Ep. 77: "The Derivation of Donk"
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the invasion of the continent was at
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hello hey John
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hi Merlin is going good move
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you sit down it's like love is happened
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like you're on a wireless set i do i
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yeah or like a faraway small phone
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how is like quiet you know might be the
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outcome honking volumes down time your
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volumes up and i will hopefully be here
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that's much better you sound much closer
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now that my volumes are out but it's
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probably because I'm speaking like the
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that's a that's a weird thing about the
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ship was written ready for her closeness
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and loudness never get into Roger wicker
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with your kit
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not when I was a kid because my mom
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hated country music I know he insult
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women were they were there post the side
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door entries in my house side door entry
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well yeah you know us women a lot of
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people don't realize you know from the
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TV is like Roger Whittaker right using
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he's an accomplished yodeler
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yeah it'll ask and and you know you're
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less that French painter and yeah yeah
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that's a yeah your least shock jock you
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release the guys get the rectangles
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right i mean we start over i'm yeah you
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know the 100-acre song always got a
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college or installing your warm huh
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right there were choices yeah at my
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house the sign said hippies use the side
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door and then the side door was boarded
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up into country music my mom hated John
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Denver native country music so
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thoroughly that she hated John Denver
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all through the seventies which made me
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kind of a pariah with the with the girl
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the proto fleet foxes fans 1975-76 and
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remember i just liked him for probably
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unconventional reasons because I mean in
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an ideal world your mom would
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potentially be in the top three to five
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the John Denver target audience well
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except that this is the for this is the
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curious thing my mom is from north
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western Ohio and in my extensive
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investigations of america i have come to
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realize that the South what we work we
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refer to as the South the southern
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states of the Confederacy em really
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technically the Confederacy reaches its
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northern point in central Ohio
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oh brother don't i know it and you know
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Ohio went with the Union but in every
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other respect southern Ohio is part of
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the American salad was probably was
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probably for tax reasons as you know I'm
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from Cincinnati and it is it's it's
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pretty much exactly what it sounds like
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which is exactly between indiana and
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kentucky Cincinnatus since that is the
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great the great Roman yodeler
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yeah yeah Cincinnatus scheisse so you
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think that was her rejecting her her was
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faster the better doctors
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well not her rural past I think that I
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think that it particularly if you read
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the book the great book the great
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american history book albion's seed
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which talks about the good for great
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migrations of people from England
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England or rather the united kingdom
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because you've told me before John
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decreases a problem of Scots persons vs
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English persons that's what up
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yeah the water got in the states right
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Scott's persons vs English persons but
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also Puritans and Quakers being mistaken
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for one another and my mother my
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mother's people we have determined to my
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mom and I have spent many hours
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discussing this we have determined that
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they were in fact Quaker people who
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moved west in a very thick because
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because as you know if the south is all
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the way up through Central Ohio in
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everywhere in every way spiritually and
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emotionally packed away in every meeting
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the practical way to south ends in Lima
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Ohio that means that the that the North
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the northern states at that point are
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squeezed into a very narrow band between
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between northern Ohio and the lake right
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i mean there's it's
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there's there is no state of Ohio you're
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saying there's there's there's a small
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civic aperture in which that can fit in
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exactly and then and then you know of
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course the north then expands out in the
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West and you know you could you could
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argue that mr. eight Washington and
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Oregon are our union council is really a
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great Delta North flying delta exactly
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but so so I think right up close to the
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lake in ohio those were Puritans you
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know the the rather the the the progeny
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of Puritans and then there was this
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little snare Oh band of of Quakers that
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moved through central northern Ohio and
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then it was all scots-irish it's got
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some scots-irish all the way down until
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you hit the French down in the in the
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all the way down
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god i wish they'd hit the French in the
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in the sewers of america but at any case
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my mother's prejudice against country
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music comes from comes from a very old
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Ohio prejudice against Southern
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Hillbillies which they regarded you know
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Appalachian people which they regarded
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even within the state of Ohio as being a
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subclass I get it of whites it's almost
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like casts in india right there is
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somebody or indie rock or star trek you
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can always look down on somebody nicely
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it precisely so when people started in
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the in the forties and fifties when you
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when yodeling music became popular on
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the radio in the in the in the person
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who jump Hank Williams senior my mom was
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it instantly rejected it because it
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seemed to her to be it was white trash
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music basically she wouldn't if anything
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you want to distance yourself from that
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yeah and that's interesting and that
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prejudice against honky-tonk sounding
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fiddle playing music which she knew from
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her young childhood as being the music
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of itinerant
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uh you know white farm laborers and
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people who live down around in
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Cincinnati let alone guilty further sell
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down there around Kentucky border where
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all goes to hell anyway I must also be
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like the soundtrack for want in her mind
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like it's gotta be you know what I meet
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you don't listen to that to the
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yogurtland break because it reminds you
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being out of corn that's exactly right
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it's like it says I got all big iron I
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got all big on I love ya love ya
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so everybody gets food but you my mom
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was putting thumbs down on it I get it
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all the way through the seventies and it
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was not until she was forced to enjoy
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indie rock because her son was a perv a
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huge business niche that bad that even
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even until 2003 if she saw if she saw a
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telecaster immediately was like you know
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the needle scratching across the record
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and own home in 2003 when when when the
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long winter started you know when the
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long winters had Peter Buck play
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mandolin on cinnamon did my mom like
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concede that maybe you know maybe she
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could she could give a listen to wilco
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and it wasn't going to kill her
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so country music no Roger long and the
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short of it
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no lock Roger Whittaker in my life until
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Jesse Sykes hi aunt and the sweet
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hereafter Jesse Sykes would have me over
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to her apartment sometimes and play
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Roger Whittaker records for me that was
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excuse because they were a big influence
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on her head out service and then she
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would you know she would come out who
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would come out of the back bedroom
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withholding Roger Whittaker record and
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nothing else and and i would say well
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let's put it on what that sounds like
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and that's when I learned like it just
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as sexy buck owens all all suede
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unplayable Bakersfield and I don't
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remember this short story class there's
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a really hard time saying no good i just
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heard screaming
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I'd here there i was outside of my house
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did you just hear screen but I have to
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imagine that if you hear screaming your
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neighborhood i'm just guessing you
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figure somebody had to come in
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well I do but that will you will you
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will you play a little hole music for
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just a second and look at the 1i just
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it seems that it seems alright seems
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like that the street is clear and ok
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company
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no gunfire to follow up there's nobody
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screaming still so I feel like the
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neighborhood's results
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okay here's the thing you may remember
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from a short story class Alice Walker
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short story everyday use and it's a
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story about a like basically you know I
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afro wearing forward-thinking in
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afro-american young woman who comes home
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from college and once her grandmother's
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quilt and as basically a afro as you say
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then basically you know an
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african-american artifact right and
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they're like now we still use this and
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she says that the rest of the story
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entitled it is too good for everyday use
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right right it becomes that i have one
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of those here at my house of a quote
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that my great-grandmother almost
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everything in your house is too good for
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every day yes it's true that's really
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what really i just on my way home I i
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spent speaking of a prose I saw a young
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man in his mid twenties wearing a
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full-on kid and play here tower is
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called fade if the butt but all fade
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like hi hoti hai fade-in he's in his mid
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twenties so it's see it so he's doing
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this as a retro gesture and he was
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driving a convertible red Jaguar and I I
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felt like pulling over getting out of my
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car and applauding as he drove by
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because I just felt like yes thank you
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thank you
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you know you should be allowed to give
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out citations to people not in the bad
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way you should be able to give sight
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people citations for winning the day you
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should be able to go to him and give him
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a handsome certificate sister you just
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won the day
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well and this is that this is why i feel
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Maryland that technology has not it
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despite all of our handheld the gizmo
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technology has not caught up to what we
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imagined it would be because it
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routinely and I'm talking about 10 times
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I'm driving and I would like to send a
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message to the driver in front of the
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driver beside me or the driver behind me
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and it's a it's i would just like to
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send them a personal message that would
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show up on their dashboard for for for a
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you know like 44 justjust for 30 seconds
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i would like to be able to and I think
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every driver should have this ability to
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be able to send a message to the dr
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in front of them next to them or behind
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them and sometimes I sometimes that
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message is a citation in the form of you
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are doing an excellent job driving and I
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am having a very good time following you
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because you are you are navigating
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through traffic in a way that I admire
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and I am I am keeping pace with you just
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so that i can admire you and it's an
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honor to not need to tailgate you
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exactly yes i would just I i would like
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to i would just like to commend you and
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I know that it's a certain point you are
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nicely done gold star now what you only
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sent kind messages John no absolutely
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not i would also say that i would say i
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brights and if you if if it is not a
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case where your brights are on but that
