Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hi John has gone [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► hi Merlin oh god this is a labor of love [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► that you're even here that's gonna be [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► one of many coughs I think we should [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► stop right there that's so just that's [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► the whole show play pong [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► yeah now you're ill yeah I meal but that [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► is not an uncommon thing for me [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► in fact lately I've been better than [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► I've ever been in my life how circle [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► sick wise not mental health wise but I [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► used to get sick all the time he gets [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► the card i do i get really sick I get [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► super sick [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► yeah you're on you're almost [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► preternatural so we're pretty naturally [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► you're unbelievably strong is it that [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► doesn't actually is a word you [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► yeah i think im using it wrong you may [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► be using it wrong but it is a word [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► ok point taken you are you're so [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► supernaturally strong in so many ways [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► disturbingly strong really uh [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► irresponsibly strong in so many ways but [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► when it comes to getting sick you're a [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► total pussy [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► yeah i have several Achilles heels [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► because im hit im gonna let another [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► collection started because because I'm [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► six-legged have five Achilles heels and [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► one heel that works [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► yeah and-and-and a a bad immune system [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► is one of them I've always been [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► I've always been quick to catch the bug [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► me to on the same way I get cold sores I [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► get psoriasis and I got it all I should [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► be dead by now you know we you know it [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► up here in the northwest we call cold [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► sores stress bumps that is really it's a [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► bellingham thing because nobody wants to [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► admit that they have herpes so they have [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► a stress bump and telling him the column [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► agreement Alex [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► I'm not make you laugh right here [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► shooting no no it's fine [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► ah yeah as then I have you know i think [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► my lungs are my i am that's the part [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► that there Kelly lungs that's right [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► there my achilles lungs if you read The [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► Iliad there's a scene where Achilles is [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► leaping over the wall and any gets a [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► wheeze and he had he wheezes and that's [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► how they know where he is and then and [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► then shoot him in the heel [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► hey I wasn't that instead of classics [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► and memory serves me the reason for his [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► weakness is that when Moses mother kept [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► him into the my desk and she held him by [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► his long rights well see you've read the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► book I remind you but you've seen the [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► movie at least yeah i saw Exodus we have [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► one Moses puts Achilles in the mudbath [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► she holds him by his long and that's why [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► is he'll never grew and then the other [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► place my things and some cucumber water [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► and a lucky magazine who sit on the [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► biosolids yeah yeah how much the Bible [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► of you reading the Bible yeah i read a [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► lot of it you know I because i went to [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► judgment school right and I showed up [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► there with a real chip on my shoulder [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► and I took an old testament class by [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► first quarter i'm sitting in the class [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► in the and the professor comes in and [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► he's a he's a he's a priest and he's an [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► overweight man and he's wearing he's [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► wearing his priestly garb but you can [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► tell from the it so it's all black it's [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► black clothes right but you can tell [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► from the accumulated dander on the shirt [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► its it's like he comes in and somebody [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► has been it like he had just left a [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► wedding where they didn't have rice to [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► throw they just had salt so he's he's [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► just he's covered in dander and I [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► realized over the course of the of the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► quarter that he never changed his [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► clothes but he was it but he was a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► brilliant guy any he came in and and he [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► said to the class you know his first [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► thing out of his mouth he said [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► how much of the Bible should we take as [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► as truth as best fact any on the room is [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► quiet and nobody knows what to do and [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► I'm sitting there with my already with [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► my feet up on the desk you know smug and [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► Brent presumptuous and just I was just [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► such a turd and I raised my hand and all [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► sardonically I'm like em I don't know [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► all of it even [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► mhm and he goes no in fact and proceeds [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► to make me feel like it like the tool [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► that I was says no in fact the Bible is [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► a collection of stories told by you know [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► told over generations [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► bye-bye people wandering the desert and [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► here's here's how we're going to take [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► this class and he starts to talk and i [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► SAT up in my chair and lean forward it [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► was like oh my goodness this this seems [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► really smart and I don't fit into that [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► class I was so I'm so thrilled to read [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► the Old Testament with with a priest who [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► was gonna walk me through it like it was [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► I like a history lesson [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► oh I still I I should go back there and [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► find that priest and and give him a dead [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► dandruff brush as a gift like an [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► embossed he's gotta be still alive he [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► was a pretty young guy that they live [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► pretty long this guy's they do because [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► they you know they had free food health [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► care free hand jobs [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► mhm subsidized anyway you know they all [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► live together there in the priests house [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► ooh so they don't need money there that [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that's in Ruth's they talk about that [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► you know the thing is old testament it's [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► a six bit of a slog there's a lot of [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► repetition it could really it could have [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► really stood a second read through [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► before i went to press there's a lot lot [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► of extraneous stuff that was great about [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► this class because I you know as you [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► walk through life right you meet people [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► all the time they're like well I've read [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► the Quran and let me tell you this about [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that when every one of those people that [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► says that is is a lying sack of shit no [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► one has read the quran because it's like [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► the old testament it's so boring if you [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► start at the front you start reading the [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► first page you just like Oh by four [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► pages in you [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► it took me [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► year 24 pages of the Koran but when you [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► when somebody's walking you through it [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► who knows all the good parts like you [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► know someone who is it who has studied [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► enough priestly stuff to be a judgment [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► this guy knew where all the good stuff [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► was here where all the sex was he knew [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► where all the turning points were and he [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► skipped he skipped by the genealogies [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► and all that stuff and just got like to [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► the heart of the manor [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► I wish I knew I wish I knew it well [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► enough to do that for someone else you [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► know to like give somebody a syllabus [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► about the whole Testament commentaries [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► that you do that in different walks of [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► life [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► I mean I think you give take people to [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► the interesting part sometimes i try i [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► had I take people to the interesting [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► parts of the of the Seattle um you know [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► where this where the sewers connect to [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► the power stations that analogy [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► something to take people down there [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► that's what I like to take people and [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► kill them and take them into the sewers [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► meet the power stations and was funny I [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► mean like if you're a student of [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► literature which you have a man but [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► literary art or literature that's what i [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► call in Florida better area Turcotte [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► literature [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► did you know you would never think like [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► oh I you know I read through i read this [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► short story i read where I'm calling [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► from once and now i'm a learned man but [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► you have to read a lot more than that [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► and you probably have to read that [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► several times if you're gonna consider [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► you somebody said so yourself someone [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► who really knows a lot about something [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► or consider yourself [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► let's say for the sake of argument you [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► know enough about something to judge [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► someone's life and afterlife me it would [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► behoove you and I'm not gonna talk about [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► religion but it would behoove you like [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► if you're any student you would want to [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► like you know learn your times tables [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► until you know it really well but it's [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► just funny [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► you can drop a reference to something [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► like the Old Testament or the new [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► testament or for that matter [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► Shakespeare the Constitution and just [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► because