Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello John [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► I Merlin is going good [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► yeah gold finger [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► well yeah that just sitting here being [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► Goldfinger sounds a little dirty [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► in retrospect uh-huh right right [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► how would how would a normal guy like me [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► get to be Goldfinger huh [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► there's there's no good there's no good [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► option unless unless you think like [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► peanut butter is gold [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► I think the same way you get to Carnegie [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► Hall Carnegie you can't miss practice [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► isn't a del karnegi yeah Dale Dale [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► Carnegie how to win friends and make it [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► to my hall and I pronounced that wrong [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► didn't I [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► I don't know but Dale Dale Carnegie he's [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► these disable hands you're pregnant [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► right are different tho those are [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► different kind of monkeys [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► maybe the magnet he is a magnet you [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► pronounce this differently magnates is [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► anybody it's like putting shit I said [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► magnate yeah but I'd but I i I've been [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► recently I've been kind of called out on [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► on my the pronunciation of the word [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► dearth because i pronounce it Darth I [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► always have [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► there's a dark there's a Darth of [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► available gals at this party and I think [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► we have I think we actually have a [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► program an episode of our visits call [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► darth of options [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► oh so we've covered this no no no no [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► because I never gonna be honest I never [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► used to worry about how i pronounce [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► things and now i'm coming a little [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► self-conscious about it if it is an [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► obvious some of the some of the ways [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► that you pronounce things are [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► spectacular [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► I have to say it's one of its one of the [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► great things about you doc clitoris you [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► are special pronunciations although i [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► think clitoris is [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► that's within the clitoris it's within [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► the realm clitoris clitoris that's [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► tomato tomahto [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► mhm but react Carnegie Hall we should [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► probably should probably start over I [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► you know I think you know me I don't [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► like to stress too much about these [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► things but I worry that hurts my [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► credibility that you that you you're [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► afraid that people don't take you [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► seriously because you mispronounce words [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► I think there's plenty of reasons to not [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► take me seriously i right [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► but but you're mispronunciation of words [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► is so intentional it is largely it's [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► largely intentional yes [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► yeah but maybe i'm just throwing those [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► in the kind of pops [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► hell yeah that makes sense but I mean [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► you know that I i feel that being [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► book-learned being self-educated that's [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► book-learning it big self-educated via [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► books is nothing to be ashamed of [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and when people like swoop in and set [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► and enter and get all like get their [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► panties riding high because you [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► mispronounced something whether when [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► you're using the word properly it's just [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► that you learned it from a book like [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that there's no shame in that [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► I think it's a huge problem now I've [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► talked to up a bunch of people about [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► this i got himself elected him to bring [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► this up there's been a and so we can all [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► this i will cut all this outfit for [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► example and I don't actually want this [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► avoid saying the word but there is a [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► certain graphical file format that has [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► for years been pronounced very different [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► gift it's a gift but i think it goes [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► back to the same root problem which [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► today even for people as agent is as US [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► but I i I'm so much of what I've learned [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► in the last time resident is that work [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► so much time when I was clean and the [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► last so much of what I've always blamed [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► quickly and made but somebody mr. [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► president everything in the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► Shakespearean way o.o that chicks Betty [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► and drag oh yeah like my communications [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► quite TS Eliot but don't know how to say [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► carnegie hall but my communications [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► professor at the University of [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► Washington 20 years ago said when when a [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► word sat on a word the definition of the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► word is the sound of the word that's [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► called on amano payee onomatopoetic [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► onomatopoeia all from the Greek from the [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► Greek and and you know and I course [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► raise my hand was like I've heard that a [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► lot as onomatopoeia and he left up on [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► his desk is like exactly wrong everyone [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► pronounces that word wrong it [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► amana pee yeah so I've been pronouncing [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► it that way for 20 years just all [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► sometimes you just wanna and you know [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► Bosh of this guy [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► yeah let's be honest I mean our casino [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► has roots in this I mean you know the [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► the hair okay so here's the problem is [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► that much of what i have almost finished [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► reading and in the last 10 to 15 years [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► has come from the internet or Internet [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► as you say sir and and iíve talked [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► about so many my friends of her people [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► on on on podcasts saying i don't really [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► know how to say this word i've read this [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► word [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► dozens or many cases maybe even hundreds [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► of times i know so much about this topic [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► but I are the persons name like I've [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► been reading that reading what this [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► person says for so long but this is so [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► embarrassing but hit enter have you [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► encountered that like you hear you read [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► something over and over and then the [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► first time you find yourself [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► vocalizing the word you have no idea how [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► to actually say it [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► yeah that happens to me constantly but [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► up but i feel like the most embarrassing [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► example of this was when I was about ten [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► years old I was with my dad somewhere [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► and it was like a Rotary Club meeting it [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► wasn't a restaurant or something it was [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► a Rotary Club meeting where where there [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► were lots of guys in bolo ties it was a [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► you know important were there men around [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► and I was standing there talking to my [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► dad and somebody said something you're [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► about he he he replied to some-some [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► conversational gambits in a way that [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► seemed to my ten-year-old mind you know [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► the slightly dubious and I went oh pshaw [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► and it was like a record was like a the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► stylus across a record like my dad said [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► oh my stars and goddess [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► well 1010 fully grown adult man look [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► down means like a gas and my dad said [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► did you just tell me to piss off [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► what and I was like huh no a sha sha sha [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► ppsh-41 you sure because i had been [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► reading I think that's an onomatopoeia [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► attic but it isn't push our [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► this is the funny thing peshawar is a is [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► a comic book rendering of how it's like [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► reciprocity single-breasted he's a fake [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► cursing it's not a word [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► it's just a sound that you you you would [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► only think was a word because you had [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► read in comic books are in novels are [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► you kidding me [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► no it's not a word I thought it was like [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► a Scarlett O'Hara thing i thought of [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► something the ladies said when they were [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► saying oh I'm discounting what you said [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► no it's just a sound that it'sit's it is [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► it is it is [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► yeah onomatopoeia or is it is the [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► expression of a sound of air escaping in [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► frustration and and my dad laughed he [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► laughed but it was a hard laughs and and [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► he's laughing at you and he said that's [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► not a word that is a you are you are you [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► know he explained it to me and I mean I [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► was tomato red because all these you [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► know these guys 1980 in Alaska some of [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► these guys had had you know killed a [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► moose with their bare hands or whatever [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► and they anything they are they they [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► turned so fast you know they heard piss [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► off from me and turned so fast it was [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► like the room got ice cold and I'm [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► standing there trying to explain like no [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► it's like in Mad Magazine when somebody [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► says you know snorkel Fras or whatever [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► they're less offensive snuggle brand not [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► evident not having one that's always it [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► more that you were i was more that you [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► were sounding insulting or or that [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► you're saying something nonsensical know [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► once they understood once they [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► understood that it was just a case of me [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► up it was you know it's an example of [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► precociousness you