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00:00:01   the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1">TS</a>]

00:00:05   number 330 a pastor larry 27 welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/5">TS</a>]

00:00:13   back everybody to the uncomfortable i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15   your host Jason Steele we're here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/15">TS</a>]

00:00:16   talk about v for vendetta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/16">TS</a>]

00:00:19   this is a comic from the eighties by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/19">TS</a>]

00:00:23   Alan Moore and David Lloyd over many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/23">TS</a>]

00:00:26   years in the eighties it was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   like a few of the album or earlier more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   projects sort of stopped and then had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   be restarted a few years later and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   were unpublished issues but the beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/34">TS</a>]

00:00:37   of it is in the end they collected it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   it as a giant trade paperback that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   the whole thing in it and so if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/41">TS</a>]

00:00:42   been if you read it at any point after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   the late eighties you've probably read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47   it in book form which is well I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48   the best way to read and we are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/48">TS</a>]

00:00:51   we'll talk about that maybe a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/51">TS</a>]

00:00:52   for those who on the panel who who read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   it and we'll also talk about the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   which is a much more accessible in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/56">TS</a>]

00:00:59   ways from 2005 directed by james [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   McTeague who is a longtime collaborator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   of the Wachowskis they didn't direct it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/65">TS</a>]

00:01:09   because they had James matete do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   they did write it and produce it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   there's a lot of which house key in be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   for vendetta as well of course the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   stars natalie portman and hugo weaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   in a very interesting performance in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/79">TS</a>]

00:01:24   many ways like trivia question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/84">TS</a>]

00:01:25   interesting as well as I think good let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/85">TS</a>]

00:01:28   me introduce my panelists we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/88">TS</a>]

00:01:29   talk about the data with me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/89">TS</a>]

00:01:31   that's something i should probably do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/91">TS</a>]

00:01:33   laughing there why not have her go first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   with Briana well hello hey what's up by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   jason still you know not much not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   going on the current events kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   quiet yeah yeah so I thought you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   dip into the past into the mid-2004 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/103">TS</a>]

00:01:46   movie pic ships others also here hi chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/106">TS</a>]

00:01:49   hi there this was the most unexpected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/109">TS</a>]

00:01:50   use of the benny hill music I ever haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/110">TS</a>]

00:01:54   i have comments about that scene a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57   little bit but we'll get to brian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   hamilton is also here hi Brian tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   Jason do you like music uh yeah sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   music is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   boom explosion guy English is here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/125">TS</a>]

00:02:08   been a little while high guy welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/128">TS</a>]

00:02:09   back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/129">TS</a>]

00:02:10   hey it's really nice to be here i miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   we missed you too yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   well you know what for three years I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   Moses and apologize to no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   alright and fill most lachrymose well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24   didn't know guy was gonna be here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   I'll still stay anyway cases this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/146">TS</a>]

00:02:27   strength through unity you got tricked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/147">TS</a>]

00:02:30   we totally got tricked into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   yeah I I didn't tell anybody guy would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   be here because i wanted i wanted to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/154">TS</a>]

00:02:36   whole panel to show up so surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/156">TS</a>]

00:02:39   so how so how many of you have read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   comic I'm curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   oh absolutely yeah i've read it when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   was first coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/165">TS</a>]

00:02:46   wow yeah me too i walked into ides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48   comics in pittsburgh and loved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51   artwork and was fascinated by it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54   never read it interesting and Brian's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/174">TS</a>]

00:02:58   can stay here and play listen while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/178">TS</a>]

00:02:59   everyone else talks about the comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/179">TS</a>]

00:03:00   comic is it is a lot and it's very dense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/180">TS</a>]

00:03:06   it's you know it's really more because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   it started in 80-82 it's fairly early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   its it really reminded me of a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   comics published in England in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/193">TS</a>]

00:03:18   period that I've read it had at the art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   style really look like that it's it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23   it's super dense and because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25   published in the eighties the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/205">TS</a>]

00:03:26   publishing like the color and contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   techniques I i was trying to read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/208">TS</a>]

00:03:31   in a dimly lit room and was literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/211">TS</a>]

00:03:33   unable to read it i had to get my ID to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35   turn on a bright light in order to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   it because the it is you know it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/217">TS</a>]

00:03:41   just the the nature of the publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   medium in that in that time especially I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   was originally black and white so on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/225">TS</a>]

00:03:48   of that they're there colorizing black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   and white art and that's it's a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   rough go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/233">TS</a>]

00:03:54   yeah yeah it is step for people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   seen the movie what you should know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/236">TS</a>]

00:03:57   about the comic i mean i-i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   good it is super dense it to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/239">TS</a>]

00:04:02   where i was reading a couple of articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/242">TS</a>]

00:04:03   about how they felt like you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/243">TS</a>]

00:04:07   what exactly what you'd expect which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08   a look at allen more comic adaptation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   first off he took his name off the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   because he takes his name off every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/252">TS</a>]

00:04:13   every movie but a lot of people will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/253">TS</a>]

00:04:14   like oh well you know it's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   movie is so simplified compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   comic and it's true the comic is so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   comic is so dense so much happens in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   comic that the streamlining they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/262">TS</a>]

00:04:25   do a tremendous amount of streamlining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   for the movie but you know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   the shape of it and specific memorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   scenes in it are reflected in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/271">TS</a>]

00:04:34   movie as well I came to the movie first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35   and went back and read the comics yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   i did the same thing in the comic yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/277">TS</a>]

00:04:40   i see the brilliance there but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42   an eel students and you know novel in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/282">TS</a>]

00:04:46   the sense it's so big and it's so dense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   it so would like benefit from editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   it's just a hot mess right out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/291">TS</a>]

00:04:54   I think it's worth remembering that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/294">TS</a>]

00:04:55   the time comics were directed and alan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/295">TS</a>]

00:05:00   moore almost single-handedly Alan what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/300">TS</a>]

00:05:03   bunch of other British people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/303">TS</a>]

00:05:04   Thatcher's England sort of recreate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   art form in a lot of ways everything we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   know about that man now came out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   basically when you can see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   techniques that are used to use for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/312">TS</a>]

00:05:13   years later and watch men at work at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   which is better like heat you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18   learned any girl and yeah it's dense yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/321">TS</a>]

00:05:22   yes certainly going back to try to beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   it is is hard i personally love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   movie I didn't really like the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   movie which is a comic book nerds are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   gonna take my card guys touching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/330">TS</a>]

00:05:33   third well no I i'm with you guys i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36   with you i like it and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   Alan Moore loves the medium of comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   books he loves it and he is an artist in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/340">TS</a>]

00:05:43   that medium and what he's good at is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   leveraging that so when you take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/346">TS</a>]

00:05:47   work and you put in a different medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   by necessity you must omit various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/349">TS</a>]

00:05:53   aspects of it and i think particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/353">TS</a>]

00:05:56   this movie but even watch me too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   particularly this movie is very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   film based off of that the same ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/360">TS</a>]

00:06:03   and and the root the root of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/363">TS</a>]

00:06:07   that he was trying to tell them beefing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   data and this was one of the craziest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/369">TS</a>]

00:06:10   for in the way of comic book movies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/370">TS</a>]

00:06:14   was adapted for the for film that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/374">TS</a>]

00:06:18   way different than anything anybody had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   seen like I mean hugo weaving is i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   we're talking obviously about this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   like the fact that he has a mask on for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/386">TS</a>]

00:06:29   the entire film is literally unheard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/389">TS</a>]

00:06:33   i am hosting this entire show wearing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   mask and you can only hear my voice you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   can see my face at all just throwing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   out there beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   it's an honor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41   yeah no it'sit's it's amazing will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   there i was going to say something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/403">TS</a>]

00:06:44   the way the story is told that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47   it has this meandering history it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/407">TS</a>]

00:06:50   comic in a in a larger collection which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/410">TS</a>]

00:06:53   is something that happened in the UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/413">TS</a>]

