Ep. 06: "String Art Owls, Copper Pipe, and Bono's Boss"
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other commercials now
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no we mean like email and like like
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standard like TV commercials or like
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yeah sometime maybe even fake commercial
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commercial like me like thank our ok
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this this episode brought to you by
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Merlin salve I know I I haven't thought
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I haven't sought sponsorship it's not
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that I would you know turn the money
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away but i will not my impression of how
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you web people made your money
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yeah was that you made something and
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then you sold advertising space all
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around it
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yeah until the thing itself was the size
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of a can of tuna virtually obscured and
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then there was advertising you know
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flashing at you and offer you click here
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and you get a million dollars yet here
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and your dick will be twice as big
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yes isn't that what so how why should
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the show be any different
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that first of all the answer question
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that is a that is a very popular model
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for making money on the web and it's one
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that was one that I've employed some
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people go with subscription models
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that's where you know you a certain
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amount of money and you get a certain
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amount of stuff but that doesn't really
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work nobody subscribe to my loving the
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web do that
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yes some people do i think one problem
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is that people get you know there's a
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phenomenon that happens on the web that
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you can see sometimes in things like
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reviews for software where if people try
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to if you read reviews of software
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alright alright already been around much
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smaller now we're talking
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and the thing is if you charge for
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anything you know
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so a you know like if somebody was dead
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take out can we get some quiet on the
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set here you guys if you want to talk to
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fuck off somewhere thanks appreciate it
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wow you're not going to take charge of
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yeah filmmaker I'm gonna have to do
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something the thing is I what I all
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these hippies doing in the yard anyway
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I've got out you have some pot to smoke
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I've got you should load up a hacky sack
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I've got that what they call I the tiger
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in the business
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yeah so i can zoom right in and the
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distractions from me or just oh I see
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what you're saying yeah you know I don't
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I because i'm a rock musician of course
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the drugs have given me a really short
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attention span and I hear hear
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not just voices
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in the yard but voices all around really
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accidentally it's hard for me to
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concentrate
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mhm but anyway you were saying about how
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you make money
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yeah i'm curious about this oh no way we
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were talking about advertising on your
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yeah there's no advertising but you're
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right people of be buying buying ads
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they also will do I think of more
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conventional less idiotic way to do it
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is with which we call sponsorship so I'm
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i turned the camera and say I'm I'm you
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know sponsored by Roderick south for all
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of your of burning needs and then they
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call that a DJ it's not film me a call
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that a DJ read okay it goes back to the
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days of radio it's Bobby I like maalox
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right or what has brought to you by
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Carl's jr. that's my girls doing very
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precisely and i think that's that's the
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way that some people are doing it you
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know it's a that that's that's the
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internet and how people are but you're
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not doing that either no not so right
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now this is just literally losing money
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while i'm talking this is just like
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downloading somebody's music for free
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you're offering you're putting your
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record on the internet for free
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yeah hoping that it generates traffic to
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some place that makes you money
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I just want people to like me and have
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affection for me and I'm willing to
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subsidize whatever it takes right well
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we're in the same business really you
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feel like you put it out there and and
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you you have a big developer affection
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for you huh yeah and that that affection
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will one day translate into money
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yeah is that am i right but to possibly
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see what you do this you do this I guess
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we both do something like this for a
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living I guess he is kind of my living
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you know your urine and different boat
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than you were a few years ago but the
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thing is when you're a musician a lot of
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people who work jobs in the straight
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world actually people of all stripes are
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constantly trying to tell you how much
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your job itself is its own reward
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like oh wow you know touring is so great
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you're so lucky and money has to just be
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like so far down the list of of your
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motivations because you get to travel
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you get to you know play your music for
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people and and it's it's I'm super
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grateful that people spend so much time
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telling me all the reasons why i should
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be glad that I'm not getting paid for
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the various things in the best people
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that are of course the promoters for the
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show or you know the people that run
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your understand how how valuable the
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publicity is yeah they understand how
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valuable it is that you be convinced
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that the three free beers they put in
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your dressing room are adequate
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compensation there you having driven
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eight hours to play their logic their
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logic is often fractal though right
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because their logic their logic is it or
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at least recursive it so it's really you
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know you're using a lot of words I don't
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worry for you to be able to come out
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here and play the the fallen oak
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festival this year I can't even tell you
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how many people we couldn't get on the
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building's you do you understand how
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much press is gonna be here for the
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fallen oak festival that's right you go
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well you know I had a fucking pack of
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van and drive here and pay my band and
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they go but you know this is this a
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publicity alone this is a huge
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opportunity and you but to play the ass
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polyp of benefit yeah because it's good
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because I a lot of going to be a lot of
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exposure and to a demographic that a lot
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of people don't get their music exposed
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to set your table with a spot for people
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to love them so you've got really that
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the beauty then is it's a very very
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rarefied vertical market you're moving
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into with the polyp crowd
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yeah yeah but see but didn't know that's
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that's what's funny though is that it's
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very seldom you think what this is one
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thing you encounter on the web and in
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the in the music business and is by the
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way it is music business that's not show
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friends let's show pretty special about
