Roderick on the Line

Ep. 51: "In Pursuit of an Errant Leaf"


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00:00:10   find your doc hello hey John [TS]

00:00:18   hi Merlin is going well it feels like [TS]

00:00:22   the first time [TS]

00:00:24   mmm feels like the buzz tab [TS]

00:00:28   I think America's introduction to thomas [TS]

00:00:32   dolby they may not be aware was 44 [TS]

00:00:35   so what many people were aware of thomas [TS]

00:00:39   dolby from his what's called the Golden [TS]

00:00:42   Age wireless or whatever right album [TS]

00:00:44   pretty sure I that's because the title i [TS]

00:00:48   think he was the guy who played on the [TS]

00:00:51   keyboards on for order for i'm going to [TS]

00:00:54   check that I think you should have quite [TS]

00:00:56   a claim i would like to start collecting [TS]

00:00:58   all these in my own kind of personalized [TS]

00:01:01   version of turns out i think it is [TS]

00:01:03   actually [TS]

00:01:03   damn thats from myself from this moment [TS]

00:01:06   from head games back from be below who [TS]

00:01:12   i'm very glad that you brought a [TS]

00:01:14   foreigner [TS]

00:01:15   yes truthfully i would i would love I [TS]

00:01:18   would love to know because i have to [TS]

00:01:21   tell you there's again this is gonna be [TS]

00:01:22   my second turns out of the day I [TS]

00:01:24   honestly I'm not have a pretty good idea [TS]

00:01:27   what you think of 44 but I have to be [TS]

00:01:30   honest with you i think i could see you [TS]

00:01:32   going either way hard on it right kind [TS]

00:01:35   of gas so i'll write on a card right on [TS]

00:01:37   the card and they need to eat with you [TS]

00:01:38   mind [TS]

00:01:39   okay go ahead write it on the card okay [TS]

00:01:41   I'll tell you what I think I'm writing [TS]

00:01:42   I'm running on the this is the first of [TS]

00:01:44   all the skinny a real scary day as you [TS]

00:01:45   know where this is [TS]

00:01:46   there's a lot of things are different [TS]

00:01:47   about today this night is different from [TS]

00:01:49   all others fastball that's true early [TS]

00:01:51   afternoon while we view the bitter herbs [TS]

00:01:53   I can't get anything past you [TS]

00:01:55   I'm going to johns foreigner for feeling [TS]

00:02:00   mmm feels like the person and I've [TS]

00:02:04   written down what I think your answer [TS]

00:02:05   will be John [TS]

00:02:07   it as much as you're comfortable saying [TS]

00:02:08   what is your position on the 1981 album [TS]

00:02:11   foreigner for urgent urgent urgent [TS]

00:02:15   urgent emergency kit i-44 I i have i [TS]

00:02:22   have a tremendous vulnerability i have a [TS]

00:02:24   soft i have a soft spot in my head where [TS]

00:02:28   my skull did not form completely all the [TS]

00:02:32   way you get a nice girl the musical fun [TS]

00:02:34   now that allows foreigner for in and it [TS]

00:02:39   and and its large there its large there [TS]

00:02:41   like a like a succubus and and I I can't [TS]

00:02:45   say a bad thing about it because [TS]

00:02:46   foreigner for came out in 1981 who which [TS]

00:02:51   was right between came out the summer of [TS]

00:02:54   81 right between 7th and 8th grade for [TS]

00:02:58   me [TS]

00:02:59   oh that's what that's for a lot of stuff [TS]

00:03:02   oh oh my god would write weekend for [TS]

00:03:05   that summer because that is a turning [TS]

00:03:07   point seven eight tonight both of those [TS]

00:03:09   summers were huge turning points [TS]

00:03:10   especially in music for me [TS]

00:03:12   yeah the summer between seventh and [TS]

00:03:13   eighth-grade i think is the summer [TS]

00:03:15   between when I started seventh grade I [TS]

00:03:18   was still let's be honest a sixth grader [TS]

00:03:22   who and that's because i was I have the [TS]

00:03:25   misfortune I think now looking back the [TS]

00:03:28   misfortune of being born in September [TS]

00:03:30   and a when it came time to make that [TS]

00:03:34   decision in whatever 1973 year 219 [TS]

00:03:39   whatever that was came time to make the [TS]

00:03:41   decision do we put him in kindergarten [TS]

00:03:44   when he's a four-year-old or do we wait [TS]

00:03:47   an extra year and put them in [TS]

00:03:50   kindergarten use a five-year-old I was a [TS]

00:03:53   big kid I was a precocious kid and my [TS]

00:03:56   folks were like oh he'll be fine i was [TS]

00:03:58   going to say I was going to write in a [TS]

00:03:59   car that was gonna be my guest that they [TS]

00:04:00   went ahead and pushed in [TS]

00:04:02   that's early at that is so so i started [TS]

00:04:04   i started kindergarten for and that [TS]

00:04:06   means that i my whole life mean my best [TS]

00:04:10   friend in high school [TS]

00:04:12   his birthday was the first week of [TS]

00:04:13   december and he was I mean basically a [TS]

00:04:17   full year he was 10 months older than I [TS]

00:04:18   look [TS]

00:04:19   there was a kid in my gym at the junior [TS]

00:04:21   year my there was a kid was a junior my [TS]

00:04:23   senior year and he and I have the exact [TS]

00:04:25   same birthday and so I spent my whole [TS]

00:04:29   life you know kind of a little bit in [TS]

00:04:31   school [TS]

00:04:32   grunting that I was a that i was i was [TS]

00:04:38   ready for this you know i was i was [TS]

00:04:40   there and now everybody else all the [TS]

00:04:42   other commercially first day in the [TS]

00:04:43   cellblock he had because you seriously [TS]

00:04:46   screwed up the courage maybe he took [TS]

00:04:47   some courses you know you're ready hurt [TS]

00:04:49   went up to the biggest kid who already [TS]

00:04:51   had a mustache and you know and just [TS]

00:04:53   clocked him like come on [TS]

00:04:55   but you know all the kids that were it's [TS]

00:04:58   not just it's very noticeable when [TS]

00:04:59   everybody else is going into puberty and [TS]

00:05:01   you are still playing with Hot Wheels [TS]

00:05:03   cars this is where your camp is going to [TS]

00:05:05   help so many people it's right but its [TS]

00:05:07   it but it's also true it's also [TS]

00:05:09   noticeable when you're in third grade I [TS]

00:05:10   mean you just I just did I never I was [TS]

00:05:12   always big and I always was articulate [TS]

00:05:15   but i did not have the emotional [TS]

00:05:16   maturity to be there within know and and [TS]

00:05:20   you know i graduated from high school [TS]

00:05:24   when I was 17 and was not ready to be [TS]

00:05:26   set loose on the world so anyway so we [TS]

00:05:29   refinish finished high school he left [TS]

00:05:32   high school I eventually finished high [TS]

00:05:34   school but a lot i guess i gotta we [TS]

00:05:39   don't have the only the French have a [TS]

00:05:40   word for being asked to leave high [TS]

00:05:41   school with credit limit English there's [TS]

00:05:45   no English word for that [TS]

00:05:47   let's go beyond sewer you are not words [TS]

00:05:50   haha haha Freeman permit me to scratch [TS]

00:05:56   it the perfect but all those records [TS]

00:06:01   that came out so you know up until [TS]

00:06:03   nineteen eighty I i think i've said this [TS]

00:06:05   before i was still listening to my [TS]

00:06:07   parents music which in my dad's case was [TS]

00:06:09   big band music and write about 1980a [TS]

00:06:12   became a suddenly hyper aware of pop [TS]

00:06:20   music being a thing that other kid that [TS]

00:06:22   there was a thing that you could you [TS]

00:06:24   could differentiate between the cool [TS]

00:06:25   kids were new the cool kids warrant and [TS]

00:06:27   music became this this as a [TS]

00:06:30   suddenly this monolith that was sticking [TS]

00:06:33   up out of a gravel field at the who had [TS]

00:06:35   just peed on and and foreign or 4i think [TS]

00:06:41   was among the first few records that i [TS]

00:06:44   was aware of in the moment you know it [TS]

00:06:47   wasn't like hey dude you should listen [TS]

00:06:48   to the beatles it was this record just [TS]

00:06:51   came out and the other one of course [TS]

00:06:52   with back in black but the book [TS]

00:06:55   apparently produced by the same man i [TS]

00:06:56   will know i did not again I I don't [TS]

00:06:59   interrupt you but i have just learned [TS]

00:07:01   from looking at this one page on [TS]

00:07:02   wikipedia i have learned so much about [TS]

00:07:04   44 that I never knew including that it [TS]

00:07:07   was produced by mr. robert john martin [TS]

00:07:09   wang wang that's right it was a big year [TS]

00:07:12   nineteen 1981-82 those were big ears [TS]

00:07:15   from online spot back in the Box 80 [TS]

00:07:18   right back in black was a year before [TS]

00:07:19   foreigner for ya so right am and you [TS]

00:07:22   know on the wall by pink floyd who i [TS]

00:07:24   think i was like late 79 you're 78 he [TS]

00:07:28   was when he remember because I was in I [TS]

00:07:29   was in seventh grade and in military [TS]

00:07:31   school and my the guys in the next room [TS]

00:07:34   had it high and dry by Def Leppard also [TS]

00:07:37   by robert robert john mutt lange but my [TS]

00:07:40   motherland production so he was [TS]

00:07:42   producing a lot of Records i can't i [TS]

00:07:44   can't imagine what his workload must [TS]

00:07:46   have been like in 1980 imagine if we [TS]

00:07:49   have time at the end of this episode i [TS]

00:07:50   think we should go back and maybe review [TS]

00:07:52   everything he did for those three years [TS]

00:07:54   because i have a feeling you obviously [TS]

00:07:56   have a lot of respect for the mansion [TS]

00:07:57   and Shania Twain notwithstanding [TS]

00:08:00   well you know that there's so many [TS]

00:08:01   there's so many myths about matt lange [TS]

00:08:04   particularly that he would sit and [TS]

00:08:05   record guitar chords one string at a [TS]

00:08:08   time [TS]

00:08:09   what that about you getting anything [TS]

00:08:12   from Canada college the Hatfield story [TS]

00:08:14   about def leppard was he said listen [TS]

00:08:16   these get your guitar chords sound too [TS]

00:08:18   muddy so we're just gonna you're gonna [TS]

00:08:21   you're gonna fret each note individually [TS]

00:08:24   and then we're going to mix it together [TS]

00:08:25   and that'll be the risk of talking out [TS]

00:08:27   of my ass [TS]

00:08:28   that sounds very much like the kind of [TS]

00:08:30   thing someone who's never played an [TS]

00:08:31   instrument or record in their life would [TS]

00:08:33   say yeah it doesn't make any sense at [TS]

00:08:35   all but it's absolutely no sense that [TS]

00:08:38   makes something you should you know your [TS]

00:08:39   automobile go faster if we just went one [TS]

00:08:41   tired [TS]

00:08:42   time but uh but the idea i do have a [TS]

00:08:47   tremendous respect for those records and [TS]

00:08:49   if you I can't believe this now that I'm [TS]

00:08:51   now that i'm looking into this high and [TS]

00:08:54   dry came out on in on july eleventh and [TS]

00:08:57   44 came out one week later [TS]

00:08:59   no we don't talk about or no no I'm [TS]

00:09:02   sorry when we realize second-by-second [TS]

00:09:04   so I mean I was at that moment [TS]

00:09:09   july july second 1981 I was almost [TS]

00:09:13   surely playing dig dug at the Tastee [TS]

00:09:16   Freez at the corner of lake otis and [TS]

00:09:18   northern lights and I and sitting on [TS]

00:09:21   Johnny's lap and I was not sucking on a [TS]

00:09:24   chili dog because that record came out [TS]

00:09:26   right about that same time to god damn [TS]

00:09:28   John Cougar record and that was because [TS]

00:09:31   that is the beginning of my [TS]

00:09:32   consciousness right i did not like the [TS]

00:09:34   John Cougar record I didn't like the [TS]

00:09:36   foreigner record we watching TV at this [TS]

00:09:39   point not in this is very early actually [TS]

00:09:43   you know what this is i think this would [TS]

00:09:45   be a month before MTV started [TS]

00:09:47   yeah and I'm not a year later John [TS]

00:09:49   Cougar formerly Johnny cougar not yet [TS]

00:09:51   John Mellencamp just John Cougar at this [TS]

00:09:53   point that hurts so good and Jack and [TS]

00:09:56   Diane was on about every five or six [TS]

00:09:58   minutes yeah so mtv now I'm now I see [TS]

00:10:01   was one month later 44 came out july [TS]

00:10:04   first july second MTB launched august [TS]

00:10:07   first 1981 you know this is Genesis our [TS]

00:10:09   april nineteen that are able 1865 that's [TS]

00:10:12   exactly that's exactly right as they [TS]

00:10:14   were adventure yes it's the month it's a [TS]

00:10:16   month unlike any other and then now we [TS]

00:10:19   we are beginning reconstruction and you [TS]

00:10:21   are we have we have become teenagers and [TS]

00:10:23   their carpet-bags we did not get mtv in [TS]

00:10:27   Anchorage until later so it didn't it [TS]

00:10:30   came in nineteen eighty-two i think but [TS]

00:10:34   i was absolutely [TS]

00:10:36   my my my aunt my aunt martha worked at [TS]

00:10:41   the cable company in Anchorage and so I [TS]

00:10:46   don't and I'm not sure at the time I [TS]

00:10:48   felt like maybe she was watching over us [TS]

00:10:52   uh but now that i think about it with a [TS]

00:10:54   clear head I realized that that's that's [TS]

00:10:57   not how things work your aunt at the [TS]

00:10:59   cable company does not make your [TS]

00:11:01   neighborhood be the first one to get [TS]

00:11:02   cable and an egg did you have to steal [TS]

00:11:04   it from your betters did you know that [TS]

00:11:06   it lists all the original that was the [TS]

00:11:09   one that they beamed they seemed into [TS]

00:11:11   like Chiclets shaped antennas that were [TS]

00:11:14   on your roof but no one cable finally [TS]

00:11:16   came where they actually install the [TS]

00:11:17   cable in your house we were in the first [TS]

00:11:20   50 families in the city to get it [TS]

00:11:22   because our neighborhood was where they [TS]

00:11:24   started so I was one of the first [TS]

00:11:26   Alaskans to get MTV well I just SAT [TS]

00:11:30   there [TS]

00:11:30   indian style with my nose I was like for [TS]

00:11:34   me which every especially the mtv it was [TS]

00:11:36   like every conceivable minute of the day [TS]

00:11:38   and it really it reached at it really [TS]

00:11:40   reached ahead when I wanted to watch MTV [TS]

00:11:42   before school because already i would [TS]

00:11:44   get up late because I was a teenager but [TS]

00:11:46   boy that was super controversial and [TS]

00:11:47   then I was always remember I think about [TS]

00:11:49   the city of my daughter and like I most [TS]

00:11:51   one more one more video just one more [TS]

00:11:53   just let me see what the next one is [TS]

00:11:54   because there's no way there's no TVs no [TS]

00:11:56   way of knowing right now because this [TS]

00:11:59   could actually deliver by adam and the [TS]

00:12:00   ants you never know i should actually [TS]

00:12:01   wait to stand and deliver could be it [TS]

00:12:04   could be walked by captain sensible it [TS]

00:12:06   could be it could be video killed the [TS]

00:12:09   radio star could have been any of those [TS]

00:12:10   that will probably be only the lonely by [TS]

00:12:12   the motels right that was it that was a [TS]

00:12:14   hell John this is I've got I've got my [TS]

00:12:16   cards my car to run it over first of all [TS]

00:12:18   I which you can see the Sun you see I'd [TS]

00:12:21   written a word yes that you would [TS]

00:12:23   probably have a soft spot now what I had [TS]

00:12:24   not accounted for was exactly how much I [TS]

00:12:27   want to just eat first couple of minutes [TS]

00:12:29   yes at least and from that barrier think [TS]