have read more than [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► you then you know you've read more than [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► you can support but i do anything about [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► that up against the code that first [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► discussed that and they were cut they [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► were you know disposed more kindly to me [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► when they realized that I wasn't you [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► know that I wasn't like actually saying [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► piss off which was the thing I was about [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► to get hit for I never I've never heard [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► that but I realized then [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► that there that there were tons and tons [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► of words that I that I was that I was [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► saying very confidently and when I [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► really looked at them in books i [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► realized that i had transposed the [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► bowels or i have had left out a key [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► syllable out like you started you seen [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► it so much she started chucking it like [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► incorrectly right or I had a lot of [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► times i added an extra syllable two [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► words just because it seems like that [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► that was a much better word than the [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► actual word like more levels definitely [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► helps and makes you sound a little [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► fancier if you can come up with a longer [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► Latin aight word like for instance the [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► laminate is that right yeah that's right [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► the word physiognomy oh this I for a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► long time i pronounce it fizzy on me [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► Oh physiognomies me and and at a certain [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► point i pronounced it wrong and and then [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► couldn't figure out the correct [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► pronunciation and now i just i mostly [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► leave it out of the conversation because [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► I can't like physiognomy physio book on [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► me but you may be operating at two [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► high-level your vocal and I think that's [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► true in writing i am I mean I really i [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► finally bought our household a an actual [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► big Webster's dictionary because i use [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► don't you like you I used to love [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► reading you know reference books [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► encyclopedias encyclopedia ii [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► encyclopedia like what a bia I'm gonna [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► start using more to give thongs and [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► ligatures that's a great guy voices EP [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► but the um but but you know and again i [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► will find myself looking at [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► pronunciation and stuff but it's funny [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► because you know I used to think you [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► know if you're not a lot of people think [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► it's lazy to look things up in it the [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► Saurus where r well I mean if you're [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► using the Stars to try to come up with a [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► 75-cent word [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► oh I see what you mean that is that's [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► like if you want to try and sound [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► fancier you know I think that's why [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► wouldn't you know roundly criticized [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► that it's not the smartest thing to do [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► but I mean you know if you read the [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► actual real Roget's thesaurus which i [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► think the first entry is existence [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► it you know it starts you know most of [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► these to the dictionary style i'm [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► probably get this wrong look so stupid [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► but the the dictionary style the stars [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► that were used to is very closer like a [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► rhyming dictionary almost you say yeah [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► antonyms and synonyms for blah blah blah [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► but the actual Roget's thesaurus is [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► almost philosophical and sometimes yeah [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► oh yeah so that you can read it you can [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► read it like a I mean I for a long time [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► I kept one in the bathroom and we're [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► just when I was in heaven when I was in [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► there for an extended period i would [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► just like greeted your browser it [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► because it's full of so many like [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► beautiful it's like it's like on style [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► or writing utensils writing l7ii forget [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► that book at my peril all the time [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► yeah you should leave it in the bathroom [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► I i have i have a book on on the unix [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► operating system and a book on writing [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► next to the toilet [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► yeah yeah and let's be honest and house [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► mmm i was going to say the be a omnibus [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► of Wilberforce or whatever will hold a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► bit what's up man [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► the guy with the credit but we go sort [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► of the cum out of his head there will be [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► the focus sneaked whatever over horse [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► oh god I I could talk about that stuff [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► all not that but the the word stuff it i [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► think one good reason to i mean i think [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► again on the one hand this sounds [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► contradictory conservatory it is that if [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► you don't know if you don't you're about [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► to use the word and you don't know what [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► it means it paid episode already this is [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► my favorite song so contradictory gonna [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► cut all this out and start talking about [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the musicians they don't like in a [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► minute but William but you know one good [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► thing about that thesaurus is that for [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► first of all you can look up a word and [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► see if they're well-known a dictionary [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► will tell you like where the word came [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► from and so you might discover that [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► there might be especially if you're [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► writing something reverse you might [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► discover that there is in an implication [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► to the use of that word right exact not [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► know exactly tone to a temperature to [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► the word absolutely i mean each make [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► every word count or whatever they said [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► but also in thesaurus you have the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► opportunity to see is there a better [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► word ideally maybe even shorter word or [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► a more precise word that will let you [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► remove [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the words it's incredibly boring but i [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► think if you do if you get into the [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► habit of doing that you not only build [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► your vocabulary at the key become a [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► slightly better thinker because you [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► realize that there might be a better way [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► to put this and that's how you as they [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► say learn [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► yeah well I'm as the better I mean the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► reason there are synonyms every single [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► one of them my name is cinnamon is even [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► maybe a misnomer every single one of [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► those words has a different as a [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► different temperature than it conveys in [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► it and and that is that's that's encoded [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► in its root and encoded in the way it's [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► been used and popularized in it tonight [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► when we were talking about worldwide [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► words the other day didn't I mention to [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► you that he contacted me are you kidding [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► no he wrote me a letter he was like Anna [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► is the John Roderick from rob econoline [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► yes I'm the man from worldwide words and [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► I just wanted to say that i've got a lot [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► of new subscribers from you why I just [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► lost my I had a high actually move move [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► to somewhere less sense out of London [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► maybe I gotta do what I was always [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► something brompton and Robbie I'm [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► sausage shares probably when I had [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► started in in a bond but anyway he was [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► like he was like I got a bunch of new [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► subscribers from your program and I [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► wanted to thank you [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► that's lovely and it was it was nice and [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► that you know everybody the more [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► entomologists the better you could do [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► worse and you know it's it's funny it's [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► like you know funny it's funny to me [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► like some of those people like I really [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► enjoy that Jeffrey number the guy the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► guy in fresh air [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► I i love that stuff I i started [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► following after you mentioned that i [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► started i think of word nick is the one [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► that looked at and it reminds funny [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► because you're saying peshawar it [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► reminds me of the kind of thing and [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► cursing I think that's where i read this [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► but everything was a thing about you [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► know her cursing and of course i think [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► was different number of the read this [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► book called like you know the history of [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► the word asshole and stuff like that but [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► I think I apparently is an interview [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► with somebody about cursing but i'm [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► still Eunice you must know this but so [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► many of the funny phrases like you know [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► jimni cricket or cheese and crackers or [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► like there's all these ways that you [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► could avoid saying Jesus Christ right [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► jiminy Christmas [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► but but you know they ask this person [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► for example and I'm i think that's so [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► interesting that you learned shot right [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► but also asking what is this a [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► commonality and how these things have [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► changed over time and like one of the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► very few ones that's been there all [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► along has been uh let's just say a [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► reverence about God you know what I mean [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► that's one us scatology I think the [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► sexuality of people in your family comes [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► up a lot in cursing right and yeah it [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► still tells you something about the [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► culture they like