Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► I John hi Merlin I know it's you because [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► i was just talking to on the phone you [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► sure yeah pretty sure i was out doing [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► help me do some troubleshooting a [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► computer [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► yeah you were i had see I had to reboot [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► my USB because my firewire was who had [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► forgotten that it was a friend [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► oh and you you you told me that I should [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► unplug everything and then then plug it [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► all back in [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► I to be honest with you i think i'm a [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► mostly understand what you're saying but [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► I'm not really a technologist could you [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► give that to me again pick somebody's [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► well so what happened there are better [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► pick somebody got used to work with a [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► my boss was always smarter than me in [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► every conceivable way and i would go [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► into him [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► you know how i get right oh I do yeah [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► we're going to his office who is it [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► because you just tell your family too [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► and i would misuse like have to say [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► javascript yeah yeah but like you know [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► me like I will go in and and in my [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► pre-medicated days especially i would [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► give him this [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► you know in missus of of having [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► understood data [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► haha and and Richard would leaned back [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► in his chair any positive for a minute [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► and ego can you give that to me getting [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► eggs and bunnies a and I say you know [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► what I i'm kinda down morning I don't [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► know what I'm talking about is your fine [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► just explain it just explain out i'll [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► understand i'll figure out the technical [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► stuff tell me what you want the webpage [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► to that well as you have said over and [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► over and over [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► turn your computer off and then turn it [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► back on [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► isn't that is not just like oh alright [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► and in this case I needed to actually [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► unplug all the devices and plug them [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► back in but it's the same thing [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► well I I i get the sense that you're you [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► know what fuck it you're kind of I know [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► you're like this and i'm definitely like [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► this where like I am or I'm like cock [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► and gets owned one gets so mad about how [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► fucking stupid your fucking computers [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► started a curse John [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► but last night you were using your [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► headphones at 2am and everything was [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► copacetic get up today it's Alex Van [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► Halen 60th birthday and you can even [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► make your computer work and that's crazy [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► frustrating and in my experience that's [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► when I go off the rails [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► yeah that is doing all kinds of crazy [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► and we think pong lots of crazy voodoo [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► shit start taking things apart the blue [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► the Voodoo that the Haitian voodoo [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► priests that listen to our podcast are [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► so bad right now that you are merging [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► the name of their religion their going [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► to get together with the Scientologists [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► in the Santeria practice practitioners [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► anywhere we're gonna get a fucking low [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► tone chicken in the middle low don't [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► jected to go to get a lot of chocolate [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► chicken tikka China and Chinese look at [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► that haha you know the thing that makes [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► me mad right now is I've got this [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► bluetooth keyboard that you recommended [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► that I get that it's a wonderful thing I [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► really liked everything about it except [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► every time I i sit down at my computer [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► it says the bluetooth setup assistant [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► shows up and says I cannot find your [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► bluetooth keyboard and then the keyboard [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► then it does find the keyboard who but [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► there's this there's this like [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► interlocutor shin for 4 30 seconds or [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► I'm sitting at the thing and I have to [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► look at this [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► I have to look at this box pop up that I [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► know is wrong and the fact that the [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► boxes that's the problem [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the fact that the box is wrong that [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► there's no way to say there's no way to [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► type into the machine or say into the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► microphone [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► listen computer figure it out it's going [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► to be the same everyday everyday this [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► thing is there and every day you're [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► going to find it and every day you're [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► fucking wrong sorry I'm cursing like you [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► every day you're wrong mr. question has [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► happened more than once [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► happens every time ok give me just a [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► second here right we're gonna fix [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► something you're gonna tell me down i [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► cannot plug it because it's Bluetooth [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► where are you i'm sorry my binder I [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► going to the party are you okay [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► mmm is your computer mac or pc haha [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► it's a dell dude I got a dell have you [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► run recent software updates just ensure [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► mac or pc is up-to-date [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► yes hmm i even hot plug x USB did you [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► get that to me again in pigs and bunch [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► haha night I know exactly what you mean [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► and I used to feel that you know you [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► know software has in large part gotten [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► so much better over over the years that [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► it's got more standardized especially on [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► a Mac but it used to drive me crazy you [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► drive me crazy when i get a dialog box [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► and I didn't like any of the options [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► it was making me mad we're certain makes [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► me so mad it's the problem with the with [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► the internet internet helpmate what's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► that called the Ombudsman the Robert [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► rice [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► yeah Robert Wright show in your computer [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► the one that says I am trying to solve [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► your internet connectivity problem [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► letting guess yeah it has no useful mr. [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► all it just tells you what you already [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► know it makes you jump through like [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► seven different hoops and then it's like [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► you can't connect to the internet [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► partner John is part of the problem is [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► we've both been to college [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► yes and we've done stuff and we don't oh [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► we don't like being told stupid shit [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► without having a chance to defend [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► ourselves [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► thank you don't you think I don't like [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► being told stupid chip [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► full stop I'll tell you what drives me [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► crazy right now buddy you go to one of [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► those stupid goddamn web pages where you [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► just want to go look at the stupid [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► goddamn article and you get a jump start [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► missing a JavaScript pop-up window that [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► says would you like to get our iphone [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► app with subscription for free fitness [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► magazine and you have to search and [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► everything like button blacked out [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► behind ya and you can't read anything [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► and then have a search search for the X [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► yeah and where's the here's what the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► excess it says it says something like [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► incredibly passive-aggressive like yes [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► I'm ready to be a value consumer or No [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► thank you no thank you i'd like to be [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► reminded about this later [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► yes i do not i'm not thanking you i do [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► not want that to be a nice i'm thanking [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► you for nothing [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► I want the third option to be no fuck [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► you fuck you in the eye javascript go [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the fuck away [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► it's so frustrating i don't like I you [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► know what it is i get i'm kind of [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► paraphrasing my friend scott simpson [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► here but I get blamed for enough things [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► in my life as it is there are so many [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► things that i have screwed up by a lot [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► of things [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► sorry I blame me for a lot of what you [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► should i'm a mess but you know because I [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► screw up so many things i'm a little bit [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► sensitive about somebody including a [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► computer pop-up window [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► yeah I'm telling me that the settings [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► aren't right when I know it's not my [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► formal here here let me just run this by [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► so I do not have not I have not updated [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► adobe flash what you might call it and [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► every time i go on to say I go to these [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► I go to websites that deal the tills [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► about your research i think that's one [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► of my reasons to pete townsend of our [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► generation start my Pete Townsend [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► research i go to websites that employ [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► flash and for four months every time I [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► go to these websites i get this adobe [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► the window that says you you haven't [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► updated flash and you need to and I [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► think about it and I'm like the only [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► reason i would need to update flash to [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► look at this website is so that the [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► animated ads on the side of the screen [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► can can annoy me with their with their [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► Tourette's like flashing and so I have [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► noted