Roderick on the Line

Ep. 19: "Finger Camping Trip"


00:00:00   hello hi John how are you I'm Marilyn [TS]

00:00:08   okay man you know I keep saying I'll [TS]

00:00:15   think of a song and on with counter on a [TS]

00:00:19   rich with the fucking thing that i'm [TS]

00:00:22   going to rewrite the list to the janet [TS]

00:00:24   jackson song to reflect my actual [TS]

00:00:26   feelings for you because Janet's lyrics [TS]

00:00:29   are fairly fairly antagonistic who but [TS]

00:00:34   like the nature that record I think it's [TS]

00:00:35   a statement of purpose [TS]

00:00:37   yeah she's asserting herself she's [TS]

00:00:39   breaking free jimmy jam Jimmy James you [TS]

00:00:43   work with Jimmy Jam said his name is his [TS]

00:00:45   name I i have not worked with jimmy jam [TS]

00:00:47   but I if I was raised by an oppressive a [TS]

00:00:51   Jehovah's Witness family home boy i [TS]

00:00:54   would i would turn myself turn myself [TS]

00:00:56   over to Jimmy Jam yeah be my guide he [TS]

00:01:01   would he would be the pop the Pied Piper [TS]

00:01:03   who gets the rats out of my undergarment [TS]

00:01:09   my emotional life as the Mormons now [TS]

00:01:11   know what about killing many tests [TS]

00:01:13   what's his faith job Benitez you think [TS]

00:01:16   about jelly bean many tests i think that [TS]

00:01:17   he probably practices a Creole religion [TS]

00:01:20   don't want the chicken ones [TS]

00:01:22   yeah yeah some cybernation that's a [TS]

00:01:24   couple a trustee and now it's not right [TS]

00:01:26   say set sanrio Santeria i thought don't [TS]

00:01:28   call it Rastafarianism about that's [TS]

00:01:30   that's that would be people be bad [TS]

00:01:33   although i think that probably not a lot [TS]

00:01:36   of reggae we don't have a lot of reggae [TS]

00:01:38   listeners and I wonder at times haha [TS]

00:01:42   there [TS]

00:01:43   I mean that is setting aside strictly [TS]

00:01:45   spiritual music is there any other kind [TS]

00:01:47   of truly escrow music that has such a [TS]

00:01:49   closed following way by a religion [TS]

00:01:51   people don't understand [TS]

00:01:52   oh let's see [TS]

00:01:54   bueno let's don't take something like [TS]

00:01:56   you got your Christian soldiers you know [TS]

00:01:58   and stuff like that but what are there [TS]

00:02:00   other face I mean is there anyone there [TS]

00:02:04   a lot of people who claim that indie [TS]

00:02:05   rock right now is being colonized by by [TS]

00:02:09   Christianity i think you said that on a [TS]

00:02:12   number of occasions and I don't know I'm [TS]

00:02:14   just repeating received wisdom you know [TS]

00:02:16   I cut out i cut off i cut out the last [TS]

00:02:18   three hours of our top haha apparently [TS]

00:02:21   put up i only put up i only put the [TS]

00:02:23   first hour just scream because they [TS]

00:02:25   can't handle the truth [TS]

00:02:26   no I've checked yeah yeah you know I've [TS]

00:02:30   decided that I'm gonna go on the [TS]

00:02:31   internet and just go page by page and [TS]

00:02:35   and then mark and just mark all the [TS]

00:02:37   places where people are wrong you have [TS]

00:02:41   an app for that are just gonna write on [TS]

00:02:43   your screen get a Sharpie just manual i [TS]

00:02:45   started at www.bayareait.net is called a [TS]

00:02:51   dictionary attack that's not a bad way [TS]

00:02:53   to go and take less time than you would [TS]

00:02:55   think she could probably do a lot you [TS]

00:02:57   know [TS]

00:02:58   however i have a reggae story i have a [TS]

00:03:00   lot of vegas god i have a few regular [TS]

00:03:03   scores not yours actually even bring [TS]

00:03:06   these people to light [TS]

00:03:08   just tell me the best regular story it's [TS]

00:03:11   like when it's one of those stories [TS]

00:03:13   where I don't take you off track you [TS]

00:03:14   probably got you've been away are you [TS]

00:03:16   doing well I feel like you're not [TS]

00:03:17   feeling pretty good feeling great feels [TS]

00:03:18   good even without Lynn I've been [TS]

00:03:20   traveling and I started taking vitamin D [TS]

00:03:22   oh I want and I went to the doctor and [TS]

00:03:25   he ran a full battery of tests i said [TS]

00:03:28   doctor give me the news and put it right [TS]

00:03:32   back for now you put a/c he he stubbed [TS]

00:03:35   his cigarette out in the in the little [TS]

00:03:37   specimen Trey ahead he took he took 17 [TS]

00:03:42   vials of blood with a rusty needle and [TS]

00:03:45   he came back and said you've got plenty [TS]

00:03:46   of iron came back and said you've got [TS]

00:03:49   all the you've got everything you need [TS]

00:03:51   including a little bit of high [TS]

00:03:53   cholesterol [TS]

00:03:54   you're kidding you just a little bit [TS]

00:03:56   because of because of I'm have my [TS]

00:03:58   insistence on on deep frying my pancakes [TS]

00:04:03   can I had never thought of that it's [TS]

00:04:05   like I'm gonna Cristo for breakfast yes [TS]

00:04:07   hello Fred cakes with the bacon inside [TS]

00:04:10   funny religion story when I was a when I [TS]

00:04:12   was a kid sometimes stay over my friend [TS]

00:04:14   jon's house and we got out before we [TS]

00:04:16   went to church we would make a goes like [TS]

00:04:18   you do for and when we made a goes this [TS]

00:04:21   is such a Cincinnati kind of story you [TS]

00:04:24   make the aygos they come out they got a [TS]

00:04:26   little squeeze and personality part huh [TS]

00:04:28   now the kind they come out it's so [TS]

00:04:31   amazing that of Cincinnati toaster [TS]

00:04:33   that's the Cincinnati style would be to [TS]

00:04:35   put spaghetti and chili on any [TS]

00:04:37   descriptions tonight a little sentiment [TS]

00:04:38   your description scenario somebody if [TS]

00:04:40   Kentucky and Indiana got really fucked [TS]

00:04:43   up and had sex one night a few months [TS]

00:04:45   later Cincinnati would come out it's [TS]

00:04:47   like it's like the clan meets the creek [TS]

00:04:48   but a few months later like not nine [TS]

00:04:51   months later but not normally John five [TS]

00:04:53   months later who don't know how do you [TS]

00:04:56   think people have so many babies safe i [TS]

00:04:57   love Cincinnati it's fine it's a nice [TS]

00:05:00   place to grow up I like what Cincinnati [TS]

00:05:01   of all the towns in America there are a [TS]

00:05:03   few towns that adopted the long winters [TS]

00:05:05   like right away from Cincinnati was one [TS]

00:05:08   we would go there and just really be [TS]

00:05:10   treated like kings and our shows that [TS]

00:05:14   were great because of that radio station [TS]

00:05:15   walk cwo XY my friend their website that [TS]

00:05:19   the best is this item I didn't go away [TS]

00:05:21   cuz i used to get money to them [TS]

00:05:23   yeah I i donated them from chris class [TS]

00:05:25   did their beautiful website on the best [TS]

00:05:28   ok so we get everyone sunday morning we [TS]

00:05:30   gotta get this right [TS]

00:05:31   check out the aygos get squeezed parque [TS]

00:05:33   right you squeeze parque all over it [TS]

00:05:35   did you have a good butter in but you [TS]

00:05:36   don't have butter because you know [TS]

00:05:37   you're Protestant Ohio parque squeezing [TS]

00:05:39   on squeeze it until until it's just this [TS]

00:05:42   entire layer of parquet but then right [TS]

00:05:45   you're going to of these so you get you [TS]

00:05:47   to a ghost put parking between working [TS]

00:05:49   on top then you do then you do the syrup [TS]

00:05:52   you squeeze syrup sweet syrup on top and [TS]

00:05:55   then you take approximately [TS]

00:05:56   three-quarters of a cup of [TS]

00:05:58   confectioner's sugar and cover the [TS]

00:05:59   entire thing [TS]

00:06:00   oh and then try to sit still and think [TS]

00:06:01   about Redemption sister is this your [TS]

00:06:04   regular story I don't overstay want to [TS]

00:06:06   know i read a story up all look at the [TS]

00:06:09   right the regulatory is a story I've [TS]

00:06:11   never told really it's yeah it's it's [TS]

00:06:14   anyway if you had to be there but long [TS]

00:06:16   story short [TS]

00:06:17   my lady when she you know still had the [TS]

00:06:19   bun in the oven she's pretty late in the [TS]

00:06:21   butter woman what you gotta do is drag [TS]

00:06:27   impregnated life then we went to river [TS]

00:06:30   rafting we went and we don't know why we [TS]

00:06:33   did this we want to the Russian River [TS]

00:06:34   this is not a cold war thing but we went [TS]

00:06:37   there and we get a little boat you get [TS]

00:06:39   on the river i have river raft with the [TS]

00:06:41   russian river [TS]

00:06:42   well you know it's not super complicated [TS]

00:06:45   but we're in there and you know long [TS]

00:06:47   snake-like to indicate that you know me [TS]

00:06:50   I don't go outside like that's true [TS]

00:06:51   that's true my Japanese lady a parasol [TS]

00:06:54   is a big deal you're going on the [TS]

00:06:55   Russian River very small electronics [TS]

00:06:57   she's super pregnant and we're in this [TS]

00:06:59   boat we got all our stuff you know [TS]

00:07:01   you've got stuff when you go out there [TS]

00:07:02   and I you know me I don't love being in [TS]

00:07:04   the sun right but anyway we're rolling [TS]

00:07:06   along and suddenly out of nowhere [TS]

00:07:08   we're in this crazy little bit of what [TS]

00:07:11   was the first of all that we missed our [TS]

00:07:13   exit [TS]

00:07:14   there's an exit when you get off we [TS]

00:07:15   missed the sign to get off and go you [TS]

00:07:18   know take your boat back and so we [TS]

00:07:20   didn't know that we kept going we don't [TS]

00:07:21   lie to me as great as my wife sense of [TS]

00:07:23   direction is I was probably whining she [TS]

00:07:25   was distracted i do not have the innate [TS]

00:07:27   sense of direction that you do you [TS]

00:07:28   didn't have a god no short but no and so [TS]

00:07:31   we we go into this suddenly when this [TS]

00:07:33   little like not a rapid exactly but just [TS]

00:07:35   enough to crazy pregnant lady an idiot [TS]

00:07:38   like we can't control the boat [TS]

00:07:40   the vote is in bad shape the boat and [TS]

00:07:43   despite my best efforts the boat [TS]

00:07:44   completely flips over very violently oh [TS]

00:07:47   yeah friends all of us and you [TS]

00:07:48   understand we wanted to stop doing this [TS]

00:07:50   an hour ago [TS]

00:07:50   uh-huh you know you really want to stop [TS]

00:07:52   doing something and you're like I just [TS]

00:07:54   need one more thing at the same way and [TS]

00:07:56   now you're in the water [TS]

00:07:57   well we're in the water our stuff is [TS]

00:07:58   floating away and my lady like took a [TS]

00:08:00   little bit of a hit in the gut going [TS]

00:08:02   over so all freaking out a little like [TS]

00:08:04   we probably are not going to have a [TS]

00:08:05   six-pack of these we really want this [TS]

00:08:06   one to work out so now she's worried I'm [TS]

00:08:09   worried I'm running around trying to [TS]

00:08:11   gather consumer goods and get them back [TS]

00:08:12   in the boat and it's still like another [TS]

00:08:14   hour worry we're walking around carrying [TS]

00:08:15   about we go to the wrong place to go to [TS]

00:08:17   the beach now you gotta go back this [TS]

00:08:18   weekend following up the river and you [TS]

00:08:20   know you just have those days are just [TS]

00:08:21   like oh god I just I want this never to [TS]

00:08:23   have happened right and the closest I'm [TS]

00:08:25   gonna get to this never happened is [TS]

00:08:27   having it [TS]

00:08:27   and so they place you drop in your but [TS]

00:08:30   the place they pick you up with a book [TS]

00:08:32   to different places so you go and it's [TS]

00:08:34   of course its water and movies you would [TS]

00:08:36   start at one end of the river that's [TS]

00:08:37   right and it isn't a loop [TS]

00:08:39   no it's not river doesn't loop around [TS]

00:08:40   back to the top that's right and so we [TS]

00:08:42   finally got back to the book place it's [TS]

00:08:44   all fucking MOOCs and hippies sitting [TS]

00:08:46   around with their with the fucking [TS]

00:08:48   macrame and bush lights and just like [TS]

00:08:50   fucking kill me [TS]

00:08:52   that's their culture and you know I hate [TS]

00:08:53   reggae right i really hate reggae yeah [TS]

00:08:56   so like oh Jesus God I just want to go [TS]

00:08:58   somewhere it's not in the Sun I want to [TS]

00:08:59   make sure that she's comfortable and we [TS]

00:09:02   get in this old busted ass bus [TS]

00:09:04   yeah and you ever get on a bus with like [TS]

00:09:06   the jokey driver [TS]

00:09:08   yeah we'll never go to a second location [TS]

00:09:09   with a hippie haha that's totally true [TS]

00:09:12   myself that's that's that's from 30 rock [TS]

00:09:15   that's not a good one yeah thats true [TS]

00:09:17   though I have made it my mantra that [TS]

00:09:21   joke came from it was so funny so we get [TS]

00:09:24   into this big like like hippie bus and [TS]

00:09:26   everybody's all drunk and a little [TS]

00:09:27   sunburned and happy and we're just [TS]

00:09:28   sitting there like you know like the way [TS]

00:09:31   the way the larger bonide well like the [TS]

00:09:33   guy looks when sam-i-am won't go away [TS]

00:09:35   you know the expression has hmm can I [TS]

00:09:38   just be left alone and we're sitting [TS]

00:09:39   there and it's like a grabber grabber [TS]

00:09:42   yeah and he puts on fucking legend of [TS]