00:06:55   where they be a magazine that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/415">TS</a>]

00:06:56   different stories in it and warrior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   magazine yes so you get the i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   say it's almost de ken zijn in the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/421">TS</a>]

00:07:04   that these AR installments and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/424">TS</a>]

00:07:07   you know the way I think more had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   endgame in mind but one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/430">TS</a>]

00:07:14   that you have to do some work when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   turn this into a movie is because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/436">TS</a>]

00:07:19   comic is episodic it is stretched out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   can meander it can go in lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   different twists and turns and take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   long time because not only is it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   any comic an issue by issue sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   thing it wasn't done as a novel but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/450">TS</a>]

00:07:33   addition to that it was done in small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   installments inside another magazine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   then it got a delay and then it got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   know published years later some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   things got so it ended up being a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/461">TS</a>]

00:07:42   stretched out narrative I'm sure when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   most says you know it you could be i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   think was most maybe was guide when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   say almost like a rough draft and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   could be tightened I mean that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   problem of writing in installments is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   you don't get to go back and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/475">TS</a>]

00:07:56   changes so it is sprawling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   meandering in a way that that that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   movie you would never choose if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   could do a rewrite of the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/482">TS</a>]

00:08:03   when you were done but comics at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   like that not only installments but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   also just it brackets it brackets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/487">TS</a>]

00:08:11   watchman the first two parts of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   were written between in the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   eighties not booked and released like 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   to 85 and then I believe warrior folded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/498">TS</a>]

00:08:22   so look the the comic is divided into 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/502">TS</a>]

00:08:26   into 3 books and the first two made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/506">TS</a>]

00:08:29   into warrior then the story just stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/509">TS</a>]

00:08:33   more makes a name for himself at DC with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/513">TS</a>]

00:08:38   Swamp Thing and other stuff watch men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   becomes a thing and DC gives more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/520">TS</a>]

00:08:44   opportunity to finish v for vendetta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   with the third book which was written so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/526">TS</a>]

00:08:49   much later so it's not just episodic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/529">TS</a>]

00:08:52   it's it's it's it's it's free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   admitted at least in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   morning he had to get back into his head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   space to write the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/538">TS</a>]

00:08:59   yeah I came in for the third book i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   working at the comic store at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   and when that came out and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05   mind-blowing for everybody but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   in in some ways it's like tell me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   story spider-man and Jason know your big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   fan so you can tell me the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   spider-man there's no story of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   spider-man need like he's moscato ours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   gets his powers any you know is uncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   dies and now he's you know great power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   great responsibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23   go like there's no there's no artoo it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/563">TS</a>]

00:09:26   unlike watchman which is a fully plucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/566">TS</a>]

00:09:29   out very carefully plotted out from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   beginning to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/571">TS</a>]

00:09:32   also the character of EV is just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/572">TS</a>]

00:09:35   really the same you know like this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   comic book is very much a product of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/577">TS</a>]

00:09:40   the eighties right and it's clearly up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   that that low level 80 sexism image in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/582">TS</a>]

00:09:46   spite of every single tournament that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   it's every single bad trope like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   your rape being used to like good just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   as to come titillate the the reader and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/593">TS</a>]

00:09:56   you know a shortcut for character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58   development is just she's not as good a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/598">TS</a>]

00:10:01   character at all and I think it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   speaks to you about the witch house case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/603">TS</a>]

00:10:06   ability to write a more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/606">TS</a>]

00:10:07   character there and natalie portman's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   ability to play it actually agreed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   killing joke suffers from the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   yeah but so much of that DNA from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   comic does make it into the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/616">TS</a>]

00:10:19   because it is following the bones of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/619">TS</a>]

00:10:22   plot so some of the things that I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   really problematic in the comic about EV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/625">TS</a>]

00:10:28   are still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   despite Natalie perform important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   performance and despite you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   refinements along the way it's still can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/634">TS</a>]

00:10:38   i use the word squeaky i'm going to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   the words which is what we watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   movie tonight he doesn't he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   frankly just be a figment of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   imagination for particularly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   those actions that he takes it to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   impact on the world but effectively he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   the inspiration for her changing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   nanny is the inspiration and the agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   of change for everybody that's whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   all standing outside the building in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   Parliament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/661">TS</a>]

00:11:01   and it blows up sure he sent to train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/661">TS</a>]

00:11:04   but ultimately bit blows up because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07   the people right accepted his message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/667">TS</a>]

00:11:10   and showed up on mass to to protest it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/670">TS</a>]

00:11:13   and we see that story too easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   transition from being sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/675">TS</a>]

00:11:18   almost a functionary of the machine to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   completely rejecting it anyway I'd I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/680">TS</a>]

00:11:24   think that's why we don't see his face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/684">TS</a>]

00:11:25   basically he's an idea not not a man so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/688">TS</a>]

00:11:29   let's talk about v in the film Hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/689">TS</a>]

00:11:32   Weaving yeah plays this i believe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   shot for a week or two with a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   actor and then and then that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   replace that actor and Hugo Weaving came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   in and so there may be a few shots in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   this movie where where he is it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/702">TS</a>]

00:11:46   Hugo Weaving but i believe in large part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/706">TS</a>]

00:11:48   he's there and he's acting and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   presumably they looked his dialogue but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   it's still it's him and it's quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/714">TS</a>]

00:11:55   oh you know I think I think it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   vocal performance and a great physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   performance and such as a dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   decision to have I mean in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/722">TS</a>]

00:12:05   comic every panel everybody's face is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08   frozen in a comic right i mean get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/728">TS</a>]

00:12:10   with it but in a movie to do that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/730">TS</a>]

00:12:14   i think it's a bold decision and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   it really works because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   physicality and because of the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/738">TS</a>]

00:12:19   that it is but he you know the fact is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   we doesn't have a name he's just V we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   learned that that although he likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   alliteration because you know he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   that whole speech with all ever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   every word that starts with v is in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   speech he's room 5 from the testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   facility where he was kind of created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   recreated and you know he doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/757">TS</a>]

00:12:40   name and we never see his face and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/760">TS</a>]

00:12:43   guys right he you you could view him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   being and he I think maybe infuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   himself as the embodiment of an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   more than a person he's most akin to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/769">TS</a>]

00:12:52   as the Joker in the Dark Knight i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/772">TS</a>]

00:12:55   reading the comics so I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/775">TS</a>]

00:12:56   any of the Joker's established backstory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/776">TS</a>]

00:12:59   is but to me in the dark knight the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/779">TS</a>]

00:13:02   joker is just a symbol of chaos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   wonderfully performed by Keith ledger in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   the same way hugo weaving is simply an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09   idea man behind the mask is not as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12   of him but he's the idea they hammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   that home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/794">TS</a>]

00:13:14   in the movie a lot and the fact that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   know going back to the fact that he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/797">TS</a>]

00:13:18   a mask the whole time in a comic you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   have the separate drawings and words and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   in the movie you have both his vocal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   performance and his physical performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   it's not a David Prowse james earl jones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   situation it is hugo weaving through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   through and that shines through in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   performance to make it more coherent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   I'm glad you got a better because i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/816">TS</a>]

00:13:37   gonna say that he's probably the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   example of a character that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   kind of ya reads and understands right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   that it had does epistatic mask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   it's interesting that we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/826">TS</a>]

00:13:47   about the character as an idea in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/827">TS</a>]

00:13:51   movie compared to the idea in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/831">TS</a>]

00:13:55   up the book really leans into like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/835">TS</a>]

00:13:58   anarchism yes LOL the whole point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/838">TS</a>]

00:14:01   whole point of the graphic novel is alan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/841">TS</a>]

00:14:04   moore pretty much defending anarchism as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   a philosophy v is right up there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/846">TS</a>]

00:14:10   know he wants to get everybody to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11   land of do as you please and and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/851">TS</a>]

00:14:15   before that there's going to be a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   of K chaos that he calls the land of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/857">TS</a>]

00:14:20   take what you want but he says that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/860">TS</a>]

