Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► hello hi John oh hi Marla are you still [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► get to still a good time [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► that's pretty early move he hit my bell [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► happen who then a bit of a feeling like [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► a little bit of a cat that's been [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► sitting in a hammock all day [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► hmm nothing like that likes more than [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► being in a hammock but that sounds like [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► some old Southern wisdom that is a [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► little bit of southern wisdom I feel [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► like a cornpone inside of a fritter [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► ok I'm not existentially conflicted as a [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► cat named eric i don't like it but I [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► feel a little off-kilter up a little bit [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► like a cat on the image of a bathtub mi [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► miss the color of the South i should say [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► that's a lot of ping-pong from that it's [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► a nice to wear what I feel like just [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► told you in the tutor I feel girl idiot [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► because of you because he's you set a [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► time signature that could possibly be a [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► time signature in our last episode John [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► as you know I'm not a music theory [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► addition the red assist the all right to [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► your answer [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► yeah the road Rorschach Rorschach's yeah [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► you know but still i know there's no [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► such thing as a sixth note that i'm [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► always have but you know what here's [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► what i did not know there is such a [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► thing as two-thirds for time units next [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► extra / two-thirds for time [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeahs two-thirds for and you [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► can also play in four thirds for you can [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► play all combine now that's a [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► three-fifths for four thirds find local [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► from off my but wouldn't it be something [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► like 11.3 time [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► what is it has all too well that's the [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► good question is just like the time [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► signature version of like like 12 times [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► apparently not is now a few rules all [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► third both the third movement of the [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► motto songs made to a about that the [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► belay song [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yeah anyway it has it has a portion of [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► the of the third bar the third movement [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► third reminds me have to be honest too [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► mercy that I from try to remember the [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► name that I think it's merged into [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► tonight libo nielsen hear that Martin [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► Bormann to yeah right well that's more [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► like in three fifths over Fort I think [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► it's actually two-thirds over 2 and then [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► bar 123 is in two-thirds over for well [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► you know there's a lot of room for music [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► theatre additions to disagree about [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► these years [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► yes it's all about counting and you can [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► count things a lot of different ways [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► yes yes are some cinnamon for instance [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► is in I still understand that song it's [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► in four-four time but it was doing the [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► terms are you doing New poor thing right [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► well the song so the know the drums are [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► doing for the drums are in for the rest [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► of the songs in 30 hits a triplet when [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► it comes it lines up it lines up every [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► every 470 miles [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► OIC it's what does straight couple of [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► synchronicity it's a little bit of [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► synchronicity synchrony synchronicity [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► let me see the crystal singing bank [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► account [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► goodra mucho gusto [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► hmm so you know what here's something [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► corny with his bow Nielsen's got a lot [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► of entries on the unusual time signature [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► page yeah I get the feeling that he is [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► one of those sport composers I was like [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► us and that math classical rock [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► yeah it was just like out there like [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► trying to try to to write music because [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► it's possible he wants to get a [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► Wikipedia page [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► he's trying to he's doing math because [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► it's possible not because it's true [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► because because it's real I mean I guess [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► if it's possible it's real but well or [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► we can say we're going to sing something [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► I was gonna sing there's a house on my [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► street and it looks real need [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► I'm the cat who lives in it the sidewalk [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► there's the car by the door i'll go for [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► a drive in it pop up what your team and [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► when no one back comes [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► yes by now that's that's one of the [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► steric open songs right it's a stewart [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► copeland song and stewart copeland sings [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► it and it is a I remember being well [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► what I've been 13 I think that's all one [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► of the the three good records it is on [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► one of the three good roads and and it [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► and it's it's one it's one of the it's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► one of those songs that to a [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► thirteen-year-old [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the aesthetic thirteen-year-old mind [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► it's just like so awesome so great it's [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► the type of song that you play if you [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► are the type of kid who takes that half [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► rack box from a 12-pack of Schmidt beer [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► and writes dork on it and then makes [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► whoever is drinking whoever shot getting [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► the next year has to wear the dork [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► ailments that is the kind of song that [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► you want playing while you shotgunning a [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► beer wearing a dork ailment [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► I'm just I'm just singing theorizing [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► what it would be like huh [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► it's just yeah as a hypothetical to be [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► that kid or to be that kind of kid well [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► if it's real it's rational and true i [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► think sting said that on one of his jazz [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► records i remember i had been with that [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► song was about his father and the [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► Russians yeah and yoga roof [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► I I had a strange experience a couple [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► months ago I mention this but I I saw [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► somebody wearing a cowboy hat that they [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► had made you called half and 12 pack [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► half-rack 12 packs and yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► unless unless you talk about Stroh's oh [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► and then Stroh's course has the 15 pack [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► em Viennese Waltz three extra beers and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► the stros go for the gold 15 pack is [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► that is that have cold activated bottles [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► and cold activated cans [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► no that's your thing of coors you're [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► talking about your thing about the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► silver bullet for which there is no [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► slowing down [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► oh that's no signed and that's right and [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► so they put that put in the new yorker [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► would have a diuresis over the second oh [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► right exactly that exact mr. cool mr. [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► Kufuor yours to use it you recently did [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► you recently call them out for putting a [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► hurting on whom lot over cooperation or [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► something and now it was gas but it was [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► he in cooperation I made my peace with [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► like they're going to do that in your [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► loser i think was reenter re-enter old [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► at the second II yeah yeah if you [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► pronounce this is 2000 a row they're [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► gonna they're gonna die die click the [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► second one man I'd like to do a Code Red [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► on whoever is their grammar nazi they [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► are there [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the problem is that the Chicago Manual [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► style like k [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► even I think or at least they they [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► waffled on the on the Oxford comma there [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► was all that waffling over the Oxford [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► comma and as a result of it [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► no one no one knew what to believe [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► anymore well I mean you know if you're [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► not going to have the Oxford comma I [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► mean first of all God i canna table the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► course hat I don't want to talk about [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► whatever the course have you talked [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► about we talked about the Oxford comma [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► on one of the other podcasts and you and [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► you and you feel like I know it's not a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► topic throughout if it's true it's [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► rational and provable so I have to [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► imagine you know it's like monkeys [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► monkeys in Shakespeare uh-huh [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► imagine at some point have discussed the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► extra common good an unlimited number of [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► Merlin's in an interview with an [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► unlimited number of grammar books [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► well eventually we'll talk about [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► everything i'm gonna get to the course [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► at about my daughter I want to hear [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► about my daughter started a new activity [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► and we got an informative multi-page [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► sheet as you know you get informative [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► multi-page sheets about everything as a [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► parent you to digest it all like it's [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► all equally important i only know this [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► from the pediatrician who gives you the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► baby doctor [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► yeah that's right it gives you the [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► multi-page sheets that say your child at [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► this age should begin to you know vomit [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► in in in solid chunks instead of just [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► the slurry your childhood sh-should [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► should begin to resist when you try and [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► choke it your child at this age should [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► you know should have opinions about [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► French