Roderick on the Line

Ep. 52: "The Choad Building"


00:00:00   hello hey John [TS]

00:00:07   hi Merlin that's going to product back I [TS]

00:00:14   for some reason my headphones are a lot [TS]

00:00:16   louder today [TS]

00:00:17   you sound louder I sounds but I can't [TS]

00:00:20   hear myself in my headphones so I don't [TS]

00:00:21   sound any different [TS]

00:00:22   wow we should we get I don't know no [TS]

00:00:25   notes i like it it's um it's bold it's [TS]

00:00:28   bold as love Who am I can I can modulate [TS]

00:00:33   my voice no no don't do god don't do [TS]

00:00:35   that okay you sound like Twiggy from the [TS]

00:00:37   original Buck Rogers biddy biddy [TS]

00:00:40   speaking of penises [TS]

00:00:43   I just done a minute ago yeah saw Jimi [TS]

00:00:47   Hendrix's penis as well as a plaster [TS]

00:00:50   cast know em do you are do you know [TS]

00:00:54   Cynthia plaster caster are you familiar [TS]

00:00:56   with her work [TS]

00:00:57   I just visited her entirely flash-based [TS]

00:01:00   site and and looked at its really it's [TS]

00:01:05   quite a thing I'm not seen it myself but [TS]

00:01:09   my understanding is that that Jimmy's [TS]

00:01:11   penis curves to the side or something [TS]

00:01:14   that has a well flash technology [TS]

00:01:17   notwithstanding it was just a straight [TS]

00:01:19   on like side shot [TS]

00:01:20   OIC it was I don't use this word [TS]

00:01:23   incorrectly but i think it might be [TS]

00:01:24   regarded as a chode showed that it is [TS]

00:01:29   not in the the technical term like a [TS]

00:01:32   fireplug because it's its considerable [TS]

00:01:34   yeah it's a long long scale penis but [TS]

00:01:38   it's it's real big around i don't know i [TS]

00:01:40   might be the plastic they could get at [TS]

00:01:42   the time of my but my impression is that [TS]

00:01:45   a child is shaped like a like a safety [TS]

00:01:49   cone [TS]

00:01:49   oh really it tapers that's that but you [TS]

00:01:53   know what [TS]

00:01:55   haha i use that word to refer to so many [TS]

00:01:58   things in my in my short life [TS]

00:02:01   yeah that's maybe its original meaning [TS]

00:02:02   is lost a terrific wear what would it [TS]

00:02:05   was the way that it was explained to me [TS]

00:02:07   a time when these words were achieving a [TS]

00:02:09   lot of cultural cachet [TS]

00:02:11   and I'm just gonna tell you what i was [TS]

00:02:13   told because there's a lot of these [TS]

00:02:14   kinds of things you hear and sticks in [TS]

00:02:15   your head even though it doesn't make [TS]

00:02:16   sense i was told that it's a penis [TS]

00:02:19   that's bigger around than it is long oh [TS]

00:02:21   right ok I see what you're saying which [TS]

00:02:23   which sounds like a child's block or [TS]

00:02:26   something I mean you know something [TS]

00:02:28   cylindrical i guess but yeah like a like [TS]

00:02:30   a like a wheel of cheese just like a [TS]

00:02:32   Japanese man haha you have a Japanese [TS]

00:02:37   chod that's a good word there's a lot of [TS]

00:02:39   words like that I I don't make sure that [TS]

00:02:41   i'm using correctly that's a great word [TS]

00:02:43   that sounds great yeah although it's not [TS]

00:02:45   a word I mean it showed is not a word [TS]

00:02:49   that you would say use when you were [TS]

00:02:51   meeting to your local candidate for [TS]

00:02:54   lieutenant governor [TS]

00:02:55   no i mean like yeah you wouldn't like [TS]

00:02:58   shake somebody's hand and then find a [TS]

00:03:00   way to slip children with the [TS]

00:03:01   conversation do you think he'd be [TS]

00:03:03   familiar with the term depends i know [TS]

00:03:06   what I what state probably right i bet i [TS]

00:03:07   bet he would I better which I think the [TS]

00:03:09   problem is that somebody in the room [TS]

00:03:10   without you I bet you could I bet you [TS]

00:03:12   get a lot of like snickers in the room [TS]

00:03:14   or either that or you're the guy that's [TS]

00:03:16   standing right behind the lieutenant [TS]

00:03:18   governor whose job it is to like move [TS]

00:03:19   him from conversation the conversation [TS]

00:03:21   all right with his handler his handler [TS]

00:03:24   his handler would lean forward and say [TS]

00:03:26   that's not what showed me answer and [TS]

00:03:28   then that and then you would have a [TS]

00:03:29   chance to correct yourself because they [TS]

00:03:31   attack gubernatorial candidate would [TS]

00:03:33   already be talking to three old ladies [TS]

00:03:36   this press conference is over i could [TS]

00:03:39   really benefit from having a handler [TS]

00:03:42   oh my god oh I i sink into my chair in [TS]

00:03:47   frustrated exhaustion at the thought [TS]

00:03:49   that I don't have a handler [TS]

00:03:51   yeah I've tried I've sought out handlers [TS]

00:03:54   it sounds like you have on some level [TS]

00:03:55   sideout handlers but i haven't funny but [TS]

00:03:57   you can handle me [TS]

00:03:58   well you know that the I my feeling [TS]

00:04:01   about you and and some of my friends who [TS]

00:04:03   have been successful enough to attempt [TS]

00:04:06   to hire someone to help them [TS]

00:04:08   who is that i have never heard of I've [TS]

00:04:11   never heard a story about that but that [TS]

00:04:14   that didn't sound scary where the person [TS]

00:04:17   did not get what what it what it took to [TS]

00:04:19   handle you [TS]

00:04:20   you know but that the upper the person [TS]

00:04:23   whomever of all my friends whoever they [TS]

00:04:26   hire to handle them they end up having [TS]

00:04:29   to handle the person that they hired to [TS]

00:04:31   handle them handling the handler you're [TS]

00:04:33   handling the handler and the handler is [TS]

00:04:35   not the handlers just passing that [TS]

00:04:37   handling through back to you with all [TS]

00:04:40   the good parts filtered out and yes [TS]

00:04:43   you're just like this isn't I'm handling [TS]

00:04:44   now I'm handling myself for more poorly [TS]

00:04:48   and i'm also having to handle this jerk [TS]

00:04:50   this is a big top is big series of [TS]

00:04:53   topics but yes I totally agree i have i [TS]

00:04:57   have attempted to find handlers [TS]

00:04:59   professionally you know and personally [TS]

00:05:03   and it's just been very hard for what [TS]

00:05:05   you're the reason you describe which is [TS]

00:05:07   first of all you have to want to be [TS]

00:05:09   handled and you have to be open to the [TS]

00:05:11   changes required to make a handler [TS]

00:05:13   effective and even if you've got all the [TS]

00:05:15   money in the world if you if you don't [TS]

00:05:17   want to be handled [TS]

00:05:18   you're not gonna have a good handler and [TS]

00:05:19   unless you're like a roger waters like [TS]

00:05:21   Pink Floyd situation where you know like [TS]

00:05:23   the titular pink you and you are see [TS]

00:05:25   such a basket case you know the election [TS]

00:05:28   don't you think shane macgowan probably [TS]

00:05:29   has a cat has a handler [TS]

00:05:31   oh yeah but shane macgowan handler has a [TS]

00:05:34   fire hose and like a series of like very [TS]

00:05:39   large tongs have a tiger with anyone [TS]

00:05:42   wakes him up with the hose and then just [TS]

00:05:44   whip them into the shower you left [TS]

00:05:46   yesterday I i decided i don't know why i [TS]

00:05:50   had I'm i honestly don't know why i [TS]

00:05:52   haven't done this in the last four years [TS]

00:05:53   i started looking online at office space [TS]

00:05:57   for myself away from my home and I was [TS]

00:06:01   going through all the different [TS]

00:06:03   neighborhoods of the city and think [TS]

00:06:05   you're imagining myself getting up in [TS]

00:06:08   the morning and commuting over to this [TS]

00:06:09   other neighborhood where I would go sit [TS]

00:06:12   in a in a room with a window and the and [TS]

00:06:17   the whole point of me being there would [TS]

00:06:18   be that i would write [TS]

00:06:20   and I was trying to trying to picture [TS]

00:06:22   like okay do I want to be in a space [TS]

00:06:23   where it's a kind of creative office [TS]

00:06:27   space where there are other creative [TS]

00:06:28   people like painters and and you know [TS]

00:06:33   and dance choreographers and and and [TS]

00:06:39   have a have a space in a place like that [TS]

00:06:40   where I can come out and stand kind of [TS]

00:06:43   leaning in the doorway of my uh my [TS]

00:06:44   office with a cup of coffee in my hand [TS]

00:06:46   waiting for somebody with clay [TS]

00:06:50   undershirt consider laughs so like the [TS]

00:06:53   school in same where you put your head [TS]

00:06:55   on the door in there the lady stretching [TS]

00:06:57   yeah it's hard and there be someone in a [TS]

00:06:59   beret painting [TS]

00:07:01   yeah and i would say what's a metaphor [TS]

00:07:04   for what's the word for when a penis is [TS]

00:07:07   a wider around it is long and then [TS]

00:07:10   though the lady stretching would look up [TS]

00:07:12   and go chod and I don't chod thank you [TS]

00:07:15   and then go back to writing do I want to [TS]

00:07:16   space like that or do I want a space [TS]

00:07:19   where I'm like up in a garret and nobody [TS]

00:07:23   can nobody can get to me and I Anna [TS]

00:07:27   about it but like somewhere underneath [TS]

00:07:29   me there's a there are people using saws [TS]

00:07:32   so there's that sound like what kind of [TS]

00:07:38   you know like all right window or do I [TS]

00:07:41   want to actually go downtown where [TS]

00:07:43   literal chodes are working in the [TS]

00:07:46   insurance and mortgage industry and rent [TS]

00:07:50   office space in a in a bit chilled [TS]

00:07:54   building in the building where where I [TS]

00:07:58   walked you know where late in the [TS]

00:07:59   morning I'm like crowding through the [TS]

00:08:00   front door with guys who are who have [TS]

00:08:03   like guys and overcoats they're holding [TS]

00:08:05   folded up newspapers and measuring guys [TS]

00:08:07   that have suspenders on under the suit [TS]

00:08:09   jacket but they call them braces and [TS]

00:08:12   dont like there's a lady at asking maybe [TS]

00:08:14   security guard and they say good morning [TS]

00:08:16   mr. chod as a security guard morning mr. [TS]

00:08:19   toad [TS]

00:08:19   good morning mr. toad and then I take [TS]

00:08:21   the elevator up to the side like you [TS]

00:08:23   Willis and good morning to you shall we [TS]

00:08:27   pick our usual winter one dollar [TS]

00:08:30   haha nice mr. Roderick mr. Valentine [TS]

00:08:35   surprise that's what I and then go and [TS]

00:08:39   like to maybe be like the secret guy [TS]

00:08:41   working in one of those cubicles that is [TS]

00:08:44   actually working that's actually writing [TS]

00:08:45   articles about or whatever it is and [TS]

00:08:50   then do whatever it is that I do [TS]

00:08:52   whatever it is that I do whatever [TS]

00:08:54   writing it is i think i'm i'm gonna do [TS]

00:08:56   but so I was toying with all these ideas [TS]

00:08:58   and I honestly couldn't decide there was [TS]

00:09:00   a part of me that as antisocial as i am [TS]

00:09:03   a part of me that the only the whole [TS]

00:09:04   reason I be doing this is to be putting [TS]

00:09:07   myself out into the actual world like I [TS]

00:09:10   don't need it's not that I just need [TS]

00:09:12   some physical distance from this room [TS]

00:09:16   here full of a this room full of real [TS]

00:09:19   dolls with that I have here in my [TS]

00:09:21   upstairs [TS]

00:09:23   I I actually kinda need to be out in the [TS]

00:09:24   world where I'm getting coffee and there [TS]

00:09:26   are other ppl bear this is it yeah i'm [TS]

00:09:28   so glad you brought this up this is a [TS]

00:09:29   huge challenge I face this in many many [TS]

00:09:32   times with many different things and [TS]

00:09:34   your ear it sounds like you're on the [TS]

00:09:36   horns of a dilemma because just by how [TS]

00:09:37   very yeah you don't be able to get off [TS]

00:09:39   those horns believe it you've got on the [TS]

00:09:42   one hand you're i'm going to get to a [TS]

00:09:43   bigger point here but I think what [TS]

00:09:45   you're saying in some ways is do I want [TS]

00:09:46   obviously what you're looking for here [TS]

00:09:48   is a second place your place you need a [TS]

00:09:50   place that's not the room with the [TS]

00:09:51   regular leather chair doesn't mean that [TS]

00:09:53   you can't bring the chair with you [TS]

00:09:54   although I would just personally I would [TS]

00:09:55   just have it removed permanently but but [TS]

00:09:58   you know on the one hand you realize you [TS]

00:10:00   need to change you need someplace else [TS]

00:10:02   to get your work done [TS]

00:10:03   there's the work that you do and so the [TS]

00:10:06   question becomes and think about those [TS]

