Roderick on the Line

Ep. 12: "Cold-Calling the Jewess"


00:00:00   hello hi John how are you I'm Merlin and [TS]

00:00:11   the name John you need a better song for [TS]

00:00:16   me who I have a song for you darlin [TS]

00:00:19   darlin darlin darlin John alright that's [TS]

00:00:23   worth of work for me [TS]

00:00:25   doesn't that kind of it's got a what's [TS]

00:00:28   that was that ping-pong when you play [TS]

00:00:29   The Black Keys only that's not Phrygian [TS]

00:00:31   we call that we do that is something I [TS]

00:00:34   mean that John Lennon song [TS]

00:00:36   yeah there's a radiohead song to that so [TS]

00:00:38   all on the black keys [TS]

00:00:40   that's really good it's the it's that [TS]

00:00:42   one that's impossible to learn because [TS]

00:00:44   it's it's a because it was written by [TS]

00:00:48   geniuses well guy another one I'm [TS]

00:00:50   talking about [TS]

00:00:51   yeah I bet it's no surprises now no no [TS]

00:00:55   it's the it's the piano one from one of [TS]

00:00:57   those later records that were the other [TS]

00:00:59   one of the world leaders and bloops yeah [TS]

00:01:01   yeah but it wasn't looking but they kept [TS]

00:01:03   putting up those records that were [TS]

00:01:04   bleeps and bloops and I and I and I was [TS]

00:01:07   supposed to not like them and then every [TS]

00:01:09   one of them had some great songs on it [TS]

00:01:11   couldn't have been composed by mere [TS]

00:01:14   mortals and really just like are you [TS]

00:01:16   assholes I'm hm write that down i'm [TS]

00:01:19   super intrigued by that it because i [TS]

00:01:21   took me a really long time i sent John [TS]

00:01:24   Roderick I took me a long time to warm [TS]

00:01:26   up to Radiohead and can you get a fair [TS]

00:01:28   yeah not a huge welcome can you guess [TS]

00:01:30   the reason why I just I was way over [TS]

00:01:33   Radiohead and I was fucking tired of [TS]

00:01:35   hearing about how great Radiohead was [TS]

00:01:38   but more importantly how I had to we [TS]

00:01:40   have to listen to the radio head right i [TS]

00:01:42   was so i like that i like the creep song [TS]

00:01:44   you know objected to being told that if [TS]

00:01:46   that if you didn't like them you weren't [TS]

00:01:48   smart [TS]

00:01:49   yes and ever that I wasn't you know it's [TS]

00:01:51   what it would be like it's weird it's [TS]

00:01:53   like in 10 [TS]

00:01:54   it's like admitting you don't read books [TS]

00:01:56   or something yeah well you know I i had [TS]

00:01:59   a my Radiohead like moment i was i was [TS]

00:02:04   working in a magazine store and i was [TS]

00:02:07   reading the English pop magazine [TS]

00:02:09   assimilates the magazine store [TS]

00:02:11   i was when i was working a magazine [TS]

00:02:12   store back in ya back in the sixties man [TS]

00:02:15   me and Lester Bangs and Tom Wolfe and [TS]

00:02:18   and I spent it was the best job in the [TS]

00:02:20   world i had it for its little basically [TS]

00:02:22   the longest job I ever kept because I [TS]

00:02:25   would sit find this counter in this like [TS]

00:02:27   newsstand and people would come in and [TS]

00:02:29   say you have the local newspaper and i [TS]

00:02:32   would say hey what kind of newspaper [TS]

00:02:35   stand with this be if we didn't have the [TS]

00:02:36   local newspaper and then they would like [TS]

00:02:39   throw their quarter down on the counter [TS]

00:02:41   and storm out and I would I think I felt [TS]

00:02:43   good to feel superior all day and and i [TS]

00:02:47   would read the English pop magazines you [TS]

00:02:48   know like before mojo and Q became just [TS]

00:02:53   about repackaging the beatles every [TS]

00:02:55   issue talk about nme nme was always hard [TS]

00:02:58   for me to really swallow because there's [TS]

00:03:01   a lot of there's a lot of jargon and [TS]

00:03:03   yeah i was 17 anymore like that that [TS]

00:03:06   their coverage variable and she very [TS]

00:03:08   evil and she not use the enemy them yes [TS]

00:03:12   right but anyway so I'm reading this [TS]

00:03:14   article about the recording of ok [TS]

00:03:17   computer [TS]

00:03:17   yeah very super interesting story yeah I [TS]

00:03:20   met and the and the the reports an [TS]

00:03:22   in-depth article on the guys like waxing [TS]

00:03:25   a romantic about how this records being [TS]

00:03:28   made and all my god these guys are [TS]

00:03:30   making this incredible thing and you may [TS]

00:03:32   know them from their creep song but this [TS]

00:03:34   thing this record is a is a work of art [TS]

00:03:36   and so I'm sitting there the newsstand [TS]

00:03:41   and I pick up the phone and I call the [TS]

00:03:42   independent record store see this story [TS]

00:03:45   does take place in the sixties who in [TS]

00:03:48   the center of Gladstone's yet phones i [TS]

00:03:50   picked up the the dial rotary phone and [TS]

00:03:53   I call the independent record store [TS]

00:03:54   which was down at the other end of [TS]

00:03:55   broadway central said operator get me [TS]

00:03:59   the record store got caught up [TS]

00:04:02   hey you're that yeah Jack can get off [TS]

00:04:04   the get of this party line i got into [TS]

00:04:06   emergency is it Christmas Day [TS]

00:04:08   what about that turkey in the window [TS]

00:04:10   that goes in the window um and I call [TS]

00:04:13   down there and I said hey uh so you do [TS]

00:04:17   know is that radiohead record coming out [TS]

00:04:19   anytime soon and the prison could answer [TS]

00:04:22   the phone when [TS]

00:04:23   oh it came out today and I said really [TS]

00:04:28   the ok computer he's like it came out [TS]

00:04:31   today it's the release day and you can [TS]

00:04:34   hear him he's talking about it like he [TS]

00:04:36   started to whisper like he's in the [TS]

00:04:38   church and I said Wow is a good and he [TS]

00:04:41   said it's amazing and i said well i have [TS]

00:04:47   to i have now I have to have this record [TS]

00:04:49   I have to get this record and he said no [TS]

00:04:51   no you have to get this record Who and I [TS]

00:04:55   said I know right away you hate him but [TS]

00:04:56   but this was this was you know this is [TS]

00:04:58   19 whatever and 97 and and when we were [TS]

00:05:03   having a that we're having a real a real [TS]

00:05:05   phone experience the two of us and I [TS]

00:05:08   said well hey look on i'm working at the [TS]

00:05:10   magazine store down at the other end of [TS]

00:05:11   a Broadway and i don't get off till [TS]

00:05:14   midnight he said all man we close 11 but [TS]

00:05:18   here's what I'm going to do [TS]

00:05:19   I'll bring it to you and that's a fan [TS]

00:05:24   and I said really said I'm going to [TS]

00:05:27   bring it to you right now and so I SAT [TS]

00:05:30   there at my job and 20 minutes later in [TS]

00:05:32   comes this kid with you know like [TS]

00:05:35   wearing a some kind of whatever the [TS]

00:05:38   hipster outfit at the time was bug brown [TS]

00:05:40   Levi's chords with bootcut bottoms and a [TS]

00:05:43   chain wallet or whatever people wore [TS]

00:05:46   back in the day and he's like you know [TS]

00:05:49   he hands it to me with both hands like [TS]

00:05:50   here you go [TS]

00:05:51   I was like wow thank you you know and I [TS]

00:05:54   gave him ten dollars or however much [TS]

00:05:55   records costs and tuppence [TS]

00:05:59   I guess I've lived in a copper carry out [TS]

00:06:02   your outline my cranky gonna run along [TS]

00:06:06   run along [TS]

00:06:07   I was that guy was after me I was kind [TS]

00:06:09   of hoping that you would say that he was [TS]

00:06:10   in a wheelchair haha like maybe he was [TS]

00:06:15   going he had some kind of ND were [TS]

00:06:17   holding on a homemade crunch so anyway [TS]

00:06:20   all we have left is little stool but we [TS]

00:06:23   all we all have we all have stories [TS]

00:06:25   about certain records like how our limo [TS]

00:06:27   I could matter and that and the fact [TS]

00:06:30   that this guy at the at the record store [TS]

00:06:32   like made this trip and just the just a [TS]

00:06:35   coincidence [TS]

00:06:36   like I'm reading this article i'm gonna [TS]

00:06:38   call the record store it's not something [TS]

00:06:39   I normally do it always made me treasure [TS]

00:06:42   it be above and beyond the experience [TS]

00:06:47   the the initial experience i had the [TS]

00:06:48   music which was I put it in and and and [TS]

00:06:52   that first song with it's hypnotizing [TS]

00:06:54   baseline [TS]

00:06:55   I you know I like I wasn't sure if it [TS]

00:06:58   pass the smell test at first but it [TS]

00:07:00   ended up you know of course it's a great [TS]

00:07:02   record does that mean i can't play [TS]

00:07:04   whatever what this is what this is not [TS]

00:07:06   least I said he went always say if they [TS]

00:07:08   said that he went back to save the [TS]

00:07:10   airbag and then I i had a gun into [TS]

00:07:13   lyrics and realize that it's a great [TS]

00:07:15   it's a fucking great song on my life and [TS]

00:07:18   that's actually a great image like you [TS]

00:07:19   could reincorporate that I might take [TS]

00:07:21   that into that is linked back to save [TS]

00:07:23   the airbag [TS]

00:07:24   yeah well they're like all records only [TS]

00:07:25   one song on it that I despise but other [TS]

00:07:27   than that it is a pretty much almost [TS]

00:07:30   flawless record and I didn't I i was [TS]

00:07:32   very you wanna come back to that you [TS]

00:07:33   remember that down what sorry oh please [TS]

00:07:35   right now but you can guess you can get [TS]

00:07:36   at you can't even guess [TS]

00:07:37   no I know what song you don't like on [TS]

00:07:39   the radio and record but what song don't [TS]

00:07:40   you like on rumors [TS]

00:07:42   oh daddy are you having not crazy about [TS]

00:07:44   daddy [TS]

00:07:45   at least I don't forget my head or you [TS]

00:07:47   think you can guess it's got 12 song can [TS]

00:07:49   you guess [TS]

00:07:50   Radiohead yeah i mean i think it's i [TS]

00:07:53   think it's the one song if it's armored [TS]

00:07:54   police now [TS]

00:07:55   not at all like to later would you call [TS]

00:07:59   me too sorry i start over [TS]

00:08:02   it's in the sequence and you've almost [TS]

00:08:05   flawless and no you enjoy a good [TS]

00:08:06   sequence election down electric [TS]

00:08:08   electioneering silly yeah it's fix way [TS]

00:08:10   out I just punku one skipper it's a [TS]

00:08:13   skipper but my gosh have so much to [TS]

00:08:16   follow up with the no way to talk about [TS]

00:08:18   radio though you might overhear I want [TS]

00:08:21   to just I just want to say that this is [TS]

00:08:22   this is bad on me and because you know [TS]

00:08:24   there's this is a constant availability [TS]

00:08:26   heuristic as you like to say there are [TS]

00:08:28   certain things where you see a pattern [TS]

00:08:29   often enough that you got me not for me [TS]

00:08:31   right [TS]

00:08:32   you know this is you do this all the [TS]

00:08:33   time you're very productive person [TS]

00:08:34   innovative like what pattern that I'm [TS]

00:08:36   expecting now is that you're going to [TS]

00:08:37   segue somehow to talk about Sloan and [TS]

00:08:41   and you know it's [TS]

00:08:44   something i want to put the kibosh on [TS]