cinema and and I read the sheet [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► and it's just like these are the same [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► people that told me that the [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► contractions were going to come in and [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► even and regular way and that they were [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► going to start at this road at this [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► rotation at this intensity and then over [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► the course of several hours they were [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► going to mature until they were coming [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► faster and harder and I and I went all [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► the hands however just a second I I lost [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► track i was writing down course hat and [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► lost track for a second I thought you're [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► talking about contractions like don't [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► can't [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► oh yeah well that too called [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► braxton-hicks contractions and about [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► braxton-hicks contractions yet doesn't [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► always and they trained me for months [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► that you know a big they Pavlovian [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► trained me [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► to feel like like when the baby was [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► coming it was going to be a it was going [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► to be a predictable and rational [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► experience and then the brand they get [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► you the Braxton Hicks contractions [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► started and they were like something [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► that Tesla had to devise it was just [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► like it was like above a lightning ball [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► and they were coming that they weren't [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► anything like they had said in all these [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► many many classes and all these five [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► page stapled handouts and I called the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► doctor i called the pediatrician and [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► actually have the pediatrician come out [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► of surgery to talk to me and I said what [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► the hell took over do you think I've [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► must've they just they just put the [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► suction in there and its surrounding [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► villages but put some ice in there and [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► just everybody cool with all the [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► products on the button i'll be back in [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► three and he comes out and he's like [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► yeah ok hello what is going on and I [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► said you guys said that it was going to [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► go like this and it isn't going like [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► that and he said oh it's fine [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► every pregnancy is different and I said [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► that's baloney you gave me I went to 40 [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► classes and everything every class told [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► me it was going to be exactly the same [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► but he's like oh I know but that's every [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► one of them's different your guys units [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► everything's happening maybe that's just [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► to keep you from not freaking out are [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► you freaking out you know any now when [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► they hand me a three-page printout that [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► says your baby at this age should start [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► resisting when you choked her I'm like I [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► don't believe it i'm not going to read [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► this it's just more of this [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► it's more this like the mean if your [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► baby is the mean baby and my baby is a [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► mean baby living you if she is that if [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► she's the mean baby [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► yeah she will behave predictably [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► otherwise but I mean boils down to a [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► certain kind of speculation like you can [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► expect like you're saying with if he got [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► a curve and you gotta mean and median [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► it's like you know a bunch of the time [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► it kind of sometimes works out this way [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► right two white parents normally white [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► baby but not give concerns every once in [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► a while you have to you have to have a [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► dream to have a conversation he had some [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► white chocolate so anyway course at you [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► want we are just got his hand out and [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► the handout my wife and I both notice [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► completely independently that they did [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► missed a comma and so one of the things [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► that you're not allowed to bring is a is [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► animals electronic devices so either [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► there's a missing the comic devices to [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► belong to the animals [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► yeah yeah and I mean and then again at [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► once again d put the s you know after [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► the anyway like the combo drop the BS [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I'm starting I gotta get back to Phil [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► Collins so I i was walking us through [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► this is one of those i think it's what [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► does your calls synchronicity i'm [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► walking down the street or somewhere i [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► met dreamed it and I saw somebody I [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► believe this doesn't make sense given [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► Florida but i think was the first time [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► in my life I saw somebody wearing an air [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► SATs cowboy hat made out of a 12-pack of [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► course bottles so no no let me get me [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► let me see if I can 0 and have you seen [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► one of these is this is this is this [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► where they have cut aluminum cans and [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► macro made them together into an honor [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► sorry I should have been clearer it's [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► like that's not like a pop top vest [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► no no it's where you take you take the [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► boxee the empty kors curves cold [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► activated box and fashioned it somehow [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► into a cowboy hat now this on its own is [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► pretty strange can do it with one or do [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► you need multiple cores boxes to to make [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► that look right guess it depends on how [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► lonely you are i mean because you're [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► gonna want the logo [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► oh you're saying like you want a [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► ten-gallon I don't know that the wolfram [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► alpha but but anyway and then that very [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► same day maybe a day later I saw that [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► you could buy one on the amazon [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► marketplace [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► I'm not sure how I arrived at that it [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► might have been one of those of beer a [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► half-rack cardboard and it was coolers [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► how boy hat you know pretty weird [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► yeah anyway there's no such thing as [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► 13-6 time I feel dumb that I said it and [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► I just I regret the error i've been [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► doing that a lot lately John I i thought [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► you know my dad my daughter leaves on [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► every time I say something stupid i [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► confuse some Avengers i'm sure i do it [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► on the show all the time and I say [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► something guy 59-48 time you gotta close [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► this page [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► um I do it more and more and I'm hoping [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► that you do it too i mean in a selfish [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► way I just find myself sometimes saying [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► something think I met people like [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► slow-motion strokey like I've fuck [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► myself [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► things that after i said them and it's [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► been pointed out to me I realized makes [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► almost no sense and i'm not talking [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► about my usual nonsense you know what I [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► mean did you ever get that at all [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► well the thing the thing about You [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► Merlin that is so extraordinary is that [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the the that you are capable of a of [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► such a torrent of ideas that for the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► most part do make sense that is what's [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► astonishing [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► yeah you know I don't have that problem [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► because it takes me a long time to say [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► everything that i am trying to say [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► because I take time in your you choose [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► your words carefully and and not just [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► because you're pedantic yeah we'll set [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that aside for a minute is that is one [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► reason you're here to help people John [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► can I slow it down [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► yeah and what what you know I've said [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► multiple times because lately [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► Merlin I've been reading a couple of [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► transcripts of our show [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► um because i think you know you're so [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► quotable youyou really speak in like [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► written paragraphs well part of that is [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► that is the slowness but but reading [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► some of the transcripts of the show [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► there are things that you say I'm sure [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► that the person who transcribed the [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► episode had to slow the tape down you [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► know it took him a half an hour to [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► transcribe 11 exchange between us [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► because you say so many things and so [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► many of them are on point and they are [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► referencing back and referencing forward [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► and you are moving through time like a [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► like a like a warm through a cheese and [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► and and decidedly a thing [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► yeah you should see worms move through [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► cheez-its they're like Time Traveller's [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► hots that's just science but but uh but [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► i'm reading the transcripts and I'm [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► thinking you know I i was i was a part [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► of this conversation and there were [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► there are whole stretches of it with [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► where I was really I was like the jetski [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► writer and and then either in cans of [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► course at and no one can you and you [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► were the lake and I was just I was just [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► start was just going on the wave tops [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► just John the sidekick and I'm so okay [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► with that [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► I come in I [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► and I had a penis but I added the [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► program i select the show art I thought [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► you didn't end of the program [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► oh I i put in garage band hit button [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► well I guess that counts as editing [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► other