody I I know guys that I just

0:22:20frankly do not understand and i keep it

0:22:23to myself because I don't argue about it

0:22:25that's part of my affliction like I I

0:22:27honestly I honestly thought that as i

0:22:28get older i become more sage and more

0:22:30wise and be able to have you know a

0:22:33certain amount of remove from these

0:22:34things could be going oh well obviously

0:22:37you know I've worked with people enough

0:22:39now that everything that makes sense and

0:22:41so now I know how to manipulate people

0:22:43because I'm really good at that and and

0:22:44i I just I feel like I'm around aliens

0:22:47more and more

0:22:48yeah and I mean I don't know if you get

0:22:49that but I mean that's a clarity thing

0:22:50for me I i think in in fact i was in a

0:22:52fog for a different kind of fog maybe

0:22:55not sugar fog but for a long time was

0:22:57thinking that I understood what the fuck

0:22:58was going on and and now i know that i

0:23:00don't and i know that i am I reflection

0:23:02my handicap my handi-capable as I

0:23:03honestly don't understand about 80% of

0:23:06what everybody does people who are

0:23:07exactly like the idea understand what

0:23:08they do neither and and I mean I love

0:23:14Demetrius is this another is related

0:23:16because i think this bumbershoot there

0:23:18the bumbershoot is a time one

0:23:20people come from all around lots of

0:23:23people people I've known for years

0:23:25people that I have known professionally

0:23:28old friends new friends

0:23:31it's a big gathering of people and I'm

0:23:33there with with all the people and

0:23:35socializing and and fun and times and if

0:23:42there was one problem which was that I

0:23:44was headed backstage to the big

0:23:47backstage party show

0:23:50and this is you know a big festival so

0:23:54they hire they hire a lot of convicts

0:23:57they hire a lot of people who who ate a

0:24:02lot of lead paint chips when they were

0:24:03kids

0:24:04apparently the ultimate lined the

0:24:06aldehyde group of people that live

0:24:09downwind from the smelter and those

0:24:13people are charged so so there are

0:24:16people who are the least informed the

0:24:18least capable up people they don't hire

0:24:21them to personally major status they

0:24:23hire them to make a zero or one decision

0:24:24that's probably a zero that's right

0:24:26they're given that they are given a

0:24:28mandate which is which is which is

0:24:31basically like a bit in the movie Tron

0:24:35like are you on or off

0:24:38yes yes no yes no and so I'm in this

0:24:42large group of people and includes some

0:24:43very famous rock stars

0:24:46we're all moving along toward a doorway

0:24:50that is the doorway between the dummies

0:24:54the 50,000 dummies who are out looking

0:24:58or dipping corn dogs in powdered sugar

0:25:02or whatever it is that people hear

0:25:03things like this and then on the other

0:25:05side of this door it is this rarefied

0:25:08backstage world where you just you look

0:25:11around it's like everybody back here is

0:25:13wearing a gold cape and everybody back

0:25:17here has an MTV Music Video Award and

0:25:20we're just going to sit back here and

0:25:22put our pinky fingers up each other's

0:25:23bucks and this is why we do it just like

0:25:28fish bag valve all it is we're just

0:25:30going to sit back here and people are

0:25:32going to tell you that they love your

0:25:33album but they've never listened to

0:25:35before and people are going to introduce

0:25:37you two pretty girls that don't have any

0:25:39reason to be back there but they're

0:25:40pretty let's get the whole it's the

0:25:42whole thing and this this dummy this guy

0:25:45this guy who you know who is still at 55

0:25:50years old studying for his GED is

0:25:53looking at everybody's pass and earlier

0:25:56in the day

0:25:57I in my pursuit of special privilege

0:26:01head had jumped over a barrier because I

0:26:07did not want to wait for another one of

0:26:10these guys another one of these Dwayne

0:26:13the rock Johnson's to take the time to

0:26:17look through my bag or whatever and so I

0:26:19like i skirted this guy and I did not

0:26:23get a little red stamp on my all-access

0:26:28pass well there's another level above

0:26:31all access oh this is the thing there's

0:26:35all access it mostly when accidents all

