0:00:00hello hi John
0:00:07hi Marilyn how are you I'm well how are
0:00:10you doing quite well you seem a little
0:00:12bit you seem a little bit tense
0:00:15what makes you say that well I don't
0:00:17know there's something there's something
0:00:18in the way that your person your lips
0:00:20are sealed tight tight lipped can be
0:00:24honest with you
0:00:25you have a mouth full of peanut butter
0:00:27now you just ate a peanut butter rabbit
0:00:29i just ate
0:00:31oh hang on i discovered it when you have
0:00:33to read the After read the box that i
0:00:36just ate hold on hold on
0:00:38yeah it's like a gustatory mad libs uh I
0:00:42just I don't have a new convenience
0:00:45pretty well i was i was rushing to get
0:00:48back because you know i look forward to
0:00:49our show i just i think it was the oh is
0:00:53the dry cops
0:00:54there's this thing you can get this
0:00:55dingus plastic thing is full of sliced
0:00:58meats which I can get a lot at the lucky
0:01:00i think but at the lucky which is a
0:01:02drugstore
0:01:03mm no no it's formerly albertsons also
0:01:06alright supermarket
0:01:08yeah yeah I i have to tell you John well
0:01:10first of two finish the threat i was
0:01:12sucking a long white piece of fat out of
0:01:14my teeth because it was frustrating me
0:01:15and I hadn't thought to do that before i
0:01:17started calling you on the Internet
0:01:19uh so I was like which would which
0:01:21imitates the sound of a person who's a
0:01:23little fence is the little time I gotta
0:01:26serve hearts to school with so much
0:01:29better now I just have to make it and
0:01:32pasta shaped aperture well here's what
0:01:35you get you know I got it I got my
0:01:37reality this is not cheap so something
0:01:39like I don't know seven or eight dollars
0:01:41but it's called an antipasto and it's
0:01:43like the top it's on the top shelf
0:01:45this is the this is the Primo the Primo
0:01:47meet up here I don't know how much you
0:01:49shop for groceries John but when you do
0:01:51you will not miss this if you go to the
0:01:53lucky get lucky in question do you get
0:01:55the opportunity for dinners up there
0:01:56right
0:01:57we don't have we don't have lucky Syria
0:01:59don't think or at least not in my
0:02:01neighborhood isn't that much from up
0:02:03there
0:02:04apparently he was talking about a no
0:02:06he's not always twin falls idaho nice
0:02:08talk about Idaho
0:02:09even boise he's from boys boys yeah
0:02:12people thinks built to spill the Seattle
0:02:15but there-there Idaho man you're not to
0:02:18have a beard night out
0:02:19Oh in some parts of my house is required
0:02:21and that is it like a check box
0:02:23somewhere you gotta if you wanna get the
0:02:24deed they gotta fill your beard
0:02:26no in fact it's it's a checkpoint on
0:02:28highway haha he's not there all sections
0:02:32you don't guys okay it's by a company
0:02:35called is hey it's my company called boo
0:02:38set o Musa said not yet meddling little
0:02:42hard but Seto foods again says you tell
0:02:45us fans consider that is gourmet
0:02:46restaurant remote California and that
0:02:49san dimas that's where a military from
0:02:52rights and he was high school rules when
0:02:55he was highschool football rules that's
0:02:57it you know i always like to think that
0:02:59you exist outside of time but then I
0:03:02realize you've seen movies you
0:03:03occasionally quote a line from a movie
0:03:04which is not normally your style you
0:03:06know where there are few it's a it's a
0:03:09problem I have because I often claimed
0:03:11not to know anything about music
0:03:14mm that's somewhere that's that really
0:03:16benefits seriously I'm serious that
0:03:19benefits us insist i don't iike like I
0:03:21don't know anything about computers and
0:03:22especially at parties playing with
0:03:24family
0:03:24yeah you know on cannot fix your
0:03:27computer and i'm the same IP I i cannot
0:03:29fix your problem of not knowing what
0:03:31music to listen to you think you'd ever
0:03:33want to be a host or you want to call it
0:03:34a judge on one of the shows we tell
0:03:36people how badly they saying you think
0:03:37it would have done that before the for
0:03:40the for the EMP up here people have come
0:03:42a couple years in a row and I've sat on
0:03:45a panel where we listen to demo tapes of
0:03:48like two dozen bands and narrow them
0:03:52down and give one like a prize and then
0:03:55their band play the all the bands played
0:03:57a big festival i love it i love that
0:04:00work because they're because what what's
0:04:03a you know what's happening in somebody
0:04:05else's song is very easy to see when
0:04:07you're sitting outside of it
0:04:08mhm it is it that they're not in the
0:04:12room you're just listening also there in
0:04:14the room and I'm looking them right in
0:04:15the eye and saying you know what
0:04:16happened when you went to the second
0:04:18chorus e you overthought it you got a
0:04:21little too little too small
0:04:23for your own good and you screwed it up
0:04:24and they go who I mean not and they they
0:04:30say and they come up afterwards and say
0:04:31thank you you've changed my life hell
0:04:33for helping me thank you for helping me
0:04:35can I do anything for you and you
0:04:36considered that the diminished chord
0:04:39might have diminished your song mir3
0:04:43ever see it with the Meudon like we're
0:04:45picking on my thai food i think i said
0:04:46Howard Stern on one of these I there's
0:04:48so many of them you see here's the thing
0:04:50i don't think i don't watch that stuff I
0:04:52watch a lot of TV but i don't watch
0:04:54regular TV I don't watch we don't have
0:04:55cable
0:04:56you know I I yeah you know I have
0:04:58different means and I I don't have to
0:05:01see those things unless I'm in a hotel
0:05:02room or thai restaurant right you
0:05:04technically don't have to see them if
0:05:06you're in a hotel room but you do have
0:05:09to do that i was trying the TV it's
0:05:11really weird i don't know why no i don't
0:05:13i was over at some friends house the
0:05:14other day and we were sitting in the
0:05:15living room together and we were there
0:05:17for several hours talking having a
0:05:20delightful conversation but the TV was
0:05:22on in the bedroom with the volume on
0:05:25pretty loud and it was just over there
0:05:28like they're worse there were people
0:05:30arguing in the bedroom basically is what
0:05:33it sounded like
0:05:34and we were sitting in weave sitting in
0:05:36the living room enjoying one another and
0:05:38nobody felt we weren't interested in
0:05:40going in and watch what's happening on
0:05:42the TV was just in there is a kind of
0:05:43like a music almost playing like a bit
0:05:47was it was fulfilling the role of
0:05:48background music another thing that if i
0:05:50may say you obviously don't like I think
0:05:52you actually despise background music
0:05:54that correct well not it not it for
0:05:56other people or not in there not another
0:05:58people gradual progression background
0:06:00he's right I don't begrudge people
0:06:01background music but I never play it i
0:06:03never have music on in the house because
0:06:05a it really really distracts me I cannot
0:06:09do anything else if there's music
0:06:11playing I I just end up wandering over
0:06:13and sitting down in a chair in front of
0:06:15the speaker and staring at it so I
0:06:18cannot wash the dishes and listen music
0:06:21I can't fold laundry with music on
0:06:24because I my brain can't take the
0:06:28can't take can't take that kind of
0:06:30distraction you focus and I&I for the
0:06:33same reason I never listen to talk radio
0:06:35people are like oh did you hear that
0:06:36thing on NPR I'm like I've never listen
0:06:38to NPR in my life unless I am trapped
0:06:41somewhere where it's playing and then I
0:06:43want everyone to stop talking please so
0:06:45i can hear what the people on the radio
0:06:46were saying
0:06:47mhm people that have NPR going all the
0:06:50time and their kids are conducting their
0:06:51daily business and they're on the phone
0:06:53with people and NPR's in the background
0:06:54like what are you doing are you
0:06:56listening to this thing or are you doing
0:06:58this other thing
0:06:59how could you can't do both like it is
0:07:01but it's like a bad it's an RO fleece it
0:07:04just keeps you cozy to have it on all
0:07:06the time I think I used to do it I can't
0:07:07do it now it does not keep me because it
0:07:09keeps me I make that puts me absolutely
0:07:12on edge when I get into a taxi and the
0:07:14guys listening to talk radio first thing
0:07:16they say is would you turn the radio off
0:07:18please
0:07:19well they're like that well yeah I'm
0:07:23like it doesn't taste don't I don't I
0:07:25don't like that I don't boy have a lot
0:07:27to circle back to that touches and snap
0:07:29and I say yeah sorry
0:07:30taxi driver would you stop looking at
0:07:32your phone please oh brother i think a
0:07:35lot of these guys are running ebay
0:07:36businesses the ones are the ones who
0:07:38have a bluetooth and speaking in a
0:07:39language so that i won't understand them
0:07:41i'm pretty sure they're running either
0:07:42some kind of offshore thing or and/or
0:07:45possibly anybody might be a sex slave
0:07:47thing but they're talking the whole time
0:07:48and it's just this this home I don't
0:07:51even know what what you know the other
0:07:53two hurts where they doing their tech
0:07:55support their answering people's
0:07:58questions about their mcintosh you see
0:08:00ya
0:08:01standard double dippers yeah yeah
0:08:03they're taking calls except they're
0:08:05taking calls from people in india or
0:08:08pakistan fixing their computers
0:08:13oh wow that's like that's like that's
0:08:15like a no Henry story up but I asked
0:08:20them to stop all that I want to talk to
0:08:22them about Pakistan I I go ahead yeah
0:08:25i'm so scared to do that girl please go
0:08:27ahead and continue I had a guy from from
0:08:30Eritrea one-time say eritrea i'll cut
0:08:35that out
0:08:35say say you know the problem is that i
0:08:38talked to 50 people a day
0:08:41and if I tell them all about
0:08:45eritrea then I have said the same thing
0:08:5150 times in a day
0:08:53I've said the same thing about my home
0:08:55country 50 times if that is not
0:08:57interesting to me what's interesting to
0:08:58me is you telling me your story about
0:09:03what you are doing mr. person who is
0:09:05writing in my taxi and I said Wow
0:09:08because from my perspective I always get
0:09:10a taxi and I try and find out from the
0:09:12guy where he's from and what his story
0:09:13is my guys like yeah but we hate that
0:09:15because anyone whoever shows an interest
0:09:18in this wants to know the same thing
0:09:19where you from how long you've been in
0:09:20America why do you like it here
0:09:22do you ever go back he's like I've you
0:09:25know I've told that story a million
0:09:27times I want to know why you are landing
0:09:28at washington dulles airport and where
0:09:31I'm you know how long you're going to be
0:09:33in Washington DC that's what's
0:09:34interesting to me I was like wow we
0:09:36should have a conversation then where we
0:09:39each exchange information with the other
0:09:41is like it's like a no Henry story
0:09:42inside of an oh Henry story which is
0:09:44perfect
0:09:45mm so they'll be like a double twist and
0:09:47here's the thing I've never broken arm
0:09:48and I've never had like say like a
0:09:51pepperoni-sized birthmark on my face but
0:09:53it seems to me I've never broken arm
0:09:55have never broken anything and never had
0:09:57a cavity what yeah what you've never had
0:10:01a cavity
0:10:02yeah well you don't have a cavity right
0:10:04now not a single one a single 1i got
0:10:07I've had three wisdom teeth pulled and
0:10:09apart from that flawless always had a
0:10:11couple Crown had to throw behind another
0:10:12two so I'm might be 4i have fluoride you
0:10:15know precious bodily fluids i have
0:10:17fluoride in the water and Cincinnati so
0:10:18that I say what you will now also
0:10:21identical to work to PNG so we got a lot
0:10:22of crest oh my god high five
0:10:24thanks from across the internets it's
0:10:27one of those things that really
0:10:28frustrates people have two minutes I
0:10:29don't say it a lot
0:10:30it's one of those things like you like
0:10:32those people who would always get a look
0:10:34i'm sure they found that smiley he can't
0:10:36and of course they always get an A and
0:10:38you like shut up you know what I mean I
0:10:40hate those people and I I don't like to
0:10:42be the person where somebody I just a 19
0:10:44felling you're like I've never had a
0:10:45cavity incredible yeah incredible never
0:10:48had a cavity you know I've had a lot of
0:10:50dental dental problems