00:10:07   different things that you're describing [TS]

00:10:08   on the one here saying do I want to be [TS]

00:10:10   surrounded with these creative people [TS]

00:10:12   they're probably a little fruity and [TS]

00:10:16   that will drive my creativity do I want [TS]

00:10:18   to go somewhere there's more in keeping [TS]

00:10:20   with my theoretically blue-collar [TS]

00:10:22   background somewhere where you would be [TS]

00:10:23   around people throwing fish or doing [TS]

00:10:25   magic tricks for standing very still [TS]

00:10:26   looking like a statue [TS]

00:10:28   I imagine imagine that scene in the [TS]

00:10:30   billy joel music video allentown weather [TS]

00:10:33   guys a moving big trenches all [TS]

00:10:36   and then you pan up and there's like a [TS]

00:10:39   there's a office manager up above on a [TS]

00:10:42   railing he's wearing a tie in his pants [TS]

00:10:44   are pulled up kind of pretty high [TS]

00:10:46   uh-huh i would have the office next to [TS]

00:10:48   that guy ok but you would be begin now [TS]

00:10:51   and the one in the in the first scenario [TS]

00:10:52   you would be surrounded by the sort of [TS]

00:10:54   creative people who probably are [TS]

00:10:56   let's be honest I'm probably making very [TS]

00:10:57   much but last-chance people mhm mhm [TS]

00:11:01   that's not real welder and and then on [TS]

00:11:04   the other hand you're saying do I want [TS]

00:11:05   to be somewhere where I'm really doing [TS]

00:11:06   capital w work because I'm surrounded by [TS]

00:11:08   people who are going to come on the [TS]

00:11:10   fruit if I'm not you know writing [TS]

00:11:11   writing responses to people from [TS]

00:11:13   Aerosmith right and and then on the [TS]

00:11:15   other hand you're saying do I want to be [TS]

00:11:17   somewhere where I can do my work in [TS]

00:11:20   peace [TS]

00:11:21   maybe something somewhere with a [TS]

00:11:22   clawfoot bathtub but you know ya know [TS]

00:11:25   that another part of the problem [TS]

00:11:26   solution we mul you just added a whole [TS]

00:11:29   new wrinkle all right there because [TS]

00:11:31   here's the thing the big point is what [TS]

00:11:33   is it that you're running away from are [TS]

00:11:35   running toward what is the barrier [TS]

00:11:36   you're trying to do for a living and is [TS]

00:11:38   which of these barriers do you want to [TS]

00:11:39   get rid of because you might just need a [TS]

00:11:41   bathroom somewhere if you're gonna [TS]

00:11:43   record I mean you get a nice kind of you [TS]

00:11:45   know natural reverb in a room like that [TS]

00:11:47   but you might just want to have a big [TS]

00:11:49   bathroom at someone's house or talking [TS]

00:11:51   their house like in there may be there [TS]

00:11:52   for you could house-sit for somebody's [TS]

00:11:54   bigger bathroom set for somebody so I'm [TS]

00:11:56   wondering though how i would put that [TS]

00:11:58   into craigslist like wanted this I want [TS]

00:12:01   to rent your bathroom huh all day wanted [TS]

00:12:06   i want to write you one all day I want [TS]

00:12:11   to rent your bathroom large bathroom all [TS]

00:12:13   day was largely a clawfoot bathtub [TS]

00:12:15   clawfoot bathtub you don't you need to [TS]

00:12:20   be cool with strange sounds coming from [TS]

00:12:22   the bathroom all day and they can't use [TS]

00:12:25   it right that's part of it is it's your [TS]

00:12:26   space you're in there [TS]

00:12:28   yeah we're in there at the crack of noon [TS]

00:12:29   and you need that space for however long [TS]

00:12:32   it takes to finish your work [TS]

00:12:33   well the thing is it would be helpful if [TS]

00:12:35   that bathroom also had a little [TS]

00:12:37   kitchenette image oh you should do what [TS]

00:12:39   i do i just such that link to the coffee [TS]

00:12:41   dingus that i use here in my office my [TS]

00:12:43   mouth my office is kind of like a dorm [TS]

00:12:45   and I'm not by any means saying that you [TS]

00:12:47   should do anything like the literal [TS]

00:12:49   personal holocaust that is my office but [TS]

00:12:51   I've got a little hot water maker here [TS]

00:12:54   really nice little hot you know makes [TS]

00:12:56   hot water very quickly [TS]

00:12:57   yeah i got my sodastream machine I've [TS]

00:12:59   got a microwave from target and I've got [TS]

00:13:01   a pretty good-sized dorm fridge no [TS]

00:13:03   freezer and that's pretty much [TS]

00:13:05   everything I need to do basic stuff i [TS]

00:13:07   think that the point when I bring a hot [TS]

00:13:09   plate i need to hang it up but that's [TS]

00:13:10   what you need you need space for that [TS]

00:13:12   you need you need a master bath maybe so [TS]

00:13:16   my ideal situation is a master bathroom [TS]

00:13:19   with a kitchenette situated over a [TS]

00:13:24   Philly cheesesteak sandwich company in [TS]

00:13:29   an industrial area it that's very that [TS]

00:13:33   has been kind of colonized by artist so [TS]

00:13:35   maybe it's still a little transitional [TS]

00:13:37   write your novel transitional you got [TS]

00:13:39   your shirtless men with wrenches and [TS]

00:13:41   ladies stretching yeah so they're ladies [TS]

00:13:43   stretching over here there are guys like [TS]

00:13:45   stripping and repainting furniture over [TS]

00:13:48   here and then across the street [TS]

00:13:50   this is the furniture they're stripping [TS]

00:13:52   is a correct they are stripping it was [TS]

00:13:55   she's she is stretching ok she and that [TS]

00:13:57   you know just because the woman [TS]

00:13:59   stretches doesn't mean that she's going [TS]

00:14:01   to dance on a pole know and then they [TS]

00:14:03   are stripping furniture they are not [TS]

00:14:06   personally stripper and and there's a [TS]

00:14:08   coffee shop across the street where well [TS]

00:14:10   obviously you've got to have the right [TS]

00:14:12   tools at hand to do the kind of work [TS]

00:14:13   that you do you have to have a place to [TS]

00:14:15   put your tools you have to have a [TS]

00:14:16   workspace and you have to be surrounded [TS]

00:14:18   by things that inspire you know maybe [TS]

00:14:21   window which like a window do i would [TS]

00:14:22   like the window i need a window who did [TS]

00:14:24   light because I should I really you can [TS]

00:14:26   push her not a bathroom you're gonna [TS]

00:14:27   want a window [TS]

00:14:28   well but but the but the problem is and [TS]

00:14:32   I think we hit on this earlier I don't [TS]

00:14:34   know what I do [TS]

00:14:35   yeah I am i that i said this to somebody [TS]

00:14:38   the other day the e here [TS]

00:14:40   the solution is not your situation is [TS]

00:14:42   not such that you need to quit your [TS]

00:14:44   present job in order to pursue your [TS]

00:14:45   fantasy job [TS]

00:14:48   because you don't even know your fantasy [TS]

00:14:50   job is you need to start doing your [TS]

00:14:52   fantasy job until you're having so much [TS]

00:14:54   fun and success at that your that you [TS]

00:14:58   have to quit your real job because your [TS]

00:15:00   fantasy job has taken over and I and now [TS]

00:15:02   i'm going to do to podcast at three [TS]

00:15:04   because you pretty much summed it up but [TS]

00:15:07   my problem is I'm trying to get myself [TS]

00:15:08   out of the house to get myself into a [TS]

00:15:10   workplace so that i can begin to work [TS]

00:15:15   for the first time in many years [TS]

00:15:18   who and I and I honestly a part of me [TS]

00:15:22   both thrills and also despairs at the [TS]

00:15:25   prospect of sitting down at a desk in a [TS]

00:15:27   new space that I'm now paying money for [TS]

00:15:29   and staring out my this window that I [TS]

00:15:33   that we have just we've agreed i need [TS]

00:15:36   and saying now what now what do I do now [TS]

00:15:40   you have to now I turn the computer on [TS]

00:15:41   there's a certain amount of pressure on [TS]

00:15:43   you at that point because you have to [TS]

00:15:45   figure out what your work is your [TS]

00:15:46   payment that's good that might drive you [TS]

00:15:48   in some ways but you might even need a [TS]

00:15:49   transitional free space to go to figure [TS]

00:15:53   out what it is that you do that could be [TS]

00:15:54   something where you could have a home [TS]

00:15:55   maybe you could do something in your [TS]

00:15:56   barn you could have a transitional space [TS]

00:15:58   where you going to set up a fridge and [TS]

00:16:01   maybe have some ladies come out and [TS]

00:16:02   stretch but you can have an area where [TS]

00:16:04   you know what I'm saying before you walk [TS]

00:16:06   across Europe you might want to buy a [TS]

00:16:07   map [TS]

00:16:08   yeah but that's the thing when i walked [TS]

00:16:10   across Europe I did not buy a map first [TS]

00:16:12   that's true write that down ok and and [TS]

00:16:15   that wasn't going to watch you're not [TS]

00:16:17   okay i mean bag notwithstanding that [TS]

00:16:19   turned out pretty ok yeah that was the [TS]

00:16:21   bag and the boots both were wrong [TS]

00:16:23   mm you should have thought more I should [TS]

00:16:25   have thought long and hard about what [TS]

00:16:27   you do it differently now [TS]

00:16:28   I mean if you were that the job today [TS]

00:16:30   you you could talk to the John of then [TS]

00:16:32   and give him some tips on material i [TS]

00:16:36   would say that it's a change the bag [TS]

00:16:38   change the boots you know I got off the [TS]

00:16:39   airplane in London and I walked over to [TS]

00:16:41   the look the little newsagent there at [TS]

00:16:45   Heathrow and I started looking through [TS]

00:16:48   his rack of roadmaps trying to figure [TS]

00:16:52   out what route i was going to spend the [TS]

00:16:53   next six months six months walking dead [TS]

00:16:57   but and basically pick the roadmap that [TS]

00:17:01   was cheapest okay haha and and you know [TS]

00:17:07   walk out walk out out of his new jet the [TS]

00:17:09   newsagent shop walked out the pneumatic [TS]

00:17:12   doors in across the parking lot and then [TS]

00:17:16   continue to walk in the same direction [TS]

00:17:18   for six months and and and and bought [TS]

00:17:21   maps along the way that by that same [TS]

00:17:23   method just like I would rather I would [TS]

00:17:24   arrive at the end of one of the map i [TS]

00:17:26   was i was on the walk until I found a [TS]

00:17:30   new man he's walking here under mat and [TS]

00:17:32   I walk around on a map and then I i I'd [TS]

00:17:34   walk into the nearest place that's old [TS]

00:17:37   maps and and by-and-by the cheapest map [TS]

00:17:40   that keep going and that part of it [TS]

00:17:44   I honestly if i added to do over again I [TS]

00:17:46   wouldn't tell my i wouldn't tell my [TS]

00:17:48   young self to do anything any [TS]

00:17:49   differently because I i don't i don't [TS]

00:17:51   know how also which is obviously that [TS]

00:17:53   when you're thrust into a situation is [TS]

00:17:55   you know it's the same person obviously [TS]

00:17:57   if you change grown mature you learn [TS]

00:18:00   more about your work since then but you [TS]

00:18:02   know you sent me the kind of person who [TS]

00:18:03   wins I've seen this when you yelled at [TS]

00:18:05   me to call my mom what about that guys [TS]

00:18:07   busted a sports car you're someone who [TS]

00:18:09   and we're gonna talk about that but when [TS]

00:18:10   you get thrust that's what it's for [TS]

00:18:13   let me get thrust we get through when [TS]

00:18:15   you are thrust into a situation you [TS]

00:18:16   thrive you really are you're like that [TS]

00:18:19   you're like that marine who has all of [TS]

00:18:22   those skills you're like that CIA [TS]

00:18:23   operative who has this the skills just [TS]

00:18:26   waiting all the time and it's when you [TS]

00:18:28   it's when you're not in the shit that [TS]

00:18:29   you're my stress really going well I [TS]

00:18:31   have one a party what inspired this is I [TS]

00:18:33   have a friend who works in a corporate [TS]

00:18:34   office and she is a she is now in a [TS]

00:18:38   position where she is [TS]

00:18:42   her boss has just quit and her boss is [TS]

00:18:47   your baby mama this is the lady I know [TS]

00:18:50   and and her bosses just quit and her [TS]

00:18:53   boss was one of these like guys who work [TS]

00:18:55   there for 15 years and had had weaseled [TS]

00:18:58   his way into a vice-presidency at this [TS]

00:19:00   company but but really he's just a frat [TS]

00:19:03   boy [TS]

00:19:04   and and I think they gave him the [TS]

00:19:06   vice-presidency kind of out of a feeling [TS]

00:19:08   of obligation after he'd been there so [TS]

00:19:10   long so he quit and went to work [TS]

00:19:13   somewhere else set up at a at a pet [TS]

00:19:16   grooming place and right now there's a [TS]

00:19:20   vacancy in the corporate structure of [TS]

00:19:22   this company [TS]

00:19:23   there is no vice president of marketing [TS]

00:19:25   oh and my uh my friend is I think [TS]