00:12:31   it leave it leave it by a dyad that i [TS]

00:12:34   got from the Buggles get that [TS]

00:12:35   yeah that's Trevor Horn that that should [TS]

00:12:37   be our that should be one of our one of [TS]

00:12:39   our theme songs because leave it is the [TS]

00:12:41   thing that I'm constantly saying too [TS]

00:12:42   much leave it leave and i discovered the [TS]

00:12:48   orchestra staff but you know cable TV at [TS]

00:12:50   that area also introduced me to benny [TS]

00:12:52   hill which I which my mind my 7th 8th [TS]

00:12:55   grade mind could only barely grasp that [TS]

00:12:58   there was such a thing as benny hill [TS]

00:13:00   because it because Berryhill Berryhill [TS]

00:13:04   was my mel brooks in [TS]

00:13:05   he probably be perfectly expressed the [TS]

00:13:08   kind of tits and ass the the exact [TS]

00:13:12   amount of tits and ass that my brain was [TS]

00:13:13   capable of handling which was to say [TS]

00:13:16   that many hell would you know would run [TS]

00:13:19   past a girl and somehow her nurse's [TS]

00:13:22   outfit would fall over and you could see [TS]

00:13:24   her pantyhose and then she would work [TS]

00:13:27   wearing a lacy bra to be having a lazy [TS]

00:13:29   brown and then they would run after each [TS]

00:13:31   other around to the you know to plan our [TS]

00:13:34   little better i feel like i got so [TS]

00:13:37   ripped off i saw I've seen Sophie like [TS]

00:13:39   to lacy bras ever complains real life [TS]

00:13:42   well I mean there was a point in the [TS]

00:13:43   early eighties when i was writing that [TS]

00:13:45   broad window with ladies would still [TS]

00:13:47   wear at one point had a again you had [TS]

00:13:49   just lifted lady and she when she wore a [TS]

00:13:51   lot lacy bra and it was you know you [TS]

00:13:54   look back from that boy that's that you [TS]

00:13:57   know what here's the thing if they if we [TS]

00:13:58   if they had not if Benny Hill had not [TS]

00:14:00   come along we would have had to invent [TS]

00:14:02   him because you're right you're right in [TS]

00:14:04   the pocket all so confusing to backhand [TS]

00:14:07   any in the TV evangelist like a few that [TS]

00:14:09   look like 20 him came along i realized i [TS]

00:14:12   did not need to bear any hands a lot [TS]

00:14:13   more fun to watch what you're feeling [TS]

00:14:15   and you're listening yakety sax alright [TS]

00:14:19   but has your job gotten hotter than [TS]

00:14:22   fresh pumpkin le tired of kissing the [TS]

00:14:24   wrong bird mired down by your managers [TS]

00:14:26   fear of even the slightest vision and [TS]

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00:14:58   well you know the thing about lacy bras [TS]

00:15:01   my problem with Lacey that's my name [TS]

00:15:02   that's not a pole dancer named by the [TS]

00:15:04   way [TS]

00:15:04   lacy bra I never I'd that for whatever [TS]

00:15:11   reason did not click with me and I and I [TS]

00:15:14   grew up in the area of looking at a [TS]

00:15:16   girl's underwear ads in the Sears [TS]

00:15:19   catalog [TS]

00:15:19   like lacy bra should have been in my [TS]

00:15:21   wheelhouse but but as I as I grew up to [TS]

00:15:25   be a young adults and I started seeing [TS]

00:15:27   lacy bras for the first time I did not [TS]

00:15:31   lacy bras gave me no thrill and to this [TS]

00:15:34   day when I when I a young lady and that [TS]

00:15:38   does the big reveal and she has on fancy [TS]

00:15:41   underwear who I'm like em I think that's [TS]

00:15:46   I can you know it's so funny because I [TS]

00:15:48   say we I think we've got this point [TS]

00:15:50   probably should cease all discussion of [TS]

00:15:51   ZZ top videos because I could reach to [TS]

00:15:53   the moratorium level but but that really [TS]

00:15:55   that was imprinted on me you know like [TS]

00:15:57   what is your problem lady broch little [TS]

00:15:59   lower and Konrad Lorenz and the Ducks [TS]

00:16:00   quandary Lawrence began printing right [TS]

00:16:03   so now i'm chasing ducks if you like it [TS]

00:16:04   but you you are learning to fly my dog [TS]

00:16:07   cultural aight who I got one shot i get [TS]

00:16:11   a few shot one shot i got many many [TS]

00:16:12   shots at lady boss and let's be honest I [TS]

00:16:14   went through a lot of catalogs even [TS]

00:16:15   before I understood what to deal with [TS]

00:16:16   them I was hoarding them and we wanted [TS]

00:16:18   to figure out what to do with them i [TS]

00:16:19   realized that that was my duck you know [TS]

00:16:22   yeah well I was busy top video imprinted [TS]

00:16:25   on me that I bet a neon pink mini skirt [TS]

00:16:28   who was a thing that I could really [TS]

00:16:31   literally get behind the texture is a [TS]

00:16:36   thing is that i know you don't use that [TS]

00:16:38   word lightly that is that I mean that [TS]

00:16:42   girl i'm talking about the one that had [TS]

00:16:43   the lacy ankle socks in my stress man [TS]

00:16:47   that's the shorter give me all your [TS]

00:16:49   luvin oh that one's a little oh she was [TS]

00:16:52   a mix she was a mix that's exactly right [TS]

00:16:54   well you don't tell she was even more [TS]

00:16:55   there's always there's one in each one [TS]

00:16:57   there's the one that's more like it is [TS]

00:16:58   one in the 1i thinking not give me all [TS]

00:17:01   your love and that's a sharp dressed man [TS]

00:17:02   there's one who you can tell it's like [TS]

00:17:03   twice as dirty as the other ones twice [TS]

00:17:05   as dirty that's exactly right and and i [TS]

00:17:07   think that's a pretty 30 time but the [TS]

00:17:09   long blond haired one she's never as [TS]

00:17:11   dirty as you wanted to be it's always [TS]

00:17:13   the kiddush one who that kinda has the [TS]

00:17:16   tousled hair and pulling that ankle [TS]

00:17:19   socks [TS]

00:17:20   anyway we leaving madison there's a [TS]

00:17:22   problem with the underwear though and I [TS]

00:17:23   don't want to be that was hitting [TS]

00:17:24   controversial here but you know it's i [TS]

00:17:27   have had this rule of thumb for a long [TS]

00:17:28   time I would like me the great rules of [TS]

00:17:30   thumb [TS]

00:17:31   I learned it too late but we've talked [TS]

00:17:33   about this a long time ago you got to be [TS]

00:17:34   careful where you meet people because [TS]

00:17:36   you know do you really want to meet [TS]

00:17:38   somebody at a place you want to do you [TS]

00:17:40   want to go out with somebody that you [TS]

00:17:41   met a place you go to all the time [TS]

00:17:43   because when you break up you have to [TS]

00:17:44   see them all the time or like with you [TS]

00:17:46   accidentally where you even with that [TS]

00:17:47   sure don't shit where you in every is [TS]

00:17:49   the other one so if you accidentally [TS]

00:17:51   went to a class and learning latch hook [TS]

00:17:54   rugs that maybe that's something you can [TS]

00:17:56   enjoy but you never understand your [TS]

00:17:59   culture what I'm saying is this if you [TS]

00:18:00   meet somebody who's real real [TS]

00:18:02   comfortable taking off their clothes and [TS]

00:18:04   as fancy underwear red flag red flag [TS]

00:18:07   because I'm just saying like they're did [TS]

00:18:09   I like the fancy underwear and I and I [TS]

00:18:11   can enjoy the taking off the clothes [TS]

00:18:13   fast but those two together that that [TS]

00:18:15   could be a stress bump you're saying [TS]

00:18:17   well yeah you're not the first one [TS]

00:18:21   you're not the first one you can gauge [TS]

00:18:22   how your relationship one and based on [TS]

00:18:25   how you're you and that person's other [TS]

00:18:26   previous relationships event you will [TS]

00:18:28   never be any different [TS]

00:18:29   right needle she unfortunately well I [TS]

00:18:32   you know I i I'm I'm so confused I'm [TS]

00:18:35   still soaked and released [TS]

00:18:36   well in the sense that in the sense that [TS]

00:18:38   i went into puberty with a lot of ideas [TS]

00:18:42   about how it was going to go like i did [TS]

00:18:46   I was not somebody upon whom adulthood [TS]

00:18:49   like the snuck up unawares right i think [TS]

00:18:54   a lot of kids a lot of kids in there it [TS]

00:18:57   there 10 years old and then all of a [TS]

00:18:59   sudden they start to have these feelings [TS]

00:19:02   and they have no context for them and so [TS]

00:19:04   they're just following their instinct [TS]

00:19:06   but I was a person who by the time he [TS]

00:19:09   became an adult had read so much about [TS]

00:19:11   being an adult and had had thought about [TS]

00:19:14   being an adult so much at prognosticated [TS]

00:19:17   how being an adult would feel that when [TS]

00:19:21   adulthood arrived I had too many plans [TS]

00:19:26   and I did not I did not take it i did [TS]

00:19:31   not have an instinctual response to [TS]

00:19:34   puberty or an instinctual kind of [TS]

00:19:37   transition from youth to adulthood I was [TS]

00:19:40   trying to push it i was trying to get [TS]

00:19:43   there faster i was trying to I felt like [TS]

00:19:45   I already knew how it was gonna go and [TS]

00:19:48   was trying to get in in between myself [TS]

00:19:52   and adulthood and make some changes [TS]

00:19:54   before it went wrong [TS]

00:19:55   wow you in that way we're kind of like [TS]

00:19:58   in training [TS]

00:19:59   well and I was fucking my I was fucking [TS]

00:20:02   it up as I went you know somebody would [TS]

00:20:04   a a thirteen-year-old girl would walk up [TS]

00:20:08   to me and say do you want to go with me [TS]

00:20:10   and I would say go with you where you [TS]

00:20:16   know it was I was not paying attention [TS]

00:20:19   to what was happening I was trying to I [TS]

00:20:23   was trying to figure it out i was trying [TS]

00:20:26   to I was trying to make sure that i [TS]

00:20:27   didn't get duped was trying to make sure [TS]

00:20:29   that i didn't get led astray and so I [TS]

00:20:33   have this have this mental picture that [TS]

00:20:36   a bit relationships were going to be [TS]

00:20:39   hard but you didn't want to [TS]

00:20:40   you didn't want to get a let down a [TS]

00:20:43   primrose path by fast girl but you also [TS]

00:20:46   didn't want to get stuck with a prude [TS]

00:20:48   and the reality was all the girls were [TS]

00:20:50   13 years old there were the difference [TS]

00:20:52   between a fast girl and a prude at 13 is [TS]

00:20:54   like it's you're talking about a stack [TS]

00:20:58   opinion because it's all your abstract [TS]

00:20:59   like at that point you've got these [TS]

00:21:01   these abstractions that have no basis in [TS]

00:21:03   reality it's a little bit like trying to [TS]

00:21:05   look again trying to learn guitar like [TS]

00:21:06   not just by playing a guitar and a [TS]

00:21:08   tennis racket but getting tablature but [TS]

00:21:11   then trying to do it on a tennis racket [TS]

00:21:12   that's right it's like well you know you [TS]

00:21:15   you're certainly going to pick some [TS]

00:21:16   things up but until you actually hold [TS]

00:21:17   that guitar it's it's not the same thing [TS]

00:21:20   now here's the other thing that's [TS]

00:21:21   interesting about you John as you use [TS]

00:21:22   stipulated for the record that you were [TS]

00:21:24   never somebody who wanted to study up on [TS]

00:21:26   intercourse and I think a lot of people [TS]

00:21:28   made the same mistakes that you're [TS]

00:21:30   describing here but they did with [TS]

00:21:31   intercourse they thought that they could [TS]

00:21:32   get a you know get a Betamax copy of [TS]

00:21:35   Porky's and and no and no what to do and [TS]

00:21:38   youyou avoid that you said you should [TS]

00:21:39   leave it but you focused on what you [TS]

00:21:41   study what like Kramer vs Kramer you [TS]

00:21:43   knew that you were in a rocky road is [TS]

00:21:45   that was your poor for the record what [TS]

00:21:47   airport when I was 13 years old and [TS]

00:21:50   and so you know I felt like I had a good [TS]

00:21:53   friend who that this this friend that [TS]

00:21:54   I'm talking about it [TS]

00:21:55   his name is Kevin he was a year older [TS]

00:21:57   than I was he was my best friend and he [TS]

00:21:59   was a year more advanced than i was in [TS]

00:22:03   in all the emotional ways you know he [TS]

00:22:06   and I maybe were peers in the sense that [TS]

00:22:09   we were we were in the same grade you [TS]

00:22:12   know but but he was he was way way out [TS]

00:22:15   in front and he would call me and say I [TS]

00:22:18   I was hanging out with the you know [TS]

00:22:21   Rachel the other day and I would go [TS]

00:22:22   really [TS]

00:22:23   and he said yeah and we were it was fall [TS]

00:22:28   you know it was autumn or whatever and [TS]

00:22:29   he would say I I grabbed a bunch of [TS]

00:22:31   leaves and I stuffed him down the front [TS]

00:22:32   of her sweater and I was like well that [TS]

00:22:36   wasn't very polite and he said and then [TS]

00:22:40   I then I had a then she was like you [TS]

00:22:43   need to get those leaves out of there [TS]

00:22:44   and then I I reach down in front of her [TS]

00:22:46   sweater and like one by one [TS]

00:22:49   pull the leaves out Wow and I was like [TS]

00:22:53   well that sounds like you might have [TS]

00:22:56   touched her boob and he was like yeah [TS]

00:22:59   exactly like like 15 times because i [TS]

00:23:04   shud 15 leaves down there and she was [TS]

00:23:05   like you have to get him out of here [TS]

00:23:07   genius right and i will but but I was [TS]

00:23:11   and she's in a position to say get your [TS]

00:23:13   goddamn hand out of my shirt if she [TS]

00:23:14   doesn't want it to honor that like a [TS]

00:23:15   gentleman or if she's really not again [TS]

00:23:18   she a state conspire she's not least [TS]

00:23:21   reverse know she was like you need to [TS]

00:23:24   get those leaves out of my sweater and [TS]

00:23:27   I'm I'm listening to the story and i am [TS]

00:23:30   a guest [TS]

00:23:31   yeah I and i feel i canna and I and I [TS]

00:23:34   start to lecture him like listen I don't [TS]

00:23:37   know are you sure you're ready for this [TS]

00:23:38   like touching boobs is a serious step [TS]

00:23:44   like are you prepared to honor that [TS]

00:23:47   commitment feel like starting to smoke [TS]

00:23:49   it would be one of those things where [TS]

00:23:50   you're like it let's not really for us [TS]

00:23:52   that's well but but also like I felt [TS]

00:23:55   like now having touched her boob in the [TS]

00:23:58   pursuit of an errant leaf he had entered [TS]

00:24:01   into a tacit contract with this girl [TS]

00:24:04   that he needed 2 he needed to man up and [TS]

00:24:06   and honor this honor the code and he was [TS]

00:24:11   like what are you talking about man [TS]

00:24:12   I mean I just I i got i feel i feel some [TS]

00:24:15   boobs and my feeling was well yeah but [TS]

00:24:18   are you ready to get married and I was I [TS]

00:24:22   was just like some so backwards on it [TS]

00:24:24   and this whole question of like all the [TS]

00:24:26   fast girl [TS]

00:24:27   it wasn't even that the fast i was not [TS]

00:24:29   worried about getting the stress pump I [TS]

00:24:31   was worried that the fast girl was [TS]

00:24:33   emotionally hurt [TS]

00:24:36   well I would be tested lately the [TS]

00:24:39   fastest was a was an expression of her [TS]

00:24:41   emotional hurtness and I was in a [TS]

00:24:43   position to take advantage bad enough [TS]

00:24:45   and i was i was an honorable man [TS]

00:24:46   oh god never in a million years that I [TS]