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you have halogen lights in your car and
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they are and they're in accurately aimed
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you need to go to a service station and
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have the man aim them properly
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aim telligence but just that you have
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made a modification to your car and put
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illegally bright lights in your car i
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crusher i would like you to remain in
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the car while the car is crushed but for
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this system to work
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yes a there has to be a way for you to
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send this to someone approximate driver
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um I think I think I think be there has
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to be some way for them to have to read
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it like maybe they only the car will
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right exactly so everybody gets to a day
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you don't get a nuisance you have to
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reserve them you can't just be driving
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fuck you but you have not responded
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appropriately within 15 seconds the car
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all four wheels goes along with the
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other tires blow out but all the time
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you want to say like stop looking at
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your phone it is impairing your driving
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stop stop driving 50 miles an hour in
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the fast lane you are causing a traffic
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jam you want to be able to send these
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simple messages you can just have a
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little could be like a terminator screen
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where it's just like dude fuck you
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asshole you get the common heads-up
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sickening that you can go out and just
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because the dim sum place that's been
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Francisco State University collapse on
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that place on yelp and you can put it
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business days right I think it's sick
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it's fucking sickening to me that you
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dangerous 80 year old woman driving 50
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miles an hour off the road
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seemed bizarre that you could have some
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some kind of Wolfie on yelp but you
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don't have a way to have like force
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for the person in front of you while
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you're here is what we're talking about
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if you could yelp somebody's driver's
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your plate you should be part of the
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public tribunal that is that is trying
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people hook based on their own
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automotive yelp reviews now here's the
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thing you know what I don't need I don't
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need of to send things google maps will
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not let you send things to a car
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that's right what I needed to say you
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know what they got all the other get
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started on the NSA thing right it's been
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a while since we chatted a lot a lot
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happened i've seen a lot of world war
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two movies it's true but we don't have
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to catch up on you know a lot of
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concerned citizens have been kept
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contacting me offline
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how's that a man a concerned citizen yes
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yes took me aside in real life who and
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the last half a dozen episodes of rock
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like to see the dates from the last 60
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gosh line podcasts I and I said no not
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really and he said well let me show them
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to you anyway and and then he he
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shame me it's a timeliness issue well
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here he's saying he's he said he
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episodes of the marc maron podcast and i
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interest at all it's absolutely nothing
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he said well let me just let me just in
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shorthand clear this up for you that you
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message received oh my goodness
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Community College my gosh where do you
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want to begin
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wow well thank you yeah butBut about why
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I feel like we've gotten into it right
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away here
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yeah and that would have got that out of
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the way John and I I feel getting an apt
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this point so I'm just glad I don't have
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to deal with that right now we are but
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we already have we already have
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established in this podcast already it's
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just a few minutes in asset that we need
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some kind of system like maybe from that
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swedish movie where the punk rock girl a
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I love the girl with the regret
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interface yeah they're go through
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thursday the girls stopped on the horse
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face the girl with the the shasun in the
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versions of that John let's remember in
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yeah but anyway what she did at one
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point she tied up her attacker and she
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tattooed a rapist on his somewhere on
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him that a pictogram somewhere and oh i
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written statement i sin but it was in
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Swedish so he could just move to a
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different country and they feel like oh
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yeah that's my home stay away from the
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six people to speak Swedish in your yeah
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he moved to Spain and they'd be like hey
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nice tattoo and be like yeah well I've
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got a little bit of a radical kale
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to have public tribunals where the
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result was that we tattooed some some
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form of like a bad driver bad person
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yeah that person really john III don't
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want to get into the wheel here but at
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this point we need an intern because
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you're onto like four or five different
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thematic things that are becoming
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extremely important to me and they keep
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coming up again and again which makes me
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think they're important
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so yes first of all there should be a
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way that your will can be imposed upon
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strangers let's just let's just let's
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just get that out of the way and we've
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established that yeah that's it still
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hitting for the stands ready on right
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there should be a way to force force
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people to hear what you have to say and
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then respond appropriately and in a
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timely manner in a timely manner right
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you can't just let the heads-up things
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sit there for a week and you'll steam
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sure I like the idea the tribunal no
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question about sometimes I think you've
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been you've been a gentleman about it
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your plate you might not have time to
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lead that many tribunals maybe you could
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manage other tribunal managers it seems
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like if we get if we get a baseline of
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rules who people are then operating
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according to what you know what
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constitutes a system if there are
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questions
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it's like any city court system you do
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your best to become an existential
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referee if there are questions you bump
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it up to a higher court
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I like it you're out you know what you
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could just be available you could be up
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there in your bathrobe you see matar up
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in your up here Garrett and occasionally
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people just you know I get high get a
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people asking me questions into the cave
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matter if it was a system where was I
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mean you hear you remember you remember
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the two kids that came up to me in
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portland wanted me to to figure out
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their relationship a situation and and
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you know I I i spelled that out for him
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don't judge john hodgman about three
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i want to try to want right here to
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sting here's the thing that John Hodgman
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this and I believe this came up at least
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often but i believe this came up in a
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discussion of going through the line at
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the airport where you should have to
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prove we go through the clear Lane are
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not things anymore but like there should
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definitely be a way i think based on i
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place we left your idea i believe was to
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either i think slay them
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we'll give them a tattoo and I want a
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way for them to be able to bring the
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great up I wanted them to have a way of
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times that's really frustrating be at
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the NSA is already like marking this
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down in their yelp discussion
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well I'm gonna come back to that too
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because I'm not contrarian silly but i
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what's actually in that data
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oh boy we're going to stuff that the
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government has no idea that they can
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even do you know sorry about you and I
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could do with excel and that information
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you know how many things we could fix
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problems in yeah well here's the problem
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history in the 20th century
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okay to be able to be a tribal scarring
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ok alright ritual scarring
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yeah yeah yeah maybe there's all kinds
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of ways to fuck somebody up John if you
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research magazine and so many lives
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it takes to get down to the independent
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bookstore you pick that up and then and
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soon you've gotta eat all you can do
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anymore is look at vivisection
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become desensitized kinky you can
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masturbate to anything normal you can't
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really even masturbate
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yeah you just want you just want to go
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to a slaughterhouse you got a principle
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we got a prince philip of spain in there
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you get your penis velcro to your lip I
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Jesus John I think tattooing is a
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wonderful way I mean already people very
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thoughtfully are putting big tattoos of
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thing and they're saying rapid healing i
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have i have a big Madonna on my neck if
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you've got let's put it this way if you
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have a notional room with a million
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people in it and you have to quickly
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decide which point zero one percent just
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time to talk to anybody ask people to
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about in about two minutes you're gonna
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be you're gonna be good to go you can
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have way more than points0 1% your
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that's right and can give them give them
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a special task
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yeah you there with the st. Jude let's
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move on and talk about hopeless
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she's you guys would you guys take some
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of the Zyklon B and go put it in that
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bathtub for me okay i said i saw the
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longest day
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wait a minute did you just hit a bell
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accidentally or was that like a muted
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that I've never I've never hit the bell
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more deliberately and I've never meeting
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quickly called Carolina scheisse click
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them so maybe not as well anyway i'm
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doing a little shot of chew spit into me
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like a like a like I have blazing
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saddles sort of to the spits spittoon
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across again but here haha ok I we've
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got skipping generation we've got yelp i
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got a lot to cover John but I mean you
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know what you can I just say one thing
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uh I don't want to get too nostalgic
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about this program we used to do but it
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really does warm my heart how often
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first of all you know it's not it's not
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annoying to be reminded that i haven't
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done the show because let's let's just
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let me just tell you i'm aware how long
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it's been since we can't we're not doing
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it to provoke you made it
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oh you're talking to the listeners now
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I'm sorry I'm this side I know it's
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unseemly to speak to our audience down
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like I get that I get the impression
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that they periodically yes I think they
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always did missed it missed you know it
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is you know it is it's like your parents
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or your order or your mate you miss them
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so much until you see him again
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yeah well your kids let's be honest and
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you think boy I really missed you free
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recently didn't is really weird
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now we're back but I've been looking for
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figuring out how to kill you with poison
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and a few you made 15 subtle uh
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Holocaust references and you insulted
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probably me or my family might just be
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the listeners up in there so many ways
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in which i would like to see your will
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impose on people i think people have
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missed that skipping better i'm feeling
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more willful lately you sound good you
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sound like you're on top of your game me
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I have more chili what's going on
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well no I in fact i'm seriously can
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contemplating now that i have not taken
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any steps toward this in fact so anyway
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I'm seriously can kind of contemplating
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doing some kind of low carbohydrate diet
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been heating up more and more pasta just
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to get it out of my cupboards and just
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as I just as when i decided i was going
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to quit drinking i went on a but I
