Roderick on the Line

Ep. 56: "We Paradise in Our Wake"


00:00:00   [Music] [TS]

00:00:04   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:07   I'm Merlin hey doing good I thought I'd [TS]

00:00:11   start the show off with the throat [TS]

00:00:13   clearing hm-hm it's a little warm up [TS]

00:00:19   just a warm-up just a taste of what's to [TS]

00:00:22   come [TS]

00:00:23   lots of throat-clearing it's this is the [TS]

00:00:25   season [TS]

00:00:26   well clearing and coughing are part of [TS]

00:00:29   my mic extra communication level John as [TS]

00:00:34   you know i'm not an allergist but I [TS]

00:00:35   never had an allergy in my life until i [TS]

00:00:38   moved to this God forsaken state i used [TS]

00:00:40   to get sick [TS]

00:00:41   knock on wood I used to get sick about [TS]

00:00:43   three and a half times more often in [TS]

00:00:46   Florida it was until i moved to [TS]

00:00:48   California that I started waking up in [TS]

00:00:51   the middle of the night [TS]

00:00:52   sneezing sneezing and sneezing and I'm [TS]

00:00:54   led to believe that where you live in [TS]

00:00:56   the washington state area [TS]

00:00:58   yeah it's very was not vernal what I [TS]

00:01:01   call it Virdon Virdon Virdon if you [TS]

00:01:04   could be colic it's both personality [TS]

00:01:08   it's easy it's sneezy it's grumpy it's [TS]

00:01:10   dopey now but the thing about it is that [TS]

00:01:14   the bay area is that you have cat dander [TS]

00:01:16   storms in there it's a lot of it's not [TS]

00:01:20   visible to the naked eye but they can't [TS]

00:01:22   all the people that own cats up in the [TS]

00:01:24   sort of wine country and sausalito that [TS]

00:01:28   cat dander just sweeps down over the bay [TS]

00:01:30   you gotta take that I think it's called [TS]

00:01:32   closing when you going with your real [TS]

00:01:34   estate agent you have to show actually [TS]

00:01:37   prefer that you bring a cat with you if [TS]

00:01:39   you're moving into the wine country you [TS]

00:01:40   need to show it going to show the tears [TS]

00:01:41   it's like that movie green card [TS]

00:01:43   yeah you show up with a cat on your [TS]

00:01:44   shoulder with a little leash and they [TS]

00:01:47   know that you're serious about living in [TS]

00:01:48   in wine country little vest lot of [TS]

00:01:51   animals have little vests here up you [TS]

00:01:54   know they're closer to where you live [TS]

00:01:55   they wear little leather vests at our if [TS]

00:02:00   only it were a joke now you had a cat [TS]

00:02:05   allergy as a child according to my [TS]

00:02:06   research and do you did you shake that [TS]

00:02:10   or do you still are you still exposed to [TS]

00:02:12   dander and it causes problems [TS]

00:02:14   well the problem is that i love cats [TS]

00:02:17   and it really precious angels then the [TS]

00:02:20   car everyone is looking at angel would [TS]

00:02:22   you look at that look at that look at [TS]

00:02:24   him that thing is every cat is a shit [TS]

00:02:27   yeah you know what I mean like there's [TS]

00:02:28   nothing I've known some I've known them [TS]

00:02:30   all [TS]

00:02:30   I'm not every kind of cat and they're [TS]

00:02:32   all shits yeah if they were six feet [TS]

00:02:35   tall [TS]

00:02:36   we would be fucked oh absolutely like [TS]

00:02:39   you get a dog dogs [TS]

00:02:40   well we shouldn't get into the animal [TS]

00:02:41   thing too much because we certainly have [TS]

00:02:43   respect as animus we have this respect [TS]

00:02:45   for all creatures and that's right [TS]

00:02:46   that's right but I mean I honestly [TS]

00:02:48   believe that most dogs like if you fell [TS]

00:02:50   down and we're crippled and couldn't get [TS]

00:02:51   to a phone [TS]

00:02:52   they would do everything in their power [TS]

00:02:53   to try and help you they would bring you [TS]

00:02:55   a beverage they would they would try [TS]

00:02:58   with their little sweet pause trying [TS]

00:02:59   call and I really think cats are [TS]

00:03:01   literally just waiting to nibble on your [TS]

00:03:02   toes [TS]

00:03:03   well yeah if you fell down and couldn't [TS]

00:03:04   get up account with your face they do it [TS]

00:03:06   all the time it happens constantly the [TS]

00:03:08   more catchy get that dander accumulates [TS]

00:03:10   yeah i think they have cat meetings and [TS]

00:03:12   they're just waiting they're waiting for [TS]

00:03:13   an opportunity is one scoop you know [TS]

00:03:15   this business about the cat I got about [TS]

00:03:17   cat poop [TS]

00:03:19   yeah yeah I do i do I it i hope that I'm [TS]

00:03:22   not gonna I hope that's not it turns out [TS]

00:03:23   because it really comports with my own [TS]

00:03:25   experience who but in any case I decided [TS]

00:03:29   I could not have cats so anymore what I [TS]

00:03:33   had a a catch right up here on my porch [TS]

00:03:35   and I felt madly in love with him he was [TS]

00:03:37   a wonderful guy and he was killed by a [TS]

00:03:40   car and it was devastating to me and [TS]

00:03:42   then I got us that I got another cat [TS]

00:03:44   trying to fill the void in my heart and [TS]

00:03:47   madcap was a terrible person [TS]

00:03:50   yeah that cat had had just had it had a [TS]

00:03:54   lot of issues but it as you know I'm not [TS]

00:03:57   one to forgive a person or cat being an [TS]

00:04:00   asshole just because they have issues [TS]

00:04:02   when you have a lot of tolerance for for [TS]

00:04:04   people of all kinds including animals [TS]

00:04:06   but I think you also your it seems like [TS]

00:04:09   if you've got a reason you're gonna [TS]

00:04:11   you're gonna look out of the corner of [TS]

00:04:12   your eye when that comes around [TS]

00:04:14   well it's a bit disabilities this whole [TS]

00:04:16   business of like oh the cat is issues [TS]

00:04:18   i'm like right well we all have issues [TS]

00:04:21   you solve your fucking issues cat I gave [TS]

00:04:23   that got a lot of opportunities to solve [TS]

00:04:26   her issues [TS]

00:04:28   I don't want to be gender-specific I [TS]

00:04:31   don't want to be gender normative who [TS]

00:04:33   but but this cat had some issues I don't [TS]

00:04:38   think that they aren't necessarily [TS]

00:04:39   gender related issues so much so hard to [TS]

00:04:42   tell because they're I mean it really is [TS]

00:04:44   it's like somebody with a variety of [TS]

00:04:46   physical problems and you kind of don't [TS]

00:04:47   know where to begin is up with cats see [TS]

00:04:49   the thing is cats are people who like [TS]

00:04:52   cats say things like you know they are [TS]

00:04:53   independent were they are aloof war and [TS]

00:04:57   I think with much respect to the the [TS]

00:05:00   animal companions out there I i think [TS]

00:05:03   they come up with a lot of fucking [TS]

00:05:04   bullshit excuses for having for having a [TS]

00:05:07   really dreadful and potentially evil [TS]

00:05:09   animal in the house [TS]

00:05:10   yeah now independent and aloof who are [TS]

00:05:13   great qualities especially a girlfriend [TS]

00:05:15   or a manservant like if if you're like [TS]

00:05:19   oh yeah my manservant is a little [TS]

00:05:20   independent and aloof that's wonderful i [TS]

00:05:23   think i don't i don't want a man so good [TS]

00:05:25   i just a grocery store cashier keep [TS]

00:05:28   grocery store cashier independent and [TS]

00:05:30   aloof these are good qualities but in a [TS]

00:05:32   thing that you are feeding and and [TS]

00:05:34   cleaning up this shit that you want you [TS]

00:05:37   want a little bit of love from that [TS]

00:05:40   thing I mean this is the thing I'm going [TS]

00:05:41   through with the with my daughter where [TS]

00:05:42   it's like listen I'm cleaning up your [TS]

00:05:44   shit still I want a little bit of love [TS]

00:05:47   sometimes you just gotta sit on Daddy's [TS]

00:05:48   lap sometimes just sit here and give [TS]

00:05:51   daddy a hug [TS]

00:05:52   whether you like it or not at least i [TS]

00:05:53   got like fish you don't get anything [TS]

00:05:54   from a goldfish but at least you know [TS]

00:05:56   it's gonna die pretty soon you don't [TS]

00:05:57   expect anything from a goldfish and [TS]

00:05:59   frankly you know their machines to clean [TS]

00:06:01   up their shit if there was some kind of [TS]

00:06:03   filter but I could put in my house that [TS]

00:06:06   cleaned up the cat shit and and clean to [TS]

00:06:09   the air like scrub the air of cat dander [TS]

00:06:11   I might have a better relationship with [TS]

00:06:14   them anyway I gave this cat away to a [TS]

00:06:17   friend and this friend has no problem at [TS]

00:06:21   all [TS]

00:06:21   he's a younger person has no problem at [TS]

00:06:23   all with the cat bites your face [TS]

00:06:25   he thinks it's hilarious I'm like great [TS]

00:06:28   well you guys are a match made in heaven [TS]

00:06:29   again I think they come up the [TS]

00:06:32   cat-people god bless them [TS]

00:06:34   I think they come up with every excuse [TS]

00:06:36   in the world for for--why that animal is [TS]

00:06:39   the way it is [TS]

00:06:40   they have they have what [TS]

00:06:41   is essentially a the kind of animal that [TS]

00:06:43   really should be outside hunting things [TS]

00:06:45   and being hunted in many cases and let [TS]

00:06:47   me just don't stipulate these are moving [TS]

00:06:49   onto the sweet precious angels there's [TS]

00:06:51   no question about it but for example I [TS]

00:06:53   mean many of the cats have no more dicks [TS]

00:06:55   and my my mom had a very dear friend and [TS]

00:06:58   I always dreaded going to her house for [TS]

00:07:00   fruit for two reasons letters we're [TS]

00:07:02   going to get some letters you know [TS]

00:07:03   you're going to your moms I'm not gonna [TS]

00:07:06   open because I dander tender and you can [TS]

00:07:11   just you just run the letter under your [TS]

00:07:12   nose and your like ammonia oh my god the [TS]

00:07:15   ammonia I got a couple things here first [TS]

00:07:18   of all this lady she had let's say it [TS]

00:07:20   and I don't want to be ping-pong she had [TS]

00:07:23   a siamese cat [TS]

00:07:24   oh there's no sign of these cats not a [TS]

00:07:27   dick pic all girls but so there's two [TS]

00:07:35   reasons and this is the thing this isn't [TS]

00:07:36   I don't want to get into the pit bull [TS]

00:07:37   thing that upsets people but you know [TS]

00:07:39   what is your letters from wilwheaton [TS]

00:07:41   what we got pitbull always got one of [TS]

00:07:45   those pit bull dogs some kind of dog [TS]

00:07:47   that some kind of dog that is like it [TS]

00:07:50   fifty percent of the people in the world [TS]

00:07:52   look at the dog and say oh this is a dog [TS]

00:07:53   that was bred to grab humans by the neck [TS]

00:07:56   and shake them until they're dead who [TS]

00:07:59   and then fifty percent of the people in [TS]

00:08:01   the world are like this is an animal [TS]

00:08:03   that was bred to love this is a [TS]

00:08:05   companion and a loving like a loving [TS]

00:08:09   sweet child care animal this is an [TS]

00:08:12   animal i would trust my newborn baby [TS]

00:08:14   with and these fifty percent but the one [TS]

00:08:17   half of the people and the other half [TS]

00:08:18   the people are never going to see I 250 [TS]

00:08:20   / centers and wil wheaton is in the at [TS]

00:08:23   if you if you believe his Twitter feed [TS]

00:08:24   if you follow his twitter feet he you [TS]

00:08:27   know he is a he is a pit bull owner and [TS]

00:08:29   someone who is indeed this is a this is [TS]

00:08:32   a love bug [TS]

00:08:33   this animal is this is murderous combat [TS]

00:08:38   animal literal killing machine it is a [TS]

00:08:41   love bug and as and a woman's and a [TS]

00:08:44   newbie dupe of digits [TS]

00:08:45   switches and he's a gooz and he's you [TS]

00:08:48   know he will write some will write some [TS]

00:08:50   blog posts as you know which is the new [TS]

00:08:52   over which is the new friendship and [TS]

00:08:55   what it is the day right sit here [TS]

00:08:57   writing blog posts that say if you don't [TS]

00:08:59   think my Williams is a noble bottom so [TS]

00:09:02   then you are a you are an animal and a [TS]

00:09:05   and hateful life is hard for former [TS]

00:09:08   child actors but you know I'm just [TS]

00:09:09   thinking if there were somebody who is [TS]

00:09:11   going to be a drug lord you wouldn't [TS]

00:09:12   suspect while we Minds my senses most of [TS]

00:09:15   the people who own pit bulls don't don't [TS]

00:09:17   fully realize what they're there for [TS]

00:09:19   or maybe maybe they like that again me [TS]

00:09:22   I'm just saying maybe he has a lot of [TS]

00:09:24   squeak in his palatial i'm guessing [TS]

00:09:26   Beverly Hills house I told you the story [TS]

00:09:28   you know when we moved in when we put my [TS]

00:09:30   mom bought her house we moved in there [TS]

00:09:32   the guy next door was kind of a [TS]

00:09:34   legendary drug dealer in the [TS]

00:09:36   neighborhood and that's a you know they [TS]

00:09:39   had a big house every day of school name [TS]

00:09:41   what was his name you know what to say [TS]

00:09:44   but I mean it did you have like a carlos [TS]

00:09:45   the jackal kind of name always being was [TS]

00:09:47   like Terrence Terrence but uh but their [TS]

00:09:51   latest Terrance this is one of these [TS]

00:09:53   neighborhoods where the houses are a [TS]

00:09:55   hundred years old they're big old houses [TS]

00:09:57   the neighborhood fell into decline in [TS]

00:09:59   the forties and fifties and then there [TS]

00:10:02   was some redlining happening where you [TS]

00:10:04   know you couldn't get loans in that [TS]

00:10:05   neighborhood because there were too many [TS]

00:10:06   blacks and then the neighborhood felt [TS]

00:10:09   more into decline and then people [TS]

00:10:11   started calling it a ghetto and then you [TS]

00:10:13   really couldn't get a home improvement [TS]

00:10:15   loan and you know it's the classic [TS]

00:10:16   American story of how we how we make [TS]

00:10:20   ghettos and then of course the gays move [TS]

00:10:24   in the first the punk rockers move in [TS]

00:10:26   the hardest move in and they they take [TS]

00:10:28   over these houses and tournament to like [TS]

00:10:30   party houses and then the gays move in [TS]

00:10:33   and then they fit they fix up the houses [TS]

