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Ep. 18: "Main Pastrami Incisor"

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0:00:00well hi John how are you I'm Merlin man

0:00:10i'll never get sick of it

0:00:13you know what I'm gonna make it I gotta

0:00:14work on the song thing this is getting

0:00:16out of hand

0:00:17the problem was that like for us this

0:00:19already the problem with that being a

0:00:20theme song is that the next line is

0:00:22don't mean a thing

0:00:24oh you Merlin man's don't mean a thing

0:00:28to me but that's not true you do mean

0:00:31something to me and uh huh

0:00:33and so it's it's hard for me to sing

0:00:35that even though its it's stuck in my

0:00:38head

0:00:39whoo-hoo because because i can't because

0:00:41the sentiment doesn't reflect my true

0:00:43feelings through art party says Jermaine

0:00:47and other parts is tito now is that

0:00:50nasty boys is that what you're saying

0:00:51yeah it's a it's janet is a lot of

0:00:54controversy about this John people i

0:00:56think people have made the argument

0:00:57persuasively that you're actually

0:00:58singing something different

0:01:00I don't want your musician your

0:01:01professional musician I'm not going to

0:01:02tell you what the people have ten years

0:01:04me all you have to do is hold up that

0:01:07that a that web app or that that iphone

0:01:10app up to the stereos to see how how bad

0:01:14technology is at identifying songs say

0:01:17what buddy that has come a long way

0:01:18since that day you and I tried to find

0:01:22your son's come with very long way it

0:01:23has come a long way but the prop my

0:01:24problem is that the songs that I want to

0:01:26identify i'm usually listening to in a

0:01:30crowded supermarket at really low volume

0:01:33and I hold my phone up in the air to try

0:01:36and get the to try and get the audio but

0:01:39there clattering shopping carts and

0:01:42yelling kids and the thing can't it

0:01:44can't sort the music out from them what

0:01:46you know what it needs to do it needs to

0:01:48use hearing aid technology from as I

0:01:51think they're perfecting hearing aids

0:01:53that can sort out the background noise

0:01:54and focus the attention of the device on

0:01:58the on the the interesting part i read

0:02:01an article about this is not blasting

0:02:02the high mids and it simply it's a huge

0:02:05move forward in the technology last

0:02:07thing the Hyneman I can hear anything

0:02:08more John I

0:02:10i I just not even like my eyesight my

0:02:12hearing is all going to hell I'm going

0:02:14to need something like that iphone app

0:02:15just a halter so i can understand what

0:02:18kind of dressing they have at the

0:02:19restaurant I'll I'll and bed at night

0:02:21and listen to the symphony of whistling

0:02:25and whining happening in my ears and I'm

0:02:28alone in my house it's not like it's

0:02:30some girl next to me whistling and

0:02:31whining know the sound of my own ears

0:02:34slowly disintegrating you have the

0:02:37tinnitus

0:02:38yeah I never had it before i went to

0:02:42rock shows for 25 years I never had a

0:02:44whistling in my ear and then i went to a

0:02:47bachelor party of a friend of mine where

0:02:49we were firing ak-47 as you do and you

0:02:56know you you were in this bunker of a

0:02:59firing range cement wall cement floor

0:03:02cement ceiling and everybody gets done

0:03:05shooting their guns and we all take our

0:03:06ear phones off to sit and talk about how

0:03:10great the guns are and then everyone

0:03:13gets back into firing position and i

0:03:15have my earphone off on my right ear

0:03:18I just forgot to put it back and

0:03:20somebody shoots a bullet and the the

0:03:23sound echoes around this concrete room

0:03:26and goes right into my ear and I knew

0:03:30right then like oh I have done permanent

0:03:31damage to myself and sure enough

0:03:36still now two years later you could get

0:03:42that was I remember you talking about

0:03:44that was two years ago

0:03:45yeah and I and I went I went to an ER

0:03:47doctor and he was like oh and he was one

0:03:49of these doctors with the bedside manner

0:03:51of a person that had been unfrozen from

0:03:55a glacier like like he had only just met

0:04:00modern humans today and you know I'm

0:04:04asking him questions about like this

0:04:06matters to me like my ears are kind of

0:04:08my are part of my job and are you

0:04:10whistling what does allow that's a

0:04:13that's a siren I was I'm sorry I gashed

0:04:15away definitely to try i thought i could

0:04:17play it off the jit I thought John still

0:04:19gonna be talking about his hearing and

0:04:20run back and i got totally clocked

0:04:22because there was a just siren and I you

0:04:24don't like that this program i'm

0:04:25extremely sorry that I did that was

0:04:27inappropriate

0:04:28that's hilarious no it's not it's not I

0:04:30I I apologized saying I'm sorry I'm very

0:04:32focused when I'm time do I thought you

0:04:34had gone to the other side of the room

0:04:35and whistled to try and test my hearing

0:04:37which would have been a very clever move

0:04:39that's break you

0:04:41I can't hear it but I could hear it but

0:04:43in any case this doctor was like he was

0:04:45just a he was a bad doctor he was a bad

0:04:48doctor in parti-colored dockers i'm

0:04:51sorry i missed 30 seconds of this was

0:04:52your first indication that this is a bad

0:04:54doctor but be just had no bedside manner

0:04:58he you know he look every time you ask

0:05:00him to call every time I ask my question

0:05:01i don't know why i'm using the universal

0:05:02you every time I asked my question

0:05:05he acted like he had never been asked a

0:05:07question before I like it was an

0:05:08imposition on him but in any case he's

0:05:12an audiologist you want to do now he's a

0:05:14ear nose and throat no I guess not even

0:05:16a nose and throat he just does the ears

0:05:17and anna and he said oh well if you had

0:05:21come in to see me

0:05:23yeah within three days of the of a

0:05:25sustaining that injury we could have

0:05:27done something about it

0:05:29what a cock yeah and i was looking at

0:05:32some fucking morning after pill for

0:05:33further please

0:05:34I think they do they have a

0:05:35morning-after pill for her ear cut plan

0:05:38E but then the one hopeful thing the one

0:05:41hopeful thing he said he kind of like

0:05:43looked at me kind of confidentially

0:05:45after because I was trying to warm him

0:05:47up you know with the Aug you do with

0:05:48doctors

0:05:49when you meet him for the first time

0:05:50there's that thing of like oh you're a

0:05:53doctor and I I used to be in all of

0:05:56doctors before i had before a lot of my

0:05:58highschool friends became doctors and I

0:06:00realized that any dingus can be a doctor

0:06:02but you try and you know you try to warm

0:06:05up like this guy's gonna have his finger

0:06:06in my butter I mean obviously not the

0:06:08ear doctor but a doctor could put his

0:06:12finger in your butt you wasn't he's a

0:06:14doctor I mean he's giving advice

0:06:16well he's calling the shots he asking

0:06:18sounds I think that doctors could make

0:06:20the case that they probably feel your

0:06:21butt a little bit he leans in kind of

0:06:23confidential and he goes but just

0:06:26between you and me you know in the next

0:06:27couple of here couple years almost done

0:06:29in the next couple of years in the next

0:06:31couple of years

0:06:32we're going to have a thing to fix this

0:06:34tinnitus I guess any work but that's

0:06:37right that's right then he was like say

0:06:40no more i am you know like don't

0:06:42reference it again I was like really

0:06:44like new technology and he was like hmm

0:06:47did you book your book an appointment

0:06:49we're very close we're very close to a

0:06:51major breakthrough you should put the

0:06:53point of couple years from now check

0:06:54back in what was interesting to me was

0:06:56that this ear doctor at the polyclinic

0:06:58on broadway in seattle is somehow tapped

0:06:59into some like super super like deep in

0:07:03a mountainside lab your doctors that are

0:07:06very close to making this major

0:07:09breakthrough and I'm like what what did

0:07:11you just get back from a conference or

0:07:13something out you guys also like text

0:07:16each other

0:07:17how do you know I don't want to make

0:07:19this about world war two John but what

0:07:20if he's involved in some kind of noise

0:07:23commandos shorts commanders I said Mel

0:07:26Brooks joke haha sorry ocular mean I

0:07:29ocular means are ok with someone for

0:07:31years

0:07:32oral you can eat your killer what if

0:07:35he's an ear killer Manhattan Project

0:07:37have you thought about that he might be

0:07:39working with some of the great minds of

0:07:40Germany that he's lulled over here he

0:07:43somehow he somehow attracted the burner

0:07:45hurt Sox of of the eardrums to work on

0:07:48the city maybe he can't say anymore

0:07:50because it would you know obviously you

0:07:52can be trusted with a secret because you

0:07:53were at one point almost in Special

0:07:55Forces probably said too much I don't

0:07:58like that though John I don't like that

0:07:59about doctors I don't I i like the kind

0:08:01of doctors that are very down-to-earth

0:08:03and you know I don't fucking know about

0:08:05a lot of this stuff is buttery what we

0:08:07can do for you

0:08:08you know I an explosion went off by your

0:08:09ear and like from from from the dawn of

0:08:11time until now there's very little we

0:08:13can do about that could be part of your

0:08:14ear just got blown up a little bit dr.