00:09:46   course legend [TS]

00:09:47   I never he wants you to feel irie I was [TS]

00:09:50   feeling super fucking IRA if you've been [TS]

00:09:52   through college you never need to hear [TS]

00:09:53   legend again but don't think that bacta [TS]

00:09:57   tank and gentlemen and it's fucking [TS]

00:09:59   desperately loud now the MOOCs have to [TS]

00:10:01   yell louder everybody on their super [TS]

00:10:04   date rapey they got there they got their [TS]

00:10:05   glasses on the back of their t shirt [TS]

00:10:07   collar and they got like those that's [TS]

00:10:08   real rapey adidas shower sandals [TS]

00:10:11   yeah those are raping and we're just [TS]

00:10:12   sitting there just going and and over [TS]

00:10:15   you were transformed by the message of [TS]

00:10:18   positivity you know I thought I might be [TS]

00:10:20   I thought I might want to make a God's [TS]

00:10:21   eye or something but like that's ready [TS]

00:10:23   for me now is anytime my wife and I are [TS]

00:10:25   anywhere and we hear like one note [TS]

00:10:27   especially a bob marley we just look at [TS]

00:10:29   each other and like if you get a smartly [TS]

00:10:31   but not likely i want to leave out the [TS]

00:10:34   Peter crush but well I why have i not [TS]

00:10:37   heard Bob Marley before [TS]

00:10:39   right i hereby i hereby claim bob marley [TS]

00:10:43   as my DJ name things are going to google [TS]

00:10:46   that and it's been so many bobgoblins [TS]

00:10:48   but I want to be Bob Marley I don't care [TS]

00:10:51   about the other bob bob marley update [TS]

00:10:53   his myspace anymore anyway it's a stupid [TS]

00:10:56   story but you know that situation your [TS]

00:10:58   top so you don't feel this way a lot i [TS]

00:11:00   know but like weirded out by the whole [TS]

00:11:02   like as our baby okay and stuff like [TS]

00:11:04   she's all big and stuff and I and now [TS]

00:11:06   she's here we go through our mothers [TS]

00:11:07   belly so goddamn loud and now every time [TS]

00:11:11   I hear a reggae song it's called trigger [TS]

00:11:12   work for me it's a trick or two and four [TS]

00:11:15   be discussed but just order two and four [TS]

00:11:18   anyway I hate regular hit everywhere i'm [TS]

00:11:21   sorry to keep saying date rape but every [TS]

00:11:23   time here Jimmy Buffett or reggae it [TS]

00:11:25   just sounds like something the guys who [TS]

00:11:26   are thinking about date rape would [TS]

00:11:27   listen to yeah it's awful like nobody [TS]

00:11:30   gonna sit around listening to the wrens [TS]

00:11:31   and do that kind of stuff this this is [TS]

00:11:33   for bad people right now friends are not [TS]

00:11:35   bad news it's not absolutely not like [TS]

00:11:37   you get the thing is anyway you get when [TS]

00:11:39   you know it's like whatever is paul says [TS]

00:11:40   you know wherever two or more of your [TS]

00:11:42   gathering his name [TS]

00:11:43   you get two or more moose in a room and [TS]

00:11:45   there's gonna be some fucking reggae [TS]

00:11:46   right it's a nice looking somewhere else [TS]

00:11:48   that you would never find two friends [TS]

00:11:50   fans in a room together [TS]

00:11:52   well the ECB race fans but they're [TS]

00:11:54   different always there's one in an [TS]

00:11:56   elevator somewhere weeping softly and [TS]

00:11:59   let's not retired now there's one in his [TS]

00:12:01   closet trying to pick which one of these [TS]

00:12:03   two pairs of pants to wear the day they [TS]

00:12:05   waited to but anyway I I just don't like [TS]

00:12:08   reggae it's one of the things I never [TS]

00:12:10   need to hear again i understand i mean [TS]

00:12:12   i-i got my reggae stories are legion [TS]

00:12:15   because of course I grew up in the same [TS]

00:12:17   area that you did except with a with an [TS]

00:12:20   open mind to reggae's and so I really [TS]

00:12:25   have an open mind to break a yeah was [TS]

00:12:27   young [TS]

00:12:28   yeah but somehow I thought hippies might [TS]

00:12:31   be cool too and I think story the door [TS]

00:12:33   never slammed i'm not saying that i have [TS]

00:12:34   listen to reggae and a very long time [TS]

00:12:36   but but but as a musician i have to [TS]

00:12:39   admire the the reggae music it's like [TS]

00:12:43   the CNN of music just like what people [TS]

00:12:45   put on [TS]

00:12:46   well it just this is the problem this is [TS]

00:12:49   the thing yeah here's the thing here's [TS]

00:12:50   the thing with reggae [TS]

00:12:51   just the thing this is true of every [TS]

00:12:53   musician you cannot pick your fans [TS]

00:12:56   I've told you this story right the first [TS]

00:12:57   time but when built to spill first [TS]

00:12:59   started playing in Seattle uh all of [TS]

00:13:02   their fan all their initial fans in the [TS]

00:13:04   very small clubs were all other [TS]

00:13:06   musicians and cool kids and go to build [TS]

00:13:10   this bill shows and it felt like oh man [TS]

00:13:11   this is a real this is a real thing it's [TS]

00:13:13   a real family you know and then I [TS]

00:13:16   remember the day I went to build this [TS]

00:13:17   bill shows they're still playing at the [TS]

00:13:19   crocodile is still 300 capacity but I [TS]

00:13:22   walk in the place is a pact and be [TS]

00:13:25   everyone in the place has a white [TS]

00:13:27   baseball cap on backwards now really and [TS]

00:13:30   I went what the fuck who added who about [TS]

00:13:33   how did these people get to see him [TS]

00:13:35   liking that duck Marsh Marsh I I don't [TS]

00:13:39   like in that at all [TS]

00:13:40   that's the thing you can you looked up [TS]

00:13:41   on stage and you can see that the band [TS]

00:13:43   their body language had changed they [TS]

00:13:45   were not facing the crowd they were not [TS]

00:13:47   they looked like they were like nervous [TS]

00:13:50   and uncomfortable and at the end of [TS]

00:13:52   every song like all around there's [TS]

00:13:54   people like wow yeah well and you know [TS]

00:13:58   of course that had never happened before [TS]

00:14:00   either and and that was my introduction [TS]

00:14:02   to this concept of you know build [TS]

00:14:05   spilled it would never have chosen these [TS]

00:14:07   people if they could they would have [TS]

00:14:08   electrocuted these people but this we [TS]

00:14:12   get this with the frat boys were their [TS]

00:14:14   fans now and they became a frat boy band [TS]

00:14:17   and there was nothing they could do [TS]

00:14:19   about it and then of course i was in [TS]

00:14:20   harvey danger the the ultimate band that [TS]

00:14:23   wanted their fans harvey danger wanted [TS]

00:14:26   their fans to be pavement fans or smith [TS]

00:14:29   and smith fans and Harvey dangers actual [TS]

00:14:32   fans were hot topic teenagers and you [TS]

00:14:36   know and people that didn't like that [TS]

00:14:38   felt Green Day was great but just not [TS]

00:14:41   sophisticated quite enough i see people [TS]

00:14:43   who go to wherever the MTV Spring Break [TS]

00:14:46   things happening and hope that they get [TS]

00:14:47   on camera [TS]

00:14:48   yeah exactly and so Harvey danger was in [TS]

00:14:51   a constant state of misery as a band not [TS]

00:14:54   because their music had changed they had [TS]

00:14:55   done anything wrong but just because [TS]

00:14:57   people chose to like them who the the [TS]

00:15:01   the band didn't admire right so I [TS]

00:15:04   learned [TS]

00:15:05   that that you cannot choose your fans [TS]

00:15:08   and if you try if you make any you know [TS]

00:15:10   if you have any emotional whole on like [TS]

00:15:13   who you want your fans to be you're just [TS]

00:15:15   going to be in misery you have to walk [TS]

00:15:17   out onstage and do your thing [TS]

00:15:18   so a bob marley seems like a good guy he [TS]

00:15:23   did not choose to be the meat the music [TS]

00:15:25   of of date rape or whatever whatever it [TS]

00:15:28   is that you're here you're claiming [TS]

00:15:30   you're saying over i'm not saying it's [TS]

00:15:32   actually no I know exactly what you mean [TS]

00:15:35   I'm saying like you know what but there [TS]

00:15:37   it is [TS]

00:15:38   but there is Bob didn't choose it I felt [TS]

00:15:40   that way when I saw Nirvana in whatever [TS]

00:15:42   1994 there planets which the story but [TS]

00:15:45   they're playing a stadium a stadium but [TS]

00:15:47   you know like the civic center in [TS]

00:15:48   Tallahassee with the Breeders opening [TS]

00:15:50   and the Breeders actually like did a [TS]

00:15:52   pretty good job [TS]

00:15:52   I mean you know they printed a pretty [TS]

00:15:54   good job filling the room turning [TS]

00:15:55   Nirvana came out and it was it was it [TS]

00:15:58   was one of the like defining moments of [TS]

00:16:00   my music and especially the kind of [TS]

00:16:02   indie rock ark was i SAT there with all [TS]

00:16:05   my gosh I really like this band but they [TS]

00:16:07   seem so little they were so little on [TS]

00:16:09   that stage you know but they had all [TS]

00:16:11   this bombastic set stuff going on and [TS]

00:16:14   when they did the whole like she's the [TS]

00:16:16   one who likes all our pretty songs and [TS]

00:16:17   everybody sing along like you don't have [TS]

00:16:20   to be a huge ironist to sit there and go [TS]

00:16:23   this is awkward like there's a big [TS]

00:16:24   spinning mirror ball and people are [TS]

00:16:25   literally singing along with well but [TS]

00:16:28   you know he tried if you if you read the [TS]

00:16:29   liner notes on incest aside there's this [TS]

00:16:32   whole he writes this whole essay on like [TS]

00:16:35   if you if you are raper [TS]

00:16:37   then stop listening to our music like he [TS]

00:16:40   actually you actually addressed rapers [TS]

00:16:44   directly and said if you don't like gays [TS]

00:16:46   or if you're if you like if you're a [TS]

00:16:48   raper then you can fuck off and stop [TS]

00:16:50   listening to nirvana because we don't [TS]

00:16:52   want you and I remember even at the time [TS]

00:16:56   1993 making the internet reader says [TS]

00:17:00   guys rapers yeah sure [TS]

00:17:02   first thing they got through there [TS]

00:17:03   anything in here that should know about [TS]

00:17:05   in terms of whether i should listen to [TS]

00:17:06   this band know what they what they would [TS]

00:17:08   do you know they're looking through [TS]

00:17:09   there like who's the second assistant [TS]

00:17:10   engineer on this project but i'll listen [TS]

00:17:13   to this it's an article about rappers [TS]

00:17:14   hope that's me tony levin played on that [TS]

00:17:16   that's club [TS]

00:17:17   I'm not [TS]

00:17:18   I i guess i should stop listening to [TS]

00:17:20   them but I don't want to what are my [TS]

00:17:21   other options [TS]

00:17:22   oh I could stop raping uh-huh even at [TS]

00:17:25   the time I thought come on core never [TS]

00:17:28   did that come on i'm sure that corn did [TS]

00:17:31   not but not i think that after Kurt or [TS]

00:17:34   before Curt no one has ever addressed [TS]

00:17:36   the rapers directly in the liner notes [TS]

00:17:38   and I think after curd of the subsequent [TS]

00:17:41   artist felt that it had been done and [TS]

00:17:44   that they needed to win to advance the [TS]

00:17:46   betrayed someone well I i think you know [TS]

00:17:48   you can see way too much about coding [TS]

00:17:50   but I mean to me he is a serious [TS]

00:17:51   cautionary tale of the whole be careful [TS]

00:17:54   what you ask for or didn't realize [TS]

00:17:56   you're asking for sonra I mean yeah it's [TS]

00:17:58   a super obvious to say I mean don't know [TS]

00:18:00   he knew what he I mean I wrote the [TS]

00:18:02   community was in Photoshop said I've [TS]

00:18:04   said this before although probably not [TS]

00:18:06   to you but there was a there's a big [TS]

00:18:07   article in the local rock magazine here [TS]

00:18:11   and you know the paper the weekly paper [TS]

00:18:13   called the Rocket a big interview with [TS]

00:18:15   him right before nevermind came out and [TS]

00:18:18   i read it at the time because i have a [TS]

00:18:21   memory like a steel trap [TS]

00:18:23   I remember the gist of the record of [TS]

00:18:25   this of this interview probe primarily [TS]

00:18:28   because i was a junior envious probably [TS]

00:18:30   I was an aspiring musician and here was [TS]

00:18:33   somebody who was where I wanted to be [TS]

00:18:36   and I was trying to like clean whatever [TS]

00:18:38   wisdom I could get and in this interview [TS]

00:18:41   he was and maybe he was having a manic [TS]

00:18:44   day that day but he really was [TS]

00:18:47   unabashedly about like this record is [TS]

00:18:50   gonna be the biggest record in the world [TS]

00:18:52   and we're going to be the biggest band [TS]

00:18:53   in the world and this is going to be [TS]

00:18:54   where this you know we are on the way to [TS]

00:18:57   like achieving all our dreams and of [TS]

00:19:01   course at the time it was so implausible [TS]

00:19:04   that I mean they're their first record [TS]

00:19:07   sold 50,000 copies and i think that you [TS]

00:19:10   know they didn't dare to do even like [TS]

00:19:12   way more than my honey these guys are [TS]

00:19:14   going to succeed like they're not even [TS]

00:19:15   on the radar screen but he's in this [TS]

00:19:17   article just crowing about and this is [TS]

00:19:19   writing for the thing came out you know [TS]

00:19:21   this record the best record anybody's [TS]

00:19:22   ever made and we're gonna be the biggest [TS]

00:19:23   pain in the world [TS]

00:19:24   well so it was there another reason that [TS]

00:19:27   this stuck in my head is it wasn't [TS]

00:19:29   but six months later that i'm reading [TS]

00:19:32   things from him like we're just a you [TS]

00:19:34   know hardcore punk band we just wanted [TS]