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the business is that about credit
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Johnson now because whenever i quote him
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without crediting him yeah he creates a
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letter he regularly because he doesn't
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send it he writes to the to the tune of
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heaven knows i'm miserable now this
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Smith I just like to point out that my
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chair is fully six inches lower than
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Merlin so if it seems like with the
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stand I don't play stupid John I don't
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make sure the audio but you know you
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know you know how this works
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yeah I know I know yeah this is my house
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word let's switch for a minute just know
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i like to see no you want so the kids
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can see the difference in hell if we see
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it you'll have to zoom out
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yeah to he's probably having trouble
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keeping our heads and frame as it is
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headspace it's had a lot of cough
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medicine earlier today but it but this
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this happens on with web stuff that
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happens with music stuff and God knows
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what happens with film stuff because we
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have some friends who do film stuff and
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I it's there are so many people who work
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lying she even be just vaguely
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associated with certain industries that
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they'll give up a lot a lot of times you
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called an internship or what happened
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and people higher up the food chain
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really exploit that in every one of the
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entertainment businesses like the
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perceived glamour is a is a major form
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of pay for people who are breaking into
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any industry like oh man you know you're
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going to meet Bono's personal assistants
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sister tonight maybe she's on the list
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yeah she might not come but you may get
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the driver to the US here is a shame
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nothing wrong with that and and and and
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and it's great because a whole I mean
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that is how people get into the business
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initially but after you've been doing
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anything for a while you're like yeah
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yeah great Bono's personal assistants
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what I don't you know like I've got not
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not just bills to pay but i have like a
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certain amount of mean you know me I
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have it I have a little bit of a dignity
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problem in that I might have a little
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too much dignity or i might perceive
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that boil it down to a single dignity
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problem is when a constellation of
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dignity issues i have dignity issues a
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compilation of them but one of them is
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one of one of the things that I get my
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backup about is when you know when
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people are telling me why I should be
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satisfied with less than they would give
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someone else because of the because of
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the perceived intangible benefits of my
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job which is yeah screwing teenagers
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blow not having to work sleeping all day
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right i mean these are real benefits
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yeah i was very wrong their purpose its
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of the of your vertical mark
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right but when somebody said wanted
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someone somebody sitting in a back room
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of a club with a cigar in their mouth
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and accounting hundred-dollar bills and
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telling me that that that the the
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teenage girl that I'm about to go shag
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in the van is part of my pay for the
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i jacked yeah we want the Nash talk but
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here's here's the thing is their days
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yeah I'm sorry I didn't you know you
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can't be careful if you get to go back
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i'm talking right into the camera
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yeah that's as good generally threaten
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people because I want people to like me
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the the one part of that but i think is
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always so interesting is the the
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unstated and Status exchanges that go on
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and the power exchange stuff that goes
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on where for a lot of those interests or
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for that let's say bottom of the bill
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band was watching the guy peel off the
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hundreds they understand that they're
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not in a position to say hey wait a
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minute i need to escalate this and we
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need to talk a little bit about like
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what's actually going on here no you
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know what you're right and one thing I
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think is a probably your credit is is
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your i have I can't even tell you how
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many times you seem to really seemed to
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really relish the opportunity to go talk
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to the guy with the hundred-dollar bills
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and fucking set him straight about
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exactly how it's going to work and it's
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fun to watch but i think a lot of people
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are happy to just infer that the part of
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the manager but they're part of this
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glamour industry and happy that you know
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what I'm just glad to be playing at at
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the doo-dah bar tonight it's just on a
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pay you know it's right in seattle jim
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just that you pay for you play for free
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that money's going somewhere
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also in in rock I don't know whether
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it's that it attracts uh
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not meet people but people who are
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afraid of appearing aggressive afraid of
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authority there waiting for somebody to
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to to say now you have the authority to
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stand up for yourself and until that
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point you just have to behave yourself
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but that will come externally it's not
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something that they're gonna bring to
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the situation they're never going to
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coronation that they're waiting for I
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think right there waiting to be there
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waiting to for there for there were blog
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just genuflected them and give them that
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that that they earn respect by virtue of
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the of the the thing they produce rather
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than commanding respect by some by some
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other method by some by just by just
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embodying somebody who who is who isn't
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the challenges I mean obviously I like I
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in some in some circles I have a
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reputation of being I don't know how you
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would say an abrasive for you
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yeah arrogant maybe mm whoo
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miss missed opportunity for people to to
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learn from you to learn what all all
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that i have the TV you know I I feel I
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feel like what what what often gets
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called arrogance or abrasiveness on my
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yeah is really like in any other
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business when a man does its assertive
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right if I if I was a contractor like
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that behavior would be necessary to get
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the job done right you've got guys
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coming in late you've got guys coming in
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hungover you gotta get the frame-up you
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gotta get the concrete board and you
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have to you know you have to bust some
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heads and you also have to say hey
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you're shortchanging me on copper pipe
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yeah and because everybody's trying to
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shortchange everybody on copper pipe
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it's the it's the way of the world but
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in the music business if you call
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somebody out for shortchanging you on
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the unload the load of lumber whatever
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that load of lumber is there's this uh
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the the typical reaction is like oh man
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that's so uncool hard to work with
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oh yeah John Roderick man is really like
