Roderick on the Line

Ep. 18: "Main Pastrami Incisor"


00:00:00   well hi John how are you I'm Merlin man [TS]

00:00:10   i'll never get sick of it [TS]

00:00:13   you know what I'm gonna make it I gotta [TS]

00:00:14   work on the song thing this is getting [TS]

00:00:16   out of hand [TS]

00:00:17   the problem was that like for us this [TS]

00:00:19   already the problem with that being a [TS]

00:00:20   theme song is that the next line is [TS]

00:00:22   don't mean a thing [TS]

00:00:24   oh you Merlin man's don't mean a thing [TS]

00:00:28   to me but that's not true you do mean [TS]

00:00:31   something to me and uh huh [TS]

00:00:33   and so it's it's hard for me to sing [TS]

00:00:35   that even though its it's stuck in my [TS]

00:00:38   head [TS]

00:00:39   whoo-hoo because because i can't because [TS]

00:00:41   the sentiment doesn't reflect my true [TS]

00:00:43   feelings through art party says Jermaine [TS]

00:00:47   and other parts is tito now is that [TS]

00:00:50   nasty boys is that what you're saying [TS]

00:00:51   yeah it's a it's janet is a lot of [TS]

00:00:54   controversy about this John people i [TS]

00:00:56   think people have made the argument [TS]

00:00:57   persuasively that you're actually [TS]

00:00:58   singing something different [TS]

00:01:00   I don't want your musician your [TS]

00:01:01   professional musician I'm not going to [TS]

00:01:02   tell you what the people have ten years [TS]

00:01:04   me all you have to do is hold up that [TS]

00:01:07   that a that web app or that that iphone [TS]

00:01:10   app up to the stereos to see how how bad [TS]

00:01:14   technology is at identifying songs say [TS]

00:01:17   what buddy that has come a long way [TS]

00:01:18   since that day you and I tried to find [TS]

00:01:22   your son's come with very long way it [TS]

00:01:23   has come a long way but the prop my [TS]

00:01:24   problem is that the songs that I want to [TS]

00:01:26   identify i'm usually listening to in a [TS]

00:01:30   crowded supermarket at really low volume [TS]

00:01:33   and I hold my phone up in the air to try [TS]

00:01:36   and get the to try and get the audio but [TS]

00:01:39   there clattering shopping carts and [TS]

00:01:42   yelling kids and the thing can't it [TS]

00:01:44   can't sort the music out from them what [TS]

00:01:46   you know what it needs to do it needs to [TS]

00:01:48   use hearing aid technology from as I [TS]

00:01:51   think they're perfecting hearing aids [TS]

00:01:53   that can sort out the background noise [TS]

00:01:54   and focus the attention of the device on [TS]

00:01:58   the on the the interesting part i read [TS]

00:02:01   an article about this is not blasting [TS]

00:02:02   the high mids and it simply it's a huge [TS]

00:02:05   move forward in the technology last [TS]

00:02:07   thing the Hyneman I can hear anything [TS]

00:02:08   more John I [TS]

00:02:10   i I just not even like my eyesight my [TS]

00:02:12   hearing is all going to hell I'm going [TS]

00:02:14   to need something like that iphone app [TS]

00:02:15   just a halter so i can understand what [TS]

00:02:18   kind of dressing they have at the [TS]

00:02:19   restaurant I'll I'll and bed at night [TS]

00:02:21   and listen to the symphony of whistling [TS]

00:02:25   and whining happening in my ears and I'm [TS]

00:02:28   alone in my house it's not like it's [TS]

00:02:30   some girl next to me whistling and [TS]

00:02:31   whining know the sound of my own ears [TS]

00:02:34   slowly disintegrating you have the [TS]

00:02:37   tinnitus [TS]

00:02:38   yeah I never had it before i went to [TS]

00:02:42   rock shows for 25 years I never had a [TS]

00:02:44   whistling in my ear and then i went to a [TS]

00:02:47   bachelor party of a friend of mine where [TS]

00:02:49   we were firing ak-47 as you do and you [TS]

00:02:56   know you you were in this bunker of a [TS]

00:02:59   firing range cement wall cement floor [TS]

00:03:02   cement ceiling and everybody gets done [TS]

00:03:05   shooting their guns and we all take our [TS]

00:03:06   ear phones off to sit and talk about how [TS]

00:03:10   great the guns are and then everyone [TS]

00:03:13   gets back into firing position and i [TS]

00:03:15   have my earphone off on my right ear [TS]

00:03:18   I just forgot to put it back and [TS]

00:03:20   somebody shoots a bullet and the the [TS]

00:03:23   sound echoes around this concrete room [TS]

00:03:26   and goes right into my ear and I knew [TS]

00:03:30   right then like oh I have done permanent [TS]

00:03:31   damage to myself and sure enough [TS]

00:03:36   still now two years later you could get [TS]

00:03:42   that was I remember you talking about [TS]

00:03:44   that was two years ago [TS]

00:03:45   yeah and I and I went I went to an ER [TS]

00:03:47   doctor and he was like oh and he was one [TS]

00:03:49   of these doctors with the bedside manner [TS]

00:03:51   of a person that had been unfrozen from [TS]

00:03:55   a glacier like like he had only just met [TS]

00:04:00   modern humans today and you know I'm [TS]

00:04:04   asking him questions about like this [TS]

00:04:06   matters to me like my ears are kind of [TS]

00:04:08   my are part of my job and are you [TS]

00:04:10   whistling what does allow that's a [TS]

00:04:13   that's a siren I was I'm sorry I gashed [TS]

00:04:15   away definitely to try i thought i could [TS]

00:04:17   play it off the jit I thought John still [TS]

00:04:19   gonna be talking about his hearing and [TS]

00:04:20   run back and i got totally clocked [TS]

00:04:22   because there was a just siren and I you [TS]

00:04:24   don't like that this program i'm [TS]

00:04:25   extremely sorry that I did that was [TS]

00:04:27   inappropriate [TS]

00:04:28   that's hilarious no it's not it's not I [TS]

00:04:30   I I apologized saying I'm sorry I'm very [TS]

00:04:32   focused when I'm time do I thought you [TS]

00:04:34   had gone to the other side of the room [TS]

00:04:35   and whistled to try and test my hearing [TS]

00:04:37   which would have been a very clever move [TS]

00:04:39   that's break you [TS]

00:04:41   I can't hear it but I could hear it but [TS]

00:04:43   in any case this doctor was like he was [TS]

00:04:45   just a he was a bad doctor he was a bad [TS]

00:04:48   doctor in parti-colored dockers i'm [TS]

00:04:51   sorry i missed 30 seconds of this was [TS]

00:04:52   your first indication that this is a bad [TS]

00:04:54   doctor but be just had no bedside manner [TS]

00:04:58   he you know he look every time you ask [TS]

00:05:00   him to call every time I ask my question [TS]

00:05:01   i don't know why i'm using the universal [TS]

00:05:02   you every time I asked my question [TS]

00:05:05   he acted like he had never been asked a [TS]

00:05:07   question before I like it was an [TS]

00:05:08   imposition on him but in any case he's [TS]

00:05:12   an audiologist you want to do now he's a [TS]

00:05:14   ear nose and throat no I guess not even [TS]

00:05:16   a nose and throat he just does the ears [TS]

00:05:17   and anna and he said oh well if you had [TS]

00:05:21   come in to see me [TS]

00:05:23   yeah within three days of the of a [TS]

00:05:25   sustaining that injury we could have [TS]

00:05:27   done something about it [TS]

00:05:29   what a cock yeah and i was looking at [TS]

00:05:32   some fucking morning after pill for [TS]

00:05:33   further please [TS]

00:05:34   I think they do they have a [TS]

00:05:35   morning-after pill for her ear cut plan [TS]

00:05:38   E but then the one hopeful thing the one [TS]

00:05:41   hopeful thing he said he kind of like [TS]

00:05:43   looked at me kind of confidentially [TS]

00:05:45   after because I was trying to warm him [TS]

00:05:47   up you know with the Aug you do with [TS]

00:05:48   doctors [TS]

00:05:49   when you meet him for the first time [TS]

00:05:50   there's that thing of like oh you're a [TS]

00:05:53   doctor and I I used to be in all of [TS]

00:05:56   doctors before i had before a lot of my [TS]

00:05:58   highschool friends became doctors and I [TS]

00:06:00   realized that any dingus can be a doctor [TS]

00:06:02   but you try and you know you try to warm [TS]

00:06:05   up like this guy's gonna have his finger [TS]

00:06:06   in my butter I mean obviously not the [TS]

00:06:08   ear doctor but a doctor could put his [TS]

00:06:12   finger in your butt you wasn't he's a [TS]

00:06:14   doctor I mean he's giving advice [TS]

00:06:16   well he's calling the shots he asking [TS]

00:06:18   sounds I think that doctors could make [TS]

00:06:20   the case that they probably feel your [TS]

00:06:21   butt a little bit he leans in kind of [TS]

00:06:23   confidential and he goes but just [TS]

00:06:26   between you and me you know in the next [TS]

00:06:27   couple of here couple years almost done [TS]

00:06:29   in the next couple of years in the next [TS]

00:06:31   couple of years [TS]

00:06:32   we're going to have a thing to fix this [TS]

00:06:34   tinnitus I guess any work but that's [TS]

00:06:37   right that's right then he was like say [TS]

00:06:40   no more i am you know like don't [TS]

00:06:42   reference it again I was like really [TS]

00:06:44   like new technology and he was like hmm [TS]

00:06:47   did you book your book an appointment [TS]

00:06:49   we're very close we're very close to a [TS]

00:06:51   major breakthrough you should put the [TS]

00:06:53   point of couple years from now check [TS]

00:06:54   back in what was interesting to me was [TS]

00:06:56   that this ear doctor at the polyclinic [TS]

00:06:58   on broadway in seattle is somehow tapped [TS]

00:06:59   into some like super super like deep in [TS]

00:07:03   a mountainside lab your doctors that are [TS]

00:07:06   very close to making this major [TS]

00:07:09   breakthrough and I'm like what what did [TS]

00:07:11   you just get back from a conference or [TS]

00:07:13   something out you guys also like text [TS]

00:07:16   each other [TS]

00:07:17   how do you know I don't want to make [TS]

00:07:19   this about world war two John but what [TS]

00:07:20   if he's involved in some kind of noise [TS]

00:07:23   commandos shorts commanders I said Mel [TS]

00:07:26   Brooks joke haha sorry ocular mean I [TS]

00:07:29   ocular means are ok with someone for [TS]

00:07:31   years [TS]

00:07:32   oral you can eat your killer what if [TS]

00:07:35   he's an ear killer Manhattan Project [TS]

00:07:37   have you thought about that he might be [TS]

00:07:39   working with some of the great minds of [TS]

00:07:40   Germany that he's lulled over here he [TS]

00:07:43   somehow he somehow attracted the burner [TS]

00:07:45   hurt Sox of of the eardrums to work on [TS]

00:07:48   the city maybe he can't say anymore [TS]

00:07:50   because it would you know obviously you [TS]

00:07:52   can be trusted with a secret because you [TS]

00:07:53   were at one point almost in Special [TS]

00:07:55   Forces probably said too much I don't [TS]

00:07:58   like that though John I don't like that [TS]

00:07:59   about doctors I don't I i like the kind [TS]

00:08:01   of doctors that are very down-to-earth [TS]

00:08:03   and you know I don't fucking know about [TS]

00:08:05   a lot of this stuff is buttery what we [TS]

00:08:07   can do for you [TS]

00:08:08   you know I an explosion went off by your [TS]

00:08:09   ear and like from from from the dawn of [TS]

00:08:11   time until now there's very little we [TS]

00:08:13   can do about that could be part of your [TS]

00:08:14   ear just got blown up a little bit dr. [TS]

00:08:16   they're talking about is smoking [TS]

00:08:17   Winston's while he's talking to you I'm [TS]

00:08:19   not much we can do [TS]

00:08:20   I think I promising a t-zone I i put [TS]

00:08:23   this high put this out there on the [TS]

00:08:24   internet the other day I was like look [TS]

00:08:25   I'm looking for a doctor and I want an [TS]

00:08:27   old-school doctor I don't want I don't [TS]

00:08:30   want a doctor who's going to tell me [TS]

00:08:32   about Eastern medicine I don't want a [TS]

00:08:35   doctor who's going to tell me that I [TS]

00:08:36   need to do aerobics I want the doctor [TS]

00:08:39   was just gonna be like an old-school [TS]

00:08:42   doctor who smoke cigarettes and he talks [TS]

00:08:44   to me like a like a guy right and so I [TS]

00:08:47   put this out there and on my facebook [TS]

00:08:49   page i get 30 replies from people like [TS]