00:10:35   enough that the white liberals decide it [TS]

00:10:38   safe like the hip ones that gays are [TS]

00:10:40   kind of the real estate version of a [TS]

00:10:43   canary in a coma there with you know [TS]

00:10:45   what they are they're like they're like [TS]

00:10:46   the they're like the guy up bomb and [TS]

00:10:49   star trek to four star trek 3 was a was [TS]

00:10:52   head was the star trek or spot died and [TS]

00:10:55   they sent down the it was what was that [TS]

00:10:57   bomb climate [TS]

00:10:58   really really embarrassed to say this [TS]

00:10:59   was the genesis bomb the Genesis bummed [TS]

00:11:02   it doesn't Spock anyone the spoilers but [TS]

00:11:04   doesn't spot dyeing wrath of khan second [TS]

00:11:07   one that's not what the whale and market [TS]

00:11:10   I think spot datsun in the Genesis bomb [TS]

00:11:12   one which i think is 34 good but then he [TS]

00:11:15   comes back anyway I a spoiler alert [TS]

00:11:17   Spock Spock isn't actually into your [TS]

00:11:19   knowledge will Wheaton was not in that [TS]

00:11:21   as far as I know can he may have been he [TS]

00:11:24   may have had a he had a folding chair [TS]

00:11:25   that said we'll many sat on the set [TS]

00:11:28   waiting for them to call but the Genesis [TS]

00:11:31   bomb but Genesis bomb is it you know [TS]

00:11:33   it's a it's actually a component of the [TS]

00:11:35   whole supertrain project there will be [TS]

00:11:37   as Genesis bomb [TS]

00:11:38   oh I hate to reveal myself i'm familiar [TS]

00:11:41   with Kobayashi Maru i'm familiar with [TS]

00:11:43   tribbles and like i said i dunno about [TS]

00:11:46   the whales in moderate you could you [TS]

00:11:48   just for an outsider could you give me a [TS]

00:11:49   quick sense of what the Genesis bomb [TS]

00:11:51   does have the Genesis bomb as far as I [TS]

00:11:53   understood it was a it was a colonizing [TS]

00:11:56   bomb where the you know the star treks [TS]

00:12:00   would fly out and they'd find like dead [TS]

00:12:02   planets and they would drop the Genesis [TS]

00:12:05   bomb on it and it would create an [TS]

00:12:08   atmosphere and then within the [TS]

00:12:11   atmosphere things would start to grow it [TS]

00:12:13   would happen very fast because of magic [TS]

00:12:15   that is a really violent idea [TS]

00:12:18   yeah so instead of going to Mars and [TS]

00:12:20   sitting there like drinking your own p [TS]

00:12:22   for a thousand years until you can drum [TS]

00:12:25   up you know enough until until the [TS]

00:12:28   mining pays for the construction of like [TS]

00:12:31   a habitat you just fly over Mars you [TS]

00:12:34   drop a Genesis bomb and then a virgin [TS]

00:12:38   see happens it sweeps across you know [TS]

00:12:42   it's like it's like if you drop it drop [TS]

00:12:44   of food coloring and you been a water [TS]

00:12:46   glass okay Shh [TS]

00:12:48   and so the planet all of a sudden is [TS]

00:12:50   like this incredible jungle hey Skippy [TS]

00:12:53   skip right over living in a bubble and [TS]

00:12:54   dealing with hydroponics small robots [TS]

00:12:56   and go straight into condos go straight [TS]

00:12:58   into like holy cats this place is like [TS]

00:13:01   it's like Hawaii the whole planet turns [TS]

00:13:03   to Hawaii basically to him anyway so [TS]

00:13:06   Genesis bomb was I talking about well [TS]

00:13:09   you're talking about the gays being the [TS]

00:13:11   punk as the train I want some answers [TS]

00:13:13   kazar Genesis bombs for ghettos and a [TS]

00:13:16   pretty good you drop a couple you drop [TS]

00:13:19   like a like a young crafty handicraft e [TS]

00:13:23   a couple of days into into a [TS]

00:13:26   neighborhood and they fix up their house [TS]

00:13:28   and then all of a sudden it's like the [TS]

00:13:30   house next door gets fixed up and then [TS]

00:13:31   the house down the block gets fixed up [TS]

00:13:33   and then people like me move it and [TS]

00:13:36   they're like wow this neighborhood seems [TS]

00:13:37   really inexpensive for how cool these [TS]

00:13:41   houses are and then we're fixing up our [TS]

00:13:43   houses and pretty soon you know eight [TS]

00:13:46   years later all the little black ladies [TS]

00:13:48   that had lived there for 50 years can't [TS]

00:13:51   pay their property taxes anymore because [TS]

00:13:53   the neighborhood has become like [TS]

00:13:55   expensive who and then they are driven [TS]

00:13:58   out by taxes to live further out live [TS]

00:14:04   out in the suburbs which in the fifties [TS]

00:14:06   were where people move to escape the [TS]

00:14:09   inner city it's a constant H it's a [TS]

00:14:11   constant churning of the American [TS]

00:14:14   turning but so anyway my next-door [TS]

00:14:17   neighbor was a drug dealer and everybody [TS]

00:14:21   in the neighborhood when we when we [TS]

00:14:23   moved in we were the first white people [TS]

00:14:24   that to move on to our block and [TS]

00:14:27   everybody in the neighborhood was like [TS]

00:14:28   oh yeah you're living next to Terrence [TS]

00:14:30   he's a he's a he's a bad actor and he [TS]

00:14:34   walked he walked with a cane because he [TS]

00:14:36   shot at Cobbs and so he walked with a [TS]

00:14:41   cane but he was not much older than I [TS]

00:14:42   was and he lived in this house because [TS]

00:14:45   the heat his wife had inherited the [TS]

00:14:47   house from her father who still lived in [TS]

00:14:49   an attic room or something like that but [TS]

00:14:51   anyway he kept his stash and and we [TS]

00:14:55   became good friends but he kept his [TS]

00:14:58   stash in an upstairs bedroom that had a [TS]

00:15:01   little like covered porch out the window [TS]

00:15:04   where he kept a female pit bull chained [TS]

00:15:10   on a 6-foot chain and she lived on the [TS]

00:15:14   roof [TS]

00:15:15   oh and the roof was covered with shit [TS]

00:15:19   because she never went off and she not [TS]

00:15:22   wasn't on the 6-foot chain [TS]

00:15:24   and as you can imagine this full-grown [TS]

00:15:27   female pitbull was furious she was so [TS]

00:15:32   mad and lets it or up a lot of angry [TS]

00:15:37   living on a poop field roof [TS]

00:15:38   you good on a six foot chase but is not [TS]

00:15:40   a lot of foot and I don't know what I [TS]

00:15:42   don't know whether he'll be periodically [TS]

00:15:43   opened the window and threw a couple of [TS]

00:15:45   cheeseburgers out there but but he kept [TS]

00:15:47   his drugs in that room so this was his [TS]

00:15:49   strategy to keep people from jumping up [TS]

00:15:51   on the roof and then breaking into the [TS]

00:15:52   house [TS]

00:15:53   who was he just kept this dog chained up [TS]

00:15:55   on the roof well of course the roof [TS]

00:15:57   where she lived was I level and 15 feet [TS]

00:16:01   away from my kitchen window so every [TS]

00:16:04   time I would come come to the sink to [TS]

00:16:06   wash a cup like I'm eyeball-to-eyeball [TS]

00:16:09   with this this the the world's angriest [TS]

00:16:13   dog you know and she's just like her [TS]

00:16:16   role right you're probably the closest [TS]

00:16:19   thing she has to a friend touch [TS]

00:16:21   it's just didn't snap didn't say just [TS]

00:16:24   spill everywhere and yeah maybe she's [TS]

00:16:26   trying to you know to maybe say no she [TS]

00:16:28   don't like 18 she definitely wants to [TS]

00:16:31   kill you but that was probably closest [TS]

00:16:32   thing that dog had to a relationship and [TS]

00:16:35   I would tried speaks soothingly to her [TS]

00:16:37   but you know the humane society on the [TS]

00:16:39   list of city agencies i was going to [TS]

00:16:41   call about Terrence the Humane Society [TS]

00:16:45   was like six down the list after the DEA [TS]

00:16:48   and the and everything but anyway we [TS]

00:16:51   reached a a bar when we had a reproach [TS]

00:16:55   but the two of us was like hey man how's [TS]

00:16:58   it going you know i am looking the other [TS]

00:17:02   way about you while you basically run a [TS]

00:17:06   crack house here as long as we assume we [TS]

00:17:11   assume a bond of friendship over [TS]

00:17:14   a in our little corner of the [TS]

00:17:16   neighborhood this is how this is how [TS]

00:17:17   urban and and in some cases suburban [TS]

00:17:20   America should work we don't we don't [TS]

00:17:22   have to like each other we don't have to [TS]

00:17:24   get along with every little thing we [TS]

00:17:25   have to overlook these little things and [TS]

00:17:27   how about the laundry keep up the lawn [TS]

00:17:29   he did not keep up the lawn and also he [TS]

00:17:31   had five kids living there with him [TS]

00:17:33   cheese so the kids were great and I [TS]

00:17:36   actually you know like to start with his [TS]

00:17:37   progeny r with a regular okay and I got [TS]

00:17:40   you know I kind of the kids and i had a [TS]

00:17:42   good had a good relationship and and the [TS]

00:17:44   fact about him was that at my trained [TS]

00:17:48   eye never detected that he used drugs of [TS]

00:17:51   any kind [TS]

00:17:52   he didn't even seem stoned on pot I [TS]

00:17:54   think he was probably a pretty good [TS]

00:17:55   businessman who he did not dip into his [TS]

00:17:58   so and so he kept the level of crack [TS]

00:18:00   zombies in the neighborhood down to a [TS]

00:18:03   dull roar like he didn't tolerate it he [TS]

00:18:06   did not run a crack house in the sense [TS]

00:18:08   of like zombies and it was like a crack [TS]

00:18:10   warehouse [TS]

00:18:11   it was a crack where it was a crack [TS]

00:18:12   distribution center see I learned this I [TS]

00:18:14   learned this from the wire and because [TS]

00:18:16   they're almost everything i know about [TS]

00:18:17   urban America I learned from watching a [TS]

00:18:19   television show but the idea there is [TS]

00:18:20   you you try and keep things [TS]

00:18:21   compartmentalized at both material level [TS]

00:18:24   and a personal level you want to provide [TS]

00:18:26   it as much this is why this is [TS]

00:18:28   interesting to me that a drug lord will [TS]

00:18:30   keep that in the place where he resided [TS]

00:18:32   that seems that seems you know like this [TS]

00:18:35   you know Seattle's kind of this and of [TS]

00:18:38   course at this time this neighborhood [TS]

00:18:40   was let us say poorly monitored by the [TS]

00:18:44   local police think what they call [TS]

00:18:45   something to get out your you're saying [TS]

00:18:47   a lot to the people who live there [TS]

00:18:48   you're basically saying it's a it's a [TS]

00:18:51   it's a blank check for problems [TS]

00:18:53   yeah yeah whatever that ghetto I mean [TS]

00:18:55   what with the neighborhood it was a [TS]

00:18:56   neighborhood [TS]

00:18:57   I like a lot I mean there's the ghettos [TS]

00:19:00   where all the original housing have been [TS]

00:19:02   torn down and replaced with housing [TS]

00:19:04   projects where none of the people feel [TS]

00:19:07   any connection to the neighborhood or [TS]

00:19:09   two where they live in Seattle though [TS]

00:19:12   the word ghetto doesn't really apply [TS]

00:19:14   because these were single-family homes [TS]

00:19:17   where people had lived at raise their [TS]

00:19:20   children and where you know had lived [TS]

00:19:22   for a whole generation or sometimes two [TS]

00:19:25   or three generations so there was a [TS]

00:19:27   tremendous [TS]

00:19:28   amount of house pride in the [TS]

00:19:30   neighborhood the problem was that they [TS]

00:19:32   were poor so and and they couldn't get [TS]

00:19:35   loans or they could you know that it was [TS]

00:19:36   a it was the classic old houses they're [TS]

00:19:39   gonna need some help [TS]

00:19:40   yeah we need we need that we needed a [TS]

00:19:41   new roof we need new sightings we just [TS]

00:19:44   got scoop on it and and they would go to [TS]

00:19:47   their local you know and they would say [TS]

00:19:48   look I own my home and I just need a [TS]

00:19:51   home improvement loan and maybe like me [TS]

00:19:53   not in that neighborhood sorry who [TS]

00:19:55   and so the rules would get shitty and [TS]

00:19:58   the gutters would fall and and so as you [TS]

00:20:00   drove through the neighborhood [TS]

00:20:02   you would think this is rough and there [TS]

00:20:04   are lots of teenage boys standing on the [TS]

00:20:06   street smoking cigarettes but in fact [TS]

00:20:09   you get to know the people and it's like [TS]

00:20:10   this is not this is not again no this is [TS]

00:20:12   a poor neighborhood and it's a poor [TS]

00:20:15   neighborhood where the poorness is [TS]

00:20:16   exacerbated by institutionalized racism [TS]

00:20:21   you know for sure there's no other way [TS]

00:20:23   to put it but so this neighborhood was [TS]

00:20:25   self-policing you know the little old [TS]

00:20:27   ladies didn't let Terrence get out of [TS]

00:20:29   hand because they all knew his mother [TS]

00:20:31   you know they all knew him when he was a [TS]

00:20:32   little kid so he'd keep growing up in [TS]

00:20:34   that house everybody did this was the [TS]

00:20:36   neighborhood Jimi Hendrix grew up in [TS]

00:20:37   well like Jimi Hendrix's childhood home [TS]

00:20:40   was two-and-a-half blocks away and [TS]

00:20:42   everybody in the neighborhood that was [TS]

00:20:44   50 years old all the 50-year old guys [TS]

00:20:46   neighbor all-new Jimmy and played with [TS]

00:20:48   him played first of all played you know [TS]

00:20:51   the kickball with him and then they all [TS]

00:20:53   had they'll play music with them you [TS]

00:20:55   know you walk through that neighborhood [TS]

00:20:56   with any guy that age maybe like I over [TS]

00:20:58   this house that's where we used to jam [TS]

00:21:00   after school and over here is where [TS]

00:21:02   Jimmy you know like status first beer [TS]

00:21:05   and you know everybody had stories but [TS]

00:21:09   but so at entrance knew who are you how [TS]

00:21:13   he fit into the neighborhood and [TS]

00:21:14   everybody was afraid of him but he also [TS]

00:21:15   knew that like you did there were [TS]

00:21:17   certain lady didn't cross and and I'm [TS]

00:21:19   stepping into it i'm stepping into this [TS]

00:21:22   neighborhood as a guy who's lived in [TS]

00:21:24   seattle for many years and who has [TS]

00:21:26   family in seattle going back to eighteen [TS]