half half the people that have a [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► production credit on wikipedia or that's [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► all they did put in the ground and put [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► it into any warhol set there with the [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► starboard to say or whatever it's called [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► that the film editing machine i doubt it [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► he just abusing be printed at the empire [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► state building gets a haircut if you [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► look at the production credits just from [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► the long winters records there are a lot [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► of people on there that did last but [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► yeah me neither can Stringfellow i'm [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► always punching in yeah although can God [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► rest his soul get more in the undead [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► that's not class i'm i'm so I I'm so I I [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► you know I just like to say a nice word [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► about Ken who's been dead all these [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► centuries that Donaire matches of direct [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► I don't like to speak ill of the undead [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► but but but no again is a great producer [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► yeah part of it is that he doesn't need [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► sleep and and feeds on teens but he made [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► it gets great guitars [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► okay um did you know that the lyrics of [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► synchronicity the song actually [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► foreshadow stings solo career like the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► lyrics sarah palin drime i'm not talking [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► about synchronicity two are you talking [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► about with one breath one help you [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► willna synchronicity [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► yeah yeah a star fall because phone all [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► it joins all synchronicity it's so deep [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► it's so wide you're inside synchronicity [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► it's a foreshadowing yeah shadow came [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► first [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► yes this is this is a dream of the blue [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► turtles but in advance of of like [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► pathetic that we could have ever [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► conceived of it like when synchronicity [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► came out you had no you had no fourth [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► site of dream of the blue turtles or [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► beyond [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► that's the only way i can be hanging on [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► yeah but if you if you had really [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► studied these lyrics you know almost [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► imperceptible something inexpressible [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► science insusceptible we should have [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► seen it coming projects so inflexible [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► causally connected mobile outcome is an [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► important commercial this is and it's [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it's really i mean i've heard this on a [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► billion times i don't i don't think i [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► ever took the time to see what sting was [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► talking about and what he was talking [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► about was ya tam trick fucking now write [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► down in the back of a Jaguar yes and you [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► know I get a little of the Indian come [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► vice right you just need to clamp it [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► that's right and none of this is good [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► now none of this is no political [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► solution i'm gonna have trouble [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► evilution have no faith in constitution [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► there is no bloody revolution but see I [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► can forgive that that could be with that [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► fits the Minutemen lyric or whatever but [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► all here we go [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► but but I'm gonna have to go back and [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► see what the first sign or maybe [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► somewhere lol I i can I can help with [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► what is the first indication that you [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► had that sting would eventually be [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► become the sting that we know where is [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► the evidence in the public in the police [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► well for example he did not write the [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► lyric ton of white boy guilt that's my [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► problem obstacle to enjoy when you [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► reason to use some drugs he'd written [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► like that no no chance probably don't [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► recognize that you know it's a it's [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► bullshit i realized that when i saw him [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► as a bellhop carrying people's bags away [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► into fancy hotel is that I was the job [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► of brimstone and marmalade just that [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► movie where he's the creepy guy know [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► doing what he talking about [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► no no it's his it says he's faced a [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► space to start turning Quadrophenia had [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► a good movie i feel like it started it [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► and it seems weird no no never talk [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► about the first time I saw Tommy did you [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► get that everybody liked it that I'm [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► architecture 7315 guard there that's [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► breath like a hot one burning a hole in [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► your hand i'm just going to write all [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► this down I want to come back to my time [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► when I tell my daughter to curse will be [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► up and the first interview right with [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► sting writing the stem the first time I [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► ever saw Tommy there was a double [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► feature at the University of Alaska [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► Anchorage in the student center and some [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► kid from my junior high school [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► was like hey you want to go to this [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► movie with me and I had never had I mean [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► it was like it was a it was a student [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► like a student activity at the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► University we were going to sneak in we [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► were in eighth grade I guess we go in [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► and it's you know it's the student [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► center is awful kids and you can smell [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► pot smoke in the air and it felt very [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► dangerous we were like clearly too young [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► to be there and it was a double feature [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► of Tommy and heavy metal which had just [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► come out [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► Wow and tommy was first and heavy metal [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► was the was the headliner and that's we [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► were there to see heavy metal [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► neither did you know what was on the [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► soundtrack that soundtrack not not well [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► yeah I guess we had we we already own [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► the soundtrack because we were here [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► soundtrack we were devo fans so we got [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► the soundtrack because the depot and [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► then you know that sammy hagar tracks [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► pretty killer and if there's a lot of [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► cheap tricks on their tricks on there's [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► there's some good jams that's a great [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► movie but so we had to sit through Tommy [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► and I had never seen a musical certainly [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► I've never seen a rock musical and it [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► chilled me to the bone [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► it scared the living daylights out of me [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► Tommy did I kept waiting for it to make [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► sense i kept waiting for completing for [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► a sympathetic character it really it [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► will I can't say that I was too young [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► I just was i didn't i didn't get it i [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► didn't like it took me it took me [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► multiple viewings of Tommy 22 to be some [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► really weird movie it's it's it looks i [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► describe this it stopped my head I mean [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► because the thing is when i saw i was [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► already such a huge fan and I i mean [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► like i had just in Tommy for me was like [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► wow i mean III just don't listen to it [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► so many times and I you know learned up [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► in as well as I could play along with [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► the songs in the movie just it looked [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► weird and it was two concrete in some [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► ways I think probably Elton John in [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► giant shoes playing pinball like didn't [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► help her Tina Turner and the iron maiden [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► was that help maybe he'll serve me well [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► let's see i but yeah I remember looking [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► in retrospect kind of like the blues [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► brothers you know Blues Brothers has [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► that weird like almost a TV movie kind [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► of look to it and in retrospect I think [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► about like speaking of a space and gangs [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► i watch this movie and then called the [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► firm about soccer hooligans it was [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► pretty good and I've been thinking more [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► about like dang movies actually lately [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► and at you know I don't know I don't [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► know why I mentioned this but like [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► sometimes movies it seems like the firm [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► for example was based on this BBC show [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► like a like a one hour to our TV show [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► with Gary old olden olden olden Newman [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► gary numan perfect it was it was a [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► two-way army show from but I and I [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► thought you know this is a good movie [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► but it was probably a lot better as a TV [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► show because of the dramatic compression [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► of it you kind of need to stretch it out [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► into a movie and with Tommy it's what [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► makes him so great i mean i love the [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► little rip like what i can do with this [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► us for as a call back [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► you know what I mean it becomes almost [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► symphonic and we put in a movie with [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► like Eric Clapton walking down a church [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► I'll it's weird [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► yeah so you found it disturbing aight [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► i'm still disturbed by my blog by that [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► first by the first impression of Tommy [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► and even the cartoon boobs in heavy [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► metal could not erase the trauma of of [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► of watching Tommy all the way through [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► and and you know like a drunk pill [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► filled out and Margaret rolling around [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► in a in a bed full of beans [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► mm I mean yeah but I take I take a guy I [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► still watch The Blues Brothers probably [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► three times a month i really really i [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► like that movie and I until I think [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► about it I don't realize that how often [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► I still constantly quote the Blues [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► Brothers yeah you can't you can't not [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► and yet i introduce jonathan coulton our [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► often referenced friend on this podcast [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► I introduced him to the blues brothers [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► as an adult he had never seen it 40 [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► years old had never seen the Blues [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► Brothers [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► and I say anything it's just like come [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► on really didn't see the blues bros [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► because why because you were too cool [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► when you were ten i wanted to beat him i [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► wanted to beat him down with a boat [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► paddle deserve to go to Yale and yeah [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► that's exactly right and you know what [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► you was full of people like that i'm not [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► surprised at all John you want you under [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► an extraordinary amount of people from [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► Yale and I just like it's a shame on [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► every level if you stood on the view [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► stood if you stood in the center of yell [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► at him on their quads they probably [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► minimal quantities probably Quint it is [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► a Quincy era sext and you stand there [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► with it to play D&D is tempered with a [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► clipboard and you ask every person [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► walking by with the with the knotted [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► pink scarf for our not a pink sweater or [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► a lot but you say excuse me have you [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► ever seen the Blues Brothers I bet [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► eighty percent of them would say no and [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► they would say you know they'd say no [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► like now that's a that's a movie the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► servants watch but anyway I introduce [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► jonathan coulton to the blues brothers [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► are rather I insisted that he watches [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► which is the way interviews people two [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► things at once she wrote me and here's [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► what he said are you ready yeah man [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► ah he said man yeah this is a movie with [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► cab call away [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► Rachael Ray Charles yeah i mean track on [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► is in that movie that must get to get [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► everything Franklin steve cropper [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► pee-wee Herman back he said that must've [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► been infuriating can imagine you first [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► of all anybody who says that to you [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► what can you do he was across the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► country if they've been married and [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► that's why you did it now [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► aerial enemy he really relies on that i [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► would i would have put a carton of milk [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► down the front of his pain that man met [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► I'm sorry I have you told your daughter [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► swear chicken for dinner [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► oh yeah I don't know what who cares um [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► no I want to know because i intend i'm [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► already teaching my daughter is where x [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► square around all the time [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► see I thought it was gonna be okay to [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► say crap but today today she said crap [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► on the swing set and I felt kind of bad [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► and I really have to another child now I [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► return comics it's my substitution for [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► another word and you know I say IDC [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► crappy a lot and in my head that's like [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► what crappy a boy what a what a crappy [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► comic this was or something like that [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► and I don't realize that you know she [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► can hear what I'm saying [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► yeah and they emulate that now can we [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► say this Rachel we have rituals on [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► imaging officials one of our know what [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► this is really boring one of the rituals [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► we go to go to the walk-in beer cooler [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► ever since she was an infant we would go [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► to the walking beer cooler at the later [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► one of those at your house [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► that's not gonna show you and to your [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► house i never saw a walk-in beer cooler [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► and ever since way before she could talk [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► we walk in there is even one of our [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► rituals visit the lobsters we walk into [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the beer cooler and welcome to the tires [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► is that you put inside the beer cooler [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► and pretend you're going to leave her [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► there is not that much i have the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► teacher about what i have and we walk up [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► to the coolers and and i would say look [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► I say look cold activated bottles cold [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► you know along the lines of you know [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► real tomato ketchup cold activated [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► bottles cold activated again I say le [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► vice this course you can talk it's like [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► a dumb asses and then eventually now she [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► picks it up and I always tell her before [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► we leave the beer cooler right this is [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► just our special word that we only using [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► the beer cooler [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► somehow I i saw i read an interview with [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► sting and i want to say so to answer [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► your question i'm not sure where it [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► started because there needs to be a name [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► for this phenomenon which is like oh my [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► gosh you are such an important part of [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► my life [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► artist that like you could roll in the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► strength for a pretty long time you know [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► Weezer be a great example when I made [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► two of my all-time favorite records and [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► then a lot of stuff that maybe go huh [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► we're not just that but they've they've [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► committed like full-on crimes against [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► humanity that you are blind to or [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► continue to forgive them for I'm gonna [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► write that down so you think she should [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► be a Twitter Nuremberg up there really [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► should we should have it we should have [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► a tribunal but we can get them online [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► that put the put headphones on them and [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► let everybody let everybody on twitter [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► try them try them for crimes against [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► humanity quarter they're fucking peers [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► can also watch downfall the other name [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► you wish I yeah okay we return to that [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► it was an interview and I want to say [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► musician magazine and it was right [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► around the time it was no publicity for [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► blue turtles [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► it was one of those another one of those [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► bruce willis moments where in the i [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► think i want to say I'm probably get [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► this wrong but my memory of it is the in [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► the introductory paragraph where the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► over rider wants to establish the scene [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► I think he was in bare feet and he had a [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► yellow legal pad beeping there's a copy [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► of Lolita sitting around of course you [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► know right he's read a book and a [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► rhyming dictionary and in retrospect [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► that seems kind of important think about [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► that think about the political solution [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► the troubled evolution the faith and [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► constitution the bloody revolution alone [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► you're absolutely right he's rhyming [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► tion John John John yeah yeah and yeah I [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► was always your example was uh oh [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► whatever whatever it was from from [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► synchronicity of synchronicity one [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► synchronicity one right the well I mean [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► every imperceptible inexpressible since [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► insusceptible see I think he can do I [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► think he tries too hard i think you know [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► we talked about the sauruses this rie [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► not too long ago like I think he tries [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► way too hard I think he's trying to jam [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► a lot of fakes mark in into a rock song [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► and then he realized that that was he [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► was above that [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► yeah well this was the problem with me [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► and my early career when I was up [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► against some other indie rockers who [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► were using big words and was I was [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► coming up short people are saying I [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► can't belong winners are you know it's [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► smart indie-rock kind of in the family [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► of these others really smart indie [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► rockers like X Y Z all whom I knew to be [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► stings they were all stings [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► they're all saying inexpressible [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► imperceptible insusceptible arab boy and [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► I was mad all the time can put my last [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► big black i'm not mad anymore you don't [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► write about Dickens at all pirates part [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► music right now now [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► ok not saying anybody specifically just [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► saying that is you know that's a true [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► that is a kind of it's a genre that [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► music lighter writers like to put [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► musicians that right lyrics that are [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► complete sentences they like to put them [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► all together [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► let's say these are the ones these are [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the musicians who write complete [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► sentences right they are a type [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► there's onra and I was so mad because [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► you know there are a lot i can use a lot [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► of 11 sent words but I but they don't [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► belong the song lyrics I don't think [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► come on in susceptible [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► yeah and that's just you know what I'm [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► thinking now I mean I'm trying to keep [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► up with the conversation even as my [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► brain churns on on police lyrics but you [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► know the final and I'm talking about you [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► you must have had this with certain [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► bands we're in the case of the police [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► like I lost my virginity listening to [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► the