00:19:33   ideally positioned within the company to [TS]

00:19:36   assume this job and it isn't maybe that [TS]

00:19:40   she will be promoted to vice president [TS]

00:19:45   of marketing but she certainly can be [TS]

00:19:47   the director of marketing is that is a [TS]

00:19:50   power vacuum there's a power vacuum and [TS]

00:19:52   although she isn't incredibly talented [TS]

00:19:55   and she does not think of herself as [TS]

00:19:57   someone who is ambitious in there in a [TS]

00:20:00   corporate way you know she doesn't when [TS]

00:20:02   she wakes up in the morning she doesn't [TS]

00:20:04   have she doesn't start sharpening her [TS]

00:20:06   fingernails to go gash the necks of her [TS]

00:20:09   competitors you know that's not how she [TS]

00:20:11   imagines herself although i think she [TS]

00:20:13   has the competitive skills to to succeed [TS]

00:20:16   in that world just need to unleash it [TS]

00:20:19   but in sitting and talking to her about [TS]

00:20:21   her her work situation or job situation [TS]

00:20:23   i get very excited because i don't have [TS]

00:20:26   I do not have the opportunity to [TS]

00:20:29   exercise those yeah those traits that [TS]

00:20:36   would succeed in a corporate life and I [TS]

00:20:38   and I have them you know i would i would [TS]

00:20:40   love to be in a boardroom situation [TS]

00:20:43   where other guys were competing to have [TS]

00:20:47   their plans implemented and i was using [TS]

00:20:51   all that I know about Machiavelli and [TS]

00:20:54   the art of war and all this shit that I [TS]

00:20:59   read over the years and you know and [TS]

00:21:01   thought about not with any I any [TS]

00:21:04   intention of ever becoming a corporate [TS]

00:21:06   person because i wanted to understand [TS]

00:21:08   how they thought and I and I'd like to [TS]

00:21:10   read other people's books you know I [TS]

00:21:12   like to read books that are that are [TS]

00:21:14   part of the Canon of like special areas [TS]

00:21:18   right huh where it's like oh you're not [TS]

00:21:19   gonna be interested in this book this is [TS]

00:21:21   a book for Hydra hydrologic engineers [TS]

00:21:23   and I'm like that's actually the kind of [TS]

00:21:25   book i'm very interested in uh huh [TS]

00:21:27   what are you guys saying to each other [TS]

00:21:29   that you don't want other people to know [TS]

00:21:30   anyway so I'm sitting and talking to her [TS]

00:21:33   about her her corporate life and I'm [TS]

00:21:34   kidding y'all you know getting like I'm [TS]

00:21:37   like listen [TS]

00:21:38   yeah I felt like I felt like that scene [TS]

00:21:39   in The Godfather I was like listen the [TS]

00:21:42   person that person that's that invites [TS]

00:21:45   you to that meeting right that's the one [TS]

00:21:47   that wants your head you know the it [TS]

00:21:49   will what you need to be on the lookout [TS]

00:21:50   for is the person that agrees with you [TS]

00:21:52   and then doesn't come to the first [TS]

00:21:54   meeting that he scheduled because they [TS]

00:21:56   were too busy [TS]

00:21:57   that's the person who's going to be [TS]

00:21:59   trying to for your product Italians a [TS]

00:22:01   pimp [TS]

00:22:02   he shall known that it was Barzini all [TS]

00:22:04   along it was Barzini hola and and she [TS]

00:22:07   take that council and and understand [TS]

00:22:09   what that could mean for her me what [TS]

00:22:11   happened sharp sharp claws yet but boy [TS]

00:22:13   just even knowing that [TS]

00:22:15   yeah i think i think it I think it [TS]

00:22:17   excites her know that I think the [TS]

00:22:19   challenge of a lot of people our age is [TS]

00:22:22   that we taught ourselves that are we [TS]

00:22:27   said to ourselves over and over as a as [TS]

00:22:29   a culture Generation X did this said to [TS]

00:22:33   ourselves [TS]

00:22:33   oh the real things in life that matter [TS]

00:22:36   to us are our friends and our and music [TS]

00:22:40   and these things you know we we [TS]

00:22:41   convinced ourselves that our jobs were [TS]

00:22:44   just these dumb things that we did that [TS]

00:22:46   didn't matter because we because we were [TS]

00:22:48   the ones that really enjoyed life and [TS]

00:22:52   now we're not gonna be duped by the [TS]

00:22:53   system that tells you leave the things [TS]

00:22:55   behind it and become this kind of person [TS]

00:22:58   yeah i just have to go to my job eight [TS]

00:22:59   hours a day but I really what i really [TS]

00:23:02   come alive when it's Miller time and [TS]

00:23:05   then and then when we become [TS]

00:23:07   forty-year-olds and we realized wait a [TS]

00:23:09   minute I'm style whether or not I was [TS]

00:23:11   duped i'm still spending 40 hours a week [TS]

00:23:13   in this place and if I don't take the [TS]

00:23:16   job that I'm doing seriously and if I [TS]

00:23:18   don't understand the actual culture not [TS]

00:23:20   the not the fantasy culture of of work [TS]

00:23:22   but the actual culture of work [TS]

00:23:24   then I'm then i'm going to top out and [TS]

00:23:28   then I'm gonna be the one I'm gonna be [TS]

00:23:29   the 50-year old or 60 year old that's [TS]

00:23:31   doing a job that 26 year-olds are doing [TS]

00:23:34   better and you know and I didn't I [TS]

00:23:38   didn't plan for this [TS]

00:23:39   you know I just suddenly you wake up and [TS]

00:23:41   you're living up to your potential [TS]

00:23:42   exactly and so so i could see the light [TS]

00:23:45   in her eyes like yeah actually i'm going [TS]

00:23:48   to go in and I'm going to start i'm [TS]

00:23:49   gonna start making a list of my enemies [TS]

00:23:51   and i'm going to start keeping a bucket [TS]

00:23:54   where I put the hearts of my foes when [TS]

00:23:58   they come into my office and transform [TS]

00:23:59   every executive need to photobucket you [TS]

00:24:02   know what you just have a bucket next [TS]

00:24:03   year decks and every once awhile your [TS]

00:24:04   float comes in and tries to the toy [TS]

00:24:06   store for you just ripped your heart out [TS]

00:24:07   and stick it in the bucket and the thing [TS]

00:24:09   is if you to be a really it seems I've [TS]

00:24:11   never finished the book but it seems to [TS]

00:24:12   me that you're going to be the Prince [TS]

00:24:14   you have to not and again with the art [TS]

00:24:17   of war right and the other for summarize [TS]

00:24:19   don't do what you think they're what [TS]

00:24:21   they think you're gonna do you know a [TS]

00:24:22   lot of ways I mean that's a wall street [TS]

00:24:24   level summary of it but in all these [TS]

00:24:27   though the part of the beauty part of [TS]

00:24:29   somebody who is a smart intelligent lady [TS]

00:24:31   who is obviously not sharp nails is that [TS]

00:24:34   is the perfect person to to get into the [TS]

00:24:37   power vacuum Zach and people they will [TS]

00:24:39   never know it's coming [TS]

00:24:41   yeah which one would you have expected a [TS]

00:24:43   enough support spoiler alert a pagoda [TS]

00:24:45   last person I would have considered if [TS]

00:24:48   we go to a different scene like it let [TS]

00:24:51   millions of dollars the smart one [TS]

00:24:52   yeah it was always this mark fault i'm [TS]

00:24:55   saying well the thing is at and and i [TS]

00:24:58   think the instinct that a lot of people [TS]

00:25:00   have in that situation is there's a [TS]

00:25:01   power vacuum i should go to the I should [TS]

00:25:04   go to my higher ups and ask them if it's [TS]

00:25:08   cool if I fill in this power vacuum [TS]

00:25:10   oh and you know oh my what I said to my [TS]

00:25:14   friend is listen if you do something [TS]

00:25:15   like that then that's not your power [TS]

00:25:18   that you will be you will not be using [TS]

00:25:21   your power or or or growing your power [TS]

00:25:24   you will be using their power and you're [TS]

00:25:27   just a proxy that's like getting [TS]

00:25:28   somebody to sign a form that you climbed [TS]

00:25:30   a mountain [TS]

00:25:31   yeah you need to walk into that power [TS]

00:25:32   back human and and fill it and what some [TS]

00:25:35   and by the time the higher-ups notice [TS]

00:25:37   you're already doing the job and then [TS]

00:25:40   they're like oh we could do a you know [TS]

00:25:42   we could go search for somebody to fill [TS]

00:25:44   this role or we could just [TS]

00:25:45   well this is a big part of being a [TS]

00:25:47   weasel and and I think the Machiavellian [TS]

00:25:49   thingy [TS]

00:25:49   this is it's a lot about how to become a [TS]

00:25:51   week on a good part about being a weasel [TS]

00:25:52   I've learned as a weasel is to make [TS]

00:25:55   things seem like someone else's idea and [TS]

00:25:58   this has been this is when I've been [TS]

00:26:00   effective which is pretty much never [TS]

00:26:01   it's this is work great because what you [TS]

00:26:04   have to do is a pair of silky almost [TS]

00:26:07   greasy pal thank you John i enjoy [TS]

00:26:09   visiting with you value our friendship [TS]

00:26:12   but this is the thing when she goes in [TS]

00:26:17   there [TS]

00:26:18   first of all she's she could be a [TS]

00:26:19   sleeper cell nobody's ever suspected [TS]

00:26:21   that she would come in and what the what [TS]

00:26:24   the pet grooming guys is she the shots [TS]

00:26:26   right she's a nice girl she did not she [TS]

00:26:28   did not seem like the one that was going [TS]

00:26:30   to start kicking doors down exactly now [TS]

00:26:32   if you want to fill the power vacuum you [TS]

00:26:33   have to do things or cause things to [TS]

00:26:35   happen that Mickey seem like not only [TS]

00:26:37   the right person to stick into that [TS]

00:26:40   Dyson but you've got to appear like the [TS]

00:26:42   only person in the whole world who could [TS]

00:26:44   take that thing and then you got to make [TS]

00:26:46   those shows at the top and click it was [TS]

00:26:48   their idea in the first place right and [TS]

00:26:50   my bullets mind let's help i think the [TS]

00:26:52   big the big challenge in a situation [TS]

00:26:54   like that is the chose that are at your [TS]

00:26:56   level that can't do that job but also [TS]

00:26:59   don't want you to succeed at it and so [TS]

00:27:01   they just become petulant about about [TS]

00:27:06   taking orders from you or about taking [TS]

00:27:08   even suggested especially if your lady [TS]

00:27:10   and those are the ones that you know I I [TS]

00:27:12   was advising her that she needs to she [TS]

00:27:16   needs to start scheduling these meetings [TS]

00:27:17   that are above her pay grade that are [TS]

00:27:20   her meetings and then she needs to go [TS]

00:27:22   around and make a coalition throughout [TS]

00:27:25   the office like stopping every one of [TS]

00:27:26   these guys is desks and say hey I'm [TS]

00:27:30   looking forward to this meeting on [TS]

00:27:31   monday and i really hope that that you [TS]

00:27:34   that you'll be there because I I think [TS]

00:27:36   you're your ideas in this are you know [TS]

00:27:39   are invaluable and we really need to [TS]

00:27:42   hear from you before we move forward [TS]

00:27:43   because you're the [TS]

00:27:44   kind of the gatekeeper for this segment [TS]

00:27:47   or whatever and just do that thing just [TS]

00:27:50   sit and like you're just strokin them [TS]

00:27:52   with one hand and they and they and they [TS]

00:27:55   feel the pressure of your knife point on [TS]

00:27:57   under there ribs but they're not exactly [TS]

00:27:58   sure whether it's a knife or a or just [TS]

00:28:01   trying to give them a strong hug and [TS]

00:28:03   they and they just think to themselves [TS]

00:28:05   like you give them the out where they're [TS]

00:28:07   like yeah I I gotta go to that meeting [TS]

00:28:09   because I if I don't then they're not [TS]

00:28:10   gonna that I'm whatever to you give them [TS]

00:28:13   that but at the same time they feel a [TS]

00:28:15   little bit they feel will endanger like [TS]

00:28:17   I i I'd better go to that movie [TS]

00:28:19   John I i if I could say I this is the [TS]

00:28:22   most excited I've heard you about sound [TS]

00:28:26   about anything in like the last 10 years [TS]

00:28:28   this is this and this sounds like this [TS]

00:28:30   could be i had one yeah this could be [TS]

00:28:32   your duck it seems to me that you guys [TS]

00:28:34   know this was your duck and it seems to [TS]

00:28:36   me [TS]

00:28:36   yeah I either side of your guy would be [TS]

00:28:38   i think i would be mrs. this is a this [TS]

00:28:41   is a silly ass thing on the surface of [TS]

00:28:43   it but i think i would be a great [TS]

00:28:45   corporate a boardroom person because I [TS]

00:28:52   see the because ultimately ago a company [TS]

00:28:55   operates according to a dynamic business [TS]

00:28:57   dynamic but it's a human dynamic and I [TS]

00:29:00   see through those things you know i have [TS]

00:29:02   i have a x-ray vision about [TS]

00:29:05   interpersonal stuff like that so and and [TS]