0:26:37all access with a little red stamp on it

0:26:39then there's all access with a little

0:26:40red stamp and a gold star on the back

0:26:42and then there's all access with a red

0:26:44stamp and two gold stars aren't you are

0:26:47literally making this up

0:26:48not at all and then there's one there's

0:26:50all access with a red stamp three gold

0:26:52stars on the back and one black line

0:26:56across the left bottom corner and I

0:26:59don't have the red stamp and so 20

0:27:03people are formed who are going through

0:27:04this door and this little Nimrod uh who

0:27:10basically is is one of the he's

0:27:13basically one of the puppets in a in

0:27:16Blade Runner the one with the little

0:27:19captain's hat on the long nose again

0:27:21home again jiggity he says well oh hey

0:27:24buddy you don't have the red stamp and

0:27:27I'm like listen doesn't matter i'm going

0:27:30through this door and he's like I have

0:27:33been charged with one task in my entire

0:27:35life my wife does not respect me my

0:27:37children don't love me

0:27:38my parents are dead i will you shall not

0:27:42pass and I'm standing there and and you

0:27:47know and this is the thing about walking

0:27:48away that nobody's gonna help you out

0:27:50this year

0:27:50rock rock musicians right yeah it is

0:27:53just like they turn around and if they

0:27:55had looked back and I and somebody had

0:27:57doused me with oil that was literally

0:28:00building a ghetto brick wall or holding

0:28:03a highway flare in their hands

0:28:05I never liked will one man vouched for

0:28:07this person they would be like steel

0:28:09anybody and and I would be immolated so

0:28:13I'm sitting there and I'm like I know

0:28:15not to appeal to the to the to the kids

0:28:18for flowing through the door because

0:28:20like it's already on cool don't make it

0:28:23more uncool by calling attention to

0:28:24yourself

0:28:25so now I thought that reads as list at

0:28:27us yeah you don't want to sit there be

0:28:29like hey you guys would you call the

0:28:30Tudor manager you know like the doors

0:28:32already shutting so now I'm standing

0:28:34here talking to this kind of like listen

0:28:36I know that you have this one thing

0:28:38they're supposed to do they have to in

0:28:40this moment just think for yourself and

0:28:45realize that I am NOT i'm standing here

0:28:47with an all-access pass and I did not

0:28:51get the stamp for whatever reason but

0:28:55you should know by my main by my manner

0:29:00by the energy that i have the energy of

0:29:03a star that you need to let me through

0:29:06this door right now otherwise it's going

0:29:11to get terrible here

0:29:12the atmosphere in your little corner of

0:29:14this stadium is going to get really bad

0:29:17for a little bit and she says you got to

0:29:23have the red stand how the atmosphere go

0:29:28the atmosphere got really bad right

0:29:31there and know what was your he kept he

0:29:35kept you know he kept like explaining

0:29:37about how he had been told about the red

0:29:39stamp at one point I put my finger to

0:29:41his lips and I said that's enough

0:29:43Oh shine like I was it got bad there

0:29:47because I understand that he'd been told

0:29:50you get real focused in a moment like

0:29:52that I understand what he had been told

0:29:54and I said that to him I understand what

0:29:57you've been told but this is a moment

0:30:00this is the moment where like if your

0:30:02life can change if you do not recognize

0:30:05the King when he is wearing street

0:30:07clothes like there is no forgiveness

0:30:10later

0:30:12and so that's set off a chain of events

0:30:15where I was can I'll i needed to

0:30:18confront I was this was the universe at

0:30:21this point it's not really so much about

0:30:22getting in the door anymore now that's a

0:30:24different level right now what I don't

0:30:25want to see this fucking show anymore

0:30:26accelerator a turbo at this point i do

0:30:29not want to stand next to Bob Mould and

0:30:31talk about the news of the day and talk

0:30:33about bear week at provincetown I am I

0:30:36on clearly different level now I'm

0:30:39flying I'm flying I'm sr-71 now looking

0:30:42down and in a way my the worm turn like

0:30:47my incredible day went to blackness

0:30:50because of nobody's fault like this this

0:30:53guys doing whatever doing his job