00:19:36   to her in our van and I don't know why [TS]

00:19:37   everybody's looking at me all the time [TS]

00:19:38   and I want this to go away and you know [TS]

00:19:42   I still had this prior article in in my [TS]

00:19:45   memory in my short-term memory my ram if [TS]

00:19:48   you will [TS]

00:19:49   uh-huh and wet know my rom which one was [TS]

00:19:52   it in my rammer my rom it was in your [TS]

00:19:54   floppy it was in my floppy I hadn't [TS]

00:19:57   stolen my floppy so i was able to [TS]

00:19:58   compare and contrast the two the two [TS]

00:20:01   attitudes in my own head and I went uh I [TS]

00:20:07   don't know about that [TS]

00:20:08   and of course this was right at the same [TS]

00:20:09   time that that any better [TS]

00:20:11   who had been wearing like doctors dogs [TS]

00:20:13   Sex Wax t-shirt six months before and [TS]

00:20:17   high-top tennis shoes and he was like a [TS]

00:20:19   high five and white guy Mikey all the [TS]

00:20:21   Sun was carrying around a bottle of red [TS]

00:20:23   wine and like oh fuck I'm so her inside [TS]

00:20:27   when I when the Kaiser help i was like [TS]

00:20:30   where you r i5 and white guy six months [TS]

00:20:32   ago and now you're hurt inside either [TS]

00:20:34   that means that every high five and [TS]

00:20:36   white guy is really hurt inside and all [TS]

00:20:39   he needs is several million dollars to [TS]

00:20:41   get in touch with his feelings several [TS]

00:20:43   million dollars in the agile ation of [TS]

00:20:44   millions or some of this is a little bit [TS]

00:20:48   of a put-on and i'm not saying that head [TS]

00:20:50   is a Collins a short name that's what [TS]

00:20:53   that people up here calling I I you know [TS]

00:20:55   when I see my comment mr. better [TS]

00:20:56   Stevie but but people in seattle call [TS]

00:20:59   ahead and so I go along with that [TS]

00:21:02   because I'm something awfully familiar [TS]

00:21:04   I'm a follower it is well it is you know [TS]

00:21:08   that Seattle has to feel has to continue [TS]

00:21:12   continue to feel proprietary about [TS]

00:21:14   people that have become internationally [TS]

00:21:17   international superstar [TS]

00:21:19   uh-huh and so they do it by by using [TS]

00:21:23   inappropriate nicknames or by well [TS]

00:21:26   sometimes it's a little bit like San [TS]

00:21:28   Francisco I mean you know San Francisco [TS]

00:21:30   has a [TS]

00:21:31   another kind of reputation for like you [TS]

00:21:33   know if you see all units [TS]

00:21:35   yeah absolutely hundred percent down the [TS]

00:21:37   middle [TS]

00:21:38   nice tight pants but you know where [TS]

00:21:40   you're supposedly notorious or famous [TS]

00:21:43   for like a like we don't make a big deal [TS]

00:21:45   when you see it all everything notorious [TS]

00:21:48   which is that cover record they did they [TS]

00:21:51   did the render and that would cover [TS]

00:21:53   record the covers like think about cover [TS]

00:21:54   records don't do it [TS]

00:21:56   yeah don't do a cover record name one [TS]

00:21:58   girl she'll just did a cover record [TS]

00:22:01   well of a mistake incredibly obvious [TS]

00:22:04   covers even the Johnny Cash cover record [TS]

00:22:07   with triangle which I credit with [TS]

00:22:09   reintroducing me to solitary man by neil [TS]

00:22:13   diamond a great song and johnny cash's [TS]

00:22:16   cover of it is great but don't do a [TS]

00:22:18   cover record it always seems like a good [TS]

00:22:20   idea going in but it's not you're saying [TS]

00:22:23   there's no you're not interesting just [TS]

00:22:25   ironic cover records and pattern thing [TS]

00:22:27   you're saying cover records in general [TS]

00:22:28   bad idea [TS]

00:22:29   I don't know by 11 artists covering [TS]

00:22:31   another artist that's a bad idea [TS]

00:22:33   well no I think playin a cover and show [TS]

00:22:35   is a great idea nobody make a tribute to [TS]

00:22:38   a tribute to the fastbacks like is that [TS]

00:22:39   a bad idea [TS]

00:22:40   oh no no I'm saying one band does a [TS]

00:22:43   record of their 10 favorite covers it [TS]

00:22:46   feels it feels like not to use an old [TS]

00:22:49   mr. shoujo but I mean it's kind of like [TS]

00:22:51   here to the video for sugar cube by yo [TS]

00:22:53   tengo where they gotta Rock School and [TS]

00:22:55   and David Cross is like and then your [TS]

00:22:57   third record should be the live album [TS]

00:22:58   you know it's weird how they're still is [TS]

00:23:00   this cycle where a certain point you [TS]

00:23:02   know you gotta put up the best of the [TS]

00:23:03   greatest hits the whatever LOL has like [TS]

00:23:06   a hundred and seventy of those but you [TS]

00:23:08   know at a certain point it seems like [TS]

00:23:09   when you really start to dry things up [TS]

00:23:11   that's so different than Paul and get [TS]

00:23:13   back or what would become let it be four [TS]

00:23:16   paws like hey look guys we keep this [TS]

00:23:17   together we've really got to get back to [TS]

00:23:19   our roots right and so a lot of that was [TS]

00:23:20   going in and going back to covering a [TS]

00:23:22   lot of it didn't make it on the album i [TS]

00:23:24   think we are like covers of all rock and [TS]

00:23:26   roll songs that they also managed to [TS]

00:23:28   write long wet every yeah yeah no no I [TS]

00:23:32   tell you graduate [TS]

00:23:33   I guess I'm agreeing with you in there [TS]

00:23:35   yeah it's making a desperate but it's [TS]

00:23:37   like if you were still full of ideas [TS]

00:23:39   I mean you look at ulia van Halen van [TS]

00:23:41   Halen had two albums in the can [TS]

00:23:42   after a few weeks surprisingly you read [TS]

00:23:45   that article i didn't know that i didn't [TS]

00:23:46   know that like first album was great [TS]

00:23:48   second album i think the second album is [TS]

00:23:50   really good too but the point is they [TS]

00:23:51   recorded them at the same time right and [TS]

00:23:53   they still had tracks left over right [TS]

00:23:55   like spanish fly [TS]

00:23:56   I'm saying that van Halen to uh huh is [TS]

00:23:59   not in the top five van Halen records [TS]

00:24:03   really yeah women children first but he [TS]

00:24:07   was a gain what's the one change that's [TS]

00:24:09   yeah [TS]

00:24:10   fair warning yeah fair warning and women [TS]

00:24:12   and children first are my two favorite [TS]

00:24:13   van Halen records and stop Yulin yeah [TS]

00:24:16   because they are they're so dark there [TS]

00:24:19   so they're so smart [TS]

00:24:22   I i had a cassette tape with with with [TS]

00:24:24   those a b-side and I just that studies a [TS]

00:24:28   good one I think I still gotta say I [TS]

00:24:30   mean to me [TS]

00:24:31   van Halen one like side one of Master of [TS]

00:24:33   Puppets yeah i mean like i want to [TS]

00:24:35   master of puppets I don't know what your [TS]

00:24:36   feeling on that is that to me that's [TS]

00:24:37   like that's almost perfect [TS]

00:24:39   it was amazing with the whole records [TS]

00:24:41   great but the first side of that is [TS]

00:24:42   anyone I I would never say a bad word [TS]

00:24:45   about it is one of the great albums that [TS]

00:24:46   is it is bulletproof and in fact it's [TS]

00:24:48   like I was so different and so so [TS]

00:24:50   different from everything else it's kind [TS]

00:24:51   of maybe up above the level where where [TS]

00:24:53   I feel like I could even make a critical [TS]

00:24:55   appraisal it's kind of like going like [TS]

00:24:56   magical mystery tour isn't as good as a [TS]

00:24:59   revolver it's still a pretty good record [TS]

00:25:01   sure it's not a great record it's not [TS]

00:25:04   really a great record will be the next [TS]

00:25:05   day I I don't mind if you notice i was [TS]

00:25:07   able to peg both Van Halen's apotheosis [TS]

00:25:11   their Zenith as well as the beginning of [TS]

00:25:13   the end in forwards here one break haha [TS]

00:25:19   well is it was really really goes to [TS]

00:25:21   support the break Dave when he does [TS]

00:25:25   forwards you go on the one hand this is [TS]

00:25:27   the David Lee Roth eous David Lee Roth [TS]

00:25:29   said this is back when he was still [TS]

00:25:31   awesome but ya go [TS]

00:25:33   that's the beginning like a couple years [TS]

00:25:34   later it's just a gigolo yeah well [TS]

00:25:36   that's the thing I you can you can [TS]

00:25:38   almost hear Eddie Van Halen's I balls [TS]

00:25:40   rolling in his head [TS]

00:25:42   yes at that moment of like oh Jesus what [TS]

00:25:45   have we become absolutely absolutely and [TS]

00:25:47   and I mean you know they probably did I [TS]

00:25:49   don't knowingly providing tons of takes [TS]

00:25:51   but they might just presumably Ted [TS]

00:25:53   temperament that's saying that you think [TS]

00:25:54   right when you are very very rare break [TS]

00:25:57   that's probably temperament right yeah [TS]

00:25:59   but I mean that don't you think that's [TS]

00:26:00   kind of a manicured outtake moment you [TS]

00:26:04   hear yours [TS]

00:26:05   you're speculating that it wasn't [TS]

00:26:06   completely spontaneous about this before [TS]

00:26:09   like the countin on a song or this you [TS]

00:26:12   know boys like you got the beach boys [TS]

00:26:14   here that with the beatles using enough [TS]

00:26:16   details [TS]

00:26:17   well you probably do this but if you [TS]

00:26:18   listen up Beatles bootlegs you know [TS]

00:26:19   there's a lot of crazy stuff that went [TS]

00:26:21   on the studio that's really funny and [TS]

00:26:22   silly and you're John's down into the [TS]

00:26:24   songs he actually counted into the songs [TS]

00:26:26   the Beatles did 40 takes but you have [TS]

00:26:30   you ever heard the alternative and your [TS]

00:26:31   bird can sing i'm i'm sure i have all [TS]

00:26:35   dude if i can say i can't bring it to [TS]

00:26:38   the front of my like it you like a wreck [TS]

00:26:39   12-string right of course [TS]

00:26:42   oh well no internet here I've got [TS]

00:26:43   something for you i'm going to out [TS]

00:26:44   Beatles you buddy at somebody now if I'm [TS]

00:26:47   not a superfan I'm gonna send this right [TS]

00:26:49   back at you [TS]

00:26:50   I IRA from not serve nothing I were [TS]

00:26:53   talking last night is the time when he's [TS]

00:26:55   nice he's the tall nice one although [TS]

00:26:56   they're all nice now too good [TS]

00:26:59   he said he said you can see just now is [TS]

00:27:03   sweeping the dreadlocks out of my face [TS]

00:27:04   while i smoke you [TS]

00:27:06   he said it's gonna be back as the here's [TS]

00:27:09   what I want to do I want you to google I [TS]

00:27:12   ready for this you have your google on [TS]

00:27:14   and get Michael on camera google Randy [TS]

00:27:17   Bachman first quarter of hard day's [TS]

00:27:20   night Randy Randy cock grow up on hard [TS]

00:27:24   day's night hard day's night moves and [TS]

00:27:25   what you will find it actually is you [TS]

00:27:27   chords you know that right [TS]

00:27:28   it's three chords that guitars I used to [TS]

00:27:32   think it was open six strings of the [TS]

00:27:33   guitar [TS]

00:27:34   no I'm sorry guitars Randy Bachman [TS]

00:27:37   explain well because of the base there's [TS]

00:27:39   the base in there too [TS]

00:27:40   Randy Bachman explains Abby Cleo of BTW [TS]

00:27:44   oh and yeah yeah Randy Bachman explains [TS]

00:27:47   that he went to abbey road and they [TS]

00:27:49   called up here and they said we have all [TS]

00:27:52   the beatles masters hear what you want [TS]

00:27:53   to hear and he said I want to hear the [TS]

00:27:57   first quarter of hard day's night and so [TS]

00:27:58   they called it up [TS]

00:28:00   and it turns out it's to gorge on the 12 [TS]

00:28:02   string playing an F I'm not gonna I'm [TS]

00:28:05   not gonna sit here and tell you when I [TS]

00:28:07   was you listen to it well is there is [TS]

00:28:08   there somebody pushing an F with it with [TS]

00:28:10   but he's got to he's got the top g and [TS]

00:28:13   the bottom g added onto the F and then [TS]

00:28:15   John is playing addy sus4 on his guitar [TS]

00:28:19   and then Paul is playing D on the base [TS]

00:28:22   so these guys like I thought it was he's [TS]

00:28:26   playing like an open F with G like g on [TS]

00:28:29   top bottom and then and then so but then [TS]

00:28:32   these guys are center they're sitting [TS]

00:28:34   there with their good parts as at sea [TS]

00:28:37   against put it put it he [TS]

00:28:39   wow that sounds so discordant it and and [TS]

00:28:44   then these guys in this randy bachman [TS]

00:28:45   thing he actually goes ready guys 1234 [TS]

00:28:49   bang and they hit the cord and tears [TS]

00:28:52   come to your eyes because it's exactly [TS]

00:28:54   the court [TS]

00:28:55   damn ya huh I never guess that birds huh [TS]

00:29:00   and I had a little bit LOL is beginning [TS]

00:29:02   of that tax man did we say one time [TS]

00:29:04   we're going to a podcast about tax man [TS]

00:29:06   forget about taxman Gotye won those [TS]

00:29:09   remastered things came out intact i was [TS]

00:29:11   listening to it in my car tax man came [TS]

00:29:12   on i was like give me a fucking break [TS]

00:29:14   you can hear you can hear the mosquitoes [TS]

00:29:17   in the room [TS]

00:29:18   oh yeah that recording so i think is it [TS]

00:29:20   and your bird can sing i think that [TS]

00:29:22   might be the only video song according [TS]