i I can't think of another reason [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► to that I employ flash so i have not [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► updated it well today after I did my [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► latest software update this is [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► fascinating radio by the way [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► oh no this is important materials were [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► getting at something much deeper than [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► the pop-up today the the with that I get [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► a different kind of window that pops up [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► and says you have not updated adobe [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► flash for so long now [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► now we are just blocking flash content [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► from your computer and on the side of [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► the websites that i visit all of the all [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► of the places where which are [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► advertisements are now just like broken [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► link sign and I could not be happier [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► like there is no it is it it feels like [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► a hack like is that all it took [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► justjust [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► sable flash and now I don't know now I [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► can just look at websites and they're [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► not screaming at me right [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► like thank God why why do I not have [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► that in on everything why do I not have [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► Wi-Fi not disabled it on my phone so [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► that when I go when I click through on [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► Twitter to a link to read an article i'm [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► not as in there was a very oh there's a [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► video somebody talking about [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► incontinence that pops up [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► I don't want it and now now i have i [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► have successfully I have successfully [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► blocked broken flash it's a lot Johnson [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► war of attrition is that means if i go [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► to some like 2002 indie rockers on an [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► updated website i'm not going to see the [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► animation couple of a little clown with [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► some balloon skip intro i always thought [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► if I were the president of adobe i would [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► i would want to be named skip intro [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► skipping skip intro would be such a good [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► punk rock made you know what's great [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► about that also is like it'sit's is [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► exactly that kind of guy that you meet [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► who goes and you sure you've encountered [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► this guy this guy goes like for taking [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► the time to roll [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► come on down here is a chat let me let [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► me tell you a little bit about what I've [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► been up to [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► ah skip intro yeah just sounds like [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► every every person I meet come home i [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► got that that is my comic con is a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► variety of reasons i'm looking at [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► comic-con remember me razzing about [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► comic-con I want you your tick you're [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► telling me that you're thinking to go [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► into coming well you know it's about [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► your daughter is a confirmed comic-con [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► comer comic shop copper haha she can [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► this complication [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► she has today she is a unicorn prints [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► and her friend who is a girl who's she [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► catches sometimes now is a princess [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► oh yeah oh man can't tell you how much [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► this is a new rail because how much I [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► love my kids going I'm going to miss it [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► we I dropped off this morning and this [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► awesome little boy you know he's very [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► very boyish boy but he's got along here [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► he shows up today he's wearing blue [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► jeans and a rugby shirt [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and a fuchsia giant flower headband in [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► his hair [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► uh I woke up and I go name of kid [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► you look awesome and his end of course [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► my daughter is dressed as a boy because [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► she's a unicorn prince and I said yeah [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► you know elysa uniform prints today and [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► and I said god you look awesome and his [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► mom turns me and goes he wanted to be [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► pretty today [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► oh don't you know your guy you know [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► they're gonna be in kindergarten and [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► people are gonna like throw paste at him [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► for wearing stuff in their hair and [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► that'sthat's I don't know it's the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► modern-day community in 2003 I'm talk [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► about 10 years ago [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► you know I was on tour with death cab [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► for cutie and we played in burlington [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► vermont one night and it was a it was [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► cold it was cold and i went down to the [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► to the main street of a Burlington which [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► is like a gypsy bizarre it's like a it's [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► like a little bit tame it says they're [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► not station are there Roma I'm sorry [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► gypsy people Roma people they won't be [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► here for long do I am and I'm an [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► old-fashioned person and I still refer [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► to as gypsies and i know its offensive [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► at real gypsies walk single file to [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► disguise their numbers and interesting [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► they they put their shoe print in the [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► shoes of those blasters are are too [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► precise for her gypsy but as i'm [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► downtown and you you know it's one of [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► these places where you can get you can [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► get homemade almond butter and you can [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► get you know like help underwear and at [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► and there's this there's a little kiosk [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that selling scarves and I needed a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► scarf and i bought a scarf and it was [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► the and i bought the pink scarf because [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► it was the one that appealed to me and I [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► come back to the venue and on the way [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► back you know this is Burlington Vermont [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► this isn't like this is Oklahoma City [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► that's that's deep fleece and NPR [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► country [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► yeah yeah and i'm walking back to the [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► venue and then so on the trip to the [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► venue and then at the venue you know no [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► fewer than six people comment kind of [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► with the right [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► that i'm wearing a pink scarf so that's [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► how it is in his hand and I had not [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► occurred to me when i bought it that [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► there would be any that that would be [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► any kind of signal or that it would in [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► any way be too confusing for people that [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► I had chosen the pink one is simply [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► because the pink one was the handsomest [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► of the scarves is it these are strangers [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► were talking about these are people on [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► the street and then when i arrived at [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► the venue there are people i'm [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► interacting within the course of of the [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► work that I am doing about to put on a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► rock shell and everybody's like nice [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► pink scarf em and I was like thank you [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► it is a nice pink scarf and what's [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► amazing to me Marla and maybe it's [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► something about the color of pink that [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► this pink scarf is because it's very [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► pink but i still wear the scarf and i [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► still get comments from people like nice [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► pink scarf em and i think is pink really [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► is it is it such an off-limits color for [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► an adult man that you cannot have one [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► item of pink flare that it doesn't freak [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► somewhere like a pink polo shirt I think [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► I by wear pink all up and down because [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► pink is a handsome color represents a [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► very handsome coffee of the rain [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► sometimes you have the right skin tone [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► especially big fella like you know I [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► think it's a nice way to soften your [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► look with troubles me though and I don't [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► think about some heat at all although I [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► feel like soften em is a little bit of a [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► gender normative always like saying [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► somebody's fat [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► yeah you don't say think it's a soft [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► pink is optic I said some I said [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► somebody was a Nancy the other day oh [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► dear [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and I got a bunch of raised eyebrows [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► Nancy I wish not like I wish you could [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► pick our listeners come on man see he's [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► our generalization see Johnson some time [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► we're gonna we're gonna have to have a [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► program where we really really boil it [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► down and have a discussion about the [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► word no I think we would just sit and be [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► racist and sexist all we would be we [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► would do that for an hour and everybody [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► will hate us forever on purpose we would [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► deliberately try to impress people now I [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► I unintentionally thought about [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► semiotics this morning and I had to set [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► it aside [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► I said leave it [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► now i'm thinking about the troubles that [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► you're now you're in a safe space [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► yeah it signifies a safe space this is [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► the difference but but I as I sit here [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► what troubles me about that is yes [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► obviously there's this whole like you're [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► a giant fag thing but what also troubles [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► me is now that's what that's what [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► they're saying but what troubles me [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► about it is that whole like and this is [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► what I don't want my daughter and her [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► friend with the fuchsia hair to have to [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► face future hair thing is uh is this [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► whole like oh and you drop this thing [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► you don't even say you look like a [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► homosexual and that's bad [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► they're not even saying what they're [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► really thinking they're they're leaving [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► something in the air and I I think I [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► feel pretty sure that this drives you [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► nuts when something is left in the air [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► and addressed [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► I don't like the left in the air [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► unaddressed now you should feel bad [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► about something then I don't have the [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► stones to actually tell you you should [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► feel bad about you know that's why I [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► carry a tennis racket everywhere is it [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► waits on it doesn't it say you know that [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► I trained with one it with weights is it [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► pink it is big it's a pink graphite [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► tennis racket a nice i just i just give [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► him a bunk right my sweet spot can make [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► it satisfying pull and if you need to [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► you can always turn it sideways and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► really give them give them a serious [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► breach of the plateau [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► well your sister what would this came up [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► the other day because of the because of [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► the new movement i guess it's not new [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► but it's a relatively new movement which [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► is the part of the polyamorous rights [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► God the part that polyamorous people and [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► that is a word that I object to do not [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► believe that first of all polyamorous is [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► a word at all but second of all it's a [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► terrible way of describing [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► the this this class of people but the [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► polyamorous are three cats probably [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► Greek right now it's like to cut to the [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► combination of Greek and Latin and that [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► is what makes it [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► yeah i mean Strunk and white chapter 1 [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► come on can't come up with something can [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► we just call wife-swapping is that you [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► can't do that anymore that normative [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► well no but this is the finger isn't [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► swapping part of the poly philly acts no [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► no I no take-backs no Indian giving well [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► they want to be in it the multiple [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► relationships simultaneously it's not [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that they want to be that this is the [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► thing that the this is really not a [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► choice say that they are that they're [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► born this way she's like philly x [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► probably philly access because puff [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► polyamory is like two minutes [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► that's that's right then you're saying [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► it's it's a choice it's not you this is [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► how i am let it begin with me and [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► so-and-so weekend for the poly philly [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► acts and I said nothing because I get it [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► on and they came for the people in [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► bathrobes and I said nothing and so what [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► what rights are being scotched what [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► Felix here's what happened the the great [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► American dan savage went online at some [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► point recently and said in response to [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► people writing him he said I don't think [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► that that like okay I hate the word but [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► I don't think polyamory is a is a thing [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► that you are born with i think it is a [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► choice that you make tents habits that [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► that dan savage said wow I bet he got [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► some notes because the because people [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► were writing him and saying in response [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► to advise he was giving people they were [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► saying i'm born this way and and poly [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► amorous rights are equivalent and our [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► struggle for recognition and for [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► acceptance is equivalent to the gay [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► rights struggle which is equivalent to [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► the Civil Rights which is equivalent to [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► the civil rights struggle struggle so [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► everyone has been a slave basically [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► everyone has been living in slavery and [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► now we are that there's this cascading [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► we are in in the in the the middle of [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► the Niagara of recognition that people [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► are born [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► as they are mm and everybody should be [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► everybody should be entitled to you know [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► that this is the same sort of its it's [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► literally a 200 know it's a 400-year [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► legacy of forced labor and having your [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► children taken away its it 400 years [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► people suffered because of their in [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► their those cultures built-in inability [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► to allow them to love various persons [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► right and so where's my parade [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► so 10 so damn has been you know [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► wrestling with this because he does [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► because he's a he is kind of the Locust [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► Point in America at least four people [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► for this kind of conversation you know [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► Dan is like always at the forefront of [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► gay rights [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► well you know what I mean this is one [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► case where that word that word I think [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► works very well when you say he's sort [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► of a thought leader in the in the like [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► the whole queer movement the whole [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► before we add another word to to LGBT [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► WXYZ that queer and generally people who [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► are mean by using that incorrectly I [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► think I don't know what that is that's [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► as part of that's right that's the way [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► that we were we were taught [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► I don't I don't know if queer is still [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► acceptable because i think it's really [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► acceptable i feel like the kids will [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► know III but I feel like it was really [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► acceptable in in 96 and kids now are [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► rewriting the rules every day it's [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► referring first race up about what [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► language is acceptable you know what I [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► mean like there are 21 year olds out [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► there who are dictating what language is [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► it isn't is not acceptable and I'm [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► afraid that'll work out great i'm afraid [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► that i am not all of be RSS feed the key [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► you read the trades but you got to do i [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► do there's there's this great there's [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► this great guy in England who publishes [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► at an e-zine called worldwide words [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► where every week he goes in he does like [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► a deep etymology of a few different [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► words i love that stuff and in and it's [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► not a I think you might have a website [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► but this just shows up in my email [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► he just sends out an email blast but [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► once a week where is like the derivation [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► of the word [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► you know the city and he really will you [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► get you'll get all the way into all like [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► he'll find the earliest citation of the [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► earliest use of a word and and and kind [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► of walk us all the way back to where it [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► came from but anyway so the the [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► struggles of the polyamorous um I've [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► been I've been turning it over and over [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► in my mind both because but because i [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► feel like we are we're fast arriving at [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► the singularity of Rights where it's [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► like a identity politics great GU yeah [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► we're who we are [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► if if we are if we are abandoning the [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► idea of nurture and all like trending [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► toward this born this way born this way [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► born this way [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► I mean I definitely feel like a lot of [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► my problems in life in interacting with [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► other people are the result of traits [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that i was born with you know what I [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► mean like mind my nature is such that i [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► can I i look at my grand my grandfather [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► and his life and my mother in her life i [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► look back in my family and I see these [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► traits expressed in a way that i do not [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► feel I was taught but rather that I came [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► I came equipped with this kind of [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► personality even and so and and that [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► personality has definitely affected the [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► way i have i have interacted with other [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► ppl the success I've had in the world [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► and although i don't want to parade [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► I do feel like over the course of the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► last 20 years i have felt sick [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► increasingly less like a freak and more [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► like a type right so the and and so and [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► that has given me a certain freedom [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► because I say listen I am this type i am [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► introverted i am i am i'm a loner but [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► I'm also a social introverted so that's [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► why it's confusing to you why [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► I want to come home with you tonight but [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► I don't want to stay the night [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► understand your and i think i can see [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► why this is confusing to you and you're [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► saying like you came home with me now [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► stay the night and I'm like gotta go but [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► it's not your fault where the rights for [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► the monomers for the nano amorous I'm a [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► type understand and there are a lot of [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► people i think on the internet who [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► himself identify as asexual I like [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► Morrissey like Morrissey who are who are [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► similarly liberated by the recognition [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► that they that they have a group that [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► they are a type they're not a freak [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► they're just they trend toward asexual [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► on the on the great like globular graph [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► of human types but so I so I feel the I [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► feel