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179: Thief-Based Economy

 

00:00:00   the incomparable number 179 january2014 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/0">TS</a>]

00:00:09   automatic comfortable on your host Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/9">TS</a>]

00:00:11   smell and it's time for us to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/11">TS</a>]

00:00:13   another edition of our book and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/13">TS</a>]

00:00:16   haven't read books and a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/16">TS</a>]

00:00:19   we've been reading books but we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/19">TS</a>]

00:00:20   met and convened there's been no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   convention of book readers on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/22">TS</a>]

00:00:25   podcast in a little while to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   specific books we did our book draft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   where we did our winter but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   picked a bazillion books for you to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   that you're probably still trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   through but we're back to talk about two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   books and specific we are gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   some spoilers will fire out the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42   horn will give you a warning about when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   to skip ahead if you want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47   one of the books and not the other book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48   the two books that we read because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   been so long i wanted to read two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/50">TS</a>]

00:00:51   different books and these are books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   I I've actually been I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55   recommended to me for a while now by our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/55">TS</a>]

00:00:58   panelists and I read them and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/58">TS</a>]

00:00:59   thought hey now that i've read them i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   should get something out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/62">TS</a>]

00:01:03   like podcasts so here we are and Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/63">TS</a>]

00:01:07   McNulty joins us of course as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   because he reads everything hi Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   hello Jason it's good to be here reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/71">TS</a>]

00:01:14   books read books for once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   not only that dungeons dragons with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/76">TS</a>]

00:01:17   Roger brain that's true so that if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/77">TS</a>]

00:01:20   remember correctly this is the this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/80">TS</a>]

00:01:22   podcast where we all individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   silently read books and all you hear is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/84">TS</a>]

00:01:27   the turning of pages yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/87">TS</a>]

00:01:28   ok appreciated chuckle yeah and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/88">TS</a>]

00:01:33   voice you heard his Monte Ashley who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/93">TS</a>]

00:01:34   also joins us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/94">TS</a>]

00:01:35   hello Monty hello hi good to have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38   back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/98">TS</a>]

00:01:39   thank you it's good to be back and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   have read you've read both books correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   i have read each of the two books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   amazing i hope now Dan Moore and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   next and Warren is here sometimes dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   doesn't finish the book we're reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/110">TS</a>]

00:01:51   dan have you read and finished both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   these books book what is what is booked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57   what is what is booked I yeah I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/117">TS</a>]

00:02:00   some books that is possibly they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/120">TS</a>]

00:02:03   they might even these and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/123">TS</a>]

00:02:04   tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/124">TS</a>]

00:02:05   Jason is not amused all right i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   those books what you want yeah i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08   you i want an admission that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/128">TS</a>]

00:02:09   finished you finished the books finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11   I won't get anything out of me cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   yes I finished both books you want me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   that library you need me on that line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   where do I say I wasn't any books with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   the lead pipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/140">TS</a>]

00:02:21   yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/141">TS</a>]

00:02:22   it's true alright with the books we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/142">TS</a>]

00:02:23   talking about the newest episode are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   lies of locke lamora by Scott Lynch it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/146">TS</a>]

00:02:30   a fantasy novel it is the beginning of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   series called the gentleman bastard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   series and yes there's more than one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/154">TS</a>]

00:02:38   we are also going to talk about a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   called ancillary justice by and lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/160">TS</a>]

00:02:43   this was one of Scott's recommendations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   i believe Scott you said this was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/165">TS</a>]

00:02:46   favorite book of 2013 correct it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   certainly was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/169">TS</a>]

00:02:50   wow haha yeah I'd I what I wasn't going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/170">TS</a>]

00:02:55   to say it but it seems like nobody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/175">TS</a>]

00:02:56   agrees with me but so I am now going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/176">TS</a>]

00:03:00   science podcast so for I think stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/180">TS</a>]

00:03:03   recording and say goodbye suckers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05   oh ok so let's start with the lies of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/185">TS</a>]

00:03:08   locke lamora dan you are you have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   recommending this to me and bugging me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   about reading this for so long that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   finally went on sale on amazon and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   gifted me a copy i forget for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   ninety-nine cents or whatever was worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   every penny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/200">TS</a>]

00:03:21   read this well I great it and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/201">TS</a>]

00:03:24   honestly i think i read it in 2007 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/204">TS</a>]

00:03:27   the first time so quite a long time now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   it's been out for a while and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   read the sequel's as they arrived in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/211">TS</a>]

00:03:33   most recent sequel arrived only last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35   fall after many many years between that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38   in the second book and I loved it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/218">TS</a>]

00:03:41   read the same summer i read the patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   rothfuss name of the wind and found them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   very very similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/226">TS</a>]

00:03:47   huh and indeed recently read a tweet by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   Patrick Rothfuss where he said I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   this idea for when locking coat meet in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   a bar was like I think my head just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   exploded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   Wow too much whimsy I I yeah I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   these i have found these different so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   wonder dance you were the guy who bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   me the book could you take us through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   little explanation of what are the lies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   of locke lamora is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   yeah well the last lot more is a fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   book it takes place in the fictional a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   realm of cum more and it basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/254">TS</a>]

00:04:18   follows this crew of thieves name the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/258">TS</a>]

00:04:23   gentlemen bastards and we sort of get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   couple hundred twenty narratives one we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   get the past of the main character or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/267">TS</a>]

00:04:30   the titular locke lamora and how we sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   of grows up and gets taken into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/275">TS</a>]

00:04:35   thieves and eventually becomes their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   leader meanwhile it's intertwined with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/277">TS</a>]

00:04:40   narrative from the present day as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/280">TS</a>]

00:04:41   try to pull off a job and what's notable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/281">TS</a>]

00:04:45   about the thieves and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   struck me even more the second time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48   read through is that what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   is really unheard of in this world which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/290">TS</a>]

00:04:53   is to say they're not just thieves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   though they are good thieves their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/294">TS</a>]

00:04:55   comment and nobody's really developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/295">TS</a>]

00:04:59   this art of the con yet the long con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   and so we follow this long con that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   all these as as many good con stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/304">TS</a>]

00:05:07   and movies and books have various layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/307">TS</a>]

00:05:10   there's lots of people working against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/310">TS</a>]

00:05:13   each other at various points and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   rather terrible things happen later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   in the book but I i have to say i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/317">TS</a>]

00:05:21   love this book is one of my favorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   from the last several years and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   recommend it to many many people anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   really likes fantasy I feel like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/327">TS</a>]

00:05:28   not your typical it's not like high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   fantasy right it's very you know what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/330">TS</a>]

00:05:33   concerned primarily with these guys who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   are the thieves and rogues there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/335">TS</a>]

00:05:38   lot of magic there is some there is yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   it plays a a kind of key role i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   really like the setting which is a he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/342">TS</a>]

00:05:45   sort of Renaissance italy-based there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/345">TS</a>]

00:05:49   a lot of stuff with the a Tiffany was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   built on the ruins of an alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   civilization yet which it was which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/353">TS</a>]

00:05:56   still have some relevance but not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   whole lot of relevance but it's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   whole like there's it's essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   venice right like there's canals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   there's you know people in masks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/364">TS</a>]

00:06:07   things like this and it's got a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   very Renaissance field if the tallest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   buildings were constructed out of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/372">TS</a>]

00:06:13   sort of strange alien obsidian that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   been there thousands have you been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   Venice because simply saying I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/376">TS</a>]

00:06:19   but there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/379">TS</a>]

00:06:20   are you saying there's alien obsidian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/380">TS</a>]