00:08:46   okay i want to talk about Sloan you [TS]

00:08:48   never want to talk about Sloan eric is [TS]

00:08:50   the only one that would talk to me about [TS]

00:08:51   salon there are a lot of people in [TS]

00:08:52   Seattle that will talk to you about [TS]

00:08:53   Sloan I know it's it's what is it [TS]

00:08:55   something the name check they try and [TS]

00:08:56   talk to me about Sloan and I have seen [TS]

00:08:58   Sloan half a dozen times just came out [TS]

00:09:00   the same here came up saying here's one [TS]

00:09:01   chord to another if you're curious about [TS]

00:09:03   how can you not like d turns to G oh my [TS]

00:09:08   god the the you know but seriously there [TS]

00:09:12   are albums like this and i have to say [TS]

00:09:14   John I just feel like I don't know you [TS]

00:09:16   you know perfectly well but I feel like [TS]

00:09:17   I see this all time with you you gotta [TS]

00:09:19   switch flips and you go the more I hear [TS]

00:09:22   about this thing the more I'm so fucking [TS]

00:09:24   never going to consume this personally I [TS]

00:09:27   mean and I've had a lot of good reason [TS]

00:09:28   to feel that way there are some times [TS]

00:09:30   when I've been dead wrong [TS]

00:09:31   there's a lot of time to write and it's [TS]

00:09:32   why I fear how I have become the wire [TS]

00:09:36   guy and the movie guy like you got to [TS]

00:09:38   watch the wire you gotta listen to move [TS]

00:09:40   and I do it until everybody sick of it [TS]

00:09:41   no one likes it and now they're mad [TS]

00:09:43   couldn't want to listen to the wire now [TS]

00:09:45   for me I don't know how this happened [TS]

00:09:46   also was recording the castle I gotta [TS]

00:09:49   look this one's castle recordings i [TS]

00:09:51   think i look at it wasn't a little [TS]

00:09:53   computer castle recording I thought they [TS]

00:09:55   did it on a on a canal barge ah hmm i [TS]

00:09:59   think if they can October by you to [TS]

00:10:00   follow the good women know you to [TS]

00:10:04   definitely recorded in the castle that [TS]

00:10:05   without let's start [TS]

00:10:07   ok computer didn't record it partly in [TS]

00:10:09   hallways and bathrooms and I think of [TS]

00:10:10   something else I might be thinking of [TS]

00:10:12   the planet telex record which i also [TS]

00:10:13   want to talk about i'm not sure i do [TS]

00:10:15   know that i do that know that David [TS]

00:10:17   Gilmore has a studio in a boat on the [TS]

00:10:20   Thames or something just to get away [TS]

00:10:22   from roger waters well because at a [TS]

00:10:25   certain point at a certain point it's [TS]

00:10:27   like I could either throw my money in [TS]

00:10:29   the temp yes or i could build a studio [TS]

00:10:31   in a barge on the Thames like I have too [TS]

00:10:33   much money and i am i'm just going to do [TS]

00:10:36   so i'm gonna do this i'm writing this [TS]

00:10:37   down just so never have to talk about [TS]

00:10:39   again I I don't like to bring up Mike [TS]

00:10:41   love I need someone to write things down [TS]

00:10:42   so you never have to talk about them [TS]

00:10:44   again write things down for a lot of [TS]

00:10:46   reasons John I'm gonna get a carton [TS]

00:10:47   listen listen other Merlin who lives in [TS]

00:10:50   my head i'm writing this down and we're [TS]

00:10:52   done talking about it [TS]

00:10:53   you be quiet you two I'm just think it's [TS]

00:10:55   super group involving Mike 11 Roger [TS]

00:10:57   Waters we can come back to that if you [TS]

00:10:58   wait a minute i'm a Roger Waters fan [TS]

00:11:00   yeah what wait a minute i don't like 11 [TS]

00:11:03   things wrong with that your day and now [TS]

00:11:05   you'll absolutely absolutely [TS]

00:11:07   he's around her and I my god the what I [TS]

00:11:10   mean like love could join that super [TS]

00:11:12   group that we're putting together with [TS]

00:11:13   anthony kiedis on vocals and we should [TS]

00:11:17   see this hand think I'm doing right now [TS]

00:11:18   and robby krieger on guitar but all the [TS]

00:11:22   best fighters are just a little research [TS]

00:11:25   on drums uh-huh [TS]

00:11:26   just just the cream don't think he's a [TS]

00:11:28   good drummer Lars it i mean he's I don't [TS]

00:11:31   know who makes his drums uh large should [TS]

00:11:34   we talk about injustice for all at some [TS]

00:11:36   point we talked about that with me maybe [TS]

00:11:38   and justice for all as a tremendous [TS]

00:11:39   record yeah I like this I like this how [TS]

00:11:41   you like the highlight this trigger [TS]

00:11:42   drums I don't know that there's not [TS]

00:11:45   there's no there's nothing about the [TS]

00:11:47   drums and metallica this is the thing [TS]

00:11:49   that sounds like he's playing a phone [TS]

00:11:51   buck james hetfield is such a musician [TS]

00:11:53   such a tremendous musician who although [TS]

00:11:56   his his taste in his judgment or [TS]

00:11:57   sometimes in question didn't always get [TS]

00:11:59   the credit but such a tremendous [TS]

00:12:01   musician that he has made a massively [TS]

00:12:03   popular band with some classic music in [TS]

00:12:06   spite of the fact that his drummer and [TS]

00:12:08   lead guitar player are both like [TS]

00:12:11   absolute animal they could figure out [TS]

00:12:15   how to teleport they couldn't figure out [TS]

00:12:16   a turnstile with a Sherpa and [TS]

00:12:18   flashlights and I think they're not [TS]

00:12:19   bright men when you watch the [TS]

00:12:21   documentaries i always thought you know [TS]

00:12:23   Hadfield was goofy you know and is [TS]

00:12:26   setting aside the alcohol stuff I I [TS]

00:12:27   thought he was just dumb as shit and the [TS]

00:12:30   Kirk Hammett was the genius the spoolie [TS]

00:12:31   doodlee doodlee guy but it's clear that [TS]

00:12:34   like first field does it all and he [TS]

00:12:37   plays a bunch of the good parts right it [TS]

00:12:39   was the mall because all the good parts [TS]

00:12:40   and then everyone you know then he like [TS]

00:12:42   points through the glass curtain goes ok [TS]

00:12:45   literally right you got 45 seconds go [TS]

00:12:48   yeah that's in it becomes like that [TS]

00:12:51   yngwie al dimeola thing we're just doing [TS]

00:12:53   runs yes the flowers oranges dad was in [TS]

00:12:56   Metallica that would be an incredible [TS]

00:12:58   insight about Bobby Ulrich [TS]

00:13:00   what's-his-name remember remember he's [TS]

00:13:02   the little use the little dwarf that [TS]

00:13:04   lives in [TS]

00:13:04   toadstool that appears halfway through [TS]

00:13:06   the movie and like talk shit about all [TS]

00:13:08   their music [TS]

00:13:09   he's got great touches beard into his [TS]

00:13:11   belt right one of those guys I gotta go [TS]

00:13:13   back and this is just some kind of [TS]

00:13:15   monster [TS]

00:13:16   yeah that that movie though that armor [TS]

00:13:19   just watching terrible record but like [TS]

00:13:21   that vitamin b12 shot just having feet [TS]

00:13:23   having seen the film but when you walk [TS]

00:13:25   away though like you're still pulling [TS]

00:13:27   forehead field isn't a weird i mean at [TS]

00:13:29   least i was the whole time I was like oh [TS]

00:13:30   man he's the Paul like he's appalled [TS]

00:13:33   he's doing is trying to hold this shit [TS]

00:13:34   together when he's got you know well not [TS]

00:13:36   all probably had fewer of the problems [TS]

00:13:38   that the demons that field demons but [TS]

00:13:41   you think Paul McCartney had fewer [TS]

00:13:42   demons the james hetfield I think [TS]

00:13:45   they're probably easier to market you [TS]

00:13:48   think it's a team meeting is a hunted [TS]

00:13:49   man Paul McCartney Paul yeah he's [TS]

00:13:51   haunted by the board normal texting [TS]

00:13:53   seriously got divorced from a lady who [TS]

00:13:55   lost her leg in mine and that's [TS]

00:13:56   complicated [TS]

00:13:57   that's a lot of layers to that John [TS]

00:13:59   noticed it was ugly [TS]

00:14:01   I'm trying to think I mean Paul [TS]

00:14:02   McCartney this is the thing about the [TS]

00:14:04   Beatles that no one ever talks about [TS]

00:14:05   which is that I mean people talk about [TS]

00:14:06   it but it but it it's not like the [TS]

00:14:09   Zeppelin era where people really talked [TS]

00:14:11   about it with the beatles I mean think [TS]

00:14:12   about all the birds that they shagged [TS]

00:14:16   when shagging birds was a thing you [TS]

00:14:19   could do and then Paul McCartney marries [TS]

00:14:23   a like a forty-five-year-old one-legged [TS]

00:14:26   girl and before that it was the the [TS]

00:14:28   photo lady couldn't sing a photo lady [TS]

00:14:30   couldn't thing and frankly wasn't pretty [TS]

00:14:33   ever heard soundcheck was just her [TS]

00:14:34   monitors i have oh my did you every one [TS]

00:14:37   of her frozen dinners [TS]

00:14:38   no no but I see need to hold the door [TS]

00:14:40   open legally a vegan door okay yeah the [TS]

00:14:44   pleather I remember walking through a [TS]

00:14:46   supermarket and seeing her face [TS]

00:14:47   appearing out of me through the frozen [TS]

00:14:49   you know like our vegan meals in behind [TS]

00:14:53   the the freezer compartment and I just [TS]

00:14:56   thought oh that have that tastes [TS]

00:14:59   terrible then I don't taste terrible to [TS]

00:15:00   look at it now she says she is an old [TS]

00:15:02   paintings she pass [TS]

00:15:03   oh yeah she's Paul would never have [TS]

00:15:06   divorced her they were that was like the [TS]

00:15:07   love of the age of like he's trying to [TS]

00:15:09   do a yoga thing that you've seen John [TS]

00:15:11   Lennon ice cream and ice cream [TS]

00:15:14   no Ben & Jerry's [TS]

00:15:16   that was the horrible may imagine you [TS]

00:15:18   know whirled peas or whatever what's [TS]

00:15:20   called a convention chocolate swirl or [TS]

00:15:22   whatever you know like everything apart [TS]

00:15:24   a person the proceeds go to charity [TS]

00:15:26   ok i encourage you next time you go to [TS]

00:15:28   your store that sells ice cream and eye [TS]

00:15:29   to eye [TS]

00:15:30   I buy a lot of ice cream ice time ago i [TS]

00:15:32   took photo this point on the internet [TS]

00:15:33   one time ago and look at the service [TS]

00:15:36   mark it's just I know this is five shows [TS]

00:15:39   we can't get into it but it literally [TS]

00:15:41   says on a John Lennon is it is a [TS]

00:15:43   trademark of you haha and i know i [TS]

00:15:48   understand the life is complicated [TS]

00:15:49   in-laws are the way they are but I was [TS]

00:15:52   like you are you know what that's that's [TS]

00:15:54   been true for a pretty long time [TS]

00:15:56   yeah yeah I got that letter I got a copy [TS]

00:15:58   that let it being but i can't watch it [TS]

00:15:59   because the Beatles don't talk about [TS]

00:16:01   beetles and birds reading glasses right [TS]

00:16:04   now I they aren't they are my [TS]

00:16:06   prescription I'm and i don't know why i [TS]

00:16:11   put them on but it's making everything [TS]

00:16:13   look super convex but this is like half [TS]

00:16:16   glasses [TS]