0:10:52you know what I'm gonna write that on a
0:10:54car to go on the big pile because I
0:10:56suspect consistent interesting but
0:10:58here's the thing
0:10:59now i have had things like what now
0:11:02listen this is not domestic abuse but if
0:11:04you ever have anything on your face it
0:11:06could be closer cookies of sarees it
0:11:08could be a stress bomb it could be a
0:11:09bruise but here's the thing if you've
0:11:11got a broken arm
0:11:12oh my god you have to talk so much about
0:11:15your broken arm before I'm just saying
0:11:17I've been around this might have a funny
0:11:18first name and when you have a funny
0:11:20first name you don't suffer from this
0:11:21you you have to constantly first of all
0:11:23I have to I have to live with this is
0:11:25fine i have to live with you mean like
0:11:27the magician and I say yes like the
0:11:29motion who would person under 18 years
0:11:31old says that you mean like the magician
0:11:34really a Merlin now I'm you know that is
0:11:43absolutely right my friend mark I've
0:11:44talked about my friend market with the
0:11:46Instax want him to miss a very little
0:11:47here
0:11:48well here's that thing got Italian name
0:11:49I don't think so I don't think she lives
0:11:51in New York nothing have Italians there
0:11:53here's the thing Marco Marco has a
0:11:54theory on this i might have shared with
0:11:56you
0:11:56he calls it the snap to grid problem now
0:11:58you don't suffer from this because
0:11:59you're the problem in the snap to grid
0:12:01problem easily
0:12:02yes you are you're the Monad right
0:12:04possible
0:12:05well yeah there's a couple of them we
0:12:07have to we have like different endings
0:12:08to know who they are is a word canning
0:12:09and gets word isn't it mm we cease can
0:12:11lot in college like there was there was
0:12:13a lesbian Amy and snake Amy and other
0:12:16lesbian Amy you know you give Kennex two
0:12:18people in a small college as us being me
0:12:20yeah but they had my daughter school
0:12:23there's old fella in New bella and other
0:12:25Bella it sucked the other Bella of their
0:12:28Bella third Bella down
0:12:29yeah but the Bellis up three here's the
0:12:32thing okay so if you got a broken arm
0:12:33know your constant you know what I'm
0:12:35just gonna let you talk
0:12:36I'm just saying that it would suck it
0:12:38it's only sucks a little bit to have my
0:12:40name because i have a pretty awesome
0:12:41name great Merlin Mann Marlon Dean man
0:12:44Merlin Dean man the third is a pretty
0:12:46cool name
0:12:46oh my god you could do worse I should
0:12:49have named my daughter Merlin demon the
0:12:50third yeah that would've been real sweet
0:12:52i could do it back if I could do it over
0:12:55if I could go back
0:12:56yeah like but it was like Donna Donna
0:12:59flappy up but Donna flapjacks
0:13:03copy smell that no other Donna flapjacks
0:13:05mean Danny's Donna know he's fast on are
0:13:10faster and faster than all the other
0:13:12fast on huh
0:13:14Don is all the way down you know
0:13:17ok so Marcus says the problem is what he
0:13:21calls the snap to grid problem now in a
0:13:23few you know you don't use computers but
0:13:24you know you can do things like for your
0:13:26icons in a window what will snap to
0:13:28certain pleasing grid I know you're just
0:13:30your little bit you know I don't like
0:13:32when people use those cds and adjectives
0:13:33so I won't do that but I know you like
0:13:34like things to be raised a certain way
0:13:36anybody if my icons on my computer on my
0:13:39computer which I don't have
0:13:41yes my icons are not snap to grid yes I
0:13:44cannot sleep like if one of them is
0:13:46often but I have to come in and do it
0:13:48all over again XD sort alphabetically
0:13:49oil
0:13:51IDK modifydate modified yeah they are
0:13:54sorted alphabetically because date
0:13:55modified at the they're bouncing all
0:13:57over the place I want to be in the same
0:13:58place at the top that's so in your so
0:14:00much more of a Mac user than you think
0:14:03ok but you know what listen I'm gonna
0:14:04write that down type it somewhere market
0:14:06here's the problem so let's say let's
0:14:08say somebody meets the main aim jaunt or
0:14:10jon lord john i'm just mean that upper
0:14:12jaw know I know a guy named John oj onl
0:14:14which is still a silly name that is a
0:14:16sorry John but no i mean like in first
0:14:19John and I gotta spell that his name is
0:14:20spelt jnl it could hardly be any easier
0:14:22without having you know implied letters
0:14:25yeah but I wouldn't assume that no you
0:14:27would say it's joh and dash
0:14:29oh right or j 8 h mo no okay well okay
0:14:34and also i knew a girl in college books
0:14:37and what this school lets people three
0:14:38names names Jonna don't know i know i
0:14:40know john which sounds kinda like you
0:14:42would grant that name a little bit
0:14:43well we could argue sometimes you're
0:14:45like hey Jana I mean a charming you
0:14:48think John it gets mistake for Donna no
0:14:50I think jonna gets mistaken for jama who
0:14:53or ok so you've got John so you are you
0:14:56are already on the grid now Marco most
0:14:58people he says hello my name is Marco
0:14:59and and they're going to hear or
0:15:01remember Marcos right or or some other
0:15:04name that snaps easier to the grid
0:15:06no I'm saying yes yeah well imagine if
0:15:09you were
0:15:10accurist encryption Kirsten
0:15:14this is like water skiers kirsten this
0:15:16is one I have a in the West all the time
0:15:18I don't know you know what I'm in New
0:15:20York is the only in Northwest thing I'm
0:15:22a Christian or a Kirsten a Christian I
0:15:25have never met any of those Kirsten
0:15:27people even crystals yet probably not
0:15:30many crystals i I've never met a crystal
0:15:32back east
0:15:33you're here when I was in elementary
0:15:35school was like Kirsten here Kristen
0:15:38here Kirsten here curve fortran I mean
0:15:42the question every single person every
0:15:45single vowel combinations you can have
0:15:48with a que andar rishton people name
0:15:51their kids out here and i have now and I
0:15:54you when you're in a room with like at
0:15:56like four of them
0:15:58it's easy to get confused it's easy to
0:16:00get jumbled up and Kirsten's really hard
0:16:02because it looks like Kirsten but if you
0:16:04pronounced that wrong they get fucking
0:16:06yeah I've massacres against Pearson and
0:16:08I just want to say that you name is
0:16:09destiny
0:16:10I never met Kristin was a little pissed
0:16:12you know what I've never met Kristin his
0:16:14father wasn't a dentist
0:16:17i'm going to call that Roderick's
0:16:22heuristic you feel like that's backwards
0:16:25compatible like when you meet somebody
0:16:27who is a dentist that has a doctor or
0:16:29dentist has a dot is a pretty good
0:16:31chance pretty good chance her name's
0:16:33Kirsten I'm gonna test that I think that
0:16:35our priority John that fuckin makes
0:16:37sense to me around nine days leave it i
0:16:38believe it
0:16:39huh anyway that's not a great i think
0:16:42that might be geographically determined
0:16:44to i think it's i think it could it
0:16:45could just be like west of the Rockies
0:16:47yeah that's weird there's a lot of
0:16:49crystals and I don't know what got me
0:16:51was close to make of your dentist your
0:16:53daughter's name is Sarah oh yeah eastern
0:16:56seaboard right eastern seaboard Sarah
0:16:58with an H Sarah with an H you know how
0:17:00do you feel about Sarah with no h well i
0:17:02think thats Sarah o2 sets that required
0:17:05I critical i'm not sure i knew a girl
0:17:07named sorrow and that's how she spelt it
0:17:09is a terrible terrible name
0:17:11she was sorrow was from the the the
0:17:15indian subcontinent me and maybe you
0:17:17know can I say saara to me that sounds
0:17:20like military dad that sounds like she
0:17:22had she was Sarah and just a fucking
0:17:23pissed off the colonel she changed it to
0:17:25sorrow
0:17:26sorry that was my mother's name you
0:17:27bitch don't think I I in this witness
0:17:31one instance I think that sorrow might
0:17:33actually be one of the one of the
0:17:35Pantheon 400 gods that live in the in
0:17:38the in Kashmir are we living in
0:17:40direction where you're going to
0:17:41apologize for these kinds of things i
0:17:43don't know i have yet to apologize for
0:17:44anything in my life well let's just hope
0:17:46nothing you know what I hate it was late
0:17:47eighties early nineties continue for
0:17:49awhile and the words up Bell tones and
0:17:51also the Jayden's and kadens and kayla's
0:17:54cadence then you know it all sounds like
0:17:56Jerry Lewis name's Jaden Kayla maybe you
0:18:02know maybe pretty name for a girl maiden
0:18:04yeah they're gonna know but it's a
0:18:07little jewy so it'd be like maad ' n
0:18:10like maiden pretty except when you write
0:18:14it you have to you have to cross out the
0:18:16two middle letters em apostrophe
0:18:18apostrophe apostrophe and 0 because that
0:18:20would be blasphemous yeah
0:18:22oh man will become beasts it would be
0:18:24kind of you know what that's rough
0:18:26the the teller that I like my bank has a
0:18:28Greek name didn't I mean it's like
0:18:30continued on next nameplate her name is
0:18:32really its I don't want to you know talk
0:18:34about a school but the castle Alexis I
0:18:37think that's a Santana record now it's
0:18:40like popolo surprises it's a joke it's a
0:18:44it sounds like somewhere between
0:18:46somebody from from Crete and maybe a
0:18:49Lewis Carroll character
0:18:50yeah it's like those romanian names that
0:18:52are like how talk take to her
0:18:54trent 006 sent me hi I've always been a
0:18:57fan of that one
0:18:58Jane Sarah okay so Sarah alright i'm
0:19:00writing does Sarah okay and I think
0:19:03we've met this before I don't I was that
0:19:07no wait no that was don't tell me that
0:19:08was not starship that was flip4mac no
0:19:13not Fleetwood Mac yeah there is a
0:19:17starship one that I think starship does
0:19:19do Sara Sara smile bottom notes moment
0:19:22you get Sarah which is I think of
0:19:25fleetwood mac song i'm wondering i don't
0:19:27think we would make to sarah doing this
0:19:30shit yeah i'm using the internet man yet
0:19:35not quite keyboard jefferson starship
0:19:38has a song called Sarah and its belt sa
0:19:40RA I think it's sung by that went down
0:19:43on you guy is Marty Marty balan went
0:19:45down on you
0:19:46that's how he wants to be that's it
0:19:48that's his epitaph in your world can't
0:19:50believe that song out on you
0:19:51well can you believe that song ever
0:19:52fucking made it on the radio remember
0:19:54it's not like most innocent didn't I got
0:19:57a taste of the real world when i went
0:20:00down on you girl
0:20:02yeah miracles and you believe like a
0:20:06little baby like that rate to women is
0:20:09that the same song got it takes to the
0:20:10real world when i went down on you girl
0:20:13I wasn't listening google it google it
0:20:16that's a but that is a wonderful song
0:20:18though it's pretty good song
0:20:19I didn't know at first I didn't
0:20:21recognize the version you can i think
0:20:22paul kantner it's got a feeling seems
0:20:26like seems like a man ray manzarek go
0:20:28somewhere and never stop talking right i
0:20:30mean i want to go for a long time when I
0:20:32saw a picture of paul kantner I thought
0:20:35it was Ray Manzarek and vice versa
0:20:37it might be a Clark Kent type situation
0:20:39i have a very very hard time really
0:20:41grasping the whole Jefferson Airplane
0:20:44arc I'm gonna need a new stack from
0:20:48beginning to end
0:20:49friend friend after Hitler and stuff and
0:20:51whatever the follow-up is learn foucault
0:20:53and stuff
0:20:54oh yeah I saw that so what I want to do
0:20:57for food and stuff
0:20:58I just know the names that means no way
0:21:00now see the panopticon guy I mean apart
0:21:02from the guy who came up who came up
0:21:04with an uptick on that's a look at the
0:21:06English for line or something against
0:21:08time
0:21:08oh no it was you're right it was a it
0:21:10was like a hobbit blocked and buried and
0:21:12that's the guy who's in the booth your
0:21:14senior jeremy bentham body you ever seen
0:21:16that you've been body
0:21:17Jeremy Jeremy Jeremy he said to his body
0:21:20is right i mean three bedrooms body
0:21:22that's what I should have named my
0:21:23daughter but the hyphenated hyphenated
0:21:27I'm really having some second one of
0:21:30those terrible names like Sinjin Winston
0:21:33on pocket pot or whatever
0:21:35ok no good now you listen I don't want
0:21:37is an internet thing because I i know
0:21:39that we don't want this to be an
0:21:40Internet to meet we do me a favor and
0:21:42you please google jeremy bentham
0:21:44box let's try that error me I learned
