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00:00:23 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► incomparable it's another edition of [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► what we like to call old movie club our [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► movie grab and in this edition we are [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► going to be talking about sunset [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► boulevard from 1950 and stat like 17 [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► from 1953 now Philip Michael's always [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► picks the movies and I wanted to ask [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► Phil right up front here it is the theme [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► so these movies directed by billy wilder [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► he had a hand in the script they start [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► William Holden and is that what was the [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► theme you're looking for here or is it [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► movies that strangely have famous [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► directors in bit parts is that also was [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► thinking that movies [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► yes Bavarian Bavarian adjacent film [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► directors again supporting roles this [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► was the theme it's a very important part [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► of cinema later tonight we'll little [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► later tonight we'll be watching grand [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► illusion and talking about that [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► alright it was just it was good to see [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► erich von stroheim have auto premature [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► as he was meant to be seen and cecil b [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► demand accessibility mill absolute last [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► Turkey and also a director [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► yes it's true alright let me introduce [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► the the panel you already heard from [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► Philip Michaels and you heard from [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► buster keaton and erich von stroke and [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► referring to is here to everything that [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► buster keaton had to say [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► also joining us Monty Ashley hello hi [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► Steve Lutz is here hello hooray it's me [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► yay india echo is also here hi Andy [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► adding I damn more'n sign in signing on [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► here I excellent Erica enzyme hi present [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► and shannon sudderth hello hello I am [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► big [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► it's the podcast that got small you're [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► you're telling me [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► yeah alright uh Phil where should we [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► start to restore chronologically with [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► some simple over and start [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► chronologically with sunset boulevard [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► because i think it frames the William [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► Holden we run into a few years later in [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► a in a little bit better light but I saw [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► sunset boulevard the most recently and [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► it's committed to memory now so um yeah [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► so the the movie opens up and William [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► holding his dead whoops not affected [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► yeah he's able to boil errs through a [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► voiceover which I'm sure that we will [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► discuss the effectiveness of it later on [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► yeah so William Paul it will be million [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► polden William Holden is floating [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► facedown William Lordan yes that's it [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► folks floating facedown in the pool shot [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► shot to pieces and telling us hey you [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► want to know how I got here will let me [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► tell ya [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► let's go to a flashback where he is a [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► screen writer in Hollywood who is not [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► doing up terribly well for himself [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► people are coming to repossess his car [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► he can't sell a movie to save his life [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► not to up not to faint character actor [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► Frank 4i i always get Fred Clark I [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► always forget him confused with that [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► yes guy whose name is Frank count [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► something else other right Frank Nelson [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► thank you Frank Nelson and fred clark [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► they're very similar to mustachioed [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► balding men who were famous in their day [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► anyhow fred clark doesn't want to buy [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► any of William Holden movies uh he's [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► driving back the car repo men see that [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► he's his car wasn't loaned out like he [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► said it was and they they we have a [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► chase sequence which is unusual for [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► Billy Wilder movie but there you go and [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► William Holden ends up taking shelter in [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► a mansion on the titular Sunset [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► Boulevard which is owned by fading [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► silent movie star [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► Norma Desmond as played by fading silent [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► movie star Gloria Swanson and it is at [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► this point that we learned that Gloria [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► Swanson is or at least as Norma Desmond [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► is well checked out from reality still [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► thinks that the next big part is going [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► to be just a just a phone call away and [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► in fact she is in writing a script [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► herself that will launch her her great [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► comeback in which he finds out that [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► William Holden is himself a scriptwriter [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► she insisted he reads it which is when [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► William Holden who we should mention is [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► is is a pretty scuzzy little fella hits [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► upon the theory that well all dr. her [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► script and I can [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► I doubt here from my creditors and maybe [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► make some some cash to pay them off arm [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► and thus begins the the plot where she [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► gets here [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► clutching her clutches deeper and deeper [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► into him he becomes are the kept man uh [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► she falls for him and he wants nothing [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► to do with her because she's 50 gross [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► haha he was on like in real life he was [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► 12 years younger than her when they made [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► this movie so it was like it's like me [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► about it guys it's in his defense she's [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► not well [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► no no they just look old she just looks [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► crazy great yeah they they make some [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► deliberate choices on how to present [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► Gloria Swanson this movie which I'm sure [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► we'll talk about later as well on a we [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► should mention that uh William Holden [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► keeps having run-ins with a script [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► reader at the studio of Betty shapers [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► the character's name the actresses nancy [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► olson and no she's dating a surprisingly [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► Pepe Jack Webb the peppiest Jack weapon [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► you ever see Ronnie too i did not have [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► to double take when i looked it up [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► yeah um the they begin working on a [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► script together and they began quite [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► clearly falling for each other this [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► which is complicated because again [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► William Holden is a kept man [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► Gloria Swanson's a jealous woman [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► William Holden finally has enough and [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► decides to leave and we can get into the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► details of that later i'm just trying to [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► some of the plot quickly [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► ah and that's when Gloria Swanson plugs [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► and full of holes and has her final [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► psychic break with reality leading to [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► the famous scene where the police come [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► together come to get her and the a4 [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► mentioned erich von stroheim who was who [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► is both her butler and the first husband [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► was happens and a and a former director [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► of connives the way to get her out of [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the house is to pretend that she is [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► again in a movie and she descends down [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► the stairs well [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► erich von stroheim is yelling out [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► direction and it's very haunting and [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► horrifying and that's when she delivers [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► the line [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► that besides get the middle is ready for [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► my close-up mr. DeMille I'm ready for my [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► close-up that is probably the second [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► most famous line in the movie besides [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► I'm still bigots the pictures that got [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► small and and movie and but eventually i [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► guess they fish William Holden out of [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► the pool center later they sure let him [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► float for a long time no see he gets [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► he's gonna he's gonna pickle in the air [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► right Lu so I'm Matt that's the movie in [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► a nutshell and down didn't take us to [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► onto something up moving on to start [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► like seven no no no [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► wow you really blasted through that [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► field AI wanted to wanted to get the [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► plot out of the way so that we don't [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► have time to interrupt you [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► yeah well I that was my goal to your [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► bottom that would ya [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► so let's go back to the beginning yeah [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► okay I yield the floor [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► well my first know was that I thought it [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► was really cool that we could have [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► started zoomed in on the street sign [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► that says Sunset Boulevard but we start [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► facedown in the gutter Enzo yeah looking [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► at on Sunset Boulevard painted on the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► curb [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► yep which kind of tells you where the [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► story's gonna go [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► I like how it screams film two are at [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► you exactly like double identity where [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► you have all of the hallmarks of a [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► voiceover you have the derringer saying [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► so I'm already dead when this movie [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► stars don't expect a happy ending now [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► see that threw me for a loop because he [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► looks different enough floating in the [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► pool and and film from underneath that I [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► wasn't certain that it was him in fact [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► for a long time I didn't think it was [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► him and I kept waiting for than this [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► this new character to arrive that's [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► gonna get shot and end up floating in [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► the