Roderick on the Line

Ep. 71: "Everybody Has a Hamburger"


00:00:00   hello a jack a line Maryland ask going [TS]

00:00:09   pretty good how are you go but don't get [TS]

00:00:12   that's good that's really early i just [TS]

00:00:19   thought i'd say that so that we would [TS]

00:00:22   feel some the soulja take us back to the [TS]

00:00:25   old days the old days when it was early [TS]

00:00:28   instead of like at night which is what [TS]

00:00:30   we're doing now i think was adjusted [TS]

00:00:32   well how do you feel it's different [TS]

00:00:36   hmm well but you know we've not that it [TS]

00:00:40   matters but we know we received some [TS]

00:00:41   plot it's from people seem to enjoy the [TS]

00:00:45   later recording time I think it's pretty [TS]

00:00:48   good on our fans but we don't care about [TS]

00:00:50   their praise that's the supertrain [TS]

00:00:52   talking I care [TS]

00:00:56   yeah I know you care for your gentle [TS]

00:00:59   your soft I don't know about that yeah [TS]

00:01:02   you're right [TS]

00:01:03   yeah yeah yeah yeah I had kind of a [TS]

00:01:07   heavy meal [TS]

00:01:08   oh you did you know what I just did let [TS]

00:01:11   go into the taco bus but it but I didn't [TS]

00:01:16   have enough time to eat [TS]

00:01:17   sounds dirty it is dirty or el taco bus [TS]

00:01:21   as i call it because i'm sure a polyglot [TS]

00:01:24   i am and i'm out sort of an [TS]

00:01:26   internationalist low slow Stocco bus and [TS]

00:01:31   i went there but I didn't have enough [TS]

00:01:32   time beat so there's there's talk of us [TS]

00:01:34   food downstairs and it's in it's a it's [TS]

00:01:38   it's my prize it's my prize that's [TS]

00:01:40   waiting for me [TS]

00:01:41   what's terrible is still hot doesn't [TS]

00:01:43   matter i'll come on [TS]

00:01:45   no it doesn't matter because Merlin I [TS]

00:01:46   like food that is room temperature [TS]

00:01:50   huh is that like a Chinese energy thing [TS]

00:01:53   I mean you know well a little [TS]

00:01:55   well no do you mean like is Mike and [TS]

00:01:57   drinks like you know I I you know [TS]

00:01:59   working on but I think you're not [TS]

00:02:01   supposed to drink at anything while [TS]

00:02:03   you're eating but especially you can't [TS]

00:02:05   drink cold stuff when you're pregnant [TS]

00:02:07   because of functions way i see i gotta [TS]

00:02:10   look that up that it just general [TS]

00:02:13   cheese are aligned with your other [TS]

00:02:14   cheese is some you know they don't have [TS]

00:02:17   a lot of cheese in Chinese food [TS]

00:02:19   uh oh god I hate myself up you know what [TS]

00:02:26   that was pretty good i believe in and [TS]

00:02:28   allow it sorry Billy Graham limp I'm [TS]

00:02:31   limping now here's my question now [TS]

00:02:34   so you like room temperature foods that [TS]

00:02:35   go both ways do you like do you like you [TS]

00:02:37   like yogurt to come to room temperature [TS]

00:02:39   and you like your beef you know to get [TS]

00:02:41   the you know get too comfortable 70 [TS]

00:02:44   degrees [TS]

00:02:45   yeah kind of I mean of you I'll put it [TS]

00:02:48   this way i do not object to to any food [TS]

00:02:52   that is either cooled or warmed up from [TS]

00:02:56   its from its initial serving temperature [TS]

00:02:58   huh to closer than room temperature and [TS]

00:03:00   some people find it repulsive that i [TS]

00:03:02   will eat a lot of for instance open a [TS]

00:03:04   can of food and just eat it out of the [TS]

00:03:06   can [TS]

00:03:07   I've been affronted by that yeah and a [TS]

00:03:09   lot of people are there like that is [TS]

00:03:11   that's disgusting them like what what do [TS]

00:03:13   you think he is doing to it [TS]

00:03:16   hey you guys okay it's always have you [TS]

00:03:19   guys always have a reason I you know [TS]

00:03:21   what is this guy who's this guy's i have [TS]

00:03:24   had a couple i think i've had a couple [TS]

00:03:27   being eaters like you that I that I have [TS]

00:03:31   been acquainted one of my one of my very [TS]

00:03:35   good friends in high school [TS]

00:03:36   first of all would eat pretty much [TS]

00:03:37   anything and you can eat it in almost [TS]

00:03:40   any state [TS]

00:03:41   yeah and I think I don't know that to me [TS]

00:03:43   there's three parts to it there's the [TS]

00:03:45   first part which is the eating it out of [TS]

00:03:48   the original container what it really [TS]

00:03:50   says bachelor for life anything up and [TS]

00:03:54   then there is the get it matter i mean [TS]

00:03:56   does that does that do if you get [TS]

00:03:58   takeout you want you like to decamp it i [TS]

00:04:01   am notorious in my household for liking [TS]

00:04:03   piping hot food right now I'm not not [TS]

00:04:06   not not i mean my mind my sister-in-law [TS]

00:04:09   your head dunkin donuts coffee course [TS]

00:04:12   it's pretty good coffee and they're kind [TS]

00:04:14   of famous for how scalding-hot their [TS]

00:04:16   coffee is and its really you know it's [TS]

00:04:19   really i mean i'm not to say anything [TS]

00:04:20   because you know my family or island [TS]

00:04:22   well you know Papa stage if I say [TS]

00:04:24   anything but it's good it's not like the [TS]

00:04:25   best coffee I've ever had [TS]

00:04:26   she has the microchip is it super hot [TS]

00:04:29   though because you're supposed to you [TS]

00:04:31   know you're going to be on like a [TS]

00:04:31   four-hour stakeout [TS]

00:04:33   oh yeah everybody doing was a cop but [TS]

00:04:36   then she has the microwave it to make it [TS]

00:04:39   hotter [TS]

00:04:40   yes can you imagine microwaving dunkin [TS]

00:04:43   donuts coffee will you [TS]

00:04:46   you know you know the whole story about [TS]

00:04:48   the exploding hot-water heaters [TS]

00:04:51   I don't think I know that all started [TS]

00:04:53   the old story see any hot water heaters [TS]

00:04:57   don't explode anymore because they have [TS]

00:04:58   like 17 layers of failsafe valves and [TS]

00:05:03   vents and stuff to keep this from [TS]

00:05:04   happening [TS]

00:05:05   ok this is something i learned that they [TS]

00:05:06   say it's like it's like a big slightly [TS]

00:05:09   sophisticated teakettle historic city [TS]

00:05:11   channel it's a sealed teakettle and if [TS]

00:05:13   you're if you don't have if you don't [TS]

00:05:15   have like shut off valves for the for [TS]

00:05:18   the heating element and also steam vents [TS]

00:05:21   for the steaming elements what happens [TS]

00:05:23   in a hot water heater if especially one [TS]

00:05:25   that's like two-thirds full the this the [TS]

00:05:28   the water gets hotter and hotter and [TS]

00:05:29   hotter but it can't boil because as it [TS]

00:05:31   gets hotter and also the pressure [TS]

00:05:33   increases and the pressure increases and [TS]

00:05:35   pressure increases in the water gets [TS]

00:05:37   hotter and hotter without boiling and [TS]

00:05:40   then finally the pressure gets so great [TS]

00:05:41   that the hot water heater explodes and [TS]

00:05:44   the second that there's an opening all [TS]

00:05:47   like 80 gallons of water turns to steam [TS]

00:05:51   instantly and how water you can blow up [TS]

00:05:55   your house how guys like flash flash [TS]

00:05:58   explosion of like instant steam and all [TS]

00:06:02   that pressure can like you can flatten [TS]

00:06:04   your home now when today as an industry [TS]

00:06:07   fix that they fixed it i think after the [TS]

00:06:10   great water the great hot water heater [TS]

00:06:14   explosion epidemic team of the nineteen [TS]

00:06:17   thirties but we're all those people were [TS]

00:06:19   killed at work because they were they [TS]

00:06:21   were sealing the fire exits [TS]

00:06:23   all right there the Triangle Shirtwaist [TS]

00:06:25   water heater and thread the internship [TS]

00:06:29   with water heater incidents voices easy [TS]

00:06:31   the second part [TS]

00:06:33   the second part is the room temperature [TS]

00:06:34   part yeah i loved Gillard's playing on [TS]

00:06:37   that guy's solid heat heat you don't [TS]

00:06:39   know who they are [TS]

00:06:40   never he never listened to them you [TS]

00:06:43   never thought to an entire gotta be with [TS]

00:06:45   someone in your life but I happen to be [TS]

00:06:46   friends with the killers [TS]

00:06:47   well I never signed you is wife on [TS]

00:06:50   livejournal blender [TS]

00:06:53   tell me more remember he chides journal [TS]

00:06:56   i remember being very mad at livejournal [TS]

00:06:58   because you were on livejournal with a [TS]

00:07:01   bunch of like our love our seat mafia [TS]

00:07:03   bunch of teenage girls who were talking [TS]

00:07:05   about me I it and then i would say well [TS]

00:07:09   what are they saying and nobody would [TS]

00:07:10   tell me more they will say things old [TS]

00:07:12   they would go with the secret code you [TS]

00:07:14   could and if you weren't on there then [TS]

00:07:15   you didn't get to know ya they're [TS]

00:07:17   talking about me I should know nobody [TS]

00:07:20   would say nobody would say was a series [TS]

00:07:21   of private handjob booths you know and [TS]

00:07:24   we know it's what happens in the booth [TS]

00:07:26   hmm the second part is the room [TS]

00:07:28   temperature so it's it's like here's the [TS]

00:07:32   thing if you were a hobo with it's a [TS]

00:07:33   little bit of fucking human dignity [TS]

00:07:34   you'd stick and over fire like a [TS]

00:07:36   gentleman [TS]

00:07:37   we're dead and i'm gonna get a minute [TS]

00:07:39   i'm gonna come to a very specific sense [TS]

00:07:41   memory of this and and i think the third [TS]

00:07:43   part is i think if you're the kind of [TS]

00:07:45   person that eats out of a container and [TS]

00:07:46   B has it at room temperature [TS]

00:07:48   you're not here you're not above picking [TS]

00:07:52   up something that might have been open [TS]

00:07:54   and room temperature for a while [TS]

00:07:56   yeah maybe even of an unknown amount of [TS]

00:07:58   time and picking it up this could start [TS]

00:08:01   something as simple as the guy who eats [TS]

00:08:03   the maguro that's been on the table for [TS]

00:08:05   an hour and it could go all the way up [TS]

00:08:07   to my friend who would eat ravioli that [TS]

00:08:09   was almost blew and I don't Miles Davis [TS]

00:08:12   I definitely I definitely have like back [TS]

00:08:16   in my college days would would wake up [TS]

00:08:18   in the morning and it because of my [TS]

00:08:21   because of the position that i was the [TS]

00:08:24   night ended up sleeping in which was [TS]

00:08:25   kinda half on the floor i would have you [TS]

00:08:28   under my bed is your graffiti right [TS]

00:08:30   there a 5-4 have on the floor and then [TS]

00:08:33   I'd be like looking looking at my bed [TS]

00:08:35   and I'd be like oh there's two slices of [TS]

00:08:38   pizza in there and ideas yeah okay pizza [TS]

00:08:41   is here pizza i hope i will give you a [TS]

00:08:44   papal dispensation [TS]

00:08:46   Pizza yeah the thing is a hobos when [TS]

00:08:49   they were cooking those cans of food on [TS]

00:08:51   the fire it was because those were cans [TS]

00:08:53   of raw ground pork [TS]

00:08:55   this was a very popular food during the [TS]

00:08:59   Depression did that happen glenn hey [TS]

00:09:01   glenn hey raw ground pork and you have [TS]

00:09:04   to cook that stuff [TS]

00:09:05   yeah butBut modern food is all cooked [TS]

00:09:07   it's cooked in the it's cooked in the [TS]

00:09:09   King gets its flash-fried or it's a [TS]

00:09:12   that's right yeah it's steamed with [TS]

00:09:15   steamed or boiled and so if i open a can [TS]

00:09:18   of say chef boyardee ravioli oohs thats [TS]

00:09:21   the sense memory at the equator a minute [TS]

00:09:24   oh my god it was getting it was live up [TS]

00:09:27   John if I told you the story it was [TS]

00:09:29   literally chef by 40 or was ready yet [TS]

00:09:31   revealed Julio's yeah that's exactly [TS]

00:09:33   what he ate was almost blew heating them [TS]

00:09:36   up just it just fills the house with the [TS]

00:09:38   smell of a cat that died on top of a [TS]

00:09:40   furnace and what you know it literally [TS]

00:09:42   smells like barf [TS]

00:09:43   it smells like like a dead cat or barf [TS]

00:09:46   who are very similar in smell who he was [TS]

00:09:49   eating real temperature the room [TS]

00:09:50   temperature cat if you don't hit him up [TS]

00:09:53   you don't have that that they don't [TS]

00:09:54   smell like that they just smell like [TS]

00:09:56   mother smell like like to that's a [TS]

00:09:58   really good point did of Brussels [TS]

00:10:00   sprouts if you'd like an apple you're [TS]

00:10:01   good to go [TS]

00:10:02   voilĂ  voilĂ  not i had i had at some [TS]

00:10:06   point I don't remember that block this [TS]

00:10:08   out but at some point I had made some [TS]

00:10:10   canned probably store-brand ravioli in [TS]

00:10:14   my in my in my doorman I don't know why [TS]

00:10:17   would have left any as i remember it was [TS]

00:10:19   a very very small bit that was left in [TS]

00:10:21   there and with a completely straight [TS]

00:10:23   non-ironic non jokey non frat boy non [TS]

00:10:26   hey look at this expression my very good [TS]

00:10:29   friend said are you know the classic I [TS]

00:10:32   gotta get a name for what you guys are [TS]

00:10:34   the classic room temperature just the [TS]

00:10:36   temperature wrists are you gonna eat [TS]

00:10:40   that [TS]

00:10:41   uh-huh and I said no my dear friend i'm [TS]

00:10:44   not going to because that's trash it's [TS]

00:10:46   just that i am a freshman in college and [TS]

00:10:48   I don't throw my trash out and he picked [TS]

00:10:51   up the tensile which memory serves like [TS]

00:10:54   a tablespoon next to it it's a nice to [TS]

00:10:57   see to him that if he wanted to eat the [TS]

00:10:59   he was free to do so listen all of us up [TS]

00:11:06   for most likely to succeed in high [TS]

00:11:07   school Jon it's garbage from the [TS]

00:11:09   beginning if you if we can if we can [TS]

00:11:11   rewind to the pump that's chilly this [TS]

00:11:13   very subtle distinction and then imagine [TS]

00:11:16   imagine that same pumped meet said that [TS]