00:24:48   i'm totally sympathizing with her in [TS]

00:24:50   that scenario as it sounds like you [TS]

00:24:51   would be where you become less that's [TS]

00:24:53   completely inappropriate and the problem [TS]

00:24:54   is also that know you got this broken [TS]

00:24:56   paradigm fast that was fast they don't [TS]

00:24:58   know what the hell they're doing right [TS]

00:24:59   feeling you're putting your hand down [TS]

00:25:01   the front of your shirt with any rate [TS]

00:25:03   it's like they have no idea what they're [TS]

00:25:04   doing [TS]

00:25:05   it's hell yeah it's not it certainly is [TS]

00:25:08   an expression isn't an expression of [TS]

00:25:10   being fast or emotionally damaged or [TS]

00:25:13   like on the way to being on the way to [TS]

00:25:16   working in a red light district in [TS]

00:25:18   jakarta it's she's just a girl and she [TS]

00:25:21   wants you to touch her boob and you want [TS]

00:25:23   to touch her boobs so i'm sure she just [TS]

00:25:24   wants to see what it's like to have [TS]

00:25:26   somebody you know what I mean it's a [TS]

00:25:28   little different you sitting around [TS]

00:25:29   going oh I want boob touching she's more [TS]

00:25:30   like I don't know what the fuck this [TS]

00:25:31   isn't these leaves are going to provide [TS]

00:25:33   adequate cover for me to find out how [TS]

00:25:34   this goes [TS]

00:25:35   yeah right she's not you it's exactly [TS]

00:25:37   right she didn't go into it thinking [TS]

00:25:38   maybe today is the day when I can't wait [TS]

00:25:42   till fall and that and that is exactly [TS]

00:25:44   the sweater weather approaching my [TS]

00:25:46   teenage life like maybe today is the day [TS]

00:25:49   that I find a way to brush up against a [TS]

00:25:53   boob where no one owes anybody anything [TS]

00:25:56   and no one's gonna end up divorced and [TS]

00:26:01   and and and by the time I finally did [TS]

00:26:04   touch a boob it was like come on Jesus [TS]

00:26:08   Christ that was a long time in becoming [TS]

00:26:11   and you know this girl was just like [TS]

00:26:13   come on get it real seriously [TS]

00:26:16   so this is what happens when you think [TS]

00:26:18   too much thinking way too much thinking [TS]

00:26:20   too much thinking and it was it was a [TS]

00:26:22   way it was it was thinking as a way of [TS]

00:26:24   trying to get in front of all the fear [TS]

00:26:28   that i felt about these transitions that [TS]

00:26:30   I think other at least the kids i [TS]

00:26:33   admired a and I and it's not that I [TS]

00:26:36   admired them as people but I admired [TS]

00:26:38   their progress IRA I admired the reports [TS]

00:26:41   that you get those 8th graders also when [TS]

00:26:42   you start getting real reports about [TS]

00:26:44   other kids like did you hear what did [TS]

00:26:47   you hear what Derek did mm-hmm what a [TS]

00:26:49   dirt lot of summer's let you come back [TS]

00:26:51   from summer and you hear a lot of Intel [TS]

00:26:53   about what went down [TS]

00:26:54   people got finger-banged and all these [TS]

00:26:56   terrible things where was just like my a [TS]

00:26:58   mite my second-best friend at the time [TS]

00:27:00   to some finger banging over the summer [TS]

00:27:02   was anybody hurt I know fingerbang that [TS]

00:27:04   sounds really Bibles yeah I still [TS]

00:27:06   thought vaginas were on the front of the [TS]

00:27:08   pelvis at that point I did you know [TS]

00:27:09   based on my arm between the bellybutton [TS]

00:27:11   member i'm going down more like you I [TS]

00:27:14   thought I thought it was I thought it [TS]

00:27:15   was more like like you're like a USB [TS]

00:27:18   port [TS]

00:27:19   yeah third I yeah and I mean I'm sitting [TS]

00:27:22   there imagine that the logistics of that [TS]

00:27:24   you got popcorn and then you gotta eat [TS]

00:27:26   it and I don't know there's just so much [TS]

00:27:28   about that was such a morass for me I [TS]

00:27:30   was scared to look for the longest time [TS]

00:27:31   I just got the longest time I just I [TS]

00:27:33   wanted to it was a mystery I knew is a [TS]

00:27:35   mystery i would try to draw it from [TS]

00:27:37   memory and even I didn't have any [TS]

00:27:39   memories i was looking books and its [TS]

00:27:41   just oh and then here's the thing so you [TS]

00:27:43   go home that night you find out about [TS]

00:27:44   the leaf incident you go home [TS]

00:27:46   it's not on your mind right you just [TS]

00:27:47   used to run watch watch you know watch [TS]

00:27:49   game shows no I would sit and I would [TS]

00:27:51   think about that for three days and i [TS]

00:27:53   would get mad if I was thinking about [TS]

00:27:54   your what's-his-name Derek no Kevin [TS]

00:27:57   Kevin I would sit there and think about [TS]

00:27:58   get Kevin and the leaf girl and i would [TS]

00:28:01   i would talk about ruminating I would [TS]

00:28:03   obsess over that probably for like a [TS]

00:28:04   week and just getting more emotional [TS]

00:28:06   about it it's funny how being mad is the [TS]

00:28:09   response because the next day at school [TS]

00:28:11   I would be unable to look at her I would [TS]

00:28:15   be mad at her [TS]

00:28:16   yeah not not i would be mad at her [TS]

00:28:18   because she allowed herself to be [TS]

00:28:20   violated by my best friend and I yeah [TS]

00:28:23   all of these are very in one way they're [TS]

00:28:28   they're much more [TS]

00:28:29   sophisticated feelings then I had any [TS]

00:28:31   right to have because i didn't [TS]

00:28:33   understand that they were they were [TS]

00:28:35   above my pay grade [TS]

00:28:37   um like why those were my responses is [TS]

00:28:41   in some ways still a mystery to me and [TS]

00:28:43   and and those responses like a like [TS]

00:28:47   changed they they affected what I did [TS]

00:28:52   next and so in that way we changed my [TS]

00:28:53   life and and are still I still feel them [TS]

00:28:56   as a burden now even if in my forties [TS]

00:28:59   and I want to think about whether i want [TS]

00:29:02   to when I imagined my life that small [TS]

00:29:04   choice i mean there's there there are [TS]

00:29:07   not very many choices that you can make [TS]

00:29:08   that in the moment kind of feel so small [TS]

00:29:12   but if if my folks had said let's hold [TS]

00:29:15   him back here and i had started [TS]

00:29:17   kindergarten at five and turned six in [TS]

00:29:23   that first few weeks I mean I honestly [TS]

00:29:26   cannot imagine a thing that would have [TS]

00:29:28   made my life more profoundly different [TS]

00:29:30   than to have been one of the oldest kids [TS]

00:29:33   in my class rather than one of the [TS]

00:29:35   youngest um I'm glad we held our [TS]

00:29:39   daughter back where i will later do [TS]

00:29:40   another year of the before kindergarten [TS]

00:29:42   stuff and I'm starting field [TS]

00:29:44   she'll know when it's time to stop the [TS]

00:29:45   leaves i think yeah I don't think [TS]

00:29:47   there's any I don't think there's any [TS]

00:29:49   reason to ever put your kid if you can [TS]

00:29:54   if you can hold the back i can [TS]

00:29:56   understand this is this is where we get [TS]

00:29:58   we're gonna get what you're going to get [TS]

00:30:00   email about this but we are we [TS]

00:30:02   I could understand if you were this [TS]

00:30:06   here's the thing i also much here [TS]

00:30:07   ok so for what it's worth my mom was in [TS]

00:30:10   that position she got jammed in early [TS]

00:30:12   she hated it she was already small she [TS]

00:30:15   already felt she wasn't super duper [TS]

00:30:16   smarts but they dropped into the public [TS]

00:30:18   school because she's more November I'm [TS]

00:30:20   or November you're born in December [TS]

00:30:22   Eleanor's born in October we're all in [TS]

00:30:24   that area of what you're really but [TS]

00:30:25   that's crazy that they sent you and [TS]

00:30:27   that's too that's that's the time i was [TS]

00:30:28   born in Section nuts [TS]

00:30:30   so what it wasn't that crazy but it was [TS]

00:30:32   I cheese I don't know I mean I but I all [TS]

00:30:35   I'm saying is like I my mom literally [TS]

00:30:38   and hated people said are you sure about [TS]

00:30:41   this [TS]

00:30:42   and you know i think it at that time in [TS]

00:30:44   the in the early seventies the idea was [TS]

00:30:47   from you know this was that was this [TS]

00:30:50   like guys have our age my mama out the [TS]

00:30:53   other thing is gonna say--there's that [TS]

00:30:54   I'm my mom hated being early and I love [TS]

00:30:56   being late so I was no event in november [TS]

00:30:59   and I once I started when I was five and [TS]

00:31:02   I was always on the older I was enlarged [TS]

00:31:04   i'm not a big person but it made a huge [TS]

00:31:06   difference and you can just see the [TS]

00:31:07   shrimpy kids that got into early and [TS]

00:31:10   they already had everything going [TS]

00:31:11   against them and it just made it a [TS]

00:31:12   thousand times worse they were they got [TS]

00:31:14   Konrad Lorenz by the schools and the [TS]

00:31:16   kids and then they were always the [TS]

00:31:17   trippy kid until they left it probably [TS]

00:31:19   came at our sniper and then everything I [TS]

00:31:21   never got to get a good every probably [TS]

00:31:23   never got a good handful leaves unless [TS]

00:31:24   they interact somebody out to cover [TS]

00:31:25   something i think i think what happened [TS]

00:31:27   in the seventies was that we had we had [TS]

00:31:29   all these new techniques to do to [TS]

00:31:32   measure a child intelligence but no one [TS]

00:31:35   had really formulated the idea that i'm [TS]

00:31:38   most that our emotion of that there was [TS]

00:31:40   an emotional intelligence and that it's [TS]

00:31:42   summer at a different rate oh my god [TS]

00:31:44   so true the idea is to big points first [TS]

00:31:46   of all you've got it in my case starting [TS]

00:31:48   it'sit's so staggering to me to think [TS]

00:31:50   about what public school was like for me [TS]

00:31:52   when I was 10 verses what it's like for [TS]

00:31:54   a ten-year-old today because this is [TS]

00:31:56   back in the days when you know we still [TS]

00:31:58   had funding out the but you know there [TS]

00:32:00   are kids who came in there and now [TS]

00:32:01   they're the school was their parent they [TS]

00:32:03   came in and got free breakfast at seven [TS]

00:32:05   in the morning they stay there after [TS]

00:32:07   school programs there are sports so you [TS]

00:32:09   know on the one hand that you know there [TS]

00:32:11   was the money there where you could say [TS]

00:32:12   well at least I know if I put my [TS]

00:32:14   four-year-old into kindergarten you know [TS]

00:32:17   it's going to be okay [TS]

00:32:18   they're going to get a hot meal and [TS]

00:32:19   they're not going to end up in jail yeah [TS]

00:32:21   and now today I don't think that same [TS]

00:32:23   guarantee is there i mean like we rather [TS]

00:32:24   pay a little bit of dough and have her [TS]

00:32:26   in this you know it's different for [TS]

00:32:28   everybody and try to judge but like I [TS]

00:32:30   think there's a lot more confidence but [TS]

00:32:32   also John you and I I don't know how [TS]

00:32:33   this was in your house but we're also [TS]

00:32:35   from if you think about that swinging [TS]

00:32:37   pendulum I think you and I are from the [TS]

00:32:39   age of don't be nice to your kid or [TS]

00:32:41   they'll become fruity up alright don't [TS]

00:32:45   the thing is if you if you breastfeed if [TS]

00:32:47   you press the feet it's going to be [TS]

00:32:48   inconvenient and you're going to make a [TS]

00:32:50   fruit they're going to be a little fruit [TS]

00:32:51   don't be don't be too supportive you [TS]

00:32:54   know but you know think the main [TS]

00:32:56   argument that my parents had about my [TS]

00:32:58   upbringing was that my mom really [TS]

00:32:59   guarded my the time that I spent sitting [TS]

00:33:04   staring at a spot on the wall and my dad [TS]

00:33:08   had that the the reaction that you're [TS]

00:33:11   describing which was [TS]

00:33:12   what's the matter with that little fruit [TS]

00:33:14   he's been sitting and staring at a spot [TS]

00:33:17   on the wall for two hours [TS]

00:33:19   he needs to get the fuck up and go out [TS]

00:33:21   and and throw a ball around right and my [TS]

00:33:23   mom's that's not how you become a [TS]

00:33:24   senator my mom would jump in front of it [TS]

00:33:26   should be like david h now he's doing [TS]

00:33:29   something it's not clear what we need to [TS]

00:33:32   we need to like respect this and he [TS]

00:33:36   would go [TS]

00:33:37   got dammit it's not right there's [TS]

00:33:40   something wrong [TS]

00:33:41   he's look at him and I'd be sitting [TS]

00:33:43   there absolutely catatonic staring at a [TS]

00:33:47   spot on the wall and in my imagination I [TS]

00:33:49   was commanding a flotilla of space [TS]

00:33:52   battleships and dad was like I don't [TS]

00:33:56   know what he's thinking about but I [TS]

00:33:57   don't like it [TS]

00:33:58   yeah and if either one of them against [TS]

00:34:00   they both be wrong [TS]

00:34:01   yeah yeah my mom was the game that I [TS]

00:34:04   don't know what that I was Byron and I [TS]

00:34:06   was writing I was like improving the [TS]

00:34:08   quadratic equation something like that's [TS]

00:34:10   what I was really doing was fighting an [TS]

00:34:12   epic epic space battle or I was really [TS]

00:34:16   fighting World War two because i started [TS]

00:34:18   doing that in a team may contain seven [TS]

00:34:20   before and I've been refighting world [TS]

00:34:22   war two ever since i have fought World [TS]

00:34:24   War two I fought every battle war to a [TS]

00:34:26   thousand times in my imagine you could [TS]

00:34:28   have done it better kenya i am free [TS]

00:34:30   aspect of it I could have done better [TS]

00:34:32   you think it's purely from hindsight or [TS]

00:34:33   just to cheer the superior strategist or [TS]

00:34:36   more is it also you got a certain amount [TS]

00:34:38   of emotional detachment maybe you [TS]

00:34:40   understand very hard to know how many of [TS]

00:34:42   us would have would have reacted in real [TS]

00:34:44   time but if I were hermann göring who I [TS]

00:34:46   would not have let the battle of britain [TS]

00:34:48   go the way it went [TS]

00:34:49   let's just say that let's just say that [TS]

00:34:52   let me ask you this if you we mention of [TS]

00:34:55   Russian side what's up [TS]

00:34:56   let's now that's another show ok I don't [TS]

00:34:59   want to solve by Hitler but if you were [TS]

00:35:00   Hitler would you have cracked down on [TS]

00:35:02   the essay a lot sooner be a lot later or [TS]

00:35:08   never [TS]

00:35:09   see just in whatever that 3490 long [TS]

00:35:12   knives your opinion on dealing with the [TS]

00:35:14   restroom in the essay did how was [TS]

00:35:15   Hitler's timing on that because i have [TS]

00:35:18   written something down haha let's [TS]

00:35:22   stipulate he needed the support he [TS]

00:35:25   needed the support of the of the various [TS]

00:35:28   industry you know what sort of looking [TS]

00:35:31   for the captains of industry that's not [TS]

00:35:32   just kept on subscribe 12 and destroyed [TS]

00:35:36   and verkan scheisse scheisse [TS]

00:35:39   you know the thing is if I don't you [TS]

00:35:41   know i'm leaving i'm leading you towards [TS]

00:35:42   what's already on my card but I'm just [TS]

00:35:44   saying BMW and and bear and zyklon b [TS]

00:35:48   people from crop crop fucking corrupt [TS]

00:35:51   they were always a more indie Hitler [TS]

00:35:53   after he got the goons out of the [TS]