0:21:47this from the book of lists
0:21:48yeah we're coming hours ron jeremy been
0:21:53some box and maybe hit images i should
0:21:56not have named my daughter that haha ah
0:21:59images i use your picture guy with a hat
0:22:03box
0:22:04oh yeah it's not i had it's a hole is a
0:22:06hole man
0:22:07no it's a home and he's gotta stick
0:22:08memory serves he does he has a stick him
0:22:10it's sticking out in between his legs
0:22:12and it looks like a wood PP doesn't look
0:22:14a little like a dunking booth like if
0:22:17you're just feeling like somebody hit
0:22:18the clown and he fell in
0:22:19is that really jeremy bentham over with
0:22:21jeremy bentham I think the I think that
0:22:22he was I think they brought it to
0:22:24meetings I think they have him sit at
0:22:25the head of the table of meetings I
0:22:27don't know a lot about journey about the
0:22:28mall be honest
0:22:29Wow look at that he'll he's got a tan
0:22:32memory serves you know what I'm
0:22:34mummification job was botched and
0:22:36Bentham said came out looking like a
0:22:37dried prune yeah this is why you
0:22:39shouldn't buy on price
0:22:40Oh acts replacement was created let's
0:22:43fuck that this was balanced on top of a
0:22:45body made from some of Bentham's clothes
0:22:47stuff with dry straw so I'm not sure
0:22:50that's gotta be the 19th century John
0:22:52let's not make any sense of don't think
0:22:54that's really jeremy bentham's body I
0:22:56think it's perfect
0:22:57your parent gets a wax head on top of
0:23:00the body stuff was strong barely
0:23:03modified that was initially displayed on
0:23:05the floor between speech it's locked
0:23:09away everything subject to a few too
0:23:12many student pranks and all right boys
0:23:18boys who dont at the litigants let who
0:23:21is holding bedrooms head now
0:23:25um yeah the school cormorant point
0:23:29that's that's a shame that's a shame now
0:23:30is he one of those guys like locking
0:23:32Barkley and all that sparkly Scottish I
0:23:34don't think he's waxes he Gentry my uh
0:23:36well no the Scottish typically are bent
0:23:39embarrassed said now Barclays the guy
0:23:41with the with the the remember that
0:23:42whole thing was it with lock in those
0:23:44guys with where there was started with a
0:23:46cart with the vision and the lenses and
0:23:48how you see and it got real medieval
0:23:49didn't it but wasn't Barkley really into
0:23:52that Barclays the Monad guy isn't likely
0:23:54the Monad guy and having a stroke
0:23:56/ off button
0:24:06micros aunjanue really worried about the
0:24:09pudding opticon no no no
0:24:11shouldn't we should circle back to that
0:24:13because that's the color right info pick
0:24:14that up
0:24:15I'm punishing on punishment was a call
0:24:17by jailing what's a call certainly yeah
0:24:19punishing punishment is that Jenna who
0:24:23is that gentleman i really feel because
0:24:25we feel like this is this is starting to
0:24:27the wheels are starting to come off this
0:24:28way John every nickel of my liberal arts
0:24:31education as well spent part of the guy
0:24:34with lenses he's not the guy that had
0:24:36his crime and crime and grow French
0:24:38crunchiness pumpkin punctuality
0:24:44I just I just been I just been a very
0:24:48frustrating day yesterday arguing with
0:24:50everybody on the internet and just saw
0:24:53your fake quotes no no not the fake ones
0:24:56we were getting mad that day i love the
0:24:58fake quotes don't know the big quotes
0:25:00there was a fun day
0:25:01ok now that and I wasn't really even mad
0:25:03yesterday was just one of those things
0:25:04where you're fielding replies from 50
0:25:06people and everybody it
0:25:09everybody's got to be in their best plan
0:25:11falls apart John yeah and they're said
0:25:12there was some kid who was just like
0:25:14well you've obviously never read
0:25:16Foucault I just I feel like what i
0:25:19should do in those situations just
0:25:20blocked the person instantly you just no
0:25:22no you should spend the day find out
0:25:23where he is
0:25:24well what social teaching a little bit
0:25:26about the fucking pendulum but i always
0:25:27make the mistake of of writing them and
0:25:29saying listen it's routed to assume
0:25:31about other people what they have read
0:25:33it is rude to assume about grown people
0:25:37what their education is you need to
0:25:41check yourself before you say things
0:25:44like that to people that you don't know
0:25:46and he you know he writes back goes well
0:25:50i just it was obvious the bubble and I'm
0:25:52like no no hear your e and and so I
0:25:54wasted a basically I wish on highways 10
0:25:57always 10 milligrams of my brain sauce
0:26:00we had said its education meets team
0:26:02that's hardly trying to put push back
0:26:04against this kid like the problem now we
0:26:06are not we are no longer discussing
0:26:08Foucault what we are discussing now
0:26:09is that you think you need to you need
0:26:12to go back and sit in your chair and
0:26:15think about what you think
0:26:16let me rephrase refrain that's what he
0:26:19hit and it's very very hard it's very
0:26:22hard for me that I can't actually
0:26:24physically grabbed the person and sit
0:26:25them down and saying we are not talking
0:26:28now about asian vs oriental we're
0:26:30talking about here to about you and the
0:26:34things you have done in life that are
0:26:35wrong
0:26:36how do you respond to that like every
0:26:39undergraduate in the world just take me
0:26:41mean no no bladder blather blather
0:26:43blather blather blather
0:26:45yeah so it's a protected takes me a
0:26:49takes me a day or two to recover from
0:26:51some of those encounters that's hard as
0:26:53you get older that takes longer it's
0:26:54like you know it's like we have to bend
0:26:55over and take a day
0:26:57yeah right out the other day god i was
0:26:59walking along and I was like I'm winded
0:27:01I'm genuinely winded I'm confident we
0:27:03can get a story winded I'm winded
0:27:06what if what happened to me yeah I used
0:27:08to be able to uh I used to be able to
0:27:10run up 80 flights of stairs carrying a
0:27:12carrying a person that has asphyxiated
0:27:15it's like the opposite of rescuing
0:27:16somebody yeah take them up take a look
0:27:19this is under you need to learn there's
0:27:21no those fresh air pie
0:27:23oh that's get some smoke rises house
0:27:25before nine eleven this was the logic
0:27:27yeah everything's changed
0:27:29yeah so but now i'm just walking down
0:27:31the street I i was carrying like a bag
0:27:33of groceries are Mike what happened in
0:27:37the amount of oxygen
0:27:38I just don't I just just close the
0:27:40thread on Bentham I don't mean that I
0:27:41don't want to preemptively do this
0:27:43I'm just reviewing his page on wikipedia
0:27:45which is an internet site not he's
0:27:47considered a thinker on the subject of
0:27:48hedonism he's best known for the
0:27:50greatest happiness principle according
0:27:52to which I want to learn more about
0:27:53which sounds that BS the peg last thing
0:27:56you read that with the Voltaire the
0:27:57Pangloss and any and apparently a psycho
0:28:00I this is made up word i think a psycho
0:28:02biographical study takes into account
0:28:04Bentham sex interesting egocentricity
0:28:06obsessive and narrow preoccupations are
0:28:08you listening and apparently diminished
0:28:10imaginative and emotional capacity
0:28:12including may have Asperger's syndrome
0:28:14well that's the future syndrome so he'd
0:28:16fit right in today you know he's a
0:28:18handsome guy I think it's time for a
0:28:20little Franklin things go physically
0:28:22sore
0:28:22frankly but he's got a he's got a
0:28:24protruding lower jaw that I find
0:28:26distinguish like an underbite amit well
0:28:29yeah as long as for you like another
0:28:31point
0:28:32speaking of someone who has a little bit
0:28:33of a little bit of an overbite season 1i
0:28:38have have some kind of but I think you
0:28:39gotta buy yeah i think freddie mercury
0:28:41hanover but I think you might have an
0:28:42underbite maybe I have an under my lady
0:28:44and I remember which felt that we should
0:28:46all know I do i do everything I think
0:28:48everybody gets talked about it
0:28:49yeah i think if he cut two inches off
0:28:51that hair he look a lot better than a
0:28:52lot more slender but that's the thing
0:28:54that's the thing with something about
0:28:56style how you decide how to decide in he
0:28:59died in 1832 so that was the 19th
0:29:00century of course as the 19th century
0:29:02could fuck up a wet dream
0:29:04they taught me so much in a really
0:29:05became problematic why they do it in the
0:29:08new quite a bit not as much as that is
0:29:09the 18th century you think that between
0:29:12the 18th century the 19th century some
0:29:14knowledge was lost used to tell me that
0:29:16can't happen the knowledge got lost in
0:29:18the same the that library in Alexandria
0:29:21Virginia burn down
0:29:23mhm thanks but you follow my train of
0:29:24thought on this why do but I feel like
0:29:26what happened I feel like the 18th
0:29:28century was a time when people furthered
0:29:30considerable made considerable progress
0:29:32in in terms of like ideal idealized
0:29:36knowledge everybody was you know kind of
0:29:39and putting a new putting theories
0:29:41initially into practice them everything
0:29:43fresh raw fresh yeah it was all fresh in
0:29:45the 19th century everybody I mean there
0:29:48was a lot of dealing with the fallout
0:29:49and the consequences of taking your
0:29:52philosophy and building a government
0:29:54around it and they got commercialized oh
0:29:59well then of course the ads yeah dad's
0:30:02really well he had covered a lot of
0:30:03ground I at some point and maybe not
0:30:05today at the circle back to
0:30:06utilitarianism these Ivy also the source
0:30:10of where you're nice to people for no
0:30:11reason so-called when your sadhana now
0:30:16when I what was that thing we go
0:30:19you got any more notes
0:30:23I'm just you know what I do I can't get
0:30:25any more notes I've got any more notes I
0:30:27think he's given up i keep a little snot
0:30:29in the back of my throat now so that
0:30:30when you start talking about like like
0:30:3218th century possibly i just do i get to
0:30:34suck a little pieces not back in really
0:30:36well it's clear to me that you've never
0:30:37read the wealth of nations ah you know
0:30:43it's funny it's like essay question guy
0:30:45right it'sit's like i have prepared this
0:30:47one thing it's a little bit Ignatius
0:30:49Riley like you've got this one reference
0:30:51like the one looky you've been holding
0:30:52in your throat it's the one in the
0:30:53chamber
0:30:54no I'm saying have you been written on
0:30:55your big chief tablet that you read that
0:30:58book
0:30:59oh no that's my favorite novels I told
0:31:02you this didn't either when I first
0:31:04moved to Seattle my I had my name in the
0:31:06phone book as John Ignatius robbery
0:31:08are you kidding now I was so proud every
0:31:11time I looked out i mean i was the only
0:31:13one that ever looked myself up in the
0:31:15phone book a time but there was my name
0:31:17John Ignatius Roderick oh you know I
0:31:19gotta tell you I like your middle name
0:31:21I i like your middle name right now a
0:31:23lot of Ignatius is good
0:31:26Ignatius is good coffee I are so bad
0:31:28that I didn't have my daughter that
0:31:29Ignatius Ignatius Ignatius j Roderick
0:31:34also what I was trying to think of how
0:31:35we do things just because for no reason
0:31:37for I said what's called cut all this
0:31:40out amore
0:31:41yeah it's called the country altruism
0:31:43altruism naturalism is that different
0:31:45from utilitarianism yes it's about
0:31:47utilitarianism is is the thing that's
0:31:49going to be the most good for the most
0:31:50people is that is that a thumbnail
0:31:52sketch
0:31:52yeah basically ok it's kind of boring
0:31:54anyway jeremy bentham he know he
0:31:57actually if he had a little less here in
0:31:59the back you look a lot like Alfred
0:32:00Hitchcock interesting how do you decide
0:32:03when to let your hair stop growing in
0:32:04the late 18th century I think you just
0:32:08let it keep growing
0:32:09the question for me is how at what point
0:32:12see this is that it's the beard question
0:32:14that keeps coming and going like we're
0:32:16obviously entering them entering a
0:32:17bearded face so it's it's it's going to
0:32:19be that this is the Gilded Age of beards
0:32:22yeah and and the last time we really
0:32:24properly had one of these was the late
0:32:2519th century at you know like oh you
0:32:29mean the really ambitious beers were
0:32:30happening from 1870s I'm not
0:32:33and shave and go see Bobby Kennedy you
0:32:35mean seriously like let it go and yeah