00:11:22   you had AG that does not even have the [TS]

00:11:25   advantage of chili powder to to [TS]

00:11:27   camouflage it's like essential nature [TS]

00:11:30   and it is being pumped at chef boyardee [TS]

00:11:33   headquarters a multitude because it's [TS]

00:11:36   like it's like bob hoskins in Brazil [TS]

00:11:39   except those tubes are full of of liquid [TS]

00:11:42   meet and they're making little ravioli [TS]

00:11:44   pods like more thing before between like [TS]

00:11:49   why would you cook it again [TS]

00:11:51   so this is really this is really all [TS]

00:11:53   about me and and my ravioli hypocrisy [TS]

00:11:56   so I'm fancy about whether or not you [TS]

00:11:59   should eat it like a fucking bomb [TS]

00:12:01   missing your sexy pants with his stove [TS]

00:12:03   and his microwave just eat the things [TS]

00:12:06   God intended [TS]

00:12:07   you're gonna defecate why would you [TS]

00:12:09   flush yeah and I and I i SAT there like [TS]

00:12:14   slack-jawed as you do and and boy he [TS]

00:12:18   could he could eat anything anytime [TS]

00:12:20   yeah yeah what-what when I was not not [TS]

00:12:24   in college but a little bit after [TS]

00:12:26   college early twenties i had a static [TS]

00:12:28   three of three bedroom apartment with a [TS]

00:12:30   couple of guys and our kitchen had so [TS]

00:12:33   many flies in it over but somehow had so [TS]

00:12:36   many flies in it that no one ever went [TS]

00:12:38   in there again has a certain point we [TS]

00:12:41   have to get a student lounge like that [TS]

00:12:43   it basically became a place of the TV [TS]

00:12:45   that you run into four star trek and [TS]

00:12:47   then dash back out but we would not even [TS]

00:12:49   cross the threshold but somehow the [TS]

00:12:51   Flies remained there was no door on the [TS]

00:12:54   kitchen but they remained in that area [TS]

00:12:56   because that is where that was that is [TS]

00:12:59   where they were born that is where they [TS]

00:13:00   fell in love that is where they they [TS]

00:13:02   died their whole culture was there but [TS]

00:13:05   they never came through the door into [TS]

00:13:06   the rest of the house also because there [TS]

00:13:08   was probably an impenetrable wall pot [TS]

00:13:11   smoke [TS]

00:13:11   and so we had we had kind of de tot we [TS]

00:13:15   lived in this room and they lived in the [TS]

00:13:18   kitchen and we never went in window I I [TS]

00:13:20   never went in that kitchen again i lived [TS]

00:13:22   in three years that was your Munich [TS]

00:13:23   that's right is he said look we need we [TS]

00:13:27   need to reach some kind of a you know [TS]

00:13:30   and have a centerpiece [TS]

00:13:32   yeah you can have the Sudetenland which [TS]

00:13:35   is our kitchen we will have and you want [TS]

00:13:38   to have time he walked out holding up a [TS]

00:13:40   piece of paper saying peace in our time [TS]

00:13:42   is dinner time and then you know the you [TS]

00:13:45   did you read the umbrella story the [TS]

00:13:47   other day I don't think that'll i know i [TS]

00:13:49   don't think i saw that i read about two [TS]

00:13:50   and curry but have only have read about [TS]

00:13:52   the umbrella tell me the umbrella story [TS]

00:13:55   so you know about the you know about the [TS]

00:13:57   guy with the umbrella on the grassy [TS]

00:13:58   knoll [TS]

00:13:59   oh it this is the faint I know about the [TS]

00:14:03   grassy no I don't think you know about [TS]

00:14:04   the umbrella so right at the moment the [TS]

00:14:07   kennedy was assassinated as he is [TS]

00:14:10   driving past the grassy knoll in dallas [TS]

00:14:12   visible on the Zapruder film and other [TS]

00:14:15   love Zapruder film I could watch that [TS]

00:14:17   all day [TS]

00:14:19   there is a man standing right at the [TS]

00:14:21   point of impact when the first bullet [TS]

00:14:24   hits Kennedy standing with an open [TS]

00:14:26   umbrella and it has law it has long been [TS]

00:14:31   I mean it was one of the major sort of [TS]

00:14:35   like what the fuck's it's a beautiful [TS]

00:14:39   sunny November day sunny day and this [TS]

00:14:42   guy's standing right at that exact spot [TS]

00:14:46   with outstanding under an open umbrella [TS]

00:14:49   parasol don't know the full full on [TS]

00:14:53   black umbrella and so this was a this [TS]

00:14:56   was a thing that kind of made the rounds [TS]

00:14:57   last week the all the conspiracy [TS]

00:15:01   theorist of course said this bizarreness [TS]

00:15:04   not even conspiracy there's any normal [TS]

00:15:06   thinking person would say this [TS]

00:15:09   bizarreness must be connected the man [TS]

00:15:12   with the umbrella has to somehow be [TS]

00:15:15   significant in this in in this moment [TS]

00:15:19   this like historical moment and the [TS]

00:15:23   that and I am forgetting the names of [TS]

00:15:25   both the the the man who investigated it [TS]

00:15:28   and the man who made the documentary [TS]

00:15:30   film about him [TS]

00:15:31   so this is useless well I'm uh what is [TS]

00:15:36   the Warren Commission no no this is this [TS]

00:15:38   is a who is the guy that arrow Morris [TS]

00:15:40   the field ok errol morris and who was [TS]

00:15:43   that the guy that made the film about [TS]

00:15:44   the the about the McNamara Earl Warren [TS]

00:15:48   out no women McNamara is errol morris [TS]

00:15:50   and that is the camera that talks to you [TS]

00:15:53   right right so he is making a film about [TS]

00:15:56   this guy [TS]

00:15:57   Oh Errol Morris is a very interesting [TS]

00:15:59   guy well anyway though no because he's [TS]

00:16:02   very into this idea i'm sorry to [TS]

00:16:04   interrupt you but he has a whole famous [TS]

00:16:06   essay that we should come back to about [TS]

00:16:09   one photograph of the that road with [TS]

00:16:11   cannonball dents in it and the [TS]

00:16:13   authenticity of it he's very I think [TS]

00:16:14   he's a person is obviously he's a guy [TS]

00:16:16   who's always searching for like the [TS]

00:16:17   unexpected truth behind the unexpected [TS]

00:16:20   truth so you're saying he's making a [TS]

00:16:21   movie about the umbrella kyar about [TS]

00:16:23   about the know so he's interviewing a [TS]

00:16:25   guy who went to great lengths to find [TS]

00:16:26   the umbrella God and the umbrella guy [TS]

00:16:30   actually came forward and testified [TS]

00:16:32   before congress at the end of the [TS]

00:16:33   seventies and his story was PS i am the [TS]

00:16:37   umbrella guy yes I stood there with my [TS]

00:16:39   open umbrella and my open umbrella that [TS]

00:16:43   day was a protest against not John F [TS]

00:16:49   Kennedy but it was a reference to [TS]

00:16:52   Chamberlain's umbrella and it was a [TS]

00:16:56   protest against Kennedy's dad who was a [TS]

00:17:01   Nazi sympathizer em or who this man you [TS]

00:17:05   know was like John that is John that is [TS]

00:17:07   extremely subtle it was very was [TS]

00:17:10   extremely subtle and the point the point [TS]

00:17:11   of this little this little the short [TS]

00:17:14   film that I watched was that if you [TS]

00:17:16   examine any historical moment in [TS]

00:17:19   excruciating detail like you like you [TS]

00:17:22   like we have done that moment in dallas [TS]

00:17:26   that the number the number of things [TS]

00:17:28   that are like too bizarre to describe [TS]

00:17:32   that in any sort of historical like over [TS]

00:17:35   examined historical moment I what would [TS]

00:17:39   blow your mind [TS]

00:17:39   like if you could be if you could if you [TS]

00:17:42   could take apart a photograph of any [TS]

00:17:44   like a any moment like that he would [TS]

00:17:49   find so many unexplainable kind of jobs [TS]

00:17:53   so it's not just related weirdness [TS]

00:17:55   it's not just that this question marks [TS]

00:17:57   on this particular day but that you know [TS]

00:17:59   every single frame of anything that [TS]

00:18:01   anybody shot that day every single [TS]

00:18:03   person was interviewed the research [TS]

00:18:05   ethics like a huge amount of detail and [TS]

00:18:07   you get a Russian one thing where [TS]

00:18:08   there's so many different versions plus [TS]

00:18:10   the documentation anywhere you've got [TS]

00:18:12   that you're going to get different [TS]

00:18:13   things and it's going to sound ? just [TS]

00:18:17   lots of question marks [TS]

00:18:18   yeah you see it in this in the Boston [TS]

00:18:20   Marathon I was gonna bring that up at [TS]

00:18:21   that that's relevant [TS]

00:18:22   yeah although all the redditors out [TS]

00:18:24   there looking at all the photographs and [TS]

00:18:26   they find 25 different guys with [TS]

00:18:28   backpacks and yeah and you're like how [TS]

00:18:30   many how many suspicious looking guys [TS]

00:18:32   with backpacks are there at the finish [TS]

00:18:34   line of the Boston Marathon turns out a [TS]

00:18:38   lot [TS]

00:18:38   yeah you know I for some reason and that [TS]

00:18:42   their amorous thing i'll send you a link [TS]

00:18:44   to the X it's really interesting but I [TS]

00:18:48   don't you ever seen this but you know [TS]

00:18:50   they'll be something you see something [TS]

00:18:51   like a really iconic photograph [TS]

00:18:53   I'm trying LOL the closet when a classic [TS]

00:18:55   examples you know the very famous [TS]

00:18:56   portrait of Winston Churchill you know [TS]

00:18:59   looking taciturn and that famous in a [TS]

00:19:02   photo on extending it that tommy gun [TS]

00:19:03   that's my favorite picture of him he's [TS]

00:19:06   he's a he's yeah he's a he's a good [TS]

00:19:09   subject but you know if you received you [TS]

00:19:12   know what the fuck photographer who's [TS]

00:19:13   made an iconic image you'll notice that [TS]

00:19:15   there's an iconic image usually in this [TS]

00:19:18   Chet Baker you don't usually see it [TS]

00:19:20   alongside the 17 rejects with you know [TS]

00:19:23   why texas right sure the the the the the [TS]

00:19:28   memory of the rejects you know the ones [TS]

00:19:30   the ones that did not become iconic [TS]

00:19:32   because that's not the one they picked [TS]

00:19:33   and what always strikes me about that is [TS]

00:19:35   you know when you see it becomes like [TS]

00:19:37   the Mona Lisa [TS]

00:19:38   so are you saying that so many times [TS]

00:19:40   that you kind of go dead to the [TS]

00:19:42   foreground to background that you know [TS]

00:19:44   anyway it's always amazing me when you [TS]

00:19:46   get to see a whole sequence of photos [TS]

00:19:47   where that might be one of 17 photos [TS]

00:19:50   that somebody shot really fast and it's [TS]

00:19:52   amazing how completely different a scene [TS]

00:19:55   looks in like a really literally a [TS]

00:19:58   fraction of a second and it changes the [TS]

00:20:00   entire story i mean if you saw like the [TS]

00:20:03   nurse slapping the sailor in one of [TS]

00:20:06   those you know I'm not one was a VJ day [TS]

00:20:08   yeah TJ davis funny but but I don't even [TS]

00:20:13   like if you see you know if anything was [TS]

00:20:15   worth anything if anything were [TS]

00:20:16   different in that one shot it kind of [TS]

00:20:19   starts to tell a different story or like [TS]

00:20:21   you know the the woman walking down the [TS]

00:20:23   street with the guys the french guy that [TS]

00:20:25   takes all the pictures or bozo nono [TS]

00:20:27   that's what was and what so I think it's [TS]

00:20:30   one so so so was Shawn and a thing is if [TS]

00:20:34   he didn't capture that one moment where [TS]

00:20:36   a bunch of time of the Italian woman [TS]

00:20:37   where all the guys on vegetables are [TS]

00:20:39   whistling at her I think that's the one [TS]

00:20:40   yeah and if everybody if he had captured [TS]

00:20:42   in that one moment it would have been a [TS]

00:20:44   completely different photograph you know [TS]

00:20:46   anyway I don't want to get into like you [TS]

00:20:48   know [TS]

00:20:48   no I was thinking about this George [TS]

00:20:50   territory but that's kind of what we're [TS]

00:20:51   talking about [TS]

00:20:52   well I was this came up for me because [TS]

00:20:56   because for for many years I would say [TS]

00:21:01   25 years ever since i first saw that [TS]

00:21:05   iconic picture of mountain girl sitting [TS]

00:21:09   next to jerry garcia it right before [TS]

00:21:12   Jerry grew a beard mountain girl cherry [TS]

00:21:16   garcia ok mountain girl is a woman named [TS]

00:21:20   Caroline Garcia who was one of the [TS]

00:21:22   original Merry Pranksters she had a baby [TS]

00:21:25   with Ken Kesey and then she hooked up [TS]

00:21:29   with Jerry and had two babies with jerry [TS]

00:21:31   garcia before they married sometime in [TS]

00:21:33   the eighties order but there isn't this [TS]

00:21:35   iconic photograph of a mountain girl and [TS]

00:21:39   Jerry sitting next to one another and [TS]

00:21:41   probably 67 and it's like the days he's [TS]

00:21:45   got big muttonchops and they [TS]

00:21:47   and he's got big big muttonchops and she [TS]

00:21:49   is a she is a gallon her twenties and [TS]

00:21:53   they're both kind of looking up [TS]

00:21:55   she looks like she might be in later [TS]

00:21:56   Kenny she looks like she might be in [TS]

00:21:58   later okay guys that's what she said [TS]

00:22:00   nice photo really nice sweater [TS]

00:22:01   so the first time I saw this picture it [TS]

00:22:03   was back in the eighties when if you [TS]

00:22:08   recall seeing pictures of your favorite [TS]

00:22:10   rock stars was not it was not just a [TS]

00:22:15   simple matter right i mean you did not [TS]

00:22:17   just go on the internet and Google [TS]

00:22:19   mountain girl and get every picture of [TS]

00:22:21   her ever taken you would cut them out of [TS]

00:22:23   circus magazine you would cut them out [TS]

00:22:25   of magazines right and and so you would [TS]

00:22:28   buy up and down with the rolling stones [TS]

00:22:30   and you would pour over those to pick [TS]

00:22:34   the two pages of pictures in the middle [TS]

00:22:36   of the book because those were the only [TS]

00:22:38   candidate pictures of the rolling stones [TS]

00:22:40   you had ever seen right and i saw this [TS]

00:22:43   picture of mountain girl with jerry [TS]

00:22:44   garcia and on the one hand it is a it's [TS]

00:22:49   that it's a picture of Jerry before he [TS]

00:22:52   had his beard so it is a it is a picture [TS]

00:22:54   of utter carnage and horror because [TS]

