Roderick on the Line

Ep. 40: "Status Butter"


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00:00:13   hello I John I'm Maryland how are you [TS]

00:00:18   I'm good sound subdued mmm well it's so [TS]

00:00:25   early food we're recording on a [TS]

00:00:30   different day than usual and it's [TS]

00:00:31   exactly the same time we usually record [TS]

00:00:32   which is 20 minutes late just 120 [TS]

00:00:36   minutes after we agreed to meet ya but [TS]

00:00:39   the fact that it's a different day makes [TS]

00:00:40   it feel really early do you anything [TS]

00:00:42   differently to prepare for the show for [TS]

00:00:45   recording do you do any kind of [TS]

00:00:47   stretches or have any special angles you [TS]

00:00:49   apply um i want what i do to prepare [TS]

00:00:52   fresh as i wake up earlier than I [TS]

00:00:54   normally would [TS]

00:00:55   that is the preparation that I have I'm [TS]

00:00:57   so sorry no no it's perfectly fine i [TS]

00:01:00   should wake up before noon [TS]

00:01:04   well I should be a good father Eric [TS]

00:01:09   great father [TS]

00:01:10   I you know what I have really mixed [TS]

00:01:11   emotions about this first of all I am [TS]

00:01:14   sorry i know you are sorry that's your [TS]

00:01:17   primary emotion is a great was poorly i [TS]

00:01:19   love you will say poorly poorly [TS]

00:01:22   yeah yeah they say on Deadwood a lot i [TS]

00:01:23   think its way people used to say I think [TS]

00:01:25   maybe English people still say it on [TS]

00:01:27   poorly today [TS]

00:01:29   oh I'm poorly yeah like you know I'm [TS]

00:01:31   feeling poorly no feeling poorly would [TS]

00:01:33   be like the way my grandfather would say [TS]

00:01:34   it [TS]

00:01:34   well it's like the fashion that that [TS]

00:01:36   swept our great nation to respond to the [TS]

00:01:39   question how you doing uh-huh with well [TS]

00:01:42   instead of good [TS]

00:01:44   remember when we were kids if somebody [TS]

00:01:47   said how ru you said good even get a [TS]

00:01:50   problem with that [TS]

00:01:51   no not at all but there was a there was [TS]

00:01:53   a moment in time where someone decided [TS]

00:01:55   that good was the with some you know [TS]

00:01:58   someone started saying to their friends [TS]

00:02:00   in an elementary school teachers voice [TS]

00:02:02   you know properly we should say well [TS]

00:02:05   instead of good sometimes use with your [TS]

00:02:07   what's your what's your preference / [TS]

00:02:10   beef like you like good i have no [TS]

00:02:12   preference or beef [TS]

00:02:14   it's just something that I that I am [TS]

00:02:16   noting who that there that the use of [TS]

00:02:20   well the supplant ation of good with [TS]

00:02:23   well [TS]

00:02:24   swept our country and now everywhere you [TS]

00:02:27   go [TS]

00:02:28   if you say to a barista how you doing [TS]

00:02:29   today they go I'm well how are you [TS]

00:02:32   yes right no one and and if somebody [TS]

00:02:35   says if somebody says I'm good how are [TS]

00:02:37   you [TS]

00:02:37   generally most people say I'm well and [TS]

00:02:41   it's a kind of it's a little bit of a [TS]

00:02:42   like a it's a little bit because I [TS]

00:02:45   talked about mrs. speaking people talk [TS]

00:02:47   about mare it's like reaching its a [TS]

00:02:49   grammar reach-around I met well then [TS]

00:02:53   you're like oh you know it's interesting [TS]

00:02:55   though is also just in hearing you say [TS]

00:02:57   that bc good try to get the same here [TS]

00:03:00   i'm well it you if you say I am well you [TS]

00:03:03   can't help it sound like you paused in [TS]

00:03:06   our little fancy that's right you paused [TS]

00:03:08   and you were like should I be saying [TS]

00:03:10   should be saying I or me [TS]

00:03:13   I am what meet me and well well as I [TS]

00:03:16   it's anybody know you know it's a really [TS]

00:03:20   good point and I'm usually a bit of a [TS]

00:03:22   stickler about those things [TS]

00:03:23   yeah but the thing is it swept the [TS]

00:03:27   country in such a way that the [TS]

00:03:28   implication was that saying i am good [TS]

00:03:31   was improper and in fact same i'm good [TS]

00:03:35   is just fine i think that counts as [TS]

00:03:38   vernacular and I got a safe if you're on [TS]

00:03:40   track if you're feeling upbeat you know [TS]

00:03:42   I'm well sounds like I'm undiagnosed [TS]

00:03:44   haha he say I'm hey do you good and I [TS]

00:03:48   think that's man that is efficient as [TS]

00:03:50   shit that's so good [TS]

00:03:52   it's like so well yeah I'm well I given [TS]

00:03:56   gonna give you you know a bellingham but [TS]

00:03:58   can i give you a-a bellingham ease [TS]

00:03:59   reframe on this something I've heard an [TS]

00:04:02   occasional benefits a correction or just [TS]

00:04:06   not blocked a lot of it out but [TS]

00:04:08   sometimes people will say you know well [TS]

00:04:10   you know there's only one way to do good [TS]

00:04:12   you know which is to tell you it's like [TS]

00:04:14   you know shutout and that's the that's [TS]

00:04:17   the that's the slap that's the slap [TS]

00:04:19   engendering wave wave correcting people [TS]

00:04:24   is that a little bit the Hemis you think [TS]

00:04:25   there is no one in bellingham for the [TS]

00:04:28   last seven years that has ever said they [TS]

00:04:30   were good they all are well unless they [TS]

00:04:33   worked at the magazine [TS]

00:04:34   it is get a magazine called good i'm [TS]

00:04:39   sure there is [TS]

00:04:40   I'm sure it features local locally [TS]

00:04:42   artist finely crafted it's beautifully [TS]

00:04:46   designed of course i'm pretty sure al [TS]

00:04:48   gore is involved again it's that the [TS]

00:04:51   design like the magazine itself is [TS]

00:04:53   extremely pleased with it [TS]

00:04:55   yeah well I met and I think personally I [TS]

00:04:59   feel like if you have if you have [TS]

00:05:02   completely replaced describing yourself [TS]

00:05:04   as doing good with describing yourself [TS]

00:05:06   is doing well if you have completely [TS]

00:05:08   replaced it [TS]

00:05:09   I mean I i use the two interchangeably [TS]

00:05:12   but if you if you can never ever say to [TS]

00:05:14   somebody that you're doing good then [TS]

00:05:17   you're a little pleased with yourself [TS]

00:05:18   like people need to reintroduce that [TS]

00:05:21   sometimes you know what the correct [TS]

00:05:24   answer is that you're doing good and if [TS]

00:05:27   you can't do that if you're if you're so [TS]

00:05:28   convinced that well is the only proper [TS]

00:05:30   response huh [TS]

00:05:31   and your little precious and you need to [TS]

00:05:33   check yourself oh and you know i'd like [TS]

00:05:35   to see at the return of feeling fine up [TS]

00:05:40   like that which is a little bit like [TS]

00:05:42   certainly on the pie graph thirty [TS]

00:05:43   percent is gonna that's gonna be you [TS]

00:05:44   know towers snipers and white van people [TS]

00:05:46   but you know i think that's that's kind [TS]

00:05:48   of you see you in five somebody says how [TS]

00:05:51   you doing yusei feeling fine and a [TS]

00:05:52   cartoon rainbow doesn't come from behind [TS]

00:05:55   you [TS]

00:05:55   I'm like little cartoon birds are [TS]

00:05:57   suddenly sitting around your head then [TS]

00:05:59   you're not gonna answer your question [TS]

00:06:01   give me three other ways to make a [TS]

00:06:03   cartoon rainbow and birds appear without [TS]

00:06:05   saying feeling fine [TS]

00:06:06   it's an incantation of joy it is it [TS]

00:06:08   really is although if your name is Uncle [TS]

00:06:10   Remus why that's a dirty name you can [TS]

00:06:13   you can conjure rainbows and birthdate [TS]

00:06:15   and you know how do you mind the [TS]

00:06:16   ping-pong that sounds like a porn name [TS]

00:06:19   Remus I never thought of it that way Oh [TS]

00:06:22   Uncle Remus I want to come back to my [TS]

00:06:24   second reason was a local liquor driver [TS]

00:06:26   i wanna come back to my a second reason [TS]

00:06:29   that I I discussing like I feel bad [TS]

00:06:31   about getting up early but coupl couple [TS]

00:06:32   points [TS]

00:06:33   these are two that I'm a little bit [TS]

00:06:34   pedantic about just with me just with [TS]

00:06:38   myself one that drives me a little bit [TS]

00:06:41   crazy just to get it out of the way is [TS]

00:06:44   people using [TS]

00:06:46   and I in the object of a sentence [TS]

00:06:50   give me an example Jim came to the [TS]

00:06:54   abattoir with Lucille and I because [TS]

00:06:58   people think they're there mrs. howl o [TS]

00:07:00   thats turn and they were corrected so [TS]

00:07:02   many times so it so many I think for [TS]

00:07:04   some reason I as kids they think you [TS]

00:07:07   think of yourself as me this is me this [TS]

00:07:09   is for me because that you are the [TS]

00:07:11   object of everything in the world [TS]

00:07:12   another something someone hit you on the [TS]

00:07:14   knuckles with a ruler for five years [TS]

00:07:15   saying it's not me it's i right [TS]

00:07:19   and now you now you do it without you [TS]

00:07:22   don't he's going without understanding [TS]

00:07:23   why you do without understanding the [TS]

00:07:25   grammar and you use and I in situations [TS]

00:07:28   I don't make it Japanese two hours [TS]

00:07:29   getting a German but now I think you're [TS]

00:07:31   thinking more about corporal punishment [TS]

00:07:32   than you are about communicating clearly [TS]

00:07:33   right for or or you're thinking more [TS]

00:07:36   about now that you have been improperly [TS]

00:07:39   school now [TS]

00:07:40   now your job in the world is to go [TS]

00:07:42   improperly school and now we're back in [TS]

00:07:44   England with a spanking is contagious [TS]

00:07:46   how can you have your putting when you [TS]

00:07:50   don't eat your meat [TS]

00:07:51   oh no you know you know what that are [TS]

00:07:53   you got started without you are [TS]

00:07:54   absolutely right now [TS]

00:07:56   it absolutely and you know that start [TS]

00:07:58   with him spitting on a fan spinning on a [TS]

00:08:01   on a on a fan of the band we're going on [TS]

00:08:03   down in an electric fan this is a reason [TS]

00:08:05   that I would like roger waters and Mike [TS]

00:08:07   love to being a super super band [TS]

00:08:09   together because it was relieved me wen [TS]

00:08:10   ru conflating robbed the great roger [TS]

00:08:13   waters with mike no no I'm not [TS]

00:08:16   complaining I'm just saying that they [TS]

00:08:17   should both never stopped being hit by [TS]

00:08:19   somebody maybe really o.o you know what [TS]

00:08:24   we should come up with a new game you [TS]

00:08:26   can pick up an electric fan that has [TS]

00:08:27   like rubber gloves are at the end of [TS]

00:08:30   popsicle sticks haha it's just this fan [TS]

00:08:33   spins and the role of my god that's apt [TS]

00:08:36   1132 on this day I want to keep it [TS]

00:08:38   timeless this is the day that I figured [TS]

00:08:40   out my first fucking Kickstarter i will [TS]

00:08:41   give a nickel to and that is the Michael [TS]

00:08:43   of slapping fan of my club slapping fan [TS]

00:08:46   take off that hat [TS]

00:08:47   you've been following since surfin USA [TS]

00:08:49   take that thing off [TS]

00:08:51   ok ok shoot i'm getting Deeping stack ok [TS]

00:08:54   so first of all and i also want to [TS]

00:08:55   provide our listeners John I'll never be [TS]

00:08:57   as helpful as you but perhaps you can [TS]

00:08:58   share with me what do you think this [TS]

00:09:00   is as useful as i have found it so first [TS]

00:09:02   of all only say I if it's in the subject [TS]

00:09:05   of the sentence right i just think it's [TS]

00:09:07   good things are done to me right object [TS]

00:09:09   object and here's the really simple way [TS]

00:09:11   I don't be panic i wanna be helpful but [TS]

00:09:13   here's the thing take off the was like [TS]

00:09:17   Stephanie what was the name and I forget [TS]

00:09:19   to Lucille so you say Jim Jim came to [TS]

00:09:22   the average war with Lucille and I take [TS]

00:09:26   off Lucille and how would you say it [TS]

00:09:28   would you say Jim came to the abattoir [TS]

00:09:31   with I yes no you would not [TS]

00:09:33   doesn't anyone football here's what's [TS]

00:09:34   confusing because you would say Lucy [TS]

00:09:37   when I went to the store and so people [TS]

00:09:39   are people become accustomed to thinking [TS]

00:09:41   that maybe there's two sure that that [TS]

00:09:44   that that that little claws or that [TS]

00:09:47   phrase that is is you can its mobile and [TS]

00:09:50   you can use it as a subject or an object [TS]

00:09:52   i bet you the Inuit don't have any [TS]

00:09:54   problem with this was in order Eskimos [TS]

00:09:55   with this one's a language and one is a [TS]

00:09:57   docs letting people know there are [TS]

00:10:00   Inuits and Eskimos this is complicated [TS]

00:10:04   case [TS]

00:10:05   ok my somebody people are all the time [TS]

00:10:07   saying like saying to me because [TS]

00:10:09   correcting you [TS]

00:10:11   oh no they're not I don't directly but [TS]

00:10:12   they're like so what about the what [TS]

00:10:14   about those Aleuts up in the upper [TS]

00:10:17   Eskimo country and I'm like you're [TS]

00:10:19   getting it you're getting it wrong [TS]

00:10:21   there are aliens there i say is you [TS]

00:10:23   Allie you to cali out lu that's right [TS]

00:10:25   the newest and Eskimos and at the [TS]

00:10:28   Baskins which are Indians not an Eskimo [TS]

00:10:33   people not am NOT a seafaring people the [TS]

00:10:35   Athabascan that you wouldn't call those [TS]

00:10:37   Indians Native Americans you would in [TS]

00:10:39   fact you would call the at the Baskins [TS]

00:10:41   well I you know what I don't call anyone [TS]

00:10:43   Native Americans because i think it's a [TS]

00:10:45   dumb three its own phrase but remember [TS]

00:10:48   that show we could put up because I mean [TS]

00:10:50   going off on african-american remember [TS]

00:10:51   that [TS]

00:10:52   and while you was justyou were just [TS]

00:10:53   going off on everybody yeah it was great [TS]

00:10:55   it was really it was really wonderful [TS]

00:10:56   and maybe one day when the world has [TS]

00:10:58   evolved to a place where people have [TS]

00:11:01   enough understanding that they can [TS]

00:11:02   appreciate that you don't like other [TS]

00:11:04   races in your country now we can play [TS]

00:11:06   that episode [TS]

00:11:08   but anyway at the Baskins are asking [TS]

00:11:11   they are related to like the Shoshoni I [TS]

00:11:15   mean they're related to the Indians that [TS]

00:11:16   live in the continental United States [TS]

00:11:18   whereas the Inuits and the Aleuts are [TS]

00:11:22   more what you would call that in fact i [TS]

00:11:26   think they are closer a genetic [TS]

00:11:28   genetically to the southeast Pacific [TS]

00:11:31   island people there they are seafaring [TS]

00:11:35   people from the coasts who arrived in [TS]

00:11:39   boats kind of Pangaea kev elution can [TS]

00:11:43   keep up with us a little bit past a [TS]

00:11:44   little bit after Pangaea about land [TS]

00:11:46   bridge what you're thinking of his land [TS]

00:11:48   bridge you're thinking I that's when [TS]

00:11:49   they walked like from the from the [TS]

00:11:51   former Soviet Union to Anchorage correct [TS]

00:11:54   ok correct deliver Soviets picking my [TS]

00:11:58   third one [TS]

00:11:58   yeah let's do this one is a personal [TS]

00:12:00   mission and this is more of something [TS]

00:12:02   that I would like to try and advocate [TS]

00:12:04   for or as the grammarian to say that i'd [TS]

00:12:06   like to advocate for which you would for [TS]

00:12:09   which like to advocate ok John thank you [TS]

00:12:12   yes what do you say you want [TS]

00:12:16   thank you thank you for sitting you know [TS]

00:12:18   what thank you for saying thank you for [TS]

00:12:19   saying you're welcome [TS]

00:12:20   I've realized i'm becoming troubled by [TS]

00:12:22   no problem no problem [TS]

00:12:26   think about it thank you no problem well [TS]

00:12:28   you know what you know we're at white [TS]

