Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hi John how are you hi Merlin I'm [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► sorry again Ruben man i hate being late [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► for things i know we were going to meet [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► at eleven eleven now it's 1125 yeah we [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► now but this podcast can be evergreen [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► anymore all right [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► oh geez I like I let a peek behind the [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► curtain didn't I yeah [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► now people realize that it's not [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► happening simultaneously here's another [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► piece here's another peek okay so a I [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► hate being late for things and I'm sorry [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► and our be computers fucking hate [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► computers [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► mhm oh boy now we're on a topic that we [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► both agree on [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► you know I I'm always late two things [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► we've talked about this many times yeah [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► that you take you nine minutes and move [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► to believe this is what makes the [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► decision makes this such a compelling [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► experience I think for our listeners [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► that people are helping is that we are [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► very different people you know and I you [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► know I mean in some ways very different [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► I'd say we were pretty different yeah I [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► mean you know are we missing anything [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► 95% the same as chimps you and I both [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► are 95% the same as chimps no I think [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► it's more than that I think it's 90 I [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► think it's 97.2 a set like a resistor or [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► is that arithmetic arithmetic was an [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► Aramaic an Aramaic scale on its air make [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► your aromatically on Eric scale where [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► 97.2 53 actually it's mixolydian oh [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► sorry i thought we're still in 15 time [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► for the fridge and a light called the [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► snake charmer time and we said hello I'm [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► ritchie blackmore it's time to reset [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► your clock that's not even funny you [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► didn't I did he talks like that the [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► American i don't think anybody talks [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► like that the only be able to talk like [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► that our community theater people who [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► are trying to do a British accent my [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► mother and I let my mother is alive [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► directed a lot of place in Rhode Island [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► you did who your mother-in-law my [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► mother-in-law has a pistol you my [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► mother-in-law that was all she is a [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► pistol is oh darling [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► oh how we never met your mother law now [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► she's back you know she's back here she [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► spent some of her time with family in [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► Florida [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► and other times with family around here [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► so actually gonna go see her tomorrow [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► which is really nice [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► yeah we do i will need all be in the [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► same place at the same time she should [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► be a guest [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► anyway you know a lot of people may not [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► know because they have a life and they [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► don't really research these things [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► science science math a lot of people [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► don't know those things [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► everybody likes politics and nobody [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► looks at civics can I just put it on a [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► card [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► oh my goodness that's a great statement [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► mt11i meet your specific spod cast god [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► damn it you're fucking right this is [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► that this is a podcast about how to be a [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► better citizen according to us and I'm a [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► little bit offended when i go on itunes [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► and it says that this is a personal [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► journal file that was my choice would [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► you rather go somewhere else it's yeah [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► civics is a civics category or education [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► religion [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► mm-hmm I'm trying know what we take that [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► up i come on out Patrick siblings [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► personal journal I don't know that that [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► just that sounds very sounds very you [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► know what was that what was that thing [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► that all the kids were doing lateral [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► livejournal that's where I learned about [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► yeah i know that's where people talk [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► about stuff I never joined a photograph [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► of you before had any idea who you were [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► you're holding snacks [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► you're not alone whoo-ha other people [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► have photographs of me because I because [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► I'm an archetype I represent a certain [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► kind of approachable cuddly bear [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► yeah yeah I got the ball and statue [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► crossing a statue and teddy bear lovable [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► statuesque teddy bear vagina dentata a [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► cross between a gazelle and a catfish [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► whoo-hoo good eatin fish I that's just a [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► guy selfish that's really more of a [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► description of a baseball wife I've seen [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► Richard got used to write about gazelle [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► fish the silvery blue gazelle fish and [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► shellfish development you know what [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► here's the point that there's an image [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► so the selfish belton that's another one [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► of those great unmade not see Jerry [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► Lewis movie about insufficient you go [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► with the making it Boeing I am [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► here's the thing what people may not [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► realize this is an audio presentation [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► but there is an image that is associated [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► with our visits the I think you've seen [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► before so it's a little logo for the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► show and you remember what that's from [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► it's a picture of you with some really [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► creepy looking glasses and meet with a [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► bad haircut looking at you and I took a [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► photograph with my feature phone to call [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► it I my flip phone in about 2,000 bone [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► 40,000 five and two photo of you and me [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► at the ucsf computer store because my [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► lady got a discount there and we want me [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► about your computer that day that's a [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► photograph of a camera taking a picture [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► of us on a screen and i took a photo of [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► it for no particular reason that was the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► early days of computers that could take [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► photographs of you [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► no no this was my fault oh yes so [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► there's getting correct tops laptops [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► that had a camera facing you might have [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► been like a security camera a webcam [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► like a copy underwear cam em because who [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► now when week so we went in there and we [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► got you a laptop a laptop computer and [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► then that was a witch i still have to [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► this thing [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► yeah this is all dead now right 10 [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► minutes till it still works with just [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► over in the corner because I got a I got [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► an ipad yeah god you like it [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► well I do like it but I don't like to [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► advertise things understand but you have [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► big if you have really big fingers [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► remember during you i do you remember [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► during the during the the nineties when [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► bands would put a piece of black [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► electrical tape over the fender logo on [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► their guitars because they didn't want [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► to be advertising you can tell that's a [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► fender [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► exactly Oh what kind of guitar is that [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► oh my life is looking up on the [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► headstock it has that headstock that's [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► literally a fucking trademark offender [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► nobody can tell [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► hey sexy jagwire i'm driving a Jaguar [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► but I put black tape over the little [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► fucking cat it's a Les Paul but a but [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► it's yeah i did my camera when you put a [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► piece of black electrical tape over the [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► word casio well I read about this and at [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► first I thought it was a douche thing [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► and then i thought was kind of smart and [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► cool and now i think it might be do you [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► think it's still kinda cool so he knows [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► it's not using shaving cream so the Viet [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► Cong can smell you that it's you know [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► what can I just say it is almost exactly [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► not really but kind of almost exactly [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► that which is I got an okay nice camera [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► like you know I don't use as much now [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that I've got the same brand of an ipad [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► entertainment I've had you know we're [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► fucking fanny pack you like such as [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► picture with an ipad i see these dad's [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► running around the playground and we're [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► fairly back right now they're like [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► they're making the world's saddest [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► independent student film [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► yeah you know what you know what sad [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► dad's hazardous helio Aristotle look [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► over here [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► shut up don't you put a piece of tape [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► over your camera so i have an ok nice [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► camera i have have a in SL are like [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► having sex from it's a trump camera [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► isn't it it's it's a camera it's Trump [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► camera my friends your innards disagree [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► i think it's more camera that I will [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► ever need my whole life because my old [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► camera that i loved like that stolen [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► about this one a couple years ago for my [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► birthday party for myself so anyway it's [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► it says it says that it's a it doesn't [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► matter if it's a canon because only you [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► know the fantasies nikon's so that [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► matter but the front of it has the word [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► cannon on it in a number of whitish [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► things okay how about this [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► erotic next thing you know I know you [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► know this we decide pretty sure to [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► discuss this [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► you know about the style of camouflage [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► that they would paint onto I don't get [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► the terminology wrong with warships that [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► the American team it's an incredibly [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► disorienting right [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► can you describe because it's very [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► angular and it makes it very don't spoil [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► the ending but it's a very difficult [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► from a distance to see what kind of ship [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► it is and if their in-group potentially [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► how many there are right right yeah it's [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► gray and white and like very very very [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► diffused colors and giant trapezoids [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► painted on the sides of these ships you [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► know it's like okay I'm up like a [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► Mondrian pain i'm just going to say but [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► with some weird diagonals thrown in [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► there you'd never expect them it's a [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► little bit like when somebody tries to [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► make an extra key in real life you know [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► what I mean you ever see this kind of [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► things really sad [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► we don't want to expect a battleship [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► mondrian get them true [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► our primary weapon on dreams about it i [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► think it already know all modern art is [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► overrated i went to that that Los [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► Angeles a mocha mocha museum of modern [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► art moma mobile app moma i went to it [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► and I walked around and you know and [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► there's they got the jazz [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► pajamas and they got there this is in [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► the bats and I message on true true two [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► flags online on would come on flags on a [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► lot of flags on plywood but all it's you [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► know it's a museum of modern art they [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► had they had had one of everybody and I [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► know that as a as a cultured person as a [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► public intellectual I'm supposed to be [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► what really a public figure as a public [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► figure but we're not just a public [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► figure main lady gaga's a public figure [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► I'm a public intellectual can i find [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► modern art to be a thought crime [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► ok just really quickly I I'm gonna put [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► that over here in the very very special [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► power to just get this out of the way [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► because it's not that interesting and [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► want to be done with it [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► I heard that one good way to keep your [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► camera from being strike quickly [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► stealable this is going to sound crazy [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► it's like the battleships there you take [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► some gaffers tape [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► yeah which unlike duct tape is that you [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► know a matt tape and it's not as like [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► you know sparingly permanent you just [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► take a little bit to this tape and you [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► put it over the logo but you also put it [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► over any like non-black piece of the [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► front of your camera that will happen [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► this sounds crazy but I swear to god [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► it's like the battleships if you saw me [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► across the room and I don't have a strap [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► also because I roll it just looks like a [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► piece of junk camera made out of tape it [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► doesn't take a camera doesn't here's the [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► thing John this is the thing about is [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► the compassion it doesn't read as a [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► camera what you situate Cameron s an SLR [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► so much by that logo with a flash thing [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► could be no I mean and this little I'm [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► telling you so it just looks like a [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► black pop cam that you're holding up [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► here you really look carefully at it you [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► would see it's a camera but does not [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► stick out like these idiots downtown [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► with a little fucking cameras with the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► plastic lenses on and i'll get a decent [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► interesting so and that's why I did that [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► but now here's the other thing that's [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► cool about that if you are going to try [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► and be take photos on the sly guy is [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► usually a dick like you are much too [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► unlike upskirt photos and now I know [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► yeah I my mom always used to tell me [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► she's to worry about mirrors and she's [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► never heard of mirrors on shoes that's [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► all that's all technology it's all it's [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► all iphones up the skirt and everything [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► is that fiber now I have a good friend [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► that I caught some guy taking a picture [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► of his girlfriend skirt in in a costco [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► and he beat the shit out of the guy [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► right now Hosko yeah yeah yeah just like [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► because he was walking he was you know [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► he was 15 feet behind or whatever and [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► his lady was up ahead [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► this guy's swoops in and with the phone [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► like up the skirt and it and my buddy [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► just did a flying like a flying tackle [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► react like this guy right out and and [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► then big big brawl in the costco in the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and that the creep was trying to break [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► his phone and she's it was a whole whole [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► to do well without value pack of punches [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► yeah it's one of my it's one of the [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► great strategy and then seemed to seem [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► to like arm will be like really dirty [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► things for their own sake [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► it strikes me they're like dirty just [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► dirtiness as a thing and it seems like [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► the upskirt thing is maybe they're just [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► the largest producers of this may be [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► subtracted that they have they are very [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► comfortable with fetishizing a youth [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► young people [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► yes the school girl uniforms yeah and so [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► the upskirt photo is this i think is a [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► side is an adjunct of the like little [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► girl sort of panty fetishism who that is [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► so popular in Asia just part of the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► dirty things though is I'm really not [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► supposed to have this you can't just [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► walk out and go with like you know [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► heiser vending machine working blah baby [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► you can't say things like that but you [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► can like buy panties from a machine is a [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► correct if you heard this you can by [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► panties well you know here in America [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► you can get pennies online you can buy [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► used panties online using your computer [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► using a computer they will come up [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► thanks sure you can next day air i had [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► someone offer to buy my shoes once now [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► cut me off guard yeah you know the the [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► guitar player the presidents of the USA [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► his shoes are it is his old shoes that [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► he spray-painted gold are at the EMP [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► they're one of the displays that you you [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► pay $25 to go walk around and look at it [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► it's like that Paul Island pay to [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► acquire this you know when that when [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► they were first opening the EMP it [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► seemed like they had billions of dollars [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► who well they did have billions of [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► dollars but the but what it seems like [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► at the time was that the grunge movement [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► was going to be just as famous and earth [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► shattering as every rock movement that [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► had come before it right and so here was [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► here was an opportunity for people to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► buy basically to buy Elvis's shoes right [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► if you could go back in time and bye bye [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► Elvis shoes [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► by jimi hendrix's shirt like a broken [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► strap from those guys for you know you [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► for 25 bucks or whatever again do it and [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► so it was it was a little too soon after [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► the grunge years and all these guys were [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► still standing around a lot of them [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► didn't have any money anymore and they [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► opened up this rocket museum and [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► goodwill guys just get out lately wanna [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► you wanna buy my works think that they [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► said well it's not that they showed up [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► its like the EMP sent 50 people out into [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► the city like going knocking on [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► practice-based doors and saying hey you [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► guys got any can we buy your old guitar [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► your broken guitar that's over there in [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the corner you know you look over and [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► there's some $25 three-story target sure [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► about that tube screamer it doesn't work [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► I don't 2,000 bucks you know and they [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► were just throwing it down so the EMP [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► has a mute as a huge warehouse full of [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► all this crap that belongs to these [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► also-ran bands that this kind of itself [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► it sounds like a sad good but it's [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► incredible it's I mean it's truly [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► amazing like they bought Soundgarden's [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► van therefore therefore old ford van is [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► it interesting [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► not at all know what that would sound [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► garden should have done and in any other [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► situation would have done is sold that [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► van for five hundred dollars to some [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► fledgling band who drove it until it and [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► caught on fire and then it would be sent [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► to