00:08:52   oh you should use my doctor doctor you [TS]

00:08:55   know dr. Brianna McPherson she's amazing [TS]

00:08:59   and I'm like you're not listening to me [TS]

00:09:01   i'm not going to a doctor named brianna [TS]

00:09:04   she's gonna tell me that i need to [TS]

00:09:07   robust eyes i want i want a doctor he's [TS]

00:09:10   gonna talk about your lifestyle [TS]

00:09:12   yeah I need a doctor named Herman who [TS]

00:09:16   comes in the stethoscope is fucking [TS]

00:09:18   freezing [TS]

00:09:19   you're gonna get your naked is not even [TS]

00:09:22   a gown just you stand there naked while [TS]

00:09:24   he smokes that's the kind of doctor you [TS]

00:09:25   want you want somebody who goes you know [TS]

00:09:27   what there's no surgery for that yet [TS]

00:09:28   he's smoking he has a really cold [TS]

00:09:30   stethoscope and he has a pair of pliers [TS]

00:09:32   in his back pocket and and we sit and we [TS]

00:09:37   talked about you know we talked for 45 [TS]

00:09:38   minutes before he says so what's the [TS]

00:09:41   matter [TS]

00:09:41   yeah but anyway so I i made a doctor's [TS]

00:09:45   appointment or actually I didn't make a [TS]

00:09:46   doctor's appoint someone made a doctor's [TS]

00:09:48   appointment for me and I haven't been to [TS]

00:09:50   the doctor and I don't know how long i [TS]

00:09:53   don't i don't believe in doctors who [TS]

00:09:55   haven't gone to the doctor in a long [TS]

00:09:56   time but i but I i was bitching about [TS]

00:09:59   this and and then a person close to me [TS]

00:10:03   said you know what I'm gonna make your [TS]

00:10:04   doctor's appointment and now i have one [TS]

00:10:07   so i have to go to the doctor is nearby [TS]

00:10:10   how I mean everything in seattle is [TS]

00:10:13   nearby [TS]

00:10:14   but its a Mann's not nearby because in [TS]

00:10:17   my neighborhood there are no facilities [TS]

00:10:19   i live in a neighborhood with no [TS]

00:10:21   facilities nothing like a free clinic i [TS]

00:10:24   guess there they just built a free [TS]

00:10:26   clinic down the street which really [TS]

00:10:28   angered me because it was on this it was [TS]

00:10:31   on a lot that could have been a nice [TS]

00:10:32   cafe and they built a medical facility [TS]

00:10:35   for poor people and i have and as if [TS]

00:10:38   there aren't enough of those right right [TS]

00:10:40   the count is that really the Catalan [TS]

00:10:42   encourage there should have been there [TS]

00:10:43   should be there are no cafes down here [TS]

00:10:45   and there are like there are all kinds [TS]

00:10:48   of medical clinics and veterinarians [TS]

00:10:49   stuff textcaster question you think you [TS]

00:10:51   think those people are actually getting [TS]

00:10:52   their health is actually improving i'm [TS]

00:10:54   going to guess probably not [TS]

00:10:55   you can throw as many clinics as you [TS]

00:10:56   want we know what you can do carbon [TS]

00:10:58   offsets you say for every one of these [TS]

00:10:59   clinics you've also got a build like a [TS]

00:11:01   cafe and nice cafe not like some kind of [TS]

00:11:03   scored together cafe was a korean guy [TS]

00:11:05   like I want a nice cafe was real coffee [TS]

00:11:08   i want i want Angry ladies with tattoos [TS]

00:11:10   exactly is as much a skunk that's how [TS]

00:11:13   much to ask I think things are all the [TS]

00:11:15   all the tattoo coffee shops are all up [TS]

00:11:18   in the neighborhood where there are no [TS]

00:11:21   brown people and I live down with the [TS]

00:11:23   brown people and they did you know [TS]

00:11:24   nobody serves services them with good [TS]

00:11:26   coffee [TS]

00:11:27   he missed he missed the capital [TS]

00:11:28   experienc know it's irrelevant to me now [TS]

00:11:31   I go up there and I walk around and I [TS]

00:11:33   feel like a minute late lady gaga video [TS]

00:11:35   and I I don't that's just the men i [TS]

00:11:39   can't i can't i cannot identify all I [TS]

00:11:44   can identify our I mean I look around at [TS]

00:11:46   the kids and I see all of the I see all [TS]

00:11:49   of the ways in which the men have ripped [TS]

00:11:51   off my fashion sense so calling and the [TS]

00:11:55   girls have all ripped off the fashion [TS]

00:11:57   senses of all the girls I was dating 10 [TS]

00:11:59   years ago [TS]

00:12:00   it's really annoying with a little bit [TS]

00:12:03   of editing that could be a hit Willie [TS]

00:12:04   Nelson song you know there's a prob with [TS]

00:12:07   diversity John the problem diversity is [TS]

00:12:09   it was always benefit all brother [TS]

00:12:11   there's so many there's so many problems [TS]

00:12:13   with diversity and I know what I don't [TS]

00:12:15   go ping pong i'm going to skip the whole [TS]

00:12:16   cafe problem that black box will come [TS]

00:12:18   back to that in another time [TS]

00:12:19   Rachel room I [TS]

00:12:21   what well I don't know I didn't say [TS]

00:12:22   anything did I also love your arms it's [TS]

00:12:24   a lady thing too isn't it [TS]

00:12:26   oh I just said about now you never are [TS]

00:12:29   saucy man mama and you know I don't [TS]

00:12:38   diversity diversity you know what we [TS]

00:12:40   shouldn't even open that box if you know [TS]

00:12:42   what I mean when I was in fifth grade [TS]

00:12:43   yet don't open the black box me when I [TS]

00:12:46   was in fifth grade now without a strong [TS]

00:12:48   cup of coffee when I was in fifth grade [TS]

00:12:50   my reading book was called serendipity [TS]

00:12:53   100 this is different now what we are [TS]

00:12:57   two books is that right [TS]

00:12:58   serendipity and diversity writes [TS]

00:13:00   anything to her second have talked about [TS]

00:13:01   this 50 in sixth grade serendipity [TS]

00:13:04   university has some science centers have [TS]

00:13:06   told us that they had the same books [TS]

00:13:07   I've heard that yeah I i did not realize [TS]

00:13:09   that diversity was going to be such a [TS]

00:13:12   problem later [TS]

00:13:13   yeah Israel is it it's you know it's one [TS]

00:13:15   of those things like auto insurance like [TS]

00:13:16   it seems like a good idea you know you [TS]

00:13:19   maybe yeah but i feel i feel like when i [TS]

00:13:22   run for president my platform will be no [TS]

00:13:24   more nanny-state mandatory auto [TS]

00:13:27   insurance [TS]

00:13:28   true true because there's a lot of force [TS]

00:13:31   insurance going to the Obamacare rhino [TS]

00:13:34   tonight mama care and I know you don't [TS]

00:13:38   want to talk about it since when I look [TS]

00:13:39   I'm not gonna talk about the Tea Party [TS]

00:13:40   that I like that I like that you're [TS]

00:13:42   talking about all these things that I [TS]

00:13:43   assume people on fox news talk about I [TS]

00:13:45   like they're coming up with these [TS]

00:13:46   portmanteaus you know what those are [TS]

00:13:48   very sticky but you can have a sticky [TS]

00:13:50   portman tell by just just smashing a [TS]

00:13:52   couple things together you know my god [TS]

00:13:55   I'm just let's see what it's a couple of [TS]

00:13:57   good against your business name like mr. [TS]

00:13:59   Chand not see I've never heard that [TS]

00:14:00   before that was good i just pointed yeah [TS]

00:14:03   I'm sure that I'm sure we'll see that on [TS]

00:14:06   fox news in in two months [TS]

00:14:08   what about diversity sexual diversity [TS]

00:14:10   sexual mood or a and I'm thinking about [TS]

00:14:15   that this morning actually the diverse [TS]

00:14:17   sexuality because you know that it'sit's [TS]

00:14:20   this common trope that if you if you let [TS]

00:14:23   the gays marry if you let the gays out [TS]

00:14:24   of the stables and everybody's gonna [TS]

00:14:27   know all that although like the young [TS]

00:14:30   boys who are on the fence [TS]

00:14:32   asian men who are on the fence that [TS]

00:14:34   argument makes me so angry you're gonna [TS]

00:14:36   see that the gay lifestyle is so going [TS]

00:14:39   around them they're gonna recruit like [TS]

00:14:40   they're out there getting Hitler Youth [TS]

00:14:42   playing a tube and bang on the drum and [TS]

00:14:43   suddenly everybody was a uniform i don't [TS]

00:14:45   i don't think that's how it works John [TS]

00:14:46   Roderick well let me let me tell you [TS]

00:14:48   from from personal experience when I was [TS]

00:14:51   a young man in my early twenties and I [TS]

00:14:55   moved to Seattle it was during the it [TS]

00:14:58   was during the big explosion of the gay [TS]

00:15:00   rights time the gay rights movement [TS]

00:15:01   right the the uh we're out and we're [TS]

00:15:06   proud and what I think when i arrived in [TS]

00:15:10   seattle 1990 it was just it was just at [TS]

00:15:14   the beginning you know there was still a [TS]

00:15:15   very vibrant underground gay culture and [TS]

00:15:18   then gay culture went went mainstream [TS]

00:15:21   and it happened very fast and I was [TS]

00:15:23   living right in the middle of it as a [TS]

00:15:24   young person surrounded by other young [TS]

00:15:26   people and being gay singh very exciting [TS]

00:15:30   days had a good sense of humor [TS]

00:15:34   they were they were chic they seem to be [TS]

00:15:38   that they felt newly liberated [TS]

00:15:40   light-hearted intellectual good shoes [TS]

00:15:43   yeah I wanted to feel newly liberated I [TS]

00:15:45   too had been living in a closet of a [TS]

00:15:47   kind the closet of of unacceptability [TS]

00:15:53   unacceptable notice i wanted to feel [TS]

00:15:56   liberated [TS]

00:15:57   where's my parade that's right where's [TS]

00:16:00   my parade where's Mike Wright was my [TS]

00:16:03   pleasure that I get to our dolphin [TS]

00:16:04   shorts on [TS]

00:16:05   where's my where's my world war one [TS]

00:16:07   aficionado parade [TS]

00:16:09   yeah well some sellers my throbbing it's [TS]

00:16:11   raining men loop so i went to a lot of [TS]

00:16:14   parties with my gay friends and I tried [TS]

00:16:16   out the gay lifestyle is not the [TS]

00:16:20   one-time shot with that big black buck [TS]

00:16:22   ears this is this is ongoing [TS]

00:16:24   this is an ongoing human experiment [TS]

00:16:25   you're participating and willfully [TS]

00:16:27   knowingly you were trying something on [TS]

00:16:29   correct true for a couple years there i [TS]

00:16:32   would make out with boys when the [TS]

00:16:34   opportunity presented itself which it [TS]

00:16:36   frequently did and and I really said you [TS]

00:16:40   know let's try that lets what about [TS]

00:16:43   bisexual [TS]

00:16:44   let's try bisexual [TS]

00:16:45   see what that let's see how that feels [TS]

00:16:47   and I really feel like if it were if it [TS]

00:16:52   were possible for a person to change [TS]

00:16:55   their sexual orientation by exerting the [TS]

00:17:00   there will be if it were possible for a [TS]

00:17:03   person to cheat let me let me simplify [TS]

00:17:05   that by using the word choose for [TS]

00:17:07   possible to choose your sexual [TS]

00:17:09   orientation [TS]

00:17:10   I think I would have chosen to have AI [TS]

00:17:13   in fact i tried to choose to have a more [TS]

00:17:15   open sexual orientation then it turns [TS]

00:17:19   out i ended up with a friend [TS]

00:17:22   we're in the final accounting i realized [TS]

00:17:25   that i was ten percent bisexual not [TS]

00:17:30   enough to sustain a bi sexual [TS]

00:17:31   relationship just does that is [TS]

00:17:33   introduction to say that makes you five [TS]

00:17:34   percent gay or how's that breakdown a [TS]

00:17:36   pie graph mi would say he founded by [TS]

00:17:40   special thing to be you on the bubble [TS]

00:17:41   and you're right it's square in the [TS]

00:17:43   middle [TS]

00:17:44   what you doing huh had sixteen percent k [TS]

00:17:46   i'm never gonna say bite ya know I was [TS]

00:17:48   let's say i was twenty percent bisexual [TS]

00:17:50   10-percent game [TS]

00:17:51   okay but uh but when i when i read this [TS]

00:17:54   all this like hyperbole about all if we [TS]

00:17:58   if we legalize gay marriage then oh it's [TS]