00:29:23   to Paul that he never played on George [TS]

00:29:25   place based on that so Wow no way no way [TS]

00:29:28   I'm sorry I'm sorry she said 10 take it [TS]

00:29:31   all back to go back Paul play second [TS]

00:29:32   guitar on and your bird can sing his [TS]

00:29:34   best guitar player in the band and he [TS]

00:29:35   did not play on I want to say she said [TS]

00:29:37   she said I'm pretty sure you're [TS]

00:29:41   including all those all the songs the [TS]

00:29:43   oldest jaan songs later always on [TS]

00:29:46   everything according to Paul you know [TS]

00:29:49   what I don't have this in front of evil [TS]

00:29:51   and narrator we're going to get letters [TS]

00:29:52   without me you know there's a bunch of [TS]

00:29:54   ones were you know as you know he ended [TS]

00:29:56   up playing drums on some of the White [TS]

00:29:57   Album stuff and as we discussed he plays [TS]

00:30:00   me the most interesting guitar parts on [TS]

00:30:02   some of our favorite beatles i just sat [TS]

00:30:03   in a dressing room in Philadelphia [TS]

00:30:05   Pennsylvania not a week ago hurt [TS]

00:30:06   somebody said something nice about us [TS]

00:30:08   there [TS]

00:30:08   that's what i heard a lot of people [TS]

00:30:09   listening to Robert on the last saw you [TS]

00:30:11   on the YouTube talking about our pro [TS]

00:30:13   I'm always on the youtube for tuning [TS]

00:30:15   guitars point out my wife not it was [TS]

00:30:17   certainly cool you mentioned the shovel [TS]

00:30:18   was super cool I said did you get why [TS]

00:30:20   this is great i said because he's tuning [TS]

00:30:22   guitar this is why banter works [TS]

00:30:24   yeah you gotta talk about this in the [TS]

00:30:25   water keep our most were you in drop D [TS]

00:30:28   we don't you get some Slayer what we did [TS]

00:30:30   and i'm doing an open d-1 so I had a lot [TS]

00:30:33   of I had to tune all six strings of the [TS]

00:30:35   guitar [TS]

00:30:35   yeah but anyway i'm sitting in this [TS]

00:30:37   dressing room in this guy local [TS]

00:30:38   Philadelphia musician is back there to [TS]

00:30:40   talk to the headliner from sonic this [TS]

00:30:41   guy from from hooters [TS]

00:30:43   no he wasn't for looters although he [TS]

00:30:45   could look like you could have been in [TS]

00:30:46   the human psyche ahead and he is that he [TS]

00:30:48   starts talking about Paul McCartney's [TS]

00:30:50   like there's three things i want i want [TS]

00:30:51   so there's two things I won't take in [TS]

00:30:54   this live in this world i won't take [TS]

00:30:56   people talking shit about Philadelphia [TS]

00:30:57   because I'm from Philadelphia and I [TS]

00:31:01   won't take some other thing that I that [TS]

00:31:03   didn't register with me and I don't care [TS]

00:31:04   about and he said then the third thing I [TS]

00:31:06   won't take is anybody talking shit about [TS]

00:31:08   Paul McCartney was like a boy in the [TS]

00:31:11   wrong dressing room madam at the trauma [TS]

00:31:13   side with Paul on the John side [TS]

00:31:15   no no I love Paul I love Paul but I'm [TS]

00:31:17   not somebody that's not going to talk [TS]

00:31:18   shit about Paul here we go [TS]

00:31:20   because if you love something you must [TS]

00:31:22   talk shit about it you must shit free [TS]

00:31:24   least that's pretty good we sit in [TS]

00:31:27   college that you won't really finish [TS]

00:31:28   your thesis until you hate the topic [TS]

00:31:30   yeah the I there Paul McCartney is [TS]

00:31:32   absolutely unimpeachably as a musician [TS]

00:31:34   as a composer but he kept up and [TS]

00:31:37   together a god 1t masthead you're saying [TS]

00:31:41   Paul up through 1970 economy fucking [TS]

00:31:44   penis head [TS]

00:31:44   well have you watched let it be you see [TS]

00:31:47   how hard he tries don't know he's [TS]

00:31:49   amazing but he just he seems like the [TS]

00:31:50   guy that's walking around their shared [TS]

00:31:52   apartment picking up cigarette butts I'm [TS]

00:31:53   going guys gauze can i I get it is a [TS]

00:31:57   real thing about me it's really not that [TS]

00:31:59   doesn't it up you're saying all right [TS]

00:32:01   you're the paul mccartney of Roderick on [TS]

00:32:03   the line i play whatever you want me to [TS]

00:32:06   play if you don't want me to play don't [TS]

00:32:07   play at all up flower ball example yoga [TS]

00:32:11   fucking Yoko walks in and sits in [TS]

00:32:13   George's empty seat [TS]

00:32:15   yeah tell me that's not symbolic there [TS]

00:32:17   was a there was over a lot of you know I [TS]

00:32:19   don't think I'm gonna be the first to [TS]

00:32:20   say there were a lot of problems with [TS]

00:32:21   the beetle they had a lot of problems [TS]

00:32:23   and when I didn't realize was how early [TS]

00:32:25   relatively early on John was already [TS]

00:32:28   like I hate this like you know even [TS]

00:32:30   before Yoko when he was like sitting [TS]

00:32:31   around being depressed in the suburbs [TS]

00:32:33   and smoke weed anyway [TS]

00:32:34   ok let's but let me get that for the [TS]

00:32:36   other but due diligence but lemon was a [TS]

00:32:39   prick [TS]

00:32:39   I don't you think Paul is an asshole but [TS]

00:32:42   lemon was the toolset awful things he [TS]

00:32:44   was a total prick somebody's somebody [TS]

00:32:46   asked him everything I was the best [TS]

00:32:49   driver and rock'n'roll what he say he's [TS]

00:32:51   the best drummer in the beatles no no we [TS]

00:32:53   didn't even say that he said hes night [TS]

00:32:54   bestie he's not even the best drummer in [TS]

00:32:56   the beatles haha that's all she'll start [TS]

00:33:01   my beetles god damn it makes me mad but [TS]

00:33:03   you know there's always a greater [TS]

00:33:04   Beatles fan you got to stay out of the [TS]

00:33:05   way because let's get serious [TS]

00:33:06   they live in Japan we don't even [TS]

00:33:08   understand what they're saying cannot [TS]

00:33:09   find Matthew Sweet why we have it would [TS]

00:33:12   not make fun of matthew sweet because [TS]

00:33:13   he's working with Susanna Hoffs and I am [TS]

00:33:15   NOT for if somebody is going to be if if [TS]

00:33:18   somebody standing within 25 feet of [TS]

00:33:20   susanna hoffs I think that they are you [TS]

00:33:22   can't say a bad thing about to get [TS]

00:33:24   pretty voice yet here's the thing i was [TS]

00:33:26   not a Susanna Hoffs fan back in the day [TS]

00:33:28   in the walk like an Egyptian era I [TS]

00:33:32   thought that she was another manic [TS]

00:33:34   monday that's a cover the prints are [TS]

00:33:38   right yeah okay but I didn't like her I [TS]

00:33:40   thought she was too small she was too [TS]

00:33:42   she got to keep looking sideways can [TS]

00:33:44   always just what you looking at boy was [TS]

00:33:45   looking at these points like somebody's [TS]

00:33:48   gonna like the sniper on this side or [TS]

00:33:50   that side she's not in the right or left [TS]

00:33:51   I don't know when somebody sent me I [TS]

00:33:55   again a youtube clip i hate to advertise [TS]

00:33:57   youtube but it's a place where you can [TS]

00:34:00   watch videos that are not copyright [TS]

00:34:04   protected in any case somebody sent me [TS]

00:34:07   this [TS]

00:34:07   yeah Susanna Hoffs video from like early [TS]

00:34:10   nineties where she's playing an outdoor [TS]

00:34:13   rock festival and her band is doing a [TS]

00:34:16   cover of like when the levee breaks or [TS]

00:34:22   something like that [TS]

00:34:23   I don't know what it was i forget it was [TS]

00:34:25   something like classic rock too and [TS]

00:34:28   she's wearing these that these little [TS]

00:34:29   black stretch pants or whatever [TS]

00:34:32   ok now you got me and she is and this [TS]

00:34:34   you not in the bangles are the banana [TS]

00:34:36   ramas or whatever the help and she was [TS]

00:34:37   in [TS]

00:34:38   she's gotta you gotta band full of dudes [TS]

00:34:40   and they're like guitar face makin like [TS]

00:34:43   strapped up to strap with the strap to [TS]

00:34:46   hi dudes like la dudes everything about [TS]

00:34:50   it's wrong but they launch into this [TS]

00:34:51   tune and she just kills it and it's like [TS]

00:34:56   daytime rock festival thing it's not [TS]

00:34:59   even it's not even night she's probably [TS]

00:35:01   fifth on a bill of 15 but she just kills [TS]

00:35:05   it and and I walked away like Susanna [TS]

00:35:07   Hoffs ok whatever whatever else I used [TS]

00:35:09   to think [TS]

00:35:10   Susanna Hoffs can really bring you can [TS]

00:35:12   just search her on it was advertised [TS]

00:35:13   google images but she has done she's [TS]

00:35:16   doing some kind of fucking Dorian Gray [TS]

00:35:17   going on she illustrates she is i [TS]

00:35:20   handsome handsome woman today [TS]

00:35:22   yeah she's got to be 50 years old see [TS]

00:35:25   this is why I'm glad in peak in high [TS]

00:35:26   school but she looks so much better now [TS]

00:35:29   g bak pico I guess both peaks rpea [TS]

00:35:33   k.m.m.c because it both in the Twin [TS]

00:35:35   Peaks the time before peak as in peek [TS]

00:35:38   around the corner I gotta catch up on [TS]

00:35:39   that did you peek in high school I [TS]

00:35:42   always imagined a different night in [TS]

00:35:43   high school you're gonna be sometimes I [TS]

00:35:45   pick three or four times a day bad [TS]

00:35:47   feeling to concentrate on anything [TS]

00:35:49   yeah caustic resin I have to present is [TS]

00:35:54   not yet from the ultimate alternative [TS]

00:35:57   waivers that I was named Brent bread [TS]

00:35:59   bread [TS]

00:36:00   yeah I I button hold him at a show a [TS]

00:36:02   constant presence show one time just so [TS]

00:36:03   i could be else puji about ultimate [TS]

00:36:05   alternative waivers really interesting [TS]

00:36:07   is that we talked about which is a bit [TS]

00:36:09   still record [TS]

00:36:09   yeah the first one that I heard that I [TS]

00:36:11   fell in love with the first one the [TS]

00:36:13   first album do they have the car the car [TS]

00:36:16   single was before that is ok look at a [TS]

00:36:19   record [TS]

00:36:19   well anyway it's early this is very [TS]

00:36:21   early and he was even in the band [TS]

00:36:23   anymore cuz i think he had no challenges [TS]

00:36:25   but the commodities people yet yet [TS]

00:36:28   challenges like a lot of you Seattle [TS]

00:36:29   people [TS]

00:36:30   yeah it's just so weird I mean like it [TS]

00:36:32   it's when you talk about built to spill [TS]

00:36:35   and i know i won't even go to see built [TS]

00:36:37   to spill because they always play Slim's [TS]

00:36:38   like Sloan is the only band i will go to [TS]

00:36:40   see its limbs [TS]

00:36:41   I'm sorry x.x other than that you know [TS]

00:36:44   white no matter where you stand there is [TS]

00:36:45   no sight line anywhere its limbs and [TS]

00:36:46   makes me crazy [TS]

00:36:48   this is a this is an interesting thing [TS]

00:36:49   about about American clubs and I [TS]

00:36:51   just realized this opening for a man on [TS]

00:36:54   the east coast i played all these cities [TS]

00:36:56   that have played many many many many [TS]

00:36:57   many times about opening for a man i was [TS]

00:37:01   suddenly in i was playing these clubs [TS]

00:37:03   that not only had I never been to but I [TS]

00:37:05   had never heard of and they are big [TS]

00:37:08   clubs in each one of these cities that I [TS]

00:37:13   mean Philadelphia obviously i played the [TS]

00:37:15   world cafe where I plane and in the New [TS]

00:37:17   York the big cities sure you play the [TS]

00:37:20   big clubs like out in Alexandria [TS]

00:37:22   Virginia or annapolis maryland playing [TS]

00:37:26   these places where people sit down at [TS]

00:37:27   tables to watch a show he had got a [TS]

00:37:29   thousand people in there and everybody's [TS]

00:37:33   talking about this club like oh it's a [TS]

00:37:34   legend this club's been here forever its [TS]

00:37:36   legendary i'm like i have never heard of [TS]

00:37:39   this club and I go and I look on the [TS]

00:37:40   wall and there's like all the people [TS]

00:37:43   that have played in this club and I'm [TS]

00:37:45   going down the list of him like I it's a [TS]

00:37:49   whole separate music scene the the [TS]

00:37:53   Lucinda Williams and the remedies and [TS]

00:37:56   the people callin aerials and shawn [TS]

00:37:59   colvin and there's a whole network of [TS]

00:38:02   clubs that that honestly there could be [TS]

00:38:05   there could be a whole music scene of [TS]

00:38:08   people that are like I go to clubs every [TS]

00:38:09   night I've been to clubs all around the [TS]

00:38:11   world and and they have never cross [TS]

00:38:14   paths with me except at a truck stop [TS]

00:38:15   somewhere where they were headed [TS]

00:38:18   they were headed alexandra is a parallel [TS]

00:38:20   universe [TS]

00:38:21   it's a parallel universe of clubs and [TS]

00:38:23   rock fans that are that are just doing [TS]

00:38:26   this other thing I bet Susanna Hoffs is [TS]

00:38:28   playing at those places in fact right [TS]

00:38:29   now with the with matthew sweet but for [TS]

00:38:33   instance you can't even stand to go to [TS]

00:38:35   slims and then happy no matter where you [TS]

00:38:38   stand [TS]

00:38:39   no matter where you stand its limbs here [TS]

00:38:40   in somebody's way yeah i mean bottom of [TS]

00:38:43   the hill is like that but there are [TS]