0:32:38like a winning maybe role of women from
0:32:411862 not to basically 1900 big big big
0:32:46beards she could I wish I don't like PBS
0:32:49I really wish you had something
0:32:51regularly on PBS
0:32:53I don't care what I don't fucking care
0:32:54what it is I don't even care of it as a
0:32:55nap on the on the iphone store i want
0:32:57you to do something on PBS where you sit
0:32:59in a chair and explain things well I
0:33:01could do a similar chair and then you
0:33:02could be offstage reading off of
0:33:04Wikipedia going well what's altruism and
0:33:07I'm like well and then you move on to
0:33:10the next
0:33:11well obviously you've never read cyrano
0:33:13de bergerac I what kind of dad what
0:33:18about you can again we're covering a lot
0:33:20of ground and homey
0:33:21damn i'm just gonna call you Dan the day
0:33:24I got the thing i wrote down want to
0:33:25call talk about the different John's I'm
0:33:26very intrigued by the different jobs now
0:33:28one thing on my way to pick up my thai
0:33:30food
0:33:30I don't think pong but I the end you
0:33:33know a lot of places
0:33:34oh yeah and you know we gotta come back
0:33:35to is a cleanliness Italian and noise in
0:33:37the background I really that's that's
0:33:39important and I think you can help
0:33:40people with that it was one of these
0:33:42shows and it used to be you know you had
0:33:43the american idol and you could always
0:33:45tell because that cocksucker was always
0:33:47on it
0:33:47announcement ok and the thing was now
0:33:49here's the thing with the shows they get
0:33:51sponsored which is fine but then they
0:33:53always have a diet coke for a while I
0:33:55think they have a can or a bottle of
0:33:56diet coke and that wasn't enough so then
0:33:58they got the original desk
0:34:00oh yeah face let go out go out and looks
0:34:02like they're enjoying a drink while
0:34:03they're judging people
0:34:04so you know as you do and and then I
0:34:06think it became a larger and larger
0:34:08until you have a big gulp style terrine
0:34:10and this one that I saw I think was
0:34:12Howard Stern he had shorter hair looks a
0:34:14lot older so i assume is Howard Stern
0:34:15had this creepy Joey Ramone glasses
0:34:17that's gonna be Howard Stern right
0:34:18probably program is hard to be hard to
0:34:21is the mistake for anybody other than
0:34:23join the sound
0:34:24yeah we have a relative who has that has
0:34:27that the german thing
0:34:29oh yeah yeah yeah like nervous Rondo
0:34:32Hatton thing but you know the thing
0:34:33we're part of your body keep growing
0:34:34yeah it's so it's called you know Rondo
0:34:37Hatton had it
0:34:38yeah it's it's the weekend just go
0:34:41special attention of wikipedia what is
0:34:44entitilitus
0:34:45it's it's not elephantitis it's a it's
0:34:49always about you as soon as we can
0:34:50yes Abe Lincoln disease your game you
0:34:52save the country that's totally it
0:34:54around my eyes too far as i know he's
0:34:55not gay but no that's a problem at home
0:34:58that's totally different under the giant
0:35:00hand right I think so yeah that's that's
0:35:02that's giantism and that's different for
0:35:06the tip that's that's totally different
0:35:09John that's it that's the three
0:35:10different from andre previn yeah okay
0:35:14and he's the bad guy was with the lady
0:35:16that had the problem with the hair kinda
0:35:18looked like Joey Ramone fat factory
0:35:20remote that's a remote area of said
0:35:22everything to timesthat on banjo and
0:35:24then there's other children and there's
0:35:25another jelly and there's a Joey Bella
0:35:27okay god I don't you call me god damn it
0:35:32wish lowercase G you're in the pantheon
0:35:35but not by much on boy i'm outside the
0:35:38pantheon you're standing outside the
0:35:40pantheon elevated my fingernails with
0:35:42the wrong a chair through the window and
0:35:44setting the place on fire
0:35:46my daughter says that now sometimes
0:35:48sometimes you just gotta burn the
0:35:50building down
0:35:51yeah that's gonna get this one to watch
0:35:53the world burn
0:35:54what's that from that's another movie
0:35:56quote I don't know that one
0:35:57okay okay here's the thing i don't
0:35:59overextend this I think Hitler and stuff
0:36:01has got to happen but I don't know I
0:36:03just feel like there's a whole lot of
0:36:04brand extensions we can do if we quit if
0:36:05we had jobs we should quit them we
0:36:07should get jobs and quit them and then
0:36:09we should all right quit my job I hereby
0:36:11quit my job
0:36:12okay you know what I will too I'm gonna
0:36:13put on notice in today my boss is an
0:36:15asshole
0:36:16I'm Bentham TV for lonely people dental
0:36:19oh and so anyway the point is on howard
0:36:21stern show that was needed thank Christ
0:36:23everybody had a giant terrine with snap
0:36:26all on the front of it you can things
0:36:28obviously you know if you watch somebody
0:36:29drink a drink you for watching like a
0:36:31commercial when somebody eats a
0:36:32hamburger with two fingers
0:36:34you don't mean like over-the-top and the
0:36:35haha and the other thing and it's like
0:36:37to display the burger nobody fucking
0:36:39eats like that nobody has a giant screen
0:36:41a snapple with the logo out
0:36:43well it's like that it's like I was
0:36:45talking about that that add that used to
0:36:47run for the hot tub place here in
0:36:48Seattle with him that was called tubs
0:36:51where you go and like rent hot tub for
0:36:54an hour with your friends
0:36:55and let the advertisement that I had for
0:36:58this place was a girl in a bikini
0:36:59standing waist-deep in a hot tub and it
0:37:03right by Wright and are in one hand she
0:37:05was drinking like a like a martini glass
0:37:08style cocktail and she was using the
0:37:11other hand to sensuously brush back her
0:37:15hair and I realized a long time ago you
0:37:19couldn't do both things I'm it's
0:37:21bubbling water in a bubbling hot liquid
0:37:24shots jacuzzi shots to find out you can
0:37:26see brand shot is a bubbling hot tub
0:37:27that that 25 other people had used that
0:37:30day
0:37:31okay I'm gonna come back to that I'm
0:37:32sure we talked about the we talked about
0:37:34the shoot was she wearing a two-piece it
0:37:36was a two-piece you know I'm afraid I'm
0:37:38afraid that this may be the first
0:37:40instance of us actually repeating
0:37:41ourselves in Iraq and I do it came from
0:37:43me no you don't repeat yourself a lot
0:37:45what are you talking about what if i
0:37:47said that i ever said before you don't
0:37:48know I've repeated myself you don't you
0:37:51are so i wasn't sure i don't listen to
0:37:53the podcast so what I've told stories
0:37:55that I told multiple times you get
0:37:56around me my god i'm embarrassed about
0:38:00this now I morning about you know my dad
0:38:02told the series dairy stuff nothing but
0:38:04my dad told the same story every day for
0:38:0540 years and that's wrong how I don't
0:38:08know you got some really good stories
0:38:10did amazing things John is like I've
0:38:12learned well not days like today but
0:38:14sometimes I just get out of your way i
0:38:15learn the cues that mean you're about to
0:38:17tell one of your great stories and I try
0:38:19to get out of the way I think today
0:38:21we're doing a lot of a lot of
0:38:22philosophical clean up well we're doing
0:38:24something I feel like we're sweeping
0:38:25where who are sweeping words around a
0:38:27big auditorium in that case i will
0:38:29quickly get this out of the way this
0:38:30comes with Italian dry salami dry cop
0:38:32prosciutto and black pepper coated
0:38:34Italian dry salami
0:38:35so you get with without the pepper and
0:38:36the problem is for my daughter
0:38:37standpoint the pepper getting any
0:38:39readings and the salami was dr pepper
0:38:41cured salami black pepper code Italian
0:38:43dry salami is one of the ingredients in
0:38:45the salami
0:38:47I'm sorry the bullets on the front and
0:38:48check the palace I think he's got oh my
0:38:50goodness there's a lot of ingredients on
0:38:52you know there are my goodness well the
0:38:56first green all there is pouring out the
0:38:57big those pituitary gland soft by
0:38:59dipping them in forever change how much
0:39:01I hate things that are named with the
0:39:03series of nouns I don't like that I
0:39:04don't trust that like the idea of
0:39:06something called poor
0:39:07shoulder but haha really i don't think
0:39:12you can have port for always the butt of
0:39:14the pork shoulder
0:39:16see now we're overthinking that here's
0:39:18the problem i don't travel as much as I
0:39:20used to but it's used to be almost
0:39:22exclusively a problem of travel and
0:39:24sports bars but i think its extended arm
0:39:27i well it's not because sports bars have
0:39:30now morphed into all those airport Irish
0:39:32bars
0:39:33yeah kinda Connors that punching
0:39:35punching tits yeah inviting my yard of
0:39:39beer
0:39:39I i well I wanted to us I wanted to a
0:39:41sports bar the other day in an airport
0:39:43somewhere and it was they were playing
0:39:46the guy it was like themed it wasn't
0:39:49just the guy was playing his mixtape but
0:39:52it was a sports bar but it was themed
0:39:54somehow so that they were playing live
0:39:57recordings of blues classics but not
0:40:03blues classics by the original blues
0:40:04artists but blues classics by counting
0:40:07crows covering son house
0:40:09eric clapton live in the eighties
0:40:13followed by BB king live in the eighties
0:40:16followed by George Thorogood now Katie's
0:40:19honors thought it was the music was it
0:40:21was all live takes of life that's when
0:40:25just said she was pretending it was like
0:40:28my right down the crapper or its little
0:40:31it was so awful it actually was curdling
0:40:34milk I i asked for cream and curdled I
0:40:37ask for another one curled in the way
0:40:41that it that we have to get out of here
0:40:43I'm not gonna come not gonna ruin three
0:40:45cups of coffee tell me this tell me this
0:40:46resonates though because I mean I I
0:40:48always felt this was something
0:40:50well you know let's say it started with
0:40:51the sports bars probably but i think men
0:40:53in particular are very lonely and I
0:40:55think when you go to somebody's house
0:40:57and having a nice conversation and
0:40:58nobody thinks to turn off the fucking
0:41:00television
0:41:01I think it's because people are lonely
0:41:03and they like to have a little voice
0:41:04near them and I think when men go to
0:41:06airports just drives me crazy because no
0:41:08matter where you sit in an airport there
0:41:09are many many voices apart from the ones
0:41:11in my head
0:41:12which is first of all there's the
0:41:13pointless tsa warnings the drone on
0:41:15right behind her back or front of a kind
0:41:17of all you know and you wouldn't know if
0:41:19there's a bomb in the fucking place
0:41:20because there's all this chatter and
0:41:21then CNN thing and admits the bombs
0:41:25themselves are whispering I'm a bomb I'm
0:41:28a bomb if you listen carefully you can
0:41:30hear if you can hear it over Anderson
0:41:32Cooper I just a lot of Allah and then
0:41:35you go so what do you do in my case on
0:41:36girl found 10 desert island ever notice
0:41:39sunday night sunday nights or when they
0:41:40get a lot of the dead lady stories i
0:41:42think sunday is a slow news day and I've
0:41:44noticed on news sites that's when they
0:41:45pull out a lot of the dead people
0:41:47stories just watch for it
0:41:48I don't need to know I'm just saying
0:41:49lump in and out there i don't watch the
0:41:51to be so then i'll drop 50 bucks because
0:41:52I want to get away from the din and i'll
0:41:54go into i'll pay to go because I'm not
0:41:55like a sandwich bar well-known have a
0:41:57cover charge but if i want to go to the
0:41:58Lambs right
0:41:59oh I don't mind right fancy guy like
0:42:02find solace sometimes I got the miles
0:42:04and these days not as much but I'll say
0:42:05you know what I'm willing I've got a
0:42:07two-hour wait i would like to go
0:42:08somewhere and have a beverage and sit
0:42:10down and listen to my room where there's
0:42:11a banana in a bowl
0:42:12yeah and there's like six people sitting
0:42:16with laptops on their last didn't used
0:42:18to be nicer in those and it's like hey
0:42:20there's a banana the ball anybody can
0:42:21meet that you know what's in there
0:42:23there are screens and screens and
0:42:25screens even in the quiet room there's
0:42:27screens and his people screaming into
0:42:29the phone you just pee there's no quiet
0:42:31in public anymore I know I talk a lot
0:42:32but when i'm in public i'm very quiet
0:42:34and it's maddening to me and I think
0:42:36this is extending to everywhere I think
0:42:37people are lonely and needed in of noise