00:18:00   just the beginning of this slippery [TS]

00:18:01   slope or pretty soon it's just gonna be [TS]

00:18:03   a pro Tosh in elevators and it looks [TS]

00:18:08   like that mean that the argument these [TS]

00:18:10   ppl makes its that's sweeping the other [TS]

00:18:11   guys and Castle it let me guess it's [TS]

00:18:13   gonna be it's like we're one step away [TS]

00:18:16   John it's not possible john i'm going to [TS]

00:18:18   share a very fast and don't take your [TS]

00:18:19   girl here but i wanna i wanna very fast [TS]

00:18:22   anecdote and visit my mama few years ago [TS]

00:18:23   my mom you know she's really serious you [TS]

00:18:28   know she carries a gun and stuff and not [TS]

00:18:30   just 14 mm yep yep in so our friend of [TS]

00:18:33   hers who you know why has been like a [TS]

00:18:36   thumb sick family member since childhood [TS]

00:18:38   on she's like and she's fun like the bay [TS]

00:18:41   area originally she's from like he's [TS]

00:18:43   made no from the east bay and when I go [TS]

00:18:45   clean but like you know the white people [TS]

00:18:47   might go out in east and she and she [TS]

00:18:50   current shouting no no that's that's [TS]

00:18:52   north but she's picking your kind of [TS]

00:18:54   picking a thing with me and I can [TS]

00:18:55   already feel she's picking a thing with [TS]

00:18:57   me like oh present [TS]

00:18:58   from San Francisco and yeah that's [TS]

00:19:00   pretty rare and expensive and it's nice [TS]

00:19:02   there's lots to do and Jim she's [TS]

00:19:04   implying sheezy you can feel it you know [TS]

00:19:08   it is your lips witchy ways i have to [TS]

00:19:11   get sorry if I don't know if it's even [TS]

00:19:13   me it's just more like watching an old [TS]

00:19:15   man tried to punch somebody who's not [TS]

00:19:16   even there like she's got she's getting [TS]

00:19:18   ready to swing and like there's nothing [TS]

00:19:20   to really hit and I'm not taking the [TS]

00:19:22   bait and your mom's friend she is my [TS]

00:19:24   mom's friend and I'm buttonholed like [TS]

00:19:26   I'm stuck by her like in a bar I can't [TS]

00:19:28   get out [TS]

00:19:29   I'm stop hold you're stuck by her in a [TS]

00:19:31   bar near buttonholed your buttonhole [TS]

00:19:35   dinner party I tried and they've been [TS]

00:19:36   sitting next to somebody where you want [TS]

00:19:38   to literally kill yourself a dental and [TS]

00:19:40   they're gonna try again but holding my [TS]

00:19:41   seat in the early nineties right hey [TS]

00:19:43   justjust that outside with something IDK [TS]

00:19:46   so what did you think about one concept [TS]

00:19:47   while working on this vote voting i [TS]

00:19:49   think voting is what happened in seattle [TS]

00:19:51   i'm going to continue to focus is huge [TS]

00:19:53   and so and so she's needling me now and [TS]

00:19:56   I'm not really taking the bait and and I [TS]

00:19:57   I go straight into the story that I [TS]

00:19:59   believe in my heart is part of what [TS]

00:20:02   makes san francisco in san francisco is [TS]

00:20:04   such a stupid fucking town in so many [TS]

00:20:06   ways but i will tell you one thing I [TS]

00:20:07   genuinely love about San Francisco it [TS]

00:20:10   was like the yeah it's like the island [TS]

00:20:13   of misfit toys huh [TS]

00:20:14   we never got to this in one of our [TS]

00:20:16   previous World War two discussions but [TS]

00:20:17   you know what made one thing was there [TS]

00:20:19   an island of misfit toys & World War two [TS]

00:20:21   I think you're thinking rankin/bass [TS]

00:20:22   here's what happened [TS]

00:20:24   you got if you got this is you don't [TS]

00:20:27   steal my job my job is to derail your [TS]

00:20:30   job is to talk about the cold where [TS]

00:20:31   where I i'm going to be an interrupting [TS]

00:20:34   cow this episode let's ride bikes [TS]

00:20:36   I'm sony i'm sorry and i believe this [TS]

00:20:40   like his first of all just a little bit [TS]

00:20:41   back in the sack I don't know is I see [TS]

00:20:43   accurate but it's my understanding that [TS]

00:20:46   in world war two if you got thrown out [TS]

00:20:49   of the armed forces in the Pacific [TS]

00:20:50   Theater for being gay [TS]

00:20:53   hey guess where they dropped you off [TS]

00:20:55   bikini atoll very close another place [TS]

00:20:59   that the bomb the port of San Francisco [TS]

00:21:01   so you are somebody who got kicked out [TS]

00:21:04   for being a the game San Francisco [TS]

00:21:07   started in World War two [TS]

00:21:09   is a wanted to see this is 1 this is one [TS]

00:21:11   Ark there's another arc which is of [TS]

00:21:12   course like the beats and stuff but [TS]

00:21:14   that's all you know there's a synergy to [TS]

00:21:15   all these stuff happening and one of [TS]

00:21:17   them is there's a whole bunch of people [TS]

00:21:18   think about that think about the self [TS]

00:21:20   selection of that like you were a gay [TS]

00:21:21   dude in the in the fucking Navy Army [TS]

00:21:24   whatever who acted upon it like you were [TS]

00:21:26   ready to like risk that sure you get [TS]

00:21:29   thrown out and you're like holy fucking [TS]

00:21:31   shit there's all these other dudes here [TS]

00:21:33   who wanted the same thing [TS]

00:21:34   yes hooray exactly and it's like this [TS]

00:21:37   it's like your snake plissken but it is [TS]

00:21:40   being dropped into a new york city [TS]

00:21:42   prison camp it's all shiny guys you're [TS]

00:21:45   dropped into a hilltop city surrounded [TS]

00:21:50   by water and donald pleasance want to [TS]

00:21:52   suck your dick [TS]

00:21:53   my point is you land and I think first [TS]

00:21:55   of all let's partay [TS]

00:21:56   I think that's glorious I think it's [TS]

00:21:58   amazing if you're somebody who has [TS]

00:21:59   trouble understanding how you fit into [TS]

00:22:01   the world and who you are to land in an [TS]

00:22:03   environment where suddenly you're not [TS]

00:22:05   the definitely like quote-unquote fucked [TS]

00:22:07   up person and and I'm trying to make [TS]

00:22:09   this case to her and saying hey lucky no [TS]

00:22:10   castro street in in 1976 really listen I [TS]

00:22:13   was just you have really engage this [TS]

00:22:15   woman and conversation right now I'm [TS]

00:22:17   trying to make a case to her that that [TS]

00:22:18   she's saying the gay marriage should not [TS]

00:22:21   happen San Francisco implying I know [TS]

00:22:23   she's saying gay marriage never happened [TS]

00:22:24   and she's saying that basically San [TS]

00:22:26   Francisco is like this petri dish for [TS]

00:22:28   wrong and anyway I made the same case [TS]

00:22:30   different and I made to my mom like she [TS]

00:22:33   would see two guys kissing and get super [TS]

00:22:35   uncomfortable not imagine you spent your [TS]

00:22:37   entire life feeling like you're the only [TS]

00:22:39   person in the world who is really [TS]

00:22:40   screwed up about something and then you [TS]

00:22:42   found a million other people or you know [TS]

00:22:44   whatever hundred thousand people who [TS]

00:22:45   felt the same way you because your [TS]

00:22:47   family right and i think i was like you [TS]

00:22:49   know you've got kids would love it if [TS]

00:22:51   your kids felt out of place the whole [TS]

00:22:53   life and they finally found somebody [TS]

00:22:54   that understood them [TS]

00:22:55   no not of your kids were kissing some [TS]

00:22:58   other other person of the same sex [TS]

00:23:00   clothes she said what auto ship said the [TS]

00:23:02   problem is if we allow gay marriage [TS]

00:23:04   people also be like allowed to marry [TS]

00:23:06   their dogs and I don't [TS]

00:23:08   and I was dumbstruck because I I always [TS]

00:23:12   thought that was one of those [TS]

00:23:13   make-believe like hillbilly things [TS]

00:23:14   people said this is an educated woman [TS]

00:23:16   who is a successful professional who [TS]

00:23:18   thinks that gay people fuck children and [TS]

00:23:21   dogs [TS]

00:23:21   well if you read your history yeah you [TS]

00:23:23   will you before work you this before [TS]

00:23:26   World War 2 the the ones great nation of [TS]

00:23:28   slop obeah witch which legalized man on [TS]

00:23:33   dog marriage and it's spelled the end of [TS]

00:23:36   their civilization [TS]

00:23:37   so this happened this is sort of like [TS]

00:23:39   between the Etruscans and the Assyrians [TS]

00:23:42   the Slovenians were great seafaring [TS]

00:23:44   people and the house and semen [TS]

00:23:50   well there was considerable semen and [TS]

00:23:52   and they you know they were great dog [TS]

00:23:55   breeders and there's a seam and abroad [TS]

00:23:57   and there were a lot of a lot of people [TS]

00:23:59   who felt like their dogs were refined of [TS]

00:24:02   character and noble of temperament and [TS]

00:24:06   that they would make fine spouses [TS]

00:24:08   partners part life partners truth and [TS]

00:24:11   and they would spell that the doom of [TS]

00:24:14   their civilization [TS]

00:24:16   yeah so a little bit of an outlier your [TS]

00:24:19   mom and a lot of the Conservatives have [TS]

00:24:22   have a valid point if you if you believe [TS]

00:24:24   that history speaks to our present [TS]

00:24:26   condition there's just there's so many [TS]

00:24:28   things and I don't like politics but [TS]

00:24:30   this is not politics this is like the [TS]

00:24:32   culture and it's important life and [TS]

00:24:34   culture is the section of the newspaper [TS]

00:24:35   that you turn to immediately sure I like [TS]

00:24:38   to see what karl lagerfeld showing right [TS]

00:24:40   right [TS]

00:24:41   I'm just saying like if you get one [TS]

00:24:42   thing that's one thing to be talking [TS]

00:24:43   about policy and politics and it's [TS]

00:24:45   another thing to talk about like [TS]

00:24:46   somebody's ability to just live like a [TS]

00:24:48   like a normal human being and the [TS]

00:24:50   problem is she does not think that's a [TS]

00:24:51   normal human being [TS]

00:24:53   no and as much as I didn't want to take [TS]

00:24:54   the bait I finally just got done button [TS]

00:24:56   hold and have to walk away cause like I [TS]

00:24:58   you know that this is exactly you and I [TS]

00:25:01   had an argument a couple of years ago [TS]

00:25:02   where I said that I don't believe that [TS]

00:25:06   christians or religious people of any [TS]

00:25:09   stripe should drink alcohol [TS]

00:25:11   wasn't drunk when we talked about this [TS]

00:25:13   and you argued you argued that I was [TS]

00:25:15   being ridiculous and that Christians [TS]

00:25:18   didn't have to get a lot more specific [TS]

00:25:20   of course should be able to drink [TS]

00:25:21   alcohol and i said no i don't think so i [TS]

00:25:23   don't remember this because the [TS]

00:25:25   religious experience thing [TS]

00:25:26   yeah I don't think that what I don't [TS]

00:25:28   think that religious people should drink [TS]

00:25:29   alcohol or take drugs or or commit [TS]

00:25:33   adultery or do any bad things because it [TS]

00:25:35   because they have they have eternal [TS]

00:25:38   reward in heaven to look forward to [TS]

00:25:40   whereas the rest of us who are going to [TS]

00:25:43   spend eternity in torment the only fun [TS]

00:25:45   that we get is here on earth did you [TS]

00:25:48   know finger banging each other and if [TS]

00:25:50   the Christians are in here also like [TS]

00:25:53   sopping up all the gravy with their buns [TS]

00:25:56   that it's all that much less gravy for [TS]

00:25:59   me and the rest of the secular humanists [TS]

00:26:02   due to Eternity and in the pit of fire [TS]

00:26:06   so personally I personally I feel like [TS]

00:26:10   religious people should be if they can [TS]

00:26:14   if they cannot handle the responsibility [TS]

00:26:16   of living in cities while maintaining [TS]

00:26:19   their sort of separatist I another [TS]

00:26:23   separatists identity then I think that [TS]

00:26:25   they should be corralled into camps / [TS]

00:26:27   nice ones nice camps because this world [TS]

00:26:30   they can be fixed the camp's can be made [TS]

00:26:32   to be nice [TS]

00:26:33   separate but equal let's just say all of [TS]

00:26:36   Oklahoma so we could put it we could put [TS]

00:26:39   some fencing it can be attractive [TS]

00:26:41   fencing i'm not saying it has to be [TS]