pool and in fact he starts off as [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► the narrator calling himself a poor dope [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► at which point i wrote down you've got a [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► pretty rough when even the narrator [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► cause you poured oh but it turns out it [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► was him so that makes a lot more sets [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► but yeah that I I was kind of thrown off [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► by that I think that was a byproduct of [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► how they had to shoot the the [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► underwaters in the because i had to use [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► mirrors because they couldn't get a [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► clear shot with the camera underwater [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► and protected in any way and also the [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► police you the police detectives [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► wouldn't have shown up clearly in the [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► shot either so [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► I think that's why William Holden kind [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► of looks odd and not himself when he's [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► on he's floating upside bill just hold [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► your breath for another 5 10 minutes [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► we've got the shadow set up the can we [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► start with just the question of Weiss i [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► have a dead guy narrate the story as [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► opposed to simply start off with ok he's [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► on the run from creditors and we don't [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► know how this story is going to end up [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► why was the why do you think that choice [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► was made well like I said it's a kind of [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► a film our staple really its to tell the [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► audience this does not have a happy [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► ending [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► so that the whole time you're watching [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► it even the brief moments of completely [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► under dr visit my I think the moment he [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► decides that moving in with Gloria [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► Swanson instead of running in any [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► direction other than that way including [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► prism is not as a way to go [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► I think that's when we know that these [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► things are not going to work on this [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► will not end well i like i like the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► whole movie in retrospect though I [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► wonder if that was just kind of flashy [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► if you if they started it straight [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► I don't know if we would've been better [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► better known for any worse I don't know [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► as a movie viewer I i'm always sort of [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► counting on the happy ending so I feel [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► like my experience watching this film [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► would have been very very different if [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► they had just gone instead I would have [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► expected the happy ending with him [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► because you know they really built up [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► his relationship with the little script [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► writer lady and you know be it looks [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► like looks like things could work out [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► for him and the only reason that the [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► only reason that I'm not you know really [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► rooting for that is because I know and I [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► appreciate a pet now it adds to the [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► emotional punch towards the end it's not [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► that he himself has become a better [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► person but he's at least sort of trying [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► to do the right thing he guides Betty [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► back to her fiance and breaks it off [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► with her pretty cruelly but he's like [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► look you know this is the only way she's [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► gonna believe me and he sets her back [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► out of his life and then he's working to [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► take himself out of Norma's life hoping [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that you know she'll get over him and [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► then she'll go back to her happy fantasy [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► and things will be okay and he's gonna [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► go back home to Ohio so in his own way [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► he's trying to do the right thing and [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► yet you know what's coming in that kind [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► of makes it a little more wrenching I [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► found out like [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► good move on his part and and I i took [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► from that William Holden this kind of [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► full of self-loathing and also load is [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► everything about Hollywood at this point [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► because i think it's an interesting [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► moment where you sort of it I expected [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► anyway that he's either going to push [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► Betty away and stay or he's going to [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► leave with Betty and instead he pushes [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► her away and makes to leave like you [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► know you need to go do something else [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► that's not with me and I need to get out [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► of here and I I thought that was a that [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► was a moment of surprise for me even [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► though knowing that he's gonna get shot [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► that he's so you know he's not gonna [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► even try to make it work with Betty he [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► knows that it's no good she needs to go [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► to her boyfriend and go back to him and [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► and and just get him get William Holden [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► out of her life I always said I was [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► surprised by that he does he kind of [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► knocks down the whole house of cards you [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► know kinda on the way out i see you [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► suckers [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► yeah he's the one who pushes her into [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► madness finally by well short trips yeah [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► it wasn't it was a gentle push but look [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► at the butler whose name i cannot [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► remember what matters right max that's [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► it after starting our letters by writing [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► the better make fan letters and making [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► her still think that she's wanted and [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► then yeah it's really William Holden who [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► cares down that sort of the only thing [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► desired madhouses our old car yeah it is [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► currently strange to me that the [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► narration never makes a note of the fact [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► when it gets to the point where he's [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► been shot that oh yeah that's me I'm [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► floating in the pool i'm dead and it [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► just kind of goes on and and he's [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► talking about stuff that he can't [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► possibly have known about places [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► hovering over as a ghost that's always [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► bothered me i feel like the narration [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► should stop once your character is dead [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► accepting we start with the character [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► that one anymore he could be dying else [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► then this is all covered in Sunset [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► Boulevard to okay i love i love that [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► about the narration that first thing you [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► hear is hey I'm dead that's me floating [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► there let me tell you how I got to this [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► point is you're like but you're already [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► did it's like yeah but I'm the narrator [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► too so I got another job to wait before [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► i descend into hell I got a few more [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► things to tell you about a mutual friend [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► and I of Jason and minds i used to [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► describe the open [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► the movie as I can't believe that crazy [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► broad shot i don't have the whole movie [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► is like his last thoughts like ya light [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► flashing before I doesn't hold up [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► because you that only the dragon his [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► corpse out of the pool and he still [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► yammering along in the dryer [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► no he's now in the afterlife as a movie [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► narrator that's his name rigor mortis is [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► that it that's as hell he's gonna not [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► participate in the worst possible [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► narrative conventions of all the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► voice-over the alcohol left me my face [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► puffy as it was I don't know where this [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► water's gonna do [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► closed casket closed casket I'm gonna [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► lay out all my cards out on the table [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► I don't like the narration yeah it's not [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► really necessary i don't think i [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► overdoing I like it but again just [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► because it makes it such a film noir [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► movie it is into our that yeah i mean i [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► agree it's sort of plays up to a lot of [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► narration in film noir I think works out [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► you need to have someone specific point [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► of view you can have an armistice [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► Commission point of view in this you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► have to have here is what i'm seeing at [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► the time remember that in this into any [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► entire mansion has been its itself as a [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► fantasy land that's built up so that [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► this one woman thinks that everything [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► makes sense and everybody who's part of [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► that fantasy has been building into it [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► for so long and with such conviction [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► that they don't believe it but they [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► don't question it anymore so you need to [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► have a narrator who says oh my god I'm [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► the first one to walk into this monkey [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► house who's telling everybody you don't [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► realize how bad it smells in here even [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► love your soul you don't smell exactly [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► it's literally a monkey yeah that's what [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► that smell is the dead chimps oh yeah [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► the character can't really express that [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► because if he does then his little ruse [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► about you know ghost writing your script [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► is ruined so i guess it makes sense that [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► has to be done via narrow my God he's [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► literally ghostwriting it lady your [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► house reeks is not gonna work is there [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► also a little bed I detected a little [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► bit from the very beginning that he [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► knows that the script is not going to go [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► anywhere but there's some part from that [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► same wait a minute and i know that i'm [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► basically a basically gigolo for this [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► for this woman but I'm now for the first [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► time actually