00:00:05 ◼ ► I John hi Merlin how's it going good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/5">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► surely it's early it's literally my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/12">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► daughter's got a persistent cough yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/25">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► it's going around everybody's got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► yeah it's it's gotten productive which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► yeah that's bad yeah it's just taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/33">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► expectorant as much as I'd like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/36">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► totally fine with driving our daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► up in my wife is kind of rude about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/41">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► OIC yeah but there's a lot going around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/43">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► everything's going around the edges are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/49">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► throughout my sponges all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/55">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► they're disgusting scott simpson Bobby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► someone he considered some kind of magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/58">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► Japanese sponge prices for everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► yeah and I and it was it's great except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► it's a white sponge yeah now if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► going to if you're going to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/71">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► sponger color don't make a white now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► that's a terrible color that first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► I used it then it looked like i used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► on something that was dirty and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► had like a permanently dirty sponge you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► gotta live with that I gotta live with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► that I'll every time I go to the sink i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/85">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► turn the water and look down and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► this sponge that's like spoiled well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/88">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► you know a lot of its breeding I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► like we're not from wealthy families and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► you know certain kinds of things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► home you use them until they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/98">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► usable anymore that's my background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► yeah but scott simpson you're saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/102">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► would they use the sponge once and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► they threw it out the window and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/107">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► mm I think that's where he is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► absolutely as you know he's extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► rich from a context is rich and but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/114">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► think he's from a very modest background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/118">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► to with one exception of ever told you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► this you know his mom had a band and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/122">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► yeah GD had uniforms like it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► marching band i don't think so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► they did you really yeah they played out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/131">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► you know that kind of playing out where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/134">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► you play at your friends events and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► guessing they probably would just assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► I don't know children yeah yeah and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► so he was in a amazing situation that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► would have killed for which is he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/145">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► just walk downstairs with his pals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► there's a hole in the basement there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/149">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► like a whole setup we could just walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/150">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► down there and like play instruments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► this just brings me to an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► internal dilemma that I have which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/157">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► that I went to a pop music conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► last weekend when I was the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/164">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► yeah like where this is going and fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/170">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► blah blah blah speech but I got to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► top conference early in contravention of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► my normal method i'm showing up to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► event one second before i take the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► it's better for security reasons if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► nothing else I when I went instead and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/187">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► attended out maxing out in the green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► well no he did not now he walked in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/194">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► that was the beginning of a satisfactory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► could see the door so I go to this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► and I go to all these panels and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► happening in bellingham washington ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/203">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► is sure to you sure you rather I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/204">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► mm-hmm I every one of these panels is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/209">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► blowing my mind and it's blowing my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/216">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► primarily because they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/217">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► pop music and pop news business but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/219">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► there is an element of like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/222">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► expectation of the panelists was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► they would address some issues they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► would address the issue of social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/232">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► justice they would address the issue of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► community building and inclusiveness as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► they were answering questions about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► do i get my band signed and how do I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/242">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► know like how do i promote my record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► above via social media but how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► about also how do I further the cause of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► social justice and increased diversity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► into Poppins or in in like the music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/258">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► and and there was and there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► predictable amount of like sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► mild college like bubbling hostility in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/267">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► that goes along with both the asker's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/273">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► and the answers of questions like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/276">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► and the whole you know the whole day the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► premise was like um yeah hi um I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/281">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► wondering why are there not more Inupiaq [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► rock bands as anybody really thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/289">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► about that and like maybe we should all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/292">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► look at our our playlists and see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/295">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► that like we don't have any Inupiat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/299">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► I don't know i'm not sure my question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► M and the end up for the person that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► on the panel is like like someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► works in the music business and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► like uh ah I don't you know like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/314">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► like absolutely flabbergasted at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► how to try to answer that question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/323">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► well cast question maybe the were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/324">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► aware and where the other panelists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► aware that social justice would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► focus of the bellingham pop conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► or howhow prepared were you in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/333">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► yeah well my remarks had no elements no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► social social justice consideration in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/343">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► them since Ron hey Ron I was up there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/346">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► was getting ready to give a keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/351">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► speech at this bar conference that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► basically a hate crime and so on the fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► I through my notes in the garbage can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► and I should recycle that's i did in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► fact i did in fact recycling and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► and truth be told i was using Merlin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► Mann three-by-five cards which I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► used to do but i do it now and an homage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/372">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► to you thank you so so by the time I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/375">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► to my by the time we arrived at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► keynote speech i had been to 10 panels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/381">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► and every one of them have this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/384">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► like we need to search our souls to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► how we can make it easier for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/391">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► to become a rock star and and by