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Ep. 81: "It Tastes Like the Forest"

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0:00:0011 your girls are they on the pill don't

0:00:02ever say that word again

0:00:05[Music]

0:00:09hello agent

0:00:12hi Merlin has got good me too

0:00:22my my my breath is bad because of the

0:00:29because of the Atkins diet the change

0:00:35and so tacky tacky tacky to it because

0:00:39it's reflecting back off of my

0:00:41microphone

0:00:42haha no i'm talking into the microphone

0:00:44and then my breath is shooting back at

0:00:46me and it's not your typical like bad

0:00:49breath of someone who doesn't brush his

0:00:51teeth

0:00:51it's this other worldly bad breath

0:00:56I shouldn't ask but can you give me two

0:00:59there is a sourness or a international

0:01:01know it tastes it still tastes like the

0:01:04forest tastes like juniper and regret it

0:01:10tastes like if you took a spade and dug

0:01:14into the dirt of a forest floor not too

0:01:18deep

0:01:19it's a little soil early moments it's a

0:01:22little low me

0:01:23yeah it does it taste like it tastes

0:01:25like I've been eating racoon high and

0:01:29you didn't like the record you're not

0:01:30going to eat it I'm not gonna need a

0:01:31raccoon unless I absolutely have to but

0:01:33you you know this is the thing about

0:01:36grass-fed beef that a lot of people

0:01:39don't realize i make I'm transitioning

0:01:41now to all I'm going on the Portlandia

0:01:44diet I'm transitioning a over to only

0:01:48eating animals whose name I know that's

0:01:51so wise and the thing about animals that

0:01:54eat grass and natural foods and not you

0:01:59know corn and and other animals ground

0:02:03into corn AKA poison the thing about

0:02:06those animals is that they taste very

0:02:08gamey they taste like moose they taste

0:02:10right

0:02:11I started to wonder if I just got a bad

0:02:13load but I got some grass fed beef one

0:02:16time and

0:02:17it tasted like salmon to me right right

0:02:20it tasted wrong wrong off ya off but it

0:02:24isn't off that is the taste of cow that

0:02:27has been heating dandelions which is

0:02:31what they want

0:02:32huh and so I'm having to recalibrate my

0:02:35whole taste scenario because I'm like me

0:02:38beef up now i'm going to eat this

0:02:40healthy beef and it's like yes healthy

0:02:42beef tastes like a moroccan leather

0:02:47factory smells know if you've ever

0:02:52smelled a moroccan leather factory by

0:02:54the cologne but but it will put you off

0:02:57it will put you off your your food for a

0:03:00long time so it doesn't smell like

0:03:01Alexis it smells like cow

0:03:03it smells like it smells like cow that

0:03:06has been stripped with a bone tool and

0:03:10then like hung covered in flies outside

0:03:16of a Moroccan butcher shop we read that

0:03:19off a whole foods thing aren't you in

0:03:21the hot Sun this is what they're

0:03:23aspiring this me to taste like I have a

0:03:25metric in life it's a metric I lived up

0:03:27to every day but it's a you can call it

0:03:30laziness if you like but i think one

0:03:32good metric in life is like success can

0:03:35be money success can be famous success

0:03:37can be i think success as you get older

0:03:39is reducing the amount of complexity in

0:03:41your life so think about being young and

0:03:43like having have a whole bunch of jobs

0:03:45you don't like me can almost no money

0:03:47like one nice bit of getting a little

0:03:49older is you reduce the complexity of

0:03:51having one job that lets you pay your

0:03:53bills like that's you know it may sound

0:03:54kind of simplistic but the problem is

0:03:57like everything I look at obviously

0:04:00getting off meth is good because it

0:04:02reduces the complexity if you're

0:04:04traveling it can be hard to find good

0:04:05math racers it's true but like I said

0:04:08we're traveling but yes let's see that

0:04:10some people as they get older they go oh

0:04:13like it's not enough for me to have the

0:04:15ABC well brand of scotch

0:04:18now I've got to have the glenlivet

0:04:20excellent fish which is great and the

0:04:22tasty but then pretty soon you can't

0:04:24have a well brand anything again you

0:04:26become beer guy and I'm worried that if

0:04:28I improve my health

0:04:29and I mean I don't need as much junk

0:04:31food as i used because it doesn't make

0:04:33me feel bad to eat a lot of junk food as

0:04:35you're learning i guess but um but I

0:04:37worry that like if I get on that whole

0:04:39grass-fed thing i'm going to be paying

0:04:41like forty dollars a pound for something

0:04:43that tastes like Morocco yeah and then

0:04:46eventually get used to that you know

0:04:47what I mean yeah you had anything like

0:04:49your music club McLuhan your fear me

0:04:53I imagine I imagine for you maybe this

0:04:57is something like with your ears like

0:04:58you like you're very sensitive to sound

0:05:01but you'd like you know you you can't

0:05:03listen to bad sounding music you if you

0:05:06would probably not want to listen like a

0:05:07low quality mp3 for example right says

0:05:10it's similar because I mean like I don't

0:05:11mind that like I'm fine to rip it 320 or

0:05:14loss now and I do actually hear the

0:05:16difference even though I'm death which

0:05:17means that the hand side away from have

0:05:18to go to whole foods to get a burger you

0:05:20just hold up your phone on the on the

0:05:22muni just just click the volume button

0:05:26all the way up and like check it out

0:05:28blurred lines to do product if I hear

0:05:32that goddamn Macklemore song one more

0:05:34time he said nobody says and that's what

0:05:37I'm gonna most talented he notices a

0:05:39long series is he was his mom reminds

0:05:42him that he was into girls since before

0:05:44pre k I know now I was into girls before

0:05:48pre before pre pretty for before pre k I

0:05:52feel bad about macklemore because I the

0:05:55hometown boys right at your home team

0:05:57oh yeah and I like him personally I

0:05:58think he's a very nice guy and he is a

0:06:01super cool guy and and it's the classic

0:06:04thing seattle thing as he's coming up

0:06:06everybody's like oh my god local guide

0:06:09check him out he's like making it he's

0:06:10so cool and then as soon as he gets

0:06:12popular than all the hipsters are hating

0:06:15him and so I go to his video shoot the

0:06:17other day and i'm at the video shoot

0:06:19I like Macklemore I like him as a person

0:06:21I'm there to support him and I am doing

0:06:25my thing which is standing in a crowd

0:06:27full of young people and I am commenting

0:06:30on their territorial disappearance and

0:06:34their behavior and I'm like look at

0:06:36these young people they are almost human

0:06:39beings

0:06:40uh not quite but but

0:06:43are edging toward it and i'm reporting

0:06:45some of the things that that they are

0:06:46you know that they're saying in the

0:06:48crowd and I'm I'm just you know I'm

0:06:49having my usual light-hearted fun at

0:06:51other peoples expense these young people

0:06:54are dumb that this is a completely

0:06:57anonymous thing that I'm not you know

0:06:58it's not like i'm naming them except

0:07:01naming them in the general like young

0:07:03people are you doing this on the

0:07:04internet was doing it on the internet

0:07:06brother and then out of nowhere a

0:07:09booking agent from a local club a friend

0:07:11of mine a guy who is now in his

0:07:14mid-thirties and I think has always

0:07:17identified himself as a young person and

0:07:19now he's going through a little bit of

0:07:21an identity crisis he is he is realizing

0:07:24he's no longer young person but it

0:07:26doesn't know he's not an old person yet

0:07:28either he's 35 or something he's

0:07:29somewhere in this middle ground he

0:07:31doesn't clean at the reeds and he he

0:07:34sends a tweet at me where he says oh

0:07:37well at least you went to a thing that

0:07:40you hate to talk about it on the

0:07:43internet he said he said send me some

0:07:44systems you know kind of shitty tweet

0:07:47that was like that was trying to call me

0:07:50out for a for like being at this event

0:07:54and hating in quotes hating I was your

0:07:58being a player hate I was hatin hatin on

0:08:01the player and why did I go to the event

0:08:04if I was just there to hate was the

0:08:07implication of his kind of snarky tweet

0:08:09and I wrote back and I was like what the

0:08:11fuck are you talking about like first of

0:08:12all all any of us do all any of us have

0:08:16ever done is go to shows and snark like

0:08:20what the fuck if you want to take that

0:08:22from me you are depriving me of

0:08:24eighty-five percent of my culture and