0:30:56just just escorting people into the

0:30:58ovens and I didn't get the stamp because

0:31:02of some hubris on my part earlier in the

0:31:05day like this is the this is the gods on

0:31:09Mount Olympus saying let us let us let

0:31:15us guide the path of this arrow right

0:31:18into the heel of Achilles and I'm and

0:31:23I'm standing there just just bathed in

0:31:26my fury at after all these years not

0:31:30having the right

0:31:33laminate and and I'm just like what what

0:31:39what is next what is next for me I

0:31:42cannot be more wrong here

0:31:46you know I can my anger I mean did you

0:31:49realize that at some point during the

0:31:51evening

0:31:52yeah Wow like monospaced that's pretty

0:31:55fast my anger here is the wrong anger

0:31:58directed at all the wrong things but it

0:32:02is so real so profound my feeling that

0:32:06there should be he that there are

0:32:09Sneetches with stars on their bellies

0:32:11there are Sneetches with no stars on

0:32:13their bellies and then there is me the

0:32:16Lorax

0:32:18you speak for the butter I speak for all

0:32:20the motherfuckers and that is wrong

0:32:23that's incorrect that is not a correct

0:32:25assessment of the situation and and

0:32:28there are there are so many ways to

0:32:30handle these you know like to navigate

0:32:33the world where you do not you know

0:32:36where where where you just you just wait

0:32:38in line long enough and you can you

0:32:40realize when you get there like oh

0:32:41there's a red stamp that I'm gonna need

0:32:42later or whatever or the guy says the

0:32:45guy says I'm not allowed to let you

0:32:47through the door and you go okay i'm

0:32:51going home or or or I don't know what

0:32:53you do or I honestly this is the problem

0:32:56i honestly don't know what you do

0:32:57because all I know how to do in that

0:33:00moment is to be sting or stewart

0:33:03copeland worse you know like the guy

0:33:05who's just like throwing his drumsticks

0:33:07at some shred Rukh who's employed by a

0:33:12subsidiary of Halliburton so who

0:33:18suffice to say no no Bob Mould well no I

0:33:23eventually somebody but we cannot say

0:33:27but eventually some other employee of

0:33:32the super stadium

0:33:33well I'm standing there I'm just

0:33:34towering over this guy and I'm like

0:33:36listen there's a lot of there's a lot of

0:33:38there's a lot of bad things that are

0:33:40going to happen to you on Christmas Eve

0:33:41this year

0:33:44this Christmas matter to you is

0:33:46Christmas of thing in your house

0:33:48mark mark this day wet because there are

0:33:51there only a hundred fifteen more

0:33:55anxiety days that you didn't storm

0:33:58straight to a higher authority did you

0:34:00plot phone and call people my phone was

0:34:03dead but because it's okay i see this is

0:34:06this this

0:34:06no no fake because this guy the thing is

0:34:08that a certain point these guys turned

0:34:09to stone

0:34:10there's nothing there is he does not

0:34:12have the components hiring at Yale

0:34:14obviously but but not only that but he

0:34:16does not have the capacity to think on

0:34:18his feet and once it gets hostile well

0:34:20there's a classic thing and we're going

0:34:22to companies that means an old thing

0:34:24that people said for a long time but you

0:34:25tell a lot about somebody in their

0:34:27position

0:34:28how much power they have because do they

0:34:30do they have the power to say no or how

0:34:35much power and about which things do

0:34:36they have the power to say yes because

0:34:38true power is the ability to say yes

0:34:40it's not the power saying now I mean

0:34:42having said that you know this guy's

0:34:43whole job is about saying no the whole

0:34:45reason he's hired it is like I say he's

0:34:47not there like parts out whether you

0:34:48should be you know behind the pipe and

0:34:50drape he's there to basically be this

0:34:53valve where nobody gets through except

0:34:55for this extremely small number of

0:34:57people in a single metric for his entire

0:34:58job is whether he got every single one

0:35:01of those right yeah basically he is a he

0:35:03is a laser pointer made out of meat

0:35:05yeah he does he's just it's just rare

0:35:08honor off but you know in five minutes

0:35:12later some uh some woman who also worked