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started drinking rai at 40 have just
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said you could have been there to help
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you to really spirit spirit along
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spirited away but so i'm contemplating
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this low carbohydrate and i'm still
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battling ants in my apartment ball John
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um and and so they're really getting me
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down I was gone for teaching reading the
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sugar would help i have no idea what
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these answer eating there is nothing in
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my house I emptied it of food and I was
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gone for two weeks I hermetically sealed
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it and I came back and they were just
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they were just having a party just doing
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the things that they do you have a grand
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grants and steaks if you tried those
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they're very rewarding you have those
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grants remember because it rhymes
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what is it grants you get these little
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things and it looks like you get this
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little things like little silver thing
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with a hole in it it's on a little
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plastic spiky thing you can just stick
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it into the ground outside we can just
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lay it down inside and it does the job
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it doesn't number as they say on ants
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it's pretty good you put it wherever
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they're likely to walk it's really
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gratifying it's like we are we get mice
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in our garage occasionally and i put
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that way and what traps that I need to
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just cuz I left find dead mice
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haha I'm not gotten so good at and
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there's so little and I've gotten really
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really good at it and I like to think I
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like leaving there for a couple three
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days I don't know it actually helps as a
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warning to the others
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whistling square type situation sort of
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like a webcam is getting it sends a
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message
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yeah but no okay so I want to talk about
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the carbs too and i want to talk about
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Alice Walker and Yelp I mean you know
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how uninteresting talking about
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carbohydrates is I must say one thing
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about that John it makes a huge
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difference
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well and that's what you and you first
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met me when I was that you didn't eat
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nothing but bacon that wasn't long after
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we met I remember I remember and I'm and
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I'm looking forward to something making
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a huge difference in my life
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oh god me too i've been really crazy and
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I'm really tired lately
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yeah yeah that's exactly right tired old
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a ineffectual Lance unwell unlovable
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yeah marginalized you know I bought some
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pink pains i'm wearing purple sneakers
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yeah and I'm hoping that pink pants are
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things that are going to give me they're
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gonna give me a new lease on life
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pink pants and then the halitosis that
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comes from ketosis and that's going to
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be the thing that doesn't get texts more
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people to cut as I walked through the
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town people are gonna be like that guy
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with the bad breath in the pink pants as
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a youthful glow
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first of all are the pants comfortable
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they do they fit you appropriately well
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so this is the thing about the
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drawstring no not drawstring milk
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what do you think is happening to me not
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just a slap at to get I'm not an
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astronaut I'm not going all the way
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there like they have to now
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no I that for as far as i can tell the
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choice of pink pants but the valid
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choice of pink pants leaving inside
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anything with drawstrings you can either
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get tight a skinny fit uniqlo pink pants
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right that like why the project runway
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yeah that you require you wear white
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sunglasses and they have a fauxhawk
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evening which are not which are not
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going to look good on me I'm gonna look
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I'm gonna look like a lollipop
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I'm gonna look like an Oxford cloth
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lollipop or you get some proper pink
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pants that will you that that an old man
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on Cape Cod where i like-like-like from
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your preppy days like like nightwear
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normal pants
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ya better better pants that might have
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anchors on them
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right for that but orbital completed
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right you're not gonna play completed
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flat-front i'm looking forward to option
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3 cotton pants you know in a light pink
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color which is what which is what I got
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and I and they are very they're very
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comfortable and not only are they
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comfortable to wear but they are I'm
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very comfortable with what they say
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about me you just comfortable with pink
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you always happen
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yeah yeah i think is a hell of a good
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color for men an option 30 could you
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could choose to get comically oversized
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ballooning role because once you get it
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once you get a little heavier than you'd
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like it's really rewarding to buy pants
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and exercise big so they don't feel like
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you're fat pants no I can't do that
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anymore because I'm already putting out
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of stock since i'm already at the left
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the limit
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i'm at the moment I set for myself and
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this excuse me excuse me are these a
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size eight
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no sir please turn it a quarter turn
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that's an infinity sign up but i think
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the third option is you buy a pair of
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white levis and you dive in pink but I'm
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not gonna do that
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ah i don't know if you remember this and
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I if you remember please tell because
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you'll talk better than 90 but um I was
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into the action stuff as you know I used
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to weigh 30 pounds more now especially
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turning to my side and pulling my pants
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ad saying she'll be largely usually
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bigger band was a bigger man i had or
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orange hair but I well I remember it was
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it wasn't really very first met but like
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a room i think was around the time we
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met I long after that it really was like
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catching fire I've been doing it for
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like animal a pretty good while but it
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really caught on
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everybody was doing Atkins and you as if
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I remember were just you kind of just
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sick of hearing people talk about Atkins
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and then then he died
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yes and easily seriously look at our
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butter to remember if you remember what
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you said people who talked about Atkins
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that I'm not Church you were talking to
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a woman who is going on and on about
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about Atkins yeah i'm telling your story
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i hope you don't mind so casually sell
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you acting so much healthier suspect and
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and well well look what happened to him
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hey you know what Eagle he died
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and we hit he felt he slipped on ice and
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fell down you won't see up so I just
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that but obviously you're telling of it
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was better but that's it you know it
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does make you feel better you get more
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energy but you get to get into that they
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call it the induction phase which is
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they're made-up name for the getting
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into darkness and whenever you go to you
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know it's fun it's fun to do is go to an
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actual physician that went to an
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American Medical School and tell them
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about things you read about it like that
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sure you talk to him about chiropractic
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you you go in and talk to somebody who's
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actually had a chemistry class and use
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words like ketosis yeah well as far as I
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said somebody at the gas station saying
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to you you did that one song had like
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so talking about a little 64 flat on it
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was there but the one with a string with
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the string what was that thing about the
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thing about playing guitars that the
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barrier to entry is a lot lower
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so the kinetic gas station days and for
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reading more about it than I do he's in
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rehab for people at the severe head
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it's it's that easy to pick up that what
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I'm discovering about myself is that I i
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do not have I do not have such a
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sophisticated palate that the head
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frankly that I give a shit what what I
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you know like food true that food is not
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a form of entertainment and make sure it
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doesn't seem to come into it could be in
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a can be on a counter
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yeah start with ants listen if if if if
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the chef boyardee has been anywhere
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close to it I'm i know i'm going to
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enjoy it but it but but I'm not but I'm
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not against like fancy food but it'sit's
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just that food is a kind of like my
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relationship to food is both like full
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of boredom and also full of like
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emotional neediness you know I mean like
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I go downstairs and I make a four-pound
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bowl don't care what comes next
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found full of sugar covered with fat
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and I said you know and I just let it
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drip down my chin I just eating it just
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you know kind of softly crying and just
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trying to fill the hole in me with
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spackle and I need to I need to break
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that cycle
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yeah and get him to a place where food
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is dead animals which is what it should
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uh-huh a dead animals at in a in just
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that with them with a minimum of Bologna
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or rather if you want to wrap it in
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Bologna that's fine too but dead animals
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with salt and butter
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it sounds and then I'll just don't know
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I feel like a lot of my troubles will go
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away and I'll stop I'll stop crying
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while i eat i will stop listening to
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people talk about food completely
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instead of like ninety-eight percent
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isn't that huge turn-on it's all I can
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do not to tell you like to tell you not
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to share with you half a dozen different
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very strong feelings they have about
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this because of the impact it has had on
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me but it's just it's so fucking boring
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to hear people talk about food i read i
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get rid of all books out of my life to
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god they're so annoying
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the books we gotta go you know you know
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if my house is gonna be like one of
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those houses like what you he finished
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dinner you have quite a plan ready here
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I think it i think i'm gonna make my
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house like a hotel but I can you know
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its unique one of those skis is hotels
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yeah levels like a ski lodge you know
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what um great seinfeld jokes you want
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you don't you should do you know I the
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last thing in the world you should do
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with your actual house as far as I'm
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concerned is turned into an actual bed
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and breakfast going to be kind of nice
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if you made it look like a
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bed-and-breakfast and you just live
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there would that be nice like a
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bed-and-breakfast yes it's the thing is
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if you you have guessed a lot in your
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wonderful host
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thank you God thank ya seriously I mean
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it's wonderful to be there but it could
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be the world's most secure
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bed-and-breakfast other places you go
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there are holes on the perimeter
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everywhere they can weigh more about
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muffins that about somebody getting a
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clear shot you know from 300 yards away
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right right you don't you can do with
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the scope with browning things i watched
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a document about Cyprus today
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I mean a lot of people don't realize how
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unprotected their bed-and-breakfast is
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you put out you put down some Yahtzee
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and fucking family circle from 1982 and
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you call the hotel fuck that the thing
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about a sniper though is he's out there
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mhm and yet you have to you have to
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pretty much trust that the sniper is not
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going to start feeling somewhat he's not
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gonna start feeling estranged he's
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watching she's watching your perimeter
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be swatching it through a scope so he's
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only getting some he's only getting half
