Roderick on the Line

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00:00:05 ◼   ► hello hi John Merlin has gone good i [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► just have some mouth noises to make here [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► not for the top of the set [TS]

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00:00:19 ◼   ► it's the season it's the mouth noise [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► yeah he took a lot of water [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► I i do you know when I was when I was [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► young I couldn't stand water [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► me neither hated it yeah hated it and [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► then somehow somewhere along the line I [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► got I got to my sister and my sister in [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► particular is a real water sort of [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► pusher and and somewhere along the line [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► I got I got a taste for it and now I I [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► probably drink a half gallon of it just [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► just every time I walk past the sink I'm [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► i choked up big glass water food and [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► i've been i love it i can get enough of [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► that's pretty much exactly my experience [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► I i wonder if part of it [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► two things one of my palate developed [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► from just wanting a 12 pack of coke a [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► day on and the other thing is they go [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► wow that's what you're really out of [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► tear [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► yeah go ahead go ahead I'm listening [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► let's see I think it's that I had other [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► anyway missed just because a mic [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► placement what about what about [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► lip-smacking know here's a cover sheet [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► get an sm57 on that red leather chair [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► i'll put up on mature my get in the do [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► chris wallace get a room mic with a [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► trigger so you get that kind of David [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Bowie low thing when it's a real when [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► it's real dinger archers both make [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► noises continue mine [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► well I'm a very have you ever seen the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► photograph of my chair i'm not sure i [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► read all the magazines even remember it [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► really really remember [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► yeah let's get the cat is it stained [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► it's hard to tell but at a certain point [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► it's like to get out like the industrial [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► carpeting you have in parts of a bar [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► where it becomes one kind of contiguous [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► stained like one hypnotic stain yeah [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yeah so the high-traffic areas of your [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► chair are sort of more stain the low [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► chap driving Eric yeah yeah I used as a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► blue mechanics paper towels share the [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► surf so kind of fell apart at a certain [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► point and I fixed it with the I made my [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► own plywood it's not homemade Flyway [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► yeah i took some unique I think you do [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► that well I didn't either until I did it [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► but I i drilled a hole where the where [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the thing had broken where the dowel had [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► broken so I drilled a larger hole and [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► then I took a bunch of wood chips at [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► that you don't like match sticks and [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► stuff and I'm i crunch them all up and [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► then I i poured a bunch of glue on that [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► and i made a kind of matchstick and glue [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► amount them and then I i put it into the [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► hole let it dry it's so much more [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► accomplished than you give yourself [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► credit for [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► then I drill the old a new hole through [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► the glue and through the fake plywood [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► and then the chairs good as new [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► I'll tell you what you made my friend [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► you have made our casino particleboard [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► alright yeah that's what it is a [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► particle particle board on my sense is [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► based on a conversation we had your [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► mom's house a few weeks ago that you are [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► not a fan of why I'm gonna get you like [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► plywood for certain things but don't you [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► have a certain respect for a nice long [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► piece of continuous contiguous [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► old-growth wood [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► mm my sense was that you had you have a [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► serious respect for the pores in your [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► mother's house [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► solid wood longwood would well we [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► haven't had like 20 minutes on this [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► yeah i've got all these all these [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► abominations in your neighborhood made [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► of short short pointless would and that [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► you had continuous planks and yes this [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► is this is you know this is a component [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► of what this is a theme that you and I [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► touched on a lot which is the be tearing [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► down of a hundred-year-old thing made [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► out of perfect old-growth lumber to [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► replace it with something made out of [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► off-gassing particle board and then [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► posting a sign in the front saying all [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► green construction man its new green [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► condos and all the polymers have [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► insurance you and nothing about nothing [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► about it is green tearing the tearing [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► the perfectly good house down was not [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► green and manufacturing all the all the [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► chemical products that this house is [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► constructed of was but that wasn't green [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► and then building this new house wasn't [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► green there's nothing great about it [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► except that they installed an efficient [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► furnace in the new building or some [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► other they being are they put put [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► photovoltaic panels on the roof and then [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► it's in and people people walk through [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► life well i bought this really green [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► condo and it's a gym no idea what was [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► there and what we have lost as a people [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► what we have lost in terms of our [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► patrimony these houses that were you [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► know if you look at if you tear down [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► tear the inside walls out of my mom's [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► house which I have done these [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► two-by-fours are 28 feet long and [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► there's not a knot hole in them there's [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► not even a Knothole there there from [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► trees that stood that they cut the trees [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► but they built my mom's house out of [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► they cut them down from three blocks [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► away and carted them there by horse and [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► milled them on on a sawmill you know [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► presumably powered by about probably [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► Mexicans know there are no mexicans here [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► then it was probably the Chinese it was [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► putting well now there were Chinese but [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► no but i think it was either powered by [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► horse or by would but by the by the [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► branches by of branches [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► more green and looking for it's all [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► right there everything you need is right [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► yeah and to tear it down i personally [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► think is a crime against all humanity [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► and then to build a thing you know a lot [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► of these places that term off-gassing [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► who is a construction term but that [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► tries to describe how all of these these [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► a all the particle board and the Emmy [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► the wallboard and the most of the [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► products that the the the new carpet it [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► all after the house is built and after [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► you move in it sits there and just sort [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► of sort of permeates gather exist gasps [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► that's yeah i mean any I mean now behind [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► the ones like the formaldehyde also [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► things like I don't know if it's a [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► petroleum thing but things obviously [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► like plastics and down aspects [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► well you know for example we buy we buy [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► a bath mat we like that we've bought [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► three times as its worn-out haha but [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► wait a minute wait a minute what are you [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► gonna do when they start making that [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► back Matt I want to make one out of [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► Longwood are you going to be much more [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► than I Japanese don't work ping pong but [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► every time we buy one of these the same [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► thing happen to bring it home and take [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► it out of the plastic men it's it's it's [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► like a giant plastic vulva opening the [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► entire house is enveloped in this in [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► this smell and so we've got things like [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► to use going to vulva as a as a as a [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► metaphor is a plastic vulva I'm not [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► being a normative a plastic vomit tell [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► me where plastic level it's not going to [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► taste like a 9-volt battery smell like a [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► bath mat let's be honest [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► anyway my point being I I just what it's [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► worth I first of all I like to come back [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► this because I completely agree with you [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► I think the green thing I don't want to [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► get off on one of my jags here but I [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► think it depends a lot on which micro or [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► macro level you want to look at it [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► yeah from you know I mean you know to [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► just to your point I mean I don't know [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► this maybe I don't have enough [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► information to to intelligently agree or [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► disagree with you but I i agree with you [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► being as an intelligent as i am right [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► and something we can all agree on long [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► way on that do well no but here's the [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► thing I I mean the face that I I'm [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► you're saying makes complete sense to me [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► and this is why when you when you pull [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► back the lens just a little bit you say [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► well okay well there's also the vehicles [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that had to have gas in them to bring [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► people there to make it [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► yeah and then the the cheeseburgers this [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► little