00:14:21   gotta get if you're going to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   authoritarianism and totalitarianism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/864">TS</a>]

00:14:25   you're going to have the chaos before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   you get to this philosophy of everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   taking personal responsibility and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   everybody who making collective order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/872">TS</a>]

00:14:35   and something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/875">TS</a>]

00:14:36   not a whole lot of that comes through in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   the movie he's more of a generic agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/878">TS</a>]

00:14:41   of chaos slash freedom fighter then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/881">TS</a>]

00:14:45   know there's not a whole lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/885">TS</a>]

00:14:46   anarchists philosophy into this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   and what I think that's what Alan Moore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   had a problem with because you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   know not everybody accepts that real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/893">TS</a>]

00:14:54   well no one really accept this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   when it came out if your recall it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/896">TS</a>]

00:14:59   kind of and bye-bye reviews severely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/899">TS</a>]

00:15:03   you know so but you you come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/903">TS</a>]

00:15:04   straight up with an with anarchists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   cookbook on film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   no no no what no one's no one's gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   for that real well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   well I mean so this is the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   eighties in Thatcher's UK this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   beginning of the punk movement this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/915">TS</a>]

00:15:18   akin and it is certainly part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   family of that entire movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   I mean that's where we get the anarchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/923">TS</a>]

00:15:24   symbol firm which is it's no mistake to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   be simply yellow like the animals real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   because they're down obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31   yeah exactly an obvious shadow is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   is relevant when the audience when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   made this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/936">TS</a>]

00:15:37   no I don't think so but I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/937">TS</a>]

00:15:40   took what was development for the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   and they the jigger the politics behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/942">TS</a>]

00:15:45   a little bit in order to tell his story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   that would land the same points but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   would be more relevant for the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/950">TS</a>]

00:15:51   CII have to give a little bit push back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/951">TS</a>]

00:15:54   on that I think I it's very clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57   Elmore's interpretation be was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   definitely you know in his anarchist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/959">TS</a>]

00:16:02   libertarian view point i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/962">TS</a>]

00:16:05   beauty of the film in the the book like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/965">TS</a>]

00:16:08   the physical book that went along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/968">TS</a>]

00:16:09   the film is it really you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/969">TS</a>]

00:16:13   isn't written by you know a white guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/973">TS</a>]

00:16:16   it's a much much deeper perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   about you know societies that oppressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/978">TS</a>]

00:16:22   people and I think it's much deeper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/982">TS</a>]

00:16:23   because of that V the reading of him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/983">TS</a>]

00:16:27   the movie is so much deeper he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30   like a a joker agent of chaos there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33   lot of duality there if he's a villain a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   terrorist our hero and you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/996">TS</a>]

00:16:39   this film and see it completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   legitimately both ways he tortures EV he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   water board's her he you know he there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:47   a scene where he talks about he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   monster and he's been broken by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   things have happened to him to do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   good thing he does in the movie is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   TV make the decision to do the train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   down exactly it's why this movie really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1017">TS</a>]

00:17:00   appeals to me i mean i think most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   that know me in my real life no you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   i am someone else out there every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   working for change i think people to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:11   that invested in it there's an anger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:14   sometimes it kind of drives you with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:17   that about the things have been done to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   you along the way to make you feel so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   strongly about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:22   so when I see be wrestling with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   part of himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   it's it's real to me and yeah I also say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:30   I realized there were some critics that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:31   didn't like this movie when it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   to me this came out at the height of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:36   bush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:36   administration in the middle of the Iraq [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   war and I remember everybody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:41   outgoing seeing it like four times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   the theater and people loving so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:46   know that was mine I think you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   really make the argument that V in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   in the movie is very specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:55   pushing back against an oppressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:57   government and V in the book is pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1077">TS</a>]