00:29:08   also you're also you're an outsider all [TS]

00:29:10   those guys are mired in that particular [TS]

00:29:12   kind of malignant culture you come in [TS]

00:29:15   from the outside and not only you're not [TS]

00:29:16   going to taking that bullshit you don't [TS]

00:29:18   even acknowledge the bullshit is there [TS]

00:29:19   you just drive right past it well and I [TS]

00:29:21   like to fertilize the garden watch it [TS]

00:29:22   grow [TS]

00:29:23   i also don't mind well wallowing in a [TS]

00:29:25   bucket of blood and somewhere between [TS]

00:29:28   fertilizing a garden and watching it [TS]

00:29:30   grow and you know sitting in a bathtub [TS]

00:29:32   knowing on the the shinbones of my [TS]

00:29:35   enemies [TS]

00:29:36   that's a bad is it that's basically a [TS]

00:29:38   CEO that's what a CEO does who and I [TS]

00:29:41   don't know what I keep waiting for [TS]

00:29:44   there's a tech startup that is being run [TS]

00:29:48   by a bunch of college monkeys who don't [TS]

00:29:52   know how to talk to each other and have [TS]

00:29:53   never looked another human in the eye [TS]

00:29:55   except while they were searching their [TS]

00:29:57   mother's face [TS]

00:29:58   that she would put her boob in their [TS]

00:29:59   mouth and these guys for whatever reason [TS]

00:30:05   they get in contact with me or they get [TS]

00:30:07   put in contact with me like hey we need [TS]

00:30:09   somebody to go talk to other people for [TS]

00:30:11   us because we're here busy making this [TS]

00:30:14   3d digital printer that specializes in [TS]

00:30:18   in reproducing Cynthia plaster casters [TS]

00:30:21   Jimi Hendrix penis which let's be honest [TS]

00:30:23   there are practitioners their core [TS]

00:30:25   competency might be penis penis plaster [TS]

00:30:27   but but needless look at it this way [TS]

00:30:29   you're you're one of those college [TS]

00:30:31   monkeys and you somehow fallen [TS]

00:30:33   ass-backwards into a bunch of venture [TS]

00:30:35   capital money [TS]

00:30:36   well those guys this venture capital [TS]

00:30:37   guys want to see their 10x right there [TS]

00:30:39   is a gamble [TS]

00:30:41   i'm thinking maybe you're contacted by [TS]

00:30:43   the Monkees your contact by the zoo [TS]

00:30:44   master [TS]

00:30:45   oh I think the people you guys pick up a [TS]

00:30:47   red phone it rings in your bathtub you [TS]

00:30:49   pick it up and say John we need you say [TS]

00:30:51   i know i've already known [TS]

00:30:53   right right why you went there to find a [TS]

00:30:55   private corporate to bring literally out [TS]

00:30:57   by your house right next to the airport [TS]

00:30:58   if you step inside they say would you [TS]

00:31:01   would you like pina colada you say no [TS]

00:31:02   thanks [TS]

00:31:03   and then you are you land somewhere and [TS]

00:31:05   you walk in and let's be honest you can [TS]

00:31:08   be dressed really differently from them [TS]

00:31:09   you're going to look very different from [TS]

00:31:11   them and they're going to know the [TS]

00:31:12   things are changing and maybe maybe [TS]

00:31:15   maybe seems a little like your palate [TS]

00:31:17   first [TS]

00:31:18   yeah but you're empowered to be in power [TS]

00:31:20   you don't need you don't need a contract [TS]

00:31:22   you don't you don't need a mission [TS]

00:31:24   statement you all because i have a [TS]

00:31:25   seminar I was somewhat are tucked into [TS]

00:31:29   my exceptionally wide leather belt [TS]

00:31:31   that's what Mike my quarters are you [TS]

00:31:34   wearing a robe I there maybe I'm not [TS]

00:31:37   going to give away all my secrets [TS]

00:31:38   depends on the skull but you know [TS]

00:31:40   they're like this guy seems like a [TS]

00:31:41   friend this guy seems like our dead but [TS]

00:31:43   he has a sim attar he says of this shit [TS]

00:31:46   it seems like a real straight shooter [TS]

00:31:47   and the open his briefcase when there's [TS]

00:31:49   a blunderbuss [TS]

00:31:53   can you imagine the eyes around the [TS]

00:31:56   table they have what we in the business [TS]

00:31:58   call all hands meeting bring everybody [TS]

00:32:00   into the big room and Craft services [TS]

00:32:02   there they got fuckin artisanal coffee [TS]

00:32:05   and malaysian a bad throw rocks it with [TS]

00:32:09   a large leather belt with a sim attar [TS]

00:32:11   and it's surprisingly costly briefcase [TS]

00:32:13   that rattles when he walks he is missing [TS]

00:32:16   a front tooth allowing introduce you to [TS]

00:32:20   John John's gonna be running the company [TS]

00:32:24   from here on out it's crowded and you [TS]

00:32:28   know this is the thing I'm and you can [TS]

00:32:31   actually get your forest gumps you got [TS]

00:32:33   your bigs you got other Tom Hanks movies [TS]

00:32:35   you got you know the being there thing [TS]

00:32:37   where you've got this person who's [TS]

00:32:39   wandering around and everybody's [TS]

00:32:41   guessing all these things about what [TS]

00:32:43   they're doing right that you're guessing [TS]

00:32:44   that you know a big right you're [TS]

00:32:47   guessing the tom hanks who is a child [TS]

00:32:48   inside of a grown-up body is trying to [TS]

00:32:50   undermine everybody there's guessing [TS]

00:32:53   right you know what I mean they're [TS]

00:32:54   guessing that that chance the gardener [TS]

00:32:55   is is you know wants to be president [TS]

00:32:58   wants to do is watch TV I think it's the [TS]

00:33:00   same thing here [TS]

00:33:01   exactly except in Reverse which is you [TS]

00:33:03   come in you look a little bit like you [TS]

00:33:06   had a rough patch and they don't know if [TS]

00:33:08   that's a matar Israel but they're sure [TS]

00:33:10   it's fucking to find out right and then [TS]

00:33:12   it turns out might underestimate you [TS]

00:33:14   John i actually have a head for business [TS]

00:33:16   that no one could have foreseen the john [TS]

00:33:22   III think your work is is presenting [TS]

00:33:25   itself i mean you can still use still [TS]

00:33:26   dick around and make things on Twitter [TS]

00:33:28   and yeah I hope you still consider doing [TS]

00:33:30   the show after you've got that office or [TS]

00:33:32   maybe after year at the top of the child [TS]

00:33:34   building you might be the head showed em [TS]

00:33:37   well the thing is I'm gonna at first [TS]

00:33:39   thing I'm gonna do the moving company [TS]

00:33:40   out of the job building but the other [TS]

00:33:44   lists are you ready and come after [TS]

00:33:46   you've done this a couple times you know [TS]

00:33:48   you get a couple under your belt you can [TS]

00:33:50   come pick with those bits that you've [TS]

00:33:52   written like maybe on a subway for her [TS]

00:33:54   to come in and you've got John's not 11 [TS]

00:33:58   and 14 how many point being I think 14 [TS]

00:34:00   points the patient has 14 points i am a [TS]

00:34:03   limit our agenda and you come and you [TS]

00:34:06   spread it out you can with your finger [TS]

00:34:08   flick off a little bit of green pepper [TS]

00:34:09   and you show him how it's gonna go [TS]

00:34:12   yeah listen first thing we're out of the [TS]

00:34:13   child building we're spending too much [TS]

00:34:14   money here and we're surrounded by joke [TS]

00:34:16   you're pulling operations you tell us [TS]

00:34:18   when we gotta move we gotta move some of [TS]

00:34:19   these deck chairs around things are [TS]

00:34:20   things are going to change now when you [TS]

00:34:22   come in in that situation I think [TS]

00:34:24   obviously if you're introduced here's [TS]

00:34:25   the thing is one of the project manager [TS]

00:34:27   and yes you know i'ma pussy you have [TS]

00:34:29   some called a project mandate which is [TS]

00:34:31   when somebody powerful signs off on a [TS]

00:34:34   project and says you see this home a [TS]

00:34:36   pussy over here [TS]

00:34:37   this guy is allowed to speak for me oh [TS]

00:34:40   yeah right this is the power i'm talking [TS]

00:34:42   about its the sprocket mean it has it [TS]

00:34:44   has its uses but it's not a piece of [TS]

00:34:46   paper that makes it useful [TS]

00:34:48   it's the it's the powerful person who [TS]

00:34:51   people not just as in a position to fire [TS]

00:34:53   you but could potentially ruin you when [TS]

00:34:55   I person they've only seen pictures of [TS]

00:34:56   in the in the lobby of the building [TS]

00:34:58   comes in and says this is fucking John [TS]

00:35:00   sit down like a gentleman and listen [TS]

00:35:01   it's the threat of the summit are coming [TS]

00:35:03   down on their exposed nothing as he saw [TS]

00:35:05   you walk in with that and he was fine [TS]

00:35:08   with it like you're not you're not [TS]

00:35:09   you're not allowed to eat a burrito at [TS]

00:35:10   your desk but a man literally in a [TS]

00:35:12   bathroom with scimitars came in [TS]

00:35:13   introduce you you didn't say your last [TS]

00:35:15   name [TS]

00:35:16   yeah all you need to know this is john [TS]

00:35:17   shut the fuck up but when you come in [TS]

00:35:20   are you going to be so a lot of people [TS]

00:35:21   we have these cultural I you know I have [TS]

00:35:24   you know as you know I have some friends [TS]

00:35:26   that work at they make contacts and [TS]

00:35:27   tekken makes right hand and sometimes as [TS]

00:35:30   the company grows this happens but [TS]

00:35:31   you're just having happened [TS]

00:35:32   I want this is just as an outsider I see [TS]

00:35:35   this catastrophic thing happen where [TS]

00:35:37   they go the cultures all fucked up [TS]

00:35:39   let's bring in some fucktard from [TS]

00:35:40   somewhere else and they'll fix the [TS]

00:35:42   culture you know what I mean which is [TS]

00:35:44   you know I guess it's some sense of [TS]

00:35:47   fighting fire with fire but it never [TS]

00:35:48   works [TS]

00:35:49   yeah you you need a you need somebody [TS]

00:35:50   who is an agent of change isn't just [TS]

00:35:52   going to come in there and hand out [TS]

00:35:53   copies of starbucks book you want you [TS]

00:35:55   want to and it literally happened [TS]

00:35:57   yeah and also leave me I I know and I've [TS]

00:35:59   read enough of those things where I just [TS]

00:36:00   go uh-oh you're doing it wrong [TS]

00:36:04   it allows the shitty ones in the middle [TS]

00:36:05   of the middle ones at least pretend to [TS]

00:36:07   listen for a week right [TS]

00:36:09   but the really great ones i think on day [TS]

00:36:11   one you know things like fucking George [TS]

00:36:13   Patton walking in you he's not going to [TS]

00:36:15   sit around and go I'm just here to [TS]

00:36:17   listen right so go into you go in under [TS]

00:36:20   the radar or do you walk in with the CEO [TS]

00:36:23   that they've never met [TS]

00:36:24   could you know what actually you can [TS]

00:36:25   bring someone who looks like the CEO i [TS]

00:36:26   think i'll be equally effective but i [TS]

00:36:28   can when you can read an actor reenactor [TS]

00:36:33   and I've got a scimitar just in the [TS]

00:36:34   center of this back and saved by the [TS]

00:36:36   bell [TS]

00:36:36   shut up no you know that the the obvious [TS]

00:36:41   thing about businesses that I mean all [TS]

00:36:43   these people started a business and then [TS]

00:36:44   got to got it to the point where they're [TS]

00:36:48   in confidence now is the is the only [TS]

00:36:51   thing in their confidence is the only [TS]

00:36:53   blood that runs through these veins [TS]

00:36:54   anymore [TS]

00:36:55   you have no fucking idea how they make [TS]

00:36:57   money anymore where they know what maybe [TS]

00:36:59   that's the problem with these monkeys [TS]

00:37:00   they probably never made money they've [TS]

00:37:02   gotten checks from their mom and now [TS]

00:37:04   they got checks from somebody on sand [TS]

00:37:05   hill road and they've never had somebody [TS]

00:37:07   come in to get that tea out of your [TS]

00:37:09   mouth sit down and make a fucking 3d [TS]

00:37:11   printer you know what i mean and so [TS]

00:37:12   they're they're dicking around the [TS]

00:37:14   riding on slides to throwing balls [TS]

00:37:16   around three and Craft services but you [TS]

00:37:18   know I've been dealing with those people [TS]

00:37:19   i'm in and in another form for 25 years [TS]

00:37:23   which is what is rock that is rock and [TS]

00:37:25   roll [TS]

00:37:26   yeah I've been dealing with people they [TS]

00:37:27   can't look at another human being not [TS]

00:37:29   challenging ready on day one my whole [TS]

00:37:31   life and and dealing with people where [TS]

00:37:33   it's just like okay there's seven people [TS]

00:37:35   in the room with seven different agendas [TS]

00:37:37   and noone and and everybody is acting [TS]

00:37:40   like we all agree and the and the the [TS]

00:37:44   second there's a power vacuum this is [TS]

