The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► do-do-do-do-do-do-do didn't attend to do [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► did it did it did it really didn't did [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► it a duty tuna didn't do to you to do [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► the inconstant number 177 anywhere we [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► went before a team [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► welcome back to the uncomfortable i'm [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► your host Jason snail and tonight we're [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► gonna do another one of your ridiculous [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► draft in this case we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► about video games and upon reflection we [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► decided to break up the video game [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► drafts and two so we will add a later [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► date do a computer-based videogame graph [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► this is a console-based video game draft [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► so we're gonna be drafting not consoles [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► but the games on the consoles and for me [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► that's going to mean I've got a list [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► really heavy and atari 2600 but that's [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► but I i imagine that some of our other [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► competitors are going to have a much [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► broader selection of games talking about [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► so basically this is an excuse for us to [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► talk about some of the great video games [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► on consoles in history and joining me to [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► talk about it i'm going to start with [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► the guy who will be vying with me for [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► atari 2600 games its greatness hi Greg [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► hello very old person yes welcome oh my [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► day that were paddles and joysticks and [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► you could chose good to have your Greg [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► uh Tony single are also here he's much [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► more well-versed and plays games that [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► were made post 1978 hi Tony [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► hi Jason I myself was made post 1978 eh [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► probably not by people who are playing [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► video games [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► not at the time breakout I'm telling you [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► break out was much it was a mood setter [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Steve a mood setter Steve let's hear you [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► heard him [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► hi Steve you you've got a long tawdry [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► video game that's don't know what you're [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► talking about [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► I see the fun is back oh yes siree it's [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► the 2600 from Atari very go on but I [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► won't but not not yet i'll have you know [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► if I'm sounding a bit Fleming tonight is [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► because i am actually sick but that's [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► actually perfect because as a kid I used [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► to love being sick because it meant I [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► got to sit home all day and play video [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► games and do nothing else it's perfect [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► so I'm totally in the right frame of [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► mind that your podcast about video games [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► and shirking my duties in the real world [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► yeah brought moisture yo enjoyed as he [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► heard we were doing a video game drafted [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► he couldn't stay away hoist welcome back [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► three backup failure just blow on the [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► cartridge know myself to save and John [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► siracusa of course we couldn't keep them [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► away we wouldn't do it without a hi John [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► got lots kid has a bright future in the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► world of televised commercial [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► entertainment [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► I think so that jingle he's saying just [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► really brought it back to make great [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► condition [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► thank you appreciate that web store is [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► his enemy [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► yeah I don't know something like that [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► alright so we have our participants and [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► I i have a draft order that I've [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► randomly selected here comes because [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► we've got Steve Tony john gregg me and [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► moist SS and steve lets you get to have [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► the first selection [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► oh yeah IM the draft so cool a go [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► oh yeah I I pic kool-aid man as my first [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► that was never a game that was a game [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► wasn't it was a 2600 cool game [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► oh heck yeah there was you know of [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► course there's a 2600 game for [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► go ahead Steve you can pick that if you [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► want then I will not be picking how [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► making picking can pick up no no I have [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► like a chess move you can't take it back [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► instead and thank goodness i have first [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► draft pick because i have a feeling with [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► two of you old guys on here this might [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► have gone first for either of you so I'm [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► gonna pick it now and get it off the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► board right away [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► chanting following us for being old and [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► now you're gonna figure named because [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► I'm ordered to go through i'm gonna go [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► with Atari 2600 adventure damage which [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► is of course the timeless tale of a [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► square who must return the letter Y to [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► the yellow castle so that it may once [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► again color cycle the squares really [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► blown away by the giant keys though [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► they're like larger than its body that [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► it has to carry around and like an ant [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► carrying a leaf the enormous bat that's [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► like the size of six squares that's a [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► crazy world he lives in the East slays [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► dragons with his trusty arrow sometimes [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► with the tip sometimes with the shaft [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► depending on which way he's facing the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► reason adventure is great is because it [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► was one of the first i would say to [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► console games that wasn't either a [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► half-baked arcade port [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► we basically it's just it was the first [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► one or the second one that wasn't a [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► half-baked arcade board pretty much [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► everything up until that point had been [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► and then in 77 i think it was maybe 78 [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► yeah maybe it was 79 it was 79 in 1979 [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► Superman came out and then in nineteen [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► eighty it came adventure both of them [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► excellent games [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► this was a one of the first console [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► games that you could actually win and [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► for somebody had been playing [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► surrounding air sea battle for a couple [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► of years it really kind of opened my [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► eyes as to hey console games could be [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► actually something much more interesting [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► than what i've seen up until now and [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► perhaps most importantly I think it was [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► probably one of the first console games [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► that was actually fun to play by [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► yourself [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► most of those early atari games they [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► were pretty useless unless you actually [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► had somebody to play against and the AI [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► generally was non-existent or horrible [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► but adventure you could actually enjoy [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► even if you just snuck out into the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► living room at 2am to get in a little [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► extra Teri time it was i think also kind [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► of technically impressive considering [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► that it was it was packed into four [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► kilobytes a surprising number of [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► different castles and mazes packed into [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that tiny little memory space and while [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► the layout of the rooms never changed [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that the fact that they would place the [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► objects randomly every game gave the [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► game a replay value that I don't think [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► anything that had before I i haven't [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► played the game in over 20 years but i [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► played it so much as a kid that I could [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► still probably draw you a perfect map [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► and including the layout of all of the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► labyrinths and the secret maze room with [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the dot hidden in it [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► which brings me to the fact that [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► adventure actually also featured the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► first widely known easter egg rated by [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► Warren Robinett created by Warren [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► Robinett although apparently and this [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► made me sad when I heard about in 2004 [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► they found that somebody had already [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► stuck his name into a 1978 channel F [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► game so video which ball actually holds [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► the title [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► yes video with ball but he first easter [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► egg but adventure i think probably has [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► more lasting a more lasting power than [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► video was balling for help [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► I don't think it's fair that somebody [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► who doesn't make a noise when he stands [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► up from a squat gets to choose adventure [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► he's not old enough he's projected about [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► you've got like one year on me and it's [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► but it's a hard year haha true every [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► year for you is a hard year right is not [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► many years of my life [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► oh it's the achievements you pick up [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► along the way [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► yeah I what I loved about adventure [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► which I would have chosen is my first [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► pick