0:35:15for a subsidiary of Halliburton comes

0:35:17through the door looks at me and goes oh

0:35:19hi

0:35:21I recognize you from earlier and I was

0:35:23like is that so and she turns to the guy

0:35:26and she's like oh I know this guy and

0:35:29then I'm like I with one hand I am

0:35:33giving this woman a sweet caress down

0:35:37the down the side of her shoulder with

0:35:39the other hand i'm giving the other guy

0:35:42the double nickels on the dime like fuck

0:35:46you

0:35:47middle finger right in his little his

0:35:49little long nose face and it was just

0:35:52like it was just the sort it was sort of

0:35:54a synchronized swimming move like

0:35:56petting the one lady fucked off right in

0:35:58the other guy's face and then i'm down

0:36:00the stairs and Janice of a cost steel

0:36:02later but so it is so it all ends up but

0:36:05the problem is then I you know then the

0:36:07rest of the night through my friends Big

0:36:09Show and through all the socializing I

0:36:11am chewing the data I'm crunching the

0:36:13numbers in my head gets so easy it is so

0:36:15difficult to shake that off its here and

0:36:18I'm adrenaline adrenaline is so high but

0:36:20the numbers I'm you know I'm reviewing

0:36:22the math and the numbers are telling me

0:36:24over and over

0:36:25you are the problem here you are the

0:36:28agent of you are the bad actor in this

0:36:32scenario because you're basically just

0:36:34yelling at trees like you are you are

0:36:39yelling out the car window

0:36:41uh draw all alone driving in the dark

0:36:44and there's no and what do you what do

0:36:48you hope to achieve like what what what

0:36:51is wrong with you

0:36:52ultimately so what you are interested in

0:36:56retrospect what do you if you could camp

0:36:59monday morning quarterback it if you

0:37:03could tuesday evening quarterback it

0:37:04what maybe not specifically where did

0:37:07you go wrong like if you could redo some

0:37:09of that knowing what you know what would

0:37:11you have done differently like where

0:37:12would it was the earliest thing you

0:37:14would have changed if you get groundhog

0:37:15day that you know the projo waiting in

0:37:18line for your stamp know what am i some

0:37:22fucking monkey sign so some dog waiting

0:37:26for a snack but waiting for the chuck

0:37:30wagon to come out from under the same

0:37:31essential complicated first drive across

0:37:34the kitchen floor in the cupboard know

0:37:36what I want my little car you turn the

0:37:38key and going to circle the fuck up

0:37:40no the problem was that I somewhere

0:37:44along the line here have lost confidence

0:37:46in myself to the point that i was i was

0:37:51sincerely concerned with being in this

0:37:57group of of famous people being being

0:38:02one of them being the social speaking of

0:38:07being part of the social center of a

0:38:09group of artists that I admired or that

0:38:14I understood that I was meant to admire

0:38:16and that this is where I meant to where

0:38:20I think I should belong where I meant to

0:38:23belong in this group and that has

0:38:28nothing to do with me

0:38:29I do not I do not care ultimately like

0:38:32the the experience of being down in that

0:38:35room in the sin the mutual admiration

0:38:37society the experience of being

0:38:39backstage is entirely a status and

0:38:46belonging issue like I could have just

0:38:51walked around the corner from where I

0:38:53was standing

0:38:54and have gone into the stadium and watch

0:38:57the rock concert like the rock concert

0:38:59was not I don't want to defend or try to

0:39:04say anything but do you know what I

0:39:08dunno about you is that well yeah I mean

0:39:09but that socializing if you want to call

0:39:12it that is kind of part of your work

0:39:14that's what you doing the reason I

0:39:16mention that is I've been to lots of

0:39:17places with you where you know I people

0:39:20open open their arms and their red red

0:39:23the ropes to you it's very is it's it's

0:39:26not unusual for you to be the guy who

0:39:28goes backstage things because that's

0:39:29just the thing that you do and you don't

0:39:30go back to America douche but I mean I

0:39:32get that's just the thing that happens

0:39:34but that but that reaction that reaction

0:39:37was a reaction the reaction i had was

0:39:40coming from a place of entitlement

