Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► I John hi Merlin how's it going good [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► surely it's early it's literally my [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► daughter's got a persistent cough yeah [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► it's going around everybody's got it [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► yeah it's it's gotten productive which [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► is hard when you're a kid [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► yeah that's bad yeah it's just taking [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► expectorant as much as I'd like I'm [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► totally fine with driving our daughter [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► up in my wife is kind of rude about it [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► OIC yeah but there's a lot going around [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► that introduces school and there [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► everything's going around the edges are [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► hotbeds of sick little sponges I [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► throughout my sponges all the time [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► they're disgusting scott simpson Bobby [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► someone he considered some kind of magic [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► Japanese sponge prices for everything [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► you want to that one store [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► yeah and I and it was it's great except [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► here's the thing [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► it's a white sponge yeah now if you're [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► going to if you're going to make a [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► sponger color don't make a white now [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► that's a terrible color that first time [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► I used it then it looked like i used it [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► on something that was dirty and then I [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► had like a permanently dirty sponge you [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► gotta live with that I gotta live with [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► that I'll every time I go to the sink i [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► turn the water and look down and here's [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► this sponge that's like spoiled well and [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► you know a lot of its breeding I think [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► like we're not from wealthy families and [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► you know certain kinds of things in the [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► home you use them until they're not [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► usable anymore that's my background [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► yeah but scott simpson you're saying you [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► would they use the sponge once and then [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► they threw it out the window and the [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► gardener took it away [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► mm I think that's where he is now [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► absolutely as you know he's extremely [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► rich from a context is rich and but I [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► think he's from a very modest background [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► to with one exception of ever told you [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► this you know his mom had a band and [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► yeah GD had uniforms like it may be [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► marching band i don't think so i think [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► was a rock band [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► they did you really yeah they played out [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► you know that kind of playing out where [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► you play at your friends events and I'm [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► guessing they probably would just assume [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► you just brought ice [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► I don't know children yeah yeah and so [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► so he was in a amazing situation that I [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► would have killed for which is he could [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► just walk downstairs with his pals and [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► there's a hole in the basement there's [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► like a whole setup we could just walk [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► down there and like play instruments [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► will now hear this [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► this just brings me to an interesting [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► internal dilemma that I have which is [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► that I went to a pop music conference [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► last weekend when I was the keynote [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► speaker [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► haha it took place in Bellingham [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► Washington [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► yeah like where this is going and fat [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► and so I I prepared this speech [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► blah blah blah speech but I got to the [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► top conference early in contravention of [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► my normal method i'm showing up to an [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► event one second before i take the stage [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► it's better for security reasons if [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► nothing else I when I went instead and i [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► attended out maxing out in the green [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► room for five hours [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► well no he did not now he walked in and [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► that was the beginning of a satisfactory [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► could see the door so I go to this thing [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► and I go to all these panels and it's [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► happening in bellingham washington ice [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► is sure to you sure you rather I do not [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► assure to you to her [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► mm-hmm I every one of these panels is [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► blowing my mind and it's blowing my mind [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► primarily because they're talking about [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► pop music and pop news business but [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► there is an element of like the the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► expectation of the panelists was that [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► they would address some issues they [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► would address the issue of social [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► justice they would address the issue of [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► community building and inclusiveness as [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► they were answering questions about how [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► do i get my band signed and how do I you [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► know like how do i promote my record [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► above via social media but how do I [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► about also how do I further the cause of [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► social justice and increased diversity [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► into Poppins or in in like the music [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► scene in general [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► and and there was and there was a [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► predictable amount of like sort of like [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► mild college like bubbling hostility in [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► that goes along with both the asker's [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► and the answers of questions like that [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► and the whole you know the whole day the [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► premise was like um yeah hi um I'm just [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► wondering why are there not more Inupiaq [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► rock bands as anybody really thought [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► about that and like maybe we should all [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► look at our our playlists and see like [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► that like we don't have any Inupiat [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► bands and is that a problem [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► I don't know i'm not sure my question is [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► M and the end up for the person that's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► on the panel is like like someone who [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► works in the music business and they're [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► like uh ah I don't you know like like [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► like absolutely flabbergasted at what [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► how to try to answer that question [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► well cast question maybe the were you [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► aware and where the other panelists [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► aware that social justice would be a [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► focus of the bellingham pop conference [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► or howhow prepared were you in your [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► remarks for example [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► yeah well my remarks had no elements no [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► social social justice consideration in [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► them since Ron hey Ron I was up there I [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► was getting ready to give a keynote [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► speech at this bar conference that was [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► basically a hate crime and so on the fly [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► I through my notes in the garbage can [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► and I should recycle that's i did in [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► fact i did in fact recycling and you [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► and truth be told i was using Merlin [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► Mann three-by-five cards which I never [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► used to do but i do it now and an homage [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► to you thank you so so by the time I got [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► to my by the time we arrived at my [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► keynote speech i had been to 10 panels [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► and every one of them have this kind of [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► like we need to search our souls to see [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► how we can make it easier for everybody [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► in the world [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► to become a rock star and and by that we [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► don't mean like how to make it easier in [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the world for everybody to be a rock [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► star and then also by the way how do i [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► get my band on the radio and so i got up [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► at things I mean just to be honest I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► mean being a rock star seems pretty [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► phallocentric and patriarchal well don't [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you think I mean shouldn't we shouldn't [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► we all be equal i can like I i could not [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► speak to that and and and part of it was [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► just that like being a rock star really [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► i mean that's really that's really still [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► thing that we do what I wanted in your [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► guitar at the spot but I wanted to I [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► wanted to address it because they were [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► there were actually some very thoughtful [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► panelists and and and in general you [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► know I I feel like that I feel like that [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► dialogue of like um hi [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► yeah I I just feel like people with [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► allergies should be allowed to play [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► coachella but there's a lot of dust in [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► the air so how do how do we make [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► coachella accessible to people with [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► allergies like I feel like that kind of [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► question is is almost reflexive in like [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► students now where they're not invested [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► in in the question they are sitting in [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► there sitting in a lecture hall and [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► they're thinking how can i like how do i [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► phrase a question that is going to be a [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► that's going to be kind of a mic drop [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► like nobody thought of that [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► like I i found it i found a a [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► under-represented group of people that [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► nobody thought of and now you're all [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► wishing that you had thought of our [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► music is chella it's kinda it becomes a [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► way of speaking truth to power [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► yeah exactly not that much power there [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► and probably a fairly scant amount of [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► truth [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► yeah that and there isn't and and and [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► and it has become a scenario where [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► people are not actually seeking equality [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► anymore for anybody [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► it is just a it's just a a game of like [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► I have I have exposed [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► the