00:18:00   back against society the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:03   everything right he's a is an anarchist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   he he wants to push back on anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:08   the VA and the film is more targeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   because there is you know that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:13   this the fascist regime in Britain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   he is he is specifically pushing back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   against which I do think is also part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   yes being a mid-2000 film that night's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   the politics that they were most that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   was closest to them and therefore they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   were most concerned by and also he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   pushing against the V is pushing against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:33   two different kinds of fascism or or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:36   two different characterizations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   authoritarianism in the book of the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   in the book you don't have John Hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   staring at you screaming from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   viewscreen but you just it's totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:47   personal in the film in a way that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:51   book is not it's more but it's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:52   clash of ideas kind of thing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:55   leader Adam Susan in the book is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:59   more passive then the then Adam sutler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:03   is in the movie and I think I happy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:06   I think that influences that influences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:09   how he is played in the book and film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   the reactionary elements to it like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   how they are characterizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:14   quote-unquote enemy that the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17   effectively it depends on the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   under which the book or the movie are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:21   being written at the time and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:24   that in the eighties it characterized so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:28   reflected like Thatcherism and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   mechanism at and I think of his reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33   to that and in the two thousands we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36   a bit of a different setup right little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   it was a different circumstance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:42   certainly the plate pretty loud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   clear about like taking people away for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:47   yeah right well but we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   understood what was to be galvanized by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   certain events that happened and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   were all right go go let's get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:57   let's get them kill kill kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:58   yeah right and so it right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   there's this is the this is the pretext [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   the you know if you go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   Reichstag fire right it's the pretext [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   that allows the movement that allows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:09   government to become completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10   authoritarian and in this case it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   u.s. having a plague and a nuclear war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:16   and being you know falling apart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   then we also discovered there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   a couple attacks on British soil and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   that all leads to this complete takeover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   by the fascist government in in Britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:31   so we so we think that's the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:32   party line right but that's not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   be find out we find out they cut it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:37   an inside job Bryce yeah right and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:41   one scene where you where you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:42   bits of hugo weaving face it gives me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:45   gives me pause of those scenes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   we have we saw post 911 right that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:51   one of the great conspiracy theories was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:52   it's an inside job it was all set up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   was all pretext and you know in v for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   vendetta that's exactly what it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   that that I makes me makes me pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:02   because that sign that kind of way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   thinking led to people down kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   wacky fantasy rabbit hole and conducted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:10   very introduction and here it's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   in the plot i want to ask about John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:13   Hurt I think the user john hurt here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   fascinating first column John Hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   whoo-hoo as we record this just passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:20   great actor what's interesting here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   so he was Winston Smith in the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   1984 and it is i think no mistake about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:29   how he's deployed here a little not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32   using the character guy who was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   nineteen eighty-four but by having him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   not be a person until the like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   scene but a face on a screen huge screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:43   I mean they really make him into big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   brother that is that is absolutely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   intent is to make a sutler a big brother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:51   figure and having a page on her who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52   in nineteen eighty-four is icing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:55   cake there it's hard to believe he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   Winston Smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   when his big brother I guess he learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:00   to love himself i I don't know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:03   like that hurt is is he's great he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:06   kind of frosting when he needs to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:07   shouting when he needs to but he's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08   there on the screen i want to mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   that one of the most fascinating uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   have hurt in this entire thing is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   comedy sketch on stephen Fry's suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:17   subversive comedy show that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   with the benny hill music with yakety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:20   sax playing in the background they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   a they have a sutler impersonator that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   they're doing this comedy sketch around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   and the movie just uses John her to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   that guy which I think it's so amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   it's like it's just john heard with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   darker facial hair and stuff but I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   pancake wife like ask somebody to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:38   like John heard in a comedy sketch when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:41   you can just have John Hurt bv excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:44   impersonation of Joan Harris one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:48   reasons i love this movie is that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   and one of the reasons i was considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   be as a good imaginary figment we see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:57   scene where a young girl who's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   spray-painting like she's been following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   the v story since the beginning like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04   like the second scene but he's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   seen spray-painting the TV logo we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:09   her get shot and then we see her in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   final scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:13   yes as they all take off their masks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   there's people that we know to be dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:18   yes open love held non-literal the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   is and that's why i love the idea that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   like this is this is conceptual there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:27   there's a lot of reality to the fellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   right like alive to the camera shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   that they deliberately have day they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   make a real point to pull the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35   back and have these slow shots around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37   people's faces to just show the reacting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:40   to it and the way the movie is i edited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   in a nonlinear way we're just is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   constantly bringing back these themes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:48   from the past like running through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   series of events it is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   constructed to be a very surreal i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:56   it's it's what makes this very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   than any other which house key project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   right like it'sit's um it's like a dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:04   it really is i find it's I mean out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   all this stuff done this this is way up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   there like why is Vee sitting up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   is dominos not amazing but it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   awesome though so he does it had access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   your time to make his low yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   Domino yeah yer yeah it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   it looks awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   you don't question it nice work and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25   one left standing which oh yeah I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   to go let Eevee like decided to let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:30   train go not its is this like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:35   best lines of movie is it artists use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   lies to tell the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   this movie is a slice don't do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:43   and it's very aware of it i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   comic book did the same thing and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:48   really respect it's it's constructed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:51   incredibly well way so a much lesser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:54   movie would show those faces in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:59   crowd at the end and juxtapose them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:03   with a black-and-white shot of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   appearance previously you make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   wonder like what you can remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   like this movie doesn't even want out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   like i don't think it even cares if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   realize that those people are I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15   it's just bonus points if you do if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   see you see the girl there you see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:21   gallery there right yeah yeah we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   Stephen Fry you see Stephen Fry there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   exactly right that these people we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   to be dead but they're uh they're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:31   crowd at the at the end and i like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:34   i really like how Valerie is treated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   throughout the film because one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   things that we see is the first time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   see her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:41   it's in a flashback from the the test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   grounds at Larkhill where be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47   experimented on right and we see her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   just as a random victim contestants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   alignment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:53   oh yeah we see her alive in a line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56   then we see her dead in the pit and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:59   we get her flash back later and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:02   also see her face at the end and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   haunting because you know the movie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   not trying to tell us anything literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:07   at the end I feel like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   that's just a reminder of these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   you know these are also people and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:15   judge it they're not ghosts they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   you know they're not anything they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   the people who are triumphing their part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:23   of the group of people who are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:24   trying things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:24   over this this terrible regime that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   all I i think it's it's a real call to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   action at the end I think it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   we should all do very well to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:35   today like it goes for people that gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   their lives to get to that point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:41   showing these are all people that stood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   up that did what they could some played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46   small part some point very large parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   but it's all part of what led to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   and I think that is the the extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:53   moving message at the end of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   Jason I have to say it's like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   mentioned Valerie that whole subplot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:00   cannot watch it right now just breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   down like I tried tonight I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:05   watching you tonight and the quote they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   say the beginning the shoulders from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:08   that you know roses for three years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:11   Apollo is no one like you to fellate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   what a beautiful scent and structurally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   I mean not only is it amazingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   beautiful but structurally and it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   this in the comic to write but you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   do it in a comic I feel like butt in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:22   in a a motion picture with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   action and a huge budget right the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   stops to tell her story it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29   little anthology short story inside this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:33   other movie and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   interleaved a little bit where he is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   being processed and tortured and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   then going back to her cell and reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:40   a little bit more so they try to but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   essentially that segment of the movie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   about Valerie's story that's what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   about 90 right in the middle of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:48   yeah right dead center if it weren't for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:51   that segment of the movie i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   consider this movie irredeemable oh ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:58   irredeemable because i have some I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:02   real problems in both the comic and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   movie i have real problems with what V [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06   does TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   oh god yeah oh yes mmm I grout queer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:11   Mississippi right like it's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   playing on hard but right it's stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   you know the the whole scene with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   Valerie where she is you know these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:20   the fears that every single queer person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:23   you know all the real Jew house on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   very very deep level and it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:29   movingly done and I just I cannot watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:32   this entire scene without just breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:36   down dirty crying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38   like I was on a plane at last time I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   this like I'm in first class and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:43   weeping everybody's there staring at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:45   because it's so emotionally done so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:49   just don't I know I I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:53   there's so much wider meaning there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:57   her death and you know the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   dies given to natalie portman then push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:02   her on to the next level I just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   it's brilliantly done and it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   important that it is a real story it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:09   the real story that right v received in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:13   his cell that he didn't just manufacture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:16   it for v's benefit that's also vitally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:19   important I don't know if that matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   and i think that's part of it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:22   middle of story is that he does tell EV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:28   first of all these names are pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   dead giveaway that like none of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:33   vite lzv the valerie no was was real and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:39   destroy Israel and it wasn't fabricated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   but doesn't matter that like all I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   thinking is to tell it using using light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   has to tell the truth is literally a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:51   theme of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:52   yeah but if it wasn't true that really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:55   think that would have sunk us visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:58   and this day the testing open to the um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:02   I am I am open to the idea that v is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:05   Valley and that she didn't die in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   and it she went on to become v well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   either either way that I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:11   argument of a lark hill is that I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   like as much as V is a I mean he's many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:17   things here if he is a revolutionary the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   is a victim v is a superhero kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:25   because he basically gets powers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   I mean there is Alan Moore is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:30   commenting on some of the and using some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   of the tropes of superheroes in this not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:35   superhero comic that way but one thing v [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:39   is also is V is the only survivor of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:43   program that killed everybody else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   he wears his guilt of being the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:48   survivor and his responsibility for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   everyone who didn't survive as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:53   person who speaks for them whether he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   representing Valerie or not he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:59   it mean he he he could be Valerie or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   cannot be Valerie guy based on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   theory but it doesn't matter because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:04   represents her I think he stopped being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   a person and he started being V and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:09   he admit as much yeah yeah yeah he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12   your right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13   yeah the the valerie segment is is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   fantastic think about also when we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17   Eevee reading the story and in the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   we think the chain goes Valerie to EV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:23   that Valerie is inspiring EV perhaps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   do something you know it better and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   that decision what we learned later is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   that the chain actually goes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:31   Valerie 2v2 EV because my galleries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:34   letter inspired v he's the one who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37   first inspired by it so that changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   longer she and he's replaying it for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   because he basically wants to make her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:43   yeah yeah in all the parallels of V + DV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:46   name aside that is my favorite moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:49   because a valerie comes in at the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   bleak moment in the movie interleaf so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:55   perfectly to give a little bit of levity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:56   and beauty in the middle of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   extremely dark bleak terrible torture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   scene and they they try that in watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   the details the black freighter it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:05   failed miserably but it works really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   well here and then I i have so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:10   problems with EV and v's relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:13   but where the parallels between the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:16   of them and the moment when he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:20   outside and finally evolved into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   Vaporeon in the rain that woman to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   back and forth with love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:29   uncomfortable that very very blatantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:34   obvious moment come back and forth with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   the rising from the flames gives the EV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   something that she didn't have before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   but I don't think it comes to as full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   a point as these artists at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   movie they have been completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:48   different arcs and I've problem with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   love that she has for him but Evie at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   least has some kind of different art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   based on her rise to power in the rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:57   the movie tree TV better than the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   does oh yeah that's the plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   the book is it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   the book just bothers me so much it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:07   cult programming that the subjects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10   trapped and in fact you could argue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   the way she's introduced in a movie soft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   petals this to it's very much like v [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:17   plucked a teen prostitute off the street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   because she had her life was essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   worthless and she wouldn't be missed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   order to program her to be what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:24   wanted her to be mean that is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   some of that again is the structures in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   the movie but in the book it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   that's what it is right if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   the chow skis were generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   like you can go into balance and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   are a few things their rates pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:37   freaking high on the feminist meter oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   yeah you know they tweaked a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   yeah they did turn her from me no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   prostitute with someone that works at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:48   TV station absolutely important royal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   you know she has agency all the way all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   the way through so i just feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   is a good point to take a beat and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   in the goal of feminist critique of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:01   media isn't saying you can't have things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04   happened women that are abysmal like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06   its name saying you can't have rape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   scenes you know it's saying you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   think be more conscious about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13   choices that you make and I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   problem with anything that happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   even in this film even though it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   horrible because it's not trying to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:22   v is like a Disney hero he's not this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:27   a wildly complicated movie and I i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   think that that really feeds into right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   now and i'm gonna get a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   political i see people on the Left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   people I respect really bearing system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:39   some territory talk about violence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   towards people with different political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:45   views in a way that makes me wildly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   uncomfortable so I think this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:50   message at the core of it of the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   being turned into a monster of e [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   becoming someone who goes too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   I think that's a message that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   would do very well to hear today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   that's a really good point and also in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   the movie compared to the book the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06   Wachowskis give EV so much more agency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   on in the book VIII basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11   brainwashing sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12   yeah and she goes along and keeps doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15   her thing in the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   Evie actually leaves that she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20   come back into the end she she has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   she has been transformed by her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   experience she can take some strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   from it but it's also something that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   can't abide at least for now and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:33   leaves and she chooses to come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   later she gets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   it's a much stronger character i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   given the fact that we still got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   bones of the torturing her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:46   who's the hero of this movie so easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   even yeah definitely i agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   everything you said guy but i still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   massive problems with the gas lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:53   that V gives her in that know this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:56   your choice you're the one that wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:57   to stay because you didn't give up any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   information about me this was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   well Ivy to be perfectly frank I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:04   he's a bad guy didn't guy kills a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:07   the guy's a terrorist somebody knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   he's a monster he he doesn't and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   admits to being that the only good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   you did like i said previously is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:14   he let Eevee decide whether or not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:17   send that train there is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   interesting moment where and they it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:23   fascinating i I don't know if I noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   it before but i really noticed that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:26   time v hopes that when he reveals that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:30   it's him to EV that she will basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   love him for it and yet it because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:36   says he says as she's going through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   he's like I wonder if you might dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:40   with me like he says that he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   just say it went later when she comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   back and they dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:45   he says that right when she gets out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   she's she doesn't even respond to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   she's just like I am getting out of here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:50   and he's like yeah well that's yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   figured that you might but he but no he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   actually holds out hope that he will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:56   have like magically transform which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   think is interesting because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2218">TS</a>]