00:16:17   no no they look like real glasses but [TS]

00:16:20   they're magnifying glasses instead of us [TS]

00:16:22   a look at john linnell we got like big [TS]

00:16:23   eyes super-big I separate the time and [TS]

00:16:26   generally no had had had absurd jokey [TS]

00:16:29   like magic store glasses on the meet his [TS]

00:16:31   eyes look like look like like the size [TS]

00:16:34   of silver dollars he has very thick [TS]

00:16:36   glasses but he also has huge eyes are [TS]

00:16:39   very very handsome man that floppy hair [TS]

00:16:41   is hard to do [TS]

00:16:42   yeah he's the kind of handsome that [TS]

00:16:45   where you feel like you you just feel [TS]

00:16:50   like just snuggling up in his armpit [TS]

00:16:53   it's no it's a different kind of [TS]

00:16:54   handsome and he seems like about the [TS]

00:16:55   last guy in the world that would let you [TS]

00:16:57   do that he would not let you do that no [TS]

00:16:59   man John Vanderslice you could get the [TS]

00:17:01   dog bed with him just roll around he [TS]

00:17:03   talked into it you know what funny you [TS]

00:17:04   should mention that vanderslice is here [TS]

00:17:05   right now snuggling in my arms again a [TS]

00:17:08   lucky man like Jim thank you [TS]

00:17:10   come on i'm doing a podcast was like oh [TS]

00:17:11   man [TS]

00:17:12   i'm @hardwick ok here's what I've got [TS]

00:17:15   right now we got to come back to the [TS]

00:17:16   beatles I I think we need to tackle the [TS]

00:17:18   Paul issue at length because I have some [TS]

00:17:20   very strong Paul feelings i really do [TS]

00:17:22   too but I don't I don't feel like I can [TS]

00:17:24   just I don't feel like I can start [TS]

00:17:25   talking about no need to stretch it's [TS]

00:17:26   like yoga [TS]

00:17:27   ok ok I've also got a red hair [TS]

00:17:30   wheelchair I want to talk about my cured [TS]

00:17:32   meats I want to control down a little [TS]

00:17:33   bit more recording in a castle is I [TS]

00:17:35   don't think that might be a brian eno [TS]

00:17:36   thing it's a huge the recording a castle [TS]

00:17:38   that's the bottom thing right that they [TS]

00:17:40   made all the bottom drum sounds in the [TS]

00:17:42   in the stairwell of the of the castle [TS]

00:17:45   and foot aluminum foil is kick drum hear [TS]

00:17:48   that [TS]

00:17:49   no I didn't hear that idea here that he [TS]

00:17:50   would throw he would throw a drumstick [TS]

00:17:52   at any recording engineer that got [TS]

00:17:54   within 15 feet of his kit there for him [TS]

00:17:57   he makes his own drums [TS]

00:17:58   well they didn't want to he didn't want [TS]

00:18:00   close miking he want he only wanted the [TS]

00:18:02   Far mics and if they tried to but you [TS]

00:18:04   know and recording engineers always want [TS]

00:18:05   to put my close-up makes their job [TS]

00:18:06   easier so they'd stayed we stayed sneak [TS]

00:18:09   in and they start moving the mic stories [TS]

00:18:10   kid huh KITT he talks tix at them until [TS]

00:18:12   they got scared and ran away when okay [TS]

00:18:15   if you get out you can sm57 foreign up [TS]

00:18:18   far enough up and engineers ask you [TS]

00:18:19   can't very very dry sound is what they [TS]

00:18:21   call it in the industry are you speaking [TS]

00:18:23   from personal experience nobody i [TS]

00:18:25   mean--is don't you use like forced air [TS]

00:18:26   will usually sm57 is pretty flexible for [TS]

00:18:29   four jumps are not on the kick butt like [TS]

00:18:30   you can you can get by with an sm57 [TS]

00:18:32   right you put a 757 on and we can hammer [TS]

00:18:35   nails with that shit all day long do [TS]

00:18:36   anything you can make an entire record [TS]

00:18:38   with just one NASA mission I can't tell [TS]

00:18:40   you how many stinky sm57 that his smell [TS]

00:18:43   I've smelled some really bad sm57 and [TS]

00:18:45   they all pretty much work it's always [TS]

00:18:47   the cord it's very seldom that Mike they [TS]

00:18:49   smell like there's more like low tide [TS]

00:18:51   like the tide goes out and then the the [TS]

00:18:55   crustaceans are kind of rotting there on [TS]

00:18:57   the beach that's what a lot of those [TS]

00:18:58   mics Allah low tide [TS]

00:19:00   yeah whenever we have a ribbon mic guy [TS]

00:19:02   i've certainly use them i think they're [TS]

00:19:05   I think there was you bring your inbox [TS]

00:19:07   and shit [TS]

00:19:08   ok it's ok it's expensive but they are [TS]

00:19:10   expensive in the ribbon I mean it's a [TS]

00:19:12   you know that no sm57 those breaks super [TS]

00:19:14   easy if you like sing too loud and break [TS]

00:19:17   the new with the new ones are [TS]

00:19:18   more robust was that doesn't sound [TS]

00:19:20   ribbony I want to get back to recording [TS]

00:19:21   a castle doesn't 57 is like the [TS]

00:19:24   Telecaster there was a bit they made it [TS]

00:19:26   perfect the rest i can put it in the [TS]

00:19:27   trunk you could take it apart and put in [TS]

00:19:28   the trunk [TS]

00:19:29   yeah yeah we should come back to that I [TS]

00:19:31   had telecast recording in a castle what [TS]

00:19:33   you're thinking of is dr. Quinn Medicine [TS]

00:19:35   Woman owns a castle that she rents out [TS]

00:19:39   two bands to record group is that true [TS]

00:19:43   yeah she lives in a castle and when [TS]

00:19:45   she's done she's making dr. Quinn [TS]

00:19:47   Medicine Woman or whatever she makes [TS]

00:19:49   other films and stuff I think she runs [TS]

00:19:52   this out to to rock bands her house but [TS]

00:19:56   making problems simply a web page for [TS]

00:19:58   that [TS]

00:19:59   that's my son that's most of it yeah [TS]

00:20:01   she's an actress she's them and halfway [TS]

00:20:04   or somebody she was sort of boobies in [TS]

00:20:07   something once when she was young I [TS]

00:20:09   don't know who she was she was in a [TS]

00:20:10   James Bond movie [TS]

00:20:12   no shoes are peeled monger look that up [TS]

00:20:15   telecaster I think I've told you this [TS]

00:20:17   story first of all part b III haven't [TS]

00:20:20   explored this a little bit offline and [TS]

00:20:23   talking to some of our non-fans but i [TS]

00:20:25   think would be interesting to this is a [TS]

00:20:27   really dumb idea what i was thinking it [TS]

00:20:28   would be fun at some point to do a [TS]

00:20:30   series on REM records the ones that I'm [TS]

00:20:34   familiar with MH she's like I'm just on [TS]

00:20:37   that green are you somebody that [TS]

00:20:39   includes green or somebody that that's [TS]

00:20:41   not what I was just just out of [TS]

00:20:43   generosity is a monster but Green would [TS]

00:20:45   be fine with me [TS]

00:20:46   oh you go all the way to moms now see [TS]

00:20:48   just because i love internet personality [TS]

00:20:50   i have to please people charge ya know I [TS]

00:20:52   stopped a dream i stopped before green [TS]

00:20:55   up to Green uh I know every note okay [TS]

00:20:59   what is this how you wanna roll from [TS]

00:21:00   green on it's like okay whatever you [TS]

00:21:03   want to stop a life with that rich [TS]

00:21:04   pageant you're not gonna get an argument [TS]

00:21:05   from me that you pick your you know pick [TS]

00:21:08   your tunes or whatever and I'm gonna [TS]

00:21:09   week as a superfan [TS]

00:21:11   ok I you know what let's keep it let's [TS]

00:21:13   keep it tight [TS]

00:21:14   I think it's okay so what's the one of [TS]

00:21:15   Elections pageant and that's a screen is [TS]

00:21:18   a green 86 let's come back to this [TS]

00:21:20   anyway my point being you know I yeah [TS]

00:21:23   when you're younger and you have a [TS]

00:21:24   modest amount of money just expect to [TS]

00:21:26   the independent record stores thing I [TS]

00:21:28   was a Tampa to the physical final fever [TS]

00:21:30   to my record [TS]

00:21:31   he's like you know half hour 45 minute [TS]

00:21:33   drive you go there a great record to [TS]

00:21:35   import is where i bought my level [TS]

00:21:37   terrorist apart 7-inch it's like where [TS]

00:21:39   you go to buy your records you still [TS]

00:21:40   have that level to transport 7u bad idea [TS]

00:21:43   yeah with the BW packed with you nobody [TS]

00:21:47   stands for packed with Jenna locksmith [TS]

00:21:50   bwca cbw don't know what that means is [TS]

00:21:52   level tears apart BW these days and i [TS]

00:21:55   bought it in nineteen hundred and [TS]

00:21:57   eighty-five force in Europe roundtable [TS]

00:22:03   yes and like a lot of the factory [TS]

00:22:04   rectory you know it costs a custom [TS]

00:22:05   literally $17 to make each one of those [TS]

00:22:07   and only charge to quit [TS]

00:22:09   nobody even knows what a quit is it was [TS]

00:22:11   very uh it's a the top [TS]

00:22:13   how many ok so how much did you got [TS]

00:22:15   farther you guys how many part you get [TS]

00:22:16   so many far as shit showings go into [TS]

00:22:19   going two parsecs parsecs going to top [TS]

00:22:22   ants and stuff is going to vomit copper [TS]

00:22:24   how many how many bugs here in a copper [TS]

00:22:26   I think good i think it's for Bob's to a [TS]

00:22:29   copper mine got your uncle and then and [TS]

00:22:32   then Allah 11-team coppers to 26 pins [TS]

00:22:36   ok and then what's the Exchequer the [TS]

00:22:39   Exchequer is like the the second [TS]

00:22:41   secretary of state it's like these a [TS]

00:22:42   finance person exchequer right well it's [TS]

00:22:44   a yeah it's like the minister of finance [TS]

00:22:47   and that's I i had so i had this long [TS]

00:22:49   list of names that I wanted for bands [TS]

00:22:50   that were all uniformly awful and I [TS]

00:22:52   really when I was in high school I [TS]

00:22:54   really wanted a band called exchequer [TS]

00:22:55   mmm that's a good name [TS]

00:22:57   no it's not it's really not X chill it's [TS]

00:23:00   chill [TS]

00:23:01   so I heard the reviews I'd heard the end [TS]

00:23:04   of your lists I'd seen the past and job [TS]

00:23:06   I've seen it all and I knew clearly in [TS]

00:23:08   order for me to make this next step in [TS]

00:23:10   my life I was going to go have to go buy [TS]

00:23:12   a copy of this album called murmur ok [TS]

00:23:14   and this is at a time [TS]

00:23:16   this is a very strange point for me [TS]

00:23:17   because this is when on a trip to vinyl [TS]

00:23:19   fever i might walk away with the secret [TS]

00:23:21   policeman's other wall that the Thompson [TS]

00:23:24   Twins into the gap and enjoy too much [TS]

00:23:27   instant she might buy that that zapper [TS]

00:23:29   record that's all [TS]

00:23:30   orchestral arrangements i get negative x [TS]

00:23:33   1 but [TS]

00:23:34   but like i wanted to i want to Zappa [TS]

00:23:37   record only 99 cents ship your item too [TS]

00:23:41   late to save eight dollars in sixty-nine [TS]

00:23:43   cents so I go in there it's almost [TS]

00:23:45   closing time you remember this right and [TS]

00:23:47   you're sitting there this is these kids [TS]