00:22:58   Jerry is a terrible-looking person and [TS]

00:23:00   here and he has a very sort of a weak [TS]

00:23:04   chin that his beard later concealed and [TS]

00:23:07   he's got so he's got a real like effort [TS]

00:23:09   for focusing on the scene it's got a [TS]

00:23:10   real mid-seventies my dog speaks to me [TS]

00:23:14   serial killer kind of vibe yeah that's [TS]

00:23:16   it [TS]

00:23:17   he's super uncool that his beard and [TS]

00:23:19   it's crazy to think that he was the [TS]

00:23:21   leader of this whole movement but then [TS]

00:23:24   once he grows the beard then you're like [TS]

00:23:25   it's jerry garcia it's like Santa Claus [TS]

00:23:28   is amazing looking and he rightfully [TS]

00:23:30   never shaped it again but mountain girl [TS]

00:23:32   was tempted me at at 21 years old or [TS]

00:23:36   whatever when I first saw this picture [TS]

00:23:38   she was so beautiful she was like the [TS]

00:23:40   girl in the over minor ski catalog and [TS]

00:23:43   she actually looks a lot like the girl [TS]

00:23:45   and the Obermeyer ski catalog 01 the [TS]

00:23:48   puffy jacket the puffy jacket call the [TS]

00:23:50   ski pants and this picture of mountain [TS]

00:23:53   girl kind of looking up maybe slightly [TS]

00:23:57   slightly squinting her eyes [TS]

00:23:59   care so fresh and clean and it's so [TS]

00:24:04   embodied the sixties to me from my [TS]

00:24:08   perspective in the in the mid to late [TS]

00:24:10   eighties when sixties worship was at its [TS]

00:24:13   highest and i was at 18 and 19 years old [TS]

00:24:17   consumed by this nostalgia for the [TS]

00:24:21   sixties and this feeling of loss and [TS]

00:24:24   regret that I hadn't lived through the [TS]

00:24:27   60s that in fact the sixties were lost [TS]

00:24:30   forever and we were stuck in these [TS]

00:24:32   miserable eighties I wanted so much to [TS]

00:24:35   be with mountain girl and this was not a [TS]

00:24:39   this wasn't it didn't have anything to [TS]

00:24:41   do with liking the grateful dead because [TS]

00:24:42   I didn't particularly like the Grateful [TS]

00:24:43   Dead this is 1 this is a right before [TS]

00:24:46   you're grateful dead hang out period did [TS]

00:24:50   anything you say you had a period we [TS]

00:24:51   hung out with deadheads yeah I did but I [TS]

00:24:54   mean you know i I've always had a period [TS]

00:24:56   of time might I have multiple periods [TS]

00:24:59   simultaneously so I was hanging with a [TS]

00:25:01   look at memory but I wasn't a oh sorry [TS]

00:25:05   where's my bell and here it is ready [TS]

00:25:09   whoo up so you're talking about your [TS]

00:25:13   menses yeah I you know I had had a lot [TS]

00:25:17   of dead as i started three times now but [TS]

00:25:20   it but what I know right but it wasn't [TS]

00:25:22   about it wasn't about that it was about [TS]

00:25:24   this idea i mean i don't know if you [TS]

00:25:26   remember the movie 1969 starring a [TS]

00:25:29   starring role [TS]

00:25:32   what's his name the Iron Man oh wow nice [TS]

00:25:36   pole of opportunity here Robert Downey [TS]

00:25:38   jr. and Kiefer Sutherland and winona [TS]

00:25:40   ryder in a movie called 1969 that came [TS]

00:25:44   out in 1987 or 88 and it was this you [TS]

00:25:49   know it was this super [TS]

00:25:52   super stroke off kind of like the [TS]

00:25:55   sixties man the sixties are gonna make [TS]

00:25:58   didn't the nineties going to make the [TS]

00:26:00   sixties look like the eighties matter [TS]

00:26:02   whatever dennis hopper's famous quote [TS]

00:26:04   but uh but anyway so I spent years [TS]

00:26:08   thinking that mountain girl was you know [TS]

00:26:13   like kind of this beautiful girl like my [TS]

00:26:16   ideal hippie girl but I had only ever [TS]

00:26:20   seen the one picture of her literally [TS]

00:26:23   there were no other pictures of mountain [TS]

00:26:26   girl and I thought I guess at a certain [TS]

00:26:28   point many many years ago I just assumed [TS]

00:26:31   that she had gone up into the mountains [TS]

00:26:34   and never come down or that she had [TS]

00:26:37   turned into an eagle or I don't know [TS]

00:26:41   what happened i did i had no idea what [TS]

00:26:42   having a mountain girl and what happened [TS]

00:26:44   to mount girl was that she married jerry [TS]

00:26:47   garcia had two kids and wrote a book [TS]

00:26:49   about cooking with pot or something and [TS]

00:26:51   she's still alive today and lives in [TS]

00:26:54   santa rosa and I so the other day i was [TS]

00:26:58   just i don't know why i was thinking [TS]

00:27:00   about it but I googled her and they're [TS]

00:27:02   all these pictures of mountain colonel [TS]

00:27:03   and you look at it from a different [TS]

00:27:05   angle and I mean she's cute [TS]

00:27:09   you know but just like a an assistant [TS]

00:27:13   manager at a health food store [TS]

00:27:14   yeah she's not so cute that that she [TS]

00:27:17   would burn herself into your into a [TS]

00:27:19   person's mind for 425 years but here I [TS]

00:27:23   am like the mountain girl and my [TS]

00:27:26   imagination Trump's the real mountain [TS]

00:27:28   girl and it's because I only ever saw [TS]

00:27:31   this one great picture of her and they [TS]

00:27:33   were probably 25 pictures on either side [TS]

00:27:35   of it that no one's ever seen right so [TS]

00:27:39   unfair considering how many terrible [TS]

00:27:40   pictures of me are out there in Excel [TS]

00:27:45   yeah I look you look really different [TS]

00:27:47   from different angles [TS]

00:27:49   I don't think I'm going to shave my [TS]

00:27:50   beard again it's not because I have a [TS]

00:27:52   weak chin it's because i have the chin [TS]

00:27:54   of a thousand [TS]

00:27:56   men having too much in your beard Shape [TS]

00:28:00   face have too much I've too much face [TS]

00:28:03   oh yeah you know what's interesting [TS]

00:28:05   about you [TS]

00:28:06   it's hard to explain but you have kind [TS]

00:28:09   of big everything [TS]

00:28:10   yeah it's weird like there's some people [TS]

00:28:12   who seem pretty like kind of a [TS]

00:28:14   proportionate but it seems like you know [TS]

00:28:16   like that you can only really have one [TS]

00:28:18   big thing I your potty training that you [TS]

00:28:20   but one like you know it seems like you [TS]

00:28:22   have a real big melon head that are like [TS]

00:28:24   all cans or something those big wide [TS]

00:28:27   shoulder read a lot of guys but he meets [TS]

00:28:29   people sometimes especially Frenchman [TS]

00:28:30   whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo like laundry the giant [TS]

00:28:33   everything on him looks big [TS]

00:28:35   yeah it's Gallic yeah they're not well I [TS]

00:28:39   guess I i guess i'm not Gallic you're [TS]

00:28:42   pretty sexy she in a lot of ways [TS]

00:28:44   oh that's interesting you think i'm [TS]

00:28:46   kinda French but I'm not gonna get [TS]

00:28:48   involved in this again [TS]

00:28:49   all right the guy who I just sent you a [TS]

00:28:51   link to this the guy who took the same [TS]

00:28:53   as photo telling her encourage you look [TS]

00:28:55   at the link because of the other picture [TS]

00:28:57   that came out of that session so it's a [TS]

00:28:58   famous picture of Churchill with his [TS]

00:29:00   head kind of slightly down beautiful [TS]

00:29:02   photo he's got a cane [TS]

00:29:04   he looks great and so cars the guy who [TS]

00:29:07   shot this had asked Rachel to remove the [TS]

00:29:09   scar in its mouth Churchill refuse [TS]

00:29:10   Karsch walked up to Churchill supposedly [TS]

00:29:13   to get a light level and casually pull [TS]

00:29:15   the signatures of car from the lips of [TS]

00:29:17   Churchill and walk back toward the [TS]

00:29:18   camera as he walked he clicked his [TS]

00:29:20   camera mode capturing the quote-unquote [TS]

00:29:22   determined look he's looking now when [TS]

00:29:25   you know that knows that the right is [TS]

00:29:27   that true that link i essentially it [TS]

00:29:29   mostly now he just looks like a fat man [TS]

00:29:31   he's pouting [TS]

00:29:32   mmm yeah but at the time he looked like [TS]

00:29:35   the guy who was going to defeat Hitler [TS]

00:29:36   with his scowl here's the thing to go to [TS]

00:29:38   that page and scroll down you can see [TS]

00:29:39   the one of him smiling broadly from the [TS]

00:29:41   same yeah very different that's like [TS]

00:29:43   oliver hardy right although still with [TS]

00:29:46   the kind of like yeah like the left side [TS]

00:29:50   of his face is fully four inches shorter [TS]

00:29:55   than the right side of his face that [TS]

00:29:58   yeah like he's one of those guys if you [TS]

00:30:00   draw a line down the middle of that [TS]

00:30:01   picture and you look at just put your [TS]

00:30:03   hand over you look at the one-half yeah [TS]

00:30:05   yeah it's two completely different men [TS]

00:30:08   he looks like a courageous twice-baked [TS]

00:30:10   potato [TS]

00:30:12   um yeah yeah it's a funny thing else [TS]

00:30:16   into that arrow Morris thing to exist [TS]

00:30:17   it's a good read i don't know i like hot [TS]

00:30:21   food I like medium warm coffee I don't [TS]

00:30:24   get too hot my friends really look down [TS]

00:30:27   on this but I I put a lot of like half [TS]

00:30:29   and half in my coffee you do I think [TS]

00:30:32   you're a half-and-half guy right [TS]

00:30:33   I like half and half but you go through [TS]

00:30:35   a gallon of half-and-half I don't do a [TS]

00:30:37   lot of everything but yeah you're [TS]

00:30:38   absolutely right i am what I'll do is [TS]

00:30:41   I'll make real strong coffee i'm gonna [TS]

00:30:43   hear my office in my dingus and then i [TS]

00:30:45   will pour in a sec this is an admixture [TS]

00:30:48   of hot water and a half and half until [TS]

00:30:52   it's exactly the perfect temperature to [TS]

00:30:54   drink immediately you know you know [TS]

00:30:56   Merlin I will drink room temperature pop [TS]

00:30:58   I've done that I've done that but you [TS]

00:31:05   know what here's the thing I I don't [TS]

00:31:06   want to get too much into your biography [TS]

00:31:08   and comfortable talking about it but you [TS]

00:31:10   know how do you think some of this [TS]

00:31:12   let me ask you this have you always been [TS]

00:31:14   this way or has had some of this come [TS]

00:31:17   out of your like I i recently I you know [TS]

00:31:20   I guess I read those the diaries were [TS]

00:31:24   like he said it sent stuff from your [TS]

00:31:27   walk back to that Professor and i guess [TS]

00:31:30   and i read those pages a long time ago [TS]

00:31:31   and had looked at him again till [TS]

00:31:32   recently but they're fantastic but I'm [TS]

00:31:36   write a book about that that's a while [TS]

00:31:38   already talked about email if you write [TS]

00:31:39   a book about your walk the okay high [TS]

00:31:41   five fucking creeper 420 but i but I [TS]

00:31:46   mean it sounds like your diet was uneven [TS]

00:31:49   at best and then you had you had your [TS]

00:31:51   surgery which is your feet were singing [TS]

00:31:53   was that it or they're working bring [TS]

00:31:55   your bring your fever ringing [TS]

00:31:57   but I mean you know you must have you [TS]

00:31:58   sound like you really did kind of eat [TS]

00:32:00   roots and berries if you were lucky [TS]

00:32:01   sometimes yeah [TS]

00:32:02   did that make you less picky uh the the [TS]

00:32:07   high became less picky um I didn't ever [TS]

00:32:13   tell you the story about how I became [TS]

00:32:14   less picky [TS]

00:32:15   no John I would love to hear the story [TS]

00:32:20   about how you became less picky [TS]

00:32:22   are you sure in the Balkans no no it was [TS]

00:32:25   a long time before i was i was extremely [TS]

00:32:28   picky when I was a kid the pickiest of [TS]

00:32:30   all the major i would only 84 menu items [TS]

00:32:33   macaroni and cheese boiling bags [TS]

00:32:36   Salisbury steaks stoffers staffers good [TS]

00:32:41   boil-in-the-bag Salisbury steaks i would [TS]

00:32:43   eat pizza and I would eat spaghetti if [TS]

00:32:45   you put the spaghetti sauce in the [TS]

00:32:48   blender and blended all visible lumps [TS]

00:32:52   out of it [TS]

00:32:53   how often would your mother capitulate [TS]

00:32:54   to these requests well she the thing is [TS]

00:32:56   she's busy she had a career she was busy [TS]

00:32:58   and so what she what she ended up doing [TS]

00:33:00   what she would make spaghetti sauce was [TS]

00:33:02   just like like drizzle tomato sauce she [TS]

00:33:06   wouldn't put anything in it [TS]

00:33:07   okay um and and the problem was that i [TS]

00:33:10   was i was a I was extremely I was [TS]

00:33:15   extremely stubborn like it was no it [TS]

00:33:17   wasn't a question of I would sit and did [TS]

00:33:20   multiple times sit at a table in front [TS]

00:33:22   of a of a cup of cold peas and sit there [TS]

00:33:26   until it was time to go to bed and you [TS]

00:33:28   know and they would sit me in front of a [TS]

00:33:30   couple cold peas in it for breakfast and [TS]

00:33:32   I wouldn't eat and they would sit me at [TS]

00:33:35   the couple cold Pease at lunch and [TS]

00:33:36   dinner and I just would need and it [TS]

00:33:39   ended and I wouldn't eat until [TS]

00:33:41   continuing to not feed me would [TS]

00:33:44   constitute child abuse and they just and [TS]

00:33:48   it wasn't that I would you know I wasn't [TS]

00:33:50   crying I wasn't I was just sitting [TS]

00:33:53   quietly staring over the top of the cup [TS]

00:33:57   of cold peas [TS]

00:33:59   on community like to fuck McCain of [TS]

00:34:01   convenience vegetables until they just [TS]

00:34:05   you know until everyone capitulated and [TS]

00:34:07   i just ate the you know the five things [TS]

00:34:09   that I would eat and when I was in high [TS]

00:34:12   school and had a car at lunch time I [TS]

00:34:15   would go to McDonald's because i was [TS]

00:34:16   growing I was a big i was getting big [TS]

00:34:18   now we go to McDonald's and i would get [TS]

00:34:21   two cheeseburgers a 20 piece chicken [TS]