0:39:42yeah just on the fun it's like it you

0:39:45know it's it does it does but that's the

0:39:46thing that but but that that that

0:39:49automaton in a uniform was not the

0:39:52problem i cannot be mad at the system

0:39:56I can't be mad at the guy 15 guys up who

0:40:00decided to hire a bunch of dummies to

0:40:02work security because everybody's doing

0:40:04their job like Who am I mad at it's like

0:40:06being mad at the city it's like it's

0:40:08like being a member of the tea party and

0:40:10you're mad at the government like what

0:40:12is the fucking government yelling it

0:40:13rain

0:40:14Yeah right there is no the government

0:40:16there's nobody in charge

0:40:18everybody's doing their everybody's just

0:40:20doing their little corner of those of

0:40:22their work and the guy the guy that's up

0:40:26the chain far enough to make a decision

0:40:27he doesn't care he doesn't care whether

0:40:30I get it or not and I can't be mad at

0:40:31him for it

0:40:32he's got bigger fish to fry he's trying

0:40:34to keep the power on in the building so

0:40:37all of it was all of it was back to

0:40:40entitlement now if I was if i had come

0:40:42to that door with the like remembering

0:40:46that I am just invited everywhere i'm

0:40:51lucky to be anywhere we're all just

0:40:54lucky to be anywhere and this guy's like

0:40:57you don't have the red stamp what I

0:40:59should have said was already get the red

0:41:01stamp and he'd say oh you get you had to

0:41:05get it on the you have to get it on the

0:41:07moon

0:41:07it's like oh well can you get on your

0:41:09walkie-talkie and ask like when the next

0:41:12ship to the moon is and he probably

0:41:15would have got on his walkie-talkie in

0:41:16said something and somebody would have

0:41:18been there with a red stampin in a

0:41:20minute and a half but but that's not the

0:41:25direction I went because that would that

0:41:27would have been inconceivable to me in

0:41:28fact it only occurs to me now that

0:41:30that's what I should have done

0:41:31oh yeah oh we need red stamp oh how do I

0:41:34do that how do i fill this out how do i

0:41:37do the dance right uh but but my sense

0:41:42of entitlement is so strong and at the

0:41:45end at this point in my life belonging

0:41:47to that group matters so much to me

0:41:49because i'm not making new music and I'm

0:41:52insecure about myself so all of a sudden

0:41:56you know as Bob Mould walks down the

0:41:58hall and and looks back over his

0:42:00shoulder and goes who's that guy can and

0:42:03the door shuts and I'm arguing I'm

0:42:06arguing with the chest piece over

0:42:08whether or not i have a script for an

0:42:11infection in wreck when you put it in

0:42:14those terms it is pretty brutal you know

0:42:16what I mean like and she's like he's a

0:42:18little clay figurine that somebody made

0:42:20to put into the grave with the with that

0:42:24the Chinese horse general that he did

0:42:26his job but he did his job and when he

0:42:29went home and the problem is i made him

0:42:31feel like shit I don't berlin i don't

0:42:33know if you can convey to our audience

0:42:34what it is like to be in a small room

0:42:36with me when I am what I am

0:42:39like it's so fun to be in any room with

0:42:41you like really honestly almost all the

0:42:44time except sometimes yeah i mean things

0:42:48happen and and then it's not Christmas

0:42:51anymore

0:42:52no the vibration comes off of me and it

0:42:54is it you feel it in your just another

0:42:57cold cold day in this second and say she

0:43:01died it's you know he went home here you

0:43:03get very young to use an overused word

0:43:06you get intense i get intense

0:43:09yes I mean it isn't fair to say yeah and

0:43:11so this guy at the end of watch was not

0:43:13mean he goes home he opens a keystone

0:43:16light he turns on Madagascar 2

0:43:19because it's his favorite movie he loves

0:43:23alex any sitting watching the mid-water

0:43:25watching madagascar but still in some

0:43:29part of himself is still sad or mad or

0:43:33or like it didn't go well he was doing

0:43:37his job and he feels like satisfied but

0:43:40he also is like I did I diminished him

0:43:43and that and why is that it was not for

0:43:46my I didn't do it i don't i don't feel

0:43:48better for having done it I did it

0:43:50because I was in this ego posture of of