00:23:48   today to understand this you just going [TS]

00:23:50   download the entire you know who screwed [TS]

00:23:51   discography and come back from lunch and [TS]

00:23:53   you got it all gonna stand [TS]

00:23:55   no they don't understand that this was [TS]

00:23:56   this is truly an economic decision and [TS]

00:23:59   I'm sitting there like I don't remember [TS]

00:24:00   the other record i i i really do have [TS]

00:24:02   this weird recollection of it being a [TS]

00:24:04   Thompson Twins record but i'm probably [TS]

00:24:05   misremembering that i'm sure into the [TS]

00:24:07   gap without yet having fun boy three [TS]

00:24:09   oh sure they think the now they did [TS]

00:24:11   something with Bananarama right then [TS]

00:24:13   what I can on the sealed our lips are [TS]

00:24:15   sealed is that four-minute singer of fun [TS]

00:24:17   boy three co-wrote are ripped our lips [TS]

00:24:19   are sealed with jane wiedlin may each [TS]

00:24:21   did it a different version of it on [TS]

00:24:23   their respective records mainland wrote [TS]

00:24:25   that they believe that Jane Wiedlin [TS]

00:24:27   wrote a lot of the lot of the hits and [TS]

00:24:29   she was a great songwriter friends [TS]

00:24:31   started Francis article talks about [TS]

00:24:33   total super boxes I pixie I tried to be [TS]

00:24:36   friends with her on Twitter and you were [TS]

00:24:40   too much fur [TS]

00:24:41   mmm that was just that there was a there [TS]

00:24:44   was a culture gap a communication gap [TS]

00:24:46   got him back to this we got supposes [TS]

00:24:49   that she was she was like living in a [TS]

00:24:52   different you know what I did you know [TS]

00:24:54   what i did this week started following [TS]

00:24:56   any man so now i'm following ii men this [TS]

00:25:00   journey is a is she she's a real [TS]

00:25:02   facebooker she doesn't have Facebook [TS]

00:25:05   very well because she likes longer-form [TS]

00:25:08   exchanges have here some longer for us [TS]

00:25:11   that's not even funny [TS]

00:25:13   what if I was Romeo in black jeans [TS]

00:25:14   here's the thing um like Michael Penn [TS]

00:25:16   record you hear that wont to no myth on [TS]

00:25:18   it [TS]

00:25:19   great record bike rider she has so much [TS]

00:25:21   Mary to write as much on Brian right now [TS]

00:25:23   he's mentioned Michael jump Ryan's the [TS]

00:25:25   windows in the pan with the Jason [TS]

00:25:27   partner okay um Jason fuckers great [TS]

00:25:30   he's also great he does great also great [TS]

00:25:33   you seen him lately [TS]

00:25:34   big gun big fella and he's making [TS]

00:25:37   records with Susanna Hoffs who's still [TS]

00:25:39   just as beautiful as ever one [TS]

00:25:41   the cover of us girls awful the the [TS]

00:25:45   thing is i'm sorry i'm in the store [TS]

00:25:46   right i think it's that we're matter [TS]

00:25:48   came to this a 14 Fletcher Tampa anyway [TS]

00:25:51   working for so right in the heart of [TS]

00:25:53   tampa it sits in the bondage gear [TS]

00:25:57   district yes and so I think it's near [TS]

00:25:59   that near the left ventricle of us and [TS]

00:26:01   it's there that University I'm super [TS]

00:26:02   grateful I didn't end up going to yeah [TS]

00:26:04   the one that's all that looks like a [TS]

00:26:05   like a wedding cake [TS]

00:26:07   no no that's university of tampa totally [TS]

00:26:09   different totally fancy-looking [TS]

00:26:11   university it is it is and I think [TS]

00:26:14   they've got they've got a bookstore in [TS]

00:26:15   their place where they give up the [TS]

00:26:16   diplomas so I'm inviting fever and ok so [TS]

00:26:20   you know you know you know record store [TS]

00:26:22   guy right [TS]

00:26:23   it's not that different camera store guy [TS]

00:26:24   guitar store guy comic book guy you know [TS]

00:26:27   there's this is a type and i gotta say i [TS]

00:26:29   also used to be video store guy there [TS]

00:26:31   was a video store guy in sarasota that [TS]

00:26:33   loved fucking with people because you go [TS]

00:26:35   in it was an awesome indie like you [TS]

00:26:37   could go and get all these crazy you [TS]

00:26:38   know whatever you know hard to find film [TS]

00:26:41   you could get and if you ask him for [TS]

00:26:42   advice any thought your bozo he would [TS]

00:26:44   recommend something horrible to you [TS]

00:26:45   right you should try stars and bars like [TS]

00:26:48   home [TS]

00:26:48   god this is awful so anyway I go in [TS]

00:26:51   there and I know told you this but I [TS]

00:26:53   treasure this story I go in there I'm [TS]

00:26:54   holding two LPs in my hands and like you [TS]

00:26:58   know I hate 69 [TS]

00:27:00   hey you know that's a 69 they can't get [TS]

00:27:02   anything else right and I'm like this [TS]

00:27:03   sorry I'm records remember I hear a lot [TS]

00:27:05   about it and you know is this good [TS]

00:27:09   should i get this and without missing a [TS]

00:27:12   beat he goes that's a pretty good feel [TS]

00:27:13   like keyboard oriental music haha [TS]

00:27:18   Oh Lou look classic code [TS]

00:27:24   tick-tock tick-tock the stores closed [TS]

00:27:26   and i'm now holding something like the [TS]

00:27:28   Thompson Twins maybe in the name of love [TS]

00:27:29   and event planning and a record better [TS]

00:27:33   record with kudzu on the cover that [TS]

00:27:35   might be keyboard orientation she's more [TS]

00:27:37   beautiful more oriented music [TS]

00:27:40   and you know what I i did a bit the [TS]

00:27:42   bullet and let's look at home I spun it [TS]

00:27:45   i want to say i got at the same time [TS]

00:27:47   secret police and other ball but I [TS]

00:27:49   anyway my friends literally laughed at [TS]

00:27:52   me because I did the thing that you hate [TS]

00:27:54   I know you hate this you know you know [TS]

00:27:56   what I did I did I did the thing i did [TS]

00:27:58   the needle poppin right i would go for [TS]

00:28:00   that [TS]

00:28:00   oh yeah first 10 seconds of every track [TS]

00:28:02   secondary track oh god I want to [TS]

00:28:04   strangle you and you do that my friend [TS]

00:28:06   is still was not out of the closet I [TS]

00:28:07   went my god it's the country record and [TS]

00:28:13   then you know the Merlin Merlin of the [TS]

00:28:15   19th i guess that's probably for the [TS]

00:28:17   best looking for the game a little late [TS]

00:28:18   to the game but I'm but reckoning was [TS]

00:28:21   the one that really really really [TS]

00:28:22   grabbed me right [TS]

00:28:24   remember me like a great keyboard [TS]

00:28:25   country record oh my god if you love [TS]

00:28:27   keyboard oriented music yeah sure Bob [TS]

00:28:32   Wills Texas Playboy centerfold i murmur [TS]

00:28:36   makes a ton more sense i tell my kids [TS]

00:28:38   this I I say start with the chronic town [TS]

00:28:40   jump to reckoning and then you're [TS]

00:28:42   writing maybe former get the remastered [TS]

00:28:44   version whole different world [TS]

00:28:46   this is something you Yusei to merlins [TS]

00:28:47   prices to homeless kids you know when [TS]

00:28:50   you walk through a store asked if it's [TS]

00:28:53   keyboard oriented he didn't pass that he [TS]

00:28:58   was Jerry Lewis is still with us right [TS]

00:28:59   Jerry Lewis ya juu of the two of us [TS]

00:29:02   you are the one who would know the [TS]

00:29:04   current status and whereabouts unknown [TS]

00:29:06   exactly one person I can talk to you [TS]

00:29:08   know this is you have exactly one [TS]

00:29:09   problem Goldwater and go launcher only [TS]

00:29:12   person I can talk to about general you [TS]

00:29:14   talk to her about it but mushy mushy [TS]

00:29:16   matches my shot-for-shot literally [TS]

00:29:18   literally shot for shot and gentlemen [TS]

00:29:20   I'm gonna dominate turn I'm gonna I'm [TS]

00:29:22   gonna I'm gonna blow up the fourth wall [TS]

00:29:25   here and speak to you directly [TS]

00:29:26   no don't John that's really that's not [TS]

00:29:28   yet please don't listen address our list [TS]

00:29:30   directly and I'm gonna say that Merlin [TS]

00:29:33   on the topic of Jerry Lewis is a thing [TS]

00:29:35   to behold he should have a very loose [TS]

00:29:37   centered podcast all to himself which is [TS]

00:29:40   its multifaceted as well as deep [TS]

00:29:42   I think that you you you love Jerry [TS]

00:29:45   Lewis both earnestly and ironically [TS]

00:29:49   I love the complexity of Jerry Lewis so [TS]

00:29:51   I there's plenty of room for irony with [TS]

00:29:53   the loving giving in the thing this is [TS]

00:29:55   an industry that fears a genius but [TS]

00:29:57   there's also there's also there's also [TS]

00:29:59   the inescapable truth which is that you [TS]

00:30:01   resemble Jerry Lewis okay you know what [TS]

00:30:04   here's the deal here's the deal [TS]

00:30:05   identification ok I'll you know what [TS]

00:30:08   I'll see your discomfort and raise you [TS]

00:30:12   an asshole [TS]

00:30:12   from now on if you really want to get me [TS]

00:30:14   with you when i go to the land [TS]

00:30:16   uh-huh you can go Jim Carrey is for hear [TS]

00:30:18   that one more time I'm gonna fuckin got [TS]

00:30:20   somebody I'm gonna get it on my shoulder [TS]

00:30:22   i'm doing your country movies on my [TS]

00:30:23   shoulder heartworld still beating [TS]

00:30:25   yeah oh yeah I don't you don't remind me [TS]

00:30:27   of jim carrey you your face isn't as [TS]

00:30:29   elastic I got a pretty elastic face I'm [TS]

00:30:31   aging he's aging but Jerry Lewis useful [TS]

00:30:34   some pupils Harrison thing to see this [TS]

00:30:36   is that this is the high-level i'm going [TS]

00:30:38   to give you the the elevator pitch and [TS]

00:30:40   Jerry Lewis first of all stop what [TS]

00:30:41   you're doing [TS]

00:30:42   go not to a bookstore your computer and [TS]

00:30:44   by the king of comedy by shawn levy [TS]

00:30:46   which is the started it started so i'm [TS]

00:30:49   gonna Lawson thing that Jarrod oh it [TS]

00:30:52   started as it started as an authorized [TS]

00:30:54   biography and quickly became totally [TS]

00:30:56   unauthorized and it is about a man [TS]

00:30:59   you'll hear you will hear about how he [TS]

00:31:01   paid a bellboy to crush up as percocets [TS]

00:31:03   you hear about him throwing a champagne [TS]

00:31:06   bottle at a wall and saying i christen [TS]

00:31:08   this hotel motherfucker you will hear [TS]

00:31:12   how he kept a loaded gun it in the [TS]

00:31:15   bathroom next to his drugs and his [TS]

00:31:17   family found I won't go on only Robin [TS]

00:31:20   understands me on you you know you need [TS]

00:31:22   a gun in the bathroom i'm i'm with him a [TS]

00:31:24   hundred percent there any good you know [TS]

00:31:26   what this is but nevermind I'm not gonna [TS]

00:31:28   ask you this I've learned with my [TS]

00:31:29   friends who are here who crazy with the [TS]

00:31:31   weapons not asking too many questions [TS]

00:31:32   because there's a certain you need an [TS]

00:31:34   element of surprise [TS]