that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► don't mean like how to make it easier in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► the world for everybody to be a rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/402">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► star and then also by the way how do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► get my band on the radio and so i got up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► at things I mean just to be honest I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► mean being a rock star seems pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► phallocentric and patriarchal well don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/413">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► you think I mean shouldn't we shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/417">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► we all be equal i can like I i could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/418">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► speak to that and and and part of it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► just that like being a rock star really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/425">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► i mean that's really that's really still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► thing that we do what I wanted in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► guitar at the spot but I wanted to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► wanted to address it because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► there were actually some very thoughtful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► panelists and and and in general you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/441">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► know I I feel like that I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► yeah I I just feel like people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► allergies should be allowed to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/454">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► coachella but there's a lot of dust in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/457">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► coachella accessible to people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► allergies like I feel like that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► question is is almost reflexive in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/467">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► students now where they're not invested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► in in the question they are sitting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► there sitting in a lecture hall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/481">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► they're thinking how can i like how do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/482">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► phrase a question that is going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► that's going to be kind of a mic drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/489">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► under-represented group of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► nobody thought of and now you're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► wishing that you had thought of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► music is chella it's kinda it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/503">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► yeah exactly not that much power there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► and probably a fairly scant amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/510">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► yeah that and there isn't and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► and it has become a scenario where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► people are not actually seeking equality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/517">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► it is just a it's just a a game of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/522">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► the inequality and so gold star for me i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► asked a question and now I can go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/533">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► to to facebooking and the professor the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/535">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► professor in every case is forced by by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► the by the energy or by the by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► convention that he has to he or she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/545">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► to consider that question legitimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/548">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► you know what I mean like the professor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/551">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► the professor is not in a position to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► say you know what that's a that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► irrelevant question or or or rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► rather the answer which is is ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/558">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► true which is it is impossible to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► the world completely accessible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► everyone it is simply impossible and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► every question phrased within the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► know within the umbrella of our end game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► is to make everything absolutely even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► and fair is it is the same question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/581">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► basically and it doesn't matter whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/583">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► you are saying in New Piet's or people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► with allergies or people with social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► anxiety disorder it is the same question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► over and over which is how do we make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► the world completely fair and we cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► so what we can do is inspire in certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► places but it isn't but the game is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► to just keep keep finding a smaller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/602">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► yeah anyway so i get up at the pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/607">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► conference and I say the the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/610">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► about making art is that the best art is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/615">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► made in reaction to restriction or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► limitation that the the the culture in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/625">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► prague in the seventies and sixties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/630">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► playwrights and artists that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/635">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► working in reaction to the regime and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/638">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► soon as the regime fell all of that art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/643">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► come in name up check play right now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► can't really because who knows one and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/651">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► well there was that one that became the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► president of the country you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► is that is the role that are played at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/659">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► that came up in a repressive regime now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► there are probably 1,000,000 check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/666">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► playwrights and none of them stand out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/668">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► and the reality is we have made making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► pop music incredibly easy there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/672">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► anyone of any age or gender can do as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/676">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► much pop music as they want but it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► not improved the quality of pop music if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/683">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► you know what I mean like there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► million bands now and none of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► good because having a barrier to entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► having it be difficult is what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► people make good art they make good art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/697">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► experiencing the challenge of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/704">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► forced to make art as their primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► voice you know it was me it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/711">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► making a diamond like you don't make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► diamond by by spreading out the soil and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► you know and and you know there has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► be a certain for that passion to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► yeah maybe it's a reaction maybe there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► influences but they're happy some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/725">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► kind of a crucible I think in most cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► but like in that the whole thing is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/729">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► misdirected I don't even know where to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► like if so you're going to create social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► justice by coming in and talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► pop music in a room I I can't even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► can't even begin to address that but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► are they are they people in bellingham I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► mean so i'm guessing it was an extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/750">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► diverse audience of people who had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/752">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► time to come in and go to a pop music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/755">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► conference about social justice better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► zinc extraordinarily diverse there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► no there was the white kid that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► making it pop em there was the highways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/762">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► that was making aI don't know there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/765">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► a there's a half asian guy but he was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► anyway the the the the point of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► was I have been I've been wrestling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/773">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► since the time my daughter was born with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► the fact that I have a house full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/778">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► and when i was growing up i bought my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/781">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► first guitar a while i bought my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/786">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► guitar from my sisters friend who bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/787">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► she my sister had a friend who is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/793">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► she and her friend we're going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/795">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► an all-girl duran duran cover band and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► my sister bought a keyboard and her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► friend