house that Jack built [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► mhm oh you know what the house that was [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► pretty good you know when you go when [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► you go to someplace like you got a rural [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► England and you go into somebody's house [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► that has a thatched roof and you said [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► tell me about your house and they're [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► like this house was built in 1547 and [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► they show you around the the ceilings in [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► the house or are about five foot two and [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► you have to duck everywhere you go and [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► and got everyone's a hobbit [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► well they were certainly and and that no [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► thing a lot of canned food mmm perhaps [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► the floors are even you know they're [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► there ramshackle places and you go wow [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► this house you know this house really is [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► like it's such a wonderful treasure and [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► then you think about it and you're like [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► this house was just a bit this house is [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► just the one that survived there wasn't [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► anything special about it over over 500 [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► years all the much better houses than [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► this were all torn down or burned down [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► and so this little thing half the reason [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► it survived probably is that no one [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► cared enough about it to tear it down [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► no one cared enough about that piece of [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► property or or they just didn't get [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► around to the land the land it [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► ramshackle east on ya and so this thing [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► survives and now we now has a plaque on [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► the door and now we go there and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► celebrate it but in fact it is just it's [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► just the it's just that like that how [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► the detritus all the beautiful houses [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► are are gone and this is the [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► relationship I have with portland oregon [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► portland oregon is a beautiful city full [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► of bungalows and old architecture and [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► the reason that's true is that for the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► last hundred years no one cared enough [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► about portland oregon there anything [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► down there build something new you know [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► it was a it was a backwater and a shit [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► Berg and you'd go down there and you're [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► like oh yeah it's a house it's a it's a [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► town full of [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► bungalows and all of them have that have [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► moss on the eaves and you can tell every [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► single bungalow in Portland has had four [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► people living in it all of them [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► chain-smoking 20 years that yellow [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► patina inside the entire city of [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► Portland had a yellow patina until until [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► 2002 and who's gonna who's gonna find [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► you know a renovation of hooker town if [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► there wasn't if there wasn't that the [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► people as we talked about in previous [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► episode if there aren't the people [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► coming in with the with the Genesis [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► device to to change everything [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► everything's going to sit there and it [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► is ironic it's same thing happened in [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► San Francisco where these houses that [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► were in neighborhoods people didn't care [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► about they would get those awful sixties [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► and seventies renovations but they [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► hadn't done anything [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► select all the houses the hippies lived [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► in and have half-ruined superficially in [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► in the sixties and seventies are now [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► really expensive houses up1 try to buy a [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► house along the Panhandle that is a lot [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► of dough is it's a gorgeous victorian [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► that was on the west side of the [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► earthquake you know made it out and and [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and and that's a funny thing about San [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► Francisco is that you know now of course [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► today it's it's ludicrous it if you want [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► to do anything to your house there's a [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► lot of rules like if you have to [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► maintain the bay windows [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► yeah there's all kinds of the windows [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► will sag well i just i see those bay [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► windows beautiful ones actually in like [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► the western addition in particular I see [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► those beautiful curved pieces of glass [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► I just think that it must be so costly [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► when you have to you know replace curved [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► glass in the window [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► yeah it's insane well what happened here [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► in Seattle was that we had the world's [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► fair in 1963 and 64 huh where they built [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► the space needle and they tore down a [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► big to in order to build kind of the [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► seattle center they tore down a a [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► ramshackle neighborhood of flop houses [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► and stuff to build that but that wasn't [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► that great of a loss but what happened [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► was that was exactly the era that was [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► kind of the the the peak area of that [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► sort of modernist [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► 23 story flat-roofed apartment building [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► where the walkway was there the hallways [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► were out side it's the motel [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► architecture and what Seattle had was [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► that we built this world's fair and [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► people were going to come from around [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the world for a whole year we were going [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► to have a million people a day here to [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► see the seattle center and so there was [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► this sweeping redevelopment of the city [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► where people went into all those [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► Victorian neighborhoods and they said [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► well here this whole dish house full of [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► you know full of transients even though [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► it has nine bedrooms [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► we're going to tear this down and we're [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► gonna build a kind of motel style [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► apartment building that will house these [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► visitors from out of state and then [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► after those people go it'll be an it'll [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► be an apartment building [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► won't that be nice we'll have well we'll [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► have replaced that dilapidated old house [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► with a modern apartment building and so [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► throughout the city pretend the most [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► interesting neighborhoods we have you'll [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► see [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► victorian house victorian house [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► six-night 1963-64 motel style apartment [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► just sandwiched in between them and now [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► 40 years later when a developer goes [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► into that neighborhood and says which [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► one of these three things and i'm going [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► to buy and teardown they invariably [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► choose the Victorian still you know [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► because who's going to tear down at nine [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► unit apartment building that right you [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► know they're still making money off of [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► that and so we still so Seattle looks a [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► lot worse than portland i have to admit [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► because you walk down the street you [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► just like there's no plan here there's [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► no nothing is governing our development [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► except tear the thing down and you are [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► obviously you cannot count on the tastes [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► of the people who own that property to [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► have any interesting integrating our how [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► that place looks or works [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► you cannot count on [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah and this brings a straight [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► back to I think one of our greatest [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► threads which again this is for new [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► listeners something you acquainted me [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► with a longer time goes there's a new [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► listeners is that heartless monster like [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► architectural preservation got it got it [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► can I get when you talk about super [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► train again beyond only the the you we [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► had a conversation once i was actually [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that long ago before the program but you [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► for this program started but you you're [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► telling me about how you can learn so [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► much from a city you know you're a man [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► who doesn't pick up a map to go to go [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► look around right at you but you can [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► learn a lot just from looking at the [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► elevations in the city where is the [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► waterway oh this is where they put the [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► railroad tracks that explains why there [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► are the kinds of things around here that [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► would be good for railroad industry and [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► the people who work there [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► here's the waterways that's why they [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► probably stopped here is a reason [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► Pittsburgh is where it is in case the [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► San Francisco for example when they [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► added the streetcars and whatever year [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► that was that was the first time that [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► you could live in the highly developed [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► that you can live comfortably and highly [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► desirable neighborhoods that are at the [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► top of a very steep incline because [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► suddenly and you know these are the days [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► before you just zip down to the safe way [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► to pick up your groceries so having [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► something like you know what we have [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► left it there the cable cars which are [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► very silly and not all that useful but [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► back then that was a revelation and in [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► and so you can tell for example [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► generally living near the water in most [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► places you know if it's like an ice [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► water is more expensive living higher [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► rather than lower is a nice place to [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► live and so hey why is it that the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► tornadoes always take out all the