0:43:54of of like what what what you know you

0:43:59know what I mean and it's just like I I

0:44:01totally did and III mean three seconds

0:44:04away from saying do you know who i am

0:44:05i'm saying is that is google me it's in

0:44:08the state and its it's one of my deep

0:44:12deep shame spots is when i do that and I

0:44:15don't know quite what it is I'm what

0:44:18again i want to say the part of it is

0:44:20getting older it's becoming more

0:44:21difficult for me to write off the things

0:44:24like what you're describing as somebody

0:44:27else's fault or it's getting harder for

0:44:29me to find a good reason for why behave

0:44:30badly when there's this feeling inside

0:44:33of me there's telling me intensely over

0:44:36and over again perhaps over a period of

0:44:37days you know you really fucked that up

0:44:39yeah and it's it's it's it's becoming

0:44:42harder for me to just let that off and

0:44:43BB a funny guy about it and I realize

0:44:45how harmful that can be and and and then

0:44:48I to be honest I realize how much I

0:44:51don't know if this is useful at all but

0:44:53I realize how toxic to my system it is

0:44:58to put the amount of energy needed into

0:45:02thinking about that in a way where it's

0:45:03not my fault

0:45:04it takes a tremendous amount of effort

0:45:06and energy to hold that misconception in

0:45:09a way that i can live with

0:45:10uh-huh because I know I mean I'm not

0:45:12that stupid i can look at the facts i

0:45:14can do the playback i can remember

0:45:16specific things i said i can remember

0:45:18like looking like some kind of

0:45:21supporting cast member in like a mafia

0:45:23movie even thinking that look cool and

0:45:26going that is that who you want to be

0:45:28like is that there's like five things

0:45:31about what I did there

0:45:32and this is not your parlance but mine

0:45:35it starts in that situation you describe

0:45:38the fire with if that were me in your

0:45:39position and very much could be it would

0:45:41be because my emotions went somewhere I

0:45:45didn't realize it

0:45:47I didn't catch it and the more my

0:45:50emotions got velcro into that situation

0:45:54the less chance I had of coming out of

0:45:57it looking like anything but like a

0:45:59complete dick because i was being a

0:46:01complete dick and to me that emotion

0:46:02thing is huge because like you just

0:46:04described now with now with however me

0:46:05for three four five seven days away from

0:46:07that you go oh we know what if I'd ask

0:46:09that guy you know the thing is it

0:46:11something oldest car in the world is

0:46:12that something is a favor if you that

0:46:14guy is in a position to get Milwaukee

0:46:15and and talk to moonbase alpha and find

0:46:18out if there's some way for you to get

0:46:19the stamp

0:46:20that's right and then you know he could

0:46:21he's probably empowered to do you a

0:46:23quiet favor that doesn't break the rule

0:46:26but he's he's absolutely not empowered

0:46:28because you know how it is like he just

0:46:29you just escalated with him

0:46:31the one thing that he is uniquely

0:46:33trained to deal with having been

0:46:35escalated

0:46:35yeah I turned to my car hit the

0:46:37precipitate turned to a crystal as soon

0:46:40as I applied sheet it's like it is it's

0:46:43a little bit like a cop or if you just

0:46:45seemed like a normal citizen you know if

0:46:47you seem like you've got a little bit of

0:46:48a buzz you might be able to work your

0:46:50way out of it but if you start not you

0:46:52but and probably hit some point but if

0:46:54you start screaming about how you know

0:46:56the district attorney you know you know

0:46:57you know Harvey Dent and you start

0:46:59yelling like that that is when the cop

0:47:02is going to flip in like the advisor is

0:47:04going to come down on the armor and

0:47:07that's it it now that we're in a

0:47:09different place though the funny thing

0:47:10is that i think it is rooted like the

0:47:12insecurity in me is rooted in a feeling

0:47:15that I that that there is this that

0:47:18there's little sline this this place

0:47:20always ahead of me always out of my

0:47:21reach

0:47:22where once i have accomplished enough

0:47:25once i am well known enough or acclaimed

0:47:28enough that i will be on the other side

0:47:29of this line

0:47:31and there will either be a helper there