00:12:29   where I think that's coming from it's [TS]

00:12:31   coming from the ubiquitous Donata oh you [TS]

00:12:35   find that ubiquitous well the it is no [TS]

00:12:38   longer ubiquitous but there was a there [TS]

00:12:39   was a time there in the eighties and [TS]

00:12:42   early nineties when the kind of Jimmy [TS]

00:12:45   Buffett ization of the Southwest was [TS]

00:12:47   happening and everybody was wearing puka [TS]

00:12:51   shells and there was a lot of de nada [TS]

00:12:53   happening then I hey a Cheech Donata I [TS]

00:12:59   think that a little bit Spicoli to it [TS]

00:13:01   too [TS]

00:13:01   there's some Spicoli to it and I think [TS]

00:13:03   it just at that has passed that the that [TS]

00:13:06   dark cloud has passed in America but i [TS]

00:13:08   think one of the residuals of it is that [TS]

00:13:11   people said no problem now what they [TS]

00:13:13   mean is you're welcome [TS]

00:13:15   and is it the to the to that it may be [TS]

00:13:16   worse than that [TS]

00:13:17   one-eyed wha-what waitstaff not a [TS]

00:13:23   problem [TS]

00:13:24   oh yeah but what the fuck does that mean [TS]

00:13:26   thank you [TS]

00:13:27   not a problem but yeah well I'm i [TS]

00:13:32   believe in that is that there's a wait [TS]

00:13:34   staff in America at least have been [TS]

00:13:36   trained by one another [TS]

00:13:39   I know I know outside force but they [TS]

00:13:40   trained one another to think that they [TS]

00:13:42   are an oppressed class of of artists and [TS]

00:13:47   poets who have been forced into waiting [TS]

00:13:50   who have been forced into servitude do [TS]

00:13:52   by an unjust system so every time you [TS]

00:13:56   say hey thanks you know thanks for that [TS]

00:13:58   glass of water then I asked for 11 [TS]

00:14:00   minutes ago and they say not a problem [TS]

00:14:03   but they're what they're trying to say [TS]

00:14:05   to you is I shouldn't be waiting tables [TS]

00:14:07   I should be on the big stage [TS]

00:14:10   that's good i should be on what Donna's [TS]

00:14:12   dancers and it's like no you shouldn't [TS]

00:14:15   you should have brought me this glass of [TS]

00:14:16   water four minutes ago right after I [TS]

00:14:17   asked for [TS]

00:14:18   oh boy this is something that's the big [TS]

00:14:20   card and then finally I just wanna leave [TS]

00:14:22   often this is this is seriously [TS]

00:14:23   punchable a beach bar or taqueria or [TS]

00:14:29   briefs to shit [TS]

00:14:30   mom it's all good it's all good i really [TS]

00:14:37   don't like it's all good in any form or [TS]

00:14:39   fashion but especially and now so anyway [TS]

00:14:42   now let me ask you this here's the big [TS]

00:14:43   one and this is the one I struggle with [TS]

00:14:44   this is 10 * often it's not talking you [TS]

00:14:46   know what [TS]

00:14:47   hey shaka-brah rape she put the shell a [TS]

00:14:51   date rape you gotta throw that whenever [TS]

00:14:52   someone says thank you just made a very [TS]

00:14:55   attractive very popular way to do it you [TS]

00:14:57   know carrots and a drape the arm okay [TS]

00:15:00   and then here's the final causes tedious [TS]

00:15:03   and cut all this out and this is the one [TS]

00:15:04   where I suffer because here's my feeling [TS]

00:15:06   is that when someone says thank you [TS]

00:15:08   you should respond by saying you're [TS]

00:15:09   welcome and you know what my biggest [TS]

00:15:11   offender is if you don't mind would you [TS]

00:15:12   please say thank you thank you thank you [TS]

00:15:16   oh right that's very belling him it's [TS]

00:15:19   well and it's very it's very waitstaff [TS]

00:15:20   II like it you know what I mean it'sit's [TS]

00:15:22   and but I don't mind that one so much [TS]

00:15:25   but i think i can do you know what I [TS]

00:15:26   think I'm capable of better and i think [TS]

00:15:28   that we as a culture are better and more [TS]

00:15:31   device has been on wait staff Jon I [TS]

00:15:33   think what we're saying is we're not [TS]

00:15:34   simply teaching each other as wait staff [TS]

00:15:35   to be passive aggressive because we're [TS]

00:15:38   not on Broadway so to speak but I think [TS]

00:15:40   we're also developing a kind of cultural [TS]

00:15:41   inbreeding where there's nobody that's [TS]

00:15:43   intervening to say you know what it's [TS]

00:15:45   okay to be a professional waiter [TS]

00:15:47   no i didn't i say server i did not say [TS]

00:15:49   waitron that John not brought us the [TS]

00:15:52   states that place you remember he [TS]

00:15:53   brought us he brought his friend on a [TS]

00:15:54   plate with giant nights he said he was [TS]

00:15:57   that he was a middle-aged man he was an [TS]

00:15:58   old he was older than we were and he had [TS]

00:16:00   dignity and he had it great how many [TS]

00:16:02   times well you know what we should take [TS]

00:16:04   you out of doing this but i think it's i [TS]

00:16:06   think it's more i think the epidemic is [TS]

00:16:07   worse in the sense that no one in [TS]

00:16:09   America now and buy it when I say no one [TS]

00:16:12   in America I mean none of the none of [TS]

00:16:15   the shitty overeducated west coast [TS]

00:16:17   people that we know uh huh and the [TS]

00:16:18   shitty overeducated east coast people [TS]

00:16:20   who have been imitating shitty [TS]

00:16:23   overeducated west coast people for 20 [TS]

00:16:25   years [TS]

00:16:26   none of these people can accept a thank [TS]

00:16:31   you [TS]

00:16:32   it isn't a bit isn't it it's not just a [TS]

00:16:35   problem of of of all the many different [TS]

00:16:38   problems we've we've elucidated so far [TS]

00:16:41   it is that what they have convinced [TS]

00:16:44   themselves that to be thanked in that [TS]

00:16:46   way is in itself a kind of classism or [TS]

00:16:50   its they don't want to be put on I think [TS]

00:16:53   this is behind your like thank you [TS]

00:16:55   you don't have to absolutely become [TS]

00:16:57   uncomfortable even in even being put in [TS]

00:17:00   a position of power so great as to be [TS]

00:17:02   thanked for something that you did no I [TS]

00:17:04   I a man worthy and I reject your [TS]

00:17:06   colonialism right which is why I want [TS]

00:17:08   people say thank you to me sometimes I [TS]

00:17:11   will respond with it was my pleasure [TS]

00:17:13   oh now I think that's lovely or them [TS]

00:17:15   that you know what else I like the [TS]

00:17:17   pleasure was online [TS]

00:17:18   the pleasure was all mine or just simply [TS]

00:17:20   my pleasure and if I really believe it [TS]

00:17:22   and I've honestly feel this way and i [TS]

00:17:24   thought was a great opportunity say it [TS]

00:17:25   was an honor to do exactly and those are [TS]

00:17:28   things that what that does is it honors [TS]

00:17:30   the person's gratitude and and it honors [TS]

00:17:35   it by accepting that you have done [TS]

00:17:36   something for them instead of saying no [TS]

00:17:38   no no [TS]

00:17:39   hi i am on I am unworthy of your [TS]

00:17:42   gratitude I mean that is I think that's [TS]

00:17:44   but that's but this is a book ended [TS]

00:17:45   nation you think both coasts are [TS]

00:17:47   contributing this do you think this is [TS]

00:17:48   part of our evolving leftist culture he [TS]

00:17:49   said wishing he had already wishing he [TS]

00:17:50   hadn't said it [TS]

00:17:51   yes okay yes i do and i think the piano [TS]

00:17:54   at the center of america i think those [TS]

00:17:55   corn-fed truck driving centre Americans [TS]

00:17:59   if you say thank you to them they go [TS]

00:18:01   you're welcome my pleasure [TS]

00:18:03   how do you think anything else I can do [TS]

00:18:05   to help I like that I you know what I [TS]

00:18:07   gotta tell you I like civility with [TS]

00:18:08   strangers i don't like over from uranus [TS]

00:18:10   I'm on record for this pile of civility [TS]

00:18:12   among strangers and I know it's but [TS]

00:18:14   although it's so nice it's the oil that [TS]

00:18:17   keeps it all running because here now to [TS]

00:18:18   your point I'm gonna take a slightly [TS]

00:18:20   different point of view on this but but [TS]

00:18:21   here's the problem is that i think the [TS]

00:18:23   same fucking reason that people don't [TS]

00:18:25   use turn signals these people should not [TS]

00:18:27   be allowed to drive if they don't use [TS]

00:18:29   turn signals turn signals do not make [TS]

00:18:30   you weak [TS]

00:18:32   well maybe in your case because you're [TS]

00:18:33   clearly doing some secret work that we [TS]

00:18:34   probably can't get into but you don't [TS]

00:18:36   want to turn your turn to sing along if [TS]

00:18:37   you feel like you're being followed no [TS]

00:18:38   no but you know it's a distraction or [TS]

00:18:40   depression energy never turn it on [TS]

00:18:42   that's it that's a rookie mistake [TS]

00:18:43   sometimes you can turn it the wrong way [TS]

00:18:45   be in the wrong lane and no way to get [TS]

00:18:47   over i got into this situation the other [TS]

00:18:48   day I was coming to to I came to an [TS]

00:18:51   intersection where no one ever uses [TS]

00:18:53   their turn signal because it's one of [TS]

00:18:55   those uh it's an intersection where the [TS]

00:18:57   the arterial route makes a free left [TS]

00:19:01   right nobody goes straight there because [TS]

00:19:04   it's a dead end so it's an arterial but [TS]

00:19:06   the but it's a turn a left hand turn and [TS]

00:19:08   I'm coming to this intersection i'm at [TS]

00:19:10   this intersection every day no one ever [TS]

00:19:12   uses their terms so I arrived here and [TS]

00:19:15   there is a taxi coming at a right angle [TS]

00:19:19   to me and I just assumed he was gonna [TS]

00:19:24   make the left and pulled out in front of [TS]

00:19:26   him and he said it was a taxi that was [TS]

00:19:30   the didn't know the neighborhood that [TS]

00:19:31   was looking for an address down that [TS]

00:19:33   dead-end Road and he he was from a [TS]

00:19:37   retrail and he made some eritrea and [TS]

00:19:41   gesture with his hands and his forehead [TS]

00:19:44   and his hair just like what is wrong [TS]

00:19:47   with your brain and he like he put he [TS]

00:19:50   put his both hands in his hair and [TS]

00:19:52   pulled his [TS]

00:19:53   they're straight up in the air like your [TS]

00:19:55   brain is is like in your hair [TS]

00:19:58   I think was what I think that was mayor [TS]

00:20:00   sorghum be consumed by rats and I was so [TS]

00:20:04   like amazed by the gesture like my brain [TS]

00:20:07   is in my hair but that that that it took [TS]

00:20:11   me a second before I realized like oh I [TS]

00:20:13   completely created a traffic accident [TS]

00:20:15   there by assuming that that nobody's [TS]

00:20:18   ever going to use their turn signal here [TS]

00:20:20   and and and i was in the wrong and I [TS]

00:20:22   have to put my foot on the brake and I i [TS]

00:20:24   did a little bow to him and I was like I [TS]

00:20:26   beg your forgiveness [TS]

00:20:28   well god bless you John nice frame is in [TS]

00:20:30   my hair [TS]

00:20:32   they didn't you pick up that gesture [TS]

00:20:34   well what was amazing was it required [TS]

00:20:36   that he put his foot on the brake and [TS]

00:20:38   take both hands off the steering wheel [TS]

00:20:40   and like and give himself like a fright [TS]

00:20:44   like a like an eraser head consistent [TS]

00:20:47   some trying to do in my own two hands d [TS]

00:20:49   just put your is it like a like a [TS]

00:20:51   frustrated make eraserhead hair with [TS]

00:20:53   like you're frustrated [TS]

00:20:54   it happened so fast like his hands went [TS]

00:20:56   up to his forehead like like OMG and [TS]

00:20:59   then zip right up through his hair so [TS]

00:21:01   his hair standing straight up and then [TS]

00:21:03   if he he ended like his dismount was at [TS]

00:21:07   his hands on both sides of his head were [TS]

00:21:09   up in like up in the air like what is [TS]

00:21:11   wrong with you it's always an LMG to a [TS]

00:21:14   WTF OMG too WTF within the middle and [TS]

00:21:18   eraser like an eraser head like fro pic [TS]

00:21:21   that's a fucking great move it was a [TS]

00:21:22   great move and it was not it was not an [TS]

00:21:24   American move it was an African move and [TS]

00:21:27   it was like you sir me because he's [TS]

00:21:30   probably come to an intersection before [TS]

00:21:32   where the where there was a convoy of [TS]

00:21:34   Toyota trucks with the 50 caliber [TS]

00:21:36   machine guns and mounted in the back and [TS]

00:21:38   he probably made that same gesture and [TS]

00:21:40   they were like we spare you [TS]

00:21:42   you live you live today yes so it worked [TS]

00:21:45   again for him [TS]

00:21:46   I just think not being civil to [TS]

00:21:48   strangers does not make you powerful and [TS]

00:21:51   I is unsightly to have to say that but i [TS]

00:21:53   think a lot of people think that if [TS]

00:21:55   you're a gift to the waitress that gives [TS]

00:21:56   us a little bit of power adjustable [TS]

00:21:58   whether good or bad service i'm just [TS]

00:21:59   being addicted just to be a dick [TS]

00:22:01   this is the problem of Bellingham being [TS]

00:22:03   maryland which is that people think that [TS]

00:22:05   when you [TS]

00:22:05   say thank you and they go thank you or [TS]

00:22:08   they say know that they're actually [TS]

00:22:10   being civil when in fact they're being [TS]

00:22:13   cummins that's that's good [TS]

00:22:18   well and know and and it really is true [TS]

00:22:20   it goes for lots of things now the other [TS]

00:22:21   one and this is really probably going [TS]

00:22:23   too far now the compliments when [TS]

00:22:25   sometimes someone will pay me a [TS]

00:22:26   compliment and because of my my horrible [TS]

00:22:29   combination of arrogance and zero [TS]

00:22:31   self-esteem it i will start not [TS]

00:22:34   precisely rejecting it but I end up [TS]

00:22:35   fishing for more compliments because now [TS]

00:22:37   i'm describing why I'm unworthy of that [TS]

00:22:39   and that's something I'm trying really [TS]

00:22:40   hard to stop telling you i'm trying to [TS]

00:22:41   say i think i might have learned this [TS]

00:22:43   from violence on what they call it like [TS]

00:22:45   you say thank you very much thank you [TS]

00:22:47   yeah and they say no problem I fucking [TS]

00:22:49   hit him in the balls [TS]

00:22:50   well in those situations this is what I [TS]

00:22:52   learned from my brother Bart in those [TS]

00:22:54   situations where someone is [TS]

00:22:55   complimenting you for something for a [TS]

00:22:56   performance that you just did or [TS]

00:22:58   something that you that your instinct is [TS]

00:23:01   to say you know what actually like [TS]

00:23:03   people come up to me up right after a [TS]

00:23:04   show there like that was amazing and [TS]

00:23:07   four years my response to that was [TS]

00:23:09   actually it was a shit storm and the [TS]

00:23:13   fact that you liked it means that you [TS]

00:23:15   don't have any taste because my feeling [TS]

00:23:18   when I walk off of stages is generally [TS]

00:23:21   like I'm running down all the ways that [TS]

00:23:23   i fuck Rihanna does that I don't think [TS]

00:23:25   she does [TS]

00:23:26   yeah I and and I would you know I would [TS]

00:23:28   come off the stage and people would [TS]

00:23:30   crowd around me like that was into that [TS]

00:23:31   was the greatest show ever and I'd be [TS]

00:23:32   like actually it was in the bottom two [TS]

00:23:35   percent of all shows ever performed by [TS]

00:23:37   human being and what would happen is [TS]

00:23:40   these people would be like crestfallen [TS]

00:23:42   because not only did I not accept their [TS]

00:23:45   compliments but i but i abused them it'd [TS]

00:23:47   be easier than the matrix he said think [TS]

00:23:50   they realize you know what that actually [TS]

00:23:51   wasn't that good [TS]

00:23:52   yeah and then an hour later after i [TS]

00:23:54   processed after I've been through my my [TS]

00:23:56   my old process I realized like on that [TS]

00:23:59   show is pretty good why did I just [TS]

00:24:00   abused all those people and my brother [TS]

00:24:02   Bart was standing around after show this [TS]

00:24:03   years ago I haven't done this same sense [TS]

00:24:06   my twenties be standing around after [TS]