the polyamorous out there I really [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► feel them party really sick push my long [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► tongue and there they are there they're [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► living in a world where monogamy is the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► is the mass right [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► monogamy is is unquestionably and [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► monogamy is the man is the man and it [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► and monogamy is not it's not just a [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► socially determined demand monogamy is [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► that is the type and the choice of the [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► majority and yet here these people are [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► and they and I think probably [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► legitimately say I never ever felt a [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► different way then that I want to have [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► two wives or that i want to be it i want [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► to be in simultaneous a simultaneously [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► caring loving relationships with [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► multiple people and now i want my cute [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► and I want my civil rights and human [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► rights but what [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► ok i stipulate this is your topic not [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► mine and I don't want to get involved i [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► don't have to argue with that lady that [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► always wants to argue with us you have [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► to take care of that for us who wants to [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► argue with me i must have I must block [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► the ball moving on the the 3x1 okay [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► first of all I i would like you to the [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► extent possible to help me understand [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► what rights are being denied [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► these people but i would also like to [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► say yes i I'm I'm the problem because [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► I'm the man literally it's my name but [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► but uh but it also then always [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► interesting to me like I've said this [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► before but i always wish there were a [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► word [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► besides I wish they were a distinction [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► between for example an atheist and an [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► anti theist or you know what I mean like [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► I think I think that's problematic that [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► atheists is is used for somebody like [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► Richard Dawkins characters I don't think [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► he's an atheist I think he's an [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► antifreeze anti-theist agreed and an [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► atheist to me should somebody somebody [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► it's it's a movie equivalent of saying [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► like I'm an a strawberry and like you [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► know what you're like I don't eat [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► strawberries like they're out there [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► maybe but I don't you know what I mean [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► it's not you are ambivalent to go doing [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you identify by what you are not [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► yes for myself for myself as the Grand [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► agreed when you when you determine your [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► your politics and rights based on what [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► you are not i think you're not on the [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► road to empowerment agreed you're you're [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► on the road to systematically mindful e [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► marginalizing yourself go Maryland go to [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► your tactic is your topic [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► no no I like it and that but i think [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► it's a good thing it's a condition of [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► our modern times we are we are and i [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► think i'd tried to get into this with [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► you once and God and the talk about sex [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► gross you out no and you didn't you [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► close your ears and then and then you [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► started talking about your night sex- [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► i'm talking about your fucking sex [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► negative i don't want to hear about all [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► your make-believe orgasms on Twitter and [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► all of your you're eating ice cream and [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► playing with your hitachi you know what [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► keep it in your pants Johnny you know [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► that that's my feeling [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► yamaguchi Tom that was my little pets [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► you gotta have accepted a little you [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► gotta catch em all right but bigger logs [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► is that related to politics i'm not sure [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► i think it's it's a it's a Pikachu bless [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► nobody living in the downtown as i have [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► done for many years living in the [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► downtown of a western city and and and i [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► wanna i don't want to derail this [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► and I was just in ohio and boy oh hi oh [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► is different than which is which part [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► I was in I was in the akron-canton [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► Cleveland axis the Cuyahoga River Valley [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► and a lot of riding lawnmowers a lot of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► leaf blowers who a lot of women like [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► middle-aged women with wedge haircuts [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► you know when sharing that is sure I [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► know ledge [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► yeah but anyway so living here in the [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► West you know for many years I have [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► interacted with people who have who were [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► self-identifying as freaky or that they [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► that they were not interested in vanilla [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► if you know what I'm saying we're not [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► interested in a vanilla lifestyle they [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► were interested in a freaky lifestyle [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► and interacting with some of these [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► people as I do as a researcher and has a [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► man as a as a rock musician [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► sometimes I would be a I would find [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► myself as part of my research back in [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► their lair in their cave so [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► anthropologically just there you can [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► observe them in their natural [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► environment [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► yeah just there's a researcher and there [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► to see because you know freaky people [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► are freaky are people too and yes and as [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► a self-identified a queer or freak [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► positive person i was there at you know [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► as an is-3 with everything you've [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► decided you are not sort of sort of like [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► a UN observer and spread you got like a [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► blue helmet and you're like us writer at [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► the Central American election in a way i [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► did have a blue helmet but I sounds in [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► anyway so I but you get into those [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► situations and you get in you get [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► engaged with these people in their in [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► their multifarious ways and and in most [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► cases i discovered that the freakiness [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► was not a was not superior to vanilla it [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► was not like being anti vanilla being [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► not vanilla was not the same as being [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► like somehow having an evolved sexuality [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► or evolved a set of tastes it was simply [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► like it was it was largely defined by [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► what it wasn't [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► and this was you know this is my [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► complaint about punk rock too but I'm [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► not going to talk about me anymore let [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► me more and and I did feel like people [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► were getting in it into smaller and [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► smaller groups [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► it's like that it's like when we were in [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► high school there were you were eat if [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► you like metal you were a metalhead and [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► now I imagine if you went to high school [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► today there would be like 40 different [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► splinter metal group some social groups [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► and the and the but the death metal kids [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► and the you know and the classic Swedish [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► Chef is Swedish or Norwegian exactly and [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► nobody can nobody killed melodic death [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► metal already very very different around [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► the core campfire of metal there now [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► isn't that a goddamn shame you just [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► can't sit there and listen to some iron [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► maiden like a gentleman and and and i [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► have this problem i listen to listen to [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► certain certain threads of nu-metal and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► I'm like and I don't mean no I metal I [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► mean like because of the german band [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► ring and i think this isn't metal this [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► is just this is like this is metal [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► sounds and metal parts either yet you [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► could hook up a Volkswagen to a boss [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► pedal and listen to it turnover and it [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► would sound basically the same i like [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► that idea [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► could you hook up a Volkswagen to a boss [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► pedal you need a microphone in between I [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► need a firewire probably but I can point [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► out one thing I end this is boy are you [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► ever going to get mail about this [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► yeah but here's here's something we [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► talked about it and I know it is i've [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► heard is extremely frustrating to [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► african-american people and i'm using [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► that term very lightly because i thought [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► they're actually pretty fucking pissed [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► when people say things are like the [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► civil rights movement because yes in one [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► sense they are if you learn about the [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► civil rights movement when you were a [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► kid in the nineties it can seem very [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► similar because you say well you know we [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► were being treated poorly were bit [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► people are discriminating against us [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► and there are willful and in some cases [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► willful systematic attempts to keep us [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► from being part of the culture right and [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► and you know it whether whether that's [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► Montgomery or Cristal knock [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► yeah that was a real thing but but [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► here's something I've noticed and i'm [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► curious if you've noticed this [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► I've noticed that somebody who's black [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► when they're 21 is also black when [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► they're 70 I'm noticing that there are a [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► lot fewer people who are freaky when [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► you're 21 but that is still ok when [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► their