police [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► I feel that way about fresh prince you [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► jazzy jeff & as in parents just don't [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► understand that first DJ jazzy jeff & [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► Friends Fresh Prince record which I mean [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► I think the entire career of of Will [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► Smith is in in a in a way indefensible [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► it is not the entire thing [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► well I've musically out like I don't [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► think you could go i don't think you [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► could go like take his whole catalog and [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► make a playlist out of it and be proud [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► of yourself man i don't mean to bust [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► your bubble but there are ways of the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► world ain't nothin but trouble [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► mm that's a pretty tight Jam a 12 inch [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► of that but i can go i can do the entire [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► parents just don't understand start to [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► finish [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► yeah and every time you know somewhere [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► about three-quarters of the way down I [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► start to feel like I'm about to lose my [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► virginity again you know and start [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► having flashbacks it's a so that the [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► fresh prince is like your trigger word [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► yeah that's right i feel i all of a [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► sudden i'm at a sex on the beach party [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► and there are a bunch of girls that have [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► their their bangs spray-painted into [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► these giants like rocks of Gibraltar [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► still listening to that [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► 30 it's interesting haha that was my can [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► reach me [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► thanks uh but yeah you know big banks [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► and then there's this one girl across [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► the room who's bangs are unadulterated [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► and I was like who is that girl every [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► other girl in this place has teased her [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► hair she had natural banks and she just [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► had left was letting her hair just be [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► like she washed it and then she probably [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► put some conditioner in it and it was it [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► was black hair and it was just sort of [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► hanging down curly I was like what's [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► going on with this girl no hair product [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and at the at the time that seems like [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► almost all most stuff of the highest [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► endorsement you could give a person that [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► is that is punk rock in its way and our [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► listeners who are certainly younger than [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► us will not remember this but in the [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► time I think you're talking about [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► I I used to I think this is in parlance [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► hair muffins like like you would have [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► these things that involve usually moose [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► and then in girls usually like a curling [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► iron and then they would produce this [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► puffy pastry of hair [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► wrecked yeah I mean two coaches a bear I [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► mean most most of the women at the time [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► had three different haircuts amended to [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► but but the women the women you know you [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► get like a perm right firm you get a [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► perm [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► step one step one come on you gotta find [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► her and I'm step two is you iron flat [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► your front hair right and then you [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► curling iron it into a muffin [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► yeah yeah I mean it looks almost like [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► like half a fountain and what their real [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► delicate and have to be maintained right [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► humidity you know and then you couple [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► that with high waisted jeans actually [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► got like an esprit like striped top of [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► this leaves us breathe that says spread [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► across the top races sleeveless [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► sleeveless sweatshirt I with jeans that [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► maybe have have like a proto finish of [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► the flaps you know acid wash [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► I think those off yeah color color new [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► new new style color finish and and then [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► choose i'm going to say pink pumps or [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► candies candies candies usually the the [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► cancer little short in the electric [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► ankle [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► you could also have been stirrup pants [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► yes I'm like this was this was what we [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► had to deal with you me Merlin during [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► during it is primary our primary like [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► art sexual burgeoning are blooming and [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► women were dressed almost universally [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► young women were dressed like they were [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► climbing out of a clown car in that in [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► that james bond movie where a where he [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► goes to the circus in and transfer Roger [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► Moore is a clown yeah [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► roger moore dresses up like a clown ate [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► that seen what an undignified seen it [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► was such a terrible movie and all of [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► them and that's how that's how young [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► girls dressed when we were teens [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► attraction for like Roger Moore with [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► giant giant coconut bones or and then [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► there was this moment this moment I [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► remember looking around one day and all [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► the girls were wearing tight clothes and [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► everybody looked great and I was like [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► what the fuck [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► oh you got you got to enrollment like [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► that got taken away from you did not [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► have that you miss that window your [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► window opened into a spree [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► I could never be 16 again and when I was [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► 16 I was being I was being shown through [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► the efforts of my peers this completely [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► ambiguous like sexuality this this this [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► version of femininity that you couldn't [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► possibly be attracted to you know [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► underneath all of the gel and the acid [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► wash and ill-fitting clothes there are [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► young girls and you are a young boy you [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► know you're attracted some through the [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► haze but they were like they were it was [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► like a it was like their fathers had all [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► band together and devised the like from [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► head to toe the best possible way to [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► make them sexually unappealing [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► I've been sitting here while you're [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► finishing that excellent sentence I've [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► been sitting here trying to come up with [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► a funny example [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► like what you might as well as dressed [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► him up like Dennis the Menace was like [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► you know what that would be totally [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► fucking hot compared with the wings a [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► little mr. Wilson [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► I mean next door I mean that was hotter [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► girls dressed like mr. Wilson that would [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► be hot there if there's nothing less hot [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► than acid-washed waist-high jeans [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► yeah and-and-and like overdone [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► overthought hair like Roman had earrings [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► that look like lightning bolts not the [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► brand but remember this like weird i'm [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► not talking about like Nina cherry i'm [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► talking about obviously like five years [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► before that don't like the the geometry [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► there's a lot of geometry there's a lot [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► of angles lot of angles a lot of big big [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► big big big big shoulders are God's [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► chosen big shoulders [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► what is what what who thought that that [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► a good look at a sixteen-year-old girl [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► would be a a jacket with giant shoulders [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► it's like and and and and i was training [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► my penis during this time to know what [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► it liked to be able to function in the [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► hmm and I'm looking around and I'm like [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► big shoulders geometric ear-rings like [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► ill fitting pants stirrups sweatshirt [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► does not add up John and I was just like [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► what am I and then then across the room [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► I see a girl who has not put any product [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► in her hair and I'm like it's she's from [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► another dimension she's from another [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► time she's wearing she's wearing army [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► pants and you know and I was and my [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► course was set but what if everybody had [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► just been dressing like normal people [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► back in the eighties maybe my life would [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► be totally different [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► I remember my friend saying I came to [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► school one time in a and just some [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► clothes just some clothes some normal [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► clothes and my friends like stage two in [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► an intervention like a mini intervention [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► in the hall and they're like dude are [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► you immune to embarrassment [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► why don't know what I'm sorry so what [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► counts is like nor money with your usual [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► kind of preppy Stan Smith look [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► no I mean I'm wearing I was wearing some [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► army pants that I got at the army-navy [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► surplus [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► door and I was wearing a shirt [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► I don't know but it might have had that [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► I went through a phase where i found a [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► whole roll of stickers that were little [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► rainy beers with legs remember the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► rainier beers now that I think it's a [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► exclusively like Washington State things [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► rainier beers that use that they do the [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► commercial where there were a bunch of [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► giant rainier beers that had legs and [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► they like we're running through the [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► forest and the gun your goal as the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► consumer was to was to chase these wild [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► reindeers fucking get the dts on pop up [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► and you're like the reindeers and needs [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► somebody