0:08:26life stand in the back of the room of a

0:08:29band that you adore we're your friends

0:08:31with everybody in the band and in the

0:08:34show and what is there to do except

0:08:36snark about what people are wearing and

0:08:39what dummies they are like this is

0:08:41fundamental to my to my culture so i

0:08:47write back and I'm like what's your

0:08:48problem like get off my butt and he

0:08:51keeps he keeps at it like you know like

0:08:54a like

0:08:55won't get off of this idea and and and

0:08:59it felt very foreign felt very like it

0:09:02felt very like what the fuck is behind

0:09:05this

0:09:06you know what i mean and i we took it

0:09:09offline we were texting back and forth

0:09:11he wouldn't he wouldn't get off he kinda

0:09:13wouldn't get off this like righteous

0:09:15stance and it turned into a small very

0:09:19small but public feud between me and

0:09:21this guy we're of course other people in

0:09:25the town who is because Seattle is small

0:09:29and everybody's got a fucking opinion

0:09:30all these people get involved in any way

0:09:33the long and the short of it is the

0:09:35other day I go to macklemore's twitter

0:09:39page and Macklemore isn't following me

0:09:42anymore he used to follow me and now

0:09:45Macklemore unfollowed me again I

0:09:47Macklemore I can only guess that i

0:09:51unfollowed me because of something

0:09:52because I because i was being accused of

0:09:55being a hater at his video shoot and now

0:10:00now side there are some quadrants of

0:10:03seattle in which i am I Macklemore hater

0:10:07which I'm absolutely not

0:10:09wow that's acrobatic you know what I

0:10:11mean I'm a lover but now I'm in the

0:10:13position of you can you know you can't

0:10:15prove a negative i can't go out in the

0:10:17world and say hey Macklemore lover here

0:10:20coming through because it's just gonna

0:10:22be like see he's just hate more

0:10:25so anyway maybe he's just taking a break

0:10:28he's a busy guy

0:10:29yes true he's got he's he's you know

0:10:31he's he's got a lot going on but still I

0:10:33feel like very confusing sometimes when

0:10:36somebody and follows you it's fairly

0:10:38conspicuous he didn't make a point of it

0:10:40but it's like we should let me tweak

0:10:44tweak your apps

0:10:45yeah i'm going to just affect some very

0:10:48small changes would be nice but I tried

0:10:51all the numbers back to your earlier

0:10:52point yet grass there was a time there

0:10:56was a time where i did not have any keys

0:11:00the the guy this is when you were in

0:11:04living in the van when he was living in

0:11:06the yeah like what you have

0:11:07narrator something when I i was i was

0:11:09living in a ford aerostar in a carport

0:11:13and the Aerostar was plugged in by an

0:11:16extension cord to a battery charger to

0:11:20the house so that i could open the the

0:11:23back deck the lid of the trunk lid and

0:11:28that would cause the light to go on and

0:11:30I could read Stephen King novels

0:11:33well I was trying to sleep it's tricky

0:11:35was trying to sleep in this arrow star

0:11:37and at a certain point the owner of the

0:11:39house that was featuring the Aerostar

0:11:43said as your friend you've been living

0:11:47in my minivan my non-running minivan for

0:11:50too long i'm gonna have to ask you for

0:11:52my keys to my minivan but you know like

0:11:56my house keys basically and then I

0:11:59entered that realm where I had no keys

0:12:02and i remember when i when i rejoined

0:12:08the world I quit doing drugs I got a job

0:12:13and i got my first set of keys i got i

0:12:18got my own apartment again you know

0:12:20after sort of a long period of no place

0:12:23i got my own place and I got some keys

0:12:26and then I got I got a job and they gave

0:12:28me keys to my work and then I had keys

0:12:31on this ring and i was like i am that

0:12:34that was the point at which i was adding

0:12:36stuff to my life and every new key i got

0:12:40made me feel like more apart

0:12:43uh-huh every I mean I totally agree and

0:12:46to me like every key is a new obligation

0:12:50a new debt when can you start it

0:12:52take care of its nothin up there was a

0:12:54lot of responsibility can be good like

0:12:56if you want to be the captain of

0:12:57industry in your case eventually with

0:12:59you managed a you manage the bar you use

0:13:02like a manager at a bar right yeah i did

0:13:04the books and stuff and and eventually I

0:13:06he's John I was one of those guys those

0:13:08mid-nineties guys where I had a big

0:13:10chain and it had 35 keys on it and I was

0:13:15like what happened to me a few years ago

0:13:17I had zero keys then I had like four

0:13:20keys i felt good

0:13:21great now I have 40 keys i feel like

0:13:24shit isn't that weird and as you were

0:13:27saying at that right now Merlin you know

0:13:30what I did today I'm going through my

0:13:31closets

0:13:32I have too many tuxedos self-awareness

0:13:39John not so many levels

0:13:41I'm going through I'm going through my

0:13:42closet I'm like wait a minute i have i

0:13:45have multiple tuxedos and that is that's

0:13:49crazy i have you were the only 1i think

0:13:51you're the only one who didn't bitch

0:13:52about having to then rent a brown tuxedo

0:13:54you're at you will be a tuxedo man how

0:13:57many you got how many it roughly right

0:13:59being you know count you more than to

0:14:01get more than to have more than two

0:14:02tuxedos

0:14:03I have a I have a I have a midnight blue

0:14:05tuxedo I have a I have a you know your

0:14:08standard black tuxedo then I have a

0:14:10comedy black tuxedo just to say it's

0:14:15good it's tubing to go to the flowers

0:14:17say they currently so you can squirt

0:14:18people with your flower girl but it's

0:14:20like a tuxedo the Charles Nelson Reilly

0:14:21on and uh you know celebrity match game

0:14:27or something like its experience of life

0:14:28match game after talk

0:14:30it's a laugh tuxedo because it's got big

0:14:32wide lapels and but it's a it was at in

0:14:35its day it was a beautiful tuxedo still

0:14:37is a nice tuxedo it's just stated she

0:14:39was nineteen seventy-two yeah it's just

0:14:41unfashionably cut okay and then I have a

0:14:44couple of white dinner jacket says one

0:14:46goes with some with some uh you know

0:14:48matching black the tuxedo pants and all

0:14:53that wouldn't be such a handsome look on

0:14:55you

0:14:55it's very nice that I have that boy if

0:14:57you can go with you know what I'm

0:14:59starting on the interactive what's a

0:15:00white so so black identity called a

0:15:02dinner jacket like if you wear like a

0:15:04tuxedo at night you where you are the

0:15:06black you know where the tails unless

0:15:07you're fucking jiminy cricket but I

0:15:09don't know why everyone again afternoon

0:15:11or evening when you wear a white tuxedo

0:15:13well there's some contention among the

0:15:16the male fashion people about the

0:15:19appropriateness of a white dinner jacket

0:15:20some people say that it is only for the

0:15:23tropics

0:15:25so we're gonna let James Bond kind of

0:15:27exactly you're wearing the white dinner

0:15:28jacket if you are at a casino in Bimini

0:15:32or in a curse al at Seattle is not in

0:15:38the tropics and so one could argue and I

0:15:41think people do argue that there's no

0:15:42time at which it's appropriate to wear

0:15:44white dinner jacket in seattle not even

0:15:47if you were in the Navy but you know as

0:15:51part of my job i'm often on cruise ships

0:15:53now and cruise ships gobo go into the

0:15:58tropics and so I feel like clinically

0:15:59you're not there as a mixologist there

0:16:02there's an entertainer and volleyball

0:16:06yeah i mean the joco Cruz was the first

0:16:08of these cruises that Jonathan Coulton

0:16:10crews and now I'm going on another

0:16:11cruise this fall that the the jesse

0:16:13thorn is the maximum fun group so

0:16:16cruising now is a part of my lifestyle

0:16:18and now i have other and i already had a

0:16:21white dinner jacket and now i have a

0:16:23second white energy and I'm so anyway

0:16:26like at exactly as you're saying i have

0:16:29gone from living in a minivan to having

0:16:32too many tuxedos and I'm afraid that i

0:16:36am afraid that if I don't do something

0:16:38if I don't arrest this trajectory I'm

0:16:42going to be I'm going to drown in

0:16:44tuxedos

0:16:46that's the last thing you'll see is my

0:16:48hand sticking up out of a pile of

0:16:51ever-growing tuxedos and then I'll

0:16:52because it's just a small notice in the

0:16:55local paper look at local musician found

0:16:57dead under a pile of ironic c/o holding

0:17:03as I go down holding a bottle of 12 year

0:17:05old single malt scotch that you like