being paid to work on a [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► script for a big star who can actually [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► get on the lot now that he thinks gonna [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► go it's gonna go anywhere but maybe at [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► some point he's instead of being the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► person who can [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► get anything going anywhere at least [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► even himself when he got with somebody [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► gets into the orbit of this this this [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► crazy house can say well now i'm an [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► actual working screenwriter met the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► bottom of the wrong but at least i'm on [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► the ladder right now but by that point [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► he's already kind of given up on it [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► right like he goes in he's like oh yeah [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► I've given up on writing i basically I'm [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► just a kept man like he starts I agree [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► starts out there down that path but like [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► you wear his he could have pursued that [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► further and try to you know push it he [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► eventually sort of gives up and resigns [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► himself to the life of being a kept man [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► there's a key scene that I really like [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► which is like the last little bit of his [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► soul getting sold away he tries to exert [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► some professionalism and editorial [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► authority over her terrible screenplay [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► and says this whole scene needs to come [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► out we don't need to see you do this and [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► she said you don't need to be in every [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► scene and she said yes I do [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► he's like all right back in I don't know [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► I feel like the last straw is really [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► when the car which is his ostensible [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► reason for being there is dragged away [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► registration spite of his efforts iin [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► yet i was thinking the the scene at the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► New Year's party where he rushes back [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► because she's tried to kill herself you [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► know because he's almost out [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► he's a lot of bad there's a lot of bad [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► happened but he goes back [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► yeah I like um i want to mention I I [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► like a lot of the Hollywood wraparound [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► stuff here that is not like the primary [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► plot but it's just that this the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► trappings of this film or so glorious [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► his a pitch to try and get his scripts [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► old which is where he meets Betty and [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► she doesn't like his script there's that [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► the producer throws off the horrible [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► baseball movie that yes you're not [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► making a girl's softball team that [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► killed me that was just so great and and [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► later what you know what later we get [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► some more of the Hollywood stuff when [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► she goes and meets this will be the mill [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► and they're there at the studio and they [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► put the spotlight on on her and all of [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► that it's like I really liked that idea [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► of the end waxworks poker game where she [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► has the famous silent movie stars over [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► to play poker at her house [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► relax when they never say anything [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► that's also such a sweet moment to which [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► he goes back to the set they the people [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► there are excited to see here the people [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► she worked with love her and [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► really want to see her and even the [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► person even the people who have not been [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► part of this fantasy for the past 10 15 [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► years ago I cannot break this woman's [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► heart and tell her why she was [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► mistakenly but that she's under the [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► impression that we wanted back on the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► set because we love her too much [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► literally only when the spotlight is on [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► her which I thought was such a great [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► mind a second they pull it off everybody [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► dissolves and walks away and then the [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► boom mike comes down she spots like it's [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► a fly this is hovering down i love that [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► scene because they had the sense not to [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► make a whole new set [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► Cecil B DeMille working director have a [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► said he was shooting on just went over [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► there and use that I love everything [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► like that in every movie like that [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► especially especially knowing that they [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► had to they still had a rent and book a [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► huge movie crane and huge lighting [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► system just to be in front of the actual [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► camera the actual lighting system they [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► rented I love every scene like that I i [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► enjoy the biliousness of of billy wilder [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► towards hollywood because they're when [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► they're doing that the pitch of the [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► softball movie they're naming these [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► actors that could play the right card [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► and a greater William Demarest yeah and [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► there's a throwaway line about you and [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► have rejected gone with the wind and [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► that was many was no that was me here [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► who wants to see a civil war picture [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► yeah I think that's probably the most [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► for me the most fascinating thing about [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► the movie is the fact that it got made [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► at all given that you know Hollywood has [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► to be projecting this view of the Dream [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► Factory and you know I these workers are [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► all they love each other and it's just [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► this wondrous rainbow land where nothing [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► bad ever happens and I'm sure the fact [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that all of these silent actors were [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► basically sidelined and and a good [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► percentage of them probably were going [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► silently nuts in there the laminated [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► mansions you know thinking of the glory [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► days is not something that they wanted [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► to get out there but it's funny how many [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► movies i feel like use that whole trip [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► to of like well talking talkies didn't [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► agree with the segment pictures when you [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► yeah that's true but there were what [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► like 20 years of of silent pictures [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► before there were there were like you [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► know now been like a year to the talkies [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► we're still very focused on that and the [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► other joke that I want to mention that [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► that I thought was a nice securing of [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► Hollywood is where he describes some a [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► screenplay that he did work on that you [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► might have seen and he said I wrote it [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► was about okies in the dust bowl by the [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► time i got may be played out on a [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► torpedo boat it's like what [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► it's just i love i love to just you know [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► the whole citizens of Hollywood and how [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► I mean these are the same jokes that [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► people make today about Hollywood is it [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► isn't it is not different but i love [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► that there is that moment like wow this [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► is pretty lacerating for a movie that [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► you know obviously got made with a [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► budget and became a became famous I'm [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► not surprised about that because [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► Hollywood loves movies about itself but [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► it is pretty lacerating the factor get [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► it but it also wound up like playing [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► well in the bigger cities and not doing [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► very well in like small towns and it [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► wasn't up for several years as it they [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► released it ended by then become [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► something of a classic that that it [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► solidified that's not surprising right [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► at me as so many sort of Insider E [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► things they they play well to the people [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► who actually are are on the insides [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► weird that well Wilder was so given to [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► those jokes given that you would think [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► that at that point in his career if he [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► wrote a script he could be pretty sure [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► that's what's going to show up in a [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► movie right now and then we'll get to [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► this later installments 17 but the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► apparently the studio suggested maybe [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► not making it a German prison camp [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► because they want to tell you are they [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► wanted to sell it show it in Germany and [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► the and that was polish prison guards [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► yeah and that was the light and that [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► ended up being the last movie he made [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► for that studio so so he he had is a [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► opinions and they were generally write [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► about things I i guess i gave him short [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► shrift during the during the summary but [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► the erich von stroheim i really like his [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► performance and he's very good yeah [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► really here it's all the notes of being [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► of being just heartbroken for throughout [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► yeah even for his part in that I think [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► what he gave up he could have been there [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► a lot of directors that made the [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► transition very very well and he was as [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► big as they say he was he could probably [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► have made it big but he was bit his his [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► career was this person and this is [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► another case where you see again [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► this bubble of delusion inside this [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► house I i love when the things i love [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► about that ending is that he's when he's [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► a pretending to be directing her she's [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► coming down the staircase and pretending [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► that the press photographers are all [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► like movie cameras [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► he's doing he's doing things that really [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► are taking him back to when he was there [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► a