00:38:44   places that bottom where you can camp [TS]

00:38:45   out you get into a corner and bottom of [TS]

00:38:48   the yeah and you can still hear what's [TS]

00:38:49   going on within all you tell me this in [TS]

00:38:51   San Francisco there's a rule of two [TS]

00:38:52   right isn't there like a fucking you [TS]

00:38:54   might have told me this or I heard it [TS]

00:38:55   somewhere but you start out like where [TS]

00:38:57   you play cafe du nord right like I'm [TS]

00:38:59   gonna get this wrong and people will [TS]

00:39:00   tell me but like to cafe du nord is a [TS]

00:39:03   bottom of the hill [TS]

00:39:04   to bottom of the hills is a great [TS]

00:39:06   American two great Americans is a film [TS]

00:39:09   or is it is that kind of right in there [TS]

00:39:10   i got like a sec building but I feel [TS]

00:39:12   like that is true [TS]

00:39:13   yeah although the number if you want [TS]

00:39:15   more fields being an annoying to guess [TS]

00:39:17   I'm gonna fucking follow more people go [TS]

00:39:19   up go up exponentially to I mean it's [TS]

00:39:22   more expensive to put on the show the [TS]

00:39:23   film more than it is at you know to put [TS]

00:39:26   on three at the bottom of the hill or do [TS]

00:39:28   you have any idea how hard it is to find [TS]

00:39:29   45 angry hippies to act like they like [TS]

00:39:31   music staff there now you go to the [TS]

00:39:34   great American you like you get your [TS]

00:39:35   dude they're the backstage dude they [TS]

00:39:37   treat you write the great American right [TS]

00:39:38   yeah absolutely [TS]

00:39:39   well Seattle has a similar thing except [TS]

00:39:41   it's kind of a rule of threes like it's [TS]

00:39:43   three crocodiles used to be a showbox [TS]

00:39:47   three show boxes are paramount but there [TS]

00:39:51   are a lot of bands like death cabin and [TS]

00:39:53   and built to spill for instance and [TS]

00:39:54   modest mouse these bands could have [TS]

00:39:56   played a paramount but they would rather [TS]

00:39:58   play three show boxes [TS]

00:40:00   uh-huh because in the end you walk with [TS]

00:40:02   more money from three show boxes [TS]

00:40:04   well I think that's I think that's super [TS]

00:40:06   smart you know that's one reason now for [TS]

00:40:08   example he didn't you shine open for [TS]

00:40:11   they might be giants one time we open [TS]

00:40:13   for the many times and nobody will ever [TS]

00:40:15   encounter now you know that night at [TS]

00:40:17   great american it was a sit-down thing [TS]

00:40:19   it's a weird show because you know [TS]

00:40:20   they're trying to make electro & chicken [TS]

00:40:21   fingers and shit so you should you bet [TS]

00:40:24   you pay more but if you want to see up [TS]

00:40:26   in the mezzanine where you can see or [TS]

00:40:28   you want to show on the scene on the [TS]

00:40:29   floor if you want to see you gotta pee [TS]

00:40:31   gotta fucking food you've gotta like [TS]

00:40:33   it's real stupid [TS]

00:40:34   let me tell you a little thing about the [TS]

00:40:35   music business tell me there's nothing [TS]

00:40:37   but it's a people trying to make money [TS]

00:40:39   everybody mean like almost everybody [TS]

00:40:42   yeah and they'll sell your chicken [TS]

00:40:43   fingers if that's what it takes listen [TS]

00:40:46   Merlin right now i would sell your [TS]

00:40:47   chicken fingers of if if I thought I [TS]

00:40:49   could get them to your hot and fresh is [TS]

00:40:51   what separates your pro I don't want to [TS]

00:40:53   sell you cold chicken fingers or have [TS]

00:40:55   you open a box and it's like these [TS]

00:40:57   chicken the they're not crispy anymore [TS]

00:40:59   if i can get them to you right now I [TS]

00:41:01   would this is what makes you artisanal [TS]

00:41:03   and it's what makes our show artisanal [TS]

00:41:04   you know I sometimes bemoan the fact [TS]

00:41:06   that we're not you know ridiculously [TS]

00:41:07   popular as a program but you know what I [TS]

00:41:10   I don't want to have I don't want to [TS]

00:41:11   have the dog March problem i don't want [TS]

00:41:13   to be entertaining dumbasses I like the [TS]

00:41:15   fact that we're getting people who can [TS]

00:41:16   tolerate a huge amount of pain [TS]

00:41:17   pawn in a little bit of a giant talk to [TS]

00:41:20   girls get to someplace important [TS]

00:41:21   something happened to me a couple weeks [TS]

00:41:23   ago I went on to your Twitter account [TS]

00:41:25   and read your @ replies sorry I have [TS]

00:41:30   never done this before I've never gone [TS]

00:41:31   to a friend's Twitter account and read [TS]

00:41:33   what people are saying to them and I was [TS]

00:41:36   appalled at the way people talk to you [TS]

00:41:39   how's that I was appalled well there are [TS]

00:41:41   all these ding-dongs out there [TS]

00:41:42   correcting you on stuff where you're not [TS]

00:41:44   wrong [TS]

00:41:45   they're like oh no Merlin Mann here the [TS]

00:41:47   barber Don but Don everybody's got it I [TS]

00:41:50   mean no you get you get tons and tons of [TS]

00:41:52   people congratulating you and telling [TS]

00:41:54   you they're your hero but there are also [TS]

00:41:56   all these people who presume that it's [TS]

00:41:59   their place to correct you on some of [TS]

00:42:01   this or that it is that's their place [TS]

00:42:04   I'm not criticizing now that's what it's [TS]

00:42:05   for I mean they got they got a keyboard [TS]

00:42:07   just like me you know yeah I you know [TS]

00:42:09   the thing is I've said this before but [TS]

00:42:11   like I've been corrected for for [TS]

00:42:13   spelling wookie incorrectly and i've [TS]

00:42:16   been criticized is am Telling it [TS]

00:42:19   correctly [TS]

00:42:20   I've had I've had to have arguments with [TS]

00:42:22   people about whether i spelled [TS]

00:42:23   incorrectly or correctly it's nots [TS]

00:42:25   really super hard to find out how the [TS]

00:42:27   correct spelling something is and yet no [TS]

00:42:29   matter what you do something and organs [TS]

00:42:31   wrong [TS]

00:42:31   yeah it's a kind of argument is it is [TS]

00:42:34   not now I understand now you're always [TS]

00:42:35   arguing with people on your Twitter [TS]

00:42:37   because you say provocative things and [TS]

00:42:38   then you respond [TS]

00:42:39   yeah you're saying mine is more caustic [TS]

00:42:41   I get more caustic responses yeah i know [TS]

00:42:43   people people respond to to my Twitter [TS]

00:42:46   account with the with only the most like [TS]

00:42:49   fearful deference I gotta start writing [TS]

00:42:51   those like mr. Grady sorry I'm sorry I'm [TS]

00:42:56   sorry to interrupt you sir but I just [TS]

00:42:58   wanted to say thank you for everything [TS]

00:43:00   you do for us who signed loyal fan [TS]

00:43:03   it must be a lot of people who are [TS]

00:43:04   finally at a point where they're willing [TS]

00:43:07   to share how much you've helped them [TS]

00:43:09   like for a long time is probably hard to [TS]

00:43:11   even you know get the wherewithal to [TS]

00:43:13   obviously approach a man of your stature [TS]

00:43:15   but them to be able to be so open to be [TS]

00:43:18   so exposed to the time like you right [TS]

00:43:21   people people want they want the I get [TS]

00:43:24   the feeling a lot of people before they [TS]

00:43:25   reply to me on Twitter they put on that [TS]

00:43:28   they change their clothes they put on [TS]

00:43:29   some better clothes [TS]

00:43:30   like put on me i'm not saying Sunday [TS]

00:43:32   best but they dress to impress some some [TS]

00:43:35   not clean but less dirty less dirty yeah [TS]

00:43:38   maybe they may be put on a hat and then [TS]

00:43:41   it's dirty shirt and they when they [TS]

00:43:43   reply to me on Twitter and and sometimes [TS]

00:43:45   I reply sometimes I don't already do [TS]

00:43:46   after that today I go pick up his [TS]

00:43:48   prescription do they take off the [TS]

00:43:49   clothes they get passed by probably sit [TS]

00:43:51   in a chair and stare at the floor and [TS]

00:43:53   think about the wording of the tweet [TS]

00:43:54   they said to me and wonder if they maybe [TS]

00:43:56   could have done it better or there and [TS]

00:43:58   then they think they get kind of [TS]

00:43:59   paranoid like fuck it [TS]

00:44:01   he could have he could totally [TS]

00:44:02   misinterpret what I said yes and they [TS]

00:44:04   think should i send him a second tweet [TS]

00:44:05   clarifying tweet also them don't some of [TS]

00:44:09   this is what makes the the end of the [TS]

00:44:11   evening dangerous especially anyone [TS]

00:44:14   anywhere you are where there's drinks [TS]

00:44:15   whether it's the end of the the event at [TS]

00:44:18   something like macworld in my case or [TS]

00:44:19   whether it's the end of the evening for [TS]

00:44:21   you and I know usually hide your [TS]

00:44:22   dressing room behind your feelings of [TS]

00:44:24   guards but it's when people video is the [TS]

00:44:26   end of the evening when the people who [TS]

00:44:27   would have liked melt around and just [TS]

00:44:28   come up and said hi [TS]

00:44:29   earlier they get to get 11 or 16 drink [TS]

00:44:32   cinnamon and then there's a lot of [TS]

00:44:34   there's a lot of candor [TS]

00:44:35   yeah do you ever get a lot of candor I [TS]

00:44:38   do get a lot of Canada particularly on [TS]

00:44:39   this last tour because I started selling [TS]

00:44:41   hugs [TS]

00:44:42   did you really still hugs yeah i forgot [TS]

00:44:44   to bring any merchandise that was moon [TS]

00:44:46   and I was sitting I was sitting [TS]

00:44:47   backstage and I was like I didn't bring [TS]

00:44:49   any merchandise on this tour and and a [TS]

00:44:51   man says we gotta merchandise because [TS]

00:44:54   because how else are people going to [TS]

00:44:56   show that they love you with your [TS]

00:44:57   chicken fingers by something I why [TS]

00:44:59   should have what I should have done is [TS]

00:45:00   ordered chicken fingers on my backstage [TS]

00:45:01   Rider and then sold them from the stage [TS]

00:45:04   I got a chicken finger here who want the [TS]

00:45:06   chicken finger but i said i'll sell you [TS]

00:45:09   hugs for five bucks I high fives for [TS]

00:45:12   high fives for to fist bumps 41 and I [TS]

00:45:17   went up there and let me tell you hug [TS]

00:45:19   somebody after a show and you're very [TS]

00:45:21   you're very moist after-show john i am [TS]

00:45:23   but I'm a great hugger dry or wet wet or [TS]

00:45:26   dry i can give you both kinds and and [TS]

00:45:30   somebody and then they're really gonna [TS]

00:45:32   tell you a story you know it's not like [TS]

00:45:34   it's not like the Walkabout hey great [TS]

00:45:36   job and they stop and they got they got [TS]

00:45:38   a story to tell [TS]

00:45:39   yeah and I love people stories you know [TS]

00:45:41   me I i love a story too [TS]

00:45:44   I you know you said something a long [TS]

00:45:45   time ago that I wasn't so sure about [TS]

00:45:47   like all things with you it takes a [TS]

00:45:49   minute to sink in like I'm not sure I'm [TS]

00:45:51   is extraverted as I thought I mean I'm [TS]

00:45:52   definitely a loudmouth but I think I'm I [TS]

00:45:55   don't say introverted but I definitely [TS]

00:45:57   had a certain point you feel like coming [TS]

00:46:00   like a cold coming on I could feel that [TS]

00:46:02   I'm gonna need to not be on seeing and [TS]

00:46:06   what did I tell you that you that you [TS]

00:46:09   took a while to think about well that [TS]

00:46:11   clients you're less extroverted than you [TS]

00:46:13   thought [TS]

00:46:13   yes you know that's right you're right [TS]

00:46:16   you're right you're right but you know [TS]

00:46:19   it's hard getting is a phrase like you [TS]

00:46:21   gotta recharge your battery i think [TS]

00:46:22   that's important [TS]

00:46:23   don't know you get do you get time to [TS]

00:46:24   recharge your battery out there within [TS]

00:46:25   about a man i'm pretty sure I heard a [TS]

00:46:27   song of hers in the seminary movie [TS]

00:46:29   yes she's friends with the Tim what [TS]

00:46:32   yeah they in fact they co-wrote a song [TS]

00:46:34   together [TS]

00:46:36   I know I get mobbed up with these famous [TS]

00:46:38   feels small world small world maybe I [TS]

00:46:40   don't you know what I like my life my [TS]

00:46:41   life is modest it is manageable you know [TS]

00:46:44   and you know i don't know if i need a [TS]

00:46:46   lot of celebrities in my life that must [TS]

00:46:48   be hard for you John you know a lot of [TS]

00:46:49   very famous people including yourself [TS]

00:46:51   yes it's hard to manage know because i [TS]

00:46:55   know because i have cultivated this is [TS]

00:46:58   this air of of impenetrability right so [TS]

00:47:03   so reading at the early nineties huh [TS]

00:47:05   yeah well then I had a cultivated an air [TS]

00:47:08   of of intoxicated the ability now and [TS]

00:47:14   then remember how potentially work now [TS]

00:47:17   there's down there was an error in [TS]

00:47:19   between there was an error i was better [TS]

00:47:20   trouble and now you know and it's it's [TS]

00:47:22   an air of impenetrability it isn't that [TS]

00:47:24   I'm actually impenetrable but so I mean [TS]

00:47:26   I'm in a room full of famous people [TS]

00:47:28   whatever people are going nuts all [TS]

00:47:29   around me and and I just uh I let it [TS]

00:47:32   bounce off me but it seems like people [TS]

00:47:34   must constantly calling you please [TS]

00:47:35   coming you know what perform Dubai with [TS]

00:47:39   catherine zeta-jones yeah yeah [TS]