0:17:07anything to drink

0:17:08leave it yeah I don't want to sound like

0:17:12too much of it

0:17:13hipster faker if I were wealthy man i

0:17:16might have a different feeling about

0:17:17this but you know my my keyring you see

0:17:20my keyring yeah I have two keys

0:17:22yeah the key to my house whenever key to

0:17:24my office smart yeah and and a you know

0:17:28if I need the car key i grab the car key

0:17:29but I don't carry that around it's like

0:17:32it puts holes in your pockets tool and

0:17:34you see these people walking around now

0:17:35you probably have like you look at you

0:17:37have

0:17:3821 modern car have you seen modern car

0:17:40keys I mean they're the size of like a

0:17:42like a like a box of like fireplace

0:17:45matches sure I breakfast

0:17:47yeah I've rented one and and

0:17:48increasingly now you just put the key in

0:17:51the proximity of the car and and the car

0:17:54just knows it to you because I'm musk I

0:17:57in fact that i have to do is get

0:17:58somewhere near it just feels you on

0:18:00moscow city

0:18:02he he put you put biometrics in it

0:18:05that's right that's right that was that

0:18:06was his addition I don't know I i could

0:18:09have more i can get more stuff but you

0:18:10know I it sounds like such a stupid like

0:18:13punk rock thing to say but like you know

0:18:15whenever I i think we said this before

0:18:17but like I feel like when I see somebody

0:18:19who not only has a lot of keys but like

0:18:21has a lot of keys that they want

0:18:23everybody to see like I just see like a

0:18:26security guard

0:18:27yeah icic somebody who's like gotta get

0:18:30I mean I that sounds silly but I mean

0:18:32like I wonder how many of those keys

0:18:33actually go to anything do you really

0:18:35need all of them all the time

0:18:36yes trying to beach there trying to be

0:18:38Schneider from one day at a time

0:18:40oh now that was a good look wasn't he

0:18:42was using a cosplay Snyder you know he

0:18:46was a slim guy but increasingly why is

0:18:49that girl today that was off digging it

0:18:51was a great effect

0:18:52oh i know i like is often girl off to

0:18:55the soft black yeah i see but here's the

0:19:01thing this is this is where it all ties

0:19:02together though is we should get back to

0:19:04the tuxedos probably but it was all of

0:19:06those things I think you have to ask

0:19:07yourself something I say to my kids

0:19:08sometimes when you're thinking about you

0:19:10Jason Kidd Michael my kids when you're

0:19:13thinking about your work you know you

0:19:15get to those crossroads with your work

0:19:17with your life and i think one

0:19:18rhetorical question to quietly ask your

0:19:21mind is what I want ten times more of

0:19:24like if you if you're being treated a

0:19:26certain way by an employer imagine

0:19:29yourself staying there for wildwood you

0:19:30want ten times more of that was like 10

0:19:32times more of work later you know your

0:19:34own multiplier but you know I I think

0:19:37like okay do I want what complexity do i

0:19:41want to add like you know like I just

0:19:43listened to an interview out bob was

0:19:45interviewing this guy from PETA and

0:19:47talking about like he brought up this

0:19:48very basic things like when you travel

0:19:50you gotta get your wheat bread you gotta

0:19:51get your avocado

0:19:52guys like it's not really all that hard

0:19:53and I'm like well maybe travel as much

0:19:55as i do like it's hard you know III it's

0:19:58hard enough not to get something that

0:20:00didn't fall out of a machine

0:20:02mhm you know what i mean and i guess i

0:20:04just think about like what what I want

0:20:06to make a key coming back to math John

0:20:08yes you do it seems like one of the hard

0:20:11parts about being addicted to drugs and

0:20:13generally if you're addicted to

0:20:14cigarettes like worst-case scenario that

0:20:17you can buy cigarettes a lot of places

0:20:19yes you just talk a whole lot of places

0:20:21like if the trend a you might be out of

0:20:23luck but like you know if you've got a

0:20:25score heroin like that's you're gonna

0:20:27have to trust some people and it might

0:20:29take a few minutes

0:20:30yeah that that's true but but also if

0:20:35you are if you are in the heroine buying

0:20:38subculture you are you know what like it

0:20:43seems to us that it is easy to get

0:20:46cigarettes because because we're living

0:20:49in the in the in the culture of where

0:20:53we're living in a culture where however

0:20:54much eight dollars for a pack of

0:20:56cigarettes is not too much and we are

0:21:00welcome in stores but there are people

0:21:02you know a surprising number of people

0:21:05for whom getting a pack of cigarettes is

0:21:08a challenge and if you are living in a

0:21:11heroine world you would be surprised you

0:21:16that you could travel from town to town

0:21:18and you're right you're you still are

0:21:21going to have to like put in some

0:21:23legwork but if you plan ahead you can

0:21:25make some calls

0:21:26ok whereas with cigarettes you might

0:21:28just be out of luck I'm just saying like

0:21:29the more stuff that you think about this

0:21:31like I think everybody can ask

0:21:33themselves like what are they worried

0:21:35they won't be able to do or get once the

0:21:38wheels hit the ground right and that

0:21:41could be a drink that could be weed that

0:21:44could be a handjob

0:21:45I'm afraid that people live in a and you

0:21:48know this is a like this is the thing

0:21:50that I started to worry about a little

0:21:51bit the the

0:21:52that that I think in terms of other

0:21:55people too much

0:21:58not that I'm thinking about other people

0:22:00but that I think in terms of other

0:22:02people like you are

0:22:04it sounds like based on some previous

0:22:05conversations you do a you're doing a

0:22:08little bit more sort of pre-filtering

0:22:10like he seems like he's more stuff where

0:22:12you kind of like filter it through a

0:22:14notional point of view

0:22:16yeah right and and and and so I feel

0:22:19tradition i feel typically that other

0:22:22people more or less cannot live without

0:22:26their crutches and their crutches are

0:22:29ridiculous or or the that there are a

0:22:33lot of their crutches that people like

0:22:35going to full-on like like clawing the

0:22:39earth panic mode because they can't get

0:22:42I mean you know you you

0:22:43we've all been through it yeah i've been

0:22:45i've been traveling with people where

0:22:47they didn't have their they they forgot

0:22:49their pillow you know they brought their

0:22:50pillow with them on the trip skills a

0:22:52kid with their stuffy

0:22:54yeah that's why we're almost done if you

0:22:56left that on the plane like it's it's

0:22:57game over

0:22:58it's game over and that but we're

0:22:59talking about a thirty-year-old

0:23:00personality menthol cigarettes let alone

0:23:02menthol cigarettes right or let alone

0:23:05you know food and drink people get

0:23:07attached two pillows it's true but I'm

0:23:09stop but I'm trying to stop thinking in

0:23:11terms of other people in that way or

0:23:14like as a as a you know as a a prism to

0:23:22try and like break out all the different

0:23:25colors of my own thought and and just

0:23:28start kind of trying to try to stay more

0:23:31stable more focused on what am I

0:23:34thinking like I think your thing is your

0:23:36idea is brilliant like what do I want

0:23:38ten times more I i well i was i was

0:23:41going to say it before you started

0:23:42publicly agreeing with me but I think

0:23:43that's a good way to be honestly have a

0:23:46car here but I i think i think boy

0:23:48anybody getting I mean like yours when

0:23:52you start becoming dependent on what

0:23:54anybody else thinks you're a little bit

0:23:55fucked

0:23:56well so the weird thing about this this

0:23:59this Atkins because i have no you know

0:24:01I've never gone on a diet before but

0:24:03that the only reason I think this is it

0:24:05not a leopard traditional ties well sure

0:24:08I mean it's not easy and forget if you

0:24:10took some graph paper in HB pencil

0:24:12you've been on some extremely

0:24:14interesting inconsistent diets it's true

0:24:16it's true and one could argue that

0:24:17walking six months in one direction is a

0:24:20kind of joint as a kind of diet

0:24:21yeah but I but this is the first time

0:24:25that I have in my entire life Hadfield

0:24:2744 years old my mind fully like

0:24:30consciously said I'm going to make this

0:24:31kind of a change in my intern right

0:24:33right because up until now i have always

0:24:36preferred to feel like i am as God made

0:24:40me and he and throw what you have at me

