Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello H i hi Merlin has gone man i gotta [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► live with that every week [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► well which part well just the [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► disappointment of knowing you deserve [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► something better and I like to think of [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► myself as a relatively productive person [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► who should be able to make a note to [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► come up with a good song for you [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► well in my whole life I have been pretty [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► a resistant to nicknames who people have [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► always tried to nickname me [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► mmm and it just doesn't stick like i am [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► one of those people who is most mostly [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► known as John Roderick both both both [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► names you know what I mean like people [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► just call me John Roderick yeah and I in [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► college ave through nicknames at me [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► every which way and and it just they all [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► bounced off so i'm wondering whether [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► it's the same with the music I can't be [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► themed I have to imagine that when [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► you're in college [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► you did a lot of nickname friendly [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► material [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► yeah but everybody's always trying to [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► like call me sasquatch ER or you know I [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► mean red dog I got called rad dog that's [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► completely unacceptable for a long time [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► and now when actually kind of worked at [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► the time because I was a rat dog [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► you sound like something that would be [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► like somebody who wants to be a surfer [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► yeah but it was the eighties and yeah I [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► was a skier and like rabid dog that was [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► actually short for a rip-roaring ratdog [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► radical rock and righteously rascal [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► andrey friend Roderick it was a group of [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► you and the reason it's the reason it [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► actually took was that I was a junior [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► and that name was bestowed on me by a [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► bunch of seniors [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► that seniors we would now regard as [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► nerds but at the time i guess they were [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► also nerds then but it wasn't like nerd [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► wasn't cool [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► exactly but they were a whole bunch of [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► older guys and they started calling me [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► this and they would say the whole thing [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► every time [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► ok it's ripping on Red Dog radical rock [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► and righteously Rascal and refrain [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► Roderick and I would you know I kind of [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► had to accept it [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► yeah you don't want to be you know I'm [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► grateful i mean if people feel like you [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► have characteristics that are worth [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► turning into a really long asinine a man [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► who you turn away especially from senior [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► exactly especially from the senior so i [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► think i'll be honest i see it is as very [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► different things I am I like a nickname [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► I like an ending for others [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► I like it to be organic you don't need a [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► nickname your name is Merlin Mann and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► nobody believes that it's so amazing [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► that I if that was your nickname it [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► would be the best nickname in the world [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► and it's your actual name [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► I'm you know what maybe I'm too close to [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► it it seems like a pretty weird name [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► it is a weird name but it is an amazing [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► name [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► I mean think about think about all the [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► effort the parents our age are putting [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► into giving their kids unique charming [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► tweet little fucked up names [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► yeah and your name is Merlin Mann no one [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► can ever top it you can hit you can name [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► your child [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► bismarck von Smith and google and it the [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► child would still have to like step [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► aside to let Merlin man walking it's [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► pretty good name [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► now I want to find somebody for that [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► well you know we've talked about this [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► before but when I was a kid I really [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► envied people like you name wise is with [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► like John Bob well I mean yeah I e and a [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► fever went through this but I mean I [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► think we all go through times in our [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► lives where I'm pretty much every level [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► we want to be invisible or we want to be [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► at least we want to blend in [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► mm and the very first day of school you [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► know they go through the roll call in [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► alphabetical order and it's like you [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► know and rental right in the middle and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► Jones you know far more filler Mark [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► Miller oh no I guess Merlin working [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► hi Jason Craig and Matt Merlin Dean man [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► third oh the kindergartner and me is [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► laughing and it's a pause it otherwise I [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► might as well have like a crazy indian [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► name and no no the other kind you know i [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► might as well be like you know shot [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► great dips into Hep C or something right [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► you know but you know and so but that's [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► the first day you know everybody's [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► nervous and everybody's looking for [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► weaknesses and especially when I'd be [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► like a new kid I would have killed for a [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► Todd I mean Merlin is literally the [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► magician yeah that's the one that's a [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► lot to live up to you didn't turn to [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► people and give and give me the hairy [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► eyeball and and and scare him that you [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► were going to turn them into a toad [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► that's what I've done my sense is that [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► there was not a lot of concern for that [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► but I mean it would also sake now that's [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► for now it's actually a James page you [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► know it's actually Merline man you know [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► yeah well good luck i remember there is [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► an article you know in like the wacky [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► news section in the mid-nineties about [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► this poor bastard he was 10 years old [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► named Bart Simpson [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► oh you know i mean it could be worse [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► think of all those it as those eight [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► offs you know think about little boys [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► named Eichmann as a first name [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► yeah the little one of those on my [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► playground well like meant like when [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► Mary I'd been very like when II ah yeah [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► okay so I got a lot of thoughts on this [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► first of all I just have to say and this [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► is this is why I carry around this shame [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► and pull it out the suitcase whenever we [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► record our program is Dave pics i just [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► can't believe I haven't thought of [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► haven't thought about it more because [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► you're a musical person [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► yeah you know what i like i like hot rod [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► hotrod hot rod of all the nicknames that [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► have ever been given me hot rod was the [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► one that that that stuck the longest and [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► that was that was just that was just my [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► first email address again just like [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► their local place there's a coffee shop [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► front for the right front for the drugs [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► and the prostitutes and that the guy [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► that owned it was like you neva you need [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► an email address and i was like i don't [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► know what that is and then he showed up [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► one day with it written on a piece of [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► paper you are hot rod at Capitol Hill [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► dotnet tiny tiny acorns John isn't that [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► it's amazing and i was like i guess i am [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► this now and then the rest was history [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► and without his name for you or is that [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► something in Parliament you just made it [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► up he was sitting there trying to think [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► of a email address for me that he was [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► because he he was he owned an internet [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► café he wanted me to be a patron who I [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► did not understand what why I would have [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► an email address or why I would ever go [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► on the internet it seemed to me at the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► time it was all newsgroups out of child [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► pornographers and magic the gathering [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► I didn't even know what that was neither [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► and then he showed up one day and and [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► and had this thing written on a piece of [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► paper and I did not know what any of [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that meant but I am I i wrote in the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► first email I ever wrote was to a guy [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► named Eric Chamberlain who is still a [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► friend of mine and he is a he is a [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► prolific writer and a sort of a [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► technology visionary type of person [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► right and so he wrote me back within the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► hour talk about the antechamber dog [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► antechamber dog i'm trying to cover the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► nickname form old antechamber dog that's [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► what we call them with it with a w-4 dog [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► um Scott pages long he wrote me back [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► like it immediately like some kind of [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► think piece on what it meant that we [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► were emailing one another and I was like [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► oh this is fun [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► the ham radio exactly i wrote in like [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► five pages basically like Benedict [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► addicted are you receiving me [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► that's all I did for a month yeah it was [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► like having a walkie-talkie that went to [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► England don't even remember who the [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► second email i got i would have a friend [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► at Oxford who guy went to school with [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► had