you've heard that thing he [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► suddenly sound like a learned person and [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► that's not even the beginning of the [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► learning apartment but all those things [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► that you mentioned Shakespeare's [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► Constitution and the Bible there are so [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► many references to them throughout all [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► other literature that you if you if you [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► get a just a just a girl [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► gasps of what the original text says [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► then you start to pick it out [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► you see it all the time it occurs [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► everywhere else right so you actually [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► can get a pretty good grip on the iliad [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► and the Old Testament by just by kind of [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► doing a cliff snows CliffsNotes reading [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► of it and then being aware when you see [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► it appear in other books you know [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► because people were people do refer to [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► it like for instance reading where I'm [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► calling from although it is a great work [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► you won't see it you won't see allusions [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► to it in all the other books you read [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► but you're going to see The Iliad come [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► up over and over you could you could [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► hear the phrase Achilles heel your whole [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► life and not realize it's from The Iliad [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► yeah we're here like why like pound of [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► flesh or blood on my hands all are you [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► know that the innumerable basically I [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► mean like if you ever read Hamlet all [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► the way through I've never read the [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► whole handling the whole Hamlet is [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► really really almost every Hamlet that [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► we read is a lot a lot short-short [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► Hamlet right well I can I did that that [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► version in the nineties or whatever that [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► was good because it was beautiful but it [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► was like his long yea yea and that's [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► that was even a little bit abridged but [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Shakespeare's the same way you if it's [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► in everything and i find that that's [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► true [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► the first time I went to Hollywood right [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► you go to Hollywood and you're driving [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► around and you realize that I mean I had [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► never been to Southern California but I [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► knew it [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► every street sign every street corner [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► I know you know you get to Hollywood and [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► Vine you're like Hollywood and Vine I've [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► heard about this my whole life [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► first time you go to New York City I [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► read every street corner you stand on [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► you realize you've seen it in a movie [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► you've read about it in a book and so [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► that that familiarity with the would not [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► just the place names but like I know [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► what happened here this is the place [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► where the thing happened right right um [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► it makes New York and LA and Paris this [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► makes these places seem well like we all [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► own a little bit of them [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► there's a photograph this photograph of [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► me that is really really blurry for [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► reasons that will become a parent you [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► have a moment in a mustache you wearing [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► an army jacket i am yeah and you're [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► absolutely right you know you know the [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► era and he's not gone deep that the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► antics of this is because of the great [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► era of merlin mann the moment the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► mustache on the army jacket you seem to [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► traverse the world now yet again that [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► the mullet the mustache in the Army [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► check it again esop lot of people don't [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► know where that comes from [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► slow and steady slow and steady wins the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► kebab I in our limited number of days [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that we had in Manhattan this is how you [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► knew i shouldn'ta lost this one I said [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► my girlfriend we're going to go to this [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► place you're gonna take my picture and [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► so we got on the subway anyway it went [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► north north north north north and we got [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► scared and sort of electrical and 1250 [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► secondary more dead than alive had to [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► take my picture at Lexington 225th you [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► get off haha but I'm literally in motion [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► i stopped long enough to go there and [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► take the picture and then I started [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► running back into the subway [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► yeah this was what year that an STD I [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► got the photo somewhere in 1988 that [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► wasn't a good time to just like two [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► different like like you know like a [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► professionally made sign like for a [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► restaurant or store with misspellings on [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► it there's like this is you know this is [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► New York in the eighties this is not [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► this is pretty Giuliani you know being [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► outgoing thank you [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► there's giant pieces like the street you [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► like when they're like repairing the [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► street then I got fuck it and they bring [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► like a 44 inch piece feet thick piece of [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► steel sheet of Steel just like fucking [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► cover the street we're leaving its it [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► looks like Lebanon haha so I can't leave [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you guessing that you haven't told you [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► that story before [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► that's amazing you would guess that so [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► fast whether you're talking about like [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► I'm going up i'm going up i'm going up [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► and I'm like well what's up there the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► merlons not going to the Apollo probably [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► to stand out front said stand out front [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► with your tap shoes and be like I'm [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► ready for my audition like the violent [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► offense now been out there and ya go [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► together at the Cotton Club well so many [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► years later I lived there a hundred [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► eighteen Lexington yes this is before is [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► like around the time you're about to [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► start writing your first record right [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► yeah well the first record was daughter [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► was doing 2001 summer 2001 [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► and I went up there and and lived in [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► Spanish Harlem what they called the bar [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► el barrio and it was the one time in my [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► life where I'm where I actually had a [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► gun pointed at me where it wasn't just [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► some Alaskan guy pointing a gun at you [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► my captain's something he could settle [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► it once it goes like I alright you got a [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► gun i got again right it was that it was [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► an armed robbery and I was with two [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► other people and we're walking [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► obviously we were we were stupid we were [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► walking along the east river at ten [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► o'clock at night in Spanish Harlem and [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► it you know we've been walking up the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► East River so there's a certain point [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► there's not like gunplay primetime yeah [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► it's sort of like well it'sit's at 98 [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► you're still on the Upper East Side kind [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► of you know and we're just walking and [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► talking and chatting and and we don't [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► realize that we walked into Academy a [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► shooting gallery area where everyone is [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► that they're all these junkies are lying [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► sort of all since stacked like cordwood [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► all around and that we walk over this [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► bridge and this guy in a hooded [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► sweatshirt is standing there and and [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► he's real casual you know he's kind of [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► he's leaning up against the pole and [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► he's got he's got his pistol out and I'm [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► kind of in the lead of the three of us [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► and I walked past him he says something [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► to me i don't see the gun and I go oh [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► hey what's up and I I walked past him [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► I'm 10 feet past him before the girl [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► screams there's three of us to me of guy [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► and his girlfriend and she sees the gun [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► and she stops dead in her tracks and [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► screams and I turn around and I see that [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► he's got the guard on the girl and and I [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► I i have the I'm so indignant and I have [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► to walk back to get in front of this [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► guy's gun you know what I mean like GT [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► that well I was already passed in my you [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► she if she had kept walking if the other [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► guy w he wouldn't you know he's just [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► sitting there is like the ones you're [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► talking about being a human shield [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► you're saying go back and finish that [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► the robber transaction know that's what [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► I had to do I was like oh my god why [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► didn't you just keep walking [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► so I turn around I walked back and this [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► guy never says a word I mean he said [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► something to me like mermaids stick it [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► up stick them up or whatever I didn't [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► hear him because when you're walking in [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► the dark in Spanish Harlem even if [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► you're even if you are oblivious [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► I mean being oblivious is your greatest [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► strength right i mean some guys down [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► there with the gun goes and then stick [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► them up and you just go [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► yeah great nice to see you and keep [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► walking he's not going to shoot you [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► he's going to understand that it's a [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► misunderstanding [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► he's gonna get hold up the next person [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► or he's gonna run around in front of you [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► and like four see if that looks that [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► looks sort