inequality and so gold star for me i [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► asked a question and now I can go back [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► to to facebooking and the professor the [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► professor in every case is forced by by [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► the by the energy or by the by the [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► convention that he has to he or she has [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► to consider that question legitimately [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► you know what I mean like the professor [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► the professor is not in a position to [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► say you know what that's a that's an [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► irrelevant question or or or rather [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► rather the answer which is is ultimately [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► true which is it is impossible to make [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► the world completely accessible to [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► everyone it is simply impossible and so [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► every question phrased within the you [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► know within the umbrella of our end game [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► is to make everything absolutely even [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► and fair is it is the same question [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► basically and it doesn't matter whether [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► you are saying in New Piet's or people [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► with allergies or people with social [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► anxiety disorder it is the same question [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► over and over which is how do we make [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► the world completely fair and we cannot [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► so what we can do is inspire in certain [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► places but it isn't but the game is not [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► to just keep keep finding a smaller and [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► smaller aperture you know [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► yeah anyway so i get up at the pop [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► conference and I say the the reality [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► about making art is that the best art is [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► made in reaction to restriction or [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► limitation that the the the culture in [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► prague in the seventies and sixties [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► produced a whole generation of [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► playwrights and artists that were [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► working in reaction to the regime and as [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► soon as the regime fell all of that art [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► come in name up check play right now you [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► can't really because who knows one and I [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► think he passed [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► well there was that one that became the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► president of the country you know that [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► is that is the role that are played at [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► that came up in a repressive regime now [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► there are probably 1,000,000 check [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► playwrights and none of them stand out [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► and the reality is we have made making [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► pop music incredibly easy there is no [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► difficulty at all [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► anyone of any age or gender can do as [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► much pop music as they want but it has [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► not improved the quality of pop music if [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► you know what I mean like there are a [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► million bands now and none of them are [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► good because having a barrier to entry [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► having it be difficult is what makes [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► people make good art they make good art [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► almost exactly because they are [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► experiencing the challenge of being [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► forced to make art as their primary [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► voice you know it was me it's like [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► making a diamond like you don't make a [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► diamond by by spreading out the soil and [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► bring it iced tea [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► you know and and you know there has to [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► be a certain for that passion to come [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► out there has to be [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► yeah maybe it's a reaction maybe there's [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► influences but they're happy some some [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► kind of a crucible I think in most cases [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► but like in that the whole thing is so [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► misdirected I don't even know where to [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► begin [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► like if so you're going to create social [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► justice by coming in and talking about [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► pop music in a room I I can't even I [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► can't even begin to address that but but [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► the other thing is like it [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► are they are they people in bellingham I [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► mean so i'm guessing it was an extremely [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► diverse audience of people who had the [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► time to come in and go to a pop music [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► conference about social justice better [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► zinc extraordinarily diverse there was [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► no there was the white kid that was [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► making it pop em there was the highways [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► that was making aI don't know there was [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► a there's a half asian guy but he was on [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► a panel [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► anyway the the the the point of all that [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► was I have been I've been wrestling [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► since the time my daughter was born with [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► the fact that I have a house full of [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► instruments [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► and when i was growing up i bought my [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► first guitar a while i bought my first [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► guitar from my sisters friend who bought [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► it at a swap meet [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► she my sister had a friend who is she [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► she and her friend we're going to start [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► an all-girl duran duran cover band and [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► my sister bought a keyboard and her [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► friend Tracy butter guitar and they set [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► up in the basement and they put their [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► fedoras on and their scarves and their [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► pirate shirts and they put on Rio and [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► plugged in their keyboard in their [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► guitar and and went back like like like [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► like like like and they realize that [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► they couldn't play these instruments and [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► and didn't have a real interest in [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► learning an instrument they just wanted [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► to be in a drain cover band right it's [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► so they say stacked the instruments in [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► the corner where they SAT gathering dust [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► and I walked past him everyday and [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► looked at them and a about a month later [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► I i said to the two girls i was like hey [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► I'm guys gonna do anything with those [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► and Tracy sold me her guitar for 25 [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► bucks and my sister course out of spite [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► said don't touch my keyboard and it sat [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► in the corner she went off the ski sat [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► in the corner [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► she never touched it I never touched it [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► it had an inch of dust on it eventually [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► and then at one point she owed me some [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► money and I was like I'll take that [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► keyboard and she was happy to have it go [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► so i ended up with all the duran duran [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► cover band instruments [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► I don't want to really from the daughter [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► thing because I'd love to talk about [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► that but there's this other part of this [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► that obsesses me in the things that I [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► think about which is on the one hand [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► sort of trying to solve the wrong [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► problem and how that's not how the best [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► thing that you can do for somebody it if [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► you had experienced similar experience [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► is to help them understand that as Noble [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► or as theoretically interesting as your [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► goals are if you're trying to solve the [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► wrong problem you're going to Burma [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► screwed because and then you can just [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► dig in further and get deeper and deeper [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► and matter and matter and demonstrate [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► more and more [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► but you know I think our entire culture [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► is trying to solve their own problems [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► but will they sure are there's like [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► three problems with this and then the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► second one is that you know carpenters [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► who make a lot of furniture don't go to [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► conferences and ask about social justice [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► and carpentry they go out and they build [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► lots of stuff and then they try to be [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► decent human beings and they understand [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► that those are are pretty different [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► things if you don't get your hands [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► around it [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► you're never gonna solve the right [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► problem that was persuaded there was one [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► one panelist who said something very [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► interesting because i am we we [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► constantly hear about institutionalized [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► inequality and I'm for people that are [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► our age we've been hearing about it our [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► whole our whole adult lives I mean this [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► was a this was a concept that was [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► introduced to us first but during the [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► civil rights movement where where we we [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► had to be educated to the fact that just [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► because now blacks had the right to vote [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► did not necessarily mean that they had [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► equal opportunity in the in the country [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and it was a it was a process of [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► Education of people who had never [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► experienced deprivation that they had to [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► learn like oh I see what you mean if you [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► grow up in a place where there is you [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► know where it where racism is [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► institutionalized even if on the surface [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► of things everybody has the same rights [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► you really are having a very different [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► experience of living in America and it [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► is a tremendous it does present a [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► tremendous disadvantage right so that [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► was a process of Education that happened [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► in America over the course of our our [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► whole lives it's been happening and as [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► time has gone on that franchise of [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► disenfranchisement has been extended so [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► then it was then immediately how you can [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► take the build vocabulary and [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► sensibilities of of really deeply [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► systematically oppressed peoples and [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► then apply to people with bikes right [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► but but when when the when the you know [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► the women's rights move [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► happened it was a say it was a similar [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► process of like oh wait a minute you [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► mean even even well-to-do women who [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► lived a comfortable lives in the city [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► are also write disenfranchised wow [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► that's a new that's a new mental [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► technology and everybody never would [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► have thought of that right yeah and it [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► took years to sink in and again that [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► happen throughout the course of our [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► lives and and so then yeah then the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► franchise kept getting extended until [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► now it's like people with people with [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► allergies people with a myopia people [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► with social anxiety disorder people with [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► whatever and they are they are it you [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► know making themselves equivalent to two [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► people who have to actually struggle [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► between hates that is people who [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► actually struggled in well and also me i [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► hate it too but but there's an [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► expectancy I think there's a tendency [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► among among everybody and in particular [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► a dare I say it among those of us who [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► who are constantly reminded that we [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► benefit from the structure which is to [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► say white men we benefit from the from [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► the inequality and we benefit from [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► unconsciously and they're there is a [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► tendency on our part to say oh my god [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► we've been hearing about this our whole [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► lives [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► can we can we stop fighting the same [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► battle but I had had a very interesting [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► it right i heard of an interesting thing [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► on one of the panels which was a [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► thoughtful woman who said you know when [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► I was in fourth grade and i joined band [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► i wanted to play the trumpet and i was [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► guided by the hand over to the clarinets [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► and flutes in and as she said it I was [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► like well of course of course you were [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► the clarinet and flute is the girls [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► instrument of the trumpet is a boy's [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► instrument and it it was a it was the [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► most resonant [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► a example of of of this kind of like [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► ingrained institutionalized gender role [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► based inequality that i had heard in [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► you know because I because you're so [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► used to being politicized about it and [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► people's talking about like a like a [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► friend of mine came home and said you [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► know quoted the oft-quoted statistic [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► like women are paid 72 cents on the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► dollar and I said is that true at your [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► at your office or do you feel like you [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► are paid 72 cents to the dollar that [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► your comparably educated and talented [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► co-workers paid and she said what no of [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► course not right and I said does anyone [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► you know work in an environment where [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► that is the case and she said no and I [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► said so what [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► what is I mean I understand the [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► statistic but but when you say it when [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► you say it when you come home and say [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► like women are paid 72 cents on the [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► dollar it is a you say it with with a [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► considerable amount of peak you are [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► angry about it but it isn't something [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► that you or anybody you know is [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► personally experiencing so who are those [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► people who are being paid 72 cents on [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► the dollar if you guys if you if you are [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► making the equivalent of your male [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► counterparts that means in order for [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► that statistic to be true [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► there must be women somewhere in America [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► who are being paid thirty cents on the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► dollar right and I wonder if they're [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► really if if there if there are two [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► people working the same job and one of [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► them is because of her gender really [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► being paid that much or if it's a [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► statistic that has been massaged and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► repeated so many times that we take it [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► as we take it as given without examining [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► it i don't know where suffice [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► say that I walked away from this [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► experience both like kind of newly [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► serious about this trumpet the trumpet [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► flute trumpet discrimination the trumpet [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► discrimination and also like and also my [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► feeling was reinforced that that that no [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► one is can no one is really talking [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► about like what's the what is the [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► long-term plan for this movement that [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► has become an institution now it is a [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► revolutionary movement to extend equal [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► rights to all that is that is a Marxist [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► argument ultimately to each according to [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► his need from each according to his [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► ability and we are we are very happy to [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► fight little tiny battles about it all [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► day every day my twitter feed is full of [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► people saying well there's another [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► example of a war on women and and then i [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► click through the link and it's like [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► something that just is it is just an [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► interesting news article not [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► particularly an example of a war on [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► women [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► I mean a you know it is just two parts [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► is that the drive me a little bananas i [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► mean the the metal part is I really I [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► really resent being saddled with the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► idea that like because i think it's [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► silly to live inside of these [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► abstractions I don't think that these [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► are important things I think they're [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► important if you want to fucking raise [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► want you to ask for one in because that [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► yeah we can point to a million [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► statistics about other people became [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► point is statistics about ourselves but [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► you know at the one on the one hand I [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► understand why you would want to adopt [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► that attitude because it can be very [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► powerful and can help help bring people [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► together but the second part is it [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► always is so frequently seems to be [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► about like legislating a change of heart [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► and people that aren't you using all [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► about like what [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► let's sit around in this room and set an [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► agenda for how we can make other people [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► better you know and and like images [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► ladies change of heart in someone who's [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► not you [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► yeah that's that is perfect that is a [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► perfect description of it [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► well if you if you want social justice [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► want to get off your ass like once you [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► stop treating it as a problem that needs [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► to be solved by a panel of people in pop [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► music and why don't you go out and do [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► something and if you want the Rays ask [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► for you can see if you want to still [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► like hang your head and and talk about [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► how like you know oppressed you are [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► that's certainly something you're you're [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► free to do but you know we've come a [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► long way from the 1960s it if you go and [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► you if you feel like you're getting 72 [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► cents on the dollar ask for a fucking [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► raise that's your that's who you are if [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you want to be going power yourself go [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► get out there and do it and if you can [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► find a way to bring social justice and [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► pop music [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► why don't you leave the fucking [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► conference and go out there and do it [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► get your hands around the problem learn [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► which parts of it you can do something [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► about and quit worrying about how to [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► change the rest of the world because it [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► doesn't work [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► yeah the at I think that is the kind i [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► think that is ultimately the thing that [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► that is the string that resonates most [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► deeply it's good enough women do that [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► then it's not going to be a problem [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► well ultimately all these questions are [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► our questions that are resolved when you [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► raise your kids right and when you raise [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► your kids to think differently and [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► behave differently in the world and it [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► really is a it really is a thing where [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► you you change your own heart you [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► evangelize yourself you are the primary [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► mission field and then your family and [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► really the I had a very interesting [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► exchange of a few years ago on twitter [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► where I when I asked somebody I I kind [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► of asked the the group this exact [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► question like can you through [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► application of law [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► really really changed the hearts and [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► minds of the people or who are you [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► you know i mean i think in America we [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► see a lot of the division that we have [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► now like the clear division between the [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► two halves of our nation a lot of it is [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► the product of trying to use [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► prescriptive law to change the hearts [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► and minds of half