00:37:46   good it's going to turn into a lord of [TS]

00:37:48   the flies and really there's only one [TS]

00:37:50   person in the room that matters [TS]

00:37:52   there's only one person in the room that [TS]

00:37:53   whoever anybody should be paying any [TS]

00:37:55   attention to and that's the guy with the [TS]

00:37:56   idea the Senate are but well no not that [TS]

00:37:59   it in those situations is not the guy [TS]

00:38:01   with the scimitars there's usually a guy [TS]

00:38:03   that has the song [TS]

00:38:04   ok that's the guy that had the ideal [TS]

00:38:06   like you said in the studio this is this [TS]

00:38:08   is the guy this is the guy he says okay [TS]

00:38:10   why don't you take another hour to get [TS]

00:38:12   your solo where you want to be and then [TS]

00:38:14   we're done with that [TS]

00:38:15   yeah yeah yeah and that you know and and [TS]

00:38:17   and and the fact that the drummer is the [TS]

00:38:19   loudest guy in the room where the [TS]

00:38:20   drummer is the guy with all the opinions [TS]

00:38:22   you know somebody needs to take the [TS]

00:38:24   drummer for a walk [TS]

00:38:26   somebody needs somebody needed [TS]

00:38:27   somebody's to say hey you know what I'm [TS]

00:38:29   thinking about having my car detailed do [TS]

00:38:31   you want to come out and take a look at [TS]

00:38:32   her [TS]

00:38:33   heard of so bag me to do you want to see [TS]

00:38:37   ya let me show you my office [TS]

00:38:39   let me show you my office is nice right [TS]

00:38:42   and suddenly the problem resolved [TS]

00:38:43   themselves [TS]

00:38:44   hey look what i have in my briefcase oh [TS]

00:38:46   it's a blunderbuss you know what a lot [TS]

00:38:50   of people in modern forensics you know [TS]

00:38:53   they're used to dealing with all of the [TS]

00:38:55   all the various kinds of munitions that [TS]

00:38:58   you see on the street today I'll [TS]

00:38:59   splatter patterns you had a sawed-off [TS]

00:39:02   blood plus it would know you know the [TS]

00:39:05   thing is you can make a blunderbuss with [TS]

00:39:06   the with the with a and stuff you buy it [TS]

00:39:08   up exactly the kind of thing that people [TS]

00:39:10   need to learn i did i did not know that [TS]

00:39:12   I think about this you think about back [TS]

00:39:14   in school [TS]

00:39:15   your public school and you get a walk [TS]

00:39:18   into class and there's a sub and like [TS]

00:39:21   there's usually two kinds of substitute [TS]

00:39:22   teachers just as soon as you said that I [TS]

00:39:24   got excited it was like a hoe substitute [TS]

00:39:26   today haha oh forget about it forget [TS]

00:39:29   about you come in there and it's in my [TS]

00:39:31   experience some of the time it will be [TS]

00:39:33   someone extremely old who mostly reason [TS]

00:39:36   to come back as he or really young like [TS]

00:39:38   a young teacher at the site that is [TS]

00:39:41   super dumb and and and wants to stick to [TS]

00:39:44   the lesson plan she's got the lesson [TS]

00:39:46   plan [TS]

00:39:47   she's read some books that but then [TS]

00:39:49   think about the time that you walked in [TS]

00:39:51   and the substitute teacher was a [TS]

00:39:54   forty-year-old that creep at a mustache [TS]

00:39:57   it doesn't it's not good i was thinking [TS]

00:40:01   I've been in so many situations where [TS]

00:40:03   you know I I'm whatever the opposite of [TS]

00:40:06   a handful is I was always happy to not [TS]

00:40:08   cause trouble by and large least for the [TS]

00:40:09   first you know 10 years but I you know [TS]

00:40:12   the thing is the class gets a little out [TS]

00:40:13   of control you know that lady that lady [TS]

00:40:15   with the handbook and that you've been [TS]

00:40:17   watching some some to Betamax tapes [TS]

00:40:19   about how to become a teacher and she [TS]

00:40:21   comes in there and it's immediately Lord [TS]

00:40:23   of the Flies everything's totally out of [TS]

00:40:24   control but you know what happens it [TS]

00:40:25   gets so bad she picks up the black phone [TS]

00:40:27   and in walks Frank careful [TS]

00:40:30   knoxville principal the vice-principal [TS]

00:40:32   the Dean of boys in walk somebody who is [TS]

00:40:35   a known hard-ass maybe somebody was [TS]

00:40:37   waiting on a tennis racket and swings in [TS]

00:40:38   a cafeteria [TS]

00:40:39   I'm saying oh it's only you I because [TS]

00:40:42   the first thing that guy does when he [TS]

00:40:43   walked in as he grabs me [TS]

00:40:45   me and says come on we're going down to [TS]

00:40:46   the office I'm gonna hurl [TS]

00:40:48   yeah let's go for a walk let me show you [TS]

00:40:50   what's in my briefcase well you know if [TS]

00:40:52   you cut off the head you know I'm saying [TS]

00:40:54   but I'm all I'm saying is like you know [TS]

00:40:55   what if you didn't even need the [TS]

00:40:56   principal in that instance if you walked [TS]

00:40:58   in there was a man with a seminar [TS]

00:40:59   standing there and he's already he's [TS]

00:41:02   already [TS]

00:41:02   I don't know are you mad or disappointed [TS]

00:41:04   or are you just what when you're the [TS]

00:41:06   substitute teacher i was going to say [TS]

00:41:07   was that the principal comes in and [TS]

00:41:09   suddenly everybody stands erect because [TS]

00:41:11   they know that this is not someone to [TS]

00:41:12   trifle with this is not a substitute [TS]

00:41:13   principal yeah this is the guy who holds [TS]

00:41:16   your hand yeah in every classroom when [TS]

00:41:18   you walk in the door and I and I know [TS]

00:41:20   this for many years were going to school [TS]

00:41:21   you walk in the door of a classroom on [TS]

00:41:24   the first day of school and you scan [TS]

00:41:26   those those chairs and you think which [TS]

00:41:29   chairs mine and there are a lot of kids [TS]

00:41:32   that grab that first row chairs is that [TS]

00:41:35   one of their because they're duggars and [TS]

00:41:37   they want to set up from and then [TS]

00:41:39   they're the they're the guys with the [TS]

00:41:40   mullets and the baseball hats on [TS]

00:41:41   backwards that are better grabbing that [TS]

00:41:43   last row of chairs who because they're [TS]

00:41:47   the guys that are in the back then [TS]

00:41:50   they're all the people that just fill in [TS]

00:41:51   just take a chair doesn't matter even [TS]

00:41:53   though this is a decision you be sitting [TS]

00:41:55   in this chair for the whole school year [TS]

00:41:57   we'll just walk in and grab a chair [TS]

00:41:59   whatever don't even think about it but I [TS]

00:42:03   was always looking for the power desk [TS]

00:42:06   and the power desk is toward the back [TS]

00:42:10   but not all the way in the back and it [TS]

00:42:16   is basically it's close to the windows [TS]

00:42:19   with her and it is in a position you're [TS]

00:42:25   in a position where you can control the [TS]

00:42:27   temperature of the classroom [TS]

00:42:29   it is basically the opposite pole from [TS]

00:42:33   the teacher's desk need to find the desk [TS]

00:42:35   in the classroom that is the opposite [TS]

00:42:37   pole of the teacher's desk and it [TS]

00:42:39   doesn't mean it's on the exact opposite [TS]

00:42:41   side of the room because it could be on [TS]

00:42:42   teachers side of the benefits going to [TS]

00:42:44   very heavily by classroom and invited by [TS]

00:42:47   setup it is the power pole that i would [TS]

00:42:50   try to find because because my goal in [TS]

00:42:53   every classroom was to be the opposite [TS]

00:42:54   pole of the teacher [TS]

00:42:56   to be the name that negative terminal to [TS]

00:43:01   their positive to me like the same [TS]

00:43:03   student and i would i would buy metadesk [TS]

00:43:05   and I would sit there and the first few [TS]

00:43:07   days of school I would it would just I [TS]

00:43:09   would just be so quiet and calm because [TS]

00:43:13   I wanted everyone in the class to just [TS]

00:43:16   get into a groove you really start to [TS]

00:43:19   develop relationships with the teacher I [TS]

00:43:22   was just so patient because they knew my [TS]

00:43:28   time would come and what it did then no [TS]

00:43:33   one no one ever sees it you know and a [TS]

00:43:35   lot of kids that they came up in school [TS]

00:43:38   with me do whatever i SAT like there [TS]

00:43:40   would be people that's that immediately [TS]

00:43:41   chose the seats kind of in that vicinity [TS]

00:43:44   because they wanted to be part of the [TS]

00:43:45   fun and student kids that's that as far [TS]

00:43:49   as they could because they didn't wanna [TS]

00:43:50   didn't even want to get in reflected [TS]

00:43:52   trouble they want to be in that shampoo [TS]

00:43:56   splashdown [TS]

00:43:57   damn you even one they didn't want any [TS]

00:43:59   didn't want the Smashing aider or [TS]

00:44:03   whatever the hell that Gallagher hammer [TS]

00:44:04   is didn't want any water mount on them [TS]

00:44:07   uh-huh and as a substitute teacher if i [TS]

00:44:13   were to be a substitute teacher in high [TS]

00:44:15   school I would walk into that class and [TS]

00:44:19   I would scream at room as the students [TS]

00:44:20   were sitting down and i was looking you [TS]

00:44:23   know they were still kind of making [TS]

00:44:24   noise and talk to each other and looking [TS]

00:44:26   at me with sidelong glances I would be [TS]

00:44:28   sitting up at the blackboard trying to [TS]

00:44:31   identify that opposite pole because you [TS]

00:44:37   can see it take shape in a classroom of [TS]

00:44:39   kids as they as they come in and sit [TS]

00:44:41   down you can see where that power pole [TS]

00:44:43   is by who the kids are and how they're [TS]

00:44:47   how they see themselves and how they you [TS]

00:44:49   know what how how they look at you how [TS]

00:44:51   they look at each other and i would i'd [TS]

00:44:54   try and zoom in on where that power [TS]

00:44:55   poles because that's the that's the only [TS]

00:44:57   chair that matters in a classroom that [TS]

00:44:59   you are that you are trying to teach for [TS]

00:45:01   one day [TS]

00:45:02   you know what I mean like if you are you [TS]

00:45:04   in some ways looking for the younger and [TS]

00:45:07   less experienced version of yourself [TS]

00:45:09   well but but you can even in that poll [TS]

00:45:12   you know what you know what that seat is [TS]

00:45:14   you've been in that seat [TS]

00:45:15   yeah but about but that the opposite the [TS]

00:45:17   teachers opposite in every classroom [TS]

00:45:19   kind of difference that it's not always [TS]

00:45:21   the comedian or the the shit disturber [TS]

00:45:24   it's you know they're there are there [TS]

00:45:28   there can be a lot of variations on this [TS]

00:45:30   there's that there could be the [TS]

00:45:31   disgruntled girl that's never but it's [TS]

00:45:34   nothing is ever right you know that can [TS]

00:45:36   be your opposite it just depends on it [TS]

00:45:39   just depends like it and you can feel it [TS]

00:45:41   it's really it is if it's a matter of [TS]

00:45:43   feeling the room and if you walk into a [TS]

00:45:45   boardroom if you walk into any kind of [TS]

00:45:48   room where there are 25 people and that [TS]

00:45:52   where the 25 people know each other and [TS]

00:45:54   you are new with you look for that pole [TS]

00:45:58   you look for the the center of gravity [TS]

00:46:01   that exists in the room and that's you [TS]

00:46:05   know that and that's the part that's [TS]

00:46:06   kind of the axis that you have to focus [TS]

00:46:08   on you can't just start talking to the [TS]

00:46:11   front row because if you're giving your [TS]

00:46:13   you start giving your presentation like [TS]

00:46:14   hey everybody how's it going love to see [TS]

00:46:16   all your bright and smiling faces and [TS]

00:46:18   you're talking to the front row you're [TS]

00:46:21   gonna hear a sound from the back of the [TS]

00:46:22   room that you don't like there's gonna [TS]

00:46:23   be like up and then your then you've [TS]

00:46:26   lost it [TS]

00:46:27   the room is you know it's it's it's over [TS]

00:46:29   so anyway that as a substitute teacher [TS]

00:46:33   as a guy walking into a corporate [TS]

00:46:35   boardroom who as I do every time I walk [TS]

00:46:37   into a room where it's unfamiliar you [TS]

00:46:39   know I'm scanning people as they walk in [TS]

00:46:41   and watching you know who's the who is [TS]

00:46:44   my who's my opposite pole here who's the [TS]

00:46:47   one who thinks the room belongs to Ben [TS]

00:46:49   and and even you're way ahead of me [TS]

00:46:52   because I mean it seems to me that the [TS]

00:46:53   skills that you've accrued from being [TS]

00:46:54   such a problem make you uniquely capable [TS]

00:46:57   at going into a situation like that and [TS]

00:47:00   you know it just seems to me that given [TS]

00:47:02   that you are empowered by that guy from [TS]

00:47:04   safe from the city by the Bell you could [TS]