00:26:42   cyclone wire is kind of Marcus Garvey [TS]

00:26:45   type situation they want to be together [TS]

00:26:47   let's get a mouse game altogether look [TS]

00:26:49   at is I don't understand why religious [TS]

00:26:51   people want to live in cities cities are [TS]

00:26:53   vibrant places that people can stitch [TS]

00:26:55   things in each other and yell at each [TS]

00:26:58   other and there's a there there are all [TS]

00:27:00   kinds of people smoke marijuana there [TS]

00:27:03   are all kinds of things that happen in [TS]

00:27:04   cities [TS]

00:27:05   I don't understand why religious people [TS]

00:27:07   even want to be here [TS]

00:27:08   I feel like they they probably don't and [TS]

00:27:11   that they are here just because they [TS]

00:27:13   were born here or their parents moved [TS]

00:27:16   them here and where they really want to [TS]

00:27:18   be is in a bucolic place somewhere where [TS]

00:27:21   they can't be too they can't be injured [TS]

00:27:23   by offense [TS]

00:27:24   speech or by seeing men kiss or whatever [TS]

00:27:27   it is that's hurting their feelings and [TS]

00:27:29   that place could be maybe that the [TS]

00:27:31   entirety of Kansas Nebraska let's not [TS]

00:27:35   mince words you want to put everyone in [TS]

00:27:37   utah you want a cute on converted to a [TS]

00:27:39   full crazy crazy religion that there's [TS]

00:27:40   something [TS]

00:27:41   here's the problem i would like to [TS]

00:27:42   respond also please continue alright [TS]

00:27:44   here's the problem with utah right in [TS]

00:27:45   the middle of Utah there's a there's a [TS]

00:27:47   range of mountains called the Rocky [TS]

00:27:49   Mountains and unfortunately if you look [TS]

00:27:52   at you talk to map it seems plenty big [TS]

00:27:54   enough to hold all the religious people [TS]

00:27:56   but unfortunately everything west of the [TS]

00:27:58   Rocky Mountains is an uninhabitable [TS]

00:27:59   wasteland [TS]

00:28:01   so all the religious people would have [TS]

00:28:03   to live up in the mountains and on this [TS]

00:28:05   high kind of rocky plain and I [TS]

00:28:07   understand completely that religious [TS]

00:28:10   people would potentially want maybe [TS]

00:28:12   someone climate or some green green [TS]

00:28:15   pastures truth so i can't confine them [TS]

00:28:17   to you tie it has to be it has to be [TS]

00:28:19   geographically more diverse there's that [TS]

00:28:21   word again before diversity but I feel [TS]

00:28:24   like some some geographical diversity is [TS]

00:28:27   it is important for people maybe a [TS]

00:28:30   little beach we could have a we could [TS]

00:28:31   have like Galveston that could be there [TS]

00:28:34   beach [TS]

00:28:35   I don't know this is art and still [TS]

00:28:37   pie-in-the-sky stuff tonight but I don't [TS]

00:28:39   understand why religious person would [TS]

00:28:41   want to live in [TS]

00:28:41   yeah san francisco city i really don't [TS]

00:28:44   like until you graduate from college [TS]

00:28:46   john w capable of so much of a better [TS]

00:28:50   argument than that that is that it's got [TS]

00:28:52   to be one of the nine to 16 weakest [TS]

00:28:55   arguments I've ever heard you make what [TS]

00:28:57   are you talking about doesn't make a [TS]

00:28:58   lick and that is that is that is to [TS]

00:29:01   understand how bananas close to a [TS]

00:29:04   religious insanity that argument is I [TS]

00:29:07   know you're being exaggerating but no [TS]

00:29:09   you don't really believe that about [TS]

00:29:11   people of faith people of faith will you [TS]

00:29:14   what you use this word religious so [TS]

00:29:15   you're tying in like you know what you [TS]

00:29:18   know Coptic Christians with like you [TS]

00:29:20   know UFO cult like what is anybody in [TS]

00:29:23   your life is any faith in something snow [TS]

00:29:27   no that's not what I'm saying you're not [TS]

00:29:29   you're 60 I think you should i eat i [TS]

00:29:31   think you need to separate the people [TS]

00:29:32   who have jobs in narcotics anonymous are [TS]

00:29:36   entitled to have a Power greater than [TS]

00:29:38   selves uh-huh and still live in cities [TS]

00:29:40   should avoid this did the Cassie [TS]

00:29:47   question i'm gonna know what I'm just [TS]

00:29:49   gonna I'm just gonna put a stake in the [TS]

00:29:50   ground here this is gonna have to be [TS]

00:29:51   another episode III can't even begin to [TS]

00:29:53   shoot take apart all the ways that you [TS]

00:29:57   are so incredibly wrong about that so [TS]

00:29:59   much of that apart from one of the [TS]

00:30:00   people that put people in a bad state [TS]

00:30:02   there's a lot of people i would like to [TS]

00:30:03   put in a bad state we're talking about [TS]

00:30:05   that Oklahoma bad state [TS]

00:30:06   I don't know the wind comes sweeping [TS]

00:30:07   down the plain is that still the case [TS]

00:30:09   there are plenty of nice things in [TS]

00:30:10   Oklahoma do you have a sense of how [TS]

00:30:12   however never eat sushi there how is the [TS]

00:30:14   corner give any sense of that the corn [TS]

00:30:17   is above your head [TS]

00:30:18   I say it in a musical guy are you [TS]

00:30:21   I thought you're trying to quote from [TS]

00:30:23   the musical Oklahoma which brings me [TS]

00:30:25   back to my question which is that where [TS]

00:30:26   you regarded by the legitimate [TS]

00:30:28   homosexuals as something of a [TS]

00:30:29   carpetbagger part of my pardon my french [TS]

00:30:31   you soon as a carpetbagger you home in [TS]

00:30:33   you come in you hang out a little bit [TS]

00:30:34   with your musky masculine and you're and [TS]

00:30:37   you're like finish classes collection [TS]

00:30:39   and and you're in there making out with [TS]

00:30:40   people you're taking pieces off the [TS]

00:30:42   table so to speak where you seen as a [TS]

00:30:44   carpetbagger on Roderick I think that [TS]

00:30:45   but I think that'd be legitimately [TS]

00:30:47   well-adjusted young homosexuals of [TS]

00:30:50   Seattle we're not interested in pursuing [TS]

00:30:52   a brief relationship with me but the [TS]

00:30:56   number of young well-adjusted [TS]

00:30:58   emotionally well-adjusted gays in [TS]

00:31:00   seattle in 1992 was a fraction of the [TS]

00:31:02   population of the homosexual community [TS]

00:31:05   through most of the young homosexuals [TS]

00:31:08   were also confused and frankly also [TS]

00:31:11   their sexuality was on a continuum right [TS]

00:31:15   there were some who were more inclined [TS]

00:31:18   to make out straight boys there were [TS]

00:31:21   some who were more inclined to sort of [TS]

00:31:23   be right on the fence [TS]

00:31:24   also this is a problem of vegetarianism [TS]

00:31:27   to now if you're vegetarian [TS]

00:31:29   let's go back let's go back and look at [TS]

00:31:31   something like the boys in the band [TS]

00:31:32   which now as a movie seems like [TS]

00:31:34   something from another planet because [TS]

00:31:35   it's so broad you ever see that movie [TS]

00:31:37   the play i did it say I liked it I liked [TS]

00:31:40   it a lot my mother actually directed [TS]

00:31:41   that as a one-time you're playing around [TS]

00:31:44   there's a lot of mincing and it's almost [TS]

00:31:47   like an allegory it's almost something [TS]

00:31:48   Rod Serling was like with all right like [TS]

00:31:51   that you're the seven kinds of [TS]

00:31:52   homosexuals arguing independent marked [TS]

00:31:54   as late as the early nineties i think [TS]

00:31:57   that was still more or less [TS]

00:31:58   representative of how I'm gonna take it [TS]

00:32:01   like for the time you know there's a lot [TS]

00:32:03   of stairs a lot of things that happened [TS]

00:32:04   in the sixties where you would look back [TS]

00:32:06   and go wow that still that seems pretty [TS]

00:32:08   casually racist in retrospect but you go [TS]

00:32:10   wow it's pretty amazing that like you [TS]

00:32:12   know you look something like in the heat [TS]

00:32:13   of the night [TS]

00:32:14   I mean it's incredible that that man got [TS]

00:32:17   baked in some ways it's so good in city [TS]

00:32:19   party is so obviously the smartest [TS]

00:32:21   person in the movie and I think at the [TS]

00:32:22   time a lot of cactus kind of racism too [TS]

00:32:24   well known at the time [TS]

00:32:26   not compared to hang something from a [TS]

00:32:28   tree I mean that's a pretty long way to [TS]

00:32:29   have Hollywood putting a good-looking [TS]

00:32:31   guy as the lead Bill Cosby on man from [TS]

00:32:33   uncle what have you forget everything [TS]

00:32:34   but said was to their credit didn't [TS]

00:32:37   really Lynch a lot of people thought [TS]

00:32:39   that you never know how did you find out [TS]

00:32:40   about here's the part 1 here the problem [TS]

00:32:42   now so you take something like boys in [TS]

00:32:44   the band and like I think if you were a [TS]

00:32:47   8th most probably most people i'm [TS]

00:32:50   guessing something closeted you know i [TS]

00:32:52   mean it was not cool to be out of the [TS]

00:32:54   closet unless you know except in very [TS]

00:32:55   specific situations are very specific [TS]

00:32:57   cities i bet on the size of that cool [TS]

00:32:59   that's right but you saw that movie and [TS]

00:33:01   for the first time you saw yourself on [TS]

00:33:03   screen yeah maybe mincing but you [TS]

00:33:05   weren't just like the Clifton Webb [TS]

00:33:06   character or something when you see you [TS]

00:33:08   you're talking about me if I were gay I [TS]

00:33:10   don't know I don't know I could go [TS]

00:33:12   either way [TS]

00:33:13   good you and me both for a while I've [TS]

00:33:17   lost my point again you know the fact is [TS]

00:33:19   i can't say i don't understand this [TS]

00:33:20   episode John model year i'm completely [TS]

00:33:23   and I said we've been doing a lot of [TS]

00:33:24   coffee [TS]

00:33:24   I know I quit caffeine so that all [TS]

00:33:27   brother win I quit caffeine on new [TS]

00:33:29   year's day huh [TS]

00:33:31   I haven't had any caffeine Zanu you're [TS]

00:33:32   still not sleeping [TS]

00:33:34   no I sleep like a baby about but the [TS]

00:33:37   reason I want to go to the doctors i'm [TS]

00:33:38   walking around in a fog all the time I [TS]

00:33:40   don't have any uh uh i'm fortunate [TS]

00:33:43   always foggy I feel a little foggy and [TS]

00:33:47   feeling funky but here's the thing about [TS]

00:33:49   that's the thing about being gay if the [TS]

00:33:51   right young man approached me after a [TS]

00:33:53   show before [TS]

00:33:54   I have I i have to say that really if he [TS]

00:33:58   smelled right but there's a lot of smell [TS]

00:34:01   and involved if you smelled like every [TS]

00:34:04   time I still give it a go but you worry [TS]

00:34:07   about your culpability in that working [TS]

00:34:09   out because he might feel the same way [TS]

00:34:10   maybe maybe that that particular way [TS]

00:34:12   that you smell could be quote unquote [TS]

00:34:14   right to him racing that's a possibility [TS]

00:34:15   could be could be [TS]

00:34:17   I mean I've smelled right to people [TS]

00:34:19   before but here's the way I am I no [TS]

00:34:22   longer i'm no longer in the business of [TS]

00:34:24   worrying about other people's capability [TS]

00:34:28   through they are looking for you [TS]

00:34:30   yeah I think that's terrific i think i [TS]

00:34:32   was arrested themselves when they when [TS]

00:34:34   they come up against me when they meet [TS]

00:34:36   me in a dark alley making up the up to [TS]

00:34:38   me in the in the high corn you know [TS]

00:34:41   they'd better they better be a better [TS]

00:34:44   bet their a game because i'm not gonna [TS]

00:34:46   hold their hand know who threw finally [TS]

00:34:50   like 45 musicals a lot but not all night [TS]

00:34:53   there aren't many others just like [TS]

00:34:55   problems it's like palms I thought I [TS]

00:34:56   like poetry and look like a you know the [TS]

00:34:58   range of poetry and it's like it's like [TS]

00:35:00   folk music 15 poem or reggae or musicals [TS]

00:35:04   were like it turns out i like well no I [TS]

00:35:06   mean I'll say they're like five poets [TS]

00:35:08   maybe that I like that you're going to [TS]

00:35:09   be contrast you celebrate the entire [TS]