Tracy butter guitar and they set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/802">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► up in the basement and they put their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► fedoras on and their scarves and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/808">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► pirate shirts and they put on Rio and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► plugged in their keyboard in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/817">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► guitar and and went back like like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► like like like and they realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► they couldn't play these instruments and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► and didn't have a real interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► learning an instrument they just wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► to be in a drain cover band right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► so they say stacked the instruments in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/833">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► the corner where they SAT gathering dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► and I walked past him everyday and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► looked at them and a about a month later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► I i said to the two girls i was like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/845">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► I'm guys gonna do anything with those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/848">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► and Tracy sold me her guitar for 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► bucks and my sister course out of spite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► said don't touch my keyboard and it sat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► in the corner she went off the ski sat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► she never touched it I never touched it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► it had an inch of dust on it eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► and then at one point she owed me some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/870">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► money and I was like I'll take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/872">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► keyboard and she was happy to have it go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► so i ended up with all the duran duran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/878">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► I don't want to really from the daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/882">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► thing because I'd love to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/884">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► that but there's this other part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/886">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► that obsesses me in the things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► think about which is on the one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► sort of trying to solve the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/891">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► problem and how that's not how the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► thing that you can do for somebody it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/895">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► you had experienced similar experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► is to help them understand that as Noble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► or as theoretically interesting as your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► goals are if you're trying to solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► wrong problem you're going to Burma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► screwed because and then you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► dig in further and get deeper and deeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► and matter and matter and demonstrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► but you know I think our entire culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/914">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► is trying to solve their own problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/917">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► but will they sure are there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/918">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► three problems with this and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/920">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► second one is that you know carpenters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► who make a lot of furniture don't go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► conferences and ask about social justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/926">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► and carpentry they go out and they build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► lots of stuff and then they try to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► decent human beings and they understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► that those are are pretty different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/934">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► things if you don't get your hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/935">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► you're never gonna solve the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► problem that was persuaded there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► one panelist who said something very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► constantly hear about institutionalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/948">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► inequality and I'm for people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/951">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► our age we've been hearing about it our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/954">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► whole our whole adult lives I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► was a this was a concept that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► introduced to us first but during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/960">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► civil rights movement where where we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► had to be educated to the fact that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► because now blacks had the right to vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► did not necessarily mean that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/973">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► equal opportunity in the in the country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► Education of people who had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► experienced deprivation that they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/984">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► learn like oh I see what you mean if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► grow up in a place where there is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► institutionalized even if on the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/995">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► of things everybody has the same rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► you really are having a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► experience of living in America and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► is a tremendous it does present a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► tremendous disadvantage right so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► was a process of Education that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► in America over the course of our our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► whole lives it's been happening and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► time has gone on that franchise of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► disenfranchisement has been extended so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► then it was then immediately how you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► sensibilities of of really deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► systematically oppressed peoples and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► then apply to people with bikes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► but but when when the when the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► happened it was a say it was a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► process of like oh wait a minute you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► mean even even well-to-do women who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► lived a comfortable lives in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► are also write disenfranchised wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► that's a new that's a new mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► technology and everybody never would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► have thought of that right yeah and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► took years to sink in and again that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► happen throughout the course of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► lives and and so then yeah then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► franchise kept getting extended until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► now it's like people with people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► allergies people with a myopia people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► with social anxiety disorder people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► whatever and they are they are it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► know making themselves equivalent to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► people who have to actually struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► between hates that is people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► actually struggled in well and also me i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► expectancy I think there's a tendency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► among among everybody and in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► a dare I say it among those of us who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► who are constantly reminded that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► benefit from the structure which is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► say white men we benefit from the from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► the inequality and we benefit from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► unconsciously and they're there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► tendency on our part to say oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► we've been hearing about this our whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► can we can we stop fighting the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► battle but I had had a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► it right i heard of an interesting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► on one of the panels which was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► thoughtful woman who said you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► I was in fourth grade and i joined band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► i wanted to play the trumpet and i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► guided by the hand over to the clarinets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► and flutes in and as she said it I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► like well of course of course you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► the clarinet and flute is the girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► instrument of the trumpet is a boy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► instrument and it it was a it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► a example of of of this kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► ingrained institutionalized gender role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► based inequality that i had heard in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► you know because I because you're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► used to being politicized about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► people's talking about like a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► friend of mine came home and said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► know quoted the oft-quoted statistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► like women are paid 72 cents on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► dollar and I said is that true at your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► at your office or do you feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► are paid 72 cents to the dollar that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► your comparably educated and talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► co-workers paid and she said what no of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► course not right and I said does anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► you know work in an environment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► that is the case and she said no and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► statistic but but when you say it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► you say it when you come home and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► like women are paid 72 cents on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► dollar it is a you say it with with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► considerable