00:31:36   that's right you don't want to if [TS]

00:31:37   somebody says like where we're all the [TS]

00:31:39   guns in your house right and you go oh [TS]

00:31:42   well let me tell you where I say always [TS]

00:31:44   my worker porn you know you got its [TS]

00:31:46   distributed it's like get a level your [TS]

00:31:48   resources you know what I mean you don't [TS]

00:31:50   want to come home and meet a guy who has [TS]

00:31:53   been in my house for half an hour and [TS]

00:31:55   collected all my jumps and he's holding [TS]

00:31:56   the best gun and the restaurant the [TS]

00:31:58   coffee table by having an abscessed gun [TS]

00:32:00   and he's like welcome home [TS]

00:32:01   John I'm a big fan of your podcast watch [TS]

00:32:04   and see if you're wondering why I've [TS]

00:32:05   called you all here i want to talk about [TS]

00:32:07   the candles to him to come back to that [TS]

00:32:08   in a lot of fun and the candle [TS]

00:32:10   oh my god it's so creepy John if you [TS]

00:32:12   have to be successful i move the candles [TS]

00:32:14   all onto the piano piano it's creepy [TS]

00:32:17   I get photographed for the thing [TS]

00:32:18   creepier REM record or Jane we owe you [TS]

00:32:23   shoot we drop some threads here any [TS]

00:32:24   minute she seems cool facebook thing [TS]

00:32:26   that's a non-starter for me Jim we've [TS]

00:32:29   already done in the record store and [TS]

00:32:31   just you know we can pretty much take us [TS]

00:32:33   anywhere you want i I don't know every [TS]

00:32:35   kind of lame have a feature on here i [TS]

00:32:37   think you know part of what makes our [TS]

00:32:38   online such a national sensation is that [TS]

00:32:40   it you know whatever podcast blown yeah [TS]

00:32:44   they really did lose me though I mean I [TS]

00:32:47   that's why I've said they should be four [TS]

00:32:48   bands because i really like one of those [TS]

00:32:50   bands i'm ok with the second band and [TS]

00:32:54   then you know i'm just glad they're [TS]

00:32:56   successful I'm happy we talked about REM [TS]

00:32:57   well we don't have to talk about Sloane [TS]

00:32:59   for you talk about right now about him [TS]

00:33:02   REM you know the the great insight that [TS]

00:33:04   I had to get can strengthen the job done [TS]

00:33:06   nothing wrong with that better is so [TS]

00:33:08   much wrong with that you know that they [TS]

00:33:09   just prolong his life but I get a new [TS]

00:33:13   places to find fresh blood when peter [TS]

00:33:15   buck was living here in Seattle I [TS]

00:33:17   learned through my good friend shawn [TS]

00:33:19   nelson who was recording some songs with [TS]

00:33:20   him but the way that REM write songs is [TS]

00:33:24   that Peter writes 600 songs and record [TS]

00:33:28   them in his attic with baseline guitar [TS]

00:33:33   mandolin and all that stuff he just [TS]

00:33:36   makes he makes cds with 30 tracks on [TS]

00:33:39   them every one of them sounds like a [TS]

00:33:41   classic REM song truth and then he sends [TS]

00:33:44   those cds to the other guys and michael [TS]

00:33:47   stipe like pics which ones he likes to [TS]

00:33:50   start you know writing his parts to he's [TS]

00:33:53   always done that mean apparently on [TS]

00:33:55   reckoning this is it [TS]

00:33:56   well you have the remaster three [TS]

00:33:57   releases I don't us you know I'm not [TS]

00:34:00   that guy but I'm just telling you at it [TS]

00:34:03   you know how murderer is such a [TS]

00:34:04   headphones album most people don't [TS]

00:34:05   realize how much of a headphones out and [TS]

00:34:07   that is you're not even gonna believe [TS]

00:34:09   Homer sounds in the new version and you [TS]

00:34:12   know I have my ears are dead my ears are [TS]

00:34:13   totally dead reckoning and also the [TS]

00:34:15   bonus stuff on both the bonus concert on [TS]

00:34:17   both are great but seriously you need to [TS]

00:34:19   get this you know what I help you with [TS]

00:34:20   that the classic liner from the from the [TS]

00:34:24   recording of of murder was just like [TS]

00:34:26   here's the it's the first band in [TS]

00:34:28   history where all four guys keep saying [TS]

00:34:31   can you turn me down [TS]

00:34:33   you turn me down in the mix like I like [TS]

00:34:36   my parts to be lower in the mix like the [TS]

00:34:38   only band in history that all four guys [TS]

00:34:41   were fighting to to be i can't i can't [TS]

00:34:43   believe like it man [TS]

00:34:45   bilberry got a lot of guys drawing he's [TS]

00:34:47   like these of Ringo you know the guy [TS]

00:34:49   she's so fucking solid and i don't know [TS]

00:34:52   i mean some people say he has a limited [TS]

00:34:53   palette but I just I love his drumming [TS]

00:34:55   so much wrong with limited palette [TS]

00:34:57   drumming well that's an electrical arc [TS]

00:34:59   in the rain [TS]

00:35:00   Oh My Christ you know what I'm going to [TS]

00:35:01   move this car for other way to put it [TS]

00:35:03   over here the music I listen to rain [TS]

00:35:05   when people when people get that that [TS]

00:35:07   bullshit about Ringo not being a great [TS]

00:35:09   drummer like go listen to rain [TS]

00:35:11   usually the people that don't like [TS]

00:35:12   Ringo's drumming are large Lars Ulrich [TS]

00:35:16   ask for incidentally megadeath fans [TS]

00:35:19   oh I like making death there's nothing [TS]

00:35:21   about megadeth to like nothing at all [TS]

00:35:24   nothing but I don't think he's kind of [TS]

00:35:26   interesting i do not think he's [TS]

00:35:28   interested I think maybe death of the [TS]

00:35:29   like the big four is like a little [TS]

00:35:31   overrated [TS]

00:35:32   I think they're gonna do I think they're [TS]

00:35:34   a little I think they're little campy [TS]

00:35:35   compared to the other stuff of the time [TS]

00:35:37   here's what maybe that is megadeth is a [TS]

00:35:39   jar of pre-mixed ketchup and mayonnaise [TS]

00:35:43   expression is stressing well but but not [TS]

00:35:46   mixed like master master day is not [TS]

00:35:49   mixed together like so that its kind of [TS]

00:35:51   light orange i'm talking about mixed [TS]

00:35:53   together like that peanut butter and [TS]

00:35:54   jelly that is kind of swirling epoxy [TS]

00:35:57   with the captives ok it's like that he's [TS]

00:35:59   like metal epoxy is terrible and you [TS]

00:36:02   know what he's really nice sound like [TS]

00:36:04   mayonnaise and ketchup for the not want [TS]

00:36:07   anyone talking about five years he has [TS]

00:36:10   been pretty money immediately into the [TS]

00:36:12   jeans [TS]

00:36:13   it's not really your official name for [TS]

00:36:14   our Lord and Savior the gene that [TS]

00:36:16   changes is that right because the sudden [TS]

00:36:18   all the sudden I understand what the [TS]

00:36:19   fuck you're talking so you're talking [TS]

00:36:20   about [TS]

00:36:21   yeah the jeans the chase okay [TS]

00:36:23   Jesus the thing is that G there has been [TS]

00:36:25   a process over the last 15 years [TS]

00:36:28   yeah of really making Jesus more and [TS]

00:36:31   more hip all the time you know like 50 [TS]

00:36:33   years ago [TS]

00:36:35   rock and roll music was was still like [TS]

00:36:38   like devil jiggaboo music I really [TS]

00:36:42   really miss the John a three-parter I [TS]

00:36:44   still want to talk about all of this now [TS]

00:36:46   rock and roll is like now it's Jesus [TS]

00:36:48   music certainly in seattle there's a lot [TS]

00:36:51   of Jesus what mr. Zant about this much [TS]

00:36:53   did we talk about it almost seems like a [TS]

00:36:56   nice guy so we're unconscious from lack [TS]

00:36:58   of oxygen looking up with him I'd like [TS]

00:37:00   to meet that guy i will put you guys [TS]

00:37:01   together no you're not calling him and [TS]

00:37:03   keep me up to me up with Carmen you [TS]

00:37:05   don't run girl name is no I i know well [TS]

00:37:08   I just myself when I introduced myself [TS]

00:37:10   what's up once a new pornographers show [TS]

00:37:12   like my first introduction to John Doe I [TS]

00:37:15   was a good rule how many how many sheets [TS]

00:37:18   to the wind can you be have your victim [TS]

00:37:20   huh [TS]

00:37:22   he see no he's a very ECI he strikes me [TS]

00:37:26   you know except he's getting crazy with [TS]

00:37:28   the hockey on the Twitter and he's a [TS]

00:37:31   very easy strings of you know not shy [TS]

00:37:33   but he's not like the runaround go out [TS]

00:37:36   and get out there kind of guy and I try [TS]

00:37:38   to be my shine in fact I would even go [TS]

00:37:39   that far [TS]

00:37:40   okay well I'm doing my best like don't [TS]

00:37:42   be creepy that I can do given that i am [TS]

00:37:45   the world's may be single and giantism [TS]

00:37:47   paano fan of all time and an old-school [TS]

00:37:50   from the first note new pornographers [TS]

00:37:51   fan and it went very very badly very [TS]

00:37:55   badly so I don't even want to talk about [TS]

00:37:57   that but well the thing about Carl [TS]

00:37:58   Newman in my experience I mean I was [TS]

00:38:00   always a I was always a massive fan she [TS]

00:38:03   likes upon oh how can you not like my [TS]

00:38:06   Sean ohh Sean legs upon you and is in [TS]

00:38:08   Photoshop zapatos amazing everything [TS]

00:38:10   there on Sub Pop Sean and and Eric [TS]

00:38:13   course and former bass player the long [TS]

00:38:14   winters are that they both introduced me [TS]

00:38:17   to the pond and former i'm writing that [TS]

00:38:19   town but in any case it's not know that [TS]

00:38:21   I didn't you know Carl was like I like a [TS]

00:38:25   hero and then after a show one time we [TS]

00:38:28   played it we played in New York [TS]

00:38:29   after-show nabil our drummer was like oh [TS]

00:38:33   yeah I was just hanging out with their [TS]

00:38:34   Carl Newman [TS]

00:38:35   sounds like he was a seal-a-meal used to [TS]

00:38:39   have a record store and now runs a label [TS]

00:38:41   and run the local feels like I was just [TS]

00:38:43   hanging out the problem i was like he [TS]

00:38:44   was here and he was like oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:46   he's a he's a long winters fan of the [TS]

00:38:49   show as we're hanging out afterwards and [TS]

00:38:52   I was like what [TS]

00:38:53   why didn't you come get me and he was [TS]

00:38:55   like oh I don't know just hanging out [TS]

00:38:57   together with him im gonna be and I [TS]

00:39:00   don't think about these things when had [TS]

00:39:01   some dinner even and I was like oh you [TS]

00:39:04   bastard so I knew that he liked the long [TS]

00:39:06   winters and that he had seen us play and [TS]

00:39:09   so the next time we were standing [TS]

00:39:10   together as we had done before kind of [TS]

00:39:12   standing backstage at a rock show [TS]

00:39:14   I kinda cycled over to him like hey [TS]

00:39:17   how's it going i'm john you know and [TS]

00:39:19   he's like oh you know and yet didn't [TS]

00:39:24   know you're in the pail [TS]

00:39:26   yeah i mean he knew who I was yesterday [TS]

00:39:28   as i say he has seen me play right but [TS]

00:39:31   there was that there was that feeling of [TS]

00:39:35   like so I so yummy [TS]

00:39:39   here we are right standing next to each [TS]

00:39:41   other now and we know each other and [TS]

