Roderick on the Line

Ep. 58: "Squirearchy of Monks"


00:00:00   hello hey john murray and Men right [TS]

00:00:12   there [TS]

00:00:13   yeah just thinking the candlestick in [TS]

00:00:15   John it will come back to you know yeah [TS]

00:00:19   that's nice you know for a while there I [TS]

00:00:21   was trying to sing a song for jonathan [TS]

00:00:23   coulton when I talked to him on the [TS]

00:00:24   phone and the back [TS]

00:00:27   the only thing I could come up with was [TS]

00:00:29   Jonathan Coulton helps your hamburger [TS]

00:00:31   help you make a great deal and it didn't [TS]

00:00:35   make any sense to you one of us perfect [TS]

00:00:37   but there it is [TS]

00:00:39   uh-huh then as time went on it evolved [TS]

00:00:42   to jonathan coulton helps you Jonathan [TS]

00:00:45   cold turn jonathan coulton not Michael [TS]

00:00:49   Bolton got nothing wrong with Bolton [TS]

00:00:53   family-run little cool been thinking who [TS]

00:00:58   have been thinking a lot about Benjamin [TS]

00:01:01   Franklin since i talked to do you know [TS]

00:01:04   that always gets my attention [TS]

00:01:06   yeah I'm convinced now that Benjamin [TS]

00:01:09   Franklin is more or less responsible for [TS]

00:01:12   the French Revolution who he was [TS]

00:01:18   I'm gonna I'm gonna pies and just do a [TS]

00:01:20   little tightening around the office [TS]

00:01:21   haha i really want wow ok he was the [TS]

00:01:27   american society of the just jump in if [TS]

00:01:29   you're still talking [TS]

00:01:31   it was the American ambassador Benjamin [TS]

00:01:33   Franklin to see little handedly [TS]

00:01:36   responsible [TS]

00:01:37   yeah to leave the 16th Versailles the [TS]

00:01:41   picture if you will [TS]

00:01:42   picture the scene who Ben Franklin came [TS]

00:01:46   ready [TS]

00:01:46   he's waltzing around at Versailles and [TS]

00:01:51   his in his intentionally shabby American [TS]

00:01:54   clothes and he's he's screwing girls [TS]

00:01:58   left and right [TS]

00:02:00   and he's he's he's got a he's got a Oh a [TS]

00:02:03   witticism a bone marrow for everything [TS]

00:02:06   he's doing is ben franklin rag and all [TS]

00:02:10   the aristocracy is like this guy this [TS]

00:02:13   guy he's incredible this Ben Franklin [TS]

00:02:17   who and it's planting the seed we got to [TS]

00:02:22   get rid of this King the Americans are [TS]

00:02:25   onto something [TS]

00:02:26   this Ben Franklin is such a character [TS]

00:02:29   we want a little bit more of this action [TS]

00:02:30   huh you know they're pooping behind [TS]

00:02:33   curtains and doing that whole that whole [TS]

00:02:36   French thing all dressed in pink silk [TS]

00:02:38   and Franklin's just you know he's [TS]

00:02:41   wearing his tweeds or whatever his [TS]

00:02:43   American he's probably got sweatpants on [TS]

00:02:45   there thinking this is what freedom [TS]

00:02:48   looks like is that still in the colonial [TS]

00:02:50   days there's a poster [TS]

00:02:53   well you know of a French Revolution was [TS]

00:02:56   1789 American Revolution of 1776 so [TS]

00:03:00   there's a slim interregnum there and he [TS]

00:03:04   introduced a lot love virality we're [TS]

00:03:09   addressing our viral politics [TS]

00:03:12   ya see Louie Louie the 16 he he hated [TS]

00:03:16   the British so much that he thought that [TS]

00:03:19   he thought that Franklin and the [TS]

00:03:20   Americans were like on his side he was [TS]

00:03:23   focused on England right so he thought [TS]

00:03:25   that align himself with Americans what [TS]

00:03:28   was going to work out for him because we [TS]

00:03:31   we were all fighting the British what he [TS]

00:03:33   didn't realize was the Franklin with [TS]

00:03:36   shaggin for all lines [TS]

00:03:39   mhm and spreading sedition is that the [TS]

00:03:45   fatty r17 version 7 central version of [TS]

00:03:47   stress mom he was basically Franklin was [TS]

00:03:50   a giant ball of stress bump in li the [TS]

00:03:52   16th underwear drawer and and then then [TS]

00:03:58   then when it's not when the when the [TS]

00:03:59   French are like fed up there they have [TS]

00:04:02   this role model they have this American [TS]

00:04:04   idea and they're like we can do this [TS]

00:04:07   he'll only already franklyn's already [TS]

00:04:09   talked to [TS]

00:04:11   in order to spread that he's talking to [TS]

00:04:15   kind of like the M narco middle managers [TS]

00:04:19   he's talking to people Gentry is talking [TS]

00:04:21   with people who would benefit from [TS]

00:04:22   chicken off the shackles the court you [TS]

00:04:27   know it when you look at the aristocracy [TS]

00:04:29   and you're a bit at that time and we [TS]

00:04:31   always think of England England had like [TS]

00:04:34   several hundred really rich really [TS]

00:04:37   powerful families but France the way [TS]

00:04:41   there aristocracy worked there were like [TS]

00:04:43   fifty thousand aristocratic families in [TS]

00:04:48   France there are all these little little [TS]

00:04:50   minor barons and you know so that the [TS]

00:04:53   court of Louis the sixteenth business [TS]

00:04:55   baby has this big house and there's [TS]

00:04:57   just--there's aristocracy everywhere [TS]

00:04:59   there in the there in the flower garden [TS]

00:05:01   there there are you know behind the [TS]

00:05:03   cupboard in the kitchen there are people [TS]

00:05:05   everywhere and they're all there's this [TS]

00:05:07   Rankin this hierarchy or this the squire [TS]

00:05:13   are key and how long is sitting on that [TS]

00:05:16   one that's another one been sitting on [TS]

00:05:19   what one square are key that's pretty [TS]

00:05:21   good yeah Squire r ki square RT all the [TS]

00:05:25   little squires and and Franklin is there [TS]

00:05:29   and America is very fashionable at this [TS]

00:05:30   time right because because hey where we [TS]

00:05:35   had a revolution where were like where [TS]

00:05:38   the with the justin bieber of Nations [TS]

00:05:40   brand-new swoopy hair uh-huh so Franklin [TS]

00:05:46   and also you know Lafayette was a hero [TS]

00:05:49   of the American Revolution was gonna ask [TS]

00:05:51   me they helped up big time we could do [TS]

00:05:54   without the Germans right yeah they were [TS]

00:05:56   they were well that but you know in fact [TS]

00:05:58   the Saxons fought on behalf of of [TS]

00:06:01   England against the Americans but the [TS]

00:06:04   French poured money into the revolution [TS]

00:06:06   so we were we were fast friends big bros [TS]

00:06:09   but Franklin I'm telling you he was over [TS]

00:06:13   there [TS]

00:06:13   this was his posting and I think a lot [TS]

00:06:15   of the I think the Americans you know I [TS]

00:06:17   think the continental type sent Franklin [TS]

00:06:19   to france just to get them out of their [TS]

00:06:21   hair [TS]

00:06:22   and he was there just a swingin dick [TS]

00:06:24   Franklin oh all all like slyness and and [TS]

00:06:31   he's kind of he was I think he was he [TS]

00:06:36   was he was a goer if you know what I [TS]

00:06:38   mean he was a finger in the pooper [TS]

00:06:40   mm that's pretty french mhm so anyway [TS]

00:06:44   then French Revolution than Napoleon and [TS]

00:06:47   we know that that leads to World War one [TS]

00:06:50   so basically Franklin responsible for [TS]

00:06:55   the Holocaust ah I'm gonna need to make [TS]

00:07:03   a chart up early this morning you did I [TS]

00:07:06   was lying you're better i was going to [TS]

00:07:07   be a minute so hmmm interesting but I [TS]

00:07:11   really believe that i really believe [TS]

00:07:12   that there's some meat to this Franklin [TS]

00:07:14   started the French Revolution theory i [TS]

00:07:17   was reading I don't click to my share [TS]

00:07:19   but i was reading a story the other day [TS]

00:07:20   one of the many things i didn't finish [TS]

00:07:22   reading this week about Franklin and how [TS]

00:07:24   it's interesting there's two people I've [TS]

00:07:27   been thinking about this weekend gold [TS]

00:07:28   and Benjamin Franklin and two people who [TS]

00:07:31   learn how to deliberately kind of work [TS]

00:07:36   their eccentricities goals too much you [TS]

00:07:38   can save him for another show [TS]

00:07:40   I'm very interesting guy but Benjamin [TS]

00:07:41   Franklin i think was entirely he [TS]

00:07:44   basically for example the the classic [TS]

00:07:47   example that most of us know and then [TS]

00:07:48   unknown turns out and did the whole like [TS]

00:07:51   people tried to replicate the whole kite [TS]

00:07:54   and the key in a jar lightning thing and [TS]

00:07:57   it seems that based on what i can gather [TS]

00:07:59   that either wouldn't work and/or you [TS]

00:08:02   would die if they're right but you know [TS]

00:08:06   the thing is he was there so he knows [TS]

00:08:08   whether or not at work [TS]

00:08:09   the story went out it was contemporary [TS]

00:08:11   at the time people knew about mr. [TS]

00:08:13   Franklin and stuff he had the stoves and [TS]

00:08:15   whatnot and down and he apparently did [TS]

00:08:19   very little to dispel that myth or to [TS]

00:08:21   say does dispel that you know story or i [TS]

00:08:24   guess i don't think he may have said [TS]

00:08:26   yeah it's totally happened i was there i [TS]

00:08:28   Ben Franklin a big swinging dick right [TS]

00:08:30   but he he enjoyed it [TS]

00:08:32   is selected me I I have to imagine that [TS]

00:08:35   helped him get the tip into a lot of [TS]

00:08:37   butts continental or otherwise you have [TS]

00:08:39   to have these things about him and yeah [TS]

00:08:41   and like like the equally annoying Oscar [TS]

00:08:43   Wilde he he was graded upon mall [TS]

00:08:46   mmm french french phrase means a bit me [TS]

00:08:49   sandwich is that right the bun mont get [TS]

00:08:52   the bottom odds of delicious carrots in [TS]

00:08:54   the sliced pork [TS]

00:08:55   yeah yeah well if you want to call it [TS]

00:08:56   pork and Vietnam French colony just put [TS]

00:08:59   it all together just right at the around [TS]

00:09:01   French colony been friendly responsible [TS]

00:09:03   for Vietnam being sore yet the French [TS]

00:09:05   the Vichy were 44 the Vichy you know [TS]

00:09:08   french french first country to send [TS]

00:09:10   their ass and their juice to the camps [TS]

00:09:12   first non-german couple well hm [TS]

00:09:15   yep I'm with you so for anyway I just [TS]

00:09:18   think it's interesting because you know [TS]

00:09:21   there's all those it i think the [TS]

00:09:23   original turns out things for me were [TS]

00:09:25   dispelling a lot of these myths in the [TS]

00:09:28   days before snopes when you can just [TS]

00:09:29   read something like the people's almanac [TS]

00:09:31   of the book of lists 13 I I learned a [TS]

00:09:35   lot of what i should be unlearning from [TS]

00:09:37   this book's Yeah Yeah right yeah well [TS]

00:09:39   I'm far be it from you or I to ever [TS]

00:09:42   subscribe to the great man theory of [TS]

00:09:44   history we don't believe in great men we [TS]

00:09:48   believe in that we have at least three [TS]

00:09:49   episodes to staying something to the [TS]

00:09:51   contrary we believe in the small actions [TS]

00:09:54   of many many many anonymous people over [TS]

00:09:56   this is over the centuries [TS]

00:09:57   callate callate that is that there's no [TS]

00:10:00   there's no theory of great men and in [TS]

00:10:03   our podcast now but in this one instance [TS]

00:10:06   i think i think we can say that Ben [TS]

00:10:09   Franklin is the wheel upon whom history [TS]

00:10:13   turn [TS]

00:10:14   I've got even know where to fucking [TS]

00:10:15   begin with this so first of all he I [TS]

00:10:17   think you and I have to look at Ben [TS]

00:10:19   Franklin and be both odd and furious [TS]

00:10:21   well yeah Ben Franklin uh if i was going [TS]

00:10:25   to be if I was going to go back to [TS]

00:10:28   the Continental Congress I'm of afraid [TS]

00:10:32   for myself how much I would be the Ben [TS]

00:10:36   Franklin you know you want to be the [TS]

00:10:38   Jefferson give a sense of what time they [TS]

00:10:40   started each day [TS]

00:10:41   mmm baby starters on a lot of those guys [TS]

00:10:44   that farmers they were used to getting [TS]

00:10:45   up early started early but I think [TS]

00:10:47   Franklin rolled him i think he rolled in [TS]

00:10:49   a little bit later you through a lumber [TS]

00:10:50   like Benny and you're gonna come in [TS]

00:10:52   whenever fucking seats you [TS]

00:10:53   that's right and you know the phone so [TS]

00:10:54   I'm sorry i was busy i was busy [TS]

00:10:56   inventing something that will change [TS]

00:10:58   your life [TS]

00:10:59   yeah exactly i was i was inventing [TS]

00:11:00   eyeglasses I'm sorry i was saving your [TS]

00:11:03   forebears from a from a wretched [TS]

00:11:05   agrarian future [TS]

00:11:06   yeah you know he's a lot older than most [TS]

00:11:08   of those guys yes and so I think he [TS]

00:11:11   rolled in whenever the hell he wanted a [TS]

00:11:12   always born in America right that's [TS]

00:11:15   important i think he was born in America [TS]

00:11:17   he's one of the original Americans [TS]

00:11:19   energy that's right isn't it is an Ogier [TS]

00:11:21   yeah what okay so you know on the one [TS]

00:11:24   hand you know early bed early to rise [TS]

00:11:25   you know porches Almanac you know you [TS]

00:11:27   definitely don't want to be atoms in [TS]

00:11:29   that situation even though he he was a [TS]

00:11:31   great man and he wrote a lot of great [TS]

00:11:32   stuff you just got a sense that he was a [TS]

00:11:34   very tense got the kids the Salieri to [TS]

00:11:37   to Franklin's Mozart because I mean [TS]

00:11:39   John's did a lot of shit but I think [TS]

00:11:41   he's got to be sitting around guys over [TS]

00:11:42   here like I'm doing the heavy lifting I [TS]

00:11:44   think Jefferson was the Mozart of that [TS]

00:11:46   analogy [TS]

00:11:47   oh yes ok I'll accept that and who is [TS]

00:11:49   emery Abraham haha see in the oh man I [TS]

00:11:53   think you might have been the omen [TS]

00:11:54   trying to remember I never saw the omen [TS]

00:11:58   man i hate to be seen XFM radio program [TS]

00:12:00   on a plane through there are so many [TS]

00:12:03   people on the list of people I would [TS]

00:12:04   hate to be seated next to on a plane [TS]

00:12:06   Oh covered begin I'm saying I'm saying [TS]

00:12:09   is it's incredibly frustrating that this [TS]

00:12:10   great man got so much accomplished he [TS]

00:12:12   did half of the stuff that he appears to [TS]

00:12:14   have done it again it's incredibly [TS]

00:12:16   frustrating [TS]

00:12:16   yeah well and you know particularly when [TS]

00:12:19   you get the sense that he was a tinkerer [TS]

00:12:21   and a nepali mankind about davinci that [TS]

00:12:25   he was also that he was interrupted but [TS]

00:12:26   also that he was confident that he would [TS]

00:12:29   say when the one thing i love about a [TS]

00:12:30   tinkerer who actually ends up producing [TS]

00:12:32   things in addition to the ability to [TS]

00:12:34   synthesize information and so forth is [TS]

00:12:36   that ability to [TS]

00:12:37   this might be a thing I spent half a day [TS]

00:12:39   on this haha bifocals what's was a [TS]

00:12:43   bifocal you'll see a literally you know [TS]

00:12:47   but you and I are sitting around you [TS]

00:12:49   know [TS]

00:12:50   yeah yeah I don't want around devoting [TS]

00:12:53   ourselves devoting our entire lives to [TS]

00:12:55   turning lead into gold and at the end [TS]

00:12:58   reply x we have 42 notebooks varicella [TS]

00:13:02   Paracelsus my favorite alchemist but [TS]

00:13:05   then on the other hand and this is this [TS]

00:13:06   is this could be several episodes but i [TS]