powerful director you see him glancing [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► up the lights glancing at this one [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► making sure that this person is ready a [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► lot more than he needs to sell this to [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► this crazy delusional women's I'm [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► completely disconnected break he could [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► just say you okay little puppy and time [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► to yap yap yap for your doggy treat but [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► it's there i think this part of him that [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► actually kind of like being back in [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► control of a film set again [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► well there's that earlier scene when [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► they're when they're at the studio and [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► he points out it with this used to be my [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► office it took up this entire space so [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► yeah yeah that his performance is kind [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► of like a revelation on the first time I [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► became aware of this story was god help [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► The Carol Burnett Show her spoofs of [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► Norma Desmond and feedback [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► yes it yeah Harvey Korman doing max and [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► you know to go from that and then to [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► finally see the movie it's based on and [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► see you know just how much more is there [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► in their performances and in the script [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► um it's a i love it i actually I mean [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► one of the things that I have throughout [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► this movie is this sympathy for the [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► people who are making it because i know [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► that in many cases they lived this right [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► i mean these were people who actually [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► you know Gloria Swanson was a silent [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► movie star who didn't work a lot after [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► that Erich von Stroheim you know he [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► tried to greed just legendary movie but [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► he didn't direct movie after the early [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► thirties so you know I think that in [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► some ways when I look at erich von [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► stroheim as Max and he he doesn't you [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► know he's just a butler and he doesn't [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► direct anymore it's like there's gotta [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► be some residents in that too so but it [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► is a but you know regardless it is a [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► really fun performance and i like i like [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► that character a lot and you feel the [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► sadness and and the loyalty to her like [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► I could I could not believe her i could [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► not be away from her he says that's it's [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► a it was the first test [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► and I don't remember that was I know [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► that reveals is so good [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► yeah there's a scene as a as she's [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► descending the stairs and he's directing [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► her when I was just take a quick close [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► up of him and you just see him swallow [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► and it says so much in that just that [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► one moment and from there i think they [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► cut over to hedge hopper bawling and [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► that that just kind of had but it does [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► take a lot of guts now do you think [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► about you talk about it about two if you [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► worry that people in the real world have [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► this perception that your career is over [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► with your know where you're nobody til [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► your carrier is completely finished 20 [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► years ago this no transfer come back [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► nobody cares about you and someone says [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► we'd like you to play the part of [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► someone who used to be big 20 years ago [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► used to do the job you did 20 years ago [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► was as big as you artwork 20 years ago [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► but right now it's nothing nobody knows [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► where he is and no one cares about you [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► that takes a certain amount of [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► confidence that it's fat it's [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► fascinating if you read the the the [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► trivia for this and I i'm sure it's that [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► this is actually true I mdp IMDb trivia [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► as opposed to made-up IMDb trip [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► jessica anderson it but they billy [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► wilder and Charles bracket went to a lot [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► of um silent movie film actresses to try [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► and convince them Mary Pickford and a [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► bunch of people maybe I'm a West and i [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► believe is Mary Pickford when they [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► pitched it to her [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► they could see her growing visibly [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► disgusting state they are telling the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► story and they just sort of like stop no [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► pal we are sorry for taking your time [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► we're going to go now please don't give [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► us that wasn't justice toughest Oh [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► actually we came we we contact you [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► because we wanted your car like all your [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► pardon her about want to be back again [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► to be a big big star [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► yeah we have at this place role of a [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► pathetic crazy old woman hysterically [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► think she still has a career and the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► first person we thought it was you [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► missed it again that got some of them [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► it's got to be like Oh a role again [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► yeah we worry i mean for Norma Desmond [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► that reacts to the same thing right it's [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► like is some proper was perfectly happy [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► to keep working in these the sloppy [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► sloppy movies to be a look at Acts [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► murderous to be paralyzing from [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► characters i was going to say that the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► scene where she does her bathing [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► beauties number [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► you can draw a direct line from that to [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► whatever happened to Baby Jane mm-hmm [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► those are very similar performances but [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► I don't know that I would consider this [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► a pathetic like the character is [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► pathetic [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► yeah but the performance you get to act [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► as much as you possibly can [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► uh-huh right you're guaranteed to get [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► anything water yeah Gloria Swanson is [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► terrific in this video she has and I [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► think a lot of that is because she she [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► was a silent actress and I mean the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► whole point of being a silent actress is [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► to overact as much as humanly possible [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► right you can't get it done with with [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► your with your voice and boy does she [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► ever [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► yeah and I think she was able to throw [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► her throw herself into the role very [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► well the fact is that unlike some of the [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► actresses that they approached she had [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► transitioned to radio and television and [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► stage she was still working she just [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► wasn't working in the movies and you [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► know when they approached her you know [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► she wasn't necessarily looking to go [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► back to the movies but she's kind of [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► like this is an interesting role like I [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► can see myself doing this and she was [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► not she was very good friends with [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► Michael kurties the director of [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► Casablanca he he said if you don't take [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► this rule you're you're you're dumb you [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► take the role not not every active [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► reactor could have taken this real [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► leader it really does require you to be [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► that kind of professional that can bury [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► your own ego and then in the interest of [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► making this character work because if he [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► if someone who is who is more self [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► invested in their own image would say [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► well i'm going to say that she's been [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► sort of wrong by these other people and [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► the reason why she turns out the way she [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► does because everybody's been bullying [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► her even though she's awesome and great [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► and she just sort of broke because of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► all this often pressured know she was [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► okay with saying that she was she's had [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► continuous problems in the 1990s or [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► 2,000 we might say that she was [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► exhibiting behaviors that were [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► diagnostically helpful by a trained [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► medical observer but she's willing to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► basically stripped herself of all this [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► dignity to become this person that again [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► she's living in this glass dome but as [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► soon as you put a crack in that dome [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► she's gonna do everything she has to [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► repair that and prevent a real air from [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► coming in I mean any talking about the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► present day i mean the the [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► this is a story also about fame and the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► insulating of fame right because she's [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► just she is insulated even though she's [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► lost it and you know she's got a pet [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► chimp she's cut max there sorry [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► well I peach and all those pictures of [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► her and do some respect for the cheat [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► she is insulated entirely from reality [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► here which famous people to this day our [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► are that the whole time I was watching [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► this I just couldn't stop thinking about [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► michael jackson and john over here you [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► got the end of his life I mean you know [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► not just because of the chimp but you [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► know how did by the fact that you know [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► she had nobody in his life who was going [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► to tell him no this is ridiculous what [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► you're doing he just had so much power [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► and he was insulated from the real world [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► and and yeah i mean he's certainly not [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► the only one that was just you know the [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► monkey made me think of that i wanted to [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► mention a counterpoint to Norma Desmond [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► there's a really nice scene very late [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► without