0:42:39yeah i agree i think that that is the
0:42:41whole business with sports you can sit
0:42:43you can sit alone in your bachelor
0:42:46apartment and listen to people yelling
0:42:48and yell at them yourself and that's
0:42:53like sports TV or sports radio you get
0:42:55to yell at the thing and they're yelling
0:42:56and it feels like you're in a big
0:42:58boisterous room full of people and you
0:43:00can talk about next to nothing and you
0:43:02don't mind dying about that guy having
0:43:04having having ever know the thing about
0:43:06that guy's got athleticism really the
0:43:08professional athlete has athleticism and
0:43:10I really it's going to be a question of
0:43:11whoever but some of the smartest points
0:43:13on the board
0:43:15well this is the thing this is the
0:43:16problem and hate your enemy sports
0:43:18Johnny hate sports culture and it makes
0:43:19me angry you do sports culture something
0:43:22might be clear my daughter play soccer I
0:43:23like soccer
0:43:24I'm angry about sports culture it's a
0:43:26it's the rare person that hates actual
0:43:28sport
0:43:30yeah it's it's sports culture that
0:43:32people hate absolutely true but i have
0:43:34no idea where I'm going I'm sorry I like
0:43:36bugs me that bugs me i don't think i
0:43:37should have to be the weirdo are you
0:43:39kidding me you live on the internet
0:43:40everybody on the internet hate sports
0:43:41relationship for the sports corner of
0:43:43the internet but I can't go to any place
0:43:47in public now because I even the lobbies
0:43:49of hotels the lobbies of office
0:43:53buildings have TVs big TVs that are
0:43:57yelling at you about the new dead girl
0:43:59they found on the on the pacific
0:44:02islander they're yelling at you about
0:44:03the about the car chase that's happening
0:44:05like it's happening it's it's really
0:44:07Minority Report like that's third movie
0:44:09reference leaves a quote but the third
0:44:12movie reference of this podcast with TVs
0:44:15yelling at me everywhere I go I don't
0:44:16want to i don't iike it said this is
0:44:18worse or the same but like the one the
0:44:20one that really really gets under my
0:44:22skin because it's so visually and
0:44:24aurally cluttered is whatever i don't
0:44:26know i guess like CNBC but somewhere
0:44:28screaming about finance about a story
0:44:31that's still emerging it's not like
0:44:33anybody's ever done any actual research
0:44:34they're standing somewhere about goes
0:44:35ding-ding-ding and people invest in
0:44:37running around and acting like that some
0:44:38kind of reporting you know and I I don't
0:44:41smoke but if you go to the kind of place
0:44:42where people smoke in a room there will
0:44:46always be something on about the sports
0:44:49or there will be something on about the
0:44:51finance and then people will talk about
0:44:52the finance and nothing is worse than
0:44:55hearing people watch a financial
0:44:57financial show and talk about fun
0:44:58I don't know if I feel worse would you
0:45:00like to hear me talk about finance for
0:45:01an hour I would absolutely what you want
0:45:04else you've been through the process
0:45:05let's write that on another card that'll
0:45:07be another podcast these guys are
0:45:08talking about shorting and commodities
0:45:10they don't know what the fuck you're
0:45:11talking about
0:45:12they're watching a TV show and that's
0:45:13how they decide to spend their money
0:45:14like how is that better than infomercial
0:45:16when I when I was getting my house
0:45:18mortgaged I don't then I for a while I
0:45:20was talking about getting a remortgage
0:45:21right and I start talking to this broker
0:45:23and this guy he's a real personable guy
0:45:26he's a guy that I like instinctively
0:45:29right away felt like oh this is a guy my
0:45:31age who can
0:45:33he's he's finally a guy in the financial
0:45:35sector who just wants to talk like a guy
0:45:38and he wants to break it down real
0:45:40simple
0:45:41here's how it's gonna go and so we
0:45:44started talking and we kind of had a we
0:45:45had a very good report i was the
0:45:47government refinance my house with this
0:45:48guy and then at one point I asked a
0:45:52question about it some Arcana in the you
0:45:59know in the way the mortgage has been
0:46:00calculated and he went from being this
0:46:03normal guy that I was enjoying very much
0:46:06that i felt like if i went and got beers
0:46:07with guys i would go get a beer with
0:46:09this guy right and he he just turned on
0:46:12a dime and became this row robot talk
0:46:18monster
0:46:19I'm just like well what happens is what
0:46:21everybody Robert bit and he starts
0:46:24talking in this this this like financial
0:46:26TV reporter voice and trying to he was
0:46:30not trying to explain anymore
0:46:33what what I you know that he was not
0:46:35trying to explain it in human language
0:46:37what he was doing with my mortgage gray
0:46:38he was trying to bully me into into
0:46:43saying never mind he's trying to bully
0:46:45me into saying like okay thank you very
0:46:47much i got it now and he was trying to
0:46:49do that to to mask the fact that he
0:46:53didn't understand it right and he had
0:46:56all he had all this tremendous this
0:46:58verbiage that he was just she was gonna
0:47:01spew at me until I went right right okay
0:47:04thank you is like a smokescreen it
0:47:06wasn't a smokescreen because i did not
0:47:09get the sense because I because I went
0:47:10through this a couple times because i
0:47:11wanted to make sure like that i talked
0:47:13to him a couple days later and i asked
0:47:14him the same question I got the same
0:47:16response and I did not get the sense
0:47:18that it was a smokescreen because he was
0:47:19trying to conceal something on there is
0:47:23something in ethical or that he was
0:47:24trying to he was trying to pull a fast
0:47:27one who as much as he didn't understand
0:47:30how it worked either and he was now he
0:47:34had reached the threshold had reached
0:47:36the point of his own ignorance and now
0:47:39he was just gonna spew what he'd been
0:47:41talks in business school or what he'd
0:47:44been taught at the mortgage seminar
0:47:45where he learned his trade he just
0:47:47started spewing this this litany at me
0:47:51it and any was hoping that it would that
0:47:55would fool me as it had fooled him as it
0:47:58has probably fooled his boss right like
0:48:00that he was hoping it would sound
0:48:01reasonable and i would get tired of that
0:48:05and I think he was I think he did not
0:48:08see the logical inconsistencies and what
0:48:11he was saying and he did he was not
0:48:12aware that I was noticing them and
0:48:14saying like what wait a minute will want
0:48:16what
0:48:17now wait a minute that does actually now
0:48:19you're that's not how you use a
0:48:21gentleman maybe when he goes into that
0:48:22mode he even stops noticing like how
0:48:26little sense he makes a stop the reading
0:48:28and the kickers little ass p and she was
0:48:30reading emotions yeah exactly exactly
0:48:32and I get that I get that sense whenever
0:48:35whenever I'm dealing with
0:48:36well whatever i'm doing with
0:48:37functionaries are people at the mid
0:48:39level of any kind of technical
0:48:41discipline they reached the point where
0:48:44they can no longer at answer they can no
0:48:47longer answer questions from it from a
0:48:49from a layman who is paying attention
0:48:51because as a Raymond the technical the
0:48:55you know the jargon it's charging the
0:48:57technical jargon or the technical
0:48:58explosion of language is not interesting
0:49:00you're following the big picture and you
0:49:03want to know the answer to the next big
0:49:04picture question and you reach the point
0:49:06where the person that you're talking to
0:49:08just doesn't have that day they have not
0:49:11they don't have a conception of the of
0:49:13the larger structure that what they're
0:49:15doing how it fits into it right and so
0:49:18they just start he just start blathering
0:49:19it's like that that that that's that is
0:49:21one of the main problems with dealing
0:49:23with with the with you know staffers
0:49:26from yeah let's say you go you go all
0:49:29the way up the chain you get to the
0:49:30executive vice president he doesn't know
0:49:32either
0:49:32I'm starting to realize this is dealing
0:49:34with people in corporate in the
0:49:36corporate world a little bit more the
0:49:37vice president actually doesn't know
0:49:40either
0:49:40he just backs up into the mission
0:49:41statement and starts repeating it
0:49:44he doesn't know what they're doing
0:49:45either or how it really fits into the
0:49:47big picture
0:49:48my son has problems problem with jargon
0:49:50in general because I think jargon is
0:49:52like the whatever the black Brooks
0:49:53Brothers suit like it becomes this way
0:49:55of speaking to everybody else in this
0:49:57patois that that eventually can become
0:49:59entirely empty but is very comfortable
0:50:02to everybody and you know there's these
0:50:03two phrases that I joke about a lot and
0:50:05the two phrases are turns out and so and
0:50:09and turns out is a journalist
0:50:10smokescreen because you say turns out as
0:50:13you introduce something that you didn't
0:50:14actually discover but you think sounds
0:50:16contrary to conventional wisdom and
0:50:18therefore you now sound smart right
0:50:19you'll hear this once you start here at
0:50:21here listening for this you turns out
0:50:22you use that a lot in our podcast I you
0:50:24know what I used to say turns out
0:50:26because it became a tick it maybe it's a
0:50:28tick when you said well it turns out
0:50:30it's and then the opposite of what you
0:50:32think i was so worked in that context
0:50:35well I'm ask me a fairly straightforward
0:50:37question about something
0:50:38Merlin how do you feel of the the jets
0:50:43are going to do this season so sports
0:50:47can be complicated to analyze and
0:50:49understand that really ate on any given
0:50:52sunday so i met people that you can ask
0:50:57i think it's like silently i write it as
0:51:00for my little bit tricky character i
0:51:01read it is so period but I think it's
0:51:03really so colon and I think it's a PR
0:51:05move that people have absorbed from
0:51:07hearing other people use it and becomes
0:51:08a way to not answer a question kind of
0:51:11politician thing when you use when you
0:51:13begin the answer to a question your
0:51:16answer your question was so right
0:51:18your-your-your either trying to stall
0:51:19for time to think of an answer or just
0:51:22as often i mean i think that's what
0:51:23happens when you start doing is a tick
0:51:24but but but i think the trick to so is
0:51:27that your answer the question you want
0:51:28to answer instead of plainly answering
0:51:31the very simple fucking question that
0:51:33someone just asked you right and it's a
0:51:35consult II kind of thing to do because
0:51:38consider you know that the consultant
0:51:39people you know you ever hear this quote
0:51:41I I don't love bromides but i think this
0:51:44is kurt vonnegut said this to anybody
0:51:45who can explain what they do for a
0:51:47living to a ten-year-old as a charlatan
0:51:48m which i think is i think that's that's
0:51:51once you think about that
0:51:54oh my god but that is true that's true
0:51:55of eighty percent of our economy now I
0:51:58mean I have this problem all the time
0:51:59asking people what do you do they start
0:52:01to go but
0:52:02I'm in communications yeah and I got no
0:52:05no tell me what you do and and
0:52:07ultimately they don't know they are they
0:52:09do not know it's not that they are it's
0:52:11not that they are it's not that they are
0:52:13they are the charlatan read that they
0:52:15are cog in a Charlotte Charlotte feel
0:52:18there's a terracotta in charlotte anak
0:52:21world where there was nobody knows
0:52:24what's happening is where you and your
0:52:26company if the if your company performs
0:52:29some service for other companies that
0:52:31you can tell me what it is your service
0:52:33provider but there's no your service
0:52:35provider maybe maybe your solution
0:52:36provider and there's 300 people working
0:52:38at that company and you still can't tell
0:52:40me what exactly it does
0:52:42oh my god get out get out now it is true
0:52:46but you know it's it's also on the one
0:52:47hand i get that because I i understand
0:52:50you know i'm a huge fan of you know
0:52:52whether or not you love the music I
0:52:54really like Bob Dylan and I really like
0:52:55Bruce Springsteen from old friends I'm
0:52:58not let me tell you why you see whether
0:52:59or not you love his music I really i
0:53:01gotta say well why I didn't want to get
0:53:03into a thing with you cuz i know you're
0:53:04not a fan of any point i'm a final