00:13:08   just want your thought on this [TS]

00:13:10   I cannot help my family adequately [TS]

00:13:12   understand how important it is for me to [TS]

00:13:14   lay in bed awake but not completely [TS]

00:13:17   awake in the morning and it's and I [TS]

00:13:20   understand i have to get up and [TS]

00:13:21   participate in family life I understand [TS]

00:13:23   that but i'm curious based on the kind [TS]

00:13:25   of the dynamism that you're bringing [TS]

00:13:27   with the discussion like Franklin to [TS]

00:13:29   Holocaust and five easy steps i have to [TS]

00:13:31   tell you that when I wake up in the [TS]

00:13:32   morning I don't remember my dreams like [TS]

00:13:33   I used to and I don't care because [TS]

00:13:34   dreams are stupid but I do wake up and I [TS]

00:13:37   can feel this process of thoughts [TS]

00:13:40   arranging themselves [TS]

00:13:41   I can feel that there are it's almost [TS]

00:13:43   like if I would imagine some kind of you [TS]

00:13:46   know like there's these little will the [TS]

00:13:47   wisps all just kind of wander and slowly [TS]

00:13:50   things are starting to make sense and I [TS]

00:13:52   feel like just about the moment i'm [TS]

00:13:53   ready to figure everything out my [TS]

00:13:56   daughter comes in and wants to watch my [TS]

00:13:57   lawn and she gets me out of bed and I [TS]

00:14:00   don't know i'm curious if you have [TS]

00:14:01   something like that my senses that given [TS]

00:14:02   the opportunity might spend even more [TS]

00:14:04   time in bed if you could but I actually [TS]

00:14:06   that's my that's that studies that study [TS]

00:14:08   special thinking time [TS]

00:14:09   yeah just as you described that first [TS]

00:14:11   that that that that process of waking up [TS]

00:14:14   and gradually coming into the world is [TS]

00:14:17   absolutely it's the magic the magic hour [TS]

00:14:21   for me and if it's interrupted I'm [TS]

00:14:24   otherwise everything is neatly the magic [TS]

00:14:27   hour between 1145-12 45 but but but I i [TS]

00:14:33   love it if I if I find myself kind of [TS]

00:14:35   coming it into awakeness and I roll over [TS]

00:14:39   and start staring up at the ceiling and [TS]

00:14:43   all is still a dream you know where my [TS]

00:14:46   thinking is still happening in dream [TS]

00:14:48   language but i'm awake [TS]

00:14:50   and that's a good way to put it yeah and [TS]

00:14:52   i am and i sit and process all kinds of [TS]

00:14:56   things and and I don't I I try not to [TS]

00:14:58   interrupt that I try not to i try not to [TS]

00:15:01   let like my worries about the day [TS]

00:15:03   intrude [TS]

00:15:04   that's a time when it's like mi wonder [TS]

00:15:06   if ben franklin can be blamed for the [TS]

00:15:10   Holocaust let me see how do i how do I [TS]

00:15:13   reverse-engineer West is a whisper over [TS]

00:15:15   here that one of these is further away [TS]

00:15:17   and and suddenly there's this a synaptic [TS]

00:15:20   leap that you don't have if you want [TS]

00:15:21   super-fine yeah and so I but then I [TS]

00:15:25   appreciate and this is one of the things [TS]

00:15:27   where I look at the way the world works [TS]

00:15:29   I've had I've had this experience and a [TS]

00:15:31   few times in the last month where I have [TS]

00:15:33   perceived someone my age of a friend or [TS]

00:15:37   an associate i have perceived them and [TS]

00:15:39   their family from from from one remove [TS]

00:15:44   like kind of appearing in their window [TS]

00:15:45   on Christmas morning and the thing about [TS]

00:15:47   the thing about facebook and also [TS]

00:15:50   knowing people sort of in a wide circle [TS]

00:15:52   is that everyone's while you get this [TS]

00:15:54   glimpse inside someone else's home where [TS]

00:15:58   you really do have the van an intimate [TS]

00:16:00   vantage point but you're not but you [TS]

00:16:02   don't get to see how it actually is [TS]

00:16:04   you're just kind of looking in their [TS]

00:16:05   window and I've had this experience a of [TS]

00:16:08   seeing these these people that I know my [TS]

00:16:10   age and feeling like oh my goodness they [TS]

00:16:13   are adults there they have an adult [TS]

00:16:16   house their family their kids think of [TS]

00:16:20   them as their parents you know like they [TS]

00:16:22   are mom and dad the way that we thought [TS]

00:16:24   about our parents and and in the in the [TS]

00:16:29   reflected glow of that I i look at my [TS]

00:16:31   own life and I go but I you know I'm I [TS]

00:16:33   mean I'm I'm not all grown up yet in [TS]

00:16:37   that way I make my house is not an [TS]

00:16:40   adult's house it is a house that is [TS]

00:16:43   transitioning some it's like a it's like [TS]

00:16:46   am hunting lodge where grandma bomb i [TS]

00:16:49   disagree i think they could be it could [TS]

00:16:51   be a a delirious 84-year old man's house [TS]

00:16:55   ok sure someone who worked in the [TS]

00:16:57   foreign soon as you might be a super [TS]

00:16:59   adult [TS]

00:17:01   that's right a retired adult his left [TS]

00:17:03   eye but but but that perception that [TS]

00:17:08   glimpse of other people's worlds and [TS]

00:17:12   then realizing that part of what makes [TS]

00:17:14   their house adult is that no one has a [TS]

00:17:17   half an hour in the morning to lay in [TS]

00:17:19   bed and let their dreams manifest you [TS]

00:17:23   know all those people are waking up to a [TS]

00:17:25   bell and they are they are kicking it [TS]

00:17:29   into gear and they are going going going [TS]

00:17:30   and breakfast is it 730 and let's get it [TS]

00:17:33   let's get going [TS]

00:17:35   that part of that's part of the adult [TS]

00:17:37   problem now and I'm this I I first I [TS]

00:17:40   totally agree with you I feel exactly [TS]

00:17:41   like I think I feel exactly the same way [TS]

00:17:42   that if anything though I feel like I [TS]

00:17:44   represent a collage of different kinds [TS]

00:17:47   and parts of adulthood different [TS]

00:17:49   different your adult quilt [TS]

00:17:51   yeah yeah and the funny thing is i can't [TS]

00:17:53   even say that like oh I lived like a [TS]

00:17:55   child but I think like an adult or [TS]

00:17:57   anything [TS]

00:17:57   I think like really my thought processes [TS]

00:18:00   are so compartmentalized and we look [TS]

00:18:02   like for adults [TS]

00:18:03   I think like four different adults the [TS]

00:18:05   Four Horsemen of the adulthood because I [TS]

00:18:06   mean is there's parts of me that I think [TS]

00:18:08   are my life would like to think are you [TS]

00:18:12   know unfortunately not very useful parts [TS]

00:18:14   but for example I mean while I'm not a [TS]

00:18:16   Buddhist because I don't you know [TS]

00:18:18   meditate and stuff like there's this [TS]

00:18:19   part of me that acceptance is just a [TS]

00:18:22   huge part of my life in a lot of ways [TS]

00:18:24   and as may be evident there aren't that [TS]

00:18:26   many things that I like pine for and I [TS]

00:18:28   don't like sitting around going oh if [TS]

00:18:29   only I had this other thing and it's a [TS]

00:18:31   source of sunday pride but a source of [TS]

00:18:34   you know the feeling of like if you've [TS]

00:18:35   accomplished something that used to be a [TS]

00:18:37   problem and I like that part of myself [TS]

00:18:39   that I honestly can roll my eyes about [TS]

00:18:41   things other people obsess over and and [TS]

00:18:45   and handle that but at the same time if [TS]

00:18:47   i'm lucky i wake up in a dream state but [TS]

00:18:49   other times i realize how many adult [TS]

00:18:51   things I am fucking up every single day [TS]

00:18:53   and I make noise like I go and whenever [TS]

00:18:56   i wake up and go and if i get two of [TS]

00:18:59   those to this become [TS]

00:19:00   uh I don't want to make that noise well [TS]

00:19:03   the thing is that your next up at a bad [TS]

00:19:05   adult part your acceptance is a thing [TS]

00:19:07   that you and I look at and say well that [TS]

00:19:09   is very adult-like that isn't that is an [TS]

00:19:12   adult that I aspire to that I aspire to [TS]

00:19:14   be someone who has this kind of longview [TS]

00:19:17   but in fact relative to this looking at [TS]

00:19:22   other peoples quickly windows on [TS]

00:19:24   Christmas morning adulthood by their [TS]

00:19:28   standards or by normal standards is not [TS]

00:19:31   at all about accepting the long view it [TS]

00:19:35   is you know what what keeps that engine [TS]

00:19:37   running is the sort of acquisitive [TS]

00:19:40   nature of we we we want a bigger house [TS]

00:19:43   we want to we want a nice her living [TS]

00:19:45   room we want more stuff from restoration [TS]

00:19:47   hardware we want or williams-sonoma [TS]

00:19:49   kitchen appliances I mean that is the [TS]

00:19:53   stuff that you look in the window and NB [TS]

00:19:54   like oh my god they have a breadmaker [TS]

00:19:57   I don't know how their other kitchen [TS]

00:19:59   chairs match that's so you don't mind [TS]

00:20:02   you have your own kind of fork wow my [TS]

00:20:04   kitchen chairs match because I found [TS]

00:20:07   them in my barn but and somebody else [TS]

00:20:10   arrange the matching like bar and [TS]

00:20:13   seating when I got to this house I was [TS]

00:20:14   like huh I wonder what's in the barn I [TS]

00:20:16   went over there was like a kitchen table [TS]

00:20:18   and matching chairs up jack [TS]

00:20:20   I'll move those over into the house and [TS]

00:20:22   now again oh that clears your field of [TS]

00:20:24   vision because now that's off your [TS]

00:20:25   mental slide puzzle for having to go to [TS]

00:20:27   the the thrift store right well my Forks [TS]

00:20:30   don't match and I'm that's a source of [TS]

00:20:32   personal provide the forks i have that [TS]

00:20:34   match with mostly lost so we're very [TS]

00:20:36   close to falling back into the non [TS]

00:20:37   matching for problem is i go ahead [TS]

00:20:40   the thing I like about your kitchen is [TS]

00:20:41   that stainless steel table that was one [TS]

00:20:44   of the best things we ever did and [TS]

00:20:45   changed it i mean given the constraints [TS]

00:20:47   and we live in a very our houses built [TS]

00:20:49   in 1928 it feels like it it's really [TS]

00:20:51   weird like a lot of San Francisco houses [TS]

00:20:53   I don't can't I can't promise this [TS]

00:20:55   because it might have been built as [TS]

00:20:56   flats but it was probably built this [TS]

00:20:58   flat because you know San Francisco [TS]

00:21:00   especially in the central neighborhoods [TS]

00:21:01   most of those houses start as one giant [TS]

00:21:03   house [TS]

00:21:03   yeah and it feels like it was built as [TS]

00:21:05   flats I think so I think so but I mean I [TS]

00:21:07   don't think it's flats for you know I [TS]

00:21:10   no I think I think maybe it's a flat for [TS]

00:21:12   a divorced [TS]

00:21:13   sergeant in 1946 mm 128 I guess [TS]

00:21:18   somebody's about to lose all their money [TS]

00:21:19   anyway but somebody somebody with a snap [TS]

00:21:22   brim fedora and and spat [TS]

00:21:26   hey co-op triangle this there's so many [TS]

00:21:30   things about our kitchen in particular [TS]

00:21:31   that are completely wrong the way I talk [TS]

00:21:33   to my friends who have all the mod-cons [TS]

00:21:35   as my mother-in-law says and you know [TS]

00:21:38   I'm gonna conveniences and so like we [TS]

00:21:40   have a single sink if you don't know [TS]

00:21:42   what all the harms our google it dammit [TS]

00:21:44   well I can always count on that and but [TS]

00:21:47   we don't have for example the big one [TS]

00:21:49   big one [TS]

00:21:49   you know can I make a lot of meat I know [TS]

00:21:51   you do we do not have a hood we don't [TS]

00:21:53   have a vent [TS]

00:21:54   oh interesting what do you do when the [TS]

00:21:55   house filled with smoke weed eaters much [TS]

00:21:57   what you precisely turn off the smoke [TS]

00:21:59   alarm and open windows and basically a [TS]

00:22:03   greasy fog hangs over my daughter's room [TS]

00:22:05   for two hours [TS]

00:22:06   have you ever thought about just having [TS]

00:22:07   a shopback in America and just leave it [TS]

00:22:09   on while you cook i had not ready but [TS]

00:22:12   say I don't get too wound up in this but [TS]

00:22:14   I think it does this get to an important [TS]

00:22:16   point and when I cook there's the other [TS]

00:22:17   problem now not enough should that [TS]

00:22:19   matter well if we just had a hot plate [TS]

00:22:21   and we're like the braising tuna fish [TS]

00:22:24   it wouldn't be a problem but we also [TS]

00:22:26   have a really shitty oven range and oven [TS]

00:22:29   and so we get like five BTUs so what I [TS]

00:22:32   have to do i have to heat a pan up for [TS]

00:22:34   like four hours [TS]

00:22:35   I gotta cook with coconut oil because [TS]

00:22:37   the only way I can get a a seer so I [TS]

00:22:39   make this incredibly hot pan I throw it [TS]

00:22:40   in and it's I mean it's like I don't [TS]

00:22:42   like some kind of Cajun hot place just [TS]

00:22:44   fills with smoke and so that anyone else [TS]

00:22:47   we don't have a dishwasher [TS]

00:22:49   you know we got all cuz there's no place [TS]

00:22:51   to put a dishwasher will have some of [TS]

00:22:52   this though is though is that you are [TS]

00:22:53   renters yeah and you you you don't feel [TS]

00:22:57   like you can improve your kitchen with [TS]

00:23:00   your own money because it's not your [TS]

00:23:01   place we also we have a wonderful [TS]

00:23:02   relationship of 13 years now with our [TS]

00:23:04   landlords but they are literally the [TS]

00:23:05   cheapest people in the world and you [TS]

00:23:06   have to be cautious if you've got a [TS]

00:23:08   cheap landlord and no offense they're [TS]

00:23:09   great people and identity listen the [TS]

00:23:11   show but but they're great people but [TS]

00:23:13   you have to be cautious about what you [TS]

00:23:15   asked them to fix all right because they [TS]

00:23:17   bring in a little bit of what I secretly [TS]

00:23:18   referred to as old-world Irish [TS]

00:23:20   craftsmanship [TS]

00:23:21   haha sounds like for example [TS]

00:23:24   in our furnace our original 1928 furnace [TS]

00:23:26   broke [TS]

00:23:27   I've told you this and I told our [TS]

00:23:28   landlord has a wonderful sweet guy he [TS]

00:23:30   said I haven't had heating the house in [TS]

00:23:31   20 years even though he has like three [TS]

00:23:34   children had three children is Amanda's [TS]

00:23:36   in his eighties and even though he's a [TS]

00:23:38   multi-millionaire because not all these [TS]

00:23:40   houses when there are twenty to sixty [TS]

00:23:41   thousand dollars and he doesn't have [TS]

00:23:43   heat in his house at all he's saying I [TS]

00:23:45   don't know he's got like broken windows [TS]

00:23:47   he's it's old-world art and so like if [TS]

00:23:49   you ask them to come over we had for [TS]

00:23:50   example sometimes were falling in the [TS]

00:23:53   battle area and everybody did that thing [TS]

00:23:55   where if you push the wall the wall [TS]

00:23:57   would give an eighth of an inch when I [TS]

00:24:00   thought you know what I can take care of [TS]

00:24:01   this [TS]

00:24:02   I'm gonna hire course I took it down [TS]

00:24:04   everything locally [TS]

00:24:05   this is the kind of thing that makes [TS]

00:24:06   your kid weird we had a hole in the wall [TS]

00:24:09   made of mold that basically we had a [TS]

00:24:13   whole I tried to patch it and basically [TS]

00:24:16   it didn't work i call them up i said hey [TS]

00:24:18   you know the usual drill like I i tried [TS]

00:24:20   to fix this myself [TS]

00:24:21   I don't be a jerk I know you don't like [TS]

00:24:22   fixing your own house but they came over [TS]

00:24:25   and they essentially put tile over the [TS]

00:24:26   whole oh yeah well that's how you do it [TS]

00:24:28   well you didn't like fix the the [TS]

00:24:31   underlying wall they literally put tile [TS]