the crusher who and they would [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► survive only in photographs and and that [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► is how history is made but but in fact [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► this van is preserved hit in a [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► hermetically-sealed warehouse somewhere [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► in seattle on the off-chance who that 45 [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► years from now somebody's like oh man [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► Soundgarden's van it's worth of Fort i'm [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► just imagining the docents work there [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► who probably a very thin bones and large [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► glasses and have to walk by and go you [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► know this is pretty much blue man and [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► van but we're pretty sure can fail [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► meeting here at one point that's yeah [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► that's all we know that it's not it's [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► you know I don't think it may be too [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► early to say but i'm i'm going to say [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► that it's but it's never going to be [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► Elvis's shoes you know what I mean no [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► totally and you know part of this now [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► you're [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► you know how markets work right i mean [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► it's it's beyond supply and demand its [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► you know it the whole diamond racket the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► way that works is that they deliberately [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► produce only so many to keep it kind of [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► scarce right so in this case you're not [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► even trying to make scarcely had [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► diamonds you're making scarcely out of [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► like Kleenex boxes right now and I think [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► when hard times coming to someone i just [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► read about somewhat some museum just [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► acquire something really squirrely and I [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► forget what it is but you know the thing [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► is if you fall on hard times it becomes [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► like like trading trading pogs a [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► pokémon's 45 Boggs it's like training [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► training pokémon's no fucking line is I [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► know it's a card game with angles to try [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► him on that strain it so no it's like [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► beanie babies people invested a lot of [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► money and just like the tulips exactly [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► beanie babies and then it got so big it [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► was like the tulips everybody was buying [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► and I wouldn't know who I went to I went [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► to I one of these a state sales one time [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► and walking through this house and in [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► the back of the house there's an entire [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► bedroom just full of beanie babies like [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► they've built rat they built the giant [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► industrial strength shelves and bins and [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► bins and bins of beanie babies [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► oh my god it's way over there nicely [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► displayed or was it just dawned on me [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► that it was it was a it was clearly a [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► hoard it was less a collection of marble [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► horde and these people because it was an [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► estate sale obviously they were old [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► mhm and they had hoarded these beanie [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► babies thinking that that they were [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► going to be worth a ton of money you [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► know this was their retirement this this [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► room there were 10,000 beanie babies in [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► another phrase a sunk cost fallacy you [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► ever heard the term and these [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► enlightened expand point you keep [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► sending me these books about economics [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► and what what what what wait a minute [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► wait a minute [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► not what but you know no I'm like the [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► opposite of that guy now now I'm [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► suspicious of that guy the tipping point [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► oh you were you were higher you are an [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► evangelist just hang on one minute right [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► you know what I want to get back to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► public intellectuals and RG know there's [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► only one place in America where diamonds [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► turns out of that's my phrase that sums [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► up everything I fucking hate about this [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► stuff is some guy gets up there turns [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► out and like he's like he's discovered [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► something amazing like you know any [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► colors you want builders matter the TED [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► Talks all brother i'ma tell you start [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► i'm gonna tell you I can tell right now [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► that you are mad at TED talk i'm gonna [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► tell you a funny story i can tell you on [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► the program but it's it's it's pretty [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► fun here's the thing now [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► yes you are correct i do the right ask [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► you to do at dog know they have it and [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► Hodgman kept kept saying he was going to [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► try and get me in there he never did you [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► know I you know I would do that for him [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► you know well it's harder than it looks [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► your people in there because you know [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► it's all deranged billions in there is [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► good point it's a good point you know I [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► now people like they go to the Ted [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► what's the other ones that was a big do [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► she won the in like Switzerland the data [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► so davos Christ they'll let anybody in [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► yeah you know a friend of mine a friend [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► of my want to ask a question one time at [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► Ted and it was actually really smart and [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► make stuff she's like we wanted to ask [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► you wanted to ask questions when she did [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► it was during like a time when people [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► could make remarks about something and [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► she totally cock-blocked by cameron diaz [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► ah her question this is my friend who's [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► made a company that makes products i [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► used to use on your site for example [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► like she made something really important [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► and like she and she got caught for [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► Cameron Diaz to get up there and I don't [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► know maybe I'm not a fan of caribbean we [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► talked about this is a problematic [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► um anyway about the diamonds you can't [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► the problem is i think when your Museum [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► falls on hard times or even if you're [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► just trying to get a new prague you can [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► do things like trades like assuming that [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► you don't have a bunch of Nazi art [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► somebody wants back you've got things [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► and you hold it like if you've got to [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► say what you will about any more [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► hallways kids kind of interesting [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► project you know if you've got you [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► discover you think if we used to scratch [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► off some paint you discover you got a [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► van Gogh or something to hang onto that [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► you traded i'm just saying i don't think [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► i don't think that much currency in the [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► beanie babies of the grunge era that's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► not gonna that's like I retain their [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► value [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► no but you know I was honestly I feel [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► that way about about all modern art [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► ok let's go look [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► but for now where can I just be clear [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► contemporary or modern art where's your [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► line for this [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► oh yeah i'm going to say any are made [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► after tonight [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► tee hee ok mm I don't know what I'm a [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► fan of Jackson Pollock i will say is [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► just one information question and this [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► is not in any way to guide the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► discussion as you know but give any [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► fucking idea what you're talking about [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► or just be prepared to not along as you [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► talk out of your ass [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► you know I got into a huge argument at [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► the University of Waterloo every answer [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► everything which is that you know if you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► go to if you go around Europe there are [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► there are there are monuments to world [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► war two all all around Europe and as you [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► can imagine and there and it's not just [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► burned buildings and destroyed churches [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► there monuments that artists have made [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► and there are monuments to world war one [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► also all over your in Flanders Fields [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► they're very into that in Canada they [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► are and where you are please [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► the the monuments to world war one are [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► invariably a very tall obelisks that [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► have a a bunch of figures arrayed around [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► the base i generally some some guys that [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► heroically holding up their bayonets or [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► some you know some nurses tending to the [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► wounded maybe a at the big monuments [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► have like some horses on them some guys [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► maybe somebody's holding a holding their [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► rifle aloft you know they're like [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► monuments that have been made to war for [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► a thousand years because there's [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► somebody in a tri-corner hat holding his [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► sword up and an obelisk and it says to [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► our glorious yourself you're honoring [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► your honoring the sacrifice in a very [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► dignified way of these people who ya now [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► in general world war two monuments [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► around Europe and in America tend to be [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► a giant stone doughnut on some kind of [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► ellipse and with with no words on it or [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► if there are some words on it you know [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► it's it's some like up something obscure [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► in Latin and uh and and this doughnut [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► the stone donut [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► or a stone egg uh it became this motif [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► for world war two monuments because [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► because the the world's mind had been [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► infected with the with a the plague of [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► modern art and it was thought that this [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► doughnut better represented the [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► sacrifice of however 40 million people [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► died in the war that it was so that was [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► such an incredible war and there were [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► some so many lives lost that we could [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► not represent those lives figuratively [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► the only thing that made this large [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► grant-in-aid the only thing they could [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► do it [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► the only thing that could capture our [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► imagination was this was a giant donut [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► and and holocaust monuments are even [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► worse because it's it's even more [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► inconceivable know what happened in the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► Holocaust right and so the donut is even [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► more like generally a holocaust monument [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► is a fracture donut right a donut that's [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► been that's like kind of crack in it but [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► it could be in that case you're moving [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► into a more heavy-handed kind of [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► abstract nonsense right exactly its [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► abstract nonsense but they couldn't [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► really let the abstraction live on its [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► own and so they had to put a crack in it [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► because then they had a little bit a [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► little bit of actual realistic symbol is [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► a minute and i want you around walking [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► around Europe all these years I came [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► back to the University of Washington was [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► like I was in some seminar and I stood [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► up and he said modern artists crap at [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► all all modern artists crap and as [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► exhibit a I submit this slideshow of [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► world war two Holocaust donuts that haha [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► I find personally offensive I find that [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► you're not they do not symbolize the war [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► they do not honor the dead this is not a [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► bagel [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► oh that's a terrible thing to say no I'm [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► i'm pretty sure it's not a fractured [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► bagel [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► ah yeah okay so then you get to Vietnam [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► and what did they get they got like what [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► is a big letter V I gotta they got a [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► black letter V in a lawn but at least it [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► has names on now see how do you feel [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► about letters and words I i think you [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► know i think this started with fucking [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► Philadelphia and the big love sculpture [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► people fell back in love with words [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► there's a phrase i try to avoid actually [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► used in about words as art well words as [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► way to basically provide a giant [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► footnotes what the fucking thing means [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► did you get if you better if you get a [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► guy not a pietà exactly but the the war [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► version of a PHR one pietà you get like [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► a guy in one of those identifiable will [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► work one helmets like holding up holding [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► his body as he dies right that's [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► incredibly fucking moving can be if it's [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► sculpted well and it does not need in in [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► like giant times new roman have to say [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► sacrifice on it [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► oh right exactly well that is the [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► problem with world war one monument is [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► that they that they actually go around [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► and every panel says loyalty or finality [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► and what war one you say well yeah but I [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► mean all those I mean all called a [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► figurative art you know how reluctant to [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► talk about the Holocaust but i'm going [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► to send you a link here in the robot and [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► this is this is actually you know i can [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► write this down come back to this phrase [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► the exception that proves the rule [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► because i think that might not make any [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► this is I assume some exception that [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► proves some rule this is a place that [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► I've been in Miami that is really moving [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► and incredibly fucking scary and freaky [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► em are you there [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► everything okay so this is called the [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► holocaust memorial of the Greater Miami [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► Jewish Federation and it is it's it's [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► weirdly well done and it is super duper [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► creepy [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► so you can see the primary figure is a i [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► don't know how many feet would you say [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► probably about a 30-foot high 31 high [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► human hand without all around and the [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► arm is like from the wrist to what would [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► be the elbow is is just all like [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► desperate skinny people clinging it [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► would you say that's pretty horrific i [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► mean there it gets it gets to the flavor [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► gets the flavor but then there's also [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► like these frozen figures they're almost [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► like Pompeii now I don't know that it's [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► so emotional that like I can see why you [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► would do that they're it but I mean in [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► that case I mean that's this gives you a [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► it don't you say obstructing an abstract [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► way but that's very emotionally [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► compelling what I worry about is going [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► away that donors not no absolutely not i [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► mean you know eatin you [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► I'm just saying like if you get too [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► abstract with this stuff and you get in [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► you get into the donuts and in the eggs [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► and the v's I don't know he had a water [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► feature [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► I mean oh yeah water feature is nice do [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► you like water features [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► well water feature reflects the donut in [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► the sky and it causes you to really [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► really think about it [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► oh I don't know what's causing it to [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► reflect and think about it then you see [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► it reflected in the pool and you're like [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► oh right yeah even washington DC yes um [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► i have been to Washington DC [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► well you're always fucking talking about [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► the Baltics in Romania I've been all 56 [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► sounds like I've been to every [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► metropolitan area outer banks now I get [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► I am never we're married me and my [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► little dog drove around in my camper [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► truck and saw everything in America it [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► sounds like an NBC show from 1978 I am [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► Charles Kuralt now like I'll well-known [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► dog's name was like fluffy or keep it [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► was a call a Roderick and the dog i have [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► been the jet truck [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► I've been everywhere man button and say [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► Claire man you know that he is from [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► Canada who tanks know the man who wrote [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► I think wrote and sings that song and [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► you know a lot of great importance of [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► Canada some of our best Americans are [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► actually from can be very surprising [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► news from Canada's Sloan the band [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► Sloan's from Canada is there a lot of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► great Americans from from canada and I [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► you know when I meet someone from Canada [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► I don't hold it against them because not [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► immediately could be they could be a [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► great American for all I know [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► yeah the money didn't take a look a [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► sense i'm going to get money when you [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► know what I like the coin so i have to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► tell you I like a tuning i like i like a [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► coin [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► here's what I used to love about [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► canadian money it was a it was super [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► cheap and your dude first time i was [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► there is a dollar it was one dollar 66 [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► American to up to a loony and here's [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► what I hate about commit a canadian [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► money now it is super cheap it's just if [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► it feels really fucked up that they're [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► doing as well as us to really be wrong [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► super depressant they're nice people [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► though they're super nice people [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► here's the reason i asked like there are [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► a lot of serial killers up there no [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► really yeah you didn't know about those [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► two guys in vancouver that owned a pig [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► farm and they and they a little lady pig [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► doing lady take stuff [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► no no it wasn't lady pigs they would [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► have big parties out of their big farm [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► where they invite all the prostitutes [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► from Vancouver and then they would do [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► bad things and serial killers too and [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► they would kill these girls and then [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► feed them to the pigs and then I [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► interpretation british columbia [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► yeah it was in vancouver yeah and then [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► they would sell the bacon back to this [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► to the to the undisciplined just watch [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► your movie there's no way that is real [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► yeah that they like the unknowing [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► citizens of vancouver we're eating their [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► met because you know and canada of [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► course they have seven flavors of bacon [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► all the vacancy at a hooker bacon [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► well this is hooker bacon they had a [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► little they're selling hooker bacon to [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► him for four years because because that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► because prostitutes were disappearing [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► off the streets of Vancouver for years [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► because it seemed like once you saw like [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► me go into a van and not come back like [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► you would think twice about going into a [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► van with a bunch foot and all these [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► creeps and these guys were creeps too [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► they were you can just look at you they [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► were creeps but