0:08:16they're talking about is smoking

0:08:17Winston's while he's talking to you I'm

0:08:19not much we can do

0:08:20I think I promising a t-zone I i put

0:08:23this high put this out there on the

0:08:24internet the other day I was like look

0:08:25I'm looking for a doctor and I want an

0:08:27old-school doctor I don't want I don't

0:08:30want a doctor who's going to tell me

0:08:32about Eastern medicine I don't want a

0:08:35doctor who's going to tell me that I

0:08:36need to do aerobics I want the doctor

0:08:39was just gonna be like an old-school

0:08:42doctor who smoke cigarettes and he talks

0:08:44to me like a like a guy right and so I

0:08:47put this out there and on my facebook

0:08:49page i get 30 replies from people like

0:08:52oh you should use my doctor doctor you

0:08:55know dr. Brianna McPherson she's amazing

0:08:59and I'm like you're not listening to me

0:09:01i'm not going to a doctor named brianna

0:09:04she's gonna tell me that i need to

0:09:07robust eyes i want i want a doctor he's

0:09:10gonna talk about your lifestyle

0:09:12yeah I need a doctor named Herman who

0:09:16comes in the stethoscope is fucking

0:09:18freezing

0:09:19you're gonna get your naked is not even

0:09:22a gown just you stand there naked while

0:09:24he smokes that's the kind of doctor you

0:09:25want you want somebody who goes you know

0:09:27what there's no surgery for that yet

0:09:28he's smoking he has a really cold

0:09:30stethoscope and he has a pair of pliers

0:09:32in his back pocket and and we sit and we

0:09:37talked about you know we talked for 45

0:09:38minutes before he says so what's the

0:09:41matter

0:09:41yeah but anyway so I i made a doctor's

0:09:45appointment or actually I didn't make a

0:09:46doctor's appoint someone made a doctor's

0:09:48appointment for me and I haven't been to

0:09:50the doctor and I don't know how long i

0:09:53don't i don't believe in doctors who

0:09:55haven't gone to the doctor in a long

0:09:56time but i but I i was bitching about

0:09:59this and and then a person close to me

0:10:03said you know what I'm gonna make your

0:10:04doctor's appointment and now i have one

0:10:07so i have to go to the doctor is nearby

0:10:10how I mean everything in seattle is

0:10:13nearby

0:10:14but its a Mann's not nearby because in

0:10:17my neighborhood there are no facilities

0:10:19i live in a neighborhood with no

0:10:21facilities nothing like a free clinic i

0:10:24guess there they just built a free

0:10:26clinic down the street which really

0:10:28angered me because it was on this it was

0:10:31on a lot that could have been a nice

0:10:32cafe and they built a medical facility

0:10:35for poor people and i have and as if

0:10:38there aren't enough of those right right

0:10:40the count is that really the Catalan

0:10:42encourage there should have been there

0:10:43should be there are no cafes down here

0:10:45and there are like there are all kinds

0:10:48of medical clinics and veterinarians

0:10:49stuff textcaster question you think you

0:10:51think those people are actually getting

0:10:52their health is actually improving i'm

0:10:54going to guess probably not

0:10:55you can throw as many clinics as you

0:10:56want we know what you can do carbon

0:10:58offsets you say for every one of these

0:10:59clinics you've also got a build like a

0:11:01cafe and nice cafe not like some kind of

0:11:03scored together cafe was a korean guy

0:11:05like I want a nice cafe was real coffee

0:11:08i want i want Angry ladies with tattoos

0:11:10exactly is as much a skunk that's how

0:11:13much to ask I think things are all the

0:11:15all the tattoo coffee shops are all up

0:11:18in the neighborhood where there are no

0:11:21brown people and I live down with the

0:11:23brown people and they did you know

0:11:24nobody serves services them with good

0:11:26coffee

0:11:27he missed he missed the capital

0:11:28experienc know it's irrelevant to me now

0:11:31I go up there and I walk around and I

0:11:33feel like a minute late lady gaga video

0:11:35and I I don't that's just the men i

0:11:39can't i can't i cannot identify all I

0:11:44can identify our I mean I look around at

0:11:46the kids and I see all of the I see all

0:11:49of the ways in which the men have ripped

0:11:51off my fashion sense so calling and the

0:11:55girls have all ripped off the fashion

0:11:57senses of all the girls I was dating 10

0:11:59years ago

0:12:00it's really annoying with a little bit

0:12:03of editing that could be a hit Willie

0:12:04Nelson song you know there's a prob with

0:12:07diversity John the problem diversity is

0:12:09it was always benefit all brother

0:12:11there's so many there's so many problems

0:12:13with diversity and I know what I don't

0:12:15go ping pong i'm going to skip the whole

0:12:16cafe problem that black box will come

0:12:18back to that in another time

0:12:19Rachel room I

0:12:21what well I don't know I didn't say

0:12:22anything did I also love your arms it's

0:12:24a lady thing too isn't it

0:12:26oh I just said about now you never are

0:12:29saucy man mama and you know I don't

0:12:38diversity diversity you know what we

0:12:40shouldn't even open that box if you know

0:12:42what I mean when I was in fifth grade

0:12:43yet don't open the black box me when I

0:12:46was in fifth grade now without a strong

0:12:48cup of coffee when I was in fifth grade

0:12:50my reading book was called serendipity

0:12:53100 this is different now what we are

0:12:57two books is that right

0:12:58serendipity and diversity writes

0:13:00anything to her second have talked about

0:13:01this 50 in sixth grade serendipity

0:13:04university has some science centers have

0:13:06told us that they had the same books

0:13:07I've heard that yeah I i did not realize

0:13:09that diversity was going to be such a

0:13:12problem later

0:13:13yeah Israel is it it's you know it's one

0:13:15of those things like auto insurance like

0:13:16it seems like a good idea you know you

0:13:19maybe yeah but i feel i feel like when i

0:13:22run for president my platform will be no

0:13:24more nanny-state mandatory auto

0:13:27insurance

0:13:28true true because there's a lot of force

0:13:31insurance going to the Obamacare rhino

0:13:34tonight mama care and I know you don't

0:13:38want to talk about it since when I look

0:13:39I'm not gonna talk about the Tea Party

0:13:40that I like that I like that you're

0:13:42talking about all these things that I

0:13:43assume people on fox news talk about I

0:13:45like they're coming up with these

0:13:46portmanteaus you know what those are

0:13:48very sticky but you can have a sticky

0:13:50portman tell by just just smashing a

0:13:52couple things together you know my god

0:13:55I'm just let's see what it's a couple of

0:13:57good against your business name like mr.