00:34:23   mcnugget a strawberry shake a strawberry [TS]

00:34:29   sundae an Apple turnover and one other [TS]

00:34:34   thing i didn't need french fries insane [TS]

00:34:37   i would get i would get this this meal [TS]

00:34:39   that would feed like a soccer team but I [TS]

00:34:43   wouldn't eat a green vegetable I [TS]

00:34:45   wouldn't eat a and you know and I and I [TS]

00:34:47   had a powerful gag reflex it's not just [TS]

00:34:49   that I wouldn't eat it but the that I [TS]

00:34:51   would sit and like look like I couldn't [TS]

00:34:54   even if you if you if you put a piece of [TS]

00:34:56   broccoli under my nose [TS]

00:34:58   it would i would be retching like I was [TS]

00:35:00   like I was in a outhouse you know and [TS]

00:35:06   that persisted and na was a big reason [TS]

00:35:08   that I didn't do foreign exchange when I [TS]

00:35:12   was in high school it was suggested that [TS]

00:35:13   maybe what I should do is go on a [TS]

00:35:15   foreign exchange program and maybe that [TS]

00:35:17   would straighten me out or maybe that [TS]

00:35:18   which show me the show me something [TS]

00:35:21   about the world that would that was [TS]

00:35:22   going to change my my weird little [TS]

00:35:24   provincial attitudes and I didn't want [TS]

00:35:29   to go on foreign exchange because i was [TS]

00:35:30   afraid that I was going to go somewhere [TS]

00:35:32   I was afraid to even apply for fear that [TS]

00:35:34   I would end up going someplace where [TS]

00:35:35   they served me frogs legs and clams and [TS]

00:35:39   made me eat lettuce and and so I was [TS]

00:35:44   like no thanks [TS]

00:35:46   you know like I i sheltered myself from [TS]

00:35:49   experience all the way through high [TS]

00:35:51   school largely based on like am I going [TS]

00:35:55   to be able to get to mcdonalds or to [TS]

00:36:00   taco bell and even at taco bell i would [TS]

00:36:04   order tacos with no lettuce while they [TS]

00:36:07   would especially make tacos for me with [TS]

00:36:09   no lettuce [TS]

00:36:10   and the cheeseburgers i got it at [TS]

00:36:12   mcdonalds plain plain cheeseburgers no [TS]

00:36:15   casualties you to grill order to a grill [TS]

00:36:17   or move so so this this was true of me [TS]

00:36:22   into college and unfortunately the food [TS]

00:36:29   that you get in college is basically [TS]

00:36:31   exactly that menu pizza and macaroni and [TS]

00:36:34   cheese boil-in-the-bag Salisbury steaks [TS]

00:36:37   so until i was i guess not know until I [TS]

00:36:43   was 20 I had I had an incredibly small [TS]

00:36:47   palette and and I lived in fear [TS]

00:36:52   you know I lived in fear of the wider [TS]

00:36:53   world strictly because if I ended up [TS]

00:36:58   going home with somebody for dinner and [TS]

00:37:01   their mom put a plate of food in front [TS]

00:37:03   of me then what are they made lumpy like [TS]

00:37:05   spaghetti sauce made lumpy spaghetti so [TS]

00:37:07   let's be totally out it not only what [TS]

00:37:09   you have to eat it but you would have to [TS]

00:37:10   explain that you're picky [TS]

00:37:12   yeah it would end it happened many many [TS]

00:37:14   many times I'm over to somebody's house [TS]

00:37:16   and their mom is like i made spaghetti [TS]

00:37:17   and everybody's like yeah and I am dying [TS]

00:37:21   inside you get panicky I did I was dying [TS]

00:37:24   because I because I I didn't know am I [TS]

00:37:27   going to sit down at the table and the [TS]

00:37:28   spaghetti is going to come and it's and [TS]

00:37:30   it's fine [TS]

00:37:31   or is it gonna have big green peppers in [TS]

00:37:34   it and onions and all these things that [TS]

00:37:36   that I was just like oh no and believe [TS]

00:37:40   me you cannot eat spaghetti at someone's [TS]

00:37:42   house and pick out the green peppers and [TS]

00:37:44   put them on the side here play that [TS]

00:37:45   doesn't fly so all the way until I sell [TS]

00:37:49   admire it was so I mean you know when I [TS]

00:37:51   was I had I done it all and put to put [TS]

00:37:54   the food in my pockets that wrapped in a [TS]

00:37:56   napkin stole the napkin [TS]

00:37:59   no it didn't we have six napkins I don't [TS]

00:38:01   know I've got it tucked down the front [TS]

00:38:03   of my pants but so anyway so I anna and [TS]

00:38:08   i had been like this [TS]

00:38:09   checking all across the states it's just [TS]

00:38:11   like everybody has a hamburger [TS]

00:38:13   you know what I mean in America so if [TS]

00:38:16   you have any choice of food you're fine [TS]

00:38:18   because you just choose a hamburger and [TS]

00:38:20   it's fine [TS]

00:38:21   but then i went to Europe for the first [TS]

00:38:25   time and for most of the time I was just [TS]

00:38:30   living on French bread and cheese and [TS]

00:38:33   every once in a while I would I would [TS]

00:38:36   get a plate or something and I'd you [TS]

00:38:39   know kind of pick at it but but it i was [TS]

00:38:43   pretty much covered like ham sandwich in [TS]

00:38:45   Europe is the same as hamburger over [TS]

00:38:47   here you can find a piece of French [TS]

00:38:50   bread with us thin slice of ham and some [TS]

00:38:52   and some cheese everywhere you go [TS]

00:38:55   but one day i was on a train and it [TS]

00:39:01   deposited me in innsbrook austria and it [TS]

00:39:04   was at the end of the day and I got off [TS]

00:39:07   the train and instead it instead of [TS]

00:39:09   heading heading left i headed right and [TS]

00:39:11   it's you know it's one of those things [TS]

00:39:13   where if you're if you're not just this [TS]

00:39:15   is the lady who made you food [TS]

00:39:17   yeah I told you the story the lady who [TS]

00:39:19   who made me the-the-the-the asparagus [TS]

00:39:22   with the pollination she laid out an [TS]

00:39:25   entire meal for you it was past closing [TS]

00:39:28   time in chi and she spread out an entire [TS]

00:39:30   banquet for you [TS]

00:39:31   that's right that's right i have told [TS]

00:39:33   you the story gets story i'm sorry it's [TS]

00:39:36   ok I shouldn't have said anything i [TS]

00:39:37   should i'm sorry i shouldn't say [TS]

00:39:39   anything [TS]

00:39:39   no that's but that's the story so you [TS]

00:39:42   know my name but I never heard the part [TS]

00:39:43   I never heard the part before that and I [TS]

00:39:46   have to say it's very isn't it [TS]

00:39:48   surprising to me that you are pure picky [TS]

00:39:50   it's not surprising to me that you had [TS]

00:39:52   showdowns with your mom because it seems [TS]

00:39:54   like that would be a kind of inevitable [TS]

00:39:55   battle of the wills that's the problem [TS]

00:39:57   it didn't start with my mom my dad was [TS]

00:40:01   weird about food and I don't know [TS]

00:40:04   whether it was from his dad or whatever [TS]

00:40:05   but but when I was a little kid after my [TS]

00:40:09   folks got divorced my dad would come [TS]

00:40:12   stay with us and one time and it's it's [TS]

00:40:16   a it's a moment that that sticks in my [TS]

00:40:18   head even though i had I I couldn't have [TS]

00:40:21   been any older than about three and a [TS]

00:40:22   half [TS]

00:40:23   but my dad got up with me and my mom you [TS]

00:40:29   know slept in and my dad made me eggs [TS]

00:40:31   and my mom had always made my eggs [TS]

00:40:34   sunny-side up and I would pop the yolks [TS]

00:40:38   and I would eat the yolks with toast and [TS]

00:40:41   my dad scramble the eggs or he may be [TS]

00:40:44   eggs some way and I was a three-year-old [TS]

00:40:47   up until that point [TS]

00:40:48   three-and-a-half-year-old ID and [TS]

00:40:49   everything it wasn't a problem but dad [TS]

00:40:51   made the eggs wrong and I was a little [TS]

00:40:53   kid and didn't and I was like no that's [TS]

00:40:56   not how eggs are that's that when a kid [TS]

00:40:59   is and my dad lost his mind and was [TS]

00:41:04   screaming and you're going to eat those [TS]

00:41:06   eggs and it was this traumatic [TS]

00:41:11   experience where I was like I'm not [TS]

00:41:13   gonna eat those eggs [TS]

00:41:14   those are those I know what an egg looks [TS]

00:41:16   like uh huh [TS]

00:41:17   this is something he'll there's some [TS]

00:41:19   garbage food and it [TS]

00:41:21   my dad and I had a showdown and it was [TS]

00:41:23   the first time and he and I were had [TS]

00:41:24   been you know we're always very close [TS]

00:41:26   the first time there been any conflict [TS]

00:41:28   between us [TS]

00:41:29   wow really yeah my mom came running into [TS]

00:41:32   the kitchen [TS]

00:41:33   leave him alone and my dad was like a is [TS]

00:41:37   you're ruining him tied and it was this [TS]

00:41:40   whole and I mean it sticks in my head [TS]

00:41:42   not just because it has been talked [TS]

00:41:44   about sense but I mean it was a it was [TS]

00:41:46   it made a big the planning a big flag in [TS]

00:41:50   the ground and from that point on food [TS]

00:41:54   was the thing that food was the way that [TS]

00:41:56   I could control my environment [TS]

00:41:59   whoa really yeah and so I never from [TS]

00:42:02   that point on I was just any cut time a [TS]

00:42:04   plate landed in front of me if it was [TS]

00:42:06   something I had never seen before I was [TS]

00:42:08   like no way no way and so my palate [TS]

00:42:12   basically stayed at the at the like [TS]

00:42:16   chicken strips grilled cheese sandwich [TS]

00:42:21   level of a three-and-a-half-year-old and [TS]

00:42:25   it and with every passing year I just [TS]

00:42:27   reinforced it reinforced it in my mind [TS]

00:42:29   and in my and everything I did until you [TS]

00:42:33   know you're 16 years old 17 years old [TS]

00:42:35   you're just like [TS]

00:42:36   see sandwich please or whatever you know [TS]

00:42:40   never I grew up in Alaska I never ate [TS]

00:42:42   fish of any kind wow people would pull [TS]

00:42:46   king salmon is out of the kenai river [TS]

00:42:48   and got him right there and throw him on [TS]

00:42:52   the throne on an open fire and everybody [TS]

00:42:55   else is like digging into this you know [TS]

00:42:57   that the guy i have sense had its course [TS]

00:43:00   but a king salmon straight out of the [TS]

00:43:03   river there's no it's like ambrosia and [TS]

00:43:07   I said get it i'm eating a hot dog and [TS]

00:43:10   my teenage friends are like what is the [TS]

00:43:13   matter with you man this is the world's [TS]

00:43:16   greatest food and I'm just like gross [TS]

00:43:18   but usually do it but I mean you were [TS]

00:43:20   okay with saying like that's just not a [TS]

00:43:23   thing I'm gonna do [TS]

00:43:24   oh yeah okay I mean I was like you guys [TS]

00:43:27   are eating a fish then just came out of [TS]

00:43:31   a river like think about it they're like [TS]

00:43:35   we are thinking about it as we eat this [TS]

00:43:37   delicious fish that just came out of [TS]

00:43:39   this river and I'm like no thanks I'm [TS]

00:43:41   gonna stick with this hotdog this [TS]

00:43:44   amazing fewer hot dog that wasn't just [TS]

00:43:49   in a river [TS]

00:43:50   I mean I was like I was it something you [TS]

00:43:53   take a hot dog you know a lot of all of [TS]

00:43:56   all the kinds of 50 [TS]

00:43:58   I mean you know just saying it wasn't [TS]

00:44:00   like you're having inorganic parsnips [TS]

00:44:01   your hand here our plans and butts [TS]

00:44:04   basically far from it and and and and [TS]

00:44:06   presently very familiar the the one [TS]

00:44:09   thing that that that holds over is this [TS]

00:44:13   is that I still eating Arby's [TS]

00:44:14   periodically not very often me too but [TS]

00:44:17   you know an RB sandwich is probably the [TS]

00:44:19   worst thing that human beings have ever [TS]

00:44:24   devised i see i see some signs for stuff [TS]

00:44:27   at our taco bell that i I just I can't [TS]

00:44:30   believe you know what goes into food [TS]

00:44:32   photography [TS]

00:44:33   I'm just my I'm i just sent my daughter [TS]

00:44:36   didn't think that that doesn't like barf [TS]

00:44:38   she's yeah i mean it really it looks [TS]

00:44:40   like art looks like barf I mean all [TS]

00:44:42   those companies you know how the food [TS]

00:44:45   gets there it gets there in tanker [TS]

00:44:47   trucks don't like [TS]

00:44:50   everything at a Taco Bell arrives in a [TS]

00:44:52   tanker and they just plug a huge fire [TS]

00:44:55   hose into a slot in the wall and they [TS]

00:44:58   just pump it in and that's true of our [TS]

00:45:00   efforts to of arbys to but I just it's [TS]

00:45:02   the one holdover from those years so [TS]

00:45:04   anyway after that experience in [TS]

00:45:05   innsbrook then it was like going from [TS]

00:45:09   black and white to color it like it is [TS]

00:45:11   almost get broke a fever or something [TS]

00:45:13   exciting that's exactly right [TS]

00:45:15   it's something popped and I because and [TS]

00:45:17   I think it's because asparagus was at [TS]

00:45:21   the very top of my list of things I [TS]

00:45:24   would never ever eat like it looked so [TS]

00:45:26   wrong it's smelled something terrible [TS]

00:45:28   and and the idea that an asparagus and [TS]

00:45:33   and I say this with the full knowledge [TS]

00:45:35   that Europeans have no idea how to cook [TS]

00:45:37   asparagus like like Europeans eat white [TS]

00:45:41   Candace paragas limp grows soggy [TS]

00:45:44   asparagus like not nothing compared to [TS]

00:45:47   to the amazing olive oil drenched [TS]

00:45:50   broiled asparagus [TS]

00:45:52   that's ok but even then even this soggy [TS]

00:45:56   Austrian asparagus was so delicious and [TS]

00:45:59   so astonishing that it that could have [TS]

00:46:02   been there in the world the whole time [TS]

00:46:04   that I was sitting sitting on my cold [TS]

00:46:08   log eating a hotdog average salmon i go [TS]

00:46:11   through this with my daughter who is you [TS]

00:46:14   know she is really she's a five-year-old [TS]

00:46:16   a lot of ways so you know she she [TS]

00:46:18   doesn't want to schedule a lot of ways [TS]

00:46:20   including actual chronological age I am [TS]

00:46:23   yes I guess that I guess that does [TS]

00:46:24   factor into it yes she's not where we'd [TS]

00:46:27   like her to be but she's being five on a [TS]