00:35:58   streets but he never would have gotten [TS]

00:36:00   there without the fucking goons your [TS]

00:36:01   opinions on water [TS]

00:36:03   si2 early SI too late but you know the [TS]

00:36:06   bride I feel like a I feel like one of [TS]

00:36:08   the things that we that we can't know [TS]

00:36:10   the week that we could that we [TS]

00:36:12   underestimate how difficult it was [TS]

00:36:15   domestically for Hitler particularly as [TS]

00:36:20   his it particularly because his [TS]

00:36:22   constituency work was not just the [TS]

00:36:24   Germans in Germany but the Germans in [TS]

00:36:28   all of Central Europe the race that we [TS]

00:36:32   forget about you said after when people [TS]

00:36:34   are scattered all these Germans living [TS]

00:36:35   in Czechoslovakia don't think of [TS]

00:36:36   themselves as as as being slaughtered [TS]

00:36:39   they think of themselves as being [TS]

00:36:40   Germans they're displaced German space [TS]

00:36:42   oh yeah what I mean for 700 years before [TS]

00:36:44   10 drivers everywhere there's Germans [TS]

00:36:46   all over Europe and you know Hitler has [TS]

00:36:50   this Hitler has this constituency that [TS]

00:36:52   he that he either believes is his or [TS]

00:36:55   actually instance but in either it [TS]

00:36:57   either way like there is no you know [TS]

00:37:01   there is it isn't like England where the [TS]

00:37:05   borders of England are our its water all [TS]

00:37:08   around and there's no big community of [TS]

00:37:11   English living in France you know it's [TS]

00:37:15   that England is a discreet little Empire [TS]

00:37:19   it's a it's a castle basically with a [TS]

00:37:21   look with a big moat [TS]

00:37:22   and Germany is Germany is a is a fried [TS]

00:37:26   egg that's splattered all over you know [TS]

00:37:30   from i mean the the Swedes are the [TS]

00:37:34   Swedes identify sort of as Germanic I [TS]

00:37:37   mean they certainly felt a lot more [TS]

00:37:39   common cause with the Germans then then [TS]

00:37:42   they would like you to remember who [TS]

00:37:43   they're Germans everywhere so this this [TS]

00:37:49   problem of i was reading this [TS]

00:37:51   interesting thing on metafilter the [TS]

00:37:52   other day about the question of why the [TS]

00:37:55   intelligence agents of Germany failed so [TS]

00:38:00   spectacularly why the British had such [TS]

00:38:03   great intelligence and why the German [TS]

00:38:04   sense that's terrible intelligence and [TS]

00:38:07   one of the interesting comments was that [TS]

00:38:09   all the great intelligence agents all [TS]

00:38:13   that you know it's a it's a special kind [TS]

00:38:14   of person that becomes a spy and all the [TS]

00:38:17   great German spies were busy spying on [TS]

00:38:20   the the the first the their fellow [TS]

00:38:25   Germans and second like all the [TS]

00:38:27   partisans in all the countries that they [TS]

00:38:29   occupied like the German spies weren't [TS]

00:38:32   spying on the British they were spying I [TS]

00:38:34   see each other and on my slab that well [TS]

00:38:38   yeah but that that fucked him up in the [TS]

00:38:40   war because the British knew what the [TS]

00:38:43   Germans were doing in the Germans were [TS]

00:38:45   the Germans were fooled multiple times [TS]

00:38:48   in the war by my intelligence operatives [TS]

00:38:52   the British would say oh we're debating [TS]

00:38:53   over here that they would invade Amina [TS]

00:38:55   is this is this too reductive what [TS]

00:38:57   you're saying that it isn't like you [TS]

00:39:00   know you're not saying that the Germans [TS]

00:39:01   distrust their own people almost as much [TS]

00:39:04   as the English but they don't there [TS]

00:39:06   isn't [TS]

00:39:08   there's there's enough diversity or well [TS]

00:39:12   this is the SRAM problem major talking [TS]

00:39:13   about Leia there were a lot of Nazis who [TS]

00:39:16   didn't like nazism there were a lot of [TS]

00:39:18   Germans who were forced into a swearing [TS]

00:39:24   a both of believers and they were into [TS]

00:39:26   that then we have to also stipulates [TS]

00:39:28   defend Hitler you know as you do but but [TS]

00:39:30   but before a lot of that came to light a [TS]

00:39:32   lot of it was just you know cultural [TS]

00:39:34   saber rattling [TS]

00:39:35   think it was it was much more about [TS]

00:39:37   economics yes you could certainly [TS]

00:39:38   scapegoat these people but in the [TS]

00:39:40   beginning you you have you had a bunch [TS]

00:39:41   of people who retired having their ass [TS]

00:39:43   kicked and there's some people just like [TS]

00:39:44   that fist fights but you think don't you [TS]

00:39:47   think the Brownshirts little just goons [TS]

00:39:49   a lot of them ever since Rome I mean you [TS]

00:39:51   know where my kids I don't know that [TS]

00:39:53   many SI people but he did you know I [TS]

00:39:56   know I don't like dudes which is awkward [TS]

00:39:59   but but that's the thing that the the [TS]

00:40:02   Nazis came to power by bullying [TS]

00:40:05   everybody and so they have they had a [TS]

00:40:07   lot of people in Germany that resented [TS]

00:40:09   them that could though they couldn't [TS]

00:40:11   afford to say so but when it came time [TS]

00:40:14   you know when somebody in a trenchcoat [TS]

00:40:15   saddled up to them in a dark alley and [TS]

00:40:17   said hey uh you know things aren't [TS]

00:40:20   looking so good for Germany after the [TS]

00:40:22   war will give you a will give you a [TS]

00:40:24   special place somewhere if you just let [TS]

00:40:26   us know where you're keeping all the [TS]

00:40:29   50-gallon drums of heavy water and there [TS]

00:40:32   were guys were like you know what yeah [TS]

00:40:35   what these guys here here's the secret [TS]

00:40:37   plans and it's because they were never [TS]

00:40:40   not cease to begin with and and they [TS]

00:40:43   were and you know they had no allegiance [TS]

00:40:46   or loyalty to to the party in in the [TS]

00:40:48   sense that the it in and the British for [TS]

00:40:52   instance you know they were just [TS]

00:40:54   defending their homeland there was no it [TS]

00:40:56   transcended party politics for them [TS]

00:40:58   there was no no one was no ink no [TS]

00:41:01   Britain was gonna was going to betray [TS]

00:41:04   England unless he was a real anti-semite [TS]

00:41:07   ER but nutcase know who so so in any way [TS]

00:41:13   that the thug ism in the short-term the [TS]

00:41:18   brown shirt ism you know had there there [TS]

00:41:20   there there are a lot of repercussions [TS]

00:41:21   in the in the in the short term like [TS]

00:41:23   you're saying in the thirties but [TS]

00:41:25   long-term the fact that they brought the [TS]

00:41:29   front of the fact that the first people [TS]

00:41:30   that the Nazis brought under their boots [TS]

00:41:32   were the Germans who [TS]

00:41:35   resulted in I mean there were all kinds [TS]

00:41:37   of fanatical followers but some of the [TS]

00:41:39   aristocrats that Hitler really could [TS]

00:41:42   have used on his team they were playing [TS]

00:41:45   both sides against the middle point [TS]

00:41:47   isn't that isn't ultimately one of the [TS]

00:41:48   things that made that the events around [TS]

00:41:51   night along as successful as he also [TS]

00:41:53   sent a message he sent a message to I [TS]

00:41:56   mean he had trouble all along with the [TS]

00:41:57   military right the actual the because [TS]

00:42:00   the general the generals were extremely [TS]

00:42:02   suspicious at best of him and this was [TS]

00:42:04   sent a messenger man army command who in [TS]

00:42:07   the thirties they still had huge [TS]

00:42:09   feathers in their hats you know what I [TS]

00:42:11   mean like babies were fighting spirit [TS]

00:42:13   isn't worth isn't worth clarifying that [TS]

00:42:15   there was not like one big clubhouse at [TS]

00:42:16   all these guys lived in [TS]

00:42:18   I mean it as late as like 19 32 33 34 [TS]

00:42:21   there's still a huge amount of suspicion [TS]

00:42:23   about the guy [TS]

00:42:25   well this is the thing about that this [TS]

00:42:26   is the thing about Eris the aristocracy [TS]

00:42:28   this is the i mean up until up until the [TS]

00:42:33   1860s in Europe 1868 all these countries [TS]

00:42:38   were ruled by kings and had been for a [TS]

00:42:41   thousand years and there were fits and [TS]

00:42:45   starts different countries became [TS]

00:42:49   parliamentary you know they deposed [TS]

00:42:52   they're starting after the French [TS]

00:42:55   Revolution um we we lost Kings kind of [TS]

00:43:00   gradually the French lost their King [TS]

00:43:04   first and then little by little the [TS]

00:43:10   aristocracy was declining in power but [TS]

00:43:12   by the in the early 20th century those [TS]

00:43:15   the clip class still played such a huge [TS]

00:43:19   role in how Europe thought of itself and [TS]

00:43:21   the the military was traditionally where [TS]

00:43:24   the the highborn people went into the [TS]

00:43:27   officer corps and Hitler was a pillow [TS]

00:43:31   with some rat he was a usable an orphan [TS]

00:43:34   and a guttersnipe you know so these [TS]

00:43:37   people have no respect for him at all [TS]

00:43:38   but it was also the rise of the [TS]

00:43:40   industrialist and a lot of those [TS]

00:43:41   industrialists were aristocrats and a [TS]

00:43:43   lot of them were self-made men you know [TS]

00:43:46   at the finish all the currents the [TS]

00:43:50   social currents that were boiling in [TS]

00:43:52   Central Europe throughout the end of the [TS]

00:43:54   19th century and into the early 20th [TS]

00:43:56   century they all had to do with this [TS]

00:43:58   this the sense that there were no more [TS]

00:44:03   kings but what's going to governance is [TS]

00:44:05   it going to be an is going to be an idea [TS]

00:44:08   is it going to be like an tonight an [TS]

00:44:10   idea that two men had marks and angles [TS]

00:44:13   icare here we have we have envisioned [TS]

00:44:15   the whole exchange between men and we've [TS]

00:44:19   written it down in a couple of books and [TS]

00:44:21   these are these are ideas that are [TS]

00:44:24   stronger than any thing that that we [TS]

00:44:27   might have they're stronger than [TS]

00:44:28   tradition and they're stronger than any [TS]

00:44:29   first-hand experience that anybody might [TS]

00:44:31   have had this idea is a is an overlay [TS]

00:44:35   that we're going to we're going to start [TS]

00:44:36   looking at our lives in light of this [TS]

00:44:38   concept now you know and and that had [TS]

00:44:42   that let the let the mice out of the box [TS]

00:44:45   and everybody had an idea everybody had [TS]

00:44:47   a new idea how capital and labor [TS]

00:44:49   interacted with each other and people [TS]

00:44:52   were literally fighting about it in bars [TS]

00:44:55   not not not just in Germany but I mean [TS]

00:44:58   this was the this was the world my dad [TS]

00:45:00   grew up in here in Washington state [TS]

00:45:02   where you're getting in fist fights in [TS]

00:45:03   bars with people in arguments over the [TS]

00:45:07   relationship between labor and capital [TS]

00:45:08   and now we've we live in a in a world [TS]

00:45:14   where these ideas are not certainly they [TS]

00:45:16   are they've been so been so hacked at [TS]

00:45:23   with sabers from both sides that you [TS]

00:45:26   talk about the Tea Party or the the [TS]

00:45:28   route the election that we're having in [TS]

00:45:29   America right now we're still having a [TS]

00:45:32   national argument about the relationship [TS]

00:45:34   between labor and capital but nobody has [TS]

00:45:36   nobody has a common language anymore [TS]

00:45:38   nobody's really talking about it like [TS]

00:45:40   we're talking about it were yelling at [TS]

00:45:41   each other about this little discreet [TS]

00:45:44   what we're yelling at each other about [TS]

00:45:47   specific points of light you know rather [TS]

00:45:50   than anybody coming out and saying [TS]

00:45:52   here's my philosophy it's a because the [TS]

00:45:57   republican party feels like we don't [TS]

00:45:59   need a philosophy we need our philosophy [TS]

00:46:02   is lazy fair let everybody do what they [TS]

00:46:03   want to do and you know the Democrats [TS]

00:46:07   have been called communists for 90 years [TS]

00:46:11   so they can't the Democratic Party can't [TS]

00:46:13   stand up and say we've got a plan and [TS]

00:46:15   it's an overarching plan that addresses [TS]

00:46:17   the relationship between labor and [TS]

00:46:19   capital and here's what it requires it [TS]

00:46:21   requires that some people some people [TS]

00:46:25   take it in the shorts you know it [TS]

00:46:29   because because we want free lunches in [TS]

00:46:32   our schools [TS]

00:46:33   it's also it also puts any any this is [TS]

00:46:37   pretty rough but if you on it makes any [TS]

00:46:39   theoretical group of people less [TS]

00:46:42   effective if they either a mostly agree [TS]

00:46:46   on what they don't want or be can't even [TS]

00:46:50   agree on what they don't want and that's [TS]

00:46:52   that's that's one less thing you have to [TS]

00:46:54   have like some kind of philosophy or you [TS]

00:46:56   know persuasive theory but you know if [TS]

00:46:58   thats one reason i think the Democrats [TS]

00:47:01   can often seem so scattered is that it [TS]

00:47:03   is kind of Limp sometimes there's not [TS]

00:47:05   there's almost an embarrassment about [TS]

00:47:07   having a strong philosophical [TS]

00:47:08   underpinning that you can stand behind [TS]

00:47:10   in a bar brawl [TS]

00:47:11   there's right there's nothing there's [TS]

00:47:13   nothing that feels muscular to most [TS]

00:47:15   liberals in a way that they would stand [TS]

00:47:16   up and in vino and they can you just see [TS]

00:47:18   something a whiny kids some of the time [TS]

00:47:20   because if you really believe it in the [TS]

00:47:22   way that those guys that union meeting [TS]

00:47:23   did you're going to stand up and say it [TS]

00:47:25   and it's going to be more it's gonna be [TS]

00:47:27   muscular as hell [TS]

00:47:28   it's just that I think most people again [TS]

00:47:30   and we could become like children with [TS]

00:47:31   maybe it's best we become like teenagers [TS]

00:47:33   because we identify very heavily with [TS]

00:47:35   who we don't want to be who we don't [TS]

00:47:36   like and who we want to smite for [TS]

00:47:38   hurting us which is not nearly the same [TS]

00:47:40   thing as saying no no here here is here [TS]

00:47:43   is a series of frame that we need to [TS]

00:47:45   fill with a certain kind of picture and [TS]

00:47:47   that's going to take a lot of courage [TS]

00:47:49   and it's going to a lot of resolve and a [TS]

00:47:51   lot of money [TS]

00:47:53   and and I just I think sometimes be [TS]

00:47:55   honest and conservatives are better that [TS]

00:47:57   their better at putting on a to [TS]

00:47:59   paraphrase the quote of the day you know [TS]

00:48:00   you put give a good fighter you give a [TS]

00:48:02   good show i think the conservatives tend [TS]

00:48:04   to do better fights and better shows [TS]

00:48:06   yeah but because the the the [TS]

00:48:08   Conservatives i mean the the Liberals [TS]

00:48:11   have gone down this weird path where [TS]

00:48:16   they have they have appointed themselves [TS]

00:48:17   the guardians of everyone who has a [TS]

00:48:22   grievance you know we Guardians [TS]

00:48:25   agreements it's the guard the Guardians [TS]

00:48:27   ingredients you know and and the end [TS]

00:48:29   they we have we've gone from the idea [TS]

00:48:32   that there are inalienable human rights [TS]

00:48:34   to a much more water down idea that [TS]

00:48:40   everyone has rights [TS]

00:48:42   everyone has the right to redress for [TS]

00:48:47   what they perceive to be their injuries [TS]

00:48:50   and those are not the same [TS]

00:48:53   those are not the same idea of what [TS]