00:06:22   i'm not saying there is alright fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24   enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/384">TS</a>]

00:06:25   so that's that sums it up i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   think so its I heard somebody described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   to me might even you as sort of Ocean's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/389">TS</a>]

00:06:32   eleven in in a fantasy world because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   is a heist it is there's a there's a con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   game at work here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   what it what it reminded the setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   reminded me of the that Woody Allen joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/400">TS</a>]

00:06:43   about how like my big brother beat up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   me and my big sister beat up on my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48   brother might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/408">TS</a>]

00:06:48   parents beat up on us and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/408">TS</a>]

00:06:49   across the hall beat up on them and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   people downstairs beat up on our floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52   and the people the next building get up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   on our building and he built this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   pyramid of people and he's at the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/416">TS</a>]

00:06:57   of it getting beat up and this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   that cause there's like the the low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   thieves and then the the higher thieves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   robbed from the lower thieves in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   higher thieves robbed and it's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/425">TS</a>]

00:07:06   whole you get the sense this whole city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   is entirely it's like a thief based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/428">TS</a>]

00:07:11   economy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/431">TS</a>]

00:07:12   yeah and these guys are trouble because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   they're like the there they're like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17   thief's thieves of thieves there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   break the rules write the rules are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/440">TS</a>]

00:07:23   they've made the sort of head you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   Godfather like figure of the underworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   has made this deal where the thieves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/447">TS</a>]

00:07:30   don't steal from the nobles essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/450">TS</a>]

00:07:33   and so right they're protected right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   there's a secret peace between them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   so lock in his crew are secretly going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   behind the backs of their of the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   the thieves and and ripping off nobles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   using these con games and so they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48   playing this very difficult this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   risky game and it may come back to bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53   them in the ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/473">TS</a>]

00:07:54   the only way to win that game is not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   play more to play it really well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   posting this is the wrong lesson to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   you'll be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   yes you can win it by winning that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   another way to win the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   traditional little-known fact about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   game you take a risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   somebody will come into your lair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   kill everybody oh did I spoil something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   there's lots of people died in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   lots of characters are horribly horribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/498">TS</a>]

00:08:18   sometimes you have to sacrifice some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   ponds to do something i don't i don't so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/500">TS</a>]

00:08:24   I without without blowing I mean I gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/504">TS</a>]

00:08:27   a little that was a little miners we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/507">TS</a>]

00:08:28   want some people thought little miners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   both know i think you can read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   and you wouldn't know you're not like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/512">TS</a>]

00:08:33   I'm gonna wait for people to die o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/513">TS</a>]

00:08:34   people died of more people that lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   people died in the book it's just people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37   it happens there's lots of murder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   and it is think everything you need in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   the george RR martin school of there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/521">TS</a>]

00:08:44   very few people who are sacred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   yeah exactly right exactly right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   here's here's the thing that got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   about this book structurally and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   right at the beginning so i'm not i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53   not skipping ahead too much to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   found its structure really weird because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   there's this whole prologue that goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/537">TS</a>]

00:09:00   seemingly forever and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   reads like you're reading the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/542">TS</a>]

00:09:03   of a novel about this child who is taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   in by this by this kind of Sagan asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/546">TS</a>]

00:09:10   just like it always say it's the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   orphans come to this underground lair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   where they learned steel and they and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   there's again a chain of who beats up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   who and who takes whose money that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/558">TS</a>]

00:09:21   stolen all of that and this goes on for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   I you know it seems like a long time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   seems like 50 pages 70 pages i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   know how long it was and I get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   end of it and I thought oh ok well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/569">TS</a>]

00:09:30   this was a little long and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   little slow but i'm intrigued about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   happens next to this little kid and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   turn the page and it says chapter one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   and I go what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   wait that was still the prologue yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   that was still the prologue and chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   one begins and it's a totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46   timeframe and it's these it's these kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/586">TS</a>]

00:09:49   of wise guy crooks who are working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   scheme and I'm thinking to myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   has there been an error have I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   stroke as my kindle rebooted what has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/596">TS</a>]

00:09:59   what just happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00   and in the end we discovered that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/600">TS</a>]

00:10:01   there is this it's not entirely the a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/601">TS</a>]

00:10:04   plot in the B plot because it does drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06   off sort of after all that there's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/606">TS</a>]

00:10:09   flashbacks to explain things in the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/609">TS</a>]

00:10:10   but it kind of keeps accelerating but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   goes for a while and I kept thinking I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   it I guess what I'm saying is it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   frustrated me because I felt like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   was sort of it was slowing things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   at a point where I wasn't being kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   the good kind of tormented of like no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/622">TS</a>]

00:10:24   I want to find out what happens next it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/624">TS</a>]

00:10:25   was more like Oh more of this now okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/625">TS</a>]

00:10:28   and it picked up eventually but it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/628">TS</a>]

00:10:32   thought this was a really slow starter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   and I i really struggled for its through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/633">TS</a>]

00:10:36   through the beginning of chapter one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   I could say that because it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/638">TS</a>]

00:10:39   long to get there so I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   strange I thought it was a strange way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/641">TS</a>]

00:10:43   to start it is a little it is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   uh unconventional and i agree there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   lot of that it was different for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   because i was reading for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   recently for the second time I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/651">TS</a>]

00:10:52   tell you how much I what I thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   first time that was many years ago but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   this time around knowing what was coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   I was like all right I'm filling in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   backstory and remembering all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   things about his childhood but it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/661">TS</a>]

00:11:04   also knowing that that wasn't the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/664">TS</a>]

00:11:05   thrust of the plot and I think even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   Scotland has said himself that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   yeah if you would go back he would do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   differently but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   yeah too late but it is well dan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   brought in your past self from 2007-12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   to join us now to tell us what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   no sorry i really like oh boy i had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/680">TS</a>]

00:11:25   quit smoking at that point you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   unfortunately wow did the end 2007 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   sounded like sort of a high voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   confused Scott McNulty was strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   it's very weird iris drive it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   hard to lose that accent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/696">TS</a>]

00:11:37   Monty what did you what it what did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   think of the lies of locke lamora um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/699">TS</a>]

00:11:43   enjoyed it enormously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/703">TS</a>]

00:11:44   I don't know if I think it's a good book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   or a bad book but I really really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   the character of lock so much that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/709">TS</a>]

00:11:53   carries me through almost any do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   amount of gratuitous murder of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/715">TS</a>]

00:11:59   there is quite a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/719">TS</a>]

00:12:00   yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/720">TS</a>]

00:12:05   like I really like that lock is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08   consistently drawn he's got his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/728">TS</a>]

00:12:10   superpower which i can say because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   the title of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   he's a very good liar yes and at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/734">TS</a>]

00:12:18   point in order to get out of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   situation has gotten himself in he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/740">TS</a>]

00:12:23   will probably get out by being a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   good liar and I appreciate that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   consistency in a book that lets say he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/747">TS</a>]

00:12:31   in a swordfight he's not necessarily be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   greatest sword fighter that sword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   fighting plus lying will result in him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   winning i enjoy lock so much that well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/757">TS</a>]

00:12:41   want to say i would watch him do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/761">TS</a>]

00:12:42   anything but i never got around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   reading the later books in the series so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   that was strictly true you don't love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   him that much but presented with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   doing something I enjoy I enjoy watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/771">TS</a>]

00:12:54   it happen when he's got his little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/774">TS</a>]

00:12:55   friends he's got a little gang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   well I mean so you've got his mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/777">TS</a>]