the God ones have [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► become people much more permissive about [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► a god damn sure where Jesus Christ or [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► whatever well because gosh darn became [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► so I mean there was a time when you [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► legitimately said gosh darn and then it [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► became so Opie that you might as well [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► say god damn you see somebody putting [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► their thumbs into their suspenders or [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► something like that but but as a as a do [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► as a devoted reader of Mad Magazine a [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► throughout my whole childhood i started [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► probably reading mad when I was I'm i [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► have to say like five maybe [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► Wow arm and read it until i read until [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► really until the quality of the of mad [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► decline i mean i would i would still be [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► reading if it had kind of gone in the [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► shitter but like Don Martin interjecting [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► out the floppy feet in the onomatopoetic [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah like his sort of like this is [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► web splittin landscapes you know his [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► kind of his way of of of of writing out [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► sounds and and I mean is so key to his [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► storytelling and I think for for many [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► years I had a whole separate lexicon of [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► sound effects and I find that I said I [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► don't know if you do this and I and I [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► don't know if like the majority of our [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► listeners do too but I punctuated my day [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► with audible sound effects you know like [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► if I'm alone and I'm walking through my [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► house it's like a paddle zap zing book [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► like everything i'm doing if i push a [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► button if I Turner [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► if I turn a knob it's like point clink [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► seen you know i'm giving and punctuating [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► it with these noises because I think I i [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► my my experience was so touched by by [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► reading mad and I do it with my little [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► girl you know i'm walking around the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► two-year-old and everything we do i just [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► i add a little ! to like power machine [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► and I mean she I'm she's gonna grow up [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► thinking the world is a very different [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► place than it actually is and it's so [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► mean i have to give her something to [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► hate me for now you'll come up with [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► something I don't you I do it just to [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► take two things and you know the thing [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► is I'm so unselfish aware that if I'm [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► aware of that I must do it even more [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► than I think i have i have so many of [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► those that long before my daughter [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► became like a you know you know a handy [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► way to to blame my sound effects and my [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► various fully things that i do fully [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► noise right yeah but there's just [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► certain repeating ones no bonk would be [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► a big one right that a bonk can be used [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► for lots of things i do i use bonk 50 [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► times at all his bunk constantly like [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► you know you you're bumping like a bonk [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► you know or something or the last game [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► show sounds you know I get man or woman [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► yr up--bam [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► yeah losses for the other thing i do I [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► was I mean so far there's so many [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► different ways to talk to yourself for [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► example like there's something I think [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► when we think of somebody talking to [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► themselves and it was like a spectrum on [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► the one hand there's like somebody [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► somebody you know I i just started a [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► long time ago about about that lady at [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► the library where suddenly she's having [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► a very heated conversation and I turned [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► around the corner you to fuck me like [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► that I told her I said it and its issues [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► she speaks whispering I told her this [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► time to treat me like that she said and [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► looked around and she was she was very [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► very heatedly talking to no one at all [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► right she was going to drinking that's [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► she was talking to Dewey Decimal that's [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► that's one of the continuum but all [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► along the way there's stuff like [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► thinking to yourself so much that you [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► might as well be talking to yourself [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► there are some people who just kind of [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► have this little monologue where they [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► might even like moving their mouth a [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► little bit while they're talking you [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► know what i mean but I'm is constant [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► companion is the well stroll [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► I walk around the house and I go oh good [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► job nicely done [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► oh the well of course is this is a spill [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► that will be easy to clean up Oh met you [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► know at we're awarding gold ribbons [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► today for its it really is that real [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► that process work yeah for the guy for [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► the guy who can't load the dishwasher [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► and now you're really sarcastic you are [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► the number one contestant you are you [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► are in the fewer the finalists round and [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► I'm saying all this out loud I don't do [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► what anybody's around but you know it's [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► it's what i do instead of listen to the [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► radio that this [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► listen to what whoever that other person [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► is in my head just constantly berate me [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► like the wickedest like the wicked [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► stepmother that ever was [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► wow yeah it's a blast because you know [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► everyone's everything everything only [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► ones well I will you know rise up and be [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► like you know what [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► shut the fuck up for once why don't you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► president rattlesnake on that we have we [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► have such fun we laugh we could uh huh [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► that's why I hate hearing that I I used [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► to I used to think oh I don't talk to [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► myself or another thing is it is i don't [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► think it's that difficult [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► I think if you're really honest with [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► yourself a lot of us you would realize [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that there are various ways you talk to [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► yourself that because you because you're [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► not that lady you know Italian County [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► Library literally talking to herself [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► we're talking to someone who's not there [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► because my other thing i do is i have [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► little I don't know if that's the right [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► phrase like traveling music i have i [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► have little m and is it a little so [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► there's a little song I always home that [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► would put my daughter on my shoulders [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► and we we sing it together no mm-hmm [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► I don't know why we do it but we do or I [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► might make a little hmm like that sort [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► of its triumphal like horn or music that [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► you would play when the King interest [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► like a trumpet voluntary or something [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► oh I think so but if you know what's [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► funny about both of those is there so [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► even the game chef stuff i think is [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► based on this is so heavily based in [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► comics and cartoons right if you think [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► about it where you have to express and [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► overexpress something in a way that can [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► be conveyed to the reader or that you [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► don't mean doesn't balance [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► yeah so I mean I don't know I i guess in [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► some ways that count as talking to [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► yourself I think nobody wants to admit [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► yes it does seem so crazy but I mean [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► what is the phrase interior monologue or [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► into right you know interior dialogue or [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► interior you know interior direction [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► into interior parliamentary procedure I [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► about the classic example of this i [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► probably told you was the the woman I [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► was walking past on the street on [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► broadway one day and you know she's like [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► a little kind of a little lady maybe 65 [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► years old she had a sweatshirt on which [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► she had appliqued epic Wade with like [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► you know flowers and and sequins and [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► colorful paint and she had very [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► carefully stitched in big letters across [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the front of her sweatshirt [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► don't yell at me or act right right [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► don't don't yell at me sweatshirt and I [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► saw this woman and she was just out for [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► a day by herself can standing on the [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► corner of broadway and John holding her [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► purse in her don't yell at me sweatshirt [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► and I was like who is that message for [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► like either that is either that is a [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► sweatshirt that she made for her [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► husband's benefit and she wears around [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► the house and somehow she got out of the [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► house wearing it or that's a sweatshirt [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► that she made just as a general [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► announcement she prefers not to be all [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► that and she wants to she wants to get [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► ahead of the horse cart right or or [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► whether she's whether she's sending that [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► message to to you know forces to the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► rest of us can't [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► see your comprehend it must be working [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► you know you wouldn't wear it more than [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► once but here's the things through [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► well yeah but I mean the UM it clearly [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► it was homemade [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► so so only one that looks like probably [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► she made it maybe it was a gift but even [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► still she's wearing it right a gift she [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► might she might have a friend who season [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► or something is article done there's [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► also so you remember why I incorporated [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► that motto in one of the very earliest [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► long winters t-shirts which was based on [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► the what the White Castle hamburger logo [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► and the right in the center of the White [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► Castle hamburger a castle [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► it says in in a small letters don't yell [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► at me right now that you've alienated [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► enough of your friends colleagues and [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► associates it i think we can also say [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► that that you you would often refer if i [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► remember correctly you would remember [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► you would refer to the deal let your you [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► called bar suit that don't yell at me [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► labeled called don't yell at me music [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► but right yeah they're still very very [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► gentle very ultimately rock at that time [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► was don't yell at me music right pleased [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► that we're not going to yell please [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► don't know what is that looking back at [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► that what if you in fact that today what [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► is what does that mean [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► as you look back at it what would that [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► movement represents well I mean it was [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► hearing you say that at the time i would [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► think of to be honest like maybe half a [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► dozen bands that were amongst my [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► absolute favorite bands but I knew I [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► felt like I knew exactly what you meant [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► when you said that but they don't not [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► not to you know take this apart too much [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► but you're kind of don't yell at me has [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► this implication of like on the one hand [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► like it's going to be gentle gentle [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► music but it's also going to be maybe [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► it's kind of intimate like I'm telling [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► you things about myself I'm disclosing [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► these these intimate things about myself [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► right but it i don't know there's [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► something also to there's this like [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► deeper sensitivity [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► I don't know what I mean I I feel like [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► from 1982 1994 no matter what genre of [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► music you chose to be a fan of what you [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► chose to pursue [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► everybody was everybody was going for [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► full bombast all the time like pop music [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► rock music metal music country music [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► every genre was was good getting bigger [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► bigger bigger bigger right punk rock [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► music loud screaming how heavy rock [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► music loud screaming heavy metal music [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► wild screaming duran duran it wasn't [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► there was there was there were no [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► moments in a Duran Duran song where they [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► like got real right i mean the cure-all [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► for everything things in a very general [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► statement but I agree [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► things got more bombastic to call my [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► friend Richard it's all over church but [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► there's a lot of stuff that there wasn't [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► much development a lot of the time it [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► was on it was like all chorus like a [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► huge huge huge and grunge was huge huge [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► huge and by 94 [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► I mean there there was the whole [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► generation of musicians for whom the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► idea of making music that sounded like [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► seals and cross but was radical [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► revolutionary a complete like [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► overturning of the old guard and that [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► that conscientious like a removal of [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► distortion the removal of the of not [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► just yelling but even like masculine [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► singing and replacing it with breathy [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► acoustic quietness and quietude of [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► thought I mean all the way back to like [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► river like going back to Pink Moon and [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► imagining that pink moon was the was the [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► foundation argument of a whole movement [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that at the time didn't happen and just [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► starting a pink moon as if it was [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► contemporary and making music in that [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► vein [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► trying to exercise was 20 years of of of [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► really like swingin cock music I mean [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► think about David Lee Roth and and then [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► elliot smith and contrast the two and [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► they're both like guys in their twenties [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► trying to impress the world with their [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► with their inner life and it's like they [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► are different species you know I mean [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► David Lee Roth will never see his like [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► again but I mean I'm I mean it was the [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► first time i heard elliott smith it it [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► it it scared me [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► it was so spooky and so that that [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► concept and I mean I was making records [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► at the time and coming coming out of a [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► whole lifetime of being raised to a or [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► raising myself for being being [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► indoctrinated to think that that as a [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► musician I was supposed to convey sexual [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► power I was supposed to convey total [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► confidence and a sexual power and total [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► confidence that i didn't i didn't [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► personally like feel I had or understand [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden as an adult I [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► mean I was i I was 30 years old before [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► this really became the the language of [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► pop music but all of a sudden all around [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► me were young guys 23-year year old guys [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► who were singing in a whisper about [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► their teddy bears and said you know and [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► making their guitars sound as plinky and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► whisper as they could and people were [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► you know like guys were playing the [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► glockenspiel not as a joke but as their [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► primary instrument like I play the vibes [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► man that's my like a band that had like [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► a dedicated an ironic accordion player [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► for example right i mean American analog [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► set you would go to their shows and [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► you know that that that that was that [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► era of of bands where you go to their [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► shows in the butt and just the noise of [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► the bartender working would like [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► overshadow the music light low would be [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► at the example that's right right where [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you where you just you're in their ear [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► in the room and and so much of the [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► tension of the show is this tension that [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► you're carrying like please don't let [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► some drunk girls start talking [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► please don't let that guy next to me you [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► know like if he says one more thing I'm [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► going to say something to him and then [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► the guy says one more thing and you're [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► like oh wat if he says one more thing I [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► am gonna confront him you know and [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► Shh and all this kind of like energy at [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► Rock Shows yeah i mean i don't i was at [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► the knitting factory one time watching [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► Jason Molina and his and songs ohio when [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► they were in their quiet phase and a he [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► was making you know super quiet music [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► and i turned to some guy at the show and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► was like hey man if you want to talk [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► why don't you walk around the block and [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► the guy was like it's a rock show and I [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► said that's clearly not it's not a rock [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► it's a kind that's making quiet music we [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► can all hear you [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► I mean how many of those conversations [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► did we have and and you know at the time [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► like I was I saw iron and wine their [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► first time at south by southwest in a [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► room full of people talking on their [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► phones and he's up there like you know [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► whispering into the microphone in a way [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► that felt and this was my reaction to it [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► at the time like this is aggressively [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► quiet you are you are making quiet music [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► in a room full of monsters and it is a [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► it is a form of attack you know nobody's [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► enjoying it [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► no that relies almost subversive yeah [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► you're not enjoying it [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► we're not enjoying it it is as angry and [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► as a and as ugly as if you were standing [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► up there a fling shit at the audience [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► you know it was that form of that form [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► of corporate power game gamesmanship [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► where you you you talk really quietly [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► and it makes people lean in MH you know [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► that it just felt like it felt like that [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► in music [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► um but among the people that were making [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► it there was no there was no conscious [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► or at least there was no overt [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► acknowledgement that this was a power [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► game or that this was a that this was an [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► aesthetic choice that was born out of [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► anger and frustration and desire to [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► overthrow the old guard you know it was [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► presented even even in the interest of [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► inner sanctum [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► it was presented as like no man this is [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► my thing I love your thing two men this [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► is just amazing is so beautiful and I'm [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► standing there my David Lee Roth pants [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► and I'm like oh yeah oh wow you mean my [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► daughter watch the video for unchanged [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► at the day we're watching videos of [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► death [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► turn