00:46:30   12th grade level [TS]

00:46:31   yeah but I but you know I have to say to [TS]

00:46:34   her sometimes she's like you know will [TS]

00:46:36   be like just gonna try a little this [TS]

00:46:37   food you know I'm gonna get weird [TS]

00:46:39   because I think and I don't want to get [TS]

00:46:41   into eating disorders is the new Hitler [TS]

00:46:43   but but you know I've had more than one [TS]

00:46:46   woman tell me that their relationship [TS]

00:46:47   with food like yours became really [TS]

00:46:50   fucked up in a divorced family where [TS]

00:46:53   food became a way to control something [TS]

00:46:55   in an environment that they didn't have [TS]

00:46:57   controlling seriously I've had a handful [TS]

00:46:58   of women tell me that that's how they [TS]

00:47:00   got a weird relationship with food so [TS]

00:47:01   I'm [TS]

00:47:02   not really surprised you know what [TS]

00:47:04   you're saying that in some ways but but [TS]

00:47:05   like with my kid you know [TS]

00:47:07   yeah where were the typical I mean kind [TS]

00:47:10   of like we consider ourselves good about [TS]

00:47:13   this family which is let's just try it [TS]

00:47:15   and just try and and that's really all [TS]

00:47:17   you have to do just try a bite [TS]

00:47:18   that's all we're asking me to do you [TS]

00:47:20   know there's nothing you're gonna like [TS]

00:47:21   we're not going to make you go on a [TS]

00:47:22   roller coaster even though we don't like [TS]

00:47:24   it like we're not gonna make you eat [TS]

00:47:26   shrimp with lobster sauce because I'm [TS]

00:47:29   you live from the house who likes it [TS]

00:47:30   anyway you know what I mean like just [TS]

00:47:32   just give it a spin that's really all [TS]

00:47:33   that were asking [TS]

00:47:34   yeah and the thing I end up saying to [TS]

00:47:36   her that is um you know I try to be [TS]

00:47:39   careful because I just in life i try to [TS]

00:47:43   be careful not to tell somebody who I [TS]

00:47:46   think they are but rather what I think [TS]

00:47:48   they're doing right I'm not great at it [TS]

00:47:50   but in this case I don't want to hear [TS]

00:47:51   your picky eater or something right [TS]

00:47:52   right right now but what I will say is [TS]

00:47:54   pretty much every food we have put in [TS]

00:47:57   front of you you didn't want to try and [TS]

00:47:59   that includes chocolate and I can pretty [TS]

00:48:01   much guarantee that there was at least [TS]

00:48:03   one Saturday morning years ago where you [TS]

00:48:05   didn't want to watch toy story like you [TS]

00:48:07   have a habit of not liking stuff until [TS]

00:48:11   you try it because that's how it works [TS]

00:48:13   right and you know I I think that's [TS]

00:48:16   actually weirdly appropriate you know to [TS]

00:48:18   a lot of things in life you know where [TS]

00:48:20   you know you get this really strong idea [TS]

00:48:22   but uh I've i swear i've met a lot of [TS]

00:48:26   people with kind of sometimes like [TS]

00:48:29   famous but often like shameful things [TS]

00:48:31   like that it's kind of like being an [TS]

00:48:32   adult dead wetter in some ways I'm [TS]

00:48:34   afraid you wouldn't want anything should [TS]

00:48:36   only way a lot huh [TS]

00:48:38   I was a bed-wetter until I was [TS]

00:48:39   embarrassingly hold its at right yeah [TS]

00:48:43   you know my well at least until i was [TS]

00:48:45   introduced until I was in fourth grade [TS]

00:48:48   no kidding that's Sox it did you know [TS]

00:48:51   the the the the thing about my parents [TS]

00:48:54   divorce was that I gave no outward sign [TS]

00:48:58   of being affected God and so all of [TS]

00:49:02   these things all these little little [TS]

00:49:04   broken of like gauges [TS]

00:49:10   it just all came out in these in these [TS]

00:49:12   other ways and they hated everything to [TS]

00:49:17   try and get me to stop bedwetting and in [TS]

00:49:19   the mid-seventies there was the purpose [TS]

00:49:21   that was an appliance and oft there [TS]

00:49:24   wasn't applying now really as it was it [TS]

00:49:27   took the form of a complete sheet of [TS]

00:49:33   like stainless steel thin very thin air [TS]

00:49:37   show no no no under my sheet that was [TS]

00:49:43   looking to make flooding and that was [TS]

00:49:45   connected with to you know electrode [TS]

00:49:48   clamps to a buzzer to a loud alarm and [TS]

00:49:55   if I wet the bed in the middle of the [TS]

00:49:59   night get the water the the liquid would [TS]

00:50:02   hit this this metal sheet and this bad [TS]

00:50:06   rap why that should make a shame problem [TS]

00:50:09   worse and it was it was put the way it [TS]

00:50:12   was sold to us was it was supposed to [TS]

00:50:15   wake the child up and that way they [TS]

00:50:18   would learn to equate their full bladder [TS]

00:50:21   or their recently recently empty bring [TS]

00:50:24   her recently evacuated a lot of causing [TS]

00:50:27   the editor [TS]

00:50:28   yeah with the dude with the need to get [TS]

00:50:29   up in the night and go to the go to the [TS]

00:50:31   bathroom and so uh you know this thing [TS]

00:50:34   went off a couple of times and I was no [TS]

00:50:37   dummy i pulled the sheet back and [TS]

00:50:41   figured out how it work and took the [TS]

00:50:43   took the electrode off the metal sheet [TS]

00:50:46   just you know just one not both care [TS]

00:50:48   lifehacker is I know how electricity [TS]

00:50:50   works and then and then I would wet the [TS]

00:50:53   bed and then when I would wake up in the [TS]

00:50:55   morning I would go oh fuck [TS]

00:50:58   and I would lean over and plug it back [TS]

00:51:00   in like clip the clip back to the middle [TS]

00:51:04   and it would immediately start why lab [TS]

00:51:06   and my mom would come running in and she [TS]

00:51:08   would say you just want the bed now you [TS]

00:51:12   just it's time to wake up you just you [TS]

00:51:15   made it all the way through the night [TS]

00:51:16   and just wet the bed now i don't [TS]

00:51:19   understand i was like boom [TS]

00:51:22   oops and for the for a long time I you [TS]

00:51:26   know I pulled this scam where I was [TS]

00:51:29   convincing my mom that I don't sleep all [TS]

00:51:32   the way through the night and then just [TS]

00:51:33   pee like two minutes before she was [TS]

00:51:37   that's super interesting and that seemed [TS]

00:51:39   better in your mind because it actually [TS]

00:51:43   kind of seems worse better than being [TS]

00:51:46   woken up in the middle of the night I'll [TS]

00:51:48   alarm and gotten out of bed and you know [TS]

00:51:53   put in the shower and close i mean i [TS]

00:51:56   would much rather sleep through the [TS]

00:51:58   night not now of course now I would i do [TS]

00:52:00   not want to sleep through the night in [TS]

00:52:02   wet pajamas but i have much preferred to [TS]

00:52:06   do it when I was you know 67 years old [TS]

00:52:09   right then than the alternative but also [TS]

00:52:13   you know like waking up the entire house [TS]

00:52:17   at one o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:52:18   not a great feeling yeah I know I would [TS]

00:52:23   never say anything against your family [TS]

00:52:25   combo but but but that seems together i [TS]

00:52:29   mean that's like masturbation minutes or [TS]

00:52:31   something like yeah I was the seventies [TS]

00:52:32   I mean you know there were people [TS]

00:52:33   sitting there kids down and put you know [TS]

00:52:36   giving them like quarter doses of LSD [TS]

00:52:37   and flashing lights at them to see what [TS]

00:52:40   they did they could add your are a [TS]

00:52:41   cleanse they could have you know but but [TS]

00:52:43   that was another thing the bedwetting [TS]

00:52:45   was a thing that kept me from going to [TS]

00:52:47   slumber parties and kept me from going [TS]

00:52:48   over to other kids houses so i think [TS]

00:52:52   that i think that the person that I am [TS]

00:52:54   today is absolutely a product of of the [TS]

00:52:58   person i was at ten or twelve which was [TS]

00:53:02   a kid with a you know I had I had this [TS]

00:53:05   sense of adventure that I have but it [TS]

00:53:09   was in the shell of timidity that was a [TS]

00:53:14   you know that was timidity brought on by [TS]

00:53:17   fear of being exposed as a picky eating [TS]

00:53:21   bedwetting [TS]

00:53:23   [Music] [TS]

00:53:24   thumb sucking kid that played with GI [TS]

00:53:27   Joes until he was 17 know like right I [TS]

00:53:31   was a late bloomer Late Late Late this [TS]

00:53:36   is this is one of those things that it's [TS]

00:53:37   just it seems so obvious which is why it [TS]

00:53:40   must be said which is that I think for [TS]

00:53:42   most of us there are very few people [TS]

00:53:44   that are always looking forward I mean [TS]

00:53:46   if you think about anything that you did [TS]

00:53:47   we do in a given day or a week it is for [TS]

00:53:52   most of us in some way a conscious or [TS]

00:53:56   more often maybe unconscious reaction to [TS]

00:53:58   something that just happened and I mean [TS]

00:54:00   in extreme cases you can think of lots [TS]

00:54:02   of you know examples of that but pretty [TS]

00:54:04   much everything that we're doing you [TS]

00:54:06   know even if it's going out to get half [TS]

00:54:08   and half because we forgot to get half a [TS]

00:54:09   nap [TS]

00:54:10   we're constantly reacting something that [TS]

00:54:11   just happened to Scientology but but I [TS]

00:54:14   mean the thing is that didn't just [TS]

00:54:15   happen this week that's happened every [TS]

00:54:17   week your fucking life [TS]

00:54:18   you're always direct reacting to [TS]

00:54:20   something that just happened before and [TS]

00:54:21   if all of that is happening and that [TS]

00:54:23   goes back 45 years it's still the same [TS]

00:54:25   thing and I mean if you had if one had [TS]

00:54:29   these these things that really helped [TS]

00:54:32   form your personality into a certain way [TS]

00:54:35   you know I it sounds like I don't know [TS]

00:54:37   if the sounds frightening or something [TS]

00:54:38   but I'm not surprised at all to know [TS]

00:54:40   that I mean to know that that that has [TS]

00:54:42   such a long live effect on one who you [TS]

00:54:45   think you are [TS]

00:54:47   and then what you should be doing to [TS]

00:54:48   react to what just happened [TS]

00:54:50   well and and I i think because i felt a [TS]

00:54:54   prisoner of shame like kids shame right [TS]

00:55:01   and not really shame for anything I had [TS]

00:55:03   done but just kids shame of a you know [TS]

00:55:08   of of somebody and I wasn't even afraid [TS]

00:55:11   of kids pointing at me and saying that [TS]

00:55:13   being a bed-wetter I was afraid of [TS]

00:55:14   adults doing it because of course in the [TS]

00:55:18   seventies it is not it is not so far [TS]

00:55:21   outside of the realm of possibility that [TS]

00:55:23   some coach or teacher or friends parent [TS]

00:55:27   would go wow what a little baby so [TS]

00:55:32   living you know living can find [TS]

00:55:36   bye-bye kids shame i was a big part of [TS]

00:55:42   me that what at some point deciding that [TS]

00:55:46   I would that I would have no shit no [TS]

00:55:48   shame or is it would be rather it would [TS]

00:55:50   be impossible to shame me you know what [TS]

00:55:53   I mean that was the that was the key [TS]

00:55:55   that was the that was the moment the [TS]

00:55:58   moment when I realized that the only [TS]

00:55:59   reason you couldn't be gay in the CIA [TS]

00:56:01   was because that though that would give [TS]

00:56:04   the Russians power over you right you're [TS]

00:56:07   already kind of compromise your [TS]

00:56:08   vulnerable you're vulnerable because you [TS]

00:56:10   can be exposed and the idea that that [TS]

00:56:14   and then and I saw that radiating out [TS]

00:56:18   through the world that people were so [TS]

00:56:19   afraid of being exposed that they were [TS]

00:56:22   enslaved not not you know it was not [TS]

00:56:26   hard to enslave another person you just [TS]

00:56:28   find out what they're scared of other [TS]

00:56:30   people knowing and then you hold it over [TS]

00:56:31   there and right i mean structure that a [TS]

00:56:34   person nothing nothing difficult for [TS]

00:56:36   someone to enslave themselves right and [TS]

00:56:39   that's that's this little suddenly it's [TS]

00:56:41   Oprah but I mean you know that that's [TS]

00:56:43   where you end up having this prison of [TS]

00:56:45   your own design your own personal you [TS]

00:56:48   know Penn opticon of shame which you [TS]

00:56:50   dwell and I i think that that I mean I [TS]

00:56:53   think that has ramifications that are [TS]

00:56:55   they go much further than most of us [TS]

00:56:57   like to think I mean you know i mean [TS]

00:56:59   again it sounds like a cliche but you [TS]

00:57:01   know you want to say to kids like what [TS]

00:57:04   you know that guy who's just you know an [TS]

00:57:08   unrepentant bully like we know in [TS]

00:57:11   retrospect now like that poor that mean [TS]

00:57:13   poor kid like probably was getting his [TS]

00:57:15   if he's lucky just getting his ass [TS]

00:57:17   kicked [TS]

00:57:18   yeah it might have been a lot more like [TS]

00:57:20   the fact he's hitting he's not hitting [TS]

00:57:22   you like he's hit knuckle Joe right you [TS]

00:57:25   know i mean or he's hitting his his big [TS]

00:57:27   brother who's getting hit by uncle gel [TS]

00:57:29   I've told you the story of Julius McRae [TS]

00:57:31   I don't know that [TS]

00:57:33   yeah sure shot down and give me a shout [TS]

00:57:35   out to get an A [TS]

00:57:36   I don't understand what makes you want [TS]

00:57:38   to be a gym coach doesn't seem like that [TS]

00:57:42   seems like maybe a third level [TS]

00:57:45   fall back mm you know they're all those [TS]

00:57:47   dads this is the thing that Merlin we [TS]

00:57:49   were not jock so we don't understand the [TS]

00:57:51   power of jock dumb [TS]

00:57:53   yes the people who are engineers you [TS]

00:57:55   know where people you know its people [TS]

00:57:58   who are engineers have troubled thinking [TS]

00:57:59   understanding how people who are not [TS]

00:58:02   engineers think because they understand [TS]

00:58:04   the mechanics of how the universe [TS]

00:58:06   operates at a physics level and so they [TS]

00:58:11   don't understand why people would not [TS]

00:58:12   think the same way that they do right [TS]

00:58:15   they don't understand why nobody can [TS]

00:58:16   read the instruction manual that they [TS]

00:58:18   wrote because strangle the road is [TS]

00:58:21   totally obvious to an engineer dr. [TS]

00:58:23   Strangelove is in there you just haven't [TS]