of stupid if he does that [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► yeah right he's not gonna eat he has his [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► own dignity i can write in retrospect he [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► didn't fire a warning shot and say no [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► turn around [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► yeah and he's not the thing is he's not [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► a guy who's like jumping in front of you [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► with his feet spread em is when the [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► gunfire i'm going to freeze you know [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► he's like this guy's keys cool batteries [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► like hey man you know he's like that [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► he's like that the troll under the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► bridge right he's like let me hold your [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► wallet so i have to have to drag my ass [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► back there I'm all indignant about it [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► and he's like you know throw three [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► wallets on the ground or whatever says [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► to the girl and I pulled my wallet out [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and I had you know I had stuff in the [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► wallet i wanted to keep and so I you [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► know I take whatever $21 i had and they [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► threw it on the ground piece he wants [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► the wallet and I'm like no don't need [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the wallet and again I kinda had to grab [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► her by the arm and pull er down the road [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► like she was like a deer in the [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► headlights and my god just keep moving [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► and get out of the way you know what I [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► mean like keep moving [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► don't stand there so yeah we had had to [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► pull these two along and you know all [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► this guy wanted was that if i had 11 [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► sense he would do for it [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► so anyway we get our past and then we [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► had the great adventure of going to the [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► El Barrio police station and trying to [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► pick this hooded this masked gunmen out [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► of a lot of book of mug shots which was [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► it was the ultimate the ultimate example [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► of like mugshots are useless eyewitness [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► accounts are useless we all three of us [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► picked a different person out of the mug [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► book the guy that I picked out the the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► cop turned the book writer was like well [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► that's interesting i don't think it was [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► him because he's been in jail for the [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► last three years but uh but nice try I [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► was like ah God could have sworn it was [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► him and then then they put me in a cop [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► car and we drove around all the dark [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► spots of the of the barrio looking you [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► know with our spotlight looking for the [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► guy who the guy had written a white swan [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► that's a pretty high level of service [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► very al barrio police department i'm [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► guessing you know they were they were [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► they were great the tops were great i [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► have always felt the new york city [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► police are some of the best in the world [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► having been accosted by many police in [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► many cities New York Police are they're [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► just regular Joe's you know who the LA [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► cops San Francisco cop Seattle cops they [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► all act like they're real special people [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► who are charged with a special mission [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► to keep the peace and there it you know [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► they are working on behalf of the mayor [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► and the governor and they really fit a [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► relief really carry themselves with a [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► lot of you know with the attitude that [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► every single person on the street is a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► perpetrator and in New York City there [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► like a smoke a bowl and more likes it [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► like a filling a legitimate civil [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► servant [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► yeah they're guys that are you know [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► they're here they're there to keep like [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► they're there to keep bears from running [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► down the middle of the street but beyond [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► that you know let people do with what [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► people do what they're going to do you [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► know if you're gonna you're gonna stop [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► and and and and bust every infraction in [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► new york city that nothing could get [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► done [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► well is that school I went to was really [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► small in there were there you know [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► rotating but like you know for full-time [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► like campus cops called right the campus [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► police there's only four of its all we [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► needed for this campus we talk about the [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► university of south florida [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► well yes and it's smaller is it smaller [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► developmentally disabled daughter new [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► college and but yeah the campus was [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► small and was it might have been more [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► than that but the the four main cops [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► that were around [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► first of all you know they were by and [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► large like you say they were there to [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► keep bears away but at least three of [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► the cops that were retired from being [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► actual cops say I'm pretty sure two of [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► the cops were former new york city cops [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► and one in particular who is the [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► friendliest tub easiest like funniest [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► nicest guy there who could beat your [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► head and if you had to used to work on [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► one of those boats to would drag the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► river for bodies [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► oh I mean this is a guy who liked dealt [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► with you know dead bleached-out bodies [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► who he saw a lot of shit [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► this guy had been in the shit he's been [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► in the shit yeah exactly the [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► thousand-yard stare and was funny was I [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► mean that sounds that sounds like a [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► cliche but you know he was really nice [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► he he had a very get the correct trigger [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► for when to go ape shit about stuff and [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► when not room and there's one guy [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► becomes shorty was the one guy who seem [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► to be like professional security guard [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► had gotten like come to the big game and [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► he was he was the Barney Fife guy he was [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► like always waiting to pull the bullet [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► out of the public eye kind of guy but I [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► was that was so interesting that [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► somebody would actually had that kind of [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► exposure to people kinda like you right [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► i mean that case i would have been this [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► that screaming lady just for what it's [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► worth because I'm not used to dealing [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► with situations like that treat for you [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► that's something where you just keep [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► your head about you that cop was and he [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► was he was more effective [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► well that's why I always imagined that [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► in life what would what would end up [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► happening to me is that I would end up [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► being the sheriff of a small town in [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► northern washington like twist [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► Washington or something I would end up [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► there retired this year of twists and [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► I'd end up being the sheriff of twists [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► and then if some kind of bad shit [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► happened in twist there was a there is a [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► multiple killing or maybe a drug deal [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► gone bad where [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► bunch of people shot each other and then [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► a local hunter found a bag of money and [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► went on and I would be like the kind of [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► hard-bitten sheriff that was like man [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► what's gone wrong with the world today [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► I've seen a lot of been in the shit I've [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► seen it all [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► uh-huh but if this AMS it'll do till one [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► gets here [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► well like a lot of like a lot of those [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► kinds of sheriffs it seems to me you're [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► somebody who's seen stuff you don't want [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► to see maybe you're back from the Civil [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► War maybe your back from Vietnam your [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► back from somewhere where a lot of you [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► know there were a lot of body parts [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► right B&B rock trenches [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► oh gosh it was amazing what a man like [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► you can see the steely eyes on boys [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah so you went there looking for [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► maybe not a simpler life but sure you [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► want to help people but you're also you [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► may be had with the body parts but now [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► you your imperturbable and and the town [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► of twists us with andy griffith can rest [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► easy knowing knowing that you're there [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► and you're mostly talking people out of [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► things now do you carry a gun in Twisp [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► you got all you don't need a gun I mean [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► you have one in the truck but the thing [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► is I didn't move to twist to be the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► sheriff I moved up there to get away and [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► then I realized you know the the people [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► of Twisp kind of called on me [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► you said you or maybe not precisely a [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► psychotic loner but you were definitely [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► like in your own cabin maybe working on [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► your latest book and then something [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► happened something happened to the old [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► sheriff but they needed you [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► i'm guessing yeah exactly what you're [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► called upon something happened to the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► old sheriff and there wasn't anybody to [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► fill these shoes who and I was called [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► upon to be the to be the sheriff and it [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► was it you know I was it was it was a [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► service i was providing my townspeople [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► to resist a little bit first [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► sure yeah I'm not the guy you don't want [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► me that you know I've been in the shit I [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► just came out