Betty where Joe is talking to [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► Betty about her background and she says [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that she was going to be an actor but it [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► didn't work out she got her nose fixed [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► and because they said well you know [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► you've got a problem he knows she got [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► her nose fixed and then she came back [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and said yeah also you're not a very [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► good actor [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► sorry about the nose thing she says she [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► doesn't miss the spotlight and i really [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► love that because who do we know who [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► really really loves the spotlight and [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► and and she is happy to be [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► behind-the-scenes she wants to work in [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► the pictures she comes from a picture [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► family she's a script supervisor she [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► wants to be a screenwriter she's you [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► know she's interested in Joe so she's [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► not entirely on the right track she's [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► got some things about her that I met you [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► it's just it she is kind of a healthy [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► counterpart counterpoint to Norma [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► Desmond and I really like that scene [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► where she's she says that she doesn't [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► mean i'm gonna i'm going to counterpoint [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► your counterpoint ok ok [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► wow yeah QED i think actually Billy [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► Wilder kind of stacks the deck against [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► poor Norma in this movie and in fact [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► that whole the montage where they have [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► are getting ready for the part doing [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► these horrible [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► beauty things and fitness things that [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► was actually a a very bitter argument [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► broke out between billy wilder and and [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► Charles bracket the screenwriter the [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► coast screenwriter e over it [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► bracket thought it was too cruel and [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► Billy well this says I you're stupid and [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► they your parents like that too [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► they apparently came to to blows almost [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► over it and Billy Wilder got his way [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► cause he's the director and as soon as [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► the movie was over Billy Wilder inform [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► Charles bracket they would never work [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► together again and that was that Bow and [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► then Charles bracket with slowly in San [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► that he went mad [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► shampa got shot by greta garbo I I tend [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► to agree with Charles bracket i think [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► they they lay it on a little bit my [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► grave a little a little bit thick on on [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► poor Norma although although at the same [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► time it is kind of a you know it is a [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► critique of the the idea that continued [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► into this day and age of a woman of a [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► certain age being unable to get roles in [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► Hollywood because you know they've sort [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► of aged out of that demographic sure [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► it's it's a fine line to walk and I [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► think occasionally the movie trips over [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► the line yeah I I think you could say [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► that about a lot of thing I mean it is [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► very over inflated and very the whole [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► movie is kind of a not quite a pastiche [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► but right it is it is a grotesque it is [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► it's above and beyond sort of all think [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► it's funny how when he first drives in [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► and he sees the house my immediate [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► thought was that it was a great [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► expectations which he then calls out [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► like 30 seconds after i bought it you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► mentioned that was like oh okay well [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► we've hit the nail on the head there but [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► it is that sort of you know it is an [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► over-the-top movie as we in her acting [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► in the plot in in all that and it works [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► because it's in service of of the point [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► yeah I don't think the beauty routine at [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► the end is any any worse than anything [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► that we've seen going up to that point [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► to be honest with you in particular like [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► the the bathing beauty thing and that [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► her little chaplain routine which is one [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► of the most terrifying things ever see [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► here that discordant music by that it is [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► just super super creepy i'm actually [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► scared of Charlie Chaplin now because of [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► that scene [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► Buster Keaton probably appreciated that [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► watch him and I think all god you should [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► be CI told the chaplain was bad [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► obviously the the scene with with all [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► the beauty stuff that she does to me I [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► didn't it didn't seem like it was laying [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► on that thick because you guys it's not [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► that far removed from some of the stuff [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► i have done myself justice i was i was [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► the signal just about just now that if [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► they had really made this movie like [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► right now that seems there's been so [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► many knives or be so many needles it [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► would be like hammers and chisels that [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► was like mellow was anyone else impress [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► the Betty got her nose fixed for 300 [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► bucks when you think of me that was even [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► if I think in 1950 yeah my first thought [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► was why would a bargain but how much our [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► costs so mean i would have thought that [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► plastic surgery to get say like a minor [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► knows imperfection fixed you know was [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► something that came several decades [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► later and and she mentions it in such a [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► matter-of-fact way that it must have [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► been at least in Hollywood relatively [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► normal even then I don't mention just [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► one more thing which is how great the [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► atmosphere is put in that dilapidated [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► house with the a.m pool and the tennis [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► world is yours well done and in [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► particular the the little bit the very [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► small detail of the wind that causes the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► pipe organ Tom so yeah it is i think the [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► best thing in the movie for me as usual [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► anyone who plays a pipe organ is crazy [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► that's just so perfect because it always [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► the wind always seems to blow at exactly [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► the moment when a creepy organ note is [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► called for and I thought it was [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► fascinating to even think about you [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► going in I knew some of this stuff about [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the movie I knew that he was dead-- [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► going in because i actually got that [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► like a trivia question a few years ago [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► well it's it's a very well parody does [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► absolutely absolutely and and i think [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► but for me like sort of getting a handle [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► on a the movie was much funnier at parts [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► not expected though Billy Wilder of [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► course and b it is kind of a horror [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► movie right like oh she's playing the [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► Phantom of the Opera points [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► well yeah and it made me think a lot of [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► psycho to you know just in terms of [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► there are some similarities just in some [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► of the shots and some of the some of the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► treatment and the story structure it's [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► it's an interesting it's an interesting [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► movie because that's more interesting [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► than I initially thought it would be [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► it's so malleable you're right in that [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► you can you really could make it into a [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► car [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► maybe you could be interpreted as a [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► horror film kind of a black comedy yeah [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► black black comedy is what i think and [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► he said you could almost view it as a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► tragedy [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► no not almost that is exactly how i view [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► and that's that's actually why I'm not a [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► fan of this movie because I'm don't [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► generally like tragedies all that much [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► add I thought well I thought I had seen [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► this before and I didn't mean that i [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► hadn't liked it and i watched it and [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► realized actually I don't remember [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► anything about this but I still don't [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► like it because for me I just can't see [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► Norma Desmond as this character that i [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► was just watching it descend farther and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► farther into the depths of a very [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► uncomfortable mental health issue and it [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► I i know that there's dark humor to it [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► and I absolutely understand people [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► seeing it from those other perspectives [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► but for me it was just nothing but sad [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► sad sad all the way through and I was [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► just running out by the end and kind of [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► glad it was done [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► yeah it's more tragedy to me than [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► anything else as well is it and in [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► particular because everyone around her [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► as such sympathy for but had they have [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► no means of of changing anything and [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► they certainly can't fix her and any [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► attempts to do so just drive for further [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► down the path but I mean there's [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► certainly William Holden character [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► certainly has sympathy for as he comes [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► rushing back you know even though he's [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► disgusted with the way that he's been [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► around her you know it comes rushing [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► back after he hears that she's committed [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► or attempted suicide and the first [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► husband also is doing hanging around [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► traffic we can obviously Cecily to mill [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► you know is is is saddened and and not [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► sure