00:48:56   constitute rights you know what I mean [TS]

00:48:57   like it [TS]

00:48:58   the right to the when the Conservatives [TS]

00:49:01   talk about your rights [TS]

00:49:03   they're always talking about the right [TS]

00:49:05   property the right to bear arms and when [TS]

00:49:09   when liberals talk about rights they're [TS]

00:49:11   talking about the other time about this [TS]

00:49:15   this the what was originally a concept [TS]

00:49:20   of civil rights such as the right to [TS]

00:49:21   vote and a right to be protected by the [TS]

00:49:23   police [TS]

00:49:24   that's now been translated into the [TS]

00:49:27   right to not just the right to be a [TS]

00:49:31   brony because I will defend to the death [TS]

00:49:35   someone's right to be a brony patrick [TS]

00:49:37   henry said that but the right to be a [TS]

00:49:39   brownie and not have anybody tease you [TS]

00:49:42   wretches not a right which I don't think [TS]

00:49:46   you can call a right you know that is [TS]

00:49:48   not a right let's you used to put this [TS]

00:49:50   so on the pathway in my head and one [TS]

00:49:52   hearing is you know [TS]

00:49:54   there's a certain kind of liberal [TS]

00:49:55   mentality which is like you not only [TS]

00:49:57   can't say do these things you're not [TS]

00:50:01   only can't say certain things you not [TS]

00:50:03   only shouldn't even think certain things [TS]

00:50:04   but in order for me to protect the [TS]

00:50:07   people that you might potentially offend [TS]

00:50:09   with that you should apologize to me you [TS]

00:50:12   know when you say things about bronies [TS]

00:50:14   you should apologize to me and i'll let [TS]

00:50:16   them know you know what I mean it's that [TS]

00:50:18   whole thing of like you know there's [TS]

00:50:20   nothing to make anybody into a a a [TS]

00:50:26   gelding minority as we said better than [TS]

00:50:30   having white people apologize and defend [TS]

00:50:32   them [TS]

00:50:33   yeah you know what I mean it's like you [TS]

00:50:35   know and it really you could you become [TS]

00:50:37   like this existential lawyer for people [TS]

00:50:39   who never asked for counsel and you show [TS]

00:50:41   up and you go out and you say look at [TS]

00:50:43   all i could think of always save olive [TS]

00:50:44   oils father that terrible pop I'm of you [TS]

00:50:46   will be an apology [TS]

00:50:48   you know he owes me an apology terrible [TS]

00:50:52   Popeye movie that was a great movie [TS]

00:50:54   yeah it was a little bit like even for [TS]

00:50:56   even if you watching a DVD the cocaine [TS]

00:50:59   literally shoot our if you're on it was [TS]

00:51:03   an unusual choice for was a robert [TS]

00:51:05   altman did then Robert Altman just [TS]

00:51:08   deciding you think was a cocaine think [TS]

00:51:10   he finally just decided I'm going to do [TS]

00:51:11   a musical about an unfilmable cartoon if [TS]

00:51:14   nobody watches anymore dick ok I i think [TS]

00:51:20   what happened a lot of the seventies can [TS]

00:51:21   be explained by cocaine is that fair to [TS]

00:51:23   say absolutely only after the items into [TS]

00:51:25   the ratings to go ahead the whole [TS]

00:51:26   decline of Jimmy Chase oh ok that's a [TS]

00:51:29   fucking pity somehow somehow you know [TS]

00:51:32   your guy here [TS]

00:51:34   your good friend Bill Murray survived it [TS]

00:51:37   I don't know how surviving humans [TS]

00:51:39   feeling he did a lot of cocaine [TS]

00:51:41   oh yeah but but somehow he kept his [TS]

00:51:43   second st maarten-st martin cocaine [TS]

00:51:46   did you read his autobiography and [TS]

00:51:49   listen to the book on tape and I enjoyed [TS]

00:51:51   it very very much i just heard him on [TS]

00:51:52   fresh air in a in a repackaged [TS]

00:51:55   readmission of multiple interviews that [TS]

00:51:57   they re-edited from re-edit for their [TS]

00:51:59   DVD rerelease and Davies was in there [TS]

00:52:03   instead of Terry Gross who is in for [TS]

00:52:04   Davis who was in yes [TS]

00:52:06   and that and I heard that interview yeah [TS]

00:52:07   and Steve Martin sounds like he should [TS]

00:52:09   have done cocaine but may not have done [TS]

00:52:11   that much cocaine he seems like he's had [TS]

00:52:13   about him [TS]

00:52:13   Steve Martin talk about a guy who was [TS]

00:52:16   shagging some babes [TS]

00:52:18   no except he did some shagging but the [TS]

00:52:21   thing about steve martin i get the sense [TS]

00:52:23   is that he shags babes but not without [TS]

00:52:26   some not without thinking about it he [TS]

00:52:29   didn't just shaggin baby shagged a baby [TS]

00:52:31   and then he thought about it a little [TS]

00:52:32   bit and then that he didn't tell anybody [TS]

00:52:34   no no he's a man of he's a man he's a [TS]

00:52:37   very private person so I do feel like he [TS]

00:52:40   probably tried some cocaine but I i [TS]

00:52:42   think i think he he was not you never I [TS]

00:52:45   don't think Steve Martin never descended [TS]

00:52:49   into that pit of hell he just wanted to [TS]

00:52:51   get a magician if you've seen the card [TS]

00:52:52   that he used to give to people [TS]

00:52:54   no i don't think so i admire this a lot [TS]

00:52:56   and this is this true i met somebody who [TS]

00:52:58   got one of these you can search for [TS]

00:53:00   Steve Martin card on the internet and [TS]

00:53:02   you will find this seems a very private [TS]

00:53:04   man i sent me a link two million of [TS]

00:53:06   course I'm sorry I it's very private man [TS]

00:53:10   and you know notoriously so he won't [TS]

00:53:14   even talk about for a long time [TS]

00:53:15   apparently he would even you know [TS]

00:53:16   everybody knew that he liked art but he [TS]

00:53:18   won't even talk about like what art he [TS]

00:53:19   owned like he's just he's really it's [TS]

00:53:22   really does interesting fella [TS]

00:53:23   anyway uuid you know it doesn't like to [TS]

00:53:27   be bothered you so easy we know with [TS]

00:53:28   people is not with people he sitting [TS]

00:53:29   enjoying a meal and some because i was [TS]

00:53:31   only chance to learn you're so great [TS]

00:53:33   we've got to get connected and steve [TS]

00:53:35   martin is not a man who likes so as you [TS]

00:53:37   can see you're smart hand you could say [TS]

00:53:40   it was they can I get your autograph and [TS]

00:53:41   Steve Martin hand you a pre-printed card [TS]

00:53:43   that says this certifies that you've had [TS]

00:53:45   a personal encounter with me and that [TS]

00:53:46   you found me warm polite intelligent and [TS]

00:53:49   funny up that's all anybody wants [TS]

00:53:52   anybody wants I was at a restaurant one [TS]

00:53:55   time with Zooey Deschanel and we walked [TS]

00:53:59   out of the restaurant onto the sidewalk [TS]

00:54:01   and there was a little group of people [TS]

00:54:03   Justin this was this before to a TV show [TS]

00:54:06   there's a little group of indie rock [TS]

00:54:08   people a couple of girls a couple of [TS]

00:54:11   boys they had skinny pants on and big [TS]

00:54:13   chunky glasses [TS]

00:54:15   and they had a sauce go in and they [TS]

00:54:17   waited patiently outside for an hour or [TS]

00:54:20   two [TS]

00:54:21   however long we were in there eating [TS]

00:54:22   dinner and we came outside and they were [TS]

00:54:24   like ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod [TS]

00:54:27   ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod and so [TS]

00:54:31   it was very very gracious with them and [TS]

00:54:34   she signed all their things and then out [TS]

00:54:36   came their cameras and so he said hey [TS]

00:54:39   you guys I really don't feel like having [TS]

00:54:41   my picture taken right now because I [TS]

00:54:43   just feel I'm just out having lunch with [TS]

00:54:45   a friend is that cool and they were all [TS]

00:54:48   like oh totally totally of course and [TS]

00:54:54   nobody took our picture and all and off [TS]

00:54:56   we go [TS]

00:54:57   and it was an encounter where so it was [TS]

00:54:59   very human with them and all they wanted [TS]

00:55:02   was a card from her that said this [TS]

00:55:05   certifies that you have had a personal [TS]

00:55:07   encounter with me and the picture was [TS]

00:55:10   going to be that but then when Zoe asked [TS]

00:55:14   them not to take a picture in a really [TS]

00:55:16   nice way that became the card you know [TS]

00:55:21   how she had now that's on facebook now [TS]

00:55:24   they have a story they didn't need the [TS]

00:55:26   picture anymore because now they had a [TS]

00:55:28   story where they're like you know what i [TS]

00:55:30   meant no additional one time and she [TS]

00:55:31   asked me not to take a picture and it [TS]

00:55:33   was really cool and it and it was a it [TS]

00:55:36   was a also that you're saying they [TS]

00:55:37   actually really didn't mind they didn't [TS]

00:55:39   take a picture and they didn't mind [TS]

00:55:41   because now they had story and strains [TS]

00:55:44   credulity well it's out and i think it's [TS]

00:55:47   true and that's why I awesome that's [TS]

00:55:49   awesome dusty mine said hey steve martin [TS]

00:55:51   i'm a huge fan and he had and he said [TS]

00:55:53   nothing [TS]

00:55:54   he handed me this card and like winked [TS]

00:55:57   at me and then went back to what he was [TS]

00:55:58   doing [TS]

00:55:59   I would walk away with that card and i [TS]

00:56:00   would say I would you know check it [TS]

00:56:03   right i would Pat I would catch on that [TS]

00:56:05   card everybody for a year with you and [TS]

00:56:07   then the zoo Easter's are are different [TS]

00:56:09   in that regard president by the way up [TS]

00:56:11   are different from most people in that [TS]

00:56:12   regard where and I've been this creepy [TS]

00:56:14   guy and I've been on the receiving end [TS]

00:56:16   of this creepy guy which is it will [TS]

00:56:17   never stop escalating it will start with [TS]

00:56:20   it could be a playful jiving driving [TS]

00:56:23   rather it could be a you know hey only [TS]

00:56:25   the from the thing and then it's going [TS]

00:56:26   to be my piece and then it [TS]

00:56:28   be a picture and then pretty soon like [TS]

00:56:29   that person was to move in so last with [TS]

00:56:32   as with the front of our seats on your [TS]

00:56:34   hands [TS]

00:56:34   mmm yeah yes now she's probably had some [TS]

00:56:38   penises on your pants off my passion get [TS]

00:56:41   your penis off my pants I know where [TS]

00:56:42   she's a lot of moves fast she's not [TS]

00:56:43   nobody's nobody's getting close to her [TS]

00:56:45   that way [TS]

00:56:46   yeah but that's what does not a skill [TS]

00:56:48   and we have we have we have a mutual [TS]

00:56:49   friend who would be embarrassed if we [TS]

00:56:50   said this about him but he's awfully [TS]

00:56:52   good at that we have a mutual friend who [TS]

00:56:53   is awfully good at being exactly as [TS]

00:56:55   gracious as he wants to be and then [TS]

00:56:57   making it very clear that we're done now [TS]

00:56:58   and I i we have several other mutual [TS]

00:57:01   friends who envied that ability but it [TS]

00:57:06   is because you don't you know I guess [TS]

00:57:08   especially if you have a certain kind of [TS]

00:57:09   test term public image that you can get [TS]

00:57:11   away with that more you know what i mean [TS]

00:57:13   but you know it uh I i had a very bad [TS]

00:57:17   very first strange lunch the other day [TS]

00:57:20   with a friend who uh we were talking at [TS]

00:57:24   we're talking about ourselves and and [TS]

00:57:27   how difficult it is to be happy [TS]

00:57:29   sometimes this friend is a mutual [TS]

00:57:32   friend's friend I had lunch with a [TS]

00:57:33   mutual friend of yours and mine who owns [TS]

00:57:35   a local record label [TS]

00:57:36   uh-huh and he said you know my dad was a [TS]

00:57:39   jerk a my whole life because he believed [TS]

00:57:45   that he was destined for bigger things [TS]

00:57:47   then the things that he had in front of [TS]

00:57:52   him and he was he was mad about it he [TS]

00:57:55   was a jerk to everybody and I just had a [TS]

00:57:57   conversation with him very recently [TS]

00:57:59   where he said that he realized that he [TS]

00:58:04   was not failing to live up to his [TS]

00:58:06   potential his whole life but in fact it [TS]

00:58:11   was just that his potential was not as [TS]

00:58:14   great as he thought all that in fact I [TS]

00:58:16   that's a double double ouch [TS]

00:58:18   in fact he had been living up to his [TS]

00:58:20   potential the entire Tosh and that what [TS]

00:58:24   he should have been doing was just [TS]

00:58:25   realizing that being happy [TS]

00:58:28   and so he was miserable because he was [TS]

00:58:30   kicking himself his whole life not [TS]

00:58:32   achieving as much as he danced to that [TS]

00:58:36   is it that is a german film [TS]

00:58:39   holy shit that hurts and instead yeah [TS]

00:58:41   instead he should have been happy his [TS]

00:58:43   whole life because he was actually he [TS]

00:58:46   was actually doing he was actually [TS]

00:58:47   working to to his capacity the whole [TS]

00:58:51   time and and sitting across the table [TS]

00:58:54   from this guy was like I don't know what [TS]

00:58:55   I don't know which part of this hurts me [TS]

00:58:58   more [TS]

00:58:59   I don't know which part i don't know [TS]

00:59:00   which side of your little lesson that [TS]

00:59:03   you're trying to impart to me is is [TS]

00:59:05   grosser is harder for me to swallow like [TS]

00:59:08   either i am either I'm actually living [TS]

00:59:13   up to my potential right now and I'm [TS]

00:59:15   miserable for no reason I don't know if [TS]

00:59:17   you just feel sorry it's fucking weird [TS]

00:59:19   shit which is fucking steps sucks [TS]

00:59:23   yeah are you kidding me and and and the [TS]

00:59:26   lesson is that I just need to be content [TS]

00:59:27   and happy with what I what I what I am [TS]

00:59:29   doing now and not aspire and not be on [TS]

00:59:32   top of myself all the time trying to [TS]

00:59:34   charge forward and and be bare and that [TS]

00:59:38   causes me you know great despair or the [TS]

00:59:42   alternative is that i do that my whole [TS]

00:59:44   life and him miserable and then when i'm [TS]

00:59:47   old i look back and go how that was that [TS]

00:59:50   was all for my hand and just when we're [TS]

00:59:52   done recording please not live i would [TS]

00:59:53   love to hear which one of those messages [TS]

00:59:55   you think he was sending to you because [TS]

00:59:57   that could really say a lot about the [TS]

00:59:58   next five years of your life [TS]

00:59:58   next five years of your life [TS]

01:00:00   actually grabbed him by the shirt was [TS]

01:00:01   like you honestly think I'm living up to [TS]

01:00:03   my potential tell me he was like no no [TS]

01:00:05   not at all i was like thank you [TS]

01:00:08   what's in the box what's in the bag was [TS]

01:00:12   never right I'm not living up to my [TS]

01:00:13   potential [TS]

01:00:13   fucking-a once you start telling me that [TS]

01:00:16   I'm living up to my potential what a [TS]

01:00:17   what a terrible thing to say to sauna is [TS]

01:00:19   awful it's like you don't sweat much for [TS]

01:00:21   a fat girl but which way to go I now I [TS]

01:00:24   know which way to go i don't know i [TS]

01:00:27   gotta be able to do you think about this [TS]

01:00:29   the boy just examples from what we just [TS]

01:00:30   just talked about you remember the [TS]

01:00:32   anecdote Steve Martin talking about his [TS]

01:00:34   dad and his dad like I think was pretty [TS]

01:00:37   much like just about on his deathbed [TS]

01:00:38   before you ever said anything really [TS]