here to that I just came [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► out here to get to listen to the wind [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► whistled through the pines and then [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► they're like but but sheriff they start [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► calling me sheriff and that's what if [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► thats that's where it starts you know [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► that ok [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► they think they were calling me Sheriff [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► even before it was like just going to [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► walk around carry yourself like a [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► sheriff what kind of crime you get in [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► twist you think you mean you're saying [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► is it mostly is it drug crimes like [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► people growing weed somebody hit [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► somebody with a belt running off the [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► chicken like what kind of shit goes down [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► and twist people you know that so it's [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► real close to the Canadian border and so [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► there's those uh those Hells Angels [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► motorcycle gangs [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► bringing the all motorcycle key but John [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► that is exactly the kind of thing that [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► would have twist calling upon you [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► yeah that's like seven samurai below [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► which is one John yeah here comes the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► motorcycle game terrorizing the town [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► twisp check the problem with chuck chuck [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► norris of course is the truck doors in [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► that same situation is going to karate [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► chop all those guys huh [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► I come from a different school I'm not [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► gonna be karate-chopping anybody but I [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► am gonna going to be freezing guys in [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► there in their shoes with my steely gaze [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► and mind your own and mind bullets too [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► I've got you I've got mine both become [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► mindful it's all the time yeah i can use [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► my bullets [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► you can also take it down to where the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► sewers meet the power plant but that was [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► determined holds the terminology that's [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► a long drive from from twist [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► they probably have something like that [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► but the guy they got a ravine or a [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► galley or a creek they have a crack baby [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► definitely have a correct there I think [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► they probably I think it's probably [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► found something in the correct this [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► isn't okay okanagan County Okanogan [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► County that's right population 938 my [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► sorry let me take that back strike that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► nine thirty thousand two thousand oh my [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► god John John in two thousand the [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► population was 19 when you're feeling [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► better you need to get the fuck up to [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► twist what's happening what's going on [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► well I don't graphic change on the only [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► in the first paragraph but an 938 in the [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► year 2000 is already down to 9 19 and I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► don't they're losing jobs for people [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► falling in the creek but then I think [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► they might need Sheriff John the fingers [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► the young people in twist they don't [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► they don't see the opportunity of their [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► their their their fathers and grand [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► Pappy's is the is defined so they're [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► moving their problem in the big say [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► they're moving to Seattle and they're [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► joining some kind of River group Cooper [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► rivers they couldn't find jobs maybe [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► that's the twist is located on the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► methow river and its confluence with the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► twist prefer the titular twist river [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► mhm the whole town it's 1.2 square miles [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► behind [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► I don't know man I either you there's [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► nothing is long as you get like [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► satellite service or something there's [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► almost nothing you can take bath there I [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► know you love your home I know you love [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► your family i'm just saying there's a [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► lot of things you can do in twist i saw [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► this in a dream you know the twist is a [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► beautiful beautiful little town of its [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► kind of like an Old West town if you if [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► you drive through it's got little [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► clapboard houses and it was a the mining [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► town back in the turn-of-the-century [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► minutes that's exactly the place that I [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► would end up being the sheriff if I was [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► gonna do that but uh but i still haven't [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► decided which you know there are a few [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► different turns my life could take I [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► could also be a tweety professor sitting [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► in his cramped office doing can be [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► honest that's a lot of fucking meetings [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► yeah but I don't teachers have to go to [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► a lot of meetings they do they have to [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► deal with that University hierarchy [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► which I've never it's just the same as [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► getting a job at IBM [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► it's just like working it's worse i mean [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► i began go outside you get outside and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► do a math problem in settlement men but [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► a place like that you see at undermine [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► them for five years we've got tenure [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► like fucking furniture i think every [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► person at a university is like an HR [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► person at a company like every person [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you're dealing with including the other [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► professors are talking to you like an HR [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► person yet conservative nervous and [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► easily replaced yeah and and also really [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► concerned about what you're you know [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► really concerned about you and what's [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► going on in your mind and whether or not [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you did your TPS reports or whatever [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► it's just that sounds like a horrible [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► environment for John you know I had a [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► mentor at the University of Washington [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► who wanted to hear what i say i mentor I [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► mean the mentor of the one mentor of my [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► life perfect this professor named Jim [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► Klaus and he had this vision but he and [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► a few of the other like teachers and [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► students from the comparative history of [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► ideas program we're going to start a new [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► university called the University of the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► Cascades we were going to go find out we [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► can find a large like an old boy scout [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► camp somewhere up in the mountains and [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► we're going to start a new university [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► there and we would talk about this [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► university over and over and it was it [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► was really a beacon in there are just a [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► small group of us but it was a speaking [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► in our future like and then we will [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► start the University of the Cascades and [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► many they changed it to the University [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► of the Olympics because he liked those [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► mountains [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► Seattle is situated between the olympic [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► mountains in the Cascade Mountains we [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► figured there were more boy scout camps [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► out in the Olympics and so he switched [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► his focus to those mountains and that [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► seemed even better harder to get to the [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► Olympics then the University of the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► olympics was like this idea that and [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► then them and then he got the cancer [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► oh god that's no good no it was terrible [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► and we got the candy got the cancer [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► really fast it was like one [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► what we hear is to meet weekly and go to [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► this pop dog place called shultzy's on [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► university avenue and we were supposed [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► to meet at shultzy's on Tuesday and he [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► called me and he was like oh I can't eat [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► your cheese this week I was like oh why [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► not he said because i have pancreatic [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► cancer [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► oh my god John that's awful yeah and he [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► died within a couple of months it was it [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► was it was a terrible thing for me he [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► was the one guy in my whole life that [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► ever like whatever kind of showed me the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► way you know he was a real he was a a [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► pedagogue in the in every sense of the [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► word and miserable that we don't get [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► that opportunity to realize that and [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► then do something nice to thank them [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► until it's way too late [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► yeah yeah although i mean i-i i feel i [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► feel like i had i had a jet the you know [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► I had a chance to tell him what he meant [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► to me and I remember I went to his [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► bedside you know when he's like a little [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► final days and i started i started [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► saying you know he said he said you need [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► to just graduate from college [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► don't worry about all these fantasies [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► that you have about how you're going to [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► graduate from college with the where [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► someone's going to put a Laurel [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► crown on your head and they're gonna [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► they're gonna pronounce you the kball [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► colleges just graduated from college [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► like a normal person I was like but but [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► but I have to do this that and the other [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► and he was like just do this one thing [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► just graduated from college in the [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► simplest possible way and I realized [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► that even there as he lay dying he was [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► trying to help me and I was stuck with [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► being a pain in his as like no no here's [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► how I'm gonna do it I'm gonna graduate [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► from college but when i do they're going [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► to realize that that from that day forth [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► all colleges is meaningless and that [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► people