00:12:58   like it's like watching a buddy cop show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/778">TS</a>]

00:13:02   to a certain extent right because you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/782">TS</a>]

00:13:03   got you've also got gene tannin who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   the other sort of Maine ish character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   and the two of them have a report that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   is very reminiscent of you know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12   character driven procedural shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   yeah and my favorite classic fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   series is factored in the gray Mouser by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/797">TS</a>]

00:13:20   fitz labor so I like seeing sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   their descendants in the dnd thief class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/803">TS</a>]

00:13:27   rep sticking around got worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   you what do you think of of the LifeLock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/810">TS</a>]

00:13:33   Maura [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34   well i thought that i had read this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   years ago and I just looked at my list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   of books that I read last year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   apparently i read in march so who do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   don't think it really has no bearing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   if I like the book or not I didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   the book it was the first 1i thought so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/827">TS</a>]

00:13:51   there are three so far in the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   the first one is the strongest the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   second one is the weakest and the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   point i think is the second-strongest so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/839">TS</a>]

00:14:02   I think he does a good job of creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   these characters like everyone said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05   putting them into interesting situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   i don't know if it adds up to much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/847">TS</a>]

00:14:10   overall but I thought it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   enjoyable read and I did get find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/852">TS</a>]

00:14:16   annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/856">TS</a>]

00:14:17   the i read the wikipedia entry and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/857">TS</a>]

00:14:20   list the characters in the book and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/860">TS</a>]

00:14:24   the the last person they list is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   Sabitha right doesn't appear in this not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   haha yes which i found it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   like served not appearing in this film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/872">TS</a>]

00:14:34   often mentioned never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37   I in fact me not seen in either of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   first two books it's true and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/880">TS</a>]

00:14:42   time she was here she she is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   major character in the third book but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/884">TS</a>]

00:14:45   does take a long time to see her I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   you sort of get an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/887">TS</a>]

00:14:48   she's a character drawn by her absence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   like there's a guy I always pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   its abbas Sabbath I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/892">TS</a>]

00:14:55   there's H a hole in her shape that runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/895">TS</a>]

00:14:58   through the entire narrative that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   talk a lot up yeah about water and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/900">TS</a>]

00:15:03   you realize in the third book that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   because she is a integral integral part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   especially of locks life but it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/908">TS</a>]

00:15:11   an interesting take on not having such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/911">TS</a>]

00:15:15   an integral character in you know after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   doing you know a thousand pages about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/919">TS</a>]

00:15:19   yeah it's a strange decision alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   time for a break to talk about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/921">TS</a>]

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00:17:24   book picked up when the the scheme was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1044">TS</a>]

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00:17:32   was gonna say that's almost a godfather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:34   like it is a godfather like thing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:36   is the head of organized crime he hears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   a godfather there there's a cosmic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   there's a plot against the Godfather @ @ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1060">TS</a>]

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00:17:45   the the grey King freaky and and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:51   there is this whole sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   Godfather like a bloody set of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:55   horrible things that happened murders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1075">TS</a>]

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00:18:11   is more concerned with killing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   person who did wrong or are you more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   heroic person who will make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1096">TS</a>]

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00:18:21   thing in the entire book is there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   great uh doubletwist basically where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:28   are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:29   uh we're we're seeing lock doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   put-on and and realizing that he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:35   he's put a fake story inside another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   fake story that that he that he actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   lets the people he's conning know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:43   they're being calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:44   and in order to set up a second con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   which then there's another party that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1126">TS</a>]

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00:18:53   within cons that was really that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:56   really very funny using his powers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   disguise and he's lying he's literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00   telling a story to somebody and dressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   up in another costume breaking into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:03   their house and telling them a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   story okay just don't trust that guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07   that was that was really that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1147">TS</a>]

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00:19:16   thought were interesting there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:17   little hand waving there's a there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   ship that's parked in the harbor that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1160">TS</a>]

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00:19:33   this idea of where lochmoor came from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36   that he took a lot of time to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1176">TS</a>]

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00:19:42   when we switch time frames in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1182">TS</a>]

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00:19:47   boat and all this stuff I'm like who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1187">TS</a>]

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00:19:53   really wanna die I will I was losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   patience with the book so i'm glad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   stuck with it but it really it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   rough start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1199">TS</a>]

00:19:59   i'd say i don't think the finale was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1199">TS</a>]

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00:20:29   a lot of punches and eventually his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   buddy who is a serious bruiser shows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1231">TS</a>]

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00:20:37   really good at some things but he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38   good at everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1238">TS</a>]

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00:21:19   skyscraper thingies where there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:22   there's a good bit with an elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   he jumps on the upside an elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1284">TS</a>]

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00:21:29   favorite little set-pieces is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   story told in sort of you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:34   passing which is about the Godfather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1294">TS</a>]

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00:21:38   at one point because he has this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   where he puts he has this really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   rug and he keeps having people come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1302">TS</a>]

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00:21:48   and put it away and so you might like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1308">TS</a>]

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00:21:51   years and then the other crime bosses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   come in one day and there although we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   busy all the rugs there you won't ruin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:56   the rock and then kill software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   development throws out the rug and i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1318">TS</a>]

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00:22:02   a clever you know conceit in something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   that somebody who is a crime boss in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   particularly brutal would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1326">TS</a>]

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00:22:13   you are when you're making an omelet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   gotta break a few rugs ties the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1337">TS</a>]

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00:22:27   been a kind of stereotypical trubbish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:33   you know spymaster character and instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:36   it turns out to be someone who is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   entirely who you suspect the end of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   was very strange that was that was part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   of the ending that I that maybe this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   part of what money was getting to at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   very end it's sort of like well now i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   going to retire a spymaster and you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   sort of random characters that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   really seem qualified to be this at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   this at the most important job in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:55   entire country you will be the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   spymasters goodbye and I thought wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   but those they kind of suck why would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   you what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   come on is this a con is this some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:07   of con they were the best that can more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   heads off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:10   that's pretty sad it is pretty sad they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   keep getting ripped off their the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   people who actually got like seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:16   con so you know they have experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   that I guess that that seemed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:22   seemed all too law of economy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   characters for me that it was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   you're nearby you be this new thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29   goodbye and that didn't that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   really make a lot of sense for me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   all in all I mean I liked it i did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:34   curse your name Dan after i finished it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:37   probably good my actually was like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   that's nice thanks Dan for buying me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41   book and make me make me read it so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43   would have been sad if you didn't like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:44   I it is it remains one of my favorites i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   enjoyed reading it immensely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   so secret sequels what we mentioned this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:51   uh we mentioned this before where Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   told us the second one was bad and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:55   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:55   therefore by the process of elimination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:56   the third would be the second best is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59   lot of people apparently didn't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   third and I was even seeing some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02   in the chat room say that i enjoyed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   third and part of that has to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   the fact that sabita is a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:07   character in it i'm just gonna pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   her name that wakes that's how I saved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:10   my head and I like the rapport between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:13   her and lock it does so come a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   bit too too much of the you know i kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:20   will they won't they sort of scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   they also clearly have a lot of history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   there is also a again they do this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   of thing where they have a a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29   second thread that tells a story from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:32   when they are young girl yeah that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   sort of goes along at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36   which is also in and of itself kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   cool con set up but yeah i agree it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:42   got the second one is the weakest though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   it has some necessary things in it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   far as the plot goes in the development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   of those characters go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:49   yeah if you want to read these books I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   would not suggest skipping not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   prepared to be disappointed you would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:56   very surprised at the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   third book is lowering the bar here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   what we're doing well I mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   still some great stuff and there's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:02   character moments and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:03   what draws me through it even when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   plots I feel like art as strong the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   relationship between lock and gene is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   sort of the bedrock on which these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   stories are built and that remains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   pretty solid in my opinion so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:17   that's kind of the thread that keeps me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   going through it is the relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   between those two characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   yeah I like Jean as a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23   I think I like him more than I like lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   and you don't like miles either so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   kind of jobs true i like lock more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:31   like miles though so if I'm ranking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   gene and Ivan right i do like I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   more than I like a miles and block screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:40   lock is a you know he is he's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:44   mysterious figure whereas gene you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47   the sense when we know jeans story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:50   we know where he's coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:51   in a way that we don't really from lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   and you know that that's the jeans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   advantage again he's a known entity he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:58   he's a stalwart companion kind of the-- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:02   Friar Tuck I supposed to Robin Hood a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:05   fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:06   not as mercurial but you know like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   saying more of a steady steady guiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:10   influence might be like we know lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   pretty well here's a guy who lies all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   the time and makes things way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   complicated than he has to know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   true that is true is all about style as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   long as it's consistent i'm buying with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   that that's one of the things that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   story like this where you got this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:25   of roguish hero who is kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   he's he's a hero but he is also roguish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   right one of the things that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   about it is that he he is he pushes it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:36   little too far sometimes because he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   can't help himself and that's that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   know it's fun to see that to see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:41   like well let's try this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   oh that didn't work right and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:45   good that's what part of the enjoyment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:46   of it it's that uh yeah he's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   bit of a scoundrel and in some in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   cases and I writing by the seat of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:53   yeah yeah you know it's gonna get him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   into trouble one day but you just gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   let him do it because you love him so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58   much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1618">TS</a>]

