Roderick on the Line

Ep. 72: "Diddling is the MacGuffin"


00:00:00   hello [TS]

00:00:06   I John hi Merlin I know it's you because [TS]

00:00:09   i was just talking to on the phone you [TS]

00:00:11   sure yeah pretty sure i was out doing [TS]

00:00:14   help me do some troubleshooting a [TS]

00:00:15   computer [TS]

00:00:16   yeah you were i had see I had to reboot [TS]

00:00:19   my USB because my firewire was who had [TS]

00:00:23   forgotten that it was a friend [TS]

00:00:26   oh and you you you told me that I should [TS]

00:00:30   unplug everything and then then plug it [TS]

00:00:35   all back in [TS]

00:00:36   I to be honest with you i think i'm a [TS]

00:00:38   mostly understand what you're saying but [TS]

00:00:40   I'm not really a technologist could you [TS]

00:00:41   give that to me again pick somebody's [TS]

00:00:43   well so what happened there are better [TS]

00:00:45   pick somebody got used to work with a [TS]

00:00:49   guy [TS]

00:00:50   my boss was always smarter than me in [TS]

00:00:52   every conceivable way and i would go [TS]

00:00:54   into him [TS]

00:00:55   you know how i get right oh I do yeah [TS]

00:00:58   we're going to his office who is it [TS]

00:01:00   because you just tell your family too [TS]

00:01:02   and i would misuse like have to say [TS]

00:01:04   javascript yeah yeah but like you know [TS]

00:01:07   me like I will go in and and in my [TS]

00:01:09   pre-medicated days especially i would [TS]

00:01:12   give him this [TS]

00:01:13   you know in missus of of having [TS]

00:01:15   understood data [TS]

00:01:16   haha and and Richard would leaned back [TS]

00:01:18   in his chair any positive for a minute [TS]

00:01:20   and ego can you give that to me getting [TS]

00:01:23   eggs and bunnies a and I say you know [TS]

00:01:28   what I i'm kinda down morning I don't [TS]

00:01:30   know what I'm talking about is your fine [TS]

00:01:32   just explain it just explain out i'll [TS]

00:01:34   understand i'll figure out the technical [TS]

00:01:35   stuff tell me what you want the webpage [TS]

00:01:37   to that well as you have said over and [TS]

00:01:39   over and over [TS]

00:01:41   turn your computer off and then turn it [TS]

00:01:43   back on [TS]

00:01:44   isn't that is not just like oh alright [TS]

00:01:49   and in this case I needed to actually [TS]

00:01:51   unplug all the devices and plug them [TS]

00:01:53   back in but it's the same thing [TS]

00:01:55   well I I i get the sense that you're you [TS]

00:01:58   know what fuck it you're kind of I know [TS]

00:02:00   you're like this and i'm definitely like [TS]

00:02:02   this where like I am or I'm like cock [TS]

00:02:06   and gets owned one gets so mad about how [TS]

00:02:10   fucking stupid your fucking computers [TS]

00:02:12   started a curse John [TS]

00:02:13   but last night you were using your [TS]

00:02:15   headphones at 2am and everything was [TS]

00:02:16   copacetic get up today it's Alex Van [TS]

00:02:18   Halen 60th birthday and you can even [TS]

00:02:20   make your computer work and that's crazy [TS]

00:02:22   frustrating and in my experience that's [TS]

00:02:24   when I go off the rails [TS]

00:02:26   yeah that is doing all kinds of crazy [TS]

00:02:28   and we think pong lots of crazy voodoo [TS]

00:02:30   shit start taking things apart the blue [TS]

00:02:33   the Voodoo that the Haitian voodoo [TS]

00:02:35   priests that listen to our podcast are [TS]

00:02:37   so bad right now that you are merging [TS]

00:02:40   the name of their religion their going [TS]

00:02:41   to get together with the Scientologists [TS]

00:02:43   in the Santeria practice practitioners [TS]

00:02:45   anywhere we're gonna get a fucking low [TS]

00:02:47   tone chicken in the middle low don't [TS]

00:02:51   jected to go to get a lot of chocolate [TS]

00:02:53   chicken tikka China and Chinese look at [TS]

00:02:58   that haha you know the thing that makes [TS]

00:03:00   me mad right now is I've got this [TS]

00:03:02   bluetooth keyboard that you recommended [TS]

00:03:03   that I get that it's a wonderful thing I [TS]

00:03:06   really liked everything about it except [TS]

00:03:09   every time I i sit down at my computer [TS]

00:03:10   it says the bluetooth setup assistant [TS]

00:03:13   shows up and says I cannot find your [TS]

00:03:17   bluetooth keyboard and then the keyboard [TS]

00:03:21   then it does find the keyboard who but [TS]

00:03:23   there's this there's this like [TS]

00:03:25   interlocutor shin for 4 30 seconds or [TS]

00:03:31   I'm sitting at the thing and I have to [TS]

00:03:33   look at this [TS]

00:03:34   I have to look at this box pop up that I [TS]

00:03:37   know is wrong and the fact that the [TS]

00:03:40   boxes that's the problem [TS]

00:03:42   the fact that the box is wrong that [TS]

00:03:43   there's no way to say there's no way to [TS]

00:03:46   type into the machine or say into the [TS]

00:03:48   microphone [TS]

00:03:49   listen computer figure it out it's going [TS]

00:03:51   to be the same everyday everyday this [TS]

00:03:53   thing is there and every day you're [TS]

00:03:56   going to find it and every day you're [TS]

00:03:57   fucking wrong sorry I'm cursing like you [TS]

00:03:59   every day you're wrong mr. question has [TS]

00:04:01   happened more than once [TS]

00:04:02   happens every time ok give me just a [TS]

00:04:04   second here right we're gonna fix [TS]

00:04:07   something you're gonna tell me down i [TS]

00:04:09   cannot plug it because it's Bluetooth [TS]

00:04:10   where are you i'm sorry my binder I [TS]

00:04:14   going to the party are you okay [TS]

00:04:17   mmm is your computer mac or pc haha [TS]

00:04:23   it's a dell dude I got a dell have you [TS]

00:04:30   run recent software updates just ensure [TS]

00:04:35   mac or pc is up-to-date [TS]

00:04:38   yes hmm i even hot plug x USB did you [TS]

00:04:43   get that to me again in pigs and bunch [TS]

00:04:45   haha night I know exactly what you mean [TS]

00:04:48   and I used to feel that you know you [TS]

00:04:50   know software has in large part gotten [TS]

00:04:52   so much better over over the years that [TS]

00:04:54   it's got more standardized especially on [TS]

00:04:56   a Mac but it used to drive me crazy you [TS]

00:04:58   drive me crazy when i get a dialog box [TS]

00:04:59   and I didn't like any of the options [TS]

00:05:02   it was making me mad we're certain makes [TS]

00:05:03   me so mad it's the problem with the with [TS]

00:05:05   the internet internet helpmate what's [TS]

00:05:09   that called the Ombudsman the Robert [TS]

00:05:13   rice [TS]

00:05:14   yeah Robert Wright show in your computer [TS]

00:05:17   the one that says I am trying to solve [TS]

00:05:19   your internet connectivity problem [TS]

00:05:21   letting guess yeah it has no useful mr. [TS]

00:05:24   all it just tells you what you already [TS]

00:05:26   know it makes you jump through like [TS]

00:05:28   seven different hoops and then it's like [TS]

00:05:30   you can't connect to the internet [TS]

00:05:31   partner John is part of the problem is [TS]

00:05:35   we've both been to college [TS]

00:05:36   yes and we've done stuff and we don't oh [TS]

00:05:39   we don't like being told stupid shit [TS]

00:05:42   without having a chance to defend [TS]

00:05:44   ourselves [TS]

00:05:45   thank you don't you think I don't like [TS]

00:05:47   being told stupid chip [TS]

00:05:48   full stop I'll tell you what drives me [TS]

00:05:50   crazy right now buddy you go to one of [TS]

00:05:52   those stupid goddamn web pages where you [TS]

00:05:54   just want to go look at the stupid [TS]

00:05:56   goddamn article and you get a jump start [TS]

00:05:58   missing a JavaScript pop-up window that [TS]

00:06:01   says would you like to get our iphone [TS]

00:06:03   app with subscription for free fitness [TS]

00:06:06   magazine and you have to search and [TS]

00:06:09   everything like button blacked out [TS]

00:06:11   behind ya and you can't read anything [TS]

00:06:13   and then have a search search for the X [TS]

00:06:16   yeah and where's the here's what the [TS]

00:06:18   excess it says it says something like [TS]

00:06:21   incredibly passive-aggressive like yes [TS]

00:06:24   I'm ready to be a value consumer or No [TS]

00:06:27   thank you no thank you i'd like to be [TS]

00:06:31   reminded about this later [TS]

00:06:32   yes i do not i'm not thanking you i do [TS]

00:06:34   not want that to be a nice i'm thanking [TS]

00:06:36   you for nothing [TS]

00:06:37   I want the third option to be no fuck [TS]

00:06:39   you fuck you in the eye javascript go [TS]

00:06:42   the fuck away [TS]

00:06:43   it's so frustrating i don't like I you [TS]

00:06:45   know what it is i get i'm kind of [TS]

00:06:47   paraphrasing my friend scott simpson [TS]

00:06:49   here but I get blamed for enough things [TS]

00:06:51   in my life as it is there are so many [TS]

00:06:54   things that i have screwed up by a lot [TS]

00:06:56   of things [TS]

00:06:57   sorry I blame me for a lot of what you [TS]

00:06:59   should i'm a mess but you know because I [TS]

00:07:02   screw up so many things i'm a little bit [TS]

00:07:04   sensitive about somebody including a [TS]

00:07:07   computer pop-up window [TS]

00:07:08   yeah I'm telling me that the settings [TS]

00:07:10   aren't right when I know it's not my [TS]

00:07:11   formal here here let me just run this by [TS]

00:07:13   you [TS]

00:07:14   so I do not have not I have not updated [TS]

00:07:16   adobe flash what you might call it and [TS]

00:07:22   every time i go on to say I go to these [TS]

00:07:24   I go to websites that deal the tills [TS]

00:07:27   about your research i think that's one [TS]

00:07:29   of my reasons to pete townsend of our [TS]

00:07:30   generation start my Pete Townsend [TS]

00:07:32   research i go to websites that employ [TS]

00:07:34   flash and for four months every time I [TS]

00:07:37   go to these websites i get this adobe [TS]

00:07:38   the window that says you you haven't [TS]

00:07:42   updated flash and you need to and I [TS]

00:07:45   think about it and I'm like the only [TS]

00:07:47   reason i would need to update flash to [TS]

00:07:49   look at this website is so that the [TS]

00:07:51   animated ads on the side of the screen [TS]

00:07:54   can can annoy me with their with their [TS]

00:07:57   Tourette's like flashing and so I have [TS]

00:08:02   noted i I can't think of another reason [TS]

00:08:05   to that I employ flash so i have not [TS]

00:08:06   updated it well today after I did my [TS]

00:08:09   latest software update this is [TS]

00:08:11   fascinating radio by the way [TS]

00:08:13   oh no this is important materials were [TS]

00:08:14   getting at something much deeper than [TS]

00:08:16   the pop-up today the the with that I get [TS]

00:08:19   a different kind of window that pops up [TS]

00:08:21   and says you have not updated adobe [TS]

00:08:23   flash for so long now [TS]

00:08:25   now we are just blocking flash content [TS]

00:08:28   from your computer and on the side of [TS]

00:08:32   the websites that i visit all of the all [TS]