0:24:44and I will and I will consume it and i

0:24:47will pick up salad i forgot throws it i

0:24:50will make poo out of anything and now

0:24:56I'm you know I'm concentrating on this

0:24:58and I you know I did not weigh myself i

0:25:00have not weighed myself because the

0:25:01point that the point of this exercise

0:25:04for me is to is really to go through a

0:25:07door make a transition into a new way of

0:25:11thinking which isn't a diet is a little

0:25:15bit of a misnomer read a diet is this

0:25:16thing the crazy people do for bikini

0:25:18season but you sound like you're trying

0:25:20to do something more different it's a

0:25:22it's a thought technology right it is a

0:25:25detective mindfulness yes that I am

0:25:28constantly on and now i am extending

0:25:30that that Truman Show bubble to include

0:25:33also the things that I eat and what is

0:25:38astonishing is that I actually feel that

0:25:44I have stepped off a rollercoaster like

0:25:49I do not in I do not enjoy eating this

0:25:52way there is no you know there is no fun

0:25:55in it that the second time I went into a

0:25:57restaurant and order to double cheese

0:25:59burger with no bun and SAT and ate it

0:26:02out of a out of styrofoam container with

0:26:04a plastic knife and fork high resolution

0:26:07life felt yeah I felt like somebody had

0:26:10taken my shoelaces because they were

0:26:13worried I was going to hang myself in my

0:26:14prison cell like it was I was like what

0:26:17what has become of me like I ordered and

0:26:19the person by the cash register was like

0:26:21there's another one to take you know

0:26:23like the new out the new know how to

0:26:24throw up to two burger patties but i

0:26:28don't i don't necessarily enjoy it but

0:26:30this this fog that I felt like has been

0:26:34on me for years

0:26:37dislike this up-and-down up-and-down

0:26:40kind of crazy crazy energy fluctuations

0:26:45is is gone in two weeks I just I just I

0:26:50just have this steady amount of energy

0:26:53all day long i do not have not taken a

0:26:57nap in the last two weeks or in the last

0:27:0110 days and no nap

0:27:04I mean a nap is like that's the whole

0:27:08reason I get up in the morning is to

0:27:10start looking forward to the nap in the

0:27:11afternoon right and now it's just like I

0:27:13just

0:27:14it sounds like your sugar is stabilized

0:27:16I'm not peeking i'm not i'm not i don't

0:27:19feel like I'm drowning anymore under

0:27:21exhaustion and I'm just puttering along

0:27:25and it's like and this is just I'm not

0:27:28even really taking care of myself i'm

0:27:30just eating well you know one step at a

0:27:32time one step at a time right

0:27:34that's you know that's part of that I

0:27:36don't think you're only probably guilty

0:27:38of this i know i have been is that kind

0:27:39of black and white thinking again

0:27:41thinking of the PETA thing well you know

0:27:43if I can't get rid of every conceivable

0:27:45animal product in my life I should

0:27:47probably keep torturing animals like

0:27:48that that Cesaro internet thinking that

0:27:50people go through like the idea of

0:27:52hypocrisy that makes people just be

0:27:54permanently stuck in like in silly

0:27:56mediocrity

0:27:57but you know i mean take stones i take

0:27:59stones from being like I could give a

0:28:01fuck about this like I'm going to give a

0:28:03little bit of the fuck about this

0:28:04yeah a little right and and and not and

0:28:07not get all I'm not getting all crazy on

0:28:09myself i'm not i didn't like go into my

0:28:11freezer and and start to like the

0:28:15throwing out all the Brooklyn yeah

0:28:18throwing all the popsicles on a bonfire

0:28:20in the backyard under a giant golden

0:28:22eagle evangelizing no I mean only only

0:28:26so much only so much as you and I have

0:28:28not talked about it a couple times

0:28:30that a is even then I feel awkward

0:28:34except that I i feel like something

0:28:36somehow you and I are past the point of

0:28:38even trying not to you know bore the

0:28:42shit out of people were just where we

0:28:44are devoted to this cause i'm talking

0:28:49about arpu food Hitler Hitler a little

0:28:53bit of Hitler belgium comes up some now

0:28:56and again I gotta learn more about

0:28:58Belgium you know it's a fascinating

0:29:00country i'm very happy to hear this

0:29:02I i fell off the wagon with the eating

0:29:05better in the last few weeks you know

0:29:07its application stuff and started

0:29:10kindergarten today so things have been a

0:29:12little bit crazy but I'm gonna get back

0:29:14into it because I remember that feeling

0:29:16yeah and there's this one very hard to

0:29:20be doing another podcast here but

0:29:21there's something I've said a lot that i

0:29:23really believe which is like once you

0:29:24lose 30 pounds like potato chips don't

0:29:27look as good right and the only reason i

0:29:29can say that with such authority

0:29:31I mean honestly to me was french fries

0:29:32like the only reason i can say that with

0:29:34authority is because i went from 36 to

0:29:3733 and I really felt the difference you

0:29:40know I I mean the thing is I when I walk

0:29:43up the hill and I have to carry my

0:29:44daughter I sometimes think when she was

0:29:46younger I would think wow this this was

0:29:47me everyday

0:29:48yeah like I used to have to carry like a

0:29:50small person when I walked up you know a

0:29:5320-degree hill or whatever it was just

0:29:55one person one person that was clutching

0:29:57at your intestinal please check if she's

0:30:00awake she could grab on

0:30:01but like now is that extra little person

0:30:03was a little bit of me and like it boy

0:30:05ok I just you know let's rewind for just

0:30:09a second did you say today was her first

0:30:11day of kindergarten

0:30:12yeah Mike pretty big deal

0:30:16wow yeah it was a it was you

0:30:19yeah anyway hey you know what we're

0:30:20doing nothing just wasn't what was their

0:30:23coloring and stuff was it was it fine

0:30:25when she okay to go to school I i love

0:30:28her school but you know don't get me

0:30:31started on institutions you know I just

0:30:33this is what I'm worried about because

0:30:34where we are investigating we have

0:30:36joined a co-op that's a week we didn't

0:30:38call for three years my doctor today are

0:30:40my uh my daughter to post doc

0:30:42that her preschool well so they do next

0:30:44year yeah they sent out an email and

0:30:46they were like we need we need people we

0:30:50need sunshine helpers we need what did

0:30:55they want

0:30:56okay I'm just gonna brace yourself

0:30:58because you think you if you think you

0:31:00been experiencing it

0:31:01sorry is that never by eight if you've

0:31:03been living in that kind of you know

0:31:05weird parenting bubble get ready because

0:31:08it's gonna be so much of your

0:31:09personality you're just gonna have to

0:31:11let go of when you're around a lot of

0:31:12places i mean we have to select through

0:31:15so many discussions that are very poorly

0:31:18organized there's going to be a lot of

0:31:20forms that could have been laid out a

0:31:21lot better

0:31:22there's a lot of signs with you know bad

0:31:25punctuation and typography comic sounds

0:31:27comic sans or like there's the one the

0:31:31one that my daughter's teacher uses just

0:31:32it's it's not it's not pathetic is not

0:31:36aerial it's kind of a stylized like you

0:31:39know future up meats like a stork it's

0:31:42just me but no I i suffered under that

0:31:45and also I think there's a lot of hazing

0:31:47I think that people who are very

0:31:48comfortable being like a suburban mom or

0:31:51dad and they take it out on people like

0:31:52you and me

0:31:53yeah we're just gonna not was not

0:31:55totally like hipster tattoo doofuses

0:31:58with barbells in their nose but we're

0:32:00also not like wearing-- castle loafers

0:32:02like we are the Forgotten men i I'll i

0:32:08want to i want to be on the board of

0:32:10directors just because just because it's

0:32:13obvious cuz that's where I belong you

0:32:15should have a coup and then very shortly

0:32:17after that become the you know just like

0:32:19either eliminate the board of directors

0:32:21or making it right there with you know

0:32:25the coop chats kick ya put it put it up

0:32:28to a vote that there that that there

0:32:30should be that all board board of

0:32:32directors are equal except some are more

0:32:35equal than others

0:32:36maybe you should does stage like arson

0:32:38of the art room

0:32:40well with other people is just just like

0:32:43it's like your own personal personal

0:32:45rights dog icepick the the assistant

0:32:48teacher what I'm what I'm afraid of

0:32:51is everything I am absolutely one