amount of peak you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► angry about it but it isn't something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► personally experiencing so who are those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► people who are being paid 72 cents on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► the dollar if you guys if you if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► making the equivalent of your male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► counterparts that means in order for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► there must be women somewhere in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► who are being paid thirty cents on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► dollar right and I wonder if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► really if if there if there are two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► people working the same job and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► them is because of her gender really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► being paid that much or if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► statistic that has been massaged and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► repeated so many times that we take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► as we take it as given without examining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► say that I walked away from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► experience both like kind of newly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► serious about this trumpet the trumpet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► flute trumpet discrimination the trumpet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► discrimination and also like and also my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► feeling was reinforced that that that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► one is can no one is really talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► about like what's the what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► long-term plan for this movement that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► has become an institution now it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► revolutionary movement to extend equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► rights to all that is that is a Marxist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► argument ultimately to each according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► his need from each according to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► ability and we are we are very happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► fight little tiny battles about it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► day every day my twitter feed is full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► people saying well there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► example of a war on women and and then i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► click through the link and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► something that just is it is just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► particularly an example of a war on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► I mean a you know it is just two parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► is that the drive me a little bananas i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► mean the the metal part is I really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► really resent being saddled with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► idea that like because i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► abstractions I don't think that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► are important things I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► important if you want to fucking raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► want you to ask for one in because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► statistics about other people became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► point is statistics about ourselves but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► you know at the one on the one hand I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► understand why you would want to adopt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► that attitude because it can be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► powerful and can help help bring people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► together but the second part is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► always is so frequently seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► about like legislating a change of heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► and people that aren't you using all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► let's sit around in this room and set an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► agenda for how we can make other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► better you know and and like images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► ladies change of heart in someone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► yeah that's that is perfect that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► well if you if you want social justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► want to get off your ass like once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► stop treating it as a problem that needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► to be solved by a panel of people in pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► music and why don't you go out and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► something and if you want the Rays ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► for you can see if you want to still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► like hang your head and and talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► how like you know oppressed you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► that's certainly something you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► free to do but you know we've come a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► long way from the 1960s it if you go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► you if you feel like you're getting 72 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► cents on the dollar ask for a fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► raise that's your that's who you are if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► you want to be going power yourself go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► get out there and do it and if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► find a way to bring social justice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► conference and go out there and do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► get your hands around the problem learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► which parts of it you can do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► about and quit worrying about how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► change the rest of the world because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► yeah the at I think that is the kind i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► think that is ultimately the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► that is the string that resonates most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► deeply it's good enough women do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► then it's not going to be a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► well ultimately all these questions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► our questions that are resolved when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► raise your kids right and when you raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► your kids to think differently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► behave differently in the world and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► really is a it really is a thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► you you change your own heart you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► evangelize yourself you are the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► mission field and then your family and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► really the I had a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► exchange of a few years ago on twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► where I when I asked somebody I I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► of asked the the group this exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► really really changed the hearts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► minds of the people or who are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► you know i mean i think in America we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► see a lot of the division that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► now like the clear division between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► two halves of our nation a lot of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► prescriptive law to change the hearts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and minds of half the population what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► what what a legacy of efficacy we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► yeah so we keep saying I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► abortion rights issue is a thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► have been we've been fighting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► battle of the bloody cultural battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► that takes up all of our you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► takes up the whole center of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► national dialogue and the the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► that the that Roe versus Wade was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► badly decided piece of law and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► why it's constantly under assault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1618">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► because they think they can beat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► they think it's bad law and they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► anti-abortion people yeah the Act the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► anti-abortion people think they can beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► it because it's it is bad law and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► just a matter of time before the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► combination of supreme court justices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► decide to look at it you know it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► narrow confines of the of the legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► decision and overturn it not be not on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► moral basis but overturn it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► you know because it was kind of a shitty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► piece of legal thinking but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► reality i think is that it bro vs wade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► was overturned there would be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► would be an immediate and mad rush to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► write new law in its place that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► I mean the of the best thing that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► happen to the abortion rights movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► is that Roe versus Wade be overturned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► because the next piece of law would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► I mean I feel like the I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Ark of social justice is long are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► are the arc of history is long but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► I think that's absolutely true i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► that that it is inevitable that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► becoming more liberal and more inclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and more accessible to everyone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► but but we keep trying to we keep trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► to use the the lever of law to bring all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► these people that are that are Gina that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► really all we can do is kind of wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► them to die and wait for their kid wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► for their kids to approve gay marriage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► you know that we could have made gay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► marriage legal by the force of law 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► years ago and it would have it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► have sparked a armed insurrection in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► South but we suffered those 20 years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► now it's happening and it's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► not because we check now because the law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► forced people and not because which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► really change anybody's minds but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► because the young people came up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► they liked MTV and they watched Sheena [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► queen of the desert and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► yeah that seems reasonable and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► just attitudes changed and this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► persuaded by by malcolm x and x a martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► luther king when they said you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► wherever told by YT is that we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► wait it's not time yet we need to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► and we're done waiting we're tired of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► that and the time is now and I and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► that was very persuasive and it produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► it produced real action real motion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► had you know where culturally we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► stalled in this weird separate-but-equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► but there but that mentality like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► you say well you know after after fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► thousand years like maybe get maybe give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► it another ten when you when you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► that now what we're talking about sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► of any kind of kind of sea change in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► culture you say that to a group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► people and they're they're so quick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► say like that's what every white man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► says wait don't think about going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► practical example you know if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► it's obviously it's more related to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► own merits but if you've ever had a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► you know that there's some really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► time to ask for a raise and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► terrible times to ask for the Rays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► if you really do want to raise I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► isn't completely related but if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► to get a raise and it means a lot to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► you have to prepare for that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► have you have to know all of the facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► and understand them in context with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► reality and the truth is there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► better and worse time to ask for a raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► but if you are prepared when that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► does come you're gonna have a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► better chance whether or not like have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► no matter how much you want it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► matter what matters is whether you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► prepared and and then in context can ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► it at the right time where somebody will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► of course i'll give you a raise not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► stupid but you know but the fact just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► doesn't kind of kind of doesn't it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► certainly there have been things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► changed but but i'm with you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► know there's two times that I I feel a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► little bit p kid from you again things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► like Twitter but also just the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► world like obviously doing sports events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► but the other thing is during elections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► because every election or anytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► there's some kind of political tumbled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► going on everybody's pick their side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► ec least in my Twitter feed or amongst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► my friends I see everybody locking arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► to make fun of the other side to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► browbeat them to call them stupid and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► talk about all the ways that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► wrong wrong wrong and wrong wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► this is this is maybe really reductive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► but this is how I look at it I will ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► you exactly one question when is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► last time that somebody calling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► stupid and saying how little you knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► change your mind because people can sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► funny Fox TV and shoot fish in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► conservative barrel but honestly if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► you're so goddamn smart when is the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► time that you sat and watched fox news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► and heard about how stupid you are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► you want you know what I am kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► I don't think people do that i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► think it's effective and all it does i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► mean on a larger scale obviously it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► makes us more you know we start to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► the other side is inhuman and as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► you see that quote unquote other side to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► begin with let you know what we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► kind of in the same pot and the more we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► try and find some kind of a common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► ground and certainly the politicians do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► the better off there but I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► say is like you know in addition to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► being an incredibly complex problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► I don't think you change hearts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► minds through either legislation or by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► reconsidering around a room all day long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► and and come up with some kind of bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► of rights for people who play mandolins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► but i'm not sure that's going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► black people any better off when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► comes time to go to bonnaroo em whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► there's a lot of impact in that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► sound angry there's a thing on there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► nothing on out that you know local or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► the California Public Radio think today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► that was really got me thinking I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► it's related and it has to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► aging population the last the oldest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► the oldest of baby boomers turned she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► the youngest baby boomers turn like 65 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► this year the point being that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► fewer and fewer there are more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► who are going to need benefits or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► benefits that they have coming to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► and fewer and fewer people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► going to be able to supply it right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► you know what compounds that hugely is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► that due to things like the bat like bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► economies and things like legislation we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► don't have enough immigrants coming here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► anymore and we don't have enough illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► immigrants coming here anymore and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► all the sudden everything that we did to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► keep immigrants from coming here through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► legislation and so forth is now harming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► california in addition to have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► less people that does to sit there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► the Sun and pick lettuce that no white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► person was to pick now we also have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► bigger problem of we're not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► able to pay for all of these things so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► consequences to all these sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► things but it really comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► get off twitter and could do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► about it if it matters to you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► something about it you know Martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► Luther King did not sit around typing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► hundred forty characters and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► it's just that you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► invested in that you're invested until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► the next to change a color your icon an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► angry now and we're going to get us on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► the next thing comes along I'm less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► worried about people you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► chattering classes on Twitter and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► and but they think they're helping John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► well I know but I don't contributing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► the body politic but I don't care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► them but now the real that the the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► difference that is that if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► happening among people who really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► off their asses and doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► um is that you know the that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► the fundamental liberal project has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► since the since the fifties but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► really since the sixties to imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► we are creating a utopia in America and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► there are a lot of people who who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► want it or don't get it and we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► to help them along by forcing them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► open their mind that will try education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► you know what will try to educate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► if it doesn't work we can we get a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► yeah and and through through a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► like Great Society style like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► big projects like busing and housing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► projects and you know of a legislative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► approach and a social engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► approach liberalism said about to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► a utopia by dragging people along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► kicking and screaming and not not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► everybody of course but but dragging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► recalcitrant people along who straps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► you know there was a moment sometime in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► the seventies and I and I sense this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► know i said at this moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► crackpot conservatism became mainstream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► was there was this there was just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► this overflow point right around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► time that that governments were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► well you know you