00:08:34   of the places where which are [TS]

00:08:36   advertisements are now just like broken [TS]

00:08:39   link sign and I could not be happier [TS]

00:08:42   like there is no it is it it feels like [TS]

00:08:46   a hack like is that all it took [TS]

00:08:48   justjust [TS]

00:08:49   sable flash and now I don't know now I [TS]

00:08:52   can just look at websites and they're [TS]

00:08:54   not screaming at me right [TS]

00:08:56   like thank God why why do I not have [TS]

00:08:59   that in on everything why do I not have [TS]

00:09:01   Wi-Fi not disabled it on my phone so [TS]

00:09:04   that when I go when I click through on [TS]

00:09:06   Twitter to a link to read an article i'm [TS]

00:09:10   not as in there was a very oh there's a [TS]

00:09:12   video somebody talking about [TS]

00:09:14   incontinence that pops up [TS]

00:09:15   I don't want it and now now i have i [TS]

00:09:18   have successfully I have successfully [TS]

00:09:21   blocked broken flash it's a lot Johnson [TS]

00:09:24   war of attrition is that means if i go [TS]

00:09:26   to some like 2002 indie rockers on an [TS]

00:09:30   updated website i'm not going to see the [TS]

00:09:32   animation couple of a little clown with [TS]

00:09:35   some balloon skip intro i always thought [TS]

00:09:39   if I were the president of adobe i would [TS]

00:09:41   i would want to be named skip intro [TS]

00:09:43   skipping skip intro would be such a good [TS]

00:09:46   punk rock made you know what's great [TS]

00:09:48   about that also is like it'sit's is [TS]

00:09:49   exactly that kind of guy that you meet [TS]

00:09:51   who goes and you sure you've encountered [TS]

00:09:53   this guy this guy goes like for taking [TS]

00:09:56   the time to roll [TS]

00:09:57   come on down here is a chat let me let [TS]

00:09:59   me tell you a little bit about what I've [TS]

00:10:01   been up to [TS]

00:10:01   ah skip intro yeah just sounds like [TS]

00:10:06   every every person I meet come home i [TS]

00:10:08   got that that is my comic con is a [TS]

00:10:13   variety of reasons i'm looking at [TS]

00:10:15   comic-con remember me razzing about [TS]

00:10:16   comic-con I want you your tick you're [TS]

00:10:18   telling me that you're thinking to go [TS]

00:10:19   into coming well you know it's about [TS]

00:10:21   your daughter is a confirmed comic-con [TS]

00:10:24   comer comic shop copper haha she can [TS]

00:10:30   this complication [TS]

00:10:33   she has today she is a unicorn prints [TS]

00:10:36   and her friend who is a girl who's she [TS]

00:10:40   catches sometimes now is a princess [TS]

00:10:44   oh yeah oh man can't tell you how much [TS]

00:10:47   this is a new rail because how much I [TS]

00:10:48   love my kids going I'm going to miss it [TS]

00:10:50   we I dropped off this morning and this [TS]

00:10:52   awesome little boy you know he's very [TS]

00:10:54   very boyish boy but he's got along here [TS]

00:10:56   he shows up today he's wearing blue [TS]

00:10:58   jeans and a rugby shirt [TS]

00:11:01   and a fuchsia giant flower headband in [TS]

00:11:06   his hair [TS]

00:11:07   uh I woke up and I go name of kid [TS]

00:11:10   you look awesome and his end of course [TS]

00:11:14   my daughter is dressed as a boy because [TS]

00:11:15   she's a unicorn prince and I said yeah [TS]

00:11:17   you know elysa uniform prints today and [TS]

00:11:20   and I said god you look awesome and his [TS]

00:11:22   mom turns me and goes he wanted to be [TS]

00:11:24   pretty today [TS]

00:11:25   oh don't you know your guy you know [TS]

00:11:28   they're gonna be in kindergarten and [TS]

00:11:30   people are gonna like throw paste at him [TS]

00:11:33   for wearing stuff in their hair and [TS]

00:11:34   that'sthat's I don't know it's the [TS]

00:11:36   modern-day community in 2003 I'm talk [TS]

00:11:39   about 10 years ago [TS]

00:11:40   you know I was on tour with death cab [TS]

00:11:43   for cutie and we played in burlington [TS]

00:11:45   vermont one night and it was a it was [TS]

00:11:47   cold it was cold and i went down to the [TS]

00:11:50   to the main street of a Burlington which [TS]

00:11:54   is like a gypsy bizarre it's like a it's [TS]

00:11:58   like a little bit tame it says they're [TS]

00:12:00   not station are there Roma I'm sorry [TS]

00:12:03   gypsy people Roma people they won't be [TS]

00:12:06   here for long do I am and I'm an [TS]

00:12:07   old-fashioned person and I still refer [TS]

00:12:09   to as gypsies and i know its offensive [TS]

00:12:11   at real gypsies walk single file to [TS]

00:12:14   disguise their numbers and interesting [TS]

00:12:16   they they put their shoe print in the [TS]

00:12:19   shoes of those blasters are are too [TS]

00:12:22   precise for her gypsy but as i'm [TS]

00:12:25   downtown and you you know it's one of [TS]

00:12:27   these places where you can get you can [TS]

00:12:29   get homemade almond butter and you can [TS]

00:12:31   get you know like help underwear and at [TS]

00:12:34   and there's this there's a little kiosk [TS]

00:12:37   that selling scarves and I needed a [TS]

00:12:40   scarf and i bought a scarf and it was [TS]

00:12:43   the and i bought the pink scarf because [TS]

00:12:45   it was the one that appealed to me and I [TS]

00:12:48   come back to the venue and on the way [TS]

00:12:51   back you know this is Burlington Vermont [TS]

00:12:54   this isn't like this is Oklahoma City [TS]

00:12:56   that's that's deep fleece and NPR [TS]

00:12:58   country [TS]

00:12:59   yeah yeah and i'm walking back to the [TS]

00:13:00   venue and then so on the trip to the [TS]

00:13:02   venue and then at the venue you know no [TS]

00:13:05   fewer than six people comment kind of [TS]

00:13:08   with the right [TS]

00:13:10   that i'm wearing a pink scarf so that's [TS]

00:13:12   how it is in his hand and I had not [TS]

00:13:15   occurred to me when i bought it that [TS]

00:13:18   there would be any that that would be [TS]

00:13:20   any kind of signal or that it would in [TS]

00:13:22   any way be too confusing for people that [TS]

00:13:25   I had chosen the pink one is simply [TS]

00:13:28   because the pink one was the handsomest [TS]

00:13:30   of the scarves is it these are strangers [TS]

00:13:32   were talking about these are people on [TS]

00:13:33   the street and then when i arrived at [TS]

00:13:35   the venue there are people i'm [TS]

00:13:36   interacting within the course of of the [TS]

00:13:38   work that I am doing about to put on a [TS]

00:13:40   rock shell and everybody's like nice [TS]

00:13:43   pink scarf em and I was like thank you [TS]

00:13:48   it is a nice pink scarf and what's [TS]

00:13:50   amazing to me Marla and maybe it's [TS]

00:13:52   something about the color of pink that [TS]

00:13:53   this pink scarf is because it's very [TS]

00:13:55   pink but i still wear the scarf and i [TS]

00:13:58   still get comments from people like nice [TS]

00:14:04   pink scarf em and i think is pink really [TS]

00:14:08   is it is it such an off-limits color for [TS]

00:14:12   an adult man that you cannot have one [TS]

00:14:14   item of pink flare that it doesn't freak [TS]

00:14:18   somewhere like a pink polo shirt I think [TS]

00:14:21   I by wear pink all up and down because [TS]

00:14:24   pink is a handsome color represents a [TS]

00:14:26   very handsome coffee of the rain [TS]

00:14:27   sometimes you have the right skin tone [TS]

00:14:29   especially big fella like you know I [TS]

00:14:31   think it's a nice way to soften your [TS]

00:14:32   look with troubles me though and I don't [TS]

00:14:34   think about some heat at all although I [TS]

00:14:36   feel like soften em is a little bit of a [TS]

00:14:39   gender normative always like saying [TS]

00:14:42   somebody's fat [TS]

00:14:43   yeah you don't say think it's a soft [TS]

00:14:45   pink is optic I said some I said [TS]

00:14:48   somebody was a Nancy the other day oh [TS]

00:14:50   dear [TS]

00:14:50   and I got a bunch of raised eyebrows [TS]

00:14:52   Nancy I wish not like I wish you could [TS]

00:14:55   pick our listeners come on man see he's [TS]

00:14:57   our generalization see Johnson some time [TS]

00:15:01   we're gonna we're gonna have to have a [TS]

00:15:02   program where we really really boil it [TS]

00:15:04   down and have a discussion about the [TS]

00:15:05   word no I think we would just sit and be [TS]

00:15:07   racist and sexist all we would be we [TS]

00:15:10   would do that for an hour and everybody [TS]

00:15:12   will hate us forever on purpose we would [TS]

00:15:14   deliberately try to impress people now I [TS]

00:15:17   I unintentionally thought about [TS]

00:15:18   semiotics this morning and I had to set [TS]

00:15:20   it aside [TS]

00:15:20   I said leave it [TS]

00:15:21   now i'm thinking about the troubles that [TS]

00:15:24   you're now you're in a safe space [TS]

00:15:25   yeah it signifies a safe space this is [TS]

00:15:29   the difference but but I as I sit here [TS]

00:15:32   now [TS]

00:15:32   what troubles me about that is yes [TS]

00:15:34   obviously there's this whole like you're [TS]

00:15:36   a giant fag thing but what also troubles [TS]

00:15:38   me is now that's what that's what [TS]

00:15:39   they're saying but what troubles me [TS]

00:15:41   about it is that whole like and this is [TS]

00:15:43   what I don't want my daughter and her [TS]

00:15:45   friend with the fuchsia hair to have to [TS]

00:15:47   face future hair thing is uh is this [TS]

00:15:49   whole like oh and you drop this thing [TS]

00:15:52   you don't even say you look like a [TS]

00:15:54   homosexual and that's bad [TS]

00:15:57   they're not even saying what they're [TS]

00:15:57   really thinking they're they're leaving [TS]

00:16:00   something in the air and I I think I [TS]

00:16:03   feel pretty sure that this drives you [TS]

00:16:04   nuts when something is left in the air [TS]

00:16:06   and addressed [TS]

00:16:07   I don't like the left in the air [TS]

00:16:08   unaddressed now you should feel bad [TS]

00:16:10   about something then I don't have the [TS]

00:16:13   stones to actually tell you you should [TS]

00:16:15   feel bad about you know that's why I [TS]

00:16:17   carry a tennis racket everywhere is it [TS]

00:16:21   waits on it doesn't it say you know that [TS]

00:16:24   I trained with one it with weights is it [TS]

00:16:26   pink it is big it's a pink graphite [TS]

00:16:29   tennis racket a nice i just i just give [TS]

00:16:33   him a bunk right my sweet spot can make [TS]

00:16:38   it satisfying pull and if you need to [TS]

00:16:41   you can always turn it sideways and [TS]

00:16:42   really give them give them a serious [TS]

00:16:44   breach of the plateau [TS]

00:16:45   well your sister what would this came up [TS]

00:16:48   the other day because of the because of [TS]

00:16:52   the new movement i guess it's not new [TS]

00:16:55   but it's a relatively new movement which [TS]

00:16:57   is the part of the polyamorous rights [TS]

00:17:02   God the part that polyamorous people and [TS]

00:17:07   that is a word that I object to do not [TS]