gone to school with who was at [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► Oxford and I sent him an email message [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► and then he replied inside of like five [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► minutes which I have to say in [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► retrospect is not a great powder for [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► dealing with your email but having said [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► that I [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► have a nice plug yeah over the inbox [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► zero guy took him five minutes just for [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► his dialectic to reach you he was yeah [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► he's having a biscuit on a lorry he [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► doesn't mind that using some bar might [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► honest crumpet me find me torch Tim [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► you're not from England out of the lift [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► I got a lot of pains on this is just a [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► brief III first of all I I like [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► nicknames when the organic I nickname [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► people you know when they really deserve [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► it I have friends like you know and some [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► of them have really caught on my feet my [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► boots so I i came up with scoots whoever [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► called scott scott simpson scoots for [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► the first time they're really catch on [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► you think [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► well it does it did with me I mean you [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► don't want me when I refer to scoot you [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► know what I mean scoots is like it's [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► like when it's like when your dog is [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► like scoot scoot across the carpet [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► together is being laid trap I think of [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► it as being like the trots [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► yeah the trucks and scoots yeah see I [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► like those in there some like my friend [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► you know John Gruber has a very popular [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► blog of apple stuff and I was calm [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► chairman grouper the Caribbean island [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► it's like a chairman mao kind of joke is [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► communism is funny and that you know [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I've seen other people using that I [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► think having an affectionate nickname [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► for somebody i think it's an honor when [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► somebody has a nickname for you that is [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► that is flattering [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► yeah you know I think my theme music for [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► you is a kind of nickname because I'm so [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► that man is not it's not a nickname [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► mobile name unless you sing it to the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► most of the tune of jet Janet Jackson's [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► nasty boys who were privatized by a [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► holiday it's well you're pretty sure [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► it's not HoloNet sweetwater miss hearing [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► people miss hearing the melody of that [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► here is a very good here [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► yeah well you on I think you're one of [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► the very I don't know how you started [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► doing this but you're one of the very [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► very few people apart from my wife and [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► people i knew before college who you [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► call me Merle a lot of moral which is [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► what which is my father's name is sort [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► of a call my dad and I one day first day [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► of school in fourth grade they said I'm [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► gonna read all the names and tell me if [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► there's something else you'd like to be [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► called [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► is a tribute to my late father i said i [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► would like to call tomorrow and i NN you [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► know that stuck for awhile and then I [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► went back to Merlin because I realized [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► it was kinda cool and I wanted to stick [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► out a little bit more [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► Merlin school but you are a mean yeah [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► when I call you Merle it's a yeah that's [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► no no I like it you're talking to the [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► Merle I'm gonna get another thing that [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► I'm interested in the John Roderick [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► thing because I've had friends where you [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► always there's a cadence to the name [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► were you always refer to them by their [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► by their full name trying to think of [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► people in in your in your area that are [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► like that there's some kind of friend [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► Mike Mac see that yeah Mike back and [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► you're never ever gonna call him Mike if [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► you come if you call him if you pointed [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► at him and said mike i would i would [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► fail to see him i would go who imma oh [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► you mean my back [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► yeah I had a friend in college named [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► patty fruit which is a great name fre w [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► patty first and you never called me [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► Patti you never called free you always [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► gotta patti fruit because it feels great [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► it's got nice mouthfeel to it you know I [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► know me I i use nicknames a lot because [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► i have a poor memory and I i call people [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► chief [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► Oh chief for my you know my captain my [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► development said councillor doesn't even [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► matter because everybody was a lawyer [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► consular protection i learned this in [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► church and i think it's it's been it's [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► been shown to be true everywhere if you [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► don't know what to call somebody called [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► him dr. because nobody doesn't want to [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► be called dr. right is better than a [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► church situation if you don't know what [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► somebody's keno you get into the [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► churches and you get into the the [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► religions and there's a lot of messages [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► like it's a lot it's a lot like the [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► Third Reich where you know there's so [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► many different titles university and [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► look at all the titles / / housing [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► Colonel schiessen ison Gruber starts and [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► Blitzen Donner Donner Blitzen Donner [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► Party yeah I think I think it depends [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► like in my in my world I would if I [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► called everybody counselor or dr. [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► neither of those things would work we do [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► in rock-and-roll I guess you say it's a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► bro oh man you get a kick in the nuts [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► Nords if you say bro [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► yeah I like [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► hm but here's the other thing that it [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► was you should i mean i think you [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► deserve it and I'm gonna work on it [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► um I think I like to think that i'm not [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► a creepy person like most people I like [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► to think I'm not a creepy person in but [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► I i think that your little creepy yeah [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► and I think maybe for about 10 years [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► I hopefully and not like when you first [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► date in my house and I was we're driving [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► around getting breakfast with ken [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► stringfellow i know i was super creepy [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► but like I was like starstruck by all [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you guys but listen to me said it's my [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► turn I was starstruck by Michael but [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► everybody else is interested in any [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► social situation if ken stringfellow is [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► there he is the creepiest person there [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► and everyone else seems perfectly normal [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► and well adjusted by comparison is true [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► that continent john-boy he's come to [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► hear your phone nearby [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► yes which you would you do put you be [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► good enough to call me at the number [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► where you just call me a minute ago that [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► I call you a minute ago you texted me [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► attack just text that's fine yeah all [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► right hang on a second to stand by i [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► have to open three or four apps first [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► before i get the right one so I usually [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► open what I'm trying to find somebody's [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► it's really it's a lot of right now you [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► got your bicycle parts so I open the [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► maps and then I open twitter just [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► reflexively and then that he's been 40 [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► minutes on wikipedia and then I open the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► translation page and then I try and [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► figure out how many kilograms it is all [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► right now I'm calling you [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► ok hang up and do it again [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► jungle drums hang up on you get into the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► beginning of Indian still filming here [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► again filled up the Amazon go ahead [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► I am done if you know this one on on on [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the iphone had my ringer turned off but [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► the iphone you have the ability to [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► create custom vibrations for people w [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► yeah and your when I feel you in my [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► pockets playing car parts [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► oh how nice just bop ba-bop ba-bop [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► ba-bop sort of a Cuban like a Cuban car [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► parts [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► yeah and now you know now that I said I [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► want to get back to that really super [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► creepy because you're about an [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► inch-and-a-half from my dingus such as [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► it is and I can feel you i can feel [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► literally I can I can feel my favorite [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► song from from your first album [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► literally vibrating my ps2 to do it [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► didn't know if I was singing Merlin Mann [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► to the tune of privatized it would go [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► Anna but uh well but with the that the [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► salient part would be an early and man [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► is watching you [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► eh it's not it's not too early man it's [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► more than man [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► ah there's a name I don't want to break [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► down the fourth or fifth wall but it's [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► at some point like to hear you do a [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► little bit more of that I needs [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► president and what that is taken from as [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► I've described before is nasty boys [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► yes no I i know i'm looking really [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► quickly enough to derail this I'm [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► looking very quickly threw on some of [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► the naughty titles because they're [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► pretty often [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► oh my god there are so many good ones [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► term group for ya [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► and and you can move up and oh man I [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► can't put over from ruben through juror [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► ranks and insignia places a great oh my [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► god what a great page got uniform [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► pictures my lawyers uniforms are so [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► amazing I really man sometimes I will [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► you know those really really a [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► high-definition super great quality [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► pictures of the Third Reich and guys [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► kind of those candid photos where [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► they're all walking in a line headed up [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► the stairs somewhere and he and their [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► the Hitler's in the middle and there's [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► like 15 guys walking abreast and every [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► single one of them has a slightly [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► different kind slightly different take [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► on the double-breasted yes [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► ankle-length leather trench coat your [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► how many bird how many versions of an [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► ankle-length double-breasted leather [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► trenchcoat could there possibly been [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► have enough money to effectively invade [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► the Soviet Union but they found a way to [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► have 6 24 30 different kinds of army [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► insignia seriously crazy like you get [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► different armbands [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► ok so just because you remember the [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► original brown shirts as we've discussed [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► before we're like a hound was on sale [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and sell its not just going up the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► ladder here pieces from 39 to 45 you get [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► on vulture vulture and very clear that [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► he's the on farther held her moving [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► helfer arbeit slider that's gonna be [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► workin fer button issues but alright is [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► work i think yes I was work [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► ober arbeit slider is the ohbert's [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► letter [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► yes he's over the arts later he's over [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► the works line but he's got a boss that [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► would be the hop to our bites slider [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► sure then of course you've got the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► barite shocked slider scheisse and yet [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► the uber barite shop slice slider [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► hop-hop barrage keep going I ison sizer [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► I can't wait for somebody to remix this [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► with a beat down to the light slider [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► barracks slider / slurve these are just [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► a few of them and then you got the you [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► know you get yeah so so in watching that [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► many of these minis and by the way today [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► I got a suggestion on twitter that I [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► want [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► show up which is apparently nine and a [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► half hours long so you know I'm gonna [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► make some time for that but at the end [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► but nick names nicknames can be good you [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► deserve better [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► hot rod i occasionally call you Roderick [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► and that might be a little bit familiar [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► Roderick's fine i call jonathan coulton [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► Colton sometimes these are cool and all [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► John Hodgman Hodgman part of the reason [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► you have to call jonathan coulton Colton [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► is that if you try to shorten his name [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► from Jonathan to John he gets all [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► pinched faced i think that's something [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► from orientation at Yale might have been [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► right but he's like jonathan is a [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► separate name it's actually it's [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► actually pictured Kevin he's not getting [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► he's he's upset about it you can't call [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► him John I think that you want to myself [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► a lot of mikes and Michael's the plant [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► all legit for a minute but they do not [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► like being like yeah i have i've done [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► i've learned not to call Michaels Mike [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► but you know what to talk about my [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► killer [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► come on Mike Schiller hear anything [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► about Michael chilli with michelle that [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► site Schilling Schilling Oh Mike [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► Schilling he would hate that original [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► drummer of the long-winded he's a doctor [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► now right [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► chillin I don't think he's a doctor know [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► is he a a biggie i'm not sure what you [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► know what we've fallen out of touch [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► TS is probably better he was teaching a [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► writing class at a local arts college [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► and he asked me if I would come in and [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► give a lecture to his class and I said [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► of course of course i will and i don't [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► know if that's not the answer he [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► expected i'm not sure why his why his [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► response was to never contact me again [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► but weird but Ino and I haven't heard I [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► haven't heard or seen of him either but [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► you know what people this happens to [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► people they are when they reach a [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► certain age which is to say our age they [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► uh they go to some weird things happen [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► they need somebody to go into a [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► comfortable living room set up where [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► there is a maybe a a sectional couch [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► part of which is called the Shea's and [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► they get a bigger next [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► ordinary television and uh pretty much [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► their needs are met there's a like a new [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► chipotle grill that open down street [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► hate that place for all the beer healthy [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► like formula makes me furious and and [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► Bumi with it when am I gonna see him [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► I'm not good it's not like we're gonna [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► see each other in church I've got an [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► idea but it's it's not super flattering [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► for you and well I can take its ok i [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► although I have to say lately I have [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► realized that i am a little bit i'm a [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► little bit shaky lately [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► me too i've been totally shaky lately [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► you know I think that he takes it [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► personally [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► well I you know me I've I can take a ton [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► of shit a metric ton of shit i'll stand [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► in a row standard room of 400 people [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► were everybody in the room hates my guts [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► and I just and it just bounces off of me [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► but lately not so much i'm i'm like [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► walking around like a like a I like a [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► wounded elk em like like an elk which [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► has been hit with a stone tipped arrow [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► mm but but the arrow has fallen out but [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► I am a little bit lame in my conscience [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► my rear on I should know like Rudolph [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► the red-nosed reindeer where you've been [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► you know kind of discouraged from [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► joining the group that feeling of like [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► being a little bit outside and it's a [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► terrible feeling especially at Christmas [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► it's an awful feeling i I've been [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► feeling I've been feeling sensitive is [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the wrong word right but i can tell that [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► I'm well this is to just too personal [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► but i but I i can tell I can tell when [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► I'm getting a little bit off track [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I can feel a little wounded you know [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► what it is I'm starting to realize and [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► how man why am I saying this will all be [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► introduced in court one day I can tell [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► when I start feeling unappreciated that [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► something is wrong i might not be [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► getting enough sleep i might be taking [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► too much or too little medicine or [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► something but I started to notice that [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► as soon as I start feeling like I'm not [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► appreciated i know that i've gotten off [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► track [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► that's your flag because i actually [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► don't fucking care normally right well [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► listen first of all none of this can be [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► introduced in court because as your as a [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► professional [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► him everything you say that means in the [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► strictest confidence said like a priest [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► or a lawyer or what's here what's our [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► what's our affiliation your friend doing [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► a american serial podcast what a i feel [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► kind of I'm kind of a priest lawyer you [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► might be my wartime consigliere [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► yeah that's right haha can I really [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► count on you for that if I had to [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► are you kidding me of course would you [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► go to the mattresses I you know what I [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► had all over town [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► I have some room setup better just empty [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► rooms full of mattresses and I'm that [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► you say just really use up that when you [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► say all over town [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► there might be some in town or there [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► might not be any might be in different [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► places it might be a different town [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► see this is the thing about a safe house [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► yeah you know I'm really idea John I [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► your influence on me is is broad and [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► extremely deep and I i am starting to [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► get way more interested in spy stuff for [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► sure and I'm been thinking a lot about [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► safe houses safe rooms adds a sucker's [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► game room it's just a place for you to [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► be immolated when they burn your house [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► you're helping them that's right you're [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► just like here let me go in here where I [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► can't be of any where I cannot hurt you [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► recognize thing same thing with security [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► if you show somebody