see them and then maybe alway [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► across a meadow and then they would run [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► into the woods and you'd be like give [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► them the reindeers was it animated no no [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► they were live there but that's chilling [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► out live-action full-size rainier beers [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► down the houses and so they made [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► somebody made a bunch of stickers that [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► were like actually fabric little fabric [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► rainier beers with legs [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► oh I think that the community they look [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► almost like patches but you can have my [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► patches but they're stickers right and [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► and so all my friends had alligators on [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► their shirts and so this shirt might [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► have had a Rainier beer in place is [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► helping you when you meet the free bang [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► bang lady this is just this day in high [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► school when I was wearing army pants and [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► maybe it does look at charts courage [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► maybe the polo shirt that might have had [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► a Rainier beer instead of an alligator [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► and these guys were like you are [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► humiliating us they did like a every [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► near intervention [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► it was a little bit like a scene from [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► pretty in pink like um John really how [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► you are you gonna be going to like be a [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► loser or are you going to get with the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► program and that the phrase they used [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► was immune to embarrassment [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► are you immune to embarrassment if you [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► send out signals that you don't want to [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► fit in and and and yet you know there [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► was across the room [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► this girl with her hair down and she [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► probably was just wearing some normal [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► tennis shoes [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► I mean we wouldn't we look we look like [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► you say that like that's a small [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► in this girl probably looked like the [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► only two but by today's standards we [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► would be the only two normal people if [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► you look at it what if they made a movie [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► about it right you would look at the at [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► me and this girl and you'd be like oh [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► there's two people that they forgot to [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► put in costume i was watching the great [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► American classic hot tub time machine [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► last night and of course they get all [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► caught there's two kinds of people in [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► the world will probably five but but [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► there's hangover people on the top of [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► Time Machine people and I am definitely [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► in the better group hot tub time machine [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► oh it's a far superior movie and but you [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► know that they play super fast and loose [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► with the references like you wouldn't [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► have safety dance and like those in [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► excess songs in the same period [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► whatever-it-was p90x 47 but i think they [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► kind of nailed in the production design [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► the kind of nailed a lot of the look [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► because it really was that stupid [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► I mean you know by the time it was in [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► the early to mid nineties the eighties [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► seemed much more David than seventies my [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► god i'm now looking back whatever you [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► know 25 30 years later it's it's [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► ridiculous and here's but even tennis [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► shoes like you have to have a certain [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► girls have a certain kind of kids but [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► they didn't wear kids if you were going [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► to wear kids if you're gonna wear tennis [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► shoes you have to work heads unless [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► you're like running track but otherwise [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► you'd wear like these weird flats but [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► those weird like white shoes everybody [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► like Daisy Duck yeah okay so anyway was [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► not a fresh i had read boat shoes but I [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► like a like a sperry top-sider yeah but [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► they were red [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► I had that top-siders where they read [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► their brownish right and so when it was [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► fresh friends playing when you saw her [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► was I it wasn't if you leave doesn't [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► play you know you never know it [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► here's the thing you may not know about [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► me I lost my virginity a little bit late [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► I was not a sixteen-year-old I was not a [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► fifteen-year-old I remember I dated a [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► girl one time who was who told me her [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► big like loser virginity story about how [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► she and her longtime boyfriend who had [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► long black hair to the to his belt [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► we're running a field of flowers or [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► something I mean shit this girl like [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► with at the time I thought she was [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► hallucinating when she talked about she [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► had this virtue of that identity this [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► idea of herself that she lost her [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► virginity and field of flowers with [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► their 15-year old [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► but one true love later on she was [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► looking at the singer from Soundgarden [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► do you play exactly look like chris [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► cornell later on she told me that hurt [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► the boy she was dating right before me [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► was a heroin act who rode his motorcycle [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► up the stairs of their house in San [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► Francisco they're leaving their Nob Hill [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► victorian that they were squatting in [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► rode his motorcycle up the stairs and [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► then she and he and some other girl made [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► passionate love all night together and [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► it was the freest any of them had ever [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► been is before livejournal yeah and then [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► and then she and I are going out and I'm [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► like well I work at a pizza parlor and [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► nicely and understand i don't and [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► physics scientists and motorcycles [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► dunkel narrow steps we both work in a [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► pizza parlor and i'm having a hard time [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► squaring that away with all of these [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► amazing stories are told you that at the [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► well know at the time every time i read [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► an interview with kurt cobain in the [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► newspaper where he said that he just [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► wrote all the lyrics to nevermind on the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► bus on the way to the studio I took at [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► face value and i took this girl at face [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► value i was like wow your last boyfriend [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► was a heroin addict who rode his [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► motorcycle up the stairs of your knob [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► hill mansion and any during that and you [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► know I i had enough sense that i could [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► think back what surely you know that [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► wasn't only six months ago before she [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► left San Francisco and six months ago in [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► my own personal timeline i was sleeping [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► in a ford aerostar parked in a carport [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► and i was i was scraping people's bones [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► for a living and I'm like well then why [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► are you going out with me and she was [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► you know she kind of look look out the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► window and say I'm not even sure and i'd [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► be like man I feel I feel like the [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► pressures on here to be the worst [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► boyfriend you ever had [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► I really I really feel like she's almost [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► daring you [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► yeah I feel like you are you are really [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► you want to see you want to see a guy [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► right as motorcycle up the stairs of [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► your house [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► I'm gonna do you one better I'm gonna [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► write them up my motorcycle up the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► stairs of your heart [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► man but you know you're so I mean like I [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► i was so susceptible to stuff like that [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► maybe just maybe just because I was [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► insecure but it was so easy for me to be [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► drawn in to something like that regular [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► low [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► yea though you know if you could tell me [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► anything the craziest stories and [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► because i was so provincial I would sit [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► there wrapped you know what I mean yeah [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► for sure you know you meet people who [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► work in the service industry and talk [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► about their boat or whatever and you're [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► like wow that sounds like an awesome [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► vote [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► yeah when you leave 7-eleven at the end [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► of your shift must be great to go [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► yachting around the pathologist's Cody [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► river [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► yeah that that whole but the braggadocio [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► is is one thing that at a certain point [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► you realize like all the guys that you [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► were sitting around with in high school [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► who are telling you about the remote [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► control helicopter that they built that [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► could fire real missiles you realize [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► that there they were bullshitting the [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► whole time and yet when you when you're [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► getting that kind of your getting that [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► kind of flim-flam from a girl that [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► you're interested in and she's [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► flimflamming you about the time she lost [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► her virginity when she was 15 and field [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► of flowers with chris cornell you're [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► like this that is the female equivalent [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► of i built a remote-control uh [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► helicopter over the summer that fire [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► drill missiles and I killed a cat with [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► it or something like it's the same level [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► of bullshit but yeah I but I was not I [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► was not prepared for it but on a [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► practical