00:21:29   eighty but I also i crossed madison [TS]

00:21:34   street and went three blocks into the [TS]

00:21:37   central district and all of a sudden [TS]

00:21:39   as far as they're concerned I'm like [TS]

00:21:42   well I'm the new guy you know I'm the [TS]

00:21:44   white kid and what am i doing there and [TS]

00:21:47   you know and i would try and explain my [TS]

00:21:49   bona fides to everybody like oh no you [TS]

00:21:51   couldn't have been you know my people [TS]

00:21:52   have been in seattle since 1816 they're [TS]

00:21:54   like we don't care I'll take it you had [TS]

00:21:57   a tricorn hat you know what are you [TS]

00:21:59   doing here what you like standing for [TS]

00:22:01   their house in France well do you mean [TS]

00:22:06   I'm down [TS]

00:22:07   can we know I had what looked down the [TS]

00:22:09   street and you are nothing if not down [TS]

00:22:12   I'd be I'd be trying to fist bump [TS]

00:22:13   everybody feeling fat albert dancing a [TS]

00:22:16   little choppy walk [TS]

00:22:18   I mean welcome to the neighborhood and [TS]

00:22:19   everything but not so much with the fist [TS]

00:22:21   pumping maybe you could just use keep [TS]

00:22:23   that down to a dull roar but I it's been [TS]

00:22:26   amazing to watch that neighborhood [TS]

00:22:27   changing you know now my mom is one of [TS]

00:22:30   the little old ladies that slip slip [TS]

00:22:32   therefore she lived in that house now [TS]

00:22:33   for 16 17 years who and she is one of [TS]

00:22:37   the enforcers and there you know there [TS]

00:22:41   are just a few houses left except for [TS]

00:22:43   right across the street from my mom's [TS]

00:22:45   house is still the the universal Church [TS]

00:22:50   of God in Christ creation which is a a [TS]

00:22:54   church in you know in a that's in an old [TS]

00:22:57   mansion weather with the windows of kind [TS]

00:23:00   of all been covered with the with [TS]

00:23:02   plywood but they still have they still [TS]

00:23:05   have a rousing church services in there [TS]

00:23:08   twice a week [TS]

00:23:09   wow so you know it's still I think if [TS]

00:23:12   you were if you were a real estate [TS]

00:23:15   person you would still drive through the [TS]

00:23:16   neighborhood and say with it was in [TS]

00:23:17   transition over but a boy it has to well [TS]

00:23:22   it has transitioned and and the first [TS]

00:23:23   transition the first major transition [TS]

00:23:26   happened when Terrance set his house on [TS]

00:23:28   fire and it burned hehe installed what [TS]

00:23:34   was the story he installed an electronic [TS]

00:23:36   security system but he had a friend [TS]

00:23:41   installment and it shorted out at one [TS]

00:23:44   point and center fire up through the [TS]

00:23:47   stairwell and you know fire engine [TS]

00:23:49   wiring for [TS]

00:23:50   thing oh and that's exactly what [TS]

00:23:51   happened he is friend installed a new [TS]

00:23:53   security system on some knob-and-tube [TS]

00:23:56   wiring and just you know I'm sure just [TS]

00:23:59   like put some Elmer's glue on it are [TS]

00:24:00   women so the house burned down our debt [TS]

00:24:03   not burned down it just it was damaged [TS]

00:24:05   by fire if our Terrence inoa you know I [TS]

00:24:08   i would probably seek out people that I [TS]

00:24:11   could pee in product where they would [TS]

00:24:15   work it privately for me you know i'm [TS]

00:24:17   saying i'm just like if you if you get a [TS]

00:24:18   cracky electrician in an old house I [TS]

00:24:21   mean that's kind of a recipe for [TS]

00:24:22   disaster [TS]

00:24:23   my feeling is the worst job although the [TS]

00:24:26   the thing I i like to hear about the [TS]

00:24:28   least is when I when I know someone is a [TS]

00:24:31   crack it and it turns out they're also a [TS]

00:24:32   locksmith that's a bad one [TS]

00:24:38   what a terrible combination that's a bad [TS]

00:24:41   job for any drug addict to have and I [TS]

00:24:42   don't mean bad for them i mean bad for [TS]

00:24:44   society [TS]

00:24:45   I want my locksmiths if there's one job [TS]

00:24:48   I want I want to walk in and see like a [TS]

00:24:52   Christian fish on the wall or you know [TS]

00:24:56   where a letter to see what you want to [TS]

00:24:57   be somewhat he's very tidy and maybe a [TS]

00:24:59   little bit taciturn super ethical one [TS]

00:25:02   you want to use a lot a lot of questions [TS]

00:25:06   like like like well if tsa people were [TS]

00:25:08   competent like is somebody somebody [TS]

00:25:10   who's going to ask you some questions [TS]

00:25:11   like when I came to Seattle they notice [TS]

00:25:13   my driver's license was expiring soon [TS]

00:25:14   I appreciate that i don't like when [TS]

00:25:16   people touch my balls but i do like it [TS]

00:25:18   when their job is to notice things like [TS]

00:25:20   that and they do notice that in that [TS]

00:25:21   instance you get somebody pulls up in a [TS]

00:25:24   well in a well-maintained vehicle it [TS]

00:25:26   says that they're bonded whatever that [TS]

00:25:28   means [TS]

00:25:28   ya know how to have you ever considered [TS]

00:25:29   becoming bonded i'm not really sure [TS]

00:25:31   what's involved in that actually fish [TS]

00:25:32   story about terrorists as it did they [TS]

00:25:33   get the dog down or did it perish in the [TS]

00:25:35   conflagration know that the dog was on a [TS]

00:25:37   part of the house that didn't burn but [TS]

00:25:39   they but they got their insurance little [TS]

00:25:41   dog have any water damage or smoke [TS]

00:25:42   damage there's some smoke damage and [TS]

00:25:45   they they joined the exodus of people [TS]

00:25:48   from that neighborhood who were moving [TS]

00:25:50   out of seattle and down to renton where [TS]

00:25:53   rents were still cheap where property [TS]

00:25:56   taxes were still low and it was a it was [TS]

00:25:59   a tremendous thing that happened between [TS]

00:26:01   the nineties and now [TS]

00:26:02   where what had would have been this core [TS]

00:26:06   super-tight neighborhood and absolutely [TS]

00:26:10   a black neighborhood going back going [TS]

00:26:13   back to the founding of Seattle and a [TS]

00:26:14   black neighborhood that was where the [TS]

00:26:16   where the the city you know in enforced [TS]

00:26:21   it at a certain point like it was it was [TS]

00:26:24   originally it was a neighborhood that [TS]

00:26:25   formed around a very successful black [TS]

00:26:29   hotel e'er who moved to Seattle at the [TS]

00:26:32   at the very founding of the city and and [TS]

00:26:34   started a hotel and was a very [TS]

00:26:37   successful guy built himself a beautiful [TS]

00:26:38   house in this neighborhood and so as you [TS]

00:26:42   know as blacks moved to the neighborhood [TS]

00:26:43   they were encouraged to move into that [TS]

00:26:45   area and then at a certain point the [TS]

00:26:48   city was like well if you're black and [TS]

00:26:50   you're moving to Seattle you have to [TS]

00:26:54   move to that area and it was a it was a [TS]

00:26:57   gradual creeping change that happened [TS]

00:27:01   we're pretty soon you couldn't rent or [TS]

00:27:04   buy outside of this neighborhood who and [TS]

00:27:07   it became a it became an incredibly [TS]

00:27:09   vibrant neighborhood incredibly powerful [TS]

00:27:11   culture it's where quincy jones came [TS]

00:27:14   from and it's where it's where Hendrix [TS]

00:27:17   came from it's like a ray charles got [TS]

00:27:21   his start playing music in this in this [TS]

00:27:23   neighborhood and anyway the entire [TS]

00:27:27   neighborhood now is just has been kind [TS]

00:27:29   of culturally decimated not buy anything [TS]

00:27:33   except this sort of influx of middle [TS]

00:27:36   class whites that are like a these [TS]

00:27:38   houses are pretty good actually and so [TS]

00:27:40   cheap and so the neighborhood little by [TS]

00:27:42   little has all moved to renton and [TS]

00:27:44   places far beyond tenant down here where [TS]

00:27:46   I'm living too but so Terrence moved and [TS]

00:27:50   the people that bought that house and [TS]

00:27:52   poured 500 grand into rebuilding the [TS]

00:27:56   fire-damaged where were the classic [TS]

00:28:01   couple a classic sort of white [TS]

00:28:06   satellites he is a psychiatrist and she [TS]

00:28:11   is a videographer a videographer the [TS]

00:28:16   ultimate job she do she video graphs [TS]

00:28:19   tables my job that is not a job [TS]

00:28:21   videographer whenever I open up the [TS]

00:28:24   sunday supplement in the in the seattle [TS]

00:28:28   times and they are featuring some new [TS]

00:28:31   architectural house on the lake you know [TS]

00:28:34   like all this is modern you know green [TS]

00:28:36   construction superloft with cheated poor [TS]

00:28:39   country like davidson did that I think [TS]

00:28:41   he built a very fancy like over-the-top [TS]

00:28:44   fancy has a blog about the building of [TS]

00:28:47   his crazy house on a lake [TS]

00:28:48   yeah and then as you read the [TS]

00:28:50   description one of those people [TS]

00:28:54   the husband or the wife is always a [TS]

00:28:56   videographer that is super interesting [TS]

00:28:58   which is code for who [TS]

00:29:01   rich parents who I think we get that [TS]

00:29:04   here with with things [TS]

00:29:07   who so there's this there's this really [TS]

00:29:09   unlistenable thing that they do on kqed [TS]

00:29:12   called perspectives where people do a [TS]

00:29:14   little five-minute editorial and there's [TS]

00:29:16   some people say they're really playing [TS]

00:29:17   Pachelbel's Canon sounds fun but now I [TS]

00:29:21   think it's like the Brandenburg [TS]

00:29:22   spreading her get checked for something [TS]

00:29:25   a little water music but they are but [TS]

00:29:28   it's theirs code i think in these I've [TS]

00:29:30   listened to these for so many years and [TS]

00:29:32   you know in our perspective from you [TS]

00:29:34   know it's always like a lady with a [TS]

00:29:36   hyphenated name and and and the and i [TS]

00:29:39   think there's there's code is code names [TS]

00:29:42   as code jobs you know job [TS]

00:29:45   yeah I mean it's funny because i like it [TS]

00:29:47   as somebody who has considered himself [TS]

00:29:48   from time to time a writer I i think a [TS]

00:29:51   lot of people a lot of people especially [TS]

00:29:53   professional journalists and authors [TS]

00:29:55   don't like the word writer because it [TS]

00:29:58   really doesn't tell you much about what [TS]

00:29:59   that person does professionally and I [TS]

00:30:01   think they look down their nose in the [TS]

00:30:03   same way that probably physician thinks [TS]

00:30:05   that somebody with a PhD in Medieval [TS]

00:30:07   Studies shouldn't call himself a doctor [TS]

00:30:08   right but I know when someone says that [TS]

00:30:11   they are a something like they are are a [TS]

00:30:14   writer [TS]

00:30:15   living in marin county uh-huh I think [TS]

00:30:17   that's the Marin County version where [TS]

00:30:19   there are no could be there potter like [TS]

00:30:21   I think that mr. Roxas like that's kind [TS]

00:30:23   of I think that's the our version of [TS]

00:30:25   videographer yeah he's a blogger she's a [TS]

00:30:28   ceramicist and here's a here's a spread [TS]

00:30:32   in Architectural Digest of their 11 [TS]

00:30:35   million dollar home they had a couple [TS]

00:30:36   investments that really really really [TS]

00:30:38   paid off so ceramicist you say that to [TS]

00:30:41   tell people parties when I meet people [TS]

00:30:42   at a party and I end and you get into [TS]

00:30:45   that la thing where they obviously want [TS]

00:30:46   to carry over status [TS]

00:30:49   yeah i would frequently tell people that [TS]

00:30:50   I'm a ceramic to say okay I was going to [TS]

00:30:54   have full fitness for some crazy plot [TS]

00:30:56   line for the bar is not so what he would [TS]

00:30:58   what do you do on mobile number producer [TS]

00:31:00   because everybody else is a producer [TS]

00:31:02   whatever the fuck that means I sell on [TS]

00:31:03   mia mama ceramicist and the nice thing [TS]

00:31:07   about that is i I don't really want to [TS]

00:31:09   try to describe to them what I do [TS]

00:31:11   because they wouldn't be interested [TS]

00:31:12   right now here's the beauty part if I [TS]

00:31:14   tell them I'm a ceramicist I gotta tell [TS]

00:31:16   ya like like seven out of ten times the [TS]

00:31:20   conversation ends because I got nothing [TS]

00:31:21   for that right that's right that's right [TS]

00:31:23   but they but you can sometimes be super [TS]

00:31:25   cool that goes with the fucking we are [TS]

00:31:27   obviously not a ceramicist and I'll say [TS]

00:31:29   is I make jokes on the internet is that [TS]

00:31:31   cool me too and you can have a [TS]

00:31:32   conversation with yeah it's right it's [TS]

00:31:34   it's a it's a great filter it's like a [TS]

00:31:36   cheese cloth that only the only the best [TS]

00:31:38   the best part of the wine gets through [TS]

00:31:41   food that's true it's like I it's like a [TS]

00:31:43   for employment decanting and now in the [TS]

00:31:46   nineties this this stopped being useful [TS]

00:31:48   as you can understand I used to tell [TS]

00:31:49   people it's what you do and i say i do [TS]

00:31:52   stuff with computers and that was plenty [TS]

00:31:54   to stop the conversation because nobody [TS]

00:31:56   cared you know even in the nineties even [TS]

00:31:59   the nineties you can see if I said if I [TS]

00:32:00   said I make things for the internet then [TS]

00:32:02   I would have had to listen to them talk [TS]

00:32:04   about you know keywords in AOL and stuff [TS]

00:32:06   like that but you say do things with [TS]

00:32:08   computers you know nobody cares i think [TS]

00:32:10   you said that to me and I was like next [TS]

00:32:12   site [TS]

00:32:13   yeah they were like but I love Sloan [TS]

00:32:15   back in love slow and you're like no no [TS]

00:32:19   I really loves loan you guys remind me [TS]

00:32:21   of Sloan and I was like a boy [TS]

00:32:23   yeah not compared you to a lot of fans [TS]

00:32:24   that you're not that crazy about now uu [TS]

00:32:27   rur see generous [TS]

00:32:28   thats better by the way that would be a [TS]

00:32:31   much better name than trebuchet so [TS]

00:32:34   generous ooh so so um I don't want to [TS]

00:32:37   provide too much triangulation here but [TS]

00:32:40   you've mentioned on a couple occasions [TS]

00:32:41   that a point not too long ago i'm [TS]