00:24:33   over a hole-in-the-wall you know that is [TS]

00:24:35   a great description of Irish politics [TS]

00:24:38   too is that right yeah I've just been [TS]

00:24:40   toiling over the hole and Irish politics [TS]

00:24:42   for 250 years the starchy diet but that [TS]

00:24:45   acceptance thing I think can be very [TS]

00:24:47   important I think discussion I think [TS]

00:24:48   we'll probably clicked off of a recent [TS]

00:24:50   episode we did but I was talking about [TS]

00:24:51   back when I used to be a web guy and I [TS]

00:24:53   have clients that had worked for months [TS]

00:24:56   who would call me up and complain that [TS]

00:24:57   the internet wasn't working like the [TS]

00:24:59   modem didn't work because I was the [TS]

00:25:01   person they need to call the and I would [TS]

00:25:04   answer the phone because I'm a gentleman [TS]

00:25:05   I would end up having to listen to them [TS]

00:25:07   complain and the more tried to explain [TS]

00:25:09   to them in the nicest way possible that [TS]

00:25:11   i wasn't responsible for that the angry [TS]

00:25:13   they got and and let this two lessons [TS]

00:25:16   there's less than 12 sided lesson on the [TS]

00:25:18   one hand like if I'm that guy in a [TS]

00:25:21   transaction i kinda want to figure out [TS]

00:25:23   like who I'm yelling at my everything [TS]

00:25:27   and take a step back and ask myself [TS]

00:25:29   whether this is something i need to [TS]

00:25:30   accept and if I'm not willing to accept [TS]

00:25:32   it is there something other than google [TS]

00:25:34   me that I can do to solve this [TS]

00:25:36   and then on the other end I hope this [TS]

00:25:39   doesn't sound like carelessness but i [TS]

00:25:41   have just become monumentally [TS]

00:25:43   universally okay with the fact that I [TS]

00:25:46   not only can't please everybody [TS]

00:25:48   but if I did try to please everybody i [TS]

00:25:49   would screw up pleasing the people that [TS]

00:25:51   I like and that has become like a huge [TS]

00:25:53   value for me that I think a lot of [TS]

00:25:55   fucking adults need to adopt well you [TS]

00:25:57   know we talked about this the other day [TS]

00:25:58   it in the sense that I think as people [TS]

00:26:01   get further and further away from [TS]

00:26:02   understanding what's going on there [TS]

00:26:06   sense that that perfection is still [TS]

00:26:09   possible in that realm grows you know [TS]

00:26:12   what I mean like it if if I don't [TS]

00:26:15   understand what is wrong with my [TS]

00:26:16   computer [TS]

00:26:17   there's nothing to keep me from thinking [TS]

00:26:18   that my computer can still do everything [TS]

00:26:21   I want yes no and then when when you're [TS]

00:26:23   when you're using a hammer ear can hear [TS]

00:26:27   your your awareness of what the hammer [TS]

00:26:29   is capable of is pretty pretty 121 right [TS]

00:26:33   you don't look at a hammer and think [TS]

00:26:34   this hammer can make stained glass [TS]

00:26:36   windows you look at the hammer you go [TS]

00:26:39   I get it you just pound it just pounds [TS]

00:26:41   things right I can eat a pound nails I [TS]

00:26:43   can pound holes in the wall that's the [TS]

00:26:44   extent of what I can do with this but as [TS]

00:26:47   you as you get more and more confused [TS]

00:26:49   about what the capabilities of a thing [TS]

00:26:51   are there's nothing to there's nothing [TS]

00:26:53   to keep you from thinking that that [TS]

00:26:55   thing is that thing is capable of [TS]

00:26:56   perfection [TS]

00:26:57   that's why we yell at politicians it's [TS]

00:27:00   why we are so mad at that's why we're so [TS]

00:27:02   mad at the world we look around where [TS]

00:27:04   were confused about what the stakes are [TS]

00:27:06   anymore were confused about what what [TS]

00:27:09   banks even do and so in our minds [TS]

00:27:13   well there's no reason why these things [TS]

00:27:15   can't be made perfect and all you know [TS]

00:27:20   essential things fall somebody on [TS]

00:27:22   Atticus l.a at a call center and scream [TS]

00:27:24   at them essentially yelling because of [TS]

00:27:26   lack of perfection in their inability or [TS]

00:27:28   lack of desire to fix it so right [TS]

00:27:31   because I understand a little about the [TS]

00:27:32   process the problem with my iphone is [TS]

00:27:35   not that things are imperfect and this [TS]

00:27:38   little machine is struggling to keep up [TS]

00:27:41   the problem with my iphone is that [TS]

00:27:43   somebody in cupertino is being a dick [TS]

00:27:45   and intentionally programming it to be [TS]

00:27:48   stupid [TS]

00:27:49   as a as a as a project like has a giant [TS]

00:27:53   as like a is like a research project and [TS]

00:27:56   they're filming me be frustrated they're [TS]

00:27:58   filming me with a secret camera in my [TS]

00:28:00   phone be frustrated that it won't work [TS]

00:28:02   because they are Satanists you know and [TS]

00:28:04   I thought I think a lot of people look [TS]

00:28:06   at their their consumer electronics I i [TS]

00:28:09   struggle with this look at their [TS]

00:28:10   consumer electronics as though as though [TS]

00:28:13   the reason it's not working is that is [TS]

00:28:15   some kind of sadistic built-in [TS]

00:28:16   obsolescence rather than that we're at [TS]

00:28:21   the dawn of this age and this stuff is [TS]

00:28:24   just it's just barely able to do what it [TS]

00:28:27   is doing you know it's just barely able [TS]

00:28:30   to get it cannot keep up with our [TS]

00:28:33   imaginations i think i think it does it [TS]

00:28:36   does it better job not to defend [TS]

00:28:37   cupertino but they did actually if you [TS]

00:28:40   had the misfortune to use some non [TS]

00:28:42   cupertino prod products i think you in [TS]

00:28:45   fact would appreciate that they're doing [TS]

00:28:47   a better shit job than all the other [TS]

00:28:49   shit yes no absolutely there you're not [TS]

00:28:51   gonna wake up one morning and find a [TS]

00:28:53   virus on your phone and not in in 1918 I [TS]

00:28:56   wouldn't have wanted to fly in one of [TS]

00:28:58   the off-brand airplanes it's right right [TS]

00:29:02   right brothers with no W but a white [TS]

00:29:06   brothers and that the who thought I [TS]

00:29:08   brother's eye but my brother's that's a [TS]

00:29:13   great name for a gang the I brothers [TS]

00:29:15   yeah [TS]

00:29:15   hello well that'll be that'll be the new [TS]

00:29:19   game changers but i think this is this [TS]

00:29:22   is one of the things that that science [TS]

00:29:23   fiction has done to all of us [TS]

00:29:24   particularly those of us who love [TS]

00:29:26   science fiction science fiction has left [TS]

00:29:29   ahead and and become real in our minds [TS]

00:29:33   so that we are all we all have what we [TS]

00:29:35   think is a pretty good sense of what [TS]

00:29:38   interstellar space travel [TS]

00:29:39   looks like we have a good sense of what [TS]

00:29:42   a you know fusion energy looks like we [TS]

00:29:46   have a good sense of how these [TS]

00:29:48   technologies work and in fact none of [TS]

00:29:52   those technologies exist at all and so [TS]

00:29:55   we live in this world where we sit [TS]

00:29:56   around kind of with a with a constant [TS]

00:29:59   low-level frustration [TS]

00:30:02   like why are we not why are we got in on [TS]

00:30:06   space battleships yet i will but you [TS]

00:30:09   know our imaginations are unless we are [TS]

00:30:11   truly you know that the the truly rare [TS]

00:30:14   kind of very very creative innovative [TS]

00:30:15   person most of our imaginations are [TS]

00:30:17   constrained by what's been possible in [TS]

00:30:19   the past and we tend to think we tend to [TS]

00:30:21   see if you look at any any decades [TS]

00:30:23   version of science fiction or in some [TS]

00:30:25   cases i prefer to call speculative [TS]

00:30:26   fiction you'll see that it's based on [TS]

00:30:28   iterating or making a super version of [TS]

00:30:32   something super dash version of [TS]

00:30:34   something that already exists so in the [TS]

00:30:36   future you know the fifties everything [TS]

00:30:37   looks like televisions in science [TS]

00:30:38   fiction you know everything like rockets [TS]

00:30:40   in the sixties and some Star Trek they [TS]

00:30:42   were all the other the control panel was [TS]

00:30:44   levers everything was like a little [TS]

00:30:46   button [TS]

00:30:46   yeah but you know the thing that I IE [TS]

00:30:49   you've read a lot more science fiction [TS]

00:30:51   speculative fiction i have i'm sure but [TS]

00:30:53   but the thing that I like about the good [TS]

00:30:54   stuff that I've read is that it [TS]

00:30:57   yes on the face of it is about you know [TS]

00:31:00   a future where you have whatever moving [TS]

00:31:01   sidewalks and laser guns and things you [TS]

00:31:03   can plug into your brain but all the [TS]

00:31:05   great ones i'm also the more important [TS]

00:31:09   more salient part of it is these [TS]

00:31:10   somewhat dystopian trade-offs that got [TS]

00:31:13   us there and i'm not just about the [TS]

00:31:15   Soylent Green or whatever [TS]

00:31:16   really it really anything that is not [TS]

00:31:18   too heavy-handed is going to have based [TS]

00:31:21   in some idea that the thing you thought [TS]

00:31:23   was going to turn out great is not only [TS]

00:31:25   not great but really complicated in a [TS]

00:31:28   way that we never could have expected [TS]

00:31:30   press [TS]

00:31:31   well that's it that's why all the the [TS]

00:31:33   narratives and science fiction are all [TS]

00:31:34   500 years old I mean Star Wars is just [TS]

00:31:37   well yeah the unexpected the unexpected [TS]

00:31:41   consequences and you know what when i'm [TS]

00:31:42   in my my my former somewhat former [TS]

00:31:45   racket of trying to help people do you [TS]

00:31:47   know work stuff [TS]

00:31:48   setting aside the fact that you don't [TS]

00:31:50   have enough time to land bed and think [TS]

00:31:51   about Hitler is that I mean I think [TS]

00:31:53   that's actually really important I need [TS]

00:31:55   to have time every day that you just [TS]

00:31:56   don't even have to think about how [TS]

00:31:59   quickly you're gonna get your minivan on [TS]

00:32:00   the 580 it's crucial is it is crucial [TS]

00:32:02   and back could be a whole show because I [TS]

00:32:05   think that's really huge but the there's [TS]

00:32:07   something else to this though that I [TS]

00:32:09   don't know III at the risk of sounding [TS]

00:32:11   like a college sophomore [TS]

00:32:14   first semester there's this other thing [TS]

00:32:17   that happens though in shades in the [TS]

00:32:19   science fiction or I don't know [TS]

00:32:21   sign switching to me is like what Reagan [TS]

00:32:23   stuff wanted to speculative fiction I [TS]

00:32:25   don't that's correct our listener [TS]

00:32:26   Johnson case will be able to tell me if [TS]

00:32:28   I'm anyway even though he's in a fantasy [TS]

00:32:30   he's into like like Gandalf sex vampire [TS]

00:32:33   TV shows yeah [TS]

00:32:34   hello gamble such starting a fantasy [TS]

00:32:37   comics that's pretty good called Sokka [TS]

00:32:38   but I don't want to get into that show [TS]

00:32:40   naked boobs now it's not even made my [TS]

00:32:41   marble the here's to think a ticket [TS]

00:32:45   william sonoma you take your bread [TS]

00:32:46   makers you take Cupertino's there is for [TS]

00:32:49   a lot of people this vision of [TS]

00:32:52   perfection that to anybody from the [TS]

00:32:54   outside you would look at and say well [TS]

00:32:56   that's not really attainable right but [TS]

00:32:58   it's but it's not only not attainable [TS]

00:33:00   once you get into a certain suburban [TS]

00:33:04   treadmill it seems both in very seems [TS]

00:33:08   just slightly out of reach all the time [TS]

00:33:11   right right your bread is just this this [TS]

00:33:15   shy of perfection [TS]

00:33:16   yeah and I the bread maker is a terrific [TS]

00:33:18   idea and to return to the Cupertino [TS]

00:33:20   example let's talk about computers but [TS]

00:33:22   you know I had a I've had an apple to [TS]

00:33:25   for whatever are seeing an ipad 2 for [TS]

00:33:26   companies have an apple do have an apple [TS]

00:33:28   to c2e2 ya know it is i've had to that [TS]

00:33:33   is like perfectly fine it's really great [TS]

00:33:35   so oh my gosh there's rumors [TS]

00:33:37   there's going to be an ipad 3 i'm good [TS]

00:33:39   what size would be how many pieces will [TS]

00:33:41   be can I do this [TS]

00:33:42   what will the aspect ratio i can tell me [TS]

00:33:44   my friends are writing about aspect [TS]

00:33:45   ratio of course I'm saying who fucking [TS]

00:33:47   cares so you know it comes out the ipad [TS]

00:33:49   3 the ipad 3 comes out it is [TS]

00:33:50   ridiculously faster it has a better [TS]

00:33:52   screen that is just on another level [TS]

00:33:55   everybody's so excited they run out and [TS]

00:33:58   buy an ipad 3 so finally perfection has [TS]

00:34:01   been reached and you know what happened [TS]

00:34:02   like in the last month ipad mini plus [TS]

00:34:05   the ipad 40 what ya so now there's an [TS]

00:34:09   ipad that's something like twice as fast [TS]

00:34:12   as the three you're kidding does that [TS]

00:34:14   make our iPad tues no longer its [TS]

00:34:17   absolute it is upsal essence it is made [TS]

00:34:20   you into a puck ask cupertino bitch all [TS]

00:34:24   your money on the electronic Barrelhead [TS]

00:34:27   and now you got your dick in your hand [TS]

00:34:28   and there's a better ipad so suddenly [TS]

00:34:30   something that i'm talking about this [TS]

00:34:32   isn't early March or something you have [TS]

00:34:34   a perfectly fantastic device but now [TS]

00:34:36   you're mad because they made a better [TS]

00:34:39   one [TS]

00:34:39   I'm so Matt on behalf of all those [TS]

00:34:41   people involved breadmakers you got a [TS]

00:34:42   williams-sonoma and you by the SPH 4516 [TS]

00:34:46   and then a few months later they do the [TS]

00:34:48   45 16a and suddenly you're perfection [TS]

00:34:50   has been obsolescence that's so annoying [TS]

00:34:53   it might be my being a college sophomore [TS]

00:34:55   or is that something to avoid well you [TS]

00:34:58   know I try to avoid it at all costs but [TS]

00:34:59   it's not just about computers [TS]

00:35:01   well but but the problem now is that I [TS]

00:35:05   could not just as science fiction cannot [TS]

00:35:07   / to not anticipate the future i could [TS]

00:35:11   not even a year ago let alone for years [TS]

00:35:14   ago have anticipated that and and this [TS]

00:35:20   is a this is an admission that I that I [TS]

00:35:21   hesitate to make I mean I i still am [TS]

00:35:25   grappling with it over but I really [TS]

00:35:27   looked at it the other day and realize [TS]

00:35:30   that I am now spending an average of [TS]

00:35:34   three hours a day looking at Twitter [TS]

00:35:37   looking at my Twitter stream is yours [TS]

00:35:40   nice to horse because I get my news from [TS]

00:35:44   there I get my entertainment from their [TS]

00:35:46   provocations I get all I'm having all my [TS]

00:35:49   fights with with idiots they're like all [TS]

00:35:53   the fights with idiots that I used to [TS]

00:35:54   have to farm out to the world did I send [TS]

00:35:57   them by courier I used to have to go to [TS]

00:35:59   costco I used to have to go to the two [TS]

00:36:01   like a hipster bakery [TS]

00:36:03   I just have to drive all over town to [TS]

00:36:06   get in fights with 10 years it's so [TS]

00:36:08   inconvenient you would have to maintain [TS]

00:36:10   all of those but by automobile [TS]

00:36:12   yeah and now i can sit in a couple more [TS]

00:36:15   here and have fights with almost [TS]

00:36:17   unlimited streaming video people you've [TS]

00:36:19   never met people have never met people I [TS]

00:36:21   I nuttin and i don't mean to call this [TS]

00:36:23   guy because I think he's very smart but [TS]

00:36:24   I have been having a political argument [TS]

00:36:26   with what I think is a Dominican brother [TS]

00:36:29   on twitter now why a dominican monk is [TS]