00:35:12   Jerry Lewis catalog that's not accurate [TS]

00:35:14   but I'm not going to sit there and like [TS]

00:35:16   spend an evening reading Gary Snyder or [TS]

00:35:19   something [TS]

00:35:20   no no offense and they don't know where [TS]

00:35:22   the turtles are very nice but it right [TS]

00:35:24   and so that's the problem this is this [TS]

00:35:25   is this is part of the problem we get to [TS]

00:35:27   users tell me what of the Jerry Lewis [TS]

00:35:29   stuff you don't like this you really [TS]

00:35:32   want to get into this now ugh I wish you [TS]

00:35:35   wouldn't change the topic i'm emily i [TS]

00:35:36   limit myself to four cards i want to [TS]

00:35:38   talk more about the driver and I felt [TS]

00:35:40   like from the very beginning that we had [TS]

00:35:42   switched roles this season of reveling [TS]

00:35:44   in this is not a difficult this is not [TS]

00:35:47   difficult to understand at a high level [TS]

00:35:49   Jerry Lewis is fascinating [TS]

00:35:52   yes because my goodness because even if [TS]

00:35:56   you're not being reductive he is full of [TS]

00:35:58   so many paradoxes and and so many like [TS]

00:36:02   unresolved bowl [TS]

00:36:04   just warring size to his personality [TS]

00:36:06   ride that day the clown cried is [TS]

00:36:08   actually get some it i don't think it i [TS]

00:36:10   mean i've seen like the script patton [TS]

00:36:13   oswalt claims to have feelings [TS]

00:36:15   yeah I mean it's okay yeah a lot of [TS]

00:36:16   people claim to have seen it i know [TS]

00:36:18   Harry Shearer how to copy the script I i [TS]

00:36:19   I've seen bits from the script and it's [TS]

00:36:21   some staggering and how many pages like [TS]

00:36:24   300 pages I mean it's a very very long [TS]

00:36:26   movie for those for those in our [TS]

00:36:29   audience in the minority who don't know [TS]

00:36:30   what this is going to explain you're [TS]

00:36:33   gonna explain the day the crown clown [TS]

00:36:35   cried [TS]

00:36:35   it's it out keep it short i mean the [TS]

00:36:37   background is that people could [TS]

00:36:38   wikipedia except then wikipedias is [TS]

00:36:41   closed begging you not to get me started [TS]

00:36:43   on that the arm here's the thing Jerry [TS]

00:36:45   Lewis decided to do a movie uh where he [TS]

00:36:48   plays a a clown and I believe poland on [TS]

00:36:51   the same helmet dork how much work is a [TS]

00:36:53   clown also makes fun he makes fun of the [TS]

00:36:55   Nazis they put him in a death camp it [TS]

00:36:57   becomes his job to do clown stuff to [TS]

00:37:00   make children going to the gas chamber [TS]

00:37:01   right so that's the Jerry Lewis movie [TS]

00:37:04   and had trouble getting it made [TS]

00:37:05   apparently he had to go to I want to [TS]

00:37:06   sweeten conceivable I don't have the [TS]

00:37:09   number in front of me but I you know [TS]

00:37:10   it's one minute per page generally in [TS]

00:37:12   the script hundred is pretty much [TS]

00:37:13   something something like it's a really [TS]

00:37:16   would be a real it's really fucking long [TS]

00:37:17   movie i don't think it was completed but [TS]

00:37:20   is it but he did draw attention to one [TS]

00:37:22   of the little known fact facets of the [TS]

00:37:26   Holocaust you know you know about the [TS]

00:37:28   gypsies and you know about obviously the [TS]

00:37:29   Jews and heterosexuals who speaks for [TS]

00:37:31   the clients who speaks with a client [TS]

00:37:33   that's right i didn't say anything I [TS]

00:37:34   didn't say anything when they came to [TS]

00:37:35   the clouds for class because i wasn't a [TS]

00:37:37   clown right and then when they came for [TS]

00:37:39   me there is no one left to keep shooting [TS]

00:37:41   with seltzer [TS]

00:37:42   that's right horns honk their red nose [TS]

00:37:44   here the nice thing though I mean you'd [TS]

00:37:46   be amazed how many of those clowns you [TS]

00:37:48   can actually fit into a gas chamber [TS]

00:37:49   what's up so my point is here's the [TS]

00:37:53   thing about Jerry Lewis if you go out if [TS]

00:37:57   you go out and search for this if you go [TS]

00:37:58   in search for the decline Christ you [TS]

00:38:00   will find production skills productions [TS]

00:38:02   still you know that you will see in [TS]

00:38:04   pictures of that they're absolutely [TS]

00:38:07   horrifying [TS]

00:38:07   yeah because it's jerry lewis in shitty [TS]

00:38:10   clown makeup wearing the like Auschwitz [TS]

00:38:12   striped outfits [TS]

00:38:14   mmm and guess what happens when a person [TS]

00:38:17   no longer has people around him who can [TS]

00:38:19   tell him no this is the George Lucas [TS]

00:38:20   problem and here's the thing about Jerry [TS]

00:38:22   Lewis and I like to move on because this [TS]

00:38:24   is not that interesting isn't it is that [TS]

00:38:25   he is full of these kinds of nobody can [TS]

00:38:28   dispute the amount of great things that [TS]

00:38:30   he did for the Muscular Dystrophy [TS]

00:38:31   Association in the sense that he brought [TS]

00:38:33   in a ton of money and if to use a phrase [TS]

00:38:36   that is virtually meaningless today he [TS]

00:38:38   raised a huge amount of awareness about [TS]

00:38:40   the disease was very unknown in [TS]

00:38:41   otherwise really most muscular dystrophy [TS]

00:38:44   is and i watch that telephone river for [TS]

00:38:46   10 years probably you know why you know [TS]

00:38:48   why because you either the parts where [TS]

00:38:50   they make you cry and they talk about [TS]

00:38:52   whatever duchesne something something [TS]

00:38:54   right but mostly you and him about [TS]

00:38:56   Leslie you remember him acting like he [TS]

00:39:00   was retarded and talking about his kids [TS]

00:39:03   and bringing up grown men in wheelchairs [TS]

00:39:06   and trying to make them cry on stage [TS]

00:39:08   there thereby bringing all these people [TS]

00:39:11   into his twisted universe where where he [TS]

00:39:13   could at once [TS]

00:39:15   don't you remember you might remember [TS]

00:39:16   the one a few years ago when he joined [TS]

00:39:18   him with the chorus and was like doing [TS]

00:39:19   the whole like about the long thing and [TS]

00:39:21   let me stop you right there i have not [TS]

00:39:22   watched the journalist telephone since [TS]

00:39:24   1978 and you call yourself and you call [TS]

00:39:27   yourself bisexual [TS]

00:39:28   I don't remember the one from a couple [TS]

00:39:30   of years ago I wasn't aware they still [TS]

00:39:32   happened what I generally get dropped [TS]

00:39:35   out this last I remember turning yeah i [TS]

00:39:37   was in a in a beach cabin in on Maui for [TS]

00:39:42   the man with a man or by yourself [TS]

00:39:43   flowers with my father that's simple in [TS]

00:39:46   1978 at that point I was just [TS]

00:39:49   experimenting with my relatives who were [TS]

00:39:50   politician it was beautiful out it was [TS]

00:39:53   beautiful the waves were crashing on the [TS]

00:39:54   beach with a beautiful sunny Hawaii day [TS]

00:39:56   and that we were inside watching the [TS]

00:39:58   Jerry Lewis telethon because it was not [TS]

00:40:00   something that you missed it was a [TS]

00:40:02   cultural it was like an after school [TS]

00:40:03   special it was like a it was like a [TS]

00:40:05   Marlin Perkins how is it there was no [TS]

00:40:08   question I mean you know what happened [TS]

00:40:10   once a year you want right that's right [TS]

00:40:11   yeah [TS]

00:40:12   and indeed your father enjoy that you [TS]

00:40:14   guys stay up late or stars come out with [TS]

00:40:16   your dad didn't watch it my dad was a [TS]

00:40:18   was an old enough person to know that [TS]

00:40:20   this was dumb but is fighting against [TS]

00:40:22   Sammy Davis jr. [TS]

00:40:24   my dad loved Sammy Davis jr. my dad was [TS]

00:40:27   that same generation so it's a very very [TS]

00:40:29   talented manually as 1i Sam yeah Sam [TS]

00:40:32   who's yeah he's racing cars in less than [TS]

00:40:34   I won I won I won I everything isn't [TS]

00:40:38   that's right that's right married and [TS]

00:40:39   sweetest girl who is much taller than he [TS]

00:40:41   was [TS]

00:40:41   she was handsome that was a good-looking [TS]

00:40:43   ladies and attractively she was super [TS]

00:40:45   cute those guys really are they must [TS]

00:40:48   have had a time [TS]

00:40:49   yeah well if you read the biographies [TS]

00:40:50   sean lee biography which I'm sure you [TS]

00:40:52   will now called King of Comedy you you [TS]

00:40:54   will realize what a tortured individual [TS]

00:40:56   he's I'm not gonna go on about this i'm [TS]

00:40:57   gonna start a separate podcast with the [TS]

00:40:58   golden will be able to talk about all of [TS]

00:41:00   this something before I'm not going to [TS]

00:41:02   hurt much as I'd like carpetbagging [TS]

00:41:03   teabagging you know what here's the [TS]

00:41:06   thing also you know what you want to [TS]

00:41:07   talk about is I got a card I got a card [TS]

00:41:09   now we go back to Schwartz commando it [TS]

00:41:12   means white no black what's white lice [TS]

00:41:16   vice shorts commando you never read [TS]

00:41:20   gravity's rainbow this tension [TS]

00:41:23   yeah true I think I've the crying of [TS]

00:41:25   area 51 [TS]

00:41:27   that's that's a good place to start and [TS]

00:41:30   end with that so tonight I would never [TS]

00:41:32   change choice in today when I was very [TS]

00:41:33   young then I walked into a bookstore [TS]

00:41:35   choice and there was a man behind the [TS]

00:41:37   counter who looked like a book store [TS]

00:41:39   employee was a heavyset gentleman to go [TS]

00:41:41   in our pollen and he had a red yet long [TS]

00:41:45   red hair and a red beard which he had [TS]

00:41:48   kinda shaved down his cheeks and he was [TS]

00:41:51   wearing a sweater under a tweed jacket [TS]

00:41:54   and he probably had a pipe in the pocket [TS]

00:41:58   of his Mackinaw [TS]

00:42:00   [Music] [TS]

00:42:01   and I said something gold spike sport [TS]

00:42:05   and walked in and water the content [TS]

00:42:09   look I I got some time to kill what's [TS]

00:42:12   your favorite book [TS]

00:42:14   I want to know your favorite book and he [TS]

00:42:17   lights up his his formerly like pinched [TS]

00:42:20   book store employee since cynical face [TS]

00:42:23   lit up and he went oh [TS]

00:42:26   gravity's rainbow and he comes out from [TS]

00:42:28   my own account he walked me back into [TS]

00:42:29   the you know to the peas and he pulls [TS]

00:42:32   gravity's rainbow off the shelf and he [TS]

00:42:34   goes you have to read it's the greatest [TS]

00:42:35   book ever written and he gave himself to [TS]

00:42:39   me for half price because he really [TS]

00:42:41   wants me to you know I only had a dollar [TS]

00:42:42   or something really really wants me to [TS]

00:42:44   read this book and over the course of [TS]

00:42:47   the next two years I tried to read [TS]

00:42:50   gravity's rainbow but at one point I i [TS]

00:42:54   had like i was reading the book in four [TS]

00:42:57   different places I had bookmarks and for [TS]

00:42:58   replacing the book and I was I would sit [TS]

00:43:01   down and pick up the book at activation [TS]

00:43:03   i could not finish and keep reading and [TS]

00:43:05   I read this book and I read this book [TS]

00:43:07   and I never made it past about page 512 [TS]

00:43:12   reading it and I was picking and i put [TS]

00:43:13   it down and read other stuff obviously [TS]

00:43:14   and then that baby sitting there on the [TS]

00:43:16   bookshelf throbbing this dull red glow [TS]

00:43:19   you haven't finished me you are smart [TS]

00:43:23   you can't read and finally one summer I [TS]

00:43:26   was like you bastard [TS]

00:43:27   I'm gonna read the fuck out of you and I [TS]

00:43:30   sat down and I it was like it was like [TS]

00:43:32   one at the time i read The Iliad all the [TS]

00:43:34   way through i was like you are going to [TS]

00:43:36   sit here and you're going to read this [TS]

00:43:38   fucking book and I read the goddamn [TS]

00:43:41   gravity's rainbow all the way through [TS]