00:58:25   searched enough services yet and this is [TS]

00:58:27   the thing about jocks and and I'm [TS]

00:58:28   convinced of this jocks are jocks live [TS]

00:58:31   fairly happy lives i think much happier [TS]

00:58:34   than mine because because the they're [TS]

00:58:38   just a the life of a jock is just [TS]

00:58:41   uncomplicated by all this yyyy wandering [TS]

00:58:46   wandering spreading fretting fretting [TS]

00:58:49   about stuff that can't be fixed and you [TS]

00:58:52   know chalk throws the ball catches a [TS]

00:58:54   ball [TS]

00:58:54   there's a feeling of accomplishment [TS]

00:58:55   there it may be is just as real as the [TS]

00:58:58   accomplishment of writing a novel maybe [TS]

00:59:01   just as real as the accomplishment of [TS]

00:59:02   writing a great novel if you catch a [TS]

00:59:04   great touchdown pass and it saves the [TS]

00:59:06   day for the team and the town like what [TS]

00:59:10   could be better than that and a lot of [TS]

00:59:12   these guys who didn't have the didn't [TS]

00:59:16   have the glory for themselves or their [TS]

00:59:19   you know their glory days are behind [TS]

00:59:20   them and they get to work with kids and [TS]

00:59:23   and bask in the reflected glory of young [TS]

00:59:26   people having those experiences i mean [TS]

00:59:28   at that whole world where where there is [TS]

00:59:32   somebody out there right now who has [TS]

00:59:34   reached his career pinnacle and it is it [TS]

00:59:38   is being like secondary teams coach for [TS]

00:59:45   small Midwestern college and you know [TS]

00:59:52   and he's out there it for 50 years on [TS]

00:59:57   the sidelines season after season [TS]

00:59:57   the sidelines season after season [TS]

01:00:00   I mean those seem like a valid and [TS]

01:00:02   poetic beautiful lives i guess and it's [TS]

01:00:05   never a thing i can i can relate to it [TS]

01:00:09   all out all I can picture myself it if [TS]

01:00:12   if if if it was freaky friday and he and [TS]

01:00:15   I switch positions and I'm standing [TS]

01:00:16   there in those polyester pants with the [TS]

01:00:19   wind blowing over my windbreaker [TS]

01:00:21   watching these kids not even the a-team [TS]

01:00:24   but like the you know the secondary [TS]

01:00:27   defense squad and they're running drills [TS]

01:00:29   and ice [TS]

01:00:32   you know I just see myself standing [TS]

01:00:34   there and watching them for like a [TS]

01:00:35   minute and a half and then looking [TS]

01:00:36   around wondering where the bus station [TS]

01:00:38   is and it but people devote their whole [TS]

01:00:42   lives to it and I might you know my dad [TS]

01:00:45   I think would have been happier guy if [TS]

01:00:48   he had just followed sports if he had [TS]

01:00:52   just followed the sports thread of his [TS]

01:00:55   young life and it found a way to stay in [TS]

01:00:58   sports [TS]

01:01:00   um without all the pressure of trying to [TS]

01:01:03   make a difference and trying to settle [TS]

01:01:06   the disputes with labor unions if he had [TS]

01:01:09   just so you know been in that clear-cut [TS]

01:01:11   world of like the dispute is that your [TS]

01:01:15   team is against our team and the [TS]

01:01:17   disputes is benefiting in law and [TS]

01:01:19   politics which is never resolved right [TS]

01:01:22   and you like you have a victory on that [TS]

01:01:24   Tuesday night and then the real work [TS]

01:01:26   begins and you start over or in-law [TS]

01:01:29   I mean it's just all shades and subtlety [TS]

01:01:31   yeah I couldn't do that but you know [TS]

01:01:33   here's one thing you think about think [TS]

01:01:35   about like without my chocks and I mean [TS]

01:01:37   I think we think this from at least in [TS]

01:01:39   my mind like the the jock thing goes way [TS]

01:01:41   beyond who's on the field playing sports [TS]

01:01:43   because you know football teams are big [TS]

01:01:45   if you you know it's yours whatever 11 [TS]

01:01:47   people on each side of the field at a [TS]

01:01:49   time [TS]

01:01:49   it's one of you there that and it's i'm [TS]

01:01:52   speaking phonetically but but you know [TS]

01:01:54   what is it 11 people i think so yeah it [TS]

01:01:57   doesn't look at 11 offensive and [TS]

01:01:58   defensive name faces that right 11 a [TS]

01:02:02   little weird number why 1100 all sports [TS]

01:02:05   are done in in Muslim prime numbers [TS]

01:02:07   interesting something that you love [TS]

01:02:10   basketball team [TS]

01:02:11   on a team or on the court at a time [TS]

01:02:14   there are there are there are five [TS]

01:02:16   people from the basketball team on the [TS]

01:02:19   court at a time but you can have as many [TS]

01:02:21   people on the team as you want [TS]

01:02:23   I think so you can have what they call a [TS]

01:02:25   deep bench how many people are on a [TS]

01:02:26   soccer team other on the columns is it [TS]

01:02:30   is it as a prime number [TS]

01:02:32   you know I'm not gonna look but i'm [TS]

01:02:36   going to say what you get you forward to [TS]

01:02:38   get your Center you get your bags 567 [TS]

01:02:43   anything is even if you don't let's take [TS]

01:02:45   it as read there's 40 to 60 people on [TS]

01:02:48   the football team in high school which i [TS]

01:02:50   think is probably still a little high [TS]

01:02:51   there's a ton more people than that that [TS]

01:02:54   see themselves as jocks and act like [TS]

01:02:55   jocks and you could be i'm just going to [TS]

01:02:57   stay with all due respect to lard asses [TS]

01:03:00   there are so many lard-ass men in this [TS]

01:03:02   area walking around in era like official [TS]

01:03:06   Giants or you know or worthless say this [TS]

01:03:09   for steam 49ers jerseys are walking [TS]

01:03:12   around and the RNA that delivers their [TS]

01:03:14   fat like fuck in a giant official jersey [TS]

01:03:17   and then they are there they know [TS]

01:03:19   everybody in a first-name basis they [TS]

01:03:20   talk about all of them so I mean the [TS]

01:03:22   apartment not to eat Hodgins played here [TS]

01:03:24   but i think this jock thing goes way [TS]

01:03:26   beyond victory on the field and I wonder [TS]

01:03:28   if a lot of those people who want you to [TS]

01:03:29   shower down to get an A [TS]

01:03:31   we're not like the quarterback I feel [TS]

01:03:33   like you're I feel like you're feeling [TS]

01:03:35   that job shouldn't be fat is the same as [TS]

01:03:37   my feeling that Christians should smoke [TS]

01:03:39   pot oh let me think about that there are [TS]

01:03:45   a lot of fat jocks yeah yeah but i'm not [TS]

01:03:49   talking about i'm not like i'm talking [TS]

01:03:50   about coming by it honestly but I'm [TS]

01:03:52   talking about like the Association you [TS]

01:03:55   know it's kind of like kind of like [TS]

01:03:56   girls who like when a dress up like [TS]

01:03:57   people they've seen us magazine and then [TS]

01:04:00   talk like people on TV you know that [TS]

01:04:02   have been like like inherently wrong [TS]

01:04:04   with that i guess but it's it's no [TS]

01:04:06   different really than like the [TS]

01:04:07   management the bad management of a [TS]

01:04:09   company hiring more people who are like [TS]

01:04:11   them like it's this self-replicating [TS]

01:04:13   pattern of willful dumb fuckery that [TS]

01:04:17   makes me lose my mind anyway I [TS]

01:04:19   understand coaches and the shorts [TS]

01:04:22   they had always had to find jobs that [TS]

01:04:24   are high school I think we might have [TS]

01:04:25   mentioned this once but I had my high [TS]

01:04:27   school we talked by talking about this [TS]

01:04:29   on the mr. Finelli episode but remember [TS]

01:04:31   my high school they had to come up with [TS]

01:04:33   some heat with phony baloney jobs for [TS]

01:04:35   all the coaches i'm sure they're all [TS]

01:04:37   history teachers are social studies [TS]

01:04:38   teachers well I mean in some cases yes [TS]

01:04:41   the drivers at teacher was no one here [TS]

01:04:44   is the text history as a as a pursuit [TS]

01:04:47   and give them a coach because the coach [TS]

01:04:49   is always the history teacher and he's [TS]

01:04:51   always like that uh through French [TS]

01:04:53   Revolution when the soccer coach taught [TS]

01:04:55   taught in school suspension sounds like [TS]

01:04:59   about those a class you guys okay this [TS]

01:05:01   is officially a faculty member because [TS]

01:05:03   he sat in a silent room for six hours [TS]

01:05:06   today watching people who got in a fight [TS]

01:05:07   is it called it you must have been a [TS]

01:05:11   real you must well he was a soccer coach [TS]

01:05:13   was gonna say what a what a Buddhist but [TS]

01:05:16   you don't look like somebody who looks a [TS]

01:05:18   lot like somebody who would like listen [TS]

01:05:22   to Peter Frampton and follow lady to her [TS]

01:05:24   car not getting a good way to get a [TS]

01:05:28   little close to home there buddy [TS]

01:05:29   which pocket can i get your big Frampton [TS]

01:05:33   fan i'm not i know i know i know you [TS]

01:05:37   know the first time I ever heard [TS]

01:05:38   Frampton turns uh comes alive [TS]

01:05:41   that's what started the trick returns [TS]

01:05:44   alive was also the first time i ever saw [TS]

01:05:47   somebody like a fart it's true i was [TS]

01:05:57   over at this kids house and he had big [TS]

01:05:58   brothers and they were playing comes [TS]

01:06:01   alive and they're like want to see [TS]

01:06:02   something cool [TS]

01:06:03   ok hopefully a little okay don't get [TS]

01:06:05   down like i do one of these of the goal [TS]

01:06:07   and let his part [TS]

01:06:10   mm that's living that's right learn the [TS]

01:06:13   a major seventh chord i'm not sure i [TS]

01:06:17   still know it [TS]

01:06:18   oh it's like it's like an able to drop [TS]

01:06:20   the middle one [TS]

01:06:21   oh right oh yeah great for it's a great [TS]

01:06:24   core it's the official court of the [TS]

01:06:26   nineteen seventies and even you if you [TS]

01:06:29   play pretty much anything as a as a [TS]

01:06:32   major 7th you I it invokes the seventies [TS]

01:06:35   right all right [TS]

01:06:36   well i'm going to give that a try since [TS]

01:06:38   we're soon as I i lose you today [TS]

01:06:41   yeah I like it was just out of reach [TS]

01:06:43   lucky you [TS]

01:06:44   so we got to see them that should be the [TS]

01:06:47   name of my autobiography my guitars just [TS]

01:06:49   out of reach the buyer for the last [TS]

01:06:52   seven years finished up it's on my good [TS]

01:06:57   friend will Johnson of the band centrum [TS]

01:06:59   attic last night and he has i have no [TS]

01:07:02   doubt has put out 12 albums since the [TS]

01:07:04   last long winters record i can be so [TS]

01:07:06   fucking annoying and then you have to [TS]

01:07:07   talk to him when you know he's your [TS]

01:07:10   friend and you like him but is there [TS]

01:07:12   some part of you that wants to be [TS]

01:07:13   wetting the bed while the the problem is [TS]

01:07:15   that he and Davis on my wrist and around [TS]

01:07:17   in a circle and Davis on you know place [TS]

01:07:19   200 road shows a year and will probably [TS]

01:07:24   you know does close to that or or a [TS]

01:07:27   wilson 10 bands and puts out for records [TS]

01:07:29   a year and we're all talking shop but [TS]

01:07:33   there was a time 10 years ago when we [TS]

01:07:37   would be standing around talking shop [TS]

01:07:38   and we all had it we all had very [TS]

01:07:42   duplicatable experiences you know we [TS]

01:07:45   were doing the same thing and now we're [TS]

01:07:47   stand around and they're like yeah so [TS]

01:07:49   anyway you know that you know you know [TS]

01:07:51   Jimmy's Chicken Shack down in Las [TS]

01:07:54   Colello Florida oh yeah I hit that place [TS]

01:07:57   or whatever and I'm standing there like [TS]

01:07:59   hey I've given some keynote speeches [TS]

01:08:03   about for you guys [TS]

01:08:07   ah well what about those keynotes right [TS]

01:08:10   am i right [TS]

01:08:11   hey got a new keyboard hurt yeah and [TS]

01:08:13   they're like huh anyway [TS]

01:08:15   no just your you're just preceding that [TS]

01:08:19   I know you're doing it for comedic [TS]

01:08:20   effect here I'm sure but you're just [TS]

01:08:22   preceding that I I even if you are being [TS]

01:08:25   honest i think you you're kidding right [TS]

01:08:27   well a little bit i mean but but there [TS]

01:08:30   is that thing of like why don't you know [TS]

01:08:31   we look at each other it's like oh man [TS]

01:08:33   we used to play so many shows together [TS]

01:08:35   we played any shows lately and then [TS]

01:08:39   there's there's silence you have a chem [TS]

01:08:41   trails and then it's like all right it's [TS]

01:08:44   me i'm the reason we haven't played any [TS]

01:08:46   shows chair of the consummate god dammit [TS]

01:08:49   John fucking Roderick you've evolved [TS]

01:08:51   yeah you're sitting around like why am i [TS]

01:08:53   not throw my monkey bone in the air and [TS]

01:08:54   having it turn into a spaceship and I'm [TS]

01:08:56   telling you you are the spaceship you [TS]

01:08:59   come you're how i gave my first [TS]

01:09:01   powerpoint presentation yesterday [TS]

01:09:03   oh shit really yeah I didn't do it be [TS]

01:09:06   pitching vc's know i was at EMP the [TS]

01:09:09   experience music project is definitely [TS]

01:09:13   have a deck on my honey's van it was it [TS]

01:09:16   was called it was that's the pop [TS]

01:09:18   conference where intellectuals and uh [TS]

01:09:20   and journalists journalists get together [TS]

01:09:23   to talk about pop music as though it is [TS]

01:09:26   a serious academic discipline chair [TS]

01:09:28   which kind of you neither [TS]

01:09:30   ok but i was there to talk about [TS]

01:09:32   weathering the storm the fallout of my [TS]

01:09:36   punk rock article so they wanted me they [TS]

01:09:40   wanted me to have a PowerPoint [TS]

01:09:41   presentation to go along with my speed [TS]

01:09:44   shit and I was like I don't know [TS]

01:09:46   anything about that and they were like [TS]

01:09:48   how it's easy and they sent me a bunch [TS]

01:09:49   of templates in emails that i didn't [TS]

01:09:51   open it send the judge the day before [TS]

01:09:55   the day before I was giving the talk was [TS]

01:09:58   like oh right [TS]

01:09:59   powerpoint thing so I there's a gal that [TS]

01:10:03   works over at the grammy Oh awards where [TS]