00:47:05   potentially come in and cut off [TS]

00:47:07   someone's left hand if you find the pole [TS]

00:47:09   if you come into the corporate boardroom [TS]

00:47:10   and you find one guy who looks like a [TS]

00:47:12   little bit full of beans [TS]

00:47:13   yeah maybe just a finger maybe take off [TS]

00:47:15   a pinky me just like Al Capone with a [TS]

00:47:17   baseball bat right just walk over and go [TS]

00:47:18   hey great to see III [TS]

00:47:20   I couldn't help but notice that you made [TS]

00:47:21   a fart sound a second ago and whack ohh [TS]

00:47:24   thats one finger you get nine left [TS]

00:47:28   oh right oh well I mean that time you [TS]

00:47:31   could always take more than that off it [TS]

00:47:33   isn't done but there's not enough [TS]

00:47:35   capriciousness and leadership there [TS]

00:47:37   should be I mean the whole idea of [TS]

00:47:39   decimation i think a lot of people don't [TS]

00:47:41   understand what that word means and then [TS]

00:47:42   you can correct me if I'm wrong as ever [TS]

00:47:44   but my understanding of destination was [TS]

00:47:46   the Romans would come in and say okay [TS]

00:47:47   you know who tried who tried to put [TS]

00:47:50   feces and the soldiers well and i'm [TS]

00:47:52   going to say not me [TS]

00:47:53   and so they did kill one out of every 10 [TS]

00:47:55   people and say let me ask you that [TS]

00:47:57   question again that's my understanding [TS]

00:47:58   of decimation was we make an example out [TS]

00:48:01   of one of you and then one-tenth of you [TS]

00:48:03   and then we just keep winning that down [TS]

00:48:04   until somebody's willing to tell us what [TS]

00:48:06   we want to know [TS]

00:48:07   yeah there's always you can always take [TS]

00:48:08   one tenth away and you get ever closer [TS]

00:48:11   2012 not that much always get there [TS]

00:48:15   oh no although if you're talking about [TS]

00:48:16   an army of 100,000 man it says there's a [TS]

00:48:19   lot of blood in the river [TS]

00:48:21   yeah what's nobody said it wasn't any [TS]

00:48:22   time consuming and then run wasn't app [TS]

00:48:24   anyway you know everybody is so scared [TS]

00:48:26   about getting sued now people are scared [TS]

00:48:29   about getting sued so higher higher and [TS]

00:48:32   his lawyer that's right hire an actor [TS]

00:48:34   let them to him [TS]

00:48:36   people are afraid of getting sued who [TS]

00:48:37   are never in their lives ever ever ever [TS]

00:48:40   going to get sued [TS]

00:48:41   you know I I was backing into a parking [TS]

00:48:44   spot [TS]

00:48:45   not very long ago in front of us of a [TS]

00:48:48   hair salon hair and nail salon and it [TS]

00:48:51   was a tight parking spot and as I was [TS]

00:48:54   backing into the parking spot the UH I i [TS]

00:49:01   did not make it all the way in and this [TS]

00:49:03   is embarrassing for me to say it wasn't [TS]

00:49:06   it was an awkward spot offered Lee [TS]

00:49:08   situated it was not it was not a parking [TS]

00:49:10   lot parking concept problem but I had to [TS]

00:49:14   I had to pull out in and start again and [TS]

00:49:17   in the course of doing this the people [TS]

00:49:22   in the salon but the customers and the [TS]

00:49:24   salon people the worker people the sala [TS]

00:49:28   nieces [TS]

00:49:30   they took an interest in this and they [TS]

00:49:35   got up out of their chairs and all came [TS]

00:49:38   out onto the sidewalk because the car in [TS]

00:49:44   the back belong to one of the people at [TS]

00:49:47   the salon and as I'm backing into this [TS]

00:49:51   spot a second time one of the one of the [TS]

00:49:56   people says if you hit my car I'm gonna [TS]

00:50:00   sue you and this is I mean I'm talking [TS]

00:50:05   about like a bit if I had touched it [TS]

00:50:07   would've been like a little bump [TS]

00:50:10   I mean a little bump and it was a it was [TS]

00:50:15   a fascinating study in for me in the way [TS]

00:50:18   that people think the world works [TS]

00:50:20   you know and after I got out of the car [TS]

00:50:23   and they worse kind of still standing on [TS]

00:50:25   the sidewalk watching now my car be [TS]

00:50:28   parked i said i would like you to call [TS]

00:50:32   the police now so that we can begin this [TS]

00:50:35   lawsuit process and of course you know [TS]

00:50:38   there was a lot of shit talking back and [TS]

00:50:39   forth between me and these 11 girls [TS]

00:50:42   because that's out there that's how do [TS]

00:50:45   something yeah but this idea that that a [TS]

00:50:51   lot that the threat of a lawsuit has [TS]

00:50:54   filtered down in our culture to the [TS]

00:50:56   point that this person is this car that [TS]

00:50:59   i was about to bump into was in 1994 [TS]

00:51:02   Ford black s-10 pickup or whatever it [TS]

00:51:08   was not a thing [TS]

00:51:09   it was nothing like I felt like opening [TS]

00:51:11   my wall and throwing the money for that [TS]

00:51:14   truck was worth at her and demanding the [TS]

00:51:16   key right [TS]

00:51:18   um but this idea that you know it and [TS]

00:51:21   she did it like straight it was straight [TS]

00:51:23   face it like that out that the threat of [TS]

00:51:26   a lawsuit has become is the new I'm [TS]

00:51:30   gonna call the police [TS]

00:51:31   yeah I'm gonna call my mom and you and [TS]

00:51:33   you you scale that up to a world where [TS]

00:51:36   lawsuits actually do happen in in in [TS]

00:51:38   companies where people actually do sue [TS]

00:51:41   for discrimination or they do sue [TS]

00:51:44   for wrongful termination or they do sue [TS]

00:51:46   for sexual harassment and you apply that [TS]

00:51:50   that the fact that it that the the [TS]

00:51:53   thread is more real [TS]

00:51:54   but but that we all carry around in the [TS]

00:51:57   back of our minds the possibility that a [TS]

00:51:59   lawsuit is a thing that could be that we [TS]

00:52:02   could be hit with at any moment and it [TS]

00:52:06   it creates this inhibiting fear I think [TS]

00:52:09   nationwide and maybe even now around the [TS]

00:52:13   world and inhibiting fear of just doing [TS]

00:52:17   what you need and what needs to get done [TS]

00:52:18   at end and being who you are and the [TS]

00:52:23   reality about a lawsuit is that fuck you [TS]

00:52:27   really you're gonna you know like the [TS]

00:52:30   the number of lawsuits that it is it is [TS]

00:52:34   the it is a rare occasion when you can [TS]

00:52:37   get when you can get an actual lawsuit [TS]

00:52:40   off the ground and roll one you know [TS]

00:52:41   what I mean it like that spending like [TS]

00:52:43   $50,000 you gotta have the money you [TS]

00:52:46   gotta have a few you gotta have us that [TS]

00:52:48   you've got to have a case that makes [TS]

00:52:49   sense to everybody you have to have a [TS]

00:52:52   real burr in your saddle you know and [TS]

00:52:56   and yet I talk to people all the time [TS]

00:52:59   whether like well yeah I'd love to do [TS]

00:53:01   that but you know we'd probably get sued [TS]

00:53:02   it's like you know what you kind of take [TS]

00:53:05   the risk sometime sometimes that [TS]

00:53:08   yeah it is conceivable that you like [TS]

00:53:11   that you might get sued but but that is [TS]

00:53:15   a risk you need to take sometimes you [TS]

00:53:18   need to take the risk that you're gonna [TS]

00:53:19   get some remaining a little bit of the [TS]

00:53:21   altercation you had with with the fellow [TS]

00:53:24   at the bar who was not aware that punch [TS]

00:53:27   in the nose was something that really [TS]

00:53:28   could happen exactly right the kind of [TS]

00:53:30   person who threatens to say what did he [TS]

00:53:32   say to you this is there are [TS]

00:53:34   consequences [TS]

00:53:35   yeah right i mean that that it strikes [TS]

00:53:37   me that I you know I have friends who [TS]

00:53:40   are lawyers and friends who are not [TS]

00:53:41   acquaintances it seems to me that by and [TS]

00:53:44   large the people who I never here [TS]

00:53:47   threatening to sue someone is a lawyer [TS]

00:53:50   because they understand what it means it [TS]

00:53:52   up and it gets on the one hand it's sort [TS]

00:53:53   of like threatening to go to medical [TS]

00:53:54   school like if you get my [TS]

00:53:57   car I'm gonna go to medical school like [TS]

00:53:59   i'm gonna go spend a lot of time and [TS]

00:54:01   money for something that might work out [TS]

00:54:02   okay and i'm going to stop everything [TS]

00:54:04   but if you've ever been sued or have [TS]

00:54:06   actually sue somebody it seems like [TS]

00:54:08   about the most draining process in the [TS]

00:54:09   world [TS]

00:54:10   yeah so that's the thing as with people [TS]

00:54:12   who threaten make the violence as with [TS]

00:54:15   people who accuse other people being [TS]

00:54:17   hypocrites and as with people who are [TS]

00:54:18   constantly doing lawsuits I think [TS]

00:54:20   they're mainly scared of the thing that [TS]

00:54:22   they're threatening you with and assume [TS]

00:54:25   that that will work on you [TS]

00:54:27   yeah and so often does I mean you know [TS]

00:54:29   how many business situations do you know [TS]

00:54:30   where where everybody in the company [TS]

00:54:33   knows like this one person is the [TS]

00:54:35   problem [TS]

00:54:36   okay there's one person in this [TS]

00:54:37   situation is just a problem this person [TS]

00:54:39   needs to go and yet that should be like [TS]

00:54:43   point number three it's no John that is [TS]

00:54:45   so he just so many people you going to [TS]

00:54:47   talk to these places there is one person [TS]

00:54:49   that is just killing the place [TS]

00:54:50   yeah this guy needs to go but we can't [TS]

00:54:52   get rid of him why can't you get rid of [TS]

00:54:54   him [TS]

00:54:55   well because he had he might suit he's [TS]

00:54:57   got diabetes [TS]

00:54:58   yeah a mess with us yeah it's [TS]

00:55:00   discrimination discrimination or he just [TS]

00:55:02   might sue you know like you or or we [TS]

00:55:04   just don't have it all he doesn't even [TS]

00:55:06   need a reason just the whole idea that [TS]

00:55:08   we might this guy who obviously is a nut [TS]

00:55:10   job and that's why we need to get rid of [TS]

00:55:11   them [TS]

00:55:12   this is very nutjob eNOS that makes us [TS]

00:55:14   think that he's just the kind of nutjob [TS]

00:55:15   might see us right and when we have in [TS]

00:55:18   our corporate a it a boilerplate all the [TS]

00:55:22   reasons that you need to to a mass in [TS]

00:55:25   order to properly fire somebody and so [TS]

00:55:27   we have to even though that you know [TS]

00:55:29   this is our this is our internal policy [TS]

00:55:31   like we have to follow it to the letter [TS]

00:55:34   and we have to spend him and my mom [TS]

00:55:36   talks about this 30 years ago [TS]

00:55:38   there's like what there's one guy in the [TS]

00:55:40   in the place that needs to go but he but [TS]

00:55:42   but we ended up paying him for another [TS]

00:55:45   year until we could come around to his [TS]

00:55:48   performance review again where we had [TS]

00:55:51   documented his you know because he would [TS]

00:55:53   always improve right before it's like [TS]

00:55:56   trying to catch a dog shitting on the [TS]

00:55:58   run it's like you you have to like you [TS]

00:56:00   see you have to spend all of your time [TS]

00:56:01   like walking on eggshells and saying I [TS]

00:56:04   hope we finally catch this guy doing the [TS]

00:56:06   thing that we know we can the music [TS]

00:56:09   double yeah right and in some cases you [TS]

00:56:12   know you just have to fire the guy and [TS]

00:56:16   he and you know he's not gonna sue or if [TS]

00:56:22   he does he's gonna lose and what you're [TS]

00:56:26   so you're saying it's not like we are [TS]

00:56:27   saying is like yes suing will happen and [TS]

00:56:30   if you're at the show corporation they [TS]

00:56:32   probably have the resources to deal with [TS]

00:56:33   that kind of thing you certainly don't [TS]

00:56:34   want to invite things like nuisance [TS]

00:56:36   lawsuits obviously I but at the same [TS]

00:56:39   time you're saying that that leads to a [TS]

00:56:40   certain kind of what cultural [TS]

00:56:42   apprehensive pneus that makes us less [TS]

00:56:44   effective we become pussy certainly we [TS]

00:56:47   know what happens in a company and earn [TS]

00:56:49   any organization as you stop believing [TS]

00:56:51   in yourself you stop believing that you [TS]

00:56:52   doing the Lord's work because i am [TS]

00:56:55   because you see every day how you're [TS]

00:56:57   being hamstrung by this you know by [TS]

00:57:00   someone who is intentionally disruptive [TS]

00:57:03   and you need to you need to get think [TS]

00:57:04   that you need to get the cancer out and [TS]

00:57:06   as my dad used to say that's what [TS]

00:57:07   lawyers before I mean that's why we're [TS]