00:43:42   and when I was done was done [TS]

00:43:46   oh I i I'm good i was going to say I [TS]

00:43:51   threw it out the window but I didn't [TS]

00:43:52   it's sitting on the bookshelf now I'm [TS]

00:43:54   looking at it as i speak but it no [TS]

00:43:57   longer throbs much and feel what was [TS]

00:44:00   done did you feel like a sense of [TS]

00:44:01   accomplishment or we just we winded [TS]

00:44:03   well here's what happens in this book at [TS]

00:44:06   page [TS]

00:44:07   750 it's that long [TS]

00:44:11   it's a long weekend [TS]

00:44:13   I might be using the crying of lot 49 [TS]

00:44:15   sorry for 149 as a short book [TS]

00:44:18   well that's the at the GF proof arc to [TS]

00:44:20   the wasteland right it's much more at [TS]

00:44:22   you know Dubliners kind of way in right [TS]

00:44:24   yeah yeah it's scary but uh but at about [TS]

00:44:29   read about page 1750 or whatever i don't [TS]

00:44:31   i don't remember how many pages it has [TS]

00:44:32   but all the way back after it's like [TS]

00:44:35   you've already read five books that [TS]

00:44:37   don't make any sense at all [TS]

00:44:39   it's the story starts to come together [TS]

00:44:40   and you're like oh wait I know what he's [TS]

00:44:43   talking about [TS]

00:44:44   now finally after 700 pages of reading [TS]

00:44:47   through gibberish I know what he is [TS]

00:44:50   referring to now and and now i am [TS]

00:44:54   getting it and then the last little bit [TS]

00:44:56   of the story is like a fun adventure [TS]

00:44:58   story where you're like yay i'm glad you [TS]

00:45:02   get a little you get a little dessert [TS]

00:45:04   the end it's like it's like it you have [TS]

00:45:06   to suffer you have to basically read The [TS]

00:45:08   Silmarillion and again a little hobbit a [TS]

00:45:12   lot i am i started a new car and I can't [TS]

00:45:19   decide if you're if you're up for a [TS]

00:45:20   lightning round I thought we could do [TS]

00:45:21   lighting around also i want to talk a [TS]

00:45:23   little bit about something not today but [TS]

00:45:24   it doesn't if you tried like to talk [TS]

00:45:25   about whether people confuse Tom of [TS]

00:45:27   Finland with Tom's made because i think [TS]

00:45:29   the whole thing that happens if you had [TS]

00:45:31   like I'm looking for some tom's of Maine [TS]

00:45:34   tooth whitener government you confuse it [TS]

00:45:37   with Tom of Finland tens what story are [TS]

00:45:39   in all that i bet some stores are used [TS]

00:45:41   to either one of those going wrong you [TS]

00:45:43   can solve that if you got a big gay sex [TS]

00:45:44   store by just having some toothpaste in [TS]

00:45:45   there and got to make everybody happy [TS]

00:45:47   here is that toothpaste is pretty gross [TS]

00:45:49   Tom of Finland I bet it is gross well it [TS]

00:45:51   depends to ten percent like yeah [TS]

00:45:53   calamine lotion I remember my first [TS]

00:45:54   which the baking soda toothpaste [TS]

00:45:56   consistency on rock it was not until [TS]

00:45:57   last year I thought crest and colgate [TS]

00:45:59   were essentially interchangeable and now [TS]

00:46:02   i cannot have Christ in my mouth it is [TS]

00:46:05   so disgusting to me all academic [TS]

00:46:08   how can I go 44 years without knowing [TS]

00:46:10   the difference in Christian Colgate I [TS]

00:46:11   thought it was a meaningless mean was [TS]

00:46:13   brand difference right you know what I [TS]

00:46:16   really like you I think a cup of [TS]

00:46:18   hydrogen peroxide and switch around my [TS]

00:46:19   mouth for a minute [TS]

00:46:21   you have to do special stuff with your [TS]

00:46:22   with your teeth you have to do like any [TS]

00:46:24   kind of special cleaning stuff with your [TS]

00:46:25   make-believe teeth [TS]

00:46:26   the number the number of pages I have [TS]

00:46:29   somewhere in this house detailing all [TS]

00:46:30   the special stuff I have to do with my [TS]

00:46:32   teeth for real it's like gravity's [TS]

00:46:34   rainbow it's a braid you have a bridge [TS]

00:46:36   no I don't have a printer I have a [TS]

00:46:37   there's a tooth wear my missing two [TS]

00:46:40   things over there is a tooth and it's [TS]

00:46:42   basically soldered in place held up the [TS]

00:46:45   place by a combination of braces glue [TS]

00:46:48   wheatpaste sawdust horsehair guitar [TS]

00:46:54   string and it just it just covers their [TS]

00:46:58   hearts gotta Dario bridge and it just [TS]

00:47:01   hovers there and I'm I can't this is why [TS]

00:47:04   i can't get a big pastrami sandwich [TS]

00:47:06   anymore because my my front tooth my [TS]

00:47:09   main pastrami incisor is it's not [TS]

00:47:13   functional justice system facade i am [TS]

00:47:17   writing this on one of my actual cars [TS]

00:47:20   i'm going to keep nearby I i if and when [TS]

00:47:23   you're comfortable but we don't have [TS]

00:47:24   time today i would like to talk about [TS]

00:47:25   the the teeth and how they got there me [TS]

00:47:28   know yeah but no no I know mean pastrami [TS]

00:47:31   incisor is that right [TS]

00:47:32   mm that's pretty good Tom of Finland ok [TS]

00:47:36   alright well you never you know the top [TS]

00:47:39   of finland stuff here's the problem with [TS]

00:47:41   the legislature romp with Tom finland [TS]

00:47:43   this is where I realized that whatever [TS]

00:47:45   whatever on the gay scale I was it was [TS]

00:47:48   very straight [TS]

00:47:50   that's super gay is that I masculine men [TS]

00:47:54   i don't find attractive at all about [TS]

00:47:55   bears no no you don't like a bear right [TS]

00:47:58   they find me attractive a distance i [TS]

00:47:59   love bears are the friends of mine i [TS]

00:48:01   have a couple friends that are bears or [TS]

00:48:03   bear chasing guys and and the I gotta [TS]

00:48:05   say of of the the different you know [TS]

00:48:08   self-identifying groups and easily one [TS]

00:48:10   of my favorites there's some go along [TS]

00:48:11   get along guys able to make the beer [TS]

00:48:13   Superman that [TS]

00:48:15   I don't know like I don't know thousands [TS]

00:48:17   of gay people but among my friends who [TS]

00:48:19   are gay i think i think the bears are [TS]

00:48:20   pound-for-pound the most fun [TS]

00:48:21   well pound for pound pound for pound the [TS]

00:48:23   thing about the Bears you like [TS]

00:48:24   everything a day i was having like if I [TS]

00:48:27   if I really needed to cry which net [TS]

00:48:29   which which the last time it happened [TS]

00:48:31   was nineteen eighty-four but if I really [TS]

00:48:33   need to cry and I had a bear friends [TS]

00:48:35   that I could just lay my head on his [TS]

00:48:37   chest or and really really like have a [TS]

00:48:40   good cry [TS]

00:48:41   yeah that's that's the one type of [TS]

00:48:42   person in the world that is big enough [TS]

00:48:44   and furry enough and comforting enough [TS]

00:48:47   but I could actually lean on them as [TS]

00:48:50   opposed to always being the one that [TS]

00:48:52   people lean on you go with one of those [TS]

00:48:54   shiny gym rats that's all that's all [TS]

00:48:55   things you don't like I don't like crazy [TS]

00:48:57   exactly try to help that guy going to [TS]

00:48:58   slide right off the the world my [TS]

00:49:01   homosexuality manifests itself [TS]

00:49:03   exclusively and being attracted two [TS]

00:49:05   twinks that is not a word that is not a [TS]

00:49:07   word that I know it's like a little [TS]

00:49:08   filipino kind of guy [TS]

00:49:10   well like a cabana boy you have like a [TS]

00:49:13   compatible like your dad like a Moroccan [TS]

00:49:16   how do you think it kind of tiny and [TS]

00:49:18   friendly is tidies friendly smells good [TS]

00:49:20   cook extremely good cook twi NK his hair [TS]

00:49:25   his hair kind of like comes down [TS]

00:49:28   playfully in front of his like Leonardo [TS]

00:49:30   DiCaprio thing I could like a young [TS]

00:49:32   Leonardo DiCaprio who is not playing a [TS]

00:49:34   retarded pretty fat ok a tent and twink [TS]

00:49:37   no no you know what fat is ok like a [TS]

00:49:39   little chubby little little twink that's [TS]

00:49:41   not those are the ones i always bet on [TS]

00:49:44   it strength upon don't think twink is [TS]

00:49:46   being funny okay i think that is in the [TS]

00:49:48   the great game lexicon I think twink is [TS]

00:49:52   an accepted reference something we're [TS]

00:49:55   only allowed to call themselves that [TS]

00:49:56   well like I like mexicans this is one of [TS]

00:50:00   those things where I feel like I live on [TS]

00:50:02   Capitol Hill have lived on capital for [TS]

00:50:04   many as 50 miles house and talk about [TS]

00:50:05   your mom's house and i am i'm entitled [TS]

00:50:07   bye-bye grandfathering through and by [TS]

00:50:11   you know by having my pinky and enough [TS]

00:50:13   people's poopers that i can use the [TS]

00:50:15   lexicon is very gentle very gentle how [TS]

00:50:18   do you pick a pinky I don't you know [TS]

00:50:20   what you actually you know what I don't [TS]

00:50:21   want to go back to picture you [TS]

00:50:23   twinks crying 1984 was an Olympic thing [TS]

00:50:27   the crying of lot 49 [TS]

00:50:29   ok I got it really her thing when I [TS]

00:50:31   cried in 1984 I've ever seen [TS]

00:50:33   I was a teenager I cried because some [TS]

00:50:35   girl was mean that's the first thing [TS]

00:50:37   that's the last time you cried I don't [TS]

00:50:39   know attractive my teeth with my parents [TS]

00:50:41   yelled at me the last time I cried I [TS]

00:50:45   don't know what I have everything I [TS]

00:50:46   cried when my dad died [TS]

00:50:47   oh I'm sorry about that well you start [TS]

00:50:51   talking about crying and yeah I don't [TS]

00:50:52   ask for [TS]

00:50:53   I like that guy his fun to be around [TS]

00:50:55   he's good he's a pistol he was a pistol [TS]

00:50:57   in fact that's a phrase he would have [TS]

00:50:59   used he's a pistol and now our listeners [TS]

00:51:03   are going to think that you're making a [TS]

00:51:05   silly dad voice but he sounded like that [TS]

00:51:07   but 10 times more potent brew and [TS]

00:51:09   managerial this one [TS]

00:51:16   ok so I'm lightning around here [TS]

00:51:19   ok so tristram shandy to finish it no [TS]

00:51:22   keeps his Endymion long poem member at [TS]

00:51:25   it [TS]

00:51:25   infinite jest you ever go all the way [TS]

00:51:27   through yeah i read it really okay i'll [TS]

00:51:29   come back to that you listen problem but [TS]

00:51:30   but more entertaining Maddox absolutely [TS]

00:51:33   now you've been through Ulysses all the [TS]

00:51:34   way [TS]

00:51:35   no okay anyone home movie Empire no okay [TS]

00:51:39   the closest I've gotten with any of [TS]

00:51:41   these I've started Ulysses them i did [TS]

00:51:43   Ricky doesn't give you all the way [TS]

00:51:44   through which was brutal and I get [TS]

00:51:47   partway through tristram shandy and I [TS]

00:51:48   keep thinking each time like how awesome [TS]

00:51:51   this book is and then again I'm dropping [TS]

00:51:53   never come back as you don't do this [TS]

00:51:56   Beowulf as a long one yeah true is it in [TS]

00:52:00   its middle middle was that in like a [TS]

00:52:02   translation or is it all that goofy [TS]

00:52:04   middle-middle talk that metal talk the [TS]

00:52:06   Middle English yeah I i keep thinking I [TS]

00:52:10   can finish Ulysses and I can I can I [TS]

00:52:12   feel like a dumbass [TS]

00:52:13   I feel like I i I'm like Johnny liberal [TS]

00:52:15   arts and I can't finish Ulysses I keep [TS]

00:52:17   trying keep reading things alright [TS]

00:52:18   you're not supposed to use its not its [TS]

00:52:20   here's my thing about all these now the [TS]

00:52:22   Warhol thing clearly that's a test for [TS]

00:52:24   douchebags [TS]

00:52:25   yeah because the thing about Ulysses [TS]

00:52:27   over when it was written it presumed [TS]