middle age and you know what the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► ones who are free care in the middle age [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► don't fucking care what you think and [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► don't need you to like their rights [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► they're just doing their thing and you [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► see that around here and I think it's [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► super cool and they don't need a fucking [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► parade [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► they're just going out and doing [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► whatever they want and they don't need [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► to be fucking Rosa Parks and I really [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► respect that if you ever came on the [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► jonathan coulton cruise you know I was [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► here apparently three other people on [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► anything on a cruise [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► okie dokie those things are there are a [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► lot of middle-aged freaky people but as [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► you say they they find their they find [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► their place and there let me know who [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► they are and they they they I mean [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► seconds as courses san francisco which [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► is an outlier but you know it i really [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► respect people who don't need a label [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► and the ones that I end up respecting [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► and I have to admit maybe this is [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► because i'm getting a little bit more [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► into nerdy culture which I know is a [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► controversial topic but you know one [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► reason and I'm I'm gaining more and more [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► respect for LARPers and cosplayers it a [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► positive a positive in the sense of [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► saying like you know what I like [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► dressing up like Captain Marvel or again [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► i am a paladin I can't use a vorpal [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► blade but I can sure have fun on the [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► weekends and i like that to me showing [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► up and going like I'm a non non larper [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► is not much of an identity that lecture [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► 13 right now the libertarian priest is [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► he's just leave loving this conversation [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► I think the person he knows all about [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► the powers of paladin that was one of [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► those put them first [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► he's the DMV priest you knew that right [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► talk about the bro yeah bro I totally [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► did not know then Brody indeed be brie [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► learned something that I've forgotten [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► which is that you can change your [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► alignment but didn't you lose experience [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► points when you change that's right you [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► can get together that's true in life [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► john m [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► let's say you are like I personally like [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► I was watching The Hunger Games movie [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► the other night which is actually about [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► a hundred times better than I expected [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► and i was thinking about how she's kind [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► of a ranger [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► yeah you know what I mean what is that [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► done since I've never seen that Joe and [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► you know a ranger what angular its high [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► high dexterity you got a pretty good [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► strength i think you gotta have some [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► charisma monks need a lot of charisma [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► right yeah anything good [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► hooded cloak eating a cloak you need [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► notice the vibrating pan that's the that [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► freaky freaky monk right yeah you can [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► tell down walls right better Ranger [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► anyway so I always thought of myself as [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► a youngster as being chaotic good right [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► which i think is what most teenagers [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► like to think that they are sure i think [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► if you thought that you were lawful good [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► or lawful neutral you would think that [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► you are such a pussy right chaotic good [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► it's okay you know what dude I'm a good [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► guy but I'm a little bit of a wild card [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► yeah let lawful good as a townsperson [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► farmer merchant that's one of those [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► pesky non-player characters it's always [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► trying to get into your shit get your [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► gold your heart boots [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► yeah you know that's the the non-player [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► characters the ones you get off anyway [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► you know what I don't have a point to [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► this is Janos you get further along in [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► life i think that a lot of people need [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► to confront the idea that they are not [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► chaotic good and that they are more or [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► less lawful good for ya lawful good [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► really i think the majority of people [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► are just it's just disoriented normal [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► but isn't that lawful good disoriented [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► normal [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► mm I think of an alignment obviously is [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► reductive it has to be right [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► you've got you got this you got this [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► girl like your alignment has changed as [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► you grow older i mean i guess but i [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► don't think i'm good anymore because [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► well you know if it's okay so here's the [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► difference a paladin has to be lawful [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► good which means not simply that you [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► honor the law and are a good person [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► it means that you must act in pursuit of [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► lawful things and you must make things [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► good i think that's a big difference and [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► this is the problem with all these [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► fucking teenagers running around the [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► goddamn bathrobes is that you're not [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► fighting in the service of anything [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► except your own identity at that time [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► and you know what why don't you get back [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► in the oven and [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► bake for five more years and then come [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► back and tell me about what words i'm [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► allowed to use with all due respect i do [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► agree that that that the civil rights [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► movement in America is not analogous to [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► is not directly analogous to the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► proliferation of rights movement your [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► grandparents weren't slaves bathrobe boy [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► yeah but I feel like I feel like leaving [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► that aside leaving leaving the leaving [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► the fact that everybody is trying to [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► connect their their small struggle to [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► the to the large struggle we are now [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► living in a world where we have to [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► reckon with all of these small struggles [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► you know and and and and I'm afraid [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► people are thinking it all the way [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► through thinking the born this way all [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► the way through because if born this way [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► he's acting kind of restrictive well [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► it's not just that it is it's a tit [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► I'm not worried about the restrictive [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► and something it is that born this way [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► is precisely the argument that NAMBLA [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► members use it if you have you just did [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► the white van kid diddler version of [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► Godwin's law [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► I just I feel and and we make gay [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► marriage possible people got married [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► their cats [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► that's the brought that's the problem [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► and this is this is this is why I like [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► people that get mad at me [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► uh like argue that i am some kind of [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► uh I i I've gone I've gone across the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► radical spectrum and on the other side [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► now back to reactionary but but but if [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► you if you follow and again as part of [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► my Pete Townsend research i have i have [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► listened to the voice here into a lot of [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► dark corners i have i've listened to the [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► voices of the oppressed men who love [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► hello children and I've listened to [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► their their lamentations the level [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► confrontations of themselves [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► letís and and they say and a lot of [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► them you can't help but have sympathy [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► for them as they stand before a judge [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and beg to be castrated talk about being [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► born this way and say like I cannot help [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► these urges I've had them since i since [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► i can remember i know it is criminal I [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► know it's wrong I want to be [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► castrated please send me to jail please [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► execute me you know there are people [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► pleading with us as a culture to to help [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► them solve this problem that has that [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► has plagued them their whole lives in [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► there in prison and they are you know [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► like and every time a child molester [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► goes to prison world like haha hope he [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► gets raped two thousand times but it's [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► like you know a lot of these guys I have [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► been have been fighting this their whole [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► lives and and believe me they feel like [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► they were born that way and so I'm not [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► equating a polyamory or LARPing with [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► child molestation but like that's going [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► to save your breath or brownie is I'm [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► not like I don't let me just stipulate [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► it's just think they go hand in hand and [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► glove or you probably misunderstood a [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► lot of what I'm saying but now i'm gonna [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► blow the thought in your head that this [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► is something I have to deny but but if [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► you if if you if you if you go down the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► rabbit hole of born this way there's a [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► lot down deeper in the hole but you [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► don't want to look at and so where do [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► you draw the line where do you say like [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► all right here hit this is this is [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► unconscionable to us or that we cannot [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► allow it past this point but up on this [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► side