00:32:44   guessing the house on the other side [TS]

00:32:46   became kind of like a flophouse writer [TS]

00:32:49   became like a nut transient maybe but it [TS]

00:32:52   seemed like there was a lot of people [TS]

00:32:53   kind of coming in and out of that place [TS]

00:32:55   was at that house or the other side [TS]

00:32:57   yeah it is it was the house it was it [TS]

00:32:59   was the house on the other side the [TS]

00:33:00   house that that was formerly on buses [TS]

00:33:02   videographer the videographers are still [TS]

00:33:03   in Terrence's well no they then sold i [TS]

00:33:06   swear to you i am not kidding [TS]

00:33:08   they sold that house for nine hundred [TS]

00:33:11   thousand dollars to a guy to a French [TS]

00:33:17   guy who owns a restaurant and his wife [TS]

00:33:22   who is like a high of a big-shot lawyer [TS]

00:33:24   for nine hundred thousand dollars [TS]

00:33:28   this is a house that when Terrance owned [TS]

00:33:31   it was worth eighty thousand dollars and [TS]

00:33:32   we are talking about a span of 10 years [TS]

00:33:34   that is bananas totally bananas the [TS]

00:33:38   house on the other side is the biggest [TS]

00:33:40   house in the neighborhood some it's a [TS]

00:33:42   massive house owned by a Seattle cop who [TS]

00:33:46   grew up in the house with his seven [TS]

00:33:48   brothers and sisters and his father [TS]

00:33:51   owned a local service station and he was [TS]

00:33:56   one of these guys that he just sort of [TS]

00:33:57   be bought houses in the neighborhood as [TS]

00:33:59   they came up for sale because you could [TS]

00:34:00   I think even it as late as 1995 you [TS]

00:34:03   could buy a house in that neighborhood [TS]

00:34:04   for twenty thousand dollars LOL i like [TS]

00:34:07   maybe like a distressed property kind of [TS]

00:34:09   thing not even just like a result my [TS]

00:34:11   house $20,000 that's what houses were [TS]

00:34:13   worth nobody between state was just [TS]

00:34:15   nothing here for years [TS]

00:34:17   and so this guy that on the service [TS]

00:34:19   station he owned a lot of houses in the [TS]

00:34:21   neighborhood but this was the house [TS]

00:34:22   where they grew up and so the cob and [TS]

00:34:25   his family [TS]

00:34:28   I as the as the old man got crotch here [TS]

00:34:30   and crotch the air and the houses around [TS]

00:34:32   we're selling he was like I'm not [TS]

00:34:34   selling I'm never gonna sell that house [TS]

00:34:36   screw you and it wasn't putting any [TS]

00:34:39   money into it he but he didn't want to [TS]

00:34:41   sell it and they were renting it [TS]

00:34:43   there's a college nearby and they were [TS]

00:34:44   renting its students and little by [TS]

00:34:47   little it just got it was being rented [TS]

00:34:49   by ring quieran drinking your groups of [TS]

00:34:51   students because you know what you do is [TS]

00:34:53   you get a person that moves in then his [TS]

00:34:55   five friends move in and then four of [TS]

00:34:57   them move out to better places and the [TS]

00:35:00   rink easiest guy stays and this is this [TS]

00:35:02   is this is this is a very interesting [TS]

00:35:04   economic phenomenon like it's never [TS]

00:35:06   there's never going to be like a guy its [TS]

00:35:09   not gonna get better [TS]

00:35:10   it's not gonna be like the next guy who [TS]

00:35:11   comes in is the guy who always does the [TS]

00:35:13   dishes and trims the lawn it's always [TS]

00:35:15   going to move downward it's moving [TS]

00:35:16   downward as it was moving out of that [TS]

00:35:18   house is the way you move up exactly [TS]

00:35:20   moving out of it as like I'm not living [TS]

00:35:21   in a group house anymore where I have to [TS]

00:35:22   have a padlock on my door I'm i'm [TS]

00:35:25   getting up pick up on the roof just two [TS]

00:35:27   houses away to thousands of way so the [TS]

00:35:30   house the group in the house you know [TS]

00:35:32   got got worse and worse and worse until [TS]

00:35:34   it was the type of thing where you know [TS]

00:35:38   you would go over there four o'clock in [TS]

00:35:39   the morning they'd be in the backyard [TS]

00:35:41   like banging on 50 gallon drum set and [TS]

00:35:45   you could say it's for the fuck o'clock [TS]

00:35:48   in the fucking morning and they would [TS]

00:35:51   turn around and look at you like you [TS]

00:35:52   were crazy for coming over they ever buy [TS]

00:35:55   themselves a couple Marcia well so my [TS]

00:35:58   mom is my mom is real good at at the you [TS]

00:36:02   know managing situations like that and [TS]

00:36:04   they all love turn would do anything [TS]

00:36:05   she's anything she asked but my mom also [TS]

00:36:09   sleeps [TS]

00:36:10   she's one of these people who has a the [TS]

00:36:13   white noise maker who in a room quickly [TS]

00:36:17   big believer in that [TS]

00:36:19   so she turns white noise maker on and [TS]

00:36:21   you could they could be landing 747 on [TS]

00:36:23   the street and she would just be like to [TS]

00:36:25   do but i am not a white noise maker I am [TS]

00:36:29   a everybody in the neighborhood be [TS]

00:36:30   fucking quiet after a certain hour that [TS]

00:36:32   is my because you know what I'm here to [TS]

00:36:34   help people and one of the things I like [TS]

00:36:36   to do with college students is teach [TS]

00:36:37   them how to be members of society your [TS]

00:36:40   education starts when you walk off that [TS]

00:36:41   fucking campus [TS]

00:36:42   yeah that's right so i would not let you [TS]

00:36:44   sign it for me say John I think not say [TS]

00:36:46   too much but i think he did some of your [TS]

00:36:48   highest level thinking at three or four [TS]

00:36:50   in the morning i absolutely do be quiet [TS]

00:36:52   for that so I was over there regularly [TS]

00:36:54   it right up in people's faces like do [TS]

00:36:57   you know what time it is do you know how [TS]

00:37:00   little I care [TS]

00:37:02   we were scuffs I i tried out a whole lot [TS]

00:37:06   whole lot of different i would put on a [TS]

00:37:07   wizard hats okay sometimes I would dress [TS]

00:37:10   is a ring rate and from there [TS]

00:37:12   oh and uh and i would say I you [TS]

00:37:20   understand that no one that is older [TS]

00:37:23   than 18 years old cares that is st. [TS]

00:37:24   Patrick's Day [TS]

00:37:25   you understand that right it is not [TS]

00:37:27   actually a hot a real that singular [TS]

00:37:29   DeMaio is not actually a holiday you [TS]

00:37:31   understand that it's not even like [TS]

00:37:33   Valentine's Day it's just it's just a [TS]

00:37:35   shitty day for that was just circled on [TS]

00:37:38   the calendar of alcoholics in Mexico [TS]

00:37:40   they do not celebrate cinco DeMaio in [TS]

00:37:42   this way the only people in Mexico [TS]

00:37:43   celebrates cinco de mayo are people who [TS]

00:37:46   have lived in the United States and [TS]

00:37:47   brought it back that's not a holiday to [TS]

00:37:49   them it's not mexican independence day [TS]

00:37:51   you are making a mistake it's a day [TS]

00:37:53   commemorating the victory in one stupid [TS]

00:37:56   battle against some French and that no [TS]

00:38:00   less a lot of history great victories [TS]

00:38:03   against the French come on [TS]

00:38:05   except as your core and that was the [TS]

00:38:08   french against French and but I mean the [TS]

00:38:11   odds are pretty long on that when they [TS]

00:38:12   that was that was a pretty good one and [TS]

00:38:14   i'm i'm explaining this time explaining [TS]

00:38:16   this to people around a burning 57 carry [TS]

00:38:19   copy of Henry benefit with you at four [TS]

00:38:21   o'clock in the morning and you know and [TS]

00:38:24   there were a couple of times when I you [TS]

00:38:25   know I had to like grab a mallet out of [TS]

00:38:27   someone's hand and say I'm going to put [TS]

00:38:30   this up your ass [TS]

00:38:31   are they really hitting like dramas you [TS]

00:38:33   know what I mean it's like it's like it [TS]

00:38:35   i think i think they are living in a [TS]

00:38:37   part of the city where there a modern [TS]

00:38:41   primitive philosophy can really be put [TS]

00:38:43   into action because they've got three [TS]

00:38:45   heritage chickens back that they got the [TS]

00:38:49   sink stoppers they got six doctors in [TS]

00:38:51   there get six toppers in their ears they [TS]

00:38:52   got 300 chickens and you know and and [TS]

00:38:54   the Heritage chickens are going to last [TS]

00:38:56   exactly as long as it takes the records [TS]

00:38:58   to figure out how to pull the stick of [TS]

00:39:00   the latch and get into the chicken coop [TS]

00:39:04   and that's gonna be a bloodbath and [TS]

00:39:05   everybody's going to be sad because they [TS]

00:39:07   named the chickens and bring a friend [TS]

00:39:08   and you know and I'm over there like [TS]

00:39:11   trying to explain civics to them and [TS]

00:39:14   like do you see your college we can see [TS]

00:39:16   it from here do you see it's down the [TS]

00:39:18   street here [TS]

00:39:19   fuck you you're not on the college now [TS]

00:39:22   you are here in a tab where people are [TS]

00:39:24   living me included [TS]

00:39:26   I'm the mayor here and then at one of [TS]

00:39:29   these guys actually got a I've ken [TS]

00:39:30   stringfellow came over to my house one [TS]

00:39:32   day and some guy came out of that house [TS]

00:39:35   he was all hopped up on goofballs and [TS]

00:39:37   can in his way [TS]

00:39:39   made some off-the-cuff kind of a waspy [TS]

00:39:43   joke to this guy like oh I see you have [TS]

00:39:46   some stink sink stoppers interiors that [TS]

00:39:49   must be here when the when the feeling [TS]

00:39:52   you're trying to watch the dishes but [TS]

00:39:54   yeah well I whatever and this kid got [TS]

00:39:57   right up in Ken's face was screaming at [TS]

00:40:00   him and I was on the phone or something [TS]

00:40:02   and didn't didn't catch it in time and [TS]

00:40:05   it but the fight was averted but it had [TS]

00:40:08   a profound effect on can I it i don't [TS]

00:40:10   think it [TS]

00:40:11   I don't think someone had been in his [TS]

00:40:12   face screaming at him in many many years [TS]

00:40:14   and didn't know there were consequences [TS]

00:40:16   well can was used to living in a world [TS]

00:40:19   where a snarky like a snarky comment on [TS]

00:40:25   the side of your mouth who was enough to [TS]

00:40:27   devastate a room and everybody would go [TS]

00:40:29   home and think about their lives and [TS]

00:40:30   wonder you know if they if maybe they [TS]

00:40:33   should just give it all up you know ken [TS]

00:40:35   was used to like kind of owning his [TS]

00:40:38   university has that he has a lookup [TS]

00:40:40   presence for sure he's very smart guy [TS]

00:40:43   and a very [TS]

00:40:44   witty guy and he travels the world in a [TS]

00:40:48   in a kind of he travels the world in [TS]

00:40:50   such a way that everywhere he goes he is [TS]

00:40:52   surrounded by people who already love [TS]

00:40:54   ken stringfellow so he was not used to [TS]

00:40:56   confronting people in the world in this [TS]

00:40:59   way where he's just like oh i see that [TS]

00:41:01   you're behind the kids like what the [TS]

00:41:03   fuck did you just say to me and right on [TS]

00:41:05   his face and you know by the time I got [TS]

00:41:08   off my phone call and made it over there [TS]

00:41:10   it the damage had been done and I was [TS]

00:41:13   like hey this guy's a friend of mine [TS]

00:41:15   stop yelling at me in front of my house [TS]

00:41:16   you go over you go beyond drugs in your [TS]

00:41:19   front yard and the guys like well [TS]

00:41:21   alright but you know that you doing to [TS]

00:41:23   you know and can is like visibly like [TS]

00:41:27   shell-shocked like like the kid never [TS]

00:41:29   touched him but can't look like he had [TS]

00:41:31   been slapped with a kid gloves and it [TS]

00:41:33   was them [TS]

00:41:34   yeah it was a rough time in that [TS]

00:41:38   neighborhood because the transit [TS]

00:41:40   transitions can go a lot of different [TS]

00:41:41   ways and in this case it was [TS]

00:41:42   transitioning toward toward bad zone but [TS]

00:41:48   now that house I swear to you is home to [TS]

00:41:53   an entire bicycle polo team that's not [TS]

00:41:58   that's not a real thing [TS]

00:41:59   it is but it was invented in seattle [TS]

00:42:01   people play polo on old tennis courts on [TS]

00:42:06   their fixie bikes and it's the ferry and [TS]

00:42:09   so fucking angry right now very amazing [TS]

00:42:12   sport to watch but it i think it's [TS]

00:42:14   sweeping the nation if it's not sweeping [TS]

00:42:15   the nation it's only because the nation [TS]

00:42:17   it cannot cannot handle the truth it's [TS]

00:42:20   coming today special attire and little [TS]

00:42:22   helmets or anything [TS]

00:42:23   um it you know it is a it's a variation [TS]

00:42:27   on bicycle messenger culture which [TS]

00:42:29   already has its own set of kind of [TS]

00:42:31   modern primitives slashgear head / vegan [TS]

00:42:34   occupywallstreet going to put willfully [TS]

00:42:38   willfully filthy yeah it's a kind of [TS]

00:42:41   it's a kind of like gutter punks who are [TS]

00:42:43   not so committed to the cause that they [TS]

00:42:45   actually want to live in a gutter like [TS]

00:42:47   they want running white totally buy that [TS]

00:42:49   when people are 18 or 19 [TS]

00:42:51   I just when I see people in the 40 [TS]

00:42:52   surgery and that just makes me sad [TS]

00:42:54   well these guys are all in their life [TS]

00:42:55   that I I suspect they're in their [TS]

00:42:57   twenties and there's like it's like it's [TS]

00:42:58   like the guy in his forties who comes to [TS]

00:43:00   a punk rock shelf said I say that as a [TS]

00:43:02   guy in his forties but when that there [TS]

00:43:04   was this one guy this one [TS]

00:43:05   skinhead in tampa who would come to all [TS]

00:43:08   the hardcore shows and he was like it's [TS]

00:43:10   30 easily thirties probably he just [TS]

00:43:11   seemed ancient and it was just always [TS]

00:43:13   like you know that guy with the converse [TS]

00:43:16   you know now I wonder about this Merlin [TS]

00:43:18   because my all through my teens and [TS]

00:43:21   twenties and even thirties there were [TS]

00:43:24   those guys that haunted the outskirts [TS]

00:43:26   order of the music scene and sometimes [TS]

00:43:29   like managed to get themselves you know [TS]