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such she such dick because that because
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the the currency the lingua franca of
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these creative businesses is this
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incredibly passive kind of like it's
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cool man you know I know you said that
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we were going to get $1,500 and you're
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only giving us like eleven dollars but
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that's cool you know it's your clubs
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righteous and you're cool dude and we'll
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get you next time you know and I just
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think it's horseshit
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yeah and I'm sure I'm sure it happens in
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the in the web business too although i
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can't i can't picture away in which you
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guys would ever actually speak to each
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other face-to-face so now like your
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emails like hi emoticon
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no Robin LOL that's what we do we will
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speak we speak to each other mostly in
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this kind of this kind of yeah this
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smiley face and whose eyelashes going
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like that's that's I've used that set
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yeah there's there's on the web a lot of
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a lot of the
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there's a cat here a lot of the power if
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you will comes from quantifiable things
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like traffic or how high up on google
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you appear for certain returns and so it
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is kind of weird that whether you want
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to participate in this or not there are
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ways in which you're not only being
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evaluated but in some ways people are
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very obsessively following the stuff in
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the way we're adding ranking ranking
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that's right at anyway is in the way
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that you might for example not you but
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somebody who's who's putting out records
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might sit much soundscan and go okay
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well I really need to see what happens
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on week two of this release except on
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the webz if you have a website that's
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your franchise whatever it's an ongoing
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thing and then to reach the certain kind
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of perceived level of highness
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you know it brings with it you know lots
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of weirdness
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let's just say it's it's it's it's funny
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though but the word from personal
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experience now but yeah yeah absolutely
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cross a certain threshold your life
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change but don't know it's a first-world
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problem bi be a dick to complain about
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it but that it definitely is like like
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it's so for example let's say you won
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the lottery tomorrow all the sudden
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you're going to hear from a lot of
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relatives and and people with cancer and
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whatnot right and and it's it's just
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interesting because what it comes down
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to the always some share DNA with the
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music industry which is you want to in
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some way as much as possible ingratiate
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yourself in acceptable ways to people
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who can stand to give you more of the
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stuff whether that's an inbound link or
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a mention or something like that in the
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same way the people in your industry are
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constantly sucking up to magazines and
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trying to get on TV shows or whatever
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the interesting thing about it is that
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from every from every evil from every
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level of it looking upward
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you always imagine that the next the
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next level will be the level at which
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you'll have to start you'll be able to
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stop sucking up to the level above you
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right and in my experience there is that
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never arrives
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like I don't know who borrow sucks up to
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you learn this from the Robert Evans
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biography right you know you always
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there's always somebody at charlie
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bluhdorn you've always got somebody
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above you that you've got to be pleasing
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every level got somebody about mirror
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auditioning again
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and yeah for the next level and I think
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with Bono it's I I don't think he has to
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maybe suck up to anybody but there are
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people there are those invisible people
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whose names maybe aren't in the press
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who are controlling access to places
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that bono wants access to right he has
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to he can't come in and piss on the
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carpet in the entryway just because he's
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bono because these guys aren't aren't
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impressed
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here's the thing and this is this is
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this is the great myth that it would
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really have been swell if I had learned
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when I was 14 which is i really be
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coming from like you know they make a
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master at the same way too many times
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you lose figure boring right here this
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meet the stranger you know I don't know
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that 14 you got good at that
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yeah the the thing of it is that you
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always eat n plus i tended to think that
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such a thing is like whatever arriving
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and you get this one place right now
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here's the here's here's the tricky part
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about this and again i want to credit
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mr. robert evans two great the great
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producer for this is that you realize
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that in some ways
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okay first of all the older you get the
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more you realize you have to lose at any
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given time so so something like Bono and
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you're in your example from earlier you
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know Bono may not have anybody who he
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looks at his boss photos but it's got a
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lot of skin in the game in a lot of
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different ways and it is curiously I
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suspected it's a curiously American 20th
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century plus conceit to think that there
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are people in the world who don't worry
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about things like where they are and
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status and improving and keeping it all
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together just because they got more
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money than me or because I got more
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whatever than me right
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and I guess the only thing i want to say
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is that no matter who you are no matter
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where you are there's always there's
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always that sense of I don't know I just
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suspect there's always there's always
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something that you want to retain if not
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game there's always something that you
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want to keep together and having that
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skin in the game is what keeps you
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that's what keeps us all from becoming
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you know Spartan warriors or whatever
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you know i think that i think the Bush
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presidency has has Illustrated that
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better than almost anything in the sense
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that they were that we always felt like
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all the president is beholding to this
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back room
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group of of faceless man who are you
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know the puppet masters but with George
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it's never been more apparent that he is
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ostensibly the most powerful man in the
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United States and he actually turns to
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the guy sitting next to him to see if
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the answer he's giving the camera is
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correct
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you know he's he's visibly up he's
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visibly beholding to something larger
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than he is he's he still ain't even as
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president the united states is not able
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to sit back and say I've arrived and now
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I'm the decider as he's as he says you
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know they're he's he's being stage
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managed by powers beyond our