01:00:39   nice about his work he's been on all [TS]

01:00:42   these you know he was a huge success i'm [TS]

01:00:44   using ridiculously huge success story [TS]

01:00:46   was able to walk him i was able to walk [TS]

01:00:48   away from his career-making career just [TS]

01:00:50   go do something else and what could be [TS]

01:00:51   more attractive into play stadiums and [TS]

01:00:55   maybe the only comedian to really play [TS]

01:00:57   stadium shows like 40,000 people right [TS]

01:01:00   would come to watch steve martin put up [TS]

01:01:02   at where that arrow through the head [TS]

01:01:03   thing and and well and what's and what's [TS]

01:01:06   weird for people like you and me like [TS]

01:01:07   you remember when you're younger and [TS]

01:01:08   everything feels like it's you know [TS]

01:01:10   takes longer every school year feels [TS]

01:01:11   like it takes forever his first album [TS]

01:01:13   came out i think in 1975 the same year [TS]

01:01:15   he first appeared on Saturday Night Live [TS]

01:01:17   which was the career maker for him I [TS]

01:01:19   think his last record was like making e2 [TS]

01:01:21   maybe I mean he did all of that like era [TS]

01:01:24   through the head guy stuff and then just [TS]

01:01:27   walked away and said that's it you know [TS]

01:01:28   i'm done here like the jerk is really [TS]

01:01:30   much closer to Steve Martin stand up [TS]

01:01:32   then say you know Steve Martin like [TS]

01:01:33   Roxanne or something but it was really [TS]

01:01:36   he was like what's my magazine at the [TS]

01:01:38   time he was at the time what's my [TS]

01:01:40   magazine would later call a celebrity [TS]

01:01:42   refusenik right where he stopped stand [TS]

01:01:44   up in nineteen wait for ya 81 oh come on [TS]

01:01:48   1981 and I got 44 I've actually written [TS]

01:01:52   on three cards so we should come back to [TS]

01:01:53   that but but his father [TS]

01:01:55   okay so you got that you notice you got [TS]

01:01:57   here you got that was named Jackson not [TS]

01:01:59   the one guy the other guy that father [TS]

01:02:00   the Jackson 5 totally right right [TS]

01:02:02   classic marie wilson on you is that guy [TS]

01:02:05   has good night Jackson squads very [TS]

01:02:08   handsome on every time your eyes always [TS]

01:02:10   going to be peering like that [TS]

01:02:11   and Marie Wilson the father of the Brian [TS]

01:02:14   in the and the boys so disapproving [TS]

01:02:16   fathers or Father's that route that that [TS]

01:02:19   don't give up don't give approval [TS]

01:02:21   yes and with the case of Marie Murray's [TS]

01:02:25   always felt you know for the first day [TS]

01:02:27   of class I would take it out make brian [TS]

01:02:28   looking the whole yeah and-and-and so [TS]

01:02:32   what Murray had inserted himself into [TS]

01:02:34   every aspect of their career because he [TS]

01:02:36   was a failed musician he was like he had [TS]

01:02:40   he did not have Brian Brian like when he [TS]

01:02:43   was still lucid well-suited lucid he had [TS]

01:02:46   more talent you know in his pinky then [TS]

01:02:48   his father had his entire life but this [TS]

01:02:50   is the story over and over you hear [TS]

01:02:51   these stories I guess what this is like [TS]

01:02:52   gypsy rose lee whatever all these [TS]

01:02:54   stories you hear about I'm just saying [TS]

01:02:56   like it's we've got you know we gotta we [TS]

01:02:58   gotta steer around this John with our [TS]

01:02:59   kids were obviously we're already pretty [TS]

01:03:00   good and fucked up [TS]

01:03:01   yeah we don't we don't want to we don't [TS]

01:03:03   want to we don't want to withhold our [TS]

01:03:05   love and approval from our children i [TS]

01:03:09   watch i watch too many movies i watch [TS]

01:03:10   the first half of the movie her was [TS]

01:03:12   really good last night and that was okay [TS]

01:03:13   it's a movie about this little guy image [TS]

01:03:14   pan who makes let's consider the best [TS]

01:03:16   sushi in the world [TS]

01:03:17   oh that's coming there's a notice me 200 [TS]

01:03:20   dreams of sushi I think it's called I [TS]

01:03:22   don't know the movie but what there is [TS]

01:03:24   in Japan a cultural like there is the [TS]

01:03:29   best woodcutter in Japan the best barrel [TS]

01:03:32   maker in Japan there's a there's a [TS]

01:03:34   cultural imperative to find the crafts [TS]

01:03:37   person in each of the of the traditional [TS]

01:03:40   Japanese arts and like identify him or [TS]

01:03:43   her as the greatest X in Japan and like [TS]

01:03:47   shower this person with money and [TS]

01:03:49   accolades and wow really yeah isn't it [TS]

01:03:53   seems really super Japanese it's very [TS]

01:03:55   Japanese and but it's also like can you [TS]

01:03:59   imagine I mean I I think you have to [TS]

01:04:01   have a kind of you have a somewhat of a [TS]

01:04:04   uniform culture in order to to say like [TS]

01:04:07   a barrel making is a great part of [TS]

01:04:10   people think we can call them pretty [TS]

01:04:12   uniform culture and this guy this guy is [TS]

01:04:15   the great barrel maker and you know that [TS]

01:04:16   whole business of like the the [TS]

01:04:20   calligraphy alright you know there is [TS]

01:04:22   the greatest calligrapher in Japan and [TS]

01:04:25   he [TS]

01:04:25   is a national treasure and I think [TS]

01:04:26   that's what they're called national [TS]

01:04:27   national treasures you become like the [TS]

01:04:29   east [TS]

01:04:30   yeah there's this little box in Japanese [TS]

01:04:32   there's a lot of stuff that people are [TS]

01:04:34   very concerned about Japan that feels [TS]

01:04:35   like a mr. show sketch to me it's [TS]

01:04:37   because there's people who see the [TS]

01:04:38   stations and things that are lost on me [TS]

01:04:40   but Sookie bashe 2014 mustache and so he [TS]

01:04:44   in one part of this and personally I [TS]

01:04:46   don't know it i don't know they have to [TS]

01:04:48   Philip Glass soundtrack which is always [TS]

01:04:50   problematic because the thing perfect [TS]

01:04:52   the art of sushi am now when we start [TS]

01:04:54   talking about the art of sushi who then [TS]

01:04:58   went into this world of like is there an [TS]

01:05:01   art of french fries [TS]

01:05:02   is there an art of is there an art of [TS]

01:05:07   sugar picking like the IC these are [TS]

01:05:11   concepts that in Japan I think you could [TS]

01:05:12   get into a fistfight in a bar / like is [TS]

01:05:15   he the greatest booger picker in all of [TS]

01:05:18   Japan who has he gone through his [TS]

01:05:20   apprenticeship as he's really but in [TS]

01:05:22   those you put in miles has he has he [TS]

01:05:24   fingered the finger as he really gotten [TS]

01:05:26   in there long enough [TS]

01:05:27   yeah and deep enough let's add a certain [TS]

01:05:29   point at a certain point and this is [TS]

01:05:30   that this is the mystery of Asia this is [TS]

01:05:32   what makes pages so inscrutable not to [TS]

01:05:34   get people who but if you do something [TS]

01:05:39   lon does do you get first of all do you [TS]

01:05:43   become a master added and second of all [TS]

01:05:46   is that the road to enlightenment if you [TS]

01:05:49   should if you just sit and and you know [TS]

01:05:52   press your finger into your taint into [TS]

01:05:56   that soft area between foo your beer [TS]

01:05:59   pooper and your general um we just press [TS]

01:06:02   on it [TS]

01:06:04   yeah and then release press and release [TS]

01:06:06   the press and release and do that for 40 [TS]

01:06:09   years will you [TS]

01:06:13   IC will you achieve a higher [TS]

01:06:16   consciousness income taxes on did you [TS]

01:06:19   become the there's work for this that [TS]

01:06:22   he's the they use this word i think i [TS]

01:06:24   know what you're talking about i think [TS]

01:06:24   they use this actual word the sushi [TS]

01:06:27   could [TS]

01:06:28   look for it later but yeah thnkx oh my i [TS]

01:06:32   want to fuck this one to four episodes [TS]

01:06:34   because there's a lot to finish here i'm [TS]

01:06:36   always interesting talking about the [TS]

01:06:37   taint and in Japan I know you do and my [TS]

01:06:40   goodness I the buddy system to a son so [TS]

01:06:44   is his two sons [TS]

01:06:45   here's one sign who is is so basically [TS]

01:06:48   it's $300 you come into this place it's [TS]

01:06:50   got a bar to see this movie [TS]

01:06:52   now now i watch on netflix was lying in [TS]

01:06:54   bed was comfortable six watching them [TS]

01:06:55   yet but I I you know I was good at it i [TS]

01:06:59   don't think it's a catfish it it's got [TS]

01:07:01   99 percent on rotten tomatoes but I [TS]

01:07:03   thought it was a little samey and I can [TS]

01:07:04   fill up the whole class you know how [TS]

01:07:07   many how many more songs can you get out [TS]

01:07:08   of done and uh I get 15 15 15 squad [TS]

01:07:15   gonna pick a pocket rocket on bad bad [TS]

01:07:20   bad bad you got to get up get up get up [TS]

01:07:23   and talk about my Baba did I spent a lot [TS]

01:07:29   of ways i thought was a joke i thought [TS]

01:07:30   it was like it was like a I really want [TS]

01:07:32   you to do your Philip Glass impression [TS]

01:07:33   that one of our life performance which [TS]

01:07:36   we should mention probably what he's [TS]

01:07:38   doing he's talking about his kids he's [TS]

01:07:40   talking about the fact that one time he [TS]

01:07:42   slept in late on a Sunday and is [TS]

01:07:44   literally honestly one of his kids said [TS]

01:07:46   there's a stranger in the house because [TS]

01:07:47   he would leave for work at five in the [TS]

01:07:49   morning and come home after ten at night [TS]

01:07:51   and he continues to work every day if he [TS]

01:07:53   goes to a funeral he's 80-something [TS]

01:07:55   years old if he goes to a funeral his [TS]

01:07:57   his son who's 51 and works for him [TS]

01:08:00   fills in the place has 10 seats $300 a [TS]

01:08:04   plate takes about 15 minutes to eat this [TS]

01:08:05   in a normal situation is booked a month [TS]

01:08:08   in advance [TS]

01:08:09   that's the only like Michelin three-star [TS]

01:08:10   place of its kind in the entire world [TS]

01:08:13   but he sits there in front of his son [TS]

01:08:15   and he talks about like to this point [TS]

01:08:18   saying he's saying you know too many [TS]

01:08:20   people like say you're you know say [TS]

01:08:22   these things to their kids you know I [TS]

01:08:24   know it's gonna be fine [TS]

01:08:25   you have to tell me to push them out of [TS]

01:08:26   the house and say you don't have a home [TS]

01:08:28   here anymore you have no home here right [TS]

01:08:30   you've got to eat basically pushing in [TS]

01:08:32   the sense of like pushing them out of [TS]

01:08:33   the nest [TS]

01:08:34   and maybe it's just because i was [TS]

01:08:36   feeling under the weather and I in for [TS]

01:08:37   cupcakes but I was sitting there and [TS]

01:08:38   just thinking like I I'm warming up to [TS]

01:08:41   this whole don't say good I'm warming up [TS]

01:08:44   to that but the whole idea of like you [TS]

01:08:46   don't have a home here anymore seems [TS]

01:08:47   pretty fucked up to me let me ask you [TS]

01:08:49   this did you get pushed out of the nest [TS]

01:08:51   now obviously possess wasn't the best [TS]

01:08:54   was available to you I will always have [TS]

01:08:55   a home there [TS]

01:08:56   yeah my mom my mom would keep my room in [TS]

01:08:59   situ if she could I think I didn't I was [TS]

01:09:03   still with the no girls allowed sign on [TS]

01:09:04   the door next time keep your baskets [TS]

01:09:08   game masters of it [TS]

01:09:11   thank you I dad out of the nest either [TS]

01:09:19   and i think a lot of the decisions I [TS]

01:09:21   made in my early twenties were all [TS]

01:09:24   attempts to push myself out of the nest [TS]

01:09:27   and you can at it's very hard [TS]

01:09:31   it was very hard for me to successfully [TS]

01:09:33   push myself out of the nest because I [TS]

01:09:36   would I would I would leave home i would [TS]

01:09:38   go I would sleep under bridges i would [TS]

01:09:40   say i don't need money man I don't need [TS]

01:09:43   money and i would get covered with lice [TS]

01:09:47   and the people would hit me and I would [TS]

01:09:51   get I would have a perpetually runny [TS]

01:09:53   nose and I looked I looked like I lived [TS]

01:09:57   in a bill and then at a certain points [TS]

01:10:01   when I would when you know when there [TS]

01:10:04   would be when they would actually be [TS]

01:10:06   like little families of sea monkeys [TS]

01:10:08   living under my fingernails i would say [TS]

01:10:11   this sucks and i would go find a [TS]

01:10:15   payphone and I would dial collect to [TS]

01:10:21   Alaska and the operator would say more [TS]

01:10:24   acceptable a call from John and my mom [TS]

01:10:28   or dad would say yes oh my god and i [TS]

01:10:31   would go high and they go where are you [TS]

01:10:34   where have you been [TS]

01:10:36   and i would say i'm in st. Louis [TS]

01:10:38   Missouri and they would go [TS]

01:10:39   what was wrong with you why haven't you [TS]

01:10:41   called and i would say I'm fine lonely [TS]

01:10:45   and they would go up [TS]

01:10:47   God well why don't you come home and I [TS]

01:10:52   would say okay my god your your your mom [TS]

01:10:56   in particular it's she's such a [TS]

01:10:59   fascinating person and there's she's not [TS]

01:11:01   i don't know now what's the word I'm [TS]

01:11:03   looking for she's she just always [TS]

01:11:04   surprises me [TS]

01:11:05   it's amazing what you will and won't put [TS]

01:11:07   up with and then what you want and we'll [TS]

01:11:08   put up with it it's shaky believe she [TS]

01:11:11   suffered you for so long and so gladly [TS]

01:11:13   and so graciously well and there was a [TS]

01:11:16   part of me i think in the family stop it [TS]

01:11:18   was talking with thank you suggested to [TS]

01:11:20   your targets such as hell but she's but [TS]

01:11:22   but that and I think that is a [TS]

01:11:25   generational that that is a generational [TS]

01:11:27   ship that was happening because i think [TS]

01:11:29   at at because when she was that age she [TS]

01:11:33   said you know what I'm never going back [TS]

01:11:35   to Ohio and she left Ohio and she never [TS]

01:11:38   went back and when I left Alaska and [TS]

01:11:45   said you know what I'm never going back [TS]

01:11:46   to Alaska [TS]

01:11:47   in fact i did go back to Alaska who and [TS]

01:11:50   i went back and said and then I left [TS]

01:11:53   again and said I'm never coming back [TS]

01:11:54   here and I did go back and i went back [TS]

01:11:57   multiple times and I that part of me [TS]

01:11:58   kept waiting for them to say that for [TS]

01:12:02   them to slam the door on me for it for [TS]

01:12:05   him to say you do not have a home here [TS]

01:12:06   anymore and it never happened and I was [TS]

01:12:11   not successfully I was not able to do it [TS]

01:12:14   myself I was not able to slam that door [TS]

01:12:16   in my own face for whatever reason and i [TS]

01:12:19   don't know whether it is that we are [TS]

01:12:21   that we were the first generation of of [TS]

01:12:25   fruits i don't know what their I don't [TS]

01:12:29   know [TS]

01:12:29   kc you see what happens is the [TS]

01:12:31   revolutions of 1848 that that set in [TS]

01:12:34   motion a chain of events where the the [TS]

01:12:37   Kaiser was deposed and then eventually I [TS]

01:12:41   became a fruit I don't know whether it [TS]

01:12:44   was 44 I don't know what it is [TS]

01:12:47   what happened to us that we were not [TS]