00:26:59   you know that's just it he's a lovable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   scamp he is that is a little bit someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   and that someone in the chat room is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:05   saying that the sequels are on the level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   of the matrix sequels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:08   yes i'm going to disagree with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   sickness right that's kinda harsh a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   person AF Waller really did not like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:16   see ya or really like the matrix sequels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   mr. let's don't let's not discount that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:23   unlikely but possible possibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:27   so my question for you guys then is a 44 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   Dana and Scott have read the other books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:32   should i go down that path or should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35   mmm it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36   a path fraught with peril if you like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:40   you came out on balance positive on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   first book I feel like their stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   enjoy this equals well it depends on why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   you read books right if you are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:50   they're like 2,000 words are the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   thousand pages more of these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   yeah I know yes I read books to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   things and get tips about medieval and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:00   and magical cons oh then well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:03   please we've got some books whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   have at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06   alright well i think that the these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   very character-driven and if you enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   the characters of lock and gene then by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:13   all means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:14   alright looks if you are more interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   in a plot that perhaps makes sense maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:20   not fair enough why I will say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   given everything you've said about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:23   second book in the series it the bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   said rather low my expectations are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   set so high if i do better and i'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   like alright let's see how bad this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   and then maybe i'll be surprised Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   how do you feel about boats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:35   I'm great at boats you're right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   excellent excellent then the second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   let me tell you you'll be all for that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   what he wants a lot of boats i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   interested in the comings and goings of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   various boats there's a lot of nautical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   intrigue interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   ok we should move on but that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:51   lies of locke lamora by Scott Lynch it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   available everywhere I wouldn't wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   around for Dan morning to buy you a copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   because i think it's alright he only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   does that for for me stingy maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:04   some of our other fine panelists didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   buy me a copy or or I'm assuming you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:09   didn't buy montia copy either it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   you guys already read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:12   well yeah probably how convenient for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:15   you yeah look at that monkey dad lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   Dan that's what they call me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   alright time to take a brief break so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1759">TS</a>]

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00:29:48   taking some courses on lynda.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   told you about some of them in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1790">TS</a>]

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00:29:58   what the heck I've been doing and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1798">TS</a>]

00:29:59   I've been doing wrong to be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   interesting they've got lots of courses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:02   about recording audio about compression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:05   and noise gates and expanders and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   that I just don't know anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   and i use them in preset ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:14   smarter people than me have told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   about and now I can start to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   it because i'm looking at those courses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20   on lynda.com same about logic which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   use to edit the podcast lynda.com has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:25   huge amounts of logic material but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   doesn't stop there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:28   they've got other audio programs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1828">TS</a>]

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00:30:38   development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1838">TS</a>]

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00:30:41   iCloud I work aperture the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:45   creative suite ipad tips and tricks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:48   name it you can learn about it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   lynda.com like I said that people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   teach these courses are the experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1854">TS</a>]

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00:31:00   and now they're going to teach you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1860">TS</a>]

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00:31:07   learn these skills and it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1867">TS</a>]

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00:31:11   from my short time using lynda.com and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   the courses are really well structured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   you can learn from start to finish you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17   can jump to a particular chapter there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   a text transcript really well done you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:22   can get a free trial and access the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1882">TS</a>]