0:53:06fantasy Bob ok when i'm a fan actually a
0:53:08fair but it's one thing i like about
0:53:10John Roderick is is this resistance to
0:53:13have you define me
0:53:14I don't like being defined right and so
0:53:16I completely understand the desire to
0:53:18say well no I'm not that thing so you
0:53:21say to somebody
0:53:22well oh so your PR person in like also
0:53:25so basically you work for businesses and
0:53:28you do a certain kind of public
0:53:30messaging through things like press
0:53:32releases that tries to make them look
0:53:33good mostly for free
0:53:34well no actually I'm a communications
0:53:36professional social media uh now this
0:53:39happen to me when they won and why do
0:53:41you use that voice that sounds like the
0:53:43interior decorator in beetlejuice
0:53:45actually I think it's tim gunn from from
0:53:48that from that was called Project Runway
0:53:51health concerns
0:53:53well i have watched that show you're
0:53:55talking to shadow the regal blonde
0:53:57person that helps them with tailored
0:54:00clothes
0:54:00yes very interesting i like that guy
0:54:02like the or could be home count also
0:54:04think it's stupid should narrow like
0:54:06Cupid you're told you're fat will be
0:54:09skinny
0:54:10mama's got video Burger King bathroom
0:54:12but the network MC Blowfish
0:54:16I can't believe you know so many things
0:54:18I mean I know you know stuff from dusty
0:54:20books and no one cares about but me no
0:54:22fuckin happy home
0:54:23no shock g I i know i don't see
0:54:25Christina different don't just know
0:54:27humpty-hump I know every track on that
0:54:30record back are rare bird i love that
0:54:34record
0:54:34oh my gosh we should talk about music on
0:54:36our other show Hitler music Hitler and
0:54:38stuff Hillary music okay to learn
0:54:40Foucault anyway this is boring now so
0:54:42what you know I one of the things I've
0:54:44caught myself saying now I've got I've
0:54:45got a tick a vocal tic for a verbal tic
0:54:48get several you like five
0:54:50no wonder my verbal tics continue come
0:54:52on tell me you can't just say something
0:54:53like that and then walk away in any case
0:54:56do I say in any case that's what don't
0:55:01know i can tell you exactly what in any
0:55:03case means to be in any case means
0:55:05Merlin has finally kind of stopped
0:55:07talking and I would like to continue
0:55:09with my point now where I think you know
0:55:11that something your flowers and boxes
0:55:12and you bring him home when you put them
0:55:13in the window that's the next night and
0:55:14now you know the thing is that you have
0:55:15cut sausage into smaller pieces you can
0:55:16cook it faster
0:55:18well in any case haha
0:55:21in any case one of the things that I
0:55:23have taught myself saying recently is no
0:55:26kidding
0:55:26and I say that as someone is talking to
0:55:29me about stuff and every time they you
0:55:32know every time they're like and then I
0:55:34went to the store when i get it and i
0:55:38get the story there were things for sale
0:55:39are you reading a paper
0:55:41mentally I see reading the paper when
0:55:43you say that no kidding and I caught
0:55:45myself the other day I would I was
0:55:46talking to somebody out in the street
0:55:48and I realized I had said no kidding 45
0:55:51times
0:55:51yeah in in the space of a 20-minute
0:55:53conversation was like oh my god I gotta
0:55:55stop doing that
0:55:56no kidding guys out of that dozens of
0:55:58this
0:55:59no kidding yeah because you can see a
0:56:02couple of different ways to like huh
0:56:03no kidding I'm and my mine are like you
0:56:06know what is just embarrassing i can't
0:56:07get into it what what what's your worst
0:56:09one right now my worst one right now I i
0:56:12somehow i actually got this from you
0:56:15accidentally you use it sparingly
0:56:19but you took it to a higher lie i use it
0:56:22super often what is it prepending an
0:56:26adjective with super oh that's super
0:56:29annoyed at xiii can tell you where most
0:56:32of my I could tell you where most of my
0:56:34tips have come from and that's from an
0:56:35interview you and I did when you were
0:56:37talking about people not wanting to pay
0:56:38you for shows and I've actually used
0:56:40almost as script almost this exact
0:56:42sentence from you which is I'm super
0:56:44grateful that year that it outta da yeah
0:56:47and I think that's where I got it from
0:56:48and now i can I ipad absorb you know
0:56:51John I'm a liberal artist i absorb its
0:56:54true well and you also you are you're
0:56:56very good at at you know at pulling and
0:57:01pulling the fruit off of things now I'm
0:57:02not just the low-hanging fruit can find
0:57:04that you find the delicious berry that's
0:57:07embedded in the in the the scrum of
0:57:10leaves you pull the berry out in your
0:57:12like see what was there see what was
0:57:14there you didn't see it
0:57:15you saw the scrum of leaves here's the
0:57:17delicious you say i'm going to finger
0:57:18the scrum of leaves to find that nascent
0:57:21Barry that's what I'm saying I'm saying
0:57:23you go face-first such as I just became
0:57:25Gary Snyder you can even fingering the
0:57:28scrum of we your face first to the scrum
0:57:30of leaves
0:57:31thank you basically delicious berry it
0:57:35face first in this kind of leaves
0:57:38wow we got we got a lot open threads is
0:57:40good stuff so you know you're not so r
0:57:42naught a naught comma Connery no I'm
0:57:44going to comic con tomorrow although
0:57:46that has now located this podcast in
0:57:49time and space with that don't know what
0:57:50year
0:57:51don't know what you're you don't get the
0:57:52East Coast West Coast could become
0:57:53conure oh that's true this could be
0:57:55comic-con 2002 everything's changed
0:58:00I'm going tomorrow I I i went to one
0:58:01last year so the the the bloom is off
0:58:03the rose in the sense of like last year
0:58:06I had the pleasant surprise of walking
0:58:08around a giant convention center full of
0:58:10slavery is who and and thinking like
0:58:14this is dumb and then walking into a
0:58:16room that had a hundred million comic
0:58:21books all presided over by like 55 year
0:58:24old guys with the with like George Lucas
0:58:28beer lot a lot of dander and and and i
0:58:31was suddenly in heaven
0:58:32and I was walking around saying all
0:58:33these guys like you don't have by any
0:58:35chance national lampoon number to do you
0:58:38and then they would go there soon turns
0:58:43out of have a repressing but i think you
0:58:48know in that case that's going to begin
0:58:49with the exhale that's gonna and then
0:58:51that's a comic book I but it's that was
0:58:52going to be right look server condition
0:58:56itself it's laptop near-mint I was so
0:59:00excited to be in this room and realizing
0:59:02the comic-con was really at the at the
0:59:04core of it if you went all the way into
0:59:06the center of the death grip death star
0:59:08there was actually a room full of comic
0:59:10books and it wasn't just that there were
0:59:12the teacher comic books there were comic
0:59:14books here at this festival of people
0:59:17that are like lined up to talk about
0:59:20Twilight or walking around dressed like
0:59:23my six-year solid seven metal bikinis
0:59:27solid seven metal bikinis
0:59:30that's one of my favorite pavement songs
0:59:32it's in 72 it is great
0:59:36yes got its gonna get a slightly kind of
0:59:38chromatic guitar opening its little slow
0:59:40going and then some out of tune singing
0:59:43from a guy that it turns out i can
0:59:45actually sing
0:59:46yeah but anyway so I had a great time
0:59:48now this year I'm going back with the
0:59:50knowledge that in the center of this
0:59:53like rat king of nerds is a room full of
0:59:58comic books and
0:59:58comic books and
1:00:00I want to get there and I'm worried that
1:00:03it's gonna change my experience because
1:00:06I'm about because you're gonna go so
1:00:07you're gonna go straight straight past
1:00:08the Slayers right now the comment i
1:00:10wandered I've spent three hours
1:00:11wandering around this man i mean this
1:00:13this convention center is like three
1:00:15aircraft carriers and to end and you're
1:00:17walking from room to room and you're
1:00:18just like what room is this kind of the
1:00:20new stop button is itself is kind of the
1:00:22new thing right comic-con's like kind of
1:00:24the thing now right
1:00:25well except that South by Southwest at
1:00:29the core of South by Southwest when you
1:00:30get into the heart of that rat king in
1:00:33its rock-and-roll there's some band of
1:00:3524 year olds used to better that are
1:00:38dressed like the romantics and are
1:00:41trying to stand trying to sound like the
1:00:44strokes right if there's it's rock and
1:00:46roll and look at the at the heart of
1:00:49comic-con
1:00:51there is that same group of 24 year olds
1:00:53they also look like they're in the
1:00:55romantics but they are trying to look
1:00:58like a comic book about a rock and roll
1:01:00band that lives on a on a surfboard in
1:01:04outer space and they have a podcast and
1:01:08I cannot whatever that is whatever that
1:01:11leap is from you know like that at the
1:01:13core of South by Southwest there are
1:01:14people playing guitars and at the core
1:01:18of comic-con I feel like at least right
1:01:21now there are people pretending to play
1:01:23space guitars and i don't i don't know
1:01:26where the heart of comic-con is other
1:01:28than this room full of comic books the
1:01:31room and at comic-con where people are
1:01:33actually drawing things and making
1:01:34things I know it's there but i but I and
1:01:38I'm i don't i'm not in yet or I don't
1:01:42when I open the door and I see a room
1:01:43full of people all looking at their
1:01:44computers
1:01:45I don't perceive that as a room full of
1:01:47people who are making things right and
1:01:49it and in fact it it it probably is
1:01:52they're probably they're making
1:01:54webcomics that's the funny thing today
1:01:56is that I i really believe this is that
1:01:58there are very few people today let's
1:02:00look at this way I don't know how long
1:02:01things been around the 20 years ago
1:02:02something called comic-con if it existed
1:02:04would have been regarded as a fan event
1:02:06a place where you go because you're a
1:02:07fan of comics I bet now today I think
1:02:10for better for worse for reality
1:02:13pretty much everybody thinks of
1:02:14themselves as a term i love the content
1:02:17creator everybody thinks of themselves
1:02:18as somebody who makes stuff even making
1:02:20that is is your blog about blogs about
1:02:22comics
1:02:23yeah well but i have i have been
1:02:26invented this is going to blow your mind
1:02:27okay but i have recently become a
1:02:30friends with some people who are
1:02:33cosplayers and when I when I say friends
1:02:39is this through a mud or these people
1:02:41usually have met a user group and a mug
1:02:43like that there are people that I know
1:02:46that I that I initially probably met
1:02:48through the internet but now how have
1:02:50now that now I know them and their and
1:02:52when you ask them what they do with him
1:02:54they say cosplay that is what they do it
1:02:57is because my customers like a japanese
1:02:59girl version of LARPing alright larping
1:03:02and cosplay overlap
1:03:04yeah but I mean it's like 60 pound
1:03:05difference right well I think you can be
1:03:07a girl and larp this is this is a new
1:03:10thing I just discovered his girl are
1:03:11paying you could be a girl in life but
1:03:14but the idea that then that that making
1:03:17a costume and and going out in public in
1:03:20the costume and and being a part of
1:03:23these these gatherings and sort of
1:03:26showing off your creation is a form of
1:03:29its not just a form of creativity but
1:03:32yeah it's actually now a this is the
1:03:36thing that I either i'm still struggling
1:03:39to understand but it is a kind of AA
1:03:43being a rock star or it's a kind of it
1:03:48isn't just performance it isn't just
1:03:50that it's not just fanart like there are
1:03:53people who are really doing genuinely
1:03:54creative stuff like you know you can you
1:03:57can you write it's not it's not that
1:03:58you're dressed up like pokemon but you
1:04:01have taken you've taken elements from
1:04:03pokemon and you've taken elements from
1:04:05speed racer and elements from and you've
1:04:08made a new thing and it is a costume
1:04:12which you are inhabiting mhm and you are
1:04:15the costume kind of her a it'sit's all
1:04:18it's a brave new world for me I'm still
1:04:20trying to learn i'm still trying to
1:04:22learn the
1:04:23what it all means but i'm actually i'm
1:04:25having first-hand experience of it now
1:04:27rather than just not understanding it at
1:04:30a distance go in and dismissing it which