00:36:34   on Twitter a I don't know but they have [TS]

00:36:37   different rules [TS]

00:36:38   but he is also politically conservative [TS]

00:36:40   which you can imagine because he is a [TS]

00:36:42   devout Catholic but he's also an [TS]

00:36:44   incredibly thoughtful monk is easy [TS]

00:36:49   is he worthy of the standoff he is he is [TS]

00:36:52   he is actually based in San Francisco I [TS]

00:36:54   don't know if he's dominican he could be [TS]

00:36:55   he could be no course I can I don't know [TS]

00:36:58   also I'd what my my it's been a long [TS]

00:37:01   time since I was a judgment school and I [TS]

00:37:03   don't remember all the the the squire [TS]

00:37:05   are key of monks thank you i'll get you [TS]

00:37:09   put out front but I i I'm talking to [TS]

00:37:12   this guy online and he's probably he's [TS]

00:37:14   provoking me at first he's like oh you [TS]

00:37:16   liberals think you're blah and so I go [TS]

00:37:18   look at his I go to computational monk [TS]

00:37:20   yeah I go look at this thing and I'm [TS]

00:37:22   like I follow it to his blog where he's [TS]

00:37:25   writing like economical uh like a good [TS]

00:37:31   pieces on how to interpret certain [TS]

00:37:34   aspects of the john 3 16 when I met Lou [TS]

00:37:38   and the end on and I read his blog and [TS]

00:37:40   I'm like this is a Catholic scholar but [TS]

00:37:43   he's not a Catholic scholar who is who [TS]

00:37:46   is who is a sitting at at Notre Dame [TS]

00:37:49   University trying to get himself a you [TS]

00:37:53   know trying to get himself appointed to [TS]

00:37:55   the to the bench somewhere [TS]

00:37:57   this is a guy who's who's peace peace [TS]

00:38:00   all the way up in season right when it [TS]

00:38:02   like he's there he's not just there to [TS]

00:38:04   climb the ecumenical latter he's there [TS]

00:38:07   because this is something that means a [TS]

00:38:08   lot 20 yeah so I start writing it back [TS]

00:38:10   and I'm like well I mean we got this we [TS]

00:38:12   got that we got to think about this we [TS]

00:38:13   gotta think about that he's like good [TS]

00:38:15   points but what about this and that and [TS]

00:38:16   all of a sudden I'm like arguing with [TS]

00:38:18   this guy not even arguing where we agree [TS]

00:38:20   on most things and & imy and I pull back [TS]

00:38:24   from my phone and I'm like okay you know [TS]

00:38:27   a point to Twitter like I like what am i [TS]

00:38:32   doing it there's no science fiction book [TS]

00:38:34   or film in the world that could make an [TS]

00:38:37   action movie out of this me sitting in a [TS]

00:38:40   chair staring at this little black box [TS]

00:38:42   but really i'm falling into this world [TS]

00:38:45   of interconnected communication with [TS]

00:38:47   people all over the place [TS]

00:38:49   and I don't and so now I find myself [TS]

00:38:52   even though I've spent my whole life [TS]

00:38:54   trying not to ever be a person who needs [TS]

00:38:57   to get an ipad 3 let alone an ipad for [TS]

00:38:59   when his ipad 2 pennies pretty sweet 43 [TS]

00:39:03   friends I had to work just fine [TS]

00:39:06   like I I did not buy a CD player ever [TS]

00:39:10   not even when TV when see when CD [TS]

00:39:12   players came out in the late eighties I [TS]

00:39:14   was like this will never last and I [TS]

00:39:17   maintained that attitude all the way [TS]

00:39:19   through the lifetime of CD players today [TS]

00:39:21   in 1999 i was still like that CD players [TS]

00:39:24   i'm not going to get one of those things [TS]

00:39:25   job and so here but here I am now [TS]

00:39:28   finding myself socially dependent on my [TS]

00:39:33   on my interface machine that gets me [TS]

00:39:36   into this realm [TS]

00:39:38   I'm embarrassed about the time I spent [TS]

00:39:39   on Twitter it because only only [TS]

00:39:41   embarrassed in so much as I feel like if [TS]

00:39:43   anybody asks me to justify it [TS]

00:39:45   I still I still don't have a great you [TS]

00:39:48   are you already knew if you thought [TS]

00:39:49   through that and you don't really have [TS]

00:39:51   an answer proud of right because because [TS]

00:39:55   do i get more out of because so much of [TS]

00:39:57   the so much of my interactions on there [TS]

00:39:59   are are just like it's just transitory [TS]

00:40:02   it's just people going like how here's a [TS]

00:40:04   picture of my part and you go click on [TS]

00:40:06   the picture and it's a picture of empty [TS]

00:40:08   air and you're like ah of course you [TS]

00:40:10   getting through a fart next three Tate [TS]

00:40:12   and you're like oh wow upon pumpkins as [TS]

00:40:16   it took a picture of himself doing [TS]

00:40:17   better earnings take a picture of John [TS]

00:40:21   Hodgman taking a picture other there is [TS]

00:40:23   ok next thing and then somebody's like [TS]

00:40:25   uh-oh they're a bunch of people storming [TS]

00:40:28   our embassy in Syria and then I get [TS]

00:40:30   really into some you know like intense [TS]

00:40:33   kind of politics for an hour where it's [TS]

00:40:35   like all shit's happening in the world [TS]

00:40:36   and then Sarah Silverman's like my boob [TS]

00:40:40   hurts and I'm like aha [TS]

00:40:42   should I comment and I go look and [TS]

00:40:44   theres forty-two people that have [TS]

00:40:45   commented on Sarah Silverman's booby [TS]

00:40:47   rose for you at 43 of them are I'll help [TS]

00:40:51   you with that bog like I'm not going to [TS]

00:40:53   comment on that that's gross and and and [TS]

00:40:55   you're just it's just this constant [TS]

00:40:56   falling down the stairs but every once [TS]

00:41:00   in a while everyone else something [TS]

00:41:02   happens [TS]

00:41:03   as your tumbling down the stairs like [TS]

00:41:04   others they're storming our embassy in [TS]

00:41:05   Syria that's fascinating that we talked [TS]

00:41:07   about like when you know at least when I [TS]

00:41:09   was a kid and down we first got MTV and [TS]

00:41:11   and phenomena of like a stressy want to [TS]

00:41:14   wait and see what the next video and try [TS]

00:41:15   to capture so totally addictive but [TS]

00:41:17   like--imagine imagine that the videos [TS]

00:41:19   were talking back to you or you or you [TS]

00:41:21   or wait you know what i mean that's [TS]

00:41:22   that's what you're experiencing is [TS]

00:41:24   you're right it is is like falling down [TS]

00:41:26   downstairs but first of all so I'm [TS]

00:41:28   dependent on the machine now is this [TS]

00:41:30   iphone and I'm like okay well if there's [TS]

00:41:32   a new one of these iphones that's faster [TS]

00:41:34   that shows Sarah Silverman's boob [TS]

00:41:36   tweeting in higher resolution yes you [TS]

00:41:39   know and it's just like I don't want to [TS]

00:41:41   be that i do not want to have that she's [TS]

00:41:42   really your type [TS]

00:41:43   Sarah yeah she's I mean I get back to [TS]

00:41:46   give a couple three things about her [TS]

00:41:47   that are in your wheelhouse [TS]

00:41:49   yeah she's pretty close but but yeah [TS]

00:41:51   I've not got to be a not to be the John [TS]

00:41:54   Roderick in this episode of rhetoric on [TS]

00:41:56   the line yeah but I met her a couple of [TS]

00:41:58   times [TS]

00:41:58   crazy girl and we have she crazy [TS]

00:42:01   girlfriend material to actually use the [TS]

00:42:03   bathroom in my trailer who and when she [TS]

00:42:06   came out she said don't tell anyone I [TS]

00:42:10   use the bathroom and I said I mean it's [TS]

00:42:13   fine it's it's not shahad thing for her [TS]

00:42:16   persona to say yeah and then she said i [TS]

00:42:18   don't use the bathroom [TS]

00:42:21   you know what I mean and you don't keep [TS]

00:42:24   secrets [TS]

00:42:25   I wonder yeah i'm talking about it on a [TS]

00:42:27   podcast now that was many years ago yeah [TS]

00:42:29   but she was very weird about bathroom [TS]

00:42:33   time people knowing that she ever goes [TS]

00:42:35   to the bathroom that's not ideal in [TS]

00:42:37   front of another minor celebrity that's [TS]

00:42:40   and see what it would seem like was it [TS]

00:42:42   seemed like a window into her soul like [TS]

00:42:45   I don't know if you want I mean crazy [TS]

00:42:47   girlfriend is one thing now and i will i [TS]

00:42:49   will chase it crazy Jewish girl again [TS]

00:42:51   across five continents but [TS]

00:42:54   but not if she has I don't go to the [TS]

00:42:56   bathroom and all that's the second or [TS]

00:42:59   first of all of the billions the [TS]

00:43:01   literally billions of different [TS]

00:43:03   transactions that occurred on the [TS]

00:43:05   internet in the last month your [TS]

00:43:08   exchanges with the Dominican are [TS]

00:43:09   probably in the top point zero zero one [TS]

00:43:12   percent and it was it was in what you [TS]

00:43:14   know what I mean like all you have to do [TS]

00:43:15   go and search they'll we have a plan to [TS]

00:43:17   get drinks by the way me and the monk [TS]

00:43:19   nice ya next time I'm in San Francisco [TS]

00:43:21   we have in what what what do you suppose [TS]

00:43:23   you both have what we're going to court [TS]

00:43:25   arguing written real-time yeah we'll [TS]

00:43:26   probably will probably go to a tea house [TS]

00:43:28   as a tea room is that what it's called [TS]

00:43:31   that was well you're the one that lives [TS]

00:43:33   in San Francisco you tell me where the [TS]

00:43:35   tea rooms are the career it's always a [TS]

00:43:37   great code word up [TS]

00:43:39   but you know he's a himself through he's [TS]

00:43:41   like shut up there's a lot to say your [TS]

00:43:43   cookies for breakfast on feel kind of [TS]

00:43:45   chocolate chip cookies out [TS]

00:43:48   um we're eating butter cookie guy don't [TS]

00:43:51   you [TS]

00:43:51   mmm i'm not wrong cookie guy only a [TS]

00:43:54   quarter of ice cream at night but i'm [TS]

00:43:55   not a big sweeter [TS]

00:43:57   ok I we have an interesting constraint [TS]

00:44:00   in and I can't say it's about saying it [TS]

00:44:03   but we we are still have cause to [TS]

00:44:06   provide information and artwork about [TS]

00:44:10   our program from some people who are [TS]

00:44:12   interested in helping to publicize it [TS]

00:44:15   mhm and right now the single biggest [TS]

00:44:17   constraint which is which is on me is to [TS]

00:44:20   come up with presentable show art that [TS]

00:44:23   they could use in a high-resolution [TS]

00:44:24   environment now why is this a problem [TS]

00:44:25   because the show art for our program [TS]

00:44:28   which i happen to love because it [TS]

00:44:30   doesn't look like the show art for a [TS]

00:44:31   podcast is a photograph of the two of us [TS]

00:44:34   at the ucsf computer store in probably [TS]

00:44:38   2003 or 2,000 for it was the day you [TS]

00:44:41   bought your first mac right with the [TS]

00:44:44   first time actually there's a laptop we [TS]

00:44:46   bought it with my wife said discount if [TS]

00:44:47   memory serves right but here's the [TS]

00:44:49   problem that photo of us [TS]

00:44:52   shot shot a picture of the monitor that [TS]

00:44:54   was taking our picture right it's at the [TS]

00:44:57   largest resolution i have it is your [TS]

00:45:01   phone right i mean you still have a flip [TS]

00:45:03   phone at that point yeah i did is [TS]

00:45:05   probably a little samsung flip phone but [TS]

00:45:07   the truth is that [TS]

00:45:08   podcast art 44 popular podcast [TS]

00:45:11   distribution facilities is 300 by 300 [TS]

00:45:14   pixels I had to stretch it to fit into [TS]

00:45:17   that I had to go ahead to basically [TS]

00:45:19   increase the size of it to read in [TS]

00:45:21   reducing the quality of it because [TS]

00:45:22   that's what that is what a camera on [TS]

00:45:25   your phone was so you have something [TS]

00:45:27   better if they want to put Roderick on [TS]

00:45:29   the line up in one of those LED [TS]

00:45:31   billboard in Times Square [TS]

00:45:33   oh here's a good headed for one of those [TS]

00:45:35   halftone screens i love so much [TS]

00:45:37   but anyway and I want to get in and I I [TS]

00:45:39   don't want to get too far into the into [TS]

00:45:40   the phone thing can you convert two [TS]

00:45:41   paths i can probably convert to pass I i [TS]

00:45:45   might just go with a dither I'm gonna go [TS]

00:45:47   with multiple mcintosh neither should i [TS]

00:45:49   like it [TS]

00:45:50   that was actually great for the [TS]

00:45:51   Charleston caught on that was the last [TS]

00:45:52   great dancer he's at the 20 the [TS]

00:45:54   different about you gotta go when I [TS]

00:45:56   gotta go ahead i got my god i want the [TS]

00:45:58   Macintosh that everybody kick it and I'm [TS]

00:46:01   sure I'm going with this but you know I [TS]

00:46:03   gotta have to come back to one part of [TS]

00:46:04   the science fiction and then I want to [TS]

00:46:05   get back to the suburban thing um is [TS]

00:46:07   that it is it to me yes science fiction [TS]

00:46:10   the least interesting part of science [TS]

00:46:12   fiction to me is the science ii who [TS]

00:46:16   rocket car stuff [TS]

00:46:17   the part that appeals to me that we [TS]

00:46:18   always can write about is that the human [TS]

00:46:22   human nature never really changes right [TS]

00:46:25   and and the part that we never seem to [TS]

00:46:27   get over is that that is the case and [TS]

00:46:29   and why am I telling you this because I [TS]

00:46:31   honestly I think I felt this and I think [TS]

00:46:33   a lot of people feel this every day [TS]

00:46:35   all i need is the whatever the the 45 4 [TS]

00:46:39   445 16b bread maker and I finally be [TS]

00:46:43   where I need to be well you're never [TS]

00:46:44   going to be where you need to be because [TS]

00:46:46   your essential nature is to be keening [TS]

00:46:48   toward the acquisition of something not [TS]

00:46:52   even nominally interesting that you've [TS]

00:46:54   decided something that you really need [TS]

00:46:55   to have and and and I i'm hesitant to [TS]

00:46:59   say that this is a suburban thing [TS]

00:47:00   although i think in the suburbs it is [TS]

00:47:02   worse it certainly is you could be you [TS]

00:47:03   want that beard could be you want to [TS]

00:47:05   curl e pv Portland beard but but but the [TS]

00:47:08   part about and again I haven't read more [TS]

00:47:10   than a half-dozen science-fiction novels [TS]

00:47:12   i've always enjoyed them a lot more than [TS]

00:47:13   I thought I would but that's what I [TS]

00:47:15   always loved about is this idea that [TS]

00:47:17   that the take-home message of all the [TS]

00:47:19   good ones is the human beings are always [TS]

00:47:21   going to be meddling selfish and really [TS]

00:47:26   basically unuseful people who look out [TS]

00:47:29   for themselves more than others and in [TS]

00:47:31   the case of things like comics they will [TS]

00:47:33   always try to turn it into a weapon that [TS]

00:47:35   seems to be a big science fiction thing [TS]

00:47:36   we will always everything cool we get [TS]

00:47:38   like glad to cholla for example the [TS]

00:47:40   Black Panther who is the king of this [TS]

00:47:41   country in africa and one of the most [TS]

00:47:43   powerful of all they have the cure for [TS]

00:47:46   cancer but they like they won't let me [TS]

00:47:48   cast a weaponized it [TS]

00:47:50   no here's the thing they didn't want to [TS]

00:47:52   get with your such that cool give it [TS]

00:47:54   they will not give it to cap or anybody [TS]

00:47:56   else because they know that shield will [TS]

00:47:58   turn into a weapon [TS]

00:47:59   Oh shield I you know I think the [TS]

00:48:03   technology that most people fans turn [TS]

00:48:05   you around i'm gonna fucking turn you [TS]

00:48:06   around on a sick think there are stories [TS]

00:48:09   here that would help you John [TS]

00:48:10   I know but I just I just a our good [TS]

00:48:14   friend Adam permit just brought me that [TS]

00:48:15   are bought me the collected great the [TS]