was the scope of it most of the [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► games you could get for the Atari 2600 [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► they had like seven hundred game [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► variations but it was fire one shot or [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► two shots have two rows of enemies or [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► three rows of enemies it was all really [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► tiny variations in really simple [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► gameplay but adventure was huge [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► increases huge as you can get in 4k and [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► you could wanted the difficulty level [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► determine how many castles you had to go [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► through and what you had what levels you [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► have to go through and like Steve said [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the randomization it was an amazing [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► terrific game for the time and it you [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► know the three dragons have different [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► personalities and so depending on which [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► one was coming at you you'd have to [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► treat them differently and the yellow [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► dragon would actually run from the [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► yellow key which is yes pray with the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► yellow dragon was slow and stupid and [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► the red one was terrifying that was the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► first time I ever screamed at something [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► happening in a video game [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► I think the best thing about the Dragons [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► by far is the genius of having a player [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► shape hole inside of there are certain [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► when were down by there you could see [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► yourself struggling feebly in there [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► while you work with the joystick [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► side-to-side that's a great one [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► I snapped my first game man that's a [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► good one that's a that's very good one [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► sorry that's just how it goes Greg [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► thanks for early order [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► oh lucky i can go to bed now yeah [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► mission accomplished [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► I've done my part so we will move on our [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► second pick is going to be Tony [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► oh man oh man that's surprised I am I'm [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► totally ready to pass no no I'm good um [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► i will choose something not from this [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► century [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► just because it seems like not a lot of [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► competition for those i will draft Super [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► Mario Brothers 3 the third entry in the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► Super Mario series for the nintendo [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► entertainment system in 1990 I had a [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► nintendo entertainment system as a child [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► that had all the Super Mario Brothers [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► games but the the third one was kind of [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► a breakthrough in terms of you know use [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► your standard mario game you jump on [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► google+ you pick up things but I had all [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► these complicated power-ups and it had a [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► map with levels that could be [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► experiencing kind of nonlinear fashion [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► and weird power-ups in fact there was [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► the ability if you got if you can change [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► the right power-ups it was possible to [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► get to like the final level in like 30 [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► minutes if you got all the right [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► whistles um I think it was also [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► noteworthy in that i was introduced to [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► Super Mario Brothers 3 of via the wizard [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► which is a advertisement disguise to [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► feature length movie starring Fred [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► Savage [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► I love the power glove it's so bad that [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► advertisement made 14 million dollars [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► and co-star jenny lewis from rilo kiley [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► so and ended Fred Savage his career he [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► went to the wonder years after that he's [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► a successful director now [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► yeah he's now one of the most successful [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► TV directors in the business that's all [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► thanks Super Mario Brothers 30 sorry for [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► a minute there I slipped into a parallel [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► universe where there was justice the the [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► guy who the guy who played his little [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► brother gimme-gimme-gimme jimmy woods he [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► i think was in jeepers creepers two and [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► a couple other things I actually met did [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► you say Jimmy would love a character [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► actor Jimmy went away worry buddy no no [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► that was the character named it was the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► character I've seen the Wizard way too [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► many times I actually met Fred Savage [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► the guy who played his younger brother [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► and the director of the movie at a [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► screening the guy who now works for [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► roosterteeth here in Austin through a [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► few years ago and they were baffled that [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► there was a room full of 200 people that [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► were rabid to see this movie and I think [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► super mario brothers also that's but the [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► third one that was when in addition to [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► the wizard they had all kinds of other [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► ridiculous media tie-ins [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► they had an animated TV show it's also [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► been remade several times which leads to [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► some very funny names for example super [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► mario advance for colon Super Mario [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► Brothers 3 the test which i think you [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► know that's a great phenomenon mainly [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► unique to video games or really bad [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► movies when you can have two different [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► integers in the in the title so Tony [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► what makes this super mario brothers [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► exceptional i would say that the variety [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► to it you know super mario brothers one [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► is was definitely a classic and it's [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► probably one of the most successful [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► games of all time and get one of the [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► top-selling in part because it was [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► packaged with the console super mario [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► bros to really kind of expanded on that [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► with all these power-ups and kind of [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► different ways you can explore the world [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► different different suits that you could [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► wear which are kind of weird including a [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► tanooki suit which I was a small child [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► not familiar with no keys which are kind [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► of a Japanese raccoon dog that in the [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► Super Mario Brothers world can turn to [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► stone and it also had this interesting i [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► get there were different bosses along [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► the way you have to fight each of King [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► Koopas weird strange children as opposed [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► to just fighting Cooper browser you know [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► every supernova really want you just [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► fight him over and over again he gets me [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► to reach time but he throws access and [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► stuff but a lot more variety to this one [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► it is very different than on Super Mario [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► Brothers 2 which is noteworthy in terms [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► of mentioning because super mario [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► brothers to was not actually a Mario [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► Brothers game it's another game called [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► doki doki panick that they basically [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► change the sprites to be Mario sprite so [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► that they could crank out Mario Brothers [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► game really quickly because they were [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► afraid that mario 2 would be too hard [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► for American yes there's a secret hard [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► Mario Brothers to which I think has been [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► since released as like the lost levels [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► seem to another article that's right and [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► has like and it has power-ups that kill [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► you and and is is very I think it has [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► levels with wind if i'm remembering yeah [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► it'sit's it was too hard for us but [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► yeah so that's what that's what I'm [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► going with [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► that's also chronologically one of the [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► earlier games in my list [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► alright alright let's go stephen gregg [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► and safe then yes they from you that's [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► good now judges with Super Mario [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► Brothers 3 off the table [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► does that also remove super mario [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► brothers [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► one and two I think we talking about [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► course it does no idea it isn't this [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► what I'm going to say that entity you [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► might you need to you know you need to [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► speak about why although that game a [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► version of this game has already been [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► picked you were going to pick a [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► different version i think i would never [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► just know it [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► it's not a virginal same game when they [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► spend like two decades these are not the [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► same game they have the same narrow [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► somewhere in the time i would like to [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► draft all Zelda's all of ya i'm not [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► talking about you know taking super [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► mario world or or super mario 64 off the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► table and talking about the ones that [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► are in the Super Mario Brothers see I [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► think you're fair game [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► I think you can take one tonight and I [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► want you to differentiate them as all i [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► would say yes i will tell you that my [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► head on my list back up thinking Super [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► Mario Brothers 3 was already taken [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► super mario world would be my next [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► favorite Super Mario game for this desk [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► boilers yeah really now I'm not gonna [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► draft that i'm good i got a mario on my [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► list [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► I'm good you got to go tomorrow okay [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► we're moving on to Moises s what do you [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► have for us so I i I'm gonna go with the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► theme and I don't think you guys are [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► gonna be able to pick up on it very [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► quickly because i think will be the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► judge of that right i think the first [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► one will throw you all the way off [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► unless you happen to be a bad enough do [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► to save the president [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► yeah now the full title of this game was [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► originally bad dude vs. dragon ninja [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► which is actually even better than the [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► great title that is bad dudes where [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► these guys wearing tank tops and jeans [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► have to go beat up a bunch of gang [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► characters and save the president from a [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► bunch of gangs it started out as an [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► arcade game but I came to know it on the [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► NES where it was the most violent video [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► game i had seen in my life that they say [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► they're bad dude they're bad news i mean [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► if you got to be a bad due to do [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► something heroic [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► it was honestly I i think i think we can [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► all agree [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► speaking for the entire panel that this [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► was the birth of the anti-hero okay [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► maybe I can't speak for the whole panel [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► I it is it's difficult to go further [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► into depth about this beat em up game [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► which is your generic kind of [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► side-scrolling I'm going to punch things [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► until it falls down [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► and blinks out of existence well on the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► dragon enjoy say what a dragon did he is [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► well in Japan it was at the according to [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► wikipedia and who knows how accurate [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► wikipedias i looked up earlier in Japan [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► it's known just as dragon ninja they [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► don't know it is bad dudes they just [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► know its dragon I think bad dudes is [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► really an American concept [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► yeah are you dragon enough to ninja I [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► don't doesn't make sense to me [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► you can't have bad dudes without [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► sleeveless t-shirts [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► I've never even heard of this game you [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► in every god I missed I missed the nes i [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► totally missed the nes completely [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► utterly missed it but if you went into a [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► movie theater with it had three video [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► games in the front of the union lobby [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► one of them was bad dudes in okay look [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► he wasn't a bad enough dude to know I [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► was not a bad deal wasn't and I wanted [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► to present to die i guess they have a [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► milquetoast dude version [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► no but there is a spiritual sequel [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► called to crew dudes in Japan it was [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► called crude Buster because they like [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► throwing the word Buster LC yeah I know [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► I know it sounds like a leisure suit [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► larry sequel but but this this was one [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► of the many data east side scrolling [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► beat-'em-up games that were effectively [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the exact same game engine with [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► different sprites of her things [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► I'm pretty well convinced they they did [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► most of the code once and just [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► substituted in different character [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► graphics for what you beat up until it [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► blinked off into you know we're dead [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► bodies go [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► that isn't you know actually being a [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► dead body on the ground they fade away [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► fade away they fade away [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► Wow there was a whole nother generation [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► of games like that where they seem to [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► just swap out the sprites like the [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► Simpsons and teenage mutant ninja [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► turtles and they all seem to be exactly [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► the same hardware exactly the same [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► they're all great with the same game [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► that divorce is dragon ninja vs dragon [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► ninja about possibly first dragon what [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► we need to be mentioning the Japanese [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► titles of all our pics if you want its [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► optional i only mention that because it [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► was the [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► the most bizarre alternate full title [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► I've ever seen [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► alright Greg sauce you get to go next I [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► choose adventure for the Atari 2600 in [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► Japan was known as crazy square hate bat [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► are you sure that it wasn't known as it [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► hip to be square bad now I want to stab [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► you with the half of my sword that [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► square versus dragon my six pixel sword [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► I've heard that about you go go ahead [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► Greg okay well I'm going to pick an [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► obscure title that's old utopia for the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► intellivision I don't know if anybody's [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► ever heard of it much less played it but [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► it was a terrific and one of the two [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► player game one of the first sim games [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► the game starts out there are two [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► islands that represent the world there [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► are two continents i guess and then each [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► player takes a turn building industry or [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► farmland or fishing surviving weather [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► disasters eventually building the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► military to be able to attack your [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► opponent and once you've conquered your [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► opponent's island you in and it's the [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► end of the game [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► wow it was terrific what kind of utopia [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► could possibly exist on television [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► series yeah about a mess and in a utopia [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► where everybody has flat films and [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► television controller just makes me feel [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► uncomfortable looking there's really [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► there's nothing I think that captures [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► the seventies more than television [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► hardware I the 2600 was pretty good with [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► the wood paneling the intellivision had [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► i think in the intelligent also anything [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► controller looks like a like a phone [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► yes that stretchy phone cable and a [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► weird basically had the little strategy [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► cable that that went about 2 feet so you [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► both had the huddle around the unit on [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► the floor and then you would not be [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► pushing the direction disk so hard that [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► you would pull your thumb off of it and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► you have a bit the tip would be flat and [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► after a couple of years of really [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► abusing it the little buttons on the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► keypad wouldn't work in me they were [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► just bubble contact it is impressive [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► that it took almost like 15 years of [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► console hardware before they're like hey [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► let's make controllers that are [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► rectangles you know that won't like [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► carve little pivot points in two people [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► having paid good money to see a video of [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► George Plimpton actually trying to use [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► the intellivision [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► controllers and I think it would have [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► ended in swears at the very least are [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► you dates when that's all most people [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► remember about the intelligent platform [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► is George Plimpton's ads that's all [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► certainly all I remember about it they [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► were to the sports games and sports [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► games were all terrific there especially [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► compared to the 2600 yeah you know that [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► the first version of 2,600 baseball and [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► I don't know if we got released her it [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► was just caught in testing but three [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► strikes and you'd walk because [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► apparently the implementer doesn't [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► understand that baseball worked [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► wow that's a heck of a game yeah but the [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► intellivision both baseball and football [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► and soccer which I was less interested [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► in hockey oh my god the hockey was great [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► you could stick people and so they would [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► flip over and slide across the ice on [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► their butts and one set of three times [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► you get called for a penalty but utopia [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► really kind of set the stage for all the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► sim games and a lot of the God games and [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► it was something that was slower paced [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► and turn-based but it wasn't just [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► another like Steve said arcade clone or [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► something where you would play for a [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► couple of minutes die and have it be [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► over there was actual strategy involved [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► i did try to avoid putting our clade [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► clones or games that were available for [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► the pc on my list with some stuck in the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► past it's inevitable [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► okay i think it's also where you where [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► you played it and I've got a I've got a [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► very popular arcade game on my list [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► that's that I just I played on the 2600 [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► so much that it's on my list for that [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► all right time to stop things for just a [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► moment and talk about our sponsor mail [TS]