0:32:54hundred percent afraid of being in a

0:32:58position of well basically having to

0:33:02subjugate myself to the Borg it's so i

0:33:10found it i have no one to talk to about

0:33:12this i found it's so difficult

0:33:15it made me realize i'm not saying this

0:33:16is you but me and made me realize how

0:33:18much of a man-child i am in some ways

0:33:20like I'm so used to like I I don't like

0:33:25having to like it should be fucking

0:33:2740-some years to get to where I like I

0:33:29don't hate my personality and so I think

0:33:32I'm almost like out of this Merlin

0:33:33closet or like I just I I'm very

0:33:35reluctant to go gently into someone

0:33:38else's goodnight right now you ever let

0:33:41me hear you roar

0:33:42well I don't have to be like I don't

0:33:43have to be a cock don't have to always

0:33:44be the center of attention but at the

0:33:46same time there's like there's just

0:33:47there's a lot of times when I've had to

0:33:49go like okay I've worked on my own for a

0:33:50lot of years I've had gotten to be like

0:33:53whatever it is that i am for a lot of

0:33:55years and there's times when you're the

0:33:57first meeting at my daughter's co-op

0:33:58school which was i I mean like I will I

0:34:01can't imagine my daughter ever going to

0:34:02another school is great as her co-op

0:34:03school weekend my wife mostly work there

0:34:05I work there

0:34:06it's great it's great gig it's so much

0:34:08less expensive than like a regular like

0:34:10you know penitentiary style Driscoll

0:34:14because you're there you're it's it's a

0:34:15great way to watch your kid get better

0:34:16at being a kid but and you learn to

0:34:18watercolor again but you know it's also

0:34:21it's cool because like the people there

0:34:23who are dicks have a stake in it like

0:34:25there are people who still want to like

0:34:26just drop the kids off and drive away

0:34:28but there's a lot of people there who

0:34:29were there because they believe in the

0:34:30school they believe what's going on

0:34:32you can take that too far and like

0:34:33heaven some of these schools they make

0:34:35you read a book before you can go there

0:34:36like they have like I too was a temp

0:34:39homocysteine out a persuasive theory

0:34:42like the HP this place has a different

0:34:45like philosophy but the I don't want to

0:34:48have my commitment to smart sparkle

0:34:50motion doubt it

0:34:51no no no butBut you know but here's the

0:34:53thing it the first thing that well two

0:34:56things from just quickly in this case

0:34:58first of all that like how much I showed

0:35:01up feeling like of course i always feel

0:35:02like the worst father in the world no

0:35:03matter where i go i'm always liked my

0:35:05gosh there's so many things I could be

0:35:06doing so much better but I got there

0:35:08kidding me

0:35:08do you honestly feel that way yeah and

0:35:11and I got there anything like two

0:35:12minutes i felt like i was a student

0:35:14council meeting because it was it was

0:35:16like but at the greatest school in the

0:35:17world was like the people who like where

0:35:20the you know as you say that the board

0:35:21of directors or whatever like the people

0:35:22who were like the head of the

0:35:24three-year-olds group the four-year-old

0:35:25trip it was just like student council

0:35:27and it was it was like this weird but

0:35:29not popularity contest but there are

0:35:31some people who cared so intensely about

0:35:33governing like you know whether you had

0:35:35to wear shoes in the bike area or

0:35:37whatever and second the first meeting I

0:35:39ever want to at this school the greatest

0:35:41of all schools they talked about the

0:35:43problem of chicken poop for 25 minutes

0:35:47because this one is for chicken to run

0:35:49around IC and apparently one of the moms

0:35:52was pretty upset because some of the

0:35:54chicken matter had gotten on to her

0:35:57child's shoe and that came into the

0:35:59house and that led to a larger

0:36:00discussion of just sanitation in general

0:36:02and like should we even have chickens it

0:36:04off we have chickens

0:36:05should there be somebody who's

0:36:06monitoring the the chicken area more

0:36:08closely right and you know your question

0:36:11that's like that i think it's attributed

0:36:12to Kissinger you know start to go

0:36:14through your head you know the stakes

0:36:15are some steaks for supper but you know

0:36:17but but I'm sorry I'm going on but I

0:36:20want the big pattern here is like for me

0:36:22it's one thing to sit around and poison

0:36:25my daughter's mind with with comics but

0:36:28like then i have to go up and be around

0:36:29other people and even like the coolest

0:36:30people in the world I feel like I'm

0:36:32always like I it's pushing me forward

0:36:35because now like my all of my failures

0:36:37exposed all these people and but that I

0:36:40would not trade that experience for the

0:36:41world

0:36:42I mean it was you know a you know what

0:36:45is the last thing on this it's like it's

0:36:47like hiring a doula or it is like

0:36:50finding a psychiatrist

0:36:52it is like finding a mate like don't

0:36:56start with the role like start with

0:36:58finding somebody that you like like

0:36:59we're gonna find a school that you like

0:37:01before you find a school

0:37:02you got a problem is the problem with

0:37:04that Merlin is that I rejected the idea

0:37:06of a doula

0:37:07and why we please talk to liz its

0:37:10endpoint and I reject the idea of a

0:37:12psychiatrist and I and I'm for education

0:37:17really have not have not fully embraced

0:37:20the idea of finding a mate

0:37:22what about chickens got a thought and I

0:37:24don't have chickens don't everybody

0:37:26don't have heritage chickens and

0:37:28everybody comes over to my house says

0:37:29you have a barn every year everybody in

0:37:31the city is buying chickens

0:37:34you're the only guy that has that

0:37:35actually has a barn

0:37:37why don't you have chickens and I'm like

0:37:38right because chickens because why do

0:37:41you need fucking chickens right exactly

0:37:43except my legs really show up and within

0:37:45it within a month like you get your

0:37:47tattoo you get your fixie and get two

0:37:49chickens

0:37:49well here's I feel like a weird but I

0:37:51feel about the chicken you have is

0:37:53chicken or chicken that thing they're

0:37:54chickens are huge and everything

0:37:55everywhere

0:37:56okay what what I feel about the chickens

0:37:58and the and the organic farming both of

0:38:01which things I am encouraged by every

0:38:03person who comes here to embark upon

0:38:06like why aren't you

0:38:08I looks like a little suggestion box for

0:38:10John's house why are things I can't

0:38:11believe John is an icy winds our why

0:38:14don't you make why don't you build a big

0:38:16organic garden and what I realize about

0:38:18those things that is that those are

0:38:20mating rituals that you once you and

0:38:24your partner have exhausted all of the

0:38:28episodic television and you are staring

0:38:30across the breakfast table at one

0:38:32another and contemplating being together

0:38:35for decades and you realize like I don't

0:38:41want to be like my parents I don't want

0:38:42to be like my grandparents what are we

0:38:43going to do you embark upon a mutual

0:38:46project like starting a garden where you

0:38:49are now going to eat out of this garden

0:38:51it's a merry old time

0:38:53but it's really a way of it's a it's a

0:38:57way of of stitching your relationship

0:39:00together with a kind of mutual you know

0:39:04like here are values in bright red tape

0:39:08and we're living our were walking our

0:39:11talk and we're living our life together

0:39:13and for me as a bachelor the idea of

0:39:16going out and killing a little organic

0:39:18garden for myself again feels like a

0:39:22prison activity take think they take

0:39:25your shoelaces the way they give you to

0:39:26hamburger patties with cheese in a

0:39:28styrofoam bucket and then you've got

0:39:30like your six-by-eight plot and you're

0:39:34out there you're out there trying to

0:39:36keep the rabbits out of your letters and

0:39:39that's what keeps you

0:39:40let's do you remember thinking

0:39:42everybody's like in college like I would

0:39:44meet i would meet a lady and like we

0:39:47would just sit and get going to like you

0:39:49know like if you leave the party you'd

0:39:52be xing it go to like an abandoned

0:39:54classroom and you could talk for 18

0:39:56hours just talking just talk about

0:39:57whatever talk about the flintstones

0:39:58whatever she fly her forehead on your

0:40:00shoes it be in the dark you like quite a