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comprehension and I don't or not even
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not not that's the best part about it's
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not beyond our comprehension they're
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sitting right exactly what you up and
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you know who it is it's like it's like
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Dick Cheney and about seven other guys
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who are like ahead George George yeah
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you're doing real good you doing real
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good and and the and understanding that
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that's true in every business that even
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bono and i dunno if you're watching
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I don't want to i'm not i'm not slagging
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you off I haven't ya mad respect for you
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yeah but I'm even bono there's somebody
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out there and I don't know whether it's
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the chairman of seagrams or whether it's
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nelson mandela or I don't know who it is
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a person that has pictures that the
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compromising pictures of him
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there's there no one is completely free
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mhm i think that should be the the model
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of your show
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no what no one is completely free yeah
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yeah but you are and now but there's a
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softer side of this to that I think it's
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worth mentioning which is that they're
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actually if this is not all the farias
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inside baseball industry backroom
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cigar-smoking stuff a lot of this like
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you know i'm happy to say that I really
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really like a lot of the people that
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I've met through doing stuff with the
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just as I know you've made great friends
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by touring the world with your band and
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meeting people along the way so I mean
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something to be said though like you
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know like easy I've seen you happier on
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some I've seen you a lot happier on some
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viewers than others just by virtue of
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the fact that
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you got along really well and felt
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mutual respect with the people that you
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are touring yeah that there are I mean
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intangible benefits are the reason that
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you do something like this they are the
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main benefits yeah I didn't know never
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meant to suggest that that they weren't
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but my objection is when other people
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trying trying to tell you that the
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intangible benefits are worth the thirty
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percent of the money that they're not i
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gotta tell you i think it's a deeper
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thing for you I think you are uncannily
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incapable of handling anything that you
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perceive this bullshit i think i think
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you are almost sociopathic in the way
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that you cannot let bullshit stand and
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yet I'm often accused of being a
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bullshit ru ru ru huge bullshit artist
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but that doesn't make you somebody who
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is a guy I've just seen this I can't
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tell you how many dozen times I've seen
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something happens and it catches the
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corner of your eye and it's big claws
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come out and you've got to go in and
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you're not gonna be happy and so you've
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put your front paws on the shoulders and
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your back claws into the gut and kind of
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run in place for a while in order to
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order to exercise every last bit of
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bullshit there's you know there's
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bullshit and there's bullshit and i
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think that the the kind of bullshit for
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instance that that you got the guy
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peeling off hundred-dollar bills would
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you not call that a piece of bullshit
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that you've got a call-out not just for
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financial reasons absolute almost for
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moral reasons absolutely there's the
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there's the bullshit that you've turned
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into a career
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yeah which is harmless bullshit caught
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the good does it doesn't affect anyone
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except in a sort of like you know what's
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that sound it's comforting at all right
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Merlin Mann uh-huh
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and then there's bullshit please you
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find comforting bullshit that has that
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where there's real skin like songs about
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spies like that that would be like what
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kind of bullshit songs about spies yeah
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i was about spies are there helping
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America they are there helping people
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understand their feelings about spies
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yeah comas and that's what I'm that's
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that's what I'm trying to show you about
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so is my kind of bullshit know there's
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our kind of bullshit yeah there's
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bullshit which is a form of
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entertainment and there's bullshit which
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is a form of obfuscation yes where you
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are bullshitting in order to distract
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the person so that you can make off with
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this is actually covered in that book on
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bullshit which very short book that I
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have on board yeah do you agree that
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this is along those lines it is you have
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a certain kind you have a certain kind
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of i'm empress paraphrasing what you
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just said was a certain kind of very
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inert just kind of bullshit bullshit as
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a form of passing the day I mean if you
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walk down the street in athens again
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there r45 old man sitting on every
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stupid yes bullshitting that's 10
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minutes
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it's the it's the lubricant social
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lubricant that makes the world a
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pleasant is so-so a toupee that
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somebody's wearing as they walk around
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is a kind of benign bullshit but a kind
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of a kind of like putting a gun to
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somebody's had to make them trying
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believe that that's a real to pay is a
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kind of intolerable bullshit
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yeah where I mean a toupee toupee on the
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head of a guy who's walking down the
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street and he's just you can see in his
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eyes that he believes that he has a full
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head of hair and he believes everyone
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else believes that he has a full head of
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hair is long as it's harmless but
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otherwise we can live with but I but a
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toupee like the one on Ben Affleck which
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is a whole career
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mm I mean his career is founded on the
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fact that he's a young and virile full
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you have that you have a flat problems i
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have a certain I i think it it crosses
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the line into a different kind of
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bullshit yeah when you are when you are
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presenting I mean like Sean Connery for
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instance when he when he exposed himself
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as a as a to paid man he he empowered
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himself that by saying like the this is
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a costume
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I'm wearing this as a costume yeah and
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so I can appear in a film with with a
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full head of hair and we know i'm
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playing a role
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yeah whereas somebody like Ben Affleck
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who is who is never appears without his
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fake hair and he's a movie star this
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metaphorical hair it's metaphorical hair
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okay yeah it's it's the equivalent of
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talent to pay of of a breast implant
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which is not which is not advertise
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itself from friends Pamela Anderson's
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breasts employee yes the advertise
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themselves as implants
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yes I have no objection to them because
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she is she's a car to them so been out
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of analytes career is like a nigga what