and cook the chair any chair right [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► which to her would be like if your if [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► your dad played you up pics i didn't [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► listen to this part listen this park [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► well we were it started out arm where we [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► were this video going around in the last [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► week or so of this thing really detached [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► looking fourteen-year-old girl playing [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► eruption really really well sometimes [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► you'll see the easily click on [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► yeah i mean you'll see these like you [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► know meet musical savant videos going [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► around and was like I want to play the [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► real thing and of course if you go to [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► try to find any video of eruption [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► first of all they're like the solo alone [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► is like somewhere between like 82 45 [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► minutes long it's different every time I [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► had to be honest i want to say they vary [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► in quality [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► I guess I mean that in a kind of a [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► complimentary way because he doesn't you [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► know he's got his bag of tricks [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► yeah certainly Edwards got the bag of [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► tricks but but I mean he brings [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► something it feels like he brings [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► something different to it every night [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► but of course in that let me go let me [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► take a step back okay [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► oakland 1981 are only three videos so [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► good that exists of this and I'm going [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► to show you what might be the greatest [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► van Halen song she's five and i'm [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► showing i'm making a way I'm really [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► jumps off and he does the kick [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► yea yea and all and you know what is the [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► canonical Mike Anthony douche thing is [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► he's hitting the a with just his right [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► hand and important the honey his season [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► open a well-appointed the audience and [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► pumps Jack Daniels and but you know I [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► you know but like I think about likely [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► no not gonna name names but some of the [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► folks on the label I mean I I you know I [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► you know everybody likes to name-check [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► you know Pixies which is one of my [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► all-time favorite bands but you know [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► partly I think because they were able to [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► bring like for example I think they're [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the thing of their the video of their [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► two or the DVD or whatever you call it [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► up there too was called now quiet loud [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► which is kind of a joke about Pixies [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► yeah because they they were alongside [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► that he'll be any production that i [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► thought was just perfect perfect match [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► for them the end you know another one so [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► for the same thing this ability to like [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► be so like a boy you think you think [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► stuff in the eighties in your face like [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► welcome welcome to serious in your face [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► music but then we'll just drop something [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► like gigantic which could be so endemic [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► but then also creepily quiet-like inside [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► the same song [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► yeah but i'ma quiet miss you still in [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► gigantic anything in the Pixies you [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► still felt anger and was very very [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► unsettled and like just a simmering like [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► that's something disturbing was always [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► just write it on the surface or very [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► near the surface [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► yeah and I think that that is what makes [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► elliott smith compelling but a lot of [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► that a lot of that generation of indie [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► rock that I came up in the Menace is not [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► present [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► yeah that's what I was going to say I [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► mean a lot of that post-rock we stop [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► post-rock you know which is such a weird [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► like what does that mean post-punk oddly [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► enough is very meaningful to me because [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► I think there is something in common [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► with being a family mission of burma or [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► whatever but like what would like that [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► post-rock I felt like it was a prank [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► it really felt like I mean I don't mean [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► this in the ne well I guess I didn't [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► mean it this way it's like in in the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► emperor has no clothes just in error the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► emperor's new clothes where you have [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► this sense of like its it would be [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► really i would sound like such a dumbass [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► to go like I just don't understand [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► tortoise think all of my friends are [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► named checking this one record with [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► whatever this 15-minute glockenspiel [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► song on it [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► I don't understand it godspeed you black [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► emperor i get i can actually get big [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► time because it sounds like I would [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► listen to that on this all right I would [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► listen that on subway and honestly feel [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► like everything literally an entire [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► world was about to collapse a national [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► stuff oh and they were great at the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► diner dynamics that's a lot of post-rock [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► it was [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► precious it was so you know what I mean [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► like the ball yeah that was I was [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► sharing the stage with a lot of those [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► bands and and getting up getting a lot [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► of rolled eyes at my theatrics [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► I mean I told you the first time that I [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► ever met Josh Rosenfeld's for in his [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► capacity as a record label owner he sat [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► down with me in a pizza restaurant and [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► said yeah your bands not really my thing [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► that was the Hurricanes that wasn't her [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► again so I was like oh why are we here [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► then why did we come to this restaurant [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► to meet and he said I my wife really [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► likes you and I was like well that's [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► good that's great hope you're picking up [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► the tank up he said yeah but for my [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► tastes like to any distortion boxes and [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► i was like i have i just have the one [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► and he was like yeah like exactly one is [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► too many and his band was very quirky [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► yeah there but they were mean he's got [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► an insulting way but it was challenging [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► their music was I think pretty [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► challenging in some ways my band before [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► the Western State hurricanes the bun [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► family players was exactly in the stuff [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► in the family of this busy monster where [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► every song had not just five different [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► time signatures but also for different [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► genres like the verses were like country [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► swing and then there was a ska that it [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► was you know it went into double time [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► ska and then it went into three quarter [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► time you know I like Paul waltz chorus [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► and then hardcore thrash bridge and you [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► get to the end zone and then it was [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► about the song was about Bernoulli's [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► principle and you get to the end and it [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► was 11 minutes long and and you know the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► audience is sure two cds in the back [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► yeah the audience feels like they just [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► took a like a intensive summer chords it [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► slow [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► clap you dislike thank you thank you all [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► right we were you being like [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► deliberately eclectic well yeah that was [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► of course that was that was our reaction [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► to grunge was a grunge was so [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► self-serious and along with allowing [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► along with the loud bombast through the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► eighties and nineties was also trip you [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► know tremendous self seriousness i mean [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► as soon as ya as soon as David Lee Roth [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► went away even the spandex metal dudes [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► became like they forgot that they were [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► that they were clowns you know the guy [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► by the late eighties those guys in those [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► guys at Nelson her whatever seriously [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► she's actually my cherry pie literally [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► like they really get they really thought [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► they were legitimate artist and it's [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► like hey you guys are a joke on a joke [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► let me say it again because you might [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► not have heard my words listen every [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► Loes has a thorn [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► yeah you're wearing your mom's makeup [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► like you're legitimately worried you're [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► probably Cruz seemed really dangerous [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► they never did to me I swear to you that [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► first Motley Crue records had a [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► pentagram on it it did have a pentagram [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► but they were wearing they were wearing [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► like a roach clip whether they're here [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► and having the ants makeup [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► yeah and I you know an adam and the ants [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► felt dangerous to me because yeah [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► desperate but not serious oh yeah that [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► came out of the wild frontier out and [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► still is so odd it gets but I was like [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► every band gets odder and odder to me [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► every year he was mugging for the camera [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► but he was here he was like dangerously [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► bisexual seeming but also so beautiful [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► that you felt like well yeah I mean if [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► you get this Gracie like burundi [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► drumming and drummers ya playin that [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► that might create i guess i'm not sure [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► exactly that means the right word that [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► from put into don't but don't worry yeah [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► right but it was menacing to Babu Babu [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► anytime like Morocco because all and [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► exactly song sounds like almost [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► rockabilly in some ways so that you know [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► that was like gender bender II and the [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► end but you know Adam and didn't take [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► himself seriously he was cloud around [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► like it like like fee waybill [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► the end he also understood like each [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► album was I mean each record was like a [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► different version of himself for the [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► first like four records you know and [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► yeah it was wearing makeup or whatever [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► but you know the dude going from like [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► like pirate guy writer like you know [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► fabi prince charming like he was he was [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► mad just by us he was playing to the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► last row but it was it was willfully [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► theatrical but I mean I've always felt [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► like so much of the stuff in popular [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► music you know this whatever typical [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► teenager thing but by the time i was a [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► senior like everything on the charts was [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► just so rough i got dammit I wish you'd [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► been there we visited with some friends [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► last night we should talk about this [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► I was saying such complimentary things [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► about Phil Collins you should've been [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► well I you know Phil Collins really [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► stands up he stands up to the test of [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► time in a way that i do not think you [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► can say glenn frey does phil collins [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► that stuff those games and lost our [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► killer ok and i had to explain to Jason [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► thin not I mean when I talk about and [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► everyone everybody forgets can I say two [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► words invisible touch that's what [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► everybody forgets and I told him that [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► the household him and scoots literally [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► every sunday morning i'm in the shower [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► as long as it takes to listen to turn on [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► again five times great tube and we sat [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► down and we sat down and looked at [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► wikipedia and listen to it on our phones [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► and we came up with the time signature [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► is it's totally bananas [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► what is the time depending on how you [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► depending on how you count it i think [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► it's i think it's like that it could be [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► thirteen six or any way that jason has [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► the girls into it but here's the thing [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► is a good chance that the programming [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► Jason is obviously a pro he's a pro [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► drummer but these types in the sea is [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► tight but this is the thing about [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► drummers they're all like these pro [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► timekeepers but no no they're not that [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► that that they get you know they get a [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► beginning their boxes just like anybody [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► yeah but NYC not like maybe it's nothing [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► against Jason he's great but I mean I [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► think he should be on our ad hoc board [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► I've worked I worked up with some of the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► best drivers in the business let me tell [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► you i got to tell you and a lot of them [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► you know they they get the getting their [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► way of playing [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► and then it's very hard for them to like [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► you know I'm and even the ones that are [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► like I studied afro-cuban for two years [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► that's really said different from guitar [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► players though [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► well no its success but that's the thing [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► it's exactly the same but but but [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► drummers you know this is their province [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► this is there there one job and I bet [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► there and you know i can say that like [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► it's anything like I said they're so bad [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► i would say it's hard to talk about [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► it's hard to give a note to a drummer [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► sometimes to use this your parents with [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► our plane you're playing a little loud [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► your back to light a fire extinguisher [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► right next to my mom needed to give [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► enough to the drummer I was just headed [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► with the fire extinguisher person men in [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the has the shock wore off that i would [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► say hey maybe like maybe like ratchet [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► down the high handle that they'd be like [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► but but i remember back into the two and [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► it's like a big post-traumatic problem [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► people want to start on a music show [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► well you know what is kind of a music [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► show I mean maybe it split in we could [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► see it split into food handler Hitler [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► music I think mental mental illness [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► probably mental illness i want to talk [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► more about Johnny Carson I don't think [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► we talked about i would love to talk so [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► much about Hitler we hardly ever talk [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► about Carson now I I think he was he was [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► complicit [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► yeah well you know Carson was you know [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► in a way the Hitler of late-night he's [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► he's a very he's a very like is his [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► television progeny david letterman he's [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► a tough nut to crack [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► it's because it breaks my heart in a way [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► that David Letterman I I think he was a [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► very I don't know if you you know what [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► they always say you know if you're [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► sitting in a bar [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► it's okay to look never look lonely it's [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► okay to look lonesome but never looked [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► lonely I think Johnny Carson was a [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► little lonesome well jackie was look [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► desperately lonely i mean if you think [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► about all those guys jack paar Steve [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► Allen you know and Letterman to like [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► none of them none of them did you feel [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► like went home at night and just likes [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► like sat and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► and stared at the floor in the way that [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► you feel like Carson he was so beautiful [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► on TV and and you just get the feeling [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► from everything you know about him and [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► he got in his car and he drove home and [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► he went into his room and he just sat in [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► a chair and stared at the floor and [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► waited for sleep i right [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► I'm a little bit obsessed with him right [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► now did you see that as a good doctor a [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► PBS documentary about him yeah i know it [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► makes you it makes you it says it's like [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► one of these Hitler documentaries where [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► you see inside the man and you're like [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► oh cheese [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► oh geez if I could go back in time if I [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► could go back in time and tell him not [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► to invade the Soviet Union I don't think [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► that would be the right thing to do [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► historically because you would be [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► helping Hitler i think is what wonder [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► bein would say is you have to go back [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► and kill hitler's father that his name [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► what's his name wonder bein wonder paid [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► well but wolf in charge of the stable [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► voltage mitsuoka shots that's got a nice [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► that though woman shots he has the [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► toilet paper for eyes how well for [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► Chauncey Gardiner I mean I definitely [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► Hitler's dad was an asshole I think [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► Johnny Carson's mother was an asshole [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► no I'm gonna watch that again tonight [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah i'm i'm i'm super down on his [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► mom I feel like she's you know you he he [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► you go through history and you you make [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► a catalog of all the great war criminals [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► and you know they're all dudes are gonna [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► watch any cars in our way they're all [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► they're all dudes with mustaches hot but [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► but I'm shalini he's kind of ineffectual [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► well yeah you're right even if somebody [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► was a huge sort of a hanger-on do you [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► think I well you know Nobu Cellini was [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► in power a long time before Hitler or [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► Stalin Mussolini was the he's like kinda [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► like the he sort of like the canada of [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► dictators where the trial and the [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► Oakland of dictators like if he had been [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► off on his own or like a Franco if you [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► if you had that just that guy in [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► obscurity go while the guys real asshole [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► but you know next to Joe and Hitler and [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► Stalin he doesn't really stand up does [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► he [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► but well in terms of like atrocity [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► probably not but I mean look at the big [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► board to you also have to have to think [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► you know Italy and Spain like the [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► standard until you think we should [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► adjust for the size of the country small [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► it doesn't seem so bad then not just the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► size I mean I [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► I mean that those people are are easily [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► distracted by by by a nice dinner and [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► had a nice bottle of wine you know they [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► get started on an atrocity and then it's [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► like somebody ring the dinner bell for [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► Italy your car breaks down over here we [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► got any soup [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► ok we'll get started on that tomorrow [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► and then they forget the side it out so [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► lots of mozzarella I just always when I [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► was a kid I remember hearing that he had [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► been he and his mistress had been hung [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► up with piano wire and I never really [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► track that down but it haunted me in my [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► memories that he was hung up in a public [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► square with piano you never see the [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► pictures of service photos [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► oh that's terrible it's terrible it's [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► not it's not a nice thing and you know [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► they did they kind of did the same thing [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► to judge chesko it man and Romania [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► however many years later because of [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► course as you know we've talked before [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► the Romanians very close to the Italians [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► and a lot of ways we get us also i'm not [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► always down another shot at geography I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► think we're John has John ever told you [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► the story about the time that he was in [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► bonita he saw with jenni carlson was [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► born [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► oh but i but so so so the one family [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► players definitely were reaction to the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► self seriousness of wear and also of you [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► know Soundgarden and away [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► I mean the part of the mythology of [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► seattle is that honey and a lot of the [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► early crunchers were like so take the [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► piss and so fun you know like that they [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► were fun this was the everett true [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► version money but he was so silly [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► well you had a good way I can't get out [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► of my face I mean that stuff was fun it [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► was it it was fun but it was the kind of [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► like I don't know being in the middle of [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► it did not feel fun [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► I don't even even before the big [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► explosion [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► no because it was so it was so fuck you [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► that the fuck you was the fuck you was [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► like a fire hose of fuck you [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► it didn't feel to me like we are saying [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► fuck you to them [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► it felt to me like they were saying fuck [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► you to everybody [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► and that there's something less fun [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► about that certainly not as fun as you [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► imagine like being at the first red hot [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► chili pepper shows you know what I mean [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► like or whatever like oh yeah but yeah [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► the Southern California version of [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► punk-rock fun which was like what versus [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► the Seattle version of punk-rock fun [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► which was like I like seeing the [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► Buzzcocks women had an early days or [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► something would have been it would have [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► been hilarious and fun at up here it was [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► you know so attended to that whole we're [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► losers we suck thing that at least for [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► me and maybe it's maybe that it is that [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► at 21 years old I was a massive downer [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► and I failed to see the kind of ratty [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► humor of it but but it you know it felt [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► it felt real like like kind of college [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► radio superior it felt it felt in all [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► its funds is obviously it was a trying [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► to appear unselfconscious which make [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► better when in fact it was deeply [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► self-conscious it's just the fact that [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► was so Reverend of the Stooges you know [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► just just the idea that it would that [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► there was there was a kind of reference [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► in its irreverence that was exclusionary [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► of most like it was like it was woohoo [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► but you all but also you don't get it [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► everything about the Chili Peppers you [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► imagine those early shows where they're [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► just like four white guys playing folk [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► music and we're playing it fast and the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► one guy can't sing well [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► propylparaben develop apps like there's [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► no there's no subtext there's barely a [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► text [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► it's just like let's take acid and dance [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► and and with the with the grunge thing [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► it was much more like what do you know [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► let's let's have some cough syrup open [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and schedule a little bit and like and [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► like oh if you don't if if you don't [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► have the following records then you're [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► not going to get what this is about and [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► so it's all you're already out you're [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► already outside you can't be inside it [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► because of the only guys that are inside [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► of the two guys that are that have [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► decided like what the canonical records [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► are and that was my that was my take on [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► it and so a lot of those bands [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► in the middle period of seattle before [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► Andy came out they were we were we were [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► stands mata CLE reacting to grunge [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► grunge was so impressive and [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► particularly the heroine elements I mean [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► there's nothing less fun then you take [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► all those guys and then you make them [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► junkies like there's nothing less fun [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► than that it's not fun at all and so you [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► know the bun family players were like [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► let's play every kind of music at the [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► same time and we'll call ourselves the [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► bun family players so no one can [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► possibly like us you could not you could [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► not sell a single t-shirt for a band [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► called the bun family players there's [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► nothing cool about it and it and and [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► this busy monster was was the same like [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► so uncool and of course we were hoping [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► that that hyper uncoolness would be cool [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► because you know following the be [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► inextricable logic of park as you [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► plummet into profound uncoolness you get [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► closer to the source of truth and that [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► isn't the case we were just deeply [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► uncool [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► and-and-and-and impossible to listen to [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► and enjoy [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► we don't want thing about staying with [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► punk rock the LCD one thing you are [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► wonderful and you don't need this to go [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► out beyond not we are you know I think [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► about the the bands that I'm that I that [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► we've talked about the we both really [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► enjoyed it especially ones that the eve [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► mentioned as being very influential on [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► your on your taste in your styling and [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you're so forth [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► e I'm just a couple times you get the [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► easy top ACDC the flapper no it's not [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► like such a tool like a guy who puts his [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► clippers artists don't don't play the [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► index cards on the top ACDC no no but [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► also like like Judas Priest I mean you [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► know or for me i mean i I'm sorry that I [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► guess they're considered work for me [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► like maybe like like The Ramones or you [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► know certain you know what though I mean [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► what looking at all those bands have in [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► common [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► you could come in look certainly def [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► leppard [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► they're ridiculously pretentious moments [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► but there's a simple is the wrong word [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► maybe instead of simplicity maybe once a [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► directness there's certainly a lot of [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► directness with ac/dc there's that you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► know what i mean but what's X I'm saying [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► is like that's a debt so all of that is [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► so even when you know Rob Halford [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► singing about grinder you know looking [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► for me like me listening to that stuff [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► there's such there's still such a [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► directness to it it's why the first [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► remotes record to me still it's goofy [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► and stuff but those three chords or four [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► chords on some songs I mean that's [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► overstated you know what I mean there's [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► a certain directness and it just say [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► there are four chords on that record is [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► to overstate it [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► well I do the think that's it that's a [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► minor but the but you know what all [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► those have in common is that they have a [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► directness and if you take out the part [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► where you add this layer of outside [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► earnest or you know that you choose you [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► know that over time you cling to that [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► outside earnest and let's not get [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► started on that but I think sometimes [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► people are little embarrassed to like [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► things that are direct just as some [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► people are embarrassed to like something [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► that's a little byzantine like some [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► people don't want us like last night I [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► we're at a bar second part they like [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► Steely bear makes up everybody likes to [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► do well i mean i think about forty-nine [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► percent of the population [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► haha i've never had your waiter in [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► training and claimed to like Steely Dan [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► friend Allison a ghostie what she likes [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► this again i don't know i could swear [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► that she likes to lay there with my [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► pronouncing it right [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► however I got to go gossiping see that's [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► it that's a perfect example to host you [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► got thirsty [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► obviously no uncle Steve you know also [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► she's a she's like a she's a lobster [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► Langosta honesty but but I was like a [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► little bit love that ping-pong I think [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► we are your family when you leave the [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► fuck you [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► hey your friend been okayed by said fuck [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► you this petroliana i was listening to [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► the first black sabbath record