0:40:03thing yet it was just a kind of talking

0:40:06about whatever he's talking about

0:40:07whatever man whatever its just oh my god

0:40:10you too

0:40:10oh my god and then you need projects

0:40:13when you get older and let's be honest

0:40:14the biggest project is a kid right now i

0:40:16have somebody that this is probably a

0:40:18very old cliché it's probably like you

0:40:19know like a more solid joke or something

0:40:20but like you know when you will run out

0:40:22of things to talk to somebody like

0:40:25that's when the words will you marry me

0:40:26right well your mouth and and all you

0:40:29have to do is go to an ikea on a

0:40:30Saturday afternoon and you're seeing all

0:40:33the people better that are either right

0:40:35before that or were right in the heart

0:40:37of its projects projects project just

0:40:39you know she's a she's pushing the cart

0:40:41and he is kind of walking along beside

0:40:44and they are just picking out storage

0:40:46solutions is wondering what Swedish for

0:40:48ricin and and for me like I did not I

0:40:53did not escape it

0:40:55i but i but i but I went through a lot

0:40:58of those sort of as solo like I built a

0:41:04nest for myself here unconscious

0:41:06that that's really what i was doing and

0:41:08I did it all by myself so that my house

0:41:11looks like uh hunting lodge that that

0:41:16where someone set off a grandma bomb but

0:41:20there's also there's no and they pick up

0:41:21what are you thinking of course right

0:41:23not gonna put that there what are you

0:41:24doing right there is no one but by the

0:41:26time anyone could have said seven

0:41:29different mismatched plays paisley

0:41:32patterns is not a style it is a mind

0:41:37riot by the time anybody could have said

0:41:39that to me it was too late

0:41:41yeah and they all they could do was

0:41:42stand there with their hands on their

0:41:43hips and go wow amazing and I'm like I

0:41:46know right kind of kind of like kind of

0:41:49like tripping out isn't it

0:41:51go ahead sit on the couch if you can

0:41:52find the couch part so so I'm kind of

0:41:57now going through this idea i had not

0:41:59thought of it this way i really had nine

0:42:01there was nobody to keep me from buying

0:42:0410 copies of The Adventures of

0:42:06Huckleberry Finn because i was afraid

0:42:08that it was gonna get banned and I was

0:42:11gonna have the last stash of them to

0:42:13hand out to people on the street there

0:42:15was no one to stop me from decorating my

0:42:19house with amplifiers and I have built a

0:42:23nest you're there John I really am and I

0:42:26know you're like Michael you're like

0:42:27Berkeley I don't love everything you do

0:42:29but I'm so glad you're there

0:42:30haha but the but the problem is that now

0:42:34I have built a nest and now i have a

0:42:36child and I am that and the child's

0:42:38mother and I are very close and we live

0:42:41in a very kind of communal atmosphere it

0:42:44you know in a way is everything that I

0:42:47if you had asked me 10 years ago like

0:42:50how I imagined it

0:42:52it is that it has happened but but i

0:42:56have i've maintained so much of my own

0:42:58like I kept my my back

0:43:07up my castle and now i'm now i'm in the

0:43:11in this castle and I feel a little

0:43:14ridiculous like that the castle grounds

0:43:17are all being guarded by other yeah

0:43:18that's the pre-filter John you should

0:43:20not feel ridiculous way I'm standing up

0:43:23here with my flag

0:43:25you know I have a collection of flags

0:43:26yeah and and i realized today because

0:43:29our our good friend cat Miriam yeah so I

0:43:36my friend of the show and the show I

0:43:38think she might whenever I have around

0:43:40the city but I think she might be our uh

0:43:41amongst other things are official

0:43:43statistician well I and anna and I'm

0:43:46beginning to feel like chief archivist

0:43:47but-but-but so I post a picture of a

0:43:52jacket that i have that i thought was

0:43:54like a vintage could you donate Navy

0:43:58officers code like it's clearly a

0:44:00captain's jacket I thought maybe like

0:44:03french coast guard auxiliary I wasn't

0:44:06sure but I posted a picture of this i

0:44:08was trying to crowdsource wear this

0:44:10jacket was from and I got your usual

0:44:13snarky answers from everybody and then I

0:44:17that and then some legit fucking

0:44:20question some legit tries people were

0:44:22like I don't believe that's an American

0:44:23and I was like well right but what is it

0:44:26and it was like not US military there

0:44:28were some people taking some stabs at it

0:44:29and then she comes in out of the blue

0:44:32with a link to the this exact jacket and

0:44:37I didn't even post a whole picture but i

0:44:39just posted a picture of the sleeve

0:44:40she's good she has the entire jacket and

0:44:42it is a yacht club Commodore retired

0:44:48dress blues and I was like so close and

0:44:55yet so far

0:44:55how did this how did this fight I mean

0:44:58it's like I want wherever I got this

0:45:00jacket

0:45:00it must have it must have crawled out of

0:45:04the truck and situated itself on top of

0:45:07an of a rafter and as I was walking by

0:45:09it left we got yacht club Commodore

0:45:13common tired ret

0:45:15right okay former Commodores so there's

0:45:19a current company for the current

0:45:20Commodore of the yacht club he wears a

0:45:23different coat

0:45:24ok this is this is the the former the

0:45:28former Commodore if once once a comment

0:45:31or always a comedy ask marine so it once

0:45:34you have been the Commodore of your

0:45:35yacht club you graduate you are always

0:45:37able to wear this gentleman door and

0:45:39there is America's which is a fantastic

0:45:41it's a fantastic code and and so then

0:45:45i'm online i am researching yacht club

0:45:48literally typing its greatness be fired

0:45:52yacht club Commodore yacht club

0:45:54Commodore former right um and I'm so I'm

0:45:59now i'm in this yacht club world i had

0:46:00no idea that members of yacht clubs had

0:46:02ranks there's an entire ranking system

0:46:04as as as like elaborate and bizarre as

0:46:10the as the very essence of congolese

0:46:14navy or whatever it's got let you know

0:46:16you could you can you can be a bosun's

0:46:18mate it the yacht club anyway I'm i'm

0:46:22flipping through this and all of a

0:46:23sudden I see these flags which I've had

0:46:26I have a flag with a giant acorn on it

0:46:29and a flag with crossed feathers on it

0:46:32and I've had them for a long time I

0:46:35their part of my collection of flags and

0:46:39I learned in on this website that the

0:46:42acorn is the flag that you fly from your

0:46:44yacht if you are the treasurer of the ox

0:46:480 because the treasure is collecting

0:46:52acorns for the this is international or

0:46:56mean if you are a yacht club in but this

0:46:57is this is in a book somewhere this is

0:46:59codified yeah right and the cross

0:47:01feathers of course is the Secretary of

0:47:04the yacht club so i'm flying all these

0:47:08weird yacht club flags here around

0:47:09around the good ship blow Roderick pop

0:47:13and I I had no idea what they meant i

0:47:18did you and thankies Thank You code

0:47:20right yeah Thank oh right i was flying a

0:47:22green hanky and my back left pocket i

0:47:24didn't know that if I was slippery roads

0:47:26right and

0:47:28and that Miriam solves all these

0:47:32problems in one fell swoop and also

0:47:33somehow completely a like completely by

0:47:38happenstance I already own a retired

0:47:43Commodores jacket I didn't have to go

0:47:46through any of the like where is I may

0:47:49already have a retired director of CIA

0:47:51jacket and I just don't realize that you

0:47:54just need to send her some some photos I

0:47:57need to send her photos of everything

0:47:58she could be your personal archives to

0:48:00so I'm saying I think you and you may

0:48:02have finally found you you lament this

0:48:04every every few months about what you

0:48:06gonna do like with the history of all

0:48:07the items in your home like how how will

0:48:09that be passed on to the future

0:48:10generations

0:48:11she's very scientific John I don't want

0:48:14to go into too much personal detail but

0:48:15catamarans very scientific

0:48:17all I'm saying is that that that that

0:48:19that that mystery at least is solved and

0:48:25why it is that I that you know because i

0:48:28asked people to solutely when they come

0:48:30into the house and at a certain point I

0:48:32change to a kind of open-handed salute

0:48:34rather than your closed and salute what

0:48:37I'm not sure I'm had no nothing like

0:48:39Hitler open-handed like you know like a

0:48:42a classic sort of got a wave not a wave