00:52:29   that people had an intimate familiarity [TS]

00:52:33   with the Bible Shakespeare and of the [TS]

00:52:37   great you know and and Wittgenstein and [TS]

00:52:40   the great works of man up to that point [TS]

00:52:44   right here [TS]

00:52:45   so in order to properly read and [TS]

00:52:47   understand that book you have to have [TS]

00:52:48   you have to have a complete liberal arts [TS]

00:52:52   education as understood in 1912 for and [TS]

00:52:56   none of us do [TS]

00:52:57   I mean I tried to accumulate that kind [TS]

00:53:00   of education i tried to acquire it on my [TS]

00:53:02   own [TS]

00:53:03   through years of diligent study and i [TS]

00:53:05   have i have an education that looks like [TS]

00:53:08   i mean i have a completely checkerboard [TS]

00:53:10   education so that none of the one of the [TS]

00:53:15   illusions none of the one of the you [TS]

00:53:19   know the the connective tissue that [TS]

00:53:21   makes that book a tremendous read for [TS]

00:53:24   someone [TS]

00:53:25   like who is completely vested in [TS]

00:53:27   literature run of that isn't available [TS]

00:53:30   to me it's just I I'm just glancing off [TS]

00:53:33   of it I'm like a pachinko ball going [TS]

00:53:35   down it's really all I get that [TS]

00:53:37   no I think I got that was that a [TS]

00:53:39   reference well without her I don't even [TS]

00:53:42   know what was that it was a reference to [TS]

00:53:44   job was that a reference to Napoleon I [TS]

00:53:46   don't understand and you you go through [TS]

00:53:48   and you just like a lot of it is just a [TS]

00:53:51   lot of it is just word game it's just [TS]

00:53:53   game I hate to admit this at this point [TS]

00:53:56   in my life but I've I've come to feel [TS]

00:53:59   that way about the wasteland and so I [TS]

00:54:02   mean I i actually there's a really good [TS]

00:54:04   class that i did not take my favorite [TS]

00:54:06   teachers tie at school which is called [TS]

00:54:08   literary substrate of the wasteland and [TS]

00:54:10   you do you know obviously read the [TS]

00:54:11   wasteland studying stuff but you also [TS]

00:54:12   read the bibliography like you you read [TS]

00:54:16   you know just us 10 the Grail myth book [TS]

00:54:21   you read you know you read every [TS]

00:54:23   shakespeare thing that this referenced [TS]

00:54:25   in that but the funny part is like the [TS]

00:54:27   weird part is like I like that better as [TS]

00:54:29   a piece of musicality with with the [TS]

00:54:31   funny little bits of language and stuff [TS]

00:54:32   in it and he does little crazy voices [TS]

00:54:34   and stuff in here and read it but the [TS]

00:54:36   more I learn about exactly what it was [TS]

00:54:38   that he was aiding all this little Greek [TS]

00:54:40   bit the more it just seemed kind of [TS]

00:54:41   cobbled again that sounds that sounds [TS]

00:54:44   awful because I just love it so much but [TS]

00:54:46   now I guess you're just you're just a [TS]

00:54:48   guy with a fake English accent showing [TS]

00:54:49   off sometimes you know I think a lot of [TS]

00:54:51   that stuff a lot of that literature as [TS]

00:54:53   science was really important at the time [TS]

00:54:54   and we live in a world now that is post [TS]

00:54:58   that stuff so that stuff had to happen [TS]

00:55:00   in order to free up the the mind free up [TS]

00:55:04   the cultural to the culture of of [TS]

00:55:07   literature so that it could produce a [TS]

00:55:10   you know it could produce don delillo or [TS]

00:55:14   whatever i'm not sure but but we we live [TS]

00:55:18   we live in the aftermath of it and so it [TS]

00:55:21   isn't strictly necessary that we go back [TS]

00:55:23   and and participate in the revolution [TS]

00:55:28   again we can just be happy that it [TS]

00:55:30   happened and go on reading detective [TS]

00:55:33   novels are stories that are interesting [TS]

00:55:35   or fun i'm not saying [TS]

00:55:37   unless they hate it or something i'm [TS]

00:55:38   still think it's a remarkable remarkable [TS]

00:55:40   thing but isn't it kind of funny that [TS]

00:55:42   like you get this and components on my [TS]

00:55:44   ass but you know you go through this [TS]

00:55:46   very structured great books kind of [TS]

00:55:48   Education everybody gets the same sort [TS]

00:55:50   of Western culture education that they [TS]

00:55:52   could have something like Ulysses makes [TS]

00:55:54   sense for the wasteland kind of makes [TS]

00:55:55   sense you'll even get the references you [TS]

00:55:58   know I'm starting back to say like you [TS]

00:56:00   know all that stuff means i guess but in [TS]

00:56:03   a weird way they become sort of an [TS]

00:56:04   indictment of the very education that [TS]

00:56:06   you've had [TS]

00:56:07   well the fingers that Ben colleges [TS]

00:56:09   append the words great books to all [TS]

00:56:12   kinds of curricula but no one has the [TS]

00:56:16   attention to truly have a great books [TS]

00:56:18   education anymore like no 1i i challenge [TS]

00:56:21   you to find me a PhD student in [TS]

00:56:23   literature that has read that has read [TS]

00:56:25   one-fifth of the books that a high [TS]

00:56:28   school graduate in 1870 had read you [TS]

00:56:31   know like that [TS]

00:56:33   there just isn't there isn't the reason [TS]

00:56:35   to [TS]

00:56:36   we don't need to have read all that [TS]

00:56:39   stuff and they the only reason they did [TS]

00:56:41   at the time was there wasn't anything [TS]

00:56:42   else to do so we have we have this all [TS]

00:56:46   like oh we're giving you a great books [TS]

00:56:48   education at the universities and [TS]

00:56:50   they're not you can take a film class [TS]

00:56:52   you know you can't take this any of the [TS]

00:56:54   50 is all well and good but I wish we [TS]

00:56:56   had cable you know and you [TS]

00:56:59   we just have to accept even as educated [TS]

00:57:02   people who that there that we cannot [TS]

00:57:05   just as we cannot go back to a time [TS]

00:57:07   before you know when you know when women [TS]

00:57:12   couldn't have the vote as much as we [TS]

00:57:14   might want to [TS]

00:57:15   we also cannot go back to a time when [TS]

00:57:18   people were when when when the vast [TS]

00:57:20   majority of people shared the same 20 [TS]

00:57:24   books when everyone had read the same [TS]

00:57:27   any any educated person that read the [TS]

00:57:28   same 20 books we can't go back to that [TS]

00:57:30   you can't duplicate it and I feel sorry [TS]

00:57:32   for those people who are 20 years old as [TS]

00:57:35   I was who really think like that is [TS]

00:57:38   essential is necessary for me to go back [TS]

00:57:41   and read those 20 books and understand [TS]

00:57:43   them [TS]

00:57:43   in order to be a fully-fledged person [TS]

00:57:46   because you spend a lot of time for [TS]

00:57:49   beating your head up against a culture [TS]

00:57:52   that is that the the important parts of [TS]

00:57:54   the good parts of have been assimilated [TS]

00:57:56   into our culture enough that most people [TS]

00:57:59   you know those references go by and most [TS]

00:58:01   people don't even know what they are [TS]

00:58:02   that it's just it's just part of which i [TS]

00:58:04   think it's kind of a MacGuffin now I [TS]

00:58:05   mean in Texas to reference one of the [TS]

00:58:07   great works of the last hundred years [TS]

00:58:09   the karate kid I mean it's daniel son to [TS]

00:58:13   understand how do these moves with the [TS]

00:58:16   wax on wax off [TS]

00:58:17   he thinks this guy's just some dumb fuck [TS]

00:58:18   who is a gardener right but what he's [TS]

00:58:20   teaching him is this repetition that [TS]

00:58:24   ends up anything benefiting him in a way [TS]

00:58:26   he didn't want i think some of the great [TS]

00:58:27   book stuff i think people miss the point [TS]

00:58:28   when they think it's about reading a [TS]

00:58:30   bunch of white guys you know I I mean [TS]

00:58:32   I'm not saying that's good better and [TS]

00:58:33   different I mean if you do if you don't [TS]

00:58:35   read a lot of Lady authors you're really [TS]

00:58:36   gonna be missing out like if you don't [TS]

00:58:38   read to kill a mockingbird or whatever [TS]

00:58:39   like you're gonna you know these books [TS]

00:58:41   you should read but I think there's [TS]

00:58:43   something to be said for like whether or [TS]

00:58:44   not you like the gym equipment to just [TS]

00:58:46   keep going to the gym and thanksgiving [TS]

00:58:48   somebody to a way where they could have [TS]

00:58:50   a place where they could have an [TS]

00:58:51   intelligent conversation based on having [TS]

00:58:53   had to digest that much material is not [TS]

00:58:56   a bad idea you know III don't know what [TS]

00:58:59   could replace that I think it's I think [TS]

00:59:01   we get really way off track sometimes [TS]

00:59:03   with this whole like we don't value [TS]

00:59:04   books anymore or you know I'm you know [TS]

00:59:07   used to be you have five books in the [TS]

00:59:09   Bible and that's all you had and/or or [TS]

00:59:11   for that matter of those douchebags in [TS]

00:59:13   the in like the early nineties who were [TS]

00:59:15   about you know who really were like I'm [TS]

00:59:17   trying to come up with some cultural [TS]

00:59:18   cannon and then of course there's the [TS]

00:59:20   other side this is no there shouldn't be [TS]

00:59:21   a cultural cannon [TS]

00:59:22   it's like I don't fucking care what you [TS]

00:59:23   do but just do a lot of it until you're [TS]

00:59:25   smart thats the hard part of that is not [TS]

00:59:28   that you should sit there and learn your [TS]

00:59:29   ciphers or whatever cipher and a bit [TS]

00:59:31   like you know [TS]

00:59:32   yeah you get good at multiplication [TS]

00:59:34   because you learn all of those through [TS]

00:59:35   hundred and eventually doing long enough [TS]

00:59:37   and you know how to multiply this is [TS]

00:59:39   this is the the problem of the karate [TS]

00:59:41   kid analogy is that what was he an [TS]

00:59:43   orphan or something [TS]

00:59:44   ganesan I I never watched the [TS]

00:59:46   Connecticut notices his mom I think you [TS]

00:59:49   they divorced in his mom had to live in [TS]

00:59:50   a cheap apartment right he was said [TS]

00:59:52   there was something that he leaves [TS]

00:59:53   office and that was the girl in that [TS]

00:59:55   I have no idea but she's cute who's the [TS]

00:59:57   girl in in war games [TS]

00:59:57   girl in in war games [TS]

01:00:00   Oh shady LCD she's slightly messed up [TS]

01:00:03   teeth which I should keep them toxin in [TS]

01:00:05   case the the myth of the karate kid is [TS]

01:00:07   that any teenage kid I don't care if [TS]

01:00:10   somebody's putting cigarettes out on [TS]

01:00:11   your arms any teenage kid is going to go [TS]

01:00:13   do chores for some guy until he becomes [TS]

01:00:17   a karate expert topping a twink the [TS]

01:00:19   brown the problem now is that I don't [TS]

01:00:22   think that I don't think there is any [TS]

01:00:23   depth left i think everyone has a [TS]

01:00:27   tremendous tremendous fillip familiarity [TS]

01:00:30   with it with an incredibly wide surface [TS]

01:00:33   of information and to you know to equate [TS]

01:00:38   I don't know [TS]

01:00:39   22 to expect young people to to have the [TS]

01:00:44   mental fitness to to learn anything at [TS]

01:00:49   depth when there's so much at breath [TS]

01:00:51   available I think we just have to we [TS]

01:00:54   have to re-evaluate what being smart is [TS]

01:00:57   we have to we have to just we have to [TS]

01:01:00   acknowledge that being smart now is [TS]

01:01:02   maybe a different thing that sounds [TS]

01:01:05   really depressing to me [TS]

01:01:07   well accept it accept it's a form of [TS]

01:01:09   evolution of me being smart 50 years ago [TS]

01:01:12   was a completely different thing that [TS]

01:01:13   was in seventies a lot smarter literate [TS]

01:01:16   i would say the definition of being [TS]

01:01:18   literate is changing like litter in a [TS]

01:01:21   sense of you know are you able to so I [TS]

01:01:23   think being smart because what what [TS]

01:01:25   being smart was 50 years ago was having [TS]

01:01:29   at ready hand in your mind a tremendous [TS]

01:01:32   encyclopedic knowledge of either one [TS]

01:01:36   thing or of several things but now [TS]

01:01:39   that's completely unnecessary it's a [TS]

01:01:40   waste of your brain because all that [TS]

01:01:42   knowledge is available on your phone i [TS]