01:10:08   i'm also on the board and so I sent an [TS]

01:10:11   email and I was like will you [TS]

01:10:12   you know about powerpoints and she was [TS]

01:10:14   like and I said we make me a powerpoint [TS]

01:10:16   and she said for what I said I'm giving [TS]

01:10:19   this speech she said I know but I mean [TS]

01:10:21   what do you want me to like we should [TS]

01:10:23   get together and talk about this [TS]

01:10:24   PowerPoint thing and i said no i don't [TS]

01:10:26   need to see it just the best i'll be [TS]

01:10:28   like being called thinking can make me a [TS]

01:10:30   song [TS]

01:10:31   yeah basically that I'm and I was like [TS]

01:10:33   just make me a powerpoint demonstration [TS]

01:10:35   that's X number of minutes long that has [TS]

01:10:37   pictures of punk rockers and punk rock [TS]

01:10:40   and she was like well yeah I mean I [TS]

01:10:43   didn't really like your article very [TS]

01:10:44   much and I was like perfect [TS]

01:10:47   so I got up and I gave this speech with [TS]

01:10:49   a powerpoint demonstration going behind [TS]

01:10:50   me where the slides were programmed to [TS]

01:10:53   change every 15 seconds and i had never [TS]

01:10:56   seen it before and I still haven't seen [TS]

01:10:57   that you're kidding [TS]

01:10:59   because i wasn't looking at what that's [TS]

01:11:00   my bed waiting right there that is that [TS]

01:11:02   is a terrifying idea enemy and the only [TS]

01:11:05   the only advice I gave her was at the [TS]

01:11:07   but i would like the last slide the one [TS]

01:11:09   that's that hangs up there because of [TS]

01:11:11   that inevitably i will go over my lot of [TS]

01:11:13   time so the last light is just going to [TS]

01:11:15   sit there all afternoon while I keep [TS]

01:11:18   talking i wanted to say fuck you that [TS]

01:11:24   she did it but she will she took time [TS]

01:11:28   out of her day to do that for you [TS]

01:11:30   yeah so i gave this PowerPoint [TS]

01:11:32   demonstration we're all these pictures [TS]

01:11:33   of sitting Nancy or whatever we're [TS]

01:11:35   flashing behind the screen tells got a [TS]

01:11:37   horrible powerpoint it was terrible and [TS]

01:11:40   then at the end I mean it was great [TS]

01:11:42   because it was terrible because i was i [TS]

01:11:44   was talking about depends i wasn't [TS]

01:11:47   defending I didn't defend my mom can you [TS]

01:11:50   just have somebody with sink stoppers in [TS]

01:11:52   their areas like slowly flip through an [TS]

01:11:55   enemy or like a maximum R&R while you're [TS]

01:11:57   up and basically what it was that's [TS]

01:11:59   basically it's like just get a barista [TS]

01:12:00   and overhead protect ya that's [TS]

01:12:03   essentially what it was but then the [TS]

01:12:04   last slide said fuck you and I have been [TS]

01:12:06   for the last 15 minutes i just talked [TS]

01:12:07   over the slides and fuck you have you [TS]

01:12:09   practiced it and you're like rehearsed [TS]

01:12:10   it with time and everything [TS]

01:12:12   oh no no no I improvised it because as I [TS]

01:12:15   say I gave no thought to it until I [TS]

01:12:17   arrived but you understand you [TS]

01:12:19   understand my mind my questions [TS]

01:12:21   it's that thatthat's wow how was the [TS]

01:12:24   reception was uh yet you know i like to [TS]

01:12:29   give impromptu speeches who and [TS]

01:12:33   generally the response is good because [TS]

01:12:36   some people people Larkin you're in [TS]

01:12:40   you're very entertaining and I haven't [TS]

01:12:42   done a lot of public speaking but i but [TS]

01:12:44   i will just say that I think slides John [TS]

01:12:47   i heard this a long time ago and I kind [TS]

01:12:50   of don't want to say it to you because I [TS]

01:12:51   I don't want to lose this awesome [TS]

01:12:53   analogy that I have to mention is not [TS]

01:12:56   correct [TS]

01:12:56   but I've heard it said that the only [TS]

01:12:58   people who really need polls when they [TS]

01:13:02   ski are beginners and experts that the [TS]

01:13:06   typical moderate level skier doesn't [TS]

01:13:09   really need the polls to ski interesting [TS]

01:13:12   yeah I don't think you need poles to ski [TS]

01:13:15   I don't mean even an expert doesn't a [TS]

01:13:18   beginner really doesn't either but okay [TS]

01:13:21   stop right there [TS]

01:13:21   good thing I don't ruin it ok no just [TS]

01:13:24   just cause it's so good anyway you take [TS]

01:13:26   the analogy in you know writ large right [TS]

01:13:28   to me that's that slides you know you [TS]

01:13:31   you you know when you are up there and [TS]

01:13:34   you're nervous you don't know what [TS]

01:13:35   you're saying I don't mean to talk about [TS]

01:13:36   my actual job that I have but when [TS]

01:13:39   people do that would make it up there [TS]

01:13:40   they're making the classic mistakes [TS]

01:13:42   they've got a bunch of bullshit slides [TS]

01:13:43   with tiny tiny letters on it and they're [TS]

01:13:46   doing the rookie mistake of reading off [TS]

01:13:47   the slides right into me like when you [TS]

01:13:50   get really good you come up with the [TS]

01:13:52   super polished that to me I knew my [TS]

01:13:55   slides got better when they didn't make [TS]

01:13:57   any sense on their own sure and like it [TS]

01:14:01   is to really frustrate me when people [TS]

01:14:03   first of all demand slides and I would [TS]

01:14:05   wish I had your last slide to send them [TS]

01:14:06   because I would be like you know it's [TS]

01:14:09   well yeah okay some your deck like what [TS]

01:14:11   you want my deck only want to put in the [TS]

01:14:13   binder we were planning on putting the [TS]

01:14:15   vine binder is something people but [TS]

01:14:16   that's what people i mean i'd get 100 [TS]

01:14:18   yeah but maybe that's what they do with [TS]

01:14:21   these things you go oh and you see [TS]

01:14:23   someone get me started that somebody [TS]

01:14:25   could sit and just open the binder [TS]

01:14:26   before the thing even starts read [TS]

01:14:28   through all the slides yes and then [TS]

01:14:30   there are done and then a person gets up [TS]

01:14:33   and reads the slides allowed um it could [TS]

01:14:37   be but let's say you've got the greatest [TS]

01:14:39   talk in the world think about this how [TS]

01:14:41   about this how about how about you're [TS]

01:14:43   about to go and I don't have an example [TS]

01:14:46   where you would go somewhere prestigious [TS]

01:14:48   22 like CS three-song set but imagine [TS]

01:14:51   that you went up to do your three best [TS]

01:14:52   songs and right before you went out they [TS]

01:14:56   handed out the lyrics to all the songs [TS]

01:15:00   to the audience stapled together along [TS]

01:15:03   with maybe a biography now if you're the [TS]

01:15:05   typical person in that audience what are [TS]

01:15:07   you going to be doing well somebody [TS]

01:15:09   that you've never heard is performing a [TS]

01:15:11   song at all the following along yeah [TS]

01:15:13   thatthat's you'll be reading the lyrics [TS]

01:15:15   but you'll be you'll be flipping through [TS]

01:15:18   looking at all this and it's like having [TS]

01:15:20   somebody the fucking script for the [TS]

01:15:22   godfather to like right before the movie [TS]

01:15:24   roles good guy you know before you go [TS]

01:15:27   into this building will give you the [TS]

01:15:28   blueprint [TS]

01:15:29   well that's not the thing I gotta hate [TS]

01:15:31   selling diva about this but like it too [TS]

01:15:33   but and that's why to me it's so funny i [TS]

01:15:35   would send people as well fine here you [TS]

01:15:37   go here's my slides have fun and it [TS]

01:15:40   would be likely no sense at all they're [TS]

01:15:42   just know there's one that's a picture [TS]

01:15:43   of a cardboard box there's another one [TS]

01:15:46   that's a douchebag making to Devil's [TS]

01:15:48   horns invites his lower lip and that's [TS]

01:15:51   it you know have fun here's 20 flights [TS]

01:15:52   are you up [TS]

01:15:53   how's that working out love it yeah so I [TS]

01:15:56   mean that's that's the problem [TS]

01:15:58   this is like I've said several podcast [TS]

01:16:00   about this how crazy making it is to me [TS]

01:16:03   that and like I don't know there's [TS]

01:16:05   there's probably this is probably [TS]

01:16:06   actually emblematic of a lot of cultures [TS]

01:16:08   where there's this shittiness of [TS]

01:16:11   presentation culture that is so deeply [TS]

01:16:13   ingrained in not only the people who [TS]

01:16:15   give the talks and not really even need [TS]

01:16:17   the people who have to suffer the talks [TS]

01:16:19   but in the people who put on the tox em [TS]

01:16:22   right and so I've been places where I'm [TS]

01:16:23   expected to stand somewhere I didn't [TS]

01:16:26   talk a year or two ago where and you [TS]

01:16:28   know I when i trihard my slides are [TS]

01:16:30   pretty good but I was at a place where I [TS]

01:16:32   was expected to first hand them a PDF [TS]

01:16:35   because they couldn't handle having like [TS]

01:16:37   you know a keynote file with all the [TS]

01:16:39   bills and stuff so I'm going to a PDF [TS]

01:16:41   and then I had a remote right to change [TS]

01:16:43   the slide [TS]

01:16:44   except that remote actually send a [TS]

01:16:45   signal to someone that turn on a light [TS]

01:16:47   to let this guy in another room no to [TS]

01:16:49   advance the slide [TS]

01:16:50   whoa so so imagine that you had cards [TS]

01:16:53   that you would hold up to let someone [TS]

01:16:55   know which chords to fret [TS]

01:16:58   wow that's how i felt and so I said sure [TS]

01:17:01   I did what I end up doing about eighty [TS]

01:17:02   percent of time which is I want you know [TS]

01:17:04   what this Lots right because because you [TS]

01:17:07   know you can do it right or don't do [TS]

01:17:09   this is really boring but I i think it's [TS]

01:17:11   AII but you know it does get to [TS]

01:17:13   something that was driving me crazy [TS]

01:17:14   which is like but the shittiness of a [TS]

01:17:16   culture becomes you have these ruts like [TS]

01:17:19   truly arrived [TS]

01:17:20   like if you imagine wagons going down a [TS]

01:17:22   road pretty much get 50 wagons going on [TS]

01:17:24   a road there's gonna be some pretty deep [TS]

01:17:26   ruts that those wheels create and it's [TS]

01:17:29   going to be really hard to not have your [TS]

01:17:31   wagon go into this and that's exactly [TS]

01:17:32   what it is n times interesting to use a [TS]

01:17:34   wagon as a rep producer but this we were [TS]

01:17:37   talking about skiing earlier and it [TS]

01:17:38   seems like skiing would be the way that [TS]

01:17:41   you got to the cut to the right [TS]

01:17:43   description i'm going to explain rest of [TS]

01:17:46   my daughter two days ago with what we [TS]

01:17:48   scoot together with soot and I was [TS]

01:17:50   telling her about rats [TS]

01:17:51   yeah rights are rights are a major [TS]

01:17:53   features like you're a teachable moment [TS]

01:17:56   like i can't i could talk for five [TS]

01:17:57   minutes about ruts but they don't really [TS]

01:17:59   become clear until you experience them [TS]

01:18:02   you sure especially if you're going over [TS]

01:18:03   ruts the wrong way oh yeah you like a [TS]

01:18:06   lady and high heels [TS]

01:18:07   yeah well this is a thing there's a [TS]

01:18:08   thing on it on a wagon ruts it's not [TS]

01:18:12   like you're gonna it's not like you want [TS]

01:18:13   to take a different line on your way to [TS]

01:18:15   oregon right here wagon ruts you're [TS]

01:18:18   going to get into ruts you're going to [TS]

01:18:19   go but in skiing ruts getting ruts get [TS]

01:18:22   dug in and then you want to go a [TS]

01:18:24   different way but they're these ruts in [TS]

01:18:26   the way Barry and I could go on Ron I am [TS]

01:18:31   wish avoid the Holocaust this is a [TS]

01:18:37   documentary on Hollywood's treatment of [TS]

01:18:40   primarily the Holocaust but also a [TS]

01:18:42   little bit of pre-war stuff and they [TS]

01:18:44   talked about you know this one scene in [TS]

01:18:46   Sophie's Choice where Meryl Streep is [TS]

01:18:49   doing this [TS]

01:18:49   really aww she's very she's walking [TS]

01:18:51   across the camp is it is what's right [TS]

01:18:53   I never saw circuit now is it a [TS]

01:18:56   holocaust movie I once thought it was [TS]

01:18:58   about horses [TS]

01:19:00   it totally sounds like a horse movie so [TS]

01:19:02   these choices about horses and she's as [TS]

01:19:05   credits on this dialogue thought it was [TS]

01:19:07   like National Velvet shower and you [TS]

01:19:09   actually turns out my friend flicka was [TS]

01:19:11   about the state land but I didn't see [TS]

01:19:14   that movie there anyway but she's got [TS]

01:19:16   this really peculiar gate [TS]

01:19:19   she's walking very very strange that [TS]

01:19:21   basically in the middle of this federal [TS]

01:19:22   street or or illustrate your brown horse [TS]

01:19:25   I shouldn't said gate sorry my bad but [TS]

01:19:27   on in her character is you know of [TS]

01:19:29   course she's very ill and she [TS]

01:19:31   walking across the ground meat you know [TS]

01:19:34   being kind of let along by this you know [TS]

01:19:35   one of those me now shirts ladies and [TS]

01:19:38   and she has very odd like a it's a very [TS]

01:19:42   memorable when you see it but this very [TS]

01:19:44   strange like kind of swaying like almost [TS]

01:19:49   like she's about to fall over kind of [TS]

01:19:51   drunken master sort of way of walking [TS]

01:19:52   and they hired people and consultants [TS]

01:19:55   because they really wanted to get every [TS]

01:19:57   you know detail day they could write and [TS]

01:20:00   she wasn't doing that simply because she [TS]

01:20:01   was malnourished she was doing that [TS]

01:20:03   because there's like several inches of [TS]

01:20:05   mud in the camp and you would make every [TS]

01:20:08   attempt that you could follow the [TS]

01:20:10   footsteps of other people in the mud so [TS]

01:20:13   that you wouldn't get bogged down or or [TS]

01:20:16   fall down in the mud right it's like [TS]

01:20:18   it's like snow also watched three movies [TS]

01:20:23   about anti-semitic propaganda the other [TS]

01:20:26   name that we're not about the they were [TS]

01:20:30   not also about the Holocaust I guess [TS]

01:20:33   given that one was made by Hitler who is [TS]

01:20:38   the is the dribbler Hitler and Hitler [TS]