level even today like if you [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► had a liquidity event in mind you would [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► still play along today I mean maybe you [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► as the estimate or John Roderick [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► wouldn't need that liquidity event [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► enough and you would go home to your [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► brow Playboy's but I think back then you [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► would go whoa this is a you know this is [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► dangerous and like even if it's BS it's [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► pretty great PS yeah it's a there's a [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► little bit of like whatever you say miss [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► but in my own case my own peculiar route [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► through life I i was busy trying to [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► reform girls for most of my teenage [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► years huh [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► when they would when they would come to [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► me and say like [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► have you ever kissed a girl behind the [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► gym and I would look around and we would [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► happen to be standing behind the gym and [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► I would it would register like what she [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► was doing like the instinctively what I [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► would say is oh you don't you don't [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► really wanna kiss me [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► I think you're I think what you want is [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► to be friends maybe or to have have the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► respect of a of oh you still stand very [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► qualities don't faze we're talking about [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► your you are helping people in a [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► different way than I was helping people [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► and I was like that kind of gender in [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► normative Pygmalion yeah i was i was [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► killing them softly with my lack of song [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► and so anyhow it did mention first of [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► all you know i'm guessing most girls at [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► that age that took some balls [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► well the pulse it took some took some [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► guts to say I'm like that to a guy [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► behind the gym you just have to ask [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► unless they're fast they were and then [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► maybe then they would look they would [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► look mortified and they would try and [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► play it off like they had been that they [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► have been kidding or whatever and then [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► it would be awkward between us remember [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► forever after so anyway I did not lose [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► my virginity until I was almost 20 years [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► old 19 and three quarters and even then [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► it was just because I happen to be at [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► this party I like I had no intention of [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► losing my virginity [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► I didn't realize that that was the thing [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that I was gonna have to choose to do i [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► was out there in your like that night [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► when you are preparing and like putting [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► on deodorant choosing a shirt he didn't [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► like have that in mind [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► well in fact that day I had gone four [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► wheeling in a national park with a [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► friend of mine and had gotten arrested [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► and I've got arrested and then when the [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► and I was arrested by by national parks [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► employee a humiliating but no by well no [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► I mean those national parks guys I mean [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► he's a gun carrying Oh national parks [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► cop is a start that's right he is a is [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► literally a ranger [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► a ranger in the in the lord of the ring [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► sense etiquette and he arrested me [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► partly because i was so baked that I got [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► out of my truck and I turned the locking [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► hubs on my four-wheel-drive truck but I [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► had since I had been so drunk the night [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► before that I had had turned the hubs [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► and so I turned them off I I unplucked [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the hub's thinking I was hooking them [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► and then I was four wheeling and I but I [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► wasn't in four-wheel drive and so I got [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► my truck stuck and then the national [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► park ranger came and arrested me for [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► four wheeling in a national park and [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► then he searched me and he found that I [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► was covered in drugs and they pulled out [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► and so anyway my friend my good friend [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► Peter who sometimes listen to this [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► podcast he was Peter was videotaping the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► entire arrest home now and at a certain [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► point the park ranger pulls a pipe out [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► of my pocket that I had made out of a [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► ski pole so it was very look it's like a [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► peace pipe it was like a foot and a half [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► long made out of a a made out of a ski [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► pole did you have it on your person [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► added in my large jacket I a large [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► gore-tex jacket that had many of [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► multiple pockets and he certainly is [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► frisky me found this thing you pulled it [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► out and on the videotape you can see him [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► hold it up and look at it and look at me [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► and look back at the pipe just like what [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► the and then he goes to break it over [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► his knee but the pipe is made of [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► aluminum and it's just it's just that on [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the video it's on the video it's just [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► short enough that he that he goes to [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► break across his knee and it and it [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► didn't even been he just like he just [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► cream disney with this thing and then [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► they can look at them and I made him so [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► mad that he handcuffed me and he put me [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► in the back of his of his blazer and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► drove me down off of this mountain drove [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► me down to one so actually where sarah [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► palin is from with my friend Peter [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► following behind in the in my truck [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► video taping the whole out of here [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► videotaped it and got out of the whole [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► thing unscathed Peter Peter thing about [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► Peters he was like he was my Teflon [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► friend [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► Peter and I could be standing next to a [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► burning building and Peter would have [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► the gas can in his hand and a cop walk [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► up and arrest me and Peter be like okay [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► Johnny boy all Billy out when i get the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► you know out so i gave Peter my my ATM [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► card i right he took the ATM car and [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► went and bought himself dinner before he [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► got the money out to bail me out and get [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► respect for you and clear with him about [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► what the card was 40 he videotaped [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► himself having dinner here and then the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► you know he's like a loving this [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► sandwich thanks a lot Johnny boy and [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► he's like he's doing it as a left as [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► like a you know that was the kind of [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► that kind of sport we played on one [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► another but then he saw it so I'm I'm [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► like nobody knows wasting away in this [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► jail ain't got you get super drunk one [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► night you were high and four wheeling [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► international park that day you got [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► arrested [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► yeah and then so Peter finally comes he [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► bails me out of jail now it's like I [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► don't know what time it is still ten [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► eleven o'clock at night and we're all [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► the way out in Wasilla and we know about [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► this party that is literally called a [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► sex on the beach party you mean as in [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► the the mixed drink mixed drink because [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► the girls that are throwing the party or [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► like hehe sex on the beach we're making [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► these drinks and so Peter and I Drive to [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► the sex on the beach party may just [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► freshly sprung from jail and and [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► relieved of all my pot and other drugs [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► by the Ranger and we roll up into this [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► party and it's all these girls with the [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► stirrup pants and the high hair and then [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► there's this girl across the room with [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► black curly hair and no product in it [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► and I was like hmm what do you know [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► there's a girl here like me and little [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► by little everybody else you know it's [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► four o'clock in the morning and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► everybody else has passed out or you [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► know vomiting in the driveway or [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► whatever and she and I are like kind of [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► the last men standing and fresh prince [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► is playing [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► and she says something to me and I [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► remember you know we're sitting on the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► couch and I'd and I turned and you don't [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► know how old i am 19 years old I mean I [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► come on [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► right i turned her and I wrap some fresh [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► prince center and like a rap along with [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► the record but you happen to know and [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► that is me night and she was not 19 I [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► think she was 17 and she got a look on [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► her face that was not impressed but that [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► this is then this is most of the girls [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► that I've slept with in my life they get [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► a look on their face that is not [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► impressed but that thinks that's pretty [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► cute [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► you made an impression yeah and then and [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► then when I lost my virginity to her and [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► it was very definitely a case where I [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► don't I don't think she was a virgin at [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► all and I think that she didn't think I [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► was either so I was you know I was under [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► a little bit of pressure to pretend that [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► I was not pretend that this was not like [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► compass singular moment [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► did you know that you been in jail that [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► day I mean at that point I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► was the first thing