00:48:18   all the fritz the cat [TS]

00:48:20   cartoons in one volume right those the [TS]

00:48:23   other day that taught me a lot who at [TS]

00:48:27   that cat that's cat having intercourse [TS]

00:48:28   and sweaters what is that [TS]

00:48:29   yeah that's exactly right captain [TS]

00:48:31   sweaters like Fritz the Cat is a pretty [TS]

00:48:34   lean case love the captain sweater twins [TS]

00:48:36   and then let's get some sweater twins [TS]

00:48:39   that's not funny but might I thought it [TS]

00:48:42   was by kidding but most of the female [TS]

00:48:44   cats in Fritz the Cat are chubby cats in [TS]

00:48:48   sweater my car chrome looking [TS]

00:48:50   yes at a big big boobs and big behinds [TS]

00:48:53   and boy I'll tell you that's just talked [TS]

00:48:55   about in my wheelhouse [TS]

00:48:57   yeah always separate you later feel like [TS]

00:48:59   our chrome are crammed into that that's [TS]

00:49:00   a ralph bakshi know who did that our [TS]

00:49:02   crumb coated are chromed it fritz the [TS]

00:49:05   cat [TS]

00:49:05   yeah i mean that and say what you will [TS]

00:49:07   about heart of us i'm sure i thought [TS]

00:49:10   that she did the movie is all about the [TS]

00:49:12   movie a real facts you'd only do that [TS]

00:49:14   when you take your crumbs it fritz the [TS]

00:49:15   cat [TS]

00:49:16   yeah for Arkham different double-check [TS]

00:49:17   that attracts our current that's an R [TS]

00:49:19   crumb joint can't stand corrected [TS]

00:49:21   but i but i think the tech the [TS]

00:49:24   technology that most people when you [TS]

00:49:25   really really get down to it the [TS]

00:49:27   technology that the envy or the Bake [TS]

00:49:29   Oven is the technology of [TS]

00:49:31   leisure time like everyone when they [TS]

00:49:33   really imagine what they would do you [TS]

00:49:37   know what their what they really want [TS]

00:49:38   people maintain this like I want to move [TS]

00:49:42   out to the country and you know and turn [TS]

00:49:46   off all my electronic devices and listen [TS]

00:49:48   to the wind whistles through the trees [TS]

00:49:50   I i still think that that is a powerful [TS]

00:49:52   fantasy from for most people I and I [TS]

00:49:58   feel that partly because it feels [TS]

00:49:59   completely out of reach [TS]

00:50:00   because it feels completely out of reach [TS]

00:50:02   that's right and because it seems like [TS]

00:50:04   the only way that you could achieve that [TS]

00:50:05   is by it is through earning money it's [TS]

00:50:09   the it's the it's the the old thing that [TS]

00:50:11   you hear it up what im so many college [TS]

00:50:14   campuses on graduation day where people [TS]

00:50:17   say i want to do good things for the [TS]

00:50:20   world i wanted i wanted to devote myself [TS]

00:50:22   to helping other people but what I need [TS]

00:50:24   to do right now is make a lot of money [TS]

00:50:25   first and then I can be a liberal and [TS]

00:50:29   then I can help people and a special war [TS]

00:50:31   chest after I after I go for 10 years [TS]

00:50:34   and work in banks and just look at how [TS]

00:50:37   many times it happens every day [TS]

00:50:39   it's only for so many people who make [TS]

00:50:42   620,000 dollars a year on Wall Street [TS]

00:50:44   and then then give it up in their early [TS]

00:50:45   thirties to become environmental [TS]

00:50:48   scientists well that settles that [TS]

00:50:50   yeah it's a very common experience but [TS]

00:50:53   that but that whole dream of like I mean [TS]

00:50:55   I know a lot of people and and I feel [TS]

00:50:56   like the power of that dream may be [TS]

00:50:58   waning because I hear about it less and [TS]

00:51:00   less now people are people are talking [TS]

00:51:02   about achieving that state I think [TS]

00:51:06   people are conscious Adams when I said [TS]

00:51:08   people i mean you know like our our [TS]

00:51:11   world our realm people are more aware [TS]

00:51:15   now that they have to continue to work [TS]

00:51:17   in order to feel valid that nobody has [TS]

00:51:23   this like let's go down to Florida and [TS]

00:51:24   sit in a rocking chair for the last 40 [TS]

00:51:26   years of our life dream that our [TS]

00:51:28   grandparents had but this idea that [TS]

00:51:31   you're going to have a ranch in Montana [TS]

00:51:32   with five dogs you're going to get up [TS]

00:51:35   every morning and walk through the [TS]

00:51:37   fields with your put the top your hand [TS]

00:51:39   just barely grazing [TS]

00:51:41   the wheat like like Russell Crowe in his [TS]

00:51:45   death scene in Gladiator and enya is [TS]

00:51:49   playing in the background and you're [TS]

00:51:51   just walking with the dogs chasing [TS]

00:51:52   behind you just just brushing the wheat [TS]

00:51:55   I can't do that well it's great it's [TS]

00:51:57   wonderful and that the thing that I [TS]

00:51:58   always say to people who talk about that [TS]

00:52:00   fantasy to me is montana is really cheap [TS]

00:52:02   to live you can go do that now [TS]

00:52:04   yeah absolutely right well um one thing [TS]

00:52:07   with the students today and I this is [TS]

00:52:09   just my own anecdotal guessing about one [TS]

00:52:11   reason that's gotten harder to be honest [TS]

00:52:13   is the cost of going to college and the [TS]

00:52:15   subsequent student loans miii don't know [TS]

00:52:17   this is accurate i listen to just enough [TS]

00:52:19   public radio to be dangerous but i'm [TS]

00:52:21   pretty sure most people when they finish [TS]

00:52:23   college today have a pretty big tab [TS]

00:52:25   definitely a bigger tab then the average [TS]

00:52:28   graduate when you and I came out of [TS]

00:52:30   school I think that's true and it in and [TS]

00:52:32   it begs the question i met a person the [TS]

00:52:36   other day at the max funcom event you [TS]

00:52:41   may have heard of this is next week on [TS]

00:52:43   East this is max one con east Jesse [TS]

00:52:45   thorn production i met a person there [TS]

00:52:48   who is a young person who I elected not [TS]

00:52:53   to go to college in order to become a [TS]

00:52:56   comedian and this person a smart person [TS]

00:53:03   smart young person and I'm listening to [TS]

00:53:07   this story and I'm thinking what a [TS]

00:53:09   radical idea like smart middle-class [TS]

00:53:13   young person just didn't even consider [TS]

00:53:16   going to college because college was [TS]

00:53:20   superfluous to their desires like they [TS]

00:53:24   wanted to be an entertainer of some kind [TS]

00:53:27   comedian or a writer and the idea that [TS]

00:53:31   idea would not have occurred to me at 18 [TS]

00:53:35   years old I couldn't get into a college [TS]

00:53:38   when i was 18 because of my because my [TS]

00:53:42   overall grades were FF d + f a [TS]

00:53:47   a newspaper but but the idea of the idea [TS]

00:53:55   of going into adult life without first [TS]

00:53:57   passing through the lens of college was [TS]

00:54:01   inconceivable [TS]

00:54:02   it's okay was it would certainly feel [TS]

00:54:05   extremely risky risky and just like you [TS]

00:54:08   are you're basically going you're [TS]

00:54:09   walking out into the world with a giant [TS]

00:54:11   red L for loser on your on your jacket [TS]

00:54:15   and now just as you're saying you come [TS]

00:54:22   out of college with a degree in [TS]

00:54:23   sociology and you are hundred and twenty [TS]

00:54:25   thousand dollars in debt that was not a [TS]

00:54:27   very smart move on your parks to go to [TS]

00:54:30   college and get a degree in sociology it [TS]

00:54:33   just wasn't i think a lot more people [TS]

00:54:36   who who are at that point in their lives [TS]

00:54:39   are going to start just saying there's [TS]

00:54:42   nothing there's nothing that i'm going [TS]

00:54:44   to learn in college that I don't already [TS]

00:54:45   have access to on the internet and I'm [TS]

00:54:48   gonna just go find my way through life [TS]

00:54:50   on my own [TS]

00:54:52   um I really do feel that colleges are [TS]

00:54:55   colleges are pricing themselves out of [TS]

00:54:59   you know like into irrelevance and we [TS]

00:55:02   are going to look back at this era from [TS]

00:55:05   50 years in the future and say oh yeah [TS]

00:55:08   that was the moment that colleges became [TS]

00:55:10   a pic the college's completely lost its [TS]

00:55:18   gotta be close their game yes really [TS]

00:55:20   it's got to be close [TS]

00:55:21   yeah there's there's another thing [TS]

00:55:23   though on when I was thinking about my [TS]

00:55:26   former former racket as the the [TS]

00:55:28   self-help guy you were great at that but [TS]

00:55:32   thank you very much that's something i [TS]

00:55:33   have it took me awhile to figure this [TS]

00:55:35   out but it is this because I've had [TS]

00:55:38   coffee and everything that seems related [TS]

00:55:39   this does also shade into the [TS]

00:55:41   speculative fiction stuff which is that [TS]

00:55:43   um things evolve at different rates and [TS]

00:55:47   so for example today on the the rate at [TS]

00:55:51   which technology becomes faster more [TS]

00:55:55   ubiquitous less expensive and more [TS]

00:55:57   widely adopted the pace of that change [TS]

00:56:00   is not being matched by an evolution in [TS]

00:56:04   a wide broad you know a contiguous in [TS]

00:56:09   agreed evolution in terms of how we use [TS]

00:56:11   all that stuff so for example a lot of [TS]

00:56:14   this kids coming out of college right [TS]

00:56:15   now think emails for old people [TS]

00:56:17   now you know what I mean they they just [TS]

00:56:20   don't send emails there are a lot of my [TS]

00:56:21   god i said to somebody the other day [TS]

00:56:23   they were they were texting me or [TS]

00:56:25   something and I said let's take this [TS]

00:56:26   conversation to email and they said oh [TS]

00:56:29   classic style and i didn't i didn't get [TS]

00:56:32   the I didn't get the joke [TS]

00:56:34   oh my god that was so cool let's laugh [TS]

00:56:37   let's let's have a beer at the masonic [TS]

00:56:40   temple you know I think they were dming [TS]

00:56:42   me or something on Twitter and I was [TS]

00:56:43   like listen I don't want to have this [TS]

00:56:44   conversation over DMI here's my email [TS]

00:56:46   address and they're like oh yeah some [TS]

00:56:48   classic style I mean I I you know this [TS]

00:56:50   is part of this is that I'm uh I'm a [TS]

00:56:52   willful loner about a lot of the things [TS]

00:56:56   i don't have a presence on Facebook [TS]

00:56:57   without water [TS]

00:56:59   I don't everything I ever get from evite [TS]

00:57:02   goes into the spam filter mostly I I get [TS]

00:57:05   such frustrated things from people think [TS]

00:57:09   this is a fairly common thing nowadays [TS]

00:57:10   of like you didn't you didn't respond to [TS]

00:57:12   my my thing and i was like i'm sorry i'm [TS]

00:57:15   not very good emailing notice on emails [TS]

00:57:17   on facebook or or you know what i mean [TS]

00:57:19   and the natural assumption is that a i'm [TS]

00:57:21   on facebook be i'm following their [TS]

00:57:23   facebook and a/c i use that to determine [TS]

00:57:25   how I'm going to spend my night it been [TS]

00:57:28   like that you know and and i said this [TS]

00:57:30   before but like telling people I'm not [TS]

00:57:32   on Facebook you know I don't go out of [TS]

00:57:34   my way to say that I'm not like I don't [TS]

00:57:35   have a TV guy just it's not a part of my [TS]

00:57:37   life I might as well tell them i worship [TS]

00:57:39   goats with the mountain people that it [TS]

00:57:42   sounds to my family it's so bananas and [TS]

00:57:44   then I get a thing for my kids school [TS]

00:57:45   like oh we put up the photos from this [TS]

00:57:47   event in this google plus group and like [TS]

00:57:49   my own my heart sinks and it's like so I [TS]

00:57:52   mean I guess what I'm saying is that you [TS]

00:57:54   know with a new instagram now haha you [TS]

00:57:59   know what I like my photos to look like [TS]

00:58:01   photos [TS]

00:58:02   look at the picture clouds that's handy [TS]

00:58:05   oh absolutely any more than i should be [TS]

00:58:08   good [TS]

00:58:09   I go onto facebook about once a week [TS]

00:58:10   just to see what's going to party your [TS]

00:58:12   profession and and I I went over there [TS]

00:58:14   the other day and someone had left a [TS]

00:58:16   message on my eye on my in my inbox on [TS]

00:58:19   your wall [TS]

00:58:20   no not on my wall out of your facebook [TS]

00:58:21   yeah a DM that was incredibly time [TS]

00:58:26   sensitive like like I you need to reply [TS]

00:58:30   to that you need to respond to this in [TS]

00:58:31   the next 30 minutes that thing and and I [TS]

00:58:35   was like who do you take me for [TS]

00:58:38   I do not but its assumptions say about [TS]

00:58:42   another person and that way i don't know [TS]

00:58:43   what's strange is that the person that [TS]

00:58:45   left this message has my phone number [TS]

00:58:47   and my email address but that day that [TS]

00:58:51   they sent this to me on facebook like [TS]

00:58:53   you mean it's also a case of like [TS]

00:58:55   they're using the medium that they did [TS]

00:58:57   not think for one it with all due [TS]

00:58:58   respect to your very good friend you i'm [TS]

00:58:59   not sure what it is but but that person [TS]

00:59:02   jesse eisenberg they did not take half a [TS]

00:59:05   second to stop and think about a is this [TS]

00:59:08   really important and if it is important [TS]

00:59:10   well then why don't I do a little bit of [TS]

00:59:12   the heavy lifting to reach this person [TS]

00:59:15   in the place where that will be most [TS]

00:59:16   cogent for them to receive an urgent [TS]

00:59:18   message that could be fun could be [TS]

00:59:19   whatever but you know what no it's all [TS]

00:59:21   about their convenience and now back to [TS]

00:59:23   the acceptance but now it's your fault [TS]

00:59:24   you're the dick in there Matt well yeah [TS]

00:59:27   it may have even been like this [TS]

00:59:29   psychological that this is this person [TS]

00:59:32   was trying to spur what the message was [TS]

00:59:35   was she has 18 year old daughter this [TS]

00:59:37   friend of mine for sale daughter for [TS]

00:59:39   sale and she'll hundred she wanted me to [TS]

00:59:41   have first crack at it was very first [TS]

00:59:43   right of refusal to call crystal nice [TS]

00:59:45   when you get this expert talk about [TS]

00:59:48   liking that Natalie with the kilt rate [TS]

00:59:49   yeah [TS]

00:59:50   kristallnacht the little girl wanted to [TS]

00:59:53   go to a rock show by a band called my [TS]

00:59:56   seventh heaven or my diminished returner [TS]

00:59:56   seventh heaven or my diminished returner [TS]

01:00:00   haha i don't know what the band is [TS]

01:00:03   called and some kind of lapierre Goffe [TS]

01:00:06   emo band stand her her mom wanted to [TS]

01:00:10   take her to this show but it turned out [TS]

01:00:12   the show was sold out and so she was [TS]

01:00:14   writing me saying can you get me into [TS]

01:00:16   this show and this is a girl that I know [TS]

01:00:19   this is a UH a woman i know well and I [TS]

01:00:21   knew her daughter when she was young and [TS]

01:00:23   now the daughter is 18 and this alone is [TS]

01:00:26   a surprising fact and she wanted me to [TS]

01:00:28   get them into this show and it was like [TS]

01:00:30   it was like the show started in [TS]

01:00:32   half-an-hour something but i but I [TS]

01:00:36   suspect she might have sent send it to [TS]

01:00:37   me on facebook as a kind of like her [TS]

01:00:41   daughter was sitting there and this was [TS]

01:00:42   her due diligence like hey can you get [TS]

01:00:45   us into the show [TS]

01:00:45   oh he didn't reply a lice we should be [TS]

01:00:49   matching this is another layer to it [TS]

01:00:51   that's good yeah um earlier about [TS]

01:00:54   anymore earlier when you were talking [TS]

01:00:56   about europe i looked at my my tumblr [TS]

01:00:58   page and I I wasn't even aware the best [TS]

01:01:01   existed until fairly recently but I [TS]

01:01:03   haven't [TS]

01:01:03   apparently I have an inbox on tumblr [TS]

01:01:05   that I didn't know about [TS]