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00:31:27   trial you go to linda.com ly nba.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   slash incomparable that's lynda.com / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:35   and comparable and thanks so much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:36   linda.com for teaching me to be a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39   audio editor and for sponsoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   incomparable alright let's move on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   talk about ancillary justice which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:46   more recent book because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:47   published last year and Scott really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   loved it and lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   Scott you you describe this in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:55   previous episode briefly but i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:56   wondering if you could do us the favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:57   again I was struck by it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:01   a little bit like I've only read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   couple in banks culture novels but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   felt a little bit like that it seemed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   get to have a very similar kind of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   in that in that space opera with a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   you know human ish but yet very alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:16   culture at the center of it yes it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:20   quite Banksy and I suppose systems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   work it is now unfortunately it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   like the street artist banksy so banks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   you know that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28   whoa that is not what i got from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31   look like your local uh safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   savings-and-loan it's that it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   much like a local bank that's right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:40   that I it was very interested it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:44   little banging anybody know right anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:47   perhaps you should have saved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:50   I'm going to assess you a fee for bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51   joke oh so yes this was it is it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:57   kind of a a modern in the vein of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   modern space opera right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:01   it involves this character named brick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04   who is we should we should fire off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:08   spoiler horn and then inserted retro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   actively before spot Scott explained all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:14   of those things about the river ranch so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   let's fire off the spoiler horn now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:20   ancillary justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:26   well it's hard to describe right soso in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   breck is one facet of an artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:32   intelligence that ran a ship that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:36   something happened to it we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   in the beginning of the novel what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   going on with brick and breakfast part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:41   of an alien race that doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   have a concept of gender & bread also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:46   doesn't really have a car isn't totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:49   comfortable being an individual which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:52   makes it an interesting viewpoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   character because you you've got gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   confusion and a protagonist that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:59   quite certain of its own individuality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   which is an interesting combination and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:05   so a brac spent most of its time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:09   about a thousand years being this part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   of this multifaceted intelligence that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   ran the ship the Justice of Toren the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   Justice of Toren that's right and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:19   know go about doing things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:22   conquering planets and the way that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24   society propagates itself is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27   much like the Roman Empire it captured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   conquering its neighbors and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   manufacture soldiers they would take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:36   corpses of the Concord worlds and store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:40   them in their ships why i think yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   technically they would make them corpses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:45   well the street and then they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:46   store the corpse it's not taking me not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:49   taking pre existing courses because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   would be parented process that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:55   involves killing the native population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   it's a little like plan9 now that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:00   think about it and then the these bodies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:06   are stored on the ship and the ship can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   insert some sort of technology that then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11   takes over the bodies in those bodies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   than house different facets of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   intelligence but they are all kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:19   one hole yet separate beings kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:23   like the Holy Trinity you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:24   completely different spaceship ok this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:28   podcast is now blasphemy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:29   so thanks Scott thanks like doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:32   Pope is just condemned our podcast good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   the Pope is a Jesuit he's cool with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   alright fair enough he prefers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38   sparrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   it has probably well maybe not depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   well yeah you're right you're right all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   right so anyway this character brake is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:50   on a quest to find a gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:53   we're not sure why until it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   clear that he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   well she is wants to kill the ruler of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   his civilization the lord of the radish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:03   against radish and we find out that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   Lord of radish is in fact not one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:09   but I has hundreds of our maybe 200,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:13   tens of thousands of bodies that are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   connected in some way and unbeknownst to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   us the lord of the ranch who apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   is a you know driving force of society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   and who everyone thinks of as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:28   sacrosanct person is in fact splintering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:32   within itself and fighting an internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   civil war amongst its own bodies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   using the various ships against itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:40   so that the little one version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   Lord of radish would visit a ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   then erase the fact that it was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   and then another version would come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   erase the version that was already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   it gets a little confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   yep that was a very very like wide he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:56   go crazy in 2001 it's that it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   conflicting orders and that's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   what happens in an ancillary justice is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:03   there's the leader of this Empire but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   the leader itself is it issuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:10   conflicting orders because it's at war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   with itself and this is freaking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   these artificial intelligences on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   ship's I thought that was really clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   I at the same time I was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   confused because the only other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   quote unquote that we saw with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   multibody things for ships as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:28   the Emperor who is also was a presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31   all of those are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   yes it's a little weird because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:36   not quite analogous in that like one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39   clearly corpses of this like of like AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   whereas one is a person's consciousness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   spread over many bodies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   it's a hard book to summarize i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   yes a great a great immune to add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:50   certain level it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:51   straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:52   a breakfast it was seeking vengeance but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:56   against a tyrant basically but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:59   explaining i think it's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:00   nuanced than that and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   going on beyond well it's do once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05   yet on another level III get the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:08   that breck isn't quite sure what exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:12   she's gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   she sort of like well we get the gun the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   gun can can can make some trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   I'm gonna make some trouble and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   see how much trouble I can make before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:22   they better have to kill but she also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   knows she can't kill the Emperor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   going from Lord of the radch cuz ya ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   Ave because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   he/she has many bodies and thus it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34   impossible free for want to kill all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   them and there's a point towards the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   of the book were breakeven says I then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   realized that my whole plan was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:42   impossible but yeah it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   who well thanks well also what's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:49   about the Civil War is that and I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   of actually dug this in which was which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   side is the right side and it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   neither of the right like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:00   there's one that might be slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:01   beneficial to breakfast continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   existence right and there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:06   philosophical differences there but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:08   the same time she's kind of trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11   kill all of them all the it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   there's a good one a bad one it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   like this politics because they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   the ratch Empire is and i called at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   ranch I don't know that works for me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   it's it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   they're not very nice they're there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   bake conquer these planets and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28   all these terrible things actually one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:29   of things i really appreciate about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   book is that we don't you know in i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:34   would i would say like 50 sci-fi you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   could have a story like this about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   hive mind made up of bodies and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   wouldn't worry about who these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   these people were before well we took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44   dead bodies and we and we made them into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   people and and the plot of ancillary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   justice pivots on the mistreatment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:54   the people by the Empire and a and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:57   massacre and so it's not they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:01   steer away at all from the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   horrific society that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   that causes this scenario to exist it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:09   part of the story i really like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:12   and instead what we get with the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   warring factions within the Emperor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   which is you know is that that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   ego and super-ego or whatever its except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   spread out on all these bodies it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   of interesting the internal conflict of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   the Emperor is no external but what's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:26   the end politically what the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   is is that they they ran into this alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   race and the alien race looked at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   and said while you're really two things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   right it's like you were the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   interesting species that we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39   actually consider sentient so we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   going to completely destroy you but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   you are really bad and we are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:46   do bad things to you if you don't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:48   and one of the one part of the Emperor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:51   wants to say screw those guys and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:54   other one set is the one who said all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   right I guess we're gonna have to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   expanding our Empire and just sit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   and not conquer even any other kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   human cultures or just gonna sit it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:06   and then they have this fight and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:07   an interesting thing because i'm not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:08   that way you kind of rooting for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   aliens who have said stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   you guys are are bad you need to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:13   this right well and there's all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   other like little plots of you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   in retrospect are clues that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22   make up this Civil War right because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   get these flashbacks to that so part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:28   it is the flashbacks to that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   occupation annexation whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   to call it and we actually see brac as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:35   ship at that point experiencing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   whole annexation and that sort of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   one of the tipping points but we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   have these couple pivotal events they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   talk about it was the emai where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46   like a governor who's going like corrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   and is doing things behind people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   backs and it turns out maybe that plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   into the Civil War and then there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   the whole incident with the gun itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:58   and where it came from which was to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   the aliens I think they provide it to ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:04   other group that's literally gun-running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   that's happening in the background here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07   which is we're not like invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:08   gun-running though that's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:11   yes invisible armor piercing shield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:14   piercing gun running one of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   in the chat room pointed out something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:17   that's very nice we just you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:18   could argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:19   since one of the Emperor's is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   basically on the side of not conquering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   all these planets and killing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   people to use as Corp soldiers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   other one is in favor of that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   could be you could probably lean to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   side I think what we're saying is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   that that neither of them was without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:34   sin here there one may be worse than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:37   other strand but they do they make they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   make they make a clear point though that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   the the the normal radish troops are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:46   much worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:47   yes the court executives right and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   they caused many more massacres the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   so I mean not that I'm pro-corporate i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:54   mean just see it's martin admit McNulty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   if you don't want corpse troops then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:59   your door hinges are going to be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:00   gunky that's right that in that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:03   ends up being a problem I i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   didn't find either those care either the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   factions particularly cut and cut and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:10   dried when it came to that I mean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   and that's interesting in some ways it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   probably better than if there was simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   black and white but at the same time III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   felt like the differences and we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:21   exactly subtle but like I had to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   know wait is this okay so this guy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   talking about this but we also talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:26   about why that was good you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:27   having the ancillary is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   humans in some places so like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:30   trying to balance that and i think it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   ends up being icon with breakfast just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:33   kill them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   yeah my god started having these dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:37   these people we've killed brought back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   as a slave bodies for the only obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   that is not good but our hero is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:45   ostensibly one of those to which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   which makes it somewhat you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   entertainment and remembers having all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   these ancillary zand being really happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   so yeah this is the suggestiveness this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:56   is the richness of this of this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   that we've got this high-level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2638">TS</a>]