00:36:59   characters weakness is that he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   he believes things that are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   come out of what he did that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:05   completely unrealistic i think it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   thing that redeems this movie I because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:10   of that because of her reaction the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   that she's allowed to leave and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:13   somewhere else and take care of herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   and and just she just steps away and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:19   he doesn't help her or anything she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   finds her own way but that said I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   gives me a little pause only because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   structure of it is that we're supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   to think he's a hero and I know he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:30   around here but like it still gives me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:34   pause that this character that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35   kind of been rooting for does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   terrible thing also just replied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   practical standpoint the way the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   is shot all of the scenes where Eevee is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:44   being captured and tortured and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:47   you can't tell whether those people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:50   real or anything like that and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:54   there's that reveal I do kind of have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   very hard time with those scenes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   you know those are the shots that we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:02   but she's living at the whole time she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   has to be taken from room to room by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   people and sat down and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   and I don't really believe that one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   in a various with mannequins and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   masks could really pull that off is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:16   this makes sense because he's chinese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   cutting off your hair and stuff and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   clearly you know this is this is why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   think he's more of an idea i think she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   tortured by the idea of freedom in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   head candidates he has some interns who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:30   we never see but they are there to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   him with his in prison experiment maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   maybe also purchased a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   thousand-plus guy fawkes suits for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:39   entire yeah that there's some economic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:43   haha i accept the absurdity and D it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   not a literal movie it's a movie about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:49   ideas and when v is torturing her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   it's awful I it's also a movie and sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:58   is it is like he is telling the truth I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:01   think she's being tortured by an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   and you could argue argue in a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   like that where being tortured that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:06   all hallucinatory anyway right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:08   that that she doesn't have to make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   because who knows what she saw or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   she understood she may have it may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   not been that great an artifice but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   was so confused and messed up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:17   there's that chic believed that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   because that was the story she was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:21   told i can I kind of accept that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   that we're sort of seeing it through her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   is because we pause though cuz i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   really i mean he's good but is he that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   good a little late so I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   the first time I saw this movie and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34   really at the end when people start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:37   taking off the masks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:38   I sort of understood like this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   should not be taken literally literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   ran it should be taken as move almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:46   metaphorically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   yeah i just can't go that far yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50   know I know it's hard because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   watched it again just tonight and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   like this is he's a bad guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:57   it's hard yeah it's all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:58   quote-unquote hero is an awful person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   the story's all the TV every time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   watch this I waffle back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   between whether or not the ending works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:06   for me or doesn't work for me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   sometimes it just gets a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   close to magical realism with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:12   dead people coming back at the end but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   tonight it worked for me i thought i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   a sweet moment even though like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:17   celebrating a terrorist blowing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   Parliament it was a weird moment from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:20   yeah obviously nobody blow up Parliament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:23   but at the same time maybe maybe there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:26   a cause out there in the world you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:27   upset about having a giant rally is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:30   probably something you should think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:33   about well even like you know i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:34   say in America I have grown up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:37   always seeing these big crowds all by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:40   most recently but it's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:44   somewhere else it's always been outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   the US where you see crowds gathering in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   streets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:50   I mean I'm just I've never seen it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   where we've stood up on something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:55   actually taken to the streets it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   seems like it happened somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   this movie brings up a lot of ethical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:02   conflict right because i like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   people and thinking what the frak can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   do I am somebody's choosing to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   within the system right as much as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:11   and hope that that's how we can bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   about change but you know it takes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:17   kinds of young people know yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   advocate violence at all i think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22   the moment that we've really crossed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   line in America but I think like crowds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   going outside and demonstrating I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   this film is being really a reboot of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   kind of anger fantasy from like a white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:36   male libertarian dude and I see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   really turned into you from a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   clear cast our fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   a quitter set of riders and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   turned into a really modern story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:50   oppression systematic oppression so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:53   just think that it's it's a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:56   deep story about you what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:59   right now and i also have to say I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   part of that change is why there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:05   some of those reviewers that weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   pleased with this interpretation other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   because it's it's crossing this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:13   this made for them and they're casting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   it wider and that upsets people that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   really good point i'm not surprised that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   the v mask has been co-opted in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   that has yeah yeah yeah totally i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:25   question about the voltage these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:26   specific terrorist violence here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   i think it goes to what we were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   about v being a bad guy and we see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   torture EV and you know she's right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:35   basically take her life into her own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   hands at that point but you know bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   line is he blows up the old bailey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   he blows a parliament that beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   the end he has her hehe provides her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   with the opportunity to blow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   Parliament and I i think you know i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:50   of two minds about that were sometimes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:51   think that because vs is a difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:55   character and we're not supposed to root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   for everything he does that him him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   being violent like that is ok or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   this situation is perhaps so extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   that is what is required and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   part of me thinks I don't know if I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   to root for the people who were blowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   up buildings even if there is late at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   night and they have defended enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   words late at night and it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:15   nobody there and there are pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:16   fireworks and music to go yeah i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   obviously blowing up a federal building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   do not do that also do like that no i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:23   will not only really hate you for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   yeah yeah I'm the old Billy food those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:29   not familiar is sort of the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   courthouse in London it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   old-school old-school justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35   yeah that's where the statue on the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   but usually what that stands for ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   so in taking that out first in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   by the way target yeah he blows up he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   blows up he blows up to the Parliament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   at the beginning on on the 15 november [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:49   and then the last thing that gets blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   up is number ten Downing Street actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   at the very end so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   move that stuff around i think also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   smartly attitude that gets the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   bailey in the middle somewhere right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:00   guess I'm willing to give it a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   because it is a movie I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   literally calling for violence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   no he also tells him that he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   blow stuff up and he blows up the Bailey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:09   at midnight which is not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   I i like to think that he wasn't killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:13   people because we see him well she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:16   so anyway tax a TV station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:19   he'll he murders a lot of cops oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:22   but he doesn't murder all of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   civilians who just happened to know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   the guy with the ball is in his mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   right yeah he leaves that guy there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   know he'll try to think that the cops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   are gonna show the guy that shoot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:33   guys that are just as him but like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:37   got he's got some kind of restraint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   there are only really two major like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   action scenes where you get the quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   superhero effect at the end at it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:48   near his demise and when he begins his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:51   brigade at the TV station which I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:55   know in in watching it a couple times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   watched last week and I watched today it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   was really weird seeing the lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03   action after seeing so many Marvel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:07   DC movies since then like it was weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:11   to see a movie that was I i use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   very very tentatively but a cerebral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:18   movie that quote is superheroes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:21   there's a lot of action like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:22   30 minutes and then it really shifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   gears and there isn't a lot until later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   yeah I think of it as more of a dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   movie than an action movie yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   definitely I feel like the Cherokees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   know that people buy tickets to go see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35   action so that you know you get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:39   action but this was not an action movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   it you know who's got the incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   personal violence of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   high-profile deaths in the middle where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   v comes in almost like a suspense horror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   movie at times and it offers a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:53   people one by one in very tense ways and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   it's not the kind of impersonal James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   Bond adventures violence were used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   that comes at the beginning and the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:00   but there's still a lot there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   middle know when he sits down with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   coroner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:05   and daughters i love that Delilah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   Delilah that scene is probably one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   favorites falls far short of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12   evaluations but man i love that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:16   that's right i'll be home ready in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   minutes ago while you sleep like would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21   be wrong to apologize now as he said he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:24   says no hehe provides her kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   kindness and you know that she you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28   she regrets as you want to hang yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:31   yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess I i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   struggle without for the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   um and there's some people there's a one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   of my favorite games his tomb raider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   right I it has some really grisly death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:43   scenes where Laura is killed and makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:46   lot of our players unhappy and you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   the same time every single person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   killed in that game as a guy i am always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:53   yes sorry it came out in 2013 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   I'm always a little hesitant it movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:59   that kind of pull their punches when and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   don't come to give women the same you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   don't treat women the same ways as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   men are treated if you look at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   throw in all of that you know they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:11   given a really violent bloody end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:15   you know she's treated a lot work with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:18   little bit more respect and maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:19   can read that like I think the generous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   reading is you see it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   interpretation of her characters having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   some remorse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:26   yeah about the things that she did like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   as evidence by her diary but why did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:31   they assign that wrote that motherly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   gold yeah character yeah why would she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   be the only one to show remorse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   that's good that's a real good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   what bothers me it bothers me a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   when you talk about the Wachowskis kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:42   of read altering this movie triggering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   this movie you close reading between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   comic in the movie you will probably see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:49   in many locations like changes they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   for these specific reasons but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:54   leaving the structure behind and I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:57   that's basically how I read it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58   movie is that look that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   character was a woman and she you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   and then they had that scene together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   and so they left it but i do think your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:06   you see the bones thereof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   Alan Moore's decisions in the eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   behind it right if you read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   it's very interesting because they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:14   way way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   Warren depth with her character she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   having like a romance with the the lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   detective who you know kind of chooses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:23   not to shoot TV at the end so she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26   much more complex character the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27   Wachowskis had in mind when they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:30   know adapted this film this book from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   their script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   I'm just saying that one little part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   bothers with the casting of bishop as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:39   basically molester [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   yeah we got it like it's a little longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:44   there is controlling your notes yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:46   that's right on the nose it's just too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:47   easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   well back in 80 back in 82 yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:51   it not so now it's like yeah we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:55   like that's a serious problem but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:59   but a second 82 made sense and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:02   again like judgments and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   well they just left it I think it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   of a funny weird creepy scene also since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:09   she's sort of like is saying the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   of like I've been held captive by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   terrorists and i love that she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   trying to escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:16   yeah but she wanted out in the comic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   know EV is young is very young I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:22   think she's 15 but she looks very young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   and in that seems they have her dress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   young and look young for the for the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:29   priest because he wants a girl little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   girl and they and they still say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   same line she's older than you're used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:35   to and all that they kept this with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:38   natalie portman and I guess they can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   away with it because they have her like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   with the with her hair up and the dress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   and all of that but still it's calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   really you know they give their best but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:49   it's like she I didn't believe it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   though it that was what the script and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   had them behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:54   I just don't believe it that she's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:55   really come across as a as a little girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:58   there because it's Natalie port but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   know I guess you go with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:01   I think that scene goes too far in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03   I'm sitting there cringing the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   time and it seemed that I think goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06   way too long and he gets in the way of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   really important character moment for ev [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   where she tries to escape but cans and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   then V is freaking out about the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:16   that she tried to out him and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:19   collected enough again until she's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:22   stephen Fry's house at that point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:23   completely forget what was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:24   this tonight was the only time I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27   seen the movie where i was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:28   actually piece together the dots that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   there when you see her escape you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   what was happening because I for one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   able to completely listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   dialogue and what was happening with EV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   rather than freaking the hell out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   this Bishop trying to get well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   one thing is troubling is that and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   is kind of common whenever you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   write and film a scene like this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50   you run the risk of titillating the east [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   on the thing that you're trying to damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   and like this was awkward it's like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57   they put in that we put them in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   weird integrated housing issue with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:02   then you lose the effect and why is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:03   going on so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   exactly yeah like yeah I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   revolting it's meant to be reporting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   worked on that level but that took me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:12   out like dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:13   it had I mean I don't know how to handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:17   this better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:18   well right because it's straight from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   the comic book yeah like yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   existing from the comic but i think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   to me what made this uncomfortable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   don't do it the film scripts it Natalie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   Portman has spoken out on so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   occasions how uncomfortable it is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:34   her as an actress that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   apparently people that have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39   particular thing are really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42   pictures of her when she was a child you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:45   know when she was younger actress so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   she's talked on the record many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:50   about how uncomfortable it makes her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   I'm like really the Wachowskis like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:54   they're going to put her in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:55   situation that's just I I wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   written that scene but I mean I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   makes that you know her betrayal of e i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   think is a I think it's a damning moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05   for her character too so ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   scene from her but I audience i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   it was good really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   yes yes it seemed before it and she says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   look I need you to understand AB&C about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   Maisie's kidnapped her and he's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:19   and you want to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:20   well I i see it like icv asking her to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   stay there for a year is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   reasonable thing like she will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   hunted and killed on the outside was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   just a fat right so i can only see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:33   yeah but he's being selfish right he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34   being selfish because she knows where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37   I think that's part of it yeah but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38   think it's it's just it's a plan overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:41   the I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:42   right and then she's she's talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   him she's like look I need you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   understand this about me and they killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:47   my parents you know they sent me to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50   center to reprogram me I want to help in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   any way I can't the way i read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   scene is it she chickens out in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57   moment like she was going to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   and help him and down fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   yeah I kind of just assumed that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   was your plan because she said like look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   I'm gonna help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05   everyone knowing that it would that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:09   would afford her an opportunity to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   out and get help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   oh yeah i don't know and i think it's i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   think you can read it either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   like when she decided to do that mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   is she really going into it all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   or is she sort of me because she's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   of stalling while he gets their sochi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:24   half-heartedly giving him this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:27   yeah this is all part of my not argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:30   but my thesis is a thesis I'm gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:33   a doctorate in this uh-huh it's here it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:36   is guys wacky theory my headcanon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:41   izzy is an idea this is her struggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:44   with accepting the idea all right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:46   okay look forward to your your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   thesis on this yeah yeah you should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:52   an English PhD and i write this but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   you have any record in a bunch of yarn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   to connect all pay a sum I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:59   things that we see in the movie don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   make sense so we cannot take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:03   so given we can take it literally why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:07   don't we just run with the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:08   haha i keep pushing back against this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11   guy because because the it is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:15   literal in the book in the source videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   in Vietnam it so so and I and I come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21   this from having read the book back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   DC published it in the u.s. so i can't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:27   can't not look at this as an adapter as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   an adaptation so that makes it much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:32   harder for me to look at it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:34   metaphorical story when in in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:38   source material it was intended to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   more more one-to-one I think honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:44   think you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:45   a gym at that thank you to leave it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   gonna be happy of thinking the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:48   thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:51   for me as someone who's never read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   book the fact that this movie is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56   metaphorical comes through in the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:59   end when how are we supposed to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:00   we're happy that the apartments blown up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   we feel emotions about Evie saying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:07   that's why i love this man and the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:10   that they added that love story in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:13   Evie's arc is about that coming to love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   this man instead of the idea because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   keeps saying I it's not the idea i miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   it's the man it's the man that is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   makes me feel like this movie is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   more metaphorical than the book because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:27   the ending beats really don't work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   me I i have to say if you read as a love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   story i could not a groove to love me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:34   don't read as a love story but she says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:37   that she loves the man in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   in the same way that ties back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   same the cell with the gay woman like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   she's talking about how like I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45   though i may not know your whole tree or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   kiss you I want you to know i love you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   just as a person and I think it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   mirroring the exact same idea out its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:55   respect like this is v's arc she starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:58   to someone who's beaten down her parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   were taken from her like well she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01   hiding under the bed she sent to a camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   the reprograms her then she goes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06   becomes part of this medium machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   helps misinform the entire public she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   was instrumental v captures our tortures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:13   her changes her she has entire arc is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16   character she reaches inside her she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   finds strength she didn't know she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   and then like she's the one that flips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:22   the switch again and she loves be as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:26   person in that same it's not like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   still has she still very guarded in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:32   those scenes you can see her keeping her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   distance is just more respect I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:36   yeah I don't she'll of yours either last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   line is very clear she says he was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   mother and father and brother and Raven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   cheat meal is a lot of reading and thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   you mother is not one of them right did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:47   not what his role is to I I could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   done without the kids on the mask i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   to say i could have done it because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   is everything was bad yeah I did write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   down the line that we was just talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:00   about because I was crying so I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:05   down even though i do not know you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   even though I may never meet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   laughs with you cry with you or kiss you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   I love you with all my heart and let him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   that is to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:15   probably the court moment of the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:18   yes absolutely and and it's and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   lifted straight from alan moore script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   yeah yeah I you we speaking of the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:26   of the movie if it and this is where i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:29   could buy into a certain standard of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   guy English theory the the are the army [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:35   of marchers in their newly FedExed guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:40   fawkes masks and outfits and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   ending with this sort of this triumphant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   march of the pickup of the people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   even before that throughout this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   every time you see civilians watching TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:53   are watching watching Stephen Fry's show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:56   watching the watching political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3476">TS</a>]