0:13:59Chand not see I've never heard that

0:14:00before that was good i just pointed yeah

0:14:03I'm sure that I'm sure we'll see that on

0:14:06fox news in in two months

0:14:08what about diversity sexual diversity

0:14:10sexual mood or a and I'm thinking about

0:14:15that this morning actually the diverse

0:14:17sexuality because you know that it'sit's

0:14:20this common trope that if you if you let

0:14:23the gays marry if you let the gays out

0:14:24of the stables and everybody's gonna

0:14:27know all that although like the young

0:14:30boys who are on the fence

0:14:32asian men who are on the fence that

0:14:34argument makes me so angry you're gonna

0:14:36see that the gay lifestyle is so going

0:14:39around them they're gonna recruit like

0:14:40they're out there getting Hitler Youth

0:14:42playing a tube and bang on the drum and

0:14:43suddenly everybody was a uniform i don't

0:14:45i don't think that's how it works John

0:14:46Roderick well let me let me tell you

0:14:48from from personal experience when I was

0:14:51a young man in my early twenties and I

0:14:55moved to Seattle it was during the it

0:14:58was during the big explosion of the gay

0:15:00rights time the gay rights movement

0:15:01right the the uh we're out and we're

0:15:06proud and what I think when i arrived in

0:15:10seattle 1990 it was just it was just at

0:15:14the beginning you know there was still a

0:15:15very vibrant underground gay culture and

0:15:18then gay culture went went mainstream

0:15:21and it happened very fast and I was

0:15:23living right in the middle of it as a

0:15:24young person surrounded by other young

0:15:26people and being gay singh very exciting

0:15:30days had a good sense of humor

0:15:34they were they were chic they seem to be

0:15:38that they felt newly liberated

0:15:40light-hearted intellectual good shoes

0:15:43yeah I wanted to feel newly liberated I

0:15:45too had been living in a closet of a

0:15:47kind the closet of of unacceptability

0:15:53unacceptable notice i wanted to feel

0:15:56liberated

0:15:57where's my parade that's right where's

0:16:00my parade where's Mike Wright was my

0:16:03pleasure that I get to our dolphin

0:16:04shorts on

0:16:05where's my where's my world war one

0:16:07aficionado parade

0:16:09yeah well some sellers my throbbing it's

0:16:11raining men loop so i went to a lot of

0:16:14parties with my gay friends and I tried

0:16:16out the gay lifestyle is not the

0:16:20one-time shot with that big black buck

0:16:22ears this is this is ongoing

0:16:24this is an ongoing human experiment

0:16:25you're participating and willfully

0:16:27knowingly you were trying something on

0:16:29correct true for a couple years there i

0:16:32would make out with boys when the

0:16:34opportunity presented itself which it

0:16:36frequently did and and I really said you

0:16:40know let's try that lets what about

0:16:43bisexual

0:16:44let's try bisexual

0:16:45see what that let's see how that feels

0:16:47and I really feel like if it were if it

0:16:52were possible for a person to change

0:16:55their sexual orientation by exerting the

0:17:00there will be if it were possible for a

0:17:03person to cheat let me let me simplify

0:17:05that by using the word choose for

0:17:07possible to choose your sexual

0:17:09orientation

0:17:10I think I would have chosen to have AI

0:17:13in fact i tried to choose to have a more

0:17:15open sexual orientation then it turns

0:17:19out i ended up with a friend

0:17:22we're in the final accounting i realized

0:17:25that i was ten percent bisexual not

0:17:30enough to sustain a bi sexual

0:17:31relationship just does that is

0:17:33introduction to say that makes you five

0:17:34percent gay or how's that breakdown a

0:17:36pie graph mi would say he founded by

0:17:40special thing to be you on the bubble

0:17:41and you're right it's square in the

0:17:43middle

0:17:44what you doing huh had sixteen percent k

0:17:46i'm never gonna say bite ya know I was

0:17:48let's say i was twenty percent bisexual

0:17:5010-percent game

0:17:51okay but uh but when i when i read this

0:17:54all this like hyperbole about all if we

0:17:58if we legalize gay marriage then oh it's

0:18:00just the beginning of this slippery

0:18:01slope or pretty soon it's just gonna be

0:18:03a pro Tosh in elevators and it looks

0:18:08like that mean that the argument these

0:18:10ppl makes its that's sweeping the other

0:18:11guys and Castle it let me guess it's

0:18:13gonna be it's like we're one step away

0:18:16John it's not possible john i'm going to

0:18:18share a very fast and don't take your

0:18:19girl here but i wanna i wanna very fast

0:18:22anecdote and visit my mama few years ago

0:18:23my mom you know she's really serious you

0:18:28know she carries a gun and stuff and not

0:18:30just 14 mm yep yep in so our friend of

0:18:33hers who you know why has been like a

0:18:36thumb sick family member since childhood

0:18:38on she's like and she's fun like the bay

0:18:41area originally she's from like he's

0:18:43made no from the east bay and when I go

0:18:45clean but like you know the white people

0:18:47might go out in east and she and she

0:18:50current shouting no no that's that's

0:18:52north but she's picking your kind of

0:18:54picking a thing with me and I can

0:18:55already feel she's picking a thing with

0:18:57me like oh present

0:18:58from San Francisco and yeah that's

0:19:00pretty rare and expensive and it's nice

0:19:02there's lots to do and Jim she's

0:19:04implying sheezy you can feel it you know

0:19:08it is your lips witchy ways i have to

0:19:11get sorry if I don't know if it's even

0:19:13me it's just more like watching an old

0:19:15man tried to punch somebody who's not

0:19:16even there like she's got she's getting

0:19:18ready to swing and like there's nothing

0:19:20to really hit and I'm not taking the

0:19:22bait and your mom's friend she is my

0:19:24mom's friend and I'm buttonholed like

0:19:26I'm stuck by her like in a bar I can't

0:19:28get out

0:19:29I'm stop hold you're stuck by her in a

0:19:31bar near buttonholed your buttonhole

0:19:35dinner party I tried and they've been

0:19:36sitting next to somebody where you want

0:19:38to literally kill yourself a dental and

0:19:40they're gonna try again but holding my

0:19:41seat in the early nineties right hey

0:19:43justjust that outside with something IDK

0:19:46so what did you think about one concept

0:19:47while working on this vote voting i

0:19:49think voting is what happened in seattle

0:19:51i'm going to continue to focus is huge

0:19:53and so and so she's needling me now and

0:19:56I'm not really taking the bait and and I

0:19:57I go straight into the story that I

0:19:59believe in my heart is part of what

0:20:02makes san francisco in san francisco is

0:20:04such a stupid fucking town in so many

0:20:06ways but i will tell you one thing I

0:20:07genuinely love about San Francisco it

0:20:10was like the yeah it's like the island

0:20:13of misfit toys huh

0:20:14we never got to this in one of our

0:20:16previous World War two discussions but

0:20:17you know what made one thing was there

0:20:19an island of misfit toys & World War two

0:20:21I think you're thinking rankin/bass

0:20:22here's what happened

0:20:24you got if you got this is you don't

0:20:27steal my job my job is to derail your

0:20:30job is to talk about the cold where

0:20:31where I i'm going to be an interrupting

0:20:34cow this episode let's ride bikes

0:20:36I'm sony i'm sorry and i believe this

0:20:40like his first of all just a little bit

0:20:41back in the sack I don't know is I see

0:20:43accurate but it's my understanding that

0:20:46in world war two if you got thrown out

0:20:49of the armed forces in the Pacific

0:20:50Theater for being gay

0:20:53hey guess where they dropped you off

0:20:55bikini atoll very close another place

0:20:59that the bomb the port of San Francisco

0:21:01so you are somebody who got kicked out

0:21:04for being a the game San Francisco

0:21:07started in World War two

0:21:09is a wanted to see this is 1 this is one

0:21:11Ark there's another arc which is of

0:21:12course like the beats and stuff but

0:21:14that's all you know there's a synergy to

0:21:15all these stuff happening and one of

0:21:17them is there's a whole bunch of people

0:21:18think about that think about the self

0:21:20selection of that like you were a gay

0:21:21dude in the in the fucking Navy Army

0:21:24whatever who acted upon it like you were

0:21:26ready to like risk that sure you get

0:21:29thrown out and you're like holy fucking

0:21:31shit there's all these other dudes here

0:21:33who wanted the same thing

0:21:34yes hooray exactly and it's like this

0:21:37it's like your snake plissken but it is

0:21:40being dropped into a new york city

0:21:42prison camp it's all shiny guys you're

0:21:45dropped into a hilltop city surrounded

0:21:50by water and donald pleasance want to

0:21:52suck your dick

0:21:53my point is you land and I think first

0:21:55of all let's partay

0:21:56I think that's glorious I think it's

0:21:58amazing if you're somebody who has

0:21:59trouble understanding how you fit into

0:22:01the world and who you are to land in an

0:22:03environment where suddenly you're not

0:22:05the definitely like quote-unquote fucked

0:22:07up person and and I'm trying to make

0:22:09this case to her and saying hey lucky no

0:22:10castro street in in 1976 really listen I

0:22:13was just you have really engage this

0:22:15woman and conversation right now I'm

0:22:17trying to make a case to her that that

0:22:18she's saying the gay marriage should not

0:22:21happen San Francisco implying I know

0:22:23she's saying gay marriage never happened

0:22:24and she's saying that basically San

0:22:26Francisco is like this petri dish for

0:22:28wrong and anyway I made the same case

0:22:30different and I made to my mom like she

0:22:33would see two guys kissing and get super

0:22:35uncomfortable not imagine you spent your

0:22:37entire life feeling like you're the only

0:22:39person in the world who is really

0:22:40screwed up about something and then you

0:22:42found a million other people or you know

0:22:44whatever hundred thousand people who

0:22:45felt the same way you because your

0:22:47family right and i think i was like you

0:22:49know you've got kids would love it if

0:22:51your kids felt out of place the whole

0:22:53life and they finally found somebody

0:22:54that understood them

0:22:55no not of your kids were kissing some

0:22:58other other person of the same sex

0:23:00clothes she said what auto ship said the

0:23:02problem is if we allow gay marriage

0:23:04people also be like allowed to marry

0:23:06their dogs and I don't

0:23:08and I was dumbstruck because I I always

0:23:12thought that was one of those

0:23:13make-believe like hillbilly things

0:23:14people said this is an educated woman

0:23:16who is a successful professional who

0:23:18thinks that gay people fuck children and

0:23:21dogs

0:23:21well if you read your history yeah you

0:23:23will you before work you this before

0:23:26World War 2 the the ones great nation of

0:23:28slop obeah witch which legalized man on

0:23:33dog marriage and it's spelled the end of