0:48:45that you're still touching the tip of

0:48:47your glasses with the hand ok just your

0:48:49palm out so I know what you mean like

0:48:53sort of it left hand kinda get it right

0:48:55like like you're like you're the the

0:48:57governor-general in the Raj let me love

0:49:01you let you watch it because I was I was

0:49:03I was feeling like a Commodore is it

0:49:05fair to say you probably know more about

0:49:07military and fake military clothing than

0:49:11most people in seattle be honest you

0:49:14probably the top i'd be in the top 5% 5%

0:49:17ok if you go to the coop meeting like

0:49:21the second meeting dressed as a former

0:49:24Commodore yeah club people think it's

0:49:26pretty fucking weird but if you're

0:49:28consistent if you always show up in some

0:49:32kind of military garb no one is going to

0:49:35fuck with you right but it's but every

0:49:37but one day I'm a colonel in the Air

0:49:38Force

0:49:39well one day i'm wearing desert

0:49:41fatigues there are people with honorary

0:49:44degrees and consoles doctor there's no

0:49:46reason you can't be there is no fucking

0:49:48reason you can't be an honorary

0:49:49Commodore I'm saying is if you show up

0:49:50at this place and you and you want to

0:49:52have this is a certain will to power

0:49:54you may be able to go in there dress for

0:49:56the job you want to write well but this

0:49:58is the thing I don't want to go up

0:49:59I've already begun compiling the the

0:50:02uniform of a member of the board of

0:50:06directors of your child's up at times it

0:50:09felt like at least it would be like a

0:50:11patagonia fleece well see now that's

0:50:13where you wouldn't have a water bottle i

0:50:15have not been to this meeting yet so i'm

0:50:18guessing that that's what that's what

0:50:20you're gonna follow that is gonna be

0:50:21enlisted men think that's right ok got

0:50:24it sorry

0:50:24so obviously tweed jacket patches on the

0:50:30elbows knit squared bottom time it's

0:50:35selling Michael Keaton in like a grain

0:50:37it that's right no you're absolutely

0:50:39right Michael Keaton 83

0:50:41yeah black plaid button-down sort of nor

0:50:44sport shirt hot smart look I don't know

0:50:48though I think the military thing I met

0:50:50my am but then crewneck sweater on top

0:50:53of the shirt i just saw oceans 11 for

0:50:57the first time I think you should bring

0:50:59back the the the giant turtle neck

0:51:02almost cowl-neck ridiculously large

0:51:04turtleneck shirt that like a sweater

0:51:06like a big big you don't talk about

0:51:08using the movie but for some reason like

0:51:09three different guys in the movie

0:51:10especially Matt Damon are wearing these

0:51:12cool like fishermen kind of sweaters

0:51:14like you know vertical ribbing but with

0:51:17these giant giant turns out the captain

0:51:20haddock sweater em high

0:51:22the captain haddock sweater from going

0:51:24to get the former captain the retired

0:51:26captain had so it's called me look that

0:51:27up it's a smart like I could not pull

0:51:29that off you would look awesome in that

0:51:31you know the thing about captain haddock

0:51:33is that his first of all his sweater has

0:51:35a giant anchor on it captain and oh and

0:51:40apparently the cartoon character but

0:51:42yeah yeah what are you not attending

0:51:44reader

0:51:45uh yes haha oh outed outed as a non

0:51:53Tintin reader he's got a pipe

0:51:55that's gotta understand how he looks a

0:51:57little like Bluto that's right i guess

0:51:59what else he's from Belgium Belgium l

0:52:02jones got no pupils i don't know i have

0:52:06mixed feelings because there's two

0:52:07minutes two ways you can go with this

0:52:08like you can either go with like the

0:52:11perhaps inadvisable this guy is

0:52:13obviously bananas approach which is he

0:52:16might go in is looking ass licker one

0:52:19day like the Gorton's fisherman in like

0:52:21one day you might go in as like the I

0:52:24don't know whatever the Seattle Mariner

0:52:25big head mascot is you know Erin Andrews

0:52:28mariner moose all had a big head

0:52:31they had mascot my kids school today I

0:52:33want to get kids cry big lion was the

0:52:36person inside of an autistic bring it

0:52:41around

0:52:43why I'm pretty sure that or you just

0:52:46were consistently where the same uniform

0:52:48it's all pretty sure that makes my sword

0:52:49cane is going to be the thing that just

0:52:52that that really gets their attention

0:52:53but that's not going to be till meeting

0:52:55five a lot of people are going to see it

0:52:57go that guy doesn't look like he needs a

0:52:59cane and he definitely looks like the

0:53:02kind of guy who would like to carry a

0:53:03sword so i'm gonna guess that's probably

0:53:04a certain game you would think but the

0:53:06people appear that the the you know the

0:53:08fleece dolls they're like I think that

0:53:10the fleece creates a kind of it like off

0:53:14gases and it in a dulls your wits for

0:53:17combat lot of leaching yeah yeah so no

0:53:21no I got the whole idea of the whole

0:53:24premise that one day I would be

0:53:26jockeying for power in a pre-k co-op is

0:53:33like I feel a little bit like I'm

0:53:37sitting in one of those little tiny

0:53:39desks at a parent-teacher conference

0:53:42already

0:53:43yeah and I don't know how this I don't

0:53:46know how this happened you know you know

0:53:48Merlin that that michael anthony hall

0:53:51and I

0:53:58what the hell Molly Ringwald yeah

0:54:00they're the same age as me and just that

0:54:11itself that that's plenty

0:54:12I yeah I just don't know I'm just

0:54:14thinking about that today like I don't

0:54:16think I knew that at the time I think

0:54:19about that a lot i watched i was

0:54:20watching Moneyball today that movie in

0:54:22like Billy Beane's like 51like it's like

0:54:25he's a guy who like play baseball like

0:54:27when I when I was a kid

0:54:29yeah but he's only a few years older

0:54:31than me I mean Michael Stipe is not that

0:54:32much older than me that's right he seems

0:54:34like a generation older than me but he's

0:54:36actually not right and that is

0:54:38disturbing to me and with michael stipe

0:54:40I can handle it because whatever when I

0:54:43was when I was 15 he was already 22 or

0:54:47something and like that did seem that

0:54:50did seem like a generational difference

0:54:52but I don't think I knew that anthony

0:54:56michael hall and molly ringwald were

0:54:59just six months older than me or

0:55:00something i didn't get my head is easy

0:55:02younger to you

0:55:03no no no they seemed again like they

0:55:06were in the movies i was it i thought

0:55:08that they were older people playing

0:55:11teenagers I thought it was the classic

0:55:1390210 problem right one girl with the

0:55:15glasses here 60 yeah right and and you

0:55:19know 25 27 year olds that are playing

0:55:21seventeen-year-olds but the you know the

0:55:23knowledge that those two those kids

0:55:26playing teenage kids were actually

0:55:29teenage kids his ideals right it's retro

0:55:32actively depressing

0:55:33yeah I don't know why to learn that at

0:55:3544 years old is causing me to to to kind

0:55:39of be a GOG today but but but I've spent

0:55:46spent all afternoon kind of like

0:55:47thinking about Anthony Michael Hall I

0:55:51don't know I i think that was me for a

0:55:53while was he like really like beefy

0:55:55didn't get a like like games

0:55:57yes bc i think he was I think I think

0:55:59somebody was advising him as a young

0:56:02person

0:56:03don't don't be the nerd don't be

0:56:05typecast as the nerd

0:56:06yeah so you got it you got it you know

0:56:08you gotta get into the gym and be a

0:56:10serious actor and get it's not

0:56:12flattering take some intense roles i

0:56:14don't think you'd recognize him now if

0:56:16you google Anthony Michael Hall right

0:56:17now and look at his face now your it's

0:56:19you're going to be like oooo he looks

0:56:21like a guy at my child's pre-k he looks

0:56:24like just somebody's dad he doesn't look

0:56:26like anthony michael hall anymore but

0:56:28now you look at Jackie Earle Haley I'm

0:56:30you probably have not had a chance to

0:56:31look at the materials essential but in

0:56:33the in the movie version of watchmen

0:56:35rorschach is played by Jackie Earle

0:56:37Haley who you'll remember from Bad News

0:56:39Bears and breaking always sure the bad

0:56:42kid the city needs and great yes he's

0:56:45played he's played Freddy Krueger in one

0:56:47of the nightmare movies he's in shutter

0:56:50island he has a great small but great

0:56:52rolling shutter island

0:56:53he's one of those guys he's like he's

0:56:54off is all with all due respect mr.