what to do and and kind of box on [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► actually telling her that she's not [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► supposed to be in the picture and it's [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► just the whole thing is very very sad to [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► me and that to me was that kind of [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► overarching emotion that I took away [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► from it more than any of the comedy or [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► horror elements I don't think has the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► form of a tragedy like like a lucha de [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► la more which is kind of similar in [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► which it ends with the the major female [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► character having this total disassociate [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► of break only the Opera ends with her [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► dying actually and but the thing is it's [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► that's a proper that that's that's what [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► i consider to be a more traditional [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► tragedy and that we really don't want [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► you we were following this woman luchia [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► and we're trying to work every time [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► something bad happens [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► we're really not seeing it there anybody [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► else's eyes were really hoping all this [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► is terrible hope she makes her way out [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► of this but we're pretty sure that [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► because of the format of this opera [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► that's not gonna happen [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► the only thing that makes me not [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► primarily think of this movie is a [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► tragedy is that I think that she is the [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► figure Norma Desmond is the figure that [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► does things other people you know what [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► she's manipulating other people [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► constantly so that we don't feel badly [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► for her but we're more concerned about [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► what she's done to this poor director [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► who's throwing away his career when he [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► might go into the ok but its individual [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► its internal visual perception and what [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► your money says very very good too and [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► that will talk about this when we talk [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► about stall 17 but it's interesting when [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► used look at events that were kind of [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► common and throw away and maybe even [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► clichéd scenes that now but when we [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► look at when we have a scene in which we [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► see the men peeping at women showering [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► through a telescope [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► that's the law go huh wacky barracks hi [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► Jace is like know that that's a crime [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► that's terrible [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► you shouldn't be doing that horrible [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► you're you're all horrible people for [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► doing that when i was an english class [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► in tenth grade I remember you know when [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► we were learning about what tragedies [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► are you know the real basics are a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► tragic events an unhappy ending [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► you know that the main character falls [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► at the end and I think we do have all [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► those pieces but the one thing that my [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► teacher said that I always remember it [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► is that that for him the true hallmark [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► of the tragedy is that you can kind of [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► see it coming all the way through the [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► the fillmore the story and i think that [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► this I mean it [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► we start with the main main character [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► the POV character dead at the very [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► beginning of it all that's the least [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► tragic thing about it really i know and [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► then the other main character ends up in [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► jail [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► I just yeah I think there's there's no [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► truer definition for from from my broken [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► heart [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► at this point I feel for max to watching [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► his replacement move into the house [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► yeah I thought about that like he has to [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► watch finally got rid of that monkey and [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► I'm another haha so what you're [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► suggesting is that sunset boulevard is [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► about a director who murders of monkey [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► to get ready [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► crap well no my prequel is about that [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► all ok that's the wide sargasso sea of [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► sucks it that's a sunrise Boulevard nice [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► but i was reminded a lot strangely [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► enough of of let the right one in which [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► you know features the companion to the [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► oh yeah Empire the old companion [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► yeah and and the the new fellow comes in [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► the old one has to stand by and help her [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► out and watches the new guy sort of [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► takes over his position [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► it's a very sad many sad things in this [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► movie will you hold it [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► we haven't given a whole lot of props [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► we've talked about a Joe Gillis is [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► character building there buddy but what [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► about William Holden great float about [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► wonderful floater when you haven't got [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► William Holden I like William Holden not [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► afraid to be unsympathetic know yet [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► mostly I mean there's flashes here and [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► their sympathy I think there's he [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► brought a lot of nuances to the [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► character um I wound up seeing this [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► again after several years after Stalag [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► 17 so it was really interesting to watch [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► him inhabit a totally different type of [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► cynicism um you know yes he's still sort [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► of looking out for himself but in this [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► case you know he cares enough about Nora [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► at least you know 20 fears that she [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► tries to kill herself he goes back he [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► doesn't have to but he does he tries to [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► do the right thing at the end getting [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► Betty you know trying to remove himself [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► from the lives of these two women that [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► he feels that he needs to confess you [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► said he needs to get Betty back on track [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► to where she should be in his opinion [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► and and try to shake Nora out of Norma [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► Desmond out of her delusions even as [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► he's getting himself out but I liked how [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► holding himself intended to carry [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► himself he created so many tix for this [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► character there was constantly anytime [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► he had a bit of paper in his hand he [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► would start folding and rolling and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► playing with it as he's talking on while [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► he's writing always having the pencil in [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► his mouth and his ear things like that [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► he just really brought the character to [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► life for me I like he has a good [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► physicality to him too i mean it like [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► that scene where he goes in to see Betty [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► in her office and he sort of strikes a [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► pose like leaning against the door frame [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► but like it's staged right and you know [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► he's trying to present a certain [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► atmosphere this the sort of [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► devil-may-care and he's playing a [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► character even then with her it's very [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► different from the you know how he acts [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► when he's around Norma and I i really i [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► like holding a lot and I think he's good [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► in this movie so the end interesting [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► just bit of backstory is he was kind of [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► down and out at this point in his career [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► he he had a big splash in 1939 with [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► golden boy and then he spent most of the [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► forties making garbage and not being [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► very good and garbage either and so this [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► this this was kind of his his lifeline [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► in a way in a way he was sort of a male [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► Norma Desmond um getting back into the [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► the big swing of things and yeah it's it [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► it's a very uh nuanced performance I [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► think now he's a little wooden to me [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► must be why you float so LOL relations [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► hired him he's handsome enough fella and [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► and there's something sort of innately [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► likable about him i think and maybe [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► that's just because he is a handsome [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► fella and he carries himself well but [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► also there are points in this movie [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► where I feel like he's expected to emote [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► a bit more than he gives hmm there's not [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► a lot of there's not a lot of emotion [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► that comes out of him anything in this [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► or star like 7-8 well I would disagree [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► with install like 17 on there Steve [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► alright let's move on to start like 17 [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► which we're gonna brighten things up [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► with a story about a not be present a [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► prison camp so Steve was saying just [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► moments ago [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► it's interesting that he should bring up [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► William Holden so performance because [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► it's three years three years after [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► sunset boulevard was made and here is [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► Alex 17 which I feel is a very very [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► different kind of William Holden [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► performance a little bit more assured we [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► will have this discussion later but yes [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it's set in a prison camp where all the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► prisoners are apparently sergeants yes [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► and therefore and as the again voiceover [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► narration from [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► he was a sergeant explains yeah you get [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► all the sergeant's in the camp and no [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► one in everyone's uh getting in each [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► other spaces so you open saying how come [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► no one ever makes movies about prison [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► camps you know we're pretty great [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► watching us and we're doing is out they [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► should open with Dunbar floating [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► facedown in the water [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► I can't believe those crazy Nazi shot me [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► so yes so we are introduced to all the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► members of the prison camp William [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► Holden is sergeant Septon he is the I [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► guess you would call them the prison [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► camp cad the the scrounger he has how to [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► get things he knows how to get things [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► and he Parsons them out for her for [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► money in the form of cigarettes another [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► other Red Cross goods for anyone who's [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► seen shawshank redemption this is red [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► yes very good thank you very helpful uh [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► we meet some other people who are in [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► that in the barracks there's Robert [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► strauss who plays animal was great [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► yeah we'll look at reading about animals [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► great hat role you don't want to get in [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► here that's five officers look at his [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► Lord harvey went back who plays sir I [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► guess you're right Garrett has aged [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► really thick guy eddie's at ease at ease [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► i shave every 20 minutes and digital [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► ferret you always get as sergeant second [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► is to read and shawshank redemption [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► so is a animal to everything Brad gear [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► ever done [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► there's Harvey one back sergeant Shapiro [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► he's he's the sidekick 22 animal he's [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► just as contemptible there's Duke uh who [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► I I realized in this I hate more than [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► happy that he's that he's basically the [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► jerk of the barriers the greaser once [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► can you have that all you got to be [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► there's gonna be a jerk their surgeon [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► prices played by Peter Graves who was so [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► clean-cut nothing could be wrong with [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► look at that fine Teutonic posture and [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► then there's the the forgettable bag of [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► bones who plays the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► the head of the the chief of the [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► barracks who I I can't be bothered [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► anyhow the movie opens his Manfredi and [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► Johnson are trying to escape from Stalag [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► 17 it does not go very well because as [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► we quickly learned from all the various [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► escapes and plots going on in the prison [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► camp the Nazis have a mole in Stalag 17 [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► in the in that particular barracks so I [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► naturally the suspicion turns 27 because [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► he is not a team player yeah he is [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► clearly he clearly has ends with the [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► guards because he's always doing [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► trainings and getting to sneak over into [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► the the the Russian camp where they hold [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► the Russian women prisoners and you know [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► plot point that I've never really cared [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► for but we establish all this and then a [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► lieutenant is dropped into the prison [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► campus part of a prison transfer is on [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► his way to another camp and we find out [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► that he has a basically sabotage the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► train because he and his a little [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► searching buddy who is apparently the [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► rich little of the of the US Army in the [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► 1940s yeah we can add him to the [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► animated around animal with this animal [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► and just one hell of an audition now [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► that this there's a lot of characters [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► that I don't particularly care for in [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► this movie for a movie I generally like [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► um yeah so they apparently talking about [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► the the sabotage and again the Nazis are [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► wise to it and little attendant is taken [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► away and oh it was probably Septon who [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► who ratted them out except it wasn't [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► because as as he says just as the the [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► guys beat the living crap out of william [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► holden 2nd has the great line that it's [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► there are two guys that know I didn't do [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► me and the guy who did and so he spends [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► the last third of the movie trying to [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► figure out who the mole is [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► meanwhile the barracks help the [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► lieutenant escape worries he end up [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► hiding in a water tank while they try [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► and figure a way to get them out of the [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► Camp this is when a septum finally puts [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► two and two together and realize it's [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► that night [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► nice sergeant price has been tipping off [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► the Nazis because he's really secretly a [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► German I and he's a champ [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► yes he could not look more German it's [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► either him or that kid with the blog [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► pompadour [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► no I'm from Cleveland this is the exact [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► Snyder version of watchmen Ozymandias of [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► style like seven [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► there's no doubt it anytime yeah this [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► dude is is the spy why you want this [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► area in golden boy here now I'm not hard [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► to believe I was a little thrown when he [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► asked if you had seen a grown man naked [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► but beyond yeah [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► also he's the head of security for the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► barracks section but yeah sure [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► while the rest of that barracks really [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► suck selecting people they they really [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► they really vetted people out well [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► before they hide the lieutenant there's [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► a previous scene where they get them [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► that the way it works is that the the [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► the guy who's in charge of the other [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► prisoners gets them out into the yard [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► and then they do it little transfer [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► involving a chest piece and and what [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► happens is Septon basically hires in the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► Bering yes and seniors behind ya and [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► sees peter graves talking to him about [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► the situation room in this sergeant [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► schultz yeah i got all ripped off by [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► Hogan's Heroes yeah and they're talking [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► German and then setting goes on and then [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► he has to figure out window when to play [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► his hand in his hand is forced by the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► fact that they that they reveal the [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► location of lieutenant Dunbar to peter [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► graves and peter graves volunteers to be [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► the one to break them out of years and [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► I'm gonna get about a prison and so [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► septum has to move right then or the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► whole thing is up I'm gonna get him out [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► of prison and right into a nice firing [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► squad yeah and uh second makes a very [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► compelling case given the fact that [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► everyone in the barracks apparently [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► hates him that uh this nice clean-cut [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► young Aryan boy is in fact a Nazi double [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► agent and does have physical proof [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► there's the the if he didn't have that [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► chest piece in his jacket yeah [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► I don't think I don't think I would have [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► played for me well there's the Pearl [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► Harbor thing [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► yes yeah yeah also he slaps him which [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► seems to be what really causes everyone [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► take all right yeah an American wouldn't [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► take a slap [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► well then Peter Graves makes a bold for [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► it to which kind of cement yeah yes [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► Peter Peter Graves so it really does not [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► play his hand very well done well under [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► pressure [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► no it ain't just like a Nazi so yeah [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► good burn your Nazi's take that guys who [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► were defeated 6070 years ago so it ends [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► up being second who's going to sneak the [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► lieutenant out of the camp and he uses a [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► section price as the decoy where they at [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► the appointed hour thrown out of the of [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► the barracks the naughty prison guard [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► shoot poorer poor stupid peter graves [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► and William Holden escapes with the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► lieutenant and able to dominate her [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► after here for big boy job [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► yes just lie down to no one can hear you [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► over the gunfire all Death with Dignity [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► for Peter gray is really although I do [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► wonder how was his house his his attempt [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► to get dunbar and turn him over going to [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► work because all the same things still [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► apply when he leaves the building and [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► get them out of the tank they're just [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► all going to open fire on and I think he [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► was going to sneak over to the to [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► sergeant schultz and say hey is in the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► water tank and then they would have all [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► gone to the water tank yeah [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► nope just for the rest of the quicks [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► choose another day for sergeant schultz [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► because i keep just I can't get [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► seriously sick room and seeing ceremony [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► and public you Sigmund sacrum and now [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► start a previous old movie club entry of [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► mad at the Opera [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► oh that's right so this movie took me a [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► little by surprise because i looked at [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► the category was in i didn't i didn't [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► know anything about the plot or anything [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► but I saw the category as a war drama [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► and so I had my expectations set always [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► turns out this is where mash and Hogan's [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► Heroes and meatballs stole all the right [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► seriously this is absolutely a common [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► call and else [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► right you know yeah it's a straight up [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► comedy yeah I was not expecting comedy [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► and i'm watching it develop and at first [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► it's like