00:43:31   they're always real friendly people and [TS]

00:43:32   the magical insinuate themselves into [TS]

00:43:34   kind of close to the center of of [TS]

00:43:38   certain little will adjunct rock scenes [TS]

00:43:42   these guys who are like who are [TS]

00:43:45   conspicuously too old to still be dying [TS]

00:43:48   their hair conspicuously too old to [TS]

00:43:51   still be wearing bell-bottoms and I i [TS]

00:43:55   remember all through my my youth in rock [TS]

00:43:59   you feeling that mixture that you're [TS]

00:44:01   talking about that same mixture kind of [TS]

00:44:02   pity and contempt for these guys was [TS]

00:44:05   like really are you serious what are you [TS]

00:44:07   doing here [TS]

00:44:08   shouldn't you be working in a bank or [TS]

00:44:12   something like that maybe being an adult [TS]

00:44:14   someone yeah right [TS]

00:44:15   and now that i'm 44 I don't what was [TS]

00:44:21   clear about these people was that they [TS]

00:44:23   did not have they were not seeing [TS]

00:44:26   themselves in the mirror you know they [TS]

00:44:28   look at themselves in the mirror may be [TS]

00:44:29   like haha you think insisted that they [TS]

00:44:31   didn't care i don't know i honestly [TS]

00:44:34   don't know like whenever i see I i [TS]

00:44:36   tweeted about this not very long ago [TS]

00:44:37   whenever I see a man my age wearing paul [TS]

00:44:40   weller haircuts [TS]

00:44:42   I'm like no no don't especially off like [TS]

00:44:45   frosted tips you are not mod now you are [TS]

00:44:48   fewer in your 40 sir stop having your [TS]

00:44:51   hair done that way that is not [TS]

00:44:53   appropriate but you see these guys [TS]

00:44:55   they're like you know they've got it [TS]

00:44:57   they've got a 19-inch neck and there [TS]

00:44:59   were having a paul weller haircut there [TS]

00:45:01   and they're wearing clothes that only [TS]

00:45:03   fit on someone with a 29 inch waist and [TS]

00:45:06   the thing is what they don't realize is [TS]

00:45:08   that first of all paul weller today he [TS]

00:45:09   looks super fucking cool he looks great [TS]

00:45:12   he's like nick lowe he like he is he's a [TS]

00:45:14   cool looking old guy that looks like [TS]

00:45:15   he's carved out of wood [TS]

00:45:17   well yeah like maybe some driftwood but [TS]

00:45:19   that's what was that guys thinking with [TS]

00:45:22   his own body [TS]

00:45:23   miss dysphoria is what is called he [TS]

00:45:25   thinks he looks like Pato held her but [TS]

00:45:27   it doesn't realize he's actually closer [TS]

00:45:28   to Elton John yeah yeah he looks like he [TS]

00:45:31   looks like a large client that someone [TS]

00:45:37   pasted pubic hair oh yeah and what about [TS]

00:45:41   what I did what I'm afraid of is that I [TS]

00:45:44   have a similar like I am 44 44 and I go [TS]

00:45:51   to rock shows and I stand there with the [TS]

00:45:54   with a look of the only builds contempt [TS]

00:45:58   for everybody and I have a and i cut my [TS]

00:46:00   own hair and i'm wearing some dopey [TS]

00:46:03   hipster glasses and i don't know if i [TS]

00:46:06   look like i am which is the coolest guy [TS]

00:46:10   in the town or whether i look like maybe [TS]

00:46:14   I actually am which is a big dumb dope [TS]

00:46:18   forty-four-year-old hanging out in a [TS]

00:46:19   rock club who should be working in a [TS]

00:46:21   bank by now i cannot idea i cannot say [TS]

00:46:24   for sure I I would never want to try to [TS]

00:46:26   talk you out of a painful experience in [TS]

00:46:29   self-realization because I i said i get [TS]

00:46:32   the sense that that's a valuable journey [TS]

00:46:34   for you i enjoyed this very much the [TS]

00:46:36   first of all I think we should stipulate [TS]

00:46:38   that there are various types of two old [TS]

00:46:40   guy at a rock show [TS]

00:46:42   there are everything seems to be almost [TS]

00:46:44   every community has a savant are or or [TS]

00:46:51   some kind of a like super fan that [TS]

00:46:53   everybody knows is probably a little bit [TS]

00:46:55   autistic or such a tradition and you [TS]

00:46:58   know he gets to sing along on stage he's [TS]

00:47:01   been to every show every yeah [TS]

00:47:03   yep yeah i mean he's he becomes like a [TS]

00:47:05   mascot that everybody kind of tolerates [TS]

00:47:08   there's there's there's certainly there [TS]

00:47:10   certainly can't be i'm thinking of [TS]

00:47:11   almost like Matthew McConaughey and days [TS]

00:47:13   to confused there there is that kind of [TS]

00:47:15   predator feeling character right but [TS]

00:47:18   again I don't want to talk about it but [TS]

00:47:20   obviously John I think [TS]

00:47:21   you are an elder statesman of that [TS]

00:47:24   entire community people look to you for [TS]

00:47:26   guidance and wisdom that makes me feel [TS]

00:47:27   better and i think i think one direction [TS]

00:47:30   to take it is that really you are there [TS]

00:47:32   to to have that look on your face and to [TS]

00:47:35   make people really think about whether [TS]

00:47:37   they should be on stage at all m1 or [TS]

00:47:40   yeah i don't know i mean maybe enough [TS]

00:47:42   for every show but I mean the thing is [TS]

00:47:43   these kids need leadership and you know [TS]

00:47:45   that they're basically there are two [TS]

00:47:46   months away from being in a backyard [TS]

00:47:48   playing on fucking drums yeah you're [TS]

00:47:50   right you know a lot of them just shits [TS]

00:47:51   not an appropriate to be in a bit and [TS]

00:47:53   you know and here's the other thing now [TS]

00:47:54   a lot of these people today they have [TS]

00:47:55   completely inexplicable haircuts that [TS]

00:47:57   that's true that maybe somebody in [TS]

00:47:59   England should have for a little while [TS]

00:48:00   before a wise up at the front of big [TS]

00:48:02   problem with the frosted the frosting I [TS]

00:48:04   don't like the frosting it takes too [TS]

00:48:06   long not the frosting on the beer but [TS]

00:48:07   the frosting on the tips not a fan [TS]

00:48:09   one of the things that I I feel one of [TS]

00:48:11   my jobs in seattle is to demonstrate to [TS]

00:48:14   people younger people how to the [TS]

00:48:17   appropriate way to wear corduroy and [TS]

00:48:19   tweed uh-huh [TS]

00:48:21   because you see a lot of people there [TS]

00:48:22   like corduroy tweed and then I get it [TS]

00:48:26   all wrong [TS]

00:48:27   you're like a beer like a professor of [TS]

00:48:28   corduroy it seems like you have you see [TS]

00:48:30   subtlety and you feel in that in that in [TS]

00:48:32   that whistling like you either something [TS]

00:48:35   there's something there that you are [TS]

00:48:37   tuned into that other people are just [TS]

00:48:38   playing with you must see that sometimes [TS]

00:48:40   ago that the costume you're wearing [TS]

00:48:41   corduroy appropriately [TS]

00:48:42   yeah if you're if you if you are [TS]

00:48:44   properly wearing a corduroy blazer the [TS]

00:48:46   tips of your lapels should curl up a [TS]

00:48:49   little bit from where the jacket has [TS]

00:48:52   been rained on multiple times so if your [TS]

00:48:55   lapels are lying flat we can see that [TS]

00:48:57   you've never worn in the rain this [TS]

00:48:59   immediately calls me out as a corduroy [TS]

00:49:00   piker because I I think I is I don't [TS]

00:49:04   this ping-pong but I i feel like i would [TS]

00:49:06   be worried you are corduroy and they're [TS]

00:49:08   not worried but I would be would be [TS]

00:49:09   concerning to me I would work i would [TS]

00:49:11   want to have a shell over the corduroy [TS]

00:49:12   and you're telling me that that's this [TS]

00:49:14   is this is like you're just you're [TS]

00:49:16   working it in when you're there you [TS]

00:49:17   don't wear corduroy and your tweet in [TS]

00:49:19   the rain [TS]

00:49:20   you're not wearing it does not make you [TS]

00:49:21   smell like a saint bernard absolutely [TS]

00:49:24   ok absofuckinlutely if you live in [TS]

00:49:26   scandal and you don't smell like a saint [TS]

00:49:28   bernard then you're too precious [TS]

00:49:30   you're not doing it right Oh [TS]

00:49:32   also if you live in Seattle and you wear [TS]

00:49:34   suede of any kind [TS]

00:49:37   it had better look like you just escaped [TS]

00:49:40   from a fire [TS]

00:49:41   you know what I mean like suede is not [TS]

00:49:44   an appropriate fabric for the Northwest [TS]

00:49:46   because at any moment a squall might [TS]

00:49:50   like knock you off the dock huh [TS]

00:49:53   you can't have the power goes out mob [TS]

00:49:55   rule [TS]

00:49:56   I think you're going to be wearing an [TS]

00:49:57   inappropriate clothes you're wearing a [TS]

00:49:59   jacket that needs to be brushed now give [TS]

00:50:01   me a break [TS]

00:50:02   so you can wear spider in Seattle it [TS]

00:50:04   just has to look like it has to look [TS]

00:50:06   like somebody somebody just like cut the [TS]

00:50:11   head off a cow with a with a like that [TS]

00:50:15   scene in Apocalypse Now [TS]

00:50:17   boom yeah not a cow and oxen oxen you [TS]

00:50:20   like someone someone who had to have [TS]

00:50:22   just chopped an ox with a machete and [TS]

00:50:25   cut sleeves in it right in front and [TS]

00:50:27   then yeah right and and made us wear a [TS]

00:50:30   jacket that's the only way that's the [TS]

00:50:32   only way you can wear suede this this [TS]

00:50:33   this this is probably as good a time as [TS]

00:50:35   any for me to bring this up because you [TS]

00:50:36   recall that when i was in Seattle with a [TS]

00:50:39   couple weeks ago remember about those [TS]

00:50:41   dad's shoes about comfortable dad shoes [TS]

00:50:43   yes you did and never any fun because my [TS]

00:50:45   large toe box right but here's the thing [TS]

00:50:48   that everybody made fun of you i thought [TS]

00:50:50   they were I thought they were perfectly [TS]

00:50:51   she's driving a little frustrating that [TS]

00:50:53   they they they didn't check out my feet [TS]

00:50:55   with the product device they had me [TS]

00:50:56   stand on a computer and the guy gave me [TS]

00:50:58   some notes on my posture a computer [TS]

00:51:00   Braddock device of any you talk about [TS]

00:51:02   your posture [TS]

00:51:03   oh yeah here's the thing you go to this [TS]

00:51:05   place and I think they've got a good [TS]

00:51:06   selection there which I'm gonna come [TS]

00:51:08   back to but is well let me just check [TS]

00:51:10   the let's have a look and check out your [TS]

00:51:12   shoe size [TS]

00:51:13   okay so far so good and also this is a [TS]

00:51:15   little better than it did you have it [TS]

00:51:16   was his tongue pierce who had a Capitol [TS]

00:51:19   Hill impediment and and and so I stood [TS]

00:51:22   on this thing and i saw what looked like [TS]

00:51:24   a functional MRI and when people said [TS]

00:51:27   well you do you do tell us a little bit [TS]

00:51:29   to the left me some I don't know haha i [TS]

00:51:32   said and so there's a dress to the right [TS]

00:51:34   right you have to like I just I i just [TS]

00:51:36   left which is a little unconventional i [TS]

00:51:37   think but then we brought up the shoes [TS]

00:51:39   he also brought some orthotics you know [TS]

00:51:42   I mean that looks like a doctor [TS]

00:51:44   i mean that's like that's like a when [TS]

00:51:46   you bring up valid show lady some makeup [TS]

00:51:48   you also give her a car with a Botox [TS]

00:51:50   person on it like I don't want to show [TS]

00:51:51   me your thoughts but anyway long story [TS]

00:51:53   short I ended up buying these dad's [TS]

00:51:55   shoes because they're supposedly like [TS]

00:51:57   good in the rain but can I tell you what [TS]

00:52:00   I first held in my hand and almost [TS]

00:52:02   bought was was your brand was the the [TS]

00:52:07   Clarks i might my wife likes your shoes [TS]

00:52:12   and she has been encouraging me I at one [TS]

00:52:13   point I know you you got free Clark's [TS]

00:52:15   memory serves and I said I said to the [TS]

00:52:17   guy these these desert boots or whatever [TS]

00:52:19   they're called become chukka boots when [TS]

00:52:20   i was a kid i said these don't fare so [TS]

00:52:23   well in the rain he's looking into no [TS]

00:52:24   you do not want to wear those in the [TS]

00:52:26   rain now but you okay so here's the [TS]

00:52:28   thing tell me tell me about this is part [TS]

00:52:30   of the larger apocalypse weighed like [TS]

00:52:32   you just get used to those things being [TS]

00:52:34   all beat up and shoot your feet being [TS]

00:52:36   with yeah this is the thing I mean now I [TS]

00:52:39   understand there are cultures in America [TS]

00:52:41   where you wear white tennis shoes and [TS]

00:52:43   you clean them with a toothbrush every [TS]

00:52:45   night but in in in my opinion in seattle [TS]

00:52:50   if you are going to wear some Clark's [TS]

00:52:53   that are made out of suede they're gonna [TS]

00:52:56   look like shit after a while but looking [TS]

00:53:00   like shit is a wonderful way to look [TS]

00:53:04   great if you can if you do it with style [TS]

00:53:08   and authenticity [TS]

00:53:09   that's right if you look a little bit [TS]

00:53:11   like I mean this is ultimately a large [TS]

00:53:15   portion of what we consider [TS]

00:53:15   american-style by which i mean Tommy [TS]

00:53:18   Hilfiger and ralph lauren and all these [TS]

00:53:20   kind of a classic men's stylist in [TS]

00:53:24   America they are they are 100-percent [TS]

00:53:27   stealing English mens style and just [TS]

00:53:32   stealing whole cloth bring it to America [TS]

00:53:34   and making it a little craft her a [TS]

00:53:37   little just more base and then selling [TS]

00:53:41   it to the masses and everybody in [TS]

00:53:43   America and everybody in japan for that [TS]

00:53:44   matter [TS]

00:53:45   we're all dressing like English country [TS]

00:53:48   gentleman who accept with her but isn't [TS]

00:53:53   sure the temperature-dependent sons of [TS]

00:53:54   Industrialists yeah it was weird we are [TS]

00:53:57   we are dressing like people who are [TS]

00:53:59   walking over our state with a couple of [TS]

00:54:04   golden retrievers following us with a [TS]

00:54:06   double-barrel shotgun in the crook of [TS]

00:54:08   our arm waiting for a pheasant to take [TS]