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like a 32b implant
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oh no I supplying android i have no way
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of knowing whether Ben Affleck has male
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pattern baldness like say yours
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for male pattern baldness likes a fully
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ball person like your friend here
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yeah but but his career is founded on
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his hair kind of it to a certain extent
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Ben Affleck was if he appeared bald on
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yes I don't know whether I mean he has
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the option i think of appearing in a
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film without his hair
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yeah and being perceived as like you're
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not talking about metaphorical hair
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you're saying Ben Affleck wears a piece
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oh yeah really oh you be sure about that
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absolutely
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huh you can tell no I can't
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yeah it's made out of its like woven out
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of the pubic hair of Vietnamese mother's
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hey huh currently in Vietnam it seems
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very lush that's what I'm saying
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huh what is that won't need a lot of
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rice now they do
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yeah yeah and it's salty fish but you
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find that intolerable
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no I'm saying across across a wine I
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don't know Ben Affleck's hair is a crime
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against humanity right but i think
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there's a difference between his hair
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and sean connery's here
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yeah I agree well you know what kind of
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pioneered all that was the with the
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weather guy on the today show what's his
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name the guy used to be the big guy
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wilford brimley Wilford Brimley's at his
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name anybody i know will for now Roker
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the other guy
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oh the the big guy have a big loud guy
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what was his name
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thank you well as scholars scholars
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Scott which it would charge would charge
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you differently depending on whether he
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wore his little hair hat he charged you
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it was part of his deal is deal was I'm
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with Scott I'm going to show up and it's
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going to be Willard Scott but if you
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were a little hair hat my charge a
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little more
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really yeah which I think see I think
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that's that that's got it takes a huge
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amount of self conscience consciousness
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that I that I i find almost intoxicating
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yeah I should come up with a version of
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that after yourself
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yeah like different glasses frames or
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maybe whether i have the comedy biker
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mustache or not you want me there
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i'm there a lot of anybody a mustache
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little more work which version of
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colorful John will you bring to the
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shell like the idea right
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yeah and all right that's a nice John
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bullshit and
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scene and seen I'm saying that I'm
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saying that crossword puzzles and Sudoku
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yeah and and solitaire
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uh-huh rr4 retirement people you don't
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see any analogy with making things like
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bottle cap like making a pop-top art or
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decoupage or string our towels
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it's awful retarded people but I know
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the joy of making the string our owl i
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think i think that that people to make
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string art owls are not just making them
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out of a motivated purely by the joy of
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negative status mean I think they're
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making it in order to have to have it
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made and then they have the string or
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towel and they intend to do something
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either give it as a gift
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yeah the wall or you've never made a
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string are now on your entire life i
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have made a lot of string art owl have
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you made a ship i have made a ship made
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a straight i made a guy made a ship on a
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string art yeah we're hammer the nails
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into a piece of absolutely when you
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string the string the ship is the
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classic but I wasn't making it out of
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the joy of making it and we were
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conniving well you made it official
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conniving about it yeah you couldn't
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just make a ship because he wanted to
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make a ship if you if you are not gonna
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get you later if you're motivated to
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make something i don't think that I
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don't and I think joy is a lot of joy is
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a lot easier to come by then then
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getting some tax and some felt in making
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a ship not for some people i think it is
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I think every I mean joy is pretty
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simple like paint-by-number people just
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like the mechanics of doing this is why
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sudoku or crossword people like the
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simple like this is something that I can
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do i'm going to just move my hands and
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think a little bit and watch my watch my
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stories false people paint by numbers
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and then they put it on the wall and if
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you put it on now that's retarded if you
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put it on the wall if you put a frame
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around it and put it on the wall yeah
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you weren't you you don't think of it as
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just an exercise of the hand like people
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okay if there are people out there
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particularly anyone who's watching who
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paint by numbers and then immediately
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throws the thing away
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yeah and it's just an exercise like this
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is something i do to keep my hands
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occupied lobby waiting for the clothes
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to dry your almost French these kinds of
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things that you come up we'll wait
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different you're very you're very close
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to French
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in fact you are friends i am so not for
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any way you look I don't look fresh and
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all you look totally friends last time
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you're in France like never I was in
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France of two weeks ago all over
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everywhere I like your sis you're ready
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just like you know you they look like me
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yeah they look like you you know I think
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that's because of your stupid fat eyes
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and the way the he see people because
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I'm you're like the Jerry Lewis of
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France in my dreams in my dreams I don't
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know you know what's funny i'll tell you
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this this is the classic this is the
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classic argument what that people have
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about art but if it's classic it's
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the stripper high heel and groc why did
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arthur c clarke is that right yeah
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that's my mom really plan to your shirt
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what likelike uhf an eight-track oh wow
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whatever it was it was beta
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uh-huh yeah I right but you were able to
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grow kit for the most attractive yeah
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you know groc is a lot older than you
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web people when people are always
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looking for words because you don't use
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worries we only web Peter you don't look
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you don't mean me and my army of web
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page so you repurpose word right because
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that's I mean I I into hiding after
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working out what called butthole the
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webwork we've been working on butthole
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10 in it but yeah exactly
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I the whole colon hear anything here's
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endless conversations I've had with you
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so I had always heard mostly because the
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like that I don't know who shared our
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1,900 1,900 and 82 I was there I got it
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I got it I got a twenty-dollar not even