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of the context he sees you go out to the
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mailbox every day is your pants he sees
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he sees you talking to people guy and a
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guy in a dark sedan drives up you lean
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in to the window you talk for a few
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minutes he drives away pretty soon the
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sniper starts to feel it's just in their
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nature to feel a creeping right away
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it's like that other people's lives
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movie right or are you start to start
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listening long enough and pretty soon
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your part you're part of the list maybe
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he looks and he sees some overstock
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pillows or some Braille Playboy's and he
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feels he starts feeling maybe he wants
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to you know spend a couple nights there
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may be a Liberty weekend
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yeah he said he starts to say to himself
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why am i why am i stationed up in this
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tree covered in netting while people are
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coming sleeping comfortably in this
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house and my nominal employer the the
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owner of the bed-and-breakfast keeps
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talking to men in dark sedans what if
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you have the world's first
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bed-and-breakfast exclusively for
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snipers they could come in maybe maybe
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they could come in and help you i mean
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obviously you know most of what you need
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to know but if you had exclusively
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paramilitary black ops kinds of people
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that can see that they know it's a
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comfortable place it in a secured
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location
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I'm saying I'm just saying the thing is
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it's all about vertical markets John if
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you want to score high on yelp you're
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gonna have to go beyond like I we have
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prints and shit you know to something
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like you know you get a boiled egg and
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we talk too much when I see no I'm
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seeing what you're saying because
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they're after the astronauts maybe
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astronauts it swelled with if you if you
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just if you just focus on snipers you
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got marine snipers you got there for
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snipers you got army snipers you got
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then you've got all the like you've got
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the CIA snipers but you've also got
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these weird like State Department
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snipers that nobody ever these guys
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John's gonna be guys you can errands
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going to have one of those black amex
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cards african-american amex cards
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they're gonna hand it over
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you're not
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gonna know what kind of sniper they are
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and let's be honest they may not even
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know what kind of sniper they were they
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didn't know they work for
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it's a huge untapped market we don't
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even know how many snipers are out there
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literally tire size or just returned
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currently active snipers I think that I
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i'm guessing there are snipers that
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don't even know their sniper Oh hundred
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percent sleeper cell manager handed now
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how do you get the word out to those
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guys you just need the right marketing
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materials probably a facebook page and
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it's just collecting bikes
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well okay so there's a lot of ways you
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could go with this i'm just gonna say
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first of all there's nothing in this
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world more deadly than a marine his
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rifle you know that we wear that the it
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yeah i remember the guy up in the tower
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in austin that's right George Williams
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sir charles where he learned is where he
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learned his trade agreement sir that's
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right the Marines but I'm gonna call you
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private doesn't know he's a sniper all
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you know what in order to check in here
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you have to prove that you were born
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again hard can you do that is down here
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and dissemble your rifle you go into the
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latrine you got yet watch that night
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now there's a lot of things that you
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could do I mean obviously I guess
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there's two ways you could go i think
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its first again I as soon as you know I
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am NOT a bed-and-breakfast consultant
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yeah but i had to get my you might want
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to start with people who know their
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snipers and just break this is a problem
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with me and my relationship to snipers
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in my relationship to all kinds of all
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kinds of people that I that I that I
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think I want to be friends with the the
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number one problem with me being friends
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with former Special Ops people is that i
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am not a member of that fraternity
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technically right so when they say when
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they like flash their little skulls head
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ring or they say you know where did you
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serve or whatever it is that they say to
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each other when they say 6am Semper
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Tyrannis or I think they get the job
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John Wilkes Booth company said it but
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it's a Dolce Far Niente or whatever it
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is they're trained to say it a certain
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little TV division and I say you know
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and I say you know what group or
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whatever whatever my reply is it means
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that skullenbones thing you just
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responded with the
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whoop to the sniper exactly i showed
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them my my masonic pinky ring but they
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know it's wrong but the this the points
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of the star are facing away from my
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heart or whatever i've already i'm not
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already not a member of of the
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fraternity enough that I can that I can
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bridge that gap and and make the common
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cause with them that I feel like that I
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in my imagination exists but that but
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the other problem and this is one that
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is that's growing in concern to me is
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that there's been a lot of a lot more
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exposure of Special Operations people in
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the last 10 years you know it you during
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the Reagan like an awareness of what
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they do routing as both I mean just
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because of the way our culture goes the
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whole business in in 1985 if you worked
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in any fashion in a secret agency you
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made no reference to it whatsoever your
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your spouse didn't know you yet you
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won't show up in Scarsdale do you know
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that thing that thing down Nicaragua
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that was me
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yeah right you weren't certainly writing
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a book about it are appearing on
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television about it but now i don't know
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if you saw but there was this movie that
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came out a couple years ago that was all
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currently active SEAL team members
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starring in this movie and it was it was
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predictably awful the acting was the
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event was effective world i mean is that
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these are they were acting in this movie
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was a documentary
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yeah it was a SEAL team here it was a
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SEAL team movie where they were out
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chasing terrorists and jumping out of
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airplanes and and they had and they had
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like boats outfitted with Gatling guns
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that could strip the bark off a tree and
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and all this crazy shit and they were
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flying around the world and chasing
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terrorists but it was all the actors
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were all active SEAL team members and so
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the dialogue was it was it was like
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watching of the bark of a tree try and
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then do line readings sounds like that
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would defeat the purpose of two
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different industries on the one hand you
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have the desire to theoretically
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entertain people and on the other hand
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you try to keep the country safe bye
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saying who's a seal well so so but my
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experience of you know of absorbing and
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consuming all this special forces
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material you know it began of course
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with them with the movie where the girl
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from st. Elmo's fire went through the
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seal training and shaved her head
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oh come on mrs. bruce willis yes the
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lady who is in if the action to
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Kitchener's G&G Obama GI jane was at it
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so I want I because that movie was on
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cable a lot and because I will always
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watch dramatized sere training i watch
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that movie a dozen times and a and back
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then you couldn't trust what you were
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seeing because it was just Hollywood and
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it was some dumb it was some dumb movie
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but now you get to meet the seal people
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on TV or on the internet there you get
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to see them in real life and my
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perception of them which was completely
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formed in my imagination with no basis
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in reality my perception of them being
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Jason Bourne like at the minimum but but
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but honestly my perception my dream of
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them was the pick overall like roddy
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mcdowall over we're getting into it with
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it no no no no notnot be not your body
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Piper I've been rod roddy mcdowall sorry
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Cornelius yeah
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Cornelius exactly but hey is that you
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know he plays an American in the longest
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that's right well he's a great actor
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watch the three times but I always
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imagined Special Forces people were
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likable British oh my goodness yes I
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mean I I mean I know you're not a comic
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person but I mean it's like people in
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shield imagine it's going to be people
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who are super-smart super-fit yeah you
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know super with it I felt this way about
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Scientologists and then I watched a
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couple documentaries and they're real
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doughy but they were locked offer and
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that's the thing about these steel guys
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the more of them I see them like that
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Vice Principals well and every single
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one of them is a god damn hillbilly
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asshole like and and the more I think
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about it it's like well duh of course
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who is going to go
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to go through all that bullshit they're
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not gonna make it out of the swiss
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embassy like they're like a born
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these guys are just guys that that are
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that are attracted to the seals because
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a they are like hyper patriotic be they
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want to meet every challenge and you
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know I never never fail and see they
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want to they want to run big machines
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you know they want i like it it's
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basically the same foods that are
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building drag drag strip cars they just
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these are like people who are like I
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mean I don't have cable but it sounds
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like from what I've seen of cable this
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is like people who should have a cable
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TV show it's like heavy guys with
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mustaches and and like colorful accents
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maybe they make motorcycles or in this
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case they they invade banana republics
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you are they go yeah exactly the
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helicopter and they go they may sneak
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into people's houses and shoot them and
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why I thought that they were going to be
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like David Niven instead of like larry
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the cable guy i don't know but they're
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basically they're basically all better
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educated by any member states
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you're totally right and they sit there
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and they got like the big that to get
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the big like meat beard and then we're
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not sure that's a little too tight
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you're totally you're totally right and
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then they believe that bear on a
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Christian mission to like destroy the
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infidel isn't depressing and then so but
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for me that I want somebody like you so
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much I wanna talk to you about and why
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watched up and brothers again and let's
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say I want to be like like Easy Company
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like that i want to be guys like that
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every night from Brooklyn's together
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cams is the other guy from Brooklyn but
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you know how it is for me like it you
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know you like was it David Niven right
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mcdowell who is HUD Rowdy Roddy Piper
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for me it's a maximum sit out in three
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days of the Condor right
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I just he is he is so cool he is so
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stone cold in that movie
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he's angry eyes that always gets me is
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being in seven seal but he said lots of
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like really normal movies too
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I mean the exorcist i always forget
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about that very formal or or the the