00:54:10   flight like everybody in the country [TS]

00:54:12   like preppy is just a version of this [TS]

00:54:15   American prep is just a version of [TS]

00:54:18   English country [TS]

00:54:19   well my feeling about it is that english [TS]

00:54:23   country is a great what is a great [TS]

00:54:25   jumping-off point for fashion but you [TS]

00:54:27   have to actually look like you're [TS]

00:54:29   walking across a muddy field with two [TS]

00:54:31   golden retrievers behind you with the [TS]

00:54:34   widow with a with a rain falling on you [TS]

00:54:36   like if you if you try and look for [TS]

00:54:38   trying to look to groom if you try and [TS]

00:54:39   protect your suede shoes against the [TS]

00:54:41   ring you are being a fop it is the it is [TS]

00:54:45   the wrong that is wrong by my standards [TS]

00:54:48   but then again i have never ironed shirt [TS]

00:54:51   when somebody shows me an iron i always [TS]

00:54:56   think 'what is this is this thing [TS]

00:55:01   why would you why would you why would [TS]

00:55:02   you have certainly not the kind of thing [TS]

00:55:04   you would want to have to depend on it's [TS]

00:55:06   heavy it's unwieldy its sharp it's hot [TS]

00:55:08   and you don't have to drag that around [TS]

00:55:09   with you in order to feel like a [TS]

00:55:10   gentleman you know a friend of mine took [TS]

00:55:13   his girlfriend camping in the in the [TS]

00:55:15   olympic national forest a few years ago [TS]

00:55:19   and she was a sort of a city girl and [TS]

00:55:23   not used to this experience but he was [TS]

00:55:25   trying to bring her into his way of [TS]

00:55:26   thinking like I'm outdoorsy guy i'm a [TS]

00:55:29   camper like come with me I'll show you [TS]

00:55:31   what it's like and she he shows up at [TS]

00:55:35   her house to pick her up and she has a [TS]

00:55:37   suitcase [TS]

00:55:37   first of all it's like okay alright baby [TS]

00:55:42   steps he puts the suitcase in the trunk [TS]

00:55:45   they drive out to the forest and he [TS]

00:55:47   realizes you know that he is he's gonna [TS]

00:55:50   have to carry the suitcase to the [TS]

00:55:51   campsite but it's he's breaking it's a [TS]

00:55:55   it's a it's a gradual thing is it's kind [TS]

00:55:57   of almost car camping they're going to [TS]

00:55:58   drive into the [TS]

00:55:59   parking lot and just I just have to walk [TS]

00:56:01   a little ways to their campsite make [TS]

00:56:03   multiple trips to the car [TS]

00:56:04   yeah but that without any inconvenience [TS]

00:56:06   so he's okay he's okay with the suitcase [TS]

00:56:09   so we carry the suitcase they set up a [TS]

00:56:11   tent build a fire and she opens her [TS]

00:56:14   suitcase and she is packed a hairdryer [TS]

00:56:17   ok dad and to me that is that is how i [TS]

00:56:26   feel about a clothes iron everyday even [TS]

00:56:29   living in a house like I see a clothes [TS]

00:56:32   iron and I just feel like that is like [TS]

00:56:33   bringing a hair dryer on a camping trip [TS]

00:56:35   think there's something slightly sweet [TS]

00:56:37   about that was incredibly sweet and i [TS]

00:56:40   think that those two are married now and [TS]

00:56:43   and I've lived happily ever after and [TS]

00:56:45   it's a wonderful example of like I'm [TS]

00:56:49   opposites attract [TS]

00:56:50   this here's what I was so first of all [TS]

00:56:52   in addition to the fact that reminds me [TS]

00:56:53   of that very sweet movie [TS]

00:56:55   Moonrise Kingdom it it also makes you [TS]

00:56:57   think of what I wouldn't want so he's [TS]

00:56:59   Johnny outdoorsy so the first of all he [TS]

00:57:01   did it sounds like he didn't ask her [TS]

00:57:02   what she wanted to do right well but i [TS]

00:57:05   think they I think up until that she was [TS]

00:57:07   into it up until that point he had been [TS]

00:57:09   catering to her desire x SI fancy meals [TS]

00:57:12   and go to go to go dancing at the Oscars [TS]

00:57:15   she's really more like a cat and this [TS]

00:57:17   was this was one of these like hey let's [TS]

00:57:19   not let me show you what i like to do [TS]

00:57:21   you know and i think i think they have [TS]

00:57:23   met i think they have made it work [TS]

00:57:25   I that this was not a story trying to [TS]

00:57:28   poop on their romantic [TS]

00:57:29   no no no butBut I'm I guess here's what [TS]

00:57:32   I wouldn't want to see is somebody who [TS]

00:57:34   goes to rei and spends $1,500 on gear [TS]

00:57:40   right that without even know just in so [TS]

00:57:44   she opens up her and her i don't even [TS]

00:57:47   know my name in north face North back [TS]

00:57:49   even though they can't be trusted [TS]

00:57:51   yeah and it's full of brand-new [TS]

00:57:52   patagonia everything brand-new and [TS]

00:57:55   there's like three different kinds of [TS]

00:57:56   shoes for different we're obviously they [TS]

00:57:59   realized they had one on the line [TS]

00:58:01   yeah right that re is super nice to [TS]

00:58:03   about a jacket i really liked that rei [TS]

00:58:06   that's a nice sorry I you know I [TS]

00:58:08   that's like the flagship rei right it is [TS]

00:58:11   yeah and i've been a member of rei since [TS]

00:58:13   1977 and my dad was a member of rei the [TS]

00:58:16   very very beginning that he was you know [TS]

00:58:19   in the first handful of people that [TS]

00:58:21   joined rei and I feel like REI has [TS]

00:58:26   become a place that I don't recognize I [TS]

00:58:28   mean I used to I used to buy everything [TS]

00:58:30   there and now I go into rei and I walk [TS]

00:58:32   around and everything is supposed every [TS]

00:58:34   everything is trying to wick sweat off [TS]

00:58:36   of me like I you know I oh I'll touch [TS]

00:58:39   your garment and that's why did they [TS]

00:58:41   call my wife now she runs she was what [TS]

00:58:43   she calls technicals yeah just got your [TS]

00:58:45   uncle's upward yes like stop waking me I [TS]

00:58:47   don't want to be wickd I want to have a [TS]

00:58:49   i wanna have a coat and the code is like [TS]

00:58:51   no no I have all these technology I have [TS]

00:58:54   this I'm you know wicking is the least [TS]

00:58:57   of the things i'm gonna do to you I'm [TS]

00:58:59   like I don't want to coat to do things [TS]

00:59:01   to me i just want a jacket that has that [TS]

00:59:03   as snaps and they're like no we don't [TS]

00:59:05   use snaps anymore we use this high-tech [TS]

00:59:09   polypropylene velcro that never get out [TS]

00:59:13   of my polypropylene back velcro that [TS]

00:59:15   doesn't make any sense i want a button [TS]

00:59:18   give me a fucking button on my coat no [TS]

00:59:20   no we don't need we don't have that [TS]

00:59:21   anymore because when here because when [TS]

00:59:23   you're summiting Everest after running a [TS]

00:59:26   like a triple marathon you're going to [TS]

00:59:29   be perspiring you don't we need to with [TS]

00:59:31   that sweat off of you [TS]

00:59:32   I'm like that's not what I'm wearing [TS]

00:59:33   this jacket for i'm not going to summit [TS]

00:59:35   Everest and no one who buys it is all [TS]

00:59:38   that they did they I think they get this [TS]

00:59:41   is just my moment as somebody who is an [TS]

00:59:42   outsider who is not there in 1977 I [TS]

00:59:45   think they are heavily trained to make [TS]

00:59:47   you feel like you're fucking [TS]

00:59:48   surrendering Hillary yeah when you go in [TS]

00:59:51   there or maybe maybe tenzing norgay like [TS]

00:59:53   you're supposed to really feel like [TS]

00:59:55   you're going to do something very [TS]

00:59:56   important and we're supposed to feel [TS]

00:59:58   like tenzing norgay he was [TS]

00:59:58   like tenzing norgay he was [TS]

01:00:00   you know he was working he did all the [TS]

01:00:01   heavy lifting right he did he had a [TS]

01:00:03   sense that you I heard hurt sir edmund [TS]

01:00:05   hillary was a hardy guy but really it [TS]

01:00:07   was it was tensing I don't think that [TS]

01:00:09   you can get to the top of Everest even [TS]

01:00:11   now even even the even now that there's [TS]

01:00:14   a quad lift to the top of Everest for [TS]

01:00:17   rich ladies I think you can have a [TS]

01:00:19   Sherpa carry you [TS]

01:00:20   I think you still need to be kind of a [TS]

01:00:22   badass to get up there [TS]

01:00:23   I don't care I don't you know yeah I [TS]

01:00:25   read into the void or whatever but but [TS]

01:00:28   you still have to be pretty tough but [TS]

01:00:29   but yeah the Sherpas like they go up and [TS]

01:00:32   down that mountain we didn't need [TS]

01:00:33   wicking he didn't mean it like a funny [TS]

01:00:36   hat a smile [TS]

01:00:37   here's the thing you go in and I think [TS]

01:00:38   this is it's all it's all a very it [TS]

01:00:41   again it's like pole-dancing you go in [TS]

01:00:43   there and you are part of a transaction [TS]

01:00:44   where both of you know what's going on [TS]

01:00:47   even if you're not admitting and so you [TS]

01:00:48   go in there and you're like you know [TS]

01:00:50   you're Johnny fleece fast and you're [TS]

01:00:52   likely to get some technical gear for [TS]

01:00:53   some extensive camping i'm going to be [TS]

01:00:55   you know walking a quarter of a mile [TS]

01:00:57   from my land rover I'm gonna be sitting [TS]

01:00:59   on the tailgate of my bulbo and eating [TS]

01:01:00   and eating and eating soy off dogs [TS]

01:01:04   yeah and so I think this plays straight [TS]

01:01:06   into the systems that they sell you know [TS]

01:01:08   the guy together that guy who want to [TS]

01:01:10   sell my orthotics I think he's used to [TS]

01:01:12   get offering people a sweet like I never [TS]

01:01:15   let him get to the socks but their socks [TS]

01:01:17   too so today I'm sure you're aware of [TS]

01:01:18   this at these places you go in there and [TS]

01:01:20   they knowing that there's a story that [TS]

01:01:23   you want to tell yourself [TS]

01:01:24   they can convince you that you owe it to [TS]

01:01:26   yourself to buy this multi-layered [TS]

01:01:29   clothing system fucking jacket you buy a [TS]

01:01:32   system right so you start out with this [TS]

01:01:34   weekend Material you buy a fucking [TS]

01:01:36   fifty-dollar t-shirt so it a wick and it [TS]

01:01:39   alarm zip off and the pant legs up off [TS]

01:01:41   John it's a tactical shirt in case [TS]

01:01:43   you're in the jungle [TS]

01:01:44   yeah right exactly exactly and so but [TS]

01:01:47   you go in there and and like that [TS]

01:01:49   they're dancing on a pole and you're [TS]

01:01:50   throwing out the singles and and you [TS]

01:01:52   walk out of there you run your card and [TS]

01:01:54   you walk out of there and you get to [TS]

01:01:55   really feel like you've got somewhere [TS]

01:01:57   very rugged your carabiners are going to [TS]

01:01:59   be very important even though you mostly [TS]

01:02:01   use it for the keys to fall though it's [TS]

01:02:03   so annoying and it's why i have if i buy [TS]

01:02:06   any new clothes new outdoor clothes now [TS]

01:02:08   I I just buy them filson filson is [TS]

01:02:11   another Seattle [TS]

01:02:12   a Seattle company and they were founded [TS]

01:02:16   to provide outfitting gear for the [TS]

01:02:20   original like people going to Alaska and [TS]

01:02:23   mine gold the original chilkoot [TS]

01:02:25   charlie's who were leaving to go you [TS]

01:02:28   know at the turn of the century to go [TS]

01:02:29   mine gold in Canada filson made them all [TS]

01:02:34   their wool blankets and hats and jackets [TS]

01:02:36   and filson is this company where they [TS]

01:02:38   still their their their flagship product [TS]

01:02:41   is a pair of canvas pants that have been [TS]

01:02:44   have been dipped in cold wax it's a wax [TS]

01:02:49   wax pants and you put these pants on and [TS]

01:02:53   it's very uncomfortable they feel like [TS]

01:02:55   they are made out of wet galvanized tin [TS]

01:02:58   and the lawyer you are these pants the [TS]

01:03:03   more they conform to you and you can you [TS]

01:03:06   can actually go sit in a mud puddle and [TS]

01:03:10   everybody here you got your pan [TS]

01:03:12   yeah you got you that's right you got [TS]

01:03:14   your pan and you're sifting for your [TS]

01:03:16   parents loose you guys whatever that is [TS]

01:03:18   you gotta schedule sluice and you are [TS]

01:03:20   singing a mud puddle in these pants and [TS]

01:03:22   let me tell you [TS]

01:03:23   berlin having sat in many mud puddles in [TS]

01:03:26   these pants [TS]

01:03:27   you are not comfortable huh the pants [TS]

01:03:30   are impregnated with cold wax and that [TS]

01:03:33   does not feel good and in a cold puddle [TS]

01:03:36   you feel not that great but you you are [TS]

01:03:41   as you are as God intended [TS]

01:03:43   nothing is working there is no nothing [TS]

01:03:46   is flicking or or unsticking there's no [TS]

01:03:50   ventilation of any kind you are there [TS]

01:03:53   doesn't say the wax pants don't breathe [TS]

01:03:55   the wax pits the wax pants don't breathe [TS]

01:03:58   you are not meant to wash them the care [TS]

01:04:00   the care of a little sad all you need is [TS]

01:04:03   a minute and hoes [TS]

01:04:04   yeah the care tag on the thing says [TS]

01:04:06   don't watch the interlocking whatever [TS]

01:04:07   you don't put them in the dryer don't [TS]

01:04:09   iron them feel alone I'm alone like if [TS]

01:04:12   they get dirty [TS]

01:04:13   the next time you wear them that dirt [TS]

01:04:15   will provide an extra layer of [TS]

01:04:17   protection you know and it it's a so [TS]

01:04:21   anyway filson is the they have not [TS]

01:04:23   succumbed yet [TS]

01:04:24   and then this wax and [TS]

01:04:26   ignited canvas they used to make [TS]

01:04:28   suitcases they use it to make anything [TS]

01:04:30   basically indicated by a blank they take [TS]

01:04:33   things that other people sell that the [TS]

01:04:36   kinds of things you can buy at a store [TS]

01:04:37   and they just dipped in wax yeah you get [TS]

01:04:39   a wax cup probably you get 1i think you [TS]

01:04:42   might be able to get a wax cup doesn't [TS]

01:04:43   they also have a wall they don't tip the [TS]