00:17:09   believe that first of all polyamorous is [TS]

00:17:11   a word at all but second of all it's a [TS]

00:17:14   terrible way of describing [TS]

00:17:15   [Music] [TS]

00:17:17   the this this class of people but the [TS]

00:17:19   polyamorous are three cats probably [TS]

00:17:24   Greek right now it's like to cut to the [TS]

00:17:26   combination of Greek and Latin and that [TS]

00:17:28   is what makes it [TS]

00:17:29   yeah i mean Strunk and white chapter 1 [TS]

00:17:31   come on can't come up with something can [TS]

00:17:32   we just call wife-swapping is that you [TS]

00:17:34   can't do that anymore that normative [TS]

00:17:36   well no but this is the finger isn't [TS]

00:17:38   swapping part of the poly philly acts no [TS]

00:17:41   no I no take-backs no Indian giving well [TS]

00:17:44   they want to be in it the multiple [TS]

00:17:46   relationships simultaneously it's not [TS]

00:17:50   that they want to be that this is the [TS]

00:17:52   thing that the this is really not a [TS]

00:17:54   choice say that they are that they're [TS]

00:17:57   born this way she's like philly x [TS]

00:17:58   probably philly access because puff [TS]

00:18:00   polyamory is like two minutes [TS]

00:18:03   that's that's right then you're saying [TS]

00:18:04   it's it's a choice it's not you this is [TS]

00:18:06   how i am let it begin with me and [TS]

00:18:11   so-and-so weekend for the poly philly [TS]

00:18:12   acts and I said nothing because I get it [TS]

00:18:15   on and they came for the people in [TS]

00:18:18   bathrobes and I said nothing and so what [TS]

00:18:20   what rights are being scotched what [TS]

00:18:23   Felix here's what happened the the great [TS]

00:18:26   American dan savage went online at some [TS]

00:18:32   point recently and said in response to [TS]

00:18:35   people writing him he said I don't think [TS]

00:18:38   that that like okay I hate the word but [TS]

00:18:43   I don't think polyamory is a is a thing [TS]

00:18:46   that you are born with i think it is a [TS]

00:18:48   choice that you make tents habits that [TS]

00:18:50   that dan savage said wow I bet he got [TS]

00:18:53   some notes because the because people [TS]

00:18:56   were writing him and saying in response [TS]

00:18:58   to advise he was giving people they were [TS]

00:19:00   saying i'm born this way and and poly [TS]

00:19:03   amorous rights are equivalent and our [TS]

00:19:07   struggle for recognition and for [TS]

00:19:10   acceptance is equivalent to the gay [TS]

00:19:12   rights struggle which is equivalent to [TS]

00:19:13   the Civil Rights which is equivalent to [TS]

00:19:15   the civil rights struggle struggle so [TS]

00:19:16   everyone has been a slave basically [TS]

00:19:19   everyone has been living in slavery and [TS]

00:19:20   now we are that there's this cascading [TS]

00:19:23   we are in in the in the the middle of [TS]

00:19:25   the Niagara of recognition that people [TS]

00:19:28   are born [TS]

00:19:29   as they are mm and everybody should be [TS]

00:19:32   everybody should be entitled to you know [TS]

00:19:36   that this is the same sort of its it's [TS]

00:19:39   literally a 200 know it's a 400-year [TS]

00:19:42   legacy of forced labor and having your [TS]

00:19:45   children taken away its it 400 years [TS]

00:19:49   people suffered because of their in [TS]

00:19:51   their those cultures built-in inability [TS]

00:19:54   to allow them to love various persons [TS]

00:19:56   right and so where's my parade [TS]

00:19:59   so 10 so damn has been you know [TS]

00:20:02   wrestling with this because he does [TS]

00:20:04   because he's a he is kind of the Locust [TS]

00:20:06   Point in America at least four people [TS]

00:20:09   for this kind of conversation you know [TS]

00:20:12   Dan is like always at the forefront of [TS]

00:20:15   gay rights [TS]

00:20:17   well you know what I mean this is one [TS]

00:20:18   case where that word that word I think [TS]

00:20:20   works very well when you say he's sort [TS]

00:20:21   of a thought leader in the in the like [TS]

00:20:23   the whole queer movement the whole [TS]

00:20:25   before we add another word to to LGBT [TS]

00:20:28   WXYZ that queer and generally people who [TS]

00:20:31   are mean by using that incorrectly I [TS]

00:20:33   think I don't know what that is that's [TS]

00:20:34   as part of that's right that's the way [TS]

00:20:35   that we were we were taught [TS]

00:20:37   I don't I don't know if queer is still [TS]

00:20:40   acceptable because i think it's really [TS]

00:20:41   acceptable i feel like the kids will [TS]

00:20:44   know III but I feel like it was really [TS]

00:20:45   acceptable in in 96 and kids now are [TS]

00:20:48   rewriting the rules every day it's [TS]

00:20:50   referring first race up about what [TS]

00:20:52   language is acceptable you know what I [TS]

00:20:54   mean like there are 21 year olds out [TS]

00:20:56   there who are dictating what language is [TS]

00:20:59   it isn't is not acceptable and I'm [TS]

00:21:02   afraid that'll work out great i'm afraid [TS]

00:21:05   that i am not all of be RSS feed the key [TS]

00:21:08   you read the trades but you got to do i [TS]

00:21:12   do there's there's this great there's [TS]

00:21:15   this great guy in England who publishes [TS]

00:21:16   at an e-zine called worldwide words [TS]

00:21:20   where every week he goes in he does like [TS]

00:21:25   a deep etymology of a few different [TS]

00:21:28   words i love that stuff and in and it's [TS]

00:21:31   not a I think you might have a website [TS]

00:21:33   but this just shows up in my email [TS]

00:21:35   he just sends out an email blast but [TS]

00:21:37   once a week where is like the derivation [TS]

00:21:40   of the word [TS]

00:21:41   you know the city and he really will you [TS]

00:21:46   get you'll get all the way into all like [TS]

00:21:48   he'll find the earliest citation of the [TS]

00:21:51   earliest use of a word and and and kind [TS]

00:21:54   of walk us all the way back to where it [TS]

00:21:56   came from but anyway so the the [TS]

00:21:59   struggles of the polyamorous um I've [TS]

00:22:05   been I've been turning it over and over [TS]

00:22:08   in my mind both because but because i [TS]

00:22:12   feel like we are we're fast arriving at [TS]

00:22:15   the singularity of Rights where it's [TS]

00:22:21   like a identity politics great GU yeah [TS]

00:22:24   we're who we are [TS]

00:22:26   if if we are if we are abandoning the [TS]

00:22:29   idea of nurture and all like trending [TS]

00:22:33   toward this born this way born this way [TS]

00:22:35   born this way [TS]

00:22:36   I mean I definitely feel like a lot of [TS]

00:22:38   my problems in life in interacting with [TS]

00:22:41   other people are the result of traits [TS]

00:22:43   that i was born with you know what I [TS]

00:22:46   mean like mind my nature is such that i [TS]

00:22:51   can I i look at my grand my grandfather [TS]

00:22:53   and his life and my mother in her life i [TS]

00:22:55   look back in my family and I see these [TS]

00:22:57   traits expressed in a way that i do not [TS]

00:23:01   feel I was taught but rather that I came [TS]

00:23:05   I came equipped with this kind of [TS]

00:23:07   personality even and so and and that [TS]

00:23:13   personality has definitely affected the [TS]

00:23:15   way i have i have interacted with other [TS]

00:23:18   ppl the success I've had in the world [TS]

00:23:19   and although i don't want to parade [TS]

00:23:23   I do feel like over the course of the [TS]

00:23:27   last 20 years i have felt sick [TS]

00:23:29   increasingly less like a freak and more [TS]

00:23:33   like a type right so the and and so and [TS]

00:23:39   that has given me a certain freedom [TS]

00:23:40   because I say listen I am this type i am [TS]

00:23:43   introverted i am i am i'm a loner but [TS]

00:23:49   I'm also a social introverted so that's [TS]

00:23:51   why it's confusing to you why [TS]

00:23:54   I want to come home with you tonight but [TS]

00:23:56   I don't want to stay the night [TS]

00:23:57   understand your and i think i can see [TS]

00:24:01   why this is confusing to you and you're [TS]

00:24:02   saying like you came home with me now [TS]

00:24:04   stay the night and I'm like gotta go but [TS]

00:24:06   it's not your fault where the rights for [TS]

00:24:08   the monomers for the nano amorous I'm a [TS]

00:24:11   type understand and there are a lot of [TS]

00:24:14   people i think on the internet who [TS]

00:24:15   himself identify as asexual I like [TS]

00:24:19   Morrissey like Morrissey who are who are [TS]

00:24:23   similarly liberated by the recognition [TS]

00:24:27   that they that they have a group that [TS]

00:24:29   they are a type they're not a freak [TS]

00:24:31   they're just they trend toward asexual [TS]

00:24:35   on the on the great like globular graph [TS]

00:24:40   of human types but so I so I feel the I [TS]

00:24:46   feel the polyamorous out there I really [TS]

00:24:48   feel them party really sick push my long [TS]

00:24:51   tongue and there they are there they're [TS]

00:24:55   living in a world where monogamy is the [TS]

00:24:59   is the mass right [TS]

00:25:01   monogamy is is unquestionably and [TS]

00:25:04   monogamy is the man is the man and it [TS]

00:25:07   and monogamy is not it's not just a [TS]

00:25:09   socially determined demand monogamy is [TS]

00:25:11   that is the type and the choice of the [TS]

00:25:13   majority and yet here these people are [TS]

00:25:18   and they and I think probably [TS]

00:25:20   legitimately say I never ever felt a [TS]

00:25:24   different way then that I want to have [TS]

00:25:27   two wives or that i want to be it i want [TS]

00:25:30   to be in simultaneous a simultaneously [TS]

00:25:34   caring loving relationships with [TS]

00:25:36   multiple people and now i want my cute [TS]

00:25:41   and I want my civil rights and human [TS]

00:25:42   rights but what [TS]

00:25:45   ok i stipulate this is your topic not [TS]

00:25:47   mine and I don't want to get involved i [TS]

00:25:50   don't have to argue with that lady that [TS]

00:25:52   always wants to argue with us you have [TS]

00:25:54   to take care of that for us who wants to [TS]

00:25:56   argue with me i must have I must block [TS]

00:25:57   the ball moving on the the 3x1 okay [TS]

00:26:01   first of all I i would like you to the [TS]

00:26:03   extent possible to help me understand [TS]

00:26:05   what rights are being denied [TS]

00:26:07   these people but i would also like to [TS]

00:26:08   say yes i I'm I'm the problem because [TS]

00:26:12   I'm the man literally it's my name but [TS]

00:26:15   but uh but it also then always [TS]

00:26:17   interesting to me like I've said this [TS]

00:26:19   before but i always wish there were a [TS]

00:26:21   word [TS]

00:26:22   besides I wish they were a distinction [TS]

00:26:24   between for example an atheist and an [TS]

00:26:27   anti theist or you know what I mean like [TS]

00:26:29   I think I think that's problematic that [TS]

00:26:32   atheists is is used for somebody like [TS]

00:26:36   Richard Dawkins characters I don't think [TS]

00:26:38   he's an atheist I think he's an [TS]

00:26:39   antifreeze anti-theist agreed and an [TS]

00:26:42   atheist to me should somebody somebody [TS]

00:26:45   it's it's a movie equivalent of saying [TS]

00:26:47   like I'm an a strawberry and like you [TS]