01:01:07   yes apparently people can this is not a [TS]

01:01:09   bad thing in itself but apparently [TS]

01:01:11   people can send me the equivalent of i [TS]

01:01:13   guess like a DM i can email you can send [TS]

01:01:15   things called fan mail if you want if [TS]

01:01:17   you if you choose to do so and i do not [TS]

01:01:19   you can ask me anything in these kinds [TS]

01:01:21   of things I don't think you can poke you [TS]

01:01:23   can poke them if you talk about a flying [TS]

01:01:25   at the mason hall but if you got on but [TS]

01:01:27   i'm sitting here now and understand i [TS]

01:01:29   didn't I kind of got that this existed [TS]

01:01:32   somewhere but now in the redesign tumblr [TS]

01:01:34   has added on their beautiful blue page a [TS]

01:01:36   bright red rectangle that says 20 plus [TS]

01:01:41   20 plus messages on tumblr that's right [TS]

01:01:44   this is 20 plus and so now I never asked [TS]

01:01:48   to have that turn no disrespect anybody [TS]

01:01:50   was kind enough to send me a message but [TS]

01:01:51   now every every every place that can at [TS]

01:01:55   this point will create some kind of an [TS]

01:01:58   area that you have to check to not be a [TS]

01:01:59   dick [TS]

01:02:01   and that's to me is not that's not [TS]

01:02:04   tenable and applause messages waiting [TS]

01:02:06   for you Merlin there will always be 20 [TS]

01:02:08   plus and the thing is if i click it and [TS]

01:02:09   this is a value for me John Roderick if [TS]

01:02:11   I go in there and i'll go answer every [TS]

01:02:13   one of those while that's setting aside [TS]

01:02:14   all the things that I haven't answered [TS]

01:02:16   in all these other places you know an [TS]

01:02:18   email that i get from ryan and i don't [TS]

01:02:20   mean I'm not complaining about you [TS]

01:02:21   people i'm complaining about the the [TS]

01:02:24   number of affordances for trying to [TS]

01:02:27   communicate with me that I never asked [TS]

01:02:29   for and i say this because when you know [TS]

01:02:31   and understand that the the reason that [TS]

01:02:33   the facebook request might have been [TS]

01:02:34   tendered but this is this is a little [TS]

01:02:36   bit like saying there's an urgent note [TS]

01:02:38   note that i sent you why didn't you get [TS]

01:02:40   I said where is it you said I put it in [TS]

01:02:41   the lecture and the left shoe of your [TS]

01:02:43   white box up but why are you checking [TS]

01:02:46   your box you'll get it in the spring but [TS]

01:02:48   you see I'm saying like that to me and I [TS]

01:02:50   know again I'm an old guy don't know [TS]

01:02:51   these things but i have no idea how or [TS]

01:02:53   why anybody would want to keep up even [TS]

01:02:56   if you have a lower volume of people [TS]

01:02:58   interested in communicating with you I [TS]

01:02:59   can understand why any time you choose [TS]

01:03:01   to have something on your attention [TS]

01:03:04   radar screen it should have to come with [TS]

01:03:06   a thing you have to check are you have [TS]

01:03:08   you checked in as the mayor of the local [TS]

01:03:11   dim sum place there now I haven't are [TS]

01:03:14   you the mayor having the other games [TS]

01:03:15   hypnotized fingernails because of the [TS]

01:03:18   amount of century-old dirt under their [TS]

01:03:20   money and pork ya if you have you [TS]

01:03:23   recently watched big trouble in little [TS]

01:03:25   china know that Kim Cattrall yes Kurt [TS]

01:03:29   Kurt Russell yes this is something you [TS]

01:03:31   recommend i never seen it you've never [TS]

01:03:33   seen Big Trouble in Little China I've [TS]

01:03:35   never seen but groupons I well I haven't [TS]

01:03:36   either [TS]

01:03:37   okay i'm gonna get them in so much [TS]

01:03:39   trouble right now because there was some [TS]

01:03:40   added with i was part of some quiz show [TS]

01:03:44   not very long ago and one of the [TS]

01:03:45   questions was buckaroo banzai oriented [TS]

01:03:48   and I fake my way through it I was like [TS]

01:03:50   is john galt haha eww our past your [TS]

01:03:54   passing i did i tried to pass as a [TS]

01:03:56   buckaroo but because here's the thing [TS]

01:03:58   about buckaroo banzai for someone my age [TS]

01:04:00   group on oil and you're my age you [TS]

01:04:04   understand this buckaroo banzai was [TS]

01:04:06   advertised to me as as something on the [TS]

01:04:10   level of Fletch [TS]

01:04:12   oh I think it's some people's [TS]

01:04:14   a money python junior it's a heavy [TS]

01:04:16   source it would be like my not princess [TS]

01:04:19   bride necessarily spinal tap maybe like [TS]

01:04:21   spider-man understand how you cannot [TS]

01:04:22   understand my references to the princess [TS]

01:04:24   bride and spinal tap the two most [TS]

01:04:25   quotable movies of all time [TS]

01:04:27   laughter from The Godfather but I [TS]

01:04:28   started to watch i started to watch [TS]

01:04:31   buckaroo banzai sort of the first time [TS]

01:04:35   it appeared out of the theater so it [TS]

01:04:37   would have been either on VHS tape or [TS]

01:04:40   whatever laserdisc the first time it [TS]

01:04:42   appeared on cable or something like that [TS]

01:04:43   I tried to watch it and I was like I [TS]

01:04:45   don't think about this is interesting [TS]

01:04:47   appeal to me and I tried this yet this [TS]

01:04:48   bailed out of it in the first trial [TS]

01:04:50   drive for me [TS]

01:04:51   yeah it was dry that's exactly right but [TS]

01:04:54   anyway so I so I fake my way through [TS]

01:04:55   this buckaroo banzai thing in the in the [TS]

01:04:58   quiz show but now I've been outed oh I'm [TS]

01:05:01   busted [TS]

01:05:02   now know how do you how do you respond [TS]

01:05:04   to that now are you going to trouble in [TS]

01:05:05   little china my friend [TS]

01:05:07   first of all Kim control when she was [TS]

01:05:10   hot [TS]

01:05:11   yeah hot yeah but also didn't say I [TS]

01:05:14   think she gets tied up in that movie she [TS]

01:05:16   does many times but it's also it's also [TS]

01:05:18   a San Francisco movie going to catch all [TS]

01:05:21   of those it will help you understand the [TS]

01:05:23   guy at the dim sum place i travel [TS]

01:05:25   because of the little china food here's [TS]

01:05:29   the other thing you can get the debt and [TS]

01:05:31   then and then the other problem is not [TS]

01:05:33   the problem but here's what I'm saying [TS]

01:05:35   it went in nineteen let's say you're [TS]

01:05:37   Benjamin Benjamin Braddock let's say [TS]

01:05:39   it's nineteen sixty four five six seven [TS]

01:05:41   eight nine you get out of college and it [TS]

01:05:43   was you when you decided to join the [TS]

01:05:46   Peace Corps or when you decided to move [TS]

01:05:49   to haight ashbury or when you decided to [TS]

01:05:51   just disappear into helping this little [TS]

01:05:53   village you know in in Southeast Asia [TS]

01:05:55   without any Facebook page that was you [TS]

01:05:58   were making a statement you're in the [TS]

01:06:00   CIA if you did that in 1966 that right [TS]

01:06:03   nobody went to Southeast Asian to help a [TS]

01:06:04   little village you think they've [TS]

01:06:06   included a lot of hippies [TS]

01:06:07   oh well they recruited a lot of [TS]

01:06:09   ivy-league hippies huh [TS]

01:06:11   the CIA was never interested in these [TS]

01:06:12   people that didn't go to one of the four [TS]

01:06:15   colleges but but when you did that you [TS]

01:06:17   are doing more than trying to help [TS]

01:06:19   somebody [TS]

01:06:20   you were certainly probably trying to [TS]

01:06:21   produce your reputation Gilmore tail but [TS]

01:06:23   you are making a statement about society [TS]

01:06:25   we're saying i am opting out of this [TS]

01:06:27   plastic society that we don't know about [TS]

01:06:29   now to go through this thing now today I [TS]

01:06:32   think you could be just as high and [TS]

01:06:34   mighty by buying cfl bulbs so on the one [TS]

01:06:36   hand you've got the debt you go by the [TS]

01:06:38   CFL bulbs you're spending less money so [TS]

01:06:41   you can pay down the debt and on the [TS]

01:06:42   other hand you get to be a giant dick [TS]

01:06:44   about how your bread machine is green or [TS]

01:06:45   whatever and I i think that is it that I [TS]

01:06:48   think that is a real thing I think that [TS]

01:06:49   is I think that is a big difference from [TS]

01:06:51   even 20 years ago when we were when i [TS]

01:06:54   was 20 years ago i graduated from [TS]

01:06:56   college [TS]

01:06:57   well it is that I think that's right and [TS]

01:06:58   i think it is that the that the plastic [TS]

01:07:00   society has become the plastic society [TS]

01:07:04   was always a thing that you could be [TS]

01:07:06   outside and I don't sense any more that [TS]

01:07:10   it is a thing you can be outside you [TS]

01:07:12   know it was only what you're in 1999 [TS]

01:07:16   right i walked from amsterdam to [TS]

01:07:18   Istanbul and I had no camera i had no [TS]

01:07:22   certainly no phone [TS]

01:07:24   perhaps they're decent man but i but i [TS]

01:07:27   but i was still communicating with home [TS]

01:07:29   even though it was even though it had [TS]

01:07:31   transitioned to email i still was only [TS]

01:07:35   able to communicate with home when i [TS]

01:07:37   arrived in a town i would check into a [TS]

01:07:40   hotel or or or you know or find a place [TS]

01:07:43   to stay and then wander the town asking [TS]

01:07:47   people i met on the street [TS]

01:07:49   do you know of a place that has internet [TS]

01:07:51   and eventually i would i would talk to [TS]

01:07:54   somebody and they would point and i [TS]

01:07:56   would wander up an alley and there'd be [TS]

01:07:58   a there be a place that had computers [TS]

01:08:00   and I would go in and spend 15 minutes [TS]

01:08:02   you know Popeye and write this is my [TS]

01:08:07   other things in 1999 1999 the year i got [TS]

01:08:10   my first mobile phone and I and I had no [TS]

01:08:13   no I mobile phones were still three or [TS]

01:08:16   four years in my future who and I would [TS]

01:08:18   sit then and I would tap out an email [TS]

01:08:20   and send it and then log off because i [TS]

01:08:25   knew i wasn't going to get a reply to [TS]

01:08:26   that email until the following day and [TS]

01:08:30   if I and then i would wake up in the [TS]

01:08:31   morning at this hotel and I would go [TS]

01:08:32   down to the same internet cafe where by [TS]

01:08:35   that point i'd be on that like fist bump [TS]

01:08:37   level with the guys that were [TS]

01:08:39   bring it and I would login same process [TS]

01:08:42   you know you're paying by the minute and [TS]

01:08:44   then maybe that'd be a reply waiting for [TS]

01:08:47   me and this was 12 years ago or so so [TS]

01:08:50   now if i was walking from amsterdam to [TS]

01:08:55   stamp cool i would have I would be [TS]

01:08:58   posting pictures right and tweeting [TS]

01:09:00   about it every hour and there will be [TS]

01:09:03   thousands of people following my [TS]

01:09:05   progress and that would that would not [TS]

01:09:07   be incidental to the trip you know what [TS]

01:09:09   I mean I try to mirror the sum sum not [TS]

01:09:12   in the Balkans yeah yeah I would be I'd [TS]

01:09:14   be mayor of the of the Vulcan mountains [TS]

01:09:16   but but a but that it would got the [TS]

01:09:20   mayor of the Vulcan mountains [TS]

01:09:23   either they're actually fulfill k dick [TS]

01:09:25   now haha it would that the thing is that [TS]

01:09:30   it would not it would not just be that I [TS]

01:09:32   was that I was doing the same trip and I [TS]

01:09:35   would just be documenting it that that [TS]

01:09:38   posting about it would become central to [TS]

01:09:41   the trip [TS]

01:09:42   absolutely absolutely would become [TS]

01:09:43   almost almost like companion because you [TS]

01:09:45   start looking for things to photograph [TS]

01:09:46   you start looking for experiences to [TS]

01:09:48   facebook and you might start looking for [TS]

01:09:49   things that you could be the mayor of [TS]

01:09:51   well and people would be communicating [TS]

01:09:52   with me and saying oh my god you have to [TS]

01:09:54   go to this castle but I want to on my on [TS]

01:09:57   my year abroad [TS]

01:09:58   it's only a two-day walk from where you [TS]

01:10:00   drugged her my stir this Holocaust [TS]

01:10:01   Memorial and and so the trip and the [TS]

01:10:05   social networking would be inextricable [TS]

01:10:06   from one another right and the entire [TS]

01:10:08   time i would be gone but I would also [TS]

01:10:11   feel like I was not gone and and and in [TS]

01:10:14   1999 when i did this i was completely [TS]

01:10:16   gone there were multiple multiple days [TS]

01:10:19   where if I had fallen into a hole [TS]

01:10:21   Wow there would be no way anybody could [TS]

01:10:25   ever have traced to where i had [TS]

01:10:28   disappeared [TS]

01:10:29   you know the but the last time anyone [TS]

01:10:31   heard from him he was in this town and [TS]

01:10:34   it was four days until i was in the next [TS]

01:10:37   town and in that for daytime i could [TS]

01:10:39   have just gone away forever and I was in [TS]

01:10:42   places where that was that was [TS]

01:10:43   absolutely possible [TS]

01:10:44   did you think about that when you're [TS]

01:10:45   walking across these long stretches that [TS]

01:10:47   the day that i introduced you to google [TS]

01:10:48   maps east [TS]

01:10:49   better i think an entire night zooming [TS]

01:10:52   in on tiny pieces of Romania trying to [TS]

01:10:56   find one specific spot that I think is [TS]

01:10:57   it's kind of important thing in your [TS]

01:10:58   book to write it as 1 spot where [TS]

01:11:00   something really big happen and you were [TS]

01:11:02   coming over that ground that ground [TS]

01:11:04   there was not a lot of places free for [TS]

01:11:06   you to check ins right [TS]

01:11:07   oh no that was a place where I would [TS]

01:11:11   have been I would have been a animal [TS]

01:11:14   food and it wasn't it's not that it was [TS]

01:11:16   one place it was that I crossed a across [TS]

01:11:18   the mountain range where it was just [TS]

01:11:21   when I was just completely I was not [TS]

01:11:25   even on a trip i wasn't gonna go trail i [TS]

01:11:27   was just fighting my way through the [TS]

01:11:29   forest and and that whole kind of two [TS]

01:11:33   day period was a time where even a [TS]

01:11:36   sprained ankle would have been [TS]

01:11:39   life-threatening that didn't freak you [TS]

01:11:41   out at the time [TS]

01:11:42   fucking freak me out oh my god imagine I [TS]

01:11:46   was that broken ass backpack that's why [TS]

01:11:48   when you showed me that when you showed [TS]

01:11:50   me google maps I was like oh my god [TS]

01:11:51   because my google earth right yeah this [TS]

01:11:53   was a place where there were no Maps [TS]

01:11:55   even even the Romanian maps just add it [TS]

01:12:00   as a big black area and it no sewer lids [TS]

01:12:03   there knows there are no sewers and when [TS]

01:12:05   I met people there they were just that [TS]

01:12:08   this was the part of the country where I [TS]

01:12:10   would meet people and they would and it [TS]

01:12:14   would be inconceivable to them that I [TS]

01:12:15   didn't speak Romanian but that I did [TS]

01:12:17   speak a language like they understood i [TS]

01:12:22   guess that there were other languages [TS]

01:12:23   but that that not speaking Romanian [TS]

01:12:26   meant that I was either stupid or [TS]

01:12:28   illiterate but I did have I did seem to [TS]

01:12:30   have words and I didn't seem stupid so [TS]

01:12:32   what's this about [TS]

01:12:33   they like that far off what we would [TS]

01:12:35   consider the grid list off the grid [TS]

01:12:37   Jesus and so but in any in any case the [TS]

01:12:43   idea of doing a thing like that now I [TS]

01:12:47   don't think I think [TS]

01:12:50   some much I mean not that not that there [TS]

01:12:52   was a huge group of people 12 years ago [TS]

01:12:54   who were walking from amsterdam to [TS]

01:12:56   Istanbul but the number of people who [TS]

01:12:57   would do it now I probably still the [TS]