00:58:00   statements in the propaganda on TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:01   the people are not buying it the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:04   are enjoying laughing at subtler I I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:08   the feeling that this movie expect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:12   has a very very optimistic sense of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:15   people living under fascism actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   react to it seems like everybody's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   good person who's just being who's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:22   held down by the man when you get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:26   there in the early going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:27   you do get these speech about a accusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:32   the population of having let this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   having this chosen but i think it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   undermined by the whole rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   movie and I'm maybe I'm just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:43   really cynical and discouraged about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:44   current politics but I that's it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:50   an awful lot of people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   apparently who apparently never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:56   voted for Norris fire and a parent will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   be never really wanted what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   and I just don't buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   wow thats dark chip no user and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   are canada's our time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:06   well I do like the way the truth the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:08   people are treated there is a scene very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:09   early on where we see all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   when he takes over the TV station we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   all the people who are watching in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   like in the pub and everywhere the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:18   family at home they're watching and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:21   scene is replayed at the end when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:24   they're trying to get everybody to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:28   worry about Vee and and nobody in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:32   those locations there's nobody there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:35   that's because everybody is marching and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   I like i did my favorite moment like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   those to cut and you know you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   have to be paying attention is like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   are they showing that the TV and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   empty bar and it's because that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:46   all the people used to be and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:47   not there anymore because now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   out marching I I like that part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   but yeah I can see your point chip which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:52   is you know it is it is it their fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   or not or is it beyond that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   like look at some point you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:58   stand up and they didn't stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   stand up and they didn't stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   d'Epinay allowed the the country to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   to this point but within their fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:03   about the attacks and all that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   they're not allowing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:06   they crystallise around this idea of v2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:09   not allow it to go on on any further I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   mean it is kind of fantasy like Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   but yeah it was yeah it's very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:16   fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:16   yeah that's why I think he's an idea if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   you do see you to see flashes a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   population in here like remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   scene in the BBC station with the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:25   watching laser laughs like keys hell yea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   dressings added just to watch the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   there to out that don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:32   yeah you see it in like the the nursing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   home shots of them reacting to vtv we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   just kind of like what I don't gather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   and yes finches role like Finch is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:43   guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:44   yeah that's apart an inner party member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47   and who is is seeing this all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:51   things lining up and like do I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53   want to ask these questions if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:56   if God's there to protect me if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   country's there to protect me then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3658">TS</a>]