01:12:50   pushed out of our homes and we also [TS]

01:12:53   never really severed those apron strings [TS]

01:12:56   ourselves [TS]

01:12:59   [Music] [TS]

01:13:00   and and again this may be another [TS]

01:13:02   example of me being too hard on myself [TS]

01:13:04   than 175 and sitting I you know with my [TS]

01:13:08   child I'm gonna say you know what I [TS]

01:13:09   should have been a lot easier on myself [TS]

01:13:10   because I was doing the best I could [TS]

01:13:12   never realized how low your standard [TS]

01:13:14   should be you never realize healthy you [TS]

01:13:15   know how low your potential truly was [TS]

01:13:18   that whole time when you were actually [TS]

01:13:20   doing better than you should be doing [TS]

01:13:21   right now all time that I was doing [TS]

01:13:23   people sandwiches in the bathtub and [TS]

01:13:25   bring about a feeling like that was a [TS]

01:13:27   career that actually was a career that [TS]

01:13:29   was as good as I could do that was it [TS]

01:13:32   will become your own harry chapin saw it [TS]

01:13:35   was peeking and I shouldn't I should [TS]

01:13:36   have known I should have been happier [TS]

01:13:38   I'll god this is gonna dog me this is [TS]

01:13:41   sets this that the whole idea that is so [TS]

01:13:43   gonna dog me down the line long time [TS]

01:13:45   probably this week but kuya diary this I [TS]

01:13:48   would love for you to tell the story [TS]

01:13:49   about your mom and then there and her [TS]

01:13:51   dental work at some point you told me [TS]

01:13:53   that when i was in Seattle I'd never [TS]

01:13:54   heard that story and like all things [TS]

01:13:56   again and once you get too personal but [TS]

01:13:58   I mean it's a story maybe next time [TS]

01:13:59   we're sharing because i think you really [TS]

01:14:01   really think somebody somebody who's [TS]

01:14:03   been through what your mom has been [TS]

01:14:04   through has the stones to go you know [TS]

01:14:06   what I'm not going back to Ohio and [TS]

01:14:07   that's just how it's going to be well [TS]

01:14:09   but here's the here's the funny thing [TS]

01:14:10   you think about you think about all the [TS]

01:14:13   Holocaust survivors who right now are [TS]

01:14:16   there that there are very few of them [TS]

01:14:17   left you know they're they're dying at a [TS]

01:14:19   rate of of fifty percent of a day or [TS]

01:14:23   whatever but you think about those [TS]

01:14:25   people and what they endured and the [TS]

01:14:30   fact that they then rejoined human life [TS]

01:14:32   and lived in towns and went to the [TS]

01:14:35   grocery store and watched their shows on [TS]

01:14:38   TV and the gap you want to think that [TS]

01:14:43   that that what they endured made them [TS]

01:14:46   into a different kind of human being [TS]

01:14:50   like an unprecedented kind of human that [TS]

01:14:54   air that their ability to endure the [TS]

01:14:56   suffering that they had endured them the [TS]

01:14:58   trauma that they expect their like [TS]

01:15:00   superhuman there-there there-there the [TS]

01:15:02   metal for their blade has been folded [TS]

01:15:04   many more times than other people [TS]

01:15:06   they've been forged into something right [TS]

01:15:08   whatever level that they are other [TS]

01:15:10   utterly other but in fact [TS]

01:15:14   the difference between those the the [TS]

01:15:18   difference between an [TS]

01:15:18   eighty-five-year-old Holocaust survivor [TS]

01:15:20   and me is actually not that the Gulf [TS]

01:15:24   isn't that wide but the the Gulf of [TS]

01:15:28   human experience although people like [TS]

01:15:31   the things that my mom experienced in [TS]

01:15:33   her childhood and the pain that she was [TS]

01:15:35   capable of enduring uh seems the [TS]

01:15:40   inconceivable to attempt to me who has [TS]

01:15:43   never who's never actually walked five [TS]

01:15:47   miles on a broken foot or had a like 15 [TS]

01:15:51   root canals with no anesthesia that has [TS]

01:15:53   net at that is inconceivable to me and [TS]

01:15:56   to imagine she enjoyed those things she [TS]

01:15:58   must be must be utterly different but in [TS]

01:16:02   fact she's she is a human being she is [TS]

01:16:05   she has the same capacities that I do [TS]

01:16:08   and the same she's a certainly certainly [TS]

01:16:11   a Holocaust survivor has a lot of other [TS]

01:16:14   things going on but this is the crazy [TS]

01:16:17   thing about about humanity that what is [TS]

01:16:21   the same about us across cultures across [TS]

01:16:24   that the difference between rich and [TS]

01:16:26   poor the difference the differences [TS]

01:16:28   between us are so miniscule we are all [TS]

01:16:34   we are ultimately very very very alike [TS]

01:16:37   and very very a liking in capability and [TS]

01:16:41   in in and and ultimately like [TS]

01:16:46   inexperienced you know this is the this [TS]

01:16:49   is the thing about relative suffering [TS]

01:16:51   right i mean the the somebody like you [TS]

01:16:54   or somebody like me who has had X amount [TS]

01:16:58   of suffering in our life and at this is [TS]

01:17:01   why I I object so much to the idea of [TS]

01:17:04   white people problems or first world [TS]

01:17:07   problems that phrase drives me crazy [TS]

01:17:12   because the relative experience of [TS]

01:17:16   suffering is it [TS]

01:17:21   it actually is relative that this this [TS]

01:17:25   person who has who worked their entire [TS]

01:17:27   lives in a mercury mind and this person [TS]

01:17:29   who was born with a silver spoon in [TS]

01:17:31   their mouth to say that the one that was [TS]

01:17:33   born with a suit silver spoon in his [TS]

01:17:34   mouth doesn't know suffering who is [TS]

01:17:37   incredibly condescending and in fact the [TS]

01:17:40   person who worked in a mercury mind his [TS]

01:17:42   whole life and died at 30 he danced and [TS]

01:17:44   sang and enjoyed his his food so so the [TS]

01:17:49   idea that suffering is on some kind of [TS]

01:17:51   on some kind of measurable scale and the [TS]

01:17:56   person who has suffered the most has a [TS]

01:17:59   nobility that the person who has [TS]

01:18:01   suffered the least has no access to is [TS]

01:18:04   to misjudge what it is to be human [TS]

01:18:11   hmm i think it's because I'm and are now [TS]

01:18:21   trying to decide if this makes all the [TS]

01:18:23   sense or none of the sense but it is a [TS]

01:18:24   it is actually peculiarly a to use the [TS]

01:18:29   phrase you don't like it is kind of a [TS]

01:18:30   white guy thing to arm 22 [TS]

01:18:34   I don't know I don't know it's it's it [TS]

01:18:36   it's fighting me how many of the people [TS]

01:18:38   who are out there worrying about these [TS]

01:18:39   things are indeed my people like you and [TS]

01:18:41   me what we've just done a podcast about [TS]

01:18:42   it [TS]

01:18:43   well this is that this I when I was [TS]

01:18:45   walking across europe i remember sitting [TS]

01:18:47   in a in this uh this apartment in [TS]

01:18:50   Romania it's always in Romanian my [TS]

01:18:53   stories but this was the this was a [TS]

01:18:56   place where where the there was a shit [TS]

01:18:59   girl had a shower and the shower pointed [TS]

01:19:02   at the toilet and the light that she had [TS]

01:19:06   in her apartment came in through a bare [TS]

01:19:09   wire that went like over the shower [TS]

01:19:11   through the door and to a light bulb [TS]

01:19:14   hanging you know over her like palette [TS]

01:19:16   of a bed and the the cement walls of her [TS]

01:19:20   like one room apartment we're sweating [TS]

01:19:23   the moisture and i'm sitting on the [TS]

01:19:26   floor because I because she's let me [TS]

01:19:27   come there and sleep that night and [TS]

01:19:30   she's sitting on the bed and we're [TS]

01:19:32   talking and we don't have a common [TS]

01:19:34   language she doesn't speak English and I [TS]

01:19:35   don't speak Romanian but we're we're [TS]

01:19:37   talking in that whether you'd you learn [TS]

01:19:40   to talk with people that you don't have [TS]

01:19:42   a language with and 0 after a while she [TS]

01:19:46   she looks at me and she says you know I [TS]

01:19:51   would love that that the only way that [TS]

01:19:56   you can do what you're doing [TS]

01:19:58   the only way that you can have the [TS]

01:19:59   thoughts that you're having and walk [TS]

01:20:01   across Europe in this way and think [TS]

01:20:03   about the world in this way is because [TS]

01:20:06   you're rich [TS]

01:20:07   there's no other e-mail this is a luxury [TS]

01:20:12   and it is you are doing a thing that [TS]

01:20:15   only a rich person can do and I said but [TS]

01:20:20   you and I are here and i am you know i'm [TS]

01:20:24   i'm using your hospitality tonight yet [TS]

01:20:28   if if it weren't for you I would be [TS]

01:20:30   sleeping outside on the ground and I'm [TS]

01:20:33   sleeping here and your apartment is is [TS]

01:20:36   that is you have the luxuries and this [TS]

01:20:39   in our relationship and she said yeah [TS]

01:20:41   you are rich enough to deny yourself [TS]

01:20:44   luxury and I [TS]

01:20:53   chewed on it but the people who wrote [TS]

01:21:01   the Declaration of Independence were [TS]

01:21:04   rich enough to deny themselves the [TS]

01:21:07   luxury of becoming tyrants and we can't [TS]

01:21:15   we can't look at them and say that white [TS]

01:21:20   people problems you know like the this [TS]

01:21:25   the story of human beings is it that the [TS]

01:21:30   difference between a rich person and a [TS]

01:21:32   poor person seemed so incredible to us [TS]

01:21:34   because we are here where we're in it i [TS]

01:21:38   think if you were flying overhead in a [TS]

01:21:42   in a UFO and looking down at somebody [TS]

01:21:44   who is sleeping in a mud hole and Donald [TS]

01:21:47   Trump you might not see there being that [TS]

01:21:49   big of a gulf between the two lives [TS]

01:21:53   because we're all living in a mud hole [TS]

01:21:55   here Donald Trump's solid gold bed is [TS]

01:22:00   not that much different from a mudhole [TS]

01:22:04   from if you get if you get high enough [TS]

01:22:07   up in the sky [TS]

01:22:09   you know we all have to we all have to [TS]

01:22:12   poop and it's also the so let me let me [TS]

01:22:18   ask you this if Donald Trump if every [TS]

01:22:19   time Donald Trump oops [TS]

01:22:21   it feels like he's pooping race blades [TS]

01:22:24   who which I hope is the case in magic [TS]

01:22:28   enough water [TS]

01:22:29   I really hope that's true that every [TS]

01:22:31   time Donald Trump oops [TS]

01:22:33   it feels like he's pooping raising lot [TS]

01:22:34   stuff and then in contrast you think of [TS]

01:22:38   someone who lives in a shack that they [TS]

01:22:40   made out of grass that they cut [TS]

01:22:43   themselves and they and they sleep on a [TS]

01:22:46   dirt floor but every time they poop [TS]

01:22:49   it feels so amazing every single one of [TS]

01:22:53   their groups is amazing [TS]

01:22:55   which one of those two people would you [TS]

01:22:58   rather be [TS]

01:22:59   mmm [TS]

01:23:00   can I have a third option no those are [TS]

01:23:02   your two options entire lives in a [TS]

01:23:05   graphic and everyone who is amazing [TS]

01:23:08   yeah oh my god oh you're getting I don't [TS]

01:23:11   have an answer to that but you're [TS]

01:23:12   getting to the basic contradiction there [TS]

01:23:14   which is that you know in order to make [TS]

01:23:15   anything a good story we have to pull [TS]

01:23:17   out one thing to contrast if you pull up [TS]

01:23:19   14 things the contrast is not a good [TS]

01:23:21   story anymore and so the stories that we [TS]

01:23:23   tell ourselves about these things are [TS]

01:23:24   about try asking whether somebody is [TS]

01:23:25   rich or whether they're poor whether [TS]

01:23:27   they're good or whether they are bad and [TS]

01:23:28   and the stories about that have any more [TS]

01:23:31   texture to it than that tends to make [TS]

01:23:33   people lose their attention for it [TS]

01:23:35   because it's not it doesn't you know you [TS]

01:23:37   want to either know that the additional [TS]

01:23:39   was really great to her fans or that she [TS]

01:23:40   was a big dick and depending on like [TS]

01:23:42   what your point of view is on that [TS]

01:23:44   you're going to tell a story that's [TS]

01:23:45   where we're going here in a certain way [TS]

01:23:46   it's just really just a bunch of people [TS]

01:23:48   standing around doing stuff and you know [TS]

01:23:51   and I the mud the mud the mud whole [TS]

01:23:53   thing is interesting to me this is [TS]

01:23:55   really overly subtle but it's it's not [TS]

01:23:57   it it's um maybe it's not so far stick [TS]

01:24:01   and leaves down some girl shirt i guess [TS]

01:24:02   but it's it's one thing to think that [TS]

01:24:04   people are different and it's another [TS]

01:24:06   thing to have strong opinions about what [TS]

01:24:08   that difference means to make them [TS]

01:24:11   different because that's when you get [TS]

01:24:13   students pretty subtle well I mean the [TS]

01:24:16   thing is there's certainly first [TS]

01:24:18   personally more to the lives of all the [TS]

01:24:19   people then how they feel on the poop [TS]

01:24:21   although that's a big one for me but [TS]

01:24:23   notice but also but isn't this part of [TS]

01:24:25   the little problem in some ways is to [TS]

01:24:26   look at someone and go oh you are a [TS]

01:24:28   person with dark skin and therefore must [TS]

01:24:29   defend you [TS]

01:24:30   well no I I could be your boss thanks [TS]

01:24:32   but no thanks [TS]

01:24:34   you know I so you know that that person [TS]

01:24:36   is different but if your whole paradigm [TS]

01:24:37   is that essentially that dark people [TS]

01:24:39   need to be defended by me then what that [TS]

01:24:41   difference is i'm not trying to be out [TS]

01:24:43   there a dire but the thing that the [TS]

01:24:45   person that the thing that made that [TS]

01:24:46   person different apparent to you they're [TS]

01:24:48   black and your white and so you've [TS]

01:24:50   decided you've taken it upon yourself [TS]

01:24:52   that you're going to be their protector [TS]

01:24:54   consequently using what you see as the [TS]

01:24:56   difference to not allow them to be [TS]

01:24:58   different in the way that they want to [TS]

01:24:59   be different right [TS]

01:25:01   it's so what I'm trying to say is it's [TS]

01:25:02   one thing to say well you know girls are [TS]

01:25:05   softer than guys you know you know guys [TS]

01:25:09   are taller than girls there are certain [TS]

01:25:12   things [TS]

01:25:12   so that are biologically accurate [TS]

01:25:14   there's a chromosomal difference right [TS]

01:25:17   and if you don't acknowledge that you're [TS]

01:25:18   not a learned person but it's when you [TS]

01:25:21   take that scientific fact and try to [TS]

01:25:22   make it into something that it's not [TS]

01:25:24   that you get real stupid and I think [TS]

01:25:26   that's what happens a lot of white [TS]

01:25:27   people think of a german thing in a [TS]

01:25:29   dinner thing but I think what we do is [TS]

01:25:32   we are constantly looking for [TS]

01:25:33   distinctions as animals to help us stay [TS]

01:25:35   alive and help us thrive and make babies [TS]

01:25:37   and get a meal and we're always looking [TS]

01:25:39   for this versus that you know what I [TS]

01:25:41   mean [TS]

01:25:42   and so that's that's to me where it gets [TS]

01:25:44   complicated [TS]

01:25:45   I mean I think you're right i think [TS]

01:25:46   everybody needs to come back and realize [TS]

01:25:48   you're living in a mud hole every once [TS]

01:25:49   in awhile but you know I think it also [TS]

01:25:51   takes we are evolved enough that I think [TS]

01:25:53   having a certain amount of empathy about [TS]