00:47:41   please visit you know you know go to Las [TS]

00:47:43   Vegas and visit somebody's tiger or [TS]

00:47:44   something you must get a lot of things [TS]

00:47:46   you have to manage [TS]

00:47:47   yeah yeah yeahs fact that you're gonna [TS]

00:47:49   love this [TS]

00:47:50   the mayor's office called me and said we [TS]

00:47:53   want you to be on a panel talking about [TS]

00:47:58   because they're really trying to promote [TS]

00:47:59   Seattle ism as a music town and after [TS]

00:48:02   years and years and years of trying to [TS]

00:48:04   squash every music or cultural related [TS]

00:48:08   activity here there's a new bear and [TS]

00:48:10   that he likes music and so I'm on this [TS]

00:48:14   panel like this panel with sir mix-a-lot [TS]

00:48:16   it's not even a panel it's me and sir [TS]

00:48:18   mix-a-lot you can mix mix and we're [TS]

00:48:23   talking about you're talking about [TS]

00:48:24   social networking and I'm like what are [TS]

00:48:27   you what are you talking about i don't [TS]

00:48:29   want to be on this and they're like no [TS]

00:48:30   no Paste Magazine says you're the number [TS]

00:48:33   one musician to follow you live here in [TS]

00:48:34   scandal so you can beat on our panel and [TS]

00:48:36   talk about social networking and I'm [TS]

00:48:38   like to to whom [TS]

00:48:41   well you know who to whom a room full of [TS]

00:48:45   ding-dongs absolutely i'm saying how [TS]

00:48:48   tedious coming to set up on this panel [TS]

00:48:50   with mix and mix of course is gonna go i [TS]

00:48:53   don't know i don't i don't do that i [TS]

00:48:56   just blew the main mix doesn't tweet or [TS]

00:48:59   if he does I don't know about it and [TS]

00:49:02   then they're gonna look at me and I'm [TS]

00:49:03   gonna say yeah here's the secret be [TS]

00:49:05   funny I guess and like be nice and keep [TS]

00:49:11   moving it out of the way thank you [TS]

00:49:12   goodnight and then somebody comes up and [TS]

00:49:14   gives you there a little half-size new [TS]

00:49:15   cards as follow me [TS]

00:49:16   I'm gonna get 700 business cards at this [TS]

00:49:19   thing every time somebody hands me a [TS]

00:49:20   card i say the same thing I I straight [TS]

00:49:22   to say like this is nothing against [TS]

00:49:23   anybody but like I'm really not taking [TS]

00:49:25   any paper tonight honey laughs and [TS]

00:49:27   handed to me and I say can be super [TS]

00:49:28   honest with you [TS]

00:49:29   what should I do with this right like [TS]

00:49:32   are we supposed to set an appointment [TS]

00:49:33   for something I'm supposed to write your [TS]

00:49:35   name down in a book it's nothing against [TS]

00:49:37   you it's just like what do you do with [TS]

00:49:39   all those cars that look for [TS]

00:49:41   while you're sitting there looking for [TS]

00:49:42   state because i'm being honest and [TS]

00:49:44   honesty harms people say to somebody [TS]

00:49:46   they say hey Isabel let's have a zipper [TS]

00:49:48   seven meeting and you go like you know I [TS]

00:49:50   barely have time to love my daughter but [TS]

00:49:52   I I I mean this is nothing against you [TS]

00:49:54   but like how do you accept not you but [TS]

00:49:56   this person speaking I can't you accept [TS]

00:49:58   all those things [TS]

00:49:59   I could use that is that like his breath [TS]

00:50:02   is that paying out a lot of benefits and [TS]

00:50:04   here's the other problem so there are [TS]

00:50:05   people that there are people that follow [TS]

00:50:07   up this is the thing about people they [TS]

00:50:09   fall off about what will they send you [TS]

00:50:11   think they're like hey following up on [TS]

00:50:12   that on that handshake that we had at [TS]

00:50:14   that meeting just following up to say to [TS]

00:50:17   a show in a heart index cards you hand [TS]

00:50:20   him an index card Yusei start here when [TS]

00:50:22   I pretend to fall [TS]

00:50:23   nice meeting you have a good night [TS]

00:50:25   that's what do i do that ten times a [TS]

00:50:26   week I say when I pretend to fall go buy [TS]

00:50:28   this record is really good [TS]

00:50:29   is that here's the other thing is you a [TS]

00:50:30   little bit just to what drop me an email [TS]

00:50:33   and i'll tell you about that thing about [TS]

00:50:34   what I can and like the things on the [TS]

00:50:37   cock right that's like what like we just [TS]

00:50:39   talk for five minutes and now like we [TS]

00:50:41   got to do another thing but how does [TS]

00:50:42   that how does that scale but here's the [TS]

00:50:44   problem with these social media people [TS]

00:50:45   this is the problem the social media [TS]

00:50:46   thing is well you know that a WC ok so [TS]

00:50:49   why does that thing exists because it's [TS]

00:50:51   now a racket yeah there's action used to [TS]

00:50:55   talk we talk about things like you know [TS]

00:50:56   SEO social sector or search engine [TS]

00:50:58   optimization or search engine you know [TS]

00:51:00   marketing and that's still a thing but [TS]

00:51:02   now the thing is that people don't even [TS]

00:51:04   have fucking websites anymore I just [TS]

00:51:05   come finish our site is come to facebook [TS]

00:51:08   i just get on facebook because i turn my [TS]

00:51:10   account off so you don't exist for me [TS]

00:51:12   anymore [TS]

00:51:13   look I got in a huge argument with [TS]

00:51:15   Hodgman the other day because I was like [TS]

00:51:16   hey stop tweeting about your tumblr like [TS]

00:51:20   temple about your tumblr tweet about [TS]

00:51:21   your tweet don't stick to stick to [TS]

00:51:24   scramble and the best show on wfmu you [TS]

00:51:26   up trash bag he said he said first thing [TS]

00:51:32   don't tell me I'm doing it wrong and [TS]

00:51:34   second thing I i want to i want people [TS]

00:51:37   to go over to my tumblr because I like [TS]

00:51:38   it better and I'm like well screw you i [TS]

00:51:41   mean here's the thing is 7000 tumblr [TS]

00:51:43   followers and 700,000 Twitter followers [TS]

00:51:46   and he likes doing is tumblr better but [TS]

00:51:48   he's afraid to leave is 700,000 [TS]

00:51:51   followers called it's a difficult thing [TS]

00:51:53   to do it's very natural to want to [TS]

00:51:54   leverage one thing to another thing [TS]

00:51:55   everybody does it it's but you have to [TS]

00:51:58   be somewhat circumspect and everybody [TS]

00:51:59   makes their own decisions about that so [TS]

00:52:01   I was but I was bitching about this on [TS]

00:52:03   Twitter as you do on cheese and then [TS]

00:52:05   somebody on my facebook page says why am [TS]

00:52:08   I reading about the Sun facebook haha [TS]

00:52:10   because but it was ported over to my [TS]

00:52:13   facebook it i got called yeah everybody [TS]

00:52:16   does it I mean like here's the thing [TS]

00:52:18   though many tumblr is what I'm gonna do [TS]

00:52:20   I'm gonna get a tumblr here's what I'm [TS]

00:52:22   going to dominate a tumblr mad fucking [TS]

00:52:23   tweet about it on my facebook if you get [TS]

00:52:25   a tumble you should also get a twitter [TS]

00:52:26   that auto announces to your Twitter and [TS]

00:52:28   then you can retweet that [TS]

00:52:30   oh you can get something get something [TS]

00:52:32   that oughta to tell your Twitter's i'm [TS]

00:52:34   riding on all out i can take this to my [TS]

00:52:36   to my seminar mind here's my problem [TS]

00:52:39   every time you meet somebody who calls [TS]

00:52:41   himself his or him or herself a social [TS]

00:52:44   media expert or a social media [TS]

00:52:46   consultant is why I carry a fire [TS]

00:52:51   extinguisher everywhere I go because [TS]

00:52:52   when somebody says that to manage him [TS]

00:52:54   right in the face with the fire [TS]

00:52:55   not now what about the stream you got [TS]

00:52:57   the literal fire actually you know it's [TS]

00:52:59   an empty fire extinguisher at a that I [TS]

00:53:01   filled with sand and I just about up you [TS]

00:53:06   know when it will be X or devise a fire [TS]

00:53:08   if there's an electrical fire you got [TS]

00:53:10   saying to throw on it nothing wrong with [TS]

00:53:11   that if you're a social media expert i [TS]

00:53:13   want to see you have 1 million followers [TS]

00:53:15   most of it otherwise [TS]

00:53:17   Connect connect connect can I put a [TS]

00:53:18   little bit of sauce on that spaghetti [TS]

00:53:19   somebody comes to you and says hi I'm a [TS]

00:53:21   social media expert [TS]

00:53:22   I help people build their social media [TS]

00:53:23   presence whether that's SEO person [TS]

00:53:26   whether that is a social media person [TS]

00:53:27   with that any kind of service that [TS]

00:53:29   somebody does where they say I will make [TS]

00:53:31   you this thing hey look at me on this [TS]

00:53:34   what is your second tell me what the [TS]

00:53:38   second or third most successful site [TS]

00:53:41   you've ever done is besides around put [TS]

00:53:42   more pointedly show me one thing that [TS]

00:53:45   you've ever done [TS]

00:53:46   it's not about social media or SEO or [TS]

00:53:49   whatever show me one thing that's more [TS]

00:53:51   famous than your own site about SEO show [TS]

00:53:53   me one thing that is more famous than [TS]

00:53:55   your own fucking Twitter account about [TS]

00:53:56   social media marketing because I know [TS]

00:53:58   what I think you're somebody who's [TS]

00:53:59   really good at marketing yourself and [TS]

00:54:00   you got somebody else paying the freight [TS]

00:54:01   yeah and you know what you're never [TS]

00:54:03   going to turn Bob's winner barn into a [TS]

00:54:05   facebook sensation they're never going [TS]

00:54:07   to be as popular because all you do all [TS]

00:54:09   day is fucking have social media [TS]

00:54:10   bullshit about social media bullshit [TS]

00:54:11   it's all the way down John this is this [TS]

00:54:14   is what's wrong with Seattle this is one [TS]

00:54:15   musician will move back to Seattle yeah [TS]

00:54:17   I say this very thing anytime somebody [TS]

00:54:19   offers me relationship advice [TS]

00:54:21   I'm like have you been married for 40 [TS]

00:54:23   years and raised five kids [TS]

00:54:24   to adulthood then shut up and go back to [TS]

00:54:27   mind your own business okay do anything [TS]

00:54:29   but if you're really good at breaking up [TS]

00:54:31   with people [TS]

00:54:32   oh that kind of relationship advice [TS]

00:54:34   that's the thing i could write a book [TS]

00:54:36   about who the cloud selling short i [TS]

00:54:39   could break up with somebody and they [TS]

00:54:41   don't even realize it until your [TS]

00:54:43   thousand miles away [TS]

00:54:45   wait a minute did I just get broken up [TS]

00:54:46   with wait a minute too late [TS]

00:54:49   the ninja ninjas gone you know why can't [TS]

00:54:52   that happen to me once already go write [TS]

00:54:54   me a check that that's like that's a [TS]

00:54:56   goddamn shame you know because you know [TS]

00:54:59   what sporting we should talk about the [TS]

00:55:00   internet that makes me mad though you [TS]

00:55:02   know it's one thing to go like I'm going [TS]

00:55:03   to go and you know what you see is what [TS]

00:55:04   the fucking comics the quote-unquote [TS]

00:55:06   funny people on the Twitter whatever [TS]

00:55:08   type of the funny pages [TS]

00:55:10   you're not gonna like a newspaper yeah i [TS]

00:55:12   was i I have a whole have a whole [TS]

00:55:14   grievance about the newspaper phonies [TS]

00:55:17   but you go ahead and talk about comics [TS]

00:55:18   know the other comics [TS]

00:55:20   no I just think it's I think it's a [TS]

00:55:21   little bit you know what ironic [TS]

00:55:23   paradoxical that some of the most first [TS]

00:55:25   of all some of those joyless people in [TS]

00:55:26   the universe make a living theoretically [TS]

00:55:28   making people laugh well there's some [TS]

00:55:30   bad but then you go on Twitter and [TS]

00:55:31   they're not even funny it's just an [TS]

00:55:33   external catch me at the Laugh Shack in [TS]

00:55:34   pasadena yeah like that's not for me [TS]

00:55:36   that's not that's not even like you know [TS]

00:55:39   tim and eric and meta anti funny like [TS]

00:55:42   going directly i like tumeric and I [TS]

00:55:44   don't like spiders a great guy but he [TS]

00:55:45   made him I i have not met her but i but [TS]

00:55:48   I hear I hear nice things about it when [TS]

00:55:50   you gonna choose me at leoch rich guy [TS]

00:55:51   well you know leaves a busy guy make [TS]

00:55:54   your hand making up making famous I had [TS]

00:55:56   responded to brad bird today which I [TS]

00:55:58   very seldom do with famous people [TS]

00:56:00   yeah and what does he replied no no I [TS]

00:56:02   don't need that yeah just very popular [TS]

00:56:04   twitter i don't think people respond did [TS]

00:56:06   you see the Adam Savage thing [TS]

00:56:08   mm maybe somebody's house up Adam Savage [TS]

00:56:10   covered the commander thinks aloud on on [TS]

00:56:13   piano right piano you that's all I can I [TS]

00:56:15   told you the time one of the times i was [TS]

00:56:17   in his man cave he was playing the [TS]

00:56:19   ultimate record [TS]

00:56:20   yeah well you got like see you I think [TS]

00:56:22   he liked going to be covered on stage [TS]

00:56:23   and now it's a now it's a a YouTube [TS]

00:56:26   that's another YouTube plug God let me [TS]

00:56:28   ask you this about YouTube what is the [TS]

00:56:30   deal with all the ukulele covers when [TS]

00:56:32   did that become a thing every time I [TS]

00:56:33   look for a song now there's like there's [TS]

00:56:35   like a bunch of people with like other [TS]

00:56:37   kids [TS]