0:23:36their civilization

0:23:37so this happened this is sort of like

0:23:39between the Etruscans and the Assyrians

0:23:42the Slovenians were great seafaring

0:23:44people and the house and semen

0:23:50well there was considerable semen and

0:23:52and they you know they were great dog

0:23:55breeders and there's a seam and abroad

0:23:57and there were a lot of a lot of people

0:23:59who felt like their dogs were refined of

0:24:02character and noble of temperament and

0:24:06that they would make fine spouses

0:24:08partners part life partners truth and

0:24:11and they would spell that the doom of

0:24:14their civilization

0:24:16yeah so a little bit of an outlier your

0:24:19mom and a lot of the Conservatives have

0:24:22have a valid point if you if you believe

0:24:24that history speaks to our present

0:24:26condition there's just there's so many

0:24:28things and I don't like politics but

0:24:30this is not politics this is like the

0:24:32culture and it's important life and

0:24:34culture is the section of the newspaper

0:24:35that you turn to immediately sure I like

0:24:38to see what karl lagerfeld showing right

0:24:40right

0:24:41I'm just saying like if you get one

0:24:42thing that's one thing to be talking

0:24:43about policy and politics and it's

0:24:45another thing to talk about like

0:24:46somebody's ability to just live like a

0:24:48like a normal human being and the

0:24:50problem is she does not think that's a

0:24:51normal human being

0:24:53no and as much as I didn't want to take

0:24:54the bait I finally just got done button

0:24:56hold and have to walk away cause like I

0:24:58you know that this is exactly you and I

0:25:01had an argument a couple of years ago

0:25:02where I said that I don't believe that

0:25:06christians or religious people of any

0:25:09stripe should drink alcohol

0:25:11wasn't drunk when we talked about this

0:25:13and you argued you argued that I was

0:25:15being ridiculous and that Christians

0:25:18didn't have to get a lot more specific

0:25:20of course should be able to drink

0:25:21alcohol and i said no i don't think so i

0:25:23don't remember this because the

0:25:25religious experience thing

0:25:26yeah I don't think that what I don't

0:25:28think that religious people should drink

0:25:29alcohol or take drugs or or commit

0:25:33adultery or do any bad things because it

0:25:35because they have they have eternal

0:25:38reward in heaven to look forward to

0:25:40whereas the rest of us who are going to

0:25:43spend eternity in torment the only fun

0:25:45that we get is here on earth did you

0:25:48know finger banging each other and if

0:25:50the Christians are in here also like

0:25:53sopping up all the gravy with their buns

0:25:56that it's all that much less gravy for

0:25:59me and the rest of the secular humanists

0:26:02due to Eternity and in the pit of fire

0:26:06so personally I personally I feel like

0:26:10religious people should be if they can

0:26:14if they cannot handle the responsibility

0:26:16of living in cities while maintaining

0:26:19their sort of separatist I another

0:26:23separatists identity then I think that

0:26:25they should be corralled into camps /

0:26:27nice ones nice camps because this world

0:26:30they can be fixed the camp's can be made

0:26:32to be nice

0:26:33separate but equal let's just say all of

0:26:36Oklahoma so we could put it we could put

0:26:39some fencing it can be attractive

0:26:41fencing i'm not saying it has to be

0:26:42cyclone wire is kind of Marcus Garvey

0:26:45type situation they want to be together

0:26:47let's get a mouse game altogether look

0:26:49at is I don't understand why religious

0:26:51people want to live in cities cities are

0:26:53vibrant places that people can stitch

0:26:55things in each other and yell at each

0:26:58other and there's a there there are all

0:27:00kinds of people smoke marijuana there

0:27:03are all kinds of things that happen in

0:27:04cities

0:27:05I don't understand why religious people

0:27:07even want to be here

0:27:08I feel like they they probably don't and

0:27:11that they are here just because they

0:27:13were born here or their parents moved

0:27:16them here and where they really want to

0:27:18be is in a bucolic place somewhere where

0:27:21they can't be too they can't be injured

0:27:23by offense

0:27:24speech or by seeing men kiss or whatever

0:27:27it is that's hurting their feelings and

0:27:29that place could be maybe that the

0:27:31entirety of Kansas Nebraska let's not

0:27:35mince words you want to put everyone in

0:27:37utah you want a cute on converted to a

0:27:39full crazy crazy religion that there's

0:27:40something

0:27:41here's the problem i would like to

0:27:42respond also please continue alright

0:27:44here's the problem with utah right in

0:27:45the middle of Utah there's a there's a

0:27:47range of mountains called the Rocky

0:27:49Mountains and unfortunately if you look

0:27:52at you talk to map it seems plenty big

0:27:54enough to hold all the religious people

0:27:56but unfortunately everything west of the

0:27:58Rocky Mountains is an uninhabitable

0:27:59wasteland

0:28:01so all the religious people would have

0:28:03to live up in the mountains and on this

0:28:05high kind of rocky plain and I

0:28:07understand completely that religious

0:28:10people would potentially want maybe

0:28:12someone climate or some green green

0:28:15pastures truth so i can't confine them

0:28:17to you tie it has to be it has to be

0:28:19geographically more diverse there's that

0:28:21word again before diversity but I feel

0:28:24like some some geographical diversity is

0:28:27it is important for people maybe a

0:28:30little beach we could have a we could

0:28:31have like Galveston that could be there

0:28:34beach

0:28:35I don't know this is art and still

0:28:37pie-in-the-sky stuff tonight but I don't

0:28:39understand why religious person would

0:28:41want to live in

0:28:41yeah san francisco city i really don't

0:28:44like until you graduate from college

0:28:46john w capable of so much of a better

0:28:50argument than that that is that it's got

0:28:52to be one of the nine to 16 weakest

0:28:55arguments I've ever heard you make what

0:28:57are you talking about doesn't make a

0:28:58lick and that is that is that is to

0:29:01understand how bananas close to a

0:29:04religious insanity that argument is I

0:29:07know you're being exaggerating but no

0:29:09you don't really believe that about

0:29:11people of faith people of faith will you

0:29:14what you use this word religious so

0:29:15you're tying in like you know what you

0:29:18know Coptic Christians with like you

0:29:20know UFO cult like what is anybody in

0:29:23your life is any faith in something snow

0:29:27no that's not what I'm saying you're not

0:29:29you're 60 I think you should i eat i

0:29:31think you need to separate the people

0:29:32who have jobs in narcotics anonymous are

0:29:36entitled to have a Power greater than

0:29:38selves uh-huh and still live in cities

0:29:40should avoid this did the Cassie

0:29:47question i'm gonna know what I'm just

0:29:49gonna I'm just gonna put a stake in the

0:29:50ground here this is gonna have to be

0:29:51another episode III can't even begin to

0:29:53shoot take apart all the ways that you

0:29:57are so incredibly wrong about that so

0:29:59much of that apart from one of the

0:30:00people that put people in a bad state

0:30:02there's a lot of people i would like to

0:30:03put in a bad state we're talking about

0:30:05that Oklahoma bad state

0:30:06I don't know the wind comes sweeping

0:30:07down the plain is that still the case

0:30:09there are plenty of nice things in

0:30:10Oklahoma do you have a sense of how

0:30:12however never eat sushi there how is the

0:30:14corner give any sense of that the corn

0:30:17is above your head

0:30:18I say it in a musical guy are you

0:30:21I thought you're trying to quote from

0:30:23the musical Oklahoma which brings me

0:30:25back to my question which is that where

0:30:26you regarded by the legitimate

0:30:28homosexuals as something of a

0:30:29carpetbagger part of my pardon my french

0:30:31you soon as a carpetbagger you home in

0:30:33you come in you hang out a little bit

0:30:34with your musky masculine and you're and

0:30:37you're like finish classes collection

0:30:39and and you're in there making out with

0:30:40people you're taking pieces off the

0:30:42table so to speak where you seen as a

0:30:44carpetbagger on Roderick I think that

0:30:45but I think that'd be legitimately

0:30:47well-adjusted young homosexuals of

0:30:50Seattle we're not interested in pursuing

0:30:52a brief relationship with me but the

0:30:56number of young well-adjusted

0:30:58emotionally well-adjusted gays in

0:31:00seattle in 1992 was a fraction of the

0:31:02population of the homosexual community

0:31:05through most of the young homosexuals

0:31:08were also confused and frankly also

0:31:11their sexuality was on a continuum right

0:31:15there were some who were more inclined

0:31:18to make out straight boys there were

0:31:21some who were more inclined to sort of

0:31:23be right on the fence

0:31:24also this is a problem of vegetarianism

0:31:27to now if you're vegetarian

0:31:29let's go back let's go back and look at

0:31:31something like the boys in the band

0:31:32which now as a movie seems like

0:31:34something from another planet because

0:31:35it's so broad you ever see that movie

0:31:37the play i did it say I liked it I liked

0:31:40it a lot my mother actually directed

0:31:41that as a one-time you're playing around

0:31:44there's a lot of mincing and it's almost

0:31:47like an allegory it's almost something

0:31:48Rod Serling was like with all right like

0:31:51that you're the seven kinds of

0:31:52homosexuals arguing independent marked

0:31:54as late as the early nineties i think

0:31:57that was still more or less

0:31:58representative of how I'm gonna take it

0:32:01like for the time you know there's a lot

0:32:03of stairs a lot of things that happened

0:32:04in the sixties where you would look back

0:32:06and go wow that still that seems pretty

0:32:08casually racist in retrospect but you go

0:32:10wow it's pretty amazing that like you

0:32:12know you look something like in the heat

0:32:13of the night

0:32:14I mean it's incredible that that man got

0:32:17baked in some ways it's so good in city

0:32:19party is so obviously the smartest

0:32:21person in the movie and I think at the

0:32:22time a lot of cactus kind of racism too

0:32:24well known at the time

0:32:26not compared to hang something from a

0:32:28tree I mean that's a pretty long way to

0:32:29have Hollywood putting a good-looking

0:32:31guy as the lead Bill Cosby on man from

0:32:33uncle what have you forget everything

0:32:34but said was to their credit didn't

0:32:37really Lynch a lot of people thought

0:32:39that you never know how did you find out

0:32:40about here's the part 1 here the problem

0:32:42now so you take something like boys in

0:32:44the band and like I think if you were a

0:32:478th most probably most people i'm

0:32:50guessing something closeted you know i

0:32:52mean it was not cool to be out of the