the other [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► day not they let you know not this not [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► paranoid Black Sabbath department is [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► what the creepy like Hieronymus Bosch [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► looking cover [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► don't think enough yeah i'm looking [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► about your anyway go ahead Alex's black [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► SAP on it and they're there are there [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► are a lot of great tracks up on there [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► and but there's also there's also some [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► embarrassing moments on it where you get [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► the sense that Ozzy is trying to be [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► scary [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► yeah he understands they all understand [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► that they're making a new kind of music [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► and that it is scary sounding scary [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► music and Ozzy is ripping in his kind of [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► like oh yeah kill me down and he's like [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► trying to sound like he's being tortured [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► by the devil at and maybe in 1969 you'd [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► hear that and end it with you know for a [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► lot of people would be genuinely [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► frightening but you would have to be [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► about 10 years old i mean i understand [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► why why Sabbath was kind of panned by [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► the critics initially because we listen [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► to it now it just sounds like Sabbath [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► that's how that's how it's meant to [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► sound and in the context of the later [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► Sabbath records you get you get its [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► place and you understand what he's doing [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► but if you heard it [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► if you heard it like for the first time [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► you would say like oh it's some guys [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► trying to make Halloween music or the [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► head there they're trying too hard to be [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► spooky and it's and it just sounds dumb [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► and and yet like they are one of the [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► they're one of my favorite bands [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► certainly like a massive influence on me [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► personally in terms of like who I [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► worship in terms of my god versus the [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► devil do I think fairies wear boots i [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► yes i did not i haven't got a plan i [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► have it on good authority but you know [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► but yeah going back to that record and [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► trying to listen to it trying to listen [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► to that record trying to listen to [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► zeppelin one with fresh ears as though [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► you had not only never heard those [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► records but never heard those bands [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► and you're and you're a guy who's just [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► like buying records in 1968 like oh [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► let's check out these new bands and you [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► know it's not that hard to imagine why [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► music critics were like what this is [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► really like we've gone too far now and [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► the blues and heavy rock is being made [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► for kids now this is for [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► for kids now this is for [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► kids and it's only later it's only [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► because I guess we were kids when we [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► have for her at first but also like what [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► those bands became we can go back to [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► those records and say like yeah that's [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► tough but they're they're pretty mean [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► you know not to over use the term clown [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► act but you can cut in contrast to like [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► how serious that how serious the Blues [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► were being taken in 1966 pretty but that [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► that music is pretty funny [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► really i'm looking at the cover it's not [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► the one I was thinking of but it's it's [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► funny because it it looks like it's just [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► when Norwegian black metal band that has [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► the most ridiculous video I've ever seen [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► in my life I've linked to numerous times [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► and it's this it's this pan that's [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► created their own mythology about how [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► they're they're kind of like druids [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► protecting a kingdom of their own design [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► and is because that swing their beards [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► right are they squealing [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► well now it's in the video they're [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► standing like need knee-deep in a check [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► creek there like in brackish water with [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► the guitar is not plugged in hiding [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► behind piles of leaves and campaign [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► through it sounds like sounds like the [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► first king video [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► ah community with bushes if you know [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► what I mean [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► anyway it is weird that like I don't [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► know why I keep thinking this I think we [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► talked about this before but like it's [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► funny like what feels dangerous to [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► people at a certain time and in [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► retrospect I mean that I think we've [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► talked about this too much probably but [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► like judas priest and the whole like the [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► lawsuit you know that they go through [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► suicide do it and like when I was I mean [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► I room I I everybody remembers [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► backmasking everybody of our agents [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► hearing about bath backmasking and you [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► play records backwards and sometimes it [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► was deliberate but my grandma who was [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► she was not yet Pentecostal she was on [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► the slide to Pentecostal but you know [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► she would know by cassette tapes from TV [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► ministers and she you know we share one [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► with me about like what what all this [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► music actually meant and it at the time [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► it felt so booga-booga like in the same [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► way as Dungeons and Dragons felt really [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► booga-booga at the time you're going to [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► my god in retrospect you [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► can you imagine in retrospect and [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► setting you aside someone who actually [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► literally would play in the sewer like [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► but for most of us but we were good we [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► were sitting around with dozens of dice [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► and books and like that casting spells [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► yeah more like you know throwing people [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► in the back of a van it was could hardly [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► have been more nerdy and now I mean when [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► you go back and listen to some of the [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► stuff all the stuff that seems so [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► dangerous like at a certain time I mean [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► you can also understand like somebody [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► your grandmother's generation all of a [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► sudden it is the it is all the rage [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► among teenagers to be practicing [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► witchcraft basically you can see where [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► it freaked him out i mean there isn't [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► anything comparable now culturally [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► except except that the internet is like [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► a like a blanket [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► there be dragons for old people they [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► don't know what the kids are doing on [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► their sending a snapchat pictures of [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► their cooters to each other but but you [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► think about I mean I remember walking [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► home school can capture that computer [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► could perhaps a goose maps [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► oh my god that's our app that there's no [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► a in its snps oh we just made a billion [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► dollars get marco on the phone snaps [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► snaps so it will set it to someone's [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► face of us out the Sailor whoever lot of [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► myspace and it will be aboard the [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► million dollars billion dollars anyway I [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► remember walking home from school during [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► the dungeons and dragons hysteria [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► hysteria hysterical i think that you're [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► thinking out there that that's one after [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► he lost the arm [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► yeah person I and I i was walking home [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► in the seventh grade or something like [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► that and really really really focusing [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► all of my psionic ability to test [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► whether or not I actually did have some [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► kind of magic [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► oh really and what I mean I walking by [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► myself it's 40 degrees below zero and [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► what there's no there's no one on the [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► streets not even cars because no one is [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► no it's crazy enough to go out [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► and I'm what you know I walked home from [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► school every day and it was a couple of [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► miles and on these really really cold [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► days I was it was like I was in another [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► world i was in another the the [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► environment was so because when it's [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► that cold like the air freezes kind of [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► in front of you and your intentions and [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► like there's there's such a it must be [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► so there's something less than [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► monochromatic like that right [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► it's just you must be purely like like [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► whiteout and so cold that you [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► I mean I've been so-called sometimes I [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► get confused yeah you might not exactly [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► practically hallucinate right yeah and [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► on this particular day I got home and my [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► head and unusually my sister was home [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► she was never home after school I don't [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► know whether she's homesick or what it [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► was but I cut I got home and my sisters [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► and normally I would have been I would [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► have been arriving home by myself and I [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► was my extremities were numb and I was [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► like completely like like you're saying [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► groggy not sure what you know kind of [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► confused and I was struggling to get the [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► key in the lock and she opened the door [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► she was like my god what are you doing [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► outside and she rushes me and she put me [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► in the bathtub and my sister was when I [TS]