00:26:50   know what you're like I don't eat [TS]

00:26:52   strawberries like they're out there [TS]

00:26:53   maybe but I don't you know what I mean [TS]

00:26:55   it's not you are ambivalent to go doing [TS]

00:26:57   you identify by what you are not [TS]

00:27:00   yes for myself for myself as the Grand [TS]

00:27:03   agreed when you when you determine your [TS]

00:27:06   your politics and rights based on what [TS]

00:27:09   you are not i think you're not on the [TS]

00:27:11   road to empowerment agreed you're you're [TS]

00:27:13   on the road to systematically mindful e [TS]

00:27:17   marginalizing yourself go Maryland go to [TS]

00:27:21   your tactic is your topic [TS]

00:27:22   no no I like it and that but i think [TS]

00:27:24   it's a good thing it's a condition of [TS]

00:27:26   our modern times we are we are and i [TS]

00:27:30   think i'd tried to get into this with [TS]

00:27:31   you once and God and the talk about sex [TS]

00:27:34   gross you out no and you didn't you [TS]

00:27:37   close your ears and then and then you [TS]

00:27:38   started talking about your night sex- [TS]

00:27:40   i'm talking about your fucking sex [TS]

00:27:43   negative i don't want to hear about all [TS]

00:27:45   your make-believe orgasms on Twitter and [TS]

00:27:48   all of your you're eating ice cream and [TS]

00:27:49   playing with your hitachi you know what [TS]

00:27:51   keep it in your pants Johnny you know [TS]

00:27:53   that that's my feeling [TS]

00:27:55   yamaguchi Tom that was my little pets [TS]

00:27:57   you gotta have accepted a little you [TS]

00:27:59   gotta catch em all right but bigger logs [TS]

00:28:02   is that related to politics i'm not sure [TS]

00:28:04   i think it's it's a it's a Pikachu bless [TS]

00:28:09   you [TS]

00:28:10   nobody living in the downtown as i have [TS]

00:28:14   done for many years living in the [TS]

00:28:16   downtown of a western city and and and i [TS]

00:28:19   wanna i don't want to derail this [TS]

00:28:20   and I was just in ohio and boy oh hi oh [TS]

00:28:23   is different than which is which part [TS]

00:28:25   I was in I was in the akron-canton [TS]

00:28:27   Cleveland axis the Cuyahoga River Valley [TS]

00:28:33   and a lot of riding lawnmowers a lot of [TS]

00:28:37   leaf blowers who a lot of women like [TS]

00:28:40   middle-aged women with wedge haircuts [TS]

00:28:42   you know when sharing that is sure I [TS]

00:28:44   know ledge [TS]

00:28:44   yeah but anyway so living here in the [TS]

00:28:47   West you know for many years I have [TS]

00:28:50   interacted with people who have who were [TS]

00:28:52   self-identifying as freaky or that they [TS]

00:28:56   that they were not interested in vanilla [TS]

00:28:58   if you know what I'm saying we're not [TS]

00:29:01   interested in a vanilla lifestyle they [TS]

00:29:03   were interested in a freaky lifestyle [TS]

00:29:05   and interacting with some of these [TS]

00:29:07   people as I do as a researcher and has a [TS]

00:29:10   man as a as a rock musician [TS]

00:29:13   sometimes I would be a I would find [TS]

00:29:16   myself as part of my research back in [TS]

00:29:17   their lair in their cave so [TS]

00:29:21   anthropologically just there you can [TS]

00:29:23   observe them in their natural [TS]

00:29:25   environment [TS]

00:29:25   yeah just there's a researcher and there [TS]

00:29:27   to see because you know freaky people [TS]

00:29:30   are freaky are people too and yes and as [TS]

00:29:33   a self-identified a queer or freak [TS]

00:29:35   positive person i was there at you know [TS]

00:29:40   as an is-3 with everything you've [TS]

00:29:42   decided you are not sort of sort of like [TS]

00:29:44   a UN observer and spread you got like a [TS]

00:29:47   blue helmet and you're like us writer at [TS]

00:29:49   the Central American election in a way i [TS]

00:29:52   did have a blue helmet but I sounds in [TS]

00:29:58   anyway so I but you get into those [TS]

00:30:00   situations and you get in you get [TS]

00:30:01   engaged with these people in their in [TS]

00:30:03   their multifarious ways and and in most [TS]

00:30:08   cases i discovered that the freakiness [TS]

00:30:11   was not a was not superior to vanilla it [TS]

00:30:17   was not like being anti vanilla being [TS]

00:30:21   not vanilla was not the same as being [TS]

00:30:26   like somehow having an evolved sexuality [TS]

00:30:30   or evolved a set of tastes it was simply [TS]

00:30:36   like it was it was largely defined by [TS]

00:30:39   what it wasn't [TS]

00:30:41   and this was you know this is my [TS]

00:30:42   complaint about punk rock too but I'm [TS]

00:30:44   not going to talk about me anymore let [TS]

00:30:46   me more and and I did feel like people [TS]

00:30:51   were getting in it into smaller and [TS]

00:30:53   smaller groups [TS]

00:30:54   it's like that it's like when we were in [TS]

00:30:56   high school there were you were eat if [TS]

00:30:58   you like metal you were a metalhead and [TS]

00:31:00   now I imagine if you went to high school [TS]

00:31:02   today there would be like 40 different [TS]

00:31:06   splinter metal group some social groups [TS]

00:31:10   and the and the but the death metal kids [TS]

00:31:13   and the you know and the classic Swedish [TS]

00:31:18   Chef is Swedish or Norwegian exactly and [TS]

00:31:21   nobody can nobody killed melodic death [TS]

00:31:23   metal already very very different around [TS]

00:31:26   the core campfire of metal there now [TS]

00:31:29   isn't that a goddamn shame you just [TS]

00:31:31   can't sit there and listen to some iron [TS]

00:31:32   maiden like a gentleman and and and i [TS]

00:31:35   have this problem i listen to listen to [TS]

00:31:37   certain certain threads of nu-metal and [TS]

00:31:40   I'm like and I don't mean no I metal I [TS]

00:31:42   mean like because of the german band [TS]

00:31:44   ring and i think this isn't metal this [TS]

00:31:47   is just this is like this is metal [TS]

00:31:50   sounds and metal parts either yet you [TS]

00:31:54   could hook up a Volkswagen to a boss [TS]

00:31:57   pedal and listen to it turnover and it [TS]

00:32:00   would sound basically the same i like [TS]

00:32:02   that idea [TS]

00:32:03   could you hook up a Volkswagen to a boss [TS]

00:32:05   pedal you need a microphone in between I [TS]

00:32:06   need a firewire probably but I can point [TS]

00:32:09   out one thing I end this is boy are you [TS]

00:32:12   ever going to get mail about this [TS]

00:32:13   yeah but here's here's something we [TS]

00:32:15   talked about it and I know it is i've [TS]

00:32:17   heard is extremely frustrating to [TS]

00:32:19   african-american people and i'm using [TS]

00:32:21   that term very lightly because i thought [TS]

00:32:22   they're actually pretty fucking pissed [TS]

00:32:24   when people say things are like the [TS]

00:32:26   civil rights movement because yes in one [TS]

00:32:29   sense they are if you learn about the [TS]

00:32:30   civil rights movement when you were a [TS]

00:32:32   kid in the nineties it can seem very [TS]

00:32:33   similar because you say well you know we [TS]

00:32:37   were being treated poorly were bit [TS]

00:32:38   people are discriminating against us [TS]

00:32:40   and there are willful and in some cases [TS]

00:32:42   willful systematic attempts to keep us [TS]

00:32:45   from being part of the culture right and [TS]

00:32:48   and you know it whether whether that's [TS]

00:32:50   Montgomery or Cristal knock [TS]

00:32:52   yeah that was a real thing but but [TS]

00:32:54   here's something I've noticed and i'm [TS]

00:32:55   curious if you've noticed this [TS]

00:32:57   I've noticed that somebody who's black [TS]

00:32:59   when they're 21 is also black when [TS]

00:33:01   they're 70 I'm noticing that there are a [TS]

00:33:03   lot fewer people who are freaky when [TS]

00:33:07   you're 21 but that is still ok when [TS]

00:33:11   their middle age and you know what the [TS]

00:33:12   ones who are free care in the middle age [TS]

00:33:15   don't fucking care what you think and [TS]

00:33:17   don't need you to like their rights [TS]

00:33:18   they're just doing their thing and you [TS]

00:33:21   see that around here and I think it's [TS]

00:33:22   super cool and they don't need a fucking [TS]

00:33:24   parade [TS]

00:33:25   they're just going out and doing [TS]

00:33:25   whatever they want and they don't need [TS]

00:33:27   to be fucking Rosa Parks and I really [TS]

00:33:29   respect that if you ever came on the [TS]

00:33:30   jonathan coulton cruise you know I was [TS]

00:33:32   here apparently three other people on [TS]

00:33:34   anything on a cruise [TS]

00:33:36   okie dokie those things are there are a [TS]

00:33:38   lot of middle-aged freaky people but as [TS]

00:33:41   you say they they find their they find [TS]

00:33:43   their place and there let me know who [TS]

00:33:45   they are and they they they I mean [TS]

00:33:47   seconds as courses san francisco which [TS]

00:33:49   is an outlier but you know it i really [TS]

00:33:52   respect people who don't need a label [TS]

00:33:54   and the ones that I end up respecting [TS]

00:33:55   and I have to admit maybe this is [TS]

00:33:57   because i'm getting a little bit more [TS]

00:33:59   into nerdy culture which I know is a [TS]

00:34:00   controversial topic but you know one [TS]

00:34:02   reason and I'm I'm gaining more and more [TS]

00:34:04   respect for LARPers and cosplayers it a [TS]

00:34:06   positive a positive in the sense of [TS]

00:34:09   saying like you know what I like [TS]

00:34:10   dressing up like Captain Marvel or again [TS]

00:34:12   i am a paladin I can't use a vorpal [TS]

00:34:14   blade but I can sure have fun on the [TS]

00:34:16   weekends and i like that to me showing [TS]

00:34:18   up and going like I'm a non non larper [TS]

00:34:21   is not much of an identity that lecture [TS]

00:34:24   13 right now the libertarian priest is [TS]

00:34:27   he's just leave loving this conversation [TS]

00:34:29   I think the person he knows all about [TS]

00:34:32   the powers of paladin that was one of [TS]

00:34:34   those put them first [TS]

00:34:36   he's the DMV priest you knew that right [TS]

00:34:38   talk about the bro yeah bro I totally [TS]

00:34:41   did not know then Brody indeed be brie [TS]

00:34:43   learned something that I've forgotten [TS]

00:34:44   which is that you can change your [TS]

00:34:46   alignment but didn't you lose experience [TS]

00:34:48   points when you change that's right you [TS]

00:34:49   can get together that's true in life [TS]

00:34:51   john m [TS]

00:34:52   let's say you are like I personally like [TS]

00:34:55   I was watching The Hunger Games movie [TS]

00:34:57   the other night which is actually about [TS]

00:34:59   a hundred times better than I expected [TS]

00:35:00   and i was thinking about how she's kind [TS]

00:35:01   of a ranger [TS]

00:35:03   yeah you know what I mean what is that [TS]

00:35:04   done since I've never seen that Joe and [TS]

00:35:06   you know a ranger what angular its high [TS]

00:35:08   high dexterity you got a pretty good [TS]

00:35:12   strength i think you gotta have some [TS]

00:35:13   charisma monks need a lot of charisma [TS]

00:35:15   right yeah anything good [TS]