five doors and one [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► has a giant-ass lock that says don't go [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► in here you got a pretty good idea where [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► to start [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► if there's a big vault in any in a [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► somewhat like in a closet I think [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► they're gonna know that'sthat's up [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► there's a pretty good chance that the [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► professor is in there that's right and [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► that's why that's why i have [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► booby-trapped completely random stuff in [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► my house oh that's good so it's like oh [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► you wouldn't think that that my family [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► bible would be our would be like an [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► old-fashioned rat trap on the one hand [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► people who know you're going to say why [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► would John have a Bible let alone a [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► family but then somebody else some [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► smartest is going hide in plain sight [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► boom pow how there's a kid that the [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► people live across the street for me not [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► directly across but it kind of around [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► the corner' their houses on the lot of [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► other corner law there's a kid over [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► there about 30 years old [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► and sometimes people show up to talk to [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► him but they pull up alongside the house [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► on my side of the house and then he [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► comes out and gets in their car with [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► them and they sit there for a while and [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► then you see some lighters going off [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► some pots getting smoked and it's like [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► he doesn't want them parked in front of [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► his house for some reason they pull up [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► in the park [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► basically in front of my house [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► surveillant absolutely well I used to [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► what I used to do is when I would drive [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► up when I would come home and I would [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► see that they were somebody was parked [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► over in this spot because there's no [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► reason to park there unless here unless [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► you're trying to do some I mean this is [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► a basic level drug dealers something [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► really that I mean parked alongside the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► house [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► don't interrupt the job that's some real [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► like fucking first-grade operative stuff [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► i mean wait a minute let me understand [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► you're gonna be a hundred and ten feet [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► from the front of your house and that's [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► recover [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► yeah around the corner but at the same [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► time like this and foremost drug dealers [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► that's at the top of their imagination [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► like that's is that's that it's legit he [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► could actually be he could actually be [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► thinking like around the corner nobody's [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► ever going to think you know what that [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► is that that is an automotive safe how [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► safe room that makes it so easy to pick [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► up to stoners now [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► well so what I used to do when I pulled [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► up to the house was i would i would pull [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► up in front of my house at night of [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► course I pull up in front of my house [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► but I would just park my car kind of [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that I would turn the wheels at the last [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► minute so that my car was kind of [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► pointing across the street so that my [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► head lights were shining right in their [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► front window right in the windshield [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► where they were sitting and then i would [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► just sit in my car with the motor [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► running and my headlights just filling [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► their car with awful awful light and [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► they would sit there blinking and kind [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► of and for they would sit there for a [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► long time waiting for me to turn my car [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► off and I would just sit there [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► oh that must be unnerving pi had to [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► blink that's really bad it was bad for [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► them and then eventually they would [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► drive away and for a long time they [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► figured out like [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► oh well for what it forever reason that [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► guy across the street doesn't i like [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► because I would never it's not like i [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► would get out and go over and talk to [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► them i would just sit in my car with the [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► lights on until they drove away [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► it's not about carrying a clipboard [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► that's a great idea I think there's all [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► kinds of ways I fucked with a lot of [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► people John and I've come to me the [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► thing is like you never want to like [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► threaten somebody but the thing is it's [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► like the two guys in the tiger right it [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► seems to be faster than you [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► I just need to get you thinking if i get [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► you thinking I've kind of already won [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► while clipboard is great except that [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► that I clearly live in this place so i [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► cant clipboard is kind of like I'm here [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► to check the water meters in eighth this [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► guy knows where you live [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► well yeah I live across the street from [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► him but the other day I was at the [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► playground with my little girl and this [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► guy shows up with a with like a whole [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► passel of kids and he's the nicest [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► sweetest guy in the world and he's like [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► a good and all these kids they're not [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► his he was the other he has their own [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► tent rentals [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► ok he's you know he's uncle somebody and [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► then so uh another group of kids showed [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► up with a couple of gals at the same [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► park and they all were related to each [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► other and they were all like and none of [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► them lived with their folks they were [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► all living with uncles but they were but [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► he was kind of really great [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► sweet-natured 30-year old stoner uncle [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► to these kids who were charming little [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► kids they were all good behaved her arms [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► are well behaved and like kind of [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► athletic but but but also polite little [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► kids and I was like oh maybe I got this [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► guy all wrong maybe he's just stoner guy [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► who's selling a little weed [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► maybe maybe his his a minute his lady [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► does not like him smoking pot in the [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► house but she suffers exactly she looks [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► the other way it is one time each week [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► he has to hang out in a car and smoke [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► pot and not bother anybody exactly the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► friend pulls up he says pull alongside [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► the house so the kids don't see you and [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► we're going to go out and smoke pot in [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► the car and all of a sudden I felt like [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► all all of my you know all my sweat [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► think of this guy across the street [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► because I think he's running some [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► operation it turns out he just wants to [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► sit out and listen to the chronic and [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► and have some some pots cheese and i was [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► like that changes everything [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► it doesn't now I like the guy and I [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► don't know what I'm supposed to like [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► half an eye on in though [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► oh absolutely i pulled up in front of my [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► house today and he was out there talking [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► to some guy some guy that was kind of [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► dressed like minister farrakhan I was [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► like listen I don't want any of that [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► kinda want to me like a like the moves [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► limbs guess it's like horn-rimmed [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► glasses in newspaper yet and and and [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► bowties like it's I'm I'm okay with that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► if that is a pee-wee Herman affectation [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► but i but like you know I don't want I [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► don't want I don't want to see guys [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► standing out here selling newspapers on [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► them it's so you know it is so hard to [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► evaluate their I run into things like [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► that all the time because I'm while I'm [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► not strictly speaking paranoid I I [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► definitely have a flare or an affliction [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► for trying to find the story and so I [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you know my brain runoff and million [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► directions [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► you know i might kinda like the opposite [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► of sherlock holmes like I will see [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► something and i will start putting [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► pieces together and pretty soon i have [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► taken a long walk off a short piece of [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► logic and I've got but now i'm just [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► looking for evidence about that right [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► you know what I mean the everyday yeah [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► yeah yeah well yeah I see what you're [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► saying [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► well you know and I guess I guess you [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► could just you could go over and [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► confront him directly but you don't want [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► to i mean you have your privacy is a [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► reasonably offenses there's a reason you [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► have an electrified fence you know [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► electrified fences make good neighbors [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► I was standing out in front of my [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► Vietnamese neighbor's house the other [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► day and he has a tree in his front yard [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that I very very very very much want to [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► cut down with a chainsaw is it a few [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► killer [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► well it's not that it is a cherry tree [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► but it's a volunteer and I don't know if [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► you know this about about a lot of fruit [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► bearing trees but you know they are that [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► they they bear delicious fruit because [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► they are grafted like delicious fruit [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► bearing cherry tree is graphed [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► onto hardy crap cherry roots [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► it's a form of of like floral eugenics [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► well yeah so the trees that have the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► really great powerful root system make [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► shitty cherries I'm just saying this [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► visit for instance they make shitty [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► cherries but they have great routes and [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► then the trees that make great cherries [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► have shitty roots and they're they're [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► fragile and they blow down in storms so [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► what they do what they do is they they [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► graft the top of a great cherry tree [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► onto the root system of a strong cherry [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► tree and they make super super tree but [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► what happened in this instance is that a [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► is that a under so i have a great cherry [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► tree in my front yard but it's such a [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► big tree that the roots kind of extend [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► under my neighbor's yard and from the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► roots a volunteer poked up out of the [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► ground and nobody mode it down and it [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► became up its own tree but it came from [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► the route instead it was doing like a [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► sep tember 1939 on you it was doing a [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► little slide in sideways zippy zap right [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► I left over there like Oh Madge no line [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► try this what will just go around the [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► side how's that for imagine a line and [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► so now there's this huge charity in my [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► neighbor's yard which produces the brig [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► bitterest tiniest little shitty pie [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► cherries nobody eats them nobody wants [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► them but this tree is just over there [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► like it's just sucking up my energy just [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► the fact that it's over there every day [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► I walk out there like that see it you're [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► gonna see it every day I have to look at [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► it and you know and it so for a long [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► time in the night i would go out and [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► love limbs off of it haha but it's this [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► big tree I can't you know it like just [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► the just the fact that it's over there [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► really bothered so i started when he was [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► still in Indochina everything would have [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► been different [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► well yeah but you remember my neighbors [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► before before the the Vietnamese my [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► neighbors were from from like s sudan [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► and that I definitely wasn't something [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► they know if the Sudanese are gone [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► so anyway so I was standing out in the [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► street and I was staring at this tree [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► i'm in front of his house staring at I'm [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► just given this tree like them just [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► given it the hairy eyeball just the [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► ugliest looks and I'm kind of hoping [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► that eventually he's gonna come out he's [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► going to say hi [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► I'd i doing you know you're just like [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► come out the door because your neighbors [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► standing there staring at your front [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► yard there's nothing else in his yard [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► except mystery but I couldn't quite I [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► couldn't quite figure out how I was [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► gonna go knock on his door and say [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► listen I got I got a beef with this tree [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► and I know it's nothing to you but I [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► will play i will buy and plant and [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► maintain a better tree for you somewhere [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► else in your yard if you will let me saw [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► this tree down like that's my that's my [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► plan that is my proposal to this [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► continued to play out this scenario in [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► your head and try different versions [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► well I do because the because the [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► problem is there is a language golf he [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► does not speak english so what-what it [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► will in it and what I'm afraid of is [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► that he's going to get some nephew to [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► come out and explain it to me and the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► nephew will have been you know he will [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► drag his nephew away from playing dance [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► dance revolution or always to look out [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► into the daylight and he's going to say [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► you know tell me what this dummy with [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► the next door neighbor is saying and I'm [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► gonna say listen I want to chop down [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► your tree and i'll plan a better tree [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► somewhere and just the way it is the [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► nephew is gonna be like board and and [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► garbled the translation and I feel like [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► I only have one I don't have one chance [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► to get this message across to this guy [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► because if it comes across the wrong way [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► right if somebody came over to my house [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► and they and they they said i want to [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► chop down this tree in your yard and [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► they and they approach me wrong you know [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► there's not like a student get a second [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► chance [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► soon so so you you have to frame it [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► right and also it's like sales you have [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► to think about as i get older I realized [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► that it helps very much to you can't you [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► gasps what other people think but you [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► can certainly put yourself in there in [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► there they're simple shoes and and need [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► to try to think about it from their [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► point of view right right it is dead [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► wife plant that right now I know that I [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► know that his dead wife didn't plan it [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► well because i was living there before [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► he was living there [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► ok now yeah you know these are exactly [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► the kind of things it's funny because [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► you're not in the suburbs but these are [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► exactly the kinds of things that that [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► the welding that are making the suburbs [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► literally kill us these kinds of these [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► kind of turf wars like did your dog poop [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► like two inches into my yard the end of [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► this huge in Florida John like did you [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► edge your grass as well as I did you [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► didn't want mean-like did you like are [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the numbers on the address thing on your [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► house ask you because old people [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► especially for everyone in Florida [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► especially old people are obsessed with [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► these extremely minor things because [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► they this probably doesn't apply to you [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► they don't have that many other things [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► to do so they start noticing things [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► yeah now with you I know you're very [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► busy so this is this is probably [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► something that just became so [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► intolerable you had to notice it [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► the idea of a root in your well but but [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► if what complicates it in this end and [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► you the proper thing is there were a [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► couple of trees over there that bothered [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► me and when the Sudanese people moved [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► out now i'm not i'm not i think the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► statute of limitations has passed that [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► no just unclear because i might be [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► misremembering but these are the folks [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► where you didn't want to call them on [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the carpet because they may have been [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► the victims they Medicus Cape to [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► genocide [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► no no I was pretty sure that the diapers [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► pretty sure that the guy there was a [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► there was a there was a man and then he [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► had a couple of wives and then some [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► other they were like five women and one [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► guy living there and he listened to [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► really really really loud sermons from [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► some like 'mom that was broadcasting [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► these like fiery polemical sermons in [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► Arabic and like none of them would shake [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► my hand it was a it was a it was a weird [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► scene over there i didn't get along with [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► them but all those helicopters on [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► although I'm sorry to really with all of [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► those helicopters with no markings are [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► starting to make a lot more sense you [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► know that's the idea not about that [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► rabbi we know you've got a little bit [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► about why are there so many i think you [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► and i counted 16 while i was there why [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► are there so many unmarked helicopters [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► flying over your neighborhood [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► well it's that's not the unmarked ones [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► that worried me it's the invisible ones [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► yeah they make them they make a sound [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► but not where you would expect it right [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► ventriloquist Telecom has a cloaked [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► helicopter sort of like with the es mi [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► bin Laden helicopter can't you have like [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► a special black hawk with curvy sides [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► that you don't hear coming [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► sure didn't you see the ROI Scheider [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► movie blue thunder now I'm gonna write [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► that down i saw the as zero dark thirty [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► you never saw the ROI Scheider vehicle [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► Blue Thunder taking place in Los Angeles [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► it so it's basically zero dark thirty [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► except in the mid-eighties and in Los [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► Angeles huh [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► I saw light and all that jazz a couple [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► times yeah well this is this is so [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► fueled by the box office success of all [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► that James Joyce Shannon folks and jaws [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► to the shower was propelled and write [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► his own ticket that you could basically [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► good and he he made he made Blue Thunder [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► which is the only reason I know about [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► the blue thunder was AI was a kid in the [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► eighties as your remember with a flight [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► suit with a flight suit and also i was [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► in the Alaska repertory theatre [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► production of hot l Baltimore an award [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► an award winning play about the decline [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► of the inner-city that took place in a [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► in a in a crumbling well once grand now [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► crumbling hotel and I was the paperboy [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► this was a this was a production of [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► hotel Baltimore which features real-live [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► nudity on stage and I was 10 year-olds [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► who [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► was cast in the role of the paperboy I i [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► would seek that out and so every night [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► for the entire run of this play I was [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► you know it was like this was the moment [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► where I was try was trotting the board's [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► literally trotting boards with actual [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► adult actors who had come who had been [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► imported to Anchorage for this you know [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► this like first-run off-broadway play [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► and and I got to see I had to see this [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► woman's boobs every night I don't want [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► to hear I don't hear a single word [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► against the legitimate theater i know it [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► was great and it was that was where I [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that was where I learned about arlo [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► guthrie because they played Arlo Guthrie [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► and the soundtrack every night but [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► anyway so I one of the actors in my [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► production of hot air Baltimore was one [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► of these guys if you saw him i'm going [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► to find him now if you saw him you would [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► say oh I know I know that guy [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► yeah his name is Jack Murdock and Jack [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► Murdock was a character actor in a lot [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► of television in the seventies 60 [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► seventies and eighties like he was on [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► episode of hawaii five-o or he was on [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► you know he was a oh that guy husband of [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► the gal that was on The Love Boat or [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► whatever and occasionally he's a serious [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► that guy Jack Murdock right you see me [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► you're like oh that guy and so Jack [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► Murdock played like the old guy in the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► lobby of the Hato Baltimore and hotter [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► Baltimore the that the name of the play [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► as a reference to the eagle burned-out [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► he being burned out at the hotel [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► Baltimore right and and it was one of [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► those like it was one of those verte [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► plays that were popular in the early [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► seventies where was you know it's just [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► straight vernacular and and the message [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► was good morning america how are you [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► don't you know me I'm your native sun [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► which [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► would you say it was it was really real [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► it was so real I mean I was the paperboy [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► and because you don't get realer than [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► mm but so anyway Jack more so every [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► night I'm 10 years old and 12 years old [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► and we're like the cast is back in the [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► dressing room with the with the big [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► round light bulbs and the mirrors and [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► everybody's getting dressed in their [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► costumes and putting makeup on and [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► they're all telling theater stories and [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► they're all from New York and the girls [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► were all dancers and Jack Murdock's got [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► all these stories about hawaii five-o [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► and you know and Jack Murdock taught me [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► how to play chess [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► are you kidding me no way i was their [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► mascot I was this little kid and they [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► would sit you know he would he would [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► like SAT me down and and taught me to [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► play chess and we played chess every [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► night and he was telling me that he was [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► working his next job after he left [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► Alaska was to go make this movie blue [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► thunder with roy scheider and he just [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► you know he just plays some cop in a in [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► a room somewhere in the cameras panning [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► across room he looks to be a classic [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► character actor classic character he [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► turns around at one point in the movie [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► goes hey that's that's not the right you [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► know button or so I don't know what his [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► line is but he has something he has some [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► it's a speaking part and so when Blue [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► Thunder came out like I knew this guy [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► Jack Murdock he was my he was my buddy [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► and so I want to see it and you know and [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► of course that also a writer and a and a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► secret helicopter that could run silent [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► run deep and so was i was thrilled my [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► brush with first first brush with [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► greatness that must have been you know [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► what that must be so exciting on so many [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► levels I mean being in a theater in [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► general is so exciting i've been in you [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► know a handful of plays and I wasn't [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► good in any of them but it was I could [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► see why people get so I mean setting [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► aside Fame I can see why the show I [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► could see why people get so excited [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► about it it's really it's it's a it's [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► really an operative Joshua's on [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► operation petticoat let us see all using [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the blue night with that with that guy [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► Georgia church Kennedy well and I norman [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► Miller is on a two [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► episode wow you didn't get a lot of [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► two-part Barney Miller she was in and [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► and and I i watched all those shows with [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► my dad Barney Miller and operation [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► petticoat I mean I knew all that stuff [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► sure so I recognize him he was the one [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► guy in the cast and I recognize and you [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► know and he became like a pal and not [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► exactly a mentor because we didn't know [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► that not everyone has time for that [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► there's there's a lot of you put on the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► makeup [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► you gotta do your exercises you put just [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► with this kid is not kind of cool that [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► somebody would be nice to you in that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► situation they were all super nice and [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► you know it was so what year was that [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► AED 1980s wow so you are like what like [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► ten no twelve twelve 1980 and I mean it [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► was like the character the people that [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► the actors these people who had come up [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► to Alaska to play in this to be in this [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► play were absolutely like a Richard [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► Dreyfuss in goodbye girl I mean they [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► were the same it was basically four [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► years later and the same exact culture [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► of people it was like being at a it was [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► like being on the set of taxi or [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► I mean the girl though the women were [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► actually wearing leotards huh [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► because that was just what you wore I [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► mean they weren't wearing it on stage [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► they were just wearing it around because [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► leotards were that was the thing then [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► mostly it starts at Edmond good time so [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► I learned a lot but then immediately [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► afterwards I tried out I was flushed [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► with success and having been in this [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► massive production and I auditioned for [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► one for the for the oldest kid in enemy [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► of the people and i did not get the [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► roll-out I I that name rings about what [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► happens in that Gibson you're going to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► be an instant play sorry and I was and [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► it was like wow this was going to be my [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► this was going to be my big now I was [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► going to go from here to to the big big [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► time that works you like this for music [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► I mean you get a little bit of success [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► you build on that [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► ya know who could give sense of who got [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► your partner [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► they're blond kid some other blonde kid [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► that maybe wasn't so high on himself [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► because he had just been an auto [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► Baltimore they offered me the understudy [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► role but you know i have never been [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► particularly resilient to i'm not one of [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► those like pick yourself up dust [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► yourself off and go back at it you know [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► I was like I didn't get the role in any [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► of the people and everybody can sold me [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► and I rejected their consolation and I [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► was told we can't because you're [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► unworthy or because it just value I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► student [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► well it was just like I mean there who [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► knows whether they just cast the next [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► kid you know they don't care i think [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► it's pretty capricious John the way [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► these things happening 12 year olds who [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► they're not they're not trying to pick [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► us it's a lot of who you now this is [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► your last chance for special rarely come [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► into it [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► yeah and so but anyway I was like oh it [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► was not so much that I was devastated as [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► I was I took tremendous umbrage at [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► having been at I took umbrage at the [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► idea that there was another 12 year old [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► blonde kid in Anchorage who was as cute [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► as I was or potentially even cuter [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► I was like I was appalled by this and [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► unfortunately for me 12 years old was [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► the last I think probably four days [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► later I stop being cute and I was never [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► to meet again that's so that was it i [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► mean they made the right choice and they [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► picked me I would have gone i would have [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► become uncute onstage in front of the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► audience they went from night after [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► night they would have been like this kid [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► is becoming hideous what is a little bit [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► more of an awkward homunculus every [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► night just like every night I would have [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► grown a half an inch and my chin would [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► have would have grown dollars [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► yeah weird just like a pimples [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► blackheads [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► so anyway they probably picked an [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► eleven-year-old and they were safe for a [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► year [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► well you know you're certainly right now [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► in the kind of business where you need [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► it kind of really wanted and you gotta [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► put up with a lot but that theater [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► I mean you know you see a chorus line [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► i'm sure [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► I mean you've got a really wanted and [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► you've got to be like you know if you've [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► ever had to go on like nothing you've [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► ever had a job but like when you get a [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► job trying to get a job get the resume [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► and just got to get into this state [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► wants a Zen but you've got to get into a [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► certain certain state where you go like [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► it's my job to just show up a bunch and [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► understand that it's probably not going [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► to work out and then if I if I just keep [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► doing it long enough it'll happen maybe [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I is there anything worse [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► than a job [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► no well I mean getting a job getting a [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► job is worse than even I don't even have [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► well you know one addendum i mean i [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► think that the only thing worse than [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► having a job is losing a job but that [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► the I think this the secret that we [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► should share with people is that you'll [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► never lose a job if you don't get a job [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► I mean you lose things but you know in [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► America anyway them could be all of [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► North America except for Mexico like you [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► are like what you do when people meet [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► you then you know they don't ask you [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► what you're doing a favorite episode of [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► adventure time is they ask you what you [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► do and they cast really want to know [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► basically how much you make [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► they want to know whether they should [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► suck up to you right you I'm ringing a [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► bell right now [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► oh but i'm leaning back in my chair I [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► can't reach the bell so I'm just hitting [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► the table sound like Chris chef [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► no I was just hitting a roll of toilet [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► paper because it's the closest thing I [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► could reach as rivals ringing a roll of [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► toilet paper like it was a bell [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► because I agree with you mr. ok [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► successes that's a new up huh [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► um but you know I couldn't do that I [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► could do that hated that time in on and [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► i want to counsel my kids about this we [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► always talk about this and how tough it [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► is when you you know when you lose a job [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► especially if you're well first off [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► you're 20 if your twenties and you lose [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► a job [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► it feels like the end of the world [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► whether it's for cause or not because [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► you think like you don't even realize [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► how tenuous your grip on reality is when [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► you're in your early to mid-twenties I [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► really really really believe that [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► yeah and then you get a little older and [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► go and you know I didn't die like I can [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► suck it up for a while and even if i [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► don't have any money like I can [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► definitely find something you know I can [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► always wait on tables as people not [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► I've certainly not all the time but I [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► don't you get a little bit older and [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► like you I maybe not you but I want to [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► know if you met people like this you [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► have accumulated so much of your sense [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► of who you are but how quickly you can [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► kind of shortcut your introduction to [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► someone so so in the case of of this [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► Murdoch fella he could say yeah you may [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► know me from 1984 episode of remington [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► steele up or he's on st. elsewhere he [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► was on boys been in some cases not [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► cheers oh yeah yeah he was the guy i [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► remember seeing him on cheers this is [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► many years later and I was like k Jack [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► Murdock but like you know if you're [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► walking around you're like that you know [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► you're I don't know if your hamburger or [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► something you eat you can you can let [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► people know that like you can good [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► example if your Hindenburg he was a war [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► hero John I know [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► yeah would you pick someone younger [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► if I was you looking for example if i [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► was looking for her daughter Chancellor [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► is a president Chancellor Chancellor [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► Chancellor when you look for someone a [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► little younger [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► well yeah but you can't put a price on [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► war hero [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► that's true oh my god John he was in any [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► which way you can [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► oh my god he haha he's got quite a cv [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► basically that film shorts to wear this [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► sequel to every which way but loose any [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► which way you can I was a talented [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► orangutang up he's got his hands up in [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the air he did that a lot don't you did [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► I mean like I feel this all the time i'm [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► very interested in the idea of status [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► and and what a part part of what allows [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► me to be interested in status is I'm not [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► personally obsessed with it i'm going to [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► you and I have been in places where were [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► around famous people and I I let me say [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► I tend to unless it's somebody I really [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► like it like you know if it's scott [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► miller i want to run up and meet Scott [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► Miller but apart from that I kind of go [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► into the background because I I don't [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and you know i don't know you know this [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► is going to get into that theme in our [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► podcast which is this sense that that we [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► have Indian meeting and dealing with [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► young people [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► yeah that we do so much of you and I [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► that I would have to say John that I [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► think that's who are really trying to [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► reach with a lot of this material [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► yeah and a lot of young people i know [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► they are not averse to work they want to [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► work they want to have jobs that where [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► they do fulfilling work in the world [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► they want to make a contribution they [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► feel underused is the problem and they [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► do not see any because because nobody [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► joins IBM anymore as an [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► eighteen-year-old or twenty two-year-old [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► straight out of college and expects to [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► work for IBM for 40 years and [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► everybody's career path is this like a [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► game of Frogger where they're hopping [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► from log to lily pad to log and they [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► don't see a clear path and they feel [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► underused from the beginning and then [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► make it to be 27 28 years old and [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► there's still no path developing there's [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► still no sense that anything they've [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► done adds up to anything or that the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► next thing they're gonna do is on the [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► road to anywhere [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► uh-huh and so they have this that they [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► have this crushing futility and it isn't [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► that there is it isn't that they don't [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► want to work it's that they want to do [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► valuable work they have no idea how to [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► get there they've got a college degree [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► in something that they don't care about [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► all around them they they perceive [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► incorrectly but they perceived people [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► doing fun things you know they see paul [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► f tompkins being a comedian and they're [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► like why can't I be paul f tompkins and [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► they don't realize that there are 300 [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► million Americans and only one of them [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► is paul left unfinished serious how [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► everybody such a sink there so serious [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► so I'm always in this position of [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► talking to people whether just like [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► but-but-but I am 28 and I have a degree [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► in in in marketing marketing [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► communications communications i have a [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► have a goddamn college degree in [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► communications and i am working as a [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► barista or as a receptionist or as a you [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► know and I and I can't I can't do it [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► anymore i can I don't want to [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► I don't want to quit without knowing [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► what i'm going to do next but there is [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► no next and and yeah I feel for them [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► not every you know not everybody can go [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► be a banjo player