00:57:08   that's why they get the can throw get [TS]

00:57:10   the cancer out [TS]

00:57:11   oh I was I had lunch with Ken Jennings [TS]

00:57:14   the Jeopardy you get dressed up like [TS]

00:57:17   doctors [TS]

00:57:18   yeah we have a good time we go around [TS]

00:57:19   and knock on people's doors just as [TS]

00:57:21   doctors they aren't you yeah I already [TS]

00:57:24   give them exams actually die from that [TS]

00:57:26   bored me but in the as we were doing we [TS]

00:57:29   were having a good time and I realized [TS]

00:57:32   we had this brilliant idea which was a [TS]

00:57:37   company that hires celebrities to [TS]

00:57:40   deliver subpoenas haha right you get [TS]

00:57:45   celebrities on the level of ken jennings [TS]

00:57:47   where a lot of people have seen Ken [TS]

00:57:48   Jennings they know who he is Ken [TS]

00:57:50   Jennings comes to your office he goes [TS]

00:57:52   hey is you know is Mark Miller here and [TS]

00:57:55   the Secretary's like aren't you can [TS]

00:57:57   Jennings and he's like that's right here [TS]

00:57:58   to see Mark Miller and she's like let me [TS]

00:58:00   get him [TS]

00:58:01   she's like bart miller in Genesis here [TS]

00:58:03   the guy comes running out he's like oh [TS]

00:58:04   my god can gentleman ken jennings hands [TS]

00:58:06   in the little blue folder flat even [TS]

00:58:08   served ah oh yeah no one's ever gonna [TS]

00:58:12   see that coming [TS]

00:58:14   celebrity process service [TS]

00:58:16   uh-huh right let me become part of the [TS]

00:58:22   problem that's what that's not a bad [TS]

00:58:23   idea i mean that seems like that could [TS]

00:58:25   be a short afternoon of work and you [TS]

00:58:28   know I mean you just go up you do a [TS]

00:58:30   thing and you're done you can sign some [TS]

00:58:31   autographs you know why you're there and [TS]

00:58:33   so let's have a lot of downtime who and [TS]

00:58:36   that mean actually projects and i think [TS]

00:58:38   i think what happens with a lot of [TS]

00:58:39   celebrities as the bait that they start [TS]

00:58:41   to feel they start to feel like what's [TS]

00:58:43   the what's their place in the world [TS]

00:58:45   what's the point [TS]

00:58:47   like are they doing good are they part [TS]

00:58:49   of the are they part of the world [TS]

00:58:50   anymore they just living in there so you [TS]

00:58:53   know they're solid gold bathtub i'm [TS]

00:58:56   projecting boop about what it must be [TS]

00:58:58   like to be a celebrity but you know if [TS]

00:59:00   they were out there in the world meeting [TS]

00:59:01   people serving subpoenas I think it [TS]

00:59:04   would get given frame their life in a [TS]

00:59:06   good way [TS]

00:59:07   anyway that's the kind of thing that you [TS]

00:59:09   could probably put together you know you [TS]

00:59:10   know a lot of people who are down on [TS]

00:59:11   their luck then people would recognize [TS]

00:59:13   that's right a lot of recognizable [TS]

00:59:15   people who are between three projects we [TS]

00:59:17   weren't you in that one band i love i [TS]

00:59:22   love writing an interactive president of [TS]

00:59:25   the slap [TS]

00:59:28   you're just going to defend but he [TS]

00:59:32   didn't used to host the late-night talk [TS]

00:59:34   show that's left are you the guy from [TS]

00:59:38   that commercial you've been served [TS]

00:59:40   I really think that somewhere out there [TS]

00:59:43   there is a corporate job because you you [TS]

00:59:46   know my uncle my uncle a lumberjack know [TS]

00:59:52   this is michael jackson's uncle Cal [TS]

00:59:54   uncle Cal was a he started working he [TS]

00:59:59   was a [TS]

00:59:59   was a [TS]

01:00:00   player and he started he grew up here in [TS]

01:00:02   Washington his father was a dive at ten [TS]

01:00:04   that would drive around and like by [TS]

01:00:08   strawberry fields and and put together [TS]

01:00:11   this Empire kind of you know [TS]

01:00:13   agricultural Empire and my uncle Cal [TS]

01:00:17   started working in the lumber business [TS]

01:00:20   in the in the fifties and sixties when [TS]

01:00:22   when in the northwest cutting down trees [TS]

01:00:26   was still seen as environmental work you [TS]

01:00:30   know when you're metal work of a kind my [TS]

01:00:32   dear my environment the the process of [TS]

01:00:36   turning my dad into an environmentalist [TS]

01:00:38   was and this is a thing that people are [TS]

01:00:41   generation at have a hard time grasping [TS]

01:00:43   was that my dad's generation believed [TS]

01:00:46   that that to be an environmentalist [TS]

01:00:50   meant that you went out in the forest [TS]

01:00:53   breathing deep of the mountain air and [TS]

01:00:57   chopped the fuck down some trees because [TS]

01:01:00   that was all that was the hardy kind of [TS]

01:01:02   outdoorsy man that that made America [TS]

01:01:06   strong of the idea of conserving trees [TS]

01:01:09   or not chopping down a tree had never [TS]

01:01:11   occurred to them like chopping down a [TS]

01:01:13   tree was the thing that that a that a [TS]

01:01:15   true woodsman did and uncle Cal started [TS]

01:01:19   in the lumber business in Washington [TS]

01:01:21   State and he ended up being vice [TS]

01:01:22   president of warehouser at a time when [TS]

01:01:26   the president of where hauser was George [TS]

01:01:28   where Hauser and this is that this is [TS]

01:01:31   during the era when companies that did [TS]

01:01:33   not have a CEO they had a president they [TS]

01:01:35   had one vice president and then they [TS]

01:01:38   then everyone else that seems like [TS]

01:01:40   halcyon days now [TS]

01:01:42   comparison with a sense you gotta [TS]

01:01:43   president you got advice but one vice [TS]

01:01:45   president president one vice president [TS]

01:01:48   and then get the Wreckers instructions [TS]

01:01:50   managers now you look at a company it's [TS]

01:01:52   like CEO CEO CFO COO cpo with chief [TS]

01:01:58   petty officer and then executive vice [TS]

01:02:01   president executive vice president and [TS]

01:02:02   then 17 vice-president get executives [TS]

01:02:06   you got seniors you got advice you got [TS]

01:02:08   junior it's like who are these people [TS]

01:02:10   that are the your you are a senior vice [TS]

01:02:13   president [TS]

01:02:13   you have five people working for a [TS]

01:02:15   second wait up archive humanity like one [TS]

01:02:18   of those people telling so annoying but [TS]

01:02:19   anyway so how r has a warehouse uncle [TS]

01:02:22   Cal vice-president warehouser and then [TS]

01:02:23   he became president of macmillan bloedel [TS]

01:02:26   Canada's largest timber company who and [TS]

01:02:30   he was president of macmillan bledel for [TS]

01:02:31   many many years and then he entered this [TS]

01:02:36   world which is the world that I aspire [TS]

01:02:38   to be a member of an ultimately king of [TS]

01:02:41   which is this world of people who used [TS]

01:02:45   to be generals of the army people who [TS]

01:02:49   are retired senators the President of [TS]

01:02:52   Princeton University former head of the [TS]

01:02:53   CIA professor emeritus professor [TS]

01:02:56   emeritus my uncle Cal became a guy who [TS]

01:02:59   was on the board of directors and first [TS]

01:03:05   he was on the board of directors of see [TS]

01:03:06   first bank and then he was on the board [TS]

01:03:08   of directors of bank of america and then [TS]

01:03:10   he was on the board of directors of and [TS]

01:03:12   then it just it went it became like a [TS]

01:03:15   spore situation where all of a sudden [TS]

01:03:17   what my uncle Cal did was be on the [TS]

01:03:20   board of directors of a couple of [TS]

01:03:23   companies and he would you be so you [TS]

01:03:25   would be so good at that of 20 companies [TS]

01:03:27   and and every one of them you know I [TS]

01:03:30   don't know how much a that a person on [TS]

01:03:32   board of directors gets paid now but [TS]

01:03:35   back in the eighties and nineties he was [TS]

01:03:38   getting paid a lot of money a lot more [TS]

01:03:40   than the people actually worked there [TS]

01:03:41   yeah that's right and he would describe [TS]

01:03:44   it he told us and the thing is he was a [TS]

01:03:47   Republican and up and a person who [TS]

01:03:49   believed in business and he would tell [TS]

01:03:50   these stories and he would not realize [TS]

01:03:52   how ironic they were because he because [TS]

01:03:57   it he was living in a world where this [TS]

01:03:59   seemed perfectly legitimate but he would [TS]

01:04:01   get he would wake up in the morning he [TS]

01:04:02   would drive down to the airport he would [TS]

01:04:04   get on a Learjet where he was the only [TS]

01:04:06   passenger and he would fly to California [TS]

01:04:08   where they would and then our car would [TS]

01:04:12   pick him up the airport and take them to [TS]

01:04:13   this board meeting where they would [TS]

01:04:15   spend an hour and a half [TS]

01:04:16   debating whether or not to raise the [TS]

01:04:18   minimum wage at their company from 425 [TS]

01:04:23   an hour to [TS]

01:04:24   440 an hour and they would decide that [TS]

01:04:27   they couldn't afford it and then if they [TS]

01:04:31   raise the minimum wage from for 25 to 40 [TS]

01:04:33   would jeopardize the company's bottom [TS]

01:04:36   line and so they would vote it down and [TS]

01:04:39   then an hour later he would be driven [TS]

01:04:41   back to the airport to Learjet where he [TS]

01:04:43   was the only passenger and flown home so [TS]

01:04:46   that he could have dinner at at home and [TS]

01:04:50   the irony never occurred to him and when [TS]

01:04:55   and when i pointed out that that not [TS]

01:04:59   just a bit obvious because I'm just [TS]

01:05:01   realized that that perhaps for example [TS]

01:05:03   if he taken a train or a personal car [TS]

01:05:06   instead of a one-man Learjet they might [TS]

01:05:09   be able to bump it up ten or fifteen [TS]

01:05:10   cents [TS]

01:05:11   well that the that basically the cost of [TS]

01:05:13   that a wage increase was born completely [TS]

01:05:19   who abide by the decision tonight but it [TS]

01:05:23   was contained in B in the aviation [TS]

01:05:26   gasoline costs of all the Learjets of [TS]

01:05:30   the board members that came to that [TS]

01:05:31   meeting like it they think it's like a [TS]

01:05:33   preston sturges movie like I said that [TS]

01:05:36   it's amazing that that would not occur [TS]

01:05:37   to him they squandered that that pay [TS]

01:05:40   raise and a thousand more like it in the [TS]

01:05:44   in the just in the in the nuts and bolts [TS]

01:05:46   process of doing business that way [TS]

01:05:50   American business and the fact is that [TS]

01:05:51   that is a board meeting that they could [TS]

01:05:53   have had over speakerphone that is the [TS]

01:05:55   board meeting but they could have had [TS]

01:05:57   via registered letter like it was there [TS]

01:06:00   is no reason that those people had to be [TS]

01:06:01   in the room together to to debate and [TS]

01:06:04   make that decision because basically [TS]

01:06:05   they're all made up their minds before [TS]

01:06:07   they arrive that seems like a foregone [TS]

01:06:08   conclusion and you know and to have the [TS]

01:06:10   Learjet standing by to take somebody to [TS]

01:06:12   fly I mean that their jet had probably [TS]

01:06:13   either was standing by or had fly up to [TS]

01:06:18   get him one and add gas is not a cheap [TS]

01:06:20   thing anyway when I pointed it out to [TS]

01:06:23   him his reaction was the same as when I [TS]

01:06:26   as every time basically pointed anything [TS]

01:06:29   out to him which was just like well [TS]

01:06:31   that's how business is done and you [TS]

01:06:34   don't [TS]

01:06:35   like you don't eat you don't understand [TS]

01:06:38   that it is necessary [TS]

01:06:40   um and and it and all that such a [TS]

01:06:43   typical reaction basically it all it all [TS]

01:06:46   works out in the wash because you know [TS]

01:06:48   because that because that gasoline and [TS]

01:06:50   that fight was tax deductible so [TS]

01:06:52   ultimately we don't pay for it because [TS]

01:06:54   it's free because we because we deducted [TS]

01:06:57   from our taxes and that's free because [TS]

01:06:59   of course taxes are terrible and you [TS]

01:07:03   know and as a as a twenty-three-year-old [TS]

01:07:05   idealist sitting in his admittedly [TS]

01:07:08   palatial living room which I enjoyed [TS]

01:07:11   being in very much and enjoyed the fact [TS]

01:07:14   that there's usually someone in a white [TS]

01:07:16   shirt handing me some food on a tray i [TS]

01:07:20   had I I was you know I was loath to look [TS]

01:07:23   to wash it you're inside the machine but [TS]

01:07:26   but but it you know it it resonated in [TS]

01:07:29   my head and have my whole life that the [TS]

01:07:33   that that is where the the pay raise [TS]

01:07:37   goes it goes right up the smoke stack of [TS]

01:07:40   the cost of doing business know-how my [TS]