00:56:38   Peter taking a picture themselves [TS]

00:56:39   playing ukulele song here's the thing [TS]

00:56:41   about the ukulele ok it is actually [TS]

00:56:44   pretty easy to play not fair with a like [TS]

00:56:48   a French horn or be soon not well it is [TS]

00:56:51   easy to play not well but you can pick [TS]

00:56:53   up a ukulele and very quickly you can be [TS]

00:56:56   playing music which is something that [TS]

00:56:58   you can't say about the bassoon you [TS]

00:57:00   can't really even do that with the [TS]

00:57:01   guitar and certainly not the piano but [TS]

00:57:03   you can't be able to deal with an elbow [TS]

00:57:05   you cannot play good music on an oboe [TS]

00:57:07   first i've never done [TS]

00:57:08   yeah it hasn't been but ukulele so [TS]

00:57:11   ukulele is like the it's the it's the [TS]

00:57:13   gateway drug to making twee pop music [TS]

00:57:17   and there's really nothing that doesn't [TS]

00:57:19   sound good on you play and here's the [TS]

00:57:20   thing if you are great [TS]

00:57:23   ukulele assist it still sounds like [TS]

00:57:26   you're playing a child's toy like even [TS]

00:57:29   the best UK lyst it's still like Lincoln [TS]

00:57:32   deeply think people could be playing but [TS]

00:57:34   it is no don't get me wrong no I'm not [TS]

00:57:36   gonna I'm not gonna go i'm not gonna go [TS]

00:57:38   anti ukulele yeah that was a wonderful [TS]

00:57:40   instrument sounds really it sounds [TS]

00:57:41   really cool i love that it's so what not [TS]

00:57:43   democratic [TS]

00:57:45   that's it's easy enough to pick up i [TS]

00:57:46   think that's great we've talked before [TS]

00:57:47   about how basically you could be a [TS]

00:57:49   retarded person and get okay guitar it's [TS]

00:57:51   not a harness and friends play French [TS]

00:57:52   horn she had to practice a lot [TS]

00:57:54   no yes french oral because they have to [TS]

00:57:56   build up their lips when you get your [TS]

00:57:58   fist in there you have to have amazing [TS]

00:57:59   lips mmm nice embouchure you ever make [TS]

00:58:02   out with a French horn player [TS]

00:58:03   yeah they could they could squeeze the [TS]

00:58:06   top of the Mesa job she had she had [TS]

00:58:08   probably four octave range with her [TS]

00:58:10   mouth she had an extraordinary on our [TS]

00:58:13   control [TS]

00:58:13   no I'm serious I don't know what was [TS]

00:58:15   going on i was making out with four [TS]

00:58:16   people [TS]

00:58:17   yeah it's great she bought me breakfast [TS]

00:58:18   to was nice my god you let her go but [TS]

00:58:21   you gotta protect them all go that's [TS]

00:58:23   part of my relationship advice a hard [TS]

00:58:26   time so anyway ukulele now like so like [TS]

00:58:29   six years ago there were no ukuleles now [TS]

00:58:31   they're all ukuleles I don't know what I [TS]

00:58:33   don't know what to tell you it's like [TS]

00:58:34   it's um but but that's it I guess that's [TS]

00:58:38   the thing it seems like there's a lot of [TS]

00:58:39   ukulele covers you don't seem like just [TS]

00:58:41   don't want to belabor the point but you [TS]

00:58:43   don't see a lot of French horn covers on [TS]

00:58:44   youtube [TS]

00:58:45   no you don't and I predict that I [TS]

00:58:46   predict two years from now it's going to [TS]

00:58:47   be this is either everybody has in their [TS]

00:58:49   what about that [TS]

00:58:50   the screaming lady with the harp have [TS]

00:58:52   hearts caught onto the screen little [TS]

00:58:54   carps are a expensive be huge and see [TS]

00:58:57   really hard to play know people prefer [TS]

00:59:00   to look at Joanna Newsome from from from [TS]

00:59:03   a respectful distance I think I don't [TS]

00:59:05   nobody perfect way to listen to [TS]

00:59:07   although i did Judge a local like teen [TS]

00:59:11   music competition assist the school of [TS]

00:59:14   rock thing I don't know it's a different [TS]

00:59:16   things but EMP put this thing on the [TS]

00:59:18   teen student music competition called [TS]

00:59:21   sound off and I judged it one year and [TS]

00:59:24   there was a girl playing the solo harp [TS]

00:59:26   and sit and yodelin I was like well i [TS]

00:59:29   guess i didn't think that this was a [TS]

00:59:31   thing but now it's going to be a thing [TS]

00:59:32   you know what I'll say this i don't [TS]

00:59:34   think it's an ad for YouTube you go and [TS]

00:59:35   you watch anything with any of the Marx [TS]

00:59:37   Brothers play an instrument and [TS]

00:59:39   delightful those guys are massively [TS]

00:59:41   talented just watching much chick about [TS]

00:59:43   play the piano with dual gun thing I'm [TS]

00:59:45   telling you my heart- with that when he [TS]

00:59:46   knew what he was doing on that harp [TS]

00:59:48   that's right yeah i mean that you have [TS]

00:59:50   probably Harpo for nothing what is it [TS]

00:59:52   duck soup the one thing everyone says i [TS]

00:59:54   love you [TS]

00:59:54   yeah you know I between the two of us [TS]

00:59:57   now you know I say it you can say Daria [TS]

00:59:59   I [TS]

00:59:59   I [TS]

01:00:00   maybe the John and you may be the ball [TS]

01:00:02   of Robert on the line but you are [TS]

01:00:04   definitely going to be the Marx Brothers [TS]

01:00:06   authority that's what I loved [TS]

01:00:09   I know you do and you are you are love [TS]

01:00:11   techno music they love you deeply [TS]

01:00:13   respected out there in the world [TS]

01:00:15   please don't everywhere I go to Santa [TS]

01:00:17   Hoffs bob marley apparently it's pretty [TS]

01:00:18   good constant presence I wasn't [TS]

01:00:21   concentrating fan they did I think they [TS]

01:00:22   did a flip a single flip 12 inches [TS]

01:00:25   something with built to spill it wasn't [TS]

01:00:26   super into it it was a it was a split it [TS]

01:00:29   was a split with built to spill plastic [TS]

01:00:31   resin is it's more caustic it's much [TS]

01:00:33   more cost again and somewhat more [TS]

01:00:35   resonance anymore resident here's a [TS]

01:00:38   funny think I this is so fucking bored [TS]

01:00:40   you know what their kids asset [TS]

01:00:41   what does that have to do with a bomb [TS]

01:00:43   that's a marijuana ok kids love their [TS]

01:00:46   marijuana [TS]

01:00:46   there's a lot of smoke plasma now the [TS]

01:00:48   guy who did the Hurricanes cassette is [TS]

01:00:52   the same guy who did nothing wrong with [TS]

01:00:53   love.flac right black graduate he [TS]

01:00:56   actually produced it was he like behind [TS]

01:00:57   the faders feel like it's still feel [TS]

01:00:59   like when I first moved to Seattle I [TS]

01:01:02   worked at a club called the offer and [TS]

01:01:03   Phil act was the best the grungees hear [TS]

01:01:05   that was the ground museum and fill that [TS]

01:01:07   was the assistant soundman so I was 21 [TS]

01:01:11   feel like was 19 or something he was [TS]

01:01:13   like he was there were two sound guys [TS]

01:01:15   and phil was the kind of younger [TS]

01:01:16   apprentice he shouldn't have even been [TS]

01:01:18   in the bar he was too young to be in the [TS]

01:01:19   bar and we knew each other during that [TS]

01:01:21   era and then but I never you know I knew [TS]

01:01:26   it was Phil I didn't I didn't know his [TS]

01:01:28   last name kinda we work together every [TS]

01:01:29   day at this bar but I never never knew [TS]

01:01:31   his last name and then that first built [TS]

01:01:34   to spill record came out which he didn't [TS]

01:01:36   produce but then he did produce the [TS]

01:01:37   second one and this name phil x starts [TS]

01:01:41   ringing out everybody's talking about [TS]

01:01:42   feel like I'm like wow fill at kennison [TS]

01:01:44   gotta I gotta figure out who this guy is [TS]

01:01:46   the jokey outro yeah yeah only now don't [TS]

01:01:49   want the next thing that interconnect [TS]

01:01:51   built to spill record great i'll pick [TS]

01:01:52   you in the head and a kick in the head [TS]

01:01:54   and yeah um anyway during this whole [TS]

01:01:57   time during the whole nineties I'm [TS]

01:01:58   bumping into this guy Phil that I used [TS]

01:02:00   to know from the rock club i'm seeing [TS]

01:02:02   him on the sidewalk hey fellas going [TS]

01:02:04   we'd sit and talk for a minute will be [TS]

01:02:06   alright see you later and simultaneously [TS]

01:02:09   I'm thinking god this guy feel like is [TS]

01:02:11   making these amazing records and [TS]

01:02:13   you know how do you even get to know a [TS]

01:02:14   guy like that how do you even meet a guy [TS]

01:02:16   like Phil back he's got to be living in [TS]

01:02:18   a haha you're looking at you didn't put [TS]

01:02:20   it together [TS]

01:02:21   no I didn't know there was the same guy [TS]

01:02:22   I'm like he's gonna be living in a [TS]

01:02:23   castle somewhere it's got to be driving [TS]

01:02:25   everywhere in a white stretch limo like [TS]

01:02:27   Felix making these incredible built to [TS]

01:02:29   spill record he's handsome and it wasn't [TS]

01:02:31   until he's very tall man it wasn't until [TS]

01:02:34   the very late nineties I've got the [TS]

01:02:39   Western State hurricanes together and [TS]

01:02:40   we're talking about making a record and [TS]

01:02:43   and one of the people in my band is like [TS]

01:02:46   well you know what I know for lack and I [TS]

01:02:48   might really you know feel like that's [TS]

01:02:50   amazing do you think he would work on [TS]

01:02:52   this with us [TS]

01:02:53   oh yeah i think i can get him to do this [TS]

01:02:54   you know i think i'm going to do a demo [TS]

01:02:56   for us like oh that would be incredible [TS]

01:02:58   on me huge fan of his album and I swear [TS]

01:03:02   to you I'm still running into the guy on [TS]

01:03:04   the sidewalk on a semi weekly basis like [TS]

01:03:07   a there's a little guy how's it going [TS]

01:03:08   man you know what's up Lu and for [TS]

01:03:11   whatever reason you know I just assumed [TS]

01:03:12   he was working sound in a club somewhere [TS]

01:03:14   and you know who knows i wasn't paying [TS]

01:03:17   attention so I swear to you we show up [TS]

01:03:22   for a meeting with Philip degrees to do [TS]

01:03:24   our demo and we show up for a meeting [TS]

01:03:27   and walk into the studio so he's gonna [TS]

01:03:29   listen to our you know our practice [TS]

01:03:32   space tape and I'm like what your felek [TS]

01:03:35   like and he's like yeah you didn't know [TS]

01:03:39   that and I'm like no I thought you would [TS]

01:03:43   fill from the off-ramp he's like yeah [TS]

01:03:46   great [TS]

01:03:48   good work like oh my god i was [TS]

01:03:51   astonished because you're John Roderick [TS]

01:03:53   no no he I mean he you know he had not [TS]

01:03:56   first of all he was not thinking he [TS]

01:03:58   probably had to fill out some forms with [TS]

01:04:00   your name on it he was thinking oh my [TS]

01:04:03   god i can't wait to work with John [TS]

01:04:04   Roderick certainly not at the time he [TS]

01:04:07   was just thinking on that guy but but [TS]

01:04:09   he's done some heavy hitters it looks [TS]

01:04:11   like a lot of these gifts that if you [TS]

01:04:13   elect so if you look at all the records [TS]

01:04:15   that feel like has made at the band of [TS]

01:04:16   horses get the fleet foxes whatever that [TS]

01:04:18   is you gotta hit the shins about that [TS]

01:04:21   yeah he has made he basically felt like [TS]

01:04:23   is basically what [TS]

01:04:25   in quarter of what is good about indie [TS]

01:04:27   rock in the world you know he says [TS]

01:04:31   before here another with that he's been [TS]

01:04:32   behind a lot of the classic records huh [TS]

01:04:35   yeah must be weird to live there and how [TS]

01:04:37   you live there [TS]

01:04:38   that's what you're looking at a break [TS]

01:04:39   sometimes don't you think you need to go [TS]

01:04:40   have a by year and and try another place [TS]

01:04:43   for a while or are your roots so deep in [TS]

01:04:45   there [TS]

01:04:46   no I mean I travel for travel for a [TS]

01:04:48   living so I'm everybody everybody let's [TS]

01:04:50   get you certainly have at least two feet [TS]

01:04:52   and in Seattle but you're saying you get [TS]

01:04:54   away long enough to come back feels [TS]

01:04:55   fresh again I'm in New York five times a [TS]

01:04:57   year for a week [TS]

01:04:58   I'm in LA you know a few times a year [TS]

01:05:00   for a week [TS]

01:05:01   I get a week here a week there we care [TS]

01:05:03   what they're certainly when i'm on tour [TS]

01:05:05   I'm gone for four three months here [TS]

01:05:07   although i haven't been doing that for [TS]

01:05:09   the last few years but now I think about [TS]

01:05:11   living other places but you know when i [TS]

01:05:13   get back from a tour and I've been to [TS]

01:05:15   all kinds of places all all over cities [TS]

01:05:18   in Europe where at one time they're [TS]

01:05:19   thinking about man i should move here [TS]

01:05:22   san francisco all the great cities all [TS]

01:05:25   the great cities i get back to Seattle [TS]

01:05:27   I'm like well the air is really smells [TS]

01:05:31   nice here and the living is easy [TS]

01:05:34   uh-huh and I could be I could be like [TS]

01:05:37   huffing rat entrails in new york city or [TS]

01:05:41   I could be down in la living in a place [TS]

01:05:42   where no one ever comes and I never see [TS]

01:05:44   anybody or I could be in san francisco [TS]

01:05:46   haven't hobos vomit on me or living in [TS]

01:05:49   Berlin with all the other 20 year olds [TS]