01:20:42   was the propagation of similar similar [TS]

01:20:44   that mr. filter welcome to give any [TS]

01:20:51   therapist howard county and the internet [TS]

01:20:56   money fight on are off-limits but anyway [TS]

01:20:59   uh so that's why people walk that way at [TS]

01:21:01   Auschwitz right all the brothers ideas [TS]

01:21:04   that actually to document you know what [TS]

01:21:05   nevermind [TS]

01:21:06   yeah you know I i was feeling the other [TS]

01:21:10   day that you know when we talk about [TS]

01:21:13   Semites it's all the people of Arabia [TS]

01:21:18   and the Levant all of the Arabs are also [TS]

01:21:21   Semitic people poop right we we never [TS]

01:21:25   stay but anti-semite only refers to Jews [TS]

01:21:29   well oh ok.what while I take a minute to [TS]

01:21:32   look up a Twitter to you had yesterday [TS]

01:21:35   tell me what that means by semi-tight [TS]

01:21:38   i'm not familiar [TS]

01:21:40   I thought Semitic meant Jewish [TS]

01:21:42   no Semitic is a description of a [TS]

01:21:45   language group the Semitic no shit [TS]

01:21:48   yeah our arabic and Aramaic i am a total [TS]

01:21:53   pike right i mean work ping-pong have a [TS]

01:21:54   piker as a as a Holocaust scholar i [TS]

01:21:57   could not know that [TS]

01:21:58   yeah and Hebrew all these are a language [TS]

01:22:01   group that are one of the endo Sam sem [TS]

01:22:05   but right here you go from the Latin you [TS]

01:22:09   know you digging in [TS]

01:22:10   oh fuck so all of those people are [TS]

01:22:13   called Semites as a because because they [TS]

01:22:17   all share a common language group and [TS]

01:22:22   then I think anti-semite only became a [TS]

01:22:26   only became more of a targeted reference [TS]

01:22:29   to Jews in the in the 19th century um [TS]

01:22:34   during that whole period sort of mid [TS]

01:22:38   eighteen hundreds when the Germans were [TS]

01:22:40   really really wrestling with how how to [TS]

01:22:44   integrate to choose into their culture [TS]

01:22:46   that they decided not to [TS]

01:22:49   spoiler alert but so Arabs are Semitic [TS]

01:22:54   people also and all of this anti-arab [TS]

01:22:58   talk in America that we have been [TS]

01:23:01   soaking in for the last and I'm sorry [TS]

01:23:03   that Arab Arab or Muslim well era [TS]

01:23:08   because this gets me back to your toot [TS]

01:23:10   what did I say in my 2 i'm sorry i'm [TS]

01:23:12   double interrupting you don't remember [TS]

01:23:14   all this that happened after 9-11 was [TS]

01:23:17   like sikhs were being beat up right i [TS]

01:23:20   mean there's this entire Venn diagram of [TS]

01:23:23   confusion about who we were supposed to [TS]

01:23:25   be mad at sure anybody with the turban [TS]

01:23:27   but of course seeks couldn't be further [TS]

01:23:28   like what like indian and pakistani guys [TS]

01:23:31   like it and hassle to I mean it got [TS]

01:23:33   pretty bananas for a while right well [TS]

01:23:35   pakistani guys might have had it coming [TS]

01:23:37   but indian guys not so much huh [TS]

01:23:40   even even though it's a kind of bullying [TS]

01:23:42   clairvoyance even though Indians and [TS]

01:23:44   Pakistanis are very similar racially [TS]

01:23:47   they have very different religions [TS]

01:23:51   could be so could you eyeball a [TS]

01:23:53   Pakistani vs Indian well but there are [TS]

01:23:57   like seven hundred different racial [TS]

01:23:59   groups in India you should be in the [TS]

01:24:01   fucking cabinet John nine hours ago John [TS]

01:24:04   erotic remember that a Chechen is not a [TS]

01:24:07   check i actually ever ever read your [TS]

01:24:08   Twitter sometimes remember that it's [TS]

01:24:10   Chechen is not a check [TS]

01:24:11   norwich ethnic normal avian in Moldavia [TS]

01:24:14   and / moldovan or a Mon Rodian Nora [TS]

01:24:18   Roman Roma or romanian right and as with [TS]

01:24:22   me if I may say I can't believe you fit [TS]

01:24:24   that many fucking letters into a two-up [TS]

01:24:27   but you testify thinking that satisfy [TS]

01:24:29   your exemplifying like a an unbelievable [TS]

01:24:34   error that will make including me right [TS]

01:24:36   you know well yeah so just so there's no [TS]

01:24:39   Chechnya [TS]

01:24:40   oh I don't have to show ya [TS]

01:24:44   instead I should tell you John there is [TS]

01:24:48   one way in which i am so and it's really [TS]

01:24:57   hard can be hard to believe there's one [TS]

01:24:58   way in which i am I don't even own a TV [TS]

01:25:01   guy which is about the news right and i [TS]

01:25:05   am that guy first of all in the way that [TS]

01:25:07   like I actually don't follow the news [TS]

01:25:08   but i'm also that guy in constantly [TS]

01:25:10   letting you know that I don't follow the [TS]

01:25:11   news so I have I i literally go out of [TS]

01:25:15   my way if you could see my filling my [TS]

01:25:18   filter file on tweek pot actually slows [TS]

01:25:20   my computer down 10 it there's no way [TS]

01:25:23   you can you can't prove a negative and [TS]

01:25:25   there's no way you could begin to [TS]

01:25:27   visualize how many things i never see [TS]

01:25:29   anywhere but so Chechnya is part of the [TS]

01:25:32   actual capital R Russia well so that [TS]

01:25:36   area so we're about these countries and [TS]

01:25:38   after hearing about these countries in [TS]

01:25:39   the news all the time [TS]

01:25:40   Armenia Azerbaijan Georgia [TS]

01:25:45   right those are those are areas where [TS]

01:25:47   the Russians have been fighting wars for [TS]

01:25:52   a long time because they are these [TS]

01:25:54   untamed areas between the Black Sea and [TS]

01:25:59   the Caspian Sea at the very south end of [TS]

01:26:02   what we think of as Russia but it isn't [TS]

01:26:04   Russia really at all they are the they [TS]

01:26:08   are the people there are a lot of them [TS]

01:26:10   are Muslims they're there they're [TS]

01:26:12   related to like Persians and Turks and [TS]

01:26:19   they were conquered by the Russians back [TS]

01:26:21   in the day multiple different times in [TS]

01:26:24   ways but they live up in the mountains [TS]

01:26:26   they are Caucasian people because those [TS]

01:26:30   are literally the caucus snare Isis [TS]

01:26:33   mountainous but the they are not they [TS]

01:26:37   are not ethnically russian they are they [TS]

01:26:39   are very much like descendants of [TS]

01:26:43   genghis khan and and they are mad and [TS]

01:26:51   Chechnya is this weird little landlocked [TS]

01:26:55   mountain readout up there that doesn't [TS]

01:27:00   want to be in Russia anymore it's not [TS]

01:27:02   really a self-sustaining place [TS]

01:27:05   surrounded by Russians and mountains and [TS]

01:27:12   it's ruled by an autocratic dictator who [TS]

01:27:16   thinks that he is god like a lot of [TS]

01:27:19   those places you talk about Turkmenistan [TS]

01:27:20   well turkmenistan has it bad check ice [TS]

01:27:23   crossing turkey that guy's amazing [TS]

01:27:26   administration whose becca Stan and [TS]

01:27:28   Kazakh Stan and Tajikistan are all on [TS]

01:27:32   the other side of the Caspian Sea and [TS]

01:27:34   they're much more like steps you know [TS]

01:27:38   they're much more like horse horse [TS]

01:27:40   people those are the horse-riding people [TS]

01:27:42   the long 15 us that name all the months [TS]

01:27:46   after himself [TS]

01:27:47   yeah he's built that he's built a couple [TS]

01:27:49   of Brazilians like big towns out in the [TS]

01:27:52   middle of nowhere that are littered full [TS]

01:27:54   of pyramids and globes giant gold gold [TS]

01:27:57   globes [TS]

01:27:58   but so that area is very interesting now [TS]

01:28:02   more Arabia is is a half of the Czech [TS]

01:28:10   Republic so the czech republic is made [TS]

01:28:13   up of bohemia and moravia which are two [TS]

01:28:16   regions that we don't think of their out [TS]

01:28:19   separate countries and never were but [TS]

01:28:20   they are two kingdoms i guess and the [TS]

01:28:24   Bohemians and the meridians feel [TS]

01:28:25   differently about each other they're [TS]

01:28:27   United in a kind of contempt for the [TS]

01:28:29   Slovakian now moldova used to be part of [TS]

01:28:35   Romania and they speak Romanian but it [TS]

01:28:40   was absorbed into be Ukraine and so [TS]

01:28:42   became my god John it's like they're [TS]

01:28:45   trying to fuck with us they change the [TS]

01:28:46   alphabet of the Romanian language into [TS]

01:28:49   cyrillic so the Moldovan 'he's which [TS]

01:28:54   that country also before it was called [TS]

01:28:56   moldova it was called Mordovia but had [TS]

01:29:02   that region is now a separate country [TS]

01:29:05   where they speak Romanian but they but [TS]

01:29:09   they spell it with russian letters and [TS]

01:29:16   so all of these places are probably [TS]

01:29:18   going to erupt in war and everyone will [TS]

01:29:20   be sent to camps i am yeah you hear more [TS]

01:29:28   about there's a anti-semitic sorry aunty [TS]

01:29:31   she the anti-gm movies now now you don't [TS]

01:29:34   yet but i mean like the one you still [TS]

01:29:35   see today that's a pretty funny so [TS]

01:29:37   Georgia I mean setting aside the white [TS]

01:29:39   album and who my mind the my daughter [TS]

01:29:44   loves that song how cool is that she's [TS]

01:29:46   here now repeat your daughter is cool to [TS]

01:29:48   turn into that's gets are you know about [TS]

01:29:54   the importance of happiness is a warm [TS]

01:29:55   gun aware of how important that song is [TS]

01:29:57   to you personally or to the world to the [TS]

01:30:00   Beatles [TS]

01:30:01   it was the last song they had fun making [TS]

01:30:04   really yeah you know like we talked [TS]

01:30:08   before about that does outtakes from and [TS]

01:30:10   your bird can sing you can hear how high [TS]

01:30:12   they were and like they're laughing I [TS]

01:30:14   mean they're super duper high right [TS]

01:30:16   there soon want to say I don't sound [TS]

01:30:19   public broadcast sure the sea [TS]

01:30:21   hey might still have you it's fun it's [TS]

01:30:24   really done that's gonna happen camera [TS]

01:30:26   and his podcast has a bullet when I [TS]

01:30:29   could have the doctor and they put the [TS]

01:30:30   piece of paper in front of me ever done [TS]

01:30:33   any drugs or smoke cigarettes and I'm [TS]

01:30:34   like no way haha I'm not telling you [TS]

01:30:37   buddy [TS]

01:30:39   if you find out if you find an [TS]

01:30:41   undifferentiated mass in my lung [TS]

01:30:44   we're both going to wonder where it came [TS]

01:30:45   from it's asparagus [TS]

01:30:48   ok forget about 17 my friend I have a [TS]

01:30:55   good friend who had had a really really [TS]

01:30:57   bad traumatic injury to his hand me [TS]

01:30:59   heartless years we'll be able to figure [TS]

01:31:01   out who this is and that he went to the [TS]

01:31:04   doctor because I mean basically you know [TS]

01:31:06   he liked s7 and nerve and he had to go [TS]

01:31:09   through all this like it's a big deal [TS]

01:31:10   and and where they went to the doctor [TS]

01:31:14   of course like they do they ask you you [TS]

01:31:17   know d take ibuprofen I do you smoke [TS]

01:31:20   anymore [TS]

01:31:23   like do you do you do in SD drink right [TS]

01:31:27   and of course you know like me I think [TS]

01:31:31   he paused he paused and then I mean [TS]

01:31:35   continuously if you fucking if you're if [TS]

01:31:37   you're like a anderson nurse but if you [TS]

01:31:39   are the information taker at that [TS]

01:31:41   facility you [TS]

01:31:44   I mean you know what you can get good at [TS]

01:31:46   something in a day if you do it often [TS]

01:31:48   enough it was you do that 10 times in [TS]

01:31:50   one day I bet within a week you are [TS]

01:31:52   going to be like fucking Kreskin at [TS]

01:31:55   knowing whether somebody drinks a lot or [TS]

01:31:57   whether someone lies a lot for that [TS]

01:31:58   price right absolutely but they never [TS]

01:32:00   let on [TS]

01:32:02   I mean so here's here's some here's some [TS]

01:32:03   possible answers to that [TS]

01:32:05   also here's the thing and this is such [TS]

01:32:09   great hack [TS]

01:32:10   don't ask you drink they ask you how [TS]

01:32:12   many drinks do you have [TS]

01:32:14   week it's the first of all you gotta do [TS]

01:32:16   math if you're trying to be honest [TS]

01:32:18   yeah but you know you could say I don't [TS]

01:32:20   drink anymore which is a good lie or it [TS]

01:32:23   could be four times a week or you say [TS]

01:32:28   your senior couple weekends because it's [TS]

01:32:30   not a binge drinker right and so my [TS]

01:32:33   friend said that the real rookie thing [TS]

01:32:36   which is that he has a couple drinks a [TS]

01:32:38   day [TS]

01:32:39   ok so that's the like he's starting to a [TS]

01:32:40   college is exactly what i would say [TS]

01:32:42   which really means i have about three or [TS]

01:32:45   four times that much right [TS]

01:32:47   couple of drinks and his wife it was [TS]

01:32:50   also his wife is awesome [TS]

01:32:51   it was all she could do not to like [TS]

01:32:53   knock him onto the floor [TS]

01:32:55   she said listen when you go in and you [TS]

01:32:58   talk to anyone whether it's a doctor or [TS]

01:32:59   anyone and they ask you how much you [TS]

01:33:01   drink you don't you tell them i only [TS]

01:33:03   drink socially which is such a great [TS]

01:33:06   answer because it doesn't really it [TS]

01:33:07   doesn't really answer the question all [TS]

01:33:09   but that's such a that's a RK cancer [TS]

01:33:11   that's a Mad Men answer i'll get drink [TS]

01:33:14   socially it sounds like denial [TS]

01:33:16   it sounds likes it sounds like something [TS]

01:33:18   that you heard your father say many [TS]

01:33:20   times or heard sounds like something you [TS]

01:33:22   heard your mother say to your father [TS]

01:33:23   about this that the the nurse and the [TS]

01:33:25   next ron says how many things do you [TS]

01:33:28   have a week and you say to you think [TS]

01:33:30   you're better than me haha [TS]

01:33:37   it's pretty ghetto that's actually a [TS]

01:33:39   good one word god fucking hour and a [TS]

01:33:41   half [TS]

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