01:04:45   woman wax because wall already has wax [TS]

01:04:49   in it [TS]

01:04:50   lana ly oh i see that you got an organic [TS]

01:04:54   land from the sea and organic wax it [TS]

01:04:58   doesn't need to you know so that the [TS]

01:04:59   carrier the care instructions of these [TS]

01:05:01   things and things in the northwest when [TS]

01:05:03   you go out and you see a guy like a [TS]

01:05:06   telephone lineman or electric lineman [TS]

01:05:09   who's up a pole or a guy whose job it is [TS]

01:05:12   is just all winter long stand knee-deep [TS]

01:05:15   in water with a shovel in his hand a lot [TS]

01:05:18   of these guys the young guys are all [TS]

01:05:21   wearing you know probably Healy Hanson a [TS]

01:05:25   fishing gear or or budget northface [TS]

01:05:28   crapolla has a healing and yachting [TS]

01:05:31   jacket yeah that's that's good i guess i [TS]

01:05:34   like it's got like a bill the special [TS]

01:05:35   sleep to put a rope through let's talk a [TS]

01:05:37   lot line but like the the 57 year old [TS]

01:05:41   black dude who has been of who's been [TS]

01:05:42   alignment right for 30 years in the [TS]

01:05:45   northwest he is wearing filson head to [TS]

01:05:47   toe and that's how you know that he is a [TS]

01:05:51   heart that he's hardcore that's how you [TS]

01:05:53   know he's the real deal when I see guys [TS]

01:05:55   when I see like older than me guys in [TS]

01:05:57   filson around here I'm like mhm mhm i [TS]

01:06:01   tried to give him a fist bump and most [TS]

01:06:02   of the time they won't accept it now [TS]

01:06:03   let's shake hands like a gentleman [TS]

01:06:05   yeah they're like what the fuck are you [TS]

01:06:06   doing John I don't know where to begin [TS]

01:06:07   well I don't know why for some reason [TS]

01:06:09   maybe it's just being near you i want to [TS]

01:06:11   buy clothes [TS]

01:06:12   yeah and I outfit myself when I come to [TS]

01:06:14   seattle i don't know why i'm not a big [TS]

01:06:15   clothes shopper i Doan five pairs of [TS]

01:06:17   Levi's 501 and that is it you know now i [TS]

01:06:21   think i think i should get just a small [TS]

01:06:22   amount of credit at the appropriate [TS]

01:06:24   authenticity level for how how I where [TS]

01:06:26   the fuck out of some 50 ones i don't [TS]

01:06:28   watch them for six months I just think [TS]

01:06:30   you do I sleep in it for the first five [TS]

01:06:32   nights [TS]

01:06:32   yeah and and I don't take my little take [TS]

01:06:34   them off you have your you have your [TS]

01:06:36   space pen in your wallet and your of [TS]

01:06:38   your keys or whatever and a single take [TS]

01:06:41   your pants off and stand in the corner [TS]

01:06:43   yeah you can see the outline of your [TS]

01:06:44   space pen in your wallet where they have [TS]

01:06:46   been worn in yeah now the pair that I'm [TS]

01:06:49   wearing today i'll send you a photograph [TS]

01:06:50   of these they're just shy of the crotch [TS]

01:06:53   blowing out so have the pocket on the [TS]

01:06:55   right side is blown out because nothing [TS]

01:06:56   is pants will will tell a story about [TS]

01:06:58   your life that's true whether you like [TS]

01:07:00   it or not it will show you that where [TS]

01:07:02   you carry in your case my case my iphone [TS]

01:07:05   there's an outline the outline wallet in [TS]

01:07:08   mind you can actually see i have like a [TS]

01:07:10   taxi drivers wallet you know it's got [TS]

01:07:11   the little flap and that you can [TS]

01:07:13   actually see where the snap is there [TS]

01:07:15   like a white I have some water because [TS]

01:07:16   you gave one as a gift you got rid of [TS]

01:07:18   that big truck wall used to keep like [TS]

01:07:20   six thousand dollars in i did because in [TS]

01:07:22   the foreign carts that was causing me it [TS]

01:07:25   was causing me back problems [TS]

01:07:26   you gave my mom one of these taxi [TS]

01:07:28   wallets as a present one time for having [TS]

01:07:31   stated her house and she I came over the [TS]

01:07:34   next day and she was like Merlin gave me [TS]

01:07:35   this wallet and I was like what a [TS]

01:07:36   thoughtful gift she said I'm never gonna [TS]

01:07:38   use this I don't wear any one of your [TS]

01:07:40   mom and she was like you you take it [TS]

01:07:42   i've been using it for the last 10 years [TS]

01:07:44   I just replace the one that I just [TS]

01:07:45   replaced a check because i went to [TS]

01:07:47   amazon it so i think it's so fun to go [TS]

01:07:48   to amazon and search for something to [TS]

01:07:50   buy and it says disorder shipped on May [TS]

01:07:53   fifth two thousand four so i can [TS]

01:07:55   actually tell i've had this wallet [TS]

01:07:56   whatever that was it was 2004 have this [TS]

01:07:58   wall for eight years and if I were [TS]

01:07:59   partners got a new one but but no here's [TS]

01:08:01   how to wear 501 I should just tell you [TS]

01:08:03   quickly than my first re-experience this [TS]

01:08:05   is very quick was I think we was dot-com [TS]

01:08:08   days was wearing a lot of tactical [TS]

01:08:09   clothing for some reason [TS]

01:08:10   yeah we went to rei that when you're [TS]

01:08:12   sitting in a aeron chair it maybe this [TS]

01:08:15   about those legs and half so never know [TS]

01:08:17   when you need to commit some code real [TS]

01:08:19   quick and i'll be able to move quick [TS]

01:08:21   you might need to unzip the bottoms of [TS]

01:08:23   your pants in menlo park california [TS]

01:08:25   highway to the Rara I probably after [TS]

01:08:27   probably a two-hundred-dollar lunch and [TS]

01:08:29   but it was I did have the presence of [TS]

01:08:30   mind to go in there and I was completely [TS]

01:08:32   i laughed out loud it's 1999 i laughed [TS]

01:08:35   out loud the entire time that I was in [TS]

01:08:36   there because even then it was obvious [TS]

01:08:38   that this was farcical this this is like [TS]

01:08:40   it's a keychain but it's also a flare [TS]

01:08:42   gun but it's only a slightly more [TS]

01:08:45   sophisticated version of a morbidly [TS]

01:08:47   obese man in a football jersey like you [TS]

01:08:50   don't play football we doing that [TS]

01:08:51   off yeah it's officially official NFL [TS]

01:08:53   you know it's like no it's not your [TS]

01:08:55   canister a bear spray your what are you [TS]

01:08:59   really gonna confront the quarterback of [TS]

01:09:01   pringles take that off so I go in there [TS]

01:09:03   and I said I just want someone like you [TS]

01:09:05   know like low-key like hiking boots [TS]

01:09:07   because it's just comfortable like [TS]

01:09:08   something I can wear around that's you [TS]

01:09:10   know water-resistant and the guys look [TS]

01:09:12   we'll all this one know there's great [TS]

01:09:14   portion control and it works away [TS]

01:09:16   harbors notes authentic artist [TS]

01:09:18   Annalise's you can if you want to walk [TS]

01:09:19   around on this fake rock and see if they [TS]

01:09:21   work in canada and the loudest voice I [TS]

01:09:23   could without sounding like a says he [TS]

01:09:25   had passed said these are webpage making [TS]

01:09:27   shoes haha [TS]

01:09:29   nea didn't know how to respond i don't [TS]

01:09:31   think there was a tab in the finder of [TS]

01:09:33   the guy who knew he was a poser [TS]

01:09:35   how do you respond to that one thing to [TS]

01:09:37   come in and go like oh I need a new [TS]

01:09:39   carabiner yeah yeah [TS]

01:09:41   first of all the guy who goes in there [TS]

01:09:43   he's red lights outdoor magazines he was [TS]

01:09:44   unprepared for a thin bone man who knew [TS]

01:09:46   he was a fraud [TS]

01:09:47   yeah I remember walking up the stairs at [TS]

01:09:50   a youth hostel in Vienna and it was one [TS]

01:09:53   of these youth hostels that had probably [TS]

01:09:54   formerly been well it was it was a it [TS]

01:09:58   wasn't a collection point was originally [TS]

01:10:01   like a Hapsburg a like administrative [TS]

01:10:04   center and then yeah sure [TS]

01:10:06   during the war it was yeah it was some [TS]

01:10:08   kind of too hot it was a judicial place [TS]

01:10:11   it was a place where they wear it does [TS]

01:10:13   for people with clipboards walked around [TS]

01:10:16   measuring noses [TS]

01:10:17   yes setting that saying we got a lot of [TS]

01:10:20   people today it's been a big wide [TS]

01:10:24   staircase and I'm walking up the [TS]

01:10:26   staircase in the middle of the day and [TS]

01:10:27   it's a very busy youth hostel and [TS]

01:10:29   they're probably 60 people on the [TS]

01:10:33   staircase at one time people going up [TS]

01:10:35   people coming down [TS]

01:10:36   it's like four flights of stairs but [TS]

01:10:38   it's a big winding staircase so you can [TS]

01:10:40   kind of see you can see people all the [TS]

01:10:42   way up and all the way down and it feels [TS]

01:10:44   like you're really walking up the stairs [TS]

01:10:46   of a grand hotel at the height of the [TS]

01:10:48   Gilded Age all these people it's a it's [TS]

01:10:52   lunchtime people coming down people [TS]

01:10:54   going up and i'm halfway up this [TS]

01:10:55   staircase and people talking German [TS]

01:10:57   they're talking english italian swedish [TS]

01:10:59   everybody's its international group [TS]

01:11:02   and some guy but people just kind of [TS]

01:11:05   burbling some guy says in a very loud [TS]

01:11:07   voice every single person on this [TS]

01:11:10   staircase is wearing cargo pants and [TS]

01:11:15   everybody on the stairs looked and sure [TS]

01:11:19   enough everyone including me was wearing [TS]

01:11:23   pants with cargo pockets and chase a [TS]

01:11:28   sense of like mutual shame descended on [TS]

01:11:33   us all because everyone had giant [TS]

01:11:37   pockets on the sides of their pants and [TS]

01:11:39   not a single person had anything in [TS]

01:11:41   those pockets like we were all wearing [TS]

01:11:44   cargo pants and that was how we like it [TS]

01:11:46   that way guitar pay for some tylenol [TS]

01:11:49   that was that was individually how we [TS]

01:11:51   each had elected to express that we were [TS]

01:11:54   travelers right and it was like going to [TS]

01:11:57   it was like going to a punk rock show in [TS]

01:12:00   orange county california where every [TS]

01:12:02   single person in a 700 person capacity [TS]

01:12:05   show is wearing not Chuck Taylors but [TS]

01:12:09   jack purcells like if you're wearing [TS]

01:12:12   chuck taylor that's the black ones [TS]

01:12:14   the black ones with the little little [TS]

01:12:16   smiley face on the on the toe i was at a [TS]

01:12:20   show down there at this place called the [TS]

01:12:21   crystal palace or whatever the Crystal [TS]

01:12:23   Room crystal house glasshouse in orange [TS]

01:12:28   county and I I i had to actually drop to [TS]

01:12:31   one knee to verify what I thought I was [TS]

01:12:35   seeing I dropped to one knee and look at [TS]

01:12:37   the shoes of a huge room full of kids [TS]

01:12:40   there was not a single kid in the place [TS]

01:12:43   that had a different pair of shoes on it [TS]

01:12:45   was like we have all decided hear what [TS]

01:12:48   the uniform is and in this one instance [TS]

01:12:51   it was we were all wearing cargo pants [TS]

01:12:53   and unfortunately I was not able to rip [TS]

01:12:56   those cargo pants off my body at that [TS]

01:12:58   moment and burn them on the staircase in [TS]

01:13:01   an expression of like County Sheriff [TS]

01:13:04   your own pockets like sergeant stripes [TS]

01:13:06   yeah I was ashamed i was to be dressed [TS]

01:13:07   basically like a sorority girl [TS]

01:13:10   haha back from that moment forth i [TS]

01:13:13   stuffed my cargo pant pockets with [TS]

01:13:17   things you know I was like mr. it is so [TS]

01:13:20   unflattering and it's really not a [TS]

01:13:23   convenient place to carry a second i'm [TS]

01:13:25   sitting here trying to think like I had [TS]

01:13:26   water in in the in the rei webpage boot [TS]

01:13:31   period i went through this thing where i [TS]

01:13:32   was by like $60 cargo pants that were [TS]

01:13:34   like real technical like 55 or whatever [TS]

01:13:37   like this after with the company's [TS]

01:13:38   called but they were like hipster like [TS]

01:13:40   oh you know what they were right by the [TS]

01:13:41   i would buy cargo pants and fucking [TS]

01:13:43   that's super-annoying store you know the [TS]

01:13:47   chain not american apparel but the one [TS]

01:13:49   that sells it's like almost like [TS]

01:13:50   anthropology you know anyone that sells [TS]

01:13:54   fake old things [TS]

01:13:55   oh you're talking about urban outfitters [TS]

01:13:57   servant outfitters and i was buying [TS]

01:13:59   artisanal cargo pants and as I sit here [TS]

01:14:01   right now and all kinds of hooks and [TS]

01:14:03   shit understand my backpack I have an [TS]

01:14:05   amazing tambien backpack that's like one [TS]

01:14:07   of the greatest backpacks in the world [TS]

01:14:08   and I still don't understand what all [TS]

01:14:09   the straps are for but in this instance [TS]

01:14:11   I was walking around like it was normal [TS]

01:14:13   to have all these clips and shit my [TS]

01:14:15   pants I don't think they knew I think [TS]

01:14:16   they're just laughing and by putting and [TS]

01:14:17   putting loupes on things yeah that's [TS]

01:14:19   exactly what they do like I know let's [TS]

01:14:21   put a loop right at the end of the knee [TS]

01:14:24   and then we have flex where if you clip [TS]

01:14:28   something there it will actually inhibit [TS]

01:14:30   your ability you have you have a missed [TS]

01:14:33   you have up the other pant with an [TS]

01:14:35   integrated knee loop and then had been [TS]

01:14:38   sitting here thinking like it's one [TS]

01:14:39   thing to be like you're describing like [TS]

01:14:41   that the Wichita Lineman kind of guys [TS]

01:14:43   who were up there and they need that [TS]

01:14:44   kind of stuff because they're doing work [TS]

01:14:45   but like I honestly as I sit here I [TS]

01:14:48   don't know what you're supposed to put [TS]

01:14:50   in cargo pant pockets you know what they [TS]

01:14:51   are and i add a smoke and ipad mini [TS]

01:14:53   would fit in there are modern the modern [TS]

01:14:56   equivalent of of Malcolm McLaren's [TS]