00:35:16   hooded cloak eating a cloak you need [TS]

00:35:19   notice the vibrating pan that's the that [TS]

00:35:23   freaky freaky monk right yeah you can [TS]

00:35:26   tell down walls right better Ranger [TS]

00:35:28   anyway so I always thought of myself as [TS]

00:35:31   a youngster as being chaotic good right [TS]

00:35:33   which i think is what most teenagers [TS]

00:35:36   like to think that they are sure i think [TS]

00:35:37   if you thought that you were lawful good [TS]

00:35:40   or lawful neutral you would think that [TS]

00:35:42   you are such a pussy right chaotic good [TS]

00:35:45   it's okay you know what dude I'm a good [TS]

00:35:47   guy but I'm a little bit of a wild card [TS]

00:35:49   yeah let lawful good as a townsperson [TS]

00:35:51   farmer merchant that's one of those [TS]

00:35:53   pesky non-player characters it's always [TS]

00:35:55   trying to get into your shit get your [TS]

00:35:57   gold your heart boots [TS]

00:35:58   yeah you know that's the the non-player [TS]

00:36:00   characters the ones you get off anyway [TS]

00:36:02   you know what I don't have a point to [TS]

00:36:03   this is Janos you get further along in [TS]

00:36:05   life i think that a lot of people need [TS]

00:36:08   to confront the idea that they are not [TS]

00:36:09   chaotic good and that they are more or [TS]

00:36:13   less lawful good for ya lawful good [TS]

00:36:17   really i think the majority of people [TS]

00:36:18   are just it's just disoriented normal [TS]

00:36:21   but isn't that lawful good disoriented [TS]

00:36:23   normal [TS]

00:36:24   mm I think of an alignment obviously is [TS]

00:36:27   reductive it has to be right [TS]

00:36:29   you've got you got this you got this [TS]

00:36:31   girl like your alignment has changed as [TS]

00:36:32   you grow older i mean i guess but i [TS]

00:36:36   don't think i'm good anymore because [TS]

00:36:38   well you know if it's okay so here's the [TS]

00:36:40   difference a paladin has to be lawful [TS]

00:36:42   good which means not simply that you [TS]

00:36:44   honor the law and are a good person [TS]

00:36:47   it means that you must act in pursuit of [TS]

00:36:50   lawful things and you must make things [TS]

00:36:52   good i think that's a big difference and [TS]

00:36:55   this is the problem with all these [TS]

00:36:56   fucking teenagers running around the [TS]

00:36:57   goddamn bathrobes is that you're not [TS]

00:36:59   fighting in the service of anything [TS]

00:37:01   except your own identity at that time [TS]

00:37:03   and you know what why don't you get back [TS]

00:37:04   in the oven and [TS]

00:37:05   bake for five more years and then come [TS]

00:37:07   back and tell me about what words i'm [TS]

00:37:09   allowed to use with all due respect i do [TS]

00:37:12   agree that that that the civil rights [TS]

00:37:14   movement in America is not analogous to [TS]

00:37:17   is not directly analogous to the [TS]

00:37:20   proliferation of rights movement your [TS]

00:37:23   grandparents weren't slaves bathrobe boy [TS]

00:37:26   yeah but I feel like I feel like leaving [TS]

00:37:29   that aside leaving leaving the leaving [TS]

00:37:31   the fact that everybody is trying to [TS]

00:37:32   connect their their small struggle to [TS]

00:37:36   the to the large struggle we are now [TS]

00:37:40   living in a world where we have to [TS]

00:37:42   reckon with all of these small struggles [TS]

00:37:45   you know and and and and I'm afraid [TS]

00:37:47   people are thinking it all the way [TS]

00:37:49   through thinking the born this way all [TS]

00:37:51   the way through because if born this way [TS]

00:37:54   he's acting kind of restrictive well [TS]

00:37:56   it's not just that it is it's a tit [TS]

00:37:58   I'm not worried about the restrictive [TS]

00:38:00   and something it is that born this way [TS]

00:38:02   is precisely the argument that NAMBLA [TS]

00:38:05   members use it if you have you just did [TS]

00:38:11   the white van kid diddler version of [TS]

00:38:13   Godwin's law [TS]

00:38:14   I just I feel and and we make gay [TS]

00:38:17   marriage possible people got married [TS]

00:38:19   their cats [TS]

00:38:20   that's the brought that's the problem [TS]

00:38:21   and this is this is this is why I like [TS]

00:38:24   people that get mad at me [TS]

00:38:26   uh like argue that i am some kind of [TS]

00:38:29   crazy [TS]

00:38:30   uh I i I've gone I've gone across the [TS]

00:38:33   radical spectrum and on the other side [TS]

00:38:35   now back to reactionary but but but if [TS]

00:38:39   you if you follow and again as part of [TS]

00:38:42   my Pete Townsend research i have i have [TS]

00:38:44   listened to the voice here into a lot of [TS]

00:38:47   dark corners i have i've listened to the [TS]

00:38:48   voices of the oppressed men who love [TS]

00:38:51   hello children and I've listened to [TS]

00:38:54   their their lamentations the level [TS]

00:38:57   confrontations of themselves [TS]

00:38:59   letís and and they say and a lot of [TS]

00:39:02   them you can't help but have sympathy [TS]

00:39:04   for them as they stand before a judge [TS]

00:39:06   and beg to be castrated talk about being [TS]

00:39:09   born this way and say like I cannot help [TS]

00:39:11   these urges I've had them since i since [TS]

00:39:15   i can remember i know it is criminal I [TS]

00:39:17   know it's wrong I want to be [TS]

00:39:19   castrated please send me to jail please [TS]

00:39:22   execute me you know there are people [TS]

00:39:24   pleading with us as a culture to to help [TS]

00:39:29   them solve this problem that has that [TS]

00:39:32   has plagued them their whole lives in [TS]

00:39:33   there in prison and they are you know [TS]

00:39:36   like and every time a child molester [TS]

00:39:38   goes to prison world like haha hope he [TS]

00:39:40   gets raped two thousand times but it's [TS]

00:39:42   like you know a lot of these guys I have [TS]

00:39:45   been have been fighting this their whole [TS]

00:39:46   lives and and believe me they feel like [TS]

00:39:49   they were born that way and so I'm not [TS]

00:39:52   equating a polyamory or LARPing with [TS]

00:39:57   child molestation but like that's going [TS]

00:40:01   to save your breath or brownie is I'm [TS]

00:40:04   not like I don't let me just stipulate [TS]

00:40:05   it's just think they go hand in hand and [TS]

00:40:08   glove or you probably misunderstood a [TS]

00:40:11   lot of what I'm saying but now i'm gonna [TS]

00:40:13   blow the thought in your head that this [TS]

00:40:14   is something I have to deny but but if [TS]

00:40:18   you if if you if you if you go down the [TS]

00:40:22   rabbit hole of born this way there's a [TS]

00:40:25   lot down deeper in the hole but you [TS]

00:40:29   don't want to look at and so where do [TS]

00:40:31   you draw the line where do you say like [TS]

00:40:32   all right here hit this is this is [TS]

00:40:35   unconscionable to us or that we cannot [TS]

00:40:37   allow it past this point but up on this [TS]

00:40:40   side of it but you know up the whole ice [TS]

00:40:43   we're gonna say yes god damn it you know [TS]

00:40:46   Brody's have rights so yeah I mean [TS]

00:40:49   you're if I understand and I I this is [TS]

00:40:52   your topic but if i understand i think [TS]

00:40:54   what you're saying it's that when you go [TS]

00:40:56   down the road to born this way then if [TS]

00:40:59   you if your basic thesis is that Born [TS]

00:41:01   This Way has to be acceptable because [TS]

00:41:04   anyone who is born a certain way has the [TS]

00:41:08   inalienable inalienable right to be [TS]

00:41:09   respected and found lawful for what it [TS]

00:41:12   is [TS]

00:41:12   in other words we should not penalize [TS]

00:41:13   people for being born this way whether [TS]

00:41:15   that is God [TS]

00:41:17   yeah I'm not doing this but it is that [TS]

00:41:19   is kind of what you're saying right now [TS]

00:41:20   if your basic premise is born this way [TS]

00:41:22   it has primacy then you open the door to [TS]

00:41:25   all the things that you're going to [TS]

00:41:27   email account right right I'm going to [TS]

00:41:28   get a lot of email but the thing is that [TS]

00:41:29   human beings are animals right first and [TS]

00:41:32   foremost [TS]

00:41:33   and born this way is a naturalistic [TS]

00:41:35   argument isn't it is an argument that [TS]

00:41:38   that we are at our natures are [TS]

00:41:41   predetermined deterministic by our by [TS]

00:41:45   our animal selves right but across the [TS]

00:41:48   Great spectrum of human beings there are [TS]

00:41:52   a lot of us that are born in a way that [TS]

00:41:55   that that as soon as that way is [TS]

00:41:58   identified we should probably put that [TS]

00:42:00   person to death immediately like there [TS]

00:42:02   are people who are born in a way that [TS]

00:42:05   they coming [TS]

00:42:06   if you if you read about Jeffrey Dahmer [TS]

00:42:07   he he thought his whole life to control [TS]

00:42:10   his urges to rape and and eat his [TS]

00:42:13   victims or whatever you know like they [TS]

00:42:14   he is also born that way and so we are [TS]

00:42:19   going to need a new email address right [TS]

00:42:21   what it was right people are going to be [TS]

00:42:22   people are gonna are are all going to be [TS]

00:42:25   wrestling with the animators tonight [TS]

00:42:27   Elliot you're saying yeah but that but [TS]

00:42:30   but but and this is this is by no means [TS]

00:42:33   an argument against the progress that we [TS]

00:42:36   made was to meet you heard your your [TS]

00:42:39   free hand here free glove in my chain [TS]

00:42:43   mail hand but let's make this a night [TS]

00:42:48   with the k2 remember but I worry about [TS]

00:42:50   this all the time because as I walk [TS]

00:42:53   through life I support people's desire [TS]

00:42:56   to be free but at a certain point all of [TS]

00:43:00   civilization all of law is designed to [TS]

00:43:04   constrain people's freedom for the for [TS]

00:43:09   the benefit of the mass for the good of [TS]

00:43:11   the main and what we're doing is we are [TS]

00:43:15   extending the borders of what we [TS]

00:43:17   consider to be the the mainstream right [TS]

00:43:22   i mean homosexuality now is completely [TS]

00:43:24   mainstreamed in America and then I think [TS]

00:43:28   America has gained for it but as we [TS]

00:43:31   extend those borders [TS]

00:43:32   we're all going to have to reckon with [TS]

00:43:34   just exactly where we want to draw the [TS]

00:43:36   new line because there has to be you [TS]

00:43:39   cannot extend the franchise all the way [TS]

00:43:42   out to everybody because there are there [TS]

00:43:45   are freaky people out there [TS]

00:43:46   there are people who are born in a way [TS]

00:43:49   that gives us pause and but we're not [TS]

00:43:54   talking about that you know if each new [TS]

00:43:56   struggle each new that's all that's the [TS]

00:43:58   whole point of our joking about this is [TS]

00:44:00   that is that is that the reason that [TS]

00:44:03   this is awkward is is why it's probably [TS]

00:44:05   kind of true and the reason I'm saying [TS]

00:44:08   in other words if this was easy to talk [TS]

00:44:10   about our that your point would not be [TS]

00:44:12   correct [TS]

00:44:13   it's the fact that this is such an [TS]

00:44:15   awkward thing to confront that you know [TS]