01:25:55   the about how everybody feels different [TS]

01:25:58   when they poo is a good thing you know [TS]

01:26:00   what I mean it's a trophy [TS]

01:26:02   I just did I I the thing that you can [TS]

01:26:05   little salt the time but at least the [TS]

01:26:09   Conservatives have ground cover and that [TS]

01:26:10   their monkey balls crazy a lot of the [TS]

01:26:12   time the problem is that a lot of a lot [TS]

01:26:14   of my friends like that who are really [TS]

01:26:15   really smart think they've got a lot of [TS]

01:26:17   stuff you know nail down pretty hard and [TS]

01:26:20   you know I don't think they've asked [TS]

01:26:21   around you know a lot of the people who [TS]

01:26:23   are being looked out for and you know [TS]

01:26:25   you don't really need to look too far to [TS]

01:26:26   see real world examples of this you know [TS]

01:26:30   it wasn't too long ago when i was a kid [TS]

01:26:32   that you would look at somebody and you [TS]

01:26:34   would say that persons are but before I [TS]

01:26:37   was born you see that person's a cripple [TS]

01:26:38   the person's a gimp a person is a [TS]

01:26:40   fucking cripple they are crippled and [TS]

01:26:42   then we started saying well know that [TS]

01:26:43   person is not crippled that person is [TS]

01:26:45   handicapped and say well know that [TS]

01:26:47   persons not handicapped that person is [TS]

01:26:49   disabled that person is and so on and so [TS]

01:26:52   and so and you can make me yeah right so [TS]

01:26:54   you can take to the point where it gets [TS]

01:26:55   sillier and sillier in terms of the [TS]

01:26:56   jokes but what it really is it's a [TS]

01:26:58   person we've got fucked up stuff about [TS]

01:27:00   it it's just that this person has a [TS]

01:27:02   wheelchair oh my gosh they have a [TS]

01:27:03   wheelchair that's so sad no it's not sad [TS]

01:27:05   fucking wheelchair helps them get around [TS]

01:27:07   and they're doing great you know it's [TS]

01:27:10   just there's something really inside of [TS]

01:27:12   all of this like looking out for like I [TS]

01:27:14   only the most cracking wise about that [TS]

01:27:16   new joke that new term ablest you're [TS]

01:27:18   being able us about things [TS]

01:27:19   yeah well like you know [TS]

01:27:21   you know if you're if you're if you are [TS]

01:27:24   a person who is an unsighted sighted [TS]

01:27:25   person if you're an uncaring person if [TS]

01:27:27   you have this right here on the spectrum [TS]

01:27:29   of problems right man you have every [TS]

01:27:31   right in the world to stand up i have [TS]

01:27:32   have not a super good friend i have a [TS]

01:27:35   pretty good friend who does constantly [TS]

01:27:37   aware of what it's like to be a blind [TS]

01:27:39   person and you realize how much [TS]

01:27:40   something like an iphone is kind of a [TS]

01:27:41   dick to use if you're a blind person but [TS]

01:27:44   i guess the thing that bugs me is like [TS]

01:27:45   it's you're not really not you but the [TS]

01:27:48   folks that I'm braylon about are not [TS]

01:27:49   it's not that they're really even trying [TS]

01:27:51   to help anybody I try to look good and [TS]

01:27:53   they're trying they're they're out there [TS]

01:27:55   trying to say something that nobody [TS]

01:27:56   could disagree with it helps fucking [TS]

01:27:58   absolutely no one is it it i think what [TS]

01:28:02   what happened was there for all of human [TS]

01:28:05   history the idea that we were that we [TS]

01:28:08   were not animals was an idea that we [TS]

01:28:13   clung to because the evidence that we [TS]

01:28:15   were animals was right over our [TS]

01:28:17   shoulders all the time you know if you [TS]

01:28:20   lived on a farm [TS]

01:28:21   you woke up every morning and put on a [TS]

01:28:23   freshly ironed shirt that was heavily [TS]

01:28:25   starched and a black suit because if you [TS]

01:28:29   if you let that go if you let that slide [TS]

01:28:31   and you started dressing like a slob in [TS]

01:28:34   your sweatpants [TS]

01:28:37   I mean the difference between you and [TS]

01:28:38   your pigs who are living right outside [TS]

01:28:40   your window it was a distinction you had [TS]

01:28:44   a real vested interest in maintaining [TS]

01:28:46   you know your pics are right there and [TS]

01:28:50   the similarities between you and your [TS]

01:28:52   pigs are there for all to see over [TS]

01:28:54   unless you maintain this did this [TS]

01:28:58   separation and we were human [TS]

01:29:02   civilization was built on some big ideas [TS]

01:29:04   that came from the top down like God [TS]

01:29:08   said X and the law says this and the [TS]

01:29:12   King says that and the as time has gone [TS]

01:29:17   on certainly on the liberal and then the [TS]

01:29:19   Conservatives i think in most cases [TS]

01:29:21   still live that way but on the liberal [TS]

01:29:23   side of the equation we don't allow [TS]

01:29:26   ourselves to have big ideas that [TS]

01:29:28   governess anymore and most of the people [TS]

01:29:30   in the world are [TS]

01:29:32   they see a bunch of like somebody blows [TS]

01:29:35   a bunch of bubbles and we're out trying [TS]

01:29:37   to you know trying to pop each bubble [TS]

01:29:40   like each bubble is its own super [TS]

01:29:43   important point that we need to make [TS]

01:29:46   this is a super important level cannot [TS]

01:29:49   be allowed to survive I need to deal [TS]

01:29:50   with this bubble and then i need to do [TS]

01:29:52   with that bubble over there and if you [TS]

01:29:54   if you start to try and talk about big [TS]

01:29:55   ideas governing ideas concepts those are [TS]

01:30:00   we we feel like on the liberal side of [TS]

01:30:03   the of the aisle we feel like [TS]

01:30:06   incorrectly that a lot of those ideas [TS]

01:30:09   are resolved we we know what the deal is [TS]

01:30:11   you know we-we-we-we are the educated [TS]

01:30:14   side of this equation and we know we [TS]

01:30:17   know what the deal is and we have [TS]

01:30:18   rejected God and we have rejected [TS]

01:30:20   Nietzsche and we have rejected uh we [TS]

01:30:23   have rejected the idea of a oligarchy we [TS]

01:30:29   have we have rejected the idea of [TS]

01:30:32   rejected everything except seeing how it [TS]

01:30:34   really is i think i think there's a [TS]

01:30:37   certain sense of like well how gosh even [TS]

01:30:40   as recently as for five years ago there [TS]

01:30:42   were people whose vision was heavily [TS]

01:30:43   occluded and aren't we lucky to be able [TS]

01:30:46   to see as clearly sees that we finally [TS]

01:30:48   why can't everybody have this gift and [TS]

01:30:50   in just in the course of our adult lives [TS]

01:30:53   we have culturally the first thing we [TS]

01:30:56   did was reject all the great books [TS]

01:30:58   because they were written by the wrong [TS]

01:31:00   people and they encoded privilege and so [TS]

01:31:04   we rejected all the world's wisdom and [TS]

01:31:07   we rejected all of them we've certainly [TS]

01:31:09   rejected the idea that there are some [TS]

01:31:11   families that are there there are some [TS]

01:31:14   people who are uh who are better you [TS]

01:31:17   know the people that the Kennedys or [TS]

01:31:19   whatever they're not better [TS]

01:31:21   they're just they have just they had a [TS]

01:31:24   bad unequal opportunity and so we [TS]

01:31:26   rejected that anyone is a natural leader [TS]

01:31:28   that we rejected that any we rejected [TS]

01:31:31   basically any idea that each of us is [TS]

01:31:37   not a kingdom in and of ourselves and [TS]

01:31:41   that each of us is not entitled to rule [TS]

01:31:43   our own Kingdom [TS]

01:31:45   with an iron fist and have everyone [TS]

01:31:47   around us respect the you know respect [TS]

01:31:51   the the autonomy of our principalities [TS]

01:31:54   and not just respect but like like have [TS]

01:31:58   a have reciprocal like trade agreements [TS]

01:32:02   with with people with with our own [TS]

01:32:04   little principalities that you think [TS]

01:32:06   government which one you have an [TS]

01:32:07   acknowledged one another's monarchies [TS]

01:32:09   basically the current one person one [TS]

01:32:11   person monarchy and if you say well [TS]

01:32:13   interesting but uh you know play dough [TS]

01:32:16   covered all of this up like 3,000 years [TS]

01:32:20   ago people like play-doh haha white male [TS]

01:32:23   had enough of your double talk and [TS]

01:32:24   you're just like ba ok so i guess [TS]

01:32:26   basically like I'm try i'm living this [TS]

01:32:30   person over here is living according to [TS]

01:32:31   the Christian Bible and this person over [TS]

01:32:33   here is living according to the tenants [TS]

01:32:36   of my little pony but the two things are [TS]

01:32:39   equal but end and the two things are and [TS]

01:32:43   and the idea that you would suggest that [TS]

01:32:44   the two that the two worldviews are not [TS]

01:32:47   go measure it is a is discriminatory and [TS]

01:32:53   there's nothing worse than that and it's [TS]

01:32:57   unsustainable it is it's it's it it's [TS]

01:33:01   unsustainable it's just really hard to [TS]

01:33:02   see a way that that a lot of stuff gets [TS]

01:33:05   better as long as that's the only really [TS]

01:33:08   culturally acceptable thing to do or to [TS]

01:33:10   be yeah which is why we are starting a [TS]

01:33:16   new reality we're starting a new [TS]

01:33:18   muscular liberalism that that stems from [TS]

01:33:23   a worldview an overarching worldview [TS]

01:33:26   does it have to be muscular what about [TS]

01:33:28   people who are not muscularly abled [TS]

01:33:29   there there are people who will be [TS]

01:33:32   muscular on their behalf [TS]

01:33:33   ooh I'm sorry that's how it's gonna go [TS]

01:33:37   that's how it's gotta work we welcome [TS]

01:33:39   all people as long as who this is but [TS]

01:33:42   they're not fruits as long as they can [TS]

01:33:45   take a punch in the nose [TS]

01:33:46   what [TS]

01:33:47   and that's not to say that that that you [TS]

01:33:50   necessarily are going to get a bunch of [TS]

01:33:51   it's not that you're gonna is that [TS]

01:33:52   you're gonna like it [TS]

01:33:53   you know you make you make it a broken [TS]

01:33:55   nose it's certainly going to hurt but [TS]

01:33:57   you'll probably make it through the the [TS]

01:33:59   thing is that one might be coming your [TS]

01:34:01   way and so if you're right if you're [TS]

01:34:05   ready if you're ready if you're if you [TS]

01:34:07   are able to take a punch in the nose if [TS]

01:34:08   you think you're able to take a punch in [TS]

01:34:10   the nose to have the world run a little [TS]

01:34:13   bit better then you're on board keep a [TS]

01:34:17   small bag packed you know i'm thomas [TS]

01:34:23   dolby did not get a writing credit on [TS]

01:34:25   anything on that record there's so many [TS]

01:34:27   keyboards on that record dude so what [TS]

01:34:30   you tell me like what [TS]

01:34:31   that was his name is a gram milligram [TS]

01:34:35   Lou Gramm mick jones was the one is he [TS]

01:34:37   the guy in the clash there to mick jones [TS]

01:34:40   is one of my flash and one day Hitler [TS]

01:34:44   Hitler would have taken care of that [TS]

01:34:46   that's that's unacceptable [TS]

01:34:47   Lou Gramm all the credits on here its [TS]

01:34:49   grandma Jones Jones and gram gram and [TS]

01:34:51   challenge is not a single person besides [TS]

01:34:52   those two guys that have a writing [TS]

01:34:54   credit on that album anything about it [TS]

01:34:55   Jones wrote all the tunes and then they [TS]

01:34:58   found Graham this is the you know the [TS]

01:35:00   origin story and foreigner who they [TS]

01:35:03   found Graham he was not it's not like [TS]

01:35:04   they grew up together [TS]

01:35:06   I was like a headhunting like they won't [TS]

01:35:09   need a singer [TS]

01:35:10   yeah because Lou Gramm had Lou Gramm was [TS]

01:35:12   the guitar player in a [TS]

01:35:15   uh in a band before foreigner that was [TS]

01:35:19   one of those like you guys are going to [TS]

01:35:21   be huge but but not yet like and he was [TS]

01:35:25   he was writing tunes for other another [TS]

01:35:29   man's daughter this he's American well [TS]

01:35:31   you know what he was in spooky tooth [TS]

01:35:33   spooky tooth and spooky tooth was like [TS]

01:35:38   Sweetwater in that cameron crowe movie [TS]

01:35:40   and they were meant for they were meant [TS]

01:35:42   to be big but they weren't and then [TS]

01:35:44   anyway he writes he writes all these [TS]

01:35:45   tunes and and then they find they find [TS]

01:35:50   Lou Gramm somehow and and then he writes [TS]

01:35:55   he writes some of it is a Christian rock [TS]

01:35:59   guy now who grandma grandma the gram [TS]

01:36:02   gram bono really Luke Graham is a [TS]

01:36:04   Christian rock he's working Petra and i [TS]

01:36:06   don't mean Hayden it was cold as ice [TS]

01:36:09   you're forgetting that record you know [TS]

01:36:11   the sacrifice on the album originally [TS]

01:36:14   titled silent partners for for you [TS]

01:36:17   hypnosis hypnosis we did all those great [TS]

01:36:19   covers all this pink floyd cover is [TS]

01:36:21   always peer-to-peer girl did asked to [TS]

01:36:23   design a cover based on the original [TS]

01:36:25   title of silent partners developed a [TS]

01:36:27   black-and-white image of a young man in [TS]

01:36:28   bed with a pair of binoculars looming [TS]

01:36:30   overhead resulting design was rejected [TS]

01:36:32   by the band as they felt it was [TS]

01:36:33   quote-unquote to homosexual [TS]

01:36:36   oh so as the rest of an English maybe 10 [TS]

01:36:41   different time the other English huh [TS]

01:36:45   thomas dolby wrote the keyboard parts he [TS]

01:36:48   didn't just getting a single goddamn [TS]

01:36:50   credit you know what kind of dough he [TS]

01:36:51   would have today with this cell how many [TS]

01:36:53   records itself [TS]

01:36:54   I you know he i picked 64 million i know [TS]

01:36:58   i just like 6x platinum right right man [TS]

01:37:02   you don't close to apply to me and if [TS]

01:37:04   you put them all together end-to-end no [TS]

01:37:06   no I in fact a hundred thousand records [TS]

01:37:11   is a massive achievement now for any bit [TS]

01:37:18   the only band the only indie rock bands [TS]

01:37:21   that have sold hundred thousand records [TS]

01:37:22   are the Death Cab has had a platinum [TS]

01:37:25   record [TS]

01:37:25   the decemberists have sold more than a [TS]

01:37:28   hundred thousand bony their house just [TS]

01:37:32   my friends sons guys seem to be doing [TS]

01:37:34   pretty well she's asleep sold three [TS]

01:37:36   million records in America let alone in [TS]

01:37:39   Europe their massive but for bands of it [TS]

01:37:41   appears that there are my peers you know [TS]

01:37:44   not a sort of never sold a hundred [TS]

01:37:46   thousand records coming all the fans [TS]

01:37:49   that are living up to their potential [TS]

01:37:50   all of us who are living who all of us [TS]

01:37:53   who actually have arrived at the top of [TS]

01:37:56   their capability that are just fucking [TS]

01:37:59   there and just putting out records that [TS]

01:38:01   sell 20,000 copies and that's it that's [TS]

01:38:03   as good as they were ever meant to be [TS]

01:38:06   that's it buddy 20,000 records you [TS]

01:38:09   should be proud not just proud you [TS]

01:38:13   should use you know you should you [TS]

01:38:15   should wake up every morning and you [TS]

01:38:17   should pick up your kid and kiss her on [TS]

01:38:19   the forehead and say your caddy has done [TS]

01:38:22   the best he could [TS]

01:38:25   you're a real special guy John [TS]