can no longer have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► all-male a smoking club like you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► your buddies started this club you sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► discriminatory that your that you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► requirement that it be all dude so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► have to open the doors and well at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► at the moment where we reach down into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► the culture and started saying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► general you can no longer you can no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► longer be just some dudes in a in a club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► you have it's against the law now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► was the that was the personal moment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► think we're conservatism at became the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► ascendant movement because there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► just a lot of people in the world who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► instinctively do not want to be told who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► they can hang out with and it isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► that their response wasn't yet coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► from a place of of racism or sexism it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► was coming from a deeply personal place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► where some suddenly somebody with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► clipboard somebody like that EPA agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► in Ghost Busters guy an officious you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► clipboard was saying thank man shut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► down and and people just like the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► tell the farmers they can't build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► skyscrapers right ma no remember thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► about land rights and the Holy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► exactly exactly that's always somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► and the thing about the thing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► land rights question is it is persuasive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► to me because we are all we are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► using the same water and the same suit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► and likewise the the the the men's club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► argument is persuasive in the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► we are all using the same water in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► same sewage but this was the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► where where people who already felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► the this liberal project was pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► you know what their heels dug in pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► them toward a world that they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► see and didn't understand and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► became a precipitate got personally it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► came down to their streets exactly where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► it was like wait a minute now I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► brother-in-law because it's one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► for California to come up with a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► of free stuff for mon or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► now you're you really are literally in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► you're down you're down here like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► telling me how to do my business right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► liberalism said well this is how it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► to happen we have to go around like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► scene in Doctor Zhivago where we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► all of a sudden post-revolution dr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► Zhivago and his family who used to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► in a 30 room mansion are now there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► knock on the door and there's a woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► with a clipboard and she is moving other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► dis you know she's moving families into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► Chicago's are now they're just living on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► one floor their home and pretty soon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► whole family is living in one room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► curtains off with sheets sounds a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► like Warsaw now right yeah well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► exactly right and and and the premise is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► like how could you jog owes have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► living in such luxury while people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► poor on the street you know people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► dying in the cold and now everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► living together in a rat's Warren if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► you're holding the collective of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► equality in your old family mansion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► congratulations now you know we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► arrived at a at at ya Marxist equality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► which is squalor for koala for all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► but that you know feeling trying to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► it's very hard now to hear somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► you from Arkansas or somebody even from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► Seattle who is who has a large dodge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► truck that maybe maybe has some truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► nuts hanging from the back bumper but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► those are illegal in California new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► clothes they are listening to them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► know bitch and moan with it with a ton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► of vitriol about how obama is coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► sensibilities to not feel like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► the matter with you cry babies my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► like man up but the fact is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► expressing their expressing a discontent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► that's 40 years old that is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► discontent with the with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► premise of the whole liberal project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► which is that we are headed toward a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► utopia and you are coming whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► like it or not and you something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► kind of authentic about that whether I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► agree with it or not there's this basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► thing that I i said this before but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► really believe there aren't that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► I think most people think other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► are stupid very few people say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► what I'm really stupid and need people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► to massage my understanding of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► in such a way that I can be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► citizen but the key thing about being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► ignorant is that you are first primarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► ignorant of how stupid you are that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► the difference between to me the dancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► stupidity and ignorance ignorance can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► cured if if you you know can learn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► but you you're onto something i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► which is that people i think this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► might be shooting fish in a liberal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► barrel here maybe going to the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► foods barrel but you know it's funny to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► oh it's hard to say no it's amazing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► me like how many people you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► live in pac heights you live in berkeley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► and you're you're very very comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► in your surroundings by and large and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► you're more than happy to institute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► institute you know I'll whatever public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► housing what you know what we have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► house for public housing tweet us your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► kid across town is that cool with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► are you really are you really super into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► that something some people are i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► out that moved here and it's frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► moved here specifically to be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► the great San Francisco experiment right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► they use public transit they have a they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► have their kid go to the school that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► like it's a sign to them and that's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► difficult sometimes but their values [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► authentic than people who are going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► and you know astroturfing polls on CNN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► and make sure the right side wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► because i don't think i've set again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► don't think you care about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► until you've sacrificed for it and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► you care that much about all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► like why don't you put your money where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► your mouth is you put your life where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► your mouth is because it's if you agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► if you just stipulate for one week that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► you're stupid and you need other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► to tell you what to do your eyes open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► how the world operates and you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► there's much more to this persuasion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► utopian or otherwise of trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► somewhere better than telling people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► that they're stupid and need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► hammered into complicity or into you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► I just wish that you know liberalism is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► very self-reflective in some ways narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► corridors but there is not a historic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► self-reflection that applies to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► we've been doing since world war two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► if if we were able as a culture to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► back and say um we tore down all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► tenement buildings on the lower east [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► side and we built massive brick housing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► projects and we did it because we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► we were so we're solving all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► problems hygiene problems we were we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► were solving the the incredible mess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► unruly mess of downtown New York that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► was full of immigrants and we could and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► nobody you know everybody was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► waiting through sewage and and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► were