00:24:08   showing he heard me do that like say to [TS]

00:24:10   somebody like uh no actually that was a [TS]

00:24:13   doesn't it was basically a puddle of [TS]

00:24:16   vomit but [TS]

00:24:17   I'm glad you came paid your ticket I [TS]

00:24:20   stressful weekend Bart walked up to me [TS]

00:24:23   and he said John don't take the pleasure [TS]

00:24:26   of the show away from people [TS]

00:24:28   if you can't accept their call [TS]

00:24:29   compliment just say I'm glad you enjoyed [TS]

00:24:31   it and I was like I'm glad you enjoyed [TS]

00:24:35   it [TS]

00:24:36   I'm glad you enjoyed it and I walked [TS]

00:24:39   around for a week or two practicing that [TS]

00:24:40   I'm glad you enjoyed it and that that [TS]

00:24:44   accepts them a little bit big city but [TS]

00:24:49   you know what i mean it is a way of [TS]

00:24:50   getting if if you cannot in that moment [TS]

00:24:53   accept the compliment you can Li see [TS]

00:24:56   that's your fallback you can at least [TS]

00:24:58   say okay I'm glad you enjoyed it [TS]

00:25:01   stressing again with just a tiny bit [TS]

00:25:02   more stress on you i'm glad you [TS]

00:25:05   yeah I'm glad you enjoyed it and now [TS]

00:25:08   it's a different sentence it really is [TS]

00:25:10   but I mean if you can just if you could [TS]

00:25:12   just like put your make your face into a [TS]

00:25:14   mask and say I'm glad you enjoyed it [TS]

00:25:15   it's it gets you through that first hour [TS]

00:25:19   after a show where I want you to die [TS]

00:25:21   because you came to my show I want my [TS]

00:25:24   audience to die I want them to choke on [TS]

00:25:26   their enjoyment of my shit I can't [TS]

00:25:28   believe you people have I can't believe [TS]

00:25:29   you people saw that whole thing and [TS]

00:25:30   didn't leave [TS]

00:25:31   exactly i might be on on a slow prius [TS]

00:25:34   right to bellingham him with this one [TS]

00:25:36   but I i think where it's possible and [TS]

00:25:38   this is a little bit of civility and [TS]

00:25:40   this may be getting a little little too [TS]

00:25:42   far but I i think if it's at all [TS]

00:25:45   possible to pay repay kindness with [TS]

00:25:48   another kindness then that's not bad so [TS]

00:25:50   in that situation I think another one [TS]

00:25:51   might be [TS]

00:25:52   hey thanks and thanks for coming to the [TS]

00:25:53   show yeah but that's not my style know [TS]

00:25:57   that feels a little bit like that feels [TS]

00:26:00   a little bit like a pet like a pat on [TS]

00:26:01   the ass [TS]

00:26:02   hey thanks i think i think it goes [TS]

00:26:05   beyond the improv thing I thinking when [TS]

00:26:07   we're in conversations with people i [TS]

00:26:09   think we should always try and do more [TS]

00:26:10   than fifty percent not of the talking [TS]

00:26:12   necessarily but of the of the propelling [TS]

00:26:13   the conversation and you have used to [TS]

00:26:15   okay yeah i mean it's like any kind of [TS]

00:26:17   communication and kind of a job any kind [TS]

00:26:18   of thing you do if you want it to be [TS]

00:26:20   good you should be [TS]

00:26:21   however many and people are involved you [TS]

00:26:23   should be dedicated to doing much more [TS]

00:26:25   than one end of the work whether using [TS]

00:26:27   on a party or whatever [TS]

00:26:28   although when somebody once I've seen [TS]

00:26:30   this happen with you when somebody says [TS]

00:26:32   something that sticks in your craw you [TS]

00:26:34   roll up the drawbridge what like what [TS]

00:26:37   you would mean you don't get micro [TS]

00:26:39   doesn't get stuck very often but [TS]

00:26:41   sometimes somebody will say something [TS]

00:26:42   where you're like oh really and then [TS]

00:26:44   then you go into that mode of like 100 [TS]

00:26:47   percent of the conversation is on you [TS]

00:26:49   now [TS]

00:26:50   oh oh no John this is this is my watch [TS]

00:26:52   you and watch you squirm on the end of [TS]

00:26:55   the balloon maybe Batman but i am very [TS]

00:26:57   good thing Robin I can do my own versus [TS]

00:26:59   somebody needs to be corrected [TS]

00:27:01   I just want to get clear to our [TS]

00:27:02   listeners John helps it way more people [TS]

00:27:04   than me but i have i have helped the [TS]

00:27:06   fuck out of a lot of people who needed [TS]

00:27:08   it i believe it often by showing them a [TS]

00:27:10   slightly lower pay that they might be [TS]

00:27:11   more comfortable with often often by [TS]

00:27:16   stripping away the niceties our frat [TS]

00:27:18   party [TS]

00:27:18   I think you have you met almost now I [TS]

00:27:22   understand you have to understand that i [TS]

00:27:24   like i like civility I like people being [TS]

00:27:26   nice to each other and I can even put up [TS]

00:27:28   with a certain amount of bullshit [TS]

00:27:30   yes I know you can but but i will not be [TS]

00:27:33   trifled with [TS]

00:27:34   and I will be honest when it comes to [TS]

00:27:35   certain matters i will not be trifled [TS]

00:27:37   with this usually happens when somebody [TS]

00:27:39   thinks I've seen this happen a young man [TS]

00:27:42   you talked about in the hotel lobby [TS]

00:27:44   how ya young man who feels that he is [TS]

00:27:46   very less favorable is at your level and [TS]

00:27:50   he he hears you [TS]

00:27:52   you know here's you suggesting he wants [TS]

00:27:55   to be a part of it and he thinks the way [TS]

00:27:56   in is to insult you immediately as a [TS]

00:28:01   kind of like I'm here I'm here to get [TS]

00:28:04   you to freebies I can play the two [TS]

00:28:06   freebies no problem right [TS]

00:28:08   and the third one the third one the [TS]

00:28:11   third you only get two gloves buddy when [TS]

00:28:13   those are gone [TS]

00:28:15   you better put up those skinny little [TS]

00:28:17   Ivy league-educated 15 years [TS]

00:28:20   yeah no no it's a you know what it is [TS]

00:28:22   though it really is something where I [TS]

00:28:24   feel like I've learned a lot from you [TS]

00:28:26   I've learned that some things not only [TS]

00:28:28   should not but must not be suffered I [TS]

00:28:31   mean I do know what you mean exactly and [TS]

00:28:33   and i think this is this is the problem [TS]

00:28:34   with the societies of ours is that that [TS]

00:28:37   it's ok it's ok to do certain kinds of [TS]

00:28:39   passive-aggressive things [TS]

00:28:41   and then like I'm supposed to sit there [TS]

00:28:42   and go oh that's that's normal when [TS]

00:28:45   clearly you're trying to Telegraph [TS]

00:28:46   something completely different that in [TS]

00:28:49   like this in the secret language of [TS]

00:28:50   yours that I'm suppose your mirror [TS]

00:28:52   whoever is supposed to go on oh yeah [TS]

00:28:54   that's that's cool man you know and that [TS]

00:28:56   will not stand it should not stand this [TS]

00:28:58   is what we owe this kind of say we owe [TS]

00:29:00   this young people young people are such [TS]

00:29:01   a fucking mess today John I really are [TS]

00:29:03   and I mean that you know my sense is [TS]

00:29:05   that they would be less of a mess of [TS]

00:29:07   people would help them the thing about [TS]

00:29:08   you and and I Berlin no problem up [TS]

00:29:15   it's all good it is a trait that was [TS]

00:29:20   thinking about you and I let that not be [TS]

00:29:25   the mean for the show [TS]

00:29:26   stop it now that's never gonna happen [TS]

00:29:28   it's never gave me a shirt i don't know [TS]

00:29:30   you're bigger and they're making fans [TS]

00:29:32   are right now those and some rubber [TS]

00:29:33   gloves that's a minute up and my clothes [TS]

00:29:36   and say here's your future because [TS]

00:29:38   you're not saying your scone [TS]

00:29:40   thank you date rape is that we are [TS]

00:29:44   willing in a hotel lobby or or somewhere [TS]

00:29:46   else in public in a casual encounter [TS]

00:29:48   let's say in a casual encounter with a [TS]

00:29:51   he was even with a stranger [TS]

00:29:52   we are willing to talk about to talk [TS]

00:29:57   about what's behind the curtain we are [TS]

00:29:58   willing to talk about real things in in [TS]

00:30:01   short-term encounters write a lot of [TS]

00:30:04   people keep their short-term encounters [TS]

00:30:06   so greased with you know with seven [TS]

00:30:10   layers of hot butter just because they [TS]

00:30:12   want to get out of there a lot of its [TS]

00:30:14   status butter if there's a lot of status [TS]

00:30:16   butter they just want to they want to [TS]

00:30:18   stay want to they want to get out of [TS]

00:30:20   there with their with like their [TS]

00:30:22   feelings their dignity intact or what [TS]

00:30:24   little dignity they have intact who and [TS]

00:30:26   they're not ever willing to certainly [TS]

00:30:28   not willing to engage a stranger in a [TS]

00:30:31   discussion about what what's behind the [TS]

00:30:33   curtain and so that's where you get all [TS]

00:30:37   this that's why there's just tracks of [TS]

00:30:39   hot butter everywhere we go in the city [TS]

00:30:41   because people are just slathered with [TS]

00:30:43   like what they consider to be social [TS]

00:30:46   lubricant who and what it means is that [TS]

00:30:48   no one is saying anything and they're [TS]

00:30:49   just trying to get home so they can [TS]

00:30:51   masturbate in front of the TV [TS]

00:30:53   god bless you that but that's misplaced [TS]

00:30:54   butter [TS]

00:30:55   it's a that it's a lot of wasted butter [TS]

00:30:57   and you and I will have and I've seen it [TS]

00:31:00   I've seen you do it a million times and [TS]

00:31:01   I do it also every day we will stop we [TS]

00:31:06   will stop what we're doing in the middle [TS]

00:31:07   of a casual encounter and we will say [TS]

00:31:09   something about what is hat what is [TS]

00:31:11   really happening in that moment and if [TS]

00:31:15   you smell the smell BS bestest burning [TS]

00:31:19   as these people try and change gears at [TS]

00:31:22   and you see the looks of this the the [TS]

00:31:25   looks of like electroshock on their face [TS]

00:31:28   because they just slid their own status [TS]

00:31:30   butter because they're butter is there [TS]

00:31:32   butter is useless in this instance you [TS]

00:31:34   know they're here they're literally [TS]

00:31:35   hitting them with their own butter pear [TS]

00:31:37   butter has a counter to a spinning saw [TS]

00:31:40   blade and it and you and I aren't trying [TS]

00:31:43   to do anything except say what's [TS]

00:31:45   happening like okay you're here I'm here [TS]

00:31:47   here's what's happening [TS]

00:31:48   well yeah well yeah but there's like two [TS]

00:31:50   important parts to that apart from the [TS]

00:31:51   societal assistance which is that you [TS]

00:31:54   know your yes there is something else [TS]

00:31:56   going on here and you're not winning at [TS]

00:31:58   this and now we're still friend you are [TS]

00:32:02   about to clearly in front of lots of [TS]

00:32:04   people lose it this because you can't [TS]

00:32:07   you do that kid I used to do exactly [TS]

00:32:09   what you're trying to do right now I [TS]

00:32:11   used to be better at it but now i'm [TS]

00:32:13   really good at showing people what [TS]

00:32:15   they're doing [TS]

00:32:16   never never see I think I've mentioned [TS]

00:32:18   this before but well I think one of my [TS]

00:32:19   all-time favorite movie scenes is in the [TS]

00:32:21   Jose Ferrer version of cyrano de [TS]

00:32:23   bergerac is right with the movie at all [TS]

00:32:26   i'm i'm familiar with the book [TS]

00:32:29   ok well there's a wonderful scene in the [TS]

00:32:30   Jose for it's just fantastic in this [TS]

00:32:32   movie is a great scene at that I think [TS]

00:32:33   towards the very very beginning [TS]

00:32:34   yeah this is where this is where Steve [TS]

00:32:36   Martin meet Holly Hunter its inmates in [TS]

00:32:39   that movie to ask you to Martin is [TS]

00:32:40   flying like a like he's a he's a he's a [TS]

00:32:43   pilot that it puts out forest fires and [TS]

00:32:45   he crashes me sleepless in seattle and [TS]

00:32:47   then he's like he's a ghost but but then [TS]

00:32:50   he has that 156 paces there any put a [TS]

00:32:53   volleyball face on it put it on I didn't [TS]

00:32:55   really watch a lot of movies in the [TS]

00:32:56   eighties but go ahead about your [TS]

00:32:57   services from I think the early fifties [TS]

00:32:59   it's black and white and I think for a [TS]

00:33:02   forward bend [TS]

00:33:02   French French right but you know so [TS]

00:33:04   basically oh well no it's it's you know [TS]

00:33:07   it's a Hollywood movie but it is [TS]

00:33:08   anyhow the party movies starring someone [TS]

00:33:11   named Jose Jose for rare you know c84 [TS]

00:33:14   rare it does he like riding a donkey and [TS]

00:33:16   wearing a sombrero [TS]

00:33:17   I think it's kind of a man of la mancha [TS]

00:33:20   de la Mancha you have actually been to [TS]

00:33:22   la mancha there's really not much going [TS]

00:33:25   on there anyway last year's investigator [TS]

00:33:28   trust okay I'm listening [TS]

00:33:30   it's like the third time this happens [TS]

00:33:31   I'm literally so angry no serious in [TS]

00:33:33   theater he's very displeased with the [TS]

00:33:34   performances basically stops the [TS]

00:33:36   performance and makes fun of this guy [TS]

00:33:37   and he's it's very funny and so this one [TS]

00:33:40   is of course dear sarah has a rather [TS]

00:33:41   prominent nose he's a smart guy cirno is [TS]

00:33:44   very smart and he's the best sword [TS]

00:33:46   swordsman in France and across from [TS]

00:33:48   across the room this dandy says that [TS]

00:33:51   oh he this this man here you know he's [TS]

00:33:53   very arrogant he doesn't have any [TS]

00:33:54   ribbons and better it up and so he walks [TS]

00:33:57   with this guy walks over to see her no [TS]

00:33:59   and he says your nose is rather large [TS]

00:34:02   and she turns to me and goes my nose is [TS]

00:34:06   rather large and a long story short as [TS]

00:34:10   hero says basically says well enlighten [TS]

00:34:13   leicestershire i'm about to kick your [TS]

00:34:15   ass want to copy i'm gonna close up a [TS]

00:34:18   lot while I kick your ass about all the [TS]

00:34:20   ways you could have insulted me better [TS]

00:34:22   and these right moment give you a moment [TS]

00:34:25   to get my rhymes and then he he kicks [TS]

00:34:29   the guy's ass and chosen although all [TS]

00:34:31   the different ways you could have done [TS]

00:34:32   it better and i rarely think about the [TS]

00:34:34   scene from that movie until the asbestos [TS]

00:34:36   starts burning in the butter starts [TS]

00:34:38   melting [TS]

00:34:38   yeah and anyway I you know I think we [TS]

00:34:41   all know that was a great recap of that [TS]

00:34:43   scene who are alive if I made fanart [TS]

00:34:46   yeah i would make some fanart about that [TS]

00:34:48   story remember when steve martin would [TS]

00:34:50   have the arrow through his head but it [TS]

00:34:53   was funny man [TS]

00:34:55   yes that is the deal small details okay [TS]

00:34:57   are you always finding great articles on [TS]

00:35:00   the web you love to read but just don't [TS]

00:35:02   have the time [TS]

00:35:03   instapaper saves webpages for reading [TS]

00:35:05   later for ipad iphone android kindle you [TS]

00:35:08   can read when you're waiting on line [TS]

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00:35:12   in bed you can even read offline great [TS]

00:35:14   for when you're on a plane or the subway [TS]

00:35:16   and don't have an internet connection [TS]

00:35:17   pages are shown without clutter or [TS]

00:35:19   distractions you can adjust the [TS]

00:35:21   text to a comfortable size and fun and [TS]

00:35:23   much more read more and read better by [TS]

00:35:26   reading later with instapaper get it now [TS]

00:35:29   instapaper com or search for instapaper [TS]

00:35:31   in the app store [TS]

00:35:32   hey wait a minute we should always [TS]

00:35:35   should have been talking about Hitler [TS]

00:35:36   this whole time I didn't want to say [TS]

00:35:37   anything but this isn't a little later [TS]

00:35:41   yeah I see the thing I don't go into [TS]

00:35:43   inside baseball here but I couldn't [TS]

00:35:45   decide me how you know what this could [TS]