0:32:54closet unless you know except in very

0:32:55specific situations are very specific

0:32:57cities i bet on the size of that cool

0:32:59that's right but you saw that movie and

0:33:01for the first time you saw yourself on

0:33:03screen yeah maybe mincing but you

0:33:05weren't just like the Clifton Webb

0:33:06character or something when you see you

0:33:08you're talking about me if I were gay I

0:33:10don't know I don't know I could go

0:33:12either way

0:33:13good you and me both for a while I've

0:33:17lost my point again you know the fact is

0:33:19i can't say i don't understand this

0:33:20episode John model year i'm completely

0:33:23and I said we've been doing a lot of

0:33:24coffee

0:33:24I know I quit caffeine so that all

0:33:27brother win I quit caffeine on new

0:33:29year's day huh

0:33:31I haven't had any caffeine Zanu you're

0:33:32still not sleeping

0:33:34no I sleep like a baby about but the

0:33:37reason I want to go to the doctors i'm

0:33:38walking around in a fog all the time I

0:33:40don't have any uh uh i'm fortunate

0:33:43always foggy I feel a little foggy and

0:33:47feeling funky but here's the thing about

0:33:49that's the thing about being gay if the

0:33:51right young man approached me after a

0:33:53show before

0:33:54I have I i have to say that really if he

0:33:58smelled right but there's a lot of smell

0:34:01and involved if you smelled like every

0:34:04time I still give it a go but you worry

0:34:07about your culpability in that working

0:34:09out because he might feel the same way

0:34:10maybe maybe that that particular way

0:34:12that you smell could be quote unquote

0:34:14right to him racing that's a possibility

0:34:15could be could be

0:34:17I mean I've smelled right to people

0:34:19before but here's the way I am I no

0:34:22longer i'm no longer in the business of

0:34:24worrying about other people's capability

0:34:28through they are looking for you

0:34:30yeah I think that's terrific i think i

0:34:32was arrested themselves when they when

0:34:34they come up against me when they meet

0:34:36me in a dark alley making up the up to

0:34:38me in the in the high corn you know

0:34:41they'd better they better be a better

0:34:44bet their a game because i'm not gonna

0:34:46hold their hand know who threw finally

0:34:50like 45 musicals a lot but not all night

0:34:53there aren't many others just like

0:34:55problems it's like palms I thought I

0:34:56like poetry and look like a you know the

0:34:58range of poetry and it's like it's like

0:35:00folk music 15 poem or reggae or musicals

0:35:04were like it turns out i like well no I

0:35:06mean I'll say they're like five poets

0:35:08maybe that I like that you're going to

0:35:09be contrast you celebrate the entire

0:35:12Jerry Lewis catalog that's not accurate

0:35:14but I'm not going to sit there and like

0:35:16spend an evening reading Gary Snyder or

0:35:19something

0:35:20no no offense and they don't know where

0:35:22the turtles are very nice but it right

0:35:24and so that's the problem this is this

0:35:25is this is part of the problem we get to

0:35:27users tell me what of the Jerry Lewis

0:35:29stuff you don't like this you really

0:35:32want to get into this now ugh I wish you

0:35:35wouldn't change the topic i'm emily i

0:35:36limit myself to four cards i want to

0:35:38talk more about the driver and I felt

0:35:40like from the very beginning that we had

0:35:42switched roles this season of reveling

0:35:44in this is not a difficult this is not

0:35:47difficult to understand at a high level

0:35:49Jerry Lewis is fascinating

0:35:52yes because my goodness because even if

0:35:56you're not being reductive he is full of

0:35:58so many paradoxes and and so many like

0:36:02unresolved bowl

0:36:04just warring size to his personality

0:36:06ride that day the clown cried is

0:36:08actually get some it i don't think it i

0:36:10mean i've seen like the script patton

0:36:13oswalt claims to have feelings

0:36:15yeah I mean it's okay yeah a lot of

0:36:16people claim to have seen it i know

0:36:18Harry Shearer how to copy the script I i

0:36:19I've seen bits from the script and it's

0:36:21some staggering and how many pages like

0:36:24300 pages I mean it's a very very long

0:36:26movie for those for those in our

0:36:29audience in the minority who don't know

0:36:30what this is going to explain you're

0:36:33gonna explain the day the crown clown

0:36:35cried

0:36:35it's it out keep it short i mean the

0:36:37background is that people could

0:36:38wikipedia except then wikipedias is

0:36:41closed begging you not to get me started

0:36:43on that the arm here's the thing Jerry

0:36:45Lewis decided to do a movie uh where he

0:36:48plays a a clown and I believe poland on

0:36:51the same helmet dork how much work is a

0:36:53clown also makes fun he makes fun of the

0:36:55Nazis they put him in a death camp it

0:36:57becomes his job to do clown stuff to

0:37:00make children going to the gas chamber

0:37:01right so that's the Jerry Lewis movie

0:37:04and had trouble getting it made

0:37:05apparently he had to go to I want to

0:37:06sweeten conceivable I don't have the

0:37:09number in front of me but I you know

0:37:10it's one minute per page generally in

0:37:12the script hundred is pretty much

0:37:13something something like it's a really

0:37:16would be a real it's really fucking long

0:37:17movie i don't think it was completed but

0:37:20is it but he did draw attention to one

0:37:22of the little known fact facets of the

0:37:26Holocaust you know you know about the

0:37:28gypsies and you know about obviously the

0:37:29Jews and heterosexuals who speaks for

0:37:31the clients who speaks with a client

0:37:33that's right i didn't say anything I

0:37:34didn't say anything when they came to

0:37:35the clouds for class because i wasn't a

0:37:37clown right and then when they came for

0:37:39me there is no one left to keep shooting

0:37:41with seltzer

0:37:42that's right horns honk their red nose

0:37:44here the nice thing though I mean you'd

0:37:46be amazed how many of those clowns you

0:37:48can actually fit into a gas chamber

0:37:49what's up so my point is here's the

0:37:53thing about Jerry Lewis if you go out if

0:37:57you go out and search for this if you go

0:37:58in search for the decline Christ you

0:38:00will find production skills productions

0:38:02still you know that you will see in

0:38:04pictures of that they're absolutely

0:38:07horrifying

0:38:07yeah because it's jerry lewis in shitty

0:38:10clown makeup wearing the like Auschwitz

0:38:12striped outfits

0:38:14mmm and guess what happens when a person

0:38:17no longer has people around him who can

0:38:19tell him no this is the George Lucas

0:38:20problem and here's the thing about Jerry

0:38:22Lewis and I like to move on because this

0:38:24is not that interesting isn't it is that

0:38:25he is full of these kinds of nobody can

0:38:28dispute the amount of great things that

0:38:30he did for the Muscular Dystrophy

0:38:31Association in the sense that he brought

0:38:33in a ton of money and if to use a phrase

0:38:36that is virtually meaningless today he

0:38:38raised a huge amount of awareness about

0:38:40the disease was very unknown in

0:38:41otherwise really most muscular dystrophy

0:38:44is and i watch that telephone river for

0:38:4610 years probably you know why you know

0:38:48why because you either the parts where

0:38:50they make you cry and they talk about

0:38:52whatever duchesne something something

0:38:54right but mostly you and him about

0:38:56Leslie you remember him acting like he

0:39:00was retarded and talking about his kids

0:39:03and bringing up grown men in wheelchairs

0:39:06and trying to make them cry on stage

0:39:08there thereby bringing all these people

0:39:11into his twisted universe where where he

0:39:13could at once

0:39:15don't you remember you might remember

0:39:16the one a few years ago when he joined

0:39:18him with the chorus and was like doing

0:39:19the whole like about the long thing and

0:39:21let me stop you right there i have not

0:39:22watched the journalist telephone since

0:39:241978 and you call yourself and you call

0:39:27yourself bisexual

0:39:28I don't remember the one from a couple

0:39:30of years ago I wasn't aware they still

0:39:32happened what I generally get dropped

0:39:35out this last I remember turning yeah i

0:39:37was in a in a beach cabin in on Maui for

0:39:42the man with a man or by yourself

0:39:43flowers with my father that's simple in

0:39:461978 at that point I was just

0:39:49experimenting with my relatives who were

0:39:50politician it was beautiful out it was

0:39:53beautiful the waves were crashing on the

0:39:54beach with a beautiful sunny Hawaii day

0:39:56and that we were inside watching the

0:39:58Jerry Lewis telethon because it was not

0:40:00something that you missed it was a

0:40:02cultural it was like an after school

0:40:03special it was like a it was like a

0:40:05Marlin Perkins how is it there was no

0:40:08question I mean you know what happened

0:40:10once a year you want right that's right

0:40:11yeah

0:40:12and indeed your father enjoy that you

0:40:14guys stay up late or stars come out with

0:40:16your dad didn't watch it my dad was a

0:40:18was an old enough person to know that

0:40:20this was dumb but is fighting against

0:40:22Sammy Davis jr.

0:40:24my dad loved Sammy Davis jr. my dad was

0:40:27that same generation so it's a very very

0:40:29talented manually as 1i Sam yeah Sam

0:40:32who's yeah he's racing cars in less than

0:40:34I won I won I won I everything isn't

0:40:38that's right that's right married and

0:40:39sweetest girl who is much taller than he

0:40:41was

0:40:41she was handsome that was a good-looking

0:40:43ladies and attractively she was super

0:40:45cute those guys really are they must

0:40:48have had a time

0:40:49yeah well if you read the biographies

0:40:50sean lee biography which I'm sure you

0:40:52will now called King of Comedy you you

0:40:54will realize what a tortured individual

0:40:56he's I'm not gonna go on about this i'm

0:40:57gonna start a separate podcast with the

0:40:58golden will be able to talk about all of

0:41:00this something before I'm not going to

0:41:02hurt much as I'd like carpetbagging

0:41:03teabagging you know what here's the

0:41:06thing also you know what you want to

0:41:07talk about is I got a card I got a card

0:41:09now we go back to Schwartz commando it

0:41:12means white no black what's white lice

0:41:16vice shorts commando you never read

0:41:20gravity's rainbow this tension

0:41:23yeah true I think I've the crying of

0:41:25area 51

0:41:27that's that's a good place to start and

0:41:30end with that so tonight I would never

0:41:32change choice in today when I was very

0:41:33young then I walked into a bookstore

0:41:35choice and there was a man behind the

0:41:37counter who looked like a book store

0:41:39employee was a heavyset gentleman to go

0:41:41in our pollen and he had a red yet long

0:41:45red hair and a red beard which he had

0:41:48kinda shaved down his cheeks and he was

0:41:51wearing a sweater under a tweed jacket

0:41:54and he probably had a pipe in the pocket

0:41:58of his Mackinaw

0:42:00[Music]