they would have these [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► huge parties these huge like prostitute [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► parties prostitute junkie parties out of [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► their pictures it started out fun [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► oh I think for a lot of people it was [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► all it was always fun but so so one [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► person doesn't make it back [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► oh I get it you're just ok so I'm sorry [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► I apologize i thought it was like [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► punctually I thought they came into some [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► shoot because they thought it was a [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► party they dropped a tiger trap and they [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► end up in some hooker bacon you're [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► saying that a lot of times you're going [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► to have fun you bring your friends back [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► it's a pyramid scheme [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► yeah right you're like oh man there's [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► always dollies drugs and there's lots of [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► hookers and we got to this big farm and [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► it's a blast and then everybody else [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► goes home except for one hooker make it [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► back and then each time but nobody ever [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► puts it together because in vancouver [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► they were adopting a policy of let's [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► pretend that hookers don't exist so [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► that's not good now for a long time they [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► had that policy now I think they have [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► the whole like oh we're watching [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► Barker's now because we lost this is [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► awful you know what you're not making [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► stop no no it's terrible it wasn't very [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► long ago and the thing and and and you [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► know the northwest likes to produce [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► serial killers and so these guys in [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► Vancouver and the Green River Killer [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► were operating somewhat there what was a [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► ton of overlap but they were both out [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► roaming around at the same time and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► there's there's some question about [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► whether there was ever whether they knew [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► each other a minute I don't know that's [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► exactly what it says that guy storm a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► stereo just that we've got better [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► reporting tools i want this doesn't seem [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► like we go through times where suddenly [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► like you know for example turns out [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► supposedly there's a lot fewer child [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► abductions today than there were in the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► forties per capita it's just that it's [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► heavily like over-reported I don't know [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► if that's accurate but in this case it [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► seems like we had a real Golden Age of [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► brutal serial killers in the last like [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► 60 years when was that game see the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► fifties sixties yeah fifties I think you [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► know I used to read games car you see [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► gains car was abandoned by a TMP what [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► would it take to know that Paul Island [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► has finally gone too far [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► it's the incidence rate music project [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► and science fiction museum and serial [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► killer warehouse he wants something like [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► the motor museum but like much more [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► personal something Willie I I wonder [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► about this about the the weather whether [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► there were always I mean clearly there [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► were always serial killers and mass [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► murderers right but whether or not I [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► kind of think that in a mean Jack the [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► Ripper being one example he was very [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► public but if you owned a pig farm in [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► 1805 and you were abducting hookers [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► which obviously their workers in 1805 [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► because it is the oldest profession pig [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► farming no hookers okay um you could [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► always go find hookers and there were [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► always big farm and the temptation is [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► always there probably well well no I'm [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► just saying like you you have a lot to [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► take care of on a pig farm you have [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► slopping in the slapping of watering you [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► already were talking about the on the on [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► the bell curve of human being and [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► farmers farmers are busy they got a lot [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► to do they don't have time to run into [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► town and get people magazine they got a [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► really think it through they gotta have [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► something could have lunch and I'm just [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► saying I don't want I don't want to be a [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► an insensitive here but I'm just saying [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► if you can improve your bottom line by [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► throwing some sex workers in your meat [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► I mean I would never do that oh yes when [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► you're saying that that some of their [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► motivation might be that it was cheap [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► pig food and I never say anything [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► agrarian I don't know much about it [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► I'm yeah i think it was much more than I [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► think it was what boo i think that [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► feeding it to the pigs was an [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► afterthought they did that on Deadwood [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► you know what's weird about this i'm [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► reading about Robert just right for our [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► listeners who don't have the internet [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► it's robert pickton also known as the [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► pig farmer killer and he's a he's a [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► farmer killer [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► I sure got that pretty close tonight [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► yeah I think that's a on but there's a [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► big black album and so he's 62 now he's [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► a he stole he's still doing fine he's in [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► for life but here's what's interesting [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► is number of victims six 249 that's [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► making such a big surprise 62-49 is a [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► big fucking spread it could be still be [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► some bacon out there that is fucked up [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► that is so fucked up [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► oh but I don't see I don't know I don't [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► know much about the eighteen-hundreds [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► yeah and and farmers in general today [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► starts to farming seems very scientific [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► you know but back then you know I think [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► for a lot more of yourself into it and [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► potentially a prostitute's well this is [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► the thing that they did in the old days [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► like you would have you eat it clear [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► hundred acres right and then you'd have [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► you have a three sons and one of them [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► you'd send in the art well let's say you [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► had five sons one of you send the army [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► level in one of somebody's going to a [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► couple we're gonna die right [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► sure one of them is that the gay one is [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► going to become a priest and and then [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► you've got a couple sons and so you had [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► a hundred acres now you have to give [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► each Sun 50 acres and that you know the [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► daughters like who knows what happens to [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► them they marry somebody sticks in the [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► possible way [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► yeah so then you two sons have 50 acres [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► then those guys have five sons and they [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► send the gay ones into the ministry and [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► the and 12 the army and but eventually [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► the their farms get split up and that [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► pretty soon everybody's got 20 acres and [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► then everybody's got five acres [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► hmm you know a 45 generations down the [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► road everybody's trying to make a living [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► off of these these little little cut up [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► little teeny farms [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► and and and that's kind of that that's [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► the portland oregon model right if you [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► had five acres in portland oregon you'd [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► be the king of the town because you'd be [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► making artisanal pigs and you'd be [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► feeding them artisanal prostitutes or [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► whatever it is that happens down there [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► small-batch they call it but a small [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► batch right small-batch sex workers [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► oh ok first term is sex for sex worker [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► but so then industrialized farming came [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► in and they animate and they took all [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► these farms they bought all cheap huh [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► and they they took all the fences down [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► and then they just had have robots [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► making food now almost the car goes from [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► India can't really call you literally [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► call them in bangalore it's much more [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► expensive to fly them over and feeding [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► pigs that is my voice which I voice over [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► IP which helps a lot [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► I can talk to the pigs and my name is [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► Sandra I'm enjoying volleyball uh hook [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► of bacon and here's the thing i want to [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► go in two directions if I'm a John I [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► want to get back to this up your art [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► problem if we don't pass on to move past [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► that trick sugar i'll talk about [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► whatever thoughtcrime modern art is all [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► day [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► I mean I know I'm just antagonizing [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► people but that's really one of my [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► favorite things to do [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► well I don't want to talk about this [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► diamond mine in Arkansas though you have [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► me thinking about diamonds I don't know [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► anything about the Arkansas has got a [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► time in mind well that's the only place [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► in America where there's a diamond mind [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► it's in Arkansas and you can actually go [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► there and sift through the rocks [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► yourself like like like you go to the [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► museum and look for geodes yeah where [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► you go pan for gold in the Yukon at the [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► pan for gold museum but you can go to [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► this Arkansas diamond mines the people [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► are