mobile [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► home so because it's in the most shitty [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► low-lying areas where no one want to [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► live the floods easily tomato tornado [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► alley [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► yeah and I mean I think what's funny is [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► like that that is you know even with the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the Internet economy I think that still [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► means a lot you know and and to just I [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► don't know I can always come back to [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► Tallahassee where I lived for 10 years [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► and Florida State University the old [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► buildings there are so beautiful [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► the old and but they all are you can [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► tell when the place was initially built [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► it's just beautiful classy like I don't [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► know the style of architecture is but I [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► don't know the name for but it was in [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► the eighteen hundreds i think in early [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► nineteen hundreds so there's a burst of [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► money at that time and they built the [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► women's college of florida or whatever [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► it was called and then you can just tell [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► there were burst of influxes of money [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► probably old people dying wanting their [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► name on something and there's this [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► hodgepodge of different buildings that [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► went up in fifties through the eighties [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► right all of them science building all [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► of them like wildly different with only [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► the most superficial nod start having [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► any kind of continuity with how the rest [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► of the place looks and and some of them [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► have that I I'm trying to figure out if [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► i want to blame this one guy corbusier [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► you have basically invented square [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► cement buildings and and made made every [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► you know mall and apartment buildings [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► and skyscrapers look the same John [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► Flansburg is so mad right now [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► why he loves these things well he's just [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► going to be probably yell at us for a [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► thousand reasons about talking about [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► Lucien but I was here Kordofan who knows [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► ok but you know yeah you know it's like [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► the bart station for example I every [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► time there's a part station I feel like [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► it looks like something from Planet of [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► the Apes Logan's Run Logan's Run yeah [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► yeah but everything you know and I'm [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► sorry not sure I'm going with this but [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► there's a funny confluence of in the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► nineteen sixties in particular I pulling [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► this completely out of my ass [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► there was so much money for things like [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► education building so much more by the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► late sixties in there had been a metric [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► is that correct to say that there was a [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► lot of new building and they were [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► obviously you know after the GI Bill you [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► people want to go to college and their [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► kids want to go to college was all this [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► building and is this like pseudo perfect [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► storm of money wanting the desire to [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► build a lot quickly and cheaply and the [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► influence of the square concrete [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► buildings that are now everywhere [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► well there's where concrete buildings [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► after the war were were honestly thought [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► there was a moral component to them in [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► people's imaginations like these were [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► clean it with open they were not these [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► you know sticking bone little rat holes [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► that a of you know victorian houses that [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► at that time were [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► 60 years old and full of dust and mice [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► you know these were this was a these [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► buildings represented to people at the [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► time the future we we had fought a war [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► and we were we were going to build a new [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► world that look they're growing their [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► clean and they were modern and they did [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► not look like the kind of locations that [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► you would see that had been bombed [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► recently [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► yeah these were exciting like american [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► buildings and am airport terminal [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► terminals and like exciting places for [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► people and my mom talks about it all the [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► time like the idea that you would have a [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► house where all the bedrooms were on the [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► same floor as the living room and the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► kitchen was a radical notion and very [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► exciting one where you would open a [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► sliding glass door and step right from [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► your living room into the garden without [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► there being a stair-step you know all [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► these designs that we think of as [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► mid-century modern and and and kind of [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► you know like tract houses to their I [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► all these little details were were [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► incredible innovations and incredible [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► like almost I mean definitely like moral [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► technologies this is this is the way [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► people should live we now have the [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► technology to live with ease in these [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► custom homes and it's and we're never [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► going back to this tube to the bay [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► windows with the curved glass and it did [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► this I don't look they don't look very [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► space-age at a time when that kind of [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► modernity and that kind of with what is [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► called popular luxe style what was [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► coming and if you were going to go out [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► and you were mike brady and want to [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► interrupt water or an architect that [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► wanted a cool-looking you know house you [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► know you weren't going to make it in the [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► chicago-style em right that'd be awesome [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► I was alone a chicago-style house but [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► you know you look around you look around [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► your city and you learn you can see this [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► you can see people's more moral tastes [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► reflected in the in the physicality of [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► your town in a way that doesn't really [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► require that much imagination like you [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► just have to see it you just have to [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► turn your eyes that way that Seattle has [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► a neighborhood called wallingford which [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► is perched on a on a long broad sloping [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► hill that overlooks lake union which is [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the lake at this very heart of the city [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► and then across Lake Union there's a [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► panoramic view of downtown queen anne [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► hill and and capitol hill so it's this [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► it's this beautiful neighborhood of [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► bungalows on this wide broad sloping [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► hill overlooking a lake and the rest of [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► the city but when you go there you [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► realize very quickly that the streets [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► are laid out wrong [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► the streets are a hundred percent wrong [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► they are laid out so that the bungalows [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► go so the long avenues actually go up [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► and down the hill right long avenues are [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► pointed at the view and the houses there [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► are there are 50,000 houses in this [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► neighborhood and almost none of them [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► have a view of this lake and this [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► panorama of the city they they look on [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► each other's backyards and in order to [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► get in order to get the view either have [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► to go stand on the roof or you have to [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► go out into the middle of the street and [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► look down the hill and for the longest [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► and so when you're in wallingford [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► there's something about it that just [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► kind of feels wrong you're conscious of [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► the city being right there and of this [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► lake and you know every night these [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► incredible sunsets but the neighborhood [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► just kind of looks at itself and then [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► you realize that at the foot of that [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► Hill is a thing we call gasworks Park [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► which is this this gym in the crown of [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► the city this beautiful park with an old [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► gasworks where they used to make these [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► the process natural gas there and you [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► realize when they built this [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► neighborhood of wallingford that view [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► down on the lake would have been a view [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► over a chemical plant for food into into [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► a lake that was full of steamships all [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► emptying their bilges at sunset [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► you know there was nothing about that [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► view that view was something that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► whoever was developing the neighborhood [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► that view is something they wanted to [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► conceal uh-huh [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► because when the wind changed direction [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► all of wallingford was coated with a [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► layer of chemical ash and so for the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► rest of eternity in seattle like we've [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► cleaned up the city that that view right [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► now is it is a 10 trillion dollar view [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► but that neighborhood is always going to [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► be pointed the wrong direction because [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► at the time of you didn't matter to [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► people what mattered was you know that [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► you turn your back to the chemical plant [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► and you know that's so whenever I'm over [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► there I'm always like kind of haunted by [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the haunted by the century I guess so [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► that the things the things that people [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► are interested in the people could [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► afford that people cared about the [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► people live with end up having an impact [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► long beyond the time that decision was [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► made [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► yeah forever and ever i mean there that [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► were there redeveloping London all the [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► time and a lot of you know what if you [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► tear something down in the center of [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► London [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► that was there for 700 years to build [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► something new and my opinion you'd [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► better really have a lot of faith that [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► the thing you're building now is gonna [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► is better than something that survived [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► seven hundred years and that isn't you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► know I don't think people think that way [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► and I don't down i don't remember the [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► details of this so forgive me if I get [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► some of this wrong but I think it might [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► even them out before the earthquake here [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► I think all i know is at some point [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► somebody I don't think is Olmsted but [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► somebody had come up with a plan for the [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► city as it grew that was going to be [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► vastly different from what they come up [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► with because the first thing that you [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► notice in San Francisco that doesn't [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► seem really stupid from the air but [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► seems real stupid on the ground is what [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► you described which is there's there's [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► no reason that California Street needs [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► to be that steep there's no there's no [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► real on the face of it like it's crazy [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► to build the street straight its [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► straight go straight to the side of a [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► hill [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► yeah my senses remember correctly that [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► there was a plan especially for the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► Western neighborhoods like where I live [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► not right live was was a was basically [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► just you know on it there was not a lot [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► out here i think there was a nursing [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► school and maybe an abattoir there was [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► not a lot in my neighborhood was just [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► sayin Sam zooms right yeah yeah that's a [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► wonderful photos that you have my [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► neighborhood were looking down from you [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► know the kind of the top of the hill on [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► what's like 19th Avenue now where [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► there's I think there was chicken farms [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► was the main thing out here and i live [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► in a chicken farm [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► nothing wrong with that okay chicken [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► farms heritage chickens nothing wrong [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► with that but anyway but some some some [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► some due to come up with a plan saying [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► hey why don't we can build these new [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► roads in a way that goes around these [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► hills in a way that's a little more [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► humane on towards with the with the [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► ground and i want to say that it was the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► earthquake in particular that they I [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► guess they need to rebuild quickly i'm [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► talking out of my ass again but the [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► point the point of the story is that now [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► today you know you can go out and buy a [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► bike and walking map of San Francisco [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► this fascinating already seen this but [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► and I enjoy a map that there's a great [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► you go and pick this up anywhere and it [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► will show you the city right a regular [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► old road map of the city but [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► every block between any two [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► intersections anywhere in San Francisco [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► gets like the Jesus Seminar card [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► cartography it shows you four different [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► colors to show you how steep the hill is [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► just between those two interceptions on [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► my block you can go and see I'm on they [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► come on like the second or third looking [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► to get a light pink getting darker place [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► a light red and a dark red [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► mm you know what I mean yeah and so this [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► is so if you're on a bike [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► luckily the bike routes that exists now [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► you know take advantage of the for [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► example 20th avenue you can use the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► exact you're saying fuck attack [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► yeah but for example 20th avenue is the [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► longest contiguous north-south route in [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► my part of town that has the least he'll [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► pound for pound you've been on my street [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► I mean I'm out of breath when I walk [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► from my office uphill in three minutes [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► yes people very very very steep but you [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► know it is it's kind of funny how you [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► know you described with London for [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► example how you know who knows this [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► might have been a bad place to have a [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► house because this is where people [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► through their chamber pots out the [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► window [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► you know what i mean and and in the [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► fullness of time that that changes so no [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► all it takes all up for five over the [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► course of five hundred years [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► all it takes is a few people who live [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► long lives and live in the same house [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► their whole lives to affect the course [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► of development right there's that house [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► here in seattle where the the the [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► property developers had other they [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► bought the entire block except for this [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► one bedroom bungalow literally like the [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► smallest house you could you could [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► possibly build there was just this one [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► bungalow left on an enormous block in [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► ballard and the developers wanted to [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► build a super building that had a whole [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► foods in it and I'm sure it was going to [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► be very green don't know it had AI had a [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► trader joes in it and then it was gonna [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► be great construction and full of [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► architects offices [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► and this one little bungalow was owned [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► by a little old lady and her husband had [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► built it and she and died many years ago [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► and she still lived in this one better [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► place and she wouldn't sell and they [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► offered her a million dollars and she [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► wouldn't sell and so they built their [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► massive trader joes architect building [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► around her house and her house still [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► bright like it up they they built an [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► entire thing around this little yeah [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► it's around this little house the the [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► building but the new building that they [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► built his four five stories tall and [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► this little teeny house sits in [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► basically a canyon that is three feet [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► wide on either side and three feet [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► behind it it's basically like an air [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► shaft where this houses and she just [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► wouldn't you know she wouldn't sell [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► myself fuck you and the story is more [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► hilarious because it wasn't a year or [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► two later that she finally died of old [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► age and she will do her house to one of [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► the construction dudes who brought her a [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► sandwich every day turns out [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► yeah that's awesome so but but if you [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► talk about someplace in England you know [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► all it all it took was a family just to [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► to keep that house in their own hands [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► for a couple hundred years and you know [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► kind of pass it down a few people to [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► live live long lives and live in this [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► one place and all of a sudden this this [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► house has been protected from [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► development just by the fact that either [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► the family what was not up upwardly [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► mobile enough to ever leave it or just [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► sort of tradition bound and now this [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► thing survives and were like wow it's [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► amazing how did this thing make it all [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► these years and it's like well actually [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► 500 years is just what we talked about [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► over eight generations [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► I mean that's not that's not outrageous [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► to think that that everyone's while the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► house is actually passed down that many [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► times [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► well you know in in Florida that's [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► several lifetimes [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► you know there is the thing that always [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► strikes me is and this is just my own [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► heuristic but it seems to me that the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► more content modern the more [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► contemporary you want to make a new [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► building look the more likely it is that [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► it will look extremely uncontested in 10 [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► to 20 years not even time for years [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► well like yeah like yeah I that building [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► was built in 2004 I recognize the shade [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► of mob a vinyl siding you know like [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► building our dated instantly yeah i [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► think i'm feeling funny cuz i think we [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► talked about this a long time ago [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► thousand but i think we yeah I know we [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► talked about because the wet cellos that [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► ya feeling funny though because you have [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► this funny feeling I do have a funny [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► feeling the mosque building at Madison [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► is singing the link for this we know we [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► talked about this once before this [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► example of brutalist architecture and [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► where the first floor of the building [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► has like a ramp so that they can like [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► basically you turn the hose on on snakes [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► that are trying to rush the building the [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► writers yeah yeah and of course it's [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► just so hard we talked about this but [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► it's so horribly designed and [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► constructed where the music department [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► just to reiterate the music department [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► is in the basement where everything is [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► is wilting so you know it's but here's [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► another one i remember is in the [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► mid-eighties I guess there was you know [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► it's once again how about what they say [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► when they open a starbucks turns out [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► that that starbucks makes a lot of money [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► and the other starbucks don't [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► necessarily make less money it's just [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► really really strange phenomenon at [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► which sounds like a little bit like a [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► pyramid scheme to me but that's how was [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► in florida in the mid-eighties early to [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► mid eighties there was a sudden influx [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► of money for new construction i think it [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► probably had to do with financing [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► certain kind of attractive financing but [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► suddenly people were putting up strip [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► malls where they're just didn't need to [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► be another strip mall [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► it just it was it was unnecessary and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► then all these places suddenly [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► everything had an awning [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► yeah and or an atrium well this is this [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► economic alchemy that people talk about [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► when they talk about job creation and [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► they talk about lowering the taxes [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► and trickle-down economics and all this [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► you know you you create what in [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► conservative thinking is this with this [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► sort of a ideal magical set of [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► circumstances where the business climate [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► is friendly for to development and all [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► of a sudden it's like a Genesis bomb of [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► capitalism and these you know these [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► economically stagnant areas become [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► economically vibrant and that is that is [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► the you know that is the the whole truth [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► of of conservatism of the magical [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► thinking of it it's just like look at [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► what happened but that mentality does [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► not take any kind of super long view on [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► development and they'll point to your [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► neighborhood in florida and saying you [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► know development swept into this area [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► and transformed it the tax base was [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► suddenly elevated everybody was making [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► more money the city was making more [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► money this is what happens when you [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► lower regulation and you reduce taxes [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► and you make this can make a place but [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► what they don't factor in and what is [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► completely irrelevant to their thinking [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► is what is in there what is that exactly [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► you know it's nail salons and it's you [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► know temporary businesses it's a new [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► Starbucks across the street from the old [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► starbucks and somehow they're both [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► making money it is this kind of like [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► magical place where economics is where [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► you know where capitalism is happening [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► but is that area improving people's [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► lives really 20 years from now is that [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► area is still going to be economically [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► vibrant really is there any reason for [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► it to be there you know when you look at [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the land and you say oh there used to be [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► a stream hill stream here and there that [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► and so there was a mill here and that's [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► why this street is called Mill Street [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► and that's why this neighborhood is [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► called milltown and I see why [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► development happened here and I see why [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► these are warehouses instead of homes [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and I you know and I see like and then [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► fell on hard times when the mill closed [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► because there wasn't there was new [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► milling technology that was happening [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► somewhere else they didn't need a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► running stream you know etcetera you see [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► you see development through the lens of [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► history but then you go out into the [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► into the flats where it's like they [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► built a mall here because property was [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► cheap and taxes were low and then again [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► creating certain conditions the [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► conditions were were were right for [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► somebody who is smart to take advantage [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► of all these seemingly unrelated things [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► to make something nobody necessarily [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► needed but what's good for them right [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► but but as you say conditions are in a [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► way analogous to like oh there used to [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► be a river here so they built a mill oh [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► this is flat swampy land that they could [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► fill easily and so they built a mall [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► like that they're there is a there's a [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► continuity but but in the in the same [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► way like that land that there's another [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► way of looking at which was that was [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► swampy worthless land before and it's [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► swampy worthless line now nobody is [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► going to go this is that it's got an [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► orange julius now [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► yeah it has you've built a strip mall on [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► it but it is a kind of it is a false [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► paradigm of economics where where money [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► sleeps in and transforms a neighborhood [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► and then economist move on in their [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► thinking and they're like let's go [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► somewhere else and have capitalism [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► transforming area but what they've left [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► behind is this thing that is going to [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► percolate along for a few years and then [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► the lack of reason for it to be there [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► was the lack of soul is going to [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► manifest itself and and all the low [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► taxes in the world aren't going to [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► motivate people to go there because [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► there's no because it's a false thing [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► it's a you know it's a it's an orlando [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► and I mean people are still going to [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► orlando but you know is or like its [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► course Lando is our limit maybe Orlando [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► will be there in five hundred you [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► but it's also there's also a myopia it [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► seems to me this is this is true of [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► people all over the spectrum politically [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► but you know there's it'sit's funny idea [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► of cause and effect where you can say [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► something that is accurate as a true you [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► can see something is accurate which is [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► you can say you know this sector of the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► economy has created the greatest [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► percentage of jobs in the last 15 years [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► and you could say something anybody [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► could you could look at the actual [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► untampered data and say that is [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► absolutely true and yet make a decision [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► based on that that will have absolutely [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► there's absolutely no Karen t let alone [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► logic that making a decision based on [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► that will reveal the same result [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► specifically you could say for example [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► you know small businesses have created [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► the greatest number of jobs over the [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► last 15 years [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► ok so logically then if you did the [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► syllogism if we give lots of money tax [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► breaks or incentives to small business [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► then lots more jobs should happen and i [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► just think that's not how that works i'm [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► not saying don't give money to people [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► but i'm saying it's such a simplistic [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► view of things and you know i don't know [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► if it's going to take a super train to [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► help people understand how this stuff [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► needs to be integrated but my senses [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► when you give anybody money they will [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► try to spend it on things that benefit [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► them they're not interested in your [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► conclusions about why that money was a [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► good idea money the liquidity of money [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► is what allows people to do anything [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► with it they could they could spend that [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► on you know on on rim jobs and dr.pepper [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► you know we're not on Jason from here [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► okay i didn't know the dr pepper man [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► haha well but that as you say I mean the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► central first of all is that I mean this [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense when you talk [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► about I don't get into the politics of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► this but that I think this is at a [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► higher level this is a really really big [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► problem unless you're going to do [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► something as sweeping as the new deal [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► where we basically all agree there are [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► some great things that were will be [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► built and other things where we just [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► need to get money to people and get them [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► back to work in a way that will make [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► them more dignified and part of the body [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► politic again and we'll keep the unions [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► from revolting [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► did you think I I feel like that and we [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► have demonized big government in [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► people's minds so much because the [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► because what big government represents [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► two people is that some bureaucrat is [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► going to tell you that you have to hire [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► people of a race that you don't admire [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► you know like big government to most [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► people in America is it is a simple 121 [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► like you're taking my tax dollars and [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► then telling me that my kids have to go [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► to school in the worst school in town in [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► order to make up for some disadvantage [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► that minority kids have their orders [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► practical level you have to go hire [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► people whether it of any quality where [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► people of that particular quality that [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► you want to give jobs to there's just [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► simply and not not enough people with [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► that genetic component that are doing [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► what we do we want you we want you to [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► hire more physics experts and they [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► should be they should be black women or [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► they should well first of all let's look [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► at how many black women are physicists [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► right now [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► well that might be a different problem [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► to solve yeah yeah but it is that social [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► engineering component [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► however it manifests itself that freaks [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► people out that that big government [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► particularly in the hands of liberals [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► for the last 50 years has engaged in a [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► kind of social engineering experiment [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► nationwide in a thousand different ways [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► and that is the thing that Paul's people [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► in basically anywhere outside of San [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► Francisco New York LA chicago and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► seattle and well leaving aside whether [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► that social engineering experiment has [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► merit or is successful that what has [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► what has been you know the the baby [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► that's been taught tossed out with the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► bathwater there is the idea that there [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► would be any organizing principle to the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► way we approach the the development of [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► america and you know we built the [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► interstate highway system in it and it [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► was eisenhower that did it in an [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► absolutely socialistic fashion you know [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► Eisenhower said we are [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► to use eminent domain to go to all of [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the states in the nation and just take [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► away land from people and employ [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► thousands and thousands of people with [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► this disease can be super highways if we [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► take that San Francisco the do we never [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► see if these curve too much they're [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► they're not even gonna be highways let [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► me just gonna go although when they were [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► building the interstate highways they [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► found the the Pennsylvania Turnpike or [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► the ohio turnpike one of the two one of [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► the first ones that built they built it [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► two straight huh [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► and people that was just straight for [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► 200 miles and people fell asleep and [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► drive their cars off the road turns out [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► and there's a good as they were [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► developing the interstate highway system [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► they realize that they had to [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► manufacture big sweeping curves in the [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► roads where there's no reason for it in [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► order to keep people's attention for [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► enough that they don't crash so that's [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► when you drive the highways it's very [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► rare except in places like Montana or [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► Texas it's very rare that you'll see [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► just straight interrupt an interrupted [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► right straight for 400 miles you know it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► uh it doesn't happen because they built [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the engineered it took to kind of wind [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► its way but anyway what's up [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► so what you were talking about which is [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► that if you say building like the [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► builders are that is a booming sector of [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► the economy you and we're not going to [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► regulate it because government [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► regulation is bad you get places like [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► all of florida and nevada where they [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► build five houses for every person in [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the town and it's because every one of [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► these builders acting independently says [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► I gotta get on this train and there's [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► nobody at the government level approving [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► business permits approving building [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► permits who's saying hold on [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► do we need [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► 600 new McMansions in this area is their [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► demand for it is there [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► can this town support everybody just [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► like well government's got to get out of [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► the way because here we come small [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► business owners you know small business [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► owners have the moral imperative and [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► there's no you know this is the thing [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that terrifies libertarians is they [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► imagine some some wizard of oz [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► bureaucrat sitting behind a curtain [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► approving or not approving their [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► building permits to put a new bunker on [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► their 25 acres and they feel like that [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► is that is government intrusion that is [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► that is police state ism but if you [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► don't have somebody sitting there with a [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► rubber stamp saying I'm not approving [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► any more building permits for this part [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► of the town because because I'm the only [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► person in a position to see that we have [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► too many houses right now being built [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► like we need to put the brakes on this [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► then you get these you get this [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► development that just goes just wipes up [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► the side of a mountain and you've got [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► these houses sitting up there and any [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► dummy can look at and go [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► no one's ever gonna live there like what [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► if you get the epilogue in Florida where [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► I live so so i was living in that area [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► in the mid eighties when I came back [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► after college when the economy was in [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► the shitter guess what you had you had a [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► bunch of uncompleted strip malls yet you [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► had that one mall the easy haha what is [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► it is a chris rock that says it's all [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► like baby clothes you know and greeting [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► cards or whatever its but its true like [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► that one mall that was barely hanging on [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► is gone and now it's you know that [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► eventually I think everything what when [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► things we stretching more farmers [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► markets and and flea markets in places [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► that used to be retail stores i think [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► that's a pretty good sign that something [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► went a little off [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► yeah and the solution in most cases the [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► the BM the raw capitalist solution to [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► that is to go build another strip mall [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► in a newer neighborhood you know it is [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► not to repurpose that old strip mall [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► that's now full of RC modeler stores [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► you know it is not to tear down the [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► shitty motel style apartment building [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► and build build something new there [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► rather than tear down the Victorian you [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► know the solution is always go build [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► another one somewhere else and try and [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► you know trying to light the gasoline [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► over there so it's going to burn real [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► hot and we're going to think we're [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► making money we're generating money over [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► there and there's just there's no [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► collective memory of all these about [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► this trail of strip malls it's like them [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► it's like the islands of Hawaii if you [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► look at Hawaii the reason it looks like [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► a like a dragon's tail is that there's a [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► hot spot under the ocean and over the [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► course of millennia you know the the way [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► the shifting crusts under the ocean have [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► moved they haven't they moved along this [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► hotspot and the hotspot keeps producing [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► islands and then the islands move on the [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► crust in the wake of this burning you [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► know this is burning hole and that [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► agenda done yet this is all new to me [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► yeah that's true of economic development [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► to the the burning hole keeps moving in [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► its wake [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► are these nail salons and RC modeling [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► stores that used to be a little [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► boutiques and Starbucks's or whatever [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► the starbucks equivalent 40 years ago [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► was which was not Orange Julius it was [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► stuff seeing stuff that about 40 years [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► ago the stuff that would pop up [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► yeah what was what was a really nice [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► well photo/national photo mats em photo [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► places that little Italian restaurant [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► like home style italian side like old [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► mall or and ya inside of an old like [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► mall that front of the highway right [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► well i'm thinking yeah we're walking in [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► there was a little fountain in the bin [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► Laden right where we're kind of a cherub [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► had some water coming out of his penis [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► it's not you know there's probably so [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► many things senior theses about this [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► that I'll never read but I have to admit [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► I [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► I am really fascinated by what happens [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► to a mall in particular as it goes down [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► because there's always there's always [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► these you know [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► ok so in Cincinnati we had northgate [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► mall and northgate mall was probably not [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► the first that was one of the first like [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► enclosed malls in the United States as [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► far yeah also has a northgate mall [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► interesting give a westfield mall we do [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► have a westfield mall [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► I