okay yeah they're setting [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► things up and then the two strauss & [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► limbeck start and I'm just like no time [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► I i wrote down my note is this movie has [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► tone problems and i liked it i actually [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► liked it a lot but it is a really good [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► movie in spite of a lot but one of the [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► things about it is it you know you can't [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► say it's just a comedy because honestly [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► the last 25 minutes is really tense and [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► dramatic and interesting that's still [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► funny in a lot of ways the first act [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► features of features two murders [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► I don't think it is a not unlike Sunset [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► Boulevard say I think there are elements [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► of dark comedy I mean it is it is [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► definitely darkened are definitely tense [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► moments but it's still overall I mean [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► it's not like it's not it's not quite [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► the great escape right like it's not [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► it's not just a like straight-up action [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► right yours in victory with sylvester [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► stallone okay Leigh I wind up here or [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► Bridge on the River Kwai with William [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► Holden to talk about the term problems [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► though I mean mobile my problem with it [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► is like it and and you're absolutely [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► right mash I i had a lot of mesh [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► feelings in this especially when they [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► showed off the still ready to play yeah [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► okay so William Holden looks a little [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► too much like Frank Burns for company [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► that's true that's true as a weasel but [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► the beginning of the movie is the part [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► that I had the biggest problem with [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► because its broad and a nes and the [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► problem i have with it is they are [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► prisoners of war in Nazi Germany and I [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► honestly it took me a while to get over [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► the fact that they are joshing with a [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► sig ruman and it's all just kind of [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► wacky and zany and yeah things are tough [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► but we're all just getting on and making [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► things work and I don't know it it felt [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► like it needed to feel a little bit [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► grimmer than that for me to really kind [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► of buy into the movie and I got there [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► eventually because the tone actually [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► does turn about half an hour in but that [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► last half hour slider Vicki and yeah [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► there's that scene where the the rich [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► little of the third uh-huh [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► God put some that they'll wear the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► Hitler mustaches and are doing writable [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► the Hitler thing that's a weird at that [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► must have played great in 1953 but it's [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► not so kind of kind of disturbing yeah I [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► take off your moustaches [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► I don't know why I laughed my ass off at [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► the head one here I think it's funny I [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► think it's funny but a lot of this movie [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► is contextual right i mean it is a movie [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► that's much much closer to world war two [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► and we don't have the you know 70 years [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► of hindsight when they're when they're [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► making this but I think it's pretty [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► funny I my favorite scene for humorous [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► to see where they convince the german [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► car to play volleyball to distract him [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► from the radio antenna LOL i am [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► delighted that German that is beautiful [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► oh my god [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► here's a wire leading from the from the [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► volleyballs in that into the barracks [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► I've got all but yes I that means [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► nothing to me a lot of things probably [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► distracted by yeah these are not you you [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► imagine it places the stereotype that if [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► you could if you're really good at being [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► brave and shooting at people they [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► wouldn't keep you a member of war camp [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► party people [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► this is everything I could not be more [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► delighted with that German guard he's [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► always been saying included in the [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► volleyball team even though he has no [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► idea how to clap ya hands over his gone [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► over this is pretty serious team that is [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► hilarious and then when he gets caught [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► then he sort of a whoever whoever it is [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► that he handed his gun to just sort of [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► sheepishly hands it over to the the more [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► with it guard that caught my eye i do [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► agree that that it has a bit of a tone [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► problem that you know i would think i [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► like this movie but i think i would love [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► it if they would have taken out every [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► single animal seen ya been able to do [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► that you know when you talk about like [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► the the guard with the volleyball which [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► is ridiculous [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► um and those types of things I mean yes [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► it's comical but the Germans for the [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► most part are the butt of the jokes so [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► especially at that time I can understand [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► the the idea of humor and especially in [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► the humor that's directly pointed at the [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► Germans as look at them you know they [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► lost the war and this is why because [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► they're dumb enough to hand their gun to [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► wanted to some guy playing volleyball [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► and forget about what he's supposed to [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► be doing just remember that just because [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► they're dumb doesn't mean they're stupid [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► that's right before [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► wanna go good point i really wish that I [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► was trying to find a copy of the of the [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► actual stage play was wondering if the [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► stage play was all of the serious [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► dramatic stuff inside the barracks and [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► all the funny stuff that's outside the [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► barracks estar stuff they added open up [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► the world little bit and make it more of [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► a movie the exact opposite robert stroud [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► strauss-kahn Lembeck we're both in the [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► play i believe that shows that they have [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► their timing down perfectly so they can [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► do their comedy bits and animal can just [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► make a face and that's all they need to [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► do and I would like to propose that this [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► is the opposite of a regular movie where [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► you have a drama and then these two [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► idiots as comic relief i think this is a [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► comedy with moments of dramatic really [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► and it was a relief it's actually one of [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► the things that I want to mention was [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► that this definitely feels stage ii and [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► in fact i think that the contrast [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► between the drama and comedy is one of [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► the things that made it feel really [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► stage you to me because I can corner [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► sort of imagine how after you have the [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► scene of of kind of with dramatic [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► tension you also want to have some some [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► comedy bits happening in the foreground [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► on the side of the stage and it feels [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► like that like what like you know [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► ok and this scene is over and now we're [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► going to go back to over here we've got [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► some more weight wacky prison antics and [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► it keeps going back and forth the whole [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► thing is that there is a sort of a [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► premise happening here even within the [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► movie right like they're putting up a [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► front about hey we're just here you know [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► relaxing is where prisoners of war what [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► can we do will be no here for the [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► inspections when they come through and [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► then when the Germans are out of the [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► room you know a lot of times they're [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► doing our Kayla's can be in our [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► committee let's talk about escapes let's [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► talk about all this writing in the beer [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► easy there is a premise yes Eric there's [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► a fiction they're presenting to the [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► guards and like this whole relationship [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► even with Schultz to is you know him [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► like a that dropping the dead right like [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► that they have kind of this weird [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► relationship it's almost not quite it's [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► like a fiction of Stockholm Syndrome [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► almost and so I i'm ok with the tone [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► exercise i saw this movie the first time [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► I don't know 10 15 years ago and I i [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► really i remember being startled by then [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► as I think many of you were now not [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► going into it and not really knowing [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► what it was about especially cuz i think [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► he's shortly around this time i also saw [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► Bridge on the River Kwai is it is Erica [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► saying another William old movie [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► you that's about a prison camp on the [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► other side of the world but you know and [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► I do appreciate you that he makes a [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► comment at some point about like if you [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► get out you just end up flying and then [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► end up in Japanese prison camp like the [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► only I love hard all William Holden that [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► I don't know what's comin one of my [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► favorite books is actually the great [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► escape the non-fiction book from which [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► the heavily fictionalized movie was made [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► at least the book says it's nonfiction [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► there was no the one where the British [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► prisoners are British [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► yes and from that book and from other [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► POWs escaped books I've read they were [TS]