represented by numeral for 10 for [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► gold pan for gold [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► Pat dig for diamonds but apparently some [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► very recently some guy discovered a six [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► carat yellow diamond 6 carats is a lot [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► of carrots [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► yeah at this like at this a search [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► search for yourself a diamond mine in [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► Arkansas what characters like Joe get to [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► pick your own apples kind of shit and he [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► finds expression six carat diamond I [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► think so [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► holy shit that really changes the whole [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► revenue model it's not about selling [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► t-shirts and marmalade anymore you're [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► going to some fucking Rock [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► I'm thinking every tour I do from now on [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► we're gonna wrap [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► through Arkansas and spend a day at the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► at the diamond mine they're trying to [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► pay for the whole pay for the record you [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► know you could probably run some basic [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► figures you could do a microsoft [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► microsoft excel the computer thing you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► could probably figure out like what what [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► the chances are shoma canceled the gala [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► cigar in the backbone of hundred-dollar [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► bills might try and fuck you you're [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► you're gonna have to balance that [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► happens in the entertainment business [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► you know if you seems to me you have a [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► very small band people keep quitting but [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► if you got enough people if you got like [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► what like Donkey you got one of those [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► like 10 person bands or you know like [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► what was the one with the Andrew Berg I [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► remember that the red band they were [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► good you see them for the cauldron hot [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► chili peppers or together they were they [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► were really good the village school in [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► the strippers will never fucking great [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► man down here about to hear a thing [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► about diamond mining if you have a [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► 10-person band you literally need to [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► mine diamonds [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► oh I don't keep everybody in macro you [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► know how people smoke is this is this is [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► why you look at people like Billy Bragg [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► and jonathan coulton you go that that's [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► why those guys have so much demo rides [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► right they're going to get our backline [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► you go in there and there's already [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► stuff that got a PA you can plug right [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► in [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► Billy Bragg last time I saw me is find a [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► white helicopter but they don't take [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► white helicopter why doctor was it like [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► a when you play my red-eyes copter [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► iphone branded but why now look after ya [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► yeah because you know is is he's raking [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► it in he's making the making the big [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► dollars if you see if you sing if you [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► sing songs about socialism long enough [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► you're gonna make some serious coin [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► I forget to put up three albums or three [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► books before you make serious money or [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► three so well about social three out [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► here before you hand books about [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► something very right that you're rolling [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► in the dough and then Johnny Marr starts [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► calling nothing wrong with that [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► well I don't you contrast that with the [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► arcade fire everybody thinks all these [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► guys are making a ton of cash but [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► there's 50 people on stage to literally [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► begging not to mention them again they [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► have to pay for the hurdy-gurdy tuner [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► they have to pay for the other going to [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► get their their helmets tuned for the [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► dragon gonna get a helmet tuner by the [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► time it's all done those people are [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► making like 15 gravy reach out the math [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► on this [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► don't don't get me on the steve albini 6 [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► carats is 1.2 grams [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► it's about it's a just about the half [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the mass of a penny but environment [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► terms that's pretty big you put that on [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► a ring [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► oh you're not gonna do dishes in that [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► that's a fucking big we can have a six [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► carat ring [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► ok you can have a six carat ring all [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► those baseball wives that look like half [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► gazelles have catfish have them at the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► French manicures [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's how you know that's how [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► you tell the baseball wife six carat [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► diamond ring [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► uh-huh yeah that's a lot of carrots ok [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► so anyway and Arkansas so they thought [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► this is going to be a jokey diamond dust [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► industrials most times we used in [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► industry because you can't get full one [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► right using for nail files and stuff [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► yeah you're using for for those big [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► underground tunneling machines that make [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► the channel for instance the big nose [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► big like screws in a cartoon [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► yeah the big the big screw in a cartoon [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► that's digging under that's digging [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► through the the wall of the underground [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► bank my grandfather comes from time in [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► no really he's from a diamond people [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► british guiana you grew up like he grew [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► up like within within kool-aid throwing [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► distance between the flavor of James [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► down what would become genistein he's [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► from ya bridge gamma his family and the [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► colonists from London my grandfather is [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► English about that was in British kannur [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► wow yeah what an unusual place to go [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► what an unusually malaria her own place [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► to to go from right now the diamond [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► thing can be very attractive i mean [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► people are gonna go to Arkansas just for [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► BBQ or whatever you know what I mean in [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► this case he came to Ohio to learn to be [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► a dentist with that which i think sounds [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► like a front [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► doesn't that sound a little bit like [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► cover up to come to Ohio to be attempted [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► you're gonna come to from a warm climate [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► he never liked being in Cincinnati he [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► was unhappy until you move back to [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► Florida the year i was born strangely [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► not pretty weird timing so he came from [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► british guiana to Ohio to become a [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► dentist is born in 1901 and he moved and [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► say about he's just a little under 30 [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► help me and he moved to Cincinnati to [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► learn to become a dentist he never [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► became a dentist [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► well you know it's like that maybe maybe [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► he was an elf and and Santa said you're [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► going to make toys and he was like I [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► don't want to make toys I want to be a [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► dentist an analogy always-on hermie [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► hermie I link right one and guitarist [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► books that i love Yukon Cornelius so [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► much the the thing about [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► ohio in 1920 is the president of the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► most of the indian wars were were done [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► it was a good time to be a dentist you [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► know they caught up with what later they [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► called the Queen City but for a long [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► time was poor accomplice because of the [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► number of pigs pic pic butchery this [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► writer was a big town big pigs [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► well you gotta wonder what they were [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► feeding those pig I didn't want to draw [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► that line to thank you [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► you know Cincinnati they put they put [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► cinnamon in their chili know they sure [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► do buddy [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► yeah it's good stuff but yeah youyou [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► everyone ever week I've never made this [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► naturally for you have i oh you make [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► cincinnati chili my mom's got an [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► airtight recipe yeah yeah it's that [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► skyline what's the other one the other [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► bar in town my ticket [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► yeah you should you know I don't accept [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► this particular going to come down you [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► make me some Cincinnati styles chillin I [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► got a whole plan for us to do something [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► I haven't told you about if I got a plan [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► no I'm gonna take the show around and [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► told you about that yet boy who I like [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► to go on the road you know this week I'm [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► driving down to the salt and see you [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► I think this is another one here made it [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► can kind of see every term here earlier [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► intellectual LARPing is there any chance [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► that a lot of what you're doing is like [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► if you meet people who are poor dear n [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► fairs or do like I look at me I'm I'm in [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► the Army of the Potomac and you like [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► they're not like they don't see them [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► actually really believe that their [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► Gettysburg they're just so just happy [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► just heavy and have authentic buttons [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► you know you don't have been to college [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► o P out of period they call it being out [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► you don't want the wrong but you know [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► what's wrong mustache so that's one of [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► the things that i hate about those [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► things wrong mustache when I when I see [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► when I see some reenactors and some guys [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► got