00:43:59   background that the story is told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:02   against which is as as broad widescreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05   space operas you get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   Oh an alien or human Empire an alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:11   Empire and the taking over planets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   converting dead bodies into ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:16   ancillary and all of that and yet it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:19   then inside that we've got this struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   of identity with brac who is you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:24   haven't even talked very much about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   is a hive mind that we're one of the B's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:29   you know and all the bees are human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   intelligence their people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:32   then one of them gets cut off from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   the others so they are the they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:37   impression of the hive mind and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   have been thinking of themselves as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:40   hive mind all along and now all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:43   sudden break is a person and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   fascinating is break even has a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   time thinking of herself as a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   she's a ship that happens to be in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:52   ancillary when in fact she is what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   would call a person and that's a fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   that's fascinating to me that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   there's this real struggle on this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:01   character who starts out your custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:02   sort of kind of wandering and depressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05   and and because she's lost have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:08   everything she's lost most of herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   and that and she is this last echo of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   almost like a ghost an echo of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   creature that doesn't exist anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   yeah to break Rex name is justice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20   Toren because that was the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:21   ship that wreck was the AI of it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   even that it's justice of Toren and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   was the one ask one ask one asks 17 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:30   something like that 19 yeah I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   a one of this huge thing and that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35   that's left is one asked night which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:36   why I thought the whole concept which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:39   made this book just a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42   to me which is you know why it was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   favorite book of the year because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   thought there were so many layers to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:47   and it took kind of a familiar story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:52   gave it a very interesting in new twist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   and spin to it and plus I think she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   good writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57   I could have done with fewer layers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:00   well I can get murky I felt the book had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:03   too many ideas like the ongoing thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:06   about how wreck doesn't know what gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:09   people are that meant nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   yep and just got in the way you got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   was like a negative means use the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   that like because and I and I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   if you're making a point about like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   know in the future gender doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:21   if you're in like you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   totally cool I'm all on board with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   but the fact that it was used in such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   place where it's like I can't picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:28   these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:29   yeah because I don't know if it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   maybe I should not be bound by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   constructs of gender but guess what I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   because I live in the 21st century and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   that we still do things that would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   for yourself if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:39   Australia gender this is a great idea if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42   you're going to tell story that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:43   about gender really i mean it is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   identity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:46   way but it's not really about gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:47   identity yeah it's a strange choice I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:50   was struck early on they flee out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:53   this town and go and their their ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   crashes and there in the snow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:58   they're walking to get in this super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2818">TS</a>]

00:46:59   cold planet and walking to get to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   place and I was really reminded of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   left hand of darkness which is which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   owe my memory of that book is it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   a it's very cold whole book it's a cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:12   cold thing and that was a book that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   about gender and gender identity and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   it would make sense for a book like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   this book is not I just I felt not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:22   that and she had a really clever idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   and it is clever and there's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   funny moment where this this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   she's been toting around referring to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   a her all along you realize is a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32   because she's like uses the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   language and you're like oh male ok that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:38   yeah methanation way but is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   I but i don't know that that's true yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   and like someone uses it but in the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:45   whole point is in the radical language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:46   they don't have any Gentile buddy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   but she translated remembers oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   using this language so i need to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:51   that it that that it's mail that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   mail and and so you get that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:56   only in these times of the crack shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:58   and it's you know it's interesting to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   to see through the little crack in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   language to to the gender but in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   was it really necessary for this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   yeah I don't think so i'd say i'd save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   that for a book that really has things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   to say about gender i highlighted it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   page 161 409 thirty-nine percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   way through the book it is clear as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:19   Brett talks to stricken thats a garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   is male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   yes guys as soon as the scenes / Brett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   goes back to calling some part in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:25   because breakfast in terms of of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:28   ratch generalist language and i expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:32   in a sequel it will be made clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:35   say pardon is in love with brick but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:36   don't see why we need the gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   confusion to conceal their brakes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:41   gonna notice anyway and we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42   what gender break is and i love I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   of assume female but again that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:46   the she is the word that's used all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49   female pronouns are used throughout I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   thought that was clever but it was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   the point of a yet the confusion of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:56   made it made it harder for you took me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   out of the story because it Danny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   trying to picture a character in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:01   I just wasn't sure what to picture I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:04   a hard time getting a drawn character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05   and that's just the way i read it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   you know image that I have that imagery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   in my head so it made it difficult for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12   me and i agree with you Jason if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:13   something that was really central to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   point of the book i think it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   really interesting but in this book it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:18   just took me out of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   well i think it was central not doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   specifically the gender like you I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   think this book is making a big point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   about gender but it is making a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   point about identity and alien this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:33   how brick as a character is unsure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:36   itself and what it is and then as as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:39   readers this uncertainty about gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   kind of puts us in it confuses us it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   makes it a little more difficult and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   frustrating to read yes but it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   lets you sympathize with Brett because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   break is going through this on a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   larger scale but it didn't make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:52   sympathize with bracket made me wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   if brick was even for an AI out of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:57   computer stupid because there was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/2997">TS</a>]

00:50:01   when Brett could read save gardens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   heartbeat breakfast should know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   everything about say Varden's physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09   form and breck has had what was it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:13   12 years walking among people right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:17   not that hard to learn the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   between a male and a female body i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:21   cover it in a couple of sentences time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:23   said I think I think her point is is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   that they don't know it's that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27   matter culturally they considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29   irrelevant and that language it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:31   old i'm going to bring it bring out some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   UCSD comm major you know Monty it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   old sapir-whorf hypothesis that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   language defines a the defiance culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40   and the way we think and so the idea i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   mean that's the idea is they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   concept of gender it's not the gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45   isn't there and they know that when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   when when a male she and a female she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50   loved each other very much they can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   a baby she but um it but that uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:56   idea is that they just don't think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57   those terms and so brac doesn't think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   those terms i i i agree though I I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:02   don't think it I i I'd I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:03   those issues are the issues of identity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   that the book is about I think all it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   does is it does add to the confusion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   makes us kind of confused like brac but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   i think it's a neat idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:13   this that book has a bunch of ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   think this one could have been taken out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:18   and i would have liked the look more i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   also would have preferred to have fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   wacky alien spellings because i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:26   necessarily picture the people while I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   reading a book read you try to pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:29   the words in my head and what I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   deal with the red chai and there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:34   that was a joke that was I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   her or was a really funny joke i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   always amused by that the early were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   like six ours that's the desert name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   yeah that's there because when you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   to them to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:45   ok my my other issues that sort of held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:49   me up in this book from really loving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   was having at the characterization I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:54   found tough at times in terms of you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:57   have likable characters and unlikable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   characters and I thought most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   characters in this book were unlikable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   or I did not like them i should say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:06   guess get some garden is at least for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:10   the first half of the book is made to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:11   extremely unpleasant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:13   oh yeah and I in fact as the i will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:17   as the book concluded i felt more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   sympathy towards the Varden than any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   the other characters it's I need a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   to a certain extent but the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:26   breakfast seems and I having that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   identity confusion almost makes break a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   blank page right and so there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:34   moments where you get to see that kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:38   the character of bread do interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:39   things I thought the scene with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:42   you know that's sort of the selfless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   moment where she realizes that part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   going to fall and so jumps off a bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   to save some garden and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:51   encouragement great image and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   great realtor results yeah what was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:56   that is a moment where I was like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:57   right I feel like I'm now getting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   board with these characters but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:00   get i think that is the challenge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:03   writing a character that is supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   be a construct which is to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   brooke has a personality but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   necessarily that it's lacking something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:12   of its humanity and that may be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   the point but it is it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   difficult for me to step into the shoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   and empathize with that character also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   from a plot perspective so much of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   plot seems to hinge on the coincidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:27   meeting of some garden and brick at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   beginning which and I know they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30   repeated reference to the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   the wrench i don't see coincidences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   right everything is everything is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   coincidence is actually the hand of god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   or yeah but it is a he like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:41   carrot garden has been lost for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   thousand years and it happens to show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   on the planet where break is walking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   like I don't know that I you got to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   with it because it starts off the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   and that's basically what a way to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:52   things going but it seemed just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:53   incredibly implausible to me i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   bother me because I figured that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3235">TS</a>]