01:00:59   should you know what i do i really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:02   to know if they they're the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:03   are actually hurting me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:04   we haven't mentioned Steven Reyes pinch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   but yea he's the he's got a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:07   fantastic he's got to investigate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   is with his friend of Rupert graves who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   is a of course from from Sherlock you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:15   know he was always a cop asshole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   they they seem array in the end you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   he keeps following his instincts as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:22   cop back to what happened at lark hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:26   and he's told several times not to he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29   threatened he says I've been a member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:30   this party for 20 years but he keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   following this he says 22 Rupert graves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35   uh you know how far are we willing to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38   here because you know he realizes just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:41   what he's doing up here and again i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:44   would say in a more conventional movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45   structure this would this be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   he's essentially like the crusading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:49   reporter kind of character digging up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52   the real truth and it's it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   it's a less a part of the story then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   maybe it might have been in a another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   movie but he is the he does represent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   like a good person who wants to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:04   right thing here even though he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:05   party member and he's in this government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   he is following the truth and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   he let Stevie you know he doesn't he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:13   doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:13   shoot her he doesn't stop her he lets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   her go I did hate the montage know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:18   the date the explanation so yeah where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:22   see I'm i went over to lark hill and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24   then I see the future blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   that felt like compression I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:29   good with it gives otherwise I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:30   know how we would have strong little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32   things together you need some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   either you need a character that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   need to explain it to or you needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   get some kind of trip like that I i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:42   saw his pure or Chomsky like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44   metaphysical months that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:45   synthetic people enjoyed the make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   people out the dead sensate and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:51   like they are all in on that the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53   people Cloud Atlas i get these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:56   people that have this idea that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   all connected and there are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3778">TS</a>]