01:13:01   same number of people but but fully [TS]

01:13:03   seventy percent of even that small cast [TS]

01:13:06   of people would be thinking about how [TS]

01:13:09   they would document it how they would [TS]

01:13:11   tweet it how they would instagram it you [TS]

01:13:14   know the number of people it who would [TS]

01:13:17   do it with no technology on board as [TS]

01:13:21   shrunk to statistical irrelevance and I [TS]

01:13:25   and I'm not sure anymore at it isn't [TS]

01:13:29   even a question of there being any [TS]

01:13:31   unexplored places in on the globe so [TS]

01:13:34   much as it is that we no longer want to [TS]

01:13:39   explore places in silence we no longer [TS]

01:13:45   want to be potentially that dr. that [TS]

01:13:48   sense of documentation that's always [TS]

01:13:50   been around if you want if i'm just [TS]

01:13:52   guessing if you fill is ok if it was in [TS]

01:13:55   the early fifties and you want a chance [TS]

01:13:58   to go backstage at the martin lewis TV [TS]

01:14:01   show you sure as shit bring a camera and [TS]

01:14:03   get a photo right if you are if you were [TS]

01:14:05   if you were a volunteer for and sand [TS]

01:14:08   dominican monk and you got the chance to [TS]

01:14:11   work on Kennedy's campaign and got a [TS]

01:14:12   chance to meet him you get a photo and [TS]

01:14:14   autograph right i don't know you know my [TS]

01:14:16   friend autumn wild who is a rock and [TS]

01:14:19   roll photographer she tells this kind of [TS]

01:14:22   famous story about the first time she [TS]

01:14:25   photographed elliott smith and she went [TS]

01:14:29   back years later after he died to look [TS]

01:14:31   at you know to find that first roll of [TS]

01:14:33   film that she shot of Elliot the first [TS]

01:14:36   time they met [TS]

01:14:37   and you know this is a role of 24 [TS]

01:14:40   exposures or something and she said she [TS]

01:14:43   had three or four pictures of elliott [TS]

01:14:45   and then a picture of her cat and a [TS]

01:14:49   picture of a sunset and you know this [TS]

01:14:54   was 24 exposures but when she when she [TS]

01:14:57   took a few pictures of Elliot she didn't [TS]

01:14:59   want to waste the film because a roll of [TS]

01:15:04   film was valuable so she got you know [TS]

01:15:06   she got three or four exposures right [TS]

01:15:08   but then she needed to save that film [TS]

01:15:10   because you know it basically that 24 [TS]

01:15:13   exposures represented that month of her [TS]

01:15:15   life and it was pictures from all kind [TS]

01:15:18   of all different places she went all [TS]

01:15:19   aspects and she was looking at it and [TS]

01:15:21   thinking to herself was I crazy [TS]

01:15:23   why didn't I just take 24 Whole pictures [TS]

01:15:28   of elliott smith like this was i was [TS]

01:15:29   telling how i used to think it was early [TS]

01:15:32   on in his in his years and the these [TS]

01:15:34   pictures now those early pictures of [TS]

01:15:36   Elliot are like some of her some of the [TS]

01:15:38   things that she treasures the most and [TS]

01:15:40   she she's trying to get inside of her [TS]

01:15:42   mind and think why didn't I just blow a [TS]

01:15:45   whole roll on this dude you know but she [TS]

01:15:48   just you know she just took a couple of [TS]

01:15:49   pictures and then had to save that film [TS]

01:15:51   so I mean you know when I think about my [TS]

01:15:54   own life there are no pictures of me [TS]

01:15:56   Merlin between the ages of 17 and 22 [TS]

01:15:59   really aren't part of like King County [TS]

01:16:03   Sheriff [TS]

01:16:03   that's yeah right or like I mean I think [TS]

01:16:05   people like Gonzaga probably have them [TS]

01:16:07   pictures that were taken at parties and [TS]

01:16:09   like i'm in i'm walking through the room [TS]

01:16:11   or something like that but but no I [TS]

01:16:14   don't like that picture lincoln at the [TS]

01:16:16   gettysburg address again early zoom-in [TS]

01:16:18   gotta get a blurry like in the distance [TS]

01:16:20   and somebody's likewise i see that said [TS]

01:16:22   bi curious guy but like no no pictures [TS]

01:16:25   of me ever hopping a freight train of [TS]

01:16:27   you know Rangers be on a train like none [TS]

01:16:29   of those things were documented because [TS]

01:16:31   I mean I certainly there were people [TS]

01:16:33   then who were taking pic who are taking [TS]

01:16:35   me remember those girls in college that [TS]

01:16:37   had 25 photo albums of parties and was [TS]

01:16:41   always photos of three girls smiling and [TS]

01:16:43   holding a drink up to the camera like [TS]

01:16:45   lucky there's always that like four [TS]

01:16:46   fraternity and sorority section of your [TS]

01:16:48   college paper it's just lots of pictures [TS]

01:16:50   of white people at a party [TS]

01:16:52   yeah with red eyeballs but there were a [TS]

01:16:55   lot of us then who were not who did not [TS]

01:16:58   think of ourselves as photographers and [TS]

01:16:59   my instinct was not to document my [TS]

01:17:02   instinct was to do and that instinct i [TS]

01:17:06   preserved that instinct until not very [TS]

01:17:08   long ago [TS]

01:17:09   you know I was thinking there was a [TS]

01:17:12   there there are so many people in my [TS]

01:17:15   life where I had a profound experience [TS]

01:17:19   with them on the side of the road [TS]

01:17:21   somewhere where you know I arrived like [TS]

01:17:25   I was a really picky eater my whole life [TS]

01:17:27   and I and my picky eating up there was [TS]

01:17:32   there was a pivotal moment where I [TS]

01:17:33   stopped being a picky eater and it was [TS]

01:17:36   at a little restaurant in Innsbruck [TS]

01:17:40   Austria and it was the middle of the [TS]

01:17:44   night and houses the lady who had you in [TS]

01:17:46   ya likelihoods Australian and and had a [TS]

01:17:50   you know and and and serve me asparagus [TS]

01:17:52   for the first time and this woman and [TS]

01:17:57   her little restaurant are they are like [TS]

01:18:00   a their flag planted in my imagination [TS]

01:18:04   and when my daughter is old enough to [TS]

01:18:08   hear that story she's going to hear it [TS]

01:18:10   she's going to hear it a thousand times [TS]

01:18:11   probably and when I'm 85 years old and [TS]

01:18:15   sitting in a rocking chair and somebody [TS]

01:18:17   goes would you like some asparagus i'm [TS]

01:18:20   going to say funny story [TS]

01:18:21   you know I never used to have Americans [TS]

01:18:23   until 1 i'm forever [TS]

01:18:26   now if i had documented that restaurant [TS]

01:18:31   here your asparagus with one bite out of [TS]

01:18:35   it nom-nom-nom-nom if I had checked into [TS]

01:18:39   that restaurant or if I had blogged [TS]

01:18:41   about it at the time and written it down [TS]

01:18:43   and and and yelped it [TS]

01:18:46   yeah then that restaurant would not be a [TS]

01:18:49   flag in my imagination in the same way [TS]

01:18:52   it would be a place that I you know that [TS]

01:18:54   I could that I would have pictures of or [TS]

01:18:57   that might still exist [TS]

01:18:59   that I might have tried to go back to at [TS]

01:19:02   some point when I know but but instead [TS]

01:19:04   that experience happened happened in my [TS]

01:19:08   memory in a way where my my memories are [TS]

01:19:11   like are like fairy tales or nursery [TS]

01:19:15   rhymes like that version of innsbruck [TS]

01:19:17   austria exists in my mind as something [TS]

01:19:21   out of snow white and the seven dwarfs [TS]

01:19:23   and i have no I have no scrap book about [TS]

01:19:28   it and I don't want one [TS]

01:19:29   yeah and like if you had that today and [TS]

01:19:31   looked at it you might in assembly look [TS]

01:19:34   at any old photo you would notice you [TS]

01:19:35   might notice funny things like a look at [TS]

01:19:37   that old time magazine like my one of my [TS]

01:19:39   favorite photos of my mom and dad the [TS]

01:19:41   first thing i love the fact that they're [TS]

01:19:43   hugging it's great like moment and I [TS]

01:19:45   always notice how it's an old so very [TS]

01:19:48   very old can of coke from making 72 [TS]

01:19:51   that's the first thing I always notice [TS]

01:19:52   is the coconut [TS]

01:19:53   yeah i mean traditional photo but it but [TS]

01:19:56   like the fifth the photograph and the [TS]

01:19:58   act of photographing got to be fucking [TS]

01:20:00   you know Susan Sontag or whatever but [TS]

01:20:01   like somebody was a woman but by but [TS]

01:20:04   that this changes the whole experience [TS]

01:20:06   it changes but but there's more than [TS]

01:20:09   just right now look at a picture this [TS]

01:20:10   woman and she'd have white power tattoos [TS]

01:20:12   on her knuckles that I didn't notice at [TS]

01:20:13   the time [TS]

01:20:15   advice is pop I need my fingers [TS]

01:20:22   um here's a here's the other thing [TS]

01:20:25   that's really funny that like I i have a [TS]

01:20:27   pastime hobby in san francisco which is [TS]

01:20:29   finding look noticing tourists who are [TS]

01:20:36   taking photos of themselves and their [TS]

01:20:38   friends and it's a thing I do I'm not [TS]

01:20:40   advocating that i will all I do this all [TS]

01:20:42   the time I walk up and I say hey which [TS]

01:20:44   would you like me to take a photo of you [TS]

01:20:45   and I'd be happy to take the photo for [TS]

01:20:47   you and in almost invariably oh my god [TS]

01:20:49   yes thank you you do that that's very [TS]

01:20:51   generous of you i'll tell you what i do [TS]

01:20:52   i'll tell you what i do first of all I i [TS]

01:20:55   say well right now their crotch seam I [TS]

01:20:58   doing this anyway [TS]

01:20:59   well now looking at this camera and [TS]

01:21:01   shoot cameras getting there [TS]

01:21:03   no no I i do several things because part [TS]

01:21:05   of my job is to educate as well first of [TS]

01:21:07   all right now you're what's called [TS]

01:21:09   backlit you got the Sun behind so what [TS]

01:21:11   do we do it this way let's get this [TS]

01:21:12   solid background behind you if you want [TS]

01:21:14   one of you with the golden great Kate [TS]

01:21:16   bridge in the background while different [TS]

01:21:18   this angle and i'll show you [TS]

01:21:18   art-directed idealized director because [TS]

01:21:20   I know how many shitty pictures people [TS]

01:21:22   everything but the only important thing [TS]

01:21:23   that I do I never take fewer than three [TS]

01:21:27   photographs of this model because I when [TS]

01:21:30   I was you know coming around trying to [TS]

01:21:32   become a better photographer few years [TS]

01:21:33   ago before I got sick of carrying a [TS]

01:21:35   five-pound camera with me everywhere I [TS]

01:21:37   learned that if you take six photographs [TS]

01:21:40   of the same thing they're well first of [TS]

01:21:43   all there will be at least two or three [TS]

01:21:44   that are markedly different and there's [TS]

01:21:46   very likely be one that is an order of [TS]

01:21:48   magnitude better than the others for no [TS]

01:21:50   reason that an amateur like myself could [TS]

01:21:52   identify read so there's a couple funny [TS]

01:21:55   things funny thing one [TS]

01:21:56   it's amazing yeah you'll see people who [TS]

01:21:58   take 50 photographs of the same blurry [TS]

01:22:00   20-year old man playing guitar on stage [TS]

01:22:01   that's not useful to anybody you see the [TS]

01:22:04   post these stupid fucking videos on [TS]

01:22:06   YouTube that are of no use to me try and [TS]

01:22:07   find a good built to spill live video [TS]

01:22:09   here's what they all sound like every [TS]

01:22:13   life the last oil don't know this bill [TS]

01:22:15   sounds like you're driving guy think [TS]

01:22:16   he's got better finger work than that [TS]

01:22:18   but too funny things one is that yes [TS]

01:22:20   people still for an important event will [TS]

01:22:22   take this one photo and then jump [TS]

01:22:23   straight into putting on Facebook or [TS]

01:22:25   whatever but you know what the other [TS]

01:22:26   thing is this [TS]

01:22:27   is just an admission because i have a [TS]

01:22:29   guilty conscience about having been [TS]

01:22:31   somebody who would like try to get [TS]

01:22:32   myself photograph with famous people [TS]

01:22:33   like I wish there were more photos of us [TS]

01:22:36   five dudes hanging out when i was in [TS]

01:22:38   Seattle but felt like like I would feel [TS]

01:22:40   like kind of a dick to go let's do this [TS]

01:22:42   you know the photo we got of the five of [TS]

01:22:44   us sitting together was not us [TS]

01:22:45   it was Chad Chad the one that took a [TS]

01:22:47   photo of the five of us in our tuxedos [TS]

01:22:49   in around backstage we should have a [TS]

01:22:51   whole bunch we should have shot we [TS]

01:22:52   should have had somebody professional [TS]

01:22:53   come in and take really cool pictures of [TS]

01:22:56   us that we could use for stuff you're [TS]

01:22:58   right but we didn't because on the other [TS]

01:22:59   hand on the one hand like now I'm a [TS]

01:23:01   little bit gun-shy think about the way i [TS]

01:23:03   was in that booth we got interviewed not [TS]

01:23:06   have you noticed this but short of being [TS]

01:23:08   unprofessional [TS]

01:23:09   I did everything I could to stay out of [TS]

01:23:11   the camera I stayed right over the edge [TS]

01:23:12   talking your PR friend because i did not [TS]

01:23:15   i don't want to be part of the [TS]

01:23:17   photograph everything culture it's not [TS]

01:23:19   privacy it's not anything but now like [TS]

01:23:21   that it's funny that with the ubiquity [TS]

01:23:23   of those devices [TS]

01:23:24   I'm a little gun-shy now about just [TS]

01:23:26   taking pictures of people for fun [TS]

01:23:28   whereas we used to like it as precious [TS]

01:23:30   as those were on the one hand that lady [TS]

01:23:32   has some wonderful photos evaluate Smith [TS]

01:23:35   and of her cat but like why would you [TS]

01:23:37   take five rolls because it was expensive [TS]

01:23:39   now today nobody has the thought to take [TS]

01:23:41   5 photos of their bachelorette party [TS]

01:23:44   together that are good look at them in [TS]

01:23:47   the camera don't just chip and take a [TS]

01:23:49   photo in the mid air like take a good [TS]

01:23:50   photo like a gentleman [TS]

01:23:52   it's just it's another one of these [TS]

01:23:53   things where I think the the culture has [TS]

01:23:56   not caught up with the technology and [TS]

01:23:58   the parts of the culture that do catch [TS]

01:23:59   up with the technology are sometimes a [TS]

01:24:01   little bit paradoxical or contradictory [TS]

01:24:04   well the library of congress is [TS]

01:24:06   archiving all of our tweets and thank [TS]

01:24:09   God and presumably presumably I mean [TS]

01:24:13   everybody everybody assumes i don't and [TS]

01:24:16   I don't think this is necessarily true [TS]

01:24:17   but everybody assumes that all of our [TS]

01:24:19   flickr photos and all of everything is [TS]

01:24:22   archived forever but we are creating [TS]

01:24:25   we're creating a tale of frozen [TS]

01:24:30   experiences that no one will ever sift [TS]

01:24:34   through how could you how could you [TS]

01:24:36   possibly sift through [TS]

01:24:38   the billion photographs of three rides [TS]

01:24:42   is the photos of my kids first year [TS]

01:24:44   there's just too many in different [TS]

01:24:46   places i'm paranoid about losing them [TS]

01:24:48   but I have you know since then i take [TS]

01:24:50   two photos a year but I've got but you [TS]

01:24:52   know I'm saying just from the first year [TS]

01:24:53   at that everybody doesn't notice every [TS]

01:24:55   photograph that exists of my [TS]

01:24:58   grandmother's entire life I own in a [TS]

01:25:00   shoebox when you know every single 1i [TS]

01:25:03   can i can and i can tell you everyone of [TS]

01:25:06   them every single photo of my dad I have [TS]

01:25:10   unless there are you know there are some [TS]

01:25:12   in other people's photo albums floating [TS]

01:25:14   around and those people's kids don't [TS]

01:25:17   know who my dad is and when they're [TS]

01:25:19   going through their parents old photo [TS]

01:25:20   albums they're throwing those pictures [TS]

01:25:21   away just as I throwaway pictures of [TS]