the population what [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► what what a legacy of efficacy we have [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► for that [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► yeah so we keep saying I mean the [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► abortion rights issue is a thing that we [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► have been we've been fighting this [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► battle of the bloody cultural battle [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► that takes up all of our you know it [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► takes up the whole center of our [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► national dialogue and the the reality is [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► that the that Roe versus Wade was a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► badly decided piece of law and that's [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► why it's constantly under assault [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► because they think they can beat it [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► they think it's bad law and they think [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► they have a shot at the the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► anti-abortion people yeah the Act the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► anti-abortion people think they can beat [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► it because it's it is bad law and it's [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► just a matter of time before the right [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► combination of supreme court justices [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► decide to look at it you know it in the [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► narrow confines of the of the legal [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► decision and overturn it not be not on a [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► moral basis but overturn it because it's [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► you know because it was kind of a shitty [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► piece of legal thinking but you know the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► reality i think is that it bro vs wade [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► was overturned there would be there [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► would be an immediate and mad rush to [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► write new law in its place that was [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► I mean the of the best thing that could [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► happen to the abortion rights movement [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► is that Roe versus Wade be overturned [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► because the next piece of law would be [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► ironclad [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► I mean I feel like the I feel like the [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► Ark of social justice is long are they [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► are the arc of history is long but it [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► points toward social justice [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► I think that's absolutely true i think [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► that that it is inevitable that we are [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► becoming more liberal and more inclusive [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► and more accessible to everyone right [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► but but we keep trying to we keep trying [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► to use the the lever of law to bring all [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► these people that are that are Gina that [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► really all we can do is kind of wait for [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► them to die and wait for their kid wait [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► for their kids to approve gay marriage [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► you know that we could have made gay [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► marriage legal by the force of law 25 [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► years ago and it would have it would [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► have sparked a armed insurrection in the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► South but we suffered those 20 years and [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► now it's happening and it's happening [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► not because we check now because the law [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► forced people and not because which [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► really change anybody's minds but just [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► because the young people came up and [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► they liked MTV and they watched Sheena [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► queen of the desert and they're like [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► yeah that seems reasonable and they're [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► just attitudes changed and this is that [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► you know I remember being great [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► persuaded by by malcolm x and x a martin [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► luther king when they said you know all [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► wherever told by YT is that we need to [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► wait it's not time yet we need to wait [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► and we're done waiting we're tired of [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► waiting [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► that and the time is now and I and and [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► that was very persuasive and it produced [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► it produced real action real motion that [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► had you know where culturally we were [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► stalled in this weird separate-but-equal [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► miasma [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► but there but that mentality like when [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► you say well you know after after fifty [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► thousand years like maybe get maybe give [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► it another ten when you when you say [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► that now what we're talking about sort [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► of any kind of kind of sea change in the [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► culture you say that to a group of [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► people and they're they're so quick to [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► say like that's what every white man [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► says wait don't think about going back [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► to asking for a raise just as a [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► practical example you know if you if you [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► it's obviously it's more related to your [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► own merits but if you've ever had a job [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► you know that there's some really good [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► time to ask for a raise and some [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► terrible times to ask for the Rays and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► if you really do want to raise I really [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► isn't completely related but if you want [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► to get a raise and it means a lot to you [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► you have to prepare for that you have to [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► have you have to know all of the facts [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► and understand them in context with [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► reality and the truth is there are [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► better and worse time to ask for a raise [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► but if you are prepared when that time [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► does come you're gonna have a much [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► better chance whether or not like have [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► no matter how much you want it doesn't [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► matter what matters is whether you're [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► prepared and and then in context can ask [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► it at the right time where somebody will [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► of course i'll give you a raise not [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► stupid but you know but the fact just [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► doesn't kind of kind of doesn't it can [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► matter how much you want it and [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► certainly there have been things that [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► changed but but i'm with you and you [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► know there's two times that I I feel a [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► little bit p kid from you again things [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► like Twitter but also just the whole [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► world like obviously doing sports events [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► but the other thing is during elections [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► because every election or anytime [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► there's some kind of political tumbled [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► going on everybody's pick their side [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► ec least in my Twitter feed or amongst [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► my friends I see everybody locking arms [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► to make fun of the other side to [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► browbeat them to call them stupid and to [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► talk about all the ways that they're [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► wrong wrong wrong and wrong wrong and [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► this is this is maybe really reductive [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► but this is how I look at it I will ask [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► you exactly one question when is the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► last time that somebody calling you [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► stupid and saying how little you knew [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► change your mind because people can sit [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► around all day long and [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► funny Fox TV and shoot fish in a [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► conservative barrel but honestly if [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► you're so goddamn smart when is the last [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► time that you sat and watched fox news [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► and heard about how stupid you are and [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► you want you know what I am kind of [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► stupid [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► I don't think people do that i don't [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► think it's effective and all it does i [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► mean on a larger scale obviously it just [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► makes us more you know we start to see [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► the other side is inhuman and as soon as [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► you see that quote unquote other side to [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► begin with let you know what we're all [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► kind of in the same pot and the more we [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► try and find some kind of a common [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► ground and certainly the politicians do [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the better off there but I'm trying to [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► say is like you know in addition to this [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► being an incredibly complex problem with [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► a million different angles [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► I don't think you change hearts and [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► minds through either legislation or by [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► making fun of people [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► yeah you know and you consider [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► reconsidering around a room all day long [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► and and come up with some kind of bill [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► of rights for people who play mandolins [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► but i'm not sure that's going to make [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► black people any better off when it [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► comes time to go to bonnaroo em whoa [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► there's a lot of impact in that last [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► sound angry there's a thing on there is [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► nothing on out that you know local or [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► the California Public Radio think today [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► that was really got me thinking I think [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it's related and it has to do with the [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► aging population the last the oldest of [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► the oldest of baby boomers turned she is [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► the youngest baby boomers turn like 65 [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► this year the point being that there are [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► fewer and fewer there are more people [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► who are going to need benefits or what [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► benefits that they have coming to them [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► and fewer and fewer people that are [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► going to be able to supply it right and [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► you know what compounds that hugely is [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► that due to things like the bat like bad [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► economies and things like legislation we [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► don't have enough immigrants coming here [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► anymore and we don't have enough illegal [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► immigrants coming here anymore and so [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► all the sudden everything that we did to [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► keep immigrants from coming here through [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► legislation and so forth is now harming [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► california in addition to have a lot [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► less people that does to sit there in [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► the Sun and pick lettuce that no white [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► person was to pick now we also have this [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► bigger problem of we're not gonna be [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► able to pay for all of these things so I [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► mean to me there's unintended [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► consequences to all these sorts of [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► things but it really comes down to [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► getting off your ass [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► get off twitter and could do something [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► about it if it matters to you want to do [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► something about it you know Martin [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► Luther King did not sit around typing a [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► hundred forty characters and try to [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► change the world [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► it's just that you know you're not [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► invested in that you're invested until [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► the next to change a color your icon an [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► angry now and we're going to get us on [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► the next thing comes along I'm less [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► worried about people you know the [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► chattering classes on Twitter and and [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► and but they think they're helping John [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► well I know but I don't contributing to [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the body politic but I don't care about [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► them but now the real that the the real [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► difference that is that if that's [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► happening among people who really are [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► off their asses and doing things [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► um is that you know the that that that [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► the fundamental liberal project has been [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► since the since the fifties but but [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► really since the sixties to imagine that [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► we are creating a utopia in America and [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► there are a lot of people who who don't [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► want it or don't get it and we're going [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► to help them along by forcing them to [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► open their mind that will try education [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► you know what will try to educate them [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► if it doesn't work we can we get a big [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► hammer here [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► yeah and and through through a lot of [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► like Great Society style like sort of [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► big projects like busing and housing [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► projects and you know of a legislative [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► approach and a social engineering [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► approach liberalism said about to create [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► a utopia by dragging people along [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► kicking and screaming and not not not [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► everybody of course but but dragging the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► recalcitrant people along who straps and [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► you know there was a moment sometime in [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► the seventies and I and I sense this you [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► know i said at this moment where [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► crackpot conservatism became mainstream [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► was there was this there was just this [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► this overflow point right around the [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► time that that governments were saying [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► well you know you can no longer have an [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► all-male a smoking club like you and [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► your buddies started this club you sit [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► around smoking cigars but it is [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► discriminatory that your that you have a [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► requirement that it be all dude so you [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► have to open the doors and well at the [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► at the moment where we reach down into [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► the culture and started saying in [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► general you can no longer you can no [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► longer be just some dudes in a in a club [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► you have it's against the law now that [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► was the that was the personal moment I [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► think we're conservatism at became the [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► ascendant movement because there are [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► just a lot of people in the world who [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► instinctively do not want to be told who [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► they can hang out with and it isn't a [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► that their response wasn't yet coming [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► from a place of of racism or sexism it [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► was coming from a deeply personal place [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► where some suddenly somebody with a [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► clipboard somebody like that EPA agent [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► in Ghost Busters guy an officious you [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► know government employee with a [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► clipboard was saying thank man shut it [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► down and and people just like the people [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► tell the farmers they can't build [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► skyscrapers right ma no remember thing [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► about land rights and the Holy right [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► exactly exactly that's always somebody [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► and the thing about the thing about the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► land rights question is it is persuasive [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► to me because we are all we are all [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► using the same water and the same suit [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► and likewise the the the the men's club [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► argument is persuasive in the sense that [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► we are all using the same water in the [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► same sewage but this was the moment [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► where where people who already felt like [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► the this liberal project was pushing [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► them against their will [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► you know what their heels dug in pushing [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► them toward a world that they couldn't [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► see and didn't understand and then it [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► became a precipitate got personally it [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► came down to their streets exactly where [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► it was like wait a minute now I can't [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► even now I can't even higher my [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► brother-in-law because it's one thing [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► for California to come up with a bunch [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► of free stuff for mon or whatever but [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► now you're you really are literally in [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► my backyard [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► you're down you're down here like [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► telling me how to do my business right [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► and from you know from up high [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► liberalism said well this is how it has [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► to happen we have to go around like that [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► scene in Doctor Zhivago where we were [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► all of a sudden post-revolution dr. [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► Zhivago and his family who used to live [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► in a 30 room mansion are now there's a [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► knock on the door and there's a woman [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► with a clipboard and she is moving other [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► dis you know she's moving families into [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► their home and increasingly the [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► Chicago's are now they're just living on [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► one floor their home and pretty soon the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► whole family is living in one room [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► curtains off with sheets sounds a lot [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► like Warsaw now right yeah well that's [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► exactly right and and and the premise is [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► like how could you jog owes have been [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► living in such luxury while people were [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► poor on the street you know people were [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► dying in the cold and now everybody's [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► living together in a rat's Warren if [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► you're holding the collective of [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► equality in your old family mansion and [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► congratulations now you know we have [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► arrived at a at at ya Marxist equality [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► which is squalor for koala for all but [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► but that you know feeling trying to feel [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► sympathy [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► it's very hard now to hear somebody [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► you from Arkansas or somebody even from [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► Seattle who is who has a large dodge [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► truck that maybe maybe has some truck [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► nuts hanging from the back bumper but [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► those are illegal in California new [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► clothes they are listening to them you [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► know bitch and moan with it with a ton [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► of vitriol about how obama is coming to [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► force them to to accept medical [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► insurance [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► it's very hard for the liberal [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► sensibilities to not feel like what is [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► the matter with you cry babies my god [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► like man up but the fact is that they're [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► expressing their expressing a discontent [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► that's 40 years old that is really a [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► discontent with the with the with the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► premise of the whole liberal project [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► which is that we are headed toward a [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► utopia and you are coming whether you [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► like it or not and you something that's [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► kind of authentic about that whether I [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► agree with it or not there's this basic [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► thing that I i said this before but i [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► really believe there aren't that many [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► people who think they're stupid [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► I think most people think other people [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► are stupid very few people say you know [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► what I'm really stupid and need people [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► to massage my understanding of the world [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► in such a way that I can be a good [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► citizen but the key thing about being [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► ignorant is that you are first primarily [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► ignorant of how stupid you are that's [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► the difference between to me the dancing [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► stupidity and ignorance ignorance can be [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► cured if if you you know can learn that [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► but you you're onto something i think [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► which is that people i think this is my [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► might be shooting fish in a liberal [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► barrel here maybe going to the whole [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► foods barrel but you know it's funny to [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► me than all of the barrel [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► oh it's hard to say no it's amazing to [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► me like how many people you know you [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► live in pac heights you live in berkeley [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► and you're you're very very comfortable [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► in your surroundings by and large and [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► you're more than happy to institute [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► busting your more than happy to [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► institute you know I'll whatever public [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► housing what you know what we have your [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► house for public housing tweet us your [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► kid across town is that cool with you [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► are you really are you really super into [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that something some people are i have [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► really good friends here and [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► out that moved here and it's frustrating [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► moved here specifically to be part of [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► the great San Francisco experiment right [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► they use public transit they have a they [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► have their kid go to the school that [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► like it's a sign to them and that's it's [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► difficult sometimes but their values [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► around that are to me much more [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► authentic than people who are going in [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► and you know astroturfing polls on CNN [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► and make sure the right side wins [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► because i don't think i've set again I [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► don't think you care about something [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► until you've sacrificed for it and if [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► you care that much about all that stuff [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► like why don't you put your money where [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► your mouth is you put your life where [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► your mouth is because it's if you agree [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► if you just stipulate for one week that [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► you're stupid and you need other people [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► to tell you what to do your eyes open to [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► how the world operates and you see that [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► there's much more to this persuasion of [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► utopian or otherwise of trying to get [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► somewhere better than telling people [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► that they're stupid and need to be [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► hammered into complicity or into you [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► know submission [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► I just wish that you know liberalism is [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► very self-reflective in some ways narrow [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► corridors but there is not a historic [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► self-reflection that applies to what [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► we've been doing since world war two and [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► if if we were able as a culture to look [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► back and say um we tore down all of the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► tenement buildings on the lower east [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► side and we built massive brick housing [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► projects and we did it because we were [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► we were so we're solving all these [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► problems hygiene problems we were we [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► were solving the the incredible mess the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► unruly mess of downtown New York that [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► was full of immigrants and we could and [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► nobody you know everybody was just [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► waiting through sewage and and there [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► were there was a watch shop next to a [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► hat shop [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► how can this stand we're going to we're [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► going to bulldoze it we're gonna pull [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► those block after block and we're going [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► to build these neat and tidy housing [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► projects [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► this giant government undertaking and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► we're going to provide a clean and [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► secure neighborhood environment for [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► people and it's going to uplift the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► people that we can social engineer that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► by design [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► yeah and the to look at that [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► now you see like oh my god what a [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► misguided approach like the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► cabrini-green projects in Chicago became [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► the most dangerous place in the universe [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► a place where the police [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► well I was driving to Chicago one time [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► in the in the mid-eighties and I was [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► advised by a policeman not to stop at [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► red lights and I said message received [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► like he's that don't you just don't [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► through this part of the city i would [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► not i would not wait for the light to [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► change you know we had this neat idea [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► that we would find a way to take all of [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the desperate people with nothing to [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► lose and then stack them up like [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► cordwood well and in a place where we we [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► did not have we have the mandate to tear [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► down the old neighborhood and build this [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► but we did not have the mandate to fund [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► it right we did not have the mandated to [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► to follow through on that which is you [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► that you don't just you don't just tear [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► down people's neighborhoods and put them [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► in high-rises and then automatically [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► they have become a philosopher scholars [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► like you then also have to have the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► money to make those schools in that [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► neighborhood the best schools there are [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and have job training programs and the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and it does not work if if you you are [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► also experiencing a nationwide decline [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► in manufacturing and even though you [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► can't you can't do that and then also [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► closed all the factories and but but but [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► we are it is very hard for us to look [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► back at that and say that was a liberal [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► project with the with the end goal of [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► creating a utopia and what it created [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► was a blight and it created it created [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► in a lot of ways it precipitated the [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► death of the inner-city that took [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► foresters don't was still trying to [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► recover from we're still trying to [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► recover from [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► that's right [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► and you know the story of Detroit is [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that when they were building the [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► interstate highway system they slammed [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► the interstate right through the heart [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► of Detroit's most vibrant black [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► neighborhood and they just they just cut [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► it in half and and killed it in in one [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► fell swoop and it it produced so much [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► anger in the city of Detroit in the in [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► what was at the time you know a very [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► vibrant and alive black community of [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► music and art that you know Detroit went [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► through 12 40 years where it was [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► recreational to go burn down abandoned [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► houses like that was something that [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► people did on weekends like let's go [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► burn some houses because they had lost [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► badly they could completely lost their [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► feeling that the city belong to them and [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► talk about everybody in Detroit you know [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► because of this [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► what was what was eventually what was [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► ultimately i'm not saying the [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► interstates worse it were just a liberal [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► project they were Eisenhower II and they [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► also support industry it would make make [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► it easier for people in the suburbs to [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► get to their job was it was a big it was [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► a big social engineering concept like [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► here's what we're going to do that [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► instead of being stuck in traffic all [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► day when doing your way into this little [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► neighborhood where the hat shop is next [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► to the watch shop [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► we're gonna just tear it all down we're [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► going to build a big spaceport out of [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► brick everybody's guys need some [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► modernity they really do we need to [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► bring some Brutalism in here and [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► independent is going to improve every [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► the quality of everybody's life and [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► fifty years from now everybody is going [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► to be dancing like in those buck rogers [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► television shows in the early eighties [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► where people are holding onto that their [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► whole holding on to my place your calls [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► or something holding onto ribbons and [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► pleasure balls and they're dancing [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► around to brian eno music and that's [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► going to be the future if we just get [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► rid of all this all up of if we just get [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► rid of the center of the city where [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► people who are living as people [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► naturally do which is frankly like but [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► pigs [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► but that's who we are you know so I wish [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► that I wish that liberalism had the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► capacity as a as a as a as a [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► forward-thinking like ideology to do a [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► little bit of backward-looking and say [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► we have we have tried to engineer a [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► utopia multiple times where education [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► and government action enlightened the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► people and expand once it was patiently [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► explained to them that equal rights for [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► all was was beneficial and economically [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► like advantageous everybody got it and [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► then we were living in a we were living [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► in a future world where all the children [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► are Mochaccino colored and we sit around [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► on the steps of our pantheon and reed st [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► louis plays to one another and that is [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► the America that we hoped for and [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► inspire to but everybody and and frankly [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► a lot of things a lot of things we've [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► tried have worked great but but that the [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► the resentment that you feel in America [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► about big government telling you what to [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► do is that there are people that really [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► were and and what's amazing is that the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► people that were most affected by the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► liberal bigger big government projects [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► they are still Democrats it's the it's [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► the people that were kind of on the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► outside looking in and going you know [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► the people that got out to the suburbs [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► that looked back at the city and said [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► you know liberalism is bankrupt and when [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► I when I think about it that way I [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► haven't I have I still I still have a [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► very hard time being yelled at by [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► conservatives but I do sympathize with [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► their with with some of the evidence [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► that they're able to to muster that like [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► this this this mentality which is [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► we are coming into your homes and we're [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► going to explain to you why you're wrong [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► and then we're going to deprive you of [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► your of what you consider to be your [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► rights and it's in service of the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► greater good and you're gonna like it or [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► not doesn't matter [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► go fuck yourself also god is dead [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► whoo free pot for everybody act like PCP [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► I see why they're bent out of shape I [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► totally do [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► I you know it I want to get back to your [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► teen out in a minute if we can't but you [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► know it reminds me I I think I guess [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► somebody from the north in you know the [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► literal and figurative sense i don't [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► think they really understood a lot about [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► the civil war until I met my friend [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► Richard and read some Faulkner and I got [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► a really different point of view into it [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► and I started to really and what's that [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► well yeah because we think that we're in [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► the north we are top better that [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► everybody in the south is like Bo and [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► Luke Duke well we'll write and and I [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► mean my understanding of it is that part [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► of part of what made things so [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► complicated in the you know beginning to [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► middle part of the 19th century was that [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► you know slavery it would be glib to [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► call it a MacGuffin but it's certainly [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► worth mentioning that it'sit's wasn't [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► just slavery it was a matter of telling [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► us how to live like whether you like or [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► don't like slavery it ends up being [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► Jermaine but the deeper issue is we [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► didn't I guess it seems like the north [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► maybe i don't know i'm not historian but [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► it seems to me that they the North [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► didn't flicks that except the extent to [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► which people in Virginia we're going to [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► be put off by us telling these as you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► say these you know people from Scotland [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► who are really used to autonomy and and [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► and they've got their own mature culture [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► we animate we may not like they're [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► mature culture and they're doing what [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► what I would personally consider awful [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► awful things and but at the same time II [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► we're going down there in like we're [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► really poking the bowl in the i think by [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► not acknowledging what we were facing [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► from people who thought that their [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► culture was fine just the way it is [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► thank you very much [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► and and we make about slavery because it [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► should be about slavery I'm sure glad [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► it's gone but at the same time one [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► reason that was such a bloody war is [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► that they did not feel it in some ways [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► it wouldn't matter it was certainly [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► bigger their economy but they want [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► people telling them how to make their t [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► you just don't tell people in the South [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► what to do and you know and and I I [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► think that's still I think that's still [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► true today I mean if we don't and I just [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► wanna be clear I'm not saying slavery [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► was a great idea but like that's the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► problem we can't have these [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► conversations it's a constant production [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► of third rails about all the things that [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► are off-limits because we've all decided [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► that we understand this story and i'm [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► just here to say I don't think we always [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► understand that story and RR amount of [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► certainty about how right we are how [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► wrong everybody else is and how much [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► they need to be rehabilitated to our [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► learning point of view is an affliction [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► especially on the on the left and right [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► coasts that we really feel like we need [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► to salute sweep in and and set these [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► folks straight now by Kennedy goes he [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► goes to Kentucky any he literally cries [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► because he sees what poverty people are [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► living in but you know what [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► he didn't he didn't go back and then [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► post things on facebook he understood [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► that welfare is an incredibly complex [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► problem to solve and it's going to take [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► more than just this one angle to even [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► begin to fix this problem and I I admire [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► that you know he didn't just sit around [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► and he didn't just take photos support [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► people and come back and show it to [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► everybody in Hyannisport he did [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► something about it and but he also [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► acknowledged that it was very [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► complicated [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► yeah he got shot to a really good point [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► so you be the the thing about the the [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► thing about the Civil War is that you [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► know III understanding exactly what [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► you're getting at but the but the Civil [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► War was was just about slavery [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► yeah just the a12 and the other argument [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► that it was about anything else is a is [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► a kind of like yes that's it's [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► everything that they say is true but it [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► is a kind of revisionism too because the [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► United States was fighting a war about [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► slavery for 25 years before the Civil [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► War or 450 years before the Civil War [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► ultimately yeah you can look back and [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► say that was about slavery because that [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► was a that was a thing that we were [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► going to have to fight a bloody [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► pleasantly shot each other about that's [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► what that's what we shot each other [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► about and that and and and the [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► underlying causes which like you're [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► saying is this clash of cultures between [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► the Cavaliers and the and the the [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► Quakers or whatever [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► yes that's all true and it's all written [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► in it but but at and and maybe you could [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► make an argument that all of these [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► liberal projects of the 20th century [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► have been incremental wars that have [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► prevented what could have been a much [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► bigger worse war in 1967 it was it was [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► plausible to people in 1967 that we were [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► headed to a conflict on the scale of the [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► civil war in the sense that people were [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► really like this and watch riots that is [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► exactly like burning cities fighting in [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► the streets insurrection that wasn't [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► such a scary time for everybody really [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► scary and and people you know and and [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► and what I will it hadn't happened was [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► we hadn't had 40 years of talking about [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► it to make it seem to make those ideas [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► seem I mean even even the most the the [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► biggest conservative zealot is familiar [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► with the concept of a sort of every [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► liberal totem but at the at the time in [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► 1967 I mean here there were there were [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► great swaths of just normal American [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► people that were still wrestling with [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► the concept of of conscientious [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► objectors like wait a minute what it why [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► wouldn't you want to go fight for [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► America in a war like they did it wasn't [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► even they couldn't get their heads [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► around it so so maybe maybe we have been [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► fighting these small battles and it has [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► released the pressure that would have [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► built up [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► would be to be a larger conflict the [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► civil war was inevitable and there [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► wasn't a way they tried they tried for [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► the 4 30 years beforehand to legislate [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► their way around the problem and and [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► concessions were made to the South like [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► you wouldn't believe we were I mean the [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► people in the north and Congress you [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► know they went back and forth just like [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► oh I would you like to have thursday [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► afternoons reserved for mint juleps when [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► we will make that national law if it [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► will it if if you will just concede that [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► that maybe you know free blacks can go [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► across Kansas without being like [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► bullwhipped by children so and it's not [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► starting with like saying an egg and I [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► should watch Lincoln again but it's not [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► starting with saying like tomorrow [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► your daughter has to marry a negro it [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► started with something much more simply [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► like can you just be less of a dick [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► about this is never get horny lives they [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► were I mean they were arguing it in my [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► in the Constitutional Congress something [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► they were arguing that these questions [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► all the way back and the South was just [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► well just contemptuous and immobile and [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► eventually never sending more kicks it [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► was good it was going to be a war you [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► know the the the British outlawed [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► slavery in 1802 or something so so that [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► so that whole like the southern argument [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► that the Civil War was really about [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► states rights or whatever it is that [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► people [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► want to say it's about it wasn't it was [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► about it was about that this was a thing [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► that needed to be resolved and some [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► people were just going to have to die [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► over it and the