01:02:59   coincidences and we're living this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   thing's the same story over and over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   over again that's there that's your teal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   if he wanted to one of their films like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08   you better get ready for it so yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   was I was I was just their creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   wonder last yeah that's what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   about non-literal is just like stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   thinking just go for it like enjoy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   get what you can out of it it will begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   I want to say a word about Stephen Fry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:26   because it's the uncomfortable we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:27   to talk about Stephen Fry it's days even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:30   tries to drive peers in this movie as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   Dietrich and he's I you know I enjoy his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:36   he's really got one major spot he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:39   two major sins i guess i enjoy the scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:40   where he goes to his house and he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:44   honest with her but also sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:47   letting her letting her figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:50   everything out and so she she makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:54   assumptions because she was sent in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:55   beginning of the movie she's going over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   to his house because he's a TV star and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   all that and she's going to sleep with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   him but he he he shows he shows kindness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:05   to her and then he shows her his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   collection of banned books and he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   a Koran and he's got he's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   generate art that I think they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:13   that is a direct reference to the Nazi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:16   policies about art it is it is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:19   he has the he has literally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   degenerate art collection it behind his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:24   secret door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:24   also i love a secret door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26   he's got he's got the secret door you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:28   gotta have that in anyhow I wish I my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30   house at a secret door and and she sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:33   the she sees the photos on the back wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   and that's the moment where she kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36   puts it together and he's just I i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:39   how his dialogue in there is also really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   subtle he's like you know i'm not i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   not the kind of person who you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45   would prefer that sort of thing but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:47   need to be seen having in women over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:49   my house and she's like oh and then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:50   then she put together it's just I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   know he's not in the movie very long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:55   I I find a lot of sympathy for him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:58   that in that moment the way he plays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:00   I think a lot of that is this is stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02   fry me the script is good for him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:04   even a lot of that is just that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   the likability and kind of melancholy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   stephen fry you know ya solid movie you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:11   know Mississippi right leg goes out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:14   when this car was in 2005 profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:17   yeah so you know there are a lot of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:19   Mississippi is not a state that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   awesome to gay people right so I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   this movie in Oxford Mississippi and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   there are a lot of your closeted gay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:29   older people in that town so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:33   when he's having that monologue about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:35   how you eventually the mask you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:38   becomes the person that you are like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:40   knew people in Oxford Mississippi that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:44   like grew up and had a family and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:47   children and were absolutely gay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:50   just like completely hid it so I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:53   know I thought that whole thing was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:55   more powerful part in a movie to me yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:58   and it's the one part it's the one part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00   of the movie that has no analog in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:03   original this is complete is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   original from the Wachowskis the Gordon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:09   Gordon Dietrich stuff the the hidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:11   Korean all this of you guess the closest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:15   to it is that EV hooks up with a with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:19   with with a sort of a gangster type in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21   the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:22   this is this is completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:25   this is completely new uh and and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:29   one of my favorite parts in the movie I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:30   I like the use of fri here a lot if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:34   that if the use of John Hurt is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:37   screen is a 1984 reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:40   I feel I got some fahrenheit 451 coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:43   from this is the trove of banned books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   it's not just that he has both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   banned books and the art but that that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:51   I felt like that was you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   what they were going for with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:55   don't love the successive scene with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:58   Stephen Fry where he puts on the comedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   sketch with John heard plant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   impersonating himself only because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:05   don't know it makes it makes Dietrich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:07   seem a little bit dumb because he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:10   basically is he believes that they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:14   just slap him on the wrist and he tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:15   that to his agent i kind of don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   believe me naive I I that he would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   gotten to the point in his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   I could see it as I'm gonna do this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   they can do what they want to me i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25   gonna make a stand but that's not how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:27   was portrayed he's portrayed as naive as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:29   like oh come on the slap me on the wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   of my ratings are too good and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:33   then they dragged him away and I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34   that I don't like as much I blamed v [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37   directly to that because right before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:42   see the same when he gets dragged away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:43   we are with pretty and those guys as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:48   they get yelled at to take direct action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:51   about citizens putting V and it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:55   it's like it's right after that beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:58   this comes out and it's a stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:02   reaction egg is he overplayed his hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   definitely in the old days could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:08   gotten away with it maybe but political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:12   calculus has changed drag his doody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:15   on the scene that that was my read on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:17   instead like yeah he's naive because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:20   doesn't really understand the impacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22   he has been having he brought the stakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   up to a level that no one was willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26   play you can't just play with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:29   establishment exactly they can't ignore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:32   I employee to just watch this movie with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:35   an open mind and a good heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   yeah I am truly mystified why anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   would not like this movie like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   it's by far the strongest work the witch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:44   house tues have ever done and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   probably my third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48   fourth favorite film I am utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50   mystified the only reason come up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:53   that is comic book great comic book guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   rage about it or maybe some matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   matrix let down or something I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:59   worry you know how do you remember I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:01   never win it netflix dvds that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:04   long time ago now but when definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:05   that did the dvds and one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   you would do is you would rate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:08   movies as you watch them because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   would recommend new dvds to get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12   netflix i remember this when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14   watching at this time netflix the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   movie in my entire time on netflix that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:19   I gave 5 stars2 was befriended up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:22   only 1i gave 5 stars2 of all the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:26   i watched in that whatever five-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:27   span it is i think it is a spectacularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:30   good movie and I do think I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   maybe it's it's a comic book movie like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:36   alan moore adaptation like it leave was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:39   League of Extraordinary Gentlemen before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:40   this Robin there's there's there's maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:43   there's reasons there or maybe it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   that after the matrix and the sequel's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:47   people were kinda down on the Wachowskis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:50   I don't know but I I because i do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   it's brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:53   you know this movie has legs pics in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   30-40 years from now guess what its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:58   gonna be valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4198">TS</a>]

01:09:59   yeah I've got my quibbles with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:01   politics i think that some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   politics of the movie or simplified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   compared to the comic book but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06   character are we are stronger i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09   hard-pressed to safe which I like better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   because the beach movie has different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:13   flaws but the story and the concept of V [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:16   for Vendetta is powerful and i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:20   think the world's better for having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   as part of the cannon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:23   I'm looking across the room right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:24   I've got into poster up on the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   this is the only witch house key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   property i have any real affinity for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   like the matrix by was never a fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:32   you know the entire series one thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:35   want to say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:37   there you go I one thing I do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:39   say I appreciate the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:40   invented bullet time in the matrix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:43   now they've got a nice time at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44   of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   man I thought that was cool but know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:50   this movie I wrote it off because I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:53   it for the first time you over 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:54   ago when it first came out and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   intervening time I kind of wrote it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   as like a movie i like to know as a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:00   especially because again the v mask has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   been co-opted has something else and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:04   had a hard time separating that meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:06   from the movie and rewatching again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08   tonight I'd don't know how I could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:10   felt that I really really did enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:11   especially now not to get political yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   this if you really love this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:16   the audiobook i got five dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   inaudible and listen to it like 20 times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   it's it's it's a real expansion of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:23   entire movie so if you like that gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:26   go and if you're coming for comic reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:29   and you haven't bagged it is not the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:31   is super dense i mean we've talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:32   a lot of alan moore on this podcast over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   the years and the fact is he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:37   challenging writer and he is there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   lot of reward to be gotten out of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   I think although it is politically very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43   different and I mean yeah I i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   the movie is a is simplified but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:48   also very different kind of political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:49   stance but I think it's worth reading I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:51   was glad i read it is not the first alan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:55   moore i would point somebody to but as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:57   kind of bracketing watchman I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4317">TS</a>]

01:12:00   really interesting and and if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   seen the movie i think it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:04   fascinating to go back and see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:06   adaptation choices were because it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:08   very different working a lot of ways and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:10   yet some of the scenes are perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:14   faithfully rendered it's a fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:16   combination of being faithful two parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:19   but making a different hole so I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:23   know I definitely recommend going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   to to the book if you are so inclined as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:28   concrete it's certainly an easier alan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:30   moore book to read then say Prometheus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:33   yeah I knew you were gonna say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:34   alright let's wrap it up thank you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   everybody for being here this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:39   awesome i'm so glad I had this on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:40   list for a few years as a favorite movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   and I thought this might be a good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   no no no reason to talk about a brown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:47   blue thank you so much for being on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:48   tonight yeah if you like the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   we're talking about here look at my race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   for Congress maybe consider donating all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54   right look look at that everybody wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   here yeah chips under thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:58   I see no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4378">TS</a>]

01:12:59   that v for vendetta should ever be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   forgot brian hamilton where do i donate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:04   to your campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:05   I don't have one but i do have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   our powers of observation have served as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09   well almost like most thank you so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11   for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:12   smash the state and God and guy English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:18   here's your PhD in theology I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:21   how the meaning of words began to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:24   another value equal alright well gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   skip the whole movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:27   listen to every word that Valerie says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:28   you get you got it and thanks everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:32   out there for listening to this edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:33   of the couple we will see you next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:36   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:50   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYNob_U/4430">TS</a>]