00:35:46   be a work session for us maybe this is a [TS]

00:35:48   chance to just toss some ideas around [TS]

00:35:49   okay all right now I do you think they [TS]

00:35:52   should really be its own separate [TS]

00:35:53   property with this be a regular featured [TS]

00:35:55   for listeners who who haven't been with [TS]

00:35:58   this place to go back and listen to the [TS]

00:35:59   previous 30-something episodes [TS]

00:36:01   yeah what are you doing while you're [TS]

00:36:02   listening to this episode to start at [TS]

00:36:03   the beginning so coming in at the end of [TS]

00:36:05   a movie [TS]

00:36:05   you can't possibly understand what we're [TS]

00:36:07   talking about yeah unless you go back to [TS]

00:36:09   the original episode where you didn't [TS]

00:36:10   understand what you're talking about and [TS]

00:36:12   listen to 39 episodes where it's not [TS]

00:36:14   really clear what we're talking about [TS]

00:36:15   absolutely the shame of it is you come [TS]

00:36:17   in here a little bit talking about [TS]

00:36:18   Hitler and the punch line that goes date [TS]

00:36:20   rape and that's gonna sound really [TS]

00:36:21   insensitive Uncle Remus jokes [TS]

00:36:23   oh my god that sounds so racist until [TS]

00:36:24   you go back well I made it I made a joke [TS]

00:36:26   about racism the other day here [TS]

00:36:28   yesterday and and the people that were [TS]

00:36:30   on the other where the butt of the joke [TS]

00:36:32   didn't appreciate being called racists [TS]

00:36:33   in jest [TS]

00:36:35   oh really yeah and I was like hey Reb [TS]

00:36:37   calling you racists is funny and they [TS]

00:36:40   were like I don't we don't see how [TS]

00:36:41   that's funny I was like oh well you're [TS]

00:36:43   not very involved it's typical for your [TS]

00:36:48   type [TS]

00:36:49   it really is for your type of people [TS]

00:36:51   that's right yes well I was not a very [TS]

00:36:53   clean [TS]

00:36:54   um I feel like we'll see my instinct is [TS]

00:36:58   that we should have a completely [TS]

00:37:00   separate podcast that we do once a week [TS]

00:37:02   we're always talking about Hitler but [TS]

00:37:04   you're feeling like you're feeling like [TS]

00:37:06   if we if we have a whole separate [TS]

00:37:09   podcast but that's gonna that's gonna [TS]

00:37:11   split our listenership and all the [TS]

00:37:13   people who just want to hear about [TS]

00:37:14   Hitler are going to listen to that and [TS]

00:37:15   they're gonna stop listening to our main [TS]

00:37:17   podcast where we help people possibly [TS]

00:37:21   that is that is certainly one angle it [TS]

00:37:23   so what we in business development of [TS]

00:37:24   cannibalization and and and and I feel [TS]

00:37:27   like I want to grow the property more [TS]

00:37:28   great property thank you know I i think [TS]

00:37:32   it's i think it could be perfectly good [TS]

00:37:33   i gotta tell you just [TS]

00:37:35   just went through my head theme music [TS]

00:37:36   with tubas oh that's nice for you know [TS]

00:37:40   you know we could do a what [TS]

00:37:42   normally when you call and you say our i [TS]

00:37:45   say hello and you say hi John and then I [TS]

00:37:47   go hi Marla no don't say please don't [TS]

00:37:50   say please [TS]

00:37:51   what if i said no secret I'll not West [TS]

00:37:57   Sieg what does that mean big Sputnik the [TS]

00:38:02   different therapies blood missile f-111 [TS]

00:38:05   what is see that's a good question Sieg [TS]

00:38:08   means the keyboard [TS]

00:38:11   everything's well it's a river to river [TS]

00:38:16   it ran north rhine-westphalia let's see [TS]

00:38:19   see how okay i think i misspelled it [TS]

00:38:25   translate from siu g OC I did the [TS]

00:38:29   classic andrew has eif4e except when [TS]

00:38:32   you're invading Poland the victorious [TS]

00:38:34   healing that doesn't sound right [TS]

00:38:36   sync I'll you know I bet you know they [TS]

00:38:39   got those laws they got a lot of laws in [TS]

00:38:40   Germany about about talking to Stacy [TS]

00:38:42   kyle is all kinds of stuff you can't do [TS]

00:38:44   well now i know i know at the far end of [TS]

00:38:46   the continuum not allowed to like we're [TS]

00:38:47   swastikas I don't think you'll have to [TS]

00:38:49   sell swastika is you're probably not [TS]

00:38:50   allowed to collect swastika you're not [TS]

00:38:52   you're not allowed to have a website [TS]

00:38:53   that talks about collecting swastikas [TS]

00:38:55   food i think that feels a little bit [TS]

00:38:58   like a red herring [TS]

00:39:00   well it is it's the it's the old thing [TS]

00:39:02   amiss that we have this happens in [TS]

00:39:03   America all the time which is the [TS]

00:39:05   assumption that racists and bigots are [TS]

00:39:09   as hung up on language and words as [TS]

00:39:13   liberal intellectuals who so liberal [TS]

00:39:16   intellectuals think that if they can [TS]

00:39:18   erase the word they will erase the [TS]

00:39:20   bigotry but bigots and racists really [TS]

00:39:24   aren't they don't care about words so [TS]

00:39:26   much bigots and racists if you if you [TS]

00:39:28   say you can no longer say the word [TS]

00:39:30   nigger who gets will they will happily [TS]

00:39:33   say the word urban instead it will raise [TS]

00:39:39   their eyebrows and smirk and they'll say [TS]

00:39:41   it's an urban problem might not have [TS]

00:39:44   don't imagine for a minute that they're [TS]

00:39:45   not mentally transliterating that was it [TS]

00:39:47   forward oh absolutely and they they know [TS]

00:39:49   that all their friends know exactly what [TS]

00:39:51   they're saying but they have people [TS]

00:39:53   identified it so that it's now shows [TS]

00:39:56   socially acceptable and they can say the [TS]

00:39:58   exact same racist crap crap crap you [TS]

00:40:00   know clapper clap clap they can say the [TS]

00:40:04   exact same stuff on television and it's [TS]

00:40:06   and it's acceptable now it's it is just [TS]

00:40:09   as racist at its core but they've [TS]

00:40:11   changed the word and you know and the [TS]

00:40:13   Liberals pat themselves on the back and [TS]

00:40:15   say well we're making a real difference [TS]

00:40:16   here and it's and you know and there is [TS]

00:40:19   nothing more there's nothing more [TS]

00:40:20   liberal than modern Germany there really [TS]

00:40:23   isn't especially in terms of like what [TS]

00:40:26   you get like vacation time and there's [TS]

00:40:28   all kinds of ways [TS]

00:40:29   i'm sorry mr. clean politics but also in [TS]

00:40:31   pop policy about things like economics [TS]

00:40:33   right i mean in time I mean mentally [TS]

00:40:35   intellectually germany is a modern [TS]

00:40:38   liberal democracy and they do all this [TS]

00:40:41   type of they do all this type of over [TS]

00:40:43   thinking of stuff but nationalism has [TS]

00:40:45   not gone away ingredients in it like [TS]

00:40:48   exploding in Greece right now it's [TS]

00:40:49   exploding all over Europe because [TS]

00:40:51   nationalism is what happens when people [TS]

00:40:53   feel like when when when stupid people [TS]

00:40:55   don't understand what's happening [TS]

00:40:56   anymore if nationalism is what is the [TS]

00:40:59   result of it when people that don't read [TS]

00:41:01   books feel like people that are reading [TS]

00:41:02   books are are stepping on their their [TS]

00:41:05   necks you get nationalism also with [TS]

00:41:09   farmers well yeah and immigrants now [TS]

00:41:12   you've been you've been to Germany more [TS]

00:41:17   than once right [TS]

00:41:18   I've been to Germany 100 million times [TS]

00:41:20   um I'm curious about how that works in [TS]

00:41:24   practice because I had a I had a rebound [TS]

00:41:27   girl friend who was German she's very [TS]

00:41:29   young she's brilliant Germans she's 20 [TS]

00:41:33   and six feet tall [TS]

00:41:34   yeah they feel very strongly about [TS]

00:41:36   things in the Germans to well I e [TS]

00:41:38   sitting there bars and they will spilled [TS]

00:41:41   beer on you and tell you all the reasons [TS]

00:41:42   in America is stupid [TS]

00:41:44   well here's the thing now she was from [TS]

00:41:46   very far as she was from a place called [TS]

00:41:48   pass out which was looking right at it [TS]

00:41:51   was like it was like in stripes i think [TS]

00:41:53   when they were all the tanks when [TS]

00:41:55   everybody was right the tank i think the [TS]

00:41:56   hobby [TS]

00:41:57   nice i mean it was basically [TS]

00:41:58   Czechoslovakia more than mr. but she was [TS]

00:42:00   too young to remember before the war [TS]

00:42:03   well here's the thing I remember I mean [TS]

00:42:05   before the wall [TS]

00:42:06   I know now I mean that should keep them [TS]

00:42:09   alive for that this is like a you know [TS]

00:42:11   over a decade ago [TS]

00:42:12   OIC this is back in the day you know I [TS]

00:42:14   didn't have been waiting for 15 years [TS]

00:42:16   but I'm starting out about the arm but [TS]

00:42:19   the thing about the thing about this was [TS]

00:42:21   though is it [TS]

00:42:22   I don't think I went super crazy with [TS]

00:42:23   the other stuff but but when you're when [TS]

00:42:25   you're a provocative man in his thirties [TS]

00:42:27   with the 20-year old german girl its get [TS]

00:42:29   was going to come up of course and she [TS]

00:42:31   cry oh she would cry so two things about [TS]

00:42:35   her she refused to tip for anything [TS]

00:42:36   because she was German right when she [TS]

00:42:38   was super duper sensitive about even [TS]

00:42:41   getting anywhere near world war two in [TS]

00:42:44   general you know what I mean it's like [TS]

00:42:46   it really is like that Fawlty Towers [TS]

00:42:47   thing you know what don't mention the [TS]

00:42:49   war it was it was absolutely like that [TS]

00:42:50   and she would she would burst into tears [TS]

00:42:52   and and talk about like you know people [TS]

00:42:54   understanding like what a sensitive [TS]

00:42:56   issue that was on that's obviously and [TS]

00:42:58   rehearsing specifically I wasn't there [TS]

00:43:00   it's not my fault which I get right but [TS]

00:43:03   you know still it's very embarrassing [TS]

00:43:05   but you know is it like that I guess [TS]

00:43:08   what I'm asking you is it was at your [TS]

00:43:09   impression when you were there you don't [TS]

00:43:10   you just walk around and ask questions [TS]

00:43:11   like like you know what your crap on the [TS]

00:43:13   SS or something like that [TS]

00:43:15   sure you do I you you or lots of people [TS]

00:43:20   I i don't know if it's part of like [TS]

00:43:22   other people's tourist experience i'm [TS]

00:43:24   not sure if it's one of those tour buses [TS]

00:43:26   pulls up into the square and in the [TS]

00:43:28   guide sent to the front of the bus and [TS]

00:43:30   says okay everybody we're here and now [TS]

00:43:33   we're here and pass out now as you walk [TS]

00:43:34   around make sure you ask if anybody's [TS]

00:43:36   uncle was in the SS this struggle is a [TS]

00:43:38   great is it true that the gauges had to [TS]

00:43:40   wear shoe triangles my dick and yellow [TS]

00:43:44   and black ones were troublemakers is [TS]

00:43:47   that right i love talking about world [TS]

00:43:50   war two and the advantages to know what [TS]

00:43:51   I said you know about all this you can [TS]

00:43:53   get a bar if you're a troublemaker you [TS]

00:43:54   know that course of course I knew that [TS]

00:43:56   this team talking to modern Germans [TS]

00:44:00   about world war two and Hitler is a [TS]

00:44:02   fascinating exercise because everybody [TS]

00:44:05   there has a different feeling about it [TS]

00:44:06   and everybody has a different family [TS]

00:44:08   history [TS]

00:44:09   you know it's it is a nation that at [TS]

00:44:12   least for the last 50 years has been [TS]

00:44:14   processing that experience every day [TS]

00:44:18   every person in that country is [TS]

00:44:19   processing that experience every day [TS]

00:44:21   even the ones who are like it's not my [TS]

00:44:23   fault i don't want to think about it [TS]

00:44:24   they are processing it every day and [TS]

00:44:28   each interaction that happens in germany [TS]

00:44:30   between two Germans it's it's there in [TS]

00:44:33   the room with them are you kidding [TS]

00:44:35   not at all so it's a city like anything [TS]

00:44:38   at least once a day it goes to [TS]

00:44:39   somebody's mine [TS]

00:44:40   absolutely so that's a lot you walk [TS]

00:44:42   around with when you bring it up with [TS]

00:44:44   people there you are acknowledging the [TS]

00:44:47   800-pound gorilla in the room and a lot [TS]

00:44:49   of people are relieved because it [TS]

00:44:52   relieves the pressure to be able to talk [TS]

00:44:54   about it and you know of course everyone [TS]

00:44:56   has a different experience of women and [TS]

00:44:59   there are young people who feel like [TS]

00:45:01   they're that that everyone in Germany is [TS]

00:45:03   complicit in it and there are a lot of [TS]

00:45:06   people the prevailing wisdom is that you [TS]

00:45:09   know we have a toned and it's a it's [TS]

00:45:13   very complicated you know that after the [TS]

00:45:16   war I mean I walked across Germany right [TS]

00:45:18   i spent on the course I spent two months [TS]

00:45:21   walking through fields and going under [TS]

00:45:25   little stone bridges and back in there [TS]

00:45:28   for the in there deep forests and [TS]

00:45:30   everywhere I was I was looking for that [TS]

00:45:35   that one swastika that someone had not [TS]

00:45:38   shipped off of a bridge abutment because [TS]

00:45:42   when the Nazis were building things they [TS]

00:45:43   built a lot of things and they put [TS]

00:45:44   swastika is all over everything and [TS]

00:45:46   after the war they have gone through [TS]

00:45:49   every inch of that country and chipped [TS]

00:45:52   every little spastic off of every little [TS]

00:45:54   concrete culvert so that their isn't [TS]

00:45:58   they have erased it completely there is [TS]

00:46:00   no you will not find [TS]

00:46:02   [Music] [TS]

00:46:03   a little swastika in the corner [TS]

00:46:06   somewhere in there any Mason's that had [TS]

00:46:08   to undo their own work interesting or [TS]

00:46:11   like seventh level mages somebody but I [TS]

00:46:14   wonder I mean it you're right it was it [TS]

00:46:16   was like FDR to the hundred level there [TS]

00:46:18   was a lot of work to be done in a lot of [TS]

00:46:20   lot of bridges and a lot of what is [TS]

00:46:23   precisions the recent understand this [TS]

00:46:25   and who put those on probably had to [TS]

00:46:26   take it off [TS]

00:46:27   well I don't know a lot of people to put [TS]

00:46:29   them on probably are dead or were dead [TS]

00:46:31   after the war but how can there be ready [TS]

00:46:35   lad ok they were literally low on dudes [TS]

00:46:37   let's say at the end of that war flow-on [TS]

00:46:40   blowin on marriageable men but every [TS]

00:46:43   addict in every home in the country has [TS]

00:46:45   a picture of great-great-grandfather in [TS]

00:46:47   his vermox outfit at the very least and [TS]

00:46:50   I did find one time [TS]

00:46:53   stop me if I've told you the story [TS]

00:46:54   before but I i was in a little i was up [TS]

00:46:57   in the mountains in a little town called [TS]

00:46:59   garment well it's not a little town it's [TS]

00:47:01   actually pretty big town [TS]

00:47:02   garmisch-partenkirchen this is this is [TS]

00:47:05   not the the hunting tuba festival this [TS]

00:47:07   is not the hunting two battalions it [TS]

00:47:08   down in this is down in Bavaria ok I was [TS]

00:47:11   up in the mountains and I was you know [TS]

00:47:13   where hikers the Germans and [TS]

00:47:15   particularly in the Alps I'm hiking [TS]

00:47:18   around its it's in the it's in the Alps [TS]

00:47:20   and I find a little chapel and it's not [TS]

00:47:23   a it's not a chapel where where [TS]

00:47:25   religious services are the Germans have [TS]

00:47:28   all these little these little chapels in [TS]

00:47:30   the forest because in fact they never [TS]

00:47:33   fully abandoned paganism like determines [TS]

00:47:37   have have adopted Christianity and it [TS]

00:47:39   was one of the hotbeds of Christianity [TS]

00:47:41   in the early years but really they're [TS]

00:47:43   still a pagan people and they go out [TS]

00:47:44   into the forest and they worship berries [TS]

00:47:46   and they worship squirrels and they [TS]