00:39:44   know each other's music so it's okay for [TS]

00:39:48   me to say hey I really like that is [TS]

00:39:53   Sylvia hotels only did I really like [TS]

00:39:55   that that record you made and it [TS]

00:39:59   immediately went completely sideways [TS]

00:40:01   because he was just like oh thanks and [TS]

00:40:05   kind of like um and uh really so was it [TS]

00:40:10   awkward [TS]

00:40:11   well only because i made it awkward like [TS]

00:40:15   he wasn't being awkward he was being [TS]

00:40:16   normal [TS]

00:40:17   I was being all right you know what John [TS]

00:40:19   I retract my request i already feel bad [TS]

00:40:21   about asking i don't wanna freak that [TS]

00:40:22   guy out no but this is the thing so [TS]

00:40:24   overtime now we have seen each other [TS]

00:40:26   multiple times we communicate via email [TS]

00:40:29   we so to tweet back and forth and it [TS]

00:40:32   just is [TS]

00:40:33   it's just one of those things where you [TS]

00:40:35   don't you cannot you can't assign up to [TS]

00:40:38   him and and expect him to [TS]

00:40:40   um yeah he's not going to like he's like [TS]

00:40:44   a cat right get away from to come to you [TS]

00:40:46   yeah exactly he's not going to say oh my [TS]

00:40:48   god [TS]

00:40:49   hi a superfan you know car parts boom [TS]

00:40:52   because he's just he's you know he's shy [TS]

00:40:55   Shier he's on the gyre end of the [TS]

00:40:57   spectrum and but I find him [TS]

00:41:00   amazing songwriter and a super super [TS]

00:41:03   super get incredible songwriter any and [TS]

00:41:05   they have thumb if you can get [TS]

00:41:06   underneath you something I like to but [TS]

00:41:08   their version of that jimmy webb orange [TS]

00:41:10   arrow song flipside of BW of the [TS]

00:41:14   wraparound shades is date somebody out [TS]

00:41:17   there might be the same dude who linked [TS]

00:41:19   to all those up they did like a whole [TS]

00:41:23   session of watching web it up like [TS]

00:41:25   backrack David songs and you know and [TS]

00:41:28   they're not even doing that whole would [TS]

00:41:29   just get background David bacharach by [TS]

00:41:32   however backhaul David oh IC ok did you [TS]

00:41:35   think I meant was that you think it's in [TS]

00:41:37   the Jewish thing and I thought we were [TS]

00:41:39   doing a yoga thing ever and entities [TS]

00:41:43   walk on by will understand that joke not [TS]

00:41:49   a fan of the boxset bitch I got [TS]

00:41:52   back-to-back box set up the last one to [TS]

00:41:58   be anyway I cut you out how did how did [TS]

00:42:00   you just get reverb on your voice almost [TS]

00:42:02   70 you step back from the my content [TS]

00:42:04   chris wallace thing you know chamber [TS]

00:42:07   yeah no I know it's because i have great [TS]

00:42:08   mic skills unitronic that's why it's so [TS]

00:42:10   over driven when I do what happens if I [TS]

00:42:12   back off from my mic that do i get [TS]

00:42:14   reverb oh my car parts [TS]

00:42:19   I'm sorry I cut yeah I'm really sorry I [TS]

00:42:22   cut off the Skycam by the way I'll never [TS]

00:42:23   do that again I'm sorry okay so you got [TS]

00:42:25   a little shit for cutting off the skype [TS]

00:42:27   gym i saw on the internet people were [TS]

00:42:29   saying why did you cut off the scamp [TS]

00:42:30   with listeners were mad your girlfriend [TS]

00:42:32   the other 1pm so I cut you off before [TS]

00:42:35   Carl Newman you and was posting me man [TS]

00:42:39   god this is a star fucky 00 p Buck it [TS]

00:42:43   buck [TS]

00:42:44   yeah what about people oh I've heard I [TS]

00:42:47   heard a pic slide I heard don't make me [TS]

00:42:50   get that out what does car parts is in [TS]

00:42:52   is in a or c what sit in car parts and I [TS]

00:42:55   learned it all the way through one time [TS]

00:42:56   in d i think ii [TS]

00:42:59   that first half second of that song ahh [TS]

00:43:07   takes the win do the beginning of a [TS]

00:43:10   relationship with a news is never see it [TS]

00:43:15   coming you don't see it coming that's [TS]

00:43:16   the thing about pop music you never see [TS]

00:43:17   it coming and then poof there it is [TS]

00:43:19   let's see another some songs you can [TS]

00:43:20   never create this without it being [TS]

00:43:24   stupid but that song [TS]

00:43:27   Oh Mother of God [TS]

00:43:30   hello its me I there's some people songs [TS]

00:43:34   like this but where there's the little [TS]

00:43:36   like you know what I mean if you tried [TS]

00:43:37   to do this would be really stupid but [TS]

00:43:40   when you've got the little like before [TS]

00:43:41   the song thing you know you remember the [TS]

00:43:43   hidden track deal my band always do this [TS]

00:43:45   and was totally stupid [TS]

00:43:46   remember the nineties thing of always [TS]

00:43:47   having a hidden track course you have [TS]

00:43:49   never hidden it was so played out now [TS]

00:43:51   wait a minute now you would go with the [TS]

00:43:52   dog in your dad singing that's that is a [TS]

00:43:54   hidden track [TS]

00:43:55   well here's the problem with that truck [TS]

00:43:56   great song so we needed 10 songs for the [TS]

00:43:59   first record to fulfill 240 lat bar soup [TS]

00:44:03   yeah and i only had mine is the Josh [TS]

00:44:05   what's up these nine songs are gonna [TS]

00:44:08   work it doesn't kids need to ya mean a [TS]

00:44:11   cover song about a shack see and I had [TS]

00:44:13   nine songs and and it was plenty long [TS]

00:44:16   enough record it could have been nine [TS]

00:44:17   songs but we needed 10 song and this [TS]

00:44:20   this song a little grass shack was the [TS]

00:44:23   song my dad used to sing to me when I [TS]

00:44:24   was a little kid and he's saying it to [TS]

00:44:27   my whole life when we would 11 my dad [TS]

00:44:29   and I were driving in the car if we were [TS]

00:44:32   driving for very long one of us would [TS]

00:44:33   start singing and the other one would [TS]

00:44:34   take the harmony parts and we would sing [TS]

00:44:35   the little grass shack so I'm like well [TS]

00:44:38   I don't have a tenth song I mean I did [TS]

00:44:40   but I didn't have one that I i was ready [TS]

00:44:42   to record and and so we did little grass [TS]

00:44:46   shack well then it turns out i thought [TS]

00:44:48   that this song was just some song that [TS]

00:44:50   that's the slaves together i just really [TS]

00:44:54   is like pete seeger hurt nobody [TS]

00:44:56   it is it is a song but still was under [TS]

00:44:59   copyright is written by somebody and the [TS]

00:45:01   sheet music was still out there and and [TS]

00:45:03   it was owned by one of the big music [TS]

00:45:06   publishers you know [TS]

00:45:07   sony BMG year which you get asked apt [TS]

00:45:10   well no because we put it on the record [TS]

00:45:13   and just didn't mention that it was on [TS]

00:45:17   the record like there's not there's only [TS]

00:45:20   nine songs technically on that record [TS]

00:45:22   the tenth song isn't really hidden [TS]

00:45:24   because it's it's it's not tap to have [TS]

00:45:26   it be a truly hidden track on her on a [TS]

00:45:28   90 style pop record their needs to be 27 [TS]

00:45:33   minutes of silence [TS]

00:45:34   yeah what so it's comes on as a surprise [TS]

00:45:36   nah lets her back [TS]

00:45:43   what was the record it was there was the [TS]

00:45:45   one that had select 17 minutes before I [TS]

00:45:47   went into the it might have nothing [TS]

00:45:48   which wasn't Michelle shocked door or [TS]

00:45:51   maybe a indigo girls there was one of [TS]

00:45:53   those records that had a hidden track [TS]

00:45:54   John we're coming up with these [TS]

00:45:56   shell-shocked or George Winston like hum [TS]

00:45:59   i don't have stand over the girls how [TS]

00:46:01   are the leaders like us keep charity 87 [TS]

00:46:05   or something like that x and and and [TS]

00:46:07   we're all baked and taken out and [TS]

00:46:10   reducing the michelle shocked you don't [TS]

00:46:12   like you did [TS]

00:46:13   uh-huh like you did can provide around [TS]

00:46:15   the campfire an elastic Resnick me were [TS]

00:46:17   listening to you know he got a fast car [TS]

00:46:20   tracy chapman all that that was the time [TS]

00:46:23   when you could be a dude and listen to [TS]

00:46:25   you girls really fast car right now all [TS]

00:46:28   sides [TS]

00:46:29   to say having to see the doctor of this [TS]

00:46:40   in identity that's a total abuse of the [TS]

00:46:43   DC source for I should be the fucking [TS]

00:46:45   mayor of DC source for that that music [TS]

00:46:50   really you were high and sleeping in a [TS]

00:46:51   car in Alaska and listening to listening [TS]

00:46:53   to the the lesbian song about the car i [TS]

00:46:56   was high and sleeping with a girl who [TS]

00:46:58   packed the end this was before girls [TS]

00:47:00   like turning into Mickey Rooney route [TS]

00:47:04   before girls relentlessly shaved all the [TS]

00:47:06   hair off of themselves you go [TS]

00:47:09   this is when girls were like you know [TS]

00:47:10   natural girls and they do they were like [TS]

00:47:13   boys basically but with girl part yeah I [TS]

00:47:15   got a Japanese shrub situation [TS]

00:47:17   yeah and we would you know you'd sleep [TS]

00:47:18   with each other and listen to lesbian [TS]

00:47:20   guitar music hey Dad the eighties [TS]

00:47:22   anywhere and so we fall asleep or we're [TS]

00:47:25   not a hundred percent of sleep or just [TS]

00:47:27   like ninety-eight percent of sleep and [TS]

00:47:30   baked that the being baked was taking [TS]

00:47:32   care of the last 2% of awakeness who and [TS]

00:47:35   then this this record with the 17 [TS]

00:47:38   minutes of silence like another song [TS]

00:47:40   comes on I don't think it was Michelle [TS]

00:47:42   shot something up another song comes on [TS]

00:47:44   we both like jump up out of bed because [TS]

00:47:47   it was you know it's kind of cranked and [TS]

00:47:49   and last thing we were expecting jump [TS]

00:47:52   about a bit like into into combat pose [TS]

00:47:54   while you're high [TS]

00:47:56   yeah just like haha and then it turned [TS]

00:47:59   out it was it was a secret trackpad to [TS]

00:48:02   the songs might be baked and going to [TS]

00:48:03   sleep in college for me i don't i think [TS]

00:48:06   it was i want to say i don't know by one [TS]

00:48:09   of the one of the replacement songs i'm [TS]

00:48:11   pleased to me but it's a song where you [TS]

00:48:12   hear this like it here this like my [TS]

00:48:16   coming out of like stereo right and look [TS]

00:48:17   and there's a church song it does the [TS]

00:48:20   same thing even more so to get almost [TS]

00:48:22   with you it's but it-it-it the things i [TS]

00:48:25   listen to record every night is you [TS]

00:48:27   never go to sleep records [TS]

00:48:30   well I now that's not how you listen to [TS]

00:48:31   music harlem yeah I was probably was [TS]

00:48:34   that was so so was the lady here the [TS]

00:48:35   head you listening to [TS]

00:48:37   yeah yeah I went through a phase where [TS]

00:48:38   my roommate was having sex with his [TS]

00:48:41   girlfriend really loud [TS]

00:48:42   and I had to put on music to drown them [TS]