0:56:57Earle Haley like you don't fucked up

0:56:59looking he's he's always been super

0:57:00weird looking but like I sigh so

0:57:03treasure that like and not you know what

0:57:04now I gotta find out how old he is

0:57:05I do this now you know what they do I

0:57:07look for how tall people are so that's

0:57:08all yeah I don't think he's very tall

0:57:10I search for how tall people are isn't

0:57:12that like that's an old person thing to

0:57:13do isn't it did how I like your new

0:57:16boyfriend he's told how is like scarlett

0:57:19johansson seems like she's a little gal

0:57:22she's she seems let me just look here

0:57:25she's all look at that she's now 1053

0:57:29gala gala plays agent hills a little

0:57:31more statuesque did the bad news bears

0:57:35have the effect on you that it had on me

0:57:38probably which is to say that there were

0:57:42there were things happening in that

0:57:43movie that were just a little bit

0:57:47out of my grasp and they made me afraid

0:57:53that movie made me afraid and also yearn

0:57:56for things i didn't i didn't know what i

0:58:00was doing all of you know what it is

0:58:02inevitable and yes it's the hallmark of

0:58:05like the late seventies my gosh I'm

0:58:08gonna fucking rabbit hole here it's a

0:58:10hallmark of the late seventies young

0:58:12person's movie whether that's breaking

0:58:14away whatever me uh the first movie I

0:58:16ever saw Diane laying in a little

0:58:18romance with mr. Laurence Olivier I had

0:58:21the hugest crush because about these

0:58:23kids who meet in Paris and fall in love

0:58:25and like 12 or 13 and i saw it was like

0:58:2810 or 11 so it's like you ever had that

0:58:30you're just filled with like easy kids

0:58:32at camp like you watch meatballs I'm

0:58:34like oh man I would love to meet a girl

0:58:36in shorts

0:58:37yeah well yes absolutely the interest

0:58:39but like so seductive Tatum O'Neal was

0:58:43that she I'm just realizing that there

0:58:48was a remake of bad news bears with some

0:58:53other people and yeah that's not what

0:58:56we're talking about but it we're talking

0:58:58about Walter Matthau Ricky take his

0:59:00fucking drinking beer because you're

0:59:02interfering the most rigorous but but

0:59:041000 neal had this worldliness that I

0:59:08knew I knew already in nineteen whatever

0:59:1370 like what the hell year was that that

0:59:17was a 77 his paper moon was like 73 she

0:59:22smokes in that and she's like 10 ok 76

0:59:25so Tatum O'Neal said your mother i sent

0:59:28you a link to some Jackie Earle Haley

0:59:29girls are checking out but like I knew

0:59:32in 1976 so I was eight in 76 and I knew

0:59:36that Tatum O'Neal in the bad news bears

0:59:39was not a virgin or maybe was still one

0:59:47but had been to third base and mental

0:59:48model for virginity when you were eight

0:59:52I was I'm so I was so worried you know

0:59:59that shit crossed

0:59:59that shit crossed

1:00:00some kind of she should cross the line

1:00:02and she had people she was like maybe

1:00:07maybe she's somebody touched her boobs

1:00:11and she was okay with it she wanted it

1:00:16to happen even and this is back when we

1:00:18both still worried about people being

1:00:20damaged goods right you what you worry

1:00:22about them a little bit

1:00:23well and and also like I had like I had

1:00:27engaged in a little bit of like you show

1:00:30me yours I'll show you mine and at one

1:00:34point out on the compost pile was in the

1:00:39process of doing a little you show me

1:00:44yours I'll show you mine with a couple

1:00:47of neighborhood girls when my mom came

1:00:54around the corner with a wheelbarrow

1:00:56full of compost of all the places and

1:01:04she said what are you kids doing get out

1:01:06of there

1:01:07this is why you hate farming it up and

1:01:10where everybody scattered oh and my mom

1:01:13wasn't mean about it she wasn't it

1:01:15wasn't you know she just that was from

1:01:17take a lot John I mean just just just

1:01:19her being there that those two worlds

1:01:21should not collide like oh I was covered

1:01:23in shame

1:01:23I was covered in shame and I did not

1:01:25know how you know and the thing about

1:01:29Tatum O'Neal and the and the kid with

1:01:33the dirt bike

1:01:34what's his name Jackie Earle Haley

1:01:35Jackie Earle Haley the thing about them

1:01:38is that they hadn't they clearly had no

1:01:41parental supervision or very little and

1:01:45I was worried that in order i think what

1:01:48it was I was worried that in order to to

1:01:51learn about sex and cross this is the

1:01:55Rubicon to be on the other side where

1:01:59that where where people were touching

1:02:01each other i was going to have to

1:02:04sacrifice my relationship with my mom

1:02:07you know what I mean like in the movies

1:02:10all the all the kids that were fast when

1:02:13you went to their house when the movie

1:02:15went to their house their mom was

1:02:16smoking cigarettes and was drunk in

1:02:18front of the TV or like you know a

1:02:21working mom single mom who's like always

1:02:24out selling real estate or whatever

1:02:26yeah but-but-but always liked the

1:02:28message in the movie was always that mom

1:02:30was self-involved or mean it was very

1:02:32seldom that she was a working mom who

1:02:35was harry reid and her kids were bad she

1:02:39was always a working mom who was like

1:02:40who was having an affair with her boss

1:02:43or like you know she was a she was a bad

1:02:46mom and so that's how these kids who had

1:02:49a who have hearts of gold but they were

1:02:51smoking cigarettes behind the school and

1:02:53they were they were feeling each other

1:02:55up and I didn't want to I didn't want to

1:03:00have to because you know my mom already

1:03:01worked a lot and I didn't want to have

1:03:05to lose the good relationship that we

1:03:08had with the little time that we had

1:03:11together in order to learn to be like a

1:03:17fast kid who liked head who had put his

1:03:21hand up a girl shirt and so I think in

1:03:23my mind somewhere i drew this

1:03:25i drew this line like I needed to be

1:03:28good and in order to be it was a little

1:03:31bit black-and-white in order to be good

1:03:33i needed to not wear it wasn't that I

1:03:36needed to but then I was never going to

1:03:38be

1:03:40the kid with the motorbike right and

1:03:42that's a that's a you know I could sit

1:03:46if if I could set my eight-year-old self

1:03:48down and talk to about this i would be

1:03:50arrested immediately for Pat for talking

1:03:53about sex with an eight-year-old because

1:03:55apparently that's illegal now let's not

1:03:57talk about time travel but who

1:03:59haha thats that back then it wasn't

1:04:03illegal back then you could have a kid

1:04:05go get a beer for you can make this time

1:04:07at the time now it's a oh boy that's a

1:04:10real my field was going to be frightened

1:04:12and I stopped but but it is i mean like

1:04:15i felt the same way my mom was real

1:04:18protective of me you know i think she's

1:04:20you know she had a lot of loss in her

1:04:22life and did not want to have me be lost

1:04:24to but like that made me more reluctant

1:04:27to like a until you know my mid-teen

1:04:31years to become a Hellion you know what

1:04:34I mean there's part of me that thinks

1:04:35like it's a good idea to like burning

1:04:37out of your system when your Tatum or

1:04:38Jackie aged like not but like in an

1:04:41environment that's safe like it should

1:04:42be some kind of like you know mall petri

1:04:45dish way to feel people up like he

1:04:47shouldn't have to like sneak out of the

1:04:48house when you're 17 and like you know

1:04:50go somewhere super foreign you don't

1:04:53mean it like that Italians having wine

1:04:54at dinner like it makes it takes away

1:04:56the stigma although the tragedy now is

1:04:59that whatever that was that I was seeing

1:05:02in Tatum O'Neal's eyes

1:05:04I mean what we know now about her

1:05:08relationship with her father ryan o'neal

1:05:09the alcoholic like their leader

1:05:14yeah terrible terrible but if there

1:05:16wasn't a fair beater

1:05:18what is the Faribault I was a hate it

1:05:20wasn't he

1:05:21unkind to Farrah Fawcett oh I think he

1:05:25was unkind everybody at the key I think

1:05:27he is legitimately abusive

1:05:30well she says here in her I'm not

1:05:31reading for Wikipedia in her

1:05:33autobiography O'Neill alleged that she

1:05:35was molested by her father's death

1:05:37dealer when she was 12 she also alleges

1:05:40physical and emotional abuse from her

1:05:41father much of which he attributed to

1:05:43drug use

1:05:44she detailed her own heroin addiction

1:05:48etc etc so whatever that worldliness

1:05:51that was being captured on film when she

1:05:53was 12 was in fact uh actual horror and

1:05:58just say Mackenzie Phillips Mackenzie

1:06:00Phillips another one and the lady was

1:06:03very attracted to for her parent

1:06:05worldliness who like you know had some

1:06:06problems

1:06:07yeah and maybe I was right as a kid to

1:06:10see that to see her a lure and also

1:06:15recognized that it was that it was a it

1:06:19was a tragedy or there was forbidden

1:06:21forbidden knowledge and that it's really

1:06:25the exploitative adults in 1976 who used

1:06:29that who use that brokenness in her eyes

1:06:32to captivate a generation of us young

1:06:36boys

1:06:37Wow boy I misbegotten youth might be

1:06:44done with the whole program now wuz wuz

1:06:46gud brokenness in her eyes

1:06:48shit um now what about Jodie Foster

1:06:52loved her you know

1:06:54remember the movie where she was

1:06:56remember that whole series of movies

1:06:57that would David Niven hang on a minute

1:07:00didn't she is one which is literally a

1:07:02minute limit is 1000 Neil the

1:07:04testimonial Jodie Foster in venues pairs

1:07:06was Tatum O'Neal and bad news bears

1:07:09history fostering the TV version is that

1:07:10wasn't thinking of I don't know what was

1:07:12their TV version Jodie Foster was in a

1:07:16movie with David Niven where she was an

1:07:17American girl who it turned out this is

1:07:21the great

1:07:21oh my god this this plotline big the

1:07:25very existence of this plotline ruined

1:07:27me as a child the knowledge that this

1:07:30type of thing was possible she was a

1:07:32like a ruffian an American Street

1:07:36ruffian little girl who it turns out is

1:07:40the heiress to some British you know

1:07:45sure her last surviving relative is the

1:07:47the Duchess of Cornwall or whatever and

1:07:52she flies over to England is living in a

1:07:53castle with David Niven and it's one of

1:07:58those culture clash things or she's like

1:08:01what you don't know how to play baseball

1:08:03smacking her gum and and monocle

1:08:09shatters yeah but uh but I said you know

1:08:12I saw that movie at at the exact wrong

1:08:16age that the totally impression elaj

1:08:18where I was like wait a minute are you

1:08:21two are you telling me that all i have

1:08:25to do is just be the all that's going to

1:08:31happen is somebody's gonna come knock on

1:08:32the door and be like hello

1:08:34we've come for the boy he's putting his

1:08:36last surviving son of the Duke of

1:08:38Cornwall what the Duke of bo was just a

1:08:42sauce

1:08:44imagine how your life would be different

1:08:46if you had David Niven for mentor I'd be

1:08:49such an asshole

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