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actor that was in the day of the jackal
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who was also enforced 10 from navarone
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and that Robert Shaw no no I robertshaw
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although he was enforcing it is anymore
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more than jackal he's the enforcement
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from Navarone he's the british guy with
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the briefcase full of explosives and in
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the jackal he's the jackal and so what
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we've got here is what I refer to as the
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Larry continuum you know and you've got
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like you've got you gotta get your
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Larry's it at anyway I have so many
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things i want to ask you about I'm sorry
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I have a lot of notes right here and so
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the problem is if you're gonna open this
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bed-and-breakfast you're gonna need you
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so we're in some sort of awareness about
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what do you really want to have larry
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the cable guy staying at your house for
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that's the problem i'm gonna have to
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stock the refrigerator with jimmy dean
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sausage and I and hand it might get for
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your diet my stereo is just gonna be all
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whatever that like Garth Brooks is heavy
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metal alternative persona that's right
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yeah she didn't really like these are
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guys these are guys that are listening
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to a that are listening to like Creed on
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their work kid rock on their way while
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they're in the helicopter on their way
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to make the make the world a better
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place and I'm not sure I want him in my
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house i'm not sure that I'm gonna have
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anything in common with them see by this
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is where this is where I think you can
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work outside of the yelp model
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I mean what if you would have for
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example I mean again you don't have
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enough insider knowledge i mean you know
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like when we were kids and certainly for
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years before we were kids you know
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there's the FBI you knew they were like
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secret agents
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that's right you didn't know you go to
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Wikipedia now you can read like seven
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levels deep about the black black black
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ops and all that kind of stuff and
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obviously it's a little late for you to
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just be getting started with that
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yes but but you could have a covert bed
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and breakfast and maybe that becomes a
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word-of-mouth thing where you wouldn't
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let anybody in you maybe would make the
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think it's a normal bed and breakfast
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which none of these neighbors want to
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stay at em jumpin in your neighborhood
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what you're going to johns neighborhoods
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data at a bed-and-breakfast what if i
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start a bed-and-breakfast and I don't
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let anybody come stay here i think it's
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a terrific start
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well I'm gonna think about it you could
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you could have to do some tests & test
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flights you know
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I don't know I'm just saying you travel
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a lot it's the kind of thing where once
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it gets running maybe somebody could be
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like a TV show maybe some of the snipers
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to come and work there but I feel I feel
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like I would i want a very much want to
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be part of this world where people are
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how swapping they they trade their cool
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house for somebody's apartment in Paris
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like video games I could if I completely
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missed this entire phenomenal I know
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anyways out there but people talk about
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it like it's a normal thing is
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completely passed me over
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yeah it's happening and I think it's
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brilliant put prep precisely because
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what you do is you trade the mundane
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reality of your life with somebody
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else's mundane reality and they think
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they think where you live in San
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Francisco is amazing and you think
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whatever like outlying suburb of Paris
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they live in is amazing it's like
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swapping underwear it's all yeah I was
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actually in not something where is
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incredible it's just underwear
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yeah it's awesome the problem with it is
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that my house is situated just far
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enough outside of the ring and buy the
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ring i mean the ring of whites the rig
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the ring of anglo-saxon scared people
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that make a ring of whites it's sounds
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like some kind of community group in
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your mom's ok
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the ring of whites in downtown Seattle
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who are terrified of ever having any
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conflict that is what other people think
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is what's magical about Seattle and so
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somebody from Paris is going to come
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here and they're gonna be like what is
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this car on the giant wheels and i'm
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going to say oh that's a donk
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there there could stay i'm heading home
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not working they don't want to trade car
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they don't want to trade houses with me
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may now know donk is a real word
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okay i think that means but doesn't know
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the better donka donk the derivation of
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donk this is based on this based on the
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dirty south culture like around the sort
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of Florida Atlanta axis and the with the
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original cars that they used to put on
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those giant rims who were in Paula's and
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the little jumping impala logo on the
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back of an Impala the little little
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like elk deer whatever the thing who
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whatever the little like leaping girl is
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Elish logo the Gazelle on the back of an
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Impala the the the purveyors of these of
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these giants hopped up a custom cars
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felt like that animal looked like a
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donkey and so they started calling the
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cars donkeys and then shorten two dogs
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and now it is Benson you know it's a
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phenomenon its worldwide phenomenon of
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the car up on the tall wheels dunk but
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they're called dogs through a nice a lot
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of people pitbull there are from inside
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the the white ring my and I know the
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dogs as much special operations inside
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the way inside the White the ring of
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whites that that that you know the dogs
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are only passing through but down here
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I don't know the dogs are it there that
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they are the main form of motorized
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transport transit and somebody from
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Paris might think that that's
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fascinating but it's also like it's a
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little bit outside of like oh lets you
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know what I think you are you in her
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cell you understand the continent but
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here's the thing the last thing i want
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to do tonight is accuse you black and
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white thinking John but i think i think
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eat whether it's your diet or your pants
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I think it helps to start small but not
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too small now where they will believe
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will be uncomfortable bind but I think
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you have to start with small little
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small steps and if you're going to have
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a covert bed-and-breakfast let's start
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by just having a man maybe a
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bed-and-breakfast and it does not even
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have to be available to the public you
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should you see if you like having that
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kind of a setup
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I mean I think they're real quick if
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you're stating a bed-and-breakfast what
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my experience of bed and breakfast is
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that they have a lot of victoriano right
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like oh yeah lamps with the look like
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heavy brocade shady every cliché in a
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movie that you've ever seen about that
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breakfast is true inclusive I mean we
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spaced one once and it was I mean of all
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the things that make me uncomfortable
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about hotels at least national hotel
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chains understand the most important
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well what they understand important
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which is to make it seem like nobody's
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ever been in your room before right
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right but in these places that is not
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the primary assumption instead they want
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to look like let's look like thousands
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of people have been in your room over
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the last 200 years and everything is
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creaky everything i wove in that paper
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the walls with corduroy to cool actually
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collect dander
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oh god that from from guests you know so
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much standard you can collect in
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flocking just that a baseline level just
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a background dancer collects in a flock
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I think I have an aunt in my ear how it
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would have gotten in there but it
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I'm sorry to interrupt is that all my
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here arm 18 a minute i can click the
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hyperlinks again no no it's all right
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i'm gonna i'm gonna survive it I you
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know I have I have a little bit of that
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sympathetic and in the ear problem we're
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just I imagine it's it goes back to star
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trek wrath of khan if I'm gonna get that
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without you the way you are with
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raccoons that's kind of how I am with
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the answer i got a lot of respect for
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him if I had taken out of new like a
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gentleman but that's one solution
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yeah we stayed in one time and the the
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price was competitive with other places
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and it was mailed to the location where
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standing and when your family in a Rhode
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Island and it was really easy it seemed
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great we got there it'll be quick about
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this be going first of all if you're
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gonna get there get there after seven
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let us now because we'll have to like
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you know you flip the light on and off
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seven times and come down and we'll have
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some piece of four years ago fuck
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first of all when you check in the main
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lobby if you like meaning their living
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room is not open so you have to go in
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through the antique store entrance
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ah because of course it has an antique
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I like this place really focusing on
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figurines
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I don't like this so a lady and a
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housecoat comes down at eight o'clock
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I like this place she's not in a good
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way she comes down and I'm even head
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down to like the junk junk credit card
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thing and got your check and going to
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this room it's incredibly creepy sure
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you know use massive yes everything
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slanted I mean it'sit's everything's
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like everything's like deliberately
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human like everything's way to human you
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know it's it's a control wabi sabi sabi
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quality like
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oh you know that stains vintage or
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whatever but no okay so anyway it's
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awful increases all it's not if it
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smells like people have been there and
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the the octagon and you know and you're
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supposed to come down and eat breakfast
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everybody that's not show big butt but
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we have gotten your fanciest and if you
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win you know I could practice and drop
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it off okay sure fine with whatever
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whatever
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and so my lady and I are sleeping and we
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hear this leg and and it's this woman
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there's our room with a door that goes
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after the hallway and there's another
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door that we don't like really aware of
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and there's this room between two rooms
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where she goes in and puts this really
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like not handmade in like a flake out
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like a nice way but like it really looks
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like a lady make a pretty major
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breakfast and she puts it right outside
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like where you're sleeping and you can
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hear her like in here things like in the
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anteroom it's kind of like at like and
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then almost like an alcove and then here
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she closes the other door you know so
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it's like this little kind of like DMZ
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between two runs on and it turns on a
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red light and you know that you know
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it's safe to go ahead and get your
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hard-boiled egg put on your coat your
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hose pants
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yeah you go in there and saying that
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John like like again to their credit
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hotel you get a meal and it kinda looks
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like nobody's ever touched it which is
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you know whatever probably no shadow
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machine shot out like no Punk chilly but
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but in this case seriously like a