1:04:31would be coming for somebody like myself
1:04:33my age
1:04:34yeah I I'm realizing now that I cannot
1:04:36dismiss anything you gotta stop you
1:04:38gotta get old
1:04:39that's how you get counsel that is how
1:04:40you get old and a and what were such
1:04:43early days of the internet and in fact
1:04:45we're kind of the unlucky ones because
1:04:48we were there for to the 20 years of
1:04:52developing computers that now has become
1:04:55irrelevant right all those years that we
1:04:57spent or some of us spend sitting in
1:05:00front of apple to ease writing basic
1:05:04programs onto floppy disks unless you
1:05:07are unless you are working in a vintage
1:05:10computers museum room all that
1:05:14information is useless now it's all this
1:05:16it's all become a different thing and so
1:05:18the people that are people that where
1:05:21the Internet is going to go in 20 years
1:05:23I don't know and I can't afford I really
1:05:25can't afford to say and I mean I had had
1:05:28this experience just recently working
1:05:30with a with a company that I work
1:05:32closely with you sure did it where I had
1:05:35up you know i wish you could talk about
1:05:37the chief technology officer of this
1:05:40company
1:05:41tell me that he thought that Twitter was
1:05:43for douchebags and that he didn't
1:05:45understand why you know if that they had
1:05:48that the company had made a decision a
1:05:50long time ago that that they didn't want
1:05:55to send out too many newsletters right
1:05:57on twitter but he didn't tell you that
1:05:59you're like a form letter D we send it
1:06:01to me on it he sent it to me on an email
1:06:03in reply to an email that i had sent him
1:06:06Richie which he claimed had gotten lost
1:06:08in his in his trash folder or his spam
1:06:13folder for a week and I and I run back
1:06:15and I was like first of all you're the
1:06:16chief technology officer of this company
1:06:18that I work with and my emails are going
1:06:19into your spam folder maybe you need to
1:06:22revisit how tightly your spam folder is
1:06:25configured but second of all you decided
1:06:28a long time ago what your social media
1:06:30policy was like that doesn't make any
1:06:32sense because a long time ago there
1:06:34wasn't social media and now there
1:06:35is anyway I realize that I'm 43 years
1:06:38old and to be to have to to maintain the
1:06:42attitude that anything that i see in the
1:06:46world now is like oh that's like it's
1:06:48stupid when I when it's just a kid
1:06:50question or just a case of not
1:06:52understanding what it is i just can't
1:06:54afford to do it i have to have to go out
1:06:55there and touch every larper and say
1:06:58excuse me good sir excuse me kind nave
1:07:01would you explain it off
1:07:05explain to me bouse LARPing as I button
1:07:09what are you five buttons are out of
1:07:11period because I because that because
1:07:14who knows you're honestly who knows and
1:07:17particularly the way that the internet
1:07:18manifest itself in real life
1:07:20who knows I may be bronies are the
1:07:25future maybe it's okay I'll bite
1:07:28now what is a brownie what is a brownie
1:07:31was a brownie is a grown person a grown
1:07:36male who who watches the my little pony
1:07:40television on ironically and who then
1:07:46dresses themselves in my little pony
1:07:50type costumes and meets up with other
1:07:54grown adult men and the women who love
1:07:57them to celebrate the positivity of the
1:08:01message at the core of my law on
1:08:04ironically on as far as i can tell on
1:08:08ironically genuine celebration of the
1:08:11message of positivity at the heart of my
1:08:13little pony and they're called bronies
1:08:16and there's a there is a little bit of
1:08:20like a furry element is gas is a visit
1:08:23but it's not a lady horse thing is
1:08:24totally furry ish thing it's a sex with
1:08:27cartoon horse here pain but it's not all
1:08:30about sex with cartoon horse know its
1:08:32philosophical component yeah that which
1:08:35is my little ponies are I don't have
1:08:37never seen my little pony show
1:08:39yeah but my understanding is that the
1:08:41messages very positive very very about
1:08:44pony positive that the bits pony
1:08:46positive that if you are
1:08:48a pink stuffed pony debt that has the
1:08:53gift of life and you can fly and you
1:08:57have magic powers which take the form of
1:08:59stars the consent gold stars out into
1:09:02the sky
1:09:03um that that is better than living in
1:09:06the world as a human
1:09:07amen you know how i mean i would rather
1:09:10be there than here
1:09:12you cannot afford to look down your nose
1:09:13at that because you never know you never
1:09:16know you never attacked most bronies
1:09:17also look like Robert Smith circuit 1985
1:09:20it's just it's like thunder and groomed
1:09:24brownies
1:09:25okay well or or groomed like a lot of
1:09:28eyeliner tend to be a lot of clove
1:09:30cigarettes are making a comeback i smoke
1:09:31close the other day so anyway I don't
1:09:34know what the future will hold
1:09:35i can't i can't afford to sit here in my
1:09:37in my castle my lighthouse windmill that
1:09:41I have built here on this promontory the
1:09:44edge of the earth and and cast
1:09:46aspersions this is that this is really
1:09:48admirable John I think this is this is I
1:09:50I've arrived something similar and I
1:09:51just want to say I admire this this is
1:09:53this is this is very now how do you how
1:09:55do you keep in touch with with a brownie
1:09:57or a cosplayer you guys you guys have
1:09:59chat rooms or do you use facebook how to
1:10:02keep in touch
1:10:03do they have like a pony facebook funny
1:10:04blogs i think they do I think they do I
1:10:06i'm not a livejournal things John yeah I
1:10:09think you're on livejournal I'm not
1:10:11trying to keep in touch with bronies per
1:10:12se but I'm aware that they are there and
1:10:14i'm not opposed to them
1:10:16would you like to take this opportunity
1:10:16and this platform to reach out to the
1:10:18brownies and have them contact you if
1:10:20there are any brownies were listening to
1:10:21our podcast i would be surprised but if
1:10:23that twice
1:10:25I feel like most of the people who are
1:10:27listening to our podcast art are on the
1:10:29other side of the cynicism fence from
1:10:32the tall fence being able to listen to
1:10:35or watch brownie TV but I do i do like I
1:10:39this this this business of the google
1:10:42chat where 15 people all meet online and
1:10:46talk to each other and see their little
1:10:50faces that they're in the corner
1:10:52um that is a thing I'm seeing more and
1:10:54more people do that
1:10:57that again i feel like i don't
1:10:59understand that I don't understand the
1:11:00impulse to get in a computer room with
1:11:0420 people and talked for five hours but
1:11:07people are doing and again i cannot cast
1:11:11aspersions I have to just I think what i
1:11:14have to do is dip my toe in I have to go
1:11:16join someones chat you could just very
1:11:21gently dip one little hoof into that
1:11:23trough and see what it's like an end and
1:11:25check it out but I admire this might
1:11:27require this you can join it you could
1:11:28join a chat you ever join a challenge i
1:11:32have did its did desk its send you that
1:11:35invite for the thing that's exactly what
1:11:37I'm saying
1:11:38ok that's it that's a great example of a
1:11:40way to have been people have no idea
1:11:42we're talking about that there are ways
1:11:43do I don't have any desire personally
1:11:46when I look and I'm gonna mention what
1:11:48this is I don't want to i mean i don't
1:11:50want to give them any nature of the
1:11:52technology or what about I don't want to
1:11:54give them a free promotion unless
1:11:55they're going to sponsor our podcast for
1:11:57five thousand dollars a month no is the
1:11:59response from other podcasts they're
1:12:00into it you're you all the good things
1:12:03go to your other podcast I said no john
1:12:06chancellor was faster this one
1:12:08yeah you should we're gonna have a
1:12:09sponsor go back and say why don't you
1:12:11sponsor this good one
1:12:12did you look at it yet look at it sends
1:12:14me this thing and it says he's invited
1:12:16you to this club John fight club last
1:12:19board
1:12:21ok yes and so I click on the thing it
1:12:23has joined the board so i click on the
1:12:24thing and i go there and of course they
1:12:25want all my information i'm not going to
1:12:27give them to him so I I I got out of
1:12:29there but i'm wondering what's on the
1:12:31other side of this wall scott simpson
1:12:33and a bunch of people are talking about
1:12:34stuff before you blew it was going to be
1:12:37the three of us making fun of people
1:12:38comic-con
1:12:39yeah it's got Simpson literally oh why
1:12:42did i do why did I not blow I don't do
1:12:44that because you're afraid to take your
1:12:46fucking hook and put it in the trough
1:12:47because we got that personal information
1:12:50that you hold so dear to your promontory
1:12:51but I mean if I if I sign up for will
1:12:54have this thing glass boards now going
1:12:56to link to my facebook page and it's not
1:12:58getting to be clicking cows are you
1:13:01doing a facebook my god John I go there
1:13:03once a week
1:13:04high school friends are there we should
1:13:06talk about the myspace days remember the
1:13:07myspace days was helping you figure out
1:13:09how to monitor my had a automate accept
1:13:13people as friends remember that i don't
1:13:15have firefox script for that because
1:13:17when i first was on i do remember every
1:13:19morning every morning going to click
1:13:21click friendly friendly yes except
1:13:23except except and then all those people
1:13:25would write on my myspace a ok thanks
1:13:28for the anxiety ad thanks to the end
1:13:30thanks for the add yeah sure i want to
1:13:33dip into that well here's the thing that
1:13:34long ago I i have to really come around
1:13:38to this and and i'm going to be the old
1:13:40man here and make the obvious reference
1:13:41which is there were remember like when t
1:13:44remember and radio came out like when
1:13:45radio came out there's a there's I think
1:13:47it's a has an article or later you
1:13:49asking me if I remember what radio you
1:13:51know I withdrew that by making the funny
1:13:53old-timey radio voice when i use that
1:13:55you know I'm withdrawing when I use the
1:13:57funny all-time record right you're right
1:13:58you're right John Philip Sousa what was
1:14:00in a huff because he said I think I
1:14:03don't overstate this but you know he's a
1:14:04very dramatic man you wrote marches you
1:14:06did good marches some you know just much
1:14:09as a good for house invading Poland let
1:14:12me tell you usually have the kids that
1:14:15get a partner / right marches know is
1:14:20that a little majestic from march that's
1:14:22going to but can't Appa fly by blogger
1:14:26is good for strengthening partners an
1:14:28expression called a straight track
1:14:31marching music is a different thing you
1:14:34need to believe I'm talking about this
1:14:35John Philip Sousa if memory serves and
1:14:37i'll try to find this but he was in half
1:14:40because he said recording music is going
1:14:42to kill live music that once once people
1:14:45can go in that there will never be live
1:14:46music again I I'm exaggerating but this
1:14:48happens all the time just happened in
1:14:50the very very very very very famous suit
1:14:52where Walt Disney Corporation suit sony
1:14:54over the Betamax saying that nobody's
1:14:56ever eat your children will be deprived
1:14:58of winnie the pooh because they're never
1:14:59gonna go to a movie theater getting long
1:15:01story short i'm not saying that internet
1:15:03chatting is going to kill chatter no no
1:15:04because I'm saying this is this is my
1:15:06problem is that it's easy for me to look
1:15:08at something new and go that's
1:15:10unfamiliar right or that's silly in the
1:15:13same or that's dangerous in the same way
1:15:15that John Philip Sousa might have
1:15:17thought that
1:15:18radios or in that case I guess you know
1:15:20just recorded music for such a terrible
1:15:21thing for a long time they told they
1:15:23told women that they shouldn't ride on
1:15:24trains sure the first time that you saw
1:15:26a guy dressed as Bob's Big Boy except
1:15:29with an erection you're like I don't
1:15:31want this this is wrong then you later
1:15:38on you guys like the list of settlement
1:15:40behold your Civil War reenactors are
1:15:42they a subset of LARPing is and I was
1:15:44like being have to be like the indie
1:15:45don't even know what John forget it i
1:15:47gotta look all this up I'm gonna lie I
1:15:49kind of know every time I hear the term
1:15:52LARPing I just think John Hodgman for