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a no-name it's a sub no-name guitar and
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was in tenth grade and I i learn to play
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guitar and I cannot tell you that
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there's so many mythologies of high
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school that I just find unacceptable
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including those are the best years of
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your life but that if you learn to play
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you'll get girls right right which I
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found to be completely untrue
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in my experience is the bass players
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you're still upset that you didn't lose
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your virginity to your 22 well well ask
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me again when I'm but I'm I so so i
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think it's interesting that you take
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something like guitar which is basically
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it's a musical instrument for retarded
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people very easy to learn you know you
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you probably got good at it in and what
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34 weeks probably
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oh no I i labored over the guitar for
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years I was I didn't become good at the
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ask me again yeah until I was in my late
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twenties I think and even then not
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really good yeah i would argue i'm not
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i'm still not good people pick up the
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stuff like that though the thread here
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though is that people pick up stuff like
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that because because why I mean I for me
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i really liked being able to play along
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with Black Sabbath record right like and
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so I can when I learned pinball wizard
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and play along with tommy that was like
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what I imagine sex was like I think I
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think that the guys who actually pick up
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the guitar motivated by a desire to get
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girls you can see them a mile away and
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they are there fuck stains every one of
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yeah most people who pick up the guitar
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do not do it because they imagine it's
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going to get him girls they do it for a
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pure adolescent boy your courier yeah
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which is just like yeah yeah like
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I'm you know like the the girl was not
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even in it you want to be Pete Townsend
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yes and being Pete Townsend seems like
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the end at of itself understand heating
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get girls with it either i don't know
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that i've never seen a picture of p-town
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with a girl
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yeah have you ever seen a picture of him
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with a girl he's in that we're looking
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at Turner i challenge you people
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watching this on the web to immediately
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click on to google and search for Pete
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and untroubled um address my viewers I'm
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basketball when I when I first started
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joy of it and i was learning nothing by
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playing the tennis racket to to choose a
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wrist or Judas Priest yeah I learned
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what your earlier you were a big we've
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talked about this
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def leppard Judas Priest first first two
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dayz top records a early ZZ top and
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breathe the Iron Maiden ac/dc and you
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know what what do you get out of sitting
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in an empty house and going like and
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dared to turn their back on tennis
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racket you know yeah anything no it's
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like Matt out Matt masturbation it's the
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equivalent of play solitaire but I mean
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happiness
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yeah i would play the tennis racket
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until sweat was pouring down my face huh
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i would i would do it like and I don't
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know and what I was two hours obviously
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I'm I was daydreaming I was having it
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fields of imagination of me what you
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ac/dc that's right play guitar and every
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page with the with the the crowd and
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you're very familiar with the visual i
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mean like this is probably a little more
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French philosophy that we want to get
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but use your so familiar with the sound
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that you heard over and over and over
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and over
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right right you just leave the little
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tonearm thing up and place I plays over
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the videos you seen in cream in whatever
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guitar for the Pakistan musician you've
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seen all this stuff so you feel like
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you've got everything except the ability
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to play guitar the magic only missing
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piece you've imagined it imagine it and
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then have a certain point I think as a
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listen boy you have to transform it into
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some kind of something physical yeah the
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physical action of participating in your
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imaginative fantasy and it's why you
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know it's why it's not enough to sit and
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imagine playing war you have to go out
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and play war with your friends and
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you're not actually shooting each other
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your attention eh oh yeah and I think
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guitar on a stage was was a i think that
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the thing that got me to actually first
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figure out what's that first course so
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frustrating gotta learn that so it's
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just like if I could have taken a pill
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and gone from pictures of matchstick men
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into being able to actually go smoothly
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smoothly smoothly right I would have
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taken that pill in a second it was crazy
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million times that I think applies to
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all kinds stuff it's not how many years
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you played how many hours you play right
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like maybe you can get really good at
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guitar if you really work at it
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seriously for like two or three months
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you can get pretty okay guitar at least
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you have any dexterity at all which I
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don't really know I my hand is like a
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unique flavor immediately so you're
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playing along with dirty deeds
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you're just going to eat your player
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playing open chords yeah at this point
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okay wewe trying to speak following on
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oh you know but I just don't have I
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can't there's no speed you can see my
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hand doesn't respond to commands from my
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I just I don't you just be honest but
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we're not we're not altering this at all
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this is actual real time that's his
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quickest John can move his hand it's
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just it's hard to even sit here and
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watch it but but it's true and i see i
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see people our age people into their
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thirties still being frustrated by
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collect huh
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thank you people into our early thirties
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people who just have crossed into their
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or-or-or letter of the idea
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frustrated by the fact that in their
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imagination they are much better at the
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thing they want to do then they are when
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they actually put their hands on the
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thing and try and do it so they can see
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where they would be a great architect or
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they can they picture themselves being a
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great you know a game designer or
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or-or somebody like said somebody's
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watching the show and like I could do a
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show like that you just point the camera
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a couple of guys and make a shower get
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some Chinese people playing basketball
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odds you know little bit have no idea
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what went into getting them but then you
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actually put your hands on the thing and
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utilize I'm not as good at this as as I
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as I know why
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time so I'm not going to it i'm
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frustrated at it yeah and I'm gonna go
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yeah and then and when you're when