who cares we're [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► already saturated especially after [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► supertrain well I got it I got an email [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► from a guy they uh after our last [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► episode who said and this is the amazing [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► thing about this podcast because every [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► time we every time we do anything i get [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► 10 emails from people and I'm always [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► astonished at who is listening who this [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► guy says my my job is that I am a [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► researcher at the International Court in [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► The Hague and for the lassie he had for [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► the last however many years my job has [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► been to sit in a room and go over [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► evidence of bosnian of the bosnian [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► genocide well and what they you know [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► what they do is they give me a name and [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► they say find this guy's name in this [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► archive of 1 billion documents God and [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► so he's you know he's he wrote me this [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► thing is like you know I whatever I [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► whenever I think I can't take it anymore [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► you know I look to my left and I look to [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► my right and the people that I'm working [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► with you know are reading the autopsy [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► reports of their relatives and [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► and you know so we he and I had a little [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► exchange on the email basically around [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► the topic of the fact that the more [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► although week although we become [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► obsessed with searching for meaning in [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► these seas senseless acts we feel like [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► if we just watch one more Holocaust [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► documentary or we just read one more [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► book about Bosnia or rwanda we're going [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► to unlock it somehow we're going to see [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► we're going to find that missing puzzle [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► piece that explains how your friends and [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► neighbors how normal human beings who [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► were working in an office two weeks ago [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► are now like chewing on the shin bones [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► of the children who lived next door [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► how what is the key you know and he was [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► saying after all these years of working [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► in this situation reading these [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► documents i come to the same conclusion [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► you do which is that there is no [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► learning more about it you can learn all [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► there is to know [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► and there is no sense you can ever make [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► of it there that you never find a key [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► it's just you just keep it just keep [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► watching Holocaust documentaries you [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► don't ever see you don't ever find it [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► and I said how in the fuck did you get [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► that job you know like where how did [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► that and he he told me his story which [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► is just like he was just gonna need a [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► jock needed a job he was sitting in a [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► bar and he was kind of talking shit out [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► loud in a bar about the world and some [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► guys cycles over to man is like well you [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► know if you really feel that way you [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► should you should do something about you [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► should work [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► you know you should work for this work [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► for that and he got a job [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► initially I think sharpening pencils or [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► or pushing it pushing a cart up and down [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► the hallway and eventually he finds his [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► way into this room where am I you know [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► where he's listening he's got headphones [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► on and he's listening to people testify [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► about massacres [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► seems like one of the mm no let's see [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► one of the worst job in the world but it [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► sounds like a very challenging job [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► because you know i mean what could be [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► worse than having to deal with that [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► subject matter but also have to deal [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► with so much boring paperwork because [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► you know what I mean like he's gotta go [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► you know what I mean like he's gotta go [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► fine you know it's a it's a legal [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► proceeding he can't get a kind of half [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► right i'm pretty sure it's in here [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► somewhere [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah it's only gonna be a lot [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► of like a staple it to the other thing [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► no I mean they're gonna ask questions [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► he's got good lawyers you know but it's [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► 0 & but I mean who I'm court but you [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► know Merlin I mean you know are you are [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► are somebody who takes a tremendous [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► amount of pleasure in writing things [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► down on cards and shuffling them around [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► you know who you know how much [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► satisfaction you can get now I don't [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► know if you are a compulsive checkbook [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► balancer but you know there are all [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► these different permutations of this [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► desire to border and any in the world [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► and what what do you think John and some [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► of it something in it that was three [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► times as much money in here [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► some of it is you turn over the card and [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► it's a picture of a pair of red [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► high-heeled shoes whatever that was for [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► if you turn over another card and some [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► brown sandals you turn over another card [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► it's red high-heeled shoes you match the [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► two cards and you pull that were to take [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► game called it's called to match don't [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► you match so so you're playing a game [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► issue match and that is that is a career [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► that whatever the whatever the the the [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► meaning it is that's that's being [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► attached to matching the pieces of paper [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► you can at a certain point turn off the [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► other data and just be like i need to [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► find that I need to find the name that's [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► on this document and find it on these [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► other documents and the fact that these [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► other documents are all about firing [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► squads and mass graves i'm going to [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► leave aside for a little while i'm just [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► going to find I'm gonna find the [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► matching name but for something that [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► field at this is so not meant to be as [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► good as it sounds but it's not that [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► different for being a reference [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► librarian [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► we're like you know finding out the [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► total number of people killed at [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► Treblinka is not that different from the [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► quadratic equation know your information [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► gatherer and your job is to find the [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► best version of truth that we know of [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► and have [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► access to in the time you have for me to [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► find this well and that is why that is [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► why the horror of history is so muted I [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► mean right now world war 2 is still and [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► and Bosnia they're still so horrible [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► because they're the they're still [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► reverberating in living people but i [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► cannot find and believe me I have tried [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► a single person that is that is really [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► horrified by the events of the thirty [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► years war [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► oh the thirty years war was a terrible [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► terrible terrible [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► that's not my problem with becoming an [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► Agincourt buff if there's no [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► reenactments everybody wants to do the [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► speech and then that's about it but who [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► I mean imagine a tank or climbing like [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► there were people that died at Agincourt [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► because they were just buried under dead [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► bodies and and they couldn't move [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► because they were because they were into [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► our member ten-to-one didn't hurt like [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► imagine imagine dying because you are [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► crushed under dead bodies and you drown [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► in the mud like there are terrible [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► terrible things that have happened but [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► over over the over the course of time [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► they just become history and we we write [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► them down on three-by-five cards we file [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► them away and we no longer have an [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► emotional attachment to them [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► I mean when one of the interesting [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► things about slavery in America is it's [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► a hundred and fifty years ago but it is [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► still very present because the because [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► the map the cultural memory continues to [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► be passed down and reinforced but there [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► are a lot of other terrible things that [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► happened in 1860 up that you know that [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► are that have just passed into the into [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► the ether nobody still mad about it [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► well this is this is a very much the [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► part working at need to cut out haha i [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► doubt i mean i think you have to do you [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► have to take my found out found out [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► about scooted forward on what is a [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► screenshot of him in any which way you [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► can that's really really funny you're [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► talking about the jack yeah apparently [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► passed by the way past 2000 190 I [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► remember when he died [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► and i don't know why i think it is that [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► I have honestly I have checked in with [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► Jack Murdock over the years you just see [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► what's doing check-in yeah you like Jack [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► Martin what I was doing I mean I still [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► have my script around you're kidding [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► auto Baltimore's in Samuel French book [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► one of those little like license to like [TS]