reality is looking back [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► in at America for the last 50 years in [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► 1957 I can't imagine standing in that [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► place and not maybe picturing that we [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► were going to have to have another that [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► we're gonna have to have a a war every [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► hundred years about this stuff and [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► somehow we we fought a terrible cultural [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► war but somehow we avoided taking up [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► arms and I mean other conspiracy [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► theories with theorists would say that [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► it was because the CIA started a crack [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► epidemic but you know and the FBI [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► definitely like worked really hard to [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► get the black panthers to fight [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► themselves but the reality is we we [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► tried a lot of different things to move [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► the move the culture forward so we [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► didn't have to fight a bruising [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► revolution [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► I don't know I don't know how we'd [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► illegal in the United States not in [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► Washington and then California past [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► medical marijuana in the nineties he's [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► an apple in san francisco or you know [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► and in the bay area especially you can [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► go out and you just it's just weed [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► everywhere here we did but here's the [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► funny part so there was you couldn't [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► have had died i can i'm not up [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► I don't know lots of things but but use [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► there's a pretty strong federal law [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► against this and you can agree or [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► disagree with it but then they can with [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► the California Medical Marijuana do this [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► they have this great thing years and [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► years ago where they attached federal [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► highway money to drug policy and if you [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► wanted to make something with having to [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► be 21 to buy alcohol [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► yeah if you wanted to change those laws [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► in your state that was fine but you [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► would sacrifice all of your federal [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► highway money experience turned to shit [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► was it was it was incredible it was a [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► incredible no state dared cross the [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► federal government because they were [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► like yeah sure change your policy all [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► one but but now the beauty part is that [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► they're trying on a local level you go [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► to the next level and now on a local [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► level people are trying to legislate [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► stuff like was owning for things like [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► you know we can have a pot dispensary ok [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► and now the people are freaking out [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► because they say it can be within a half [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► a mile obviously keep your hands keep [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► your hands your hands off my weed law [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► hippie it's like you're ok with the with [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► passing these backdoor laws for the [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► thing that suits you but like as soon as [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► somebody in the neighborhood [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► Oh local make it local you can have its [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► okay its cool you can have bong city set [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► up next to the preschool or whatever [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► fine whatever [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► but now with somebody else in a sauce [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► for the gander now somebody else is [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► getting actually you know what let's use [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► the law and the law is going to be that [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► there's going to be zoning on this and [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► you know luckily I think they're pretty [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► confused hopefully won't be a huge issue [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► yeah I i saw map of like concentric [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► circles around all the schools in san [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► francisco and if you know if you can't [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► build a pot dispensary within 500 yards [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► of the school the closest but Spencer [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► you could build is somewhere like on the [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► road to Sacramento it's also hard on sex [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► offenders [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► alright and i'm gonna live in opa be no [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► I'm peeing outside as you and I enjoy so [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► much you get caught it that you might be [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► a sex offender you know that sounds like [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► a jeff foxworthy bit [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► imagine if you know they're not here [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► Nate on the side of the house might be a [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► sex offender [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► many years ago I was that I was peeing [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► outside with a friend a genetic park as [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► you do and all of a sudden there was a [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► cop car there with its spotlight on and [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► that spotlighted my friend and for [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► whatever reason I'm standing 15 feet [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► away which is which is the this so [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► socially prescribed distance you stand [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► from your friend when you're being [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► together in the dark in a park but that [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► 15 feet away I was somehow out of the [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► spotlight aura and the cops are [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► spotlighting my buddy and they're like [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► hey and he's like oh shit and I'm [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► standing right there in the middle of a [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► park they don't see me and I finish [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► peeing and I zip up my pants [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► and I walked around a tree like a head [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► around there's a treat next minute walk [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► around it and come out from the other [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► side and then walk up as these two cops [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► are getting out and arresting my friend [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► and I'm like hey fellas what's going on [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► and my buddy's like hey I made literally [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► handcuffed him and put him in the police [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► car and drove off into the night is in [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► Seattle yeah and I was like oh man shit [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► and my friend was like dude you gotta [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► help me out here and I left nothing i [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► could do we know I wasn't gonna say hey [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► I was pissing to and so I stood there [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► and he was like you know come bail me [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► out and I was like I don't have any [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► money [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► happy now topics and and he was like [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► this are that is civil right he was [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► yelling at me faster think I'm just I [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► was just going from here to there [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► the cops even comes never even looked at [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► me anyway what I'm worried about em [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► ultimately is I have a house full of [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► instruments and I'm worried that that [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► does not present enough challenge to my [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► daughter is efficient [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► that's right so music is all around her [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► she is invited to play any instrument at [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► any time she isn't going to develop any [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► interest in it at all i think about [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► hiding them i'm thinking about making [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► them all off limits to her you know that [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► the famous story about the Jacksons was [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► that that Dad Jackson had a guitar and [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► he said no one touch my guitar I better [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► not see anybody ever touch this guitar [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► and then Jermaine or whatever like [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► taught himself to play the guitar and [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► then little by little all the Jacksons [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► learn to play on this guitar and they [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► hit they had to hide it from their dad [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► and he only discovered it when one day [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► they broke a string and they didn't know [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► how to [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► fix it and he came home and saw that [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► they've been playing his guitar and he [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► was like what's the story here it comes [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► to help that well yeah and I think you [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► probably the shit out of it but then [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► eventually he discovered like oh shit [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► they're all they're all amazing [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► musicians [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► hey wait a minute i might not have to [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► work i should have a keyboard so you [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► know so you think that's what he thought [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► you think he saw him take it [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► yeah but the barrier to entry togo 45 [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► net the confined to the trucks ready the [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► barrier to entry there has to be one you [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► know you there has to be something I [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► totally get what you're saying I mean [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► yeah exactly there's nothing there's [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► nothing to it comes like furniture would [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► be like playing the couch right so so [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► and that is why so many like hipster [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► musicians they you know they raise their [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► kids to be to you know to be like group [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► stirs and the kids just end up [TS]

01:07:33 ◼   ► yeah i was about to say they end up [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► being football players and and [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► cheerleaders but really I have no [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► evidence that's like seventy two percent [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► on 72 cents on the dollar [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► it's evidence that that happens it just [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► seems like a good thing to say your [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► daughter's gonna end up being a [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► cheerleader [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► you gotta get seventy two percent of the [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► guitar give hissing in theaters up there [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► you're missing during the the trailer [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► movie know how we get hissing it's it's [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► a thing here i think some people just do [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► it because you know little things like [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► when you go to that one tunnel by the [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► golden gate bridge Red Hawk so that the [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► tone [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► yeah yeah i think i think you know that [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► the hissing is it really [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► it's aight i can't even tell if it's [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► ironic anymore no there's no he wouldn't [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► in the Northwest you would not make a [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► public display like that without really [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► upsetting people [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► you get into the theater and you you [TS]