think we have a self game all ends up [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► with this update in itself center or [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► southcenter but you know it starts out [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► and everything's glitzy and I remember [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► as a kid you remember this you go to the [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► mall as a kid and they have fountains [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► that worked inside the mountain [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► yeah inside my head the mountain inside [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► the inside the mall but then also they [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► would have car shows and van shows and [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► clearwater mall in clearwater florida i [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► remember at one point was the my [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► grandfather knew this exactly including [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► the asterisks but it was the single [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► largest mall under one roof in the [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► united states and was huge two-story [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► mall before these things were had really [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► caught on [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► yeah but you know I remember going there [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► there's a custom van show remember [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► seeing one called the dreamweaver with a [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► guy for Weaver on repeat [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► oh yeah remember remember the Pinto [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► wagon that had a that had a little [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► circular window in the back of the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► window a bubble window Allah Allah [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► dreamweaver van [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► yeah and the you would get open the [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► tailgate on this Pinto wagon and the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► inside of the wagon was all plush carpet [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► this is the thing these shows and zone [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► out so sexy and I remember one time they [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► had a thing about the stuff from the [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► future they had a house of the future [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that looks like a UFO and then it starts [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► slidin down you know I'm pretty soon [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► you've got a bit worried whether used to [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► be like Sheila toes or McAlpin's now [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► you've got like a pantry pride that's [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► what I'm stride oh that's when you know [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► that but you know it's funny look at our [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► mall arm all i think is whistling past [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► the graveyard right now we are you [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► notice on the caravan their mothers the [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► mall where the apple store is about [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► almost exactly a mile south of where we [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► live [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► yeah and and used to be walk through [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► there and see how many places were empty [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► first I understand how you can have like [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► 40 shoe stores in the mall I still [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► understand that but i guess there must [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► be a reason that they stay alive [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► suddenly there's more places like hot [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► topic there's more places like these [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► high volume younger people kind of [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► places there's tons of phone kiosks and [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► but you know what they do now is when [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► the place is empty remember how it used [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► to be they would just have like like a [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► big boarded-up thing [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► yeah and then the board of thing becomes [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► something where they like Drew giant [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► people on it that's right a big mural or [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► they dropped they'd say this space [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► available now people carrying shopping [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► bags now think they light it up and kind [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► of make it look like it's a store and [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► they they did you know and the things if [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► you look twice at it you'd realize that [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► it's it's it's like staging a model home [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► really it's a dummy store it's not if [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► you look at it obviously you can't walk [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► in but I think they're trying to avoid [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► the missing teeth that those kinds of [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► places created a mock because i'm gonna [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► bet you for a middle aged person walking [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► into a mall with a lot of stories that [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► aren't there [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► you know what I mean it feels handle it [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► feels like urban or the physics suburban [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► retail blight sure like it seems like [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► the Warriors yeah absolutely [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► come out and play unless you're i'm [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► going to bed on you can open but you [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► know that the what you're describing [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► also though is like that you know to get [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► into all the infrastructure of what it [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► takes two to do any of those things and [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► like you know are we can have the [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► capacity i'm guessing for things like [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► you know garbage and water and public [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► transit and stop lights and all the [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► kinds of things we had a friend in when [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► i was when i was a in junior high who [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► was the county Administrator I don't use [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► a rock-and-roll county administrator but [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► he was a county administrator for pasco [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► county and he wouldn't just out of [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► nowhere sometimes he would drop these [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► fascinating facts and you and you know i [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► was saying one day I was helping him [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► school helping him split some logs i [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► think for you know four dollars are [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► that's what she called a flourish it did [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► you grow up in Indiana and made 1850 [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► Illinois and down [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► I grew up in formaldehyde house but I [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► said southern yeah you know it's really [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► crazy over there by southgate mall it's [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► really not so you know there should be a [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► stoplight there is what can you do about [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that Gallagher can you get a John [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► Gallagher can you get a stop light over [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► there said you know what I think what he [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► said with you know what it cost to put [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► in a stop sign somewhere [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► yeah and i forget i think the stoplight [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► in 1980 and he said any stop by starts [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► at forty thousand dollars [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► yeah um which I metal from remembering [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► that right but what I do remember is [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► when he told me what it cost to put a [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► stop light or a stop sign was like over [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► a thousand dollars or something but it [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► was one of those things where was a real [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► wake-up call to me because I just always [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► assume that there was a warehouse [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► somewhere full of entirely modern [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► stoplights and I got to do some couple [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► guys over there and put it up just a [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► couple guys that changes everything if [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► you're doing that on US 19 and you put [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► in a new stoplight with the with it with [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► it with al and green arrow and stuff [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► that changes so many yeah [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► butterfly effect Apple absolutely right [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► now they're building a new subway line [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► that goes to chinatown and stockton [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► street is like upside-down it's [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► completely upside down and try to [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► explain to my daughter who just mainly [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► want to go to disney store and have me [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► shut up that the knock-on effect of [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► closing the street for four years [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► like what that's going to mean to the [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► economy for the been for the was not Ben [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► Davis been with the shirt store [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► Ben Ben Ben Gurion david ben-gurion [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► store to keep in been than her [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► Allah Allah main yeah I don't know yeah [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► well I that the the thing about local [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► government you know city government [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► county government these guys are trying [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► to balance all these factors all these [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► things are happening and we interact [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► with their decisions mostly on the level [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► of why is the street closed [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► why is there not a blank here you know [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► why is there not a stop sign at this [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► intersection who and why why is there [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► never a cop when I can find one you know [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► the these and and everyone so while our [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► garbage doesn't get picked up and were [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► like goddamn City Hall but these people [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► who are working in local governments are [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► trying to you know trying to put out [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► fires but also trying to try to envision [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► the big picture of the development of [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► their region and this argument that were [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► having as a country [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► this big government versus you know [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► capitalism argument like it it [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► fundamentally doesn't interest me [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► because it's fundamentally not the art [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► it's not working with the right argument [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► it's the wrong argument like at a [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► certain point unless you are an [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► apocalyptic thinker who believes that [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► the day that you die the world stops [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► existing and I think a lot of people [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► live this one that's a really good point [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► i don't know their life such as sad way [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► to put it but I think you're absolutely [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► yeah they either because they think [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► they're going to heaven or because they [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► just have never thought beyond [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► themselves but a lot of people just are [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► like what are you talking about a [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► hundred years from now there is no such [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► thing i'm not going to be here so why [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► would it matter but without that kind of [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► thinking and that kind of thinking is [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► not inherently it's there's nothing [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► intrinsically hostile to capitalism [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► about it but it does and I understand [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► people's suspicions that those that [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► because this is that this is the famous [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► refrain of libertarians when you say [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► listen somebody