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you're 15 or 16 and that's you know
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flanks or whatever but when you get to
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be 35 and that is still the thing that's
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inhibiting you from doing from doing
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anything they are beyond just going to
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work at your job
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yeah then you know that then it then you
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need to overcome you need to get past
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the the fact that your imagination is
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better at the thing than then your hands
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and actually get in and start learning
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how to do something because i see i mean
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as a musician i made a lot of people who
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are like oh man it's so cool that you
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like to get to do what you love and you
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know and I just have I work at this job
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at school or whatever but you know I
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really we wish i was learning that and I
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i hate to always be the life coach in
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those situations but I'm like it's hard
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for you so I remember you always
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somebody an opinion on the high hate it
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so much
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sometimes people have to ask i had not
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getting paid for it but I but you know
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every one of those people has a dream
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that's achievable
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that was unachievable sometimes
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disturbingly achievable so achievable
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just right there and that but they feel
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like the little bit of practice that
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they have to do the little bit of like
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you know like oh that requires a
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graduate degree
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well yeah it does but you know how easy
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a fucking graduate degree is to get you
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know many morons I know they have
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graduate degrees most of them they're
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there all morning I be requisite like
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being called dr. they really do like I i
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think we should i don't know i want to
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be called you get your master's degree
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now I have a master's degree in a couple
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of things
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I i will want people to call me
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bachelor-man bachelor every time
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something system being called doctor dr.
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four years so yeah except now they hand
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out bachelor's degrees too many tests
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well sure it's not hard
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frustrating for me when i first started
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playing guitar I really want to be good
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fast and for me that first thing was I
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want to be able to play along with
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beautiful songs more than anything in
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the world but that's the cords are so
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unless you have a really easy the easy
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Beatles corso squirrely I'm learning to
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play a 6-quart like I said you know it's
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weird you know and of course I was
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barely mastering g which is really
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matter not a little song without the six
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know you gotta at the end on it
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yeah but-but-but I think something
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something analogous today it's what
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you're describing which is even if you
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do get good at guitar they do get good
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songwriting it strikes me that still one
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of the most crazy making of enterprises
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is recording and I wouldn't want our
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band record back in Tallahassee and this
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is could not have been more welcoming
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informal you know it's an aide a 12 pack
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and it could not have been more
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comfortable environment but it read a
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whole career out of that got a blessing
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but you know what i mean it's like an
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invisible your recording recording it's
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like it's god it's almost like cost
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accounting or dentistry to took to be
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recording and overdubbing and redoing
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and then you realize something early on
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there's something on the drums that you
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can't fix now and it's too late
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especially using a four-track or an
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eight-track you're saying though and
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it's I think the thing you're describing
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about not being able to get your hand on
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it quite right
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it's so frustrating it seems like it
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would be you're paying for it your pan
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your cash to go be in the studio to make
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that record people forget that record
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that recording is its own art form
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completely separate from being good at
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guitar or analogous but very different
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scale very different skills being a
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great like onstage live presence who can
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like sing on key is so different from
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being somebody who can let go play the
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solo twice the same way and I think
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everybody that's a fan of music nose
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knows the experience both of getting a
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record like the my bloody valentine
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record which is an incredible record and
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you listen to it you're like oh man
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awesome and then you'll see them live in
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it's like watching paint dry
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they're terrible life and and then your
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favorite band that you think love to go
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see and they're just this incredible
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charismatic kick-ass band you buy their
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records and it's always a cold shower
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because the record just doesn't capture
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that the music that's the that process
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that process can be I mean I've watched
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you up close and from afar
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putting the last record together it took
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you a long time it was a lot of zeros a
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lot of yet false starts and and you're
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somebody who takes that shit really
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seriously and everywhere you aren't fun
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in and it was still very trying to be
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very frustrating it was as its first
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frustrating mainly because again you in
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your mind you know how you want to
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record the sound and you know that you
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can do it and you know it's just waiting
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on the other side of some amount of time
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that has to pass where stuff happens you
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know like how many times when you're
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starting out making a record do you just
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sit there on the couch and go i wish
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this record was just done and we can
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look back on how fun it was to make but
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looking forward at all the work that you
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have to do and all the times when you
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don't you're at a crossroads and you
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don't know which way to go
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you know it's excruciating and this is
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also the first time that you have done
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this pretty much almost all in your hand
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right i mean you did you were you were
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kind of project manager as well as a
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songwriter the singer in the guitar
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player and yeah I mean we have a great
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engineer few Lloyd Wright's my was the
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was the engineer and without him I
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couldn't make sure your the production
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credit on the site i produced ok and end
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it in music you know like what who is
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the producer it's like directing
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yourself in a movie it is it's like
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writing directing and producing a movie
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and sometimes you make great movies that
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way and sometimes a lot of times they're
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invisible because there's no one
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standing there saying like know that the
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shot you know like the shot of you
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getting out of the shower is an
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essential to the film and it actually is
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a turnoff for knowing knowing when to
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move on knowing when to go you know what