0:42:01and I said something gold spike sport

0:42:05and walked in and water the content

0:42:09look I I got some time to kill what's

0:42:12your favorite book

0:42:14I want to know your favorite book and he

0:42:17lights up his his formerly like pinched

0:42:20book store employee since cynical face

0:42:23lit up and he went oh

0:42:26gravity's rainbow and he comes out from

0:42:28my own account he walked me back into

0:42:29the you know to the peas and he pulls

0:42:32gravity's rainbow off the shelf and he

0:42:34goes you have to read it's the greatest

0:42:35book ever written and he gave himself to

0:42:39me for half price because he really

0:42:41wants me to you know I only had a dollar

0:42:42or something really really wants me to

0:42:44read this book and over the course of

0:42:47the next two years I tried to read

0:42:50gravity's rainbow but at one point I i

0:42:54had like i was reading the book in four

0:42:57different places I had bookmarks and for

0:42:58replacing the book and I was I would sit

0:43:01down and pick up the book at activation

0:43:03i could not finish and keep reading and

0:43:05I read this book and I read this book

0:43:07and I never made it past about page 512

0:43:12reading it and I was picking and i put

0:43:13it down and read other stuff obviously

0:43:14and then that baby sitting there on the

0:43:16bookshelf throbbing this dull red glow

0:43:19you haven't finished me you are smart

0:43:23you can't read and finally one summer I

0:43:26was like you bastard

0:43:27I'm gonna read the fuck out of you and I

0:43:30sat down and I it was like it was like

0:43:32one at the time i read The Iliad all the

0:43:34way through i was like you are going to

0:43:36sit here and you're going to read this

0:43:38fucking book and I read the goddamn

0:43:41gravity's rainbow all the way through

0:43:42and when I was done was done

0:43:46oh I i I'm good i was going to say I

0:43:51threw it out the window but I didn't

0:43:52it's sitting on the bookshelf now I'm

0:43:54looking at it as i speak but it no

0:43:57longer throbs much and feel what was

0:44:00done did you feel like a sense of

0:44:01accomplishment or we just we winded

0:44:03well here's what happens in this book at

0:44:06page

0:44:07750 it's that long

0:44:11it's a long weekend

0:44:13I might be using the crying of lot 49

0:44:15sorry for 149 as a short book

0:44:18well that's the at the GF proof arc to

0:44:20the wasteland right it's much more at

0:44:22you know Dubliners kind of way in right

0:44:24yeah yeah it's scary but uh but at about

0:44:29read about page 1750 or whatever i don't

0:44:31i don't remember how many pages it has

0:44:32but all the way back after it's like

0:44:35you've already read five books that

0:44:37don't make any sense at all

0:44:39it's the story starts to come together

0:44:40and you're like oh wait I know what he's

0:44:43talking about

0:44:44now finally after 700 pages of reading

0:44:47through gibberish I know what he is

0:44:50referring to now and and now i am

0:44:54getting it and then the last little bit

0:44:56of the story is like a fun adventure

0:44:58story where you're like yay i'm glad you

0:45:02get a little you get a little dessert

0:45:04the end it's like it's like it you have

0:45:06to suffer you have to basically read The

0:45:08Silmarillion and again a little hobbit a

0:45:12lot i am i started a new car and I can't

0:45:19decide if you're if you're up for a

0:45:20lightning round I thought we could do

0:45:21lighting around also i want to talk a

0:45:23little bit about something not today but

0:45:24it doesn't if you tried like to talk

0:45:25about whether people confuse Tom of

0:45:27Finland with Tom's made because i think

0:45:29the whole thing that happens if you had

0:45:31like I'm looking for some tom's of Maine

0:45:34tooth whitener government you confuse it

0:45:37with Tom of Finland tens what story are

0:45:39in all that i bet some stores are used

0:45:41to either one of those going wrong you

0:45:43can solve that if you got a big gay sex

0:45:44store by just having some toothpaste in

0:45:45there and got to make everybody happy

0:45:47here is that toothpaste is pretty gross

0:45:49Tom of Finland I bet it is gross well it

0:45:51depends to ten percent like yeah

0:45:53calamine lotion I remember my first

0:45:54which the baking soda toothpaste

0:45:56consistency on rock it was not until

0:45:57last year I thought crest and colgate

0:45:59were essentially interchangeable and now

0:46:02i cannot have Christ in my mouth it is

0:46:05so disgusting to me all academic

0:46:08how can I go 44 years without knowing

0:46:10the difference in Christian Colgate I

0:46:11thought it was a meaningless mean was

0:46:13brand difference right you know what I

0:46:16really like you I think a cup of

0:46:18hydrogen peroxide and switch around my

0:46:19mouth for a minute

0:46:21you have to do special stuff with your

0:46:22with your teeth you have to do like any

0:46:24kind of special cleaning stuff with your

0:46:25make-believe teeth

0:46:26the number the number of pages I have

0:46:29somewhere in this house detailing all

0:46:30the special stuff I have to do with my

0:46:32teeth for real it's like gravity's

0:46:34rainbow it's a braid you have a bridge

0:46:36no I don't have a printer I have a

0:46:37there's a tooth wear my missing two

0:46:40things over there is a tooth and it's

0:46:42basically soldered in place held up the

0:46:45place by a combination of braces glue

0:46:48wheatpaste sawdust horsehair guitar

0:46:54string and it just it just covers their

0:46:58hearts gotta Dario bridge and it just

0:47:01hovers there and I'm I can't this is why

0:47:04i can't get a big pastrami sandwich

0:47:06anymore because my my front tooth my

0:47:09main pastrami incisor is it's not

0:47:13functional justice system facade i am

0:47:17writing this on one of my actual cars

0:47:20i'm going to keep nearby I i if and when

0:47:23you're comfortable but we don't have

0:47:24time today i would like to talk about

0:47:25the the teeth and how they got there me

0:47:28know yeah but no no I know mean pastrami

0:47:31incisor is that right

0:47:32mm that's pretty good Tom of Finland ok

0:47:36alright well you never you know the top

0:47:39of finland stuff here's the problem with

0:47:41the legislature romp with Tom finland

0:47:43this is where I realized that whatever

0:47:45whatever on the gay scale I was it was

0:47:48very straight

0:47:50that's super gay is that I masculine men

0:47:54i don't find attractive at all about

0:47:55bears no no you don't like a bear right

0:47:58they find me attractive a distance i

0:47:59love bears are the friends of mine i

0:48:01have a couple friends that are bears or

0:48:03bear chasing guys and and the I gotta

0:48:05say of of the the different you know

0:48:08self-identifying groups and easily one

0:48:10of my favorites there's some go along

0:48:11get along guys able to make the beer

0:48:13Superman that

0:48:15I don't know like I don't know thousands

0:48:17of gay people but among my friends who

0:48:19are gay i think i think the bears are

0:48:20pound-for-pound the most fun

0:48:21well pound for pound pound for pound the

0:48:23thing about the Bears you like

0:48:24everything a day i was having like if I

0:48:27if I really needed to cry which net

0:48:29which which the last time it happened

0:48:31was nineteen eighty-four but if I really

0:48:33need to cry and I had a bear friends

0:48:35that I could just lay my head on his

0:48:37chest or and really really like have a

0:48:40good cry

0:48:41yeah that's that's the one type of

0:48:42person in the world that is big enough

0:48:44and furry enough and comforting enough

0:48:47but I could actually lean on them as

0:48:50opposed to always being the one that

0:48:52people lean on you go with one of those

0:48:54shiny gym rats that's all that's all

0:48:55things you don't like I don't like crazy

0:48:57exactly try to help that guy going to

0:48:58slide right off the the world my

0:49:01homosexuality manifests itself

0:49:03exclusively and being attracted two

0:49:05twinks that is not a word that is not a

0:49:07word that I know it's like a little

0:49:08filipino kind of guy

0:49:10well like a cabana boy you have like a

0:49:13compatible like your dad like a Moroccan

0:49:16how do you think it kind of tiny and

0:49:18friendly is tidies friendly smells good

0:49:20cook extremely good cook twi NK his hair

0:49:25his hair kind of like comes down

0:49:28playfully in front of his like Leonardo

0:49:30DiCaprio thing I could like a young

0:49:32Leonardo DiCaprio who is not playing a

0:49:34retarded pretty fat ok a tent and twink

0:49:37no no you know what fat is ok like a

0:49:39little chubby little little twink that's

0:49:41not those are the ones i always bet on

0:49:44it strength upon don't think twink is

0:49:46being funny okay i think that is in the

0:49:48the great game lexicon I think twink is

0:49:52an accepted reference something we're

0:49:55only allowed to call themselves that

0:49:56well like I like mexicans this is one of

0:50:00those things where I feel like I live on

0:50:02Capitol Hill have lived on capital for

0:50:04many as 50 miles house and talk about

0:50:05your mom's house and i am i'm entitled

0:50:07bye-bye grandfathering through and by

0:50:11you know by having my pinky and enough

0:50:13people's poopers that i can use the

0:50:15lexicon is very gentle very gentle how

0:50:18do you pick a pinky I don't you know

0:50:20what you actually you know what I don't

0:50:21want to go back to picture you

0:50:23twinks crying 1984 was an Olympic thing

0:50:27the crying of lot 49

0:50:29ok I got it really her thing when I

0:50:31cried in 1984 I've ever seen

0:50:33I was a teenager I cried because some

0:50:35girl was mean that's the first thing

0:50:37that's the last time you cried I don't

0:50:39know attractive my teeth with my parents

0:50:41yelled at me the last time I cried I

0:50:45don't know what I have everything I

0:50:46cried when my dad died

0:50:47oh I'm sorry about that well you start

0:50:51talking about crying and yeah I don't

0:50:52ask for

0:50:53I like that guy his fun to be around

0:50:55he's good he's a pistol he was a pistol

0:50:57in fact that's a phrase he would have

0:50:59used he's a pistol and now our listeners

0:51:03are going to think that you're making a

0:51:05silly dad voice but he sounded like that

0:51:07but 10 times more potent brew and

0:51:09managerial this one

0:51:16ok so I'm lightning around here

0:51:19ok so tristram shandy to finish it no

0:51:22keeps his Endymion long poem member at

0:51:25it

0:51:25infinite jest you ever go all the way

0:51:27through yeah i read it really okay i'll

0:51:29come back to that you listen problem but

0:51:30but more entertaining Maddox absolutely

0:51:33now you've been through Ulysses all the

0:51:34way

0:51:35no okay anyone home movie Empire no okay

0:51:39the closest I've gotten with any of

0:51:41these I've started Ulysses them i did

0:51:43Ricky doesn't give you all the way

0:51:44through which was brutal and I get

0:51:47partway through tristram shandy and I