needs to decide how many [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► houses are going to build we get built [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► in las vegas nevada this year [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► it can't be unlimited number of houses [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► you know we can't we can't let that the [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► number of houses built in Las Vegas be [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► determined just by how many houses we [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► can possibly build this year the [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► Libertarians will instantly say well who [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► decides who gets to decide about people [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► who understand the problem well and the [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► implication is that it's someone [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► qualified you know the implication is [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► that that decision is going to be made [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► by by some bureaucrat with a degree in [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► sociology from a local community college [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► who's going to sit there and smirk at [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► them as they give as they decline their [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► building permit you know and that is [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► such a pervasive attitude and it's it's [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► a funny thing when you think about how [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► politics and in in America and in a lot [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► of places works [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► where most people's political awareness [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► is at the level of they go to the DMV [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► and they have a bad experience and it [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► radical Isis that they become anti [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► government because they went to the DMV [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► and somebody there was rude to them and [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► charge them what they think is an unfair [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► amount for their tabs and that's the [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► that is the depth of their political [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► experience they have a they don't have [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► any interaction with with government [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► other than getting pulled over by the [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► cops having to wait in line at the DMV [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► and what the guy comes into their yard [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► to read their meter you know that's the [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► extent of their contact and a few [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► negative experiences it radicalize [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► people for life because they picture [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► Congress or a picture the people at that [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► City Hall and they imagine it's just a [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► giant DMV full of likes of like smog [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► lazy people with whom most of them [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► probably have an agenda smug lazy people [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► who whether they have an agenda they [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► certainly have tenure they're not going [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► to get fired they are you know they're [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► part of a they're part of a city union [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► or government union and they have that [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► kind of Union smugness and so people you [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► know people think when they at when [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► libertarians ask that question who [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► decides what their picturing is a DMV [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► and what the country needs or what how [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► the way we need to think is well yeah [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► that's a good question who decides and [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► it's not it isn't the question isn't [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► answered just by asking it in a snare [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► eway like yeah who decides let's pick [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► somebody you know I mean do we want [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► do we want to basically that's asking do [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► we want another layer of government but [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► it's a but it is a it's a valid question [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► we need we cannot because the mayor has [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► to run around town you showing up at [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► bake sales and stuff [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► mayor does not have the time to sit at a [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► long table with his council of elders [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► and consider these things but every city [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► needs a philosopher you know every city [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► needs a almost like an existential [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► project manager excited that you can [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► develop of developments are because [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► cities are all about development the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► question the question of cities and the [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► question of america is really a question [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► of development people [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► of development people [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► owned property they want the right to [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► develop and how they want but our mutual [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► benefit [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► depends on occasionally people being [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► disappointed because you can't always [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► just do what you want if we're going to [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► have cities that are coherent you know [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► if our lives are going to be coherent [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► living together [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► not everybody gets to do exactly what [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► they want all the time and just one [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► question as far as development does that [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► also under that rubric you you would [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► also include things like infrastructure [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► upkeep maintenance fixing the sidewalks [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► all that incredibly boring and [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► ridiculously costly stuff that's that [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► all factors into the the development [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► issue right absolutely and there are [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► times and this is the this is the thing [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► about taxes like the the water that we [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► get out of our tap in seattle is coming [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► through pipes that come all the way down [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► from the mountains for you know hundreds [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► of miles these pipes and they were laid [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► a hundred years ago or more by teams of [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► men with shovel shovels and donkeys and [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► some of these pipes I swear to you are [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► made out of cedar I'm not kidding you're [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► making that up there are water there are [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► giant water mains in washington state [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► that are made out of cedar and then a [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► lot of them that are made out of iron [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► and and whatever else and at a certain [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► point you need you're gonna need to [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► modernize those systems you know when we [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► went when I bought this house when my [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► mom bought her house one of the first [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► things we did was we dug up the rusting [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► old [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► iron water main that went out to the [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► street and replaced it with it with a [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► new you know sadly PVC water made but we [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► only went out to the street the water [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► man that runs under the sidewalk is [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► whose responsibility it's only the [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► cities and as you follow that back to [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► the Giant you know the cedar tube that [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► you could run a super train through that [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► is buried basically under the street two [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► blocks from my house [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► um what do you do when that went up when [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► that springs a leak you know it isn't [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► you cannot you cannot talk about taxes [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► you can't talk about development without [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► understanding that this that all of our [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► cities are built they were built at a [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► time when a guy with a cigar and a [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► handlebar mustache said build a pipe do [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► it and people did it he did not have to [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► get he did not have to get approval from [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► seven different city agencies because [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► they didn't exist yet but now when that [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► thing when that thing fails it's all of [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► our responsibilities and and more to the [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► point like what do I mean this is the [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► public transit question it's like we're [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► not building public transit for now we [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► never are [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► we're always building public transit for [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► 40 years from now and has to be kind of [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► essay and tech forward compatible right [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► and if you if you if you put it up to a [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► public referendum and you say hey [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► everybody out there to take a second [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► like mute your televisions for a second [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► and let's think about what this city is [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► going to look like in 40 years and how [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► transit is going to interact with it who [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► is it who even needs their television [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► not nobody does they're all like [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► how.what blue somebody has to be looking [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► at that and and and making and somebody [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► has to be looking at that empowered to [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► make decisions because we have people [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► looking at it we have transit committees [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► who look at them they're like well this [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► is what we have to do but they're not [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► empowered they all they can do is kind [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► of Limp forward with their project and [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► try and convince the [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► the four percent of the population that [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► reads the newspaper still and then just [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► hope that the rest of the people are too [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► confused to read the ballot initiative [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► properly i mean that's that's why they [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► have valid initiatives are are phrased [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► so convoluted li-like vote yes on no to [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► the gas project to the double negative [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► active and the funny part is you can [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► when you watch like the the local you [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► know planning meetings or anything like [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► that on on those weird cable stations [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► accidentally do [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► yeah but I see this is I I'm really like [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► to come back to this i would like to [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► consider nominating you to be the [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► bizarre it for these things I'd like you [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► to control others are well I mean this [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► is clearly you need that here's the [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► thing like in england right you've got a [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► queen and you gotta prime minister i [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► think they think you know what I mean [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► you got somebody is therefore the Syrian [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► ceremonial stuff you might even said [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► that the Prime Minister of England is a [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► little bit of a queen [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► oh no you did it you are putting yeah [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► you know you got somebody who's there to [TS]