00:47:51   worship leaves and dirt they cover [TS]

00:47:54   themselves with pear juice have sex and [TS]

00:47:59   child's no idea how much it's it's [TS]

00:48:01   so they have little chapels everywhere [TS]

00:48:03   you go you're walking out in the forest [TS]

00:48:05   and you're like I've no one has ever [TS]

00:48:06   been here I'm deep in the forest again [TS]

00:48:08   that drew it kind of thing [TS]

00:48:10   yes there will be little and their their [TS]

00:48:12   christian right there's a jesus in them [TS]

00:48:14   there's a there's across and there's [TS]

00:48:15   Jesus but the jesus is draped in pine [TS]

00:48:19   boughs that someone has recently cut [TS]

00:48:22   some forest hunter has come and draped [TS]

00:48:26   the Jesus with pine boughs and made [TS]

00:48:29   flower garlands that are that they drape [TS]

00:48:33   around the Jesus in a very very pagan [TS]

00:48:36   kind of naturalistic offering to the to [TS]

00:48:41   the forest Christ it's a it's a very [TS]

00:48:44   strange thing out there in the woods of [TS]

00:48:46   Germany let me tell you but I found one [TS]

00:48:49   of these forests chapels up on the side [TS]

00:48:51   of the mountain and on the back wall of [TS]

00:48:54   it there were pictures of all of the all [TS]

00:49:01   of the men from the neighboring town [TS]

00:49:03   that had been killed in the war and they [TS]

00:49:05   were all in there in their uniforms and [TS]

00:49:10   they were to stop Oh guys up there and [TS]

00:49:12   there were SS guys up there and there [TS]

00:49:15   were just a lot of work vermox normal [TS]

00:49:17   guys but they all these pictures on the [TS]

00:49:20   back of this Chapel that you wouldn't [TS]

00:49:21   have been able to see it unless you went [TS]

00:49:23   around and you know kind of like push [TS]

00:49:25   your way through the woods whatever here [TS]

00:49:27   was this shrine to the men of the town [TS]

00:49:29   and they all have their flowers draped [TS]

00:49:31   all over these photographs and they were [TS]

00:49:33   there was obviously tended by people [TS]

00:49:36   from the village that was the only [TS]

00:49:38   instance that I ever saw of like a [TS]

00:49:42   public acknowledgement and it by public [TS]

00:49:46   I mean perch on the side of a cliff [TS]

00:49:48   somewhere but still outside of someone's [TS]

00:49:51   home [TS]

00:49:52   let's get this kind of this temple or or [TS]

00:49:55   or mausoleum to these guys these Nazi [TS]

00:50:00   guys [TS]

00:50:01   and instead look for saying for some [TS]

00:50:03   reason I'm thinking about the [TS]

00:50:04   slaughterhouse five and you know Billy [TS]

00:50:06   Billy uh Billy Pilgrim is getting you [TS]

00:50:09   know picked up at the end of the war and [TS]

00:50:10   one of that one of the guys I guess it's [TS]

00:50:13   like what 44 [TS]

00:50:15   yeah I guess 4445 anyway out one of the [TS]

00:50:17   guys whatever it takes one of the guys [TS]

00:50:20   is a very old man in the mopping up [TS]

00:50:23   party and the other one is like a flick [TS]

00:50:25   of fourteen fifteen-year-old kid or [TS]

00:50:26   something [TS]

00:50:27   I mean it got that bad right after after [TS]

00:50:29   44 8 10 12 pages of like 16 and fifty no [TS]

00:50:35   one left [TS]

00:50:37   that's astounding and so you know I said [TS]

00:50:39   I mean like the way this is where we [TS]

00:50:41   really need a separate so for this but I [TS]

00:50:42   mean you know per capita their their [TS]

00:50:45   losses where we r greater than ours in [TS]

00:50:47   terms of losses in in combat you know [TS]

00:50:51   one of the funny things about the story [TS]

00:50:53   of world war two that that it's is it [TS]

00:50:55   never gets told is that after the war of [TS]

00:50:59   course there were Germans before the war [TS]

00:51:01   there were Germans living all through [TS]

00:51:03   what we think of as Poland Czech [TS]

00:51:05   Republic Slovakia Hungary Romania there [TS]

00:51:09   were massive German populations in all [TS]

00:51:13   of Eastern Europe that were historical [TS]

00:51:15   population that had some of them had [TS]

00:51:16   been living some of those areas were [TS]

00:51:19   historically German for 900 years I [TS]

00:51:22   Germans had been living there as the [TS]

00:51:24   resident population surrounded by Slavs [TS]

00:51:27   but it was a German part of Poland read [TS]

00:51:31   it wasn't called Poland then it was you [TS]

00:51:33   know pressure or the Germans colonized [TS]

00:51:36   all of Eastern Europe and after the war [TS]

00:51:38   all those countries doesn't you know [TS]

00:51:40   newly reconstituted countries they [TS]

00:51:43   wanted the Germans out and it didn't [TS]

00:51:45   matter if they if those German families [TS]

00:51:47   have been living in that part of hungry [TS]

00:51:49   for 900 years they wanted the Germans [TS]

00:51:54   out and so there was a massive exodus [TS]

00:51:58   forced exodus of Germans from all of [TS]

00:52:02   Eastern Europe where they were marched [TS]

00:52:04   back to Germany a place where they had [TS]

00:52:06   never lived place you're talking you're [TS]

00:52:08   not interrupt you but you eat we are not [TS]

00:52:10   talking about the people who are quietly [TS]

00:52:12   relieved [TS]

00:52:13   that that Germany was going to make [TS]

00:52:16   their place more dramatically you're [TS]

00:52:17   talking about like a force like what a [TS]

00:52:19   Stalinist I like relocation like we've [TS]

00:52:22   got to go back we're being forcibly [TS]

00:52:23   repatriated the southeasterly [TS]

00:52:25   repatriated back to Germany a place [TS]

00:52:27   where you have never lived an [TS]

00:52:29   accelerating rate their parents never [TS]

00:52:31   yeah you've been living in Hungary [TS]

00:52:33   albeit speaking German but living in [TS]

00:52:37   hungry for you know your family has been [TS]

00:52:39   here since that is really ambitious seen [TS]

00:52:41   hundred and you are out now you are gone [TS]

00:52:44   and they marched what ended up being [TS]

00:52:47   like a million people uh villagers [TS]

00:52:51   basically like march them back to [TS]

00:52:53   Germany and they all arrived in Germany [TS]

00:52:55   which was completely bombed out [TS]

00:52:57   resourceless smoking hole of like war [TS]

00:53:04   rubble and then office and all these [TS]

00:53:06   other people showed up who had never [TS]

00:53:08   lived a day of their lives in germany [TS]

00:53:10   and they're like well hi purple we're [TS]

00:53:13   here to you got room got room at the [TS]

00:53:16   bombed-out in for us and our and my six [TS]

00:53:18   kids whatever it was a it was it's a [TS]

00:53:20   thing that it's part of the world war [TS]

00:53:22   two stories doesn't get old because all [TS]

00:53:24   the people that got hurt in that war [TS]

00:53:26   like the some little like burgermeister [TS]

00:53:29   from Hungary that had to walk back to [TS]

00:53:32   Germany is like it's pretty small [TS]

00:53:34   potatoes considering what else was [TS]

00:53:35   happening in 1946 and but in fact [TS]

00:53:37   there's like a million people being [TS]

00:53:40   forced marched back to a country that [TS]

00:53:42   they've never that they never lived in [TS]

00:53:44   its it's one of the like untold stories [TS]

00:53:46   what do you know about down i think we [TS]

00:53:48   might miss this for what you know about [TS]

00:53:50   the but what they now call it you know [TS]

00:53:52   the fillmore Western dish in japantown [TS]

00:53:54   what do you know about the relocations [TS]

00:53:56   in San Francisco [TS]

00:53:58   yeah you know about that no I mean and [TS]

00:54:02   this is something i should probably bone [TS]

00:54:03   up on for the official Hitler and stuff [TS]

00:54:04   but there used to be a you know a large [TS]

00:54:08   Japanese population ocean in japantown [TS]

00:54:11   and but but also you know moving into [TS]

00:54:14   what has become to call you know the [TS]

00:54:15   western addition which is really kind of [TS]

00:54:17   the westernmost part as its name implies [TS]

00:54:19   of San Francisco for a long time right [TS]

00:54:21   and but the way I understand it is that [TS]

00:54:24   at the time they started [TS]

00:54:26   the what's called the interment like you [TS]

00:54:31   know a lot of people get sent to like [TS]

00:54:32   fucking Arizona you know they were sent [TS]

00:54:35   to these really far away places on the [TS]

00:54:36   middle of nowhere angel island out in [TS]

00:54:38   the middle of San Francisco Bay is where [TS]

00:54:41   like a whole bunch of japanese people [TS]

00:54:42   had to go and live for several years [TS]

00:54:43   they lived there where they were there [TS]

00:54:45   as a part of a relocation where they [TS]

00:54:47   eventually were sent airzone actually [TS]

00:54:50   lived on angel island [TS]

00:54:51   I believe that's the case I think [TS]

00:54:53   there's am there's like a visitor center [TS]

00:54:56   there's like a whole historic thing out [TS]

00:55:00   there ya go google it [TS]

00:55:01   um but yeah pretty bad news but the [TS]

00:55:05   story goes that a lot of their homes [TS]

00:55:09   were basically they were sent to angel [TS]

00:55:12   island and in their homes were placed a [TS]

00:55:14   lot of people who are going to work in [TS]

00:55:15   the factories which has it happened [TS]

00:55:17   where a lot of african-american people [TS]

00:55:18   so they pushed out a hostage ethics [TS]

00:55:21   people gave their homes over to the i'm [TS]

00:55:23   sorry i'm using the term I don't like to [TS]

00:55:25   eat in the black Negro people and and [TS]

00:55:28   they worked in the the shipyards and all [TS]

00:55:31   that and then after those jobs went away [TS]

00:55:32   it kind of turned into a slum because [TS]

00:55:34   those jobs weren't there anymore and it [TS]

00:55:36   was like the Japanese people got to come [TS]

00:55:38   back and claim their house again right [TS]

00:55:40   it's just it's it's pretty amazing the [TS]

00:55:42   kind of shit that goes on in a war and [TS]

00:55:43   depending on who won and who gets to put [TS]

00:55:45   up the plaques you notice that you never [TS]

00:55:47   find out about to start entering the [TS]

00:55:50   Civil War certainly during the Civil War [TS]

00:55:51   that's absolutely just true as well [TS]

00:55:53   well as my as my high school AP history [TS]

00:55:55   teacher said some families are still [TS]

00:55:56   fighting the Civil War [TS]

00:55:58   yeah he was an idiot yeah the japantown [TS]

00:56:01   in seattle was similarly decimated and [TS]

00:56:06   then after the war they it had it also [TS]

00:56:09   become kind of a shantytown and they [TS]

00:56:13   tore it down to build one of the very [TS]

00:56:15   first public housing projects in America [TS]

00:56:19   on the site of Seattle's you know like [TS]

00:56:23   historic hundred-year-old japantown and [TS]

00:56:26   the Japanese of the of the Pacific [TS]

00:56:28   Northwest did return to the city but [TS]

00:56:31   they didn't want to live in japan town [TS]

00:56:32   anymore and they moved out to the [TS]

00:56:33   suburbs [TS]

00:56:34   so anyway that became a public housing [TS]

00:56:36   project called a Rainier Vista and then [TS]

00:56:42   when they were building the freeway [TS]

00:56:43   course they plowed the freeway right [TS]

00:56:46   through there because that was nobody [TS]

00:56:50   was gonna fight for that and so what [TS]

00:56:52   used to be japantown is now basically [TS]

00:56:54   just spits just a sinkhole where where [TS]

00:56:59   the freeway runs hardy pretty sad story [TS]

00:57:02   my dad you know my dad of course grew up [TS]

00:57:04   in Seattle and she all of many of his [TS]

00:57:07   friends in the thirties were Japanese [TS]

00:57:09   and I I used one with my dad when we had [TS]

00:57:13   a funeral for my dad here in Seattle it [TS]

00:57:14   was in a up the up the lobby of a big [TS]

00:57:17   hotel and I published a obituary for him [TS]

00:57:20   in the newspaper because I knew that a [TS]

00:57:22   lot of these guys were out there that [TS]

00:57:25   there wasn't anywhere any other way to [TS]

00:57:26   reach him but like but I put a big [TS]

00:57:27   obituary in the paper and they the [TS]

00:57:29   newspaper wrote an article about him and [TS]

00:57:30   so were at his funeral service and all [TS]

00:57:34   these little old dudes start walking in [TS]

00:57:36   these little 88-year old Japanese guys [TS]

00:57:41   that are and they're all about four foot [TS]

00:57:44   eleven and I'm walking around I'm like [TS]

00:57:47   Hello you know I'm John Roderick i'm [TS]

00:57:49   david Roderick's kid and these guys are [TS]

00:57:51   like oh god your dad was such a good [TS]

00:57:55   basketball player that and my dad would [TS]

00:58:00   tell the stories where he went to [TS]

00:58:02   Broadway high school in Seattle which is [TS]

00:58:04   since been turned into a community [TS]

00:58:05   college but he said Broadway high school [TS]

00:58:08   was undefeated in basketball because we [TS]

00:58:10   had all the Japanese students and the [TS]

00:58:11   Japanese were the absolute best [TS]

00:58:15   basketball players in the city and my [TS]

00:58:18   educating me most of my dad's closest [TS]

00:58:21   friends were either Jews or Japanese [TS]

00:58:24   this is before the war and so when when [TS]

00:58:27   the Pearl Harbor was bombed [TS]

00:58:30   dad used to tell the story he went down [TS]

00:58:33   to japan town to visit a friend of his [TS]

00:58:37   and he showed up at the house and they [TS]

00:58:39   were being forced to sell all of their [TS]

00:58:44   stuff have I told you this story know [TS]

00:58:45   and my dad sits in the living room and [TS]

00:58:49   his friends mom is standing in the [TS]

00:58:51   doorway and a and a 0 a white guy cums [TS]

00:58:54   you know in a fedora and walk through [TS]

00:58:56   the house like he owns the place and he [TS]

00:58:59   says I'll give you five dollars for the [TS]

00:59:00   refrigerator and his friends mommys like [TS]

00:59:04   it's a brand new refrigerator you know [TS]

00:59:05   it cost sixty dollars or something that [TS]

00:59:08   guys like well today is worth five bucks [TS]

00:59:09   and they were like okay five bucks five [TS]

00:59:13   and this guy gonna walk to their house [TS]

00:59:15   and he buys all their stuff all their [TS]

00:59:17   furniture and their new appliances and [TS]

00:59:20   just as paying them like insulting money [TS]

00:59:22   that is kind of insulting about it and [TS]

00:59:24   my dad is 19 years old and sitting there [TS]

00:59:27   in his basketball shoes just furious [TS]

00:59:30   just wanted to punch this guy in the [TS]

00:59:31   face but the his friends and their [TS]

00:59:35   family was they were being like put on a [TS]

00:59:39   train and sent out to central California [TS]

00:59:42   where they were going to live in a camp [TS]

00:59:43   for the rest of the war and my dad went [TS]

00:59:45   down and enlisted in the Navy and was [TS]

00:59:48   sent to fight the Japanese and hit [TS]

00:59:52   throughout the whole war he's having [TS]

00:59:55   this very common and something that's [TS]

00:59:56   what I think specific to the Pacific [TS]

00:59:58   coast this [TS]

00:59:58   coast this [TS]

01:00:00   you know these guys who grew up with [TS]

01:00:01   Japanese in there the Nisei were there [TS]

01:00:04   where tightest bros and they did not [TS]

01:00:07   they did not have that same feeling that [TS]

01:00:09   I think a lot of Americans have that the [TS]

01:00:11   Japanese were dehumanized or we're like [TS]

01:00:13   this alien Thorin people my dad was like [TS]

01:00:16   my friends sister but these are my guys [TS]

01:00:19   these guys are great basketball players [TS]

01:00:21   I mean they're not tall guys but I [TS]

01:00:23   really you know they take it to the net [TS]

01:00:25   so the rest of his life it anyway [TS]

01:00:30   sitting in his funeral and watching all [TS]

01:00:32   these little guys come in and like stand [TS]

01:00:34   around and especially given this it had [TS]

01:00:36   you known about this basketball stuff [TS]

01:00:38   before [TS]

01:00:40   oh yeah he talked about his whole life [TS]

01:00:42   you know that but you also never shot a [TS]

01:00:44   zero out of the sky was 45 there in my [TS]

01:00:46   dental stories but in fact like like [TS]

01:00:51   like a lot of men in my family if you [TS]

01:00:53   start to doubt that those stories are [TS]