01:05:51   but Seattle is is a it's it's a pretty [TS]

01:05:56   nice place you know makes you love your [TS]

01:05:59   town is applebees not applebees or dad [TS]

01:06:03   like applebees I got busted my love that [TS]

01:06:05   guy [TS]

01:06:05   you know it's funny when I I'm so hard [TS]

01:06:08   on San Francisco because somebody needs [TS]

01:06:10   to be [TS]

01:06:10   yeah it's really stupid town but i'll go [TS]

01:06:13   somewhere and I'll miss my family i'll [TS]

01:06:14   be sitting there [TS]

01:06:16   this is why i have a thing on my phone [TS]

01:06:17   help me find steak it's very hard to [TS]

01:06:19   find like normal food places because [TS]

01:06:21   everywhere you go it's just it's just [TS]

01:06:23   226 lane highways and applebees now [TS]

01:06:26   maybe an outback if you're lucky and you [TS]

01:06:28   know 44 @ you know I'm just saying you [TS]

01:06:30   know what scooters a chilis i'll come on [TS]

01:06:33   really give you this big platter ready [TS]

01:06:35   what's the ball was talking about the [TS]

01:06:36   bird with Jack Daniels bourbon rib plate [TS]

01:06:39   yeah Jack Daniels broken rib plate my [TS]

01:06:40   god it's like a it's like a it's like [TS]

01:06:42   it's it's it's I don't know if it's [TS]

01:06:44   tragic or or inspiring that the world [TS]

01:06:47   greatest creativity happening in America [TS]

01:06:49   today is the shit they come up with [TS]

01:06:51   places like chili's where there's [TS]

01:06:53   daggering have 25 ingredients and make [TS]

01:06:55   7,000 exactly exactly [TS]

01:06:57   it's it's like one of those I quit the [TS]

01:06:59   Apollo like we got all of the box full [TS]

01:07:01   of stuff here like keep these guys same [TS]

01:07:02   thing they've got up in the in the in [TS]

01:07:04   the capsule you know driving around [TS]

01:07:05   Mississippi one time and it was sunday [TS]

01:07:07   night and everything was closed like [TS]

01:07:09   they turned off the stoplights because [TS]

01:07:11   you weren't supposed to be out you know [TS]

01:07:13   what I mean like nothing was on we're [TS]

01:07:16   driving around this town or starving to [TS]

01:07:17   death and it's like oh my god i didn't [TS]

01:07:19   realize that they still closed they [TS]

01:07:21   rolled up the sidewalks at seven p.m. on [TS]

01:07:24   sunday night in Mississippi drive around [TS]

01:07:26   out what are we going to do with their [TS]

01:07:28   not the grocery stores even open and [TS]

01:07:30   then like a beacon in the distance this [TS]

01:07:33   you know this red glow to sort of [TS]

01:07:35   throbbing we had There and it's a [TS]

01:07:38   Chili's and I had never been to chili's [TS]

01:07:40   because I thought it was some kind of [TS]

01:07:42   thought it was mass-market mexican food [TS]

01:07:45   and I like Mexican food I don't want to [TS]

01:07:47   have the experience destroyed for me [TS]

01:07:49   we go into this children's and I'm just [TS]

01:07:51   I'm the guy who's standing there like [TS]

01:07:53   I'm starving to death but i don't wanna [TS]

01:07:55   be in here like whenever the rest of you [TS]

01:07:57   guys my banner like this is fine let's [TS]

01:07:59   just be here like ah I hate this but ok [TS]

01:08:02   I'm too hungry to argue we sit down in [TS]

01:08:06   the cute little waitress comes over and [TS]

01:08:08   she gives me 7,000 kinds of mexi fries [TS]

01:08:11   and ribs and corn and spend and garlic [TS]

01:08:16   shrimp and chicken fingers and like a [TS]

01:08:21   little side ramekin of vitamin D and [TS]

01:08:24   I've gotta you know like a a drink in a [TS]

01:08:27   pineapple with a carrot sticking out of [TS]

01:08:29   it and you know and they put they put [TS]

01:08:32   little pointy shoes on my feet that curl [TS]

01:08:34   over there little bells on the end and [TS]

01:08:36   somebody gives me a handjob and I'm like [TS]

01:08:38   this is the greatest restaurant in the [TS]

01:08:40   world and the whole thing the whole meal [TS]

01:08:42   was like twenty dollars for for and [TS]

01:08:45   their-their so grateful were there to [TS]

01:08:47   that [TS]

01:08:48   the other thing they're like thank you [TS]

01:08:49   so much for coming to chilis come on [TS]

01:08:51   back [TS]

01:08:52   I'm like I will go back to keep these [TS]

01:08:56   shoes i love these shoes never Chile's [TS]

01:09:02   is identical that right [TS]

01:09:04   do they all still talk like that thank [TS]

01:09:06   you so much for coming [TS]

01:09:07   chillers I i I'm trying to remember [TS]

01:09:09   there's a lot of those restaurants like [TS]

01:09:11   that but I mean pretty much that I think [TS]

01:09:12   the pattern through all of them is they [TS]

01:09:14   raise whatever was there before you know [TS]

01:09:15   some of you go to your dentist and it [TS]

01:09:17   used to be a Shakey's yeah or like you [TS]

01:09:19   know there's a lot of like your ology [TS]

01:09:20   clinics used to be a pizza hut all the [TS]

01:09:22   time restaurants in seattle our [TS]

01:09:24   international house of pancakes [TS]

01:09:26   is that right you did they change the [TS]

01:09:27   sign just a little bit that they take [TS]

01:09:29   the sign down and it's just a it's just [TS]

01:09:31   a a blue roof a frame as you as you have [TS]

01:09:36   in traditional Thai communities a blue [TS]

01:09:37   roof shellay is the international house [TS]

01:09:40   of rock of panfu you know what i'm [TS]

01:09:44   talking about no no I'm talking about [TS]

01:09:46   like there is there's a there's a chain [TS]

01:09:49   in terrible change in Florida called the [TS]

01:09:52   clock restaurant and of course the thing [TS]

01:09:54   was a big clock on the sign and when [TS]

01:09:55   these these carpetbaggers came in after [TS]

01:09:58   that place closed they just they spent [TS]

01:10:00   like me and our changing the sign to say [TS]

01:10:01   that the old look restaurant that sort [TS]

01:10:04   of do look I i could see that being like [TS]

01:10:09   instead of Shaky's it might be like [TS]

01:10:11   babies Yankee clinic piggies dentist's [TS]

01:10:15   office is your name dr. bakey now we [TS]

01:10:18   just had the sign was that there's a [TS]

01:10:20   there's a buffet and tallahassee to go [TS]

01:10:22   to because that's all the restaurants [TS]

01:10:23   are all my face and there's one there's [TS]

01:10:25   a really really inscrutable korean [TS]

01:10:27   buffet you went in there and it was [TS]

01:10:29   super bizarre you know kind of phase [TS]

01:10:31   with a really cheap and they didn't say [TS]

01:10:33   it was a trick inscrutable korean buffet [TS]

01:10:36   I'm not done you know what ya hun [TS]

01:10:38   following that one finds it that's so [TS]

01:10:39   ping pong they make great radios and [TS]

01:10:43   usually they're suitable when talking [TS]

01:10:45   about Asian people have a lot of quest [TS]

01:10:47   to help understand with ping-pong is but [TS]

01:10:49   I can explain that you go in there and [TS]

01:10:51   you know the kind of cheap but not [TS]

01:10:52   cheaper face let's say they're just [TS]

01:10:53   penurious you go in and they don't feel [TS]

01:10:55   the tray with ribs there's like six [TS]

01:10:58   kids on some iceberg lettuce and put on [TS]

01:11:00   more when people like that it's just a [TS]

01:11:03   really really weird place and so you [TS]

01:11:05   know already i think the bar for korean [TS]

01:11:07   BBQ in Tallahassee is relatively low [TS]

01:11:09   you're not gonna get a lot of [TS]

01:11:11   international is coming in there and [TS]

01:11:13   going what the fuck is this right all [TS]

01:11:15   this kimchi like you know you're getting [TS]

01:11:16   a lot of people in there who are like oh [TS]

01:11:18   she would go to settings for BBQ should [TS]

01:11:19   we go to the for like half a BBQ should [TS]

01:11:22   go here for buffet sushi boo feat buffet [TS]

01:11:24   chinese or should we just go to the [TS]

01:11:26   screws creepy little korean place which [TS]

01:11:27   is my story in an old pizza but you in [TS]

01:11:31   there I my hand of god that's happened [TS]

01:11:32   we went in there we sat down and the [TS]

01:11:34   owner was one of those like really [TS]

01:11:37   outgoing like constantly asking you [TS]

01:11:39   about things and saying things you can [TS]

01:11:41   understand and right just talking [TS]

01:11:43   talking talking the whole time because [TS]

01:11:44   all the guys that on Korean barbecues [TS]

01:11:46   and our Korean mafia and they all on the [TS]

01:11:48   same time it's not you it's [TS]

01:11:51   Christmastime right it's got a picture [TS]

01:11:52   of Santa Claus on I could look at it was [TS]

01:11:54   so wide and he at one point he came up [TS]

01:11:56   he said bring you live here [TS]

01:11:58   oh you can't give fat our food and I was [TS]

01:12:01   like what the fuck does that even mean [TS]

01:12:03   but one point he came on because [TS]

01:12:04   everything is good or like it was [TS]

01:12:06   delicious and single camping trip finger [TS]

01:12:11   camping for finger camping trip my hand [TS]

01:12:13   to God six people the table every single [TS]

01:12:15   person had him say finger heard him say [TS]

01:12:16   finger camping trip and to this day that [TS]

01:12:19   was probably almost 20 years ago and I [TS]

01:12:22   still have no fucking idea what that [TS]

01:12:24   means [TS]

01:12:24   yeah well I'm still reeling just [TS]

01:12:27   emotionally really awesome you're [TS]

01:12:28   incredibly insensitive portrayal of [TS]

01:12:31   asian-americans how many korean BBQ [TS]

01:12:34   buffets have you been to that we're [TS]

01:12:36   screwed about be honest in a pizza hut [TS]

01:12:40   pizza hut i went to one in New York [TS]

01:12:42   korean BBQ and on the menu were both [TS]

01:12:46   ostrich and kangaroo and I guess like [TS]

01:12:50   getting lobster in Mississippi [TS]

01:12:52   steakhouse nice but it's new its new [TS]

01:12:55   york right so so it is entirely [TS]

01:12:57   plausible that they that they re [TS]

01:13:00   commissioned an SST and flew this stuff [TS]

01:13:03   from Australia it you know that that [TS]

01:13:06   you a live ostrich alive they're very [TS]

01:13:09   industrious people that are not afraid [TS]

01:13:11   to put a little bit of money behind [TS]

01:13:12   bring a bird to the country right and I [TS]

01:13:15   had this I had both things kangaroo and [TS]

01:13:17   ostrich at this korean BBQ and i have to [TS]

01:13:19   say that that you are correct it wasn't [TS]

01:13:23   scramble some ping-pong typical I'm [TS]

01:13:28   taking vitamin D one or more is once I [TS]

01:13:31   took too much vitamin e and my hair fell [TS]

01:13:32   out [TS]

01:13:33   well I'm not taking vitamins and games [TS]

01:13:35   boners talk about vitamin D that's what [TS]

01:13:36   they have in milk for a long time they [TS]

01:13:37   said you can't take too much time do is [TS]

01:13:39   bad for you then you get the whole like [TS]

01:13:40   no that's not it turns out that's not [TS]

01:13:42   actually true [TS]

01:13:43   and now you're taking vitamin D what's [TS]

01:13:44   it doing for you well so I went to the [TS]

01:13:46   doctor like I would like I said at the [TS]

01:13:47   beginning of this thing and he said you [TS]

01:13:51   got all your vitamins you're fine except [TS]

01:13:53   one thing you don't have any vitamin D [TS]

01:13:54   in your body [TS]

01:13:55   let me at all you need all this vitamin [TS]

01:13:57   D and you've got like trace amounts of [TS]

01:13:59   vitamin T and I said is there no vitamin [TS]

01:14:03   D and haagen dazs because I eat a gallon [TS]

01:14:05   of haagen-dazs every six hours and he [TS]

01:14:08   was like well not enough for you you [TS]

01:14:10   need to get into the Sun it is a thing [TS]

01:14:12   that happens when you go in the Sun you [TS]

01:14:14   get vitamin D and I said isn't there [TS]

01:14:17   another way because i don't want to [TS]

01:14:18   order the Sun and he said yes there's [TS]

01:14:22   another way you can take it from a [TS]

01:14:23   pharmacy in a in a little bit take [TS]

01:14:25   whatever with every meal i went got some [TS]

01:14:28   vitamin e and I'm it's too early to say [TS]

01:14:31   that I'm feeling better [TS]

01:14:32   yeah but uh but it's nice that it's nice [TS]

01:14:36   to think that there is a that there is [TS]

01:14:38   there something chemically wrong with me [TS]

01:14:40   rather than that there's something [TS]

01:14:42   spiritually wrong with god that has been [TS]

01:14:44   such a consolation for me when I figured [TS]

01:14:47   that out the spirituality thing you can [TS]

01:14:50   spend a lot of time running down that [TS]

01:14:51   path [TS]

01:14:52   no boy no I'm saying what chemicals they [TS]

01:14:54   got solutions for that listen I don't [TS]

01:14:56   want to have to delete the next three [TS]

01:14:57   hours of this conversation [TS]

01:14:59   ok so what do you notice what's the deal [TS]

01:15:02   for you drop well I used to have a kind [TS]

01:15:05   of their service they have been walking [TS]

01:15:06   around the cloud over me 4a and a [TS]

01:15:09   figurative cloud in addition to electric [TS]

01:15:11   literal [TS]

01:15:12   enovia now the and which one of the [TS]

01:15:15   lifted i think both i can i can see the [TS]

01:15:18   Sun take vitamin D and I don't feel like [TS]

01:15:21   I'm i don't feel like i'm looking at the [TS]

01:15:23   world through pantyhose anymore [TS]

01:15:27   also also he's got robbing banks [TS]