01:25:24   people in my dad's photos I'm like who [TS]

01:25:27   is this some some guy that worked on the [TS]

01:25:29   pipeline that my dad took his picture in [TS]

01:25:30   1972 like don't need it and and there's [TS]

01:25:35   something about that calling that is [TS]

01:25:37   very important to me it's why every time [TS]

01:25:41   I open up my iphoto as i'm looking [TS]

01:25:44   through photos i am just deleting right [TS]

01:25:47   uh not not not deleting i'm just going [TS]

01:25:49   through and like I don't need that one [TS]

01:25:50   anymore I don't need that I don't need [TS]

01:25:51   that just as a way of trying to trying [TS]

01:25:55   to order it with some kind of semblance [TS]

01:25:56   of you know if autumn the wild was [TS]

01:26:00   taking that role of photographs of [TS]

01:26:01   Elizabeth today she would have 700 [TS]

01:26:03   pictures and i'm not sure if the [TS]

01:26:06   additional 695 pictures we need or at [TS]

01:26:10   least those five that she took our our [TS]

01:26:14   treasures even the one that's a little [TS]

01:26:15   out of focus and I mean I honestly I [TS]

01:26:19   honestly can't say we are old you and I [TS]

01:26:23   wait while we yes we start like my eyes [TS]

01:26:26   and hear my ears ring my eyes ring i [TS]

01:26:28   just got a new i just got a new brand or [TS]

01:26:31   generic adderall and so I wanted to go [TS]

01:26:33   to use this till identifier site you can [TS]

01:26:36   go to to find out what any pillows and [TS]

01:26:38   it's really cool you going you should [TS]

01:26:40   try as well what you got you go in there [TS]

01:26:41   and bills [TS]

01:26:42   okay good for you to try this with your [TS]

01:26:44   coffee beans and you go up there and and [TS]

01:26:48   you just enter in whatever letters are [TS]

01:26:49   on it [TS]

01:26:50   and it very magically shows you what you [TS]

01:26:52   got what does that tell you about your [TS]

01:26:54   over-the-counter cheap at all I should [TS]

01:26:56   let you talk more and down that's what [TS]

01:26:59   it said was right there it is made by [TS]

01:27:01   anyway but I I John it was so fucking [TS]

01:27:05   funny i'm sitting here in the admittedly [TS]

01:27:07   somewhat dim and comfortable golden [TS]

01:27:10   light of my office that I keep a certain [TS]

01:27:12   way and it would i I've never looked [TS]

01:27:15   more like an old man in my life because [TS]

01:27:16   i'm doing that thing where I used to be [TS]

01:27:18   you hold it a certain place and you can [TS]

01:27:20   see it so then I'm doing this Frank [TS]

01:27:22   Benjamin Franklin a score like a lot [TS]

01:27:25   like one hook thing is i would hook that [TS]

01:27:27   like really microscope guy doing looking [TS]

01:27:29   over the top of your glasses [TS]

01:27:30   I'm pulling it the arm's length and then [TS]

01:27:33   pulling it up close [TS]

01:27:34   ok I get ours and now I'm putting it [TS]

01:27:37   next to the damn ikea like and I'm like [TS]

01:27:39   fuck fuck i designed i go into my the [TS]

01:27:42   bathroom where i have 4 23 watt which is [TS]

01:27:46   like you know which is hippie 400-watt [TS]

01:27:48   giant light bulbs in my bathroom because [TS]

01:27:50   i like a lot well at bathroom I go in [TS]

01:27:52   there and I have to turn the lights on [TS]

01:27:53   and stand so that i can see the subtle [TS]

01:27:55   shadow this is this is this is why any [TS]

01:27:58   glasses but I add it's awful i can't see [TS]

01:28:00   in the dark anymore either you need a [TS]

01:28:02   magnifying glass you need a big this [TS]

01:28:03   lock homestyle magnifly grandpa doing [TS]

01:28:05   the crossword [TS]

01:28:06   yeah what does that say that now here's [TS]

01:28:09   a question for you with all your view [TS]

01:28:10   all of your secret internet drug [TS]

01:28:12   connections yeah [TS]

01:28:13   ketamine set that 4k holding Academy is [TS]

01:28:17   like an animal tranquilizer and kind of [TS]

01:28:19   a pcp trying to get to that but somebody [TS]

01:28:21   said somebody sent me a thing on online [TS]

01:28:23   that was a link to an article in the [TS]

01:28:26   yale medical journal but said small [TS]

01:28:29   doses of ketamine who are a are like [TS]

01:28:34   have been found to be an instantaneous [TS]

01:28:36   cure for depression who take this [TS]

01:28:39   ketamine and within within 45 minutes [TS]

01:28:42   like your brain is only biblical rewired [TS]

01:28:46   itself now it doesn't last and only last [TS]

01:28:48   a few days or seven days or something [TS]

01:28:50   like that but I would be very interested [TS]

01:28:52   in trying this enemy is on the list [TS]

01:28:56   schedule 1 there's actually scheduled [TS]

01:28:58   three in the US that's not too bad [TS]

01:29:00   economy is on the list of of [TS]

01:29:03   those drugs you know like a like a [TS]

01:29:06   paracord monkey monkey adrenal glands [TS]

01:29:08   and stuff that i never got around to [TS]

01:29:10   taking during the drug years huh i don't [TS]

01:29:13   i will say that there are things that [TS]

01:29:15   one is not supposed to have that can be [TS]

01:29:18   acquired anything i have discovered in [TS]

01:29:21   the past before i got and someday i will [TS]

01:29:23   tell you what I have to go through to [TS]

01:29:25   get a prescription filled each month it [TS]

01:29:27   is fucking medieval what I have to go [TS]

01:29:29   through its ridiculous because the thing [TS]

01:29:31   is I the stuff that I take for my stuff [TS]

01:29:33   is feed so i have to go and get a [TS]

01:29:36   physical prescription i have to insert [TS]

01:29:38   which means I've got to go drive across [TS]

01:29:40   town pay for parking go in pick up a [TS]

01:29:42   piece of paper go back pay for my [TS]

01:29:44   parking leave go somewhere and drop out [TS]

01:29:46   after you that every 30 days you can't [TS]

01:29:49   just do it online on I want to do every [TS]

01:29:51   30 days on the dot [TS]

01:29:52   otherwise I run out you get you know 30 [TS]

01:29:54   days worth this guy follow on twitter [TS]

01:29:56   Daniel Shannon I'm not going to shannon [TS]

01:29:58   yeah he's been talking about the fact [TS]

01:30:00   that he ran out of adderall because the [TS]

01:30:03   pharmacy was closed because of the [TS]

01:30:05   hurricane katrina and he's been sitting [TS]

01:30:08   on a on a toadstool or whatever in his [TS]

01:30:12   apartment for the last four days with [TS]

01:30:15   none of his meds and and just falling [TS]

01:30:19   deeper and deeper into some kind of [TS]

01:30:21   crazy hole and just wait [TS]

01:30:22   he's waiting for this he's waiting for [TS]

01:30:24   this pharmacy to open on monday morning [TS]

01:30:26   or something he's gonna have to put on [TS]

01:30:28   snowshoes to get only thing like Chicago [TS]

01:30:32   right now he's in New York they are okay [TS]

01:30:34   but as soon as it well i have to tell [TS]

01:30:37   you there's not even snow on the ground [TS]

01:30:37   he just has to put on snowshoes because [TS]

01:30:39   that's what his brain is telling him [TS]

01:30:40   that's why he needs the medication yeah [TS]

01:30:42   i'm being a homosexual men on total sale [TS]

01:30:44   they like to have their snowshoes [TS]

01:30:45   he's a riot by the way down to find one [TS]

01:30:48   well first of all I take less than I am [TS]

01:30:50   then I and prescribed it's always a good [TS]

01:30:53   yeah because I mean it's in and I am [TS]

01:30:54   have gotten full light [TS]

01:30:56   well I shouldn't say this but you know [TS]

01:30:58   I've got was a carp lunch with but [TS]

01:31:00   within reason I should take the amount [TS]

01:31:02   that makes me feel good and doesn't give [TS]

01:31:04   any side effects and sometimes for me [TS]

01:31:05   that's less than happy so I'm fortunate [TS]

01:31:07   that I've got a little bit of wiggle [TS]

01:31:08   room [TS]

01:31:09   I'll tell you tell me you've ever known [TS]

01:31:11   people that take i was to sleep one that [TS]

01:31:14   everybody takes ambien ambien maybe ever [TS]

01:31:18   known an ambien person you mean one who [TS]

01:31:20   gets up in the middle of the night and [TS]

01:31:21   has like group sex and then doesn't [TS]

01:31:23   remember it [TS]

01:31:23   no I had I had I had one of those all [TS]

01:31:27   let me tell you bout that one sometime i [TS]

01:31:28   had the one that was on this american [TS]

01:31:30   life that makes people can have [TS]

01:31:31   intercourse I had a prescription for [TS]

01:31:32   that one really did you shop on the [TS]

01:31:35   internet and have intercourse and Gamble [TS]

01:31:36   and then not remember it i can't [TS]

01:31:39   remember how you know if you laughter [TS]

01:31:43   would have lvm haha i have to be so that [TS]

01:31:46   it was better than I didn't have no fuck [TS]

01:31:51   you [TS]

01:31:51   I've known some ambient people i have an [TS]

01:31:54   ambien user in my family for whom he or [TS]

01:31:58   she the new just say the idea so I mean [TS]

01:32:01   you had intoxicants that you use on a [TS]

01:32:06   regular basis in the past [TS]

01:32:08   yes yes have you ever had the feeling of [TS]

01:32:11   oh my gosh i need to get more of this [TS]

01:32:14   yes ok well just the very prospect of [TS]

01:32:18   his or her prescription running out [TS]

01:32:20   this is fucking ridiculous when she's [TS]

01:32:22   very close to running out she loses it [TS]

01:32:24   if she thinks that you know I'm saying [TS]

01:32:26   like she's using a different state and [TS]

01:32:28   there's a confusion with the [TS]

01:32:29   prescription she goes normally but very [TS]

01:32:33   same person she goes like offered night [TS]

01:32:35   at the prospect of it not abstractly not [TS]

01:32:38   being she still got some but when you're [TS]

01:32:40   capable horde I mean you got always have [TS]

01:32:42   us you'll always have a up like a start [TS]

01:32:45   stockpiling like swords and military [TS]

01:32:47   hats [TS]

01:32:48   ya like like sore on sitting and not [TS]

01:32:51   sore on smog like smoke sitting on his [TS]

01:32:53   still hand that his name not that smog [TS]

01:32:56   Smaug the dragon sitting on his horde of [TS]

01:32:58   dwarvish goal i am star wars today I'm [TS]

01:33:03   at hand but i believe a catalog [TS]

01:33:06   yeah but you know it's it's it's it's [TS]

01:33:09   hard when you when you when you take the [TS]

01:33:10   drugs and you get I'll tell you though [TS]

01:33:12   there's other many other things that [TS]

01:33:13   I've taken for various other things that [TS]

01:33:15   i'd much rather be not out of then this [TS]

01:33:19   stuff like like oh my gosh you know with [TS]

01:33:21   the soul [TS]

01:33:22   you run out of soda water you got the [TS]

01:33:23   means makes me so crazy I do and I I [TS]

01:33:27   stack up you know is on because Maya [TS]

01:33:29   downstairs my my basement problem i was [TS]

01:33:32   on steroids for a while i was on [TS]

01:33:33   prednisone and you've got to taper that [TS]

01:33:36   off because like if you're if you run [TS]

01:33:39   out of that you are making fucked [TS]

01:33:41   why what happened because your body [TS]

01:33:42   while basically it's been assigned as [TS]

01:33:45   you know i'm i'm not a steroidal a [TS]

01:33:47   physician but my understanding is that [TS]

01:33:49   it is heavily and steroid it like it [TS]

01:33:52   gives you lots of extra steroid activity [TS]

01:33:55   but that also causes your body to [TS]

01:33:58   produce much less naturally and i'm [TS]

01:34:00   given to believe this is true for many [TS]

01:34:02   different kinds of drugs and so if you [TS]

01:34:03   don't take the shit out of a steroid [TS]

01:34:05   like you're going to be in a really bad [TS]

01:34:07   way [TS]

01:34:08   oh yeah that I don't really even I guess [TS]

01:34:10   know what steroids do I don't either [TS]

01:34:12   because they make it bulky to get your [TS]

01:34:15   moon facing the moon-faced your [TS]

01:34:17   suspicions the Jerry Lewis Williams [TS]

01:34:18   moon-faced yeah I have well you know all [TS]

01:34:21   half the people in Wales moon phase is [TS]

01:34:22   that is that a natural a natural thing [TS]

01:34:24   of the drinking or the poetry what [TS]

01:34:25   causes that I think it's yeah it's like [TS]

01:34:27   a gumbo thing drinking country isn't it [TS]

01:34:30   wells yeah I think they drink their from [TS]

01:34:33   i'm pretty sure they do a drink to [TS]

01:34:34   forget to drink to remember other celts [TS]

01:34:37   drinks they drink just to they just [TS]

01:34:41   drink to get by [TS]

01:34:42   yeah they came to get down [TS]

01:34:45   we came to get down oh so you gotta get [TS]

01:34:48   up your seat and jump around jump around [TS]

01:34:50   that's right pop quiz the matrix bill [TS]

01:34:53   and ted's excellent adventure into a [TS]

01:34:54   certain extent glengarry glen ross what [TS]

01:34:58   they have in common [TS]

01:34:59   Oh Johnny I think I'll read it again the [TS]

01:35:04   matrix [TS]

01:35:05   yeah bill and ted's excellent adventure [TS]

01:35:07   yeah and glengarry glen ross first we'll [TS]

01:35:09   have you seen all three movies [TS]

01:35:11   yes excellent dude most excellent us all [TS]

01:35:14   three rely very heavily on pay phones [TS]

01:35:16   and the matrix is to use a payphone to [TS]

01:35:20   to do that little travel daily right [TS]

01:35:23   right right Dylan has excellent [TS]

01:35:25   adventure they travel in a phone booth [TS]

01:35:26   to go three times and glengarry glen [TS]

01:35:29   ross some of the most poignant moments [TS]

01:35:30   happen when Jack Clemons on a payphone [TS]

01:35:32   right is upsetting the side dialing from [TS]

01:35:35   i'm setting aside all of the various [TS]

01:35:37   seventies cop shows that depended out [TS]

01:35:39   fucking dirty harry you couldn't have [TS]

01:35:41   dirty harry the 30 hurry [TS]

01:35:42   Megaforce they're here they're here you [TS]

01:35:44   can have without pay phones are so many [TS]

01:35:46   stories that when you watch the movie [TS]

01:35:48   now if you showed these to a kid today [TS]

01:35:50   they'll be like why they just you know [TS]

01:35:52   that Roger even tried reaching Cisco's [TS]

01:35:54   rule that like you know no movie no [TS]

01:35:57   movie should ever involved and easily [TS]

01:35:59   overcome misunderstanding [TS]

01:36:01   like that's a French play not a good [TS]

01:36:03   news haha i don't understand you're not [TS]

01:36:04   really having sex i did I kill you [TS]

01:36:08   what was that one not very long ago with [TS]

01:36:10   the Colin Farrell where he was trapped [TS]

01:36:12   in a phone booth and there was a sniper [TS]

01:36:15   oh it was called the phone booth with [TS]

01:36:17   the boots yeah that wasn't that long ago [TS]

01:36:18   right with the matrix I mean to me the [TS]

01:36:21   matrix is part of the modern age matrix [TS]

01:36:23   like it's like Rushmore it's from that [TS]

01:36:25   period when you know but they have to [TS]

01:36:27   get to a phone booth [TS]

01:36:29   yeah I gotta get to this one foot within [TS]

01:36:30   the phone rings that the-the-the got the [TS]

01:36:32   glasses and he anyway [TS]

01:36:35   Wow should p anything else you you doing [TS]

01:36:39   ok I'm doing fine you know our I thought [TS]

01:36:42   that was a really good episode but but [TS]

01:36:44   uh we we we didn't we didn't find [TS]

01:36:46   exactly know I'll find a dinner there's [TS]

01:36:48   a there's a digit dinner in there was in [TS]

01:36:50   the middle of something that I can cut [TS]

01:36:51   it off [TS]

01:36:51   I gotta pee really really bad yeah I [TS]

01:36:53   gotta poo okay okay good okay well I'll [TS]

01:36:56   talk to you soon okay you're the best [TS]

01:36:57   move you too buddy [TS]

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