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hard-boiled egg on a stand like really
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really creepy and everything everything
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smells like needlework it's just gross
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I've never stayed in one of those in
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America because why the hell would you
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but I've stayed in a million of them in
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Europe where we're staying in someone's
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home and and you realize all of a sudden
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that they have house rules that they
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expect you know like I got yelled at by
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an old woman one time for the way I was
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taking a shower like she came into the
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bathroom was like you can't take a
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shower like this and i choose you get me
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moving in
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you can be in German and I was like I
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don't know what you re doing wrong you
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might have no idea i was taking a shower
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and it's that that's the thing it so
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it's like you're saying right in her
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mind her imagination shower time is
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between 7 45 and HDL and i was showering
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at eight thirty six or something and she
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like what are you doing we're all the
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way into breakfast time now they luv
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reels you can't be in the shower you are
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there you are into breakfast deep into
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breakfast breakfast is important the end
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you know they serve a lot of bread there
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they do dark bread cakes are bringing
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that blood sausage my thinking also
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though is so first of all fuck
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bed-and-breakfast that's bullshit i
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think i think it's a sniper who is out
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there something it's a very high
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pressure situation you don't let's be
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honest you don't get to sleep real well
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you might be in a blind or what would
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you call it like you know you're up in
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like a book your little sniper or a
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whole week all that like I told that a
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blind I mean that yeah what a hundred
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would would make but yeah let's say so
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it's a sniper blind shot okay keep in
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your sniper blind maybe get a crick in
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your neck you know but anyway all I'm
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saying is translucent maybe they would
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want to come then I don't think you're
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going to want to come there and talk
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about guns
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I think guns and sniper nests and blinds
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and trees are probably the last thing
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they want to talk about them i want to
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talk about raccoons this is the thing
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that I this is what I'm afraid of I'm
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afraid I'm afraid that special forces
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people are not as sophisticated as I as
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I hope and that in fact they do want to
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talk about guns because it's all that
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they want to talk they want to talk
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about guns and freedom or are our who
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knows or they want to talk about sports
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now you're saying that might be all gosh
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I don't get what you're saying but all
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is said and I went down a real grilled
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wormhole here it's a fucking bachelor
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party and it's like five of these MOOCs
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and they want to watch sports
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yeah and have and have a hooker come
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over or something really want to watch
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sports maybe have a hooker come over and
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everytime there every time a car
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backfires outside they all hit the they
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all are like under the tea tray which
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they're still in Saigon and and you know
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the guys are at it like like all of a
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sudden all of a sudden you got a little
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laser pointer sites going all over the
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darkroom and and I feel like you know
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what my hope was was that there would be
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out there be a bunch of a man of
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discernment sitting around talking about
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the be African War are talking about a
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the old days in Rhodesia who and uh and
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we will be comparing like sort of like
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the Jeep geopolitical notes and and and
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killing techniques but I really are bein
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way in a very bad way no one ever says
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no one ever says
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word kill or death there's always a you
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for all good and and pinot and there's a
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there's like there's an appreciation for
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the Walther PPK it's a small gun you can
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easy to conceal over there there's a
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little tradecraft discussed but always
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again in a in a way where and nothing
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ever everything is encoded here's
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another big difference if you want to
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god forbid a rock-and-roll
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bed-and-breakfast like you wouldn't want
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to go like grab an acoustic guitar and
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joined seven people in singing the wait
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Jesus know now but you might
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Jesus know now but you might
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want to sit around and talk about people
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and gossip about people in advance that
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you don't like that will be fun right
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ok that's the best so I mean I still not
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sure you want to go stay with other
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musicians but i'm saying his tradecraft
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might come into it but it wouldn't be
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that on the nose it yeah I I figured out
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something this past week I was so
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staying I'm staying with some friends
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and one of them are one of them her
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father was a an expert on the Soviet
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Union during the Cold War II was a
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university professor he worked at the
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State Department he was an expert on the
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Soviets he we traveled to the Soviet
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Union this Kathleen's father time
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no no it's a not captain's fault her
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third and i think was a doctor kinda
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gentlemen but in any case uh I i did i
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did some I ask some probing questions
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right away of this man who's now in an
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elderly gentleman because I was like
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come on who you kidding you were in that
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you working for the State Department now
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you're working for the State Department
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of Moscow office like give me a break
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he's trying to like play it off like
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he's like a lower-level ambassador kind
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of right now is he's playing it off like
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he's an academic also was like therefore
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researching come on come on come on
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let's talk Turkey
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like what was there what's the real
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story and at it was it was didn't take
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long at all to establish that no in fact
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he was an academic he was not in
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espionage I and I and I and I believe it
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of inquiry working for the government or
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working in the being Soviet studies or
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whatever people that I imagined would be
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fascinating to talk to because of all
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the special you know the special get
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information that they would have the
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special knowledge i guess of of the
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world a world that was a great mystery
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became clear that well and 40 years ago
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was just the same as now and most people
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just did did some something some kind of
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an interesting thing and their
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perceptions of the world were were more
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or less governed by their own prejudices
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the Soviet Union my retroactive
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perception of the Soviet Union as this
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gigantic like jeff koons of metal dog
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balloon
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perception shared by people who were
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actively engaged with the
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american-soviet intercourse in the
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sixties and seventies and so i I'm like
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well c'mon wasn't the Soviet Union
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really just a big jeff koons don't
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matter cause water little dog balloon
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and I am greeted with in it in
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comprehension and that's odd
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and then the then the the older a man
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sort of pedantically explained to me
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that the Soviet was a legitimate threat
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that they were a threat to democracy and
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that this that soviet communism and
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their military buildup were were real
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and dangerous and I was like come on
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but really well what's in it just wasn't
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it wasn't just a taxidermied shark in a
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in a in there in an aquarium of piss and
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he says I should really get he doesn't
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understand what I'm asking and he said
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he says no they were did they were they
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were the enemy and they were uh they had
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a bad idea ology and they were backing
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it up with with the nuclear bombs and
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I'm like yeah I am right was it just a
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giant nesting doll of buca's in in some
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kind of a art museum and at that point
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he broke down and told you the truth
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I couldn't I couldn't get out of a gene
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that guy's good he's been breakfast
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material right there that's what about
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but but but I was convinced ultimately i
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was convinced that he was he was not
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using tradecraft on me that in fact he
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had no idea what I was talking about
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wow that is so depressing and he
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genuinely considers it to this day that
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the Soviet Union was that the Cold War
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was was justified in the Soviet was
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genuinely bad they were bad guys and
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communism was a real threat to our way
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of life and all these all these things
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that I guess I can't fault him for huh
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but the these are things that you know
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that I felt I felt pretty strongly in
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1983 i guess but by you know by 1993 I i
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really felt like we were we'd look
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behind the curtain and there was the
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Wizard especial especially in east
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germany like we saw like how broken the
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whole system was so long was so broken
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and so sad and I mean that and he
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certainly appreciates that and I think
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anybody that worked in that time
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understands that was broken and sad but
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that but the idea that it was also an
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unstoppable plague that was bringing
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broken sadness to us if we didn't
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counter them
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bye-bye literally throwing f-16 at them
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or like or pay by rattling so many
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Sabres what I like my playing thousands
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of high-stakes games of battleship about
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you know maybe not even sure what those
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planes are but they're out there trust
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me that whole that whole game with the
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stuff like submarines chasing each other
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around the UH you know around the
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abysmal deep or whatever and you're just
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thinking
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did we really live like that and really
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live like that for so long and so much
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money so much money it is it's a thing
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that I it's a thing that gives me great
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sympathy for a Marxist feminism likelike
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university style nineties feminism their
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contention that the that became a real
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working tick he hear that that their
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contention that that that politics and
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though and the world of men is just a
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this just a bunch of little boys
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throwing marbles at each other and when
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you when you look at the cold war with
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it with any distance I can't escape that
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is an accurate critique and that I at
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this has been this has been overcoming
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me lately my love of like military pomp
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and circumstance and secret operations
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is for the first time really really up
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against this feeling that it is Baron
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Munchausen for x-ray or worse that
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little guy and Blade Runner with the
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Napoleon hat and the Pinocchio nose
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home again home again you get and that
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that is that all of this wonderful world
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of making war on one another is just
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this you know this pathetic child game
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and that this you know the the nuclear
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holocaust under which I and you both
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grew for group from zygote hood to
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adulthood like the threat of this was
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soap palpable and so and felt so fraud
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and even though for for two decades now
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it's been like you know thank goodness
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that's not a thing anymore
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it's amazing how fast it just went away
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and and over like basically two to three
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years that just just evaporated like
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that was at like fought like San
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Francisco fog on a hot afternoon he had
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red dawn and then like within five years
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you get you know kmf game is a dragon's
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war and were overturned on the wall with
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pepsi and stuff yeah