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that's going to be fine and i just
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cannot spend another day on you know
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getting your amp to sound the way you
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want the way that my perfectionism
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manifest itself is not let's do that
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take 80 times that is not the kind of
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perfectionism i have like I'm generally
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if but if the take was actually my
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suppliers agree with that
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well you know you know that that's Mike
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you look at you get Mike on here but no
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I don't want I don't want to do it take
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80 times i do it until it until it
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wow that's good and a lot of times it's
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the first or second tank
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a lot of the vocal performances or you
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know run it down once then again and
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then keep the third one but at the way
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when you've got that when you got the
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the cash register
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you know clicking every few minutes in
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your head you got me thinking yourself
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does that affect your decision-making
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also it yeah it does but it's also an
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attention span thing like the cash
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register is what keeps me from making a
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90-minute long records where every song
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has 80 track sharp of like living it's
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um Wow walking you know there's always
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something where you think right before
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the chorus would it be cool if like 10
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of us went into a parking garage and
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just threw bottles at a wall and
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recorded it wouldn't that be great you
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know and it's the cash register that
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keeps you from doing that but it isn't a
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cash register that keeps me from doing
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80 vocal takes it's it's it's a it's a
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short attention span for that kind of
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thing for that kind of perfectionism
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yeah and also a feeling of of that that
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it's illegitimate in the first vocal
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that i recorded with ken stringfellow in
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the producers chair I saying the first
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three lines you know for the first three
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words like hey baby I and can push stop
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on the machine and I look through the
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glass I was like and he said sounded
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alright let's so let's get the next next
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three words oh no he's a puncher and I
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was like oh the next three words so he
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pushes record and listen to myself go
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hey baby I and then I'm supposed to go
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love you
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hmm and he's like stop you know like
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that was good let's hit you again and I
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said can I can't I can't work this way
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and he looked at me through the glass
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was like what you mean this is how you
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make records he's never made a record
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where you didn't do that and I think
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that was the he's got the motor skills
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to be punching in and out that fast and
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through the eighties and nineties that's
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how they made record allow you and as a
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so just out of curiosity and fall and
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fall and so but this wasn't all
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computery this is under all this is tape
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he's doing this with tape and I bet this
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lab this lasted 45 minutes where I set
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in the mic and said I'm not going to
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record a bubble this way you need to
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push record i'll sing the song all the
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way through and I'll do it again and not
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maybe i'll do it a third time and then
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we'll pick the one that's the best and
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if they're if there's an out-of-tune no
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out we can punch it in but i'm not going
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to go i'm not going to go every three
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words I didn't know they would ever do
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that on a first take on like a trying to
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get the that was just that was the
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oh man that was how they recorded all
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those records i think i think you listen
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to your favorite records from the
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eighties and they're all recorded that
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was punched in
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well so that's question about this
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though this is a so when people first
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started putting your band a few gotta go
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and you realized you're going to have
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people started quitting my band before
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before the initial lineup even select
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people gotta remember it wasn't always
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fashionable to quit your band there was
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a time when people were doing some
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really landmark works and doesn't
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overwrite you people that smoke was very
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good where were brave they were now that
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may pave the way those are some good
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money funny clever people
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yeah good riddance yeah that's true
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that's true but add so I wonder that we
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talked about it a little bit before but
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you have a very electric and fun live
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I wonder how much the songwriting and
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the studio stuff especially the left
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last record do you are you always trying
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to prepare for the fact that it might be
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just two or three of you up there are
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you haha no seriously when you when you
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when you're putting the record together
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are you thinking about making it
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somewhat reproducible is that part of
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your constraint is can we do this in
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amsterdam on a PA we don't trust well
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every record the long winters have made
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has been different from the last and so
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obviously the first record we made no
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attempt to
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be able to duplicate those songs live
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and in a lot of cases those songs are
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there hard for us to play now the second
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record again we made no attempt to
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duplicate it would be to be able to
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duplicate it live and we've struggled to
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you know to play them live sometimes but
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it's never constrained us like what if
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there isn't if the live band is a
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three-piece band we go out and playing
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at three we play the three-piece version
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of the song
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yeah and we don't it's not like we have
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reels of tape running behind the stage
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with all the backing tracks we just get
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out there and we're all right on this
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tour where the jam and where to
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Rickenbacker's in a drum kit and the
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fact that the record has you know the
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Vienna Boys Choir on it is not going to
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be a problem for us and hopefully it
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isn't a problem for our audience because
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our audience isn't typically made up of
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those people who are like with that
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doesn't send that the record man very
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forgiving it's not that they're
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forgiving it's that their adventurous
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spirit people that with a spirit of
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discovery they come to our shows and
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they're like what are the loan was going
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to give us this time I think on the on
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the one running out of time the new
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record on the most recent record we did
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try a little bit more to rein in some of
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the some of the experiments that were
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further afield and make like a rock and
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roll record but i don't think the next
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record we make will will will we we we
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met that challenge head-on and we've
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made that record so now the next record
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we're going to probably really explore
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the outer limits the sky's the limit
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