there was a watch shop next to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► how can this stand we're going to we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► going to bulldoze it we're gonna pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► those block after block and we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► to build these neat and tidy housing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► this giant government undertaking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► we're going to provide a clean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► secure neighborhood environment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► people and it's going to uplift the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► people that we can social engineer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► now you see like oh my god what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► cabrini-green projects in Chicago became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► the most dangerous place in the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► well I was driving to Chicago one time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► in the in the mid-eighties and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► advised by a policeman not to stop at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► red lights and I said message received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► like he's that don't you just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► through this part of the city i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► not i would not wait for the light to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► change you know we had this neat idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► that we would find a way to take all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► the desperate people with nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► lose and then stack them up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► cordwood well and in a place where we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► did not have we have the mandate to tear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► down the old neighborhood and build this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► but we did not have the mandate to fund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► it right we did not have the mandated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► to follow through on that which is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► that you don't just you don't just tear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► down people's neighborhoods and put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► in high-rises and then automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► they have become a philosopher scholars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► like you then also have to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► money to make those schools in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► neighborhood the best schools there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► and have job training programs and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► and it does not work if if you you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► also experiencing a nationwide decline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► in manufacturing and even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► can't you can't do that and then also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► closed all the factories and but but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► we are it is very hard for us to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► back at that and say that was a liberal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► project with the with the end goal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► creating a utopia and what it created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► was a blight and it created it created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► in a lot of ways it precipitated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► death of the inner-city that took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► foresters don't was still trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► recover from we're still trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► and you know the story of Detroit is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► that when they were building the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► interstate highway system they slammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► the interstate right through the heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► neighborhood and they just they just cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► it in half and and killed it in in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► fell swoop and it it produced so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► anger in the city of Detroit in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► what was at the time you know a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► vibrant and alive black community of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► music and art that you know Detroit went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► through 12 40 years where it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► recreational to go burn down abandoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► houses like that was something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► people did on weekends like let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► burn some houses because they had lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► badly they could completely lost their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► feeling that the city belong to them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► talk about everybody in Detroit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► what was what was eventually what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► interstates worse it were just a liberal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► project they were Eisenhower II and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► also support industry it would make make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► it easier for people in the suburbs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► get to their job was it was a big it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► a big social engineering concept like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► here's what we're going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► instead of being stuck in traffic all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► day when doing your way into this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► neighborhood where the hat shop is next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► we're gonna just tear it all down we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► going to build a big spaceport out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► brick everybody's guys need some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► modernity they really do we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► bring some Brutalism in here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► independent is going to improve every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► the quality of everybody's life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► fifty years from now everybody is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► to be dancing like in those buck rogers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► television shows in the early eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► where people are holding onto that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► whole holding on to my place your calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► or something holding onto ribbons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► pleasure balls and they're dancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► around to brian eno music and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► going to be the future if we just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► rid of all this all up of if we just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► rid of the center of the city where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► naturally do which is frankly like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► but that's who we are you know so I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► that I wish that liberalism had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► forward-thinking like ideology to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► little bit of backward-looking and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► we have we have tried to engineer a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► utopia multiple times where education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► and government action enlightened the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► people and expand once it was patiently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► explained to them that equal rights for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► all was was beneficial and economically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► like advantageous everybody got it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► then we were living in a we were living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► in a future world where all the children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► are Mochaccino colored and we sit around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► on the steps of our pantheon and reed st [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► louis plays to one another and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► the America that we hoped for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► inspire to but everybody and and frankly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► a lot of things a lot of things we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► tried have worked great but but that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► the resentment that you feel in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► about big government telling you what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► do is that there are people that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► were and and what's amazing is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► people that were most affected by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► liberal bigger big government projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► they are still Democrats it's the it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► the people that were kind of on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► outside looking in and going you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► the people that got out to the suburbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► that looked back at the city and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► you know liberalism is bankrupt and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► I when I think about it that way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► haven't I have I still I still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► very hard time being yelled at by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► conservatives but I do sympathize with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► their with with some of the evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► that they're able to to muster that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► this this this mentality which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► we are coming into your homes and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► going to explain to you why you're wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► and then we're going to deprive you of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► your of what you consider to be your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► rights and it's in service of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► greater good and you're gonna like it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► go fuck yourself also god is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► whoo free pot for everybody act like PCP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► I see why they're bent out of shape I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► I you know it I want to get back to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► teen out in a minute if we can't but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► know it reminds me I I think I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► somebody from the north in you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► literal and figurative sense i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► think they really understood a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► the civil war until I met my friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► Richard and read some Faulkner and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► a really different point of view into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► and I started to really and what's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► well yeah because we think that we're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► the north we are top better that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► everybody in the south is like Bo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► Luke Duke well we'll write and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► mean my understanding of it is that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► complicated in the you know beginning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► middle part of the 19th century was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► you know slavery it would be glib to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► call it a MacGuffin but it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► worth mentioning that it'sit's wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► just slavery it was a matter of telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► us how to live like whether you like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► don't