0:51:48keep thinking each time like how awesome

0:51:51this book is and then again I'm dropping

0:51:53never come back as you don't do this

0:51:56Beowulf as a long one yeah true is it in

0:52:00its middle middle was that in like a

0:52:02translation or is it all that goofy

0:52:04middle-middle talk that metal talk the

0:52:06Middle English yeah I i keep thinking I

0:52:10can finish Ulysses and I can I can I

0:52:12feel like a dumbass

0:52:13I feel like I i I'm like Johnny liberal

0:52:15arts and I can't finish Ulysses I keep

0:52:17trying keep reading things alright

0:52:18you're not supposed to use its not its

0:52:20here's my thing about all these now the

0:52:22Warhol thing clearly that's a test for

0:52:24douchebags

0:52:25yeah because the thing about Ulysses

0:52:27over when it was written it presumed

0:52:29that people had an intimate familiarity

0:52:33with the Bible Shakespeare and of the

0:52:37great you know and and Wittgenstein and

0:52:40the great works of man up to that point

0:52:44right here

0:52:45so in order to properly read and

0:52:47understand that book you have to have

0:52:48you have to have a complete liberal arts

0:52:52education as understood in 1912 for and

0:52:56none of us do

0:52:57I mean I tried to accumulate that kind

0:53:00of education i tried to acquire it on my

0:53:02own

0:53:03through years of diligent study and i

0:53:05have i have an education that looks like

0:53:08i mean i have a completely checkerboard

0:53:10education so that none of the one of the

0:53:15illusions none of the one of the you

0:53:19know the the connective tissue that

0:53:21makes that book a tremendous read for

0:53:24someone

0:53:25like who is completely vested in

0:53:27literature run of that isn't available

0:53:30to me it's just I I'm just glancing off

0:53:33of it I'm like a pachinko ball going

0:53:35down it's really all I get that

0:53:37no I think I got that was that a

0:53:39reference well without her I don't even

0:53:42know what was that it was a reference to

0:53:44job was that a reference to Napoleon I

0:53:46don't understand and you you go through

0:53:48and you just like a lot of it is just a

0:53:51lot of it is just word game it's just

0:53:53game I hate to admit this at this point

0:53:56in my life but I've I've come to feel

0:53:59that way about the wasteland and so I

0:54:02mean I i actually there's a really good

0:54:04class that i did not take my favorite

0:54:06teachers tie at school which is called

0:54:08literary substrate of the wasteland and

0:54:10you do you know obviously read the

0:54:11wasteland studying stuff but you also

0:54:12read the bibliography like you you read

0:54:16you know just us 10 the Grail myth book

0:54:21you read you know you read every

0:54:23shakespeare thing that this referenced

0:54:25in that but the funny part is like the

0:54:27weird part is like I like that better as

0:54:29a piece of musicality with with the

0:54:31funny little bits of language and stuff

0:54:32in it and he does little crazy voices

0:54:34and stuff in here and read it but the

0:54:36more I learn about exactly what it was

0:54:38that he was aiding all this little Greek

0:54:40bit the more it just seemed kind of

0:54:41cobbled again that sounds that sounds

0:54:44awful because I just love it so much but

0:54:46now I guess you're just you're just a

0:54:48guy with a fake English accent showing

0:54:49off sometimes you know I think a lot of

0:54:51that stuff a lot of that literature as

0:54:53science was really important at the time

0:54:54and we live in a world now that is post

0:54:58that stuff so that stuff had to happen

0:55:00in order to free up the the mind free up

0:55:04the cultural to the culture of of

0:55:07literature so that it could produce a

0:55:10you know it could produce don delillo or

0:55:14whatever i'm not sure but but we we live

0:55:18we live in the aftermath of it and so it

0:55:21isn't strictly necessary that we go back

0:55:23and and participate in the revolution

0:55:28again we can just be happy that it

0:55:30happened and go on reading detective

0:55:33novels are stories that are interesting

0:55:35or fun i'm not saying

0:55:37unless they hate it or something i'm

0:55:38still think it's a remarkable remarkable

0:55:40thing but isn't it kind of funny that

0:55:42like you get this and components on my

0:55:44ass but you know you go through this

0:55:46very structured great books kind of

0:55:48Education everybody gets the same sort

0:55:50of Western culture education that they

0:55:52could have something like Ulysses makes

0:55:54sense for the wasteland kind of makes

0:55:55sense you'll even get the references you

0:55:58know I'm starting back to say like you

0:56:00know all that stuff means i guess but in

0:56:03a weird way they become sort of an

0:56:04indictment of the very education that

0:56:06you've had

0:56:07well the fingers that Ben colleges

0:56:09append the words great books to all

0:56:12kinds of curricula but no one has the

0:56:16attention to truly have a great books

0:56:18education anymore like no 1i i challenge

0:56:21you to find me a PhD student in

0:56:23literature that has read that has read

0:56:25one-fifth of the books that a high

0:56:28school graduate in 1870 had read you

0:56:31know like that

0:56:33there just isn't there isn't the reason

0:56:35to

0:56:36we don't need to have read all that

0:56:39stuff and they the only reason they did

0:56:41at the time was there wasn't anything

0:56:42else to do so we have we have this all

0:56:46like oh we're giving you a great books

0:56:48education at the universities and

0:56:50they're not you can take a film class

0:56:52you know you can't take this any of the

0:56:5450 is all well and good but I wish we

0:56:56had cable you know and you

0:56:59we just have to accept even as educated

0:57:02people who that there that we cannot

0:57:05just as we cannot go back to a time

0:57:07before you know when you know when women

0:57:12couldn't have the vote as much as we

0:57:14might want to

0:57:15we also cannot go back to a time when

0:57:18people were when when when the vast

0:57:20majority of people shared the same 20

0:57:24books when everyone had read the same

0:57:27any any educated person that read the

0:57:28same 20 books we can't go back to that

0:57:30you can't duplicate it and I feel sorry

0:57:32for those people who are 20 years old as

0:57:35I was who really think like that is

0:57:38essential is necessary for me to go back

0:57:41and read those 20 books and understand

0:57:43them

0:57:43in order to be a fully-fledged person

0:57:46because you spend a lot of time for

0:57:49beating your head up against a culture

0:57:52that is that the the important parts of

0:57:54the good parts of have been assimilated

0:57:56into our culture enough that most people

0:57:59you know those references go by and most

0:58:01people don't even know what they are

0:58:02that it's just it's just part of which i

0:58:04think it's kind of a MacGuffin now I

0:58:05mean in Texas to reference one of the

0:58:07great works of the last hundred years

0:58:09the karate kid I mean it's daniel son to

0:58:13understand how do these moves with the

0:58:16wax on wax off

0:58:17he thinks this guy's just some dumb fuck

0:58:18who is a gardener right but what he's

0:58:20teaching him is this repetition that

0:58:24ends up anything benefiting him in a way

0:58:26he didn't want i think some of the great

0:58:27book stuff i think people miss the point

0:58:28when they think it's about reading a

0:58:30bunch of white guys you know I I mean

0:58:32I'm not saying that's good better and

0:58:33different I mean if you do if you don't

0:58:35read a lot of Lady authors you're really

0:58:36gonna be missing out like if you don't

0:58:38read to kill a mockingbird or whatever

0:58:39like you're gonna you know these books

0:58:41you should read but I think there's

0:58:43something to be said for like whether or

0:58:44not you like the gym equipment to just

0:58:46keep going to the gym and thanksgiving

0:58:48somebody to a way where they could have

0:58:50a place where they could have an

0:58:51intelligent conversation based on having

0:58:53had to digest that much material is not

0:58:56a bad idea you know III don't know what

0:58:59could replace that I think it's I think

0:59:01we get really way off track sometimes

0:59:03with this whole like we don't value

0:59:04books anymore or you know I'm you know

0:59:07used to be you have five books in the

0:59:09Bible and that's all you had and/or or

0:59:11for that matter of those douchebags in

0:59:13the in like the early nineties who were

0:59:15about you know who really were like I'm

0:59:17trying to come up with some cultural

0:59:18cannon and then of course there's the

0:59:20other side this is no there shouldn't be

0:59:21a cultural cannon

0:59:22it's like I don't fucking care what you

0:59:23do but just do a lot of it until you're

0:59:25smart thats the hard part of that is not

0:59:28that you should sit there and learn your

0:59:29ciphers or whatever cipher and a bit

0:59:31like you know

0:59:32yeah you get good at multiplication

0:59:34because you learn all of those through

0:59:35hundred and eventually doing long enough

0:59:37and you know how to multiply this is

0:59:39this is the the problem of the karate

0:59:41kid analogy is that what was he an

0:59:43orphan or something

0:59:44ganesan I I never watched the

0:59:46Connecticut notices his mom I think you

0:59:49they divorced in his mom had to live in

0:59:50a cheap apartment right he was said

0:59:52there was something that he leaves

0:59:53office and that was the girl in that

0:59:55I have no idea but she's cute who's the

0:59:57girl in in war games

0:59:57girl in in war games

1:00:00Oh shady LCD she's slightly messed up

1:00:03teeth which I should keep them toxin in

1:00:05case the the myth of the karate kid is

1:00:07that any teenage kid I don't care if

1:00:10somebody's putting cigarettes out on

1:00:11your arms any teenage kid is going to go

1:00:13do chores for some guy until he becomes

1:00:17a karate expert topping a twink the

1:00:19brown the problem now is that I don't

1:00:22think that I don't think there is any

1:00:23depth left i think everyone has a

1:00:27tremendous tremendous fillip familiarity

1:00:30with it with an incredibly wide surface

1:00:33of information and to you know to equate

1:00:38I don't know

1:00:3922 to expect young people to to have the

1:00:44mental fitness to to learn anything at

1:00:49depth when there's so much at breath

1:00:51available I think we just have to we

1:00:54have to re-evaluate what being smart is

1:00:57we have to we have to just we have to

1:01:00acknowledge that being smart now is

1:01:02maybe a different thing that sounds

1:01:05really depressing to me

1:01:07well accept it accept it's a form of

1:01:09evolution of me being smart 50 years ago

1:01:12was a completely different thing that

1:01:13was in seventies a lot smarter literate

1:01:16i would say the definition of being

1:01:18literate is changing like litter in a

1:01:21sense of you know are you able to so I

1:01:23think being smart because what what