00:44:17   maybe you know maybe it is a little [TS]

00:44:18   reductive or a little bit you know black [TS]

00:44:20   and white thinking but but but how do [TS]

00:44:24   you want you know here's one thing that [TS]

00:44:26   really actively troubles me and then I [TS]

00:44:30   struggle with because as much as we [TS]

00:44:32   crack wise on here or whatever we do in [TS]

00:44:36   here like I i would genuinely like for [TS]

00:44:39   people to live the life that they would [TS]

00:44:41   like to leave it as much as it doesn't [TS]

00:44:43   harm other people and I really do [TS]

00:44:45   believe that people should be allowed to [TS]

00:44:46   be called whatever the fuck they want to [TS]

00:44:47   be called and with with respect but this [TS]

00:44:51   is a struggle and I'm going to own this [TS]

00:44:53   but like my problem is I remember I made [TS]

00:44:56   that crack about how like if you if you [TS]

00:44:58   like if you mention like crack in the [TS]

00:45:02   South people think you do crack [TS]

00:45:03   I I don't like I don't like it when [TS]

00:45:07   people think that just because I'm [TS]

00:45:09   disagreeing with you about the name and [TS]

00:45:11   entitlement something doesn't mean i [TS]

00:45:14   think you shouldn't get to do what you [TS]

00:45:15   want [TS]

00:45:16   do you know what I mean I think you can [TS]

00:45:18   end up having an extremely loud and long [TS]

00:45:22   argument about two different things [TS]

00:45:24   without ever distinguishing what they [TS]

00:45:25   are right which is that like yeah well [TS]

00:45:28   like why are we arguing everybody should [TS]

00:45:30   be able to do the thing that they want [TS]

00:45:31   to do you know your rights stop at the [TS]

00:45:33   end of my nose kind of thing but like [TS]

00:45:35   but i but I I don't like being [TS]

00:45:37   constantly tutored by people on how I [TS]

00:45:40   need to realign my thinking in [TS]

00:45:42   vocabulary to climb or know what they're [TS]

00:45:44   feeling this week I know you hate being [TS]

00:45:46   tutored by people on the internet I [TS]

00:45:49   don't like being tutored and you know [TS]

00:45:50   what it reminds me of in some ways as [TS]

00:45:52   long as we're going to escalate this one [TS]

00:45:53   reminds me of is they say that it is [TS]

00:45:56   said [TS]

00:45:57   that one reason they say that it is said [TS]

00:45:59   they say this is said at one reason for [TS]

00:46:03   example that Republicans conservatives [TS]

00:46:05   but Republicans in particular had so [TS]

00:46:06   much success over the years is [TS]

00:46:09   organization and things like being able [TS]

00:46:11   to rally people to say i can send out an [TS]

00:46:13   email you know astroturfing sent out [TS]

00:46:15   this email to go [TS]

00:46:16   ok here's a link go to the CNN poll and [TS]

00:46:19   vote this way right and you come into [TS]

00:46:21   nürnberg again we'll have big bonfire [TS]

00:46:23   right and so for example you could have [TS]

00:46:25   a campbell's soup recipe competition and [TS]

00:46:27   the winner would be something called Ron [TS]

00:46:29   Paul revolution and you go [TS]

00:46:30   what does that even mean well I guess [TS]

00:46:33   we're making a difference so you can [TS]

00:46:34   rally people to do just about anything [TS]

00:46:37   now the other thing that they're great [TS]

00:46:38   act and I think this is pretty [TS]

00:46:40   well-documented is being able to control [TS]

00:46:42   the vocabulary and its end up framing [TS]

00:46:44   what the actual thing we're talking [TS]

00:46:46   about is just paranoid words pro-life [TS]

00:46:49   precisely or you know again we're back [TS]

00:46:50   to don't think of an elephant but but [TS]

00:46:52   but you could you [TS]

00:46:53   I think there are actually this is a [TS]

00:46:55   thing that everybody does now which is [TS]

00:46:57   messaging which is you let everybody in [TS]

00:46:59   your camp no yes [TS]

00:47:01   here is what the messaging is this is [TS]

00:47:03   what this is the point we need to make [TS]

00:47:04   in every interview but these are the [TS]

00:47:06   words will need to use in order to do [TS]

00:47:09   this right and and the it could be [TS]

00:47:11   something like very coated you know it [TS]

00:47:14   could be like you know and problems [TS]

00:47:16   urban has a very coated meaning um and [TS]

00:47:19   so in some ways I feel like the [TS]

00:47:21   newsletter that were all being forced to [TS]

00:47:23   subscribe to that we dare not fall [TS]

00:47:26   behind on is the newsletter that lets us [TS]

00:47:28   know like you know what's what's hot and [TS]

00:47:32   what's not in terms of what now to use [TS]

00:47:34   to keep somebody from being a goddamn [TS]

00:47:35   slave and I think that puts such a lie [TS]

00:47:38   to like some really important shit [TS]

00:47:40   that's gone down in the last 400 years [TS]

00:47:42   that it makes me furious [TS]

00:47:43   yeah what's like you were not in [TS]

00:47:45   Auschwitz like relax [TS]

00:47:47   what interests me about the about the [TS]

00:47:50   conversation is as always first [TS]

00:47:54   principles right i don't think that we [TS]

00:47:56   can I don't think it's very effective to [TS]

00:47:59   talk about for instance drone attacks in [TS]

00:48:03   Afghanistan or a to talk about [TS]

00:48:07   Guantanamo [TS]

00:48:09   or to talk about the extension of civil [TS]

00:48:14   rights to each successive group it isn't [TS]

00:48:18   very useful unless there is unless [TS]

00:48:21   there's some part of the population that [TS]

00:48:23   is talking about it in terms of first [TS]

00:48:25   principles because everytime everytime a [TS]

00:48:28   new group a kind of rises up out of the [TS]

00:48:32   Mist and says we are we are another [TS]

00:48:35   group of people who demand our civil [TS]

00:48:37   rights for every time they need to be [TS]

00:48:39   and servitude and to be acknowledged [TS]

00:48:41   that we are a group to be acknowledged [TS]

00:48:44   as a group and to be to be accepted into [TS]

00:48:46   what is essentially the mainstream we [TS]

00:48:49   want to come out of the darkness and now [TS]

00:48:51   we want you know we want for instance [TS]

00:48:53   polyamory which which more or less hurts [TS]

00:48:56   nobody but we want to be mainstreamed we [TS]

00:48:59   want to be accepted we want to be able [TS]

00:49:01   to say to our co-workers we are [TS]

00:49:03   polyamorous and so so I'm going to bring [TS]

00:49:07   two people to our employee picnic and [TS]

00:49:10   there's actually not allowed to smoke at [TS]

00:49:11   your pink scarf [TS]

00:49:12   yeah or or or in a lot of cases you know [TS]

00:49:16   and we want we want our insurance and [TS]

00:49:19   benefits you know like oh IC thats will [TS]

00:49:22   write incest tomates yeah but we don't [TS]

00:49:24   be mainstreamed is as part of it and and [TS]

00:49:27   also yeah you know drone attacks and and [TS]

00:49:31   Guantanamo where we are pushing oh we're [TS]

00:49:34   pushing in specific cases what we what [TS]

00:49:37   we universally agree are the limits like [TS]

00:49:41   we are sending drones now and without [TS]

00:49:44   any human without any oversight in there [TS]

00:49:46   and obviously there's there are people [TS]

00:49:48   in in tractor trailers in the Nevada [TS]

00:49:52   desert who are watching on video cameras [TS]

00:49:54   and saying yeah I think I think that guy [TS]

00:49:57   i think that i don't like the look of [TS]

00:49:59   his turban I think that guy's bad send [TS]

00:50:02   in a send in a air-to-ground missiles [TS]

00:50:05   boom and then you know all shit after [TS]

00:50:07   the missile was launched for kids came [TS]

00:50:09   running out of the door kicking a soccer [TS]

00:50:10   ball and now we're just going to sit [TS]

00:50:12   here and watch them you know there's [TS]

00:50:14   like eight seconds until the missile [TS]

00:50:16   lands and we're just going to sit here [TS]

00:50:18   in our trailer and watch them vaporize [TS]

00:50:21   and then we're going to go home and have [TS]

00:50:23   a stouffer's dinner and and but but [TS]

00:50:27   we're trying to we're trying to figure [TS]

00:50:28   out what the what the new limits are [TS]

00:50:30   without looking at it from from from on [TS]

00:50:33   high like there's no council of elders [TS]

00:50:36   really because the media has largely [TS]

00:50:39   abdicated this role nobody writes about [TS]

00:50:41   it anymore from this standpoint because [TS]

00:50:44   nobody likes to get letters and also [TS]

00:50:48   does the that there's been a tremendous [TS]

00:50:51   decline in the in the national dialogue [TS]

00:50:55   but when it comes to pederasty God like [TS]

00:51:01   there needs to be a conversation about [TS]

00:51:04   it in our culture that no one wants to [TS]

00:51:10   initiate right who wants to be the one [TS]

00:51:13   that comes out and says let's take a [TS]

00:51:17   hard look at this and you know is it [TS]

00:51:22   when a 22 year old has sex with a 16 [TS]

00:51:25   year old and in some state or a [TS]

00:51:29   fifteen-year-old in some states he goes [TS]

00:51:31   to jail for that is that really [TS]

00:51:34   equivalent to a seventy-five-year-old [TS]

00:51:36   molesting a six-year-old who you know [TS]

00:51:38   like there are there are laws but [TS]

00:51:41   there's also there's a tremendous amount [TS]

00:51:43   of like crinkled up noses in our culture [TS]

00:51:48   where it's like oh that's gross like you [TS]

00:51:50   have no just married at 26 year-old [TS]

00:51:52   that's gross [TS]

00:51:53   he's 87 but we but it's gross but we [TS]

00:51:58   kinda also have been half the population [TS]

00:52:00   kind of high-five seem like he's getting [TS]

00:52:02   married to somebody 20 like every few [TS]

00:52:04   months [TS]

00:52:04   is it just me my getting old my feeling [TS]

00:52:06   is that Hugh Hefner's taste in women has [TS]

00:52:10   become more and more cartoony as he's [TS]

00:52:12   gotten old [TS]

00:52:13   maybe it's his eyesight i think it is [TS]

00:52:15   and I think what he really i think what [TS]

00:52:17   the what they should do is they should [TS]

00:52:18   we wheel in like a giant boob and just [TS]

00:52:24   just just wheel it in to his room every [TS]

00:52:27   night at eleven [TS]

00:52:28   and then people like he could grow pit [TS]

00:52:32   and Paul at it and then it just will the [TS]

00:52:35   boob out and he's laying in bed like all [TS]

00:52:37   covered in perspiration like oh honey [TS]

00:52:42   but you know he's a pretty wealthy guy [TS]

00:52:46   so maybe they can have different boobs [TS]

00:52:48   so he could have he could be polyamorous [TS]

00:52:50   with this fake boobs so you can have [TS]

00:52:52   different ones come in maybe he could [TS]

00:52:54   have you know maybe a b-cup tonight i'll [TS]

00:52:56   be looking by plenty of course is a row [TS]

00:52:58   Leanne would be like the size of a [TS]

00:53:00   hassock or or like a foreign car like [TS]

00:53:02   how big would be I think it would be I [TS]

00:53:05   think it would be dealing with this [TS]

00:53:07   fuckable feet [TS]

00:53:08   do you remember the monster in the the [TS]

00:53:10   the the Queen alien in starship troopers [TS]

00:53:15   i have i don't think i did but i can [TS]