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five years later trading your Levi's for
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a Trabant and uh and everybody thinks
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it's hilarious
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yeah it can try to restore some of this
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or i don't i'm not saying this is I'm
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not about to try and fight the door
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opens of your mind but but I one thing I
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have to bring up you remember the last
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time we talked about Paula cost how I
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was saying it it never really song into
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ordinarily small amount of time the the
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the the whole like a formal process of
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concentration camps being more than a
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place to concentrate people in a camp
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that it was really like three years I
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mean they're tearing them down
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I mean they went from like within one
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year they went from what I'm wrong but
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everything about a year they went from
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like ridiculous escalation and like
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railroads and other stuff like tearing
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down quickly because here comes to the
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Allies right now is for 43 44
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yeah exactly well watching all these
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movies in our interregnum has shown me
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another thing I'll be quick about this
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but it's we watching huh you don't also
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watch that I gotta give you the world at
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war 2626 part documentary from 1974
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narrated by laurence olivier haha 26
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parts if you wanted two hours i think i
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watched it on TV for you did you get a
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logo that the big training logo great um
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here's what i got from that I'm gonna
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stand by what i always said as an
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armchair 70 years too late historian
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holy shit it every single day every
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single goddamn day if we had gotten one
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day earlier what a difference one day
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would have made at so many points
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it's amazing how much of that war went
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on and happened happened happened over
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so many years but is it's just a strange
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to me that you look at like so when was
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the the the the bombing of London was
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like 42 while you talk about the
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Blitzkrieg for ya about the 10 for 39
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well I think that worried the bombing
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started but here's here's all I want to
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get out is like it seems to me that the
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amount of time like once the u.s. came
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ah it seems like i never realized this
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so much my feeling had always been that
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like I think of in my head I always
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think of World War two the American
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interesting that being about five years
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long when really knows kindly for years
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but really three years we were not
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actually that engage that much for that
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long and it to be honest in retrospect
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in serious serious retrospect I mean
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this is very much armchair stuff the
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tide turned on three different fronts
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three different theaters like a not long
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after we got in it did not take
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it didn't take more than two years of us
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begin to like really change the time
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yeah i mean even by the time of I mean
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this horrible few episodes band of
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brothers you know around the project
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Market Day card card on my god and that
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is all the horrible stuff around the
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battle of the bulge of Battle of the
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Bulge was like a last gasp last cast a
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horrible horrible like series of of just
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awful things but that was their
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last-ditch effort you know anyway it's
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quite incredible to put from from like
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basically january of 1940 22 jun of 1944
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think about that i mean that's it so
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that's like what do you know how long is
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that there's like two to two-and-a-half
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year someone that I have mayonnaise in
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my fridge that's older than that isn't
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that unbelievable but the reason I want
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your comment on that but the only thing
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the only reason i mention all this is we
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should talk more about Hitler but also
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because I wonder if a first of all
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there's the fact that even after we were
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trouncing finally the fucking Americans
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jumped in and provided more than like
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you know if you text planes we had you
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know we brought in this huge amount of
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sea power you know to add into the mix
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change change that the game for
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everybody but it still took it did still
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take those years and in 1944 some of the
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worst fighting in the war even though we
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those of the scales are already tip so
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what if there's that part of it confined
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within the fact that so when you think
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about the soviet-era you know
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intelligence people i wonder if there's
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this part of them that was coming out of
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that world war two culture of going haha
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it may seem like we're winning but
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believe me it was not a decisive victory
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you know until we came in from the west
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and the Russians came in from the east
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and boy a lot of bodies had to fall
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after we started quote-unquote winning
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the only mean when a part of it was that
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like either until that entire system was
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broken down until there is zero chance
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that there could be a possible strike
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you know from the Soviet Union you don't
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mean I bet that mentality stuck with
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people who were brought up in that
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period or who you know had fathers that
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died in that war
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yeah didn't make any sense yeah it
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doesn't and you know I think that's why
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we're still so fascinated by the secret
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weapons of Adolf Hitler there was there
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that sense that that there was the
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doomsday device or at least the jet
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airplane that was waiting at that party
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one or whatever
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well no I mean know that I mean the
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me-262 was this was the sort of first
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operational jet and if they had you know
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the war lasted two more years or if they
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brought that jet out two years earlier
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I mean there's so many things that could
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turn the tide particularly if Hitler had
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if we hadn't had that great that great
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Special Forces operation up into Norway
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to destroy their heavy-water
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manufacturing plant and Hitler made a
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bomb atom bomb
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well what's that I don't know about that
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one was that oh this is there's there's
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there's there's some great movies about
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this rate i got my pencil but the era
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you know there was a there was a a a
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what would it be called a refinement
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sort of plant but damn there's a there's
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a damn involved and they were refining
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heavy water which is necessary in order
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to process uranium and they were
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collecting this heavy water up at this
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place in Norway and a special team of of
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wintertime like Special Forces
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paratroops were were dropped up in the
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snow lambs and cross country skied their
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way down to this this heavy water plant
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and like blew it up in the middle of the
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night effectively ending the Nazis sort
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of like uranium enrichment project and
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this is all part of the you know they
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that growing awareness that like
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whatever that letter that Einstein wrote
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to FDR where it's like this is this this
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bomb could be real we could make this
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bomb and if the Nazis aren't working on
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it then then they're crazy I mean
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they're the Nazis are definitely working
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on this we need to get this bomb first
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and here's what their here's what if
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you're looking for their bomb project
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here's what you should be looking for
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and you know they took it seriously and
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they went in and stop them or whatever
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right but you know that the the secret
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the secret weapons thing was real and it
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still it still gets people today
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yeah i mean the whole idea of anything
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about everything I street this essay on
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the security i wrote about you know just
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as concentric circles that come out from
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the word terrorist and and how we can
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excuse anything just you know starts out
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terrorism and then it just moves out and
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it really is a slippery slope
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I mean you know now that you've got all
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the same stuff what comes next to use it
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to stop child pornographers well that
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seems a good cause you know I mean it's
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a minute
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yeah and personal abuse yes he says
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people who didn't respond to John's yelp
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review fastest out what about people
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that have an updated their adobe
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software yes haha but i think i think
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really the hardest thing for me to
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remember the hardest thing for everybody
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to picture is that during the 20th
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century the idea of a fascist society
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prove it along the lines of the one that
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we jokingly refer to on Roderick on the
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line or not so jokingly refer to but the
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idea that the best way for human culture
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to run in a in an industrial mechanized
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era when we finally have the technology
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to run things according to court two
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clocks and run things as efficiently as
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possible that that the that the notion
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that democracy was an outdated mode of
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thinking and a and a more primitive way
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of of ordering human society and that
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ultimately having one strong altruistic
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person at the top of a system like a at
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the top of a efficient bureaucratic
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system was in fact
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the next evolution and that that notion
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which was which was which went in the
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direction of fascism and like state
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state communism statism um that those
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ideas were not what we look at them now
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and think of them as artifacts of the of
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like sort of a twentieth-century
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wrongheadedness but that in nineteen
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twenty it was a convincing argument that
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i think a lot of people a lot of people
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could legitimately feel sympathy toward
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like yes there should be a way that
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these bad drivers are kept off the roads
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yes there should be a way that we can
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double that we can tattoo the people we
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we would like to ostracize and those
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those ideas seemed like a new tech like
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a like an appropriately new evolution of
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Technology and we were going to
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eliminate pop I'm talking about way that
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you human race
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we're going to eliminate poverty we're
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going to eliminate ultimately eliminate
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suffering by employing technology in
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these ways and and when I look at the
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Cold War now i have to remember that
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this ideological battle that seems
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hilarious to me now that seems like that
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seems like slim pickins writing a bomb
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at the time it was so real to people
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because these ideologies that the
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Soviets were the last vestige of this
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idea that top-down bureaucratic
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state-ordered a government and culture
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were you know was was actually in
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competition with democracy
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in in reasonable people's minds
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there were there were all kinds of
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American intellectuals that felt like
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know what what what we really need is
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his five-year five-year agriculture
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plans and rhea re-education camps for
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for dummies who so that's not where they
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must know where it starts I I don't
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think I mean we've covered this ground
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covered this ground a lot that whole
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idea of like well we talked about
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universe I and instead of the
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wheelbarrows full of money and stuff
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like that but you know another way to
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look at it is if you if you go somewhere
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and gosh that gets almost perfectly ms
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or something but you go somewhere and
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you buy something that's supposed to be
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beef and it's actually like you know
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tainted ass or whatever there's no
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regulation right go to and don't don't
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touch me but you know what i mean if you
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go somewhere if you let me think about