00:48:46   out and in that case might go to sleep [TS]

00:48:48   record was Lovelace by so my bloody [TS]

00:48:52   Valentine's to catch I would just crank [TS]

00:48:57   that LOL you're fighting that I was [TS]

00:48:59   doing well I wasn't fighting back until [TS]

00:49:02   he climbed out of his loft which was you [TS]

00:49:06   know we lived in a huge warehouse and [TS]

00:49:09   there were no walls so he was at the [TS]

00:49:11   other end of this house so this is sick [TS]

00:49:14   she sound that going around your sound [TS]

00:49:16   echoing around yeah it was terrible we [TS]

00:49:17   were just we were competing over hate [TS]

00:49:19   loud sex we were we were creating you're [TS]

00:49:22   creating like a sound apocalypse 20 feet [TS]

00:49:25   above the ground and 30 feet from either [TS]

00:49:28   of us there was this place where the [TS]

00:49:29   sound meshed but he would climb down you [TS]

00:49:32   could hear him coming down the ladder [TS]

00:49:33   and walk over and turned down my bloody [TS]

00:49:36   valentine because it was it was [TS]

00:49:39   interfering with like the lovemaking he [TS]

00:49:41   was trying to do [TS]

00:49:42   ironically enough when you sleep and [TS]

00:49:44   really really laughs and then he's got [TS]

00:49:46   back up the ladder conquering and I'd [TS]

00:49:48   wait until he was all the way up the [TS]

00:49:49   ladder and back in bed and you could [TS]

00:49:51   hear them start giggling canoodling and [TS]

00:49:54   all that shit things to do and then i [TS]

00:49:55   would get up and comfort out to the [TS]

00:49:57   stereo and crank it all the way back up [TS]

00:50:01   again and then go back to my little bed [TS]

00:50:02   and he come down the stairs and he would [TS]

00:50:04   never come over come all the way around [TS]

00:50:06   to my better be like fuck you man you [TS]

00:50:09   know you just turn the stereo down again [TS]

00:50:11   and then I had some I had like a Kip [TS]

00:50:14   Winger record some great i'm just a tip [TS]

00:50:17   i found on the street that I would that [TS]

00:50:19   was my like nuclear option I would put [TS]

00:50:22   that in at that [TS]

00:50:23   what is that this is the shaggs maybe [TS]

00:50:25   like the first underground good i had on [TS]

00:50:27   the head an extra you're saying a pretty [TS]

00:50:29   nice girl i think she had the guy one of [TS]

00:50:30   those little like four-day crushes on [TS]

00:50:33   not to get on somebody in college she [TS]

00:50:34   had like me a little bit and she we both [TS]

00:50:37   really like is like that reminds me [TS]

00:50:39   Jim Carrey mm I don't like Jim Carrey [TS]

00:50:42   then I look like how did you look like [TS]

00:50:44   the guy from princess bride [TS]

00:50:47   oh yeah i'll combine with Michael Palin [TS]

00:50:49   like early Dave pirner and somebody with [TS]

00:50:52   a restraining order [TS]

00:50:53   they have her give her the cartoon song [TS]

00:50:55   that used to be really good for the [TS]

00:50:56   everybody decided everything ready in [TS]

00:50:58   Minnesota eventually they start out [TS]

00:51:00   wanting to selling hüsker dü and the [TS]

00:51:02   end up fucking up sounding like they're [TS]

00:51:03   the bad not bad but the later [TS]

00:51:05   replacements you know that [TS]

00:51:07   yeah but look at the look at the the [TS]

00:51:09   heroine guy with their with an [TS]

00:51:10   underwriter like he started out this the [TS]

00:51:12   you using the first you Lemonheads [TS]

00:51:13   records their day I know from history do [TS]

00:51:16   but that that clam dip another device [TS]

00:51:18   that's a great price great record oh [TS]

00:51:20   yeah and you know the crossover one that [TS]

00:51:21   at Stacy and produced this is literally [TS]

00:51:23   the most boring podcast has ever been [TS]

00:51:24   done except for maybe two people and [TS]

00:51:27   it's musicians don't listen to us but [TS]

00:51:30   the one now hang time and i'll put the [TS]

00:51:33   video for cartoon it's got there there [TS]

00:51:34   are there are three songs i started a [TS]

00:51:37   band in college to play three songs to [TS]

00:51:39   play all summer girls by big star [TS]

00:51:41   cartoon yeah by soul asylum and that's [TS]

00:51:45   when I reach for my revolver by mission [TS]

00:51:46   of burma that's the three songs that [TS]

00:51:48   made me want to start my first band once [TS]

00:51:50   you play those three songs why did you [TS]

00:51:52   keep why did you guys keep playing [TS]

00:51:54   together [TS]

00:51:54   I know what we were using your songs now [TS]

00:51:57   but seriously what we get to that what [TS]

00:51:59   we did to couldn't just tell you by todd [TS]

00:52:01   rundgren I should be in a Turkish [TS]

00:52:03   fucking prison for the rest of my life [TS]

00:52:04   for many reasons again also don't I was [TS]

00:52:08   personally Keller to scott miller i was [TS]

00:52:10   sitting in a cafe in like 1991 and [TS]

00:52:13   that's so much follow john and i was [TS]

00:52:15   looking I i felt like i was looking good [TS]

00:52:17   that day I comb my hair and I had on a [TS]

00:52:20   sweater or something I was sitting here [TS]

00:52:22   drinking coffee and this was i was still [TS]

00:52:24   at the age where is really trying to [TS]

00:52:26   figure out I knew that guys picked up [TS]

00:52:30   girls [TS]

00:52:31   I understood that this happened right it [TS]

00:52:34   wasn't like my experience of dating [TS]

00:52:36   girls was that we had a class together [TS]

00:52:38   and she sat next to me in the class and [TS]

00:52:40   then pretty soon we we we were going out [TS]

00:52:43   but I knew that there are right there is [TS]

00:52:46   a process but she knew there are people [TS]

00:52:47   that like I do their guys that walked up [TS]

00:52:49   to girls in bars and cafes and then they [TS]

00:52:52   were like 20 minutes later they were [TS]

00:52:54   ripping each others clothes off back in [TS]

00:52:56   one of their little shitty apartments [TS]

00:52:58   and I was like I will i would like to be [TS]

00:52:59   one of those guys i would like to try [TS]

00:53:01   this out [TS]

00:53:02   and so I was sitting in the cafe was [TS]

00:53:03   drinking coffee and there's this girl [TS]

00:53:05   sitting hadn't had a neighboring table [TS]

00:53:08   and all she's she's she's really pretty [TS]

00:53:12   she's got she's wearing glasses since [TS]

00:53:14   dark curly hair [TS]

00:53:16   she's also may be wearing a sweater with [TS]

00:53:18   honors for juices and that right [TS]

00:53:20   I like Jewish girls and she was Jewish [TS]

00:53:23   enough that it but you called Jewesses [TS]

00:53:25   is that I don't use Jewess now know hehe [TS]

00:53:31   eeprom in Hebrew mine is remind ya right [TS]

00:53:35   and see what's up to her so I so I'm [TS]

00:53:39   like and this was very hard for me to do [TS]

00:53:41   to like just cold call somebody [TS]

00:53:44   hi good cold calling the Jewish i'd like [TS]

00:53:47   i'd like to talk to you about your [TS]

00:53:49   insurance or whatever and I you know I [TS]

00:53:51   kind of like lean over and say that she [TS]

00:53:54   might have had headphones on and my [TS]

00:53:56   opening game but might have been ashamed [TS]

00:53:59   to say what are you listening to God [TS]

00:54:02   Almighty was that can I sniff your [TS]

00:54:04   panties it was just this bad you know [TS]

00:54:06   and she responds positively like oh hi [TS]

00:54:11   you know I'm listening to solo style [TS]

00:54:13   haha [TS]

00:54:14   and when is for uses 91 okay and I said [TS]

00:54:20   oh soul asylum [TS]

00:54:22   I know about soul asylum and started to [TS]

00:54:25   talk to her about soul asylum and we you [TS]

00:54:28   know what I Cannock school my chair over [TS]

00:54:31   and pretty soon i'm sitting at her table [TS]

00:54:32   and we're talking and I am so excited [TS]

00:54:37   that this girl is like receptive to my [TS]

00:54:40   to my you know my entree that i'm just [TS]

00:54:49   i'm giving her everything right I'm [TS]

00:54:51   giving her the shotgun blast like of [TS]

00:54:53   everything I know and I think I start to [TS]

00:54:57   perspire because I'm like am I doing [TS]

00:55:00   this right is this working [TS]

00:55:01   yeah our do you like me edge should [TS]

00:55:04   should we go [TS]

00:55:07   are you married would you like to be [TS]

00:55:09   married and after about 20 minutes [TS]

00:55:13   she said this is something I this is [TS]

00:55:16   something I still I i still am ashamed [TS]

00:55:19   she she starts putting her books in her [TS]

00:55:22   bag and she leans in kind of clothes and [TS]

00:55:27   with a kind of rye like almost ani [TS]

00:55:30   difranco look on her face she says I I [TS]

00:55:37   think you're just I think you're just [TS]

00:55:38   trying to our and she put her stuff in [TS]

00:55:44   her bag and like i said bye and like [TS]

00:55:48   walks out you're so close you are so [TS]

00:55:50   you're on the wire between almost the [TS]

00:55:52   other side [TS]

00:55:53   i SAT there like absolutely certain [TS]

00:55:56   first of all in this crowded cafe there [TS]

00:55:58   were you know 90 people in this place [TS]

00:56:00   espresso machines going music playing I [TS]

00:56:03   was certain that everyone in the room [TS]

00:56:04   had heard it had heard the line like as [TS]

00:56:07   if it had gone out over the public [TS]

00:56:09   address system and and and of course [TS]

00:56:13   realized bathed in shame that i had been [TS]

00:56:15   trying way too hard and about the same [TS]

00:56:19   times asking myself I thought that [TS]

00:56:22   trying was about the trial was what you [TS]

00:56:25   wanted her with a that's what people was [TS]

00:56:27   like that you're trying i don't and i [TS]

00:56:30   immediately I think stop trying and [TS]

00:56:33   didn't try again for 14 years old you [TS]

00:56:37   get in the interim [TS]

00:56:38   well smoke pot for the first four and [TS]

00:56:43   then for the next ten i just set their [TS]

00:56:46   sneering sat in the corner sneering and [TS]

00:56:49   checking checking the closet door every [TS]

00:56:52   every minute have to make sure that knob [TS]

00:56:54   is still locked mr. is to wash of [TS]

00:56:56   occasionally changing guitar strings and [TS]

00:56:59   appearing in court sneer sneer people [TS]

00:57:02   come over and say hi is this seat taken [TS]

00:57:04   and go you know what fuck soul asylum [TS]

00:57:06   you okay [TS]

00:57:08   what you doing horse you rode in on [TS]

00:57:12   and then maybe like oh good that's all [TS]

00:57:15   sound record what fuck you and the horse [TS]

00:57:18   you rode his only hit the horse there in [TS]

00:57:19   on pretty close to it yeah [TS]

00:57:21   huh it's it's a tragic tale one of many [TS]

00:57:25   that's an awesome unless I hate those [TS]

00:57:26   stories I yeah yeah you know i wish i [TS]

00:57:29   wish you know it's one such a porcupine [TS]

00:57:32   one of my one of my room on my December [TS]

00:57:34   resolutions to stop talking about what [TS]

00:57:35   I've learned big because it's nobody [TS]

00:57:37   fucking cares you know but you know [TS]

00:57:40   it'sit's this is the problem John this [TS]

00:57:41   is the false dilemma because on the one [TS]

00:57:43   hand every douchebag guy on the one hand [TS]

00:57:45   thanks like me you start out with a very [TS]