00:53:18   look at remember starship troopers when [TS]

00:53:19   was that we get that girl with the [TS]

00:53:21   eyebrows [TS]

00:53:22   oh maybe it's with its 14 Doogie Howser [TS]

00:53:25   puts his hand on the thing and he says [TS]

00:53:26   it's afraid it's a big it's a big bug i [TS]

00:53:30   think that's about the size of the boob [TS]

00:53:32   that you have nervous should should [TS]

00:53:35   maybe ride to balance this is the [TS]

00:53:36   problem with porn and its really one of [TS]

00:53:38   the only problems with porn is is that [TS]

00:53:40   is that I think a couple things happen i [TS]

00:53:43   think i think one thing is that [TS]

00:53:45   familiarity breeds porn contempt which [TS]

00:53:47   is that you that first of all like one [TS]

00:53:50   no matter how much porn you've got you [TS]

00:53:51   always want more and then in time you [TS]

00:53:55   wanted to get more fucked up and so the [TS]

00:53:58   thing is like he might start out for [TS]

00:54:00   example with like hey look at me i'm [TS]

00:54:02   hugh hefner i have a built to scale like [TS]

00:54:05   what like 1281 colon eight sighs booby [TS]

00:54:08   but then maybe sometimes he wants like a [TS]

00:54:11   128 man booby or something i'm just [TS]

00:54:14   saying I'm just saying this is the [TS]

00:54:15   problem and I don't get into the dead [TS]

00:54:17   rubber girl thing but you know I I i bet [TS]

00:54:20   once you've got one rubber girl you want [TS]

00:54:22   to get to and then you want to get for [TS]

00:54:23   so you can have a tea party [TS]

00:54:25   alright i imagine he spent all that [TS]

00:54:27   money on a dead rubber girl and then you [TS]

00:54:31   got bored of her its what exactly you're [TS]

00:54:34   like oh this rubber girl is just doesn't [TS]

00:54:37   do it for me anymore i spent money [TS]

00:54:39   got some very costly things that I got [TS]

00:54:40   bored with very quickly [TS]

00:54:43   yeah but that's you know that's that's a [TS]

00:54:45   bet that's a big investment i have a [TS]

00:54:47   whole drawer of digital cameras that [TS]

00:54:50   that I that I don't use my hand okay [TS]

00:54:54   that's a terrific example ok like the [TS]

00:54:55   first digital camera i bought was in [TS]

00:54:57   1999 and it was a sub i think it was [TS]

00:55:01   less than 1 megapixel I mean I look at [TS]

00:55:03   him now I thought I I thought it was [TS]

00:55:04   revolutionary at the time you put your [TS]

00:55:06   card in you put the batteries in and [TS]

00:55:08   you're taking pictures and you put it on [TS]

00:55:09   your pc [TS]

00:55:10   wow this is really amazing but it was [TS]

00:55:13   very costly for the time and now those [TS]

00:55:15   pictures look ridiculous [TS]

00:55:17   yeah they're so like they're so noisy [TS]

00:55:20   and like and streaky looking [TS]

00:55:22   yeah it's noisy streaks each time one of [TS]

00:55:25   these new ding guy come out like you [TS]

00:55:27   think it's going to be a revolution and [TS]

00:55:29   kind of his fall guy from the Latin I [TS]

00:55:33   don't know why you know Hugh Hefner has [TS]

00:55:36   a son uh you haven't had a lot of kids I [TS]

00:55:40   guess but as you would expect by a lot [TS]

00:55:42   fewer kids that you might think but just [TS]

00:55:46   I just I have this feeling that he just [TS]

00:55:47   has never had a lot of sex [TS]

00:55:49   well seems like he's overcompensating on [TS]

00:55:51   such another level [TS]

00:55:53   yeah I think he's I think i'm gonna go [TS]

00:55:55   out on a limb here and say that you [TS]

00:55:56   haven't had a lot of sex but that it [TS]

00:55:58   that none of it I don't think qualifies [TS]

00:56:00   as good sex as i as i see it but you [TS]

00:56:04   don't think he can place your lady i do [TS]

00:56:07   not think i don't think so either [TS]

00:56:09   I think that he exists to be pleasured [TS]

00:56:11   and that's probably been true since the [TS]

00:56:14   start I mean look at him [TS]

00:56:16   yeah and imagine being a lady and [TS]

00:56:19   imagine here comes even a young Hugh [TS]

00:56:21   Hefner he comes he's coming in at upon [TS]

00:56:23   you and your lady pretty lady here comes [TS]

00:56:26   you [TS]

00:56:27   yeah yeah skinny and he's a serious guy [TS]

00:56:32   he's not that weird hair and there's a [TS]

00:56:34   little intelligence and eatin pussy like [TS]

00:56:36   he's finishing some flan [TS]

00:56:38   I don't you think but he's got this kid [TS]

00:56:40   he's got this young kid who's his heir [TS]

00:56:42   apparent his son this is the Playboy [TS]

00:56:46   Prince he is the Playboy Prince is this [TS]

00:56:49   kid is named Cooper Hefner that's [TS]

00:56:52   terrible name and he was born in like uh [TS]

00:56:57   III don't even know I I don't want to [TS]

00:57:01   look it up on the internet but he was [TS]

00:57:02   born recently he's like 20 he's like in [TS]

00:57:05   his early 20s you have no son now he and [TS]

00:57:10   his father is grooming him at as he has [TS]

00:57:14   groomed so many ladies who to take over [TS]

00:57:17   the Playboy Enterprises well now you [TS]

00:57:21   picture this kid at 22 years old [TS]

00:57:23   the first question using making anyone [TS]

00:57:25   who is born he's born in 91 so how old [TS]

00:57:28   does that make him think you're right [TS]

00:57:29   and 20 22 when did Cooper Hefner when [TS]

00:57:34   and how did Cooper have never lose his [TS]

00:57:36   virginity [TS]

00:57:38   it was probably not it was probably not [TS]

00:57:42   in the backseat of his of a Corvair [TS]

00:57:45   parked at lookout point it was probably [TS]

00:57:49   not putting an American Graffiti it was [TS]

00:57:52   probably not a girl was probably not [TS]

00:57:54   with a girl by the bandstand with a girl [TS]

00:57:57   that he goes to high school with i have [TS]

00:58:00   had not at the World's Fair was probably [TS]

00:58:03   not under the boardwalk out by the sea [TS]

00:58:06   it was undoubtedly at some point on like [TS]

00:58:10   a round bed or in a grotto and because [TS]

00:58:14   he was initiated into the into this [TS]

00:58:17   world but in some kind of grotesquerie [TS]

00:58:21   where a half a dozen you know playmates [TS]

00:58:25   were sort of like teehee do you think [TS]

00:58:30   his father might it might have [TS]

00:58:31   dispatched them some kind of initial in [TS]

00:58:34   the true sense of the word a an ordeal [TS]

00:58:36   like a sexual ordeal like he was a trial [TS]

00:58:38   by vaginal fire [TS]

00:58:40   absolutely i cannot imagine it happened [TS]

00:58:42   to the other way and i could not even [TS]

00:58:43   surprised too [TS]

00:58:44   maybe maybe put a bathroom over his head [TS]

00:58:46   and dragged him into a limo [TS]

00:58:47   he was probably was probably we're going [TS]

00:58:50   it probably in a bed ship like a car [TS]

00:58:53   inside of the crop it was probably 10 [TS]

00:58:57   years old by Skaggs playing [TS]

00:59:01   I cannot imagine that happened to him at [TS]

00:59:03   an age that was not premature [TS]

00:59:06   mhm at because because i think that it [TS]

00:59:09   would you know like your Hugh Hefner son [TS]

00:59:11   like when is this going and your mother [TS]

00:59:13   is a playmate [TS]

00:59:14   ah when is this gonna go down it's like [TS]

00:59:16   the poet says all fallen leaves should [TS]

00:59:18   curse their branches so he's got to go [TS]

00:59:20   out there and it's just like your buddy [TS]

00:59:21   having to drive around with the fucking [TS]

00:59:23   Clydesdales to go to the prom [TS]

00:59:25   he just picked the Clydesdales it was an [TS]

00:59:27   heiser Bush dad not to work ping-pong [TS]

00:59:29   that makes it makes him get it behind [TS]

00:59:31   some copy horses and all those North [TS]

00:59:33   one-third this guy did not get to pick [TS]

00:59:35   to to be Cooper fella probably did not [TS]

00:59:38   get to pick the way he wanted his uh [TS]

00:59:40   fallen leaf to fall right so when he [TS]

00:59:42   wanted to fall at all [TS]

00:59:43   he's 22 years old the fan how many sexes [TS]

00:59:47   has he had with a hooded playmates [TS]

00:59:52   probably exclusively just doesn't seem [TS]

00:59:55   unprofessional [TS]

00:59:56   well double here's the things like you [TS]

00:59:58   could use that like okay [TS]

00:59:58   could use that like okay [TS]

01:00:00   here's the thing i think we get blinded [TS]

01:00:01   by playboy i think i'm not being [TS]

01:00:03   anti-porn I'm all about the porn [TS]

01:00:05   I'm just saying that like any other [TS]

01:00:07   industry like just because you had a [TS]

01:00:09   xerox copier dealership doesn't mean [TS]

01:00:11   your son have to fuck on a piece of [TS]

01:00:13   glass right but in this case and you [TS]

01:00:15   certainly wouldn't have the lady which [TS]

01:00:16   is the phones come over and digital is [TS]

01:00:18   copy you know [TS]

01:00:19   yeah in this case though you're saying [TS]

01:00:21   so it seems to me that you're saying [TS]

01:00:22   that this is it is a depraved underworld [TS]

01:00:26   of forced sexual sexuality and you might [TS]

01:00:29   you might end up putting your son a [TS]

01:00:31   grotto whether he's into it or not and [TS]

01:00:32   how many times since I cannot imagine [TS]

01:00:35   that Hugh Hefner has not rationalized [TS]

01:00:39   his position in life to such an extent [TS]

01:00:41   that he believes that that sex with [TS]

01:00:46   multiple beautiful girls is not his [TS]

01:00:50   son's birth right versus parade and that [TS]

01:00:54   had that at a certain point probably [TS]

01:00:58   pretty early on he was like let's get [TS]

01:01:01   let's get the show on the road [TS]

01:01:03   let's get this let's get this happen [TS]

01:01:05   because i told you the story about my [TS]

01:01:06   dad coming back from his trip to China [TS]

01:01:09   and saying I one of the people on the [TS]

01:01:13   trip to China but one of the people of [TS]

01:01:15   the trip spider was a madam and I you [TS]

01:01:21   know and i was looking down at by [TS]

01:01:22   looking down at my book pretending not [TS]

01:01:25   to hear he's like and she runs a UH a [TS]

01:01:30   massage parlor and I was like let's let [TS]

01:01:34   me guess h-he said anytime you want to [TS]

01:01:38   go over there she said I should just [TS]

01:01:39   bring you over [TS]

01:01:40   he really said that yeah and I was 15 16 [TS]

01:01:44   and now i'm really staring at my book [TS]

01:01:47   but something is my dad doesn't my dad [TS]

01:01:49   born in nineteen twenty-one he doesn't [TS]

01:01:51   know how to do this he doesn't know how [TS]

01:01:53   to teach your kids about about sex and [TS]

01:01:56   he's sense but but he also doesn't know [TS]

01:01:58   how he doesn't want to do it right but [TS]

01:02:00   you have norway which is to be like [TS]

01:02:03   let's go to the hardware store then [TS]