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the idea of like something like the FDA
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is all I'm saying like having
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regulations about like what ok with food
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and the fact that like you know what if
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all the sudden somebody to somebody took
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a little bribe and decided that a bunch
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of the stuff would go passed inspection
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that couldn't and because of that in
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combination of in confidence and
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corruption a bunch of kids die like when
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that happens boy for sure i think most
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of us are going to be you know jumping
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out of our seats to say oh my god we
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need more of that big brother or
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whatever you want to call it you want
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you want that to never could be could be
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could be stuff involving kids on every
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it's something that gets gets her dander
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up right for really good reasons but
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that's the thing is I don't think it i
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really don't think it starts with let's
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have the hook noses go get bricked into
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this area of town
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I think it really starts somewhere much
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more basic I think that you can stroke
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it with that but what I mean I think
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that's that basic fear of of things that
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we get a large technically no
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technological society the things we
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can't know or understand or trust is we
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have to have somebody there is standing
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between us and the bad guys and I'm not
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trying to defend it but I think that's a
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lot of where it starts
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I mean don't you could be a banking
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system it could be like you know where
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were you can just you know take money
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from people just by being a banker who
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decides to walk away with this money or
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whatever and then the public gets that
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and that's that's you know that's red
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meat so I'm i don't know i mean i-i
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guess I just feel like it's the impulses
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in almost all of us you know it's like
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the people who the hippie that gets his
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weed stolen and calls the cops you know
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everybody wants a dad when it comes time
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to get to the thing that they really
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care about sure but but in it i think
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what would changed what changed in our
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in our era in the 20th century was that
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we were finally able to account for
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every person since the census wise
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yeah and just like everybody has an ID
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and a certain point like you can you
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have the technology to ultimately line
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everybody up and give them a number and
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start you know start directing them
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according to systems which even in you
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know even in the 19th century was just a
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you know just a distant dream when they
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were still they were still putting they
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were still putting gas lamps up or
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whatever but by 19 by 1930 you could do
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a pretty reliable count of everybody and
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that kind of that kind of order
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what-what-what it allow what it allows
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the imagination to do is race ahead and
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think like okay we've got a number on
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everybody now we can also give them all
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a rating like we can we can why
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shouldn't that number also be a rating
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from 125 million according to some
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system of tests that we give or some
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some system of criteria and you start
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moving people around me one of the
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famous things that Soviet defectors one
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of the first impressions when they came
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to America
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was they would you know they would stand
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on an overpass or whatever and watch
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cars driving on the freeway and say like
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who is directing we're all these people
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go like how how are these people able to
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just drive wherever they want what keeps
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them at their jobs or what keeps what
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keeps everybody from just doing whatever
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they want and you know they're American
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Handler would kind of chuckle haha and
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say well it's America's freedom their
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own self-interest keeps them and you
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know our our Occupy Wall Street friends
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would say that the American people were
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chained by their changed by all these
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invisible hands but the Soviet defectors
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were like no in the Soviet Union you are
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not allowed to do this you are expected
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expected to present your card from when
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you leave here and when you arrive there
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and that seems that's that like you're
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saying that is a way of controlling fear
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and a natural one to try you know a
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natural one to try out like well why
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don't we get why don't we give everybody
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an appointment every day if we can
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why would we let everybody just run
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around now that we have the power to
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forbid it
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what if we made everybody do something
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whatever what it what if we had one guy
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on the top what if what if Mao is the
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one that that says everybody everybody
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make a home iron smelter either this
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story right yeah yeah yeah basically the
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oven of a Weber grill
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I nobody's eaten in weeks and then
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you're supposed to make industrial grade
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steel on a weber grill on your porch out
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jessica who was did you know his car
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would drive through the drive thru drive
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thru the farm lands in november and he
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would say why are there no apples on the
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trees and you know people would like
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people would be put in front of a firing
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squad but why are there no apples on the
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trees was november my lord but you know
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what I'm saying like that we have
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learned through hard experience that you
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put one
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guy on the top of a human pilot doesn't
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turn out so well but but before anybody
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had tried it with modern technology it
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it probably seemed like like the problem
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of Kings had been solved the problem of
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despots could finally be solved because
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there would be up like a paper trail
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that would be accountability by virtue
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of Records and Ledger's the article
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essentially a few months ago when you
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were you were talking about you know
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everybody hates bureaucracy until they
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go to Romania and you drive into a sewer
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right right right or you're there you go
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you go to the you go to the office of
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missing missing super caps and you say
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there's a missing sewer cap and a three
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on the sticker
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ok that the guys just somebody's
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brother-in-law is like that but I said
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that article because it was a i have
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read the book but there's a great review
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of this book about the history of
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bureaucracy and how bureaucracy as we
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know it today you know is a long damn
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slide off from where its threads started
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out as which I guess is a what a French
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Revolution idea of saying well we this
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paper trail is what's going to keep
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these people honest that that was the
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whole idea of what we now call
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bureaucracy not in terms of literally
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the bureau not in terms of like having
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the pyramid like structure of a large
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organization but the idea of a paper
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trail was meant to be extremely
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Democratic it was the idea that you know
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if everybody has to sign all of these
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receipts
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nobody's gonna be able to get away with
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you get away with shit right and I am
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unalterably am I my feeling is that
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bureaucracy is incredibly Democratic but
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this is the argument that we're having
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in America now they're that the two the
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two sides of and i think its center
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that's an argument that's happening in
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every democracy around the around the
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world it's just like there are people
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who want their that are there people who
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want the government to be activists over
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here and to be a lazy fair over here and
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then their opponents feel the opposite
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way and they everybody wants an activist
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government somewhere
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and then they want the government to
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leave them alone in this other way and I
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think that that is that's what feels
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healthy about democracy to me right now
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i mean i guess if i watch the cable news
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i could put this to the test better but
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my god is that I don't know that my god
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is that there are people out there who
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the people who feel most strongly about
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the government clamping down on somebody
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are also some of the people who are the
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most striking about one in the
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government to stay the fuck out of this
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other piece of their life
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sure enough the way it seems to me like
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so not all those abortions but don't
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touch my guns boy is that ever a broad
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stereotype but that's the feeling that I
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get is that there's like why are you why
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are you messing around with my personal
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freedom stuff when you should be taking
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away personal freedoms from all these
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people over here and see and that's
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exactly right i mean libertarianism at
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its core
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I don't see how a single I don't see how
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libertarian could be opposed to gay men
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gay marriage in any way to perform
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because the government should get out of
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the business of regulating seems like a
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and almost comically easy idea of where
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the Rotarians would be four right it's
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not literally hartnett one but in fact
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you know the self-identified
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libertarians are all you know the the
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Venn diagram overlaps with the crowd
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that wants to the once the government to
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really really restrict what what people
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are able to do in their bedrooms are or
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what their box so it's a funny business
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and you know it was only it was only 50
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years ago when most Republicans didn't
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care what you did your Jesus in your
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apartment so depressing isn't it wasn't
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Democrats that were so worried about who
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you were sleeping
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it's so depressing that the Republicans
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of like 19
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I mean in setting aside some of the net
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jobs but by and large t know the
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republicans of the mid-twentieth century
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were her better Democrats the Liberals
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of the early 21st century
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it's true and I said well not
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everybody's just such a nut job now I
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mean what is such a good job such a
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natural
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it can tell you first of all I'm going
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to find this about World War so such not
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the only ones that have any fucking
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things seem to say I want to help you
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and I are a couple of nutjobs has not
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just the problem
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weren't we are fucking nut jobs we you
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know what we are we're ranting on the
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Internet
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holy shit John were fucking nut jobs
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couple of fucking nuts
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holy shit i think we might be at jobs
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internet nutjobs you know you know what
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has never gotten a the-the-the-the at
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least to me that's something i wish i
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had known about that I didn't know about
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my favorite episodes of that world war
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is the project overlord like the day of
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like the setup and what happens so sighs
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I got into my god i got into it after I
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watched so I got these Jags I don't know
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why I've been in the movies lately is
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probably my diet but I watched i watch
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the longest day two days in a row and
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then it's like four hours notice every
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have you read the bridge too far
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yes oh yes and it's rich in the river
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kwai I did a quick calculation based on
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DNA and if I kept my current pace of 223
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world war two movies a day i have not
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been another month and a half left
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normal for before you had watched more
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movies than the actual length of world
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war two seconds out
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and that could be a stop but
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