01:01:43   look at my phone six hundred times a day [TS]

01:01:45   for her and what what good does it do [TS]

01:01:48   for me to know I you know the the place [TS]

01:01:52   names and dates [TS]

01:01:53   I mean it's one thing for me to [TS]

01:01:54   understand the course of the thirty [TS]

01:01:56   years war and what its significance is [TS]

01:01:58   in history but for me to remember any of [TS]

01:02:00   the dates or place names is ludicrous i [TS]

01:02:03   can i can find it on my phone and a half [TS]

01:02:05   a second and so what we used to be [TS]

01:02:07   caught what we used to call intelligence [TS]

01:02:09   was in large part just memorization [TS]

01:02:13   of things and now most of that has been [TS]

01:02:16   made obsolete [TS]

01:02:17   so what is intelligence now that we have [TS]

01:02:20   to call it the ability to draw together [TS]

01:02:22   disparate ideas and things across a wide [TS]

01:02:26   spectrum of knowledge and make sense of [TS]

01:02:28   them at the center you know we have to [TS]

01:02:30   be able to draw on things and make snake [TS]

01:02:33   and former hubs out in space and say [TS]

01:02:36   here's the hub where you know where the [TS]

01:02:39   Tama finland and and a MacGuffin here's [TS]

01:02:44   where those things link up here is a [TS]

01:02:45   world in which those things coexist who [TS]

01:02:47   you have to be able to form those hubs [TS]

01:02:49   and that is a different kind of [TS]

01:02:50   intelligence than being able to memorize [TS]

01:02:52   her being able to to pass your med [TS]

01:02:54   school exam or you know it's a systemic [TS]

01:02:57   knowledge it's a it's it's a much more [TS]

01:02:59   biological bomb and then I mean india [TS]

01:03:02   that having to read if you have to read [TS]

01:03:04   all of the you know ancient greek stuff [TS]

01:03:07   if you have to read you know all the [TS]

01:03:09   Roman history stuff if you if you would [TS]

01:03:11   ensure that could be a total death march [TS]

01:03:13   but it gives you a real context for [TS]

01:03:15   understanding things about history and [TS]

01:03:16   relationships and as i said before i'm [TS]

01:03:18   here i think it's really helpful to [TS]

01:03:19   understand the stories you know I my [TS]

01:03:22   concern with some of this goes back to [TS]

01:03:23   how fucked up the educational system [TS]

01:03:25   seems to be and and you know it will be [TS]

01:03:27   a whole other season of this show to [TS]

01:03:29   talk about the way kids are tested now [TS]

01:03:31   we can be attached to the test [TS]

01:03:33   believe me I think every person should [TS]

01:03:36   read Plato and I think every person [TS]

01:03:39   listening to this podcast if they have [TS]

01:03:40   not read Plato they should go get [TS]

01:03:42   play-doh and they should read it because [TS]

01:03:44   it's all there like everything that you [TS]

01:03:47   are wondering about right now is in [TS]

01:03:48   Plato and if you have read it and [TS]

01:03:52   understand and it's very easy to read [TS]

01:03:54   that's the thing most people don't read [TS]

01:03:56   from remember i read i read all the [TS]

01:03:58   major dialogues and I honestly don't [TS]

01:03:59   remember that much about I couldn't tell [TS]

01:04:01   you which ones are wish I could take [TS]

01:04:02   some names but I don't remember what [TS]

01:04:03   happened to them [TS]

01:04:04   I think if you went back and read it [TS]

01:04:06   again you would find that it was a [TS]

01:04:07   breezy read who's not like reading Freud [TS]

01:04:09   it's like reading so it's very [TS]

01:04:12   conversational river and really a lot of [TS]

01:04:16   a lot of the stuff that you know that [TS]

01:04:19   every year undergraduate goes cool [TS]

01:04:22   oh my god i just had a great i just had [TS]

01:04:24   a tremendous realization and 90 [TS]

01:04:27   and percent of the time that that [TS]

01:04:28   realization was already in Plato and he [TS]

01:04:31   could he could have saved himself the [TS]

01:04:33   Domino's Pizza that it cost him to use [TS]

01:04:36   his brain to figure it out because it's [TS]

01:04:37   already it's already written down [TS]

01:04:39   somebody already was there so i mean i'm [TS]

01:04:42   not against the great books obviously [TS]

01:04:43   don't let me try to give you an angle on [TS]

01:04:45   what I'm actually trying to say here [TS]

01:04:46   which which is that if you take [TS]

01:04:48   something [TS]

01:04:49   imagine this unholy mixture then and [TS]

01:04:52   near the center of this i think you have [TS]

01:04:53   to put the testing stuff the testing [TS]

01:04:54   stuff is if you talk to anybody who's [TS]

01:04:56   teaching school right now it's a [TS]

01:04:58   completely different world than you and [TS]

01:04:59   are in student no child left behind all [TS]

01:05:02   that kind of nonsense if you want [TS]

01:05:03   funding you know there's teachers who [TS]

01:05:04   rather than having to cheat then having [TS]

01:05:06   to like basically tell their kids what's [TS]

01:05:08   on the test in order to you know get in [TS]

01:05:10   the past so I mean that's me as an [TS]

01:05:11   elephant in the room but here's the [TS]

01:05:13   other part like an honest has always [TS]

01:05:14   been on smart kids to educate themselves [TS]

01:05:17   ok here's what I'm trying to say like [TS]

01:05:18   there was it you said again there was a [TS]

01:05:20   time when you could at least count on [TS]

01:05:22   least when I was in public schools as a [TS]

01:05:23   kid it might be the only thing in your [TS]

01:05:25   life that was a real rock you might have [TS]

01:05:27   had like a tough home life you might [TS]

01:05:30   have had not much to eat but you can get [TS]

01:05:31   a fucking yellow bus and go to school [TS]

01:05:33   and there was a meal there for you if [TS]

01:05:34   your tomato soup and they had a much [TS]

01:05:36   bigger [TS]

01:05:37   yeah but had a much better free [TS]

01:05:38   breakfast I mean that had a much bigger [TS]

01:05:39   role than just trying to just trying to [TS]

01:05:42   get you to you know get George Bush [TS]

01:05:44   reelected so right i want you here but [TS]

01:05:46   here's what can here's what worries me a [TS]

01:05:47   little bit is what if you took all the [TS]

01:05:49   most hollow and pretentious and fucked [TS]

01:05:52   up and broken and misunderstood pieces [TS]

01:05:55   of the entire pedagogical culture of the [TS]

01:05:57   last you know millennium and [TS]

01:05:59   misunderstood them in such a way that it [TS]

01:06:01   drain all of them up out of what made [TS]

01:06:04   each they took out of armed each of them [TS]

01:06:07   what made them special right so the [TS]

01:06:08   great you know there's with you took [TS]

01:06:10   these ideas of like well we should all [TS]

01:06:11   have a common education or there should [TS]

01:06:13   be some kind of a bar that we all agree [TS]

01:06:15   represents this or you say a teacher [TS]

01:06:17   should be you know and you know like [TS]

01:06:19   Alexander pedagogical or not didactic [TS]

01:06:21   but you become this kind of character [TS]

01:06:23   that is respected you take all that and [TS]

01:06:24   pretty soon you've got like half of some [TS]

01:06:26   fuckhead at a community college [TS]

01:06:28   who's sitting there and thinking any [TS]

01:06:30   sister or something you know I'm just [TS]

01:06:32   worried that if there's no center to [TS]

01:06:33   this other than how we get our budget [TS]

01:06:35   for next year [TS]

01:06:36   nobody [TS]

01:06:36   have any idea what the real purpose of [TS]

01:06:39   being in that room is and when that [TS]

01:06:41   happens i think that's when you get a [TS]

01:06:43   nation of dumb fucks because you're [TS]

01:06:44   gonna get people gaming the system much [TS]

01:06:46   like you and you're going to get people [TS]

01:06:48   who don't even understand why it's great [TS]

01:06:50   to know the story why it's great to know [TS]

01:06:52   that extra Rome was gay but why this is [TS]

01:06:55   such an interesting story why like we [TS]

01:06:56   say the founding fathers did not agree [TS]

01:06:58   on that much of anything right but but [TS]

01:07:00   but we already live in a nation of dumb [TS]

01:07:02   fucks and part of that point at all that [TS]

01:07:05   you get what I'm saying that if you take [TS]

01:07:06   all the bullshit of what education seems [TS]

01:07:08   like without taking the Hard the [TS]

01:07:10   difficult and the interesting part that [TS]

01:07:12   made it great [TS]

01:07:13   overtime is a shell it's a fucking shell [TS]

01:07:16   i think it has to be reinvented you've [TS]

01:07:18   got you eat you had no pride no previous [TS]

01:07:20   point in history where 300 million [TS]

01:07:22   Americans you cannot educate 300 million [TS]

01:07:25   people the same way that you would [TS]

01:07:26   educate 20 million people you can't you [TS]

01:07:29   can't expect that that that the [TS]

01:07:32   definition of what is useful and [TS]

01:07:34   reasonable for 300 million people to [TS]

01:07:36   know is the same you know that when the [TS]

01:07:39   United States was founded the number of [TS]

01:07:42   people that the ten percent of the [TS]

01:07:44   population was actually literate and it [TS]

01:07:47   is in some ways it's the toaster problem [TS]

01:07:50   after World War Two that there was this [TS]

01:07:53   incredible influx into up into the [TS]

01:07:56   American family of of labor-saving [TS]

01:07:59   devices all we're going to give you the [TS]

01:08:01   washing machine we're going to give you [TS]

01:08:02   the dryer and the late all this labor is [TS]

01:08:04   going to so much and so much free time [TS]

01:08:06   so much free time and we are going to [TS]

01:08:07   create a utopia for people sit around [TS]

01:08:10   and write poems and make a you know and [TS]

01:08:14   knit sweaters for trees and put a you [TS]

01:08:17   know and and and make cufflinks out of [TS]

01:08:20   old typewriter keys and sell them on [TS]

01:08:21   Etsy like we're going to create this [TS]

01:08:24   this utopic world utopian world because [TS]

01:08:27   we're gonna have all this free time and [TS]

01:08:29   we created all this free time and people [TS]

01:08:30   the vast majority of peoples have now [TS]

01:08:34   spent that time drinking 64-ounce [TS]

01:08:36   mountain dews and watching television [TS]

01:08:37   and that and that's not a eugenic ille [TS]

01:08:40   argument it's a argument of just like [TS]

01:08:43   listen that's always been the case there [TS]

01:08:45   were there they're like literacy is not [TS]

01:08:50   some kind of magic drug that creates a [TS]

01:08:55   that creates like I like philosopher [TS]

01:08:58   Kings out of everyone literacy is [TS]

01:09:01   valuable and certain you know like a [TS]

01:09:05   certain percent of the population [TS]

01:09:06   exploits it and most people it just [TS]

01:09:09   makes it easier to get around town i and [TS]

01:09:13   III don't want to like devolved into a [TS]

01:09:15   demographical like well I think two [TS]

01:09:20   things one thing is also i mean i don't [TS]

01:09:21   know this is just a conventional wisdom [TS]

01:09:23   that's been exploded but the other side [TS]

01:09:24   of the washer and dryer thing is it [TS]

01:09:26   wasn't mom suddenly got to sit around [TS]

01:09:28   and eat bonbons and take dexedrine it [TS]

01:09:30   was that the standard went up the [TS]

01:09:33   standard one up for what were expected [TS]

01:09:34   to people that's that's what was not [TS]

01:09:36   included in the vision of us being [TS]

01:09:37   living and living in fucking Jetsons [TS]

01:09:39   Rosie takes care of everything [TS]

01:09:40   people thought that when washing driver [TS]

01:09:42   came along or you know now you're gonna [TS]

01:09:44   have to go get ice for your icebox [TS]

01:09:45   frozen for standard of the standard went [TS]

01:09:48   up only in only if you measure it one [TS]

01:09:51   way I mean people still work already got [TS]

01:09:54   his laundry they wanted to they wanted [TS]

01:09:55   they wanted mom doing a little bit of [TS]

01:09:56   laundry every day in some cases mom mom [TS]

01:09:59   used to do laundry [TS]

01:10:01   that was my name monday was a bad day [TS]

01:10:04   exactly yeah and then Tuesday was [TS]

01:10:06   ironing you know a that people still go [TS]

01:10:09   to work for 40 hours a week but the [TS]

01:10:12   amount of time they're actually working [TS]

01:10:13   the first probably 15 hours and the rest [TS]

01:10:16   of the time there there there be another [TS]

01:10:19   fishing and about playing with their [TS]

01:10:20   balls [TS]

01:10:24   they will face you know when people went [TS]

01:10:26   out to to work [TS]