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00:21:11 ◼   ► mail route is a great service that make [TS]

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00:21:16 ◼   ► in your inbox mail route is the leading [TS]

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00:21:32 ◼   ► corporations use it as well as regular [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► people like me who got a domain and [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► maybe it's just me or just a few people [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► there no user minimum so even if you're [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► just a single person with a domain or [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► you've got two or three people in your [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► family you can get the spam and viruses [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► filtered out by using mail route [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► mail routes focus is delivering only the [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► clean email that you want nothing you [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► don't the interfaces are built with that [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► in mind they're simple there's an API so [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► if you've got a lot of users there's [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► easy account management they support [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► ldap and Active Directory TLS male [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► bagging outbound relay you anything you [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► can think of that you would want from [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► the people handling your mail mail [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► routes and got it and lots of clever [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► other stuff too [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► you can configure with very simple tools [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► what uh how often you want to get [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► reminded about messages that they have [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► filtered and then it's one click from an [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► email they send you to retrieve any [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► message that they might have filtered [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► accidentally you can whitelist with [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► 1-click so retrieving spam and non-spam [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► is really easy and in my time using it [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► I've been very impressed what a good job [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► it does pulling up the spam and letting [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► all of the good mail through and I just [TS]

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00:23:06 ◼   ► thanks to mail route for filtering out [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► the spam for my email and for sponsoring [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► the uncomfortable [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► John siracusa it's your turn if I was a [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► little bit unfair as i talked about all [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► my favorite video games on nitrous [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► journey and that's right and it's also [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► kind of unfair because I as I think I [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► mentioned before I wasn't allowed to [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► have a game console when I was a kid so [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► the only place i had access to any game [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► consoles like the ones of the old people [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► are talking about that my friends houses [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► it so grateful the old temple thank you [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► very much yeah so so my list actually [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► excuse-excuse a bit young here because [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► my be my first real console was like the [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► time i was in college and I couldn't [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► have one in the house but thankfully i'm [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► gonna show with a bunch of old fogies [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► and people who had consult before me and [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► so even though I'm late in the order i [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► get to pick what is quite possibly the [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► best video game of all time [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► everybody who is a right-thinking gamer [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► police say with me the legend of zelda [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► ocarina [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I'm yeah I oh yeah that tell me more [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► about your square [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► I'm it is is this is this month is the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► elder abuse portion of the show almost [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► over cuz no I'm just a gas that he [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► didn't pick the wand of gamilon what ya [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► call because you're just making up words [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► now no no it's a real time via the most [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► important video game history no not [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► really but it's definitely the most [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► important game in the Zelda series at [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► least the modern Zelda series because it [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► put down the blueprint for all the zelda [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► games that would follow it and start [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► snarky comment here now and I i think it [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► was a strong blueprint and it was only [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► just repeated ocarina of time over and [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► over again but I it was a strong enough [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► blueprint for the game that it held up [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► it for ten subsequent years and [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► basically remaking the same game with [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► the details changed I without it feeling [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► old know some people did get tired of it [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► but I definitely didn't but this was the [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► first one is kind of like Blade Runner [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► in that respect where you look back on [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► your like oh what's the big deal every [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► game is like that now but every game [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► wasn't like that when this game came out [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► so what made us look good well it was [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► the first 3d Zelda but it was not the [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► first big 3d game and I think that [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► really helped because if it would have [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► been too much to bite off at once if you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► said ok we're going to make the first [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► great 3d game and we're going to make [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► that zelda is just too much stuff there [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► that so this game years after the 3d [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► revolution so we had time to sort out [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► how 3d works even your time to figure [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► out okay we've got three stuff handle [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► how do we do all this stuff that you [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► need in the zelda games is a big degree [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► of difficulty you've got this big world [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► you got relatively complex controls you [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► have inventory of NPCs you have the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► music puzzles combat and all the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► atmosphere a lot of stuff like it's a [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► lot to take in all at once so this game [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► had to come years after the switch from [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► 2d to 3d not right when it started all [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► those things amazingly well and one of [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► things that highlight in particular the [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► soundtrack which we were still stuck in [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► the middie era back on the the world a [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► nintendo because they hadn't gone to [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► optical media so you couldn't just [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► stream in orchestral score of the esco [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► had to be MIDI and it's kind of like a [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► transition between the chiptunes of the [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► 8-bit NES and are the armada music [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► sounds like music but i think the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► soundtrack holds up amazingly well [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► especially if you consider that the head [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► music almost during the entire movie [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► like you re running around these levels [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► and every level had sort of an ambient [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► background music and that can go so [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► wrong when there's a game with [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► background music and you're staying [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► you're running around this level of like [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► three hours and start the great on you [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► and drive you nuts and the opposite [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► happened for me and I think most people [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► are not creative time you became you [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► sort of got attached to that background [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► music going to give you sort of a sense [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► of place and now when you hear that [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► music you pick yourself back in that [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► place you don't picture on my god that [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► incessant music needs to stop which i [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► think is quite an achievement especially [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► considering that it was midi in [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► retrospect I think the technical limits [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► are a little bit uh tough to swallow [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► these days especially the 2d towns where [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► they didn't have enough memory on the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► cartridge do fully 3d rendered town so [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► they just did like a studio backdrop [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► that you ran around in but I'm willing [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► to forgive that because you know [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► cartridges for characters and what could [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► you do [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► I so yeah so I I think despite the fact [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► that anyone who goes back and plays now [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► both probably find it sort of tiresome [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► and it'll seem like it's all been done [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► before this was the first one and it did [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► so many things so well that it really [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► just trounced all games that came before [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► including all the original Zelda's I [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► think wow that Steve do you want to go [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► me again how and explain why you debate [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► this you know i'm not sure this draft is [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► really about bashing others pic I isn't [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► isn't okay no no I i personally have [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► never finished a 3d Zelda game and that [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► might invalidate my opinion here but i [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► would say well did you play this when it [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► came out I did yeah i think i still have [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► the cartridge upstairs in fact i was [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► going to bust it out and finally finish [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► it over the next month or so just to say [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► that I have but for me the gameplay just [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► got so repetitive after maybe I don't I [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► got through the water temple and didn't [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► wasn't too horrified by the difficulty [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► of that but by the time i was through [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► that I was basically I think I've kind [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► of seen what this campus to offer at [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► this point the story isn't enough to [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► really drive me forward and and I just [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► decided I was going to move on to [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► something else and every time I've [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► picked up a zelda game sense at least a [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► 3d 1 i've had the same experience i get [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► maybe I don't know 15 hours into it and [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► I go am well I think there are things [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► I'd rather be doing and then I'm [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► one not saying that makes it a bad game [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► but it's it doesn't it doesn't appeal to [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► me in the same way that it does to [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► apparently every single other person in [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► well the people who haven't lost their [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► childlike sense of wonder huh haha those [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► who still have souls [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► yeah fair enough John I really [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► appreciate what you said about about the [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► music thing I I although I have to say I [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► believe I can still recall the entire [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► soundtrack of it maybe even be super [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► mario brothers three that my my [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► brother-in-law who is about 14 years [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► younger than me was playing when he was [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► a kid on the NES I i can hear those so i [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► will hurt hear those songs on my [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► deathbed and not in a happy way but [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► that's my twelve-year-old son is in the [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► school orchestra and they play the mario [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► theme as part of their repertoire and so [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► he wanders around the house hunting [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► without having any idea where it comes [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► from you [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► doo-doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► did it dt doo-doo-doo-doo-doo [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► doo-doo-doo-doo-doo when you're doing [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► something on the side box in the [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► background with oh don't but you had to [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► jump at that point is everybody you [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► always had to jump when it went to do [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► 244 yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► oh my god it's a shared experience it's [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► super catching it is all right i'm gonna [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► make my pic I'm never surprised people [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► by taking a taking a game from the year [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► i think it was from the year 2000 [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► certainly it's got 2,000 in the name and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► what is what is discussion of video [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► games without talking about sports games [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► and so I'm gonna pick my absolute [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► favorite console sports game of all time [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► it's NFL blitz 2000 which is the see [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► what happened it's a solid pick with [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► wanting to ask you for that with sports [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► games what happened is they started [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► being much more about here going to get [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► into the realism it's gonna be like [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► you're watching on TV [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► and you're gonna be able to choose [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► complicated plays and you know with [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► madden NFL I could just watch TV at that [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► point why don't I just watch TV of a [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► real game instead of a made-up game they [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► have draft you go through a draft you [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► playing the miners you go through a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► draft you do team interviews like my [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► elder son plays that stuff downstairs [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► and he tells me stories about what's [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► happening in his video game yeah i think [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► they can medicate that medicated with a [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► two by so let me explain NFL blitz so [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► NFL blitz is a reaction to that was [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► based on a lie i believe it was first in [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► arcades i'm not sure but i discovered on [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► PlayStation their original playstation [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► and i love this game and what the reason [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► i love this game is that it is a [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► simplified football game I played at re [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► football on the 2600 and loved it and [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► that was a terrible game but I could [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► score like 80,000 touchdowns and never [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► give up a point NFL blitz so because [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► there were three different yeah there [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► are 33 guys so um it NFL blitz 2001 the [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► other NFL blitz is very simple you know [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► II the all the fun of playing Arcade [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► football without this ridiculous super [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► simulation it's going to be exactly like [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► the the the actual game that you see on [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► TV and yes you could also do things like [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► it guys really hard after the play was [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► over and knocked him unconscious and [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► that's actually how they lost their [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► license from the NFL after a while and I [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► believe they've now gotten had gotten it [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► back and there's a new version that's a [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► little more sanitized but the fun of it [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► was that it had a limited play grid you [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► could pick your place you could flip [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► mirror flip left or right of the place [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► that you wanted it was fast paced the [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► scores would be ridiculous they be you [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► know 85 280 you know or you could set it [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► like it's a two-minute quarter I mean it [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► was arcade football huge fun did not rip [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► did not resemble a wonderful perfect [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► simulation of football in anyway didn't [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► matter it was huge amounts of fun and [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► then when they have a license they use [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the real NFL players and they had an [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► obnoxious announcer and also some really [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► nice things like [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► when you have a touchdown you could just [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► take the extra point and you didn't have [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► to actually kick it [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► it was like you look you can take the [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► extra point for you if you want to go [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► for two then you can run another play [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► anyway so it is my favorite game because [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► it goes against convention [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► it was huge fun to play and and you know [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► what I don't find i bought i don't know [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► eight different Madden's over the years [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► and you know I and other sports games [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► they're kind of boring [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► I i get excited about them briefly and [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► then in the end I'm just like it's [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► really complicated and for me to get [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► super into it is going to take you know [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► it just it doesn't appeal to me in the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► same way that a game like this that's [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► simple and fun and you can just dive in [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and play it really fast and I don't care [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► that doesn't reflect reality because who [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► needs that it's better the problem with [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► the madden games is there's so much [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► reality and so much play-calling and so [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► much of it is based just on the status [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► of the various players that you barely [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► feel like you're playing the damn game [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► yeah yeah especially when your kid kicks [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► your ass haha at least they don't have [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► you like injecting the steroids into [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► your players because its freedom three [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► games if NFL blitz had continued with [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► the NFL twice they would have probably [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► had the steroid bonus which is having me [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► for I lost their license and then they [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► actually did a couple unlicensed [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► versions that that went extreme in that [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► direction and you know the appeal of [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► knocking a guy over after the play was [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► over was never the real reason you you [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► know i like that game i liked it because [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► of the simplification of it so when you [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► say arcade football you mean playing [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► arcade for you mean slapping a trackball [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► a little X's and O's that's black and [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► white X is no it's bringing in the [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► youngsters to that's what that's one [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► thing that I meant sure sure absolutely [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► uh okay that's that's the that's around [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► one in the books [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► that's a solid pick Jason good job [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► excellent work thank you might have [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► quite like NFL blitz and also NHL hitz [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► if you haven't had a chance is fairly [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► magnificent three-on-three hockey plus a [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► goalie and I think probably the best [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► thing for me about those games is the [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► code that you can enter as your starting [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► oh yeah pick amongst the three different [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► symbols and depending on what you've [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► gathered as well as you've been playing [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the game you can unlock like big head [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► mode where [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► guys are skating around with these [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► enormous head yeah you can you can have [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► mascots playing the games instead of [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► players we have also hilarious [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► yep great fun it's just it's the the [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► sport distilled down to what's actually [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► fun about the sport [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► what's the point of that it's the it's [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the reason that i am i'm sad that i sold [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► my playstation one back in the day [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► because that that was that would be [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► worth keeping it just for that because [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► that is a great that was a great game [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► but like i said i think in doing the [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► research for this I think it's actually [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► back and available as a download on xbox [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and playstation so i may go get back i [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► think there's a recent release of NFL [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► yeah this they got the license back [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► yeah after taking out the post play hits [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► but that never happened mr. sanitizing [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► it to reflect reality more accurately i [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► in in in its heyday on the PlayStation i [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► was working in a phone call and which is [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► one of the various stores that used to [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► exist before gamestop swallow them all [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► and i remember at a certain point [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► everybody had moved on from the original [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► NFL blitz to 2,000 the extent that we [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► were selling used copies of the original [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► and helpless for the PlayStation for [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► like fifteen cents [TS]

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00:38:02 ◼   ► freshbooks for helping people out with [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► accounting stuff that can drive you [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► crazy and for sponsoring the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► uncomfortable [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► ok let's go back to the top steve lets [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► you create another atari 2600 game if [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you like Greg may Greg may kill you [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that was it for my atari 2600 that well [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► I do have more on my list if we end up [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► doing a lot of games which right now it [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► looks like we probably won't have any [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► idea how long we're gonna go around i'm [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► still thinking three rounds three rounds [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► oky better distill this thing down chest [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► hair then I ok in that case i'm gonna [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► skip what was my number two pick and [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► jump right to the game that I probably [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► put more time into than any other game [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► and that is rockband I've always been a [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► huge fan of music both listening to and [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► making though when karaoke revolution [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► and later guitar hero came out they both [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► hit my sweet spot and I just I played [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► him to death then when rock band came [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► out and it had both of those elements [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► and drums the asset purchase price was [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► just a no-brainer and went on guitar [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► hero was what got me to buy a [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► playstation 2 same for me [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► wait very late in the place very late in [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► the playstation 2 the same for me I [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► picked up a ps2 slim specifically so i [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► could get guitar hero and I think what [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► makes the game so special for me and and [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► this goes back to guitar hero as well uh [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► is I think the learning curve at least [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► 44 one person play mean you start out [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► even if you play guitar for 4 20 years [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► you start out with a little plastic [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► thing feeling just unbelievably awkward [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► and barely able to get through the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► easiest songs on easy mode and then as [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► you play you become more and more [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► comfortable and you find yourself [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► graduating the harder modes and songs [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► sort of sort of naturally and that's [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► that's a great feeling i just i love [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► that as I play I'm getting better at [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► something tangible other than twiddling [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► my thumbs [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► so it's it's really fun as a solo game [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► and it feels like you're sort of [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► achieving something and and not so much [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► with the guitar but with the drums you [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► could actually learn how to play the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► drums play on this thing so it's a it's [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► really fun as a solo game but then it's [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► just downright incredible when you put [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► together a band and it's I think it's [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► the thing that's amazing about it is [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► it's an accessible enough thing playing [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► in a rock band that all sorts of [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► normally introverted people are sort of [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► drawn to it and the varying difficulty [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► modes actually make it possible for [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► anybody to get in on the action [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► so I can play with my kids or I can play [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► with my my drunken friends and family [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► events I can play with my drunken family [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► there's just a delicious something [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► transcendent about the experience of [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► four people voluntarily looking like [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► idiots while they flail away lon on [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► plastic toy instruments together if you [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► had told me that one day I would be [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► singing loudly pop songs in my living [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► room while John Syracuse and watch me i [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► would say never never ever ever ever [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► ever ever [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► and yet how what can I pay to avoid this [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► situation that I that totally happened i [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► won't be able to unsee that one and full [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► credit to John for recusing himself from [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► being involved in most of the rocket [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► engine and against but huge fun huge but [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► we have we have the with drums and [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► guitars and rock band and the beatles [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► rock band and my kids love it and yeah [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► we we play that still every you know [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► every month or two it will come out and [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► my daughter loves playing the drums and [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► I'm i prefer the base i think but just [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► it's great what it doesn't it's about [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► experiencing music I think that's [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► actually the best way to put it is that [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► it's not you're not actually playing [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► guitar but you are kind of like enjoying [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► the music and kind of your clapping [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► along [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► yeah in a way and also their songs that [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► I've heard that I played on on rock band [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► that now want to listen to them I am I [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► am far more aware of what the other [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► musicians writing the tracker doing than [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► I ever was before which is kind of cool [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► one of the great things about it is if [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► you're playing just a single instrument [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► that actually comes up in the mix so you [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► gotta hear that that's that isolated [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► track and you can get an appreciation I [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► mean not just with you know you're [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► actually being forced to follow along [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► but you could actually hear how [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► intricate the individual parts arts is [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► pretty great and I'd like to thank John [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► siracusa for not making some remarks [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► hear about the quality of my rockband [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► profound perhaps the only comment made [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► as they come but I made every time I [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► just anybody's that we're in there was a [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► whole bunch of people over there and [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► every single one of you could sing like [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► that's the thing about this year but [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► you're not really playing guitar and [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► even drums like if you're kind of [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► playing drums but not really but you're [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► really singing like this no there's no [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► getting around that the microphone and [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► it's your voice and you guys can all [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► carry doing so that's it's phenomenal [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► from the experience in my family where [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► the ratio is like one percenter well [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► Jason if we want to hear you sing we can [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► search seek out a specific podcast right [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► you have to want to hear me sing in [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► public i'm actually on podcasting in [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► public search for it might get personal [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► on your radio and you will hear me [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► saying even close to get the pic you [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► know the hits of the 80s plus Beatle [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► songs which are reading your wheel right [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► in my wheelhouse is well again we're [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► back to being an old old person being an [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► elderly man I i know dat song still [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► because my parents didn't prevent me [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► from listening to music players will [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► give me a