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00:53:59   Empire for all that time you've met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   thousands and thousands of officers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:04   for one of them to end up facedown in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   ditch 1,000 years out of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:10   yeah well I was in here is that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   like I mean you know when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:13   talking about people who live like 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:14   years like which is already pretty long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   but you know I don't know it just right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   but you live all that you live all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   time and you meet what you know hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   thousands and thousands of people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:22   this Empire and then you run into one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23   don't know it didn't seem entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   unlikely to me and it didn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27   her in her plan that doesn't hinge on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   him it just turns out that he is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   effective tool to further the plan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:34   wasn't sure why he needed to be out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   time either that that seemed odd to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   that's just it's entertaining at times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   but it didn't seem like there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:42   whole lot of point to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   well he's disconnected so much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   breakfast yeah disconnected but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:49   part of this society there are integral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   parts of the society but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   disconnected right I feel like it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   have been interesting if he was one out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:55   of time or if he was one of our officers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   but combining those two just seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   keeping too much stuff on this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:00   character there are many characters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   Scott Scott's right it's he he is messed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:07   up his identity is lost because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   lost all of the cultural significance as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   long as house you know so that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   he's out of time and and when i get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:16   completely i guess my point was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   seem like enough convenient also need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   be one of her officers not right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   maybe that's just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3323">TS</a>]

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00:55:29   that's true i think that is actually one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3329">TS</a>]

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00:55:32   gender thing was really clever and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   it did so many layers like Monty said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:37   you know do you need a 7-layer burrito [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:40   that's a lot of lists let's take one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   layer I out of the brain later on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:45   right love the layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3345">TS</a>]

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00:55:48   banks vibe i die i like that i also i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:52   get the feeling and correct me if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   wrong but you know what we're seeing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:55   is these aren't these are these cultures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:58   are alien but they're the people in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   are humans right there humans yes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:03   future of humans and then they formed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   all these different empires and cultures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   on these different planets and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   guys happen to be this very militaristic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10   awful empire that is taking over all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3370">TS</a>]

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00:56:14   actual aliens who decided that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:18   gonna not put up in yeah well to imply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3378">TS</a>]

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00:56:22   that there were other aliens that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3382">TS</a>]

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00:56:42   about the Empire around which was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   that was wrong way life was really fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   read the Empire is actually an ancillary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3406">TS</a>]

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00:56:52   even go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3412">TS</a>]

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00:56:59   just to protect this is buffers around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   this thing nobody can get into around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3422">TS</a>]

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00:57:14   me of foundation actually LOL we brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3434">TS</a>]

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00:57:34   sphere I thought that what i thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3454">TS</a>]

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00:57:41   consider the best book I read last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3461">TS</a>]

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00:57:44   again I although i have read to mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   banks now and i like it might recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   the style it's not my very favorite kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3468">TS</a>]

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01:00:52   to wear our protagonist was going yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:55   gives up what the hell let's go do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   something else like I felt like the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:00   of the book I'd stepped off a cliff put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:03   a pin in it where they say I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   we're gonna put you in terms of a ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   come back later for the sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   never mind about the whole reason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   were reading the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:12   well maybe it's trying to do they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   explain it away well you did take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   some of the Emperor's and that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:19   shoot and Emperor like one out of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   thousand bodies or whatever i don't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:24   and now you're on a call with lap you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:25   know but there's a new mission to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:27   this other thing that could also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29   interesting and and you know you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   really have much choice on the matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   I it's there and it's engineered and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:35   that was the part that made me laugh is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   that I get why why she does that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   end but at the same time it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   like congratulations you're now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   captain of the starship enterprise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   you're annoying sidekick he can be your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   first officer don't have adventures kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   like this doesn't really fit with how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:53   expected everybody to sort of end up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   know shot to death at the end yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   wouldn't be good way to start a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   that would be what he and banks would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:01   those Scott it is what even banks would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   do but his serious generally don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   the same characters i like a resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   and this book felt seems like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:11   refused to give it to know at the end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:13   the pilot of of serious right yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   and that's how they became the captain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   and first officer of a starship there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   gonna be more of these called you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   ancillary revenge and ancillary love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:24   actually believe the next one is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   ancillary mercy haha I mercy not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:30   that up that's what it's that's that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:31   believe that if you look at wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:32   page and so every sword ancillary mercy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   and I believe that an ancillary love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:36   will be the next one much but so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:39   was weird for me when reading this was i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:40   I was finishing it up and i was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:43   my kindle you get that little progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:44   bar at the bottom and i thought i had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46   whole chapter left and it turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48   that's just all the crap that they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:49   at the end like an interview with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:50   offer and other stuff and I was so I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   to that chapter with her like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:53   going onto the ship and like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:54   so I got one more chapter know that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   the end of the book that's a better dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:59   then all is all that crap for book clubs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   at the end who does book i skipped all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   that bunch of jerks that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   that's I don't need that no I mean I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08   don't want to sound like i was too down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:09   on this book i did enjoy it wasn't--oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   yeah I i agree with Jason I I was not my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   favorite book I read last year but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   I think is more function of just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   pipes types of books that I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19   and this is a book that i liked but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   didn't love i'm a check out the sequel's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:24   we'll see what you know what the buzz on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26   those when they come out but I there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   lot of motti I think it's totally hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:29   the nail on the head there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:32   ideas I was interesting them but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   like it would have benefited a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:35   more from just a little more focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37   yeah i certainly liked the book i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   didn't fall head-over-heels in love with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:41   yeah yeah I liked a lot i well i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:45   read the the sequel I i was impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47   and I I did love the love the richness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:50   of it but I did feel like it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   little too much stuff in the in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   the pot or too many layers memory know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:57   if we go back to the taco bell metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58   which I'm not married too many burritos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   in the pot what a burrito in every pot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:03   say put more burritos in that pot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:06   layers and burritos in the pot as you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08   a communist cat we didn't even talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10   about the fact that this is the this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   is famous for singing songs and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   that that whole thing which is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   weird like is it a person is it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19   it's got its got these strange quirks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:22   yeah they never really explained whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   the AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:27   is an AI or has an independent can act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:32   independently or not really but I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:33   like that was on purpose so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   well and I didn't like the fact that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36   really came down to the fact that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   they talked about the fact that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   ships have their favorites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   you know and also the people like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:44   end of the day those in salaries there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   still something person like about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:49   that it came down to the fact that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:52   killing who we haven't really talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54   about that story thread that much but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:55   the the whole sort of flashback story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   thread where we see the Emperor order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3897">TS</a>]