0:47:33or things will be taken care of in

0:47:36advance or I will be recognized

0:47:38I will arrive and i will not have this

0:47:40problem but there are 32 to two things

0:47:44that I know about that one is well in

0:47:48this particular instance i'm standing

0:47:50out in front of this door arguing with

0:47:51this guy about my pass and standing four

0:47:56feet away are three former saturday

0:48:00night live cast members and two members

0:48:03of The Upright Citizens Brigade original

0:48:06cast all of whom also do not have the

0:48:11right pass and none of whom are and

0:48:15they're just standing there waiting for

0:48:18the next thing to happen like they also

0:48:22want to be through the door but they

0:48:25know their passes are wrong so they are

0:48:29and they're it's not like they're

0:48:31calling anybody there just waiting for

0:48:33somebody to go there waiting for the

0:48:36next thing to happen and they're they're

0:48:37talking to each other and their kind of

0:48:39watching me and in this moment i'm

0:48:43looking at them and say well yeah okay

0:48:46those people are like TV famous but this

0:48:50is my town and this is my god damn

0:48:53backstage door you know like i did not

0:48:57even recognize I I the fact that there

0:49:00were people from Saturday Night Live

0:49:03standing there also who could not get in

0:49:04the door meant nothing to me

0:49:06um and the reality is alec baldwin does

0:49:13this shit all the time

0:49:14Alec Baldwin who by all metrics has

0:49:20arrived is recognizable does have the

0:49:23money like it

0:49:25famous people all the time behave this

0:49:28way Mel Gibson and even celery entitled

0:49:33kind of don't you know who i am it's

0:49:34tough and Trump right when somebody asks

0:49:38them to put their ipad away on a phone

0:49:40or one some you know like when somebody

0:49:42says sir I think you've had an

0:49:44of red wine on this flight and they

0:49:47start throwing yogurt around the plane

0:49:48or the think there's some some friction

0:49:51introduced that they think that they

0:49:54feel is the not applicable to them it's

0:49:58like right at all more like friction for

0:50:00the rabble and I think what it would

0:50:02what that is evidence of is that

0:50:04somewhere inside Alec Baldwin there is

0:50:08this insecurity this feeling that he

0:50:10doesn't belong and that it is that it

0:50:13comes out in these miss this exact same

0:50:16expression which is just like what how

0:50:18dare you

0:50:20well it's i mean i-i I try to keep the

0:50:22show sophisticated but it's a it's you

0:50:25can't sit our lunch table that's what it

0:50:27is is that sets that feeling I mean I

0:50:28tell me I'm wrong but like that's

0:50:30exactly to me that's what the feeling is

0:50:32if i were to sit down and go through

0:50:33some Freudian analysis that's what it

0:50:35would end up at it would anything about

0:50:36some feeling of either like the sense of

0:50:39abandonment or when your little or a

0:50:42sense that that you know you thought

0:50:45that you thought that you were in but

0:50:48you weren't really in and then the pig's

0:50:50blood gets dumped on your head and and

0:50:52and so it with the clarity of a of not

0:50:57being on a not being on a a pasta roller

0:51:03coaster and I'm starting to kiss i'm

0:51:08starting to examine myself where I it in

0:51:12the sense that I the fog of war is

0:51:15starting to lift a little bit and I am I

0:51:19still feel just as a sailed i still feel

0:51:22that I still feel like westmoreland but

0:51:28I'm starting to also see that I am I am

0:51:32I mean I've always known that I was

0:51:34ridiculous but i'm starting to see how

0:51:36simple the ridiculousness is and that

0:51:40and that ultimately it's like am out an

0:51:44awful what an awful feeling but I mean

0:51:46it's a focal length problem where you're

0:51:48like oh my god that is the most

0:51:49incredible diorama train set I've ever

0:51:53seen and then it's like oh no it's a bet

0:51:55i'm sorry that's a nap

0:51:56billions is a picture out my hotel

0:51:59window of a street you're like oh fuck

0:52:02it's just but but actually like that

0:52:04since anybody's village

0:52:05yeah check that mean that's a relief in

0:52:08some ways because because reality is

0:52:10restored a little bit like a second ago