the wrong mustache like that's not [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► the mustache they had because the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► training issues [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► yeah right you can't just like you can't [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► just Rock any mustache [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► you can't just wear your like steampunk [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► mustache to a civil war reenactment [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► that's not how things are done it was it [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► is unnecessary brass yeah just your [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► looks like oh sure you're mr. curl your [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► mustache up or whatever but but there [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► was no there was none of that them [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► grouping this is a droopy mustache event [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► i have read a lot about this but it's my [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► understanding that that stuff that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► there's a lot of [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► more authenticity than now going on [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► there's a lot of a lot it's a lot like [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► being at an independent record store [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► camera shop for a comic shop and let's [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► be honest a lot of comic shop it's like [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► it's like a comic shop of the tricorn [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► hat basically yeah but there's a lot of [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► like know your buttons are not aesthetic [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► you wouldn't have a zipper down to fleas [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► John I've heard that some people will [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► get fleas because they're guy would have [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► had fleas but speaking as someone who [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► has some not small experience with fleas [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► you're not you're not immune to please i [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► can set know i can say that is a really [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► stupid thing to do not give yourself [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► fleet you're not going to get a statue [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► buddy you're not gonna hear it and then [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► we're gonna do you think they have [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► make-believe memorials for people who [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► make believe died here here's here's the [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► numbers down that you don't you're [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► reflecting pool as always the number one [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► problem with civil war reenactments how [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► many how many graduate i have for this [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► there are a lot of bling whatever number [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► one problem with civil war reenactments [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► please complete problems Civil War [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► reenactments is that 99% of the soldiers [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► and civil war were 17 to 20 and [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► ninety-nine percent of Civil War [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► reenactors are 55 to 60 65 so you look [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► at your reenactment and there's all [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► these battle guys dressed like privates [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► marching you know like sweat profusely [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► sweating in the Tennessee summer [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► marching over to reenact this battle and [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► it's like there's not one single one of [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► you that looks like a civil war fighter [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► right pictures skinny tennis skinny [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► seventeen-year-old Tennesseans now are [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► all wearing white baseball caps on [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► backwards and they're trying to find the [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► nearest juggalo encampment haha they are [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► not reacting the civil war and that it [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► you know that's what you need basically [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► these federal guys should get their sons [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► like actually happened in the civil war [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► they should force there Suns to reenact [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► ok I i think i understand you're saying [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► there's something much deeper I don't [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► care about your fucking buttons or [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► dysentery [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► there's a deeper problem which is [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► there's no fucking way you would die the [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► first week now what you need to do is go [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► get your kid and compel make your kid [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► you're saying you stay back on the big [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► four [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► arm and make your kid who has both arms [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► you he joins the army of the potomac [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► right he joins the fake Army of the [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► Potomac wasn't killing gets killed by [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► General Sherman's army that's right and [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► and and that would be a true civil war [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► reenactor whoo-hoo [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► that's pretty good yeah um that's the [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► number one problem you could you just [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► stop talking with the number for his [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► problems just stuff your head them [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► mustaches running moustache if you go if [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► you go one watching some reason or no [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► sir I should they should hire me and I [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► just walked down the ramp would be like [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► no wrong wrong mustache [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► yeah you know what frankly i don't care [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► if you get that job but i would like you [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► to go down to the t-shirt barn at [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► whatever mall you have and get federal [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► mustache and maybe it was under cabinet [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► trucker cap John they're gonna think [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► that means something else because nobody [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► wears trucker captain can I can I [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► threatened to change the subject in an [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► organic way by asking you about [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► something you mentioned wants to me is [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► it true that you have a tumblr about [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► juggalos is that accurate [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► I'm i want one so badly but but a you [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► Seattle is not really just below ground [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► zero [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► you know I really think like Tennessee [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► is where juggalos that's where jugglers [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► really that's the heart of the community [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► between two became Detroit and Memphis [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► it's literally like totally kudzu [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► there's like there's like a juggalo [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► there's a vein of general that runs [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► through our nation our great nation and [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► it starts in Detroit and it ends in [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► Memphis and I can't sell like a [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► speechwriter for the worst parts of [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► Canada effort if you're in street clown [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► makeup trying to figure out is that what [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► yeah I go and and and they're proud of [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► their proud of being repulsive and it's [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► it's it's the classic problem of the [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► people being too stupid to realize that [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► they're stupid [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► so that they're proud of the thing [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► therefore precise gambling at that [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► there's a culture dumbfuck erywhere you [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► like you could become lieutenant-colonel [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► of dumbassery like pretty easily because [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► you're respected by your peers for being [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► more into being a dumbass you don't [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► think so you think it's self-aware the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► other some self-awareness mm seems like [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► an outsider culture i read an article [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► about this is read that article about [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► the about the jungle get together we [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► generally article about juggalos that is [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► like the Holocaust that you can stop [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► reading about i'm super fascinated by [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► the door through things [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► that kinky lady while she was performing [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's good articles a really [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► good article very good article I mean I [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► decide what I've seen I've seen a lot of [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► I've seen a lot of things in my time in [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► fact I bet every state i actually [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► actually spent spent some some quality [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► time some intimate time with the young [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► lady that had a gigolo tattoo and she [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► she claimed that it was an ironic [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► judgment that too and I had my doubts if [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► they had like is it like a logo what's [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► the joke is a gigolo tattoo looks like [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► that too is a little guy it's like you [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► remember the pearl jam 10 stick figure [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► there's little stick figure with this [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► guy holding his hands up in the air and [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► he had like dreadlocks he had dreadlock [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► hair it was a stick figure it wasn't [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► even it was just some graffito that they [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► turn into their logo the 10 logo so the [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► juggalo logo is basically that guy the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► guy with the with some dreadlocks it's a [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► stick figure jobs running which has a [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► Rastafarian yes Chevy Cassandra alright [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► that's not realistic a meat cleaver but [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► as we clear anything so this is the [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► juggalo logo and this young lady uh [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► friend of minor am a lady friend of mine [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► with her i had she does not live in [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► though in the West she is it be clear [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► here necessarily the center of america [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► you you seem to be slightly delusional [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► about a variety of things with women [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► your life which I'm not saying it's a [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► bad thing but like what is your actual [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► relationship that you like me to show [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► too just like how what kind of lady [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► friend with the shoes roshan early fan [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► of the long winters and then in the [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► early days long winters we had we had we [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► out we would they were nice enough to [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► let us stay at their apartment huh [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► and she had a separate area that was [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► hers her room if you will which was for [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► the area that I did ya find no better [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► from the beginning i wish i would have [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► had a set of headaches are a dedicated [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► Roderick zone [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► well you know it depending on the town [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► in our early days of touring depending [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► on the town there was only [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► somebody had to sleep in the van right [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► because i'm paranoid about our van [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► grounds into I did not want to be I did [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► not be want to be one of those bands [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► that had that was like riding home and [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► saying oh should got ripped off [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► ok I hated those bands i handed them [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► because all your shit got ripped off [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► because you were stupid because you park [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► your van full of stuff on the street and [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► then everybody went in and got drunk yet [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► you love you left your equipment and a a [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► econoline in Manhattan [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► yeah orono Manhattan is probably the [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► safest place in the world but like I saw [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► it turns out they're worth of box haha [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► there's a bar here in seattle i used to [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► work at this bar the off-ramp [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► yep and the grunge museum and the crunch [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► museum right and people would play the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► show they would load their stuff out [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► into the band and this bar was like on a [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► deserted Street next to a freeway and [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► then they would all come back inside and [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► and drink like four beers each such [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► three thirty in the morning they've got [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► a they got a fucking pinata full [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► offenders like sitting in a parking lot [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► yeah and then they would come outside [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► and all they had to do is leave it [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► unattended for 20 minutes I mean what [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► these guys would swoop in break the lock [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► on the van and it would be it'd be empty [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► like yeah [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► all you have to do is turn around and [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► not leave a guy out there seriously so [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► we have sample we built a lexan people [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► that's right we built a bed in our van [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► and we just never left it unattended and [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► some in some towns the fact that one guy [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► could sleep in the bed in the pan ended [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► up being like that guy was the king that [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► night because we were sleeping there was [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► one time [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► oh my god you slept with these peoples [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► house and other sinks were other sinks [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► had clogged but they hadn't stopped [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► putting dirty dishes and and like [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► pouring their beer into the sink so it's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► like stillwater like every sink was [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► absolutely filled to the brim with [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► Blackwater and you know there's a [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► there's a layer of three inches of a cat [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► vomit on everything and we pulled up to [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► this thing went inside and then the the [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► house was dim right dimly lit and [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► everybody pours into the house like yeah [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► we're partying we're having some [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► after-show party with these people and I [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► got to the top of the stairs and I [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► looked left and I looked right and i saw [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► in all the corner [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► terms of the hallway like that that like [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► skin flakes and pubic hairs had [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► accumulated in like little piles so that [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► you could almost if you were if you were [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► a mouse on a skateboard gonna Jam Trucks [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► juggle a tensile they call it [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► oh and I got to the top of the stairs [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► and I was like hey you guys guess what [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► I'm sleeping in the van tonight and i [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► was i was outside all comfortable in my [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► happy little fan while these guys were [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► being bitten by fleas and probably if [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► there hadn't been a group of us one of [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► them would ended up in pig bacon [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► look look for LARPing there now anyway [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► so this girl this this jungle sighs [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► she's got out she wasn't she claims not [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► to be a juggler she claims to be an [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► ironic juggalo appreciator this is a [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► long time ago 24 she was my first [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► introduction to juggle ilysm I I don't [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► understand tattoos and I and I have to [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► say now I really really don't understand [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► ironic tattoos for ya [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► did you get the thing essentially i used [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► to have a circle jerk shirt had this guy [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► scan on it and it's it looks oddly [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► fingers easy skankin he certainly was [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► not but it's weird it makes you realize [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► the juggalo logo looks a little bit like [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► a cross between the circle jerk skanky [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► guy and and and a swastika is going to [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► have swastik elements but look at the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► program 10 logo [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► ok let's get on this plastic ality is [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► that what you call it has it has a [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► little plastic ality but so does the [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► Circle Jerks guy for that my favorite [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► Busby Berkeley dance sequence and the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► Circle Jerks guy is also happens to be a [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► skinhead well yeah it's from like LA or [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► things from like you know the valley [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► maybe you're saying like use a peaceful [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► skimmer he's no no these are great for [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► the chorus hardcore show I ever went to [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► was a circle jerk show and it scared the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► living shit out of me right let's go as [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► kids kids dancing around that little [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► circle in 1986 with some scary stuff [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► I mean it was violent scary stuff I did [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► that I did that quite a bit that stuff [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► that's lame answer [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► yeah are you Welsh you should probably [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► be Welsh I'm Walsh I could see that was [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► it don't tell me something city show [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► Welshman two doors and one [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► self-destruction you always know which [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► will take even when I was when I was [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► that age I this is I i only know it now [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► in retrospect at the time I didn't [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► realize this but I honestly could only [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► feel things in that in the absolute most [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► extremist sense so if I was feeling bad [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► food only way i could really connect [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► with feeling bad was that I would like [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► to fall I would belly flop on the floor [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► so hard that i would shake glasses off [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► of counters and stuff we like the [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► applicator just growing don't know it [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► was just a just when I got into my late [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► teens I had suppress my emotions for so [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► many years that the only way i could [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► feel emotions was to basically I was [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► never I didn't cut myself I just want it [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► i just went into your night off i went [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► to punk shows and i flailed around and a [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► and punch people and they punch me that [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► was that was one of the ways in which i [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► experienced emotion i just sent you [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► something a link for something called [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► sensory processing disorder [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► I think you might I think you might have [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► gotten that at some point you're 20 some [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► kids have this today it's I think it [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► might be on the spectrum user [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► headbangers right they bang their heads [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► are like little kids you have to run [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► into things [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► yeah i was me that was when I was me but [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► it took many years to develop I did I [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► wasn't like it as a kid how to get [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► started [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► well i suppress my emotions i was one of [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► those i was a modern kid that was like [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► oh I'm fine I'm fine you suppress your [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► emotions and fine I'm fine until when [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► until I was in my twenties until I was [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► in my late twenties actually in my early [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► twenties i was still suppressing my [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► emotions really not what I say [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► expressing my emotions I mean all of my [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► emotions all the time I don't I had I [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► had had I only one like visible [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► expression of emotion and that was that [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► I would that I would get so that [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► basically anything if I felt anything [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► extremely and i'm not even extreme [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► happiness by the only way I could [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► express was to go sit in the corner and [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► stare at the floor [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► that's not funny but that wasn't funny [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► I would go sit in the corner and stare [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► at the floor sometimes for hours and [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► that's when you will need that was angry [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► that was sad when I was not actually [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► clear that's not when you couldn't feel [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► an emotion that's when you felt it [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► strongly [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► that's when I was really like feeling it [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► i would go stare at the floor of the of [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► the rest of the time emotions made no I [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► had no I i had no contact with them and [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► then it is why I went through a very [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► long period where people thought it was [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► a real asshole but not not not not 30 [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► days of rest emotions period but during [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► that period immediately afterwards I was [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► like you know what I need to feel I need [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► to start feeling emotion as Fisher's [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► developed and I had no I had no idea how [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► to do it [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► I had no idea how to do it in a socially [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► acceptable way so i would feel these [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► emotions and I would just like go mad [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► and and it was a little bit scary [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► because of course I had grown up I was [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► very big and I was alright and I had a [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► very fierce look that I practiced for [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► many years of not feeling things [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► wow so when I did suddenly have an [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► emotion boy it was a it was terrorizing [TS]