just need to listen to me from [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► here on out he was like listen with my [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► with my some of my last breath i'm going [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► to tell you just don't do that just just [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► be a normal person and graduate from [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► college just do this one simple thing I [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► still haven't done that but I'm yeah but [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► you but but but you moved on from [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► thinking I assume that you're going to [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► change the the way we think about [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► colleges has emerged that so you moved [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► on in your way a little bit little bit [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► yeah it was very sad because with him [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► but he was the motivating factor of this [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► this call this university we were going [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► to start out in the trees and without [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► him in a no one else had the no one else [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► had the complete vision you know he was [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► the one that was a that he was actually [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► a PhD you know the rest of us were just [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► right just satellites or whatever I mean [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► not that's not to say there were a bunch [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► of phd's around him but he was the one [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► that had the he burned like a hot Sun [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► this guy you could you tell I was wrong [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► to be on the team for freer school [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► program for a variety of reasons because [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► i was I i SAT erect in my chair [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► throughout every part of that I was like [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► yes yes and this will be out with the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► camps and the lodge in the wood and I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► was yes yes and then you told me you [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► thought about calling university [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► olympics and completely lost interesting [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► haha that's why Pentagon i am it's like [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► and I realized I mean I just thought [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► that with the collar University of the [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► Cascades is the one of the coolest names [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► I've ever heard em but as soon as it was [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► university Olympics you're like I can't [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► but I don't want to wear that sweatshirt [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► will do that did that [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► see this is you probably won't like this [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► did that ever factor into your thinking [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► because Gonzaga is a pretty freaky name [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► for a school especially since a lot of [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► people mistakenly call it Gonzaga i [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► called it Gonzaga until I heard your dad [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► pronounced in front of me wants and [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► until then I thought it was gone saga [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► yeah i think a lot of people do yeah i [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► mean it really that Gonzaga it's named [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► Jack it's alright that was pretty good [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► pretty klutz you know Gonzaga is named [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► after a guy a lot of people are named [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► not a lot of universities are named [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► after some old guy some dead guys my [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► sister would say some dead rich guy from [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► the past why do I want to go to these [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► castles and museums it's just a bunch of [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► dead rich people that season that's my [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► sister and that's my sister walking [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► through Rome let's go in here why don't [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► want to go in there it's a bunch of [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► stuff from dead rich people [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► Susan it's the word Rome go on you and [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► your sister traveling you to traveling [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► together sounds like a NBC sitcom they [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► would not be picked up for a second [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► she's like yeah we're in Rome where [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► their discotheques everywhere [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► why do we want to go to these old places [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► for Musti dirt like what are you talking [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► about discotheques [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► Oh traveling with her was like travel [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► with a traveling with an untamed [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► she-wolf under wanna look like held back [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► with a piece of dental floss come [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► holding onto this mint-flavored floss [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and she's just like disco are there are [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► I'm like disco not gonna go to at Roman [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► disco but you don't know how to live we [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► were everybody's a dumb shit that's the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► problem and I and the problem is it's [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► one thing to be a dumb shit and it's [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► another thing to be a slightly [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► above-average intelligence dumb shit [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► which makes you 10 * fucking dumber than [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the dumbest dumb shit because because i [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► was so genetically incapable of seeing [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► what a dumbfuck I was and you know it [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► makes me resistant even try and help [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► anybody because obviously i'm still kind [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► of an idiot but you know what i mean [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► like it and the things that people would [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► say to me that seems so saying about how [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► to treat other people and how to behave [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► and how to make decisions I just thought [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► they were that they were square Bates [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► justjust dumbasses [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► uh-huh I mean you must have gone through [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► this a little bit oh I was tortured by [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► other people are coming up because I [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► we felt like I felt I i I'm really kept [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► trying to do the right thing i'm in my [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► interactions with other people and that [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► invariably sets you on the course for [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► doom and destruction if you're trying to [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► be normal you know what I mean like a [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► normal team who is not thinking about [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► doing the right thing [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► normal team is just trying to do you [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► know trying to do something anything in [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► at any opportunity right arm [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► normal team is not flying up above the [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► scenario trying to discern what the best [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► course of action for everyone involved [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► is and and I spent my whole young life [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► watching people go about their living [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► and wondering and standing in the middle [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► of it like one of those stop motion [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► scenes in the movie where everyone's [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► moving really fast and the person in the [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► center is is moving super slow and he's [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► like but but wait you know and people [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► just getting on with it and I'm and I [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► was in the I was in this like this [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► constant cloud of thinking that that all [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► the all the petty little problems that [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► people were getting into we could just [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► figure out and and and figure out what [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► the what the right thing to do is and [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► then do that and you know and I think [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► that's why later on I i I'd over into [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► drugs and and bad and doing bad things [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► because later on I was like well you [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► know what [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► like none of that trying to do good [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► produced anything but sadness in me and [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► everyone I touched so now i'm just going [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► to be to be bad i'm gonna do the bad [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► stuff i'm gonna do all the bad stuff and [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► maybe that way i'll come out the other [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► side and it will all have evened out [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► somehow you know and that didn't work [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► that was just that was just bad that was [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► just doing bad things for their own sake [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► and and you know it still was a kind of [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► like overthinking overthinking what you [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► doing bad things for the sake of doing [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► bad things you're thinking too much [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► yeah you know just go like you want to [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► be with the girl go try and be with the [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► girl you don't it doesn't have to be [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► that you it's doesn't have to be like a [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► like an epic poem just go try to be with [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► the girl [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► well the notices the frustrating part on [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► both sides of the equation [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► it's a you think about like trying to my [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► daughter's a little young for this but I [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► try to think about how you teach a kid [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► to ride a bike and the first time the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► kid gets on a bike they fall down and [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► they don't ride the bike anymore because [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► there's no way they're ever gonna be [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► able to ride a bike and actually him and [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► took him and combined until they get [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► back on the ball you hit him with the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► bike and you say you like this i can [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► help with the bike like this like stand [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► up but if you you know the thing is if [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► you know how to ride a bike how do you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► describe to somebody how to ride a bike [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► you might have a couple ideas but [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► basically just go we ride the bike and [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► it seems so obvious i'm not saying you [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► can't help somebody do that but it's [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► really i think it's really frustrating [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► as a former as a former cereal dumbfuck [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► whose hopefully trying to get a little [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► better at some of it it's really [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► frustrating part i think a lot of this [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► comes down to like I can't fix you and I [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► can't prevent you from doing everything [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► wrong but your students doing [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► I see you doing something that I can [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► promise you is so fucking stupid and d [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► railing and i wish i could get you to [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► see how stupid and direct its and that's [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► the thing that you're least likely to [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► change in somebody like you say just ask [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► her out she's scared to know if she says [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► no you know what [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► that's okay you're not gonna die yeah I [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► kept I kept thinking and I kept thinking [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► that there was i mean i'm not alone in [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► this there's [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► though there's a world of people [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► thinking this but you know everybody [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► thinks there's a secret to life [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► I kept thinking that the secret to life [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► was attainable and I was going to you [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► know once i figured it out i was gonna [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► share it with everybody how God was just [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► like that said that's a tough formula [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► boy kid but you know if I went back and [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► talked to myself right now if I stood in [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► front of my 17 year old cell and grabbed [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► myself by my stupid shirt that you know [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► my stupid kind of like like a plan that [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► patchwork shirt that i thought was [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► hilarious and cool grab myself by that [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► shirt lift myself up off the ground and [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► set all this to myself I would just be [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► like yeah whatever man whatever old bad [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► yeah no I'm the worst example of [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► everything that I thought was wrong you [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► know in a lot of ways because not [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► because i think i think i can help you [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► know all this this kid i'm going to try [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► and help not knowing that kid already [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► knows everything and plus i'm obviously [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► some kind of a doofus now and I remember [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► thinking like i said i was standing [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► outside the library yesterday and I was [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► watching this you know very old woman [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► crossing the street and you know people [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► being very impatient with their cars and [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► she's just an old lady trying to cross [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► the street she's a hunched over and shit [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► and i was thinking like I remember [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► there's green matter came over and get [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► out of the way people have to go places [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► madam if you throw your phone matter [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► what I remember was a net and I never [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► overtly thought this but now i know i [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► was actually i was taking this so often [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► that I didn't even need two men think it [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► i thought people who got old did [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► something fucked up and wrong [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► ok know that they were so stupid that [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► they were stupid or like just didn't [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► realize that you could be eternally [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► young and healthy forever and and [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► obviously used to fucking idiot because [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► you got old [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► oh my my my best version of that is I [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► thought for a long time that Street [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► drunks and hobos had the wisdom of the [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► sages I got this my Tom Waits face o.o [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► its everybody's time with you know it's [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► it's it's the Bukowski years right where [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► you are going to schools and they teach [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► you nothing it's just a bunch of block [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► you know why because none of those [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► teachers have little [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► lived that's really actually lived you [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► need to go down to skid row [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► yep and find the guys who have you know [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► who have a literally have tire tracks on [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► their face and lay down next to them in [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► the in the in the piss Phil gutter and [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► say tell me man [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► what is the fucking secret and these [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► guys are gonna go adding adding adding [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► adding adding that let you finger me for [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► a quarter [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► I remember I was standing down as some [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► soup kitchen line one time and some guy [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► with one arm walks over to me and he's [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► got a pack of camel straits in his hand [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► and he goes hey brother can you help me [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► out and he holds out the pack of [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► cigarettes then I'm standing there you [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► know trying to be trying to be real cool [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► real street and I don't know what he's I [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► don't always ask him to help him out [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► this point is pack of cigarettes at me [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► I'm like yeah sure man what a what's [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► going on you know and I kind of hold [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► might like it [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► hold my hand up like I'm gonna kind of [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► high-five his cigarette pack or whatever [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► he's like uh it does help me out your [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► brother you know and I realized he's [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► looking for looking for a fire wingman [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► please let my cigarette though he's only [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► got one arm you can open his pack of [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► cigarettes right and so oh oh I get it I [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► get it I get it okay on you want me to [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► open your package cigarettes i got it [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► you know all these guys dinner like yeah [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► so like I grabbed this pack of [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► cigarettes horrible but also for a [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► collective group of people just like six [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► guys it's raining always get out of the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► soup kitchen live there [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► and he comes over to me because I'm like [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► the one guy he thinks I'm just gonna run [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► off with his cigarettes or whatever but [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► at this point in my life I'm 17 years [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► old I've never opened to pack of [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► cigarettes in my life and I stick my [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► finger in one end of the top of the pack [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► of cigarettes and just pull across the [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► top of the back like like I'm opening a [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► bag of chips and this guy who's [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► expecting me to open the pack of [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► cigarettes like a guy you know you take [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► the cellophane and then you rip the [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► little one side of the the foil you're [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► ripping two different ways and open it [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► up and fold it back so that so that you [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► can tap out one cigarette a time you [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► know I rip this thing open like a bag of [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► Fritos and this one-armed guy goes [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► ballistic [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► he's like what the fuck are you doing [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► man why'd you fuck up my cigarette pack [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► god stop got Apple stupid bullshit abs [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► the cigarettes out of my head you know [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► now he's got this cut basically like a [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► paper cup full of cigarettes but he's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► gotta figure out how to keep out of the [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► rain and these storms off he's screaming [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► at me from across the Pioneer Square you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► know like that ass all over never going [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► to happen to have a diameter i'm [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► standing looking around for that these [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► other guys for some support and they're [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► yeah so I was so humiliated and so you [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► know just like new new [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► yeah that you're the fish in the cell [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► there who I kills you're like just that [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► just kills your hobo credit if you [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► didn't make a single cup [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah no such a play with such [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► a fox pass but I mean my hobo cred was [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► already kind of in question because I [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► had I had a peach fuzz beard and I think [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► I was probably still wearing that same [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► patchwork plaid shirt that i thought was [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► so cool i might have even had a bandana [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► tied around my neck of it out [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► whatever it was like an eight-year-old [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► assistance he likes trains yeah these [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► guys were these guys were drinking [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► sterno haha that was like hey fellas I [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► help you with that straight life sure is [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► tough so how'd you lose the arm [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah I got a couple years of my [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► life that down there like you know hey [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► Gigi would do is to do like hers fellas [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► was Vietnam like other it's it's brutal [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► that's address exactly the same way now [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► but then when you when you have you know [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► when you when you had your tough times [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► there you you aren't too too far off [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► from that I mean probably make that [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► noise but no no anyways were like that i [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► made that noise sure enough the middle [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► and that's the thing it doesn't take you [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► long if that's what you're looking for [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► you can you can end up in being somebody [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► like that doing is you you when you see [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► it when you see a street person [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► particularly or alcoholic you know a lot [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► of street people are have legitimate [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► mental problems but if you if you want [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► to get there if you want to get to be a [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► street person just just strictly as an [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► alcoholic drug addict you can get their [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► surprisingly fast especially with the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► crack it seems like you could be there [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► inside of a month [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► well the crack or I mean there are [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► plenty of people who have who died of [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► alcoholism in their early thirties you [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► know you just drink themselves to death [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► by the time the 33 so I mean it doesn't [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► you think when you're 22 or or whatever [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► that you're you're kind of playing a [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► game where you have to have all have a [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► thousand years to figure it out but you [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► can make a couple of couple of bad turns [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► and it only takes a couple of like oopsy [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► uh-huh and no should I lost my job in my [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► apartment in the same week and now i [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► don't have up you know now I don't have [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► anywhere to go and oh shit and then I [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► like got an infection on my toe and they [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► don't have a place where i can get dry [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► shoes [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► oh shit you know and it's just a couple [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► of things and all the sudden year you're [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► actually in real trouble and yeah it was [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► it was funny how fast i went from being [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► of like a 17 year old who didn't know [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► how to open a pack of cigarettes to [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► being somebody who you know I i could [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► look it a couple of different directions [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► be like oh there's no good there's no [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► good way this is going to turn out but I [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► mean this is a professional know and [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► it's the it's like these efforts for the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► conventionalism like another version of [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► like being this in my case of suburban [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► kid where I could I could hold these two [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► ideas in my mind on the one hand i [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► wanted to be like somebody i proceeded [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► to be from a Tom Waits song or maybe [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► like Mickey Rourke in barfly or just [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► don't like that wasted right but then I [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► also wanted my mom to pick me up because [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► I feel like walking home from the mall [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► yeah there's the enemy's due to [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► completely to completely like you know [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► irreconcilable things one that is the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► thing if you if you spend much time with [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► Bukowski or a or Kerouac or any of the [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► great drugs they all want their mom to [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► pick them up [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► you know that's the thing they want to [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► go through a lot of moms but Williams [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► right the ones that managed to write [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► their their dramatic elegantly wasted [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► story down they had so many moms picking [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► them up you remember kowski Bukowski was [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► such a little crybaby little brat you [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► know maybe so do you really think that's [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► true you don't think you don't think [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► there's a persona was the cry baby brat [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► or them with the tough-guy alcohol i [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► don't know i mean i-i think you can talk [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► in the same way that you could I talk [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► yourself into being a hobo I I wonder [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► sometimes especially with hunter s [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► thompson and Bukowski i read a letter [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► from him [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► I don't have a couple things for him he [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► was a very very good writer [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► I mean he was not like a deranged man [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► all right you know what I mean it's [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► funny it's the same old things like Oh [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► Hemingway drink a lot so I'm gonna drink [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► a lot and then i'll be able to write the [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► old man and the sea or whatever I mean I [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► don't think that's that far off a lot of [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► people who think oh you know I read a [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► little bit of both layer and and now i [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► want consumption or something or [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► syphilis [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► I think that's absolutely true Bukowski [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► I think he thought he would drink and [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► drink himself into being Hemingway and [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► eat he turned out to be pretty good at [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► it i think the drinking the death part [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► yeah and the being anyway I mean I think [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► his book i think his poetry is great i [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► mean his books are all the same but i [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► think his poetry is some of them [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► some of the best well to me I don't know [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► I should come up with a name for this [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► like him hundreds Thompson Joni Mitchell [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► neil young Bob Dylan there are these [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► people who spawned so many horrible [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► imitators that you almost wish they [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► hadn't existed but there's so many [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► people I like hunter s thompson is [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► writing so much but I like hundreds [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► Thompson's writing the people the people [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► who decided to try and ate what they [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► perceive to be his persona and then kind [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► of half-assed their way through this [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► this style of writing that didn't have [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► the same editorial care that he did like [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► use it [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► he was a really good writer he meant [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► every word of that to sound that way you [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► know it wasn't he wasn't just a deranged [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► guy at the airport [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► you know he created that that feeling in [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► that tone and who wrote done Bukowski [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► barfly they write that oh yeah yeah but [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► I mean you have to have your senses the [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► problem you know it's a glam Faulkner [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► wrote he drank when he wasn't drinking [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► excuse me he drank when he wasn't [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► writing like either because he was done [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► with the project because he was you know [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► what I'm saying [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► did not sit down and get drunk in order [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► right it's like it's such a turn-on it's [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► such a cop-out it's something that seems [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► so romantic [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► when you're younger like me sitting [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► there with a hat i bought at goodwill [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► and a manual typewriter like thinking [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► that I was going to be you know anybody [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► that has a manual typewriter a hat was [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► ridiculous [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► your kids are stupid fucks so fucking [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► stupid we can't put them in camps yet so [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► i think we are there were getting closer [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► we're getting closer all the time I [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► think people are fed up I've been [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► talking to people about i am not the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► only one I think I think the sympathy [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► for teenagers in particular is is [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► plummeting really oh I do you know the [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► total idea teenagers we invented that [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that's an invention [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► yeah that's true that's a technology its [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► well you go back you go back to any [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► other any other century before the 20th [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► century there was no such thing as not [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► even a twentieth-century my mom talks [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► about it leaves a 5250 yeah but being a [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► teenager in the fifties and she said [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► that there was absolutely no interest [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► among her peers in being anything other [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► than adult as soon as you possibly could [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► because your child until you became an [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► adult [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► that's right you think it was like they [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► were like r-rated movies or something [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► so my mom when I think about when I [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► think about her life she turned 21 [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► in 1955 which was the birth of rock and [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► roll [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► uh-huh and she was living in ohio which [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► was like the heart of where [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► rock-and-roll really caught fire and she [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► worked at a radio station you know she [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► worked over to the television station [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► but she you know she was friends with [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► DJs and Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis and [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► and Fats Domino and all this stuff was [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► happening right there and I've [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► Christopher million times it was like [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► you know was there because we think [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► about a twenty-one-year-old right now 21 [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► and those your prime like that if if if [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► there if there is a rock music scene [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► happening like you're 21 years old [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► you're in the heart of it right that's [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► that's the beginning of your rock [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► appreciation years but differently you [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► can't you couldn't fathom a world in [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► which somebody 21 with direct access to [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► rock and roll would not be steeped in at [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► 22 hours a day [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► yeah and she said that was music that [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► was music and culture for little [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► children and I was 21 and so I was [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► wearing white gloves and a pillbox hat [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► and was going to I guess is right before [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► the pillbox happen when I was wearing [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► adult clothes and i was listening to [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► smooth jazz which is what adults did and [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► the end there was no i wasn't gonna go [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► sit in a crowd of of little girls like [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► screaming at some greaser right I was [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► like well i hear ya you know and she's [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► like that's some kind of this whole [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► business of T of being a teenager was [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► invented right then and didn't exist [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► before really before bro or two and and [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► the idea that you could be a 27 year old [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► teenager you know that's only 15 years [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► old but now this I was so I was so you [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► know it's funny as you get older and you [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► make these connections you figure out [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► things like oh my god my friends parents [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► wedding date is no fewer than nine [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► months after you don't mean like you [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► figure out these oh my God all these [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► things we go oh my gosh this is not what [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► it appears to be like they were pregnant [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► she's bringing when they got me [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► hi marcus when I will suddenly realized [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► oh my god [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► you used to be young and like this [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► beatles album was out when you were you [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► know she was in her twenties but I was [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► like oh my gosh that you can add like [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► really into like into the beatles and [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► they're like oh I mean and I don't know [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► if this is not what your mom was saying [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► but in that case it was like you [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► understand now where this is from [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► southern Ohio so there's the Indian [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► influence as you know [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► yeah southern Ohio is might as well be a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► politer out we yeah we you better people [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► better might as well be that little true [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► southern Ohio is Dixie I've only ever [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► heard secondhand ever heard people use [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► the phrase race music but i think that [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► might as well and yet ironically know [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► you don't mean it was something was de [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► clase or as your power column below it [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► was ghosh it wasn't the kind of thing [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► that an adult would listen to and so she [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► was they were really in a king cole and [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► and that was the coolest thing they're [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► into his neck and Cole after the trio [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► like him singing I'm talking about like [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► they're in a mantovani they were they [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► were originally it was called beautiful [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► music right now that you did that's what [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► you did [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah I in fact I i think i think my [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► mom said the first Beatles song that [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► really connected with her she said that [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► we met when yesterday came out that was [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► the sort of the beatles that converted [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► that the whole generation of adults who [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► were they realized oh these these teeny [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► boppers actually are writing actually [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► capable of writing beautiful music [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► because yesterday was a song that [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► appealed across generations in class and [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► and when that song came out the way my [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► mom describes that you know even my dad [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► who was who was by that time 45 years [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► old even he appreciated that song [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► Frank Sinatra appreciated that song like [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► it was that was the moment that the [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► Beatles grew up and became something [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► that you could that you could say that [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► you can appreciate being something other [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► than just for children never and and [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► that always stuck with me like you think [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► about yesterday as being just one of the [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► many great people songs but to think of [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► it as a watershed moment [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► in their own career where they were they [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► were growing up and that's like the most [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► covered song of all time the most [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► covered songs of all time because every [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► single person in the world looks back at [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► their past and wishes they had done it [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► differently [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► yeah houses this is really this is a [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► good one [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► this is going to really look at it it's [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► just constant let me ask you this did [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you how much do you worry about Venus [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► like I i am finally accepting the extent [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► to which i just could fucking care less [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► about almost everything you know I think [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► that letter birds fun i believe is the [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► one who said that you're not you're not [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► obligated to appreciate any music that [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► was written during your lifetime but [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► something like that but like right now [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► like I just I hear that hear everything [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► comes out and I I sound like the kind of [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► people i hated when I was 16 [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► because I it just it really i mean like [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► it even want to hear like a really good [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► like any rock band I'm like okay that [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► sounds like a not as good version of the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► Buzzcocks or whatever I don't like what [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► you like now you this is your part of [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► the industry you have to know these [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► things you have to keep up-to-date right [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► mm you feared you fear the focus you [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► kind of always been filling in some ways [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► right well that's exactly right i mean i [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► remember when i was 16 years old [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► a friend of mine and I were over at his [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► house and he was one of those kids that [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► called his parents by their first name [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► and it's not because they were hippies [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► it was because they were they were like [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► I don't know what I i never understood [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► their family that family dynamic but [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► this kid's name was Eric and his his [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► dad's name is Dean and his mom's name [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► was ed and he called demon ed and we [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► were over at demon eighties so we of [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► course we all did you know there are [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► other DVD Spurlock's and his mom said to [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► us kind of this is one of those things [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► that I'm I'm always careful not to say [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► to kids [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► I'm always careful not to talk to [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► teenagers this way because everyone's [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► well somebody would say this some [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► well-meaning adult would say this type [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► of thing to me and it really you know [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► your mind works on it for years [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► afterwards but she said she said to me [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► and her son she was like um listen boys [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► I know your peers don't think you're [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► handsome now [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► but you're both very handsome men and [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► you just haven't grown into it yet but [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► rest assure the criminal perspective you [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► guys are both going to be very handsome [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► man and you just relax don't worry that [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► you are awkward that she actually think [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► that was going to be helpful at uniting [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► don't worry that you are awkward ugly [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► unappealing teenagers because you have [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► you are clearly going to grow up and be [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► handsome men and we were both like blue [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► and kind of Sally Roe looked at each [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► other when she said this to us as we're [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► walking out the door like on our way out [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► like bye see you later she was like oh [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► by the way boys just one last thing [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► before you go [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► and so we go get in his car were both [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► like oh and he's like ah you know sorry [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► my mom sometimes I was like no no it's [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► fine it's fine you know we're both like [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► turning it over months for handsome men [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► ok but where unappealing teenagers all [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► right uh no [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► and at that moment I knew that I was an [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► old fogey you know she planted in my [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► mind the idea that Mike mark best years [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► were always gonna be in front of me I [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► was always going to be chasing after the [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► you know I'm gonna be one of those [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► people that becomes becomes beautiful as [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► he becomes the gray you know like and so [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► I've never I've never been worried about [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► being hip but what I what I'm noticing [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► now as i get older is that I have to [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► resist the fatalism that comes with that [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► but they're like well fuck it you know [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► 000 people get fat so why not just let [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► it happen or like you kids go run and [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► play [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► I'll just sit here and sort rust emails [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► into different jars should know like I [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► have no worry about me i got the nail [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► jars i got my nail jars i got some [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► screws over here get to or i can finish [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► the males and and I got all these cans i [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► think about worry about becoming [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► calcified or or inflexible you know the [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► same kind of people who said you know [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► who [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► look down their nose at the bread you [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► know whatever Jerry Lee Lewis or or rap [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► music or whatever they call hip-hop now [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► that but you know I wonder what I'm [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► missing out on by being the way I am [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► but then I see teenagers i get so [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► fucking angry i see themselves and only [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► thing to do with that like I want all of [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► you to be put somewhere because [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► everything you're doing is wrong [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► yeah the secret to the 20 to the fact [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► that like I don't understand [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► I really don't understand video games [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► that that that require tremendous [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► investment of time and practice that's [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► actually that's a perfect example [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► you know what I mean like I don't [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► understand them I i played video games [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► when i was a kid i was there at the [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► birth of video games as a kid I was [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► their target audience but I didn't make [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► the transition to first-person shooter [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► games I didn't make the transition from [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► the video games it wasn't it wasn't like [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► you said there with a headset planes [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► you said there with a headset planes [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► that's for 16 hours a day but but I I [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► fully understand i see in the culture i [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► see that video game that internet that [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► immersive video games are are simply a [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► thing that i do not understand they I [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► can I i am not in a position to say to [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► make a value judgment about them because [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► they are simply I think I do not [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► understand and and there was a while I [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► think what I would have said that they [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► were bullshit but that is where that [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► that is coming from the same voice of [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► somebody that says that Elvis is jungle [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► music or right now it's the same [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► ignorance that that the only way you can [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► express your ignorance is it as like [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► Angry contempt or whatever and so I have [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► to say I have to step out i act like i [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► have i've completely stepped away from [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► the conversation about hip hop in [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► American culture because i was i was [TS]