00:57:48   earnest and I think nice thing which is [TS]

00:57:50   like I tell girls that they're nice and [TS]

00:57:53   i like them they will like me which in [TS]

00:57:55   retrospect is incredibly creepy a total [TS]

00:57:57   turn off their horses on the other end [TS]

00:57:58   you get the fucking you know seduction [TS]

00:58:00   community dickheads [TS]

00:58:02   yeah which is you know which is like you [TS]

00:58:04   know I think it's time would say it's [TS]

00:58:06   date-rape with a persuasive theory you [TS]

00:58:07   know it's like a lot of big big house [TS]

00:58:10   and nose rooms [TS]

00:58:11   you said the r-word i know we we we've [TS]

00:58:16   been taken to task but one on the on [TS]

00:58:19   some internet comment pages [TS]

00:58:22   yeah for light of rape [TS]

00:58:25   oh I'm sorry I'm sorry well no no in [TS]

00:58:28   this case i'm not i'm certainly not when [TS]

00:58:29   I say I ok but my position is that we [TS]

00:58:33   have never made light of rape [TS]

00:58:34   no I'm very upset about this very upset [TS]

00:58:38   about this because you because we were [TS]

00:58:39   our podcast was posted on metafilter yes [TS]

00:58:42   we know I saw the comments on a comment [TS]

00:58:44   was like I can't listen to this even [TS]

00:58:46   though I love both these guys and I [TS]

00:58:47   think it's really funny because they [TS]

00:58:48   made a joke about rape ya know I made a [TS]

00:58:51   joke about rape jokes which is entirely [TS]

00:58:52   different matter [TS]

00:58:53   so matters like you understand we were [TS]

00:58:55   making a joke about rape he didn't [TS]

00:58:57   respond to John no cackling responding [TS]

00:59:00   know i know i know enough i know enough [TS]

00:59:02   not to respond i just don't know enough [TS]

00:59:03   not to read the things is your problem [TS]

00:59:05   these team [TS]

00:59:06   I you know I was your anything honesty I [TS]

00:59:08   got some coffee and unfortunately my [TS]

00:59:11   refrigerator at the government has some [TS]

00:59:12   meat going bad [TS]

00:59:13   we talked about that I i was urinating [TS]

00:59:15   occurred to me that I would never [TS]

00:59:17   you're John Roderick right you know what [TS]

00:59:19   I mean on the I can't think of a [TS]

00:59:22   sidekick but you know I'm not [TS]

00:59:25   is it really that gay yeah I don't know [TS]

00:59:28   not robbing a Cato know but see that's [TS]

00:59:32   the problem can you gonna ping pong [TS]

00:59:33   again you can't do that i was urinating [TS]

00:59:35   and occurred to me that I would never [TS]

00:59:37   understand i will do nothing to impinge [TS]

00:59:39   on what you have to share with people on [TS]

00:59:40   how you help people but if I were going [TS]

00:59:42   to state rules and I'm not and I hate [TS]

00:59:44   talking about the thing i'm doing wrong [TS]

00:59:45   doing it i would say i would say no [TS]

00:59:46   computers [TS]

00:59:47   I no politics no addressing the audience [TS]

00:59:50   and no discussing people's response but [TS]

00:59:52   not broken all of those which is [TS]

00:59:54   seriously ping pong in a lot of ways on [TS]

00:59:56   this podcast we have broken all the [TS]

00:59:58   Masons rules and then once we [TS]

00:59:58   Masons rules and then once we [TS]

01:00:00   once they want to do it again an hour [TS]

01:00:01   later and now it's not a serious role [TS]

01:00:03   that I've got I doubt this took me a [TS]

01:00:05   long time to learn i'm sorry i was not [TS]

01:00:06   i'm talking about how creepy i think i'm [TS]

01:00:09   not encouraging Cape i'm encouraging [TS]

01:00:11   that we say what these fucking seduction [TS]

01:00:14   community douche bags are well the thing [TS]

01:00:16   about seduction is that it is in [TS]

01:00:18   position in the community it's not [TS]

01:00:19   seduction to community it's more about [TS]

01:00:21   the forum the seduction it's more about [TS]

01:00:23   the you know leveling up [TS]

01:00:25   yeah yeah anyway let's not get into that [TS]

01:00:27   but here's my rule my room after year [TS]

01:00:29   and again one of my rules is this [TS]

01:00:32   be careful where you met that person [TS]

01:00:34   this is going through my head the entire [TS]

01:00:37   time I was thinking about the nose [TS]

01:00:38   before after never mind that you are you [TS]

01:00:40   purchase this was during nevermind [TS]

01:00:44   this is like fall it was simultaneous [TS]

01:00:46   sweater weather was a sweater weather [TS]

01:00:48   sweater weather so we're talking about [TS]

01:00:49   nevermind and 10 by program has been [TS]

01:00:52   released and wagon desk they have not [TS]

01:00:54   swept the nation yet how was that man [TS]

01:00:58   that lasts like the pregnant moment [TS]

01:01:00   after that summer like I just didn't [TS]

01:01:04   know where to turn there are so many [TS]

01:01:04   records i loved oh my god that was an [TS]

01:01:06   amazing time that wasn't you know [TS]

01:01:07   there's a golden age of indie rock maybe [TS]

01:01:09   not for the kind of shit you listen to [TS]

01:01:10   but for me I think of it like is this [TS]

01:01:12   mad or merge era but there is this [TS]

01:01:14   period from about i want to say pavement [TS]

01:01:17   was your very heavy yeah but for me too [TS]

01:01:19   but also like god this is so fucking [TS]

01:01:21   boring [TS]

01:01:21   it's really boring wonder we start [TS]

01:01:23   talking what we're like nobody cares [TS]

01:01:24   about music John everything record store [TS]

01:01:26   people there are even record stores [TS]

01:01:28   running horse people want to talk about [TS]

01:01:29   facebook and vampire shows here's my [TS]

01:01:32   rule is not you like guided by voices we [TS]

01:01:34   couldn't we could have just said that I [TS]

01:01:36   don't know why this is such a problem [TS]

01:01:37   for you to like sliding out of voices I [TS]

01:01:39   know you're not a fan [TS]

01:01:40   did you watch the video to watch the [TS]

01:01:41   video to watch the video i watched the [TS]

01:01:43   vid what you think it's fine but stick [TS]

01:01:46   of his expression it's fine okay little [TS]

01:01:51   shack I'm gonna find out the proven to [TS]

01:01:53   that when we land I give up [TS]

01:01:55   Amy and I see not any man i'm gonna keep [TS]

01:01:58   a distance I know she'll never like [TS]

01:01:59   really hoping this thing we've learned i [TS]

01:02:01   would strike up a kind of friendship see [TS]

01:02:03   that one up for me that's a level-two I [TS]

01:02:05   mean to me that would be hard frenching [TS]

01:02:07   and I'd stop it there because that's [TS]

01:02:08   that's getting John you know what I [TS]

01:02:10   don't encourage your ping-pong [TS]

01:02:11   doc here's the rule the rule is be [TS]

01:02:13   careful where you met somebody yeah okay [TS]

01:02:15   don't explain that because I don't like [TS]

01:02:17   the sound ok well there's that there i [TS]

01:02:19   think there's there's once again you [TS]

01:02:21   know me you know there's two kinds of [TS]

01:02:23   people and so there's two parts to this [TS]

01:02:28   right now right you inspire people to [TS]

01:02:30   parts ok and you know the stories were [TS]

01:02:32   you know the story of how i met my lady [TS]

01:02:33   right you know the story you were in [TS]

01:02:36   line at a pharmacy getting your [TS]

01:02:38   description field getting some fashion [TS]

01:02:40   contact lens holders head [TS]

01:02:42   yeah i was there i wrote about myself a [TS]

01:02:45   link to this for our for our anniversary [TS]

01:02:46   right about this but I wear to think of [TS]

01:02:50   fellow show and so I remember this whole [TS]

01:02:52   story your actual yeah and-and-and we [TS]

01:02:56   were introduced by a mutual friend who [TS]

01:02:58   to gas lighted desolate gas like i was [TS]

01:03:01   saying saying to my wife [TS]

01:03:03   oh you gotta meet this guy he really [TS]

01:03:04   wants to meet usual and you saying to me [TS]

01:03:06   you got to meet my friend she's really [TS]

01:03:08   interested in money for like that is to [TS]

01:03:09   do this to me all the time with the [TS]

01:03:11   girls the girls know your cousin really [TS]

01:03:14   wants to play on your new record i'd say [TS]

01:03:18   oh alright and then and then I'd call [TS]

01:03:21   her up and be like sorry I never asked [TS]

01:03:23   John because I know I'm not I i know [TS]

01:03:25   that i know i know that i'm no I Scott [TS]

01:03:27   McCoy but I'm just saying if you ever [TS]

01:03:29   want me to do nothing in a studio i [TS]

01:03:31   would love to be there isn't that [TS]

01:03:32   awkward though bring the bring up the [TS]

01:03:34   track us with some more Merlin in there [TS]

01:03:36   let me out like Jim Carrey me just one [TS]

01:03:40   here knows I have allergies right now [TS]

01:03:43   really bad i tried taking some herbs for [TS]

01:03:44   it maybe nauseated [TS]

01:03:47   where have I must telephone you come [TS]

01:03:49   back to my mind when you're done with [TS]

01:03:50   the to come back don't talk about my [TS]

01:03:52   rule i wanna talk about mandolins don't [TS]

01:03:54   know what's going on the rules because [TS]

01:03:55   the rules when I got okay listen we're [TS]

01:03:56   running running along here I've got [TS]

01:03:58   mandolins I've got my rule I've got your [TS]

01:04:00   candles planet telex and scott miller ok [TS]

01:04:04   ok here's my rule [TS]

01:04:06   you got to be careful where you met him [TS]

01:04:08   ok then be careful where you met someone [TS]

01:04:10   my wife this is should never have worked [TS]

01:04:11   out i'm sorry about my allergies are not [TS]

01:04:13   actually cooked up [TS]

01:04:14   I don't you how did how is that possible [TS]

01:04:16   that you meet somebody that you that [TS]

01:04:17   you're with you this lesson this is the [TS]

01:04:19   exception that proves the rule whatever [TS]

01:04:21   the fuck that means i stopped understand [TS]

01:04:22   that means we're in a bar [TS]

01:04:24   uh what we've been drinking this is her [TS]

01:04:27   one at the time her favorite band [TS]

01:04:28   thinking fellers and I we made out [TS]

01:04:34   we grabbed your started making out in a [TS]

01:04:36   bar which I found the show [TS]

01:04:38   yes which I did once ever wow she got my [TS]

01:04:41   back we went home three weeks later she [TS]

01:04:43   moved in I got the kid or whatever so [TS]

01:04:46   this is totally breaks the rule in a lot [TS]

01:04:48   of ways in an amazing night I not as big [TS]

01:04:50   a hickey fellers panel like the turtle [TS]

01:04:52   song but i'm not into it she is right in [TS]

01:04:56   front of the tortoise flu you see now [TS]

01:04:58   that have been opposed to show it [TS]

01:04:59   wouldn't worked out because ken [TS]

01:05:01   stringfellow would've taken her back to [TS]

01:05:03   his coffin [TS]

01:05:04   yeah remember that let's complete talk [TS]

01:05:05   tonight about that night we met this [TS]

01:05:06   because you remember can insisted on [TS]

01:05:08   driving in the car with my wife while i [TS]

01:05:10   drive with you in the van [TS]

01:05:12   absolutely and I was thinking the whole [TS]

01:05:13   time I hope he doesn't put spiders in [TS]

01:05:15   her haha [TS]

01:05:18   [Music] [TS]

01:05:20   fine to stop right there [TS]

01:05:23   [Music] [TS]