of it but you know up the whole ice [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► we're gonna say yes god damn it you know [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► Brody's have rights so yeah I mean [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► you're if I understand and I I this is [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► your topic but if i understand i think [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► what you're saying it's that when you go [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► down the road to born this way then if [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► you if your basic thesis is that Born [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► This Way has to be acceptable because [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► anyone who is born a certain way has the [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► inalienable inalienable right to be [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► respected and found lawful for what it [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► in other words we should not penalize [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► people for being born this way whether [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► that is God [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► yeah I'm not doing this but it is that [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► is kind of what you're saying right now [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► if your basic premise is born this way [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► it has primacy then you open the door to [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► all the things that you're going to [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► email account right right I'm going to [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► get a lot of email but the thing is that [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► human beings are animals right first and [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► foremost [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► and born this way is a naturalistic [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► argument isn't it is an argument that [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► that we are at our natures are [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► predetermined deterministic by our by [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► our animal selves right but across the [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► Great spectrum of human beings there are [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► a lot of us that are born in a way that [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► that that as soon as that way is [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► identified we should probably put that [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► person to death immediately like there [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► are people who are born in a way that [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► they coming [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► if you if you read about Jeffrey Dahmer [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► he he thought his whole life to control [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► his urges to rape and and eat his [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► victims or whatever you know like they [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► he is also born that way and so we are [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► going to need a new email address right [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► what it was right people are going to be [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► people are gonna are are all going to be [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► wrestling with the animators tonight [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► Elliot you're saying yeah but that but [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► but but and this is this is by no means [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► an argument against the progress that we [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► made was to meet you heard your your [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► free hand here free glove in my chain [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► mail hand but let's make this a night [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► with the k2 remember but I worry about [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► this all the time because as I walk [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► through life I support people's desire [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► to be free but at a certain point all of [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► civilization all of law is designed to [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► constrain people's freedom for the for [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► the benefit of the mass for the good of [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► the main and what we're doing is we are [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► extending the borders of what we [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► consider to be the the mainstream right [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► i mean homosexuality now is completely [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► mainstreamed in America and then I think [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► America has gained for it but as we [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► extend those borders [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► we're all going to have to reckon with [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► just exactly where we want to draw the [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► new line because there has to be you [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► cannot extend the franchise all the way [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► out to everybody because there are there [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► are freaky people out there [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► there are people who are born in a way [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► that gives us pause and but we're not [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► talking about that you know if each new [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► struggle each new that's all that's the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► whole point of our joking about this is [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► that is that is that the reason that [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► this is awkward is is why it's probably [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► kind of true and the reason I'm saying [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► in other words if this was easy to talk [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► about our that your point would not be [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► correct [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► it's the fact that this is such an [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► awkward thing to confront that you know [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► maybe you know maybe it is a little [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► reductive or a little bit you know black [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► and white thinking but but but how do [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► you want you know here's one thing that [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► really actively troubles me and then I [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► struggle with because as much as we [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► crack wise on here or whatever we do in [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► here like I i would genuinely like for [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► people to live the life that they would [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► like to leave it as much as it doesn't [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► harm other people and I really do [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► believe that people should be allowed to [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► be called whatever the fuck they want to [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► be called and with with respect but this [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► is a struggle and I'm going to own this [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► but like my problem is I remember I made [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► that crack about how like if you if you [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► like if you mention like crack in the [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► South people think you do crack [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► I I don't like I don't like it when [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► people think that just because I'm [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► disagreeing with you about the name and [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► entitlement something doesn't mean i [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► think you shouldn't get to do what you [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► want [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► do you know what I mean I think you can [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► end up having an extremely loud and long [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► argument about two different things [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► without ever distinguishing what they [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► are right which is that like yeah well [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► like why are we arguing everybody should [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► be able to do the thing that they want [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► to do you know your rights stop at the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► end of my nose kind of thing but like [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► but i but I I don't like being [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► constantly tutored by people on how I [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► need to realign my thinking in [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► vocabulary to climb or know what they're [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► feeling this week I know you hate being [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► tutored by people on the internet I [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► don't like being tutored and you know [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► what it reminds me of in some ways as [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► long as we're going to escalate this one [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► reminds me of is they say that it is [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► said [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► that one reason they say that it is said [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► they say this is said at one reason for [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► example that Republicans conservatives [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► but Republicans in particular had so [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► much success over the years is [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► organization and things like being able [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► to rally people to say i can send out an [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► email you know astroturfing sent out [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► this email to go [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► ok here's a link go to the CNN poll and [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► vote this way right and you come into [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► nürnberg again we'll have big bonfire [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► right and so for example you could have [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► a campbell's soup recipe competition and [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► the winner would be something called Ron [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► Paul revolution and you go [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► what does that even mean well I guess [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► we're making a difference so you can [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► rally people to do just about anything [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► now the other thing that they're great [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► act and I think this is pretty [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► well-documented is being able to control [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► the vocabulary and its end up framing [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► what the actual thing we're talking [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► about is just paranoid words pro-life [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► precisely or you know again we're back [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► to don't think of an elephant but but [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► but you could you [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► I think there are actually this is a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► thing that everybody does now which is [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► messaging which is you let everybody in [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► your camp no yes [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► here is what the messaging is this is [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► what this is the point we need to make [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► in every interview but these are the [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► words will need to use in order to do [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► this right and and the it could be [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► something like very coated you know it [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► could be like you know and problems [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► urban has a very coated meaning um and [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► so in some ways I feel like the [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► newsletter that were all being forced to [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► subscribe to that we dare not fall [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► behind on is the newsletter that lets us [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► know like you know what's what's hot and [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► what's not in terms of what now to use [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► to keep somebody from being a goddamn [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► slave and I think that puts such a lie [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► to like some really important shit [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that's gone down in the last 400 years [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► that it makes me furious [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► yeah what's like you were not in [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► Auschwitz like relax [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► what interests me about the about the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► conversation is as always first [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► principles right i don't think that we [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► can I don't think it's very effective to [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► talk about for instance drone attacks in [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► Afghanistan or a to talk about [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► Guantanamo [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► or to talk about the extension of civil [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► rights to each successive group it isn't [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► very useful unless there is unless [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► there's some part of the population that [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► is talking about it in terms of first [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► principles because everytime everytime a [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► new group a kind of rises up out of the [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► Mist and says we are we are another [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► group of people who demand our civil [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► rights for every time