like slavery it ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► Jermaine but the deeper issue is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► didn't I guess it seems like the north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► maybe i don't know i'm not historian but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► it seems to me that they the North [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► didn't flicks that except the extent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► which people in Virginia we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► be put off by us telling these as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► say these you know people from Scotland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► who are really used to autonomy and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► and they've got their own mature culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► we animate we may not like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► mature culture and they're doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► what I would personally consider awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► awful things and but at the same time II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► we're going down there in like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► really poking the bowl in the i think by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► not acknowledging what we were facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► from people who thought that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► culture was fine just the way it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► and and we make about slavery because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► should be about slavery I'm sure glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► it's gone but at the same time one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► reason that was such a bloody war is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► that they did not feel it in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► it wouldn't matter it was certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► bigger their economy but they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► people telling them how to make their t [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► you just don't tell people in the South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► what to do and you know and and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► think that's still I think that's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► true today I mean if we don't and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► wanna be clear I'm not saying slavery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► was a great idea but like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► conversations it's a constant production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► of third rails about all the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► are off-limits because we've all decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► that we understand this story and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► just here to say I don't think we always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► understand that story and RR amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► certainty about how right we are how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► wrong everybody else is and how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► they need to be rehabilitated to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► learning point of view is an affliction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► especially on the on the left and right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► coasts that we really feel like we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► to salute sweep in and and set these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► folks straight now by Kennedy goes he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► goes to Kentucky any he literally cries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► because he sees what poverty people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► he didn't he didn't go back and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► post things on facebook he understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► that welfare is an incredibly complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► problem to solve and it's going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► more than just this one angle to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► begin to fix this problem and I I admire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► that you know he didn't just sit around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► and he didn't just take photos support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► people and come back and show it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► something about it and but he also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► yeah he got shot to a really good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► so you be the the thing about the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► thing about the Civil War is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► know III understanding exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► you're getting at but the but the Civil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► yeah just the a12 and the other argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► that it was about anything else is a is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► everything that they say is true but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► is a kind of revisionism too because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► United States was fighting a war about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► slavery for 25 years before the Civil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► War or 450 years before the Civil War [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► ultimately yeah you can look back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► say that was about slavery because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► was a that was a thing that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► pleasantly shot each other about that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► what that's what we shot each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► underlying causes which like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► saying is this clash of cultures between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► the Cavaliers and the and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► yes that's all true and it's all written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► in it but but at and and maybe you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► make an argument that all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► liberal projects of the 20th century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► have been incremental wars that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► prevented what could have been a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► bigger worse war in 1967 it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► plausible to people in 1967 that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► headed to a conflict on the scale of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► civil war in the sense that people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► really like this and watch riots that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► exactly like burning cities fighting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► the streets insurrection that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► such a scary time for everybody really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► scary and and people you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► and what I will it hadn't happened was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► we hadn't had 40 years of talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► it to make it seem to make those ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► seem I mean even even the most the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► biggest conservative zealot is familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► with the concept of a sort of every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► liberal totem but at the at the time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► 1967 I mean here there were there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► great swaths of just normal American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► people that were still wrestling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► objectors like wait a minute what it why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► wouldn't you want to go fight for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► America in a war like they did it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► even they couldn't get their heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► around it so so maybe maybe we have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► fighting these small battles and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► released the pressure that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► would be to be a larger conflict the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► civil war was inevitable and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► wasn't a way they tried they tried for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► the 4 30 years beforehand to legislate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► their way around the problem and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► concessions were made to the South like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► you wouldn't believe we were I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► people in the north and Congress you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► know they went back and forth just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► oh I would you like to have thursday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► afternoons reserved for mint juleps when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► we will make that national law if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► will it if if you will just concede that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► that maybe you know free blacks can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► across Kansas without being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► bullwhipped by children so and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► starting with like saying an egg and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► should watch Lincoln again but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► starting with saying like tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► your daughter has to marry a negro it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► started with something much more simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► like can you just be less of a dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► about this is never get horny lives they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► were I mean they were arguing it in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► in the Constitutional Congress something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► they were arguing that these questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► all the way back and the South was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► well just contemptuous and immobile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► eventually never sending more kicks it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► was good it was going to be a war you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► know the the the British outlawed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► slavery in 1802 or something so so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► so that whole like the southern argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► that the Civil War was really about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► states rights or whatever it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► want to say it's about it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► about it was about that this was a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► that needed to be resolved and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► people were just going to have to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► over it and the reality is looking back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► in at America for the last 50 years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► 1957 I can't imagine standing in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► place and not maybe picturing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► were going to have to have another that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► we're gonna have to have a a war every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► hundred years about this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► somehow we we fought a terrible cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► war but somehow we avoided taking up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► arms and I mean other conspiracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► theories with theorists would say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► it was because the CIA started a crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► epidemic but you know and the FBI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► definitely like worked really hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3654">TS</a>]
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01:01:18 ◼ ► Washington and then California past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3678">TS</a>]
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01:06:21 ◼ ► taught himself to play the guitar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3981">TS</a>]
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01:06:24 ◼ ► learn to play on this guitar and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPs67RM/3984">TS</a>]
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