01:14:59   bondage pains there they're deliberately [TS]

01:15:01   unpractical and a little over right [TS]

01:15:03   there like plaid pants with with bondage [TS]

01:15:06   clasps all over them and and like some [TS]

01:15:09   straps that are other shit his pants and [TS]

01:15:11   they be useless for bondage shit shit [TS]

01:15:13   his pants and terrible and you know what [TS]

01:15:14   if you want to if you want to practice [TS]

01:15:15   bondage with somebody yeah first thing [TS]

01:15:17   get the pants off [TS]

01:15:19   yes you know what I mean you're not [TS]

01:15:20   gonna fucking bondage somebody shooting [TS]

01:15:23   type of person in pants that'll get [TS]

01:15:25   their hands off and been time up to [TS]

01:15:28   check them for tattoos so this is just [TS]

01:15:30   standard stuff [TS]

01:15:31   no this is this is this is day one kind [TS]

01:15:33   of stuff well I'm not gonna growing up [TS]

01:15:35   levi's 501 of course we're the only pins [TS]

01:15:38   the only pants that you could possibly [TS]

01:15:40   wear and I i turned it into a teenager [TS]

01:15:46   right at the point that people started [TS]

01:15:48   fucking with their genes too much you [TS]

01:15:50   could go to the county seat and buy [TS]

01:15:52   stuff to put in the washer with your [TS]

01:15:54   pants [TS]

01:15:54   yeah you bleach your parents even before [TS]

01:15:57   stone wash distressed this is but you [TS]

01:15:59   wanted faded jeans it was not allocated [TS]

01:16:01   it was after designer jeans have come [TS]

01:16:03   and gone and we're back to the basics so [TS]

01:16:06   to speak where you go when you die you [TS]

01:16:08   know whether pants [TS]

01:16:09   yeah you buy these you throw something [TS]

01:16:11   in the washer all that stuff about how [TS]

01:16:13   you're supposed to put your pants on and [TS]

01:16:14   sit in a hot bath tub i do that [TS]

01:16:16   yeah well your child of the eighties [TS]

01:16:18   yeah but then I people keep wearing them [TS]

01:16:20   that we're just going to bed with wet i [TS]

01:16:22   know you go run into the ocean about [TS]

01:16:25   this is mark or yeah Levi's this was you [TS]

01:16:27   know this this turning point moment and [TS]

01:16:29   and and what what burned into my head at [TS]

01:16:31   that time was that the coolest thing the [TS]

01:16:34   only way really properly to wear a pair [TS]

01:16:36   of Levi's was a pair of Levi's that had [TS]

01:16:40   the ring of a toucan in the back right [TS]

01:16:44   pocket [TS]

01:16:44   who are your two can't you've been [TS]

01:16:46   carrying that you can back there until [TS]

01:16:48   you have this ring in your genes that [TS]

01:16:50   was how is that was SLP run from SOP [TS]

01:16:53   standard operating procedure standard [TS]

01:16:54   operating procedure absolutely and [TS]

01:16:56   everybody everybody had a cam even if [TS]

01:16:57   you didn't do it either one of those [TS]

01:16:59   places that would throw up when you had [TS]

01:17:00   a little bit of fucking skull and its [TS]

01:17:02   really and he's still walking around [TS]

01:17:03   with that in your pocket or are you but [TS]

01:17:05   you'd buy a can of big-league to which [TS]

01:17:08   was a butcher bubble government carried [TS]

01:17:09   back until you got that ring in 1993-94 [TS]

01:17:12   in Anchorage Alaska who you had a ring [TS]

01:17:15   in the back your jeans but you guys have [TS]

01:17:16   a personality a key like the mini ones [TS]

01:17:18   just before Kodiak with everybody to [TS]

01:17:21   Copenhagen or Nothing opening is the way [TS]

01:17:23   to go but a lot of people this Kodiak is [TS]

01:17:24   kind of the it is is a lot to get the [TS]

01:17:27   best ratings Kodiak is a longer cut its [TS]

01:17:30   it's got more sugar in it [TS]

01:17:31   yeah and [TS]

01:17:32   yeah I company introduced that they [TS]

01:17:35   introduced the you know they the long [TS]

01:17:37   cut it was you know well the the rumor [TS]

01:17:40   of course with Kodiak was that they put [TS]

01:17:41   a little bit of put a little bit of like [TS]

01:17:45   fiberglass insulation so it would you [TS]

01:17:47   cut your lip and you get more of an [TS]

01:17:48   effect that's right now you cut your [TS]

01:17:50   coke can catch up with glass right and [TS]

01:17:52   that thing we all we all we all we all [TS]

01:17:55   talk about this like it's absolutely [TS]

01:17:56   true but i have no way of independently [TS]

01:17:58   verifying you can't possibly put [TS]

01:18:00   fiberglass insulation in ensuring [TS]

01:18:02   tobacco that can't be I think that's one [TS]

01:18:03   of the spider eggs and public things we [TS]

01:18:05   all say you know what you can do is pour [TS]

01:18:07   bourbon in there never occurred to me [TS]

01:18:10   that's pretty good i chewed tobacco for [TS]

01:18:12   a long time me too and I really enjoyed [TS]

01:18:16   it [TS]

01:18:16   it's the mix the most addictive thing in [TS]

01:18:18   the world but then I had to I had to [TS]

01:18:20   quit when I quit the other tobacco's [TS]

01:18:21   you've got on and off cigarettes too i [TS]

01:18:24   was i was amazed to see how quickly you [TS]

01:18:26   go on and he set it aside [TS]

01:18:28   leave it it's hard i used to Israeli [TS]

01:18:31   fine when I would have it I would have a [TS]

01:18:32   huge tip of Kodiak in my mouth and I [TS]

01:18:35   would light a cigarette [TS]

01:18:36   totally understandable yes except that [TS]

01:18:38   it is you [TS]

01:18:39   it's basically like taking your stomach [TS]

01:18:42   out and kicking it down the road like [TS]

01:18:44   you do not feel good with that much [TS]

01:18:47   nicotine in your body you feel terrible [TS]

01:18:49   but you also feel great great yeah but [TS]

01:18:52   it's a mini get some Redman a little bit [TS]

01:18:54   of busch beer that's North Florida buddy [TS]

01:18:56   that is North Florida that some that [TS]

01:18:58   some way down upon the swanee River [TS]

01:19:00   around the skipper of the genes can tell [TS]

01:19:03   you that i actually sorry i was in north [TS]

01:19:05   Florida and ice like I came I was [TS]

01:19:06   driving in a car and I came to a bridge [TS]

01:19:09   and the sign said swanee River Who and I [TS]

01:19:12   said she was 21 e21 he river Who and I [TS]

01:19:16   said whatever the hell else I was doing [TS]

01:19:18   today [TS]

01:19:18   yep i am not doing it now i'm turning [TS]

01:19:22   left and i'm driving to weigh down upon [TS]

01:19:25   this river and i drove for miles and [TS]

01:19:29   miles and miles down weird swampy [TS]

01:19:32   Florida place where everybody where the [TS]

01:19:35   houses are built on stilts [TS]

01:19:37   and I drove and drove and drove until I [TS]

01:19:40   got to the mouth of the swanee River and [TS]

01:19:44   I parked the car and I got out I walked [TS]

01:19:46   until I was standing there with my feet [TS]

01:19:49   in the water and I was like haha yes [TS]

01:19:51   check [TS]

01:19:52   I'm way down upon the swanee River next [TS]

01:19:54   it's not particularly distinguished as [TS]

01:19:56   rivers go no and then there was like a [TS]

01:19:58   little like a shitty little community of [TS]

01:20:00   people living in boats there Florida [TS]

01:20:03   wanted to do that I wanted to be part of [TS]

01:20:05   one of those communities it was a place [TS]

01:20:08   where at any moment I expected Burt [TS]

01:20:10   Reynolds to like jump a car or jumper [TS]

01:20:12   jetboat know you're talking I'm sorry [TS]

01:20:15   you're talking about like will call the [TS]

01:20:16   county type shit okay [TS]

01:20:17   oh yeah you be some kind of revenuers [TS]

01:20:20   chasing movie huh thats that's deke [TS]

01:20:22   country [TS]

01:20:22   yeah look what I got out of there was [TS]

01:20:24   like there's no there's no reason [TS]

01:20:25   there's a lot of things to be [TS]

01:20:26   disappointed about in Florida [TS]

01:20:28   I you know there's a lot of things that [TS]

01:20:29   seem I mean this is true everywhere [TS]

01:20:31   really really anything we're trying to [TS]

01:20:33   attract you off of highway you know I [TS]

01:20:35   think it's going to be a certain amount [TS]

01:20:36   of snake oil to it [TS]

01:20:37   yeah well but this is the thing about [TS]

01:20:39   this was that was actually kind of [TS]

01:20:40   surprised about this [TS]

01:20:41   it was they didn't have like souvenir [TS]

01:20:43   shop class list this year it was clear [TS]

01:20:46   that no one was interested in people [TS]

01:20:49   coming down here to be way down upon the [TS]

01:20:51   swanee River who like there was not [TS]

01:20:53   there was not a way there was no place [TS]

01:20:55   to park there was not a player is not a [TS]

01:20:57   there's no facility there was a Suwannee [TS]

01:20:59   visitor station that was filling and [TS]

01:21:02   Johnson there was not even a general [TS]

01:21:04   store it was just some people living in [TS]

01:21:05   boats and some houses on still expect a [TS]

01:21:09   barrel and ATM nothing nothing of the [TS]

01:21:12   kind of crackers I was like I am Here I [TS]

01:21:14   am my whole life I've been saying way [TS]

01:21:15   down upon the swanee River here i am I [TS]

01:21:17   would like up i would like a flag i [TS]

01:21:20   would like to get a postcard [TS]

01:21:22   not a chance there were people peeping [TS]

01:21:24   peeping out for by their parents going [TS]

01:21:26   for the hell is that while the hills [TS]

01:21:29   here it looks like one of them hipsters [TS]

01:21:31   one of the rivers and I don't want to [TS]

01:21:35   obsess about this but can you just go in [TS]

01:21:37   the time we have remaining can give me [TS]

01:21:38   just a very rough general idea of the [TS]

01:21:40   place the Genesis bomb would have been [TS]

01:21:41   super train [TS]

01:21:42   oh interesting if you in as much as you [TS]

01:21:45   can say because I mean it'sit's not to [TS]

01:21:48   talk about it i mean it's it's your it's [TS]

01:21:49   your system but [TS]

01:21:50   I'm very intrigued by this idea because [TS]

01:21:52   from reading comic books and science [TS]

01:21:54   fiction things i'm aware of general the [TS]

01:21:56   complexities of going into a new culture [TS]

01:21:59   a new environment having to deal with [TS]

01:22:01   that hostile environment again you know [TS]

01:22:03   deliverance great example but you know [TS]

01:22:05   having to go in somewhere where you [TS]

01:22:06   really don't belong and then trying to [TS]

01:22:09   make it like where you're from us the [TS]

01:22:11   scene in apocalypse now redux where they [TS]

01:22:15   show the scene with the French [TS]

01:22:16   colonialists I hate that seemed they [TS]

01:22:19   left it out [TS]

01:22:19   I hate apocalypse now redux you do I [TS]

01:22:22   because apocalypse now is a perfect big [TS]

01:22:24   pretty good [TS]

01:22:25   apocalypse now is perfect it does not [TS]

01:22:27   meet any reduction mhm [TS]

01:22:29   if you're smart to leave that scene out [TS]

01:22:30   it's a little bit of a distraction it's [TS]

01:22:32   like the copy scene in which divides [TS]

01:22:34   like you can respond to that all the [TS]

01:22:35   scenes out the scene where they are [TS]

01:22:37   huddled with the playboy bunnies in the [TS]

01:22:39   rain storm does not need to be there [TS]

01:22:41   the extra scenes with kill core kildare [TS]

01:22:44   then all the extra the robert duvall guy [TS]

01:22:47   doesn't need another that needs to be [TS]

01:22:49   there all that needs to happen is that [TS]

01:22:52   at some point [TS]

01:22:54   Martin Sheen says don't get out of the [TS]

01:22:57   boat never get out of the boat also like [TS]

01:23:00   Harrison Ford extreme prejudice [TS]

01:23:01   he's pretty good you know they shot out [TS]

01:23:03   of sequence you seen that movie right [TS]

01:23:04   yeah you see heart of darkness [TS]

01:23:06   yes great great everyone should see it [TS]

01:23:08   appear listening to this program you [TS]

01:23:10   should go watch hard sometimes I I just [TS]

01:23:12   have to get that movie i'll just say [TS]

01:23:14   that it resonates with me the idea of [TS]

01:23:15   having a project that seems pretty [TS]

01:23:17   doable innocent you start you start [TS]

01:23:19   dealing it and then pretty soon you're [TS]

01:23:21   sitting there with covered with flies [TS]

01:23:23   like rewriting on your manual typewriter [TS]

01:23:25   everything screaming yeah because deeply [TS]

01:23:27   deeply profoundly undoable and your [TS]

01:23:30   actors are tripping [TS]

01:23:31   here's the thing about the genesis bomb [TS]

01:23:33   if you watch star trek 3 the Genesis [TS]

01:23:37   bomb is a giant planet remake er well [TS]

01:23:43   super train is going to need is more of [TS]

01:23:45   a Genesis mortar food where we you know [TS]

01:23:51   we are recycling as we go we are we are [TS]

01:23:55   turning the [TS]

01:23:58   the all the old dumps we are churning [TS]

01:24:02   we're recycling other trains as we pass [TS]

01:24:06   them you know I mean like there are a [TS]

01:24:08   lot of rusty old trains that iron can be [TS]

01:24:11   put to better use we need to we just [TS]

01:24:12   need to get all the precious metals in [TS]

01:24:15   the and the cooking oil out of those [TS]

01:24:17   rusty old trains and then as we leave [TS]

01:24:21   we'll just hope lob a little Genesis [TS]

01:24:25   mortar i like it could even be a little [TS]

01:24:29   bit like a Genesis grenade its Genesis [TS]

01:24:31   community this is like a six or maybe [TS]

01:24:33   like a one-block area that needs to be a [TS]

01:24:35   little bit more habitable for supertrain [TS]

01:24:37   yeah we would paradise in our wake [TS]

01:24:40   it's just invented transitive verb we [TS]

01:24:43   paradise huh [TS]

01:24:45   so we paradise we come through we r do [TS]

01:24:47   we are helping people we are solving [TS]

01:24:49   problems and then in our wake [TS]

01:24:51   we're lobbying little Genesis grenades [TS]

01:24:54   and with paradise in as we go [TS]

01:24:56   oh look it's like it's like it done it's [TS]

01:24:59   like a super train Appleseed it seems [TS]

01:25:02   that you have a hit [TS]

01:25:04   do you have a soft hand on your head [TS]

01:25:05   relax saucepan you could do it no Steven [TS]