they need to be [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► and servitude and to be acknowledged [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► that we are a group to be acknowledged [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► as a group and to be to be accepted into [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► what is essentially the mainstream we [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► want to come out of the darkness and now [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► we want you know we want for instance [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► polyamory which which more or less hurts [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► nobody but we want to be mainstreamed we [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► want to be accepted we want to be able [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► to say to our co-workers we are [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► polyamorous and so so I'm going to bring [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► two people to our employee picnic and [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► there's actually not allowed to smoke at [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► your pink scarf [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► yeah or or or in a lot of cases you know [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► and we want we want our insurance and [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► benefits you know like oh IC thats will [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► write incest tomates yeah but we don't [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► be mainstreamed is as part of it and and [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► also yeah you know drone attacks and and [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► Guantanamo where we are pushing oh we're [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► pushing in specific cases what we what [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► we universally agree are the limits like [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► we are sending drones now and without [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► any human without any oversight in there [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► and obviously there's there are people [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► in in tractor trailers in the Nevada [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► desert who are watching on video cameras [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► and saying yeah I think I think that guy [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► i think that i don't like the look of [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► his turban I think that guy's bad send [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► in a send in a air-to-ground missiles [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► boom and then you know all shit after [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► the missile was launched for kids came [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► running out of the door kicking a soccer [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► ball and now we're just going to sit [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► here and watch them you know there's [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► like eight seconds until the missile [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► lands and we're just going to sit here [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► in our trailer and watch them vaporize [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► and then we're going to go home and have [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► a stouffer's dinner and and but but [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► we're trying to we're trying to figure [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► out what the what the new limits are [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► without looking at it from from from on [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► high like there's no council of elders [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► really because the media has largely [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► abdicated this role nobody writes about [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► it anymore from this standpoint because [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► nobody likes to get letters and also [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► does the that there's been a tremendous [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► decline in the in the national dialogue [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► but when it comes to pederasty God like [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► there needs to be a conversation about [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► it in our culture that no one wants to [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► initiate right who wants to be the one [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► that comes out and says let's take a [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► hard look at this and you know is it [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► when a 22 year old has sex with a 16 [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► year old and in some state or a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► fifteen-year-old in some states he goes [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► to jail for that is that really [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► equivalent to a seventy-five-year-old [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► molesting a six-year-old who you know [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► like there are there are laws but [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► there's also there's a tremendous amount [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► of like crinkled up noses in our culture [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► where it's like oh that's gross like you [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► have no just married at 26 year-old [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► that's gross [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► he's 87 but we but it's gross but we [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► kinda also have been half the population [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► kind of high-five seem like he's getting [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► married to somebody 20 like every few [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► months [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► is it just me my getting old my feeling [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► is that Hugh Hefner's taste in women has [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► become more and more cartoony as he's [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► gotten old [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► maybe it's his eyesight i think it is [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► and I think what he really i think what [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► the what they should do is they should [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► we wheel in like a giant boob and just [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► just just wheel it in to his room every [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► night at eleven [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► and then people like he could grow pit [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► and Paul at it and then it just will the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► boob out and he's laying in bed like all [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► covered in perspiration like oh honey [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► but you know he's a pretty wealthy guy [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► so maybe they can have different boobs [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► so he could have he could be polyamorous [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► with this fake boobs so you can have [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► different ones come in maybe he could [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► have you know maybe a b-cup tonight i'll [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► be looking by plenty of course is a row [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► Leanne would be like the size of a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► hassock or or like a foreign car like [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► how big would be I think it would be I [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► think it would be dealing with this [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► fuckable feet [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► do you remember the monster in the the [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► the the Queen alien in starship troopers [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► i have i don't think i did but i can [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► look at remember starship troopers when [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► was that we get that girl with the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► eyebrows [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► oh maybe it's with its 14 Doogie Howser [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► puts his hand on the thing and he says [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► it's afraid it's a big it's a big bug i [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► think that's about the size of the boob [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that you have nervous should should [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► maybe ride to balance this is the [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► problem with porn and its really one of [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► the only problems with porn is is that [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► is that I think a couple things happen i [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► think i think one thing is that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► familiarity breeds porn contempt which [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► is that you that first of all like one [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► no matter how much porn you've got you [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► always want more and then in time you [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► wanted to get more fucked up and so the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► thing is like he might start out for [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► example with like hey look at me i'm [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► hugh hefner i have a built to scale like [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► what like 1281 colon eight sighs booby [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► but then maybe sometimes he wants like a [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► 128 man booby or something i'm just [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► saying I'm just saying this is the [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► problem and I don't get into the dead [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► rubber girl thing but you know I I i bet [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► once you've got one rubber girl you want [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► to get to and then you want to get for [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► so you can have a tea party [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► alright i imagine he spent all that [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► money on a dead rubber girl and then you [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► got bored of her its what exactly you're [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► like oh this rubber girl is just doesn't [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► do it for me anymore i spent money [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► got some very costly things that I got [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► bored with very quickly [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► yeah but that's you know that's that's a [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► bet that's a big investment i have a [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► whole drawer of digital cameras that [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► that I that I don't use my hand okay [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► that's a terrific example ok like the [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► first digital camera i bought was in [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► 1999 and it was a sub i think it was [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► less than 1 megapixel I mean I look at [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► him now I thought I I thought it was [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► revolutionary at the time you put your [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► card in you put the batteries in and [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► you're taking pictures and you put it on [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► your pc [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► wow this is really amazing but it was [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► very costly for the time and now those [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► pictures look ridiculous [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► yeah they're so like they're so noisy [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► and like and streaky looking [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► yeah it's noisy streaks each time one of [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► these new ding guy come out like you [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► think it's going to be a revolution and [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► kind of his fall guy from the Latin I [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► don't know why you know Hugh Hefner has [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► a son uh you haven't had a lot of kids I [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► guess but as you would expect by a lot [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► fewer kids that you might think but just [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► I just I have this feeling that he just [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► has never had a lot of sex [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► well seems like he's overcompensating on [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► such another level [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► yeah I think he's I think i'm gonna go [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► out on a limb here and say that you [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► haven't had a lot of sex but that it [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► that none of it I don't think qualifies [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► as good sex as i as i see it but you [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► don't think he can place your lady i do [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► not think i don't think so either [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► I think that he exists to be pleasured [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► and that's probably been true since the [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► start I mean look at him [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► yeah and imagine being a lady and [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► imagine here comes even a young Hugh [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► Hefner he comes he's coming in at upon [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► you and your lady pretty lady here comes [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► yeah yeah skinny and he's a serious guy [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► he's not that weird hair and there's a [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► little intelligence and eatin pussy like [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► he's finishing some flan [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► I don't you think but he's got this kid [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► he's got this young kid who's his heir [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► apparent his son this is the Playboy [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► Prince he is the Playboy Prince is this [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► kid is named Cooper Hefner that's [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► terrible name and he was born in like uh [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► III don't even know I I don't want to [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► look it up on the internet but he was [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► born