1:01:25being smart was 50 years ago was having

1:01:29at ready hand in your mind a tremendous

1:01:32encyclopedic knowledge of either one

1:01:36thing or of several things but now

1:01:39that's completely unnecessary it's a

1:01:40waste of your brain because all that

1:01:42knowledge is available on your phone i

1:01:43look at my phone six hundred times a day

1:01:45for her and what what good does it do

1:01:48for me to know I you know the the place

1:01:52names and dates

1:01:53I mean it's one thing for me to

1:01:54understand the course of the thirty

1:01:56years war and what its significance is

1:01:58in history but for me to remember any of

1:02:00the dates or place names is ludicrous i

1:02:03can i can find it on my phone and a half

1:02:05a second and so what we used to be

1:02:07caught what we used to call intelligence

1:02:09was in large part just memorization

1:02:13of things and now most of that has been

1:02:16made obsolete

1:02:17so what is intelligence now that we have

1:02:20to call it the ability to draw together

1:02:22disparate ideas and things across a wide

1:02:26spectrum of knowledge and make sense of

1:02:28them at the center you know we have to

1:02:30be able to draw on things and make snake

1:02:33and former hubs out in space and say

1:02:36here's the hub where you know where the

1:02:39Tama finland and and a MacGuffin here's

1:02:44where those things link up here is a

1:02:45world in which those things coexist who

1:02:47you have to be able to form those hubs

1:02:49and that is a different kind of

1:02:50intelligence than being able to memorize

1:02:52her being able to to pass your med

1:02:54school exam or you know it's a systemic

1:02:57knowledge it's a it's it's a much more

1:02:59biological bomb and then I mean india

1:03:02that having to read if you have to read

1:03:04all of the you know ancient greek stuff

1:03:07if you have to read you know all the

1:03:09Roman history stuff if you if you would

1:03:11ensure that could be a total death march

1:03:13but it gives you a real context for

1:03:15understanding things about history and

1:03:16relationships and as i said before i'm

1:03:18here i think it's really helpful to

1:03:19understand the stories you know I my

1:03:22concern with some of this goes back to

1:03:23how fucked up the educational system

1:03:25seems to be and and you know it will be

1:03:27a whole other season of this show to

1:03:29talk about the way kids are tested now

1:03:31we can be attached to the test

1:03:33believe me I think every person should

1:03:36read Plato and I think every person

1:03:39listening to this podcast if they have

1:03:40not read Plato they should go get

1:03:42play-doh and they should read it because

1:03:44it's all there like everything that you

1:03:47are wondering about right now is in

1:03:48Plato and if you have read it and

1:03:52understand and it's very easy to read

1:03:54that's the thing most people don't read

1:03:56from remember i read i read all the

1:03:58major dialogues and I honestly don't

1:03:59remember that much about I couldn't tell

1:04:01you which ones are wish I could take

1:04:02some names but I don't remember what

1:04:03happened to them

1:04:04I think if you went back and read it

1:04:06again you would find that it was a

1:04:07breezy read who's not like reading Freud

1:04:09it's like reading so it's very

1:04:12conversational river and really a lot of

1:04:16a lot of the stuff that you know that

1:04:19every year undergraduate goes cool

1:04:22oh my god i just had a great i just had

1:04:24a tremendous realization and 90

1:04:27and percent of the time that that

1:04:28realization was already in Plato and he

1:04:31could he could have saved himself the

1:04:33Domino's Pizza that it cost him to use

1:04:36his brain to figure it out because it's

1:04:37already it's already written down

1:04:39somebody already was there so i mean i'm

1:04:42not against the great books obviously

1:04:43don't let me try to give you an angle on

1:04:45what I'm actually trying to say here

1:04:46which which is that if you take

1:04:48something

1:04:49imagine this unholy mixture then and

1:04:52near the center of this i think you have

1:04:53to put the testing stuff the testing

1:04:54stuff is if you talk to anybody who's

1:04:56teaching school right now it's a

1:04:58completely different world than you and

1:04:59are in student no child left behind all

1:05:02that kind of nonsense if you want

1:05:03funding you know there's teachers who

1:05:04rather than having to cheat then having

1:05:06to like basically tell their kids what's

1:05:08on the test in order to you know get in

1:05:10the past so I mean that's me as an

1:05:11elephant in the room but here's the

1:05:13other part like an honest has always

1:05:14been on smart kids to educate themselves

1:05:17ok here's what I'm trying to say like

1:05:18there was it you said again there was a

1:05:20time when you could at least count on

1:05:22least when I was in public schools as a

1:05:23kid it might be the only thing in your

1:05:25life that was a real rock you might have

1:05:27had like a tough home life you might

1:05:30have had not much to eat but you can get

1:05:31a fucking yellow bus and go to school

1:05:33and there was a meal there for you if

1:05:34your tomato soup and they had a much

1:05:36bigger

1:05:37yeah but had a much better free

1:05:38breakfast I mean that had a much bigger

1:05:39role than just trying to just trying to

1:05:42get you to you know get George Bush

1:05:44reelected so right i want you here but

1:05:46here's what can here's what worries me a

1:05:47little bit is what if you took all the

1:05:49most hollow and pretentious and fucked

1:05:52up and broken and misunderstood pieces

1:05:55of the entire pedagogical culture of the

1:05:57last you know millennium and

1:05:59misunderstood them in such a way that it

1:06:01drain all of them up out of what made

1:06:04each they took out of armed each of them

1:06:07what made them special right so the

1:06:08great you know there's with you took

1:06:10these ideas of like well we should all

1:06:11have a common education or there should

1:06:13be some kind of a bar that we all agree

1:06:15represents this or you say a teacher

1:06:17should be you know and you know like

1:06:19Alexander pedagogical or not didactic

1:06:21but you become this kind of character

1:06:23that is respected you take all that and

1:06:24pretty soon you've got like half of some

1:06:26fuckhead at a community college

1:06:28who's sitting there and thinking any

1:06:30sister or something you know I'm just

1:06:32worried that if there's no center to

1:06:33this other than how we get our budget

1:06:35for next year

1:06:36nobody

1:06:36have any idea what the real purpose of

1:06:39being in that room is and when that

1:06:41happens i think that's when you get a

1:06:43nation of dumb fucks because you're

1:06:44gonna get people gaming the system much

1:06:46like you and you're going to get people

1:06:48who don't even understand why it's great

1:06:50to know the story why it's great to know

1:06:52that extra Rome was gay but why this is

1:06:55such an interesting story why like we

1:06:56say the founding fathers did not agree

1:06:58on that much of anything right but but

1:07:00but we already live in a nation of dumb

1:07:02fucks and part of that point at all that

1:07:05you get what I'm saying that if you take

1:07:06all the bullshit of what education seems

1:07:08like without taking the Hard the

1:07:10difficult and the interesting part that

1:07:12made it great

1:07:13overtime is a shell it's a fucking shell

1:07:16i think it has to be reinvented you've

1:07:18got you eat you had no pride no previous

1:07:20point in history where 300 million

1:07:22Americans you cannot educate 300 million

1:07:25people the same way that you would

1:07:26educate 20 million people you can't you

1:07:29can't expect that that that the

1:07:32definition of what is useful and

1:07:34reasonable for 300 million people to

1:07:36know is the same you know that when the

1:07:39United States was founded the number of

1:07:42people that the ten percent of the

1:07:44population was actually literate and it

1:07:47is in some ways it's the toaster problem

1:07:50after World War Two that there was this

1:07:53incredible influx into up into the

1:07:56American family of of labor-saving

1:07:59devices all we're going to give you the

1:08:01washing machine we're going to give you

1:08:02the dryer and the late all this labor is

1:08:04going to so much and so much free time

1:08:06so much free time and we are going to

1:08:07create a utopia for people sit around

1:08:10and write poems and make a you know and

1:08:14knit sweaters for trees and put a you

1:08:17know and and and make cufflinks out of

1:08:20old typewriter keys and sell them on

1:08:21Etsy like we're going to create this

1:08:24this utopic world utopian world because

1:08:27we're gonna have all this free time and

1:08:29we created all this free time and people

1:08:30the vast majority of peoples have now

1:08:34spent that time drinking 64-ounce

1:08:36mountain dews and watching television

1:08:37and that and that's not a eugenic ille

1:08:40argument it's a argument of just like

1:08:43listen that's always been the case there

1:08:45were there they're like literacy is not

1:08:50some kind of magic drug that creates a

1:08:55that creates like I like philosopher

1:08:58Kings out of everyone literacy is

1:09:01valuable and certain you know like a

1:09:05certain percent of the population

1:09:06exploits it and most people it just

1:09:09makes it easier to get around town i and

1:09:13III don't want to like devolved into a

1:09:15demographical like well I think two

1:09:20things one thing is also i mean i don't

1:09:21know this is just a conventional wisdom

1:09:23that's been exploded but the other side

1:09:24of the washer and dryer thing is it

1:09:26wasn't mom suddenly got to sit around

1:09:28and eat bonbons and take dexedrine it

1:09:30was that the standard went up the

1:09:33standard one up for what were expected

1:09:34to people that's that's what was not

1:09:36included in the vision of us being

1:09:37living and living in fucking Jetsons

1:09:39Rosie takes care of everything

1:09:40people thought that when washing driver

1:09:42came along or you know now you're gonna

1:09:44have to go get ice for your icebox

1:09:45frozen for standard of the standard went

1:09:48up only in only if you measure it one

1:09:51way I mean people still work already got

1:09:54his laundry they wanted to they wanted

1:09:55they wanted mom doing a little bit of

1:09:56laundry every day in some cases mom mom

1:09:59used to do laundry

1:10:01that was my name monday was a bad day

1:10:04exactly yeah and then Tuesday was

1:10:06ironing you know a that people still go

1:10:09to work for 40 hours a week but the

1:10:12amount of time they're actually working

1:10:13the first probably 15 hours and the rest

1:10:16of the time there there there be another

1:10:19fishing and about playing with their

1:10:20balls

1:10:24they will face you know when people went

1:10:26out to to work