1:15:54scien I see what John Hodgman does not
1:15:56laugh I swear to good times that it
1:15:58doesn't he i think he does
1:16:00ok but just as we are talking about it
1:16:02but LARPing it's always swords and
1:16:04sorcery as far as i can tell from the
1:16:06Civil War reenactors are absolutely
1:16:09LARPers but it's a little bit dnd meets
1:16:13Lord of the Rings kind of stuff
1:16:14Yeah right right everybody's everybody's
1:16:16drinking flagons of me need and they are
1:16:20they're actually having sword fights
1:16:22with each other in a in a public park
1:16:24yeah but look how would you be a cleric
1:16:25in that context and clerics are already
1:16:27pretty useless but if your clerical an
1:16:29illusionist our matches and I know these
1:16:30are terms of art copyright ESR which is
1:16:33rather business but but but like I could
1:16:36see being a paladin arranged you're a
1:16:37thief or I don't know this in terms mean
1:16:39but yeah I could see being one of those
1:16:40but like how would you be a cleric and
1:16:42allusions to a magic user without people
1:16:43just laughing at you
1:16:44is that part of the plays a part of the
1:16:46cause I think so you're talking about a
1:16:48group of people who are wearing chain
1:16:50mail in a in a lot of soccer field like
1:16:52not declare to wear chainmail nobody's
1:16:54gonna laugh at you if you suddenly like
1:16:56I cast a spell of unhappiness but it's
1:16:59kinda like asking the genie for three
1:17:01more wishes that you think in my
1:17:03experience speaking personally as a
1:17:05sorcerer
1:17:06mm well actually i think i think i would
1:17:09rather I think that's about you running
1:17:10around in the sewers forgot more of a
1:17:12wizard because your sorcerers butt like
1:17:17your planet x Merlin I think I'm a
1:17:19wizard a sort of like murder your
1:17:21namesake Merlin but that but you know
1:17:24being a wizard generally involves
1:17:26standing at one remove
1:17:28from the action and looking at everyone
1:17:31with a quizzical and knowing look right
1:17:34so you don't you're not actually in
1:17:37their casting spells
1:17:38you're just standing at one remove in a
1:17:40longer cloak and and going hm haha me
1:17:46just the why it's it's it's going to be
1:17:49the wise one you like the CEO of magic
1:17:51that's right you don't you don't have to
1:17:53be involved in every implementation
1:17:54decision you're hanging back and making
1:17:56sure that the boats moving in the right
1:17:57direction exactly and then you assume
1:17:59that at one point a combatant will come
1:18:00over and consult with you and then you
1:18:03can give them some you know you have a
1:18:04private and that instance it could be an
1:18:06illusionist to use them as a mentee
1:18:09other illusionist I better anyone anyone
1:18:12there who is a little is an illusionist
1:18:14i'm pretty sure that they're a juggler
1:18:16which is not the same thing
1:18:19it's not as agile but no it's not
1:18:21absolutely not as the same things dry
1:18:23below an illusionist that sounds like a
1:18:25selection community kind of thing i'm
1:18:27very interested in civil war reenactor
1:18:30minutes as a component of LARPing though
1:18:33I wonder you're not serious spp know how
1:18:35serious they are you aware of how
1:18:36serious they are i am but you know I
1:18:38live in the west so there is no there's
1:18:40very little we cannot reenact actual
1:18:43Civil War battles out here because not
1:18:45known occurs you're already hardcore
1:18:47what could be more hardcore than
1:18:48somebody who's honest about whether it
1:18:50was appropriate for them to reenact
1:18:51something
1:18:52oh my god you really are the CEO of
1:18:54magic I'm telling you what if you are a
1:18:56civil war reenactor in Washington State
1:18:58yeah you need to check yourself if you
1:19:00this is a thing you want to do you
1:19:02should go to Tennessee she could be a
1:19:03grand jury an actor or we're going to be
1:19:06a boeing reenactor we had we had did you
1:19:08ever hear about the pig war and the pig
1:19:12well yes please please think about the
1:19:13local person
1:19:14no no I would not want the ipad together
1:19:17guy we're going to be looking leg over
1:19:19whether the pig was local oh no the big
1:19:21war was a was an incident here between
1:19:25between the United States and and and
1:19:30the English who what later became the
1:19:33Canadians it was a right before the
1:19:36Civil War there was a there was a there
1:19:38was a battle on vancouver island between
1:19:42you know because they haven't decided
1:19:43where Oregon Territory left off and
1:19:45we're british columbia where they
1:19:46decided where the border was and that
1:19:49this was the slogan 5440 or fight
1:19:51Oh cash from this is this like we're out
1:19:54here nobody nobody nobody cares really
1:19:57what's going on in oregon territory
1:19:58because they're about to have a civil
1:20:00war back back back East but we're out
1:20:04here and the British are kind of
1:20:05encroaching and the British the British
1:20:07actually wanted the border of Canada to
1:20:09be the Columbia River out here which
1:20:12would have encompassed all of Washington
1:20:14State and so there were a few brave
1:20:16Americans keeping the British back and
1:20:22one of those Americans anyway so there
1:20:24was a pig
1:20:25there's apparently started with a pig it
1:20:28started with the pig and and there was a
1:20:29an American i think there was a pig and
1:20:32there's an American farmer and the pig
1:20:34was in his yard and then he killed the
1:20:38pig and minute the pig was owned by a
1:20:40British person and then it started a
1:20:44fight
1:20:45ok that's like there but their main
1:20:46their Lusitania there something like
1:20:48that they're France for knew it was
1:20:51their main remember the big over the pig
1:20:54but uh but very interestingly the
1:20:59commander of the American forces out
1:21:02here at that time was one Ulysses and
1:21:07screams turns our turns out
1:21:11Alyssa's except where he made it bones
1:21:14this is where he like got his initial
1:21:17bones and then he went back and and you
1:21:23know and made a name for himself as
1:21:24president of the united states anyway so
1:21:28up there in the north
1:21:30now we're talking about the Strait of
1:21:31Juan de Fuca the Orcas islands that rely
1:21:35up there by Bellingham
1:21:36[Music]
1:21:38all that area there's still a lot of
1:21:41hard feelings about that pig you know
1:21:44the British and the Americans there's a
1:21:45bunch of islands and the Americans on
1:21:46some of the islands of the British on
1:21:48other islands and it's not very clear
1:21:50they're like it's not a straight line
1:21:52it's kind of like just don't please
1:21:53don't bring up the pig you don't bring
1:21:55up the pig
1:21:56it's like guys like that to make a
1:21:57Republican Haiti you know like new
1:22:00zealand and australia is just something
1:22:01we don't talk about if you're talking if
1:22:03to someone from the Dominican Republic
1:22:04you don't mention he never mentioned
1:22:06haiti you're talking to somebody from
1:22:08Haiti you can talk about the Dominican
1:22:10Republic all day but it's not right
1:22:13yeah I don't look down pretty hard on
1:22:15Haiti I when I went to the Dominican
1:22:18Republic I was when I wanted to make a
1:22:19dramatic republic i was informed that
1:22:21you must not ever discuss haiti yeah
1:22:23well there's a shame because I had a lot
1:22:25of really good haiti material haiti
1:22:28material plays really strong everywhere
1:22:30except the Dominican Republic
1:22:32yeah yeah yeahs stand-up comics killed
1:22:35with that in a tease you got your
1:22:36initial bones some stand-up comedy is
1:22:39not funny i think we've determined
1:22:40here's the thing
1:22:41um yeah you know what's funny is like
1:22:43the problem is though I'm gonna shoot
1:22:45you know what kind of trace back in the
1:22:48stack a little bit yeah go back
1:22:50what what our comics do you like comic
1:22:53books
1:22:54yeah when you go when you're gonna go to
1:22:56the den of comic comics and you're going
1:22:58to get into the danger zone
1:22:59what we'd be looking for you mention
1:23:01nationally are you looking for any any
1:23:02funny books where they're up most of the
1:23:05comics that I like our I don't even know
1:23:08if this is still the term of art but
1:23:09that they are there alternative comics
1:23:12and and I say alternative comics all the
1:23:16way back to our chrome and ok raw
1:23:20magazine
1:23:21here's my review how little I know about
1:23:22this would like Chris where be one of
1:23:24those kinds of things
1:23:24absolutely a more modern one ok but you
1:23:27know like I'm familiar with his work
1:23:29he's her you know it's not one of the
1:23:33classic of the first generation he's a
1:23:35classic of the third-generation it's
1:23:37pronounced Richard rich although Richie
1:23:41Rich yeah I have to say I have a very
1:23:44soft spot for rich common better be soft
1:23:46not so much that i would go by vintage
1:23:49Richie Rich comics
1:23:51but I think if I went to comic-con and i
1:23:52found that there was actually an
1:23:54underground like Richie Rich comic book
1:23:57collector market where people were
1:23:59talking about rich comics as serious
1:24:02collectors items whether it's like this
1:24:04what you do there is and it's worth
1:24:05fifteen dollars if I if I discover that
1:24:08if i go find that I might be susceptible
1:24:11to getting sucked into them can make a
1:24:13suggestion you mentioned the big boy
1:24:14with direction i don't know i know
1:24:16you're you're very careful sartorial man
1:24:18but I'm just saying it it would not be
1:24:22that hard for you to dress up like
1:24:23Richie Rich like a big really big Richie
1:24:25Rich I'm just saying I mean I'm ready
1:24:28have I'm not gonna google this but I
1:24:30think has sure to get a fancy outfit
1:24:32blonde here you had shorts with
1:24:34suspenders I think you would look great
1:24:36in that and you already got that blonde
1:24:38peroxide hair you look great and your
1:24:40ranch
1:24:40everyone groaning I am rich you got a
1:24:43whole extra house just for your money i
1:24:45have a butler in bascom you can build
1:24:48robots whenever the fucking seats you
1:24:50mm I'm i said it's hardly ever around
1:24:52except what he is he's just there to
1:24:54throw money at me
1:24:55here's my concern with the Civil War the
1:24:57civil war thing has been the reenactment
1:24:59and civil war buffness has has been
1:25:02overdone for like a generation
1:25:05I don't think it's don't know well no
1:25:09but I mean the whole like island that
1:25:10mean to the Civil War you know like
1:25:12thing I think I think that tipped with
1:25:14that PBS program right it turns out
1:25:16alright and here's the thing i think you
1:25:19know what I don't want to google this
1:25:20for any variety of reasons but I'm just
1:25:22suggesting it would not take that much
1:25:24preparation you already have a lot of
1:25:25clothes i bet you with with your with
1:25:28your new skills i bet you could cobble
1:25:29together a pretty good rich outfit that
1:25:33put you deep in the Harvey comic space
1:25:35you could become if you ever decided to
1:25:36move vertically from being a CEO of
1:25:38magic you could be the CEO of rich your
1:25:39thoughts
1:25:40mm I'm saying there's not going to be
1:25:42sure this can be slightly as I hoped I
1:25:44you know I'm a mutual mutual friend i
1:25:46said to him if you see any good back
1:25:47girls are you see any good dark phoenix
1:25:49please snap some photos for me
1:25:51sure I don't be creepy but in your case
1:25:53I wonder how many riches are there
1:25:55doubtful of their many riches although i
1:25:57was thinking about going as Dennis I
1:25:59corn which I sure there will not be any
1:26:02dentists di corn
1:26:04go ahead another hit the keyboard for
1:26:06that one is that I k bi ch ch Chris
1:26:14tjaden a homicide corn Dennis TI corn if
1:26:20I cause that is that is the silliest
1:26:22name I've ever heard in my life
1:26:23Tennessee Eichorn up i don't think
1:26:26anybody else there will be done spi corn
1:26:28and I won't have to work very hard
1:26:29because he basically looks like me and I
1:26:32just go wearing my own clothes from
1:26:35Montana reason he he made his bones in
1:26:38idaho his bones
1:26:40yeah i'm just saying like the thing is
1:26:42you know you mentioned earlier with
1:26:43these cosplay people that they're
1:26:47bringing together different things like
1:26:48maybe you're going to bring together you
1:26:49know I mean your journal shop cultural
1:26:52mashup about Richie Rich with a boner
1:26:57suddenly for reasons I can't explain I
1:27:01can't imagine him not having a bone haha