recently he's like 20 he's like in [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► his early 20s you have no son now he and [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► his father is grooming him at as he has [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► groomed so many ladies who to take over [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► the Playboy Enterprises well now you [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► picture this kid at 22 years old [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► the first question using making anyone [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► who is born he's born in 91 so how old [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► does that make him think you're right [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► and 20 22 when did Cooper Hefner when [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► and how did Cooper have never lose his [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► virginity [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► it was probably not it was probably not [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► in the backseat of his of a Corvair [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► parked at lookout point it was probably [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► not putting an American Graffiti it was [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► probably not a girl was probably not [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► with a girl by the bandstand with a girl [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► that he goes to high school with i have [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► had not at the World's Fair was probably [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► not under the boardwalk out by the sea [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► it was undoubtedly at some point on like [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► a round bed or in a grotto and because [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► he was initiated into the into this [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► world but in some kind of grotesquerie [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► where a half a dozen you know playmates [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► were sort of like teehee do you think [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► his father might it might have [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► dispatched them some kind of initial in [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► the true sense of the word a an ordeal [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► like a sexual ordeal like he was a trial [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► by vaginal fire [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► absolutely i cannot imagine it happened [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► to the other way and i could not even [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► surprised too [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► maybe maybe put a bathroom over his head [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► and dragged him into a limo [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► he was probably was probably we're going [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► it probably in a bed ship like a car [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► inside of the crop it was probably 10 [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► years old by Skaggs playing [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► I cannot imagine that happened to him at [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► an age that was not premature [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► mhm at because because i think that it [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► would you know like your Hugh Hefner son [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► like when is this going and your mother [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► is a playmate [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► ah when is this gonna go down it's like [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► the poet says all fallen leaves should [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► curse their branches so he's got to go [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► out there and it's just like your buddy [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► having to drive around with the fucking [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► Clydesdales to go to the prom [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► he just picked the Clydesdales it was an [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► heiser Bush dad not to work ping-pong [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► that makes it makes him get it behind [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► some copy horses and all those North [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► one-third this guy did not get to pick [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► to to be Cooper fella probably did not [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► get to pick the way he wanted his uh [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► fallen leaf to fall right so when he [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► wanted to fall at all [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► he's 22 years old the fan how many sexes [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► has he had with a hooded playmates [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► probably exclusively just doesn't seem [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► unprofessional [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► well double here's the things like you [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► could use that like okay [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► could use that like okay [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► here's the thing i think we get blinded [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► by playboy i think i'm not being [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► anti-porn I'm all about the porn [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► I'm just saying that like any other [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► industry like just because you had a [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► xerox copier dealership doesn't mean [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► your son have to fuck on a piece of [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► glass right but in this case and you [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► certainly wouldn't have the lady which [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► is the phones come over and digital is [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► copy you know [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► yeah in this case though you're saying [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► so it seems to me that you're saying [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► that this is it is a depraved underworld [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► of forced sexual sexuality and you might [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► you might end up putting your son a [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► grotto whether he's into it or not and [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► how many times since I cannot imagine [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► that Hugh Hefner has not rationalized [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► his position in life to such an extent [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► that he believes that that sex with [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► multiple beautiful girls is not his [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► son's birth right versus parade and that [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► had that at a certain point probably [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► pretty early on he was like let's get [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► let's get the show on the road [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► let's get this let's get this happen [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► because i told you the story about my [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► dad coming back from his trip to China [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► and saying I one of the people on the [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► trip to China but one of the people of [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► the trip spider was a madam and I you [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► know and i was looking down at by [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► looking down at my book pretending not [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► to hear he's like and she runs a UH a [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► massage parlor and I was like let's let [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► me guess h-he said anytime you want to [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► go over there she said I should just [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► bring you over [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► he really said that yeah and I was 15 16 [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► and now i'm really staring at my book [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► but something is my dad doesn't my dad [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► born in nineteen twenty-one he doesn't [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► know how to do this he doesn't know how [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► to teach your kids about about sex and [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► he's sense but but he also doesn't know [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► how he doesn't want to do it right but [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► you have norway which is to be like [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► let's go to the hardware store then [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► we pull into the parking lot of a place [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► called you know Sally's a oriental [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► massage eight and I'm like what we doing [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► here and you're my dad and I would my [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► dad and I went to a lot stranger places [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► than that together he had pulled into [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► the drive that the gravel driveway of [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► this place and said yeah I come with me [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► and we've got inside going to portland [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► to get a thing and their wood and [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► there's like a you know 11 girls in in [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► lacey undergarments and he would you [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► know and then some madam who I assume is [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► wearing like a silk Chinese one of those [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► one of those things [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► Xinhua Zuri Jamie's right ash in [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► waterbury samiksha keys and he would [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► just be like alright could go get them [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► and I would have been like what no and [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► the door would slam and I you know it'd [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► be like a scene out of a movie but no my [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► dad his version of it was well I anytime [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► you want to go by there let me know he's [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► just leave it out there just leave it [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► out there sexy is like sending your kids [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► to kumon like I could try to I could try [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► to teach you the new math but I'd rather [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► send you somewhere else where somebody [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► in addition geez could teach you you [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► know uh you know like maybe some kind of [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► violin method or something [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► it's easier for him and it's more [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► pleasurable for you is what he's [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► thinking but anger does not that big of [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► a town and every time we drove by this [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► place for the next 10 years i was [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► studying my fingernails [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► you know I'm like oh geez don't bring a [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► dog / the vet's office just don't don't [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► bring it up the love of Christ don't [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► bring it up and you know and he would [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► everyone so hard is that place with that [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► girl and it's like no ineffective i [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► would rather have been dragged out of my [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► little racing car shaped bed at the age [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► of 10 and thrown into a snake pit of [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► playmates [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► I mean at least then it would be done [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► it's like is like the tooth in the [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► doorknob [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► it's like it's like the tooth in the [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► doorknob oh you know when you gotta get [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► a loose tooth [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► you don't see is never happen to me I [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► lived in fear after me something [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► the doorknob on Nick title they tied my [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► loose tooth to a doorknob and fuck is [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► going on with your family [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► i'm telling you i was i was basically [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► raised by Victoria [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► I thought it was your mom she has no [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► teeth fear it was my mom was my mom she [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► tied my tooth to add or not [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► Oh doctor yeah that must hurt like hell [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► and the fillory la ah but you know there [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► was a lot there was a lot of you know [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► and the thing is now that the more i [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► think about it i do want to fucking [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► parade for contemporary it [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► um let me ask you this [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► I think we're good there but let me ask [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► me ask you this is Cooper happier [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► barring that way if he turned out to be [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► a fucking desperate creepy horn dog and [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► I'm looking right now i am an assistant [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► that Stanley I'm looking at hugh [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► hefner's wikipedia picture which is [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► extremely detailed and he's wearing a [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► captain's hat is a captain it's one of [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► those you're not really the captain but [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► you just got a hat with that it's like a [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► Thurston Howell the third exactly [TS]