01:02:06   we pull into the parking lot of a place [TS]

01:02:09   called you know Sally's a oriental [TS]

01:02:11   massage eight and I'm like what we doing [TS]

01:02:14   here and you're my dad and I would my [TS]

01:02:16   dad and I went to a lot stranger places [TS]

01:02:17   than that together he had pulled into [TS]

01:02:19   the drive that the gravel driveway of [TS]

01:02:21   this place and said yeah I come with me [TS]

01:02:23   and we've got inside going to portland [TS]

01:02:26   to get a thing and their wood and [TS]

01:02:27   there's like a you know 11 girls in in [TS]

01:02:31   lacey undergarments and he would you [TS]

01:02:34   know and then some madam who I assume is [TS]

01:02:37   wearing like a silk Chinese one of those [TS]

01:02:41   one of those things [TS]

01:02:43   Xinhua Zuri Jamie's right ash in [TS]

01:02:46   waterbury samiksha keys and he would [TS]

01:02:49   just be like alright could go get them [TS]

01:02:51   and I would have been like what no and [TS]

01:02:55   the door would slam and I you know it'd [TS]

01:02:56   be like a scene out of a movie but no my [TS]

01:02:58   dad his version of it was well I anytime [TS]

01:03:00   you want to go by there let me know he's [TS]

01:03:02   just leave it out there just leave it [TS]

01:03:04   out there sexy is like sending your kids [TS]

01:03:05   to kumon like I could try to I could try [TS]

01:03:07   to teach you the new math but I'd rather [TS]

01:03:09   send you somewhere else where somebody [TS]

01:03:11   in addition geez could teach you you [TS]

01:03:13   know uh you know like maybe some kind of [TS]

01:03:15   violin method or something [TS]

01:03:16   it's easier for him and it's more [TS]

01:03:18   pleasurable for you is what he's [TS]

01:03:19   thinking but anger does not that big of [TS]

01:03:22   a town and every time we drove by this [TS]

01:03:24   place for the next 10 years i was [TS]

01:03:29   studying my fingernails [TS]

01:03:31   you know I'm like oh geez don't bring a [TS]

01:03:33   dog / the vet's office just don't don't [TS]

01:03:35   bring it up the love of Christ don't [TS]

01:03:37   bring it up and you know and he would [TS]

01:03:39   everyone so hard is that place with that [TS]

01:03:41   girl and it's like no ineffective i [TS]

01:03:44   would rather have been dragged out of my [TS]

01:03:47   little racing car shaped bed at the age [TS]

01:03:49   of 10 and thrown into a snake pit of [TS]

01:03:52   playmates [TS]

01:03:54   I mean at least then it would be done [TS]

01:03:57   it's like is like the tooth in the [TS]

01:03:59   doorknob [TS]

01:04:00   it's like it's like the tooth in the [TS]

01:04:03   doorknob oh you know when you gotta get [TS]

01:04:05   a loose tooth [TS]

01:04:05   you don't see is never happen to me I [TS]

01:04:07   lived in fear after me something [TS]

01:04:10   the doorknob on Nick title they tied my [TS]

01:04:12   loose tooth to a doorknob and fuck is [TS]

01:04:14   going on with your family [TS]

01:04:16   i'm telling you i was i was basically [TS]

01:04:17   raised by Victoria [TS]

01:04:19   I thought it was your mom she has no [TS]

01:04:21   teeth fear it was my mom was my mom she [TS]

01:04:24   tied my tooth to add or not [TS]

01:04:26   Oh doctor yeah that must hurt like hell [TS]

01:04:31   and the fillory la ah but you know there [TS]

01:04:34   was a lot there was a lot of you know [TS]

01:04:36   and the thing is now that the more i [TS]

01:04:37   think about it i do want to fucking [TS]

01:04:39   parade for contemporary it [TS]

01:04:44   um let me ask you this [TS]

01:04:48   I think we're good there but let me ask [TS]

01:04:49   me ask you this is Cooper happier [TS]

01:04:55   barring that way if he turned out to be [TS]

01:04:58   a fucking desperate creepy horn dog and [TS]

01:05:00   I'm looking right now i am an assistant [TS]

01:05:02   that Stanley I'm looking at hugh [TS]

01:05:04   hefner's wikipedia picture which is [TS]

01:05:06   extremely detailed and he's wearing a [TS]

01:05:08   captain's hat is a captain it's one of [TS]

01:05:11   those you're not really the captain but [TS]

01:05:12   you just got a hat with that it's like a [TS]

01:05:14   Thurston Howell the third exactly [TS]

01:05:16   uh-huh it'sit'sit's baseless insignia [TS]

01:05:19   way college scrambled eggs [TS]

01:05:20   you know that's not scrambled eggs [TS]

01:05:22   that's like insignia that's like two [TS]

01:05:24   anchors to cross tankers and a life [TS]

01:05:26   preserver exactly it [TS]

01:05:28   yeah okay so mm it's cooper born that [TS]

01:05:32   way [TS]

01:05:32   like can we if he goes out and he says [TS]

01:05:34   the parade that I want is on a round bed [TS]

01:05:37   in a grotto with a lot of girls who had [TS]

01:05:39   surgery do we get to go boo Cooper well [TS]

01:05:43   I mean this is this one that way John he [TS]

01:05:45   was but he came by it honestly if you [TS]

01:05:47   know what I mean this is the question [TS]

01:05:49   like like and-and-and-and-and the [TS]

01:05:51   problem the problem with the argument [TS]

01:05:53   that were the problem with it with the [TS]

01:05:55   conversation that we're having is that [TS]

01:05:57   it is that it too is too close to that [TS]

01:06:00   Republican argument that if you allow [TS]

01:06:02   gay marriage then people are going to be [TS]

01:06:04   having sex with their dogs had that [TS]

01:06:05   conversation I've had an actual [TS]

01:06:07   conversation with a grown woman [TS]

01:06:08   yeah and people want people on that side [TS]

01:06:11   of the equation are not smart enough to [TS]

01:06:13   raise their argument better than that [TS]

01:06:15   and people on our side of the equation [TS]

01:06:17   are so conditioned to hearing that kind [TS]

01:06:21   of talk that any that any suggestion [TS]

01:06:25   that we say now wait a minute let's talk [TS]

01:06:28   about this let's talk about what this [TS]

01:06:29   really means it smacks too [TS]

01:06:32   them of of of this kind of bigotry up [TS]

01:06:36   but you know the the reality is what [TS]

01:06:39   keeps horndogs what keeps creeps from [TS]

01:06:43   saying i was born this way I i am a i'm [TS]

01:06:48   person who gropes girls at rock concerts [TS]

01:06:50   I i own a restaurant and I like I have a [TS]

01:06:55   camera that takes photos of women [TS]

01:06:57   pooping [TS]

01:06:58   yes the culinary ism a shark barriers [TS]

01:07:02   there you have to admire Chuck Berry [TS]

01:07:04   first of all because I think he did a [TS]

01:07:06   lot with the 12-bar blues that was [TS]

01:07:08   really revolutionary invented a certain [TS]

01:07:11   kind of Bend on the fifth that changed [TS]

01:07:13   everything and I think he has gotten [TS]

01:07:15   freaky in more different fucked up ways [TS]

01:07:18   than a lot of people have you how could [TS]

01:07:20   you you know you go to jail for little [TS]

01:07:22   kids but then you're also going to poop [TS]

01:07:24   he's point talking about a polyamorous [TS]

01:07:26   polymath well and the the thing is that [TS]

01:07:31   somebody somebody we it's very clear [TS]

01:07:34   where we draw the line on something like [TS]

01:07:35   that [TS]

01:07:35   it's ok of truck berries into poop but [TS]

01:07:38   it's not okay to take pictures of people [TS]

01:07:40   without their consent like that is a [TS]

01:07:43   clear line of privacy issue [TS]

01:07:45   yeah that is that that's a light in the [TS]

01:07:46   law was like you without consent [TS]

01:07:49   you cannot it's illegal if you want to [TS]

01:07:54   go but if Chuck Barry wants to spend his [TS]

01:07:56   money to hire people to pretend to be [TS]

01:07:59   pooping in a toilet without you know [TS]

01:08:01   without and and take pictures of them [TS]

01:08:04   that's fine there is a place in Las [TS]

01:08:06   Vegas you can do that [TS]

01:08:07   poopy lacrim yes a poopy lacrim but you [TS]

01:08:10   can't just go take pictures of people [TS]

01:08:11   without their consent that right but you [TS]

01:08:14   know this is again the the age of [TS]

01:08:16   consent question where there are some [TS]

01:08:20   people ronski Pete Eckhart date it [TS]

01:08:22   really is set and the whole you know the [TS]

01:08:26   back cover of that album [TS]

01:08:28   yeah was the if you go look at that boat [TS]

01:08:31   ride know that well there may be but [TS]

01:08:34   sheriff edge on the cover of that [TS]

01:08:36   Bronski beat album is the legal age of [TS]

01:08:38   consent for for sex in every country of [TS]

01:08:43   the world [TS]

01:08:44   like written on the back of the album [TS]

01:08:46   who's got the lowest one [TS]

01:08:48   well I mean just for Pete Townsend I [TS]

01:08:51   imagine there are some that have no [TS]

01:08:52   lowest age of consent because it's not [TS]

01:08:55   because culturally like if you are [TS]

01:08:57   marrying an eight-year-old girl to 35 [TS]

01:09:00   year old man like to make the [TS]

01:09:02   distinction that but but listen below [TS]

01:09:05   eight years old so that's awesome really [TS]

01:09:07   see it's really terrible i'm not muster [TS]

01:09:09   at seven years old come on was out of [TS]

01:09:11   your base are seeing a Gary Glitter just [TS]

01:09:13   booked the wrong flight [TS]

01:09:14   yeah right he could have gone somewhere [TS]

01:09:17   that would have been like super bowl [TS]

01:09:18   well potentially although all those [TS]

01:09:21   marriages are all bound up in like you [TS]

01:09:23   know the arranged marriages where your [TS]

01:09:26   where they're paying off debts to people [TS]

01:09:28   like the they marry their eight-year-old [TS]

01:09:30   to the landlord in order to forgive [TS]

01:09:32   their mortgage payment or but then there [TS]

01:09:35   was born that way John but but did the [TS]

01:09:39   arbiter but the fact that even in the [TS]

01:09:40   evenin the 50 united states there are [TS]

01:09:43   major variations you know there's there [TS]

01:09:45   there's a tremendous gulf between the [TS]

01:09:48   lowest age of consent in the highest age [TS]

01:09:50   of consent in American States suggest [TS]

01:09:53   that we don't have a clear picture what [TS]

01:09:55   consent looks like enough that people [TS]

01:09:58   are going to prison you know you you've [TS]

01:10:01   got you listen to the poor poor [TS]

01:10:04   defenseless pederasts who are who really [TS]

01:10:07   characterize themselves as like victims [TS]

01:10:09   in the hole in the whole affair and like [TS]

01:10:12   all this temptress this twelve-year-old [TS]

01:10:15   temptress lolita she was the lowliness [TS]

01:10:17   top floor is that book is one of the [TS]

01:10:22   great American novels can't only it's [TS]

01:10:25   only really kind of you know diddling is [TS]

01:10:28   the MacGuffin that's about a lot more [TS]

01:10:30   than a young girl filling is the [TS]

01:10:32   MacGuffin mhm mhm [TS]

01:10:37   you can feel them with your [TS]

01:10:39   don't even get me started on you deck [TS]

01:10:42   ah-choo Genesis [TS]