0:52:13you were amazed but you were amazed and

0:52:16and also it was a little scary that that

0:52:19someone would have that there are people

0:52:22out there so crazy and talented to have

0:52:24made a diorama of your city that looks

0:52:26so good and then you're like oh it's

0:52:28just a trick and I'm starting to

0:52:30starting to peel peel away some of the

0:52:32mind tricks I've been playing on myself

0:52:34and like but I but honestly I don't know

0:52:36what to do i am at war with so many of

0:52:39my friends and and honestly when I have

0:52:42to say when you and I started doing this

0:52:45podcast I was like oh my god I am so

0:52:48looking forward to this but it's

0:52:49probably gonna last a month because

0:52:51Merlin and i are going to get into a

0:52:52fight

0:52:53oh and then what will you know it wasn't

0:52:55it's not the craziest i-35 ever know but

0:52:58like that but you and I are both

0:53:00mercurial this was it this was an inner

0:53:02material here mercurial

0:53:05well this is the thing where we were

0:53:06going to surrounding town what the fuck

0:53:08you talking about

0:53:12I know and one of the you know and i

0:53:17think it's to our credit that we you

0:53:19know we have never let money intrude on

0:53:22the castle of st. John if we if we

0:53:24didn't do this we were yelling at chess

0:53:27pieces all the it's actually true but

0:53:29like so many of my of my close friends

0:53:31right now I'm like uh I he's against me

0:53:35and say why is he against you

0:53:37well because you didn't answer my texts

0:53:39well what did your text say well it said

0:53:43fuck off

0:53:45why would he answer it oh well he shows

0:53:49he should know what that means he should

0:53:51know that fuck off means high utilize

0:53:54your left but nature is coming

0:53:58no crazy crazy crazy crazy

0:54:01oh man this is so much as just get real

0:54:04man yeah so i think that you know i'm

0:54:06going to spend on the hob goodness it's

0:54:07basically the healing power of bacon

0:54:10I feel like I feel like a like I should

0:54:12go stand on the sidewalk in front of dan

0:54:14Benjamin's house in a white robe I think

0:54:20that would I think that would really

0:54:21freak him out

0:54:22chant his name i think it would be quick

0:54:24not doing they're saying dan and you

0:54:28said something in a video while you set

0:54:30it on stage while you're being videotape

0:54:32somebody asked you about a great line

0:54:35for picking up nerdy girls or something

0:54:37and he said something along the lines of

0:54:40I i haven't I i haven't i still havent

0:54:44assume my ultimate form right now is

0:54:47that from the Chicken McNugget video

0:54:48haha

0:54:50everybody got that no that's a that's a

0:54:53pokemon right

0:54:55have you seen that you can begin video

0:54:57no um can I spoil it for a little bit

0:55:00yeah like a security tape video is this

0:55:03got to be fake but i think my appeal a

0:55:06woman close to a woman goes to the

0:55:09drive-thru window at mcdonalds and it

0:55:11begins with her screaming at it at the

0:55:15person i think this is jermaine

0:55:17screaming at the person inside the

0:55:19sliding window about why the fuck they

0:55:21don't have chicken mcnuggets it he said

0:55:23they go ma'am is 1030am we don't have

0:55:26chicken mcnuggets right now and she she

0:55:29disagrees and says that they do have

0:55:30chicken mcnuggets she gets out she

0:55:32starts hitting the person she gets out

0:55:34of her car starts hitting the person

0:55:35screaming obscenities and saying all

0:55:37kinds of like crazy like lord of the

0:55:40rings shit are you know what she's

0:55:41talking about what she says don't make

0:55:43me assume my ultimate form

0:55:45uh-oh and then she breaks the window and

0:55:50you know hilarity ensues

0:55:51yeah yeah well that's it that's the same

0:55:54reference pokemon well or if not pokemon

0:55:57minutes like goku oh yeah that's where

0:56:02for lots of guys come on Lady a separate

0:56:04soccer now separate cause when you stick

0:56:08your sword in and twist it around like i

0:56:10said i don't think you have hentai haha

0:56:12weights i think that that's that when

0:56:14you type a schoolgirl no hentai is when

0:56:16a chicken chicken with the next next

0:56:18time

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