01:07:44   god Kiki imagine how many companies [TS]

01:07:46   could benefit from really really really [TS]

01:07:48   hearing that right now you know i'm not [TS]

01:07:51   you know that may be part of the problem [TS]

01:07:53   also is so you're telling me he's on [TS]

01:07:55   like the not the board of advisors but [TS]

01:07:57   like the the board of directors board of [TS]

01:07:59   directors for directors and so he's not [TS]

01:08:01   the only one flew in for that meeting [TS]

01:08:02   other between 15 and that's that's a lot [TS]

01:08:07   of money lending jobs to quote Mel [TS]

01:08:08   Brooks here's the thing what if let's [TS]

01:08:11   say for the sake of argument [TS]

01:08:12   what if instead there's a company in the [TS]

01:08:14   Pacific Northwest that is tired of [TS]

01:08:16   spending all of that money to bring 15 [TS]

01:08:19   people in for a foregone conclusion [TS]

01:08:21   what if instead you can hire one man who [TS]

01:08:23   literally literally walk to the office [TS]

01:08:25   in a bathrobe and kind of that call [TS]

01:08:28   I'm gonna I'm gonna cut you know what we [TS]

01:08:29   can videoconference yeah I'm gonna walk [TS]

01:08:31   in Mahama play the guitar down and open [TS]

01:08:34   the briefcase [TS]

01:08:35   yes I'm gonna say here's the call CI [TS]

01:08:37   this is the thing though and this is why [TS]

01:08:38   i say you might to start out you might [TS]

01:08:39   want to restrict yourself to think that [TS]

01:08:41   you could walk to because or you know at [TS]

01:08:43   least take a cookie too because yes [TS]

01:08:44   first of all you're immediately a profit [TS]

01:08:47   Center rather than a cost Center [TS]

01:08:48   I met that's exactly the kind of you [TS]

01:08:50   know logic you're going to have to bring [TS]

01:08:52   these people you know maybe in a way [TS]

01:08:53   that is not gonna be comfortable at [TS]

01:08:55   first I think doing it over a conference [TS]

01:08:57   call my man can make you look a little [TS]

01:08:58   weird you know it but if you want if [TS]

01:09:00   you're in the room if you're in the room [TS]

01:09:02   with them with the scimitars I think [TS]

01:09:04   people are going to set up their seat a [TS]

01:09:05   little bit what if I what if it was a 3d [TS]

01:09:07   projection of me though haha that you [TS]

01:09:13   had some college monkeys built for you [TS]

01:09:14   I'm saying I'm saying what if I'm an [TS]

01:09:16   actor or ken jennings blacks walks in to [TS]

01:09:21   a board room sets down as small like the [TS]

01:09:23   size of a box of crackers a smart device [TS]

01:09:25   everybody looks up and he said yeah he [TS]

01:09:27   sets down a little black box outside [TS]

01:09:30   with box of crackers and he says lights [TS]

01:09:31   please [TS]

01:09:32   amendment Wow and now show why appear in [TS]

01:09:39   a row [TS]

01:09:40   this is slightly larger than life sucks [TS]

01:09:42   quotes that you're outside [TS]

01:09:44   yeah you're looking at a little like a [TS]

01:09:46   12 1.2 scale and and and and i want the [TS]

01:09:51   room and i started i started looking [TS]

01:09:53   everybody that it's not something that [TS]

01:09:55   projecting like Princess Leia you're [TS]

01:09:57   moving around the room around the room [TS]

01:09:59   and I'm looking everybody in the eyes [TS]

01:10:00   but they can't quite look into my eyes [TS]

01:10:02   because your eyes aren't that because my [TS]

01:10:04   eyes are black is black workers so they [TS]

01:10:08   get that the 3d stuff can also enhance [TS]

01:10:10   so not only do you get to have the [TS]

01:10:12   convenience of working from your home or [TS]

01:10:13   new office but but they're enhancements [TS]

01:10:15   to the 3d yeah I look like Wes Borland [TS]

01:10:18   from i have but i'm totally black eye [TS]

01:10:21   balls and amplifies the message and [TS]

01:10:23   amplifies my voice so that is coming out [TS]

01:10:25   of their speakers in the bottom of every [TS]

01:10:27   1c drops and have a register [TS]

01:10:29   well listen raise the minimum wage [TS]

01:10:34   twenty cents she bent over Kenny just [TS]

01:10:40   like a cracker box out there [TS]

01:10:42   what's it but the back of his briefcase [TS]

01:10:44   thank you gentlemen you've been served [TS]

01:10:47   I think you're going to help a lot [TS]

01:10:51   here's the thing okay so this might be [TS]

01:10:52   this might bring you right back to [TS]

01:10:54   fixing this whole whole what is your [TS]

01:10:56   work where is your office situation [TS]

01:10:58   because there may be a problem inside of [TS]

01:11:00   the problem I've been telling you for a [TS]

01:11:01   long time I I think you should keep [TS]

01:11:02   doing music stuff you know if you enjoy [TS]

01:11:04   it and it makes you some money that's [TS]

01:11:06   terrific but I'd like to think these [TS]

01:11:08   conversations can hopefully help you [TS]

01:11:10   realize what you're capable of and what [TS]

01:11:11   I'm saying here is not only would you [TS]

01:11:13   you might want to get an office in or [TS]

01:11:15   transitional office in a transitional [TS]

01:11:16   bathroom to get you moving in the right [TS]

01:11:18   direction but here's the thing [TS]

01:11:20   yes maybe just to get some practice and [TS]

01:11:22   get a few hearts under your belt you [TS]

01:11:23   might want to help your friend who [TS]

01:11:25   sounds like let's be honest she could [TS]

01:11:26   you together could be a super team [TS]

01:11:28   inside of that company right especially [TS]

01:11:30   if you're in there maybe you're hiding [TS]

01:11:31   under her desk feeding her lines but [TS]

01:11:33   first [TS]

01:11:34   that's good you're going to learn more [TS]

01:11:35   about the corporate culture because now [TS]

01:11:36   you have new black eyes to bring into [TS]

01:11:38   there and see that happening so maybe [TS]

01:11:40   the real endgame here is not for you to [TS]

01:11:42   go in and help a company but to start a [TS]

01:11:46   company that whether they like it or not [TS]

01:11:48   helps other companies [TS]

01:11:49   oh so I'm just saying now Ken Jennings [TS]

01:11:52   sounds like he's got time to kill so he [TS]

01:11:53   made a lot of day off that jeopardy is [TS]

01:11:55   that right well but it's one of those [TS]

01:11:56   things where you can you make a lot of [TS]

01:11:58   dough at something he didn't make like a [TS]

01:12:00   quick your game show job kinda down i [TS]

01:12:02   know he's here but he made was now he [TS]

01:12:05   made the dough that enables him now to [TS]

01:12:06   write books for a living [TS]

01:12:09   ok book so kind of cereal crossword [TS]

01:12:11   puzzle books are like you will so he [TS]

01:12:13   wrote a book about a about crazy people [TS]

01:12:17   who are who are really into questions i [TS]

01:12:21   like the twist so we're just going to [TS]

01:12:24   talk about being the guy who was on [TS]

01:12:25   Jeopardy took any turned it was like [TS]

01:12:27   look at look at it was like that book [TS]

01:12:29   about scrabble people except about quiz [TS]

01:12:31   show people and now his most recent book [TS]

01:12:33   is about maps and geography cheese it as [TS]

01:12:39   you may recall one of my that is one of [TS]

01:12:42   my secret that is that is that is a [TS]

01:12:43   maybe even a wall inside your wheelhouse [TS]

01:12:46   it really is it's like a shelf is it's [TS]

01:12:48   like us it's like the opposite of a safe [TS]

01:12:50   word [TS]

01:12:51   he started talking about writing this [TS]

01:12:53   book about maps and and I was like [TS]

01:12:55   Danger Danger Danger [TS]

01:12:57   my might might start talking for hours [TS]

01:13:01   about maps [TS]

01:13:02   he's probably got enough to look at that [TS]

01:13:04   I've just seen photos of him i remember [TS]

01:13:06   seeing him on television but I saw that [TS]

01:13:07   photo you put up whatever a day or two [TS]

01:13:09   ago and he looks first of all you do [TS]

01:13:13   kind of recognized him from something [TS]

01:13:14   right [TS]

01:13:15   he's got a name that does let's be [TS]

01:13:17   honest a little bit forgettable but he [TS]

01:13:19   looks really really friendly [TS]

01:13:21   he was an enormously yeah he's easily is [TS]

01:13:26   what you would call a gentleman he's [TS]

01:13:28   like a classic could it be like your [TS]

01:13:30   conciliatory could he be your Tom Hagen [TS]

01:13:32   well this is the thing I owed can and I [TS]

01:13:34   are just getting to know each other who [TS]

01:13:36   and I said you want to slow that map [TS]

01:13:38   thing might not just a little bit i see [TS]

01:13:40   i see in him the the possibility he's [TS]

01:13:42   very friendly and to the point of not [TS]

01:13:45   friendly strong word is very nice to a [TS]

01:13:48   point about a little bit of a little bit [TS]

01:13:51   of Mayberry side but I said you could [TS]

01:13:54   you could really use that [TS]

01:13:55   yeah right and I son you personally [TS]

01:13:57   personally [TS]

01:13:58   hi how do i do p 0 say I'm gonna get my [TS]

01:14:05   daily I look over here get my daily [TS]

01:14:06   haircut from the stuttering man I well [TS]

01:14:09   you know long as I was having my [TS]

01:14:11   fingernails waxed he surrounded himself [TS]

01:14:14   with friendly but incompetent people he [TS]

01:14:16   turned out great [TS]

01:14:17   he did well was you know he had the [TS]

01:14:19   advantage of William the south which I [TS]

01:14:20   do not have that's true but can I see in [TS]

01:14:23   him that but this is the thing I'm [TS]

01:14:26   always looking at people and seeing the [TS]

01:14:28   darkness in them because that's what is [TS]

01:14:30   primarily what I'm looking for and I see [TS]

01:14:32   in can the potential that he could be a [TS]

01:14:35   consigliere but that's the pigment Tom [TS]

01:14:37   Hayden was not a little more time [TS]

01:14:39   consigliere [TS]

01:14:40   yeah and did you know I don't know if [TS]

01:14:43   candidates or not I don't know if he is [TS]

01:14:44   prepared I don't know if he wants that [TS]

01:14:46   much blood on his smock but there's the [TS]

01:14:50   thing is there's no Jennings and team [TS]

01:14:51   the whole point of this is you're going [TS]

01:14:53   to be surrounded by people who are going [TS]

01:14:55   to either amplify or or or squelch or [TS]

01:14:59   ameliorate the various parts of your [TS]

01:15:01   black eye personality true right you're [TS]

01:15:04   going to need the I think I mean [TS]

01:15:05   certainly let's look at it this way you [TS]

01:15:07   know if the people who live there [TS]

01:15:08   operations the people who are in [TS]

01:15:10   accounts receivable and payable the [TS]

01:15:12   people who are throwing a fucking ball [TS]

01:15:13   they're making 3d machines like they [TS]

01:15:15   don't all have the same job they [TS]

01:15:17   certainly don't all have the same [TS]

01:15:18   personality right that the person who [TS]

01:15:20   works in the way they call it the other [TS]

01:15:22   cases the KP the PX the person who works [TS]

01:15:25   at the epic kb are you and where do you [TS]

01:15:27   work at the case i want to hit the KP [TS]

01:15:29   it's not it's not something i'm happy [TS]

01:15:32   about you that's different from zero and [TS]

01:15:34   and the thing is he can is going to make [TS]

01:15:36   candidate Ken isn't an extra I think it [TS]

01:15:38   would be an extraordinary general he [TS]

01:15:39   would but you know but he may want to [TS]

01:15:41   well tell you what he and i'll talk [TS]

01:15:44   about this okay [TS]

01:15:45   as the as the as the work progresses at [TS]

01:15:48   first I might just at just ask him as a [TS]

01:15:51   favor to serve some people with some [TS]

01:15:54   papers and also maybe show up at a [TS]

01:15:57   couple of board meeting is it a little [TS]

01:15:59   bit of dual spec work that you don't [TS]

01:16:01   enjoy it especially I don't see those [TS]

01:16:03   see how he likes it see how about went [TS]

01:16:05   over and it's like without you get [TS]

01:16:06   married you don't get married just [TS]

01:16:08   checking out that was fun for me it was [TS]

01:16:09   this one for you [TS]

01:16:10   alright well let's let's do it again and [TS]

01:16:12   then you know like 15 years from now Ken [TS]

01:16:16   Jennings walks into a boardroom [TS]

01:16:18   everybody hits the dirt [TS]

01:16:22   everybody's everybody's crawling under [TS]

01:16:24   the table and not me not me it's got the [TS]

01:16:27   body not be and then and Ken doesn't [TS]

01:16:31   even have to have the box anymore he [TS]

01:16:32   just wants it then the traditional box [TS]

01:16:35   then pretty soon he got robbed the lady [TS]

01:16:37   walking in to a boardroom put the box on [TS]

01:16:40   the table and Ken Jennings in 3d shapes [TS]

01:16:42   everything [TS]

01:16:44   carrying a briefcase [TS]