01:00:54   true then I'll a guy will walk in off [TS]

01:00:58   the street and be like oh absolutely i [TS]

01:01:00   watched your dad shoots zero down with a [TS]

01:01:01   45 like I i waited my whole life for [TS]

01:01:03   that guy to come in and say like yeah [TS]

01:01:05   sure I saw it happen because his stories [TS]

01:01:08   were constantly confirmed by you know by [TS]

01:01:11   independent sources by these weird [TS]

01:01:12   situations where but I did not expect [TS]

01:01:14   that many that many i didn't expect that [TS]

01:01:19   many of these guys to still be alive but [TS]

01:01:21   let alone that they would all come in [TS]

01:01:22   and talk about talk about seattle before [TS]

01:01:25   the war you know and that they all were [TS]

01:01:28   the that either either they went into [TS]

01:01:30   the army or they spent the war in camps [TS]

01:01:33   and they came back to Seattle afterwards [TS]

01:01:35   and started really you know started [TS]

01:01:38   their businesses up again and [TS]

01:01:40   it's something soon I'm sure that much [TS]

01:01:43   of it is I mean I have done I I again [TS]

01:01:45   I'm not consider and surf the internet [TS]

01:01:47   for this but supposedly in a lot of the [TS]

01:01:48   camp's they sit around like make fucking [TS]

01:01:50   American flags [TS]

01:01:51   yeah there-there there-there are [TS]

01:01:53   patriotism was if you like unflagging [TS]

01:01:55   it's just that's my blanket but like [TS]

01:01:58   even the thing is you it's like this [TS]

01:02:00   before but when you first see color [TS]

01:02:01   photos of World War two [TS]

01:02:03   it changes completely because it looks [TS]

01:02:04   like pictures of vietnam in the sense [TS]

01:02:06   that when you see a bunch of guys energy [TS]

01:02:09   is in the jungle in color it looks so [TS]

01:02:12   different and so much more [TS]

01:02:14   that sounds silly but it seems so much [TS]

01:02:15   more real your father having first-hand [TS]

01:02:18   experience of of dealing with people [TS]

01:02:21   with japanese ppl makes that such a [TS]

01:02:23   complicated thing I think for a lot of [TS]

01:02:25   people what we're too is this high [TS]

01:02:28   contrast black and white war in every [TS]

01:02:30   conceivable sense where I you know you [TS]

01:02:32   see pictures of Hitler up there you're [TS]

01:02:34   sending pictures of Hitler practicing [TS]

01:02:35   you know you talk about practicing at to [TS]

01:02:38   sign the his moves he would practice his [TS]

01:02:41   moves and have people photograph and [TS]

01:02:43   then pick out which of his like [TS]

01:02:44   stentorian speaking moves be most [TS]

01:02:46   effective that's what you see but go [TS]

01:02:50   listen to something like this is there's [TS]

01:02:51   these singers like the comedian harness [TS]

01:02:53   which was this group of like mostly [TS]

01:02:54   Jewish guys you know they were part of [TS]

01:02:56   that whole crazy party scene in like [TS]

01:02:58   Berlin you know you want something like [TS]

01:03:00   forgetting you know cabaret it's it was [TS]

01:03:02   raging and and it's so bizarre to see [TS]

01:03:05   and I thought this was handled well in [TS]

01:03:08   like what's at the adrienne watch [TS]

01:03:10   malayalam movie the piano it's called [TS]

01:03:11   The Pianist don't like appearance just [TS]

01:03:13   that sense of impending downhill pneus [TS]

01:03:16   that you know that like it started out [TS]

01:03:18   it was a real slow burn at first it was [TS]

01:03:20   merely insulting treatment but to know [TS]

01:03:22   that these are people that there were so [TS]

01:03:23   many people who are wealthy that had [TS]

01:03:26   roots there you know that's me where it [TS]

01:03:29   becomes a staggering is when you take [TS]

01:03:30   the contrast of seeing like newsreel [TS]

01:03:33   footage of people doing the Charleston [TS]

01:03:35   or whatever and sitting around you know [TS]

01:03:37   in expensive clothes and know that those [TS]

01:03:39   people will be dead in like fuckin ten [TS]

01:03:41   years [TS]

01:03:42   what's incredible is that the the [TS]

01:03:44   intellectual life of Europe [TS]

01:03:47   for at least 400 years prior to the 20th [TS]

01:03:52   century was so threaded through with [TS]

01:03:56   Jewish intellectual culture you couldn't [TS]

01:03:58   separate them that the up in the 1700 [TS]

01:04:01   the Germans were already you know [TS]

01:04:03   worried that the Jews were kind of [TS]

01:04:06   getting above their station or whatever [TS]

01:04:09   and there they were always trying to [TS]

01:04:10   make the separation between like this is [TS]

01:04:12   high german culture this is German [TS]

01:04:14   thinking this is German art but the Jews [TS]

01:04:19   and their intellectual culture work were [TS]

01:04:22   already like like a plaid through all of [TS]

01:04:26   like European culture and to think that [TS]

01:04:29   to think that in the 20th century that [TS]

01:04:33   they would still be this idea that you [TS]

01:04:35   could you can eradicate what had what [TS]

01:04:39   was ultimately like a culture that was [TS]

01:04:42   your that was your culture you could not [TS]

01:04:44   separate just as we could not separate [TS]

01:04:45   Jewish culture from American culture now [TS]

01:04:47   all of our culture is hats at ultimately [TS]

01:04:52   when you trace it back to who wrote it [TS]

01:04:54   it was probably a couple of Jewish guys [TS]

01:04:56   in a room somewhere you know there is no [TS]

01:04:58   American there is no 20th century pop [TS]

01:05:03   culture without the Jews without Jewish [TS]

01:05:06   culture he couldn't you can see the way [TS]

01:05:09   to put it right you know what I mean [TS]

01:05:10   there's no television there is no rock [TS]

01:05:12   and roll sure a lot of cool movies we [TS]

01:05:14   wouldn't have you know what I mean [TS]

01:05:15   there's no there is no American [TS]

01:05:17   literature there is no without and i'm [TS]

01:05:20   not saying that they that the the Jews [TS]

01:05:21   are responsible for it all but their [TS]

01:05:24   influence their participation in the in [TS]

01:05:28   the culture you could its inextricable [TS]

01:05:31   and the idea that it's that that it [TS]

01:05:33   ended and this was absolutely true in [TS]

01:05:35   Germany even to a greater extent in the [TS]

01:05:39   seventeen eighteen and nineteen hundreds [TS]

01:05:41   are you know the thoroughly 20th century [TS]

01:05:44   it was just as threaded in their culture [TS]

01:05:48   as it is an hour's the the presence and [TS]

01:05:50   the participation of the Jews and to [TS]

01:05:52   think that there was ever away or just [TS]

01:05:54   to even imagine that it was a separate [TS]

01:05:56   thing [TS]

01:05:57   well that's that that's the really [TS]

01:05:58   bananas things I guess as [TS]

01:06:00   selling an hour then i read about the [TS]

01:06:01   different you know patches in the camps [TS]

01:06:03   and at every stage this is it's it's [TS]

01:06:05   fascinating and incredibly well [TS]

01:06:06   organized how they did this it's really [TS]

01:06:08   bizarre you know they had some for aroma [TS]

01:06:11   they had some for people who and things [TS]

01:06:13   like homosexuals the other pink triangle [TS]

01:06:14   was really any kind of any anybody who [TS]

01:06:17   had become been convicted of a sex crime [TS]

01:06:19   in court with what was specifically just [TS]

01:06:21   like trying to be [TS]

01:06:22   yeah that happened to be mostly mostly [TS]

01:06:23   gay people but i was also pedophiles [TS]

01:06:26   anybody up it could be like man and dog [TS]

01:06:28   lady horses but no but that's what [TS]

01:06:30   that's what I'm trying moment and then [TS]

01:06:31   and green ones they call him the green [TS]

01:06:34   triangles was like the criminals and [TS]

01:06:36   again but then truly and this is like [TS]

01:06:38   happens from a design standpoint you had [TS]

01:06:40   to get a special extra yellow one to [TS]

01:06:41   form a star of david if you were Jewish [TS]

01:06:43   as well [TS]

01:06:44   look how dark is that but everything [TS]

01:06:46   that you see absolutely Jews were [TS]

01:06:47   singled out for special treatment but in [TS]

01:06:49   the same way it would be bananas for us [TS]

01:06:51   to say let's take out all the Jewish [TS]

01:06:52   culture and then call an American well [TS]

01:06:54   what was happening over there [TS]

01:06:55   how do you come up with something that's [TS]

01:06:56   purely German culture how do you take [TS]

01:06:58   out the Dutch component of that how do [TS]

01:07:00   you take out the French component of [TS]

01:07:02   that how do you take out the you know I [TS]

01:07:03   again what is that what's going to be [TS]

01:07:05   left its that you have less than two [TS]

01:07:07   busy at that point it's just it doesn't [TS]

01:07:09   it's it's so bananas that you can get to [TS]

01:07:11   a point where that seem like anything [TS]

01:07:12   sensible interests is crazy now when you [TS]

01:07:14   read it in the newspaper every single [TS]

01:07:16   day there are people talking about [TS]

01:07:18   American culture like it is a monolithic [TS]

01:07:21   thing that they can identify the [TS]

01:07:23   components of and and these other things [TS]

01:07:28   like hispanics or any kind of [TS]

01:07:32   immigration the or or us people out here [TS]

01:07:36   on the west coast with their faggy ways [TS]

01:07:38   and our rock music or whatever it is [TS]

01:07:40   like there are tons and tons of people [TS]

01:07:43   in America that think that there is an [TS]

01:07:44   American culture that is being assaulted [TS]

01:07:46   by all these these terrifying outside [TS]

01:07:51   influences and it's like there is no [TS]

01:07:53   such thing [TS]

01:07:54   the terrifying outside influences are [TS]

01:07:56   absolutely American culture staring you [TS]

01:07:59   in the face [TS]

01:08:01   that's it's a I mean the Germans the [TS]

01:08:04   Germans were so traumatized by Napoleon [TS]

01:08:07   that far back [TS]

01:08:10   although the love that's the story [TS]

01:08:12   starts all the way back the story starts [TS]

01:08:14   with the the Germans fighting the Romans [TS]

01:08:17   but but that the situation with Napoleon [TS]

01:08:21   was that before Napoleon the Germans [TS]

01:08:25   were all there was no central idea of [TS]

01:08:28   what what the Germans were they were it [TS]

01:08:30   was just it was kind of like this this [TS]

01:08:32   idea that this village is full of [TS]

01:08:34   Germans and this village is full of [TS]

01:08:36   these other Germans and this village is [TS]

01:08:37   full of these other Germans and they're [TS]

01:08:39   really more much more concerned with [TS]

01:08:41   bickering over the line between their [TS]

01:08:44   little their little do cheese then they [TS]

01:08:48   are with worry about anybody outside you [TS]

01:08:51   know there that they were not centrally [TS]

01:08:54   there was no central control that was [TS]

01:08:55   pressure there was Austria but there [TS]

01:08:58   were all these little you know has say [TS]

01:09:01   castle principalities and so forth and [TS]

01:09:06   Napoleon came through and just [TS]

01:09:08   absolutely smeared them all the French [TS]

01:09:13   marched in and they subjugated all of [TS]

01:09:16   the Germans and it was really the first [TS]

01:09:19   time the Germans had been United was [TS]

01:09:21   under the boot of france i was so [TS]

01:09:25   traumatic for them [TS]

01:09:26   did you just invent that it was those [TS]

01:09:30   first time they've been United was under [TS]

01:09:32   the boot of France [TS]

01:09:33   oh no I i think that well yes maybe [TS]

01:09:35   sorry but that's really good [TS]

01:09:37   maybe I coined it and so that was so [TS]

01:09:40   traumatic that when they went when [TS]

01:09:42   Napoleon was finally defeated it left [TS]

01:09:45   this lasting impact on the Germans like [TS]

01:09:48   we need to get our shit together we need [TS]

01:09:50   to be the Germans we need to stop [TS]

01:09:52   fighting or we need to stop bickering [TS]

01:09:54   over you know the who owns the covered [TS]

01:09:58   bridge over this over this river over [TS]

01:10:01   the river Saul and we need to say we are [TS]

01:10:04   the terms we need a strong central your [TS]

01:10:07   head for a long time it was is it going [TS]

01:10:08   to be Prussia is it going to be Austria [TS]

01:10:10   but this mentality of like [TS]

01:10:13   we are we are one people in my opinion [TS]

01:10:20   is a is a real like after an aftershock [TS]

01:10:23   of having Napoleon come through and say [TS]

01:10:27   like yeah you are one people you're all [TS]

01:10:29   my bootblacks you know like you you you [TS]

01:10:33   are you are the farmers and the dope so [TS]

01:10:36   that are going to be supplying the [TS]

01:10:37   French army as we march into Russia [TS]

01:10:39   that's who you are and they were like oh [TS]

01:10:42   no no no we are the Germans we we are [TS]

01:10:45   the hunters we are that you know that [TS]

01:10:48   was the that was the beginning of that [TS]

01:10:50   like unified consciousness so Versailles [TS]

01:10:53   was just just merely another compounding [TS]

01:10:55   giant kick in the balls that led to the [TS]

01:10:58   family in the wheelbarrows full of marks [TS]

01:11:00   and all that so it took it took [TS]

01:11:02   something that was already stinging as [TS]

01:11:04   something when I guess what 30 years [TS]

01:11:07   older than our own civil war but [TS]

01:11:08   something that was still very much [TS]

01:11:09   around they're still there still bullets [TS]

01:11:11   in somebody's couch up in the attic [TS]

01:11:13   yeah hundred years later various I was [TS]

01:11:16   another instance of the French [TS]

01:11:18   humiliating the Germans for [TS]

01:11:21   and-and-and-and the case of their side [TS]

01:11:24   humiliating them for no good reason just [TS]

01:11:26   humiliating like that war ended world [TS]

01:11:30   war one ended in a draw and like had [TS]

01:11:35   America not come into the to the war and [TS]

01:11:37   even with America in the war it was a [TS]

01:11:39   draw [TS]

01:11:41   they fought themselves to a standstill [TS]

01:11:43   there was there was never going to be a [TS]

01:11:44   winner to world war one and the idea [TS]

01:11:47   that America and Britain and France won [TS]

01:11:50   world war one is pretty ludicrous [TS]

01:11:53   basically I mean germany just kind of [TS]

01:11:56   ran out of gas [TS]

01:11:58   nobody ever there was no big victory [TS]

01:12:03   they're all three countries Britain [TS]

01:12:07   France and Germany they all lost more [TS]

01:12:11   than a million men and and it was it was [TS]

01:12:15   a standstill and by the end of that war [TS]

01:12:17   it should have been like you know what [TS]

01:12:19   ok let's just shake hands and say the [TS]

01:12:24   war is done let's just stop doing this [TS]

01:12:26   that's basically what happened the [TS]

01:12:27   Americans came in there like over there [TS]

01:12:29   over there and everybody went out fuck [TS]

01:12:32   here they are ok we surrender I guess I [TS]

01:12:37   mean when the Germans the Germans ended [TS]

01:12:39   the war they honestly felt like okay you [TS]

01:12:41   know what let's just let's just stop [TS]

01:12:44   they had no idea that and you said [TS]

01:12:46   Wilson in particular there were a lot of [TS]

01:12:48   people who thought the terms of course I [TS]

01:12:49   should not be that crazy just because [TS]

01:12:51   they knew how monkey balls this would [TS]

01:12:53   make them once they got the chance [TS]

01:12:55   Wilson was a was totally opposed to two [TS]

01:12:59   like imposing all these massive [TS]

01:13:01   sanctions on Germany it was all [TS]

01:13:03   Clemenceau and that's this kind of [TS]

01:13:05   French mentality that like now we get [TS]

01:13:09   ours and she's we are gonna and we're [TS]

01:13:12   gonna shame the Germans were going to [TS]

01:13:14   punish them they're never ever gonna [TS]

01:13:16   they're never gonna do this again and it [TS]

01:13:20   was a it was a bit was super bad move [TS]

01:13:23   and really like it relative to how that [TS]

01:13:26   war was fought and what the how it [TS]

01:13:28   turned out it was just like it was just [TS]

01:13:31   a bitch slap you think it would make a [TS]

01:13:33   difference [TS]

01:13:34   do you really think it would have made [TS]

01:13:35   it less likely that the things we've got [TS]

01:13:38   as bad as they did you think it was its [TS]

01:13:40   tongue that hard that that there was [TS]

01:13:43   some kind of a few like a tipping point [TS]

01:13:44   where if that had not been as owners and [TS]

01:13:47   people could have bounce back faster it [TS]

01:13:49   was there was no ver side there would [TS]