01:05:00   eventually the death of this lieutenant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02   who is you know beloved 200 extent which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:07   others who paraded who prevented a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:08   massacre right and that's essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:10   what sets this whole thing in motion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   because she can't she can't stand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:15   justice of Toren can't stand that shoots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:17   the Emperor and the upper destroys the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:19   ship and to me that was the cool part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   for me because I again I felt the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   empathy with that character that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:25   who you know felt that they had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:27   what they were ordered because they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:29   in AI but also you know had this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   freewill action of like all right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33   now I'm gonna kill you because you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:34   me do something really bad and i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:37   to send and then that's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:38   exciting scene where sense the this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:41   ancillary into the escape pod basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   to go off and yeah and you're like oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:46   that's how that's how this happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:48   that's how I know I took me a minute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:50   put those those pieces together but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:52   you realize that I think that is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:54   as a great moment of Noah so that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:57   we get back i think it would be funny if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59   in a later book we discover that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:03   Emperor's two halves are split exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:06   along male and female lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:09   ah but nobody can tell right haha how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:12   how we know you good one of the bad one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:15   there's no way to tell make sure to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   your Emperor spayed and neutered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:18   something that I think the damage that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:20   want to bring up again is that one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:21   that I did bother me like i said earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   i like the fact that we don't just see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   this kind of cool setup we do get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27   background where we really where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:29   settle witnessed the horrors of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:32   Empire at close range that how these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:35   corpse soldiers bodies come to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   and what they do when they take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40   these planets one thing that I felt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:43   this book did shy away from and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:46   thought was unfortunate maybe she'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   deal with it in the later installment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   but I never I never felt that this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:53   dealt with who the who the person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:55   the body was before it was taken over by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:59   the justice of Toren and I i'm sorry i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:01   don't believe that uh a person and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:07   their body and their brain is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:09   be completely vacant with whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:11   science-fictional process puts an AI in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   it and if they have favorites and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   these bodies all have sort of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   that are quirky about them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   that's really because it was a human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   being before and that human being is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   probably still there in some way and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:26   not deal with that at all which I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:27   like this book really didn't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:29   too bad because we are ultimately this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   is going person is going back to being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:33   person i was a little disappointed i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34   don't necessarily need like a flashback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   where she suddenly has memories that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   didn't know we're there that's of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:39   childhood and all that I don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   that that that would be kind of hokey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:43   but I just that I felt it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:46   advocated responsibility for that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:48   our hero who were following here was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   somebody who died and we don't know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:53   they were and we don't get any real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   sense other than that well you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   is the body that happened to survive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59   there's a passing reference the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   offers to put the old personality back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:04   in charge and breakfast says oh so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   want a personality you approve of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:07   instead of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4087">TS</a>]

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01:08:17   reading books that we read lately that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4097">TS</a>]

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01:08:28   i'm reading what is called the Gini and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:31   the golem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4111">TS</a>]

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01:08:35   through and it's very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   it's about a genie and go from everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4117">TS</a>]

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01:08:47   york city so really really i've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:51   many good things about that book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4131">TS</a>]

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01:08:55   whatever time nothing about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4135">TS</a>]

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01:09:00   finished it could you know get really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:03   crappy i also read a nonfiction book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:06   called empty mansions which is getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4146">TS</a>]

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01:09:12   you want some nonfiction check that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14   right Dan what about you what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4156">TS</a>]

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01:09:18   hurt called ancillary just tell us all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4158">TS</a>]

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01:09:24   i picked up a new book yet the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:27   recent book i read before that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   third book in the peter grant series the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:32   rivers of London series huh whispers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:34   underground which I which I liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:37   I've enjoyed that series been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4177">TS</a>]

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01:09:47   looking for i think the fourth one comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4187">TS</a>]

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01:09:55   christmas which is a nonfiction book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:57   about TE Lawrence that I really am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:59   interested in reading so that's the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4199">TS</a>]

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01:10:06   reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4206">TS</a>]

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01:10:16   very high browse it's nonfiction it's by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:19   the assistant director of Caligula and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:22   it's about how that movie got made and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4222">TS</a>]

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01:10:29   surprise you to learn that the making of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31   that movie was ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4231">TS</a>]

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01:10:35   every level and I've also just started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:40   reading the film noir reader which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   collection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:43   essays on fillmore alright like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4243">TS</a>]

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01:10:55   episode is ultimate porno the making of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57   a sex colossal it's probably not but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:00   country and you think you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:03   Caligula involved you do not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:08   casting process for all the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:11   the background you think you can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4271">TS</a>]

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01:11:18   asking Scott I I've been reading right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4278">TS</a>]

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01:11:23   is the sequel to Nexus which I read last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4283">TS</a>]

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01:11:30   book about in the near future and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4290">TS</a>]

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01:11:37   nexus that basically networks their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   brain and put some operating system in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   the brain they can connect to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4301">TS</a>]

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01:11:45   possibly creating a hive mind but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4305">TS</a>]

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01:11:49   to destroy it and there may be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4309">TS</a>]

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01:11:54   that's now taking over computers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   Robyn's mom is a use for Microsoft he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:59   writes nonfiction he also writes fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4319">TS</a>]

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01:12:06   some really interesting attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:07   extrapolation stuff in it so I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   enjoying crux i finished over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:13   holiday break i read love minus eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   by will mcintosh which is based on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:19   Hugo nominated short story called bride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   sickles which is about in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:25   they they cure death but most people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:28   are horribly who are dying a horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:31   accident they can cure death but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:34   have to also fix all the things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:35   wrong with them and somebody apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:37   has a brilliant idea that particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39   attractive dead people could be brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   back to life by rich men to marry them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:46   which is super as creepy it's creepier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:49   than it sounds in fact is that creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:51   and this book this book is expands on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:54   that and there's a there's a guy hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   guy boy meets girl boy gets girl with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   his car girl dies boy feels really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:02   guilty boy goes and visits her corpse in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:05   the corpsicle pod but doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   enough money to actually bring her back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:08   to life and it goes from there I friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:12   of the of the podcast Tom Green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:13   recommended to me as his favorite book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:15   of 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:16   it was I would say it was fine i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:19   I i enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   I i would say it's like The Love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:22   Actually of sci-fi novels it's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:25   sci-fi romantic comedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:28   uh we're like I said girl is hit by car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:31   and yet all the characters are defined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33   by their romantic relationships or lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:35   of same it's all about love triangles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:38   and who's dating who even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40   set in this weird near future world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43   where they've you know there's a vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:46   difference between the rich and the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:47   and some people have sort of led into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   the countryside and all that and yet in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51   the middle of it it's just a big warm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:53   romantic comedy strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   not bad just very strange and I I i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:59   reading it expecting something else was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:00   like okay this is love actually got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:03   it's right there in the title of minus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:06   eighty and then the other novel i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08   over the break with shadow ops control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:10   point by my coal which dan recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12   to me and you know I like to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:14   positive person on this podcast so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:15   I'll say is I thought it was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   disaster and um iphone kind of and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4457">TS</a>]

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01:14:23   but and i feel kind of bad to say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:26   because I know Dan liked it and that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28   Cole seems to be a very nice guy on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30   internet but it is a gigantic mess with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:34   lots of characters who are incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36   stupid doing things that make no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4476">TS</a>]

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01:14:41   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4481">TS</a>]

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01:14:46   won't say anything because he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:47   friend haha I i read that book i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:51   this i read the sequel as well I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:52   Scott Scott read it as well I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:54   think we both felt more positive about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   it than you did I guess it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   so I'd like to thank my guests for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:00   reading the books and coming here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:02   talk about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:03   the only only three could do it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   three were up to the challenge they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   the superheroes of the incomparable book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09   club and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:10   Scott McNulty thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12   Jason you're my favorite ancillary oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:14   thank thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:15   I'm did you did you murder me before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:18   making me an ancillary that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:19   question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20   well we'd let's let dwell on the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4520">TS</a>]

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01:15:32   humans and your gender doesn't blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:35   Monty Ashley thank you very much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   being here thank you i enjoy reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:39   books ah books are nice and clean about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4539">TS</a>]

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01:15:51   reference to both books dancing thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4551">TS</a>]

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01:15:53   the knives of dead more everybody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:58   thanks everybody out there for listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4558">TS</a>]

01:15:59   to the uncomfortable and reading books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:01   the people who write books thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:04   reading books combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbdHePs/4564">TS</a>]