Peter said when we [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► walked in the door of the party but he [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► doesn't have a tape of you guys have [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► intercourse right well he did he does [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► have a tape of himself barging into the [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► room the following morning and waking us [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► up tangled up in her bed videotaping us [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► and saying like wake up Johnny boy and [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► IIT may jump he made up on the bed i'm [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► not sure if this was you know this was [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► this is what kids have been doing for [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► thousands of years and pretty sure [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► Peters real someone else my club things [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► it i know for a fact that he's real [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► yeah the the number of you know Peter [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► and I met he went to a different high [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► school than i did he went to West Bank [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► which is called the good ozzy osbourne [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► one that's right i went to East [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► Anchorage high school it was the [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► low-rent of the two original high [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► schools West West was the first high [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► school in Anchorage and the people want [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► their thought that they were going to [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► the Yale of public high schools of [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► anchor like they really did they acted [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► like they were stay with somebody [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► special [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► and Peter Peter I went to different high [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► schools we barely knew each other we [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► knew each other from like some student [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► congress a event or something but hardly [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► just like a boy state kind of thing [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► yeah boise state right that's everything [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► we met we met there but didn't didn't [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► know each other and then I was [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► hitchhiking across the country and after [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► high school and I was up at middlebury [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► college visiting a guy another guy [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► didn't know and those guys kicked me out [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► and he said you should go down to [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► rutgers my friend Peters going there and [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► I had checked down to represent just [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► barged in on him and ended up staying in [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► his dorm room for like three weeks and [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► then we were we were we've been friends [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► ever since [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► and please have you kept in touch that [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► whole time yeah yeah the number of the [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► number of events the number of of like [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► adventures that he and I went on in a in [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► a you know very brief like four year [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► period where neither of us were really [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► living in the same place most of the [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► time but every time we were together we [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► would go on some kind of singular and [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► went to Europe together we went we lived [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► in washington DC together like we did a [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► lot of we did a lot of things peter is a [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► easy an adventurous guy and a good [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► friend although the type of going to a [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► that will take your credit card and by [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► himself dinner while you are like [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► languishing in jail i think it you know [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► can just say this if you have been if [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► he's finished bailing you out and you [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► edited the tape down you know I'd go [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► enjoy a sandwich but you know what John [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► first I mean it is your card that's not [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► how he that's not how you roles he was [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► he let you know when i'm sitting in [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► there like and that the sheriff is kind [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► of like running is under his keys up and [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► down there the bars like so looks like [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► your friends split on you so it was it [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► was bailed out you have to still you [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► know it doesn't derail it [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► no I had to go back and deal i had to [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► deal with the crime but now you have a [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► little experience I you know I got two [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► thoughts on this first of all like isn't [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► in retrospect if what you're saying is [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► even forty percent accurate and i'm sure [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► it is that you have a great memory but [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► you know it isn't pretty bananas like [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► after I look in my case I'll speak for [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► myself [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► speaking for you to but like months can [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► go by and did not that much really [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► happens but there's not that many things [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► where you go I've got a pretty crazy [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► story about the day i looked at youtube [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► or whatever and but think that it [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► doesn't seem so strange in retrospect [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► maybe the intensity of the memory that [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► like you could have so much happenin 48 [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► hours does not seem crazy in retrospect [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► yeah well and and particularly i mean [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► when i was 20 years old I could tell you [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► the top 10 times I was closest to death [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► and every one of those every one of [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► those stories would have been like what [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► no way seriously like to add 10 good [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► stories about like hanging by my [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► fingernails and now 24 years later like [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► eight of my top 10 best stories about [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► being close to death rir the same as [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► they were when i was 20 [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► well that seems good kind of I mean [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► wasn't it a kind of does but you know i [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► put i put most of those stories together [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► between the time i was 15 and 20 min [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► five years and it's been five years I [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► mean in the last five years I've been [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► mean in the last five years I've been [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► I've been working on this macaroni [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► macaroni art here and as it's still not [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► done it's all spread over the spread [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► over the floor of my office here making [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► kind of a macaroni George Washington you [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► know good things take time [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► I'll tell ya but I'm not going to tell [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► that story five years from now on fast [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► die young a lot what's crazy is there a [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► lot of people who died over those [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► adventures when they're 22 or 23 or 17 [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► you know who died and then he says he [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► doesn't kind of seemed like the odds [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► that that's that's the thing is like [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► anymore when you're saying all of this [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► it that's it kind of blows my mind given [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► so like you're just saying like eight of [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► your 10 best stories are from like 420 [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► like it's it doesn't seem destined to be [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► morose [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah i said my bad sex stories [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► right look for later but i'm not a [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► librarian but but yeah I'm doesn't seem [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► kind of crazy that like given the the [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► curve the trajectory that you are on [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► like I don't know a must [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► I don't know it must seem pretty weird [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► that like that you would make it out of [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► that [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► well it's it it is a it's it's one of [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► the reasons that a lot of the [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► hand-wringing that goes into talking [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► about teens and the culture that we are [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► raising teens in and how morally [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► bankrupt it is and how video games cause [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► violence and how you know we're not [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► teaching our kids the right sexual [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► politics and all this stuff in and and [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► that that that consumes a big part of [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► our national dialogue and the reality is [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► that i mean seventeen-year-olds have a [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► kind of death wish you can tell your kid [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► every day not to not to hang his head [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► out of the sunroof and try and drive his [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► car with his feet at a hundred and ten [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► miles an hour but right now somewhere in [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► America that's happening half a dozen [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► times there's some kid right now driving [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► his car with his feet a hundred miles an [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► hour with the headlights off on a dirt [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► road and you can talk about it being [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► part of the culture or his parents [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► didn't raise him writer any one of a [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► million things in it and it's really [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► none of those things it's just I mean [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► I've told you right when they have that [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► when they instituted the three-strikes [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► law up here in Washington I would open [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► the newspaper and read these articles [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► about like how this kid 24 years old [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► just got sentenced to life in prison [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► because he had his third strike and i [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► would read the description of the three [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► strikes and I'm just like man I have [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► done every one of those things i did all [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► three of those strikes worse than that [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► kid and I just didn't get pot and it's [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► not that I didn't get caught because I [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► was smart or faster [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► I just didn't get caught they're just [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► didn't happen to be a sheriff driving by [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► or they didn't happen to be you know I [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► missed the phone poll by a hair's [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► breadth reason you even look at that and [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► you see yourself but realize it was just [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► kind of dumb luck [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► absolutely i mean yeah you read those [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► three strikes I mean they don't they [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► don't prosecute people that same way [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► anymore but you read these three strikes [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► laws and it's like the first strike was [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► he was 17 and he stole his grandmother's [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► car and joy riding it [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► he rekted and to teach him a lesson [TS]