01:13:50   have been no hit but there's just less [TS]

01:13:52   force I mean had it was a very with [TS]

01:13:55   their reparations what was a tell me a [TS]

01:13:56   little bit of foresight you get [TS]

01:13:57   reparations like literally owners [TS]

01:14:00   reparations you've got you can't have a [TS]

01:14:01   standing army over 100,000 or something [TS]

01:14:04   uh well you also lost the something [TS]

01:14:08   germany lost not inconsiderable amounts [TS]

01:14:11   of their territory to France but but [TS]

01:14:13   more than that it was a it was that I [TS]

01:14:18   mean awesome the big effect of [TS]

01:14:20   Versailles was was as a result of [TS]

01:14:23   trianon which was kind of separate sub [TS]

01:14:25   treaty where they redrew the borders of [TS]

01:14:28   all of Eastern Europe the modern Hungary [TS]

01:14:30   is a product of of basically the treaty [TS]

01:14:34   of versailles modern romania [TS]

01:14:37   the whole idea of of slovakia really [TS]

01:14:41   Poland modern Poland mean all those [TS]

01:14:43   countries there their borders were all [TS]

01:14:45   drawn up in that treaty as a way of [TS]

01:14:50   punishing austria in particular um but [TS]

01:14:55   the i mean the the reparations that [TS]

01:14:58   Germany had to pay to France bankrupted [TS]

01:15:00   the nation more more than that though it [TS]

01:15:03   was just this it was it was that it was [TS]

01:15:05   the institutionalized humiliation of the [TS]

01:15:08   Germans that was like completely [TS]

01:15:10   unnecessary you look at the end of world [TS]

01:15:11   war two where America instituted the [TS]

01:15:15   Marshall Plan which was listen not only [TS]

01:15:18   we're not going to shame you but not [TS]

01:15:20   only are going to make it nicer than it [TS]

01:15:21   was before that not only are we not [TS]

01:15:23   going to tax you were going to show you [TS]

01:15:25   how we're going to do we're going to [TS]

01:15:28   show you with money how we think how we [TS]

01:15:31   suggest maybe we can make this a better [TS]

01:15:33   place and we got so much mileage off of [TS]

01:15:38   that it's really we made what so until [TS]

01:15:41   about until just about let's say maybe [TS]

01:15:43   about nine years ago eight years ago [TS]

01:15:47   week we had so much we got so much of a [TS]

01:15:49   pass on stuff maybe even stuff we didn't [TS]

01:15:52   deserve just because people were still [TS]

01:15:54   like drinkin out of those wells or [TS]

01:15:55   whatever I mean just still driving on [TS]

01:15:57   those roads it's my blow but we remade [TS]

01:15:59   the world to I mean modern Europe is a [TS]

01:16:02   is in in so many ways a product of the [TS]

01:16:05   Marshall Plan a product of that American [TS]

01:16:08   what you would call i think the [TS]

01:16:10   Wilsonian idealism the idea that America [TS]

01:16:13   is able to be altruistic you know and [TS]

01:16:20   there are a lot of cynics that would [TS]

01:16:21   that we're going to poopoo that and get [TS]

01:16:23   get slobber on the front of their bibs [TS]

01:16:25   but but that altruism of like when would [TS]

01:16:29   not only we're not going to punish you [TS]

01:16:30   were going to stand in front of anybody [TS]

01:16:32   who wants to punish you and we are going [TS]

01:16:35   to pour money into this country to [TS]

01:16:36   develop to redevelop your industry the [TS]

01:16:38   industry that we just bombed into rubble [TS]

01:16:41   we're going to build it back up for you [TS]

01:16:44   and turn it over to you [TS]

01:16:46   and all we ask is that you not started [TS]

01:16:49   more Wars does that sound cool and you [TS]

01:16:52   know it's amazing in retrospect [TS]

01:16:53   especially for somebody and this issue [TS]

01:16:55   again that and the the gulf between the [TS]

01:16:58   classic idea of of consumer like in the [TS]

01:17:02   old days when Republicans being a [TS]

01:17:04   Republican being conservative mostly [TS]

01:17:06   meant being financially conservative by [TS]

01:17:07   and large system [TS]

01:17:09   yeah or it but it also meant like we all [TS]

01:17:11   agree that what's good for businesses is [TS]

01:17:13   good for America in some ways and think [TS]

01:17:15   about the marshall plan is something [TS]

01:17:16   also we're creating markets anything [TS]

01:17:18   about how many of our biggest trading [TS]

01:17:20   partners over the next 30 years came [TS]

01:17:23   straight out of countries that that that [TS]

01:17:25   we were trying desperately to destroy [TS]

01:17:27   and then help rebuild and I mean [TS]

01:17:29   Japanese of the drink Japanese and [TS]

01:17:31   Germans I mean it to the strongest [TS]

01:17:32   economies in the world right i just i [TS]

01:17:35   just googled this just so that I had my [TS]

01:17:38   facts straight [TS]

01:17:39   but the in 1921 the amount of [TS]

01:17:42   reparations demanded of Germany was the [TS]

01:17:45   equivalent of 100,000 tons of pure gold [TS]

01:17:48   which was at the time represented more [TS]

01:17:53   than fifty percent of all the gold ever [TS]

01:17:55   mined in history [TS]

01:17:58   so is that this day there's the insult [TS]

01:18:00   of this impossible thing being put on [TS]

01:18:02   the table and then there's the 10x [TS]

01:18:04   insult if you have no fucking choice but [TS]

01:18:06   to sign it right it's that kind of kind [TS]

01:18:08   of like users and unless that's that [TS]

01:18:10   we're not here to defend the Chairman [TS]

01:18:12   but like you know it's about to sign it [TS]

01:18:15   because and really this is think we're [TS]

01:18:17   all out of food and that was it wasn't [TS]

01:18:19   like Germany you have to sign the treaty [TS]

01:18:21   of versailles because you are out of [TS]

01:18:23   food and France is sitting here like [TS]

01:18:26   sipping from the milk of human kindness [TS]

01:18:28   remember but France was out of food to [TS]

01:18:31   like everybody was out of food [TS]

01:18:33   yeah England didn't come out of that for [TS]

01:18:35   like another one like five or eight [TS]

01:18:36   years that England is still recovering [TS]

01:18:38   for war world war one that they lost [TS]

01:18:40   their in an entire generation of men and [TS]

01:18:44   what you want to be a dumbass something [TS]

01:18:46   about world war two of course I [TS]

01:18:47   apologize that was a stupid thing to say [TS]

01:18:48   no well right in England in England got [TS]

01:18:51   back for more work to a little bit [TS]

01:18:52   faster let's take that long to come out [TS]

01:18:55   of World War one [TS]

01:18:56   let's say let's say England was back [TS]

01:18:58   in 1985 well 89 let's say between take [TS]

01:19:03   45 in 1989 they were just limping along [TS]

01:19:06   i mean it looked pretty hot in London [TS]

01:19:08   but baby I think we get I think we can [TS]

01:19:10   thank you asus entire yeah it was always [TS]

01:19:13   really it was it was it was mad gesture [TS]

01:19:15   you know it was that it was the happy [TS]

01:19:18   mondays that really brought in one back [TS]

01:19:20   but no I mean I that the 1919 there were [TS]

01:19:24   no Englishman left I mean that an entire [TS]

01:19:27   generation of of and probably what what [TS]

01:19:31   you could arguably say was going to be [TS]

01:19:33   England's most brilliant generation [TS]

01:19:35   those guys to the that though what it [TS]

01:19:39   looked like in 1914 if you could be in [TS]

01:19:41   1914 and imagine what they thought the [TS]

01:19:45   next 10 years was going to be who it was [TS]

01:19:47   going to be the most fertile time in [TS]

01:19:49   English history I swear to you that was [TS]

01:19:52   that it was just it was that there was [TS]

01:19:54   this feeling in the air in 1914 that [TS]

01:19:57   anything was possible modernism was [TS]

01:19:59   happening there was a there was a [TS]

01:20:01   culture there was a culture of [TS]

01:20:03   literature there was people were moving [TS]

01:20:06   away from like colonialism was kind of [TS]

01:20:09   on the wane but that but they still had [TS]

01:20:12   all the power of uh of of like their [TS]

01:20:15   far-flung colonies intellectually it [TS]

01:20:18   wasn't very fashionable anymore but [TS]

01:20:19   there was still like they still had all [TS]

01:20:21   the strength it was a it was this [TS]

01:20:24   incredibly fertile time it was all [TS]

01:20:26   across Europe you think about the [TS]

01:20:28   industry Cal art in germany and austria [TS]

01:20:32   all of the sort of bauhaus e klimt II [TS]

01:20:36   kind of like you go to those cities you [TS]

01:20:40   go to those those little towns in the [TS]

01:20:42   czech republic that were not bombed out [TS]

01:20:44   by the war where the architecture is [TS]

01:20:47   this incredibly feminine beautiful arc [TS]

01:20:55   texture and public planning where the [TS]

01:20:59   the city's feel incredibly solid but [TS]

01:21:01   there's a femininity to everything that [TS]

01:21:03   you don't you don't associate with the [TS]

01:21:05   Germans but released their list of [TS]

01:21:07   fragility when you look at the [TS]

01:21:08   expressionist there's a certain to such [TS]

01:21:09   a fragility I everything in such a such [TS]

01:21:12   a questioning of your own perception of [TS]

01:21:14   things I don't know an emotional [TS]

01:21:16   presence in an emotional awareness that [TS]

01:21:18   was actually taking shape in the waste [TS]

01:21:21   in the with towns were built and in the [TS]

01:21:23   way it in it in such small things like [TS]

01:21:27   men's fashion and and I mean it was it [TS]

01:21:31   was this incredibly sensitive time and [TS]

01:21:34   everyone was killed the everyone through [TS]

01:21:37   the whole continent was just massacred [TS]

01:21:40   and at the end of it there was nothing [TS]

01:21:42   left [TS]

01:21:43   it was just the shards of memory and [TS]

01:21:46   where they're still trying to recapture [TS]

01:21:48   it's the the tragedy of it will who will [TS]

01:21:53   send me into a blue funk and really well [TS]

01:21:55   but uh what was lost and we think about [TS]

01:21:58   history being a thing that like oh it's [TS]

01:22:00   inevitable that happened right history [TS]

01:22:02   there it is and you never think about [TS]

01:22:05   what could have been but small [TS]

01:22:09   differences back then could have [TS]

01:22:14   produced an entirely different world now [TS]

01:22:16   we can't even imagine we they they felt [TS]

01:22:19   at the time that they were on the cusp [TS]

01:22:21   of discovering a new way a new way in [TS]

01:22:26   music a new way in our new way in [TS]

01:22:28   politics they were they believed that it [TS]

01:22:31   was the dawn of a renaissance and I and [TS]

01:22:34   I think it was too and that Renaissance [TS]

01:22:37   was was just wiped off the off the earth [TS]

01:22:41   well I mean yes and think about think [TS]

01:22:43   about where we got all our guys to make [TS]

01:22:45   the bomb think about like what it was [TS]

01:22:47   was so much education the value they [TS]

01:22:50   were all use the word choice though [TS]

01:22:52   yeah and but I mean that was this was it [TS]

01:22:54   was also there is there was so much [TS]

01:22:56   crazy stuff happening in education [TS]

01:22:57   scholarship you name it [TS]

01:22:59   butBut you and you know I think there's [TS]

01:23:00   a reason several reasons it's not the [TS]

01:23:02   story of something like Anne Frank [TS]

01:23:03   resonates with us because you know it [TS]

01:23:05   was a child and an innocent [TS]

01:23:07   and it was complicated thing and like [TS]

01:23:09   owen fucking a if it had been like one [TS]

01:23:11   more month she might have lived is such [TS]

01:23:13   an awful story but you know what really [TS]

01:23:14   gets us is it's one story that we can [TS]

01:23:16   understand its unbearable to think about [TS]

01:23:18   the number of people who died but you [TS]

01:23:20   know it's also it's just all so [TS]

01:23:21   unbearable to think about how many of [TS]

01:23:23   their own people they killed certain [TS]

01:23:25   people from all over the place and and [TS]

01:23:27   but you know I for me this is the weird [TS]

01:23:29   thing you want to get off on these Jags [TS]

01:23:31   as Hitler jags on wikipedia and i'll go [TS]

01:23:33   and look at the section that says I'm [TS]

01:23:34   calling on my butt's like certainly [TS]

01:23:36   things like musicians who died in the [TS]

01:23:39   holocaust right or you go you could go [TS]

01:23:41   and read about writers who died [TS]

01:23:43   you could certainly read about gosh you [TS]

01:23:45   read about writers that were just get [TS]

01:23:47   killed in the pins in the field in World [TS]

01:23:49   War two [TS]

01:23:49   it is standing how much I certainly was [TS]

01:23:53   a pointless are necessary but how much [TS]

01:23:55   just like senseless death on both sides [TS]

01:23:57   happened to level like some of the best [TS]

01:23:59   minds of the generation and sometimes [TS]

01:24:01   you don't see it until you go like [TS]

01:24:03   fucking trumpet players who died oh [TS]

01:24:05   that's right home but you know I'm [TS]

01:24:07   saying like you wouldn't take it down to [TS]

01:24:08   that level and then you go and read [TS]

01:24:10   about that one person you know and that [TS]

01:24:12   that resonates as you especially the [TS]

01:24:14   anne frank thing I mean like that's [TS]

01:24:16   that's such a cliche but i mean its [TS]

01:24:18   original story that's been passed but [TS]

01:24:20   the whole fucking idea that she died of [TS]

01:24:21   the disease like seriously wasn't like a [TS]

01:24:25   month before they liberated the camp [TS]

01:24:27   yeah I mean and this is the kind of town [TS]

01:24:31   that you can expect from Hitler and [TS]

01:24:32   stuff [TS]

01:24:32   well we're gonna find it we're gonna [TS]

01:24:33   find it we're gonna find easy answers [TS]

01:24:35   this is gonna be a fun podcast really [TS]

01:24:37   this is I think we got something here [TS]

01:24:39   John it's astonishing to me though is [TS]

01:24:41   that you know when you think about like [TS]

01:24:42   all the writers that diner all the [TS]

01:24:43   trumpet players that time you think [TS]

01:24:45   about that in terms of like all there [TS]

01:24:47   might be a couple fewer books there [TS]

01:24:48   might be a few few few more a trumpet [TS]

01:24:52   solos or whatever but but the reality is [TS]

01:24:55   that we the culture that we're living in [TS]

01:24:57   now is a product of the people that [TS]

01:24:59   survived the war [TS]

01:25:01   mhm and thinking about all the people [TS]

01:25:03   who didn't survive the war and the [TS]

01:25:05   culture that they would have produced [TS]

01:25:07   and where we would be now are our [TS]

01:25:11   understanding of the human condition [TS]

01:25:12   that would have resulted from those [TS]

01:25:14   trumpet solos and books that didnt get [TS]

01:25:16   written is on its own it's unfathomable [TS]

01:25:20   how far I think how far behind we are [TS]

01:25:23   where we where we would have been and [TS]

01:25:27   it's impossible to measure it's about it [TS]

01:25:31   it's it's a it's numbing to think about [TS]

01:25:34   but I read an article in the newspaper [TS]

01:25:36   the other day it was the 60th [TS]

01:25:38   anniversary or another well as at the [TS]

01:25:39   70th anniversary just a couple of days [TS]

01:25:42   belle of the day that all of the Jews [TS]

01:25:46   and France were marshaled into the [TS]

01:25:51   trains and this woman who survived the [TS]

01:25:54   war was talking about she and her five [TS]

01:25:58   brothers and sisters were standing in [TS]

01:25:59   this camp with they were in the camp [TS]

01:26:02   with their mother and their father was [TS]

01:26:03   was somewhere else working and the word [TS]

01:26:06   went out through the camp ok tomorrow [TS]

01:26:08   all the mothers are going so say [TS]

01:26:12   good-bye good-bye and they spent all [TS]

01:26:15   night huddled together and then in the [TS]

01:26:19   morning huddled together crying and then [TS]

01:26:21   in the morning they came and these are [TS]

01:26:24   Germans these are French men who were [TS]

01:26:28   working for the Germans who came in the [TS]

01:26:29   morning and took the mothers away and [TS]

01:26:33   put them on a train and sent them to the [TS]

01:26:35   gas chambers and imagining that now as a [TS]

01:26:39   father [TS]

01:26:40   these kids you know with their hands [TS]

01:26:46   through the barbed wire fence as their [TS]

01:26:48   as their mother is being led away by [TS]

01:26:50   like a local guy and being put on a [TS]

01:26:54   train [TS]

01:26:55   it was just it's one of those moments [TS]

01:26:57   where you think about the Holocaust all [TS]

01:26:59   the time were raised thinking about [TS]