game company you know it would [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► like to dance though it was we were [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► raised in the movie Footloose where did [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► the other cassette tape under the chin [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► brutal [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► yeah but John I was right there with you [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► because my dad didn't want us to get an [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► atari 2600 because he said and and this [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► is I he wasn't this was an employee said [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► I am afraid it will break the TV it's [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► like this video games it's gonna put [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► weird things on the TV and it's gonna [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► break the TV set I can't tell you how [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► many times my TV was almost broken by me [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► chuckling one of those joysticks at it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► so it's it's a possibility TV stuff in [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► those days though [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► oh yeah it was a tank there's no way was [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► getting a broken piece of furniture [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► it weighed like 300 pounds yeah my [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► parents they have their flat screen TV [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► sitting on top of their old tube TV [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► because if they remove the old tube TV [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► there's a giant hole on that side of the [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► room [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► so one more thing I wanted to mention [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► about rock band because i don't care if [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► it gets pointed out nearly often enough [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► is how technically impressive the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► graphics engine is in the fact that they [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► had to take basically an infinite number [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► of possible songs and then translate [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► into what looks like a real rock [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► performance is i mean that's that's a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► that's a tough task and I think they [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► pulled it off pretty amazingly i mean [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► the the guitarist's are even at least as [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► far as appearances go they look like [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► they're playing the right notes when [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► they zoom in on the hands on the [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► fretboard you can actually see him [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► moving in what looks like the right [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► sequence so it's pretty great technical [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► achievement I mean just beyond all of [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► the difficulty of you know having [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► multiple tracks going and that kind of [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► disappeared right i mean there were many [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► iterations of it for a while yeah [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► activision came up with the market [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► collapse on fake things to consider [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► problem is that Activision over [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► saturated the market with blank hero [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► games and and basically killed the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► andhra which which takes me off because [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► when these instruments deteriorate i [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► basically won't be able to get [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► replacements without going on ebay and [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► spending three hundred dollars on a [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► sticky tar i I've got a box of plastic [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► instruments that i don't i don't have [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► room for my small love god i wish i had [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► i wish i had hardees I get first time i [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► will be sad because six years after the [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► game came out just like Jason rarely a [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► month goes by when somebody in the [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► family doesn't I know start this thing [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► up there was also there's a hole after [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► market economy for that with people who [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► would buy like off-brand better versions [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► of either friend who was really into [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► actually playing the drums and he could [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► play the drums on rockband he would [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► smash his pedal over and over again and [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► that he bought like somebody made an [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► actual like metal drum pedal compatible [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► with the rock band drums so that he [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► wouldn't break it that's like those [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► flight simulator people who build an [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► actual cockpit [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► yes yeah or the racing game freak's [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► whoo-hoo build you know an actual race [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► car wasn't there like a ps2 game that [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► had like it was three hundred dollars [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► and had this enormous tank rig that came [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► with it i had that game steel battalion [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► it was for the original xbox i still [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► have it in a box in my basement because [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► I don't know what to do with it it's [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► really big [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► that's either the people who are into a [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► rock band [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► I would've bought steel battalion were [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► not spend all the money in rock band but [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► if you give me some sort of the inside [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► of a mech cockpit for 200 bucks there [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► you go [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► this was a this was a ridiculous like [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► multi parts that clicked [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► whether it had pedals it had multiple [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► choice you can buy it i guess i have it [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► um and it had it the best part it had in [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► it eject button if you did a race or [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► dying like the campaign was over and the [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► eject button was under a little plastic [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► thing to get to flip up the glowing red [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► eject button it was it was ridiculous in [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► terms of how much space it took up for a [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► single game i should also give it had a [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► mournful credit even though he's not [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► here I've never seen somebody play fake [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► drums like Dan Morgan he's a therapist [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► several having played a lot of rock band [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► with a more in there many songs I can't [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► hear you hearing dad were no wow [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► now he's part animal yeah that's [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► horrible i'm so sorry Tony [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► yeah it you know it's not all that bad [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► but it's not my kids my kids know the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► songs of the beatles because of rock [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► beatles rockband know same here thats i [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► love that place i love the fact that my [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► kids got introduced to a lot of [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► interesting songs just by virtue of the [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► fact that they were easy to play on [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► rockband yep absolutely [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► my daughter's into REM right now as a [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► matter of fact for that very reason when [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► your kids see video the beatles they [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► look those guys singing a song from the [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► video game yep those are the guys from [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the video game what's left of them [TS]

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00:49:04 ◼   ► celeste Shula i'm going to say that's [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► probably wrong see you i don't know [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► anyway ancillary justice recommended by [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► Scott McNulty read by me enjoyable in [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► banks like space opera so if you prefer [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► space opera to fantasy and heist so you [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► can go with ancillary justice if you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► like the fantasy hice lies of locke [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► lamora they're both on audible and you [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► can get that free audiobook and kick off [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► your free trial by going to audible [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► podcast.com slash uncomfortable and [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► thanks to audible for sponsoring the [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► uncomfortable [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► oh let's move on to Tony what is with [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► your pic i watched i'll choose a shadow [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► of the colossus for the playstation 2 [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► 2007 and because I thought John syracuse [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► my pic it's on my list you can you can [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► still okay good [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► shadow of the colossus is one that and [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► guitar hero or by my body playstation [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► two relatively late in the playstation 2 [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► cycle but like both of those were out [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► and I was like I'm doing this I do tend [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► to buy a lot of consoles way late into [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► the after they come out I never buy a [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► console like the first year I wait until [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► they get cheaper and until like there's [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► 10 or 15 games that are considered [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► classics that i can go and play instead [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► of having to and they fail cost twenty [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► dollars because there's no greatest hits [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► collection they all cost twenty dollars [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► yeah i mean even i bought the xbox 360 [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► lake two years after it came out and [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► when i bought it i bought like you know [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► the five best games for the 360 for like [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► twenty bucks each and it's like these [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► are you know that's going to keep me [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► busy for a year [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► shadow of the colossus was for the [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► playstation 2 it's from Team I go who [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► made iko iko home and it is for eco [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► people say a different way we can which [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► is falling down Syracuse and tells me [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► its secret island that's what it is when [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► he says that I get confused with a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► certain dolphin game is ecco ecco the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► dolphin I promise this is really what [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► I'll go not intention i'm interested in [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► exploring the problem for me is the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► peter gabriel song creeps in every time [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► i say eco yeah this is this is rich [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► material guys um let's unpack so-so [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► shadow of the colossus character from [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► the house set shadow of the colossus [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► chattering classes is really interesting [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► I would almost call a puzzle game it [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► takes place in this kind of very broad [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► open empty world and you're writing [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► about your guy riding around on a horse [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► and it kinda looks like it would be some [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► kind of adventure ii dungeon dragon [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► Zelda kind of game except there are no [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► monsters there no villages with people [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► there's just these huge colossi and [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► shadows of the classes that you seek out [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► and fight and usually the fight with [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► them is huge and it's incredibly [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► atmospheric in terms of presenting how [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► enormous these creatures are and some of [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► them are like Giants are flying things [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► or fish-like creatures or giant crawling [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► lizards and usually have to defeat them [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► in some kind of puzzle like process of [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► climbing up them and finding a glowing [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► sigil on them and stabbing it over and [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► over again after which point you start [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► to as you play this game and it's [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► basically just these these boss fights [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► with kind of intermittent you know [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► riding a class with a bleak barren [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► landscape until you get to the next one [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► starts to be this really weird effect of [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► why am i killing these creatures and [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► some of them you know some of them are [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► kind of like dragon-like or look kind of [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► fearsome but some of them look just kind [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► of you know like lumbering Giants were [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► just kind of hanging out there and [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► you're like go and find them and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► stabbing them in the back of the head as [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► you so that you can save your girlfriend [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► kind of maybe and it started it it does [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► a really great job of kind of building [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► up this kind of discomfort in you in [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► terms of why am I doing this indeed the [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► the creatures the sound of the music and [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► its really great and it's like they make [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► these huge booming noises and when you [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► stab them they really sound [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and it really kind of gets you to feel [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► like you know that there's so much in [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► video games like you just jump on [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► people's heads to you know to kill them [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► and get to the next level you start to [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► feel really kind of uncomfortable with [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► your with your actions are in this game [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► i'm really looking forward to them the [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► next game from from that team but it's [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► it's unclear when it's going to ever [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► come out [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► given that it was supposed to be for [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► playstation people I've and that didn't [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► happen one valid about this game is to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► this day some of the things I've done in [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the boss battles and if you're here to [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► subscribe like also what's a boss battle [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► some of the things I've done in that [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► game i still haven't done in any other [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► game and that's even taking into account [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► like the modern crutch of the barely [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► interactive cinematic or QuickTime event [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► where they control everything and they [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► can make it look as awesome as they want [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► even given that i still haven't done [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► things in cinematics there's cools the [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► things that I've done under my complete [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► control and shadow of the colossus that [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► it does such an amazing job of putting [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► all the wood behind the one arrow [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► fighting these big things and giving you [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► new experiences and just things that you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► have never you play video games your [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► whole life and things that you have [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► never done in a video game you'll do in [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► this game under your complete control [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► the whole time but it's just amazing it [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► really kind of up and a lot of video [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► games have this kind of teaching thing [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► where it's like you're going to do [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► something and then you're going to do [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► that a lot of times over and over again [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► to be successful and it really doesn't [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► do that right each of the bosses really [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► kind of unique and different and there [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► is you know you have to find a sigil and [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► stab it but it's not that like we're [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► going to show you how to do something [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► once and then you're gonna do it five [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► times and feel great about yourself it's [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► like no you're inexperienced each of [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► these things that kind of different and [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► new and exciting kind of way and it's [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► one of it doesn't like train you on how [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► to play the game i played through the [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► whole game and then found out later that [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► they're like their little lizards in the [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► you know in the barren wasteland that [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► you can like shoot and getting your help [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► I had no idea that never came up for me [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► while playing it made it hard because i [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► did not very much health didn't didn't [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► do enough exploring and that's the thing [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► about this game is that like the [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► exploring part like it sounds like [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► what's the point like that changes the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► game so much the fact that you have to [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► find these things and the fact that [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► you're like the sense of loneliness and [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► the trip to them makes all the [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► difference in the world versus they just [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► had this game like had a hub room with a [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► bunch of doors and you walk their dog [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► door identified totally changes the game [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► to have to go find them in their sort of [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► natural habitat and see them doing what [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► is that they do it in the game is very [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► much about moved like all the other [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► games from this developer and it really [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► really does make a difference when these [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► games that in description sounds like [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► you're not going to like it I definitely [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► didn't think i would like it because [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► after he goes like 16 boss battles and [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► stupid but it's the details applying the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► game even going up on the guy and [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► stabbing him in that spot [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► it's not like you go up up hit button to [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► step it is not like that at all it is [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► the whole game is concentrating on [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► giving you the feel of what it would be [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► like to crawl on top of warnings and [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► stabbed it and it's not just move move [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► to the spot hit the button to stab not [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► like that at all [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► I i agree with 20john that it's an [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► incredibly atmospheric game it's [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► incredibly well done but I got through [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► for colossi and had enough is that just [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► I'm not enough of the gamer it does get [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► harder it gets this like I said the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► Jason he think has this game too and I [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► said I would doubt he would never finish [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► it because it like there's 16 and it did [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► they difficulty ramps pretty heavily and [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► I most people it will leave behind [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► because if it's frustrating you don't [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► get to enjoy the experience of fighting [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► them if you have to try 800 times like [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► well now I'm not enjoying this anymore [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► you want that be to be difficult and try [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► once twice three times in one year so [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► that once you're into the double digits [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► then it's not fun anymore so everyone [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► reaches their limit i think i watch the [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► cut scenes on youtube and finishing [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► games it i think is different for [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► different people i mean i find myself I [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► i try to finish a lot of games i kind of [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► feel like I can't you know go on to the [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► next game until I kind of beat a game [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► even if i'm not super having fun with it [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► and I've you know I've kind of slog [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► through some games but as a result i buy [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► more and more games that I know are [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► shorter [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► I really appreciate the number of kind [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► of indie games or downloadable games [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► that are you know I know we're gonna be [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► like less than 10 hours whereas I know [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► other people who are like they're really [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► into the like the later final fantasies [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► and doing all the side quests which is [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► like you know that's a commitment lunges [TS]