01:27:01   World War two but but the unfathomable [TS]

01:27:04   inhumanity of those small moments was [TS]

01:27:08   just like that guy who probably lived [TS]

01:27:11   the rest of his life in france was never [TS]

01:27:13   prosecuted for it he woke up every [TS]

01:27:16   morning [TS]

01:27:17   remembering that what he did [TS]

01:27:20   you couldn't help but remember it you [TS]

01:27:22   could not help but be haunted by it [TS]

01:27:25   every day of your life and all through [TS]

01:27:29   France there are you know a million [TS]

01:27:30   stories of that and this is the thing we [TS]

01:27:33   think about all we walk around Germany [TS]

01:27:34   and all they've erased all the swastika [TS]

01:27:37   is but there are a million people in [TS]

01:27:39   France with a similar story with a [TS]

01:27:41   similar picture in their attic if they [TS]

01:27:43   don't bring down because it's a picture [TS]

01:27:45   of granddad in his like collaborationist [TS]

01:27:50   cop outfit but what it would take to do [TS]

01:27:53   that what how your mind would I I got [TS]

01:27:57   into this long correspondence with a [TS]

01:28:00   professor at the University of [TS]

01:28:02   Washington when I was walking across [TS]

01:28:03   Europe where I was saying listen it is [TS]

01:28:05   gone from Germany whatever that [TS]

01:28:08   mentality was the I cannot find it [TS]

01:28:10   anywhere i talk two Germans every day [TS]

01:28:12   what about the war what about the war [TS]

01:28:13   what about the Holocaust what did your [TS]

01:28:15   family do what are your feelings about [TS]

01:28:16   it and it is gone [TS]

01:28:18   whatever it was that that made that [TS]

01:28:23   happen is no longer here you could not [TS]

01:28:28   get the Germans to do it again right but [TS]

01:28:31   the fact that it was only 40 years ago [TS]

01:28:34   at the time for 50 years ago and the [TS]

01:28:38   fact that it is completely erased now [TS]

01:28:40   means that it is in my opinion in all of [TS]

01:28:44   us all the time like it is never gone [TS]

01:28:47   it's always there because it was it [TS]

01:28:50   because it happened so simply it you [TS]

01:28:53   know there was a series of factors sure [TS]

01:28:55   but the people in Europe or waiting for [TS]

01:28:59   the opportunity to become monsters and [TS]

01:29:02   I'm and I believe that we are all human [TS]

01:29:06   beings waiting for the opportunity to [TS]

01:29:08   become monsters it is in us because the [TS]

01:29:12   inhumanity it would require of a person [TS]

01:29:15   to reach through a fence and take [TS]

01:29:17   another away from her child and put her [TS]

01:29:18   on a train is it it's it's it's so [TS]

01:29:23   unfathomable that in fact [TS]

01:29:25   i think is like this this dormant [TS]

01:29:29   monster that is in all human beings and [TS]

01:29:34   this professor at the U who I admire [TS]

01:29:37   very much kept writing me saying do you [TS]

01:29:38   honestly believe that do you really [TS]

01:29:40   believe there could be a holocaust in [TS]

01:29:42   the United States and I was like so [TS]

01:29:44   here's the problem i don't believe it [TS]

01:29:46   could have happened in Germany i'm [TS]

01:29:47   standing in Germany surrounded by [TS]

01:29:49   Germans every day and I don't believe it [TS]

01:29:51   could have happened here but he did and [TS]

01:29:54   so if you are standing in America and [TS]

01:29:56   you don't believe it could happen [TS]

01:30:00   that's the problem and and that's what [TS]

01:30:04   really well played but all it was also [TS]

01:30:06   amazing is in some sense is you could [TS]

01:30:09   ask yes people anywhere in the world [TS]

01:30:10   anytime after say you know what happened [TS]

01:30:15   to the Armenians any say i will put a [TS]

01:30:18   little bit of our losing Turkish [TS]

01:30:20   listeners but you start you say like [TS]

01:30:22   will could there ever be a situation [TS]

01:30:24   where millions of people were basically [TS]

01:30:27   exterminated in one of those civilized [TS]

01:30:29   countries in the world and of course [TS]

01:30:30   everybody when in 1928 say now and in [TS]

01:30:33   1938 probably say now [TS]

01:30:35   weirdly enough a lot of people in 1940 [TS]

01:30:38   would have said now a lot of people in [TS]

01:30:40   1950 would still be saying now of course [TS]

01:30:43   there are people today who not only say [TS]

01:30:45   that didn't happen but it can happen and [TS]

01:30:48   it's it you're right you're right it is [TS]

01:30:51   the this still insanely relative recency [TS]

01:30:54   of that the fact that we still no family [TS]

01:30:55   members who would never even drive in a [TS]

01:30:57   BMW or or toyota but but also I mean [TS]

01:31:02   it's just all along the way it is [TS]

01:31:04   actually so inconceivable the the scale [TS]

01:31:07   of it and yet it is is so incredibly [TS]

01:31:09   present and yet it is it's that very [TS]

01:31:12   presence that makes it so hard to accept [TS]

01:31:15   you know and I you know this is part of [TS]

01:31:17   me that wonders how many Holocaust [TS]

01:31:18   revisions people are are are just [TS]

01:31:21   bananas and how many people how many of [TS]

01:31:23   them know they're lying and how many of [TS]

01:31:25   them just frankly can't grok the [TS]

01:31:28   staggering nature of it and think that [TS]

01:31:30   there's no logical way that it could [TS]

01:31:32   have happened [TS]

01:31:33   notnot to apologize for that but like [TS]

01:31:35   it's something that is almost impossible [TS]

01:31:37   to imagine [TS]

01:31:38   when you watch this film was when you [TS]

01:31:40   went to go see count cabinet of dr. [TS]

01:31:41   Caligari when we take up any of the [TS]

01:31:44   German culture that was just like [TS]

01:31:46   happening at the time that did you know [TS]

01:31:48   what the people who would be college-age [TS]

01:31:51   would be dying it's it's it's staggering [TS]

01:31:53   how quickly that happened [TS]

01:31:55   mmm really is for Hitler and stuff yeah [TS]

01:32:02   this is gonna be good [TS]

01:32:03   I really like this podcast it's gonna be [TS]

01:32:05   so fun did you know that raccoons are [TS]

01:32:11   native to North America and were [TS]

01:32:14   introduced into Germany right before the [TS]

01:32:18   war by a game warden who said why don't [TS]

01:32:23   we why don't we turn some of these [TS]

01:32:26   little funny bear's loose in Germany so [TS]

01:32:31   that the hunters will have something new [TS]

01:32:32   to shoot what could possibly go wrong [TS]

01:32:35   what could go wrong [TS]

01:32:37   so now there are millions of raccoons in [TS]

01:32:41   Germany the germans call them wash Baron [TS]

01:32:45   meaning little bears that wash [TS]

01:32:46   themselves that's a sweet it is we [TS]

01:32:50   accept that Germany is divided between [TS]

01:32:53   half the determines who think that the [TS]

01:32:55   little wash bears are cute and the other [TS]

01:32:57   half of the Germans you feel like the [TS]

01:32:58   little wash bears are massive pain in [TS]

01:33:01   the ass because they're like breaking [TS]

01:33:03   into their homes and stealing their [TS]

01:33:05   stereo equipment and it's it's a minute [TS]

01:33:08   the pictures other ones that are really [TS]

01:33:09   into Los paradises Washburn choice and [TS]

01:33:12   Mike's rock you know about new tree is i [TS]

01:33:17   dunno about nutrients but why don't you [TS]

01:33:18   tell us about nutrient have you ever [TS]

01:33:19   seen a nutria I have never in the flesh [TS]

01:33:22   seen a nutria I understand that they are [TS]

01:33:24   they are big like they are fucking [TS]

01:33:26   horrific like beavers right there bigger [TS]

01:33:28   smaller there [TS]

01:33:29   yes they are but here's the thing [TS]

01:33:31   imagine imagine all of the worst aspects [TS]

01:33:35   of impossible for mr. rat that's because [TS]

01:33:37   i'm awesome flat a fever [TS]

01:33:40   ah American whether it's like this part [TS]

01:33:44   of their any bad qualities about a [TS]

01:33:45   beaver arm [TS]

01:33:48   well if you see with a rat's tail you [TS]

01:33:49   might change your mind yeah I think [TS]

01:33:50   you're right it's a look at [TS]

01:33:52   I can look at it and look at the top I [TS]

01:33:54   don't want to look at they're so gross [TS]

01:33:55   I've been anywhere when you make it [TS]

01:33:56   sound like this [TS]

01:33:59   oh you've seen nutrients in real life I [TS]

01:34:01   was in New Orleans long time ago and [TS]

01:34:04   probably the early nineties and we're [TS]

01:34:06   driving around our friends like all new [TS]

01:34:08   trees they're everywhere story goes and [TS]

01:34:10   adding your your Big Chief tablets i [TS]

01:34:14   fear that my profile or without might [TS]

01:34:16   seal permanently and we're driving [TS]

01:34:19   around and then again with it wasn't [TS]

01:34:21   Kristin was that her name [TS]

01:34:22   Christie was saying like oh you know [TS]

01:34:24   about the nutrients and I was like I [TS]

01:34:25   don't know anything about the nutrients [TS]

01:34:26   and i'm not going to read this but I'm [TS]

01:34:28   just from memory the story goes the in [TS]

01:34:30   the midst of the whole like roaring [TS]

01:34:31   twenties was it was it bear code [TS]

01:34:36   remember you're already got there they [TS]

01:34:37   were trying to make gonna make a beaver [TS]

01:34:39   coat or whatever they're all these like [TS]

01:34:40   animal skin coats that everybody was [TS]

01:34:42   buying that were like a less costly [TS]

01:34:44   version of like first but yeah because [TS]

01:34:46   you see you're writing your writing in [TS]

01:34:48   the rumble seat of somebody out and your [TS]

01:34:50   fraternity you're wearing a straw boater [TS]

01:34:52   and your stuff as many guys as you can [TS]

01:34:54   into a phone booth and you Coco you want [TS]

01:34:57   to treat well because the thing was now [TS]

01:34:59   the understandably this was going to be [TS]

01:35:00   to this was like the knockoff rubik's [TS]

01:35:03   cube of hairy coats because they were [TS]

01:35:05   going to do there's no way they could [TS]

01:35:07   come up with demand keep up with the [TS]

01:35:08   demand so i apologize if i have to go to [TS]

01:35:09   correct this later but the story goes [TS]

01:35:11   they started raising all of these in a [TS]

01:35:14   serious i really encourage you to go and [TS]

01:35:16   look at images of these creatures I'm [TS]

01:35:18   going to go look at it [TS]

01:35:19   I think you're going to see how it is [TS]

01:35:20   really the worst of almost everything [TS]

01:35:22   but where did they come from originally [TS]

01:35:24   nutrients well let's go to the wikipedia [TS]

01:35:26   i actually really understanding is that [TS]

01:35:30   now they're trying to serve them in [TS]

01:35:31   restaurants down there they're trying to [TS]

01:35:33   do you think anything will build houses [TS]

01:35:34   out of them if they can now women it's [TS]

01:35:36   called a coypu yeah from my boo dungan [TS]

01:35:39   our center is a river at where oh i see [TS]

01:35:42   LOL kappa Duncan isn't is a language [TS]

01:35:44   that the Duncan is the map originally [TS]

01:35:48   originally from from sell children [TS]

01:35:50   America and see but going to scroll down [TS]

01:35:53   a little now you know beavers got orange [TS]

01:35:54   teeth but this one's got super orange [TS]

01:35:56   teeth and look at it just look at every [TS]

01:35:58   how back to that Red those t see how big [TS]

01:36:01   they are [TS]

01:36:01   and she's talking about this is also [TS]

01:36:03   here's the story so the story goes then [TS]

01:36:05   then the bottom falls out of the market [TS]

01:36:06   for fucking animal coats and you know [TS]

01:36:09   what they did they opened up the cages [TS]

01:36:11   and let him run [TS]

01:36:12   what could possibly go wrong look at him [TS]

01:36:15   and like so many of these kinds of [TS]

01:36:16   creatures they breed prodigiously and [TS]

01:36:18   now they run around New Orleans and I [TS]

01:36:20   thought oh that's very funny if memory [TS]

01:36:22   serves Kirsten Kristin know there's no [TS]

01:36:24   sanitary system must be and she said [TS]

01:36:28   well I one point we're driving along she [TS]

01:36:29   goes oh look out the window like look at [TS]

01:36:31   the you know like the median strip and [TS]

01:36:35   this thing it the way that it was [TS]

01:36:38   ambling it's horrifying the way this [TS]

01:36:42   thing moves and it's so much fucking [TS]

01:36:43   bigger than you think I mean it is like [TS]

01:36:46   you know like when you see directly to [TS]

01:36:47   go haha raccoon but if you really see a [TS]

01:36:50   raccoon like when you saw that Mama [TS]

01:36:51   shied away 15 20 pounds right [TS]

01:36:53   oh yeah she's a big girl yeah so what I [TS]

01:36:55   wanted these way I don't know but I love [TS]

01:36:58   here that they they have the [TS]

01:36:59   conservation status on a on a sliding [TS]

01:37:03   scale from extinct yes to train for at [TS]

01:37:06   least concern that's not every animal [TS]

01:37:09   page and it always makes me laugh [TS]

01:37:10   there is no concern about this is a [TS]

01:37:12   status that says fuck you animal [TS]

01:37:14   we are not concerned about about the [TS]

01:37:18   corporate now these things run around [TS]

01:37:20   they run around they're fucking [TS]

01:37:21   everywhere and really go look at lots of [TS]

01:37:23   pictures of these because you're not [TS]

01:37:24   going to sleep well tonight and now they [TS]

01:37:26   have this whole thing I think for a [TS]

01:37:27   while they had a bounty thing I think is [TS]

01:37:28   on cable with actually got and you go [TS]

01:37:30   out and try to shoot these things and [TS]

01:37:32   now i think there was actually like a [TS]

01:37:33   control efforts [TS]

01:37:35   yeah oh absolutely i knew about that and [TS]

01:37:36   that they were trying to try to convince [TS]

01:37:38   people that it was good they were good [TS]

01:37:40   eating and that in New Orleans you could [TS]

01:37:42   go in and get nutrient gumbo guarantee [TS]

01:37:45   but you know you think of beavers cute [TS]

01:37:47   that beavers cute enough but you know [TS]

01:37:48   it's just I'm you know I'm clicking on [TS]

01:37:50   some of this stuff and the number of [TS]

01:37:51   pop-up pop-up ads that just came up i [TS]

01:37:54   haven't seen a pop-up ad something since [TS]

01:37:57   1995 we might have a windows virus on [TS]

01:37:59   your Mac how do you get a windows virus [TS]

01:38:01   on your back straight [TS]

01:38:04   god I got date-raped and now i'm looking [TS]

01:38:07   at but you don't think they'll be always [TS]

01:38:09   killing beavers cute enough but a a [TS]

01:38:12   beaver has fucking orange teeth and [TS]

01:38:14   use this ain't no beaver it's got you [TS]

01:38:17   ever seen a possum and it's got that [TS]

01:38:18   really nice-looking rat tail on it like [TS]

01:38:20   a big penis rat tail there's the possums [TS]

01:38:22   all over Seattle I think the child to [TS]

01:38:24   bleach on a possum once this story oh [TS]

01:38:26   that's terrible did you really know [TS]

01:38:28   here's the series is my last day start [TS]

01:38:31   something ridiculous like josh stewart [TS]

01:38:33   of Springfield Oregon crawled under a [TS]

01:38:35   house on a plumbing job it was nearly at [TS]

01:38:37   the back of the house when he heard a [TS]

01:38:39   noise behind him and turned to c5 baby [TS]

01:38:41   nutrients between him and the way out [TS]

01:38:43   his first thought was where's the mother [TS]

01:38:47   then he saw three adults closing in on [TS]

01:38:49   him the first one Randy kicked it there [TS]

01:38:52   wasn't much room to maneuver in the [TS]

01:38:54   20-inch crawl space but he managed to [TS]

01:38:55   get ahold of rock and smashed it [TS]

01:38:57   repeatedly in the head [TS]

01:38:59   this guy is a super commando unit number [TS]

01:39:02   under the South killing neutral brought [TS]

01:39:04   the 2nd one handed him and his leg in [TS]

01:39:06   toward his face so he grabbed it and [TS]

01:39:08   killed it [TS]

01:39:09   this guy's drenched in blood at this [TS]

01:39:11   point one of the babies as well he is my [TS]

01:39:15   God we're reading this almost dying [TS]

01:39:17   Mengel of